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Good morning,

I support publication for the draft defined here:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05.

Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in place
(see Cross-Account Protection <https://developers.google.com/identity/risc>
).

Regards,
Meera

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Good morning,</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I =
support publication for the draft defined here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05">https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05</a>.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div>Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in=
 place (see <a href=3D"https://developers.google.com/identity/risc">Cross-A=
ccount Protection</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Meera</=
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+1, I would like to see this draft published.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi <mhejmadi=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> I support publication for the draft defined here:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05.
>
> Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in place
> (see Cross-Account Protection
> <https://developers.google.com/identity/risc>).
>
> Regards,
> Meera
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<div dir=3D"ltr">+1, I would like to see this draft published.<br></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, A=
pr 3, 2019 at 9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi &lt;mhejmadi=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40goog=
le.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Goo=
d morning,</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I support publication for t=
he draft defined here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie=
tf-secevent-http-push-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05</a>.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv>Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in place =
(see <a href=3D"https://developers.google.com/identity/risc" target=3D"_bla=
nk">Cross-Account Protection</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><=
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+2, some really great work went into the spec and there are multiple
"running code" implementations in the wild.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 11:04 AM William Denniss <wdenniss=3D
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> +1, I would like to see this draft published.
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi <mhejmadi=3D
> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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>> Good morning,
>>
>> I support publication for the draft defined here:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05.
>>
>> Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in place
>> (see Cross-Account Protection
>> <https://developers.google.com/identity/risc>).
>>
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>> Meera
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<div dir=3D"ltr">+2, some really great work went into the spec and there ar=
e multiple &quot;running code&quot; implementations in the wild.=C2=A0<br><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 11:04 AM William Denniss &lt;wdenniss=3D<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote=
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8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">+1, I would like to see this draft published.<br></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at =
9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi &lt;mhejmadi=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40google.com@dmarc.i=
etf.org" target=3D"_blank">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
>Good morning,</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I support publication f=
or the draft defined here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf=
t-ietf-secevent-http-push-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05</a>.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div>Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in pl=
ace (see <a href=3D"https://developers.google.com/identity/risc" target=3D"=
_blank">Cross-Account Protection</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</d=
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Yes, we have a growing number of implementers of this spec due to their
integration with Google. Adobe, Yelp and more in the pipeline.

It would be very counterproductive to have another pattern emerge and have
these implementations be incompatible.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:43 PM Luke Camery <lcamery=3D
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> +2, some really great work went into the spec and there are multiple
> "running code" implementations in the wild.
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 11:04 AM William Denniss <wdenniss=3D
> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> +1, I would like to see this draft published.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi <mhejmadi=3D
>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I support publication for the draft defined here:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in place
>>> (see Cross-Account Protection
>>> <https://developers.google.com/identity/risc>).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Meera
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Id-event mailing list
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, we have a growing number of implementers of this spec=
 due to their integration with Google. Adobe, Yelp and more in the pipeline=
.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It would be very counterproductive to have anoth=
er pattern emerge and have these implementations be incompatible.=C2=A0</di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:43 PM Luke Camery &lt;lcamery=3D<a href=3D"mailt=
o:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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+2, some really great work went into the spec and there are multiple &quot;=
running code&quot; implementations in the wild.=C2=A0<br></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 201=
9 at 11:04 AM William Denniss &lt;wdenniss=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40google.com=
@dmarc.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">+1, I would like to see this draft published.<br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 =
at 9:09 AM Meera Hejmadi &lt;mhejmadi=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40google.com@dmar=
c.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>Good morning,</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I support publicatio=
n for the draft defined here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05</a>.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div>Furthermore, Google has an implementation of this spec already in=
 place (see <a href=3D"https://developers.google.com/identity/risc" target=
=3D"_blank">Cross-Account Protection</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards=
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Mark: thanks for the review and feedback

Annabelle: have you had a chance to review the feedback?

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:55 AM Mark Dobrinic <mark.dobrinic@curity.io>
wrote:

> Hi id-event,
>
> Read through draft 05, and here's some of my findings. With the
> disclaimer that I am not fully aware of the historical discussions that
> led to this draft.
>
> - Section 2.0 mentions: "Once a SET has been validated and persisted,
> the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response ..."; there's a
> bit of a gap on what to do when the SET was validated but failed to
> persist. The errors don't (and probably shouldn't?) cover this, as this
> might be considered business logic on the recipient's part? Section 2.2
> talks about "appropriate retention requirements", which is nicely
> formulated. This type of wording might be also snuck in to the language
> of section 2.0's paragraph ("Once the SET has been validated and
> persisted ..")
>
> - Is the `description` field in the error response REQUIRED?
>
> - Is there a reason why the `authentication_failed` failure response
> should not return a HTTP/401 Unauthorized HTTP status code?
>
> - Section 5.1 talks about the SET Issuer being authorized to deliver the
> SET; should this not be the SET Transmitter?
>
> - Section 5.4 on authenticating persisted SETs; Not sure if I understood
> this correctly, but if a SET Transmitter can send a SET that was issued
> by a different SET Issuer, how would the signature verification key be
> resolved to authenticate the SET? 5.4 talks about the SET *Transmitter*
> signing the SET, should this not be the SET *Issuer*? Or is this out of
> scope?
>
> Nitpicks:
> - The sentence above the examples (e.g. in section 2.2) should always
> end with a colon ':' ("The following is ... a SET:"), or end with a
> period '.'. Don't care which, but looks nicer if it's the same
> everywhere. I think only 2.2 falls out of line.
>
> - The text above Figure 5 says "SET Receiver", should be "SET Recipient"
>
> Hope this helps to wrap it up to publication :)
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mark Dobrinic
> Software Engineer and Identity Specialist
> Curity AB
>
> mark.dobrinic@curity.io
> www.curity.io
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mark: thanks for the review and feedback<div><br></div><di=
v>Annabelle: have you had a chance to review the feedback?</div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar=
 27, 2019 at 3:55 AM Mark Dobrinic &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark.dobrinic@curi=
ty.io">mark.dobrinic@curity.io</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi id-event,<br>
<br>
Read through draft 05, and here&#39;s some of my findings. With the<br>
disclaimer that I am not fully aware of the historical discussions that<br>
led to this draft.<br>
<br>
- Section 2.0 mentions: &quot;Once a SET has been validated and persisted,<=
br>
the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response ...&quot;; there&#39=
;s a<br>
bit of a gap on what to do when the SET was validated but failed to<br>
persist. The errors don&#39;t (and probably shouldn&#39;t?) cover this, as =
this<br>
might be considered business logic on the recipient&#39;s part? Section 2.2=
<br>
talks about &quot;appropriate retention requirements&quot;, which is nicely=
<br>
formulated. This type of wording might be also snuck in to the language<br>
of section 2.0&#39;s paragraph (&quot;Once the SET has been validated and<b=
r>
persisted ..&quot;)<br>
<br>
- Is the `description` field in the error response REQUIRED?<br>
<br>
- Is there a reason why the `authentication_failed` failure response<br>
should not return a HTTP/401 Unauthorized HTTP status code?<br>
<br>
- Section 5.1 talks about the SET Issuer being authorized to deliver the<br=
>
SET; should this not be the SET Transmitter?<br>
<br>
- Section 5.4 on authenticating persisted SETs; Not sure if I understood<br=
>
this correctly, but if a SET Transmitter can send a SET that was issued<br>
by a different SET Issuer, how would the signature verification key be<br>
resolved to authenticate the SET? 5.4 talks about the SET *Transmitter*<br>
signing the SET, should this not be the SET *Issuer*? Or is this out of<br>
scope?<br>
<br>
Nitpicks:<br>
- The sentence above the examples (e.g. in section 2.2) should always<br>
end with a colon &#39;:&#39; (&quot;The following is ... a SET:&quot;), or =
end with a<br>
period &#39;.&#39;. Don&#39;t care which, but looks nicer if it&#39;s the s=
ame<br>
everywhere. I think only 2.2 falls out of line.<br>
<br>
- The text above Figure 5 says &quot;SET Receiver&quot;, should be &quot;SE=
T Recipient&quot;<br>
<br>
Hope this helps to wrap it up to publication :)<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Mark Dobrinic<br>
Software Engineer and Identity Specialist<br>
Curity AB<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:mark.dobrinic@curity.io" target=3D"_blank">mark.dobrinic@=
curity.io</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.curity.io" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.c=
urity.io</a><br>
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Besides addressing the mainly editorial feedback from Mark (thanks!), it
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Great news!

I can also look at Mark's feedback and propose a PR over the weekend.

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That would be great Marius, thanks!

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> Great news!
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> I can also look at Mark's feedback and propose a PR over the weekend.
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>>
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>> looks like we have gotten rough consensus for Last Call of
>> draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 as a number of additional people have
>> posted +1s.
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Marius, while you are at it, please update the JSON normative reference 
from RFC 7159 to RFC 8259 (this is flagged by the ID Nits tool).

Thanks,
	Yaron

On 12/04/2019 0:54, Dick Hardt wrote:
> That would be great Marius, thanks!
> 
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Marius Scurtescu 
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>     Great news!
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>     I can also look at Mark's feedback and propose a PR over the weekend.
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>         Hello WG
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>         Besides addressing the mainly editorial feedback from Mark
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    <p>There's always one more nit...</p>
    <ul>
      <li>1.1: this documents -&gt; this document</li>
      <li>2: i.e., return an "access_denied" error response -&gt; i.e.,
        return an error response such as "access_denied" [because
        rejection can result in other responses]</li>
      <li>2.3: detects an error parsing or validating a SET transmitted
        in a SET Transmission Request -&gt; detects an error parsing,
        validating or authenticating a SET transmitted in a SET
        Transmission Request [because all later examples use status code
        400 for this rather than 401, and this is an important enough
        case to be stated  normatively].</li>
      <li>5.2: PII: expand the acronym.</li>
      <li>5.4: "then the SET Transmitter SHOULD sign the SET in
        accordance with [RFC7515] and/or encrypt it using authenticated
        encryption in accordance with [RFC7516]." The second half of
        this sentence is incorrect. JWE with RSA (encrypted to the
        Recipient) and AES-GCM does NOT authenticate the Transmitter. It
        ensures message integrity but not authenticity.</li>
      <li>7.1.1: error_code: please review again the ASCII ranges, or
        better yet, spell out the allowed characters. For example, 0x20
        is "space" which we probably don't want.</li>
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Will do.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:34 AM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Marius, while you are at it, please update the JSON normative reference
> from RFC 7159 to RFC 8259 (this is flagged by the ID Nits tool).
>
> Thanks,
>         Yaron
>
> On 12/04/2019 0:54, Dick Hardt wrote:
> > That would be great Marius, thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Marius Scurtescu
> > <marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com <mailto:marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     Great news!
> >
> >     I can also look at Mark's feedback and propose a PR over the weekend.
> >
> >     On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:32 PM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hello WG
> >
> >         Besides addressing the mainly editorial feedback from Mark
> >         (thanks!), it looks like we have gotten rough consensus for Last
> >         Call of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05 as a number of
> >         additional people have posted +1s.
> >
> >         Yaron has graciously volunteered to be the Document Shepherd.
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"auto">Will do.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:34 AM Yaron Sheffer &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Marius, while you are at it, plea=
se update the JSON normative reference <br>
from RFC 7159 to RFC 8259 (this is flagged by the ID Nits tool).<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yaron<br>
<br>
On 12/04/2019 0:54, Dick Hardt wrote:<br>
&gt; That would be great Marius, thanks!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Marius Scurtescu <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marius.scurtescu@coinbase.com" target=3D"_blank"=
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&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Great news!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can also look at Mark&#39;s feedback and propose =
a PR over the=C2=A0weekend.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:32 PM Dick Hardt &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">di=
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:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello WG<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Besides addressing the mainly editori=
al feedback from Mark<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(thanks!), it looks like we have gott=
en rough consensus for Last<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Call of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push=
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0additional people have posted=C2=A0+1=
s.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yaron has graciously volunteered to b=
e the Document Shepherd.<br>
&gt; <br>
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Thanks for the feedback Mark and for the suggested edits Annabelle.

I am incorporating the two suggested changes into a PR, along with other
feedback.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Richard Backman, Annabelle <richanna=3D
40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the review, Mark! [richanna]Responses inline[/richanna].
>
>
>
> --
>
> Annabelle Richard Backman
>
> AWS Identity
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Dick Hardt <
> dick.hardt@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 2:09 PM
> *To: *Mark Dobrinic <mark.dobrinic@curity.io>
> *Cc: *Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>, "Richard Backman, Annabelle"
> <richanna@amazon.com>, SecEvent <id-event@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Id-event] Review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05
>
>
>
> Mark: thanks for the review and feedback
>
>
>
> Annabelle: have you had a chance to review the feedback?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:55 AM Mark Dobrinic <mark.dobrinic@curity.io>
> wrote:
>
> Hi id-event,
>
> Read through draft 05, and here's some of my findings. With the
> disclaimer that I am not fully aware of the historical discussions that
> led to this draft.
>
> - Section 2.0 mentions: "Once a SET has been validated and persisted,
> the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response ..."; there's a
> bit of a gap on what to do when the SET was validated but failed to
> persist. The errors don't (and probably shouldn't?) cover this, as this
> might be considered business logic on the recipient's part? Section 2.2
> talks about "appropriate retention requirements", which is nicely
> formulated. This type of wording might be also snuck in to the language
> of section 2.0's paragraph ("Once the SET has been validated and
> persisted ..")
>
>
>
> [richanna]
>
> Persistence failures are no different from any other business logic
> failure on the SET Recipient side. In such cases the SET Recipient would
> return a 500, as allowed for by the first paragraph of 2.3:
>
>
>
> In the event of a general HTTP error condition, the SET Recipient
>
> SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP Status Code as defined in
>
> Section 6 of [RFC7231].
>
>
>
> The paragraph in 2.0 before the one you quote recommends the SET Recipien=
t
> persist the SET =E2=80=9Cin a way that is sufficient to meet [their] reli=
ability
> requirements=E2=80=9D. This seems to me to provide the same guidance as t=
he text in
> 2.2; do you feel that something is missing or unclear from that paragraph=
?
>
> [/richanna]
>
>
> - Is the `description` field in the error response REQUIRED?
>
>
>
> [richanna]
>
> Yes, both `err` and `description` are REQUIRED. The second paragraph of
> 2.3 contains the text:
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6the body [of the error response] MUST be a UTF-8 encoded JSON [R=
FC7159]
> object containing the following name/value pairs:
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6followed by the `err` and `description property definitions.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>
> - Is there a reason why the `authentication_failed` failure response
> should not return a HTTP/401 Unauthorized HTTP status code?
>
> [richanna]
>
> HTTP status 401 requires a WWW-Authenticate response header, which may or
> may not be appropriate depending on the authentication method(s) in use b=
y
> the SET Recipient.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>
>
> - Section 5.1 talks about the SET Issuer being authorized to deliver the
> SET; should this not be the SET Transmitter?
>
> [richanna]
>
> Yes, this should say =E2=80=9CSET Transmitter=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=
=9CSET Issuer=E2=80=9D.
>
> [/richanna]
>
>
> - Section 5.4 on authenticating persisted SETs; Not sure if I understood
> this correctly, but if a SET Transmitter can send a SET that was issued
> by a different SET Issuer, how would the signature verification key be
> resolved to authenticate the SET? 5.4 talks about the SET *Transmitter*
> signing the SET, should this not be the SET *Issuer*? Or is this out of
> scope?
>
> [richanna]
>
> Technically, it could be either, e.g., if the issuer issued an unsigned,
> unencrypted SET and provided it to the transmitter, the transmitter could
> encrypt the SET (creating a nested JWT), and that would address the
> concerns laid out in 5.4. But on re-reading 5.4, I think this requirement
> should be applied to the *SET Recipient*, as they are the party that has
> the downstream authentication requirements necessitating this behavior. T=
he
> last part of the last sentence of 5.4 should be changed to something like=
:
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6then the SET Recipient SHOULD ensure that such SETs have been si=
gned in
> accordance with RFC7515 and/or encrypted using authenticated encryption i=
n
> accordance with RFC7516.
>
>
>
> [/richanna]
>
>
> Nitpicks:
> - The sentence above the examples (e.g. in section 2.2) should always
> end with a colon ':' ("The following is ... a SET:"), or end with a
> period '.'. Don't care which, but looks nicer if it's the same
> everywhere. I think only 2.2 falls out of line.
>
> - The text above Figure 5 says "SET Receiver", should be "SET Recipient"
>
> Hope this helps to wrap it up to publication :)
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mark Dobrinic
> Software Engineer and Identity Specialist
> Curity AB
>
> mark.dobrinic@curity.io
> www.curity.io
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the feedback Mark and for the suggested edits A=
nnabelle.<div><br></div><div>I am incorporating the two suggested changes i=
nto a PR, along with other feedback.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM =
Richard Backman, Annabelle &lt;richanna=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40amazon.com@dm=
arc.ietf.org">40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for the review, Mark! <span style=3D"color:rg=
b(130,0,195)">[richanna]Responses inline[/richanna]</span>.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif">Annabelle Richard Backman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif">AWS Identity<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: =
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Id-event &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:id-event-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">id-event-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Dick Hardt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dick.hardt@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 2:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mark Dobrinic &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark.dobrinic@curity.io" tar=
get=3D"_blank">mark.dobrinic@curity.io</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>Yaron Sheffer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Richard Backman, Annabell=
e&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richanna@amazon.com" target=3D"_blank">richan=
na@amazon.com</a>&gt;, SecEvent &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:id-event@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Id-event] Review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-05<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mark: thanks for the review and feedback <u></u><u><=
/u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Annabelle: have you had a chance to review the feedb=
ack?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:55 AM Mark Dobrinic &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:mark.dobrinic@curity.io" target=3D"_blank">mark.dobrinic@cu=
rity.io</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi id-event,<br>
<br>
Read through draft 05, and here&#39;s some of my findings. With the<br>
disclaimer that I am not fully aware of the historical discussions that<br>
led to this draft.<br>
<br>
- Section 2.0 mentions: &quot;Once a SET has been validated and persisted,<=
br>
the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response ...&quot;; there&#39=
;s a<br>
bit of a gap on what to do when the SET was validated but failed to<br>
persist. The errors don&#39;t (and probably shouldn&#39;t?) cover this, as =
this<br>
might be considered business logic on the recipient&#39;s part? Section 2.2=
<br>
talks about &quot;appropriate retention requirements&quot;, which is nicely=
<br>
formulated. This type of wording might be also snuck in to the language<br>
of section 2.0&#39;s paragraph (&quot;Once the SET has been validated and<b=
r>
persisted ..&quot;)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[richanna]<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">Persistence fai=
lures are no different from any other business logic failure on the SET Rec=
ipient side. In such cases the SET Recipient would return a 500, as allowed=
 for by the first paragraph of 2.3:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(174,0,255)">In the event of a general HTTP error condition, the SET Recipi=
ent<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:11.55pt;text-indent:23.1pt"><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">SHOULD respond with an appropriate HTTP S=
tatus Code as defined in<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:34.65pt;text-indent:1.35pt"><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">Section 6 of [RFC7231].<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">The paragraph i=
n 2.0 before the one you quote recommends the SET Recipient persist the SET=
 =E2=80=9Cin a way that is sufficient to meet [their] reliability requireme=
nts=E2=80=9D. This seems to me to provide the same guidance
 as the text in 2.2; do you feel that something is missing or unclear from =
that paragraph?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[/richanna]<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
- Is the `description` field in the error response REQUIRED?<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[richanna]<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">Yes, both `err`=
 and `description` are REQUIRED. The second paragraph of 2.3 contains the t=
ext:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:22.5pt"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(174,0,255)">=E2=80=A6the body [of the error response] MUST be a UTF-8 enc=
oded JSON [RFC7159] object containing the following name/value pairs:<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:22.5pt"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">=E2=80=A6follow=
ed by the `err` and `description property definitions.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[/richanna]<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
- Is there a reason why the `authentication_failed` failure response<br>
should not return a HTTP/401 Unauthorized HTTP status code?<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[richanna]<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">HTTP status 401=
 requires a WWW-Authenticate response header, which may or may not be appro=
priate depending on the authentication method(s) in use by the SET Recipien=
t.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[/richanna]<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Section 5.1 talks about the SET Issuer being autho=
rized to deliver the<br>
SET; should this not be the SET Transmitter?<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[richanna]<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">Yes, this shoul=
d say =E2=80=9CSET Transmitter=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9CSET Issuer=E2=
=80=9D.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[/richanna]<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
- Section 5.4 on authenticating persisted SETs; Not sure if I understood<br=
>
this correctly, but if a SET Transmitter can send a SET that was issued<br>
by a different SET Issuer, how would the signature verification key be<br>
resolved to authenticate the SET? 5.4 talks about the SET *Transmitter*<br>
signing the SET, should this not be the SET *Issuer*? Or is this out of<br>
scope?<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[richanna]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">Technically, it=
 could be either, e.g., if the issuer issued an unsigned, unencrypted SET a=
nd provided it to the transmitter, the transmitter could encrypt the SET (c=
reating a nested JWT), and that would address
 the concerns laid out in 5.4. But on re-reading 5.4, I think this requirem=
ent should be applied to the *SET Recipient*, as they are the party that ha=
s the downstream authentication requirements necessitating this behavior. T=
he last part of the last sentence
 of 5.4 should be changed to something like:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.6pt"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(174,0,255)">=E2=80=A6then the SET Recipient SHOULD ensure that such SETs =
have been signed in accordance with RFC7515 and/or encrypted using authenti=
cated encryption in accordance with RFC7516.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.6pt"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(174,0,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(174,0,255)">[/richanna]<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Nitpicks:<br>
- The sentence above the examples (e.g. in section 2.2) should always<br>
end with a colon &#39;:&#39; (&quot;The following is ... a SET:&quot;), or =
end with a<br>
period &#39;.&#39;. Don&#39;t care which, but looks nicer if it&#39;s the s=
ame<br>
everywhere. I think only 2.2 falls out of line.<br>
<br>
- The text above Figure 5 says &quot;SET Receiver&quot;, should be &quot;SE=
T Recipient&quot;<br>
<br>
Hope this helps to wrap it up to publication :)<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Mark Dobrinic<br>
Software Engineer and Identity Specialist<br>
Curity AB<br>
<br>
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I captured all feedback here:
https://github.com/independentid/Identity-Events/pull/25

Please review and let me know if further edits are needed.

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> There's always one more nit...
>
>    - 1.1: this documents -> this document
>    - 2: i.e., return an "access_denied" error response -> i.e., return an
>    error response such as "access_denied" [because rejection can result in
>    other responses]
>    - 2.3: detects an error parsing or validating a SET transmitted in a
>    SET Transmission Request -> detects an error parsing, validating or
>    authenticating a SET transmitted in a SET Transmission Request [because all
>    later examples use status code 400 for this rather than 401, and this is an
>    important enough case to be stated  normatively].
>    - 5.2: PII: expand the acronym.
>    - 5.4: "then the SET Transmitter SHOULD sign the SET in accordance
>    with [RFC7515] and/or encrypt it using authenticated encryption in
>    accordance with [RFC7516]." The second half of this sentence is incorrect.
>    JWE with RSA (encrypted to the Recipient) and AES-GCM does NOT authenticate
>    the Transmitter. It ensures message integrity but not authenticity.
>    - 7.1.1: error_code: please review again the ASCII ranges, or better
>    yet, spell out the allowed characters. For example, 0x20 is "space" which
>    we probably don't want.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I captured all feedback here:<div><a href=3D"https://githu=
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ub.com/independentid/Identity-Events/pull/25</a><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Please review and let me know if further edits are needed.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Marius</div><div><br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 12, 20=
19 at 5:45 AM Yaron Sheffer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
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    <p>There&#39;s always one more nit...</p>
    <ul>
      <li>1.1: this documents -&gt; this document</li>
      <li>2: i.e., return an &quot;access_denied&quot; error response -&gt;=
 i.e.,
        return an error response such as &quot;access_denied&quot; [because
        rejection can result in other responses]</li>
      <li>2.3: detects an error parsing or validating a SET transmitted
        in a SET Transmission Request -&gt; detects an error parsing,
        validating or authenticating a SET transmitted in a SET
        Transmission Request [because all later examples use status code
        400 for this rather than 401, and this is an important enough
        case to be stated=C2=A0 normatively].</li>
      <li>5.2: PII: expand the acronym.</li>
      <li>5.4: &quot;then the SET Transmitter SHOULD sign the SET in
        accordance with [RFC7515] and/or encrypt it using authenticated
        encryption in accordance with [RFC7516].&quot; The second half of
        this sentence is incorrect. JWE with RSA (encrypted to the
        Recipient) and AES-GCM does NOT authenticate the Transmitter. It
        ensures message integrity but not authenticity.</li>
      <li>7.1.1: error_code: please review again the ASCII ranges, or
        better yet, spell out the allowed characters. For example, 0x20
        is &quot;space&quot; which we probably don&#39;t want.</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Thanks,</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yaron<br>
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Session Requester: Yaron Sheffer

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 50
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: saag dispatch oauth tokbind tls acme secdispatch cfrg
 Second Priority: ipsecme sacm ace rats



People who must be present:
  Yaron Sheffer
  Dick Hardt
  Benjamin Kaduk

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  
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