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The Canadian Subsidy Directory is sold $ 69.95, to obtain a copy please call: Canada Books...............(450) 224-9275 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 12:00:20 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10432; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi46-0000qv-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi46-0000qq-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi3f-0000oI-PU; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi2m-0000kq-9f for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10346 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2l-0000nc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:07 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2k-0000mZ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from tcb.net (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1156D2029D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:29 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Danny McPherson To: idr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, We plan to progress this in GROW but feedback from this WG is welcome. The current version of the draft is available here: http://www.tcb.net/draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt We'll submit to internet-drafts@ietf.org as soon as the submission window is reopened. Thanks! -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 12:00:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10484 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi48-0000so-P7 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:32 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA3H0WYa003387 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi48-0000sY-8k for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10432; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi46-0000qv-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi46-0000qq-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi3f-0000oI-PU; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi2m-0000kq-9f for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10346 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2l-0000nc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:07 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2k-0000mZ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from tcb.net (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1156D2029D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:29 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Danny McPherson To: idr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, We plan to progress this in GROW but feedback from this WG is welcome. The current version of the draft is available here: http://www.tcb.net/draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt We'll submit to internet-drafts@ietf.org as soon as the submission window is reopened. Thanks! -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 15:05:15 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18239; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkx1-0003lA-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkx1-0003l7-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkwf-0002zw-LG; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkvl-0002xo-KF for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18042 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvi-0003jH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvh-0003iY-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA3K3Vi36062; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311032003.hA3K3Vi36062@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org cc: Ross Callon , Rick Wilder , Ron Bonica , skh@nexthop.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <92874.1067889811.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Subject: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. The Last Call is done at the request of the Routing AD (Alex Zinin). _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 15:05:49 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18340 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkx5-00035p-VF for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA3K5ReJ011883 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkx5-00035a-QQ for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18239; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkx1-0003lA-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkx1-0003l7-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkwf-0002zw-LG; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkvl-0002xo-KF for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18042 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvi-0003jH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvh-0003iY-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA3K3Vi36062; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311032003.hA3K3Vi36062@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org cc: Ross Callon , Rick Wilder , Ron Bonica , skh@nexthop.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <92874.1067889811.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Subject: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. 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------=_NextPart_000_0012_BA6F8911.4187AFC2-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 17:24:59 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28571; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn8G-0006sF-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn8G-0006s8-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn8E-0004WE-3F; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn7h-0004RZ-QH for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28397 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: elgordo_lottery@ozu.es Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn7e-0006oR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn7e-0006oO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Received: from 113.red-213-98-93.pooles.rima-tde.net ([213.98.93.113] helo=Tommy) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGn7e-0006tf-6k for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:31 -0500 To: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Reply-To: elgordo_lottery@ozu.es X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.3-B X-Mailer: Foxmail Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] CLAIM YOUR LUCKY WINNING... Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:24:29 +0100 EL GORDO SWEEPSTAKE LOTTERY COMPANY S.L PLAZA COLONE-28080 MADRID-SPAIN. FROM: THE DESK OF THE MANAGING DIRECTOR INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRICE AWARD DEPARTMENT. REF Nš: EGSL/25003127/CSL/02 BATCH Nš: 0007571982 DEAR FRIEND, RE: AWARD NOTIFICATION/ FINAL NOTICE. We are pleased to inform you of the release of the results EL GORDO SPANISH SWEEPSTAKE LOTTERY/ INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM, Held 12THJuly 2003. Your name attached to a ticket number 025-1146992-750 with serial number 2113-05 drew the lucky numbers 4-18-24-30-31-35 which consequently won the lottery in the 3rd category. 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Best regards The Management. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 17:25:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28640 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn8J-0004a2-SV for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA3MPBmE017600 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:25:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn8J-0004Zn-PK for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28571; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn8G-0006sF-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn8G-0006s8-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn8E-0004WE-3F; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:25:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGn7h-0004RZ-QH for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28397 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: elgordo_lottery@ozu.es Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn7e-0006oR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGn7e-0006oO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:30 -0500 Received: from 113.red-213-98-93.pooles.rima-tde.net ([213.98.93.113] helo=Tommy) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGn7e-0006tf-6k for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:24:31 -0500 To: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Reply-To: elgordo_lottery@ozu.es X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.3-B X-Mailer: Foxmail Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] CLAIM YOUR LUCKY WINNING... 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You are therefore been approved for a lump sum payout of 625,000.39 (Six hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and thirty-nine cents) in cash credited to the file reference number: EGSL/25003127/CSL/02. This is from the total cash price of 5,368,770.00 (Five million three hundred and sixty-eight thousand, seven hundred and seventy dollars only) shared among the seventeen international winners in this category. CONGRATULATIONS!!! Your fund is now deposited with our accredited offshore bank insured to your name awaiting claim. We advice that you keep this award from public notice until your claiming or unwarranted taking advantage of this program by participants. All participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 25,000 names from Asia, Africa, Australia, Canada, U.S.A. ,New Zealand, Europe and North America as part of our international promotions program which we conduct once every year. 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The Canadian Subsidy Directory is sold $ 69.95, to obtain a copy please call: Canada Books...............(450) 224-9275 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 4 14:18:17 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28992; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6h9-0003Eu-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6h8-0003Ep-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6gk-0005W6-Hn; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6ge-0005UJ-Pt for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28960 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gc-0003Dx-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:54 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gb-0003Cq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA032D4859 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11181-01-98 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36882D4850 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Thread-Index: AcOjBcnJZpZOyYvHS3utj/ZpoBiTQA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, A couple queries have arrived asking if this is=20 a "normal" review of the document. Yep, please review both the mechanisms and the "text" describing the mechanisms (of the message below). Sue=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOriginal message = text=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on = draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. =20 The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and=20 specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. The Last Call is done at the request of the Routing AD (Alex = Zinin). _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 4 14:18:48 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA29050 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6hC-0005c8-9Q for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA4JIUQx021574 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:18:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6hC-0005bt-5x for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28992; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6h9-0003Eu-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6h8-0003Ep-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6gk-0005W6-Hn; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6ge-0005UJ-Pt for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28960 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gc-0003Dx-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:54 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gb-0003Cq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA032D4859 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11181-01-98 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36882D4850 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Thread-Index: AcOjBcnJZpZOyYvHS3utj/ZpoBiTQA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, A couple queries have arrived asking if this is=20 a "normal" review of the document. Yep, please review both the mechanisms and the "text" describing the mechanisms (of the message below). Sue=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOriginal message = text=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on = draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. =20 The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and=20 specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. The Last Call is done at the request of the Routing AD (Alex = Zinin). _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 4 21:38:10 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17355; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYq-0002BL-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYq-0002BI-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYY-0003JR-SN; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYM-0003FV-Af for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17328 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYJ-0002AO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYJ-00029e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (router.cisco.com [64.101.214.30]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hA52bFDd014162; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.101.214.237] (ssh-rtp-1.cisco.com [161.44.11.166]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12137; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: To: idr@ietf.org From: "John G. Scudder" Cc: achandra@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [Idr] Multisession BGP draft Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:10 -0500 Folks, We've requested a slot at next week's IDR meeting to talk about draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt. As we missed the cutoff by a good bit, there's a version available here: ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt It will be available there until the draft makes it into the regular Internet Drafts repository. The abstract is as follows: This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4" [MP- BGP] by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used between a given pair of BGP speakers. Each session is used to transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI. This provides an alternative to the current [MP-BGP] approach of multiplexing routes for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection. Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI. See you in Minneapolis. --John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 4 21:38:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17412 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYu-0003QZ-B4 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA52cOZC013169 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:38:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYu-0003QK-5O for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17355; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYq-0002BL-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYq-0002BI-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYY-0003JR-SN; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:38:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHDYM-0003FV-Af for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17328 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYJ-0002AO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHDYJ-00029e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (router.cisco.com [64.101.214.30]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hA52bFDd014162; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.101.214.237] (ssh-rtp-1.cisco.com [161.44.11.166]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12137; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: To: idr@ietf.org From: "John G. Scudder" Cc: achandra@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [Idr] Multisession BGP draft Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:10 -0500 Folks, We've requested a slot at next week's IDR meeting to talk about draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt. As we missed the cutoff by a good bit, there's a version available here: ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt It will be available there until the draft makes it into the regular Internet Drafts repository. The abstract is as follows: This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4" [MP- BGP] by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used between a given pair of BGP speakers. Each session is used to transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI. This provides an alternative to the current [MP-BGP] approach of multiplexing routes for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection. Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI. 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Nicky Taylor
okoro2001@zwallet.com
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 13:04:34 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20738; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoUv-00054K-00; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoUv-00054H-00; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHoUE-00079Y-1w; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHoUC-00079I-V9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20712 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoUB-00053O-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:59 -0500 Received: from [81.199.84.81] (helo=localhst2840.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoU4-00053D-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:55 -0500 From: "GANI ALABI" Reply-To: ganialabi101@indiatimes.com To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] PARTNERSHIP REQUEST Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:03:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Union Bank Plc Nigeria I am the Manager Bill and Exchange of the Foreign Operations Department Union Bank Plc Lagos Nigeria=2E I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my bank with account number=3A 142552004=2Fwb=2Ft who died in November 1997 in a plane crash=2E Since we got the information about his death=2C we have been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we cannot release unless somebody applies for it as the next of Kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines=2E And since no one has come forward to claim the fund for years now=2C we discovered=2Frealized that that the fund =28US$12=2E8m=29 the account no=3A 142552004=2Fwb=2Ft has been abandoned=2E As the deceased is from your country it will enable us proceed the release of the money to you=2E It is therefore upon this discovery that I and two other senior officials in the department now decided to make business with you and release the money to you as the Next of Kin or relation of the deceased for safety keeping and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we do not want this money to go back into the Federal Government Account as Unclaimed Bill=2E This is because the banking Law and Guidelines here stipulated that if such money remains unclaimed after five years the money would be transferred into the Banking Treasury as unclaimed fund=2E It is in view of this=2C I got your contact through the foreign trade mission after I was convinced in my mind that you=2Fyour name could be used as the next of kin to the deceased=2E The request of a foreigner as Next of Kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer is a foreigner and a Nigeria cannot stand as a Next of Kin to a foreigner=2E I agreed that US$4=2E5M of this money=2Ffund will be for you for your involvement=2C Three Hundred Thousand Dollars will be donated to charity while the rest will be for me and my partners=2E So upon the conclusion of this transaction and your receipt of this fund=2C I and two other of my colleagues will visit your country for the disbursement=2E Therefore=2C to enable the immediate transfer=2Frelease of the fund to you as arranged=2C you must apply first to the Bank as a relation or Next of Kin of the deceased=2E Upon receipt of your reply I will send to you by fax Text of the Application and the next steps to take=2E I will also not fail to bring to your notice that this business is hitch free and that you should not entertain any fear as the whole required arrangement as been made for the transfer=2Frelease of the fund to you=2E Note=3A This transaction is confidential=2Frisks free=2E As soon as you receive this email=2C you should contact me at once through the above stated email address=2E Thanks=2C trusting to hear from you immediately=2C Yours Sincerely=2C MR GANI ALABI _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 6 13:05:06 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20790 for ; 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Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHoUC-00079I-V9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20712 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoUB-00053O-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:59 -0500 Received: from [81.199.84.81] (helo=localhst2840.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoU4-00053D-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:55 -0500 From: "GANI ALABI" Reply-To: ganialabi101@indiatimes.com To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] PARTNERSHIP REQUEST Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:03:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Union Bank Plc Nigeria I am the Manager Bill and Exchange of the Foreign Operations Department Union Bank Plc Lagos Nigeria=2E I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my bank with account number=3A 142552004=2Fwb=2Ft who died in November 1997 in a plane crash=2E Since we got the information about his death=2C we have been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we cannot release unless somebody applies for it as the next of Kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines=2E And since no one has come forward to claim the fund for years now=2C we discovered=2Frealized that that the fund =28US$12=2E8m=29 the account no=3A 142552004=2Fwb=2Ft has been abandoned=2E As the deceased is from your country it will enable us proceed the release of the money to you=2E It is therefore upon this discovery that I and two other senior officials in the department now decided to make business with you and release the money to you as the Next of Kin or relation of the deceased for safety keeping and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we do not want this money to go back into the Federal Government Account as Unclaimed Bill=2E This is because the banking Law and Guidelines here stipulated that if such money remains unclaimed after five years the money would be transferred into the Banking Treasury as unclaimed fund=2E It is in view of this=2C I got your contact through the foreign trade mission after I was convinced in my mind that you=2Fyour name could be used as the next of kin to the deceased=2E The request of a foreigner as Next of Kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer is a foreigner and a Nigeria cannot stand as a Next of Kin to a foreigner=2E I agreed that US$4=2E5M of this money=2Ffund will be for you for your involvement=2C Three Hundred Thousand Dollars will be donated to charity while the rest will be for me and my partners=2E So upon the conclusion of this transaction and your receipt of this fund=2C I and two other of my colleagues will visit your country for the disbursement=2E Therefore=2C to enable the immediate transfer=2Frelease of the fund to you as arranged=2C you must apply first to the Bank as a relation or Next of Kin of the deceased=2E Upon receipt of your reply I will send to you by fax Text of the Application and the next steps to take=2E I will also not fail to bring to your notice that this business is hitch free and that you should not entertain any fear as the whole required arrangement as been made for the transfer=2Frelease of the fund to you=2E Note=3A This transaction is confidential=2Frisks free=2E As soon as you receive this email=2C you should contact me at once through the above stated email address=2E Thanks=2C trusting to hear from you immediately=2C Yours Sincerely=2C MR GANI ALABI _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 14:56:01 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25878; 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Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:34 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AHqE3-00024b-CI for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:29 -0500 From: "Nicholas Taylor" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Reply-To: "Nicholas Taylor" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Urgent Asistance Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:55:23 -0800 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Attn sir/madam, I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety. Please contact me immediately. With best regards, Nicky Taylor nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Hello
Attn sir/madam,
I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety.
Please contact me immediately.
 
With best regards,
Nicky Taylor
nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 6 14:56:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25910 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHqEq-0006WT-L7 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:56:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA6JuGJG025067 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:56:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHqEq-0006WE-GG for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:56:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25878; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHqEl-0006tF-00; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:56:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHqEl-0006tC-00; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHqEc-0006SR-Jf; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHqED-0006Re-M2 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25868 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHqEA-0006sk-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:34 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHqEA-0006sh-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:34 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AHqE3-00024b-CI for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:29 -0500 From: "Nicholas Taylor" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Reply-To: "Nicholas Taylor" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Urgent Asistance Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:55:23 -0800 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Attn sir/madam, I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety. Please contact me immediately. With best regards, Nicky Taylor nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Hello
Attn sir/madam,
I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety.
Please contact me immediately.
 
With best regards,
Nicky Taylor
nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 02:55:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04049 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI1Sl-0004hl-PF for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:55:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA77tNaT018079 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:55:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI1Sl-0004hW-Er for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:55:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04043 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI1Sh-0000f7-00 for idr-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:55:19 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI1SW-0000ek-00 for idr-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:55:17 -0500 From: "Nicholas Taylor" To: Subject: Urgent Asistance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:55:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Nicholas Taylor" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Attn sir/madam, I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety. Please contact me immediately. With best regards, Nicky Taylor nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Hello
Attn sir/madam,
I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety.
Please contact me immediately.
 
With best regards,
Nicky Taylor
nicky_2003@tiscali.co.uk
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 12:00:29 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22134; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9yS-0007XA-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:40 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9yR-0007X5-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:39 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9xv-0008VJ-Vd; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9x5-0008Sx-NU for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21985 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x4-0007UR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:14 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.114]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x3-0007UH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 51213 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.3) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 16:59:12 -0000 Message-ID: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:51:03 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of initial routing updates. In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving End-Of-RIB. Thanks Parag _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 12:01:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22200 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9yV-000084-7t for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:43 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7H0hfV000490 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:00:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9yV-00007p-0Y for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22134; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9yS-0007XA-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:40 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9yR-0007X5-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:39 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9xv-0008VJ-Vd; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9x5-0008Sx-NU for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21985 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x4-0007UR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:14 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.114]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x3-0007UH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 51213 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.3) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 16:59:12 -0000 Message-ID: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:51:03 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of initial routing updates. In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving End-Of-RIB. Thanks Parag _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 12:30:03 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25803; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAR4-00006D-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAR3-00006A-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQt-0002PX-LQ; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQp-0002Oz-Jd for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25796 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005x-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005f-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ADD2D4827; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18293-01-3; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7794B2D48D8; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hA7HTIQ16806; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Parag Deshpande Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Message-ID: <20031107122918.C7940@nexthop.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com>; from paragdeshpande@sdksoft.com on Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 IMO, this is an implementation detail. The "initial blast of routes" is intended to bring the BGP peer in synch as quickly as possible. However, you also don't want to delay convergence too much. Thus, if you need to send a withdraw for something you've sent, and you're not done with the intitial blast, go ahead. Theoretically the Min*Timers will keep this from being too much of an issue. On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of > initial routing updates. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. > > Thanks > Parag -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 12:30:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25821 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAR7-0002TU-K5 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7HUH1d009506 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAR7-0002TF-Fa for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25803; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAR4-00006D-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAR3-00006A-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQt-0002PX-LQ; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQp-0002Oz-Jd for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25796 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005x-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005f-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ADD2D4827; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18293-01-3; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7794B2D48D8; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hA7HTIQ16806; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Parag Deshpande Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Message-ID: <20031107122918.C7940@nexthop.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com>; from paragdeshpande@sdksoft.com on Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 IMO, this is an implementation detail. The "initial blast of routes" is intended to bring the BGP peer in synch as quickly as possible. However, you also don't want to delay convergence too much. Thus, if you need to send a withdraw for something you've sent, and you're not done with the intitial blast, go ahead. Theoretically the Min*Timers will keep this from being too much of an issue. On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of > initial routing updates. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. > > Thanks > Parag -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 14:31:57 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03207; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICL0-0001pZ-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICL0-0001pW-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICKw-0002B4-1x; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICK0-000246-Ib for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03148 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001oR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001nX-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2003 11:35:44 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (router.cisco.com [64.101.214.30]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hA7JURmU000512; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.101.214.237] (dhcp-64-101-214-237.cisco.com [64.101.214.237]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28868; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> To: "Parag Deshpande" From: "John G. Scudder" Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Cc: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:15 -0500 At 10:51 AM -0600 11/7/03, Parag Deshpande wrote: >Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. >I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of >initial routing updates. No, it doesn't. >In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving >End-Of-RIB. Yes, it should. --John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 14:32:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03231 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICL4-0002DZ-O4 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7JWAJc008519 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICL4-0002DK-IR for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03207; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICL0-0001pZ-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICL0-0001pW-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICKw-0002B4-1x; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICK0-000246-Ib for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03148 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001oR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001nX-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2003 11:35:44 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (router.cisco.com [64.101.214.30]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hA7JURmU000512; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.101.214.237] (dhcp-64-101-214-237.cisco.com [64.101.214.237]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28868; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> To: "Parag Deshpande" From: "John G. Scudder" Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Cc: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:15 -0500 At 10:51 AM -0600 11/7/03, Parag Deshpande wrote: >Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. >I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of >initial routing updates. No, it doesn't. >In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving >End-Of-RIB. Yes, it should. --John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 15:46:23 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06962; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDV3-0002hV-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDV3-0002hS-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDUY-0007G1-2X; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDU1-0007BD-2T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06908 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002gf-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002ep-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC3D2D4880; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22638-01-85; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DFA2D4819; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Updated Agenda for IETF Thread-Index: AcOlcAAar4U7nFdITWiBrwqVpbOIbg== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Updated Agenda for IETF Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's the Agenda: 1. IDR Documents status update (5 mins) S. Hares & Y. Rekhter =20 2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00.txt (15 mins) Luyuan Fang, Sue Hares, Srikanth Chavali 3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt (15 mins) Enke Chen, Jenny Yuan=20 4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00.txt (15 mins) Jeroen Massar, Rob Thomas, Team Cymru, William Leibzon, Michel Py=20 5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward =20 6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah 7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt (15 minutes)=20 John Scudder ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt Sue Hares=20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 15:46:57 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07035 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDV5-0007Sb-Uf for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:38 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7KkZ8K028673 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDV5-0007SO-Pe for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06962; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDV3-0002hV-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDV3-0002hS-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDUY-0007G1-2X; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDU1-0007BD-2T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06908 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002gf-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002ep-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC3D2D4880; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22638-01-85; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DFA2D4819; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Updated Agenda for IETF Thread-Index: AcOlcAAar4U7nFdITWiBrwqVpbOIbg== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Updated Agenda for IETF Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's the Agenda: 1. IDR Documents status update (5 mins) S. Hares & Y. Rekhter =20 2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00.txt (15 mins) Luyuan Fang, Sue Hares, Srikanth Chavali 3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt (15 mins) Enke Chen, Jenny Yuan=20 4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00.txt (15 mins) Jeroen Massar, Rob Thomas, Team Cymru, William Leibzon, Michel Py=20 5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward =20 6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah 7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt (15 minutes)=20 John Scudder ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt Sue Hares=20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 16:11:26 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07716; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDtH-0002y0-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDtH-0002xd-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDsk-00008s-6Z; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDry-0008Va-Ep for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07591 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrw-0002wI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrv-0002vm-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D3220299 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Hi, > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > part of > initial routing updates. No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why they'd better accept them. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. Yes. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 16:11:58 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07763 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDtL-0000JY-1Y for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7LBdG6001202 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDtK-0000JJ-RC for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07716; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDtH-0002y0-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDtH-0002xd-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDsk-00008s-6Z; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDry-0008Va-Ep for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07591 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrw-0002wI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrv-0002vm-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D3220299 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Hi, > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > part of > initial routing updates. No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why they'd better accept them. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. Yes. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 16:29:02 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08608; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEAK-0003F5-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEAJ-0003F2-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEA9-0002N9-T2; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIE9d-0002H0-QO for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08555 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EK-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.115]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 48543 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Message-ID: <012a01c3a574$efed46c0$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:20:15 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup I agree on all counts - thought the same. Thanks for all the help. Parag ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny McPherson To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates > > On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > > part of > > initial routing updates. > > No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think > of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates > during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why > they'd better accept them. > > > > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > > End-Of-RIB. > > Yes. > > -danny > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 16:29:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08671 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEAN-0002Y2-Ax for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7LTFWA009788 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:29:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEAN-0002Xn-4b for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08608; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEAK-0003F5-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEAJ-0003F2-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEA9-0002N9-T2; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIE9d-0002H0-QO for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08555 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EK-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.115]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 48543 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Message-ID: <012a01c3a574$efed46c0$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:20:15 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup I agree on all counts - thought the same. Thanks for all the help. Parag ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny McPherson To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates > > On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > > part of > > initial routing updates. > > No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think > of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates > during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why > they'd better accept them. > > > > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > > End-Of-RIB. > > Yes. > > -danny > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 17:21:23 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10899; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEyz-00045e-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEyy-00045b-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEyT-0006U3-2D; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIExe-0006ST-9J for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10880 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044t-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.216.42]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044Z-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from cis.ohio-state.edu (185.netlab.ohio-state.edu [164.107.61.185]) by mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HO00065B60PRK@mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu> for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Hongwei Zhang To: idr@ietf.org Message-id: <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? Thanks and have a nice weekend, Hongwei _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 17:21:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10926 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEz2-0006Ys-Jp for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7MLaxf025216 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:21:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEz2-0006Yd-EX for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10899; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEyz-00045e-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIEyy-00045b-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEyT-0006U3-2D; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIExe-0006ST-9J for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10880 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044t-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.216.42]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044Z-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from cis.ohio-state.edu (185.netlab.ohio-state.edu [164.107.61.185]) by mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HO00065B60PRK@mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu> for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Hongwei Zhang To: idr@ietf.org Message-id: <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? Thanks and have a nice weekend, Hongwei _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 17:57:55 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12101; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFYL-0004W7-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFYL-0004W4-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFYH-0000GR-J7; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFXa-0000FF-8j for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12098 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXX-0004Vy-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXW-0004Vv-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hA7MvlhO009681; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311072257.hA7MvlhO009681@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Hongwei Zhang cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 EST." <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 In message <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu>, Hongwei Zhang writes: > Hi, > > I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would > announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If > this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? > > Thanks and have a nice weekend, > > Hongwei If you mean different next hop, that happens all the time. Most prefix are announced 2-5 times into a given IBGP. If you mean different AS path, that happens too if the announcing AS is using IGP cost as a matter of preference and has diffent private peering near your peerings. This doesn't happen as often but does happen and almost any AS can find a lot of these cases. Is there a reason for the question? Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 17:58:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12125 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFYQ-0000KF-1n for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7MwANC001245 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:58:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFYP-0000JB-UH for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12101; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFYL-0004W7-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFYL-0004W4-00; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFYH-0000GR-J7; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFXa-0000FF-8j for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12098 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXX-0004Vy-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXW-0004Vv-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hA7MvlhO009681; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311072257.hA7MvlhO009681@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Hongwei Zhang cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 EST." <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 In message <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu>, Hongwei Zhang writes: > Hi, > > I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would > announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If > this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? > > Thanks and have a nice weekend, > > Hongwei If you mean different next hop, that happens all the time. Most prefix are announced 2-5 times into a given IBGP. If you mean different AS path, that happens too if the announcing AS is using IGP cost as a matter of preference and has diffent private peering near your peerings. This doesn't happen as often but does happen and almost any AS can find a lot of these cases. Is there a reason for the question? Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 10 12:47:15 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02932; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG8N-0001Dw-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG8N-0001Dr-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7y-00059i-9c; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7C-00057R-Pi for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02826 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7B-0001CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7A-0001BQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:12 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (cfcentral.cisco.com [64.101.210.32]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAAHjdDM013806 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tbarron@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id LAA11950; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Barron To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Thomas P Barron Message-ID: <20031110174539.GA166@cfcentral.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [Idr] draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 Enke, Srihari, et. al: I have some questions about draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt. I'm glad to see this draft since there are implementations out there using the route-selection algorithm this draft proposes, and since the proposed algorith is not what is documented in RFC1771 or in draft-ietf-idr-bgr4-22.txt section 9.1.2.2. First, is it the intent of this draft that the proposed algorithm should *replace* the algorithm currently documented, or just that it be added as an option? Second, while I think the claim in 5.1 that the proposed algorithm avoids an unnecessary best path transition is quite straightforward, there ought to be some discussion of concerns that have been expressed about the consequent lack of determinism in route selection. See for example section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-experience-protocol-03.txt and appendix A of "Guidelines for Interdomain Traffic Engineering" by Feamster, Borkenhagen, and Rexford. I'm not personally convinced that this local indeterminism is a real big deal, but I do think it needs some discussion in your draft. Third, I found the argument at 5.2 to the effect that the proposed algorithm reduces route oscillation a bit unclear. Maybe just a bit more text is needed, but it seems to me that the really essential ingredient in your setup in figure 1 and figure 2 is not the router ID, but the high intracluster IGP metric. Indeed, though you cite RFC3345, that work focuses on IGP metrics, not router ID, as a critical factor for "type 1" oscillation scenarios (yours appears to be a type 1 variant.) If adjusting IGP metrics is sufficient to fix both your oscillation scenario and other type 1 scenarios, but shifting from Router ID selection to the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm is not sufficient for type 1 scenarios in general, then the contribution of the proposed algorithm to the route oscillation problem does not seem very decisive. On the other hand, if using the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm yields a general solution to oscillation problems, then this reader at least did not get that from the draft as currently written. I'm glad you folks wrote this draft. I hope it's clear that I'm not against your proposal, but rather want to address some gaps in my own understanding of the issues that surround it. - Tom Barron _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 10 12:47:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02964 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG8Q-0005Cj-VS for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAAHlUuv019986 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG8Q-0005CG-OW for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02932; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG8N-0001Dw-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG8N-0001Dr-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7y-00059i-9c; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7C-00057R-Pi for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02826 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7B-0001CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7A-0001BQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:12 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (cfcentral.cisco.com [64.101.210.32]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAAHjdDM013806 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tbarron@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id LAA11950; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Barron To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Thomas P Barron Message-ID: <20031110174539.GA166@cfcentral.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [Idr] draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 Enke, Srihari, et. al: I have some questions about draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt. I'm glad to see this draft since there are implementations out there using the route-selection algorithm this draft proposes, and since the proposed algorith is not what is documented in RFC1771 or in draft-ietf-idr-bgr4-22.txt section 9.1.2.2. First, is it the intent of this draft that the proposed algorithm should *replace* the algorithm currently documented, or just that it be added as an option? Second, while I think the claim in 5.1 that the proposed algorithm avoids an unnecessary best path transition is quite straightforward, there ought to be some discussion of concerns that have been expressed about the consequent lack of determinism in route selection. See for example section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-experience-protocol-03.txt and appendix A of "Guidelines for Interdomain Traffic Engineering" by Feamster, Borkenhagen, and Rexford. I'm not personally convinced that this local indeterminism is a real big deal, but I do think it needs some discussion in your draft. Third, I found the argument at 5.2 to the effect that the proposed algorithm reduces route oscillation a bit unclear. Maybe just a bit more text is needed, but it seems to me that the really essential ingredient in your setup in figure 1 and figure 2 is not the router ID, but the high intracluster IGP metric. Indeed, though you cite RFC3345, that work focuses on IGP metrics, not router ID, as a critical factor for "type 1" oscillation scenarios (yours appears to be a type 1 variant.) If adjusting IGP metrics is sufficient to fix both your oscillation scenario and other type 1 scenarios, but shifting from Router ID selection to the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm is not sufficient for type 1 scenarios in general, then the contribution of the proposed algorithm to the route oscillation problem does not seem very decisive. On the other hand, if using the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm yields a general solution to oscillation problems, then this reader at least did not get that from the draft as currently written. I'm glad you folks wrote this draft. I hope it's clear that I'm not against your proposal, but rather want to address some gaps in my own understanding of the issues that surround it. - Tom Barron _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 10 23:45:09 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05312; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQP2-0004g0-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQP2-0004fx-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOk-0008KM-Hq; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOL-0008Jo-LX for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05212 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOJ-0004fI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:35 -0500 Received: from web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.58]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOI-0004fB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peering, x.y.z.w need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple hops to reach it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs at each hop. Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. Am I missing something? Regards, John Smith ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 10 23:45:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05333 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQP6-0008N0-8v for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB4jOjp032168 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQP6-0008Ml-4H for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05312; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQP2-0004g0-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQP2-0004fx-00; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOk-0008KM-Hq; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOL-0008Jo-LX for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05212 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOJ-0004fI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:35 -0500 Received: from web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.58]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOI-0004fB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peering, x.y.z.w need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple hops to reach it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs at each hop. Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. Am I missing something? Regards, John Smith ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 01:01:09 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07472; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRaX-0005bG-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRaX-0005bD-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRaH-0003wm-NQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRZl-0003vZ-Hl for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07452 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZi-0005Yn-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZh-0005Yk-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAB60OhO030136; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311110600.hAB60OhO030136@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT." <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 In message <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Hi, > > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which w > e learn > reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A rou > ting > protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon anot > her > routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? > > I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peerin > g, x.y.z.w > need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple ho > ps to reach > it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs > at each hop. > Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. > > Am I missing something? > > Regards, > John Smith This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive into a book on routing. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 01:01:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07496 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRab-00043i-CI for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB61L6q015596 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRab-00043T-7A for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07472; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRaX-0005bG-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRaX-0005bD-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRaH-0003wm-NQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRZl-0003vZ-Hl for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07452 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZi-0005Yn-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZh-0005Yk-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAB60OhO030136; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311110600.hAB60OhO030136@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT." <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 In message <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Hi, > > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which w > e learn > reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A rou > ting > protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon anot > her > routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? > > I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peerin > g, x.y.z.w > need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple ho > ps to reach > it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs > at each hop. > Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. > > Am I missing something? > > Regards, > John Smith This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive into a book on routing. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 03:15:34 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23797; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTgd-0007OB-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:43 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTgd-0007O8-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:43 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfy-0003h4-Cl; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfR-0003eK-Uo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23776 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfP-0007LC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Received: from web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.56]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfO-0007Kp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Curtis, | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. Really? Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depend upon my IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my confusion. John | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive | into a book on routing. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 03:16:07 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23817 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTgh-0003pv-Q7 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:47 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB8Flmv014744 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTgh-0003pj-1v for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23797; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTgd-0007OB-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:43 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTgd-0007O8-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:43 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfy-0003h4-Cl; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfR-0003eK-Uo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23776 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfP-0007LC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Received: from web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.56]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfO-0007Kp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Curtis, | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. Really? Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depend upon my IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my confusion. John | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive | into a book on routing. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 05:03:10 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25821; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVMl-0000dC-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVMl-0000d9-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVMT-0000Tn-Fu; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVM3-0000T4-6k for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25798 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.91]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST From: Mareline Sheldon To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 -0800 (PST) Hi, If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be called "violating the standards" ? Just curious, Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 05:03:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25862 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVMq-0000YJ-Rl for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABA3OaN002122 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVMq-0000Y9-C8 for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25821; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVMl-0000dC-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVMl-0000d9-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVMT-0000Tn-Fu; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVM3-0000T4-6k for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25798 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.91]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST From: Mareline Sheldon To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 -0800 (PST) Hi, If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be called "violating the standards" ? Just curious, Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 09:55:20 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03018; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZvW-00044T-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:30 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZvW-00044Q-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZv4-0005On-UT; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZul-0005O8-69 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03004 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZuj-000443-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:41 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZui-00043v-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F171C2D481B; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 39893-01-13; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133E72D4833; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hABEs7G10627; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Mareline Sheldon Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Message-ID: <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>; from marelines@yahoo.com on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 09:55:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03043 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZvZ-0005Sr-Sj for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:35 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABEtX9B020999 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZvZ-0005Sc-NY for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03018; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZvW-00044T-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:30 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZvW-00044Q-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZv4-0005On-UT; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZul-0005O8-69 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03004 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZuj-000443-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:41 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZui-00043v-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F171C2D481B; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 39893-01-13; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133E72D4833; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hABEs7G10627; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Mareline Sheldon Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Message-ID: <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>; from marelines@yahoo.com on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:18:02 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04984; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaHV-0004RU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaHU-0004RR-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaHK-00070A-32; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaGz-0006zf-Mo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04951 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGu-0004Qw-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:36 -0500 Received: from mesa.bbnplanet.com ([171.78.172.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGt-0004QQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by mesa.bbnplanet.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hABFGqV24046; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mesa.bbnplanet.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs From: Tony Tauber To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-Reply-To: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) [ Just so you don't think Curtis' opinion is an isolated one.] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, John Smith wrote: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you > | have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number > | are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route > | reflectors. > > Really? Yes. > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my > network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. Depends on the design. > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to > | dive into a book on routing. Yes, really. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:18:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05073 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaHY-000755-UH for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABFIGGF027213 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaHY-00074q-PS for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04984; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaHV-0004RU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:13 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaHU-0004RR-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaHK-00070A-32; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaGz-0006zf-Mo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04951 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGu-0004Qw-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:36 -0500 Received: from mesa.bbnplanet.com ([171.78.172.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGt-0004QQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by mesa.bbnplanet.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hABFGqV24046; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mesa.bbnplanet.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs From: Tony Tauber To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-Reply-To: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) [ Just so you don't think Curtis' opinion is an isolated one.] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, John Smith wrote: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you > | have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number > | are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route > | reflectors. > > Really? Yes. > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my > network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. Depends on the design. > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to > | dive into a book on routing. Yes, really. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:24:54 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05562; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaO8-0004b3-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaO8-0004b0-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaO5-0007YZ-79; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaNP-0007UY-Au for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05520 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Zq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Received: from adsl-209-233-126-65.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([209.233.126.65] helo=arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Yc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Thread-Index: AcOoDpTrqNEUICtrTauA7zuqyu4n+QAWJ/zw From: "Michel Py" To: "John Smith" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:23:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > John Smith wrote: > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors > from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. > Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its > routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol > (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I don't see what's odd about it. Airplanes are flying machines; however they need airports and runways which are terrestrial infrastructures. It's not odd, it's the way it is and has always been (at least for what I can remember). Michel. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 10:25:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05618 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaOD-0007ci-2E for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABFP9VH029298 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaOC-0007cT-SJ for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05562; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaO8-0004b3-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaO8-0004b0-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaO5-0007YZ-79; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaNP-0007UY-Au for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05520 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Zq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Received: from adsl-209-233-126-65.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([209.233.126.65] helo=arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Yc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Thread-Index: AcOoDpTrqNEUICtrTauA7zuqyu4n+QAWJ/zw From: "Michel Py" To: "John Smith" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:23:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > John Smith wrote: > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors > from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. > Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its > routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol > (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I don't see what's odd about it. Airplanes are flying machines; however they need airports and runways which are terrestrial infrastructures. It's not odd, it's the way it is and has always been (at least for what I can remember). Michel. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:13:21 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07608; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb92-0005Dp-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb92-0005Dm-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb8V-0002wb-BM; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb7p-0002qA-9x for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07563 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7o-0005Co-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from host19.ipowerweb.com ([12.129.211.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7n-0005CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from dyn132-111.ietf58.ietf.org ([130.129.132.111] helo=GraIyMage.com) by host19.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AJb7L-0006BE-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3FB108E5.5228FB89@GraIyMage.com> From: Eric Gray Reply-To: ewgray@graiymage.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Haas CC: Mareline Sheldon , idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host19.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - graiymage.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:05:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This dialogue is currently a little loose in its use of terminology. The concept of a passive peer is a configuration option and would ideally be configurable on a peer-pair basis. In other words you could configure one peer to be passive relative to one or more other peers specifically. An implementation that arbitrarily (i.e. - for some unspecified reason) chooses to behave passively relative to another peer introduces the very real possibility of having two such peers arbitrarily deciding to behave in a passive way toward each other. These two BGP speakers would never actually peer with each other. From this, you can see that there would be a problem with the notion of a strictly passive peer in general. It would not be able to peer with any other passive BGP speaker. In order for such a BGP speaker to participate in a network with other BGP speakers, all other speakers with which it is supposed to peer would have to be active. -- Eric Jeffrey Haas wrote: > The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > > called "violating the standards" ? > > > > Just curious, > > Regards, > > Mareline S. > > -- > Jeff Haas > NextHop Technologies > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:13:54 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07656 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb94-00033Y-Ny for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:35 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABGDYQI011742 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb94-00033J-KW for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07608; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb92-0005Dp-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb92-0005Dm-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb8V-0002wb-BM; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb7p-0002qA-9x for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07563 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7o-0005Co-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from host19.ipowerweb.com ([12.129.211.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7n-0005CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from dyn132-111.ietf58.ietf.org ([130.129.132.111] helo=GraIyMage.com) by host19.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AJb7L-0006BE-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3FB108E5.5228FB89@GraIyMage.com> From: Eric Gray Reply-To: ewgray@graiymage.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Haas CC: Mareline Sheldon , idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host19.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - graiymage.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:05:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This dialogue is currently a little loose in its use of terminology. The concept of a passive peer is a configuration option and would ideally be configurable on a peer-pair basis. In other words you could configure one peer to be passive relative to one or more other peers specifically. An implementation that arbitrarily (i.e. - for some unspecified reason) chooses to behave passively relative to another peer introduces the very real possibility of having two such peers arbitrarily deciding to behave in a passive way toward each other. These two BGP speakers would never actually peer with each other. From this, you can see that there would be a problem with the notion of a strictly passive peer in general. It would not be able to peer with any other passive BGP speaker. In order for such a BGP speaker to participate in a network with other BGP speakers, all other speakers with which it is supposed to peer would have to be active. -- Eric Jeffrey Haas wrote: > The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > > called "violating the standards" ? > > > > Just curious, > > Regards, > > Mareline S. > > -- > Jeff Haas > NextHop Technologies > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:51:06 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09474; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbjZ-0005sy-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbjZ-0005sv-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbjM-0007qW-HQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbig-0007lA-SP for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09430 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbif-0005rt-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:21 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbie-0005rp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:20 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGo7hO031456; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111650.hABGo7hO031456@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT." <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 In message <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have > | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are > | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. > > Really? > > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am a > ware of a > couple of them which dont. > > And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depen > d upon my > IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my > confusion. > > John > > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive > | into a book on routing. John, I'm not sure what you are arguing. It is common practice to run BGP over your IGP. It is common practice to run BGP on all routers. RR is frequeently used. Some people would like to get BGP out of the core using MPLS/TE but that AFAIK is not yet a widespread practice. There are some routers that don't need to run BGP. Some are on the edges (and can use a default route or default conditional on IGP routing). Perhaps you misread what I was indicating was common practice. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:51:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09536 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbjc-0007v0-LV for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABGpK4T030432 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbjc-0007ul-GO for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09474; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbjZ-0005sy-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbjZ-0005sv-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbjM-0007qW-HQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbig-0007lA-SP for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09430 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbif-0005rt-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:21 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbie-0005rp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:20 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGo7hO031456; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111650.hABGo7hO031456@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT." <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 In message <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have > | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are > | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. > > Really? > > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am a > ware of a > couple of them which dont. > > And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depen > d upon my > IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my > confusion. > > John > > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive > | into a book on routing. John, I'm not sure what you are arguing. It is common practice to run BGP over your IGP. It is common practice to run BGP on all routers. RR is frequeently used. Some people would like to get BGP out of the core using MPLS/TE but that AFAIK is not yet a widespread practice. There are some routers that don't need to run BGP. Some are on the edges (and can use a default route or default conditional on IGP routing). Perhaps you misread what I was indicating was common practice. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:51:50 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09558; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbkH-0005uU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbkH-0005uR-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbkH-0007zH-Ft; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbk7-0007z5-5p for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09528 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u7-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u3-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGpfhO031470; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111651.hABGpfhO031470@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST." <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 In message <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a re > mote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going > against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can thi > s really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it works, then yes, it would be a violation. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 11:52:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09601 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbkK-00082Y-24 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABGq3Mq030846 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbkJ-00081R-Q1 for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09558; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbkH-0005uU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbkH-0005uR-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbkH-0007zH-Ft; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbk7-0007z5-5p for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09528 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u7-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u3-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGpfhO031470; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111651.hABGpfhO031470@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST." <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 In message <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a re > mote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going > against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can thi > s really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it works, then yes, it would be a violation. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 19:18:10 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29981; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJiiD-000519-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJiiD-000514-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJiht-0003zS-GQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJih4-0003yu-0I for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29956 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050T-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.84]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050J-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST From: Mareline Sheldon Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 -0800 (PST) | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it | works, then yes, it would be a violation. Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 19:18:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00004 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJiiG-000425-He for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAC0IOXv015495 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJiiG-00041q-BJ for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29981; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJiiD-000519-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJiiD-000514-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJiht-0003zS-GQ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJih4-0003yu-0I for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29956 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050T-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.84]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050J-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST From: Mareline Sheldon Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 -0800 (PST) | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it | works, then yes, it would be a violation. Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 19:27:52 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00248; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirb-00056F-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirb-00056C-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirZ-0004jd-8R; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirP-0004jD-UI for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00241 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirO-00055w-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:50 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirN-00055e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:49 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAC0RHmU023866; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn3-352.cisco.com [10.21.65.96]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ANM02452; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FB17E63.3040604@cisco.com> From: Robert Raszuk Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mareline Sheldon CC: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:27:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the > network? Nope ... just the opposite :). For starter see draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt R. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 19:28:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00282 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirf-0004m6-8C for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAC0S7Tm018353 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirf-0004lw-0H for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00248; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirb-00056F-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirb-00056C-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirZ-0004jd-8R; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirP-0004jD-UI for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00241 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirO-00055w-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:50 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirN-00055e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:49 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAC0RHmU023866; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn3-352.cisco.com [10.21.65.96]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ANM02452; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FB17E63.3040604@cisco.com> From: Robert Raszuk Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mareline Sheldon CC: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:27:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the > network? Nope ... just the opposite :). For starter see draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt R. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 20:11:16 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02230; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjXZ-0005wL-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:25 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjXY-0005vL-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AJjLm-00052S-Jv; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:59:16 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjLZ-0007KT-Ji; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjKr-0007Jw-KL for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01779 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:06 -0500 (EST) From: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjKp-0005i3-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:15 -0500 Received: from [218.188.19.146] (helo=ns.YTH.COM) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjKd-0005hc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:15 -0500 Received: from smtp0512.mail.yahoo.com ([200.138.238.244]) by ns.YTH.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:57:33 +0800 X-Priority: 3 To: idr@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 00:57:43.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAD1A270:01C3A8B7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id TAA01780 Subject: [Idr] YOUR PARTNERSHIP IS REQUIRED Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:54:49 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DR. MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE= TO IT=92S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCI= ATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSE= CUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. W= ITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK Y= OUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOT= H OF US. 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I HAVE DELIGATED THE MAT= TER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED = THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE = NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THA= T WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSIST= ANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID = FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE = A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS = RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN = THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEF= ICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOU= LD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, W= E WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WIT= H YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE A= MOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM= BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON=92T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN S= ENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDR= ESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO= ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO= FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDI= NG AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. MUSILIU BAKO _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 20:11:23 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02261; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjXg-0005ww-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:32 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjXf-0005vZ-01; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:31 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AJjHw-0004nr-Jt; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjHi-00073m-DD; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjGr-0006yc-TR for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01453 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjGp-0005Zt-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Received: from [218.38.19.179] (helo=wwwkr3.ns3.wwwkr.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjGl-0005W9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Received: from smtp034.mail.yahoo.com ([61.11.79.38]) by wwwkr3.ns3.wwwkr.co.kr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:52:26 +0900 X-Priority: 3 To: idr@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 00:52:49.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B6508E0:01C3A8B7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id TAA01456 Subject: [Idr] YOUR PARTNERSHIP IS REQUIRED Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:48:51 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DR. MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE= TO IT=92S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCI= ATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSE= CUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. W= ITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK Y= OUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOT= H OF US. I WAS AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WITH THE NIGERIAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.= C.).AFTER THE EXIT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT IN MAY 1999, I WAS ASIGNED = TO THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRE= SIDENT, CHIEF OLUSEGUN OBASANJO TO AUDIT AND VERIFY ALL CONTRACT AWARDED = AND EXECUTED DURING THE REGIME OF LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA. IN THE COURSE OF CARRING OUT MY DUTIES,I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF A HU= GE AMOUNT TO THE TUNE OF US$35,600,000.00 FLOATING UNDER THE NAME OF A NON-EXISTING COMPANY AS ALR= EADY VERIFIED BY ME. I PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SAID SU= M RESULTED FROM OVER INVOICING OF SOME ALREADY COMPLETED FOREIGN CONTRACT PAPERS BY A FORMER M= INISTER IN THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA=92S REGIME. I HAVE DELIGATED THE MAT= TER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED = THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE = NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THA= T WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSIST= ANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID = FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE = A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS = RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN = THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEF= ICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOU= LD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, W= E WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WIT= H YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE A= MOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM= BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON=92T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN S= ENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDR= ESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO= ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO= FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDI= NG AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. 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MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE= TO IT=92S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCI= ATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSE= CUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. W= ITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK Y= OUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOT= H OF US. I WAS AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WITH THE NIGERIAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.= C.).AFTER THE EXIT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT IN MAY 1999, I WAS ASIGNED = TO THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRE= SIDENT, CHIEF OLUSEGUN OBASANJO TO AUDIT AND VERIFY ALL CONTRACT AWARDED = AND EXECUTED DURING THE REGIME OF LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA. IN THE COURSE OF CARRING OUT MY DUTIES,I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF A HU= GE AMOUNT TO THE TUNE OF US$35,600,000.00 FLOATING UNDER THE NAME OF A NON-EXISTING COMPANY AS ALR= EADY VERIFIED BY ME. I PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SAID SU= M RESULTED FROM OVER INVOICING OF SOME ALREADY COMPLETED FOREIGN CONTRACT PAPERS BY A FORMER M= INISTER IN THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA=92S REGIME. I HAVE DELIGATED THE MAT= TER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED = THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE = NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THA= T WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSIST= ANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID = FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE = A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS = RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN = THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEF= ICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOU= LD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, W= E WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WIT= H YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE A= MOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM= BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON=92T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN S= ENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDR= ESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO= ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO= FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDI= NG AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. 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MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE= TO IT=92S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCI= ATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSE= CUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. W= ITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK Y= OUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOT= H OF US. I WAS AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WITH THE NIGERIAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.= C.).AFTER THE EXIT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT IN MAY 1999, I WAS ASIGNED = TO THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRE= SIDENT, CHIEF OLUSEGUN OBASANJO TO AUDIT AND VERIFY ALL CONTRACT AWARDED = AND EXECUTED DURING THE REGIME OF LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA. IN THE COURSE OF CARRING OUT MY DUTIES,I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF A HU= GE AMOUNT TO THE TUNE OF US$35,600,000.00 FLOATING UNDER THE NAME OF A NON-EXISTING COMPANY AS ALR= EADY VERIFIED BY ME. I PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SAID SU= M RESULTED FROM OVER INVOICING OF SOME ALREADY COMPLETED FOREIGN CONTRACT PAPERS BY A FORMER M= INISTER IN THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA=92S REGIME. I HAVE DELIGATED THE MAT= TER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED = THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE = NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THA= T WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSIST= ANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID = FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE = A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS = RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN = THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEF= ICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOU= LD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, W= E WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WIT= H YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE A= MOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM= BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON=92T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN S= ENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDR= ESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO= ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO= FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDI= NG AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. MUSILIU BAKO _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Tue Nov 11 23:07:11 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06807; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmHp-0000Eg-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmHp-0000Ed-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmHW-0003Hn-Em; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmGy-0003Go-Q0 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06768 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGt-0000Dj-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:23 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGs-0000DV-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAC467hO035900; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311120406.hAC467hO035900@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST." <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 In message <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? > > Regards, > Mareline S. In really ancient times this was done as needed for bug avoidance (back as far as the BGP2/3 days). Today's routers are a lot less buggy and also better behaved as far as BGP convergence is concerned. Some routers still may behave better on cold startup if all of the BGP sessions are not brought up at once, particularly edge routers with a large number of EBGP sessions. The answers used to be bug avoidance and to impact the order of sessions coming up (ie: tendency for IBGP to come up before EBGP). Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 23:07:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06834 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmHy-0003Pz-0k for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAC47TtS013123 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmHw-0003PR-Uu for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06807; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmHp-0000Eg-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmHp-0000Ed-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmHW-0003Hn-Em; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmGy-0003Go-Q0 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06768 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGt-0000Dj-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:23 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGs-0000DV-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAC467hO035900; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311120406.hAC467hO035900@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST." <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 In message <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? > > Regards, > Mareline S. In really ancient times this was done as needed for bug avoidance (back as far as the BGP2/3 days). Today's routers are a lot less buggy and also better behaved as far as BGP convergence is concerned. Some routers still may behave better on cold startup if all of the BGP sessions are not brought up at once, particularly edge routers with a large number of EBGP sessions. The answers used to be bug avoidance and to impact the order of sessions coming up (ie: tendency for IBGP to come up before EBGP). Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Wed Nov 12 19:43:08 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19793; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5Zu-000265-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5Zt-00025y-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5Zd-0006pn-DH; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5ZF-0006pQ-Qi for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19759 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5ZD-000259-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:35 -0500 Received: from smtp15.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.6.35]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5ZB-00024v-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:34 -0500 Received: from syeds (bb-203-125-73-134.singnet.com.sg [203.125.73.134]) by smtp15.singnet.com.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAD0bJ3j011581 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:42:30 +0800 Message-Id: <200311130042.hAD0bJ3j011581@smtp15.singnet.com.sg> Reply-To: "Roy" From: "Roy" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Idr] Want To Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like A Sponge? Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:40:52 +0800 Soak Up Information
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Helping People Succeed
Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD
will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study!


Good News For The New Year !!
The long awaited release of the CD program called Soak Up Information like a Sponge ! is finally here!

"Learn The Secrets Of Absorbing Information You Read Or Study Readily and Easily For Immediate and Accurate Recall"

This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember any information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area. Instead of trying to cram more information into your overfilled, overtired brain, why not lie back and let your brain do the work for you ? Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study !

   Listening To This CD Will :
  • Noticeably improve your memory, learning ability and recall
  • Immediately boost your creativity
  • Instantly enhance your ability to focus, concentrate and think clearly - the hour after listening to your session will be the most productive of the day!
  • Take you safely and easily into a state of incredibly deep and pleasurable relaxation
  • Lower your stress levels immediately and allow your levels of harmful stress hormones to normalise
  • And most importantly, it will Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like a Sponge !
It is a long awaited product that should be in every home, office and school. The normal selling price is said to be at US$49.55, but if you get your copy now, you will pay only US$29.95, saving yourself nearly half the cost !!!

On top of that we are also giving away 1 CD Free for every purchase!! Yes, you get 2 CDs for the price of 1. This offer is for limited period only.

So why wait? Get a copy for yourself and your loved ones and make the best out of your brain and excel !

Payment is processed by PayPal, one of the largest online credit card processors in the World. They will keep your credit card details 100% safe. So safe, in fact, that we can't even see them.

How else can you get effective study done in 90 mins when you used to spend 8 hours doing it earlier ? Get your CD now ! Limited sets are available for this release.

Media Article : Visitors to the National Library Book Fair 'soak up' release of new, amazing CD, ' Soak Up Information Like A Sponge'.
New self help CD release Sold Out in 3 days !

The crowd just went crazy at booth 21 of the Singapore Expo hall last week. They all wanted to get their hands on the limited edition release of the CD that can help transform the brain into a sponge and helps to improve one' s memory, learning ability and recall.

Not Just Targeted at Young Readers
Initially targeted at young readers and the school going audience, many adults were also grabbing copies of the CD, which also helps to take you safely and easily into a state of incredibly deep and pleasurable relaxation, and thus Lowers stress levels immediately and allows levels of harmful stress hormones to normalize.

Read what Ms Anita has to say
Ms. Anita who was one of the first few to get herself a copy said, 'It is very relaxing and I am feeling very good now. ' She is awaiting her 'O' level results and wished she had a copy of it a few months ago while she was studying for her exams. She felt that it would have allowed her to sail through easily and would have helped her get better grades.

Opens You To A Whole New Learning Experience
This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember all information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area.

Feedback from The Director of Education
Mr. Manson, a Director of Education with one of the leading private schools said that he is considering ordering a copy for all his students as part of their welcome orientation package. This order could be as large as 3,000 copies every 3 months for his school.

Doubtful about the effectiveness and results?
In all the bash, some people were not that excited about the launch. Tina for one said, ' I think that most people may use the CD once or twice, but after that they will not. So I wonder whether it will be that beneficial. '

Some words from The CD Creator himself
We spoke to the creator of the CD, Pal, PhD(c) and he mentioned that though each and every single independent use is effective, but to have a permanent effect, a person needs to use it regularly for at least 21 to 28 days. Then a tremendous positive change will be seen and the person will not only be more creative, less stressed but in general show a progress in all facets of life.

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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 12 19:43:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19837 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5Zx-0006sG-H8 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAD0hL8b026418 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5Zx-0006s1-De for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19793; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5Zu-000265-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5Zt-00025y-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5Zd-0006pn-DH; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5ZF-0006pQ-Qi for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19759 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5ZD-000259-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:35 -0500 Received: from smtp15.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.6.35]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5ZB-00024v-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:42:34 -0500 Received: from syeds (bb-203-125-73-134.singnet.com.sg [203.125.73.134]) by smtp15.singnet.com.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAD0bJ3j011581 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:42:30 +0800 Message-Id: <200311130042.hAD0bJ3j011581@smtp15.singnet.com.sg> Reply-To: "Roy" From: "Roy" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Idr] Want To Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like A Sponge? Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:40:52 +0800 Soak Up Information
.
Helping People Succeed
Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD
will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study!


Good News For The New Year !!
The long awaited release of the CD program called Soak Up Information like a Sponge ! is finally here!

"Learn The Secrets Of Absorbing Information You Read Or Study Readily and Easily For Immediate and Accurate Recall"

This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember any information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area. Instead of trying to cram more information into your overfilled, overtired brain, why not lie back and let your brain do the work for you ? Studying for 90 mins after listening to the CD will be equivalent to 8 hours of normal study !

   Listening To This CD Will :
  • Noticeably improve your memory, learning ability and recall
  • Immediately boost your creativity
  • Instantly enhance your ability to focus, concentrate and think clearly - the hour after listening to your session will be the most productive of the day!
  • Take you safely and easily into a state of incredibly deep and pleasurable relaxation
  • Lower your stress levels immediately and allow your levels of harmful stress hormones to normalise
  • And most importantly, it will Make Your Brain Soak Up Information Like a Sponge !
It is a long awaited product that should be in every home, office and school. The normal selling price is said to be at US$49.55, but if you get your copy now, you will pay only US$29.95, saving yourself nearly half the cost !!!

On top of that we are also giving away 1 CD Free for every purchase!! Yes, you get 2 CDs for the price of 1. This offer is for limited period only.

So why wait? Get a copy for yourself and your loved ones and make the best out of your brain and excel !

Payment is processed by PayPal, one of the largest online credit card processors in the World. They will keep your credit card details 100% safe. So safe, in fact, that we can't even see them.

How else can you get effective study done in 90 mins when you used to spend 8 hours doing it earlier ? Get your CD now ! Limited sets are available for this release.

Media Article : Visitors to the National Library Book Fair 'soak up' release of new, amazing CD, ' Soak Up Information Like A Sponge'.
New self help CD release Sold Out in 3 days !

The crowd just went crazy at booth 21 of the Singapore Expo hall last week. They all wanted to get their hands on the limited edition release of the CD that can help transform the brain into a sponge and helps to improve one' s memory, learning ability and recall.

Not Just Targeted at Young Readers
Initially targeted at young readers and the school going audience, many adults were also grabbing copies of the CD, which also helps to take you safely and easily into a state of incredibly deep and pleasurable relaxation, and thus Lowers stress levels immediately and allows levels of harmful stress hormones to normalize.

Read what Ms Anita has to say
Ms. Anita who was one of the first few to get herself a copy said, 'It is very relaxing and I am feeling very good now. ' She is awaiting her 'O' level results and wished she had a copy of it a few months ago while she was studying for her exams. She felt that it would have allowed her to sail through easily and would have helped her get better grades.

Opens You To A Whole New Learning Experience
This CD helps you program yourself for success and you will remember all information you read, see, hear about or receive in any format. It is great for students and also working adults alike. In today's information age, we need all the help that we can get to excel in this area.

Feedback from The Director of Education
Mr. Manson, a Director of Education with one of the leading private schools said that he is considering ordering a copy for all his students as part of their welcome orientation package. This order could be as large as 3,000 copies every 3 months for his school.

Doubtful about the effectiveness and results?
In all the bash, some people were not that excited about the launch. Tina for one said, ' I think that most people may use the CD once or twice, but after that they will not. So I wonder whether it will be that beneficial. '

Some words from The CD Creator himself
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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Wed Nov 12 20:06:55 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20720; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wv-0002VF-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wu-0002VC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:07:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5ws-0007uh-9U; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5wa-0007tu-Og for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20709 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wY-0002Uz-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:42 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wY-0002UN-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:42 -0500 Received: from aretana-u10.cisco.com (aretana-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.77]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAD169iO015083; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: Alvaro Retana To: idr@ietf.org cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:06:09 -0800 (PST) Hi! This e-mail is to start the process of collecting information to be able to create an Implementation Report of BGP-4. As all of you know, an implementation report is a necessary step to advance the current BGP-4 draft. I have compiled the requirements (rfc2119) from the latest draft into a spreadsheet. Please download the spreadsheet, fill it out and send it back to me -- I will compile all the answers and publish an ID later on. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.xls Due to the length of the latest ID and the number of items, an Excel spreasheet was the easiest way to present the information (and later process it). If you need a different format, please let me know. BTW, we're shooting for the end of the month (Nov/26 -- right before Thanksgiving here in the US) to start compiling the information, so please turn it your data by then. Thanks! 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This e-mail is to start the process of collecting information to be able to create an Implementation Report of BGP-4. As all of you know, an implementation report is a necessary step to advance the current BGP-4 draft. I have compiled the requirements (rfc2119) from the latest draft into a spreadsheet. Please download the spreadsheet, fill it out and send it back to me -- I will compile all the answers and publish an ID later on. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.xls Due to the length of the latest ID and the number of items, an Excel spreasheet was the easiest way to present the information (and later process it). If you need a different format, please let me know. BTW, we're shooting for the end of the month (Nov/26 -- right before Thanksgiving here in the US) to start compiling the information, so please turn it your data by then. Thanks! Alvaro. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Wed Nov 12 21:56:12 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23733; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vY-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vT-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eL-00050R-RP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zP-Ea for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23695 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eA-0003uB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:50 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e9-0003th-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8C02D48C4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96626-01-50 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057B52D48CD for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:17 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB. 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Wed Nov 12 21:56:12 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23735; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003va-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vU-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eM-00050g-FE; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zO-Fq for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org 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urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Agenda and presentations Thread-Index: AcOpkHhlMq9KfmjNSnW9JSAU7ctVRg== From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Agenda and presentations Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all: The IDR agenda and presentations for the 11/13/03 meeting at 1-3pm are posted on the web site: www.ndzh.com/idr The web site is my personal web site. Any complaints should to me (shares@nexthop.com). I've posted the presentations ahead of time so that you can pre-view the topics. The presenters may modify the presentations (slightly) based on conversations here at the IETF. I will re-post any changed presentations and send mail to the list. Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 12 21:56:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23785 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7el-00058e-6I for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAD2uRVw019746 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7el-00058P-29 for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23735; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003va-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vU-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eM-00050g-FE; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zO-Fq for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23692 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e8-0003u6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:49 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e8-0003tg-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D22D48D7 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96626-01-49 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084232D48C7 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:17 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Agenda and presentations Thread-Index: AcOpkHhlMq9KfmjNSnW9JSAU7ctVRg== From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Agenda and presentations Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all: The IDR agenda and presentations for the 11/13/03 meeting at 1-3pm are posted on the web site: www.ndzh.com/idr The web site is my personal web site. Any complaints should to me (shares@nexthop.com). I've posted the presentations ahead of time so that you can pre-view the topics. The presenters may modify the presentations (slightly) based on conversations here at the IETF. I will re-post any changed presentations and send mail to the list. Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 12 21:56:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23788 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7ek-00058O-Pi for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAD2uQei019730 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7ek-000588-M1 for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23733; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vY-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eg-0003vT-00; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eL-00050R-RP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zP-Ea for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23695 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eA-0003uB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:50 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e9-0003th-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8C02D48C4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96626-01-50 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057B52D48CD for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:17 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB. 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Thu Nov 13 04:55:24 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18684; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKECL-0001rN-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKECL-0001rK-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBq-0006XY-5H; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBT-0006Ws-MD for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org 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charset="iso-8859-1" Mr. Tafa Momoh Habinson International Trust Bank PLC Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street, Victoria Island, Lagos. ATTN: MD/CEO I am Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations with Habinson International Trust Bank, Victoria Island Branch, Lagos, Nigeria. I have an urgent and very profitable business proposition for you that should be handled with extreme confidentiality. On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred United States Dollars Only) in my branch. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James Herbert died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, we found out that he died without making a Will and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully moved out of my bank to a Security Company in Europe for safekeeping. No one will ever come forward to claim it and according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5 years the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6 million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security Company in Europe. I contacted you because it is against our code of ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your assistance would be needed to claim the money in the Security Company in Europe. We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum would be for you if you agree to take part in this profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay back the expenses that may be incurred during the course of the transaction by both parties after the fund has been claimed and lodged in your account. In the event that you are genuinely interested in the transaction,the following information would be needed from you to expedite action. 1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to establish you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund. This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe releases the Consignment/Fund to you. 2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where you can be reached at all time because this transaction entails constant communication. The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of the transaction. If you are interested, send the requested information via email number stated below so that we can proceed. I await your response urgently. Regards, Mr.Tafa Momoh Director, Foreign Operations With best regards, Tafa Momoh momoh@ureach.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Mr. Tafa Momoh
Habinson International Trust Bank PLC
Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street,
Victoria Island, Lagos.
 
 
ATTN: MD/CEO
 
I am  Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations
with Habinson International Trust Bank,
Victoria Island Branch, Lagos,  Nigeria.
 
I have an urgent and very profitable business
proposition for you that should be handled with
extreme confidentiality.
 
On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and
contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum
Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a
numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months
valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred
United States Dollars Only) in my branch.
 
Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in
accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding
address but got no reply.
 
After a month we sent a reminder and finally we
discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James
Herbert died from an automobile accident.
 
On further investigation, we found out that he died
without making a Will and all attempts to trace his
next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further
investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert
did not declare any next of kin or relations in all
his official documents including his Bank Deposit
paperwork in my Bank.
 
This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully  moved out of
my bank to a Security Company in Europe for
safekeeping.
 
No one will ever come forward to claim it and
according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5
years the money will revert to the ownership of the
Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the
fund.
 
This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front
you as the next of kin of our late client thereby
making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6
million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security
Company in Europe.
 
I contacted you because it is against our code of
ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your
assistance would be needed to claim the money in the
Security Company in Europe.
 
We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum
would be for you if you agree to take part in this
profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my
colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay
back the expenses that may be incurred during the
course of the transaction by both parties after the
fund has been claimed and lodged in your account.
 
In the event that you are genuinely interested in the
transaction,the following information would be needed
from you to expedite action.
 
1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to
establish you as the next of kin of our late client
thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund.
This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe
releases the Consignment/Fund to you.
 
2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where
you can be reached at all time because this
transaction entails constant communication.
 
 
The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities
has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of
the transaction.
 
If you are interested, send the requested information
via email number stated below so that we can proceed.     
 
 
I await your response urgently.
 
Regards,
 
Mr.Tafa Momoh
Director, Foreign Operations
 
With best regards,
Tafa Momoh
momoh@ureach.com
 
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 13 04:55:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18717 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKECT-0006bf-23 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:41 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAD9tfCp025394 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKECP-0006bJ-RJ for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18684; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKECL-0001rN-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKECL-0001rK-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBq-0006XY-5H; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBT-0006Ws-MD for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18659 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKEBQ-0001qo-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:36 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKEAk-0001qJ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:04 -0500 From: "Tafa Momoh" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Reply-To: "Tafa Momoh" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Urgent Assistance Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:53:59 -0800 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mr. Tafa Momoh Habinson International Trust Bank PLC Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street, Victoria Island, Lagos. ATTN: MD/CEO I am Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations with Habinson International Trust Bank, Victoria Island Branch, Lagos, Nigeria. I have an urgent and very profitable business proposition for you that should be handled with extreme confidentiality. On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred United States Dollars Only) in my branch. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James Herbert died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, we found out that he died without making a Will and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully moved out of my bank to a Security Company in Europe for safekeeping. No one will ever come forward to claim it and according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5 years the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6 million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security Company in Europe. I contacted you because it is against our code of ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your assistance would be needed to claim the money in the Security Company in Europe. We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum would be for you if you agree to take part in this profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay back the expenses that may be incurred during the course of the transaction by both parties after the fund has been claimed and lodged in your account. In the event that you are genuinely interested in the transaction,the following information would be needed from you to expedite action. 1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to establish you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund. This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe releases the Consignment/Fund to you. 2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where you can be reached at all time because this transaction entails constant communication. The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of the transaction. If you are interested, send the requested information via email number stated below so that we can proceed. I await your response urgently. Regards, Mr.Tafa Momoh Director, Foreign Operations With best regards, Tafa Momoh momoh@ureach.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Mr. Tafa Momoh
Habinson International Trust Bank PLC
Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street,
Victoria Island, Lagos.
 
 
ATTN: MD/CEO
 
I am  Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations
with Habinson International Trust Bank,
Victoria Island Branch, Lagos,  Nigeria.
 
I have an urgent and very profitable business
proposition for you that should be handled with
extreme confidentiality.
 
On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and
contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum
Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a
numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months
valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred
United States Dollars Only) in my branch.
 
Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in
accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding
address but got no reply.
 
After a month we sent a reminder and finally we
discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James
Herbert died from an automobile accident.
 
On further investigation, we found out that he died
without making a Will and all attempts to trace his
next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further
investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert
did not declare any next of kin or relations in all
his official documents including his Bank Deposit
paperwork in my Bank.
 
This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully  moved out of
my bank to a Security Company in Europe for
safekeeping.
 
No one will ever come forward to claim it and
according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5
years the money will revert to the ownership of the
Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the
fund.
 
This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front
you as the next of kin of our late client thereby
making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6
million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security
Company in Europe.
 
I contacted you because it is against our code of
ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your
assistance would be needed to claim the money in the
Security Company in Europe.
 
We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum
would be for you if you agree to take part in this
profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my
colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay
back the expenses that may be incurred during the
course of the transaction by both parties after the
fund has been claimed and lodged in your account.
 
In the event that you are genuinely interested in the
transaction,the following information would be needed
from you to expedite action.
 
1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to
establish you as the next of kin of our late client
thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund.
This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe
releases the Consignment/Fund to you.
 
2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where
you can be reached at all time because this
transaction entails constant communication.
 
 
The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities
has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of
the transaction.
 
If you are interested, send the requested information
via email number stated below so that we can proceed.     
 
 
I await your response urgently.
 
Regards,
 
Mr.Tafa Momoh
Director, Foreign Operations
 
With best regards,
Tafa Momoh
momoh@ureach.com
 
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Thu Nov 13 12:19:20 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08948; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7z-0001Hm-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:31 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7y-0001Hj-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKL7V-0005xA-HU; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKL7O-0005wR-O9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08891 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7N-0001GK-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:53 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7M-0001G0-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA552D48DB for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16914-01-96 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8862D48CC for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224" Subject: FW: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vAAcD81w From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The MIB implementation reports should be sent to me by 2 weeks from today (11/27). Sue Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hares=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:55 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: yakov@juniper.net Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB. Implementers of the BGP v1 MIB can fill out the survey at www.ndzh.com/idr (or the file attached). 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with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7M-0001G0-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA552D48DB for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16914-01-96 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8862D48CC for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224" Subject: FW: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vAAcD81w From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The MIB implementation reports should be sent to me by 2 weeks from today (11/27). Sue Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hares=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:55 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: yakov@juniper.net Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB. Implementers of the BGP v1 MIB can fill out the survey at www.ndzh.com/idr (or the file attached). 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Thu Nov 13 22:13:18 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08430; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUOl-00042N-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:28 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUOl-00042I-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUOM-0000YZ-1p; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUNt-0000Xs-Qm for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08399 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00041R-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00040X-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2003 19:14:31 -0800 Received: from aretana-u10.cisco.com (aretana-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.77]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAE3Bww6024726; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alvaro Retana To: idr@ietf.org cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report In-Reply-To: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> Message-ID: References: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> X-Save: y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) By popular demand, I just published some extra formats: ;-) ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.pdf ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.csv ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.html Note that the html version didn't come out too good (some of the lines don't seem to show up for me using Netscape), but at least people can read it. If possible, I would prefer either xls/csv or txt with the data to be processed. Thanks! Alvaro. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 13 22:13:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08485 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUOq-0000gd-Em for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:34 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAE3DWAC002633 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUOq-0000gO-AW for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08430; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUOl-00042N-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:28 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUOl-00042I-00; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUOM-0000YZ-1p; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUNt-0000Xs-Qm for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08399 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00041R-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00040X-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2003 19:14:31 -0800 Received: from aretana-u10.cisco.com (aretana-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.77]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAE3Bww6024726; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alvaro Retana To: idr@ietf.org cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report In-Reply-To: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> Message-ID: References: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> X-Save: y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) By popular demand, I just published some extra formats: ;-) ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.pdf ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.csv ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.html Note that the html version didn't come out too good (some of the lines don't seem to show up for me using Netscape), but at least people can read it. If possible, I would prefer either xls/csv or txt with the data to be processed. Thanks! Alvaro. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 14 21:56:04 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA10924; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqbf-000156-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqbf-000153-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqbR-000821-WC; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqav-00081G-7f for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA10910 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqas-00014i-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:26 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqar-00014e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:25 -0500 Received: from [80.88.142.27] (helo=coolre4299.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKqas-0007Eh-U9 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:27 -0500 From: "BARRISTER. ROTIMI EMMANUEL" Reply-To: rotimyyiemanuel@voila.fr To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] I NEED YOU FULL CO-OPERATION PLEASE !!! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:55:01 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROTIMI EMMANUEL=2E & ASSOCIATE SOLICITORS & ADVOCATES NO 47 OPEBI ROAD IKEJA LAGOS NIGERIA=2E Dear Sir=2FMadam=2C Before I start=2CI must first Apologies for this unsolicited mail to you=2EI am aware that this is certainly an unconventional approach to starting a relationship but as time goes on you will realize the need for my action=2E My name is ROTIMI EMMANUEL=2E a Solicitor and the personal Attorney to the Executive Director of an oil company from your country=2C who worked in conjuction with an Oil company in Nigeria to execute a contract which was awarded to them=2EHere in after referred to as my Client=2E On the 21st of April 1999=2Cmy client=2Chis wife and their three children were involved in a Ghastly motor accident along Sagamu Express road=2EMy Client and his entire family unfortunately lost their lives in the accident=2ESince then I have made several enquiries to your Embassy to locate any of my Client's extended relatives which has proved abortive=2EAfter these several unsuccessful attempts=2C hence the need to contact you=2E My main reason for contacting you is to assist me in repatriating the money and properties left behind by my Client before they are confiscated or declared unservicable by the bank where they are deposited and lodged=2EParticularly the Union Bank PLC where the deceased has a fixed sum of Nineteen Million United States Dollars=2E The said bank has issued me a final notice to provide the next of kin of my Client or they will be left with no other choice than to confiscate his funds=2E Since I have been unsuccessful in locating my clients relatives for the past two years I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of my client=2Cgoing by the fact that you are from the same country=2C that the said fund as stated above i=2Ee the sum of Nineteen million United States Dollars can be paid to you instead of leaving for it for Central Bank Of Nigeria=2Cwe can take part of it and leave the rest for Charity=2E I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make=2EAll I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this arrangement through=2E I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law=2EPlease reply by this email address above=2E Finally kindly give me your confidential Phone and fax numbers so that I can communicate with you easily=2E Best regards=2C BARRISTER=2E ROTIMI EMMANUEL =2E NB=3A PLEASE=2C I WANT YOU TO REPLY ME THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS=3Artimmy000us=40voila=2Efr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 21:56:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA10956 for ; 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ROTIMI EMMANUEL" Reply-To: rotimyyiemanuel@voila.fr To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] I NEED YOU FULL CO-OPERATION PLEASE !!! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:55:01 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ROTIMI EMMANUEL=2E & ASSOCIATE SOLICITORS & ADVOCATES NO 47 OPEBI ROAD IKEJA LAGOS NIGERIA=2E Dear Sir=2FMadam=2C Before I start=2CI must first Apologies for this unsolicited mail to you=2EI am aware that this is certainly an unconventional approach to starting a relationship but as time goes on you will realize the need for my action=2E My name is ROTIMI EMMANUEL=2E a Solicitor and the personal Attorney to the Executive Director of an oil company from your country=2C who worked in conjuction with an Oil company in Nigeria to execute a contract which was awarded to them=2EHere in after referred to as my Client=2E On the 21st of April 1999=2Cmy client=2Chis wife and their three children were involved in a Ghastly motor accident along Sagamu Express road=2EMy Client and his entire family unfortunately lost their lives in the accident=2ESince then I have made several enquiries to your Embassy to locate any of my Client's extended relatives which has proved abortive=2EAfter these several unsuccessful attempts=2C hence the need to contact you=2E My main reason for contacting you is to assist me in repatriating the money and properties left behind by my Client before they are confiscated or declared unservicable by the bank where they are deposited and lodged=2EParticularly the Union Bank PLC where the deceased has a fixed sum of Nineteen Million United States Dollars=2E The said bank has issued me a final notice to provide the next of kin of my Client or they will be left with no other choice than to confiscate his funds=2E Since I have been unsuccessful in locating my clients relatives for the past two years I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of my client=2Cgoing by the fact that you are from the same country=2C that the said fund as stated above i=2Ee the sum of Nineteen million United States Dollars can be paid to you instead of leaving for it for Central Bank Of Nigeria=2Cwe can take part of it and leave the rest for Charity=2E I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make=2EAll I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this arrangement through=2E I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law=2EPlease reply by this email address above=2E Finally kindly give me your confidential Phone and fax numbers so that I can communicate with you easily=2E Best regards=2C BARRISTER=2E ROTIMI EMMANUEL =2E NB=3A PLEASE=2C I WANT YOU TO REPLY ME THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS=3Artimmy000us=40voila=2Efr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 00:14:17 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14304; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKslR-0002nr-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKslR-0002nm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskz-0008FZ-EZ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskp-0008FM-1T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14285 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nT-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Received: from web21505.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.16]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST From: Hunju Park To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) Hi, I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous connections between two BGP speakers. ------- ------- | |--- . . -- | | | A |--- . . -- | B | -------- -------- I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore this if it already has a connection with a router having the same router ID. This can also prevent it in situations when one of the routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as this router will not peer with the router having the same Router ID .. but this can create problems when you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she can use loopback addresses. Any comments, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 15 00:14:53 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14327 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKslY-0008IE-D6 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAF5EaxA031872 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKslW-0008Hz-QS for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14304; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKslR-0002nr-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKslR-0002nm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskz-0008FZ-EZ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskp-0008FM-1T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14285 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nT-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Received: from web21505.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.16]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST From: Hunju Park To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) Hi, I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous connections between two BGP speakers. ------- ------- | |--- . . -- | | | A |--- . . -- | B | -------- -------- I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore this if it already has a connection with a router having the same router ID. This can also prevent it in situations when one of the routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as this router will not peer with the router having the same Router ID .. but this can create problems when you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she can use loopback addresses. Any comments, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 20:52:09 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29078; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC5L-0001ni-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC5K-0001ne-00; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALC54-0005Z8-2x; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALC4D-0005XO-VJ for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA28999 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC4A-0001lP-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:06 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC4A-0001lJ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:06 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=ok6839.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALC46-0005N8-8s for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:03 -0500 From: "Prince Sam Eguzo" Reply-To: princesam_eguzo@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:49:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Prince Sam Eguzo Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I=2C on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Ten Million=2Cfive Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 into your bank account=2E These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors=2EWe=2Cas holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals=2C were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Fiftheen Million=2C five Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 lying in a suspended Account=2E However=2C from our investigations=2C we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated=2C and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria=2C thus providing us with this opportunity=2C provided that we have a capable partner=2C to execute a transaction of this nature=2E We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm=2Fassociate=2E This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account=2E In our initial attempt to do this=2C we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m =28Five Million Dollars=29 into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut=2C Lebanon=2C but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money=2E As a result=2C we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion=2C and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved=2C we have cancelled further transactions with him=2E In the light of the foregoing=2C it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter=2C but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction=2E We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services=2Fassistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project=2E We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part=2C but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information=2E I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions=2Fenquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail=2C for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction=2E In your reply=2C remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you=2E Hope to hear from you soon=2E Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency=2E Yours faithfully=2C Prince Sam Eguzo _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 15 20:52:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA29123 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:49:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Prince Sam Eguzo Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I=2C on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Ten Million=2Cfive Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 into your bank account=2E These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors=2EWe=2Cas holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals=2C were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Fiftheen Million=2C five Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 lying in a suspended Account=2E However=2C from our investigations=2C we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated=2C and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria=2C thus providing us with this opportunity=2C provided that we have a capable partner=2C to execute a transaction of this nature=2E We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm=2Fassociate=2E This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account=2E In our initial attempt to do this=2C we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m =28Five Million Dollars=29 into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut=2C Lebanon=2C but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money=2E As a result=2C we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion=2C and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved=2C we have cancelled further transactions with him=2E In the light of the foregoing=2C it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter=2C but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction=2E We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services=2Fassistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project=2E We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part=2C but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information=2E I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions=2Fenquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail=2C for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction=2E In your reply=2C remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you=2E Hope to hear from you soon=2E Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency=2E Yours faithfully=2C Prince Sam Eguzo _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 23:38:03 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04192; 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Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:55 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=2mails738.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALEfZ-0003kF-Q8 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:55 -0500 From: "Dr Sam Patrick" Reply-To: drsampatrick@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:36:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr Sam Patrick Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I=2C on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Ten Million=2Cfive Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 into your bank account=2E These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors=2EWe=2Cas holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals=2C were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Fiftheen Million=2C five Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 lying in a suspended Account=2E However=2C from our investigations=2C we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated=2C and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria=2C thus providing us with this opportunity=2C provided that we have a capable partner=2C to execute a transaction of this nature=2E We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm=2Fassociate=2E This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account=2E In our initial attempt to do this=2C we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m =28Five Million Dollars=29 into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut=2C Lebanon=2C but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money=2E As a result=2C we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion=2C and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved=2C we have cancelled further transactions with him=2E In the light of the foregoing=2C it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter=2C but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction=2E We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services=2Fassistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project=2E We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part=2C but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information=2E I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions=2Fenquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail=2C for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction=2E In your reply=2C remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you=2E Hope to hear from you soon=2E Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency=2E Yours faithfully=2C Dr Sam Patrick _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 15 23:38:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04227 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:36:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr Sam Patrick Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I=2C on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Ten Million=2Cfive Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 into your bank account=2E These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors=2EWe=2Cas holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals=2C were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15=2C500=2C000=2E00 =28Fiftheen Million=2C five Hundred Thousand US Dollars=29 lying in a suspended Account=2E However=2C from our investigations=2C we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated=2C and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria=2C thus providing us with this opportunity=2C provided that we have a capable partner=2C to execute a transaction of this nature=2E We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm=2Fassociate=2E This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account=2E In our initial attempt to do this=2C we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m =28Five Million Dollars=29 into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut=2C Lebanon=2C but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money=2E As a result=2C we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion=2C and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved=2C we have cancelled further transactions with him=2E In the light of the foregoing=2C it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter=2C but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction=2E We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services=2Fassistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project=2E We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part=2C but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information=2E I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions=2Fenquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail=2C for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction=2E In your reply=2C remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you=2E Hope to hear from you soon=2E Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency=2E Yours faithfully=2C Dr Sam Patrick _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 00:36:00 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06042; 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Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:28 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=ab97c1008.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALFZJ-0005aS-L7 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:31 -0500 From: "Samuel Taylor" Reply-To: drsamuel_taylor@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Appenzll Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:34:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 16th November 2003 Good Day=2C I wish to introduce myself to you=2E My name is Samuel Taylor=2E I am the brother to the president of Liberia Mr=2E Charles Taylor=2EDue to the present war in my country Liberia=2C I wish to invest in Hotels and commercial properties in your counry=2EMyself=2C wife and children managed to get on a Red Cross airplane that was evacuating foreigners from the theatre of war in my country and presently=2C we are in a refugee camp in a region called Appenzll on the Swiss border=2EYour assistance and coopration is required as regards this project=2E Please send an e-mail to me indicating your desire to help me and my family invest this funds=2E I await your positive response to my e-mail letter God bless=2E Samuel Taylor _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 16 00:36:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06090 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] Appenzll Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:34:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 16th November 2003 Good Day=2C I wish to introduce myself to you=2E My name is Samuel Taylor=2E I am the brother to the president of Liberia Mr=2E Charles Taylor=2EDue to the present war in my country Liberia=2C I wish to invest in Hotels and commercial properties in your counry=2EMyself=2C wife and children managed to get on a Red Cross airplane that was evacuating foreigners from the theatre of war in my country and presently=2C we are in a refugee camp in a region called Appenzll on the Swiss border=2EYour assistance and coopration is required as regards this project=2E Please send an e-mail to me indicating your desire to help me and my family invest this funds=2E I await your positive response to my e-mail letter God bless=2E Samuel Taylor _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 10:24:44 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15384; 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Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.11.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLfF98665; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLat59226; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> To: Hunju Park cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST." <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60326.1069082496.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 Park, > Hi, > > I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous > connections between two BGP speakers. > > ------- ------- > | |--- . . -- | | > | A |--- . . -- | B | > -------- -------- According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each connection uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). Yakov. > I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this > should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter > ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore > this if it already has a connection with a router > having the same router ID. > > This can also prevent it in situations when one of the > routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong > router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as > this router will not peer with the router having the > same Router ID .. but this can create problems when > you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. > > And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she > can use loopback addresses. > > Any comments, > Park > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 10:25:16 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15435 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlFK-0003PD-7o for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:58 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAHFOwxm013085 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlFK-0003Oy-1j for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15384; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlFH-0007jc-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:55 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlFG-0007jX-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:54 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlEP-0003HW-6r; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlDY-0003E1-UQ for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15297 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlDV-0007iT-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:05 -0500 Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlDU-0007i6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.11.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLfF98665; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLat59226; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> To: Hunju Park cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST." <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60326.1069082496.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 Park, > Hi, > > I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous > connections between two BGP speakers. > > ------- ------- > | |--- . . -- | | > | A |--- . . -- | B | > -------- -------- According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each connection uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). Yakov. > I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this > should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter > ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore > this if it already has a connection with a router > having the same router ID. > > This can also prevent it in situations when one of the > routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong > router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as > this router will not peer with the router having the > same Router ID .. but this can create problems when > you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. > > And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she > can use loopback addresses. > > Any comments, > Park > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 19:36:09 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15627; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtqs-0002Lj-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtqs-0002Lg-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtqc-0002C1-1J; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtpv-00029F-Ql for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15557 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpu-0002LI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:18 -0500 Received: from web21510.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.59]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpt-0002LF-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118003516.54552.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. To: Yakov Rekhter Cc: idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0500 (EST) Yakov, Thanks for responding, however i have a small doubt. > According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each > connection > uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). > I would have understood had you said that its valid as long as both sides use distinct source and dest IP addresses. What i dont understand is how can it work with just one side using a unique source IP or dest IP address. Lets assume Router A uses its two interfaces to establish a BGP connection, while Router B just uses one interface. On Router B I can say, neighbor 1.1.1.1 remote-as X neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X where 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.2 both belong to A But what will i define on Router A? neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y where i assume 3.3.3.3 belongs to Router B? I can understand that the spec allows if both sides use a distinct source and dest IP address. But how can it work as the way you said. Or maybe i missed your point. Regards, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 19:36:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15656 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtqv-0002Lt-0k for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAI0aKqu009035 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtqu-0002Le-S1 for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15627; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtqs-0002Lj-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtqs-0002Lg-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtqc-0002C1-1J; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtpv-00029F-Ql for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15557 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpu-0002LI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:18 -0500 Received: from web21510.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.59]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpt-0002LF-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118003516.54552.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. To: Yakov Rekhter Cc: idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0500 (EST) Yakov, Thanks for responding, however i have a small doubt. > According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each > connection > uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). > I would have understood had you said that its valid as long as both sides use distinct source and dest IP addresses. What i dont understand is how can it work with just one side using a unique source IP or dest IP address. Lets assume Router A uses its two interfaces to establish a BGP connection, while Router B just uses one interface. On Router B I can say, neighbor 1.1.1.1 remote-as X neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X where 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.2 both belong to A But what will i define on Router A? neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y where i assume 3.3.3.3 belongs to Router B? I can understand that the spec allows if both sides use a distinct source and dest IP address. But how can it work as the way you said. Or maybe i missed your point. Regards, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 23:46:05 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22529; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkl-0005Zr-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkl-0005Zo-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkX-00067r-Fv; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkF-000664-Fp for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22509 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkD-0005WC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 Received: from web21501.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.12]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkC-0005W9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118044541.71866.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: marelines@yahoo.com Cc: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Mareline, > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not > increase the convergence time in the network? You may not always want to configure a "passive" peer, sometimes it just becomes one. For eg. Consider two routers A and B. A has two interfaces say, 3.3.3.3/24 and 4.4.4.4/24 while B has just one interface 2.2.2.2 I configure A as neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X while i configure B as neighbor 4.4.4.4 remote-as X Now suppose that the best path for Router A to reach B is through its 3.3.3.3 interface. This is possible based on the IGP routes that one has in a network. If this is so, then router A sends a TCP SYN destined to 2.2.2.2 from its interface 3.3.3.3. B on the other hand, sends a TCP SYN to Router A from 2.2.2.2 to A's 4.4.4.4 B will reject the TCP request that it receives from A as its not configured for 3.3.3.3 Thus there is only one way for A to establish a BGP connection with router B and it is through the TCP session that has been initiated by router B. Thus router A acts as a passive peer and can only wait for a connection that has been initiated from router B. This is my understanding of the new FSM that has been put forth in the new bgp draft. Folks, Extrapolating this further, an interesting scenario will arise when because of some IGP routes both the routers are able to reach each other through different interfaces than what they are configured to peer with. Eg. A tries to reach B thru 3.3.3.3, while router B tries to contact router A thru some other interface, say 5.5.5.5 Both will then act as passive peers as their active TCP probe will be rejected by the other. How will then the session take place? I guess we would need human intervention then. Regards, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 17 23:46:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22553 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxko-0006AU-FG for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAI4kITA023708 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxko-0006AI-Bd for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22529; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkl-0005Zr-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkl-0005Zo-00; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkX-00067r-Fv; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkF-000664-Fp for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22509 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkD-0005WC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 Received: from web21501.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.12]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkC-0005W9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118044541.71866.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: marelines@yahoo.com Cc: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Mareline, > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not > increase the convergence time in the network? You may not always want to configure a "passive" peer, sometimes it just becomes one. For eg. Consider two routers A and B. A has two interfaces say, 3.3.3.3/24 and 4.4.4.4/24 while B has just one interface 2.2.2.2 I configure A as neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X while i configure B as neighbor 4.4.4.4 remote-as X Now suppose that the best path for Router A to reach B is through its 3.3.3.3 interface. This is possible based on the IGP routes that one has in a network. If this is so, then router A sends a TCP SYN destined to 2.2.2.2 from its interface 3.3.3.3. B on the other hand, sends a TCP SYN to Router A from 2.2.2.2 to A's 4.4.4.4 B will reject the TCP request that it receives from A as its not configured for 3.3.3.3 Thus there is only one way for A to establish a BGP connection with router B and it is through the TCP session that has been initiated by router B. Thus router A acts as a passive peer and can only wait for a connection that has been initiated from router B. This is my understanding of the new FSM that has been put forth in the new bgp draft. Folks, Extrapolating this further, an interesting scenario will arise when because of some IGP routes both the routers are able to reach each other through different interfaces than what they are configured to peer with. Eg. A tries to reach B thru 3.3.3.3, while router B tries to contact router A thru some other interface, say 5.5.5.5 Both will then act as passive peers as their active TCP probe will be rejected by the other. How will then the session take place? I guess we would need human intervention then. 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We work from Monday thru Saturday 8am to 5pm Thank you, Master Kleen (310)823-8356 RATES* Apt House 1 Bdr + 1 Bthr $ 40 $ 50 2 Bdr + 2 Bthr $ 50 $ 60 3 Bdr + 2 Bthr $ 60 $ 65 * Some restrictions apply depending upon size, sq. ft., stories and pets. **If you wish to be REMOVED from our future mailings, send an email to not4me@mail333.com _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------------=_3FBE41F6.3BCAF333-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 11:48:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21105 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANES6-0002TY-Pc for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hALGmEkP009510 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANES6-0002TJ-LB for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21002; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANES4-0004qY-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANES4-0004qV-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANERs-0002MD-SG; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANERA-0002Kh-AJ for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20930 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANER9-0004of-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:15 -0500 Received: from argc.paf.se ([195.66.31.71] helo=paf.se) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANER7-0004oY-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:14 -0500 Received: by paf.se (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1) with PIPE id 1244520; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:48:59 +0100 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by argc.paf.se with SpamAssassin (2.55 1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp); Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:48:54 +0100 From: "msk" To: Subject: [Idr] Affordable Housecleaning Service/First Time 20% Off Message-Id: X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_3,EXCUSE_REMOVE,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,RCVD_IN_NJABL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_3FBE41F6.3BCAF333" Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:45:59 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------=_3FBE41F6.3BCAF333 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Content preview: Dear Los Angeles Resident: Hi, we are a housecleaning company servicing your area for over 10 years. Our workers are professional trained ladies, licensed, insured and bonded. [...] Content analysis details: (5.70 points, 5 required) FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS (0.6 points) From: ends in numbers EXCUSE_3 (0.2 points) BODY: Claims you can be removed from the list EXCUSE_REMOVE (2.2 points) BODY: Talks about how to be removed from mailings KNOWN_MAILING_LIST (-0.3 points) Email came from some known mailing list software RCVD_IN_NJABL (0.8 points) RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org [RBL check: found 251.71.95.200.dnsbl.njabl.org.,] [type: 127.0.0.3] FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK (2.2 points) Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook ------------=_3FBE41F6.3BCAF333 Content-Type: message/rfc822; x-spam-type=original Content-Description: original message before SpamAssassin Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Envelope-To: anders@lowinger.se X-Spam-Status: SpamAssassin Failed Received: from [132.151.6.22] (HELO optimus.ietf.org) by paf.se (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 1244519 for anders@lowinger.se; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:48:21 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANEPx-00028w-K4; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANEPu-00028f-0W for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:45:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20798 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANEPs-0004kg-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:45:56 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANEPs-0004kd-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:45:56 -0500 Received: from dsl-200-95-71-251.prodigy.net.mx ([200.95.71.251] helo=195.250.88.194) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ANEPq-0001gC-UP for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:45:56 -0500 From: "msk" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: "msk" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Affordable Housecleaning Service/First Time 20% Off Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:45:59 -0800 Dear Los Angeles Resident: Hi, we are a housecleaning company servicing your area for over 10 years. Our workers are professional trained ladies, licensed, insured and bonded. Our prices are very affordable, and right now we are offering 20% off to first time customers. Also, we work with Realtors and R.E. Management companies to clean: Move Ins, Move Outs, Open Houses and More. If you are interested and would like to get some more information or set an appointment, please give us a call to our office telephone number (310) 823-8356. We work from Monday thru Saturday 8am to 5pm Thank you, Master Kleen (310)823-8356 RATES* Apt House 1 Bdr + 1 Bthr $ 40 $ 50 2 Bdr + 2 Bthr $ 50 $ 60 3 Bdr + 2 Bthr $ 60 $ 65 * Some restrictions apply depending upon size, sq. ft., stories and pets. **If you wish to be REMOVED from our future mailings, send an email to not4me@mail333.com _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------------=_3FBE41F6.3BCAF333-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 21 23:16:05 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18597; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPBv-00073g-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPBv-00073d-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPBh-0006Tz-PL; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPAj-0006Rm-0v for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:15:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18563 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPAg-00072y-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:58 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPAf-00072t-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:57 -0500 Received: from a64021.upc-a.chello.nl ([62.163.64.21] helo=netscape1452.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ANPAY-0006zs-E0 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:50 -0500 From: Robert Harare To: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: rharare@netscape.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:15:15 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format --2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DDEAR SIR. PLEASE I AM A BOY OF 25 YEARS AND I AM LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. I INTENDED TO INVEST THE SUM OF TWENTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS = INHERITED BY MY LATE FATHER.I AM FROM ZIMBABWE.BUT I AM LIVING IN THE = NETHERLANDS (EUROPE) AT THE MOMENT FOR MORE INFORMATION REACH ME ON MY NUMBER = 0031647858017 OR THROUGH THE EMAIL rharare@excite.com BEST REGARDS Rober Harare --2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 23:16:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18616 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPBz-0006Wh-V7 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAM4GJuX025084 for idr-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPBz-0006WV-OF for idr-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18597; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPBv-00073g-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPBv-00073d-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPBh-0006Tz-PL; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPAj-0006Rm-0v for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:15:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18563 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPAg-00072y-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:58 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPAf-00072t-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:57 -0500 Received: from a64021.upc-a.chello.nl ([62.163.64.21] helo=netscape1452.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ANPAY-0006zs-E0 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:50 -0500 From: Robert Harare To: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: rharare@netscape.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:15:15 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format --2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DDEAR SIR. PLEASE I AM A BOY OF 25 YEARS AND I AM LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. I INTENDED TO INVEST THE SUM OF TWENTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS = INHERITED BY MY LATE FATHER.I AM FROM ZIMBABWE.BUT I AM LIVING IN THE = NETHERLANDS (EUROPE) AT THE MOMENT FOR MORE INFORMATION REACH ME ON MY NUMBER = 0031647858017 OR THROUGH THE EMAIL rharare@excite.com BEST REGARDS Rober Harare --2a80fe5b-dcec-4fef-b977-11137e65d1cc-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Fri Nov 21 23:17:50 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18669; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPDd-00076k-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:18:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPDc-00076f-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:18:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPDd-0006cz-Eo; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANPCp-0006bi-5t for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:17:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA18642 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPCm-00075s-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:17:08 -0500 Received: from argc.paf.se ([195.66.31.71] helo=paf.se) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANPCl-00075p-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:17:08 -0500 Received: by paf.se (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1) with PIPE id 1245120; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:18:59 +0100 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by argc.paf.se with SpamAssassin (2.55 1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp); Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:18:49 +0100 From: Robert Harare To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. Message-Id: X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.0 required=5.0 tests=KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MIME_BOUND_MANY_HEX,OPPORTUNITY, OPPORTUNITY_2,UPPERCASE_50_75,US_DOLLARS version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ****** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_3FBEE3A9.DEAD344B" Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:15:15 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------=_3FBEE3A9.DEAD344B Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Content preview: This is a multi-part message in MIME format DDEAR SIR. PLEASE I AM A BOY OF 25 YEARS AND I AM LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. I INTENDED TO INVEST THE SUM OF TWENTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS INHERITED BY MY LATE FATHER.I AM FROM ZIMBABWE.BUT I AM LIVING IN THE NETHERLANDS (EUROPE) AT THE MOMENT FOR MORE INFORMATION REACH ME ON MY NUMBER 0031647858017 OR THROUGH THE EMAIL rharare@excite.com [...] Content analysis details: (6.00 points, 5 required) MIME_BOUND_MANY_HEX (2.9 points) Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary US_DOLLARS (1.1 points) BODY: Nigerian scam key phrase (million dollars) OPPORTUNITY_2 (1.0 points) BODY: Opportunity - What a deal! 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Please review for correctness. The deadline for review is next Monday. Yakov. ---------------------------------------------------------- 1. IDR Documents status update Y. Rekhter ======================= See slides IDR Charter Update Y. Rekhter =========================== See Slides 2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00 Sue Hares ================================ The intent of this proposal is to provide a mechanism by which both peers can become aware of a prefix limit. If the number of prefixes approaches the known limit, both peers can provide warning to their respective operators, and even if the limit is reached, both devices can behave in a manner to preserve network stability until the operators can address the cause of the excessive prefix condition. In addition, the option to terminate the session is retained in order to protect the BGP receiver, if the BGP sender ignores the limit. The basic function proposed here is for a BGP receiver which implements a limit on the number of prefixes which it will accept (a "maximum prefix limit") to send an advertisement of that limit to its peer BGP sender, at the time the peering session is initiated. That is, a BGP receiver configured with a maximum-prefix limit notifies its peer BGP sender of the limit, so that the sender should automatically restrict the number of prefixes it announces, in order to comply with the limit. Three level response: 90% generates warning at 100%, BGP speaker stops sending at 110%, BGP listener drops session John Scudder: Three functions could support this feature now. These are: remote logging, ORF, inform. You might want to collapse these functions into existing proposals (ORF, inform). Hares: Inform is not widely deployed. Binam(?): I am surprised that providers do not maintain explicit import policies that prevent them from accepting every route that a customer might advertise. 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Dan Indrieden: Active passive decision should be configured, not determined Raj: does this make a difference, since there are only a few implementations of BGP Scudder: this is backward compatible. 4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00 Michel Py ========= What this draft is: A mechanism to distribute filtering information. Bogon filtering is only one example of filtering information. The objective is to standardize the mechanism. Idea: re-use ORF mechanisms. The ORF specifications are not modified; what is required is a syntax enhancement that is mostly a matter of implementation. Scudder: 1)maye you want to publish this and do it. There isn't any new protocol to standardize. 2) Have you looked at Pedro Marques flowspec document? 3) Is the single server a single point of failure, target for malicious attack 5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00 Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward ====================================================== Currently there is no mechanism available for two BGP Speakers to communicate the occurrence of an error-condition other than through a BGP NOTIFICATION Message. The problem is that a NOTIFICATION message resets the peering session and terminates the connection. If a peer wants to gracefully recover from an error or wants to warn its peer about the occurrence of a BGP-related event, there is no mechanism currently available to do that. The proposed BGP SOFT-NOTIFICATION message is a mechanism to notify a remote peer of an error-condition or an event without resetting or terminating the BGP session. The purpose of this message is to provide the ability to soft-reset a particular AFI/SAFI without disrupting other BGP AFI/SAFIs or sections. - New Soft noticication message and soft notification ACK - Inform is for logging only; soft notification can also take an action 6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00 Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah ============ The current version of the BGP UPDATE Message has evolved from its original definition for IPv4 Unicast AFI/SAFI. The use of new AFI/SAFIs in BGP has caused the MP_REACH and MP_UNREACH attributes to be defined. But the attributes such as NEXTHOP still continued to apply only to IPv4 Unicast. It is only defined to carry an IPv4 address. This has forced several workarounds over the years such as carrying the Nexthop corresponding to the AFI/SAFI inside the MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute. Carrying non-IPv4 NLRIs in the MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute itself is a workaround to the fact that the NLRI section only applies to IPv4 Unicast routes. Also, the current BGP UPDATE Message starts out as being generic such that it could apply to any AFI/SAFI - until an MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH section is encountered. Only then can it be decided whether to use the NEXTHOP attribute or the NEXTHOP encoded in the MP_REACH attribute as the applicable NEXTHOP. The MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute needs to be successfully parsed to identify the AFI/SAFI to which the UPDATE Message applies. Thus, if there is an error in the section preceding the MP_REACH attribute, the whole BGP session and other AFI/SAFIs running on the same saession are impacted. This does not protect one AFI/SAFI from being impacted by the other AFI/SAFIs on the same session - in case of AFI/SAFI specific errors that make it impossible to parse the MP_REACH/ MP_UNREACH section. The proposed BGP UPDATE-v2 message proposes solving all of the above-mentioned problems. BGP UPDATE-v2 will enable separation of updates belonging to different AFI/SAFI and an error in attribute can be isolated to a particular AFI/SAFI. 7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession John Scudder ============= This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4" by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used between a given pair of BGP speakers. Each session is used to transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI. This provides an alternative to the current MP-BGP approach of multiplexing routes for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection. Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI. Discussion on (5), (6), and (7). ================================ Parantap: frightened by multiple afi/safis. frightened by amountof change to BGP. Parantap: perhaps we could use reliable UDP, instead of making all these changes to BGP. Yakov: Would you be frightened by reliable UDP ? Parantap: Then perhaps we could use unreliable UDP. Yakov: Would you be frightened to use unreliable transport for delivering incremental updates ? Yakov: If folks are frightened by changes in BGP then we should immediately stop the WG meeting, close the WG, and go to the bar. That was greeted by a round of applause. Scudder: design goal is to minimize number of changes to BGP Gargi: ???/ Rahul: please compare and contrast the drafts? 2) Would like to see discussion on percieved problem with multiple loopbacks. Why not? Chavali: Confusion about deprication of existing notification messages. Acee: Too many ways to group. Do we really need all of this flexibility? Alex: if the length field is incorrect, can you trust the next PDU? Yakov: if the legth field is incorrect, then Gargi's proposal results in terminating BGP session for all the AFI/SAFI carried in the session, thus failing to provide isolation among multiple AFI/SAFIs, and therefore failing to provide isolation among different applications that use BGP. In contrast, Scudder proposal does not have this problem as different AFI/SAFI need not share the same BGP session. Andrew Lang: ???? 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Approximately 6= 0,000 will die from this disease.

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Approxi= mately 156,000 Americans develop colon cancer annually.
Approximately 6= 0,000 will die from this disease.

INTRODUCING:wiojgiwjgwgrwgULTIMATE COLON CLEANSER

You're about to discover t= he true secrets about your colon and digestive system and how it significantly imp= acts your health and enhances your weight loss program. Plain, simple = and to the point information that is vitally important to your overall go= od health. Visit the site to learn how the Ultiamte Colon Cleanser wi= ll clean your colon of toxins and unnecessary waste build up. Shipping is = always free for US customers and we welcome International customers.

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Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 29 01:55:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26062 for ; 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Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 29 01:56:56 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26113; 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Content preview: Dear friend, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below: May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband. 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Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------------=_3FC8437E.F0B74AE1-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 29 01:57:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26148 for ; 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Content preview: Dear friend, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below: May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband. [...] Content analysis details: (5.50 points, 5 required) FROM_WEBMAIL_ENDS_IN_NUMS6 (0.3 points) From address is webmail, and ends in lots of numbers FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS (0.6 points) From: ends in numbers KNOWN_MAILING_LIST (-0.3 points) Email came from some known mailing list software FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD (2.7 points) 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK (2.2 points) Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook ------------=_3FC8437E.F0B74AE1 Content-Type: message/rfc822; x-spam-type=original Content-Description: original message before SpamAssassin Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Envelope-To: anders@lowinger.se X-Spam-Status: SpamAssassin Failed Received: from [132.151.6.22] (HELO optimus.ietf.org) by paf.se (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 1253651 for anders@lowinger.se; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:57:32 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APz0Q-0000iS-K0; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APyzl-0000i0-68 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26023 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APyzh-0000xG-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:17 -0500 Received: from [80.88.131.236] (helo=qfgf93763.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APyzX-0000wr-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:15 -0500 From: "Luisa Esatrada" Reply-To: l_p_estrada@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------------=_3FC8437E.F0B74AE1-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 29 02:40:20 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09580; 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Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:39:36 -0500 From: "Luisa Esatrada" Reply-To: l_p_estrada@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:39:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 29 02:41:00 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09629 for ; 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Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:39:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-admin@ietf.org Sat Nov 29 02:41:50 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09701; 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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Content preview: Dear friend, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below: May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband. 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Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:39:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friend=2C It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below=3A May I first introduce myself=3A I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2Cthe first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada=28former head of state and President of Philippines=29 who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla=2CPhilippines=2E I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband=2E This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping=2E We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country=2E However=2Cthe current administration of Gloria Arroyo=28The President of Philippines=29 is seeking the death of my husband=2EIn pursuit of this vendetta=2Cthe present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland=2CUK and Australia=2E In fact=2C the attack on our family =28The Estrada's=29 is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport=2Cfamily accounts=2Ctrying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband=2E My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1=2E5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband=2E You can find this on=3B http=3A=2F=2Flatelinenews=2Ecom=2Fps=2Fenglish=2F29432=2Eshtml http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Etime=2Ecom=2Ftime=2Fasia=2Fmagazine=2F2001=2F0129=2Fcover1=2Ehtml We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime=2E In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival=2C our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit=2C you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on=2E In the meantime=2Cthere is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged=2EFor this reason=2Ctelephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded=2EWe are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities=2E we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband=2E In view of this plight=2C I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future=2EAnd if you agree to help=2C we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted=2E I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation=2E In view of all above details=2C I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested=2E Best wishes=2C Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada=2E NB=3A Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged=2E If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l=5Fp=5Festrada=40tiscali=2Eco=2Euk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------------=_3FC84E28.6A734D52-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 29 02:42:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09744 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Idr] SAVE HER LIFE Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:24:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am Achilike Chinedu=2C an orphaned riverine native of the Niger Delta =28Nigeria=29 since 7 years old=2EA region immensely blessed with oil=2EWe however survive on proceeds from seafood which has now been ravaged by incessant oil spillages=2EConsequently=2Ci moved to the big city where i managed to secure an cursed job as a factory worker in an Indian run manufacturing company=3B having almost been twice amputated by the machine=2E The arrival of fifteen year old Mimi =28my dear niece=29 who had just lost both parents in a communal clash over5 the siting of Niger Delta Development Commission =28N=2ED=2ED=2EC=2C the government agency responsible for utilizing oil mproceeds to develop the immediate environment=29=2E Mimi was a bundle of joy as she was full of life and a source of inspiration to me=2EHowever=2C on the 25th of september=2C 2003=2C Mimi tasted yet another bitter pill of life=2EI had lost my job and the meargre salary i was being paid and was distraught=3B and decided to go on a drinking spree =28though i am almost a tee to taler=29=3Bhoping to evoke another bout of Hepatitis =28 having suffered an infected Liver a month ago=29=2EI was in pains and was staggering and ended up in a gutter=2E Mimi was frantic on hearing and took off to my rescue=2EShe was hit by yet another drunk driver and her Legs were badly mangled=2EPresently=2Cshe cannot walk=2E She needs to be flown abroad for specialist attention=2EThe cost of her treatment is estimated at $8=2C000=2E00=2EI have no confidence in Non Governmental Organizations =28N=2EG=2EO's=29 in Nigeria as they are all politicised=2E However=2C a few well meaning Nigerians are donating towards this course which we appreciate so much=2E Ifeel responsible for what happened to my dear Mimi=2C and it is a fact=2C and the only way to remedy this problem is by raising this money to treat her=2EThe essence of life is to add value to the life of your fellow human beings=2EKindly donate generously towards saving Mimi=2EIt is not fair for her to suffer for my own mistake =2E Thanking You=2E Sincerely=2C Achilike Chinedu _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA11053 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] SAVE HER LIFE Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:24:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id VAA11053 I am Achilike Chinedu, an orphaned riverine native of the Niger Delta (Nigeria) since 7 years old.A region immensely blessed with oil.We however survive on proceeds from seafood which has now been ravaged by incessant oil spillages.Consequently,i moved to the big city where i managed to secure an cursed job as a factory worker in an Indian run manufacturing company; having almost been twice amputated by the machine. 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--8C04F.5.E._D4.2__E-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA22138 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APzhy-0004QD-T5; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:40:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APzhd-0004P9-Ua for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:39:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09530 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APzhZ-0001ZY-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:39:37 -0500 Received: from [80.88.131.236] (helo=abc194388.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APzhX-0001ZO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:39:36 -0500 From: "Luisa Esatrada" Reply-To: l_p_estrada@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:39:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id CAA22138 Dear friend, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below: May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband. This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping. We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country. However,the current administration of Gloria Arroyo(The President of Philippines) is seeking the death of my husband.In pursuit of this vendetta,the present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland,UK and Australia. In fact, the attack on our family (The Estrada's) is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport,family accounts,trying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband. My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1.5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband. You can find this on; http://latelinenews.com/ps/english/29432.shtml http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2001/0129/cover1.html We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime. In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival, our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit, you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on. In the meantime,there is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged.For this reason,telephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded.We are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities. we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband. In view of this plight, I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future.And if you agree to help, we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted. I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation. In view of all above details, I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested. Best wishes, Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada. NB: Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged. If you are intrested in this proposal please send all further email correspondence to l_p_estrada@tiscali.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA21791 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APz0Q-0000iY-US; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APyzl-0000i0-68 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26023 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APyzh-0000xG-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:17 -0500 Received: from [80.88.131.236] (helo=qfgf93763.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APyzX-0000wr-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:54:15 -0500 From: "Luisa Esatrada" Reply-To: l_p_estrada@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] A LETTER FROM PHILIPPINES! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:54:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id BAA21791 Dear friend, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek your co-operation and assistance in the context stated below: May I first introduce myself: I am Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada,the first wife of Joseph Ejercito Estrada(former head of state and President of Philippines) who is presently held in detention in a hospital outside manilla,Philippines. I got your contact from the internet during the course of my search for a reliable foreigner who will assist me in receiving the sum of US$17Million secretly deposited in my favour by my Husband. This money was kept with a Security Company in Amsterdam and I have all documents with me as of when it was deposited in a Security Vault for safe keeping. We have been deliberating on how to invest this fund abroad in a confidential manner until we came to a conclusion to use it to buy estates and part of it will be used for non-speculative investments in your country. However,the current administration of Gloria Arroyo(The President of Philippines) is seeking the death of my husband.In pursuit of this vendetta,the present Government have resolved to freeze all known assets of Joseph Ejercito Estrada including properties at home and abroad and are presently embarking on to seize the various bank accounts of my Husband in Switzerland,UK and Australia. In fact, the attack on our family (The Estrada's) is so devastated to an extent of seizing our travelling passport,family accounts,trying some members of our family in court for offences allegedly committed by my Husband and even restrict us from seeing my husband. My son was released from detention on the agreement to refund $1.5 million to the Government of Philippines allegedly stolen by my Husband. You can find this on; http://latelinenews.com/ps/english/29432.shtml http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2001/0129/cover1.html We are not ready to comply to this as most of the family assets and bank accounts abroad have been Frozen by the Arroyo regime. In view of this grevious threat to our Economic and personal survival, our family trustee have secretly protected the deposit, you are to assits us travelling to Amsterdam to lay claims of the consignment with the aid of all legal documents that will be forwarded to you as time goes on. In the meantime,there is a travelling embargo on the family members and our local accounts are seized as well as our telephone lines have been bugged.For this reason,telephone conversation will not be an ideal means of communication because our calls will be recorded.We are currently being catered for by the Government of Philippines in other to monitor and control our financial activities. we cannot be held responsible for the sins of my Husband. In view of this plight, I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this distressed call to save our family from a hopeless future.And if you agree to help, we shall discuss the disbursement ratio in our next correspondence after we have been acquainted. I look forward to your quick response while thanking you for your co-operation. In view of all above details, I request you to keep this letter and co-operation highly confidential even if you are not interested. Best wishes, Senator Luisa Pimentel Estrada. NB: Please note that email correspondence will be safer due to the fact that all our phone lines have been bugged. 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Please review for correctness. The deadline for review is next Monday. Yakov. ---------------------------------------------------------- 1. IDR Documents status update Y. Rekhter ======================= See slides IDR Charter Update Y. Rekhter =========================== See Slides 2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00 Sue Hares ================================ The intent of this proposal is to provide a mechanism by which both peers can become aware of a prefix limit. If the number of prefixes approaches the known limit, both peers can provide warning to their respective operators, and even if the limit is reached, both devices can behave in a manner to preserve network stability until the operators can address the cause of the excessive prefix condition. In addition, the option to terminate the session is retained in order to protect the BGP receiver, if the BGP sender ignores the limit. The basic function proposed here is for a BGP receiver which implements a limit on the number of prefixes which it will accept (a "maximum prefix limit") to send an advertisement of that limit to its peer BGP sender, at the time the peering session is initiated. That is, a BGP receiver configured with a maximum-prefix limit notifies its peer BGP sender of the limit, so that the sender should automatically restrict the number of prefixes it announces, in order to comply with the limit. Three level response: 90% generates warning at 100%, BGP speaker stops sending at 110%, BGP listener drops session John Scudder: Three functions could support this feature now. These are: remote logging, ORF, inform. You might want to collapse these functions into existing proposals (ORF, inform). Hares: Inform is not widely deployed. Binam(?): I am surprised that providers do not maintain explicit import policies that prevent them from accepting every route that a customer might advertise. Hares: VPN providers may not maintain such policies. (Note that a service provider is among the authors.) Enke Chen: Dropping after prefix limit is exceeded is a bad idea. It is better to disable AFI. Current implementations only have warning and action level. Draft should also have 2 levels. Scudder: You only need one number. A limit. Ash: We need this. Bonica: We need three numbers; warning, speaker stops sending and listener drops session. 3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00 Enke Chen =================================== To simplify the BGP session bringup logic, in this document we propose a revision that allows a BGP speaker to play only the active or the passive role in establishing a BGP connection with another BGP speaker. A BGP speaker determines whether it will play the active or passive role based on the AS numbers and/or the peering addresses involved. Backward compatiblility required. Gracefull restart required. Yakov: According to the spec, you must send an notification if you close due to collision Enke: All implementations don't do that Rajeesh Kumar: If server detects connection is gone, it has to wait for client to re-establish. Hares: could be misconfigured? Enke: No, larger AS number is active Gargi: Proabability of connection collision first time is high. Hakkivori: ????? Jeff Pickering: problem with tie breaker using remote access. you may not know your source address Enke: disagress pickering: you don't know that peers source will be what you send Alex Zinin: we will have to support the old code for years Enke: do randomn backoff Alex Zinin: are you assuming that you won't have to support the old code? Dan Indrieden: Active passive decision should be configured, not determined Raj: does this make a difference, since there are only a few implementations of BGP Scudder: this is backward compatible. 4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00 Michel Py ========= What this draft is: A mechanism to distribute filtering information. Bogon filtering is only one example of filtering information. The objective is to standardize the mechanism. Idea: re-use ORF mechanisms. The ORF specifications are not modified; what is required is a syntax enhancement that is mostly a matter of implementation. Scudder: 1)maye you want to publish this and do it. There isn't any new protocol to standardize. 2) Have you looked at Pedro Marques flowspec document? 3) Is the single server a single point of failure, target for malicious attack 5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00 Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward ====================================================== Currently there is no mechanism available for two BGP Speakers to communicate the occurrence of an error-condition other than through a BGP NOTIFICATION Message. The problem is that a NOTIFICATION message resets the peering session and terminates the connection. If a peer wants to gracefully recover from an error or wants to warn its peer about the occurrence of a BGP-related event, there is no mechanism currently available to do that. The proposed BGP SOFT-NOTIFICATION message is a mechanism to notify a remote peer of an error-condition or an event without resetting or terminating the BGP session. The purpose of this message is to provide the ability to soft-reset a particular AFI/SAFI without disrupting other BGP AFI/SAFIs or sections. - New Soft noticication message and soft notification ACK - Inform is for logging only; soft notification can also take an action 6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00 Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah ============ The current version of the BGP UPDATE Message has evolved from its original definition for IPv4 Unicast AFI/SAFI. The use of new AFI/SAFIs in BGP has caused the MP_REACH and MP_UNREACH attributes to be defined. But the attributes such as NEXTHOP still continued to apply only to IPv4 Unicast. It is only defined to carry an IPv4 address. This has forced several workarounds over the years such as carrying the Nexthop corresponding to the AFI/SAFI inside the MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute. Carrying non-IPv4 NLRIs in the MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute itself is a workaround to the fact that the NLRI section only applies to IPv4 Unicast routes. Also, the current BGP UPDATE Message starts out as being generic such that it could apply to any AFI/SAFI - until an MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH section is encountered. Only then can it be decided whether to use the NEXTHOP attribute or the NEXTHOP encoded in the MP_REACH attribute as the applicable NEXTHOP. The MP_REACH/MP_UNREACH attribute needs to be successfully parsed to identify the AFI/SAFI to which the UPDATE Message applies. Thus, if there is an error in the section preceding the MP_REACH attribute, the whole BGP session and other AFI/SAFIs running on the same saession are impacted. This does not protect one AFI/SAFI from being impacted by the other AFI/SAFIs on the same session - in case of AFI/SAFI specific errors that make it impossible to parse the MP_REACH/ MP_UNREACH section. The proposed BGP UPDATE-v2 message proposes solving all of the above-mentioned problems. 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05586 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkX-00067u-I5; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALxkF-000664-Fp for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22509 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkD-0005WC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 Received: from web21501.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.12]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALxkC-0005W9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118044541.71866.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: marelines@yahoo.com Cc: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Mareline, > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not > increase the convergence time in the network? You may not always want to configure a "passive" peer, sometimes it just becomes one. For eg. Consider two routers A and B. A has two interfaces say, 3.3.3.3/24 and 4.4.4.4/24 while B has just one interface 2.2.2.2 I configure A as neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X while i configure B as neighbor 4.4.4.4 remote-as X Now suppose that the best path for Router A to reach B is through its 3.3.3.3 interface. This is possible based on the IGP routes that one has in a network. If this is so, then router A sends a TCP SYN destined to 2.2.2.2 from its interface 3.3.3.3. B on the other hand, sends a TCP SYN to Router A from 2.2.2.2 to A's 4.4.4.4 B will reject the TCP request that it receives from A as its not configured for 3.3.3.3 Thus there is only one way for A to establish a BGP connection with router B and it is through the TCP session that has been initiated by router B. Thus router A acts as a passive peer and can only wait for a connection that has been initiated from router B. This is my understanding of the new FSM that has been put forth in the new bgp draft. Folks, Extrapolating this further, an interesting scenario will arise when because of some IGP routes both the routers are able to reach each other through different interfaces than what they are configured to peer with. Eg. A tries to reach B thru 3.3.3.3, while router B tries to contact router A thru some other interface, say 5.5.5.5 Both will then act as passive peers as their active TCP probe will be rejected by the other. How will then the session take place? I guess we would need human intervention then. Regards, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16994 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtqc-0002CC-4c; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:36:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALtpv-00029F-Ql for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15557 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpu-0002LI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:18 -0500 Received: from web21510.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.59]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALtpt-0002LF-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20031118003516.54552.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 EST From: Hunju Park Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. To: Yakov Rekhter Cc: idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0500 (EST) Yakov, Thanks for responding, however i have a small doubt. > According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each > connection > uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). > I would have understood had you said that its valid as long as both sides use distinct source and dest IP addresses. What i dont understand is how can it work with just one side using a unique source IP or dest IP address. Lets assume Router A uses its two interfaces to establish a BGP connection, while Router B just uses one interface. On Router B I can say, neighbor 1.1.1.1 remote-as X neighbor 2.2.2.2 remote-as X where 1.1.1.1 and 2.2.2.2 both belong to A But what will i define on Router A? neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y neighbor 3.3.3.3 remote-as Y where i assume 3.3.3.3 belongs to Router B? I can understand that the spec allows if both sides use a distinct source and dest IP address. But how can it work as the way you said. Or maybe i missed your point. Regards, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15802 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlEP-0003HY-8a; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALlDY-0003E1-UQ for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15297 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlDV-0007iT-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:05 -0500 Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALlDU-0007i6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.11.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLfF98665; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAHFLat59226; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311171521.hAHFLat59226@merlot.juniper.net> To: Hunju Park cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST." <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60326.1069082496.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:21:36 -0800 Park, > Hi, > > I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous > connections between two BGP speakers. > > ------- ------- > | |--- . . -- | | > | A |--- . . -- | B | > -------- -------- According to the spec it is legal *as long as* each connection uses distinct source or dest IP address (or both). Yakov. > I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this > should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter > ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore > this if it already has a connection with a router > having the same router ID. > > This can also prevent it in situations when one of the > routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong > router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as > this router will not peer with the router having the > same Router ID .. but this can create problems when > you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. > > And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she > can use loopback addresses. > > Any comments, > Park > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01137 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALFZq-0006gJ-1T; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:36:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALFZL-0006eE-RW for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA05979 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALFZJ-0005eH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:29 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALFZI-0005eE-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:28 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=ab97c1008.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALFZJ-0005aS-L7 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:35:31 -0500 From: "Samuel Taylor" Reply-To: drsamuel_taylor@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Appenzll Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:34:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id AAA01137 16th November 2003 Good Day, I wish to introduce myself to you. My name is Samuel Taylor. I am the brother to the president of Liberia Mr. Charles Taylor.Due to the present war in my country Liberia, I wish to invest in Hotels and commercial properties in your counry.Myself, wife and children managed to get on a Red Cross airplane that was evacuating foreigners from the theatre of war in my country and presently, we are in a refugee camp in a region called Appenzll on the Swiss border.Your assistance and coopration is required as regards this project. Please send an e-mail to me indicating your desire to help me and my family invest this funds. I await your positive response to my e-mail letter God bless. Samuel Taylor _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29211 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALEfi-0004Pb-Uo; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:38:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALEfd-0004KP-O9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA04160 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALEfb-0004gA-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:55 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALEfb-0004g6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:55 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=2mails738.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALEfZ-0003kF-Q8 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:55 -0500 From: "Dr Sam Patrick" Reply-To: drsampatrick@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:36:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id XAA29211 Dr Sam Patrick Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I, on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10,500,000.00 (Ten Million,five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) into your bank account. These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors.We,as holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals, were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fiftheen Million, five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) lying in a suspended Account. However, from our investigations, we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated, and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria, thus providing us with this opportunity, provided that we have a capable partner, to execute a transaction of this nature. We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm/associate. This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account. In our initial attempt to do this, we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m (Five Million Dollars) into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut, Lebanon, but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money. As a result, we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion, and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved, we have cancelled further transactions with him. In the light of the foregoing, it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter, but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction. We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services/assistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project. We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part, but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information. I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions/enquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail, for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction. In your reply, remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you. Hope to hear from you soon. Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency. Yours faithfully, Dr Sam Patrick _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23915 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALC54-0005ZA-4j; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALC4D-0005XO-VJ for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA28999 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC4A-0001lP-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:06 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ALC4A-0001lJ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:06 -0500 Received: from 80.179.254.186.forward.012.net.il ([80.179.254.186] helo=ok6839.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALC46-0005N8-8s for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:03 -0500 From: "Prince Sam Eguzo" Reply-To: princesam_eguzo@tiscali.co.uk To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] ATTENTION MY DEAR FRIEND Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:49:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id UAA23915 Prince Sam Eguzo Lagos-Africa 16th November 2003 Dear Friend I, on behalf of my colleagues from different Federal Government of Nigeria owned parastatals decided to solicit your assistance as regards transfer of US$10,500,000.00 (Ten Million,five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) into your bank account. These funds emanated from unclaimed contractual proceeds of foreign contracting firms who could not meet their financial obligations to their creditors.We,as holders of sensitive positions in our various parastatals, were mandated by the Federal Government to scrutinise all payments made to certain foreign contractors and we discovered that some of the contractors have not been paid their contractual entitlement which collectively left the sum of US$15,500,000.00 (Fiftheen Million, five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) lying in a suspended Account. However, from our investigations, we discovered that the foreign beneficiary companies have since been liquidated, and to all intents and purposes no longer exist in Nigeria, thus providing us with this opportunity, provided that we have a capable partner, to execute a transaction of this nature. We agreed that the said amount would be transferred into an overseas Bank Account to be provided by a reliable foreign firm/associate. This is because as serving Government workers the Civil Service Code does not allow us to operate foreign Account. In our initial attempt to do this, we succeeded in transferring part of this amount US$5m (Five Million Dollars) into a United States Dollar Account in Beirut, Lebanon, but our foreign associate failed to honour our mutual agreement insisting instead that the total amount be transferred into the Account before we can share the money. As a result, we have lost confidence in the ability of our Lebanese partner to see this matter to its logical conclusion, and until the initial transaction is satisfactorily resolved, we have cancelled further transactions with him. In the light of the foregoing, it is clear that we require a partner that is not only capable of rendering assistance and cooperation in executing this matter, but will honour the terms of agreement when we reach the concluding stages of this transaction. We therefore offer the amount of 20% of the entire sum in return for services/assistance rendered in successfully carrying out this project. We trust that you appreciate the sensitive nature of this matter and the need for initial caution on our part, but when a relationship is confidently established and operations commence you will be provided with all relevant information. I remain at your disposal to entertain any questions/enquiries relatingb to this proposition and you may contact me as a matter of urgency via e-mail, for further information on the procedures and requirements of this transaction. In your reply, remember to indicate a safe telephone number where I can always reach you. Hope to hear from you soon. Please treat with the strictest confidentiality and expediency. Yours faithfully, Prince Sam Eguzo _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14442 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskz-0008Fb-L1; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKskp-0008FM-1T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14285 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nT-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Received: from web21505.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.16]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKskl-0002nQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20031115051347.80023.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web21505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 EST From: Hunju Park To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] 2 simulataenous BGP connections .. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) Hi, I want to know if its legal to have two simulataneous connections between two BGP speakers. ------- ------- | |--- . . -- | | | A |--- . . -- | B | -------- -------- I know of one major vendor that allows that. IMHO this should not be allowed and BGP should check the ROuter ID when it receives the OPEN message and should ignore this if it already has a connection with a router having the same router ID. This can also prevent it in situations when one of the routers in the domain is misconfigured with a wrong router ID. In full mesh case it can be detected as this router will not peer with the router having the same Router ID .. but this can create problems when you have Router Reflectors/Confederations/etc. And if somebody is thinking of redundancy then he/she can use loopback addresses. Any comments, Park ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10109 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqbS-000823-1i; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqav-00081G-7f for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA10910 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqas-00014i-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:26 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqar-00014e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:25 -0500 Received: from [80.88.142.27] (helo=coolre4299.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKqas-0007Eh-U9 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:55:27 -0500 From: "BARRISTER. ROTIMI EMMANUEL" Reply-To: rotimyyiemanuel@voila.fr To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] I NEED YOU FULL CO-OPERATION PLEASE !!! Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:55:01 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id VAA10109 ROTIMI EMMANUEL. & ASSOCIATE SOLICITORS & ADVOCATES NO 47 OPEBI ROAD IKEJA LAGOS NIGERIA. Dear Sir/Madam, Before I start,I must first Apologies for this unsolicited mail to you.I am aware that this is certainly an unconventional approach to starting a relationship but as time goes on you will realize the need for my action. My name is ROTIMI EMMANUEL. a Solicitor and the personal Attorney to the Executive Director of an oil company from your country, who worked in conjuction with an Oil company in Nigeria to execute a contract which was awarded to them.Here in after referred to as my Client. On the 21st of April 1999,my client,his wife and their three children were involved in a Ghastly motor accident along Sagamu Express road.My Client and his entire family unfortunately lost their lives in the accident.Since then I have made several enquiries to your Embassy to locate any of my Client's extended relatives which has proved abortive.After these several unsuccessful attempts, hence the need to contact you. My main reason for contacting you is to assist me in repatriating the money and properties left behind by my Client before they are confiscated or declared unservicable by the bank where they are deposited and lodged.Particularly the Union Bank PLC where the deceased has a fixed sum of Nineteen Million United States Dollars. The said bank has issued me a final notice to provide the next of kin of my Client or they will be left with no other choice than to confiscate his funds. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating my clients relatives for the past two years I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of my client,going by the fact that you are from the same country, that the said fund as stated above i.e the sum of Nineteen million United States Dollars can be paid to you instead of leaving for it for Central Bank Of Nigeria,we can take part of it and leave the rest for Charity. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make.All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this arrangement through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.Please reply by this email address above. Finally kindly give me your confidential Phone and fax numbers so that I can communicate with you easily. Best regards, BARRISTER. ROTIMI EMMANUEL . NB: PLEASE, I WANT YOU TO REPLY ME THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS:rtimmy000us@voila.fr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14036 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUOM-0000Yb-4L; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKUNt-0000Xs-Qm for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08399 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00041R-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKUNq-00040X-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:12:30 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2003 19:14:31 -0800 Received: from aretana-u10.cisco.com (aretana-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.77]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAE3Bww6024726; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alvaro Retana To: idr@ietf.org cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report In-Reply-To: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> Message-ID: References: <200311130153.hAD1rhhO039890@workhorse.fictitious.org> X-Save: y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:11:58 -0800 (PST) By popular demand, I just published some extra formats: ;-) ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.pdf ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.csv ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.html Note that the html version didn't come out too good (some of the lines don't seem to show up for me using Netscape), but at least people can read it. If possible, I would prefer either xls/csv or txt with the data to be processed. Thanks! Alvaro. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11267 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKL7V-0005xD-JY; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKL7O-0005wR-O9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08891 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7N-0001GK-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:53 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKL7M-0001G0-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA552D48DB for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16914-01-96 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8862D48CC for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224" Subject: FW: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vAAcD81w From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:18:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AA0A.22B7A224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The MIB implementation reports should be sent to me by 2 weeks from today (11/27). 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA16935 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBq-0006Xa-8m; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKEBT-0006Ws-MD for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA18659 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKEBQ-0001qo-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:36 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKEAk-0001qJ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:54:04 -0500 From: "Tafa Momoh" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Reply-To: "Tafa Momoh" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Urgent Assistance Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:53:59 -0800 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mr. Tafa Momoh Habinson International Trust Bank PLC Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street, Victoria Island, Lagos. ATTN: MD/CEO I am Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations with Habinson International Trust Bank, Victoria Island Branch, Lagos, Nigeria. I have an urgent and very profitable business proposition for you that should be handled with extreme confidentiality. On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred United States Dollars Only) in my branch. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James Herbert died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, we found out that he died without making a Will and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully moved out of my bank to a Security Company in Europe for safekeeping. No one will ever come forward to claim it and according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5 years the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6 million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security Company in Europe. I contacted you because it is against our code of ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your assistance would be needed to claim the money in the Security Company in Europe. We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum would be for you if you agree to take part in this profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay back the expenses that may be incurred during the course of the transaction by both parties after the fund has been claimed and lodged in your account. In the event that you are genuinely interested in the transaction,the following information would be needed from you to expedite action. 1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to establish you as the next of kin of our late client thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund. This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe releases the Consignment/Fund to you. 2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where you can be reached at all time because this transaction entails constant communication. The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of the transaction. If you are interested, send the requested information via email number stated below so that we can proceed. I await your response urgently. Regards, Mr.Tafa Momoh Director, Foreign Operations With best regards, Tafa Momoh momoh@ureach.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Mr. Tafa Momoh
Habinson International Trust Bank PLC
Plot 190, Ajose Adeogun Street,
Victoria Island, Lagos.
 
 
ATTN: MD/CEO
 
I am  Mr. James Okoro Director, Foreign Operations
with Habinson International Trust Bank,
Victoria Island Branch, Lagos,  Nigeria.
 
I have an urgent and very profitable business
proposition for you that should be handled with
extreme confidentiality.
 
On January 6,1998 a Foreign Oil Consultant and
contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum
Corporation (NNPC) Mr. James Herbert by name made a
numbered time Fixed Deposit for twelve calendar months
valued at US$10.6M (Ten Million, Six Hundred
United States Dollars Only) in my branch.
 
Upon maturity I sent a routine notification in
accordance with the Bank policy to his forwarding
address but got no reply.
 
After a month we sent a reminder and finally we
discovered from his contract employers the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) that Mr. James
Herbert died from an automobile accident.
 
On further investigation, we found out that he died
without making a Will and all attempts to trace his
next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further
investigations and discovered that Mr. James Herbert
did not declare any next of kin or relations in all
his official documents including his Bank Deposit
paperwork in my Bank.
 
This sum of US$10.6M has been carefully  moved out of
my bank to a Security Company in Europe for
safekeeping.
 
No one will ever come forward to claim it and
according to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5
years the money will revert to the ownership of the
Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the
fund.
 
This prompted us to contact you.We will like to front
you as the next of kin of our late client thereby
making you the legal beneficiary of the sum of $38.6
million U.S Dollars that is presently in a Security
Company in Europe.
 
I contacted you because it is against our code of
ethics to own and operate foreign accounts and your
assistance would be needed to claim the money in the
Security Company in Europe.
 
We have unanimously agreed that 25% of the entire sum
would be for you if you agree to take part in this
profitable transaction,70% for me and 2 of my
colleagues while the remaining 5% would be used to pay
back the expenses that may be incurred during the
course of the transaction by both parties after the
fund has been claimed and lodged in your account.
 
In the event that you are genuinely interested in the
transaction,the following information would be needed
from you to expedite action.
 
1) Your Full Name and Address that would be used to
establish you as the next of kin of our late client
thereby making you the legal beneficiary of the fund.
This would ensure that the Security Company in Europe
releases the Consignment/Fund to you.
 
2) Your Private Mobile,Telphone and Fax numbers where
you can be reached at all time because this
transaction entails constant communication.
 
 
The transaction is 100% risk free as all modalities
has been perfected to ensure the hitch free success of
the transaction.
 
If you are interested, send the requested information
via email number stated below so that we can proceed.     
 
 
I await your response urgently.
 
Regards,
 
Mr.Tafa Momoh
Director, Foreign Operations
 
With best regards,
Tafa Momoh
momoh@ureach.com
 
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23889 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eM-00050i-H2; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zO-Fq for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23692 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e8-0003u6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:49 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e8-0003tg-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D22D48D7 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96626-01-49 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084232D48C7 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:17 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Agenda and presentations Thread-Index: AcOpkHhlMq9KfmjNSnW9JSAU7ctVRg== From: "Susan Hares" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] Agenda and presentations Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id VAA23889 Hi all: The IDR agenda and presentations for the 11/13/03 meeting at 1-3pm are posted on the web site: www.ndzh.com/idr The web site is my personal web site. Any complaints should to me (shares@nexthop.com). I've posted the presentations ahead of time so that you can pre-view the topics. The presenters may modify the presentations (slightly) based on conversations here at the IETF. I will re-post any changed presentations and send mail to the list. Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23888 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eL-00050a-Tg; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK7eD-0004zP-Ea for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23695 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7eA-0003uB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:50 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK7e9-0003th-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8C02D48C4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96626-01-50 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057B52D48CD for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: BGP v1 MiB implementation report Thread-Index: AcOpkWgYfO4o8ZJESLK9Xd2FFkx+vA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] BGP v1 MiB implementation report Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:55:17 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3A991.91E4C3F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the requirements for the BGP-4 standardization is an implementation report for version 1 of the BGP MIB. 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17734 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5ws-0007ul-CZ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK5wa-0007tu-Og for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20709 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wY-0002Uz-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:42 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AK5wY-0002UN-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:06:42 -0500 Received: from aretana-u10.cisco.com (aretana-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.77]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAD169iO015083; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: Alvaro Retana To: idr@ietf.org cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Idr] BGP-4 Implementation Report Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:06:09 -0800 (PST) Hi! This e-mail is to start the process of collecting information to be able to create an Implementation Report of BGP-4. As all of you know, an implementation report is a necessary step to advance the current BGP-4 draft. I have compiled the requirements (rfc2119) from the latest draft into a spreadsheet. Please download the spreadsheet, fill it out and send it back to me -- I will compile all the answers and publish an ID later on. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-22.txt ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/alvaro/bgp_implementation_report-22.xls Due to the length of the latest ID and the number of items, an Excel spreasheet was the easiest way to present the information (and later process it). If you need a different format, please let me know. BTW, we're shooting for the end of the month (Nov/26 -- right before Thanksgiving here in the US) to start compiling the information, so please turn it your data by then. Thanks! 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_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA07957 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmHW-0003Ht-PF; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJmGy-0003Go-Q0 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06768 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGt-0000Dj-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:23 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJmGs-0000DV-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAC467hO035900; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311120406.hAC467hO035900@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST." <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:06:07 -0500 In message <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > > | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it > | works, then yes, it would be a violation. > > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? > > Regards, > Mareline S. In really ancient times this was done as needed for bug avoidance (back as far as the BGP2/3 days). Today's routers are a lot less buggy and also better behaved as far as BGP convergence is concerned. Some routers still may behave better on cold startup if all of the BGP sessions are not brought up at once, particularly edge routers with a large number of EBGP sessions. The answers used to be bug avoidance and to impact the order of sessions coming up (ie: tendency for IBGP to come up before EBGP). Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27594 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjLZ-0007KV-MU; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjKr-0007Jw-KL for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01779 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:06 -0500 (EST) From: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjKp-0005i3-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:15 -0500 Received: from [218.188.19.146] (helo=ns.YTH.COM) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjKd-0005hc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:58:15 -0500 Received: from smtp0512.mail.yahoo.com ([200.138.238.244]) by ns.YTH.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:57:33 +0800 X-Priority: 3 To: idr@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 00:57:43.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAD1A270:01C3A8B7] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id TAA01780 Subject: [Idr] YOUR PARTNERSHIP IS REQUIRED Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:54:49 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id TAA27594 DR. MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE TO IT’S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCIATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSECUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK YOUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOTH OF US. I WAS AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WITH THE NIGERIAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C.).AFTER THE EXIT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT IN MAY 1999, I WAS ASIGNED TO THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT, CHIEF OLUSEGUN OBASANJO TO AUDIT AND VERIFY ALL CONTRACT AWARDED AND EXECUTED DURING THE REGIME OF LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA. IN THE COURSE OF CARRING OUT MY DUTIES,I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF A HUGE AMOUNT TO THE TUNE OF US$35,600,000.00 FLOATING UNDER THE NAME OF A NON-EXISTING COMPANY AS ALREADY VERIFIED BY ME. I PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SAID SUM RESULTED FROM OVER INVOICING OF SOME ALREADY COMPLETED FOREIGN CONTRACT PAPERS BY A FORMER MINISTER IN THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA’S REGIME. I HAVE DELIGATED THE MATTER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSISTANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, WE WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WITH YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE AMOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON’T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN SENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDRESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDING AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. MUSILIU BAKO _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27387 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjHi-00073o-F4; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJjGr-0006yc-TR for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01453 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjGp-0005Zt-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Received: from [218.38.19.179] (helo=wwwkr3.ns3.wwwkr.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJjGl-0005W9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:54:07 -0500 Received: from smtp034.mail.yahoo.com ([61.11.79.38]) by wwwkr3.ns3.wwwkr.co.kr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:52:26 +0900 X-Priority: 3 To: idr@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 00:52:49.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B6508E0:01C3A8B7] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id TAA01456 Subject: [Idr] YOUR PARTNERSHIP IS REQUIRED Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:48:51 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id TAA27387 DR. MUSILIU BAKO. OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA REGIONAL HEADQUATERS, LAGOS. SECURITY E-MAIL ADD: musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com musiliu_bako@albawaba.com DEAR SIR, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR UTMOST CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS TRANSACTION DUE TO IT’S HIGHLY SENSITIVE NATURE YOU HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY AN ASSOCIATE WHO ASSURES US IN CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSECUTE A TRANSACTION OF GREAT MAGNITUDE REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENTALITY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,I DEEMED IT WISE TO PERSONALLY CONTACT YOU AND SEEK YOUR CO-OPERATION IN AN URGENT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE OF MUTUAL BENEFIT TO BOTH OF US. I WAS AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WITH THE NIGERIAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION (N.N.P.C.).AFTER THE EXIT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT IN MAY 1999, I WAS ASIGNED TO THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT, CHIEF OLUSEGUN OBASANJO TO AUDIT AND VERIFY ALL CONTRACT AWARDED AND EXECUTED DURING THE REGIME OF LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA. IN THE COURSE OF CARRING OUT MY DUTIES,I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF A HUGE AMOUNT TO THE TUNE OF US$35,600,000.00 FLOATING UNDER THE NAME OF A NON-EXISTING COMPANY AS ALREADY VERIFIED BY ME. I PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SAID SUM RESULTED FROM OVER INVOICING OF SOME ALREADY COMPLETED FOREIGN CONTRACT PAPERS BY A FORMER MINISTER IN THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA’S REGIME. I HAVE DELIGATED THE MATTER WITH THE KEY MEMBERS OF THE CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL AND WE HAVE AGREED THAT SINCE THE FUNDS (US$35,600,000.00) HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE NEW GOVERNMENT FOR PAYMENT BASED ON THE OVER INVOICED CONTRACT PAPERS,THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY AND AS SUCH SEEK THE ASSISTANCE OF A TRUSTWORTHY FOREIGN FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID FUNDS ON OUR BEHALF,AS OUR CODE OF CONDUCT DOES NOT PERMIT US TO OPERATE A FOREIGN ACCOUNT, MOST EXPECIALLY,THIS PERIOD IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS RECOVERING MONEY FROM ALMOST EVERY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SERVED IN THE ABACHA REGIME. I WAS THEREBY MANDATED TO INTRODUCE A TRUSTWORTY FIRM TO ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SAID SUM AND PROVIDE THE ACCOUNT ABROAD WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE REMITTED. I HEREBY WISH TO REQUEST YOUR CONFIDENTIAL CO-OPERATION IN THE RESPECT. AS SOON AS I GET A GO AHEAD CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ON THE ABOVE SUBJECT, WE WOULD FIRST OF ALL AGREE ON THE SHARING PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL SUM WITH YOU, AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN ARRANGE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS COVERING THE AMOUNT IN QUESTION. WE ENSURE THAT WE GET APPROVAL TO ENABLE THE SAID SUM BE TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR NOMINATED ACCOUNT FOR US ALL, WITHOUT DELAY. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REASON DON’T CONTACT ME WITH THE E-MAIL I USED IN SENDING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, KINDLY CONTACT ME ON MY PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDRESSES:(musiliu_bako@rediffmail.com OR musiliu_bako@albawaba.com) TO ENABLE ME ASCERTAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS IN CO-OPERATING WITH US AND ALSO TO FURNISH YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION. TRUSTING ON YOUR KIND CO-OPERATION AND APPRECIATING YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDING AND THE NEED FOR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY. AWAITING WITH INTEREST YOUR PROMPT POSITIVE RESPONSE. KINDEST REGARDS DR. MUSILIU BAKO _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25918 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirZ-0004jf-A7; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJirP-0004jD-UI for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00241 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirO-00055w-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:50 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJirN-00055e-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:49 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAC0RHmU023866; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn3-352.cisco.com [10.21.65.96]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ANM02452; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:27:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FB17E63.3040604@cisco.com> From: Robert Raszuk Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mareline Sheldon CC: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:27:15 +0100 > Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a > "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the > network? Nope ... just the opposite :). For starter see draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt R. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25341 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJiht-0003zU-Hy; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJih4-0003yu-0I for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29956 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050T-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.84]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJih2-00050J-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20031112001707.47400.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 PST From: Mareline Sheldon Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:17:07 -0800 (PST) | If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it | works, then yes, it would be a violation. Any particular use/reason why somebody would want to configure a "passive" peer? Will it not increase the convergence time in the network? Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00875 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbkH-0007zJ-If; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbk7-0007z5-5p for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09528 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u7-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbk5-0005u3-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:49 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGpfhO031470; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111651.hABGpfhO031470@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Mareline Sheldon cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST." <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:41 -0500 In message <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Mareline Sheld on writes: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a re > mote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going > against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can thi > s really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. If it can be configured to do so, then no. If thats the only way it works, then yes, it would be a violation. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00824 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbjM-0007qa-Mc; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:51:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJbig-0007lA-SP for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09430 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbif-0005rt-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:21 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJbie-0005rp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:20 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hABGo7hO031456; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311111650.hABGo7hO031456@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT." <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:07 -0500 In message <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have > | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are > | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. > > Really? > > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am a > ware of a > couple of them which dont. > > And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depen > d upon my > IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my > confusion. > > John > > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive > | into a book on routing. John, I'm not sure what you are arguing. It is common practice to run BGP over your IGP. It is common practice to run BGP on all routers. RR is frequeently used. Some people would like to get BGP out of the core using MPLS/TE but that AFAIK is not yet a widespread practice. There are some routers that don't need to run BGP. Some are on the edges (and can use a default route or default conditional on IGP routing). Perhaps you misread what I was indicating was common practice. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28701 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb8V-0002wd-DT; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJb7p-0002qA-9x for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07563 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7o-0005Co-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from host19.ipowerweb.com ([12.129.211.119]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJb7n-0005CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from dyn132-111.ietf58.ietf.org ([130.129.132.111] helo=GraIyMage.com) by host19.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AJb7L-0006BE-00; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3FB108E5.5228FB89@GraIyMage.com> From: Eric Gray Reply-To: ewgray@graiymage.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Haas CC: Mareline Sheldon , idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host19.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - graiymage.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:05:57 -0500 This dialogue is currently a little loose in its use of terminology. The concept of a passive peer is a configuration option and would ideally be configurable on a peer-pair basis. In other words you could configure one peer to be passive relative to one or more other peers specifically. An implementation that arbitrarily (i.e. - for some unspecified reason) chooses to behave passively relative to another peer introduces the very real possibility of having two such peers arbitrarily deciding to behave in a passive way toward each other. These two BGP speakers would never actually peer with each other. >From this, you can see that there would be a problem with the notion of a strictly passive peer in general. It would not be able to peer with any other passive BGP speaker. In order for such a BGP speaker to participate in a network with other BGP speakers, all other speakers with which it is supposed to peer would have to be active. -- Eric Jeffrey Haas wrote: > The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > > called "violating the standards" ? > > > > Just curious, > > Regards, > > Mareline S. > > -- > Jeff Haas > NextHop Technologies > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26125 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaO5-0007Yb-9M; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:25:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaNP-0007UY-Au for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05520 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Zq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Received: from adsl-209-233-126-65.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([209.233.126.65] helo=arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaNM-0004Yc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Thread-Index: AcOoDpTrqNEUICtrTauA7zuqyu4n+QAWJ/zw From: "Michel Py" To: "John Smith" , Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:23:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id KAA26125 > John Smith wrote: > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors > from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. > Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its > routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol > (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I don't see what's odd about it. Airplanes are flying machines; however they need airports and runways which are terrestrial infrastructures. It's not odd, it's the way it is and has always been (at least for what I can remember). Michel. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25765 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaHK-00070C-4a; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJaGz-0006zf-Mo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04951 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGu-0004Qw-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:36 -0500 Received: from mesa.bbnplanet.com ([171.78.172.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJaGt-0004QQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:17:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by mesa.bbnplanet.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hABFGqV24046; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mesa.bbnplanet.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs From: Tony Tauber To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-Reply-To: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) [ Just so you don't think Curtis' opinion is an isolated one.] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, John Smith wrote: > Curtis, > > | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you > | have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number > | are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route > | reflectors. > > Really? Yes. > Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my > network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. Depends on the design. > | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of > | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to > | dive into a book on routing. Yes, really. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24309 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZv5-0005Oq-01; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:55:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJZul-0005O8-69 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03004 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZuj-000443-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:41 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJZui-00043v-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F171C2D481B; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 39893-01-13; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133E72D4833; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hABEs7G10627; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Mareline Sheldon Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Message-ID: <20031111095407.A24418@nexthop.com> References: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>; from marelines@yahoo.com on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:54:07 -0500 The current BGP state machine has the concept of a "passive" peer. On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:02:32AM -0800, Mareline Sheldon wrote: > Hi, > > If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external > peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. > I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be > called "violating the standards" ? > > Just curious, > Regards, > Mareline S. -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA08666 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVMT-0000Tp-Hh; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVM3-0000T4-6k for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA25798 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c9-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.91]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJVLz-0000c6-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111100232.96785.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 PST From: Mareline Sheldon To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Idr] Violating the BGP std. Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:02:32 -0800 (PST) Hi, If an implementation for some reason doesnt initiate a TCP connection to a remote external peer and waits for that peer to initiate first, will this be treated as going against the RFC. I understand that this can lead to higher convergence times, etc. But can this really be called "violating the standards" ? Just curious, Regards, Mareline S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA02834 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfy-0003hA-Fa; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:15:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJTfR-0003eK-Uo for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23776 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfP-0007LC-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Received: from web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.56]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJTfO-0007Kp-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111081356.18871.qmail@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Curtis, | This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have | N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are | confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. Really? Do i need to run BGP on all the IGP routers that i have in my network? I am aware of a couple of them which dont. And anyway, even if i put all of them in a full mesh or use RR, i still depend upon my IGPs to lead my RR to the correct clients/non clients. Which basically was my confusion. John | As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of | discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive | into a book on routing. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25260 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRaH-0003wo-Pd; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:01:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRZl-0003vZ-Hl for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07452 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZi-0005Yn-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRZh-0005Yk-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAB60OhO030136; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311110600.hAB60OhO030136@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: John Smith cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT." <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 In message <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, John Smith writes: > Hi, > > We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which w > e learn > reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A rou > ting > protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon anot > her > routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? > > I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peerin > g, x.y.z.w > need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple ho > ps to reach > it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs > at each hop. > Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. > > Am I missing something? > > Regards, > John Smith This is the common practice. For N other routers in the IGP you have N IBGP adjacnencies and the common ways to reduce that number are confederations (not used as much these days) and BGP route reflectors. As far as missing something, you've missed the last 10 years of discussion of common practice so maybe it would be a good time to dive into a book on routing. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20947 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOk-0008KQ-Jv; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJQOL-0008Jo-LX for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA05212 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOJ-0004fI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:35 -0500 Received: from web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.58]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJQOI-0004fB-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20031111044404.4224.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.213.1.1] by web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Smith?= To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Idr] Using a Routing Protocol to resolve reachability to the Remote Peer Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Hi, We use the IGPs to resolve the reachability to our BGP neighbors from which we learn reachability about other networks/destinations. Isnt this a little odd? A routing protocol (BGP) is building up its routing database and is dependent upon another routing protocol (RIP/ISIS/OSPF) for doing so? I mean, when we configure neighbor x.y.z.w remote-as MY_ASNUM for IBGP peering, x.y.z.w need not be a directly connected neighbor. I may need to traverse multiple hops to reach it. The path which i take depends upon what has been constructed by the IGPs at each hop. Thus, we BGP depends upon an IGP to build up its RIB. Am I missing something? Regards, John Smith ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14658 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7y-00059k-CC; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJG7C-00057R-Pi for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02826 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7B-0001CO-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJG7A-0001BQ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:12 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (cfcentral.cisco.com [64.101.210.32]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAAHjdDM013806 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tbarron@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id LAA11950; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Barron To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Thomas P Barron Message-ID: <20031110174539.GA166@cfcentral.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [Idr] draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:39 -0600 Enke, Srihari, et. al: I have some questions about draft-chen-bgp-avoid-transition-00.txt. I'm glad to see this draft since there are implementations out there using the route-selection algorithm this draft proposes, and since the proposed algorith is not what is documented in RFC1771 or in draft-ietf-idr-bgr4-22.txt section 9.1.2.2. First, is it the intent of this draft that the proposed algorithm should *replace* the algorithm currently documented, or just that it be added as an option? Second, while I think the claim in 5.1 that the proposed algorithm avoids an unnecessary best path transition is quite straightforward, there ought to be some discussion of concerns that have been expressed about the consequent lack of determinism in route selection. See for example section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-experience-protocol-03.txt and appendix A of "Guidelines for Interdomain Traffic Engineering" by Feamster, Borkenhagen, and Rexford. I'm not personally convinced that this local indeterminism is a real big deal, but I do think it needs some discussion in your draft. Third, I found the argument at 5.2 to the effect that the proposed algorithm reduces route oscillation a bit unclear. Maybe just a bit more text is needed, but it seems to me that the really essential ingredient in your setup in figure 1 and figure 2 is not the router ID, but the high intracluster IGP metric. Indeed, though you cite RFC3345, that work focuses on IGP metrics, not router ID, as a critical factor for "type 1" oscillation scenarios (yours appears to be a type 1 variant.) If adjusting IGP metrics is sufficient to fix both your oscillation scenario and other type 1 scenarios, but shifting from Router ID selection to the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm is not sufficient for type 1 scenarios in general, then the contribution of the proposed algorithm to the route oscillation problem does not seem very decisive. On the other hand, if using the proposed time-of-arrival algorithm yields a general solution to oscillation problems, then this reader at least did not get that from the draft as currently written. I'm glad you folks wrote this draft. I hope it's clear that I'm not against your proposal, but rather want to address some gaps in my own understanding of the issues that surround it. - Tom Barron _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06081 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFYH-0000GT-Kk; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIFXa-0000FF-8j for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12098 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXX-0004Vy-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org ([209.150.1.230]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIFXW-0004Vv-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from workhorse.fictitious.org (localhost.fictitious.org [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.fictitious.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hA7MvlhO009681; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200311072257.hA7MvlhO009681@workhorse.fictitious.org> To: Hongwei Zhang cc: idr@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@fictitious.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 EST." <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> From: Curtis Villamizar Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:47 -0500 In message <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu>, Hongwei Zhang writes: > Hi, > > I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would > announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If > this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? > > Thanks and have a nice weekend, > > Hongwei If you mean different next hop, that happens all the time. Most prefix are announced 2-5 times into a given IBGP. If you mean different AS path, that happens too if the announcing AS is using IGP cost as a matter of preference and has diffent private peering near your peerings. This doesn't happen as often but does happen and almost any AS can find a lot of these cases. Is there a reason for the question? Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03947 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEyT-0006U9-BH; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:21:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIExe-0006ST-9J for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10880 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044t-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.216.42]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIExb-00044Z-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from cis.ohio-state.edu (185.netlab.ohio-state.edu [164.107.61.185]) by mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HO00065B60PRK@mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu> for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Hongwei Zhang To: idr@ietf.org Message-id: <3FAC1A5D.8030002@cis.ohio-state.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Idr] Would one AS announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:09 -0500 Hi, I wonder if, in practice, two BGP speakers within the same AS would announce to another AS two different routes for the same destination? If this could happen, I wonder if it is a common practice or not? Thanks and have a nice weekend, Hongwei _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01181 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIEA9-0002NG-Vn; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:29:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIE9d-0002H0-QO for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08555 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EK-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.115]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIE9b-0003EH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 48543 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 21:28:26 -0000 Message-ID: <012a01c3a574$efed46c0$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:20:15 -0600 Yup I agree on all counts - thought the same. Thanks for all the help. Parag ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny McPherson To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates > > On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > > part of > > initial routing updates. > > No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think > of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates > during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why > they'd better accept them. > > > > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > > End-Of-RIB. > > Yes. > > -danny > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00187 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDsk-00008w-95; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:11:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDry-0008Va-Ep for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07591 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrw-0002wI-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDrv-0002vm-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:10:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D3220299 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CE6AD2E-1166-11D8-85DB-000393D54EA6@arbor.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0700 On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:51 AM, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Hi, > > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be > part of > initial routing updates. No, BGP does not (as has been mentioned already). I can't think of a reason why an implementation would want to "disallow" updates during initial synchronization, though I CAN think of reasons why they'd better accept them. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. Yes. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28809 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDUY-0007Hh-Af; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIDU1-0007BD-2T for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06908 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002gf-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIDTz-0002ep-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC3D2D4880; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22638-01-85; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DFA2D4819; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Updated Agenda for IETF Thread-Index: AcOlcAAar4U7nFdITWiBrwqVpbOIbg== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , , , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] Updated Agenda for IETF Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:44:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id PAA28809 Here's the Agenda: 1. IDR Documents status update (5 mins) S. Hares & Y. Rekhter 2. draft-chavali-bgp-prefixlimit-00.txt (15 mins) Luyuan Fang, Sue Hares, Srikanth Chavali 3. draft-chen-bgp-avoid-collision-00.txt (15 mins) Enke Chen, Jenny Yuan 4. draft-py-idr-redisfilter-00.txt (15 mins) Jeroen Massar, Rob Thomas, Team Cymru, William Leibzon, Michel Py 5. draft-nalawade-bgp-soft-notify-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Keyur Patel, John Scudder, David Ward 6. draft-nalawade-bgp-update-v2-00.txt (15 mins) Gargi Nalawade, Himanshu Shah 7. draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt (15 minutes) John Scudder ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24714 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICKw-0002B6-4T; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AICK0-000246-Ib for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03148 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001oR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AICJx-0001nX-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2003 11:35:44 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (router.cisco.com [64.101.214.30]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hA7JURmU000512; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.101.214.237] (dhcp-64-101-214-237.cisco.com [64.101.214.237]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28868; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> To: "Parag Deshpande" From: "John G. Scudder" Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Cc: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:30:15 -0500 At 10:51 AM -0600 11/7/03, Parag Deshpande wrote: >Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. >I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of >initial routing updates. No, it doesn't. >In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving >End-Of-RIB. Yes, it should. --John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18196 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQt-0002PZ-O3; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:30:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIAQp-0002Oz-Jd for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25796 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005x-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIAQn-00005f-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:29:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ADD2D4827; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18293-01-3; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [65.247.36.31]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7794B2D48D8; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id hA7HTIQ16806; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Haas To: Parag Deshpande Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Message-ID: <20031107122918.C7940@nexthop.com> References: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com>; from paragdeshpande@sdksoft.com on Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:29:18 -0500 IMO, this is an implementation detail. The "initial blast of routes" is intended to bring the BGP peer in synch as quickly as possible. However, you also don't want to delay convergence too much. Thus, if you need to send a withdraw for something you've sent, and you're not done with the intitial blast, go ahead. Theoretically the Min*Timers will keep this from being too much of an issue. On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:51:03AM -0600, Parag Deshpande wrote: > Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. > I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of > initial routing updates. > > In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving > End-Of-RIB. > > Thanks > Parag -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16613 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9xw-0008VV-Bj; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:00:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI9x5-0008Sx-NU for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21985 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x4-0007UR-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:14 -0500 Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.114]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI9x3-0007UH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:59:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 51213 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.3) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool151-44.nas8.minneapolis1.mn.us.da.qwest.net (HELO charita) (67.4.151.44) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 16:59:12 -0000 Message-ID: <006801c3a54f$54c80560$cbc8c8c8@sdksoft.com> From: "Parag Deshpande" To: idr@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] Inital Routing Updates Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:51:03 -0600 Hi, Let's say all routers support End-Of-RIB. I was just curious to know if bgp disallows withdrawn routes to be part of initial routing updates. In other words should a router accept withdrawn routes before receiving End-Of-RIB. 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Nicky Taylor
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02859 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHoUE-00079a-3W; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHoUC-00079I-V9 for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:04:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20712 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoUB-00053O-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:59 -0500 Received: from [81.199.84.81] (helo=localhst2840.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHoU4-00053D-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:03:55 -0500 From: "GANI ALABI" Reply-To: ganialabi101@indiatimes.com To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] PARTNERSHIP REQUEST Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:03:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id NAA02859 Union Bank Plc Nigeria I am the Manager Bill and Exchange of the Foreign Operations Department Union Bank Plc Lagos Nigeria. I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my bank with account number: 142552004/wb/t who died in November 1997 in a plane crash. Since we got the information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we cannot release unless somebody applies for it as the next of Kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. And since no one has come forward to claim the fund for years now, we discovered/realized that that the fund (US$12.8m) the account no: 142552004/wb/t has been abandoned. As the deceased is from your country it will enable us proceed the release of the money to you. It is therefore upon this discovery that I and two other senior officials in the department now decided to make business with you and release the money to you as the Next of Kin or relation of the deceased for safety keeping and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we do not want this money to go back into the Federal Government Account as Unclaimed Bill. This is because the banking Law and Guidelines here stipulated that if such money remains unclaimed after five years the money would be transferred into the Banking Treasury as unclaimed fund. It is in view of this, I got your contact through the foreign trade mission after I was convinced in my mind that you/your name could be used as the next of kin to the deceased. The request of a foreigner as Next of Kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer is a foreigner and a Nigeria cannot stand as a Next of Kin to a foreigner. I agreed that US$4.5M of this money/fund will be for you for your involvement, Three Hundred Thousand Dollars will be donated to charity while the rest will be for me and my partners. So upon the conclusion of this transaction and your receipt of this fund, I and two other of my colleagues will visit your country for the disbursement. Therefore, to enable the immediate transfer/release of the fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the Bank as a relation or Next of Kin of the deceased. Upon receipt of your reply I will send to you by fax Text of the Application and the next steps to take. I will also not fail to bring to your notice that this business is hitch free and that you should not entertain any fear as the whole required arrangement as been made for the transfer/release of the fund to you. Note: This transaction is confidential/risks free. As soon as you receive this email, you should contact me at once through the above stated email address. Thanks, trusting to hear from you immediately, Yours Sincerely, MR GANI ALABI _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA02992 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 04:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHgNk-00081b-9B; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:24:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHfug-0005zd-BK for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:54:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA29405 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 03:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHfud-00056u-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:54:43 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHfud-00056r-00 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:54:43 -0500 Received: from [216.185.65.90] (helo=192.168.3.40) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AHfuT-000872-Pi for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:54:37 -0500 From: "John Doe" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0" Reply-To: "John Doe" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: [Idr] Urgent Asistance Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:54:33 -0800 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Attn sir/madam, I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety. Please contact me immediately. With best regards, Nicky Taylor okoro2001@zwallet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" E-mail message content
Hello
Attn sir/madam,
I am Nicky Taylor, a resident in Monrovia Liberia, I urgently want to acquire properties eg, Two different houses in a very good city as soon as possible. There is a war currently going on in my country Hence i want to relocate my whole family for safety.
Please contact me immediately.
 
With best regards,
Nicky Taylor
okoro2001@zwallet.com
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C221EC.6C64F7B0-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22629 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHMKR-0003nX-Vk; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:00:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHMK1-0003mh-EM for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:59:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA01966 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHMJx-00023W-00 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:59:33 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AHMJw-00023R-00 for idr@ietf.org; 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Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgs@router Message-Id: To: idr@ietf.org From: "John G. Scudder" Cc: achandra@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [Idr] Multisession BGP draft Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:37:10 -0500 Folks, We've requested a slot at next week's IDR meeting to talk about draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt. As we missed the cutoff by a good bit, there's a version available here: ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/jgs/draft-scudder-bgp-multisession-00.txt It will be available there until the draft makes it into the regular Internet Drafts repository. The abstract is as follows: This specification augments "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4" [MP- BGP] by proposing a mechanism to allow multiple sessions to be used between a given pair of BGP speakers. Each session is used to transport routes for one or more AFI/SAFI. This provides an alternative to the current [MP-BGP] approach of multiplexing routes for all AFI/SAFI onto a single connection. Use of this approach is expected to increase the robustness of the BGP protocol as it is used to support more and more diverse AFI/SAFI. See you in Minneapolis. --John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26712 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6gk-0005W8-KJ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AH6ge-0005UJ-Pt for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28960 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gc-0003Dx-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:54 -0500 Received: from dns.nexthop.com ([65.247.36.216] helo=aa-mx1.nexthop.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AH6gb-0003Cq-00 for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:17:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA032D4859 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aa-mx1.nexthop.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aa-mx1.nexthop.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11181-01-98 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com (unknown [65.247.36.233]) by aa-mx1.nexthop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36882D4850 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RE: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Thread-Index: AcOjBcnJZpZOyYvHS3utj/ZpoBiTQA== From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nexthop.com Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:17:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id OAA26712 Folks, A couple queries have arrived asking if this is a "normal" review of the document. Yep, please review both the mechanisms and the "text" describing the mechanisms (of the message below). Sue ================Original message text=============== Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. 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------=_NextPart_000_0012_BA6F8911.4187AFC2-- _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10232 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkwf-0002zy-N1; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGkvl-0002xo-KF for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18042 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvi-0003jH-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from natint2.juniper.net ([207.17.136.150] helo=merlot.juniper.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGkvh-0003iY-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA3K3Vi36062; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311032003.hA3K3Vi36062@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org cc: Ross Callon , Rick Wilder , Ron Bonica , skh@nexthop.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <92874.1067889811.1@juniper.net> From: Yakov Rekhter Subject: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:03:31 -0800 Folks, This is to start the IDR Last Call on draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt. The scope of this Last Call is to confirm that the BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt use the existing BGP mechanisms that are either (a) RFCs, or (b) the IDR WG Internet Drafts. The BGP-related mechanisms used in draft-ietf-l3vpn-rfc2547bis-01.txt have been summarized in draft-rosen-l3vpn-2547bis-protocol-00.txt, and specifically on Section 2 of that draft. The Last Call ends Nov 18, 2003. Sue & Yakov. P.S. The Last Call is done at the request of the Routing AD (Alex Zinin). _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00134 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi3g-0000oL-9z; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:00:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGi2m-0000kq-9f for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10346 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2l-0000nc-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:07 -0500 Received: from dog.tcb.net ([64.78.150.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGi2k-0000mZ-00 for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from tcb.net (unknown [151.118.13.197]) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1156D2029D for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:29 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Danny McPherson To: idr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:58:21 -0700 Folks, We plan to progress this in GROW but feedback from this WG is welcome. The current version of the draft is available here: http://www.tcb.net/draft-mcpherson-grow-bgp-med-considerations-00.txt We'll submit to internet-drafts@ietf.org as soon as the submission window is reopened. Thanks! -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23156 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGFyg-0006g6-6f; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:01:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGFxt-0006dH-9G for idr@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:00:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12837 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGFxp-00052c-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:00:09 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGFxo-00052X-00 for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:00:08 -0500 Received: from ppp-32-43.mtl.aei.ca ([216.221.32.43] helo=btopenworld.com) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGFxe-0006J0-1a for idr@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:00:06 -0500 From: "--Ca-Books--" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Reply-To: "--Ca-Books--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Idr] --Federal provincial subsidies-- Sender: idr-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:59:53 -0500 CANADA BOOKS 26 CH. BELLEVUE ST-ANNE-DES-LACS QC, CANADA J0R 1B0 (450) 224-9275 PRESS RELEASE CANADIAN SUBSIDY DIRECTORY YEAR 2003 EDITION Legal Deposit-National Library of Canada ISBN 2-922870-05-7 The new revised edition of the Canadian Subsidy Directory 2003 is now available. The new edition is the most complete and affordable reference for anyone looking for financial support. It is deemed to be the perfect tool for new or existing businesses, individual ventures, foundations and associations. This Publication contains more than 2000 direct and indirect financial subsidies, grants and loans offered by government departments and agencies, foundations, associations and organisations. In this new 2003 edition all programs are well described. The Canadian Subsidy Directory is the most comprehensive tool to start up a business, improve existent activities, set up a business plan, or obtain assistance from experts in fields such as: Industry, transport, agriculture, communications, municipal infrastructure, education, import-export, labor, construction and renovation, the service sector, hi-tech industries, research and development, joint ventures, arts, cinema, theatre, music and recording industry, the self employed, contests, and new talents. Assistance from and for foundations and associations, guidance to prepare a business plan, market surveys, computers, and much more! The Canadian Subsidy Directory is sold $ 69.95, to obtain a copy please call: Canada Books...............(450) 224-9275 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr