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NuElectric is a company that will do just that. A lady by the name of Dagmar Bonnin, developed an innovative, versatile, and less expensive process while working as a professor at the University of South Florida. Her technology will easily reduce the contamination to a much lower level specified by the government, thereby helping to maintain safe water supplies at an affordable price. Trace quantities of arsenic occur naturally in surface and groundwater supplies in many areas of the country; particularly in the Midwest. But that's not the major problem. Arsenic has many industrial uses, such as hardening of copper and lead alloys, pigmentation in paints and fireworks, and the manufacture of glass, cloth, and electrical semiconductors. In the past, it was also used in the production of agricultural pesticides including herbicides and insecticides, and in desiccants, wood preservatives, and feed additives. The runoff from these uses as well as the leaching of arsenic from waste generated by them has caused increased levels of soluble arsenic in the nation's water supplies. Modified Zeolite Minerals Dr. Bonnin's process of removing the arsenic uses modified Zeolite minerals, which are common, readily available alumina-silicate minerals. The modification involves exposing the zeolites to concentrated ferrous aqueous solutions to form an iron-laden Zeolite mineral, thereby increasing the zeolite's affinity for arsenic. When contact is made between contaminated water and the zeolites, the zeolites act as sorbents, chemically bonding with the arsenic, and are then removed. The minerals can be used in a column as a filter, or they can be prepared in powdered form and used in an existing water treatment plant. Advantages over Other Processes - Bonnin's process is superior to existing methods in several ways. - The Zeolite process removes both forms of arsenate and arsenite. - No need for the additional steps and expenses of oxidation. - No expense for disposal. When compared to other specific methods, Bonnin's process has a variety of advantages. For example, activated alumina is used in one such method, but in order to make it economically feasible, reconditioning of the sorbent for subsequent reuse is necessary. This process itself creates a hazardous solution that requires further treatment and, ultimately, the expense of disposal. Activated carbon and flyash can also be used, but activated carbon has a limited natural capacity for arsenic species and is expensive. In the case of flyash, a waste product produced in large quantities at coal power stations, the properties of any given batch of flyash depend on the particular fuel in use. As a result, quality control and the flyash's capacity for arsenic species are difficult to maintain. Also, because flyash is produced only in a powdered form, it has limited application in column separation. One of the key advantages of Bonnin's method is related to both cost and safety. Because the zeolites are inexpensive, they do not have to be reused to make the process economically viable and because the arsenicladen zeolites that are the end product have passed the EPA's Toxicity Characteristic Leaching Procedure Test, they can be simply and safely disposed of in a non-hazardous waste landfill. In summation, when looking at the alternatives, you realize that Dr. Bonnin has come up with the most realistic solution. NuElectric is positioning itself to accommodate the water industry’s needs. NRGE has also identified other potential technology acquisitions for the future. Once again please visit http://24.188.149.184/NRGE or call toll free 888-323-0856. ****** DISCLAIMER ****** This material is being provided by Stock Market Research 2000, an electronic newsletter paid by the issuer for publishing the information contained in this report. Euro Media, Inc. has paid a consideration of 25,000 free trading shares of common stock of NuElectric Corporation to Stock Market Research 2000 as payment for the publication of the information contained in this report. Stock Market Research 2000 and its affiliates have agreed not to sell the common stock received as payment for its services until January 19, 2000, which date is 15 days from the initial dissemination of this report. After such date, Stock Market Research 2000 may sell such shares. 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Kind regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS 1st IEEE European Conference on Universal Multiservice Networks ECUMN'2000 IP Networks Versus Conventional Switched Networks October 2-4, 2000 - CREF, Colmar, France URL: http://iutsun1.colmar.uha.fr/ECUMN2000.html Sponsors are the following national scientific societies in Europe, which cooperate under the roof of: EUREL, Brussels, Belgium: AEI, Milano (Italy), IEE, London (UK), ÖVE/GIT, Vienna (Austria), SEE, Paris (France), SEV/ITG, Fehraltorf, (Switzerland), VDE/ITG, Frankfurt (Germany), WSES as well as the IEEE Communications and Computer. Supported by: France Telecom Alcatel Newbridge Other Supporters pending: Conference Scope: This conference follows the two successful ATM conferences events held in Colmar, France in 1998 and 1999. The conference scope has been extended to deal with the different topics related to Multiservice Network Architectures, and Implementation, including among others, protocols, signaling, traffic flow, addressing schemes, … Fundamental questions still have to find an answer, such as: How will the Internet, symbol of freedom, compete with the world of traditional carrier networks or cooperate with it? Will alternate Technologies be needed to meet high level quality of service requirements ? What restrictions, if any, will result on the desired degree of freedom ? Emphasis shall be put upon network convergence, including fixed/mobile convergence satisfying the needs of person to person communications, as well as Information and Entertainment applications. The scope of ECUMN'2000 encompasses but is not limited to: Evolution of Telecommunication Networks Architecture: * Core network * Access networks * CPN (Customer Premise Networks including home networks) * Multiservice mobile networks * Interoperability issues, Interfaces and Reference points Packet, frame and cell protocols: * Addressing * Multicasting * Switching and routing * Signaling * Traffic control and QoS Network management and control: * Network design - Migration strategies * Active networks versus Intelligent networks Service impact (multimedia, VPN, ...) on network architecture: * Fixed-Mobile Convergence * Packetized voice * Experimentation and fields trials With such a variety of problems to be solved, and such high economical interests at stake there is a definite interest to exchange ideas, technical results and proposals, between the academic and industrial communities and this is the major goal of the conference. Instructions for Authors: Mail four paper versions or E-mail preferably in Word 6 format, or alternately a postscript version of a 2000-word extended abstract summarizing an original work finalized or in progress. All the manuscripts must be written in English. The top of the first page of each paper should include the title of the paper, authors' name, position, address, telephone and fax numbers, Email of the author responsible for correspondence and a list of four keywords at least. Authors of accepted papers will be invited to submit full-length manuscripts for inclusion in the proceedings. All submitted papers should be sent to the following address: Pascal LORENZ University of Haute Alsace IUT - Department GTR 34 rue du Grillenbreit 68008 Colmar, France Phone: +33 389202366 Fax: +33 389202359 Mobile: +33 603658042 E-mail: lorenz@colmar.uha.fr Important Deadlines: Extended abstract due: February 11, 2000 Notification of acceptance: April 10, 2000 Camera-ready full papers due (2 columns, 8 pages max): June 10, 2000 Best papers will be forwarded for consideration in a special issue of the journal "Annals of telecommunications". A competition for the best student paper will be organized to recognize and encourage excellence in graduate studies. Tutorials: Tutorials will present overviews of current high interest topics. Proposals tutorials are due by February 11, 2000. Conference Committees General Chair: Pascal Lorenz (France) - University of Haute Alsace Technical Program Chair: Annie Gravey (France) - France Telecom Cnet Tutorials Chair: Sylvie Ritzenthaler (France) - Newbridge Learned Societies Liaison Chair: Renato Israel (France) - SEE Prosper Chemouil (France) - France Telecom Cnet Michel Levy (France) - Alcatel Jean-Louis Pernin (France) - Consultant Guy Pujolle (France) - University of Versailles-Saint-Quentin Pierre Rolin (France) - France Telecom Cnet Scientific Program Committee: H. Afifi (France) - ENST Bretagne E. Biersack (France) - Eurecom M. Boari (Italy) - University of Bologna D. Bonjour (France) - France Telecom Cnet T. Braun (Switzerland) - University of Berne P. Brown (France) - France Telecom Cnet P. Chemouil (France) - France Telecom Cnet G. Colombo (Italy) - CSELT J.P. Coudreuse (France) - Mitsubishi W. Dabbous (France) - INRIA A. Danthine (Belgium) - University libre of Liège M . Diaz (France) - LAAS M. 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Lorenz (France) - University of Haute Alsace M. Loukola (Finland) - Helsinki University of Technology B. Maglaris (Greece) - National Technical University Athens H. Maher (Switzerland) - EPFL Z. Mammeri (France) - University of Toulouse S. Martignoni (Switzerland) - Ascom TechLtd N. Mastorakis (Greece) - Military Institutions of University Education U. Mocci (Italy) - FUB M. Nunes (Portugal) - IST/INESC G. Omiyar (USA) - Computer Sciences Corp J.J. Pansiot (France) - University of Strasbourg J.L. Pernin (France) - Consultant G. Petit (Belgium) - Alcatel Anvers M. Potts (Switzerland) - Martel G. Pujolle (France) - University of Versailles-Saint-Quentin S. Rao (Switzerland) - TELSCOM M. Renaldo (France) - SAGEM M. Riguidel (France) - Thomson S. Ritzenthaler (France) - Newbridge J. Roberts (France) - France Telecom Cnet P. Rolin (France) - France Telecom Cnet R. Schutz (France) - CS Telecom H. Tobiet (France) - Clemessy S. Tohme (France) - ENST Paris L. Toutain (France) - ENST Bretagne P. Tran Gia (Germany) - University of Würzburg P. Van Heck (The Netherlands) - Erasmus University P. Van Mieghem (The Netherlands) - Delft University of Technology E. Vazquez Gallo (Spain) - University of Madrid V.A. Villagra (Spain) - University of Madrid M. 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I just got a chance to go through the sections on Host behavior, so here's my comments on those sections. I still have not had a chance to review the Router behavior sections. I found at least 2 things in the protocol itself that look broken. Details below. -Dave --- Comments on draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-v3-02.txt Section 3.2, clarifying question: Text says a host may limit size of source list whose filter mode is INCLUDE. Does this wording mean a host MUST NOT limit the size of source list for EXCLUDE? Section 5.1, I believe the behavior specified here is broken: > If more changes to the same interface state entry occur before all the > retransmissions of the State-Change Report for the first change have > been completed, each such additional change triggers the immediate > transmission of a State-Change Report reflecting the difference between > the newest state and the state *before* the first change for which > retransmissions were not completed. The reason the above is broken is because of the table preceding it, and the sentence after the table: > If the computed source list for either an ALLOW or a BLOCK State-Change > Record is empty, that record is omitted from the Report message. Example of broken scenario: 1) App joins group normally, i.e. IPMulticastListen(s,i,m,EXCLUDE,{}) 2) Kernel sends TO_EX({}) [Robustness] times over the appropriate time internal. Router gets this, everyone is happy. 3) App excludes a new source, i.e. IPMulticastListen(s,i,m,EXCLUDE,{A}) 4) Kernel sends a triggered BLOCK({A}) and sets retransmission timer to random value up to 10 seconds. Router receives this message. 5) Before the timer expires, App un-excludes the source. i.e. IPMulticastListen(s,i,m,EXCLUDE,{}) Since the retransmissions are not completed, the new change triggers the immediate transmission ... reflecting the difference between the newest state and the state after step 2. Since this state is identical, no messages are sent because of the second blurb quoted above (this also applies if the app instead left the whole group and rejoined it). 6) Regardless of whether the retransmission timer was restarted, deleted, or left untouched, no further messages are triggered because the newest state, and the last fully-transmitted state are identical. At this point, the application has asked to receive A, and the router is blocking it, resulting in a black hole. This black hole continues until the next Query is received and responded to, which can be up to 125 seconds later. Summary: 0 packets lost, IGMPv3 causes black hole for up to 125 seconds. (Or, if you prefer, you could say that "join latency is up to 125 seconds" since this is upon rejoining a left group or source). Section 5.2, clarifying question: If you receive two group-and-source-specific queries with partially overlapping source lists, where neither is a subset of the other, current spec says you reply to both of them, meaning you may report some sources twice. Is this the intended behavior? Sections 7.2, 7.2.3, 8.12 are contradictory/broken regarding receipt of IGMPv2 queries while in IGMPv1 Mode: 7.2 states: > Each time a non-version 3 query is received, a host sets a timer: Older > Version Querier Present Timeout. 8.12 agrees with the above, saying: > The Older Version Querier Interval is the time-out for transitioning a > host back to IGMPv3 mode once an older version query is heard. When an > older version query is received, hosts set their Older Version Querier > Present Timer to Older Version Querier Interval. Both of the above paragraphs say that the timer is reset when an IGMPv2 Query is received while in IGMPv1 Mode. 7.2.3 on the other hand, contradicts them. On the arrow for "R2Q" coming out of "V1 Mode", the "RT" (reset timer) event is NOT shown, hence the contradiction. If the 7.2/8.12 behavior is correct (meaning you reset the timer), then you can have a situation where only IGMPv2 routers exist, but the host is stuck permanently in IGMPv1 mode. This seems broken. If the 7.2.3 diagram is instead correct and 7.2 and 8.12 are wrong, then you can have a situation where only IGMPv2 routers exist now (IGMPv1 router went away), and the host has just fallen back to IGMPv3 mode due to the timer expiration. Now all triggered reports (until the next IGMPv2 Query arrives up to 125 seconds later) will be IGMPv3 reports that will be ignored by all routers. This seems equally broken. I think there needs to be two separate timers, a "Version 1 Querier Present Timer", and a "Version 2 Querier Present Timer". Section 7.2.1, contradiction in spec: Table shows that an IGMPv2 report is sent in response to an IGMPv2 Query (and so on). However, the text preceding the table says that the version of report sent depends on what version mode it's in, not the query version. So in the case where the host is in (say) IGMPv2 mode, and it receives an IGMPv3 query from a router that has restarted but has not yet yielded to an older version querier (as 7.2 puts it), should the host: a) send an IGMPv2 Report (according to the text before the table), b) send an IGMPv3 Report (according to the table), or c) ignore the query (can't find anywhere that says to do this) ? 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I don't think we have to worry about these values being overrun by new candidates. ;-) Tom In message <200001312232.OAA25774@dthaler.microsoft.com> you write: >The IESG feedback on the Multicast MIB was that we need IANA >guidelines on how to assign new values for unicast and multicast >routing protocols. Page 5 of RFC 2434 provides several possibilities, >including (see RFC for description): > Private Use > Hierarchical allocation > First Come First Served > Expert Review > Specification Required > IESG Approval > IETF Consensus > Standards Action > >Based on reviewing various existing IANA-maintained MIBs >and what they require, in my opinion, the "designated expert" >would work here, as might requiring RFCs. > >So to steal language from existing RFCs, here are two >strawmen (pick one, or suggest alternative): > >Alternative A (either "published documentation" or Expert): >> Any and all requests for additional values require >> proper and readily available documentation. Possible forms >> of documentation include, but are not limited to, RFCs. >> Other requests may also be accepted under the advice of a >> "designated expert". (Contact the IANA for the contact information >> of the current expert.)" > >Alternative B (always Expert): >> Any additions or changes to the contents of this MIB >> module require Designated Expert Review as defined in >> the Guidelines for Writing IANA Considerations Section >> document. The Designated Expert will be selected by >> the IESG Area Director of the Routing Area. > >Preferences? > >-Dave From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mon Jan 31 18:25:25 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA18056 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:55:15 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:55:11 +0000 Received: from 131.107.152.20 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:55:39 +0000 Received: (from dthaler@localhost) by dthaler.microsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA25774; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dthaler) From: Dave Thaler Message-Id: <200001312232.OAA25774@dthaler.microsoft.com> Subject: Multicast MIB To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IESG feedback on the Multicast MIB was that we need IANA guidelines on how to assign new values for unicast and multicast routing protocols. Page 5 of RFC 2434 provides several possibilities, including (see RFC for description): Private Use Hierarchical allocation First Come First Served Expert Review Specification Required IESG Approval IETF Consensus Standards Action Based on reviewing various existing IANA-maintained MIBs and what they require, in my opinion, the "designated expert" would work here, as might requiring RFCs. So to steal language from existing RFCs, here are two strawmen (pick one, or suggest alternative): Alternative A (either "published documentation" or Expert): > Any and all requests for additional values require > proper and readily available documentation. Possible forms > of documentation include, but are not limited to, RFCs. > Other requests may also be accepted under the advice of a > "designated expert". (Contact the IANA for the contact information > of the current expert.)" Alternative B (always Expert): > Any additions or changes to the contents of this MIB > module require Designated Expert Review as defined in > the Guidelines for Writing IANA Considerations Section > document. The Designated Expert will be selected by > the IESG Area Director of the Routing Area. Preferences? -Dave