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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 01:45:49 -0000 I'm working on updates responding to the comments received. I expect to co= mplete a PR for Annabelle and anyone else interested to review tomorrow. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk =20 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:26 AM To: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@i= etf.org Cc: id-event@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] IETF LC comments on push and poll Hi all, The IETF LCs for push and poll have completed, getting a few directorate re= views and other comments. I'd like to have a sense of the plan for address= ing (or not) those comments in place before I move the documents into IESG = Evaluation (and, ideally, to have updated drafts, since the comments sugges= t some not-entirely-trivial changes). 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 04:59:09 -0000 Thanks! -Ben On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 01:45:26AM +0000, Mike Jones wrote: > I'm working on updates responding to the comments received. I expect to complete a PR for Annabelle and anyone else interested to review tomorrow. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:26 AM > To: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org > Cc: id-event@ietf.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] IETF LC comments on push and poll > > Hi all, > > The IETF LCs for push and poll have completed, getting a few directorate reviews and other comments. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 21:27:45 -0000 Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the review comme= nts received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on some of yours be= fore deciding what corresponding edits to make. I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the security mode= l. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel between two parti= es, it would be fine if the JTI values were totally guessable, such as "A",= "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity for an attacker to inject traffic i= nto or to listen to the stream. Does that make sense to you? As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a SET, I propos= e to add this text: Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under deployment-speci= fic conditions, such as if they have not been polled for over too long a period of ti= me or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain them. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert Sparks via D= atatracker Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM To: gen-art@ietf.org Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-even= t@ietf.org Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-pol= l-09 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review = Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for t= he IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call c= omments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review Date: 2020-05-08 IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider before publishi= ng as a Proposed Standard RFC This document is well-written and easy to follow. I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be considered thoug= h: This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where Recipients are not= well authenticated. See, for example, the first sentence of section 4.1. T= here is also an unstated expectation in the document that the jti of each S= ET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a malici= ous Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and the Transmitter will= remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from ever receiving that S= ET. If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base documents for the = jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If there's not, perhaps a s= hort discussion in the security considerations requiring this property woul= d be worthwhile? Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is required to = hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever seems unreasonable. _______________________________________________ Id-event mailing list Id-event@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event From nobody Thu Jun 4 14:51:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C783A0F9D; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RwFMmOAtTRML; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CAEA3A0F9B; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 054Lp3uh052015 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:51:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1591307464; bh=8CXTDiw1c+i5NHBr66yUHjYPiQnJiHdoQGe+DsA2YF4=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=r2Vf3rq3n+Ccx38TV2KT/h2IKQYqZWH5qMkSanTo09FS+OST2t+mfY28+h+RoZ3EK 7b+QKpzDdqMThAYPIjiVcY0MuDiayhYzSsFmdRp05Qk2UrbcNd6Wa092ow/ZXm14jf E4m4yiQhHI6FtCrjvRyFgU0xnQ2W25RyZ1pqpGjQ= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Mike Jones , "gen-art@ietf.org" Cc: "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:51:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 21:51:07 -0000 On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the review comments received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on some of yours before deciding what corresponding edits to make. > > I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the security model. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel Not always, and that's an important part of my point. See the first sentence of section 4.1: "   In scenarios where HTTP authorization or TLS mutual authentication    are not used or are considered weak, " > between two parties, it would be fine if the JTI values were totally guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity for an attacker to inject traffic into or to listen to the stream. Does that make sense to you? _If_ it were never possible for authorization to be weak or for TLS auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you call out at 4.1 exactly allows someone to be an attacker this way. > > As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a SET, I propose to add this text: > Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under deployment-specific conditions, > such as if they have not been polled for over too long a period of time > or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain them. That's better, but consider being a bit more specific about "too long". > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert Sparks via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review Date: 2020-05-08 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider before publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC > > This document is well-written and easy to follow. > > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be considered though: > > This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where Recipients are not well authenticated. See, for example, the first sentence of section 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in the document that the jti of each SET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a malicious Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and the Transmitter will remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from ever receiving that SET. > > If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base documents for the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If there's not, perhaps a short discussion in the security considerations requiring this property would be worthwhile? > > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is required to hold a given SET for a Recipient? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 02:07:50 -0000 I've created https://github.com/independentid/Identity-Events/pull/34 with = changes intended to address the directorate and IETF last call comments rec= eived. Annabelle, could you have a look and see if you'd like any tweaks t= o be made? I'll merge this and publish Friday afternoon if no feedback is received say= ing to do otherwise. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jones=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:45 PM To: Benjamin Kaduk ; draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org;= draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org Cc: id-event@ietf.org Subject: RE: IETF LC comments on push and poll I'm working on updates responding to the comments received. I expect to co= mplete a PR for Annabelle and anyone else interested to review tomorrow. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk =20 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:26 AM To: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@i= etf.org Cc: id-event@ietf.org Subject: IETF LC comments on push and poll Hi all, The IETF LCs for push and poll have completed, getting a few directorate re= views and other comments. I'd like to have a sense of the plan for address= ing (or not) those comments in place before I move the documents into IESG = Evaluation (and, ideally, to have updated drafts, since the comments sugges= t some not-entirely-trivial changes). 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[91.102.42.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p25sm62529qtj.18.2020.06.05.08.25.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Jun 2020 08:25:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 18:25:31 +0300 From: Yaron Sheffer To: Mike Jones , Robert Sparks , "gen-art@ietf.org" CC: "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:25:40 -0000 Hi Mike, I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll document. I can see = that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don't see any new (or e= xisting) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in your response to Robert. I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels= " that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe you meant something like= : If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels while being processed in= an otherwise protected system. Thanks, Yaron =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. My responses are inline, prefixed by "Mike= >". -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sparks =20 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM To: Mike Jones ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-= event@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-= http-poll-09 On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the review= comments received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on some of you= rs before deciding what corresponding edits to make. > > I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the securit= y=20 > model. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel Not always, and that's an important part of my point. See the first sentence of section 4.1: " In scenarios where HTTP authorization or TLS mutual authentication are not used or are considered weak, " Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing never seemed very clear or well m= otivated to me. It was written by an earlier editor who since stopped worki= ng on the spec. I'm going to just remove it and unambiguously require HTTPS= . > between two parties, it would be fine if the JTI values were totally = guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity for an attack= er to inject traffic into or to listen to the stream. Does that make sense = to you? _If_ it were never possible for authorization to be weak or for TLS aut= h to not be used, then sure. But the exception you call out at 4.1 exactly a= llows someone to be an attacker this way. > > As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a SET, I = propose to add this text: > Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under deploymen= t-specific conditions, > such as if they have not been polled for over too long a perio= d of time > or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain them. That's better, but consider being a bit more specific about "too long". Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I'm open to wording suggestions. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert Sparks= =20 > via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org;=20 > id-event@ietf.org > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of=20 > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area R= eview Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG = for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last ca= ll comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review Date: 2020-05-08 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider before=20 > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC > > This document is well-written and easy to follow. > > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be considered= though: > > This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where Recipients a= re not well authenticated. See, for example, the first sentence of section 4= .1. There is also an unstated expectation in the document that the jti of ea= ch SET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a mal= icious Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and the Transmitter wi= ll remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from ever receiving that = SET. > > If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base documents fo= r the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If there's not, perhap= s a short discussion in the security considerations requiring this property = would be worthwhile? > > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is requir= ed to hold a given SET for a Recipient? 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[91.102.42.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p44sm245524qta.12.2020.06.05.09.36.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Jun 2020 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 19:36:16 +0300 From: Yaron Sheffer To: Mike Jones , Robert Sparks , "gen-art@ietf.org" , Valery Smyslov CC: "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:36:24 -0000 Hi Mike, The document is very ambiguous regarding the use of TLS, and frankly I wish= we noticed it earlier. - The first sentence of Sec. 3 has TLS as one of two options: "The SET deli= very method described in this specification is based upon HTTP and HTTP over= TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication and authorization schemes= , as per [RFC7235]. " - Similarly in Sec. 4.3, TLS is mentioned as one alternative, not a require= ment: "In such cases, SET Transmitters and SET Recipients MUST protect the c= onfidentiality of the SET contents by encrypting the SET as described in JWE= [RFC7516], using a transport-layer security mechanism such as TLS, or both.= " - Sec. 4.4.1 (first sentence) also treats TLS as conditional. My personal opinion is that nowadays we can simply mandate TLS, but I'm ope= n to discuss it. Whatever the WG chooses, the document needs to be clear and= consistent. Thanks, Yaron =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 19:22, "Mike Jones" wrote: That TLS is used is specified in the first sentence of the introduction= at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-1. = It's also in the first paragraph of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= secevent-http-poll-09#section-3. The new privacy considerations text was requested by Valery Smyslov in = the SecDir review of push. I also added it here. I did think it was odd th= at it was requested when TLS is required, but it seemed harmless to add it. = If you like, I could clarify that this should never occur. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Yaron Sheffer =20 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 8:26 AM To: Mike Jones ; Robert Sparks ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-= event@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-= http-poll-09 Hi Mike, I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll document. I can = see that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don't see any new (= or existing) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in your response to Rober= t. I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted chan= nels" that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe you meant something = like: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels while being processe= d in an otherwise protected system. Thanks, Yaron =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. My responses are inline, prefixed by "= Mike>". -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sparks =20 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM To: Mike Jones ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org;= id-event@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secev= ent-http-poll-09 On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the re= view comments received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on some of= yours before deciding what corresponding edits to make. > > I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the sec= urity=20 > model. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel Not always, and that's an important part of my point. See the first sentence of section 4.1: " In scenarios where HTTP authorization or TLS mutual authenticat= ion are not used or are considered weak, " Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing never seemed very clear or we= ll motivated to me. It was written by an earlier editor who since stopped w= orking on the spec. I'm going to just remove it and unambiguously require H= TTPS. > between two parties, it would be fine if the JTI values were tota= lly guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity for an at= tacker to inject traffic into or to listen to the stream. Does that make se= nse to you? _If_ it were never possible for authorization to be weak or for TLS= auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you call out at 4.1 exact= ly allows someone to be an attacker this way. > > As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a SET= , I propose to add this text: > Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under deplo= yment-specific conditions, > such as if they have not been polled for over too long a p= eriod of time > or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain t= hem. That's better, but consider being a bit more specific about "too lo= ng". Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I'm open to wording suggestio= ns. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert Sp= arks=20 > via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.or= g;=20 > id-event@ietf.org > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of=20 > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Ar= ea Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the I= ESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other las= t call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review Date: 2020-05-08 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider befor= e=20 > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC > > This document is well-written and easy to follow. > > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be consid= ered though: > > This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where Recipien= ts are not well authenticated. See, for example, the first sentence of secti= on 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in the document that the jti o= f each SET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a= malicious Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and the Transmitte= r will remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from ever receiving t= hat SET. > > If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base document= s for the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If there's not, pe= rhaps a short discussion in the security considerations requiring this prope= rty would be worthwhile? > > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is re= quired to hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever seems unreasonable. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event From nobody Fri Jun 5 17:49:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48F13A00B0; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:49:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: id-event@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: id-event@ietf.org Message-ID: <159140455086.28664.8268235683844540667@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 17:49:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] I-D Action: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11.txt X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 00:49:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2020-06-05 Abstract: This specification defines how a Security Event Token (SET) may be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST. The SET is transmitted in the body of an HTTP POST request to an endpoint operated by the recipient, and the recipient indicates successful or failed transmission via the HTTP response. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 00:50:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-10.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2020-06-05 Abstract: This specification defines how a series of Security Event Tokens (SETs) may be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a poll by the recipient. The specification also defines how delivery can be assured, subject to the SET Recipient's need for assurance. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 01:16:57 -0000 --_000_CH2PR00MB067908C494CB1F5093B580A6F5870CH2PR00MB0679namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've published updated SecEvent delivery specs addressing the directorate r= eviews received during IETF last call. Thanks to Joe Clarke, Vijay Gurbani= , Mark Nottingham, Robert Sparks, and Valery Smyslov for your useful review= s. The specifications are available at: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11 * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-10 HTML-formatted versions are also available at: * https://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11.html * https://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-10.html -- Mike P.S. 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I’ve published updated SecEvent delivery specs= addressing the directorate reviews received during IETF last call.  T= hanks to Joe Clarke, Vijay Gurbani, Mark Nottingham, Robert Sparks, and Val= ery Smyslov for your useful reviews.

 

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 00:20:16 -0000 Thanks for your review, Mark. I corrected (1) as you suggested in https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk =20 Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 5:04 PM To: Mark Nottingham Cc: last-call@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org; draft-= ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: = (Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP) to Proposed Sta= ndard Hi Mark, On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 04:52:10PM +1000, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Just two comments, based upon a quick read: >=20 > 1. In section 2: POST is not specific to HTTP/1.1, and it's not good prac= tice to specify a HTTP version. Just say "HTTP POST". Thanks for noting that, it's a good point (and probably just an oversight, = as "HTTP POST" is used sevarl times but "HTTP/1.1 POST" just the once). > 2. I'm not intimately familiar with the use case, but using POST in this = manner precludes caching as well as fan-out (i.e., "collapsed forwarding").= Have you considered just using Atom or a similar event feed structure? There's a bit of discussion on this point at https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-ietf-secevent-http-push-08#appendix-A, though Atom itself is not listed there. -Ben From nobody Mon Jun 8 17:41:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66E83A0841; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8qVIDOrU8SP0; 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Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dick Hardt Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 12:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mike Jones Cc: Yaron Sheffer , Robert Sparks , "gen-art@ietf.org" , Valery Smyslov , "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a7b40705a7ab5a7f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 19:02:06 -0000 --000000000000a7b40705a7ab5a7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There were concerns mandating TLS for any SET as it restricts the use of SET to TLS transports. I would guess the language in the draft-ietf-secevent-http-pull and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll followed that thinking. I my personal opinion, mandating TLS for HTTP transports is reasonable (which is what the specs in discussion use), and that should be changed in both draft-ietf-secevent-http-pull and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll /Dick On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mike Jones wrote: > I agree that the spec should give clear guidance on whether TLS is > required. People should read Phil Hunt's comments (which I just forwarde= d > to the list) and consider where we'd like to land in this regard. > > I agree that if we decide to mandate TLS, rather than simply > integrity-protected SETS, we should modify the Section 3 text below: > The SET delivery method described in this specification is based upon > HTTP and HTTP over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication > and authorization schemes, as per [RFC7235]. > to remove the "HTTP and". > > Likewise, we'd need to revise 4.3 to remove the non-TLS choice. We can > also revise the first sentence of 4.4.1 to make it clear that 6750 requir= es > TLS, regardless of other decisions we make. > > Note that some of the language in question is also present in > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push, so we should apply consistent changes ther= e > as well. > > I hope to hear back from the working group with your thoughts this week. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron Sheffer > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:36 AM > To: Mike Jones ; Robert Sparks < > rjsparks@nostrum.com>; gen-art@ietf.org; Valery Smyslov > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; > id-event@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Hi Mike, > > The document is very ambiguous regarding the use of TLS, and frankly I > wish we noticed it earlier. > > - The first sentence of Sec. 3 has TLS as one of two options: "The SET > delivery method described in this specification is based upon HTTP and HT= TP > over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication and authorization > schemes, as per [RFC7235]. " > > - Similarly in Sec. 4.3, TLS is mentioned as one alternative, not a > requirement: "In such cases, SET Transmitters and SET Recipients MUST > protect the confidentiality of the SET contents by encrypting the SET as > described in JWE [RFC7516], using a transport-layer security mechanism su= ch > as TLS, or both. " > > - Sec. 4.4.1 (first sentence) also treats TLS as conditional. > > My personal opinion is that nowadays we can simply mandate TLS, but I'm > open to discuss it. Whatever the WG chooses, the document needs to be cle= ar > and consistent. > > Thanks, > Yaron > > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 19:22, "Mike Jones" wro= te: > > That TLS is used is specified in the first sentence of the > introduction at > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-1. > It's also in the first paragraph of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-3. > > The new privacy considerations text was requested by Valery Smyslov i= n > the SecDir review of push. I also added it here. I did think it was odd > that it was requested when TLS is required, but it seemed harmless to add > it. If you like, I could clarify that this should never occur. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron Sheffer > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 8:26 AM > To: Mike Jones ; Robert Sparks < > rjsparks@nostrum.com>; gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; > id-event@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Hi Mike, > > I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll document. I ca= n > see that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don't see any ne= w > (or existing) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in your response to > Robert. > > I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted > channels" that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe you meant > something like: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels while > being processed in an otherwise protected system. > > Thanks, > Yaron > > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" = wrote: > > Thanks for the quick reply. My responses are inline, prefixed by > "Mike>". > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sparks > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM > To: Mike Jones ; gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.or= g; > id-event@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > > On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > > Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the > review comments received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on so= me > of yours before deciding what corresponding edits to make. > > > > I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the > security > > model. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel > > Not always, and that's an important part of my point. > > See the first sentence of section 4.1: > > " In scenarios where HTTP authorization or TLS mutual > authentication > are not used or are considered weak, " > > Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing never seemed very clear or > well motivated to me. It was written by an earlier editor who since > stopped working on the spec. I'm going to just remove it and unambiguous= ly > require HTTPS. > > > between two parties, it would be fine if the JTI values were > totally guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity fo= r > an attacker to inject traffic into or to listen to the stream. Does that > make sense to you? > _If_ it were never possible for authorization to be weak or for > TLS auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you call out at 4.1 > exactly allows someone to be an attacker this way. > > > > As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a > SET, I propose to add this text: > > Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under > deployment-specific conditions, > > such as if they have not been polled for over too long a > period of time > > or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain > them. > That's better, but consider being a bit more specific about "too > long". > > Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I'm open to wording > suggestions. > > > > > -- Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert > Sparks > > via Datatracker > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM > > To: gen-art@ietf.org > > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; > > id-event@ietf.org > > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of > > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General > Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any > other last call comments. > > > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > > > . > > > > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > > Review Date: 2020-05-08 > > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > > > Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider > before > > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC > > > > This document is well-written and easy to follow. > > > > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be > considered though: > > > > This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where > Recipients are not well authenticated. See, for example, the first senten= ce > of section 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in the document tha= t > the jti of each SET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess j= ti > values, a malicious Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and th= e > Transmitter will remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from eve= r > receiving that SET. > > > > If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base > documents for the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If > there's not, perhaps a short discussion in the security considerations > requiring this property would be worthwhile? > > > > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is > required to hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever seems unreasonable. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Id-event mailing list > > Id-event@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event > > > > > =E1=90=A7 --000000000000a7b40705a7ab5a7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There were concerns mandating TLS for any= SET as it restricts the use of SET to TLS transports. I would guess the la= nguage in the draft-ietf-secevent-http-pull=C2=A0and draft-ietf-secevent-ht= tp-poll=C2=A0followed that thinking.

I my personal opini= on, mandating TLS for HTTP transports is reasonable (which is what the spec= s in discussion use), and that should be changed in both draft-ietf-seceven= t-http-pull and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll

/Dic= k

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wro= te:
I agree that= the spec should give clear guidance on whether TLS is required.=C2=A0 Peop= le should read Phil Hunt's comments (which I just forwarded to the list= ) and consider where we'd like to land in this regard.

I agree that if we decide to mandate TLS, rather than simply integrity-prot= ected SETS, we should modify the Section 3 text below:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The SET delivery method described in this specification is bas= ed upon
=C2=A0 =C2=A0HTTP and HTTP over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authenti= cation
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and authorization schemes, as per [RFC7235].
to remove the "HTTP and".

Likewise, we'd need to revise 4.3 to remove the non-TLS choice.=C2=A0 W= e can also revise the first sentence of 4.4.1 to make it clear that 6750 re= quires TLS, regardless of other decisions we make.

Note that some of the language in question is also present in draft-ietf-se= cevent-http-push, so we should apply consistent changes there as well.

I hope to hear back from the working group with your thoughts this week.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>= ; gen-art@ietf.org; Valery Smyslov <sv= an@elvis.ru>
Cc: last-call@ietf.= org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http= -poll-09

Hi Mike,

The document is very ambiguous regarding the use of TLS, and frankly I wish= we noticed it earlier.

- The first sentence of Sec. 3 has TLS as one of two options: "The SET= delivery method described in this specification is based upon HTTP and HTT= P over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication and authorization = schemes, as per [RFC7235]. "

- Similarly in Sec. 4.3, TLS is mentioned as one alternative, not a require= ment: "In such cases, SET Transmitters and SET Recipients MUST protect= the confidentiality of the SET contents by encrypting the SET as described= in JWE [RFC7516], using a transport-layer security mechanism such as TLS, = or both. "

- Sec. 4.4.1 (first sentence) also treats TLS as conditional.

My personal opinion is that nowadays we can simply mandate TLS, but I'm= open to discuss it. Whatever the WG chooses, the document needs to be clea= r and consistent.

Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yaron

=EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 19:22, "Mike Jones" <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com= > wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 That TLS is used is specified in the first sentence of the in= troduction at https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-1.=C2=A0 It's = also in the first paragraph of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-3= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The new privacy considerations text was requested by Valery S= myslov in the SecDir review of push.=C2=A0 I also added it here.=C2=A0 I di= d think it was odd that it was requested when TLS is required, but it seeme= d harmless to add it.=C2=A0 If you like, I could clarify that this should n= ever occur.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Mike

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 8:26 AM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Robert Sparks &= lt;rjsparks@nostr= um.com>; gen-a= rt@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cc: l= ast-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org;= id-event@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf= -secevent-http-poll-09

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Mike,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll do= cument. I can see that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don&= #39;t see any new (or existing) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in yo= ur response to Robert.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over u= nencrypted channels" that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe= you meant something like: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channel= s while being processed in an otherwise protected system.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yaron

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =EF=BB=BFOn 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" <Michael.Jones@mic= rosoft.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks for the quick reply.=C2=A0 My responses = are inline, prefixed by "Mike>".

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; <= a href=3D"mailto:gen-art@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">gen-art@ietf.org =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all= @ietf.org; id-ev= ent@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review= of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Thanks for your review, Robert.=C2=A0 I= 9;m working on addressing the review comments received and wanted to have a= clarifying discussion on some of yours before deciding what corresponding = edits to make.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I think there's a misunderstanding abo= ut "jti" values and the security
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > model.=C2=A0 Because communication is over= a TLS-protected channel

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Not always, and that's an important part of= my point.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 See the first sentence of section 4.1:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "=C2=A0 =C2=A0In scenarios where HTTP auth= orization or TLS mutual authentication
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 are not used or are considered we= ak, "

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing ne= ver seemed very clear or well motivated to me.=C2=A0 It was written by an e= arlier editor who since stopped working on the spec.=C2=A0 I'm going to= just remove it and unambiguously require HTTPS.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > between two parties, it would be fine if t= he JTI values were totally guessable, such as "A", "B",= "C", etc.=C2=A0 There's no opportunity for an attacker to in= ject traffic into or to listen to the stream.=C2=A0 Does that make sense to= you?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _If_ it were never possible for authorization t= o be weak or for TLS auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you = call out at 4.1 exactly allows someone to be an attacker this way.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > As for limits on how long a transmitter is= required to hold a SET, I propose to add this text:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Transmitters ma= y also discard undelivered SETs under deployment-specific conditions,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 such as if they= have not been polled for over too long a period of time
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or if an excess= ive amount of storage is needed to retain them.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That's better, but consider being a bit mor= e specific about "too long".

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I&= #39;m open to wording suggestions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- Mik= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Robert Sparks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > via Datatracker
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > To: gen-art@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-pol= l.all@ietf.org;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > id-event@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call revie= w of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Review result: Ready with Issues
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for thi= s draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents = being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair.=C2=A0 Please treat these co= mments just like any other last call comments.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > For more information, please see the FAQ a= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > <https://trac.ietf.= org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Review Date: 2020-05-08
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a te= lechat
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Summary: Essentially ready but with some i= ssues to consider before
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > This document is well-written and easy to = follow.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I= think should be considered though:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > This document allows, and anticipates, dep= loyments where Recipients are not well authenticated. See, for example, the= first sentence of section 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in th= e document that the jti of each SET is hard to guess.=C2=A0 If it's rea= sonably easy to guess jti values, a malicious Recipient could ack SETs it h= as never received and the Transmitter will remove that state, preventing a = valid Recipient from ever receiving that SET.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > If that's an explicit requirement in t= he jwt or SET base documents for the jti to be hard to guess, please point = me to it? If there's not, perhaps a short discussion in the security co= nsiderations requiring this property would be worthwhile?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Is there a discussion somewhere of how lon= g the transmitter is required to hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever = seems unreasonable.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > __________________________________________= _____
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Id-event mailing list
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:14:06 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3674722440_2100256815 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Folks, please consider volunteering for this round. Note that NomCom will b= e selecting a Security AD, among others. =20 Thanks, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yaron Begin forwarded message: From: NomCom Chair 2020 Date: June 10, 2020 at 1:55:21 PM CDT To: IETF Announcement List Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers =EF=BB=BFThis is the second sending of the call for volunteers for the 2020-2021 = NomCom. I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sent 2 weeks ago= ): - I've fixed the URL at the bottom of the email to point to https://urldefe= nse.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_2020_&d=3DDw= IDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalO= SHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D i= nstead of /2019/. This was a test to see if anyone was paying attention. App= arently, some people were. ;) - The IETF 108 registration form includes a checkbox that will let you volu= nteer. You can use this instead of emailing me, when you register for IETF 1= 08. - I currently have 39 volunteers. Last year had 149. I need more volunteers= ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slots on the LLC, IETF Tru= st, the IAB, and the IESG. Ten voting members for the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random way f= rom a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have of = choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population. The details of the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC 8713= ). RFC 3797 details the selection algorithm. Special for this year (and only this year), we also have RFC 8788 (one-off = update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10) to tell us who is eligible to volunteer: Members of the IETF community must have attended at least three of the last five in-person IETF meetings in order to volunteer. The five meetings are the five most recent in-person meetings that ended prior to the date on which the solicitation for NomCom volunteers was submitted for distribution to the IETF community. Because no IETF 107 in-person meeting was held, for the 2020-2021 Nominating Committee those five meetings are IETFs 102 [Montreal, Canada; July 2018], 103 [Bangkok, Thailand; November 2018], 104 [Prague, Czech Republic; March 2019], 105 [Montreal, Canada; July 2019], and=20 106 [Singapore; November 2019]. Keep in mind that eligibility is based on in-person attendance at the five = listed meetings. You can check your eligibility at: https://urldefense.proof= point.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_registration_nomcom.py&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3D= LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG= 23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3D7_9x9PPoUIajJs2AnUFYg0KnEg8gkD3Jnwf1v079EQo&e=3D . If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, please re= member that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be considered as a cand= idate for any of the positions that the 2020 - 2021 NomCom is responsible fo= r filling. People commonly volunteer by ticking the box on IETF registration forms. Th= e IETF 106 form did not ask whether people were willing to volunteer. IETF 1= 07 did ask, but all those registrations were canceled. I have asked the Secr= etariat if it is possible to get the list if volunteers from canceled IETF 1= 07 registrations. If that list is available, I will contact all who are veri= fied as eligible. But given the uncertainty of this process, I would encoura= ge people to volunteer directly (see the bottom of this email for instructio= ns). Thank you for volunteering! The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2021 IETF meeti= ng, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, are IETF Trust: Joel Halpern LLC: Maja Andjelkovic IAB: Jari Arkko Jeff Tantsura Mark Nottingham Stephen Farrell Wes Hardaker Zhenbin Li IESG: Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD Alvaro Retana, RTG AD Barry Leiba, ART AD Deborah Brungard, RTG AD =C3=89ric Vyncke, INT AD Magnus Westerlund, TSV AD Roman Danyliw, SEC AD Warren Kumari, OPS AD All appointments are for 2 years. The Routing area has 3 ADs and the Genera= l area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (that have more th= an one AD) have at least one continuing AD. The primary activity for this NomCom will begin in July 2020 and should be = completed in January 2021. The NomCom will have regularly scheduled confere= nce calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect requiremen= ts from the community, review candidate questionnaires, review feedback from= community members about candidates, and talk to candidates. While being a NomCom member does require some time commitment it is also a = very rewarding experience. As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and able= to attend either videoconference or in-person meetings (which may not happe= n) during 14-20 November (IETF 109 - Bangkok) to conduct interviews. Videoco= nference attendance will be supported whether or not there are in-person mee= tings. Orientation and setting of the NomCom schedule will be done by videoc= onference during the week 20-24 July (exact time and date to be determined a= fter NomCom membership is finalized on July 12), the week prior to IETF 108.= Being at IETF 110 (Prague) is not essential. Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 24, 2020, as = follows: To: nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org Subject: NomCom 2020-21 Volunteer Please include the following information in the email body: Your Full Name:=20 // as you write it on the IETF registration form Current Primary Affiliation: // Typically what goes in the Company field // in the IETF Registration Form Emails:=20 // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings // Preferred email address first Telephone:=20 // For confirmation if selected You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days stating = whether or not you are qualified. If you don't receive this response, pleas= e re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the subject line. If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider tha= t NomCom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership of the= IETF. Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the NomCom= is a great way to contribute to the IETF! You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.or= g_nomcom_2020_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3D= ZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyRE= hLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D=20 I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details o= f the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, within= the next few weeks. Thank you! Barbara Stark bs7652 at att dot com nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf dot org --B_3674722440_2100256815 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Folks, please consider volunteering for th= is round. Note that NomCom will be selecting a Security AD, among others.

 

Thank= s,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yaron



Begi= n forwarded message:

<= b>From: NomCom Chair 2020 <nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org>
Date:= June 10, 2020 at 1:55:21 PM CDT
To: IETF Announcement List &l= t;ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" <iet= f@ietf.org>
Subject: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunt= eers

= =EF=BB=BFThis is the second sending of the call for volunteers for the 2020-2021 N= omCom.

I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sen= t 2 weeks ago):
- I've fixed the URL at the bottom of the email to point = to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _nomcom_2020_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8= Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nE= dsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D  instead of /2019/. This was a = test to see if anyone was paying attention. Apparently, some people were. ;)=
- The IETF 108 registration form includes a checkbox that will let you v= olunteer. You can use this instead of emailing me, when you register for IET= F 108.
- I currently have 39 volunteers. Last year had 149. I need more v= olunteers!
--------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------
The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slot= s on the LLC, IETF Trust, the IAB, and the IESG.

Ten voting members f= or the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random way from a pool of volunte= ers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have of choosing a random yet= representative cross section of the IETF population.

The details of = the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC 8713). RFC 3797 deta= ils the selection algorithm.

Special for this year (and only this yea= r), we also have RFC 8788 (one-off update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10) to tell us w= ho is eligible to volunteer:

     Members of= the IETF community must have attended at least three of
  &nbs= p;  the last five in-person IETF meetings in order to volunteer.
     The five meetings are the five most rece= nt in-person meetings that
     ended prior to t= he date on which the solicitation for NomCom
    &nbs= p;volunteers was submitted for distribution to the IETF community.
 =     Because no IETF 107 in-person meeting was held, for = the 2020-2021
     Nominating Committee those fi= ve meetings are IETFs
       102 [Mont= real, Canada; July 2018],
       103 [= Bangkok, Thailand; November 2018],
      &n= bsp;104 [Prague, Czech Republic; March 2019],
    &nb= sp;  105 [Montreal, Canada; July 2019], and
   =     106 [Singapore; November 2019].

Keep in mind = that eligibility is based on in-person attendance at the five listed meeting= s. You can check your eligibility at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/u= rl?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_registration_nomcom.py&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o= 9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuw= QG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3D7_9x9PPoUIajJs2AnUFYg0KnEg8gkD3Jnwf1v079EQo&e=3D= .

If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, = please remember that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be considered = as a candidate for any of the positions that the 2020 - 2021 NomCom is respo= nsible for filling.

People commonly volunteer by ticking the box on I= ETF registration forms. The IETF 106 form did not ask whether people were wi= lling to volunteer. IETF 107 did ask, but all those registrations were cance= led. I have asked the Secretariat if it is possible to get the list if volun= teers from canceled IETF 107 registrations. If that list is available, I wil= l contact all who are verified as eligible. But given the uncertainty of thi= s process, I would encourage people to volunteer directly (see the bottom of= this email for instructions). Thank you for volunteering!

The list o= f people and posts whose terms end with the March 2021 IETF meeting, and thu= s the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, are

IETF Trust:=
   Joel Halpern

LLC:
   Maja And= jelkovic

IAB:
   Jari Arkko
   Je= ff Tantsura
   Mark Nottingham
   Stephe= n Farrell
   Wes Hardaker
   Zhenbin Li<= br>
IESG:
   Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD
 =   Alvaro Retana, RTG AD
   Barry Leiba, ART AD   Deborah Brungard, RTG AD
   =C3=89ric Vync= ke, INT AD
   Magnus Westerlund, TSV AD
  &nb= sp;Roman Danyliw, SEC AD
   Warren Kumari, OPS AD

A= ll appointments are for 2 years. The Routing area has 3 ADs and the General = area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (that have more than= one AD) have at least one continuing AD.

The primary activity for th= is NomCom will begin in July 2020 and should be completed in January 2021. &= nbsp;The NomCom will have regularly scheduled conference calls to ensure pro= gress. There will be activities to collect requirements from the community, = review candidate questionnaires, review feedback from community members abou= t candidates, and talk to candidates.

While being a NomCom member doe= s require some time commitment it is also a very rewarding experience.
As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and abl= e to attend either videoconference or in-person meetings (which may not happ= en) during 14-20 November (IETF 109 - Bangkok) to conduct interviews. Videoc= onference attendance will be supported whether or not there are in-person me= etings. Orientation and setting of the NomCom schedule will be done by video= conference during the week 20-24 July (exact time and date to be determined = after NomCom membership is finalized on July 12), the week prior to IETF 108= .  Being at IETF 110 (Prague) is not essential.

Please volunteer= by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 24, 2020, as follows:

T= o: nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org
Subject: NomCom 2020-21 Volunteer

Pl= ease include the following information in the email body:

Your Full N= ame:
   // as you write it on the IETF registration form<= br>
Current Primary Affiliation:
   // Typically what g= oes in the Company field
   // in the IETF Registration Fo= rm

Emails:
  // All email addresses used to register fo= r the past 5 IETF meetings
  // Preferred email address first
Telephone:
   // For confirmation if selected
You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days stating= whether or not you are qualified.  If you don't receive this response,= please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to th= e subject line.

If you are not yet sure if you would like to voluntee= r, please consider that NomCom members play a very important role in shaping= the leadership of the IETF.  Questions by email or voice are welcome. = Volunteering for the NomCom is a great way to contribute to the IETF!
You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at:
  =  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.= org_nomcom_2020_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8= SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij= 0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D

I will be publishing a mo= re detailed target timetable, as well as details of the randomness seeds to = be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, within the next few weeks.
Thank you!

Barbara Stark
bs7652 at att dot com
nomcom-chair-2= 020 at ietf dot org

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[2001:569:7a71:1d00:d540:d864:53fd:5e42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w186sm7213359pff.83.2020.06.12.15.10.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6E90AF8F-5592-4D6E-9917-3CEA5F9ED180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Phillip Hunt Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:10:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9B8B066B-710E-42AA-AA01-6C672625A68A@independentid.com> References: Cc: Dick Hardt , Yaron Sheffer , Robert Sparks , "Richard Backman, Annabelle" , Valery Smyslov , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: To: Mike Jones X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:51:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 22:11:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6E90AF8F-5592-4D6E-9917-3CEA5F9ED180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1. Thanks Mike.=20 Phil > On Jun 12, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Jones wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > It appears to me that Yaron, Dick, Annabelle, and Atul Tulshibagwale (on t= he OpenID RISC mailing list) have all advocated mandating TLS in response to= Robert Sparks=E2=80=99 and Valery Smyslov=E2=80=99s reviews. Phil Hunt=E2=80= =99s response was that TLS shouldn=E2=80=99t be necessary as long as the SET= is =E2=80=9Cself protected=E2=80=9D. > =20 > Given these responses and the now near ubiquity of TLS on the Web, I plan t= o edit the two drafts to make it clear that TLS is required to use these tra= nsports. If it makes editorial sense, I plan to try to preserve the informa= tive guidance that=E2=80=99s currently present about considerations for usin= g non-secured transports, while making it clear that that guidance doesn=E2=80= =99t apply to these transport mechanisms. I=E2=80=99m thinking of moving th= ose statements to a non-normative appendix. > =20 > Hopefully we can wrap this up soon and get the new versions scheduled for a= n upcoming telechat. > =20 > Cheers, > -- Mike > =20 > From: Richard Backman, Annabelle =20 > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:40 PM > To: Dick Hardt ; Mike Jones > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; Valery Smyslov ; gen-art@ietf.org; Y= aron Sheffer ; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf= .org; id-event@ietf.org; Robert Sparks > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-htt= p-poll-09 > =20 > While TLS may be redundant in some cases, in practice I don=E2=80=99t see t= he requirement to use TLS materially impacting deployments that fit that edg= e case. Transmitters/receivers that would be burdened by the code/time/CPU/m= emory costs of TLS are probably not going to be communicating via HTTP in th= e first place. > =20 > =E2=80=93 > Annabelle Backman (she/her) > AWS Identity > https://aws.amazon.com/identity/ > =20 > =20 > From: Id-event on behalf of Dick Hardt > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:04 PM > To: Mike Jones > Cc: "last-call@ietf.org" , Valery Smyslov , "gen-art@ietf.org" , Yaron Sheffer , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks= > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-s= ecevent-http-poll-09 > =20 > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not cl= ick links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the= content is safe. >=20 > =20 > There were concerns mandating TLS for any SET as it restricts the use of S= ET to TLS transports. I would guess the language in the draft-ietf-secevent-= http-pull and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll followed that thinking. > =20 > I my personal opinion, mandating TLS for HTTP transports is reasonable (wh= ich is what the specs in discussion use), and that should be changed in both= draft-ietf-secevent-http-pull and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll > =20 > /Dick > =20 > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mike Jones wr= ote: > I agree that the spec should give clear guidance on whether TLS is require= d. People should read Phil Hunt's comments (which I just forwarded to the l= ist) and consider where we'd like to land in this regard. >=20 > I agree that if we decide to mandate TLS, rather than simply integrity-pro= tected SETS, we should modify the Section 3 text below: > The SET delivery method described in this specification is based upon > HTTP and HTTP over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication > and authorization schemes, as per [RFC7235]. > to remove the "HTTP and". >=20 > Likewise, we'd need to revise 4.3 to remove the non-TLS choice. We can al= so revise the first sentence of 4.4.1 to make it clear that 6750 requires TL= S, regardless of other decisions we make. >=20 > Note that some of the language in question is also present in draft-ietf-s= ecevent-http-push, so we should apply consistent changes there as well. >=20 > I hope to hear back from the working group with your thoughts this week. >=20 > -- Mike >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron Sheffer =20 > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:36 AM > To: Mike Jones ; Robert Sparks ; gen-art@ietf.org; Valery Smyslov > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-eve= nt@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-htt= p-poll-09 >=20 > Hi Mike, >=20 > The document is very ambiguous regarding the use of TLS, and frankly I wis= h we noticed it earlier. >=20 > - The first sentence of Sec. 3 has TLS as one of two options: "The SET del= ivery method described in this specification is based upon HTTP and HTTP ove= r TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication and authorization scheme= s, as per [RFC7235]. " >=20 > - Similarly in Sec. 4.3, TLS is mentioned as one alternative, not a requir= ement: "In such cases, SET Transmitters and SET Recipients MUST protect the c= onfidentiality of the SET contents by encrypting the SET as described in JWE= [RFC7516], using a transport-layer security mechanism such as TLS, or both.= " >=20 > - Sec. 4.4.1 (first sentence) also treats TLS as conditional. >=20 > My personal opinion is that nowadays we can simply mandate TLS, but I'm op= en to discuss it. Whatever the WG chooses, the document needs to be clear an= d consistent. >=20 > Thanks, > Yaron >=20 > On 6/5/20, 19:22, "Mike Jones" wrote: >=20 > That TLS is used is specified in the first sentence of the introductio= n at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-1.= It's also in the first paragraph of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf= -secevent-http-poll-09#section-3.. >=20 > The new privacy considerations text was requested by Valery Smyslov in= the SecDir review of push. I also added it here. I did think it was odd t= hat it was requested when TLS is required, but it seemed harmless to add it.= If you like, I could clarify that this should never occur. >=20 > -- Mike >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron Sheffer =20 > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 8:26 AM > To: Mike Jones ; Robert Sparks ; gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id= -event@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent= -http-poll-09 >=20 > Hi Mike, >=20 > I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll document. I can= see that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don't see any new (= or existing) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in your response to Rober= t. >=20 > I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted cha= nnels" that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe you meant something= like: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels while being process= ed in an otherwise protected system. >=20 > Thanks, > Yaron >=20 > On 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" wrote: >=20 > Thanks for the quick reply. My responses are inline, prefixed by "= Mike>". >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sparks =20 > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM > To: Mike Jones ; gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org= ; id-event@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sece= vent-http-poll-09 >=20 >=20 > On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > > Thanks for your review, Robert. I'm working on addressing the r= eview comments received and wanted to have a clarifying discussion on some o= f yours before deciding what corresponding edits to make. > > > > I think there's a misunderstanding about "jti" values and the se= curity=20 > > model. Because communication is over a TLS-protected channel >=20 > Not always, and that's an important part of my point. >=20 > See the first sentence of section 4.1: >=20 > " In scenarios where HTTP authorization or TLS mutual authentica= tion > are not used or are considered weak, " >=20 > Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing never seemed very clear or w= ell motivated to me. It was written by an earlier editor who since stopped w= orking on the spec. I'm going to just remove it and unambiguously require H= TTPS. >=20 > > between two parties, it would be fine if the JTI values were tot= ally guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc. There's no opportunity for an a= ttacker to inject traffic into or to listen to the stream. Does that make s= ense to you? > _If_ it were never possible for authorization to be weak or for TL= S auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you call out at 4.1 exac= tly allows someone to be an attacker this way. > > > > As for limits on how long a transmitter is required to hold a SE= T, I propose to add this text: > > Transmitters may also discard undelivered SETs under depl= oyment-specific conditions, > > such as if they have not been polled for over too long a p= eriod of time > > or if an excessive amount of storage is needed to retain t= hem. > That's better, but consider being a bit more specific about "too l= ong". >=20 > Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I'm open to wording suggesti= ons. >=20 > > > > -- Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Id-event On Behalf Of Robert S= parks=20 > > via Datatracker > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM > > To: gen-art@ietf.org > > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.o= rg;=20 > > id-event@ietf.org > > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review of=20 > > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General A= rea Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the I= ESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other las= t call comments. > > > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > > > . > > > > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > > Review Date: 2020-05-08 > > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > > > Summary: Essentially ready but with some issues to consider befo= re=20 > > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC > > > > This document is well-written and easy to follow. > > > > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I think should be consi= dered though: > > > > This document allows, and anticipates, deployments where Recipie= nts are not well authenticated. See, for example, the first sentence of sect= ion 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in the document that the jti o= f each SET is hard to guess. If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a= malicious Recipient could ack SETs it has never received and the Transmitte= r will remove that state, preventing a valid Recipient from ever receiving t= hat SET. > > > > If that's an explicit requirement in the jwt or SET base documen= ts for the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to it? If there's not, p= erhaps a short discussion in the security considerations requiring this prop= erty would be worthwhile? > > > > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long the transmitter is r= equired to hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever seems unreasonable. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Id-event mailing list > > Id-event@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E1=90=A7 > _______________________________________________ > Id-event mailing list > Id-event@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/id-event --Apple-Mail-6E90AF8F-5592-4D6E-9917-3CEA5F9ED180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1. Thanks Mike. 

Phil

On Jun 12, 2020= , at 12:12 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org= > wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

It appears to me that Y= aron, Dick, Annabelle, and Atul Tulshibagwale (on the OpenID RISC mailing li= st) have all advocated mandating TLS in response to Robert Sparks=E2=80=99 a= nd Valery Smyslov=E2=80=99s reviews.  Phil Hunt=E2=80=99s response was that TLS shouldn=E2=80=99t be necessary as long as the SET is =E2= =80=9Cself protected=E2=80=9D.

 

Given these responses a= nd the now near ubiquity of TLS on the Web, I plan to edit the two drafts to= make it clear that TLS is required to use these transports.  If it mak= es editorial sense, I plan to try to preserve the informative guidance that=E2=80=99s currently present about considerati= ons for using non-secured transports, while making it clear that that guidan= ce doesn=E2=80=99t apply to these transport mechanisms.  I=E2=80=99m th= inking of moving those statements to a non-normative appendix.

 

Hopefully we can wrap t= his up soon and get the new versions scheduled for an upcoming telechat.

 

    = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;             Ch= eers,

    = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;             --= Mike

 

From: Richard Backman, Annabelle <richanna@= amazon.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:40 PM
To: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>; Mike Jones <Michael.J= ones@microsoft.com>
Cc: last-call@ietf.org; Valery Smyslov <svan@elvis.ru>; gen-art= @ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>; draft-ietf-secevent-= http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org; Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostru= m.com>
Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-seceven= t-http-poll-09

 

While TLS may be redundant in some cases, in practice= I don=E2=80=99t see the requirement to use TLS materially impacting deploym= ents that fit that edge case. Transmitters/receivers that would be burdened b= y the code/time/CPU/memory costs of TLS are probably not going to be communicating via HTTP in the first place.

 

=E2=80=93=

Annabelle Backman (s= he/her)

AWS Identity

https://aws.amazon.co= m/identity/

 

 

From: Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> on b= ehalf of Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@g= mail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:04 PM
To: Mike Jones <Mic= hael.Jones@microsoft.com>
Cc: "last-call@ietf.org" &l= t;last-call@ietf.org>, Valery S= myslov <svan@elvis.ru>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>, Yaron She= ffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;, "draft-ie= tf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org= >, "id-event@ietf.org" <id-event@ietf.org>, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-i= etf-secevent-http-poll-09

 

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization.= Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.<= /p>

 

There were concerns mandat= ing TLS for any SET as it restricts the use of SET to TLS transports. I woul= d guess the language in the draft-ietf-secevent-http-pull and draft-iet= f-secevent-http-poll followed that thinking.

 

I my personal opinion, man= dating TLS for HTTP transports is reasonable (which is what the specs in dis= cussion use), and that should be changed in both draft-ietf-secevent-http-pu= ll and draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll

 

/Dick

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:1= 8 PM Mike Jones <Michael.J= ones@microsoft.com> wrote:

I agree that the spec should give clear guidance on whether TLS is required.=   People should read Phil Hunt's comments (which I just forwarded to th= e list) and consider where we'd like to land in this regard.

I agree that if we decide to mandate TLS, rather than simply integrity-prote= cted SETS, we should modify the Section 3 text below:
   The SET delivery method described in this specification is base= d upon
   HTTP and HTTP over TLS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentic= ation
   and authorization schemes, as per [RFC7235].
to remove the "HTTP and".

Likewise, we'd need to revise 4.3 to remove the non-TLS choice.  We can= also revise the first sentence of 4.4.1 to make it clear that 6750 requires= TLS, regardless of other decisions we make.

Note that some of the language in question is also present in draft-ietf-sec= event-http-push, so we should apply consistent changes there as well.

I hope to hear back from the working group with your thoughts this week.
=
                     =           -- Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>; gen-art@ietf.org; V= alery Smyslov <svan@el= vis.ru>
Cc: last-call@ietf.o= rg; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-= poll-09

Hi Mike,

The document is very ambiguous regarding the use of TLS, and frankly I wish w= e noticed it earlier.

- The first sentence of Sec. 3 has TLS as one of two options: "The SET deliv= ery method described in this specification is based upon HTTP and HTTP over T= LS [RFC2818] and/or standard HTTP authentication and authorization schemes, a= s per [RFC7235]. "

- Similarly in Sec. 4.3, TLS is mentioned as one alternative, not a requirem= ent: "In such cases, SET Transmitters and SET Recipients MUST protect the co= nfidentiality of the SET contents by encrypting the SET as described in JWE [= RFC7516], using a transport-layer security mechanism such as TLS, or both. "

- Sec. 4.4.1 (first sentence) also treats TLS as conditional.

My personal opinion is that nowadays we can simply mandate TLS, but I'm open= to discuss it. Whatever the WG chooses, the document needs to be clear and c= onsistent.

Thanks,
        Yaron

On 6/5/20, 19:22, "Mike Jones" <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wrote:

    That TLS is used is specified in the first sentence of the int= roduction at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-1.&= nbsp; It's also in the first paragraph of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09#section-3..=

    The new privacy considerations text was requested by Valery Sm= yslov in the SecDir review of push.  I also added it here.  I did t= hink it was odd that it was requested when TLS is required, but it seemed ha= rmless to add it.  If you like, I could clarify that this should never occur.

                     =           -- Mike

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
    Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 8:26 AM
    To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Robert Sparks <= ;rjsparks@nostrum.= com>; gen-art@ietf.org     Cc: la= st-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org=
    Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-= secevent-http-poll-09

    Hi Mike,

    I'm looking at the latest PR, specifically at the Poll documen= t. I can see that you changed the text around signing SETs, but I don't see a= ny new (or existing) text that requires HTTPS as you noted in your response t= o Robert.

    I even see this new text "If SETs are transmitted over unencry= pted channels" that confuses me even more. For the latter, maybe you meant s= omething like: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels while being= processed in an otherwise protected system.

    Thanks,
        Yaron

    On 6/5/20, 03:49, "Mike Jones" <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wr= ote:

        Thanks for the quick reply.  My responses a= re inline, prefixed by "Mike>".

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
        Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:51 PM
        To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; gen-art@ietf.org         Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org=
        Subject: Re: [Id-event] Genart last call review o= f draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09


        On 6/4/20 4:27 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
        > Thanks for your review, Robert.  I'm w= orking on addressing the review comments received and wanted to have a clari= fying discussion on some of yours before deciding what corresponding edits t= o make.
        >
        > I think there's a misunderstanding about "j= ti" values and the security
        > model.  Because communication is over a= TLS-protected channel

        Not always, and that's an important part of my p= oint.

        See the first sentence of section 4.1:

        "   In scenarios where HTTP authorizat= ion or TLS mutual authentication
            are not used or are considered wea= k, "

        Mike> Frankly, the text you're citing never s= eemed very clear or well motivated to me.  It was written by an earlier= editor who since stopped working on the spec.  I'm going to just remov= e it and unambiguously require HTTPS.

        > between two parties, it would be fine if th= e JTI values were totally guessable, such as "A", "B", "C", etc.  There= 's no opportunity for an attacker to inject traffic into or to listen to the= stream.  Does that make sense to you?
        _If_ it were never possible for authorization to= be weak or for TLS auth to not be used, then sure. But the exception you ca= ll out at 4.1 exactly allows someone to be an attacker this way.
        >
        > As for limits on how long a transmitter is r= equired to hold a SET, I propose to add this text:
        >        Transmitters may= also discard undelivered SETs under deployment-specific conditions,
        >        such as if they h= ave not been polled for over too long a period of time
        >        or if an excessi= ve amount of storage is needed to retain them.
        That's better, but consider being a bit more spe= cific about "too long".

        Mike> That's deployment-specific, but I'm ope= n to wording suggestions.

        >
        >            &n= bsp;                  -- Mike         >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Id-event <id-event-bounces@ietf.org> On B= ehalf Of Robert Sparks
        > via Datatracker
        > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:57 AM
        > To: gen-art@ietf.org
        > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org;
        > id-event@ietf.org
        > Subject: [Id-event] Genart last call review= of
        > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09
        >
        > Reviewer: Robert Sparks
        > Review result: Ready with Issues
        >
        > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this= draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents be= ing processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comme= nts just like any other last call comments.
        >
        > For more information, please see the FAQ at=
        >
        > <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/Gen= Artfaq>.
        >
        > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-09<= br>         > Reviewer: Robert Sparks
        > Review Date: 2020-05-08
        > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13
        > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a tel= echat
        >
        > Summary: Essentially ready but with some is= sues to consider before
        > publishing as a Proposed Standard RFC
        >
        > This document is well-written and easy to f= ollow.
        >
        > I have a couple of edge-case issues that I t= hink should be considered though:
        >
        > This document allows, and anticipates, depl= oyments where Recipients are not well authenticated. See, for example, the f= irst sentence of section 4.1. There is also an unstated expectation in the d= ocument that the jti of each SET is hard to guess.  If it's reasonably easy to guess jti values, a malicious Recipient could ac= k SETs it has never received and the Transmitter will remove that state, pre= venting a valid Recipient from ever receiving that SET.
        >
        > If that's an explicit requirement in the jw= t or SET base documents for the jti to be hard to guess, please point me to i= t? If there's not, perhaps a short discussion in the security considerations= requiring this property would be worthwhile?
        >
        > Is there a discussion somewhere of how long= the transmitter is required to hold a given SET for a Recipient? Forever se= ems unreasonable.
        >
        >
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:02:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2020-06-15 Abstract: This specification defines how a series of Security Event Tokens (SETs) can be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a poll by the recipient. The specification also defines how delivery can be assured, subject to the SET Recipient's need for assurance. 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YT48bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcD4NCjwvZGl2Pg0KPC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPg0KPC9kaXY+DQo8L2JvZHk+ DQo8L2h0bWw+DQo= --_000_MN2PR00MB068802D67992275273ADAD4BF59D0MN2PR00MB0688namp_-- From nobody Tue Jun 16 17:56:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B4C3A0CC4; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <159235536240.16290.18367718800198562056@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:56:02 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 00:56:03 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- We mention DNS-ID in the context of RFC 6125 validation in Section 5.3, but not in Section 3. We don't necessarily need to mention it in both places, but it might be nice to be consistent or to remove some of the redundancy. Section 6 I think both SET Issuers and Transmitters (not just one or the other) should consider the ramifications of sharing a particular SET. While it's true that (as the secdir reviewer noted) when JWE is used the Issuer has sole knowledge/control, but in other cases the Issuer may not know the full recipient list. Appendix A (Some information leakage is possible even over the TLS channel, too. Message padding algorithms to prevent such side channels remain an open research topic.) To the IESG: note that Appenix B ("Other Streaming Specifications") is currently slated for removal prior to publication. From nobody Tue Jun 16 17:59:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6477B3A0ACD; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:59:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <159235557339.17419.7778312585499134203@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:59:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 00:59:34 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Prompted by Mark Notthingham's comments, we should perhaps leave some breadcrumbs that -push has discussion of alternatives considered and rejected, though this is less important if that section is to be removed prior to publication as an RFC. It may be worth mentioning explicitly in Section 1 that one of the pieces of configuration metadata to be exchanged includes the authentication/authorization information for the Recipient, or to discuss Recipient authentication/authorization in Section 3 where server (i.e., Transmitter) authentication is covered. When we reference RFC 6125, we only mention the DNS-ID name type in Section 4.3 but not in Section 3. As for -push, we don't necessarily need to mention it in both places, but it might be nice to be consistent or to remove some of the redundancy. Section 5 As for -push, I think both SET Issuers and Transmitters (not just one or the other) should consider the ramifications of sharing a particular SET. While it's true that (as the secdir reviewer of -push noted) when JWE is used the Issuer has sole knowledge/control, but in other cases the Issuer may not know the full recipient list. From nobody Wed Jun 17 07:58:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE39C3A0853; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Murray Kucherawy Message-ID: <159240589769.334.12957247060476090956@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:58:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:58:30 -0000 Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A couple of questions arise for me about the use of requirements language: Section 2.1: * Under what circumstances would you not follow the advice of that SHOULD? Section 2.2: * "... the oldest SETs available SHOULD be returned first." -- why is that only a SHOULD? Section 2.4: * "... SHOULD parse and validate received SETs to meet its own requirements ..." -- when would you not do this? And a nit: Section 2.2: * "An OPTIONAL JSON integer value ..." -- JSON defines "number", not "integer"; I understand what you mean, but that distinction has drawn complaints on previous documents. From nobody Fri Jun 19 06:10:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A0D3A09EB; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:10:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Valery Smyslov via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159257225069.31013.12380067855802786524@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Valery Smyslov Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:10:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:10:51 -0000 Reviewer: Valery Smyslov Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This is my second review of the draft, last time I reviewed -10 version. I looked over the diff between these versions and found that my concerns have been addressed. I'm also glad that using TLS is now mandatory. Thank you. From nobody Fri Jun 19 20:33:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DB33A1011; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Martin Duke via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Duke Message-ID: <159262402813.23018.718129073957411259@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 20:33:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 03:33:49 -0000 Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please add an informative reference to RFC7519 on first use of “jti”. From nobody Sat Jun 20 12:05:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DDF3A08ED; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Murray Kucherawy Message-ID: <159267993673.14137.16764180738283632607@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:05:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 19:05:37 -0000 Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: * "SET parsing and issuer and ..." -- s/parsing and/parsing,/ * I'm struggling a bit with the SHOULD and SHOULD NOT in the final paragraph. When would you legitimately re-transmit a delivered SET, or not delay re-transmission after a failure? Section 2.1: OLD: ... request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET Recipient. NEW: ... request to a TLS-enabled HTTP endpoint provided by the SET Recipient. * This section makes several references to "header" that I think should be "header field". Section 2.3: * Same issue with the SHOULD in the first paragraph: When would you not use an appropriate HTTP response code? * I think the "MAY" in the "description" bullet is superfluous, since you're describing interoperability with a human at this point. * Same issue with "header" here, with three instances in this section. * I suggest that the example figures in this section should be indented. One of them is actually outdented. * "example non-normative" should be "non-normative example", with three instances in this section. Section 2.4: * The table here is effectively a copy of the table in Section 7.1.2. Could we just replace this section with a forward reference? Section 4: * "... always retry failed transmissions, however, it should ..." -- "however" should start a new sentence, or at least the first comma should be a semi-colon * More generally, I wonder if leaving the "retryability" (I wish that was a word) to the discretion of an implementation, which feels mushy, could be improved. In SMTP and various other protocols there's an indication, as part of the reply, that tells the client whether a failure might succeed later on a retry (say, a local resource limitation that might clear) versus one that will presumably never succeed (no such user here). The DNS makes the same distinction. For example, including in the registry a column indicating whether a response is indicating a temporary or permanent condition might be useful, or it could be a formalized part of the JSON reply. Section 5.5: * "... systems that the SET Recipient forwards the SET onto ..." -- suggest "... systems to which the SET Recipient forwards the SET ..." Section 6: * The variable use of "should" and "SHOULD" here made me look a bit sideways at this section. They all "feel" the same, so the variance seems odd. Section 7.1.1: * For "Error Code", this set of restrictions allows me to register a code called "_". Do you want more restrictions here? * "For error codes registered by the IETF or its working groups, list "IETF SecEvent Working Group"." -- What if it was some other working group? From nobody Sat Jun 20 22:07:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1289E3A0945; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzAx2_ZIwmlt; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A15103A094B; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 05L57Dhh013005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 Jun 2020 01:07:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:07:12 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Murray Kucherawy Cc: The IESG , secevent-chairs@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200621050712.GN11992@kduck.mit.edu> References: <159267993673.14137.16764180738283632607@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <159267993673.14137.16764180738283632607@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 05:07:21 -0000 Hi Murray, Just my thoughts on a subset of the topics; the authors will need to respond for most of them. On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:05:36PM -0700, Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker wrote: > Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 2: > * "SET parsing and issuer and ..." -- s/parsing and/parsing,/ > * I'm struggling a bit with the SHOULD and SHOULD NOT in the final paragraph. > When would you legitimately re-transmit a delivered SET, or not delay > re-transmission after a failure? > > Section 2.1: > OLD: > ... request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET Recipient. > NEW: > ... request to a TLS-enabled HTTP endpoint provided by the SET Recipient. > > * This section makes several references to "header" that I think should be > "header field". I see that Adam Roach's legacy lives on :) > Section 2.3: > * Same issue with the SHOULD in the first paragraph: When would you not use an > appropriate HTTP response code? * I think the "MAY" in the "description" bullet I think this is "you SHOULD respond", not "you SHOULD use an appropriate error code". I agree about the "MAY". > is superfluous, since you're describing interoperability with a human at this > point. * Same issue with "header" here, with three instances in this section. * > I suggest that the example figures in this section should be indented. One of > them is actually outdented. * "example non-normative" should be "non-normative > example", with three instances in this section. > > Section 2.4: > * The table here is effectively a copy of the table in Section 7.1.2. Could we > just replace this section with a forward reference? > > Section 4: > * "... always retry failed transmissions, however, it should ..." -- "however" > should start a new sentence, or at least the first comma should be a semi-colon > * More generally, I wonder if leaving the "retryability" (I wish that was a > word) to the discretion of an implementation, which feels mushy, could be > improved. In SMTP and various other protocols there's an indication, as part > of the reply, that tells the client whether a failure might succeed later on a > retry (say, a local resource limitation that might clear) versus one that will > presumably never succeed (no such user here). The DNS makes the same > distinction. For example, including in the registry a column indicating > whether a response is indicating a temporary or permanent condition might be > useful, or it could be a formalized part of the JSON reply. > > Section 5.5: > * "... systems that the SET Recipient forwards the SET onto ..." -- suggest > "... systems to which the SET Recipient forwards the SET ..." > > Section 6: > * The variable use of "should" and "SHOULD" here made me look a bit sideways at > this section. They all "feel" the same, so the variance seems odd. I think "SHOULD consider" is not terribly enforcable -- what does it mean to "consider". OTOH, "attempt to deliver" seems more concrete, so "SHOULD attempt to deliver" seems to be at least somewhat enforcable. > Section 7.1.1: > * For "Error Code", this set of restrictions allows me to register a code > called "_". Do you want more restrictions here? * "For error codes registered I think the DEs would look at you pretty funny about "_"... > by the IETF or its working groups, list "IETF SecEvent Working Group"." -- What > if it was some other working group? Good point. Thanks for the review! -Ben From nobody Sat Jun 20 23:09:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D4F3A098B; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Kline via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Erik Kline Message-ID: <159271976063.19726.12885216881790778192@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 23:09:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 06:09:21 -0000 Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [[ questions ]] [ section 2.4 ] * If the SET Issuer is not recognized as an issuer the recipient likes, what err string is best? Most of the listed codes seem plausible in some small way, which lead me to think that either I'm confused or just a small bit of text might be added to one of the entry's description. [ section 5.4 ] * Is rate-limiting problematic transmitters also a reasonable approach? [ section 5.5 ] * Would it not also suffice to record in storage the relevant information from from the transmission context? 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Kucherawy" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: Benjamin Kaduk Cc: The IESG , secevent-chairs@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 23:45:08 -0000 On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > * This section makes several references to "header" that I think should be > > "header field". > > I see that Adam Roach's legacy lives on :) It was beaten into me years ago and now you all get to pay for it. :-) > > Section 2.3: > > * Same issue with the SHOULD in the first paragraph: When would you not use an > > appropriate HTTP response code? * I think the "MAY" in the "description" bullet > > I think this is "you SHOULD respond", not "you SHOULD use an appropriate > error code". I agree about the "MAY". You may be right but then it's not clear to which part of the requirement the SHOULD binds. Either way, the paragraph is worth a second look. > > Section 5.5: > > * "... systems that the SET Recipient forwards the SET onto ..." -- suggest > > "... systems to which the SET Recipient forwards the SET ..." > > > > Section 6: > > * The variable use of "should" and "SHOULD" here made me look a bit sideways at > > this section. They all "feel" the same, so the variance seems odd. > > I think "SHOULD consider" is not terribly enforcable -- what does it mean > to "consider". OTOH, "attempt to deliver" seems more concrete, so "SHOULD > attempt to deliver" seems to be at least somewhat enforcable. Yes, that's also something to be reviewed. > > Section 7.1.1: > > * For "Error Code", this set of restrictions allows me to register a code > > called "_". Do you want more restrictions here? * "For error codes registered > > I think the DEs would look at you pretty funny about "_"... True, but absent any guidance to the DE about what names are acceptable, a future DE might think "Well, it's not disallowed by the defining RFC, so..." -MSK From nobody Mon Jun 22 07:57:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2D33A0D36; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:57:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <159283787174.4603.11072567581627510318@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:57:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-secevent-http-push-12=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:57:53 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. I have a single non-blocking comment about section 1: Suggest to clarify 'known to one another', what is meant by 'known' in this context? A reader could understand it as 'known IP address' or ... Regards -éric From nobody Mon Jun 22 09:51:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EC83A0D5D; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert Wilton via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <159284466166.18019.3296058026904481529@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:51:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:51:02 -0000 Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I found that document easy to read/understand (despite not really knowing what "SET"s are). However, I did have a query about the algorithm: It seems to me that if a client fails to acknowledge a SET (e.g. due to a bug, or perhaps a message is lost) then it has to wait until the server times out waiting for the SET acknowledgement before the server hopefully resends it. However, I would normally expect that a client should automatically acknowledge all SETs in the order that it receives them because it doesn't seem to have a good reason not to do so. Hence, I was wondering whether it would be useful to have an option to allow clients to request that the next "maxEvents" SETs also include any unacknowledged SETs? This would allow clients to potentially recover lost SETs more quickly and more robustly? I.e. for the case where a client expects to acknowledge all existing received SETs before/when requesting more. Regards, Rob From nobody Mon Jun 22 09:54:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320E73A0DA8; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert Wilton via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <159284486818.13261.17585860363163700919@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:54:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:54:28 -0000 Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I found this document easy to read. A few minor nits: 1.2. Definitions This specification utilizes the following terms defined in [RFC8417]: "Security Event Token (SET)", "SET Issuer", "SET Recipient", and "Event Payload". This specification utilizes terminology defined in [RFC8417], as well as the terms defined below: This text could probably be simplified/made slightly less repetitive. 2. SET Delivery Once the SET has been validated and persisted, the SET Recipient SHOULD immediately return a response indicating that the SET was successfully delivered. The SET Recipient SHOULD NOT perform anything beyond the required validation steps prior to sending this response. Any additional steps SHOULD be executed asynchronously from delivery, in order to minimize the expense and impact of SET delivery on the SET Transmitter. Rather than "perform anything", perhaps "perform further processing of the SET" Rather than "in order to minimize the expense and impact of SET delivery on the SET Transmitter." perhaps "to minimize the time the SET Transmitter is waiting for a response". 2.2. Success Response Note that the purpose of the acknowledgement response is to let the SET Transmitter know that a SET has been delivered and the information no longer needs to be retained by the SET Transmitter. Before acknowledgement, SET Recipients SHOULD ensure they have validated received SETs and retained them in a manner appropriate to information retention requirements appropriate to the SET event types signaled. The level and method of retention of SETs by SET Recipients is out of scope of this specification. The normative behaviour of retaining SETs is already specified in section 2. It might be better to refer back to that previous paragraph rather than restating it here. 7. IANA Considerations Section 7.1.1 lists the change controller as "IETF SecEvent Working Group", but the examples just list "IETF". Presumably one of these needs to change? Regards, Rob From nobody Mon Jun 22 12:50:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52C43A0833; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert Sparks via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll.all@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159285540469.23759.315337359881937932@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Robert Sparks Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:50:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 19:50:05 -0000 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review Date: 2020-06-22 IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 IESG Telechat date: 2020-06-25 Summary: Ready for publication as a Proposed Standard My concerns have been addressed. I am a little worried about the Appendix A content of -push - it could be misconstrued to say sending SETs over unencrypted channels is supported by the proposed standard. It would ease my worry if you made this change (again to the -push document): OLD: If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels New: If SETs were allowed to be transmitted over unencrypted channels From nobody Tue Jun 23 00:32:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254473A09C0; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 00:32:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Kline via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Erik Kline Message-ID: <159289756656.6305.1485816652392461604@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 00:32:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:32:47 -0000 Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [[ questions ]] [ section 2.4.2 ] * What should happen with an ACK-only request that has maxEvents: 0 and returnImmediately: false? Should the default value of returnImmediately be !maxEvents? From nobody Tue Jun 23 02:53:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164B03A1826; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:53:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <159290600605.24741.18353328276746360562@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:53:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-secevent-http-poll-11=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:53:26 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. It is easy to read. I have a non-blocking question about section 2.2: for constrained devices, it would probably be useful to also set a maxSize (in bytes) for the returned SET(s). Was this considered ? Regards -éric From nobody Tue Jun 23 06:50:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025C73A0BF2; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:50:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <159292022998.26280.7044943489837971652@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:50:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:50:30 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for responding to the SECDIR review (and thanks to Valery Smyslov for doing it) ** Section 2.1. Per “To transmit a SET to a SET Recipient, the SET Transmitter makes an HTTP POST request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET Recipient” didn’t parse right. What does it mean to “us[e] TLS provided by …”? ** Section 5.3. Recommend being clearer that using TLS is a MUST. OLD In some use cases, using TLS to secure the transmitted SETs will be sufficient. In other use cases, encrypting the SET as described in JWE [RFC7516] will also be required NEW TLS MUST be used to secure the transmitted SETs. In some use cases, also encrypting the SET as described in JWE [RFC7516] will be required. ** Section 5.3. Per “SETs may contain sensitive information that is considered Personally Identifiable Information (PII). In such cases …”, first off, I fully endorse and concur with the spirit here – being clear when you have sensitive information that confidentiality is a MUST requirement. However, we need precision here – PII is a technical term in many jurisdictions, and the definition varies. I wouldn’t want to make the normative guidance here conditional on this ambiguity. I’d also note that Section 5.1. of RFC8417 refers to confidentiality requirements in the presence of third parties. Combining these observations will the editorial item above, I recommend: “SETs may contain sensitive information, to include Personally Identifiable Information (PII), or be distributed through third parties. TLS MUST be …” ** Section 5.3. Per the reference RFC7525, I recognize that this sentence is identical to Section 5.1 of RFC8417. Is there a reason why conformance to it (RFC7525) is not a MUST (e.g., to ensure guidance on ciphersuites)? You’ve already covered TLS version numbers with text and certificate validation with RFC6125. ** Section 5.5. Per “At the time of receipt, the SET Recipient can rely upon transport layer mechanisms …”, since this whole specification is about a particular “transport layer mechanisms”, what is are the specific details here – or is this out of scope? From nobody Tue Jun 23 06:55:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816213A0E1F; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cU4q6oUFZJ7W; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAC233A0BF2; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 06:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05NDtEev001565; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:14 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu 05NDtEev001565 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1592920514; bh=f9v0AVg1shAAX5mpgp2bmEof7gguzwVf3+MhNTqwrBc=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=qU7s39IeE3CxTV8X8hIvsNER13uqLN7hoCmZEd1vXBvUxIjJkg9DvUH3P6EEnFukX L1nOfJ2SnRIiVViwY4N3hgzzxQQ95hA9bEjuoSiviWYBWeCM2UKlnn4aOWCYfGmRU+ T+yFq9H1zZ6JfoZ6cmhQcROR3+tWw1k2qllkLVNs= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05NDtEqY013356; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:14 -0400 Received: from MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (10.64.28.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.487.0; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:13 -0400 Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.46) by MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1979.3; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:13 -0400 Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb]) by MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb%13]) with mapi id 15.01.1979.003; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:13 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: Valery Smyslov , "secdir@ietf.org" , Mike Jones CC: "draft-ietf-secevent-http-push.all@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [secdir] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12 Thread-Index: AQHWRjsWw+Jh/YaAyECvBLbmOhoJSKjmPkaw Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:55:12 +0000 Message-ID: <62e0936425a144f2837306f6c9676f5d@cert.org> References: <159257225069.31013.12380067855802786524@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <159257225069.31013.12380067855802786524@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.202.179] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] [secdir] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12 X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:55:18 -0000 Hi Valery, thank you for the LC and follow-up telechat review. =20 Hi Mike, thank you for incorporating the feedback into -11. I have balloted with a COMMENT as I had a few items of feedback/questions o= n the security considerations. Regards, Roman > -----Original Message----- > From: secdir On Behalf Of Valery Smyslov via > Datatracker > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 9:11 AM > To: secdir@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-secevent-http-push.all@ietf.org; id- > event@ietf.org > Subject: [secdir] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push= -12 >=20 > Reviewer: Valery Smyslov > Review result: Ready >=20 > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoi= ng > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These > comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area dire= ctors. > Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any > other last call comments. >=20 > This is my second review of the draft, last time I reviewed -10 version. >=20 > I looked over the diff between these versions and found that my concerns = have > been addressed. > I'm also glad that using TLS is now mandatory. Thank you. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > secdir mailing list > secdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir > wiki: http://tools.ietf.org/area/sec/trac/wiki/SecDirReview From nobody Tue Jun 23 08:09:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A993A0D7C; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <159292496372.28211.4734524328665691221@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:09:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:09:24 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Section 2.2. Per the ack array, is it fair to assume that an empty array is ignored? ** Section 2.4. Per “After a period of time configured between the SET Transmitter and Recipient, …”, is that configuration out of band/scope for this specification? ** Section 2.4.1. Figure 1. All of the other figures seem to explicitly state that this is a non-normative example. s/The following is an example request/The following is a non-normative example of a request/. ** Section 4.3. This section is identical to Section 5.3 of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:57:07 -0000 Vijay, thanks for your review. Mike, thanks for addressing his comments. = I entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Jun 8, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Mike Jones = wrote: >=20 > Thanks for your useful review, Vijay. I've attempted to address your = comments in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-11. My = replies are inline, prefixed by "Mike>". >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Vijay Gurbani via Datatracker =20 > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 8:17 AM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push.all@ietf.org; last-call@ietf.org; = id-event@ietf.org > Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-10 >=20 > Reviewer: Vijay Gurbani > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area = Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the = IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-?? > Reviewer: Vijay K. Gurbani > Review Date: 2020-05-18 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: The document is ready as a Proposed Standard with minor = changes as indicated below. >=20 > Major issues: 0 >=20 > Minor issues: 1 >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: 1 >=20 > Below, "Sn" denotes "Section n". >=20 > - S2, page 4: "The SET Recipient SHOULD NOT perform extensive business = logic that processes the event expressed by the SET prior to sending = this response. Such logic SHOULD be executed asynchronously from = delivery, in order to minimize the expense and impact of SET delivery = on the SET Transmitter." =3D=3D> I understand the need for this = normative text, however, what happens if at some later point from when = the SET Recipient sent a response, the business logic is executed and = the logic decides that the SET is invalid. What does a SET Recipient = do now? =20 >=20 > Mike> I've updated the sentence to read "The SET Recipient SHOULD NOT = perform anything beyond the required validation steps prior to sending = this response." Should errors be discovered after acknowledgement, the = recipient would handle them locally like any other errors encountered. >=20 > Nits: >=20 > - S2.3, page 7: s/Access token is expired./Access token has expired./ > or s/Access token is expired./Access token expired./ > (Reason: "is" is present tense, "expired" is past, so the grammar in = the > original sentence is incongruous.) >=20 > Mike> Thanks. It now says " Access token has expired". >=20 > Thanks again, > -- Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Wed Jun 24 13:41:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDD43A116C; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <159303128441.24813.13670176229109179936@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:41:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:41:25 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- — Section 1 — I agree with Éric’s comment that “known to one another” should be better explained — just something brief. Push-based SET delivery over HTTP POST is intended for scenarios where all of the following apply: Is it the intent that push be used in all such cases, and pull in all others? It would be good to explicitly say that, perhaps by adding “(with pull-based SET delivery used in all other cases)” to the above. — Section 2 — o The SET is authentic (i.e., it was issued by the issuer specified within the SET, and if signed, was signed by a key belonging to the issuer). If the SET is not signed, how is authenticity determined and validated? I understand that the specifics are out of scope for this document, but I’m trying to understand in general how this works. o The SET Issuer is recognized as an issuer that the SET Recipient is willing to receive SETs from (e.g., the issuer is whitelisted by the SET Recipient). Let’s get a head start on the movement away from “whitelist/blacklist” and change this to “is listed as allowed by the SET Recipient”, or some such. What do you think? o The SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET when transmitted by the SET Transmitter (e.g., the SET Transmitter is expected to send SETs with the subject of the SET in question). It took me a couple of reads to understand what this is getting at. Maybe this clarifies a little?: NEW o The SET Recipient is willing to accept this SET from this SET Transmitter (e.g., the SET Transmitter is expected to send SETs with the subject of the SET in question). END The SET Transmitter MAY re-transmit a SET if the responses from previous transmissions timed out or indicated potentially recoverable error Nit: “errors” — Section 2.1 — To transmit a SET to a SET Recipient, the SET Transmitter makes an HTTP POST request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET Recipient. How is TLS provided by the SET Recipient? Or, perhaps, do you mean, “makes an HTTP POST request using TLS to an HTTP endpoint provided by the SET Recipient.”? — Section 2.2 — Before acknowledgement, SET Recipients SHOULD ensure they have validated received SETs Section 2 says, “Upon receipt of a SET, the SET Recipient SHALL validate”, so how does that work with the SHOULD here? I think this is a problem with repeating normative statements: making sure they remain completely consistent. — Section 2.4 — | | unacceptable to the SET Recipient. (e.g., | | | expired, revoked, failed certificate | | | validation, etc.) | Nit: “e.g.” and “etc.” used together is redundant; I suggest removing the former. Implementations SHOULD expect that other Error Codes may also be received, as the set of Error Codes is extensible I suggest not using a 2119 key word here. This isn’t really a SHOULD: an implementation that can’t tolerate extensions will be limited and eventually considered broken. I think it’s better to just say this as a statement, beginning the sentence with the word “Other”. — Section 3 — The TLS server certificate MUST be validated, per [RFC6125]. Is DANE (RFC 6698) not allowed? Or should this be worded differently? This also applies to the reference to cert validation in Section 5.3. — Section 7.1 — Future assignments are to be made through the Specification Required registration policy Please provide some brief guidance to the designated experts. Thanks. — Section 7.1.1 — Change Controller For error codes registered by the IETF or its working groups, list "IETF SecEvent Working Group". Nit: This isn’t consistent with Section 7.1.2, nor with current practice. It should just say “IETF”. From nobody Wed Jun 24 13:42:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FB3A116F; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <159303132054.18572.17703091513176765625@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:42:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:42:01 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- — Section 1 — Section 1 of the push draft explains that push is meant to be used under specific circumstances. Is it the intent that push be used for those cases, and pull be used for everything else? It might be good to say that explicitly here, perhaps as, “This is an alternative SET delivery method to the one defined in [I-D.ietf-secevent-http-push], and is used for cases where push-based delivery does not apply.” — Section 2 — The SET Recipient MUST acknowledge receipt to the SET Transmitter, and SHOULD do in a timely fashion Nit: “SHOULD do so” — Section 2.1 — Before acknowledgement, SET Recipients SHOULD ensure that received SETs have been validated Same comment as in -push: validation is a SHALL, and this says SHOULD. But see my comment below for Section 2.4. — Section 2.2 — maxEvents An OPTIONAL JSON integer value indicating the maximum number of unacknowledged SETs that SHOULD be returned. The antecedent to SHOULD is unclear. Are you really saying that the SETs SHOULD be returned? Or do you mean that the SHOULD applies to the maximum number? Assuming the latter, it’s better said this way: NEW maxEvents An OPTIONAL JSON integer value indicating the maximum number of unacknowledged SETs to be returned. The SET Transmitter SHOULD NOT send more SETs than the specified maximum. END Recipients that would like to perform an acknowledge only request. Nit: hyphenate “acknowledge-only” — Section 2.4 — If the SET Recipient has received SETs from the SET Transmitter, the SET Recipient SHOULD parse and validate received SETs Is it intended that validation is a SHALL in push and a SHOULD in pull? If so, why? Is it worth explaining that in the documents? — Section 3 — The TLS server certificate MUST be validated, per [RFC6125]. Same comment as in -push: what about DANE? (Also for Section 4.3) From nobody Wed Jun 24 15:27:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB65D3A11B8; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:27:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com, jclarke@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Warren Kumari Message-ID: <159303763675.22170.11467100628162339747@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:27:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 22:27:17 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Eric and Erik, I was unclear on the "known to one another" bit, but it feels like this horse has now been sufficiently beaten... 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 00:13:51 -0000 Robert, thanks for your reviews of this document. Mike, all, thanks for = your responses and the clarifications around TLS. I entered a No = Objection ballot. Alissa > On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Robert Sparks via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your > document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review Date: 2020-06-22 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-05-13 > IESG Telechat date: 2020-06-25 >=20 > Summary: Ready for publication as a Proposed Standard >=20 > My concerns have been addressed. >=20 > I am a little worried about the Appendix A content of -push - it could = be > misconstrued to say sending SETs over unencrypted channels is = supported by the > proposed standard. It would ease my worry if you made this change = (again to the > -push document): OLD: > If SETs are transmitted over unencrypted channels > New: > If SETs were allowed to be transmitted over unencrypted channels >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Wed Jun 24 19:55:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE43E3A1242; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: id-event@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: id-event@ietf.org Message-ID: <159305369991.21235.12939753222996588825@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:54:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] I-D Action: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13.txt X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 02:55:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2020-06-24 Abstract: This specification defines how a Security Event Token (SET) can be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS. The SET is transmitted in the body of an HTTP POST request to an endpoint operated by the recipient, and the recipient indicates successful or failed transmission via the HTTP response. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 02:56:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2020-06-24 Abstract: This specification defines how a series of Security Event Tokens (SETs) can be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a poll by the recipient. The specification also defines how delivery can be assured, subject to the SET Recipient's need for assurance. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 04:42:15 -0000 I responded to most of Murray's comments directly but I forgot to add that = I changed "IETF SecEvent Working Group" to simply "IETF". Several other re= viewers also called this out. -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk =20 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 10:07 PM To: Murray Kucherawy Cc: The IESG ; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer ; draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.o= rg Subject: Re: Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-pu= sh-12: (with COMMENT) Hi Murray, Just my thoughts on a subset of the topics; the authors will need to respon= d for most of them. On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:05:36PM -0700, Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker = wrote: > Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all=20 > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut=20 > this introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to=20 > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 2: > * "SET parsing and issuer and ..." -- s/parsing and/parsing,/ > * I'm struggling a bit with the SHOULD and SHOULD NOT in the final paragr= aph.=20 > When would you legitimately re-transmit a delivered SET, or not delay=20 > re-transmission after a failure? >=20 > Section 2.1: > OLD: > ... request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET Recipien= t. > NEW: > ... request to a TLS-enabled HTTP endpoint provided by the SET Recipie= nt. >=20 > * This section makes several references to "header" that I think=20 > should be "header field". I see that Adam Roach's legacy lives on :) > Section 2.3: > * Same issue with the SHOULD in the first paragraph: When would you=20 > not use an appropriate HTTP response code? * I think the "MAY" in the=20 > "description" bullet I think this is "you SHOULD respond", not "you SHOULD use an appropriate er= ror code". I agree about the "MAY". > is superfluous, since you're describing interoperability with a human=20 > at this point. * Same issue with "header" here, with three instances=20 > in this section. * I suggest that the example figures in this section=20 > should be indented. One of them is actually outdented. * "example=20 > non-normative" should be "non-normative example", with three instances in= this section. >=20 > Section 2.4: > * The table here is effectively a copy of the table in Section 7.1.2. =20 > Could we just replace this section with a forward reference? >=20 > Section 4: > * "... always retry failed transmissions, however, it should ..." -- "how= ever" > should start a new sentence, or at least the first comma should be a=20 > semi-colon > * More generally, I wonder if leaving the "retryability" (I wish that=20 > was a > word) to the discretion of an implementation, which feels mushy, could=20 > be improved. In SMTP and various other protocols there's an=20 > indication, as part of the reply, that tells the client whether a=20 > failure might succeed later on a retry (say, a local resource=20 > limitation that might clear) versus one that will presumably never=20 > succeed (no such user here). The DNS makes the same distinction. For=20 > example, including in the registry a column indicating whether a=20 > response is indicating a temporary or permanent condition might be useful= , or it could be a formalized part of the JSON reply. >=20 > Section 5.5: > * "... systems that the SET Recipient forwards the SET onto ..." --=20 > suggest "... systems to which the SET Recipient forwards the SET ..." >=20 > Section 6: > * The variable use of "should" and "SHOULD" here made me look a bit=20 > sideways at this section. They all "feel" the same, so the variance seem= s odd. I think "SHOULD consider" is not terribly enforcable -- what does it mean t= o "consider". OTOH, "attempt to deliver" seems more concrete, so "SHOULD a= ttempt to deliver" seems to be at least somewhat enforcable. > Section 7.1.1: > * For "Error Code", this set of restrictions allows me to register a=20 > code called "_". Do you want more restrictions here? * "For error=20 > codes registered I think the DEs would look at you pretty funny about "_"... > by the IETF or its working groups, list "IETF SecEvent Working=20 > Group"." -- What if it was some other working group? Good point. 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"id-event@ietf.org" , "Yaron Sheffer" Thread-Topic: Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AdZKs6s3UCPi4Zpg5k+VOuXHY8+CAgAN/SZQ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:25:03 +0000 Message-ID: <42f79f788acf4310a4571e9e59efd9e9@cert.org> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.201.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:52:27 -0000 Thanks, Mike, for the quick responses in both documents, and for addressing my comments. Barry On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:55 AM Mike Jones wrote: > > Thanks for your review, Barry. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-se= cevent-http-push-13 is intended to address your comments. Detailed replies= are inline, prefixed by "Mike>". > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:41 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; id-= event@ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer ; yaronf.ietf@gmail.co= m > Subject: Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: = (with COMMENT) > > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all ema= il addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introd= uctory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > =E2=80=94 Section 1 =E2=80=94 > I agree with =C3=89ric=E2=80=99s comment that =E2=80=9Cknown to one anoth= er=E2=80=9D should be better explained =E2=80=94 just something brief. > > Mike> I reworded this in response to =C3=89ric=E2=80=99s review. > > Push-based SET delivery over HTTP POST is intended for scenarios > where all of the following apply: > > Is it the intent that push be used in all such cases, and pull in all oth= ers? > It would be good to explicitly say that, perhaps by adding =E2=80=9C(with= pull-based SET delivery used in all other cases)=E2=80=9D to the above. > > Mike> Both drafts now contain applicability criteria and say that sometim= es both are applicable and sometimes they aren't. > > =E2=80=94 Section 2 =E2=80=94 > > o The SET is authentic (i.e., it was issued by the issuer specified > within the SET, and if signed, was signed by a key belonging to > the issuer). > > If the SET is not signed, how is authenticity determined and validated? = I understand that the specifics are out of scope for this document, but I= =E2=80=99m trying to understand in general how this works. > > Mike> It it's not signed, the recipient is trusting that the transmitter = is sending authentic SETs. > > o The SET Issuer is recognized as an issuer that the SET Recipient > is willing to receive SETs from (e.g., the issuer is whitelisted > by the SET Recipient). > > Let=E2=80=99s get a head start on the movement away from =E2=80=9Cwhiteli= st/blacklist=E2=80=9D and change this to =E2=80=9Cis listed as allowed by t= he SET Recipient=E2=80=9D, or some such. What do you think? > > Mike> Good catch. Done. > > o The SET Recipient is willing to accept the SET when transmitted by > the SET Transmitter (e.g., the SET Transmitter is expected to send > SETs with the subject of the SET in question). > > It took me a couple of reads to understand what this is getting at. Mayb= e this clarifies a little?: > > NEW > o The SET Recipient is willing to accept this SET from this SET > Transmitter (e.g., the SET Transmitter is expected to send > SETs with the subject of the SET in question). > END > > Mike> Thanks - done. > > The SET Transmitter MAY re-transmit a SET if the responses from > previous transmissions timed out or indicated potentially recoverable > error > > Nit: =E2=80=9Cerrors=E2=80=9D > > Mike> Fixed > > =E2=80=94 Section 2.1 =E2=80=94 > > To transmit a SET to a SET Recipient, the SET Transmitter makes an > HTTP POST request to an HTTP endpoint using TLS provided by the SET > Recipient. > > How is TLS provided by the SET Recipient? > Or, perhaps, do you mean, =E2=80=9Cmakes an HTTP POST request using TLS t= o an HTTP endpoint provided by the SET Recipient.=E2=80=9D? > > Mike> This was reworded in response to a similar comment from Murray. > > =E2=80=94 Section 2.2 =E2=80=94 > > Before acknowledgement, SET Recipients SHOULD ensure they have > validated received SETs > > Section 2 says, =E2=80=9CUpon receipt of a SET, the SET Recipient SHALL v= alidate=E2=80=9D, so how does that work with the SHOULD here? I think this= is a problem with repeating normative statements: making sure they remain = completely consistent. > > Mike> This was also reworded to remove extraneous SHALLs and SHOULDs in r= esponse to Murray's review. > > =E2=80=94 Section 2.4 =E2=80=94 > > | | unacceptable to the SET Recipient. (e.g., | > | | expired, revoked, failed certificate | > | | validation, etc.) | > > Nit: =E2=80=9Ce.g.=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cetc.=E2=80=9D used together is r= edundant; I suggest removing the former. > > Mike> Done > > Implementations SHOULD expect that other Error Codes may also be > received, as the set of Error Codes is extensible > > I suggest not using a 2119 key word here. This isn=E2=80=99t really a SH= OULD: an implementation that can=E2=80=99t tolerate extensions will be limi= ted and eventually considered broken. I think it=E2=80=99s better to just = say this as a statement, beginning the sentence with the word =E2=80=9COthe= r=E2=80=9D. > > Mike> Done > > =E2=80=94 Section 3 =E2=80=94 > > The TLS server certificate > MUST be validated, per [RFC6125]. > > Is DANE (RFC 6698) not allowed? Or should this be worded differently? T= his also applies to the reference to cert validation in Section 5.3. > > Mike> Dane is now explicitly allowed in both drafts. > > =E2=80=94 Section 7.1 =E2=80=94 > > Future assignments are to be made > through the Specification Required registration policy > > Please provide some brief guidance to the designated experts. Thanks. > > Mike> Done - mostly copying applicable guidance from the JWT spec [RFC 75= 19] > > =E2=80=94 Section 7.1.1 =E2=80=94 > > Change Controller > For error codes registered by the IETF or its working groups, list > "IETF SecEvent Working Group". > > Nit: This isn=E2=80=99t consistent with Section 7.1.2, nor with current p= ractice. It should just say =E2=80=9CIETF=E2=80=9D. > > Mike> It's now just "IETF". 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 14:08:25 -0000 --00000000000016be3805a8e92086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:31 PM Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Martin. This is done in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12. > > Thanks again, > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Duke via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 8:34 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; > id-event@ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer ; > yaronf.ietf@gmail.com > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Martin Duke's No Objection on > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) > > Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please add an informative reference to RFC7519 on first use of =E2=80=9Cj= ti=E2=80=9D. > > > > --00000000000016be3805a8e92086 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:31 PM Mike Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wrote:
Th= anks for your review, Martin.=C2=A0 This is done in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks again,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Mike

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To: The IESG <iesg@ie= tf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org; Yaro= n Sheffer <ya= ronf.ietf@gmail.com>; yaronf.ietf@gmail.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-h= ttp-poll-11: (with COMMENT)

Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.)


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COMMENT:
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Please add an informative reference to RFC7519 on first use of =E2=80=9Cjti= =E2=80=9D.



--00000000000016be3805a8e92086-- From nobody Thu Jun 25 15:13:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2713A1065; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tU9t3WsR2BdD; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39E023A1082; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 05PMD8fU003445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:13:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:13:07 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Mike Jones Cc: Barry Leiba , The IESG , "secevent-chairs@ietf.org" , Yaron Sheffer , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org" , "id-event@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200625221307.GB58278@kduck.mit.edu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:13:29 -0000 Thanks for the updates, Mike. Just one note... On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 05:54:32AM +0000, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Barry. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-13 is intended to address your comments. Detailed replies are inline, prefixed by "Mike>". > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:41 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer ; yaronf.ietf@gmail.com > Subject: Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-12: (with COMMENT) > [...] > — Section 7.1 — > > Future assignments are to be made > through the Specification Required registration policy > > Please provide some brief guidance to the designated experts. Thanks. > > Mike> Done - mostly copying applicable guidance from the JWT spec [RFC 7519] Unfortunately, the RFC 7519 guidance is perhaps a bit lacking, in that while it says the experts should consider several factors (duplication of existing functionality, general vs. specific applicability, etc.), it doesn't say very clearly which direction any given factor should move the experts in. For example, while I expect near-universal agreement that duplicating existing functionality should receive pushback, the agreement may be less clear that proposals that are only useful by a single application should get pushback. I think we've done a little better with our guidance to experts in more recent RFCs, but my spot-checking failed to find one that I liked. -Ben From nobody Thu Jun 25 15:32:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0EF3A104E; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRkOLjPjaz3N; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB2283A104B; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 05PMW9qG010184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:32:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:32:09 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Mike Jones Cc: Roman Danyliw , The IESG , "secevent-chairs@ietf.org" , Yaron Sheffer , "id-event@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200625223209.GC58278@kduck.mit.edu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Id-event] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:32:20 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 05:44:20AM +0000, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your review, Roman. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12 is intended to address your comments. Detailed replies are inline, prefixed by "Mike>". > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:09 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org; secevent-chairs@ietf.org; id-event@ietf.org; Yaron Sheffer ; yaronf.ietf@gmail.com > Subject: Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-11: (with COMMENT) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** Section 2.2. Per the ack array, is it fair to assume that an empty array is ignored? > > Mike> It unambiguously is now. ;-) It's good to be explicit about this. (FWIW, my assumption in the previous undocumented state is that an empty array was an error and would be rejected, though I don't think we particularly benefit from such strict parsing semantics in this case.) -Ben From nobody Thu Jun 25 16:04:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284413A1055; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9TsVvhqufy5; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:49:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF. Title : Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP Authors : Annabelle Backman Michael B. Jones Marius Scurtescu Morteza Ansari Anthony Nadalin Filename : draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-14.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2020-06-26 Abstract: This specification defines how a Security Event Token (SET) can be delivered to an intended recipient using HTTP POST over TLS. The SET is transmitted in the body of an HTTP POST request to an endpoint operated by the recipient, and the recipient indicates successful or failed transmission via the HTTP response. 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bulk Cc: yaronf.ietf@gmail.com, secevent-chairs@ietf.org, kaduk@mit.edu, id-event@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, The IESG , draft-ietf-secevent-http-push@ietf.org, Yaron Sheffer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159346758002.25559.8211588453047574944@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:53:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Protocol Action: 'Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-14.txt) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:53:00 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Push-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP' (draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-14.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Security Events Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benjamin Kaduk and Roman Danyliw. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push/ Technical Summary This document defines an HTTP push-based protocol for delivery of Security Event Tokens (SETs, RFC 8417). This is one of the two options the working group is working on: push- vs. poll-based delivery. Working Group Summary The protocol is a simple and straightforward way to transmit SETs, and the working group supports it. Since we only have a small core of active participants, we ran into a problem while requesting formal indication of support, but eventually received enough messages in favor of publication to demonstrate consensus. Document Quality There are multiple implementations, including one in production by Google (https://developers.google.com/identity/risc). The shepherd reviewed the document thoroughly as well. Personnel The document shepherd is Yaron Sheffer. The responsible Area Director is Ben Kaduk. From nobody Mon Jun 29 14:54:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: id-event@ietf.org Delivered-To: id-event@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668EA3A0DB8; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.6.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: secevent-chairs@ietf.org, kaduk@mit.edu, draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll@ietf.org, id-event@ietf.org, The IESG , yaronf.ietf@gmail.com, Yaron Sheffer , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159346768940.25517.1011705093825427997@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:54:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Id-event] Protocol Action: 'Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12.txt) X-BeenThere: id-event@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A mailing list to discuss the potential solution for a common identity event messaging format and distribution system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:54:50 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Poll-Based Security Event Token (SET) Delivery Using HTTP' (draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Security Events Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benjamin Kaduk and Roman Danyliw. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll/ Technical Summary This document defines a poll-based HTTP transport for SETs (security events) which are specified in RFC 8417. The document defines transport using HTTP POST and TLS, as well as optional assurance for such delivery. Working Group Summary There is WG consensus for publishing this document, and no controversy. Document Quality Implementations: Microsoft has the protocol running in production. No noteworthy reviews, and no special expertise required, beyond the working group's core expertise. Personnel Yaron Sheffer is the document shepherd. Benjamin Kaduk is the responsible AD. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 01:12:01 -0000 --_000_MN2PR00MB0686190753F3D3F0A029594BF56F0MN2PR00MB0686namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm pleased to report that the SecEvent delivery specifications are now sta= ble, having been approved by the IESG, and will shortly become RFCs. Speci= fically, they have now progressed to the RFC Editor queue, meaning that the= only remaining step before finalization is editorial due diligence. Thus,= implementations can now utilize the draft specifications with confidence t= hat that breaking changes will not occur as they are finalized. The specifications are available at: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-14 * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12 HTML-formatted versions are also available at: * https://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-http-push-14.html * https://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-http-poll-12.html -- Mike P.S. This notice was also posted at https://self-issued.info/?p=3D2109 and= as @selfissued. --_000_MN2PR00MB0686190753F3D3F0A029594BF56F0MN2PR00MB0686namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m pleased to report that the SecEvent delive= ry specifications are now stable, having been approved by the IESG, and wil= l shortly become RFCs.  Specifically, they have now progressed to the = RFC Editor queue, meaning that the only remaining step before finalization is editorial due diligence.  Thus, implement= ations can now utilize the draft specifications with confidence that that b= reaking changes will not occur as they are finalized.

 

The specifications are available at:

 

HTML-formatted versions are also available at:<= /o:p>

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        -- Mike

 

P.S.  This notice was also posted at https://self-issued.info/?p=3D2109 and as @selfissued.

 

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Dear WG par= ticipants,

 

As you=E2=80=99ve all seen, our last two deliverables, the SET HTTP delive= ry specs, have both been approved for publication as RFCs.=

 

Since the group has = now completed its mission, we propose to close it down. Unless there are obj= ections (accompanied by credible work items) within a week, we will ask the = AD to do just that. Even with the WG shut down, the mailing list will remain= open for relevant discussions.

 

We would like to thank the authors of the Push = and Poll soon-to-be RFCs, Annabelle, Mike, Marius, Morteza and Anthony. Many= thanks also to the many other working group members who contributed to thes= e quality documents.

 

Regards,

 

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