From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 02 21:54:11 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXVEw-0000lp-W7; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:54:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXVEv-0000ku-5J for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:54:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26165 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54] helo=huawei.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXVTa-0006Hz-4M for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:09:21 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPC00ILSZ5B3C@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:11 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxml02-in ([172.24.1.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPC001L3Z5A3A@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:11 +0800 (CST) Received: from z37310 ([10.110.156.163]) by szxml02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IPC006UOZ514K@szxml02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:02 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:53:47 +0800 From: zhangzhifeng To: idr@ietf.org Message-id: <000601c5e021$d0539b90$a39c6e0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [Idr] New method for format of ExtCommunity then ExtCommunity can carry TOS of IP header and keep the ability for classifing route information X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1286192936==" Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1286192936== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Since BGP commuity can only classify routing information,if you want to apply QoS policy based on BGP ,you can use BGP community to classify route information, then apply the TOS or some other QoS policy based on the classified route information. For example: On the large network, to make classifing simple, usually, we can apply the QoS policy based on BGP. The process is as following: 1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we classify it by BGP community. 2. The accepter of BGP route information will match the classify route information then apply the policy. The process is complex. To make the process simple, we can use the ExtCommunity to support QoS task. If BGP Extended Community can map TOS value of IP header at the same time and keep the ability for classifing route information,the QoS policy based on BGP will be simple. For example: In the same AS, to make classifing simple. The process is as following: 1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we map the TOS value into ExtCommunity, and at the same time classify route information by ExtCommunity. The actions of classifying route information is optional, it is just for classifying route information. 2. The accepter of BGP route information can directly apply the TOS policy which is carried by ExtCommunity. The process is simple. --Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Since BGP commuity can only classify routing information,if you want to apply QoS policy based on BGP ,you can use BGP
 
community to classify route information, then apply the TOS or some other QoS policy based on the classified route
information.
 
   For example:
 
   On the large network, to make classifing simple, usually, we can apply the QoS policy based on BGP.
  
   The process is as following:
   1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we classify it by BGP community. 
   2. The accepter of BGP route information will match the classify route information then apply the policy.
 
   The process is complex.  
 
   To make the process simple, we can use the ExtCommunity to support
   QoS task.
  
   If BGP Extended Community can map TOS value of IP header at the same time and keep the ability for classifing route
 
information,the QoS policy based on BGP will be simple.
  
   For example:
   In the same AS, to make classifing simple.
 
   The process is as following:
   1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we map the TOS value into ExtCommunity, and at the same time classify
 
route information by ExtCommunity. The actions of classifying route information is optional, it is just for classifying route
 
information.
 
   2. The accepter of BGP route information can directly apply the TOS policy which is carried by ExtCommunity.
 
   The process is simple.
--Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA)-- --===============1286192936== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --===============1286192936==-- From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 03 12:15:19 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXicB-0001Tk-RX; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:11:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXic9-0001SI-He for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:11:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13512 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cat.tcb.net ([64.78.150.134] helo=dog.tcb.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXiqy-0003df-4U for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:26:21 -0500 Received: from [205.168.100.52] (dhcp3.tcb.net [205.168.100.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0764351 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:10:33 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3BCACCE3-0A32-457E-B239-96965B3927CF@tcb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: idr@ietf.org From: Danny McPherson Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:10:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 439b8e44c906b144bce6744ebb966e60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] RFC3065bis Implementation Report X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Included below is the RFC3065bis implementation report. I plan to add one additional vendor once I get a bit more information from them. I'll post to internet-drafts@ once the acceptance window for new drafts reopens. If you have comments, clarifications, or would like your implementation listed please send me email (note that I'm not planning to be at the upcoming meeting per a work conflict). Thanks! -danny ------------------------ INTERNET-DRAFT Danny McPherson Arbor Networks, Inc. Expires: May 2006 November 2005 RFC3065bis Implementation Report Status of this Memo By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress". The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/1id-abstracts.html The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). All Rights Reserved. McPherson, D. [Page 1] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 Abstract This document provides an implementation report for Autonomous System Confederations for BGP as defined in draft-ietf-idr- rfc3065bis-05.txt. The editor did not verify the accuracy of the information provided by respondents or by any alternative means. The respondents are experts with the implementations they reported on, and their responses are considered authoritative for the implementations for which their responses represent. McPherson, D. [Page 2] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2. Implementation Forms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2.1. Operations Compliance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2.2. AS_CONFED Segement Types and AS_PATH Handling . . . . . . . 5 2.3. AS_PATH Modification. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2.4. Error Handling. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.5. Path Selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.6. Interoperable Implementations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3. Security Considerations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4. Acknowledgments. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.1. Normative References. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.2. Informative References. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6. Author's Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 McPherson, D. [Page 3] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 1. Introduction Autonomous System Confederations for BGP describes an extension to BGP which may be used to create a confederation of autonomous systems that is represented as a single autonomous system to BGP peers external to the confederation, thereby removing the "full mesh" requirement inherent to BGP. The intention of this extension is to aid in policy administration and reduce the management complexity of maintaining a large autonomous system. This document provides an implementation report for Autonomous System Confederations for BGP as defined in draft-ietf-idr- rfc3065bis-05.txt. The editor did not verify the accuracy of the information provided by respondents or by any alternative means. The respondents are experts with the implementations they reported on, and their responses are considered authoritative for the implementations for which their responses represent. 2. Implementation Forms Contact and implementation information for person filling out this form: Name: Robert Raszuk Email: raszuk@cisco.com Vendor: Cisco Systems Inc Release: IOS and IOS-XR Name: Manish Vora Email: Manish.Vora@ecitele.com Vendor: ECI Telecom (formerly Laurel Networks) Release: Shadetree 3.2 2.1. Operations Compliance Does your implementation follow the procedures outlined in the Operation Section of [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES McPherson, D. Section 2.1. [Page 4] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 ECI: YES 2.2. AS_CONFED Segement Types and AS_PATH Handling Does your implementation recognize the two AS_CONFED Segment Types (AS_CONFED_SET and AS_CONFED_SEQUENCE) defined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation use it's Member-AS number in all transactions with peers that are members of the same BGP confederation as the local speaker? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation treat receipt of an AS_PATH attribute containing an autonomous system matching its own AS Confederation Identifier in the same fashion as if it had received a path containing its own AS number? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation treat receipt of an AS_PATH attribute containing an AS_CONFED_SEQUENCE or AS_CONFED_SET which contains its own Member-AS Number in the same fashion as if it had received a path containing its own AS number? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.3. AS_PATH Modification Does your implementation follow the AS_PATH Modification Rules outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES McPherson, D. Section 2.3. [Page 5] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 2.4. Error Handling Does your implementation follow the Error Handling procedures outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.5. Path Selection Does your implementation follow the Path Selection guidelines outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.6. Interoperable Implementations List other implementations that you have tested for Autonomous System Confederatins for BGP [RFC3065bis]: Cisco: JUNOS, IOS, IOS-XR, Redback, GateD ECI: IOS, JUNOS, Redback 3. Security Considerations 4. Acknowledgments To Be Supplied... McPherson, D. Section 4. [Page 6] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 5. References 5.1. Normative References [BGP-4] Rekhter, Y., Li, T., and Hares, S., "A Border Gateway Protocol 4", Internet-Draft, "Work in Progress". [RFC 1965] Traina, P. "Autonomous System Confederations for BGP", RFC 1965, June 1996. [RFC 3065] Traina, P., McPherson, D. and Scudder, J., "Autonomous System Confederations for BGP", RFC 3065, February 2001. 5.2. Informative References [RFC 1771] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "A Border Gateway Protocol 4 (BGP-4)", RFC 1771, March 1995. [RFC 1863] Haskin, D., "A BGP/IDRP Route Server alternative to a full mesh routing", RFC 1863, October 1995. [RFC 2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", RFC 2119, March 1997. 6. Author's Address Danny McPherson Arbor Networks, Inc. Phone: +1 303.470.9257 EMail: danny@arbor.net McPherson, D. Section 6. [Page 7] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 Intellectual Property Statement The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any Intellectual Property Rights or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to the implementation or use of the technology described in this document or the extent to which any license under such rights might or might not be available; nor does it represent that it has made any independent effort to identify any such rights. Information on the procedures with respect to rights in RFC documents can be found in BCP 78 and BCP 79. Copies of IPR disclosures made to the IETF Secretariat and any assurances of licenses to be made available, or the result of an attempt made to obtain a general license or permission for the use of such proprietary rights by implementers or users of this specification can be obtained from the IETF on-line IPR repository at http://www.ietf.org/ipr. The IETF invites any interested party to bring to its attention any copyrights, patents or patent applications, or other proprietary rights that may cover technology that may be required to implement this standard. Please address the information to the IETF at ietf-ipr@ietf.org. Disclaimer of Validity This document and the information contained herein are provided on an "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE REPRESENTS OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). This document is subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. 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[Page 8] _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 08 19:03:11 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZdQl-0002Qn-QO; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:03:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZdQk-0002Qg-OS for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:03:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16806 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZdgd-0005u8-Pc for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jA902wBm049379 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jA902wG40936 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511090002.jA902wG40936@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16842.1131494577.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 Subject: [Idr] IDR WG minutes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Please review and comment for correctness. The deadline for comments is Nov 21, 2005. Yakov. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:16:35 -0600 From: David Ward To: , , David Ward Subject: Notes from IDR IETF 64 Not much discussion this time ... IDR IETF 64 - ------------- 0. Doc Status a. new draft to be reissued for 4-octet AS b. AS Confeds - implementation report submitted and spec will go as PS c. GR - post AD comments to PS d. RR - have IESG comments, revised draft sub. and back to editor e. 1863 went to historic f. ton of stuff on editor queue (all to be pub'ed as package vs individual docs) g. MPBGP, Cease notify at editor h. a lot no progress (see slides) due to lack of implementation report Pekka Savola: what is status of BGP MIB v2 YR: no implemenation report ... no progress - ------------- 1. as 4 octet commmunity - Rehkter no slides Ext comm needs to be able to support 4 byte ASN ext comm Existing doc removed language New doc published for support (to not get in way of ext comm doc) New doc produced via cut and paste protocol It is currently individual submission Could be WG doc but, it will sit until any implementations Geoff Huston: It should be a WG draft Take it to the list ... to be WG doc 1A. YR request from Tony Li to make AS hop count a WG document sent to list and only got few replies asked room ... no concensus ... not WG doc yet - ------------- 2. ORF groups - Hares See slides for structure of UPDATE See slides for usage scenarios Geoff Huston: You have small parts of a boolean language ... why not go all the way? Sue: We were told during the last two meetings that we should shrink back the functionality GH: Just add groups in groups and go for full boolean logic We have had a lot of arguments/discussion on this topic and request more input. GH: Can't determine beforehand how complex someone may want to get Vach: What about other operands? E.g. "Not" Need to see what you want or we are going full bore ... Enke: If goal is to simplify config .. .but, ORF originally was not to simplify config but, to improve performance. It is unclear how the config is simplified. Sue: It is an effort to expand power of config Kireeti: The language is not boolean complete Rudiger: The language helps the pain w/ config - ------------- 3. Context AF - Ward See slides Yakov: Clarification if we need to have larger work in IETF DWard: It is not dependent on that work and can work with existing technology A document will be written that associates diffserv architecture to this work. - ------------- 4. Enke Chen - Extended Open Parameters See slides Problem ... we are running out of capability space NAME? How does it work w/ ORF Enke: It should work just fine. I don't understand. - ------------- 5. Chandra Appanna - Aggregate Withdraw See slides Ron Bonica: Does this have a mechanism to prevent WD another's routes Chandra: That is implicit in the protocol Ron: Can it be propagated? Chandra: Not transitive Yakov: Could be made transitive Chandra: Yes but, we don't pass along WDs today and thus, the draft keeps Yakov: Time to WD could be plugged in today w/o Aggregate WD Chandra: This is much more convenient given the other positive attributes Pekka; if using SBGP or soBGP would it require special processing? Chandra: No but, haven't thought about it much Yakov: Please make it transitive. If you use communities, it will be easily transitive. Do we need the others? - ------------- 6. Gargi - Tunneling applications see slides Yakov: Connector attribute carries a shortand for the tunnel, not just the endpoint Gargi: Yes Yakov: It is even more than shortand but, a list of preferences for a set of tunnels Gargi: Yes, there is nothing in the draft that prevents this from happening Yakov: Most work going on in L3VPN but, IDR will oversee - ------------- 7. Gargi - Multicast signaling using BGP see slides No comments Out of Time ....... ------- End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 09 11:32:13 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZsrt-0006xV-Mw; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:32:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZsrr-0006wD-Vz for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:32:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19996 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZt7u-000184-Hw for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:48:47 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jA9GW2Bm056038 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jA9GW2G64941 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511091632.jA9GW2G64941@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <64694.1131553922.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:32:02 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c Subject: [Idr] notes from the WG meeting X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Please review and comment for correctness. The deadline for comments is Nov 21, 2005. Yakov. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:07:16 -0800 From: Larry Blunk To: skh@nexthop.com, yakov@juniper.net Subject: notes - --0-67043162-1131502036=:68032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Sue, Here are my notes. I missed some of the exchange between Yakov and Gargi over the BGP Connector Attribute. -Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com - --0-67043162-1131502036=:68032 Content-Type: text/plain; name="idr-notes.txt" Content-Description: 4180351827-idr-notes.txt Content-Disposition: inline; filename="idr-notes.txt" IDR WG Meeting Notes - Nov. 8, 2005 1:00 - 3:00 PM recorded by Larry J. Blunk ljb@merit.edu Yakov - Review of document status -- refer to slides Enke to produce implementation reports for outbound route filtering and ... Pekka - what is the status of the version 2 MIB? Sue - needs two implem entations Yakov - as4octect-ext-community no implementations, will be published separately from ext. communities so as no to hold up ext. comm. An individual submission for now. Should this be a WG item or should it die? Geoff Huston - don't let it die. Want to be able to signal from 2 AS c omm. to 4 byte AS comm. Consensus is to make it a WG item. Will send to mailing list and see i f any objections to making WG item Tony Li send email to list that he would like to make AS hopcount draft a WG item. Pekka did not support. only 6-7 have read, 4 votes to make it a WG item. Yakov - service pro viders please read doc. and let people know if you want it to be WG item. Sue Hares - Group Cooperative Route Filtering Capability for BGP-4 - slides Want something like a "route-map" function for ORF. Create ordered group s of policies. Apply group policies before non-group. Use AND/OR bit to specify how ordered po licy groups are applied. Examples provided about how this capability would be used. Question - Geoff - trying to construct a pseudo Boolean which is subset of true boolean - why not go other 10% to full boolean. Feedback has been to scaleback to limited language. All you need is to allow groups in groups. Someone likely have a case that requires f ull boolean logic. Authors have argued about whether it is needed. Geoff - hard to know in advance. Comment - could you add a NOT to make it complete? Enke - goal is to simplify and to improve performance. Sue - not performa nce issue. Will take back comments about missing functionality and update draft and b ring to WG. David Ward - BGP for Interdomain Service Routing (aka Context AFI) - slides Interdomain QOS. Led by Dave Clark at MIT. Yakov comment - not only BGP can't signal path characteristics - nothing c an. Want to announce a service not a packet marking - must have opaque semanti cs for QOS bits on either side of AS boundary. minimal changes to BGP - no BGP5. multisession BGP to rem ove fate sharing. advertise multiple paths to same dest. aggregate withdraw. Context AF fo r BGP. QOS value 0-255. The ID itself is opaque and does note define a local QOS semantics. exchanges QOS service information - enabling service differentiation. Sue - this looks like old IDR QOS revisited. Dave - what's new is always old. Divergent from QOS bit. Semantic free and opaque. Service 42 is available but no meaning to seman tics. Sue - are you mixing QOS pieces? Sue - timeliness issue. How do you ensure announcement is the re in time. Chandra Comment - could be useful to an application to group together prefi x/service - don't need to go to IANA. Yakov - will you have different SAFI values for different AFI's? Dave - could negotiate to RD's are all the way down to RT's, but less flexi ble. Yakov - WG comment. Bigger picture does not belong in IDR, only BGP change s. Yakov - should the bigger picture come first. Sue - is all you are asking for is a different AFI? Dave - Yes. Add path and agg. withdraw would help, but not truly necessary. Sue - AD's what is process for new AFI? Bill - it say s nothing, would be sent to IESG which would send to back IDR. Yakov - would IESG like to see big picture? Alex - not ready to answer that question, would like to see discussion on list. Dave - Propose MAVs BOF to discuss QOS things not rel ated to BGP. Dave - this is indepedent. Alex - if working group discusses and believes it can be used for other tec hnologies and there is strong support. Yakov - there was discussion of tunnel setup. Dave - I don't believe there are dependen cies between outcome of MAVs BOF and this proposal. Alex - sounds like discussion and consensus is needed. Bruce Davie from Cisco - feels work does stand alone if you assume there is a diffserv architecture. can look at diffserv architecture for big picture context. Yakov - can someone write document about how this fits into diffserv. Bruce will find someone to do that. Enke Chen - BGP extended optional parameters draft - slides BGP capabilities in optional parameters field which is limited to 255 byte s. number of capabilities could exceed this amount. introduce extended optional parameters. Can carry extended options in open message and indicate whether there will be a second OPEN message with ext. optional parameters. Question - what if you have ORF capability? Enke - you only do ORF after connection is established - will talk later. Sue - were state machine changes included? John promised to do it. Nee ded to move forward. Enke - should this become a WG item? Don't need it today, but could be im portant tomorrow. Only 4 or so have read. Yakov wants more people to read before progressing. Work will not be done if no interest. Chandra Appanna - BGP Aggregate Withdraw - slides Introduced by David. Currently one withdraw per advertised prefix. incom ing withdraw processing is per prefix -- impacts network convergence. send a withdraw with common at tributes. Ron Bonica - is there mechanism to ensure that you only withdraw routes th at you announce? Chandra - routes are only for a particular session. Current draft is not transitiv e, but it could be so. Yakov - time-to-withdraw could be used without agg. withdraw. Chandra - yes. Pekka - if we are using Secure BGP or SOBGP will it require special proces sing? Chandra - no, but haven't thought about it. Sue - how does this relate to withdraw bags of routes, not sure. Will take offline. Dave - with agg. withdraw you match on attributes unlike bags. Could be ASPATH, Origin, etc. Chandra - designed to be general. Yakov - could mark and organize by extended comm unities instead. Dave - if it's too much flexilibility, that's okay. Dave - WG could determine that only communities are needed. Yakov - not clear how to propagate agg. withdraw if applied to things other than commu nities. Will take this offline. WG needs to decide if it wants to propagate agg. withdraw. Gargi Nalawade - BGP Connector Attribute - slides Tunneling applications exist or are being proposed in BGP. Tunnel endpoi nt discovery. Most of work will be done l3vpn working group, but presenting in IDR for feedback here. Gargi Nalawade - multicast signaling using BGP - slides other work going on in other WG. PE-PE signaling for Multicast VPNs. usin g BGP for non-LAN based Multicast VPNs. Enhancement required in BGP. 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space Author(s) : Q. Vohra, E. Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2005-11-11 Currently the Autonomous System number is encoded as a two-octet entity in BGP. This document describes extensions to BGP to carry the Autonomous System number as a four-octet entity. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : AS-wide Unique BGP Identifier for BGP-4 Author(s) : E. Chen, J. Yuan Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2005-11-11 To accommodate situations where the current requirements for the BGP Identifier are not met, this document relaxes the definition of the BGP Identifier to be a 4-octet unsigned, non-zero integer, and relaxes the "uniqueness" requirement so that only AS-wide uniqueness of the BGP Identifiers is required. These revisions to the base BGP specification do not introduce any backward compatibility issue. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-11-11130629.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-11-11130629.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --NextPart-- From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 11 15:50:52 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EafrI-0001Qn-J0; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EafqY-00015B-IA; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05022; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag6z-0005p7-DF; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:07:06 -0500 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EafqU-00080U-4o; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Address Prefix Based Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4 Author(s) : E. Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2005-11-11 This document defines a new Outbound Router Filter type for BGP, termed "Address Prefix Outbound Route Filter", that can be used to perform address prefix based route filtering. This ORF-type supports prefix length or range based matching, wild-card based address prefix matching, as well as the exact address prefix matching for address families. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-11-11130447.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-11-11130447.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --NextPart-- From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 11 17:32:21 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EahRV-0004Rp-2o; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EahRS-0004Qm-RN for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA22774 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eahhy-0005qJ-5n for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:49:22 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2005 14:32:10 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jABMW7ag009492; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43751BE7.5070205@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:32:07 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, folks: Thanks for all the comments on the 4byte AS Number draft during the IDR WG last call. The revised version (-12.txt) includes the following changes based on the comments: o expanded the "Processing Received Updates" section: - added text on how to handle the new attributes in the case of "double aggregation". - clarified the procedures for re-constructing the AS path info. o added the Introduction section. o added text for the AS number allocation in the IANA Considerations section. o split the references into normative, and non-normative sections. o referenced the new draft "Four-octet AS Specific BGP Extended Community". o removed the section numbers for "Status of this Memo", and "Abstract". o removed the "Interaction Between OLD BGP Speaker" section. o removed a reference in the abstract. o used the right case for "MAY", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "MUST" when appropriate. o other minor editorial changes. -- Enke Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space > Author(s) : Q. Vohra, E. Chen > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2005-11-11 > >Currently the Autonomous System number is encoded as a two-octet > entity in BGP. This document describes extensions to BGP to carry the > Autonomous System number as a four-octet entity. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 11 21:47:00 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EalPw-0001aR-5e; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EalPv-0001aH-2I; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:46:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA05368; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: nudtzhangxz@263.net Received: from smtp.263.net ([211.150.96.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EalgR-00076H-BS; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:04:04 -0500 Received: by smtp.263.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3256023701; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:46:36 +0800 (CST) To: idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-request@ietf.org Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:46:36 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XMail-3.0 Message-Id: <20051112024636.3256023701@smtp.263.net> X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 Subject: [Idr] (no subject) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0128877697==" Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org --===============0128877697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 c3Vic2NyaWJlIGlkci1wb3N0DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0NCjI2M7Xn19PTyrz+o63QxcC108rX1Neo0rU= --===============0128877697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --===============0128877697==-- From idr-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 12 23:24:34 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eb9Pu-00066S-OD; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eb9Pt-00066J-QL for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11098 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eb9gd-0003j0-P8 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:41:53 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAD4OGBm091443; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAD4OCp13585; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> To: "Bill Fenner" , zinin@psg.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <344.1131855851.1@juniper.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:11 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: skh@nexthop.com, idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 4 bytes AS to PS X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Bill and Alex, The IDR WG would like to ask the IESG to advance draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt to a Proposed Standard. The implementation report is draft-huston-idr-as4bytes-survey-00.txt Sue & Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 18:45:28 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcWy0-0004Cb-HH; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:45:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcWxy-0004C8-9a for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:45:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07865 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [63.240.77.82] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXFU-0007VI-2i for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-67-180-169-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.180.169.111]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051116234504012002bg5te>; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:45:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: idr@ietf.org From: Tony Li Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:45:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little discussion but the responses to the mailing list were clearly favorable. As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. Thanks, Rex & Joe & Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 18:58:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXAp-0007wr-JR; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXAn-0007uv-Fn for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08701 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXSJ-0007zs-HP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0500 Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10410163FC4; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 027JkPX7m0074Mo2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:12 GMT Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 026JkPX7k0126Mo2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:10 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:11 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID906JkPX7L9488Xo2 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:58:10 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:58:09 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrCDmYz+Ct8xuwSh6+kVxT10SYMAAABIkQ From: "Susan Hares" To: "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 23:58:10.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[990AEBF0:01C5EB09] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Tony, Rex and Joe:=20 Thank-you for the nice reminder. =20 We did a WG last call on the document and got 4 (or so) replies. This level of interest is light for a WG document.=20 As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday?=20 Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft to say so on the list starting Monday?=20 Sue and Yakov PS - Yakov's on travel this week so his response may be slow. -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:45 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Hi all, Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as-=20 hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little discussion but the responses to the mailing list =20 were clearly favorable. As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was =20 deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results may be skewed by the attendance of =20 the meeting itself. We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and =20 ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. Thanks, Rex & Joe & Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 19:07:19 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXJ9-00027a-Jv; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXJ6-00027P-GZ for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA09382 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXab-0008MW-Rc for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-67-180-169-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.180.169.111]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511170006590110026kj1e>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:07:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A9E1FE0-F77B-4AE0-8A88-5C93DCC63274@tony.li> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:56 -0800 To: "Susan Hares" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org > As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the > timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our > suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > > Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? > Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft > to say > so on the list starting Monday? Thanks Sue... That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal issue... Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 19:12:11 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXNr-0004fU-PX; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:12:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXNq-0004fP-0y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:12:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA09608 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXfM-0008Vg-7O for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:30:17 -0500 Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BFE163747; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 891JkqaL20265Mo2; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:54 GMT Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 889JkqaL10265Mo2; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:52 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:52 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID006JkqaL19496Xo2 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:11:51 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:11:50 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrCtnxhDX+3CYqTOy0fd/IBY33xQAADqmg From: "Susan Hares" To: "Tony Li" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 00:11:51.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[82B33F40:01C5EB0B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org 30 or so folks with a clear consensus from the Service Providers would be a nice number. Of course, comments on the draft would be helpful. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:07 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the > timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our > suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > > Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? > Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft =20 > to say > so on the list starting Monday? Thanks Sue... That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal =20 issue... Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 20:23:35 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcYUx-0006tK-SN; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:23:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcYUw-0006tF-2F for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:23:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13154 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcYmR-0002EL-VU for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:41:42 -0500 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2005 17:23:23 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAH1NFOp002550; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:23:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437BDB88.3020304@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:23:20 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Sue: Based on the past history concerning new drafts for IDR, it may not be realistic to have 30 persons commenting on a particular draft. It seems to me the number needs to be lower for it to be useful. -- Enke Susan Hares wrote: >30 or so folks with a clear consensus from the Service Providers would >be a nice number. Of course, comments on the draft would be helpful. > >Sue > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:07 PM >To: Susan Hares >Cc: idr@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > > > > >>As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the >>timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our >>suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. >> >>Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? >>Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft >>to say >>so on the list starting Monday? >> >> > >Thanks Sue... > >That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response >would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal >issue... > >Tony > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 20:57:18 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcZ1Z-00080r-W9; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcZ1Y-00080m-Di for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15069 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay02.pair.com ([209.68.5.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcZJ3-0003Nb-Kq for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 91690 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 01:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO workhorse.faster-light.net) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 01:57:06 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 69.37.59.162 Received: from workhorse.faster-light.net (localhost.faster-light.net [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.faster-light.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAH1wPpS017432; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.faster-light.net) Message-Id: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:45:04 PST." <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@faster-light.net List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org In message <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Tony Li writes: > > > Hi all, > > Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- > hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little discussion but the > responses to the mailing list were clearly favorable. > > As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was > deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results > may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. > > We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and > ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > Thanks, > Rex & Joe & Tony Simple. Useful. Can be used to address the need that PTOMANE was focused on. What I said last time ... Should be a WG doc. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 02:15:13 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcdzF-0000qp-Qv; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:15:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecdz4-0000pl-IH for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:15:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA03619 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+9UfEo+5N6mqaroLWORxU9JrJRLUN/1nQ=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EceGe-0005sN-0T for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:33:13 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/TOWdCKLaKtG20USP8uhm56HCWAVegyYs@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH7EYgp002595; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:14:38 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:14:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Tony Li wrote: > Last month we sent around an email request asking that > draft-li-as-hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little > discussion but the responses to the mailing list were clearly > favorable. > As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was > deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results > may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. IIRC there was a pretty clear show of hands in Paris to adopt as WG document. > We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document > and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Ditat Deus. [God enriches] _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 02:53:23 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EceaB-00037W-8X; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:53:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecea9-00037R-OI for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:53:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05238 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from detebe.org ([195.34.187.2] helo=new.detebe.org ident=exim) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eceri-00071g-GT for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:11:32 -0500 Received: from elmi by new.detebe.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1EceZt-000FJr-5R; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:53:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:53:05 +0100 From: "Elmar K. Bins" To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Message-ID: <20051117075304.GR96756@new.detebe.org> References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: unorganized since 1789 X-Whisky: Knockando, extra old reserve X-Ncc-RegID: de.denic X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Just to give it some leverage... paul@clubi.ie (Paul Jakma) wrote: > >We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document > >and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. I second that and would like to see it implemented. Elmar. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 05:44:19 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EchFb-00032a-AB; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:44:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EchFZ-00032P-BL for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:44:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA13106 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EchXA-0004Kw-9W for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:02:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHAhvv22760; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:43:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:43:57 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: >> We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and ask >> that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the intended) policy. That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount with value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it and the policy goal behind such use. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 06:25:42 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Echte-0000xe-5L; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Echtc-0000xY-Fq for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15146 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciBE-0005gz-Jk for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:43:53 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 03:25:30 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,341,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="231577675:sNHT25258144" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHBPS6a005007; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:26 -0500 Received: from [64.103.12.55] ([64.103.12.55]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:25:25 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 11:25:25.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AE80EC0:01C5EB69] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, > While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very > useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I > don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the > intended) policy. Your doubts that the idea may not address few possible interconnect topologies and may not be the universal solution for limiting update propagation for generations to come is IMHO not a sufficient argument not to progress with the draft and make it a WG doc to address all other much more controled AS meshes. Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from the core AS his problem is easily solved. Cheers, R. > That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount with > value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it and the > policy goal behind such use. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 06:32:49 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci0X-00036w-1g; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci0V-00034k-Ek for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15712 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciI7-00060e-BX for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:51:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHBWTo23748; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:29 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:29 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to > limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his domain. > The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal ASes. If he > configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from the core AS his > problem is easily solved. Are you saying that there are real topologies where there are about 3 levels of (hierarchical) ASes under one administrative domain where this kind of control would be desirable? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 06:41:00 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci8S-0006vq-T0; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:41:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci8Q-0006vl-H9 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16145 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciQ2-0006Ey-RO for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:59:12 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 03:40:49 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,342,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="15410963:sNHT21434744" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHBejln008223; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:45 -0500 Received: from [64.103.12.55] ([64.103.12.55]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <437C6C3C.2000806@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:40:44 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 11:40:44.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF132C60:01C5EB6B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, Correct ... To clarify it does not need to be 3 levels in a hierarchy. It can be just plain flat string of ASes. As described one core AS and few ASes around it. Thx, R. > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Robert Raszuk wrote: > >> Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants >> to limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his >> domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal >> ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) >> from the core AS his problem is easily solved. > > > Are you saying that there are real topologies where there are about 3 > levels of (hierarchical) ASes under one administrative domain where this > kind of control would be desirable? > > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 07:12:19 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecick-0007tZ-Sx; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:12:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecicj-0007st-2m for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:12:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17962 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19loAKvVvxFXFI8rkFxBT1you172t1fMH0=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eciu8-0007Fy-1h for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:30:18 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/m0qJzVlGK9fVD2vOK+FaTnd1okR+laLU@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHCBtRI005440; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:11:59 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:11:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Pekka Savola wrote: > While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very > useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, > I don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the > intended) policy. > That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount > with value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it > and the policy goal behind such use. The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to specify formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes today). If there is consensus on that (?), then it seems just as much effort to introduce and roll-out a new well-known community as the more generalised, yet still simple enough, hopcount attribute. The density of AS hierarchy, no idea. Perhaps at some stage we'll need a better well-known path metric than the current AS_PATH length. Granularity of 1 is obviously very coarse when average length is (what) 3.9? That's possibly an argument for maybe trying to future-proof AS_HOPCOUNT a bit with an additional type to allow for any future refinement of metrics maybe. Nature of such refinements, who knows - for another thread some other day ;). regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress. -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 13:13:52 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcoGe-00047n-ED; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcoGb-00046R-Vf for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11517 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcoYH-0003WA-MU for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:07 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 10:13:40 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHIDZ6a001470; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437CC84F.6080409@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:13:35 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Well, as folks already started voting, let me add mine too: The draft should be adopted as an IDR WG document as it provides a useful tool to help reduce the routing table size. -- Enke Susan Hares wrote: >Tony, Rex and Joe: > >Thank-you for the nice reminder. > >We did a WG last call on the document and got 4 (or so) replies. This >level of interest is light for a WG document. > >As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the >timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our >suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > >Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? >Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft to say >so on the list starting Monday? > > >Sue and Yakov > >PS - Yakov's on travel this week so his response may be slow. > >-----Original Message----- >From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Tony Li >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:45 PM >To: idr@ietf.org >Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > > >Hi all, > >Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- >hopcount-03 become a WG document. >There was little discussion but the responses to the mailing list >were clearly favorable. > >As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was >deemed that there was insufficient >interest, although these results may be skewed by the attendance of >the meeting itself. > >We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and >ask that those interested in this >document speak up on-list. > >Thanks, >Rex & Joe & Tony > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 13:35:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecobn-000438-0B; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecobm-000433-1Y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12700 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcotO-0004H8-K5 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:53:58 -0500 Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ecobh-0007Xt-3d for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHIXLx32559; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:33:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:33:21 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: > The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to specify > formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes > today). But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to (AFAICS) both: 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. We don't care where that traffic comes from". For that the feature could be useful. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 14:19:04 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcpHk-00057m-Su; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcpHj-00057e-5X for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15291 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcpZN-0005oW-AL for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:37:20 -0500 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA17669; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-AV-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id jAHJImY09016; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:18:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-SW-2V1.sw.nos.boeing.com ([129.172.87.194]) by xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:46 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrpq1aCwqoEsA/TImkdPHDix2rVAAAb3EQ From: "Loa, Kanchei" To: "Pekka Savola" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 19:18:46.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB284280:01C5EBAB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org >> The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to=20 >> specify >> formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes=20 >> today). > > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Someone's=20 > policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional or national=20 > traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does not fulfill=20 > that goal, as the site who sends the community has to (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount >=20 > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very=20 > useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing policy in such a tightly regulated environment. I guess we are qualified as large ISPs even though completely isolated from the commercial one. The draft should be adopted as an IDR WG document as it provides a=20 useful tool to control the routing policy. Kanchei --------------------------------------------- Kanchei Loa The Boeing Company _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 15:22:18 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcqGw-0002Tz-0v; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:22:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcqGu-0002Tj-FV for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:22:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA17671 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcqYW-0007R6-KM for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:40:33 -0500 Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19lswL4kW9qg/BKlYviBfki/TIyJvkaqBM=]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ecq0g-0007Av-By for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:30 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19uOXxgbDE2JhvIOmAucynclGpHGcjnJfU@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHK4mK5012634; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:04:51 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:04:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Pekka Savola wrote: > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Is it intended for such specific policy though? It seems intended more as a "green" bgp-eco-friendly feature, limiting the scope of 'noisy' routes generally, than as a way to implement very specific policy. > Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional > or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does > not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to > (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount > > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very useful tool > for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. ACK. > But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something > much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll > try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of > inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. > We don't care where that traffic comes from". Yep. Or just restricting more specifics so that only 1/x (where X is I guess not a terribly large integer, given the average path length) of the internet has to burdened, rather than all of it. > For that the feature could be useful. I reckon so too. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Compliment, n.: When you say something to another which everyone knows isn't true. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 16:44:55 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcrYt-000438-Mf; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcrYr-00041f-FT for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27771 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from astrolabe.info.ucl.ac.be ([130.104.229.109] helo=info.ucl.ac.be) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcrqY-0003lt-Ol for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:03:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bismarck [130.104.229.58]) by info.ucl.ac.be (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAHLibik016190; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:44:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <437CF9C1.6080509@info.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:44:33 +0100 From: Olivier Bonaventure User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raszuk@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.91.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-INGI-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INGI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma , Pekka Savola X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Robert, > >> While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very >> useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I >> don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the >> intended) policy. > > Your doubts that the idea may not address few possible interconnect > topologies and may not be the universal solution for limiting update > propagation for generations to come is IMHO not a sufficient argument > not to progress with the draft and make it a WG doc to address all other > much more controled AS meshes. > > Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to > limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his > domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal > ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from > the core AS his problem is easily solved. In this case, since the same operator owns a number of ASes, it looks easier to use communities or extended communities to achieve the same goal. This can be made more explicit in the BGP configurations and does not suffer from problems when the interconnection between the ASes change. Olivier _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 19:48:50 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcuQs-00082g-9j; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcuQp-0007zK-RD for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08855 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcuiZ-0001dD-Nr for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:07:08 -0500 Received: from octopus.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.5]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcuSp-00054Z-0p; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:50:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:11 -0500 To: Pekka Savola X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On 17-Nov-2005, at 13:33, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: > >> The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to >> specify formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities >> offered by some ASes today). > > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? > Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional > or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does > not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to > (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, > and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount > > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very > useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. I agree it is no magic bullet. The problem at the moment for people who wish to experiment with short-distance propagation of routes is that there are very few tools in the toolbox; there's NO_EXPORT and there's ad-hoc community attribute support from various providers, which is expensive to implement if you have a lot of external sessions. The AS_HOPCOUNT attribute is a differently-shaped screwdriver, but nobody should expect it to fit every single kind of screw. The toolbox is currently so empty that any additional tools would be welcome, however. > But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something > much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll > try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of > inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. We > don't care where that traffic comes from". > > For that the feature could be useful. Right. I think this mechanism is of limited interest to ASes who connect near the topological centre of the Internet (as measured, loosely- speaking, according to where traffic is sunk or sourced), since the set of routes with an AS_PATH length of 1 can frequently represent most traffic sinks or sources, and the rest doesn't always represent enough to bother optimising. However, outside the big markets of North America and Western Europe (and parts of Africa connected by tier-1 satellite operators, interestingly), the geo-economic difference between routes with an AS_PATH length of (say) 2 and 5 can be very useful to distinguish between. One additional application for this attribute that I don't think I've seen in this thread is controlling the propagation of covering prefixes for anycast services. This application is very similar to the problem of inter-domain traffic engineering, but it's slightly different and hence arguably worth mentioning. (See the discussion of "local nodes" in draft-ietf-grow-anycast-02, for example. I'm happy to expand on this here if people think that would be useful.) Joe _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 18 01:20:59 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EczcJ-0006Y4-N3; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EczcI-0006Xu-3X for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24881 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eczu3-0002q6-Tk for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:39:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAI6Kdu12911; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:20:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:20:39 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: "Loa, Kanchei" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Loa, Kanchei wrote: > These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US > defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing > policy in such a tightly regulated environment. I'd expect tightly regulated environments have a much higher security requirements, and I doubt dependence on interpretation of a new attribute is sufficient. If I were participating in such an environment, I'd be setting up very tight prefix-list and/or AS-path filters at the edges. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 18 03:56:35 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ed22s-00063a-Sd; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:56:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ed22r-00063S-Aw for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:56:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA02036 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ed2Kc-0007Vv-FE for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:14:57 -0500 Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com ([192.42.227.216]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id AAA27498; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-AV-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id jAI8uDH00515; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-SW-2V1.sw.nos.boeing.com ([129.172.87.194]) by xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:56:13 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXsCDtLNI3bl4i/RAeRkzqQL4uSUAAE68BQ From: "Loa, Kanchei" To: "Pekka Savola" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 08:56:13.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED6C9490:01C5EC1D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org >> These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US=20 >> defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing >> policy in such a tightly regulated environment. > > I'd expect tightly regulated environments have a much higher security=20 > requirements, and I doubt dependence on interpretation of a new=20 > attribute is sufficient. If I were participating in such an=20 > environment, I'd be setting up very tight prefix-list and/or AS-path=20 > filters at the edges. You are right that it is not sufficient for routing security, which is a completely different beast in such environment. This draft simply provide extra BGP tool to control the fine-grained prefix propagation and reduce the size of global routing table without the need to configure prefix filtering at every possible choke points and re-configure them again whenever there is a new prefix added. Kanchei --------------------------------------------- Kanchei Loa The Boeing Company _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 18 16:45:27 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdE2x-0002j5-JW; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:45:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdE2w-0002j0-Ee for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:45:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12609 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.telstra.net ([203.50.0.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EdEKp-0004rC-Tu for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:03:57 -0500 Received: from gihm3.apnic.net (dhcp24.potaroo.net [203.10.60.24]) by kahuna.telstra.net (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAILj4Xt014640 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:45:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gih@apnic.net) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051119080526.02fa1b18@kahuna.telstra.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:13:57 +1100 To: idr@ietf.org From: Geoff Huston Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> References: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org I'm in favour of adopting the hop count draft Geoff _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 18 17:30:23 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdEkR-0004ZI-Ek; 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format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:29:49 -0700 To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: > I'm in favour of adopting the hop count draft I believe it's generally useful and a worthwhile WG item as well. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 21 14:33:51 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeHQF-0007OF-7F; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeHQD-0007O7-SN for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28139 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.jlc.net ([199.201.159.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeHii-0005nI-Ik for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:52:57 -0500 Received: by mailhost.jlc.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 2BEB6E0497; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:35 -0500 From: John Leslie To: Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 bytes AS to PS Message-ID: <20051121193335.GA20527@verdi> References: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: Bill Fenner , zinin@psg.com, skh@nexthop.com, idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Yakov Rekhter wrote: > > The IDR WG would like to ask the IESG to advance > draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt to a Proposed Standard. > The implementation report is draft-huston-idr-as4bytes-survey-00.txt IMHO, as4bytes-12 is not ready to advance as written. Section 4 states a NEW BGP speaker "MAY" advertise the 4-byte-ASN capability, thus allowing non-4byte sessions between NEW BGP speakers. The rest of Section 4 states rules in terms of whether a speaker is NEW or OLD, rather than in terms of whether the session is 2-byte or 4-byte. IMHO the "MAY" should be a "MUST", or we need to restate many of the Section 4 rules in terms of session type. Section 6 leaves an unresolved potential-routing-loop situation without any recommended action. (I would guess dropping the NLRI is the most appropriate action, but I dislike guessing...) Clearly there are possible situations in which an AS_TRANS can fail to be resolved to its corresponding 4-byte ASN. IMHO, there should be a statement that a NEW BGP speaker whose ASN is >65535 which receives an unresolved AS_TRANS SHOULD discard that NLRI as a possible loop. The "SHALL be constructed" rule in Section 4.2.3 requires generating (4-byte) AS_PATHs which could easily be known to be inconsistent. IMHO, this spec should at least allow such situations to discard the NLRI (or leave the AS_TRANS wherever it is found in the 2-byte AS_PATH). (I am sorry to have taken so long to respond -- it was hard to find time to carefully read as4bytes-12 to make sure I understood things.) -- John Leslie _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 09:31:51 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeZBX-0002a1-Kx; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:31:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeZBV-0002Zq-4k for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23600 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net ([207.17.137.57]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeZU9-0006Ii-St for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:51:07 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id jAMEVc094895; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAMEVT584636; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511221431.jAMEVT584636@merlot.juniper.net> To: Bill Fenner , zinin@psg.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <34897.1132669888.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:31:29 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: skh@nexthop.com, idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-rfc3065bis-05.txt to Draft Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Alex and Bill, The IDR WG would like to ask IESG to advance draft-ietf-idr-rfc3065bis-05.txt to Draft Standard. The implementation report is draft-mcpherson-idr-rfc3065bis-impl-00.txt. Sue & Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 14:40:22 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee06-0003RU-As; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:40:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee03-0003Od-H4 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:40:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01243 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeIk-0007rN-PF for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:40 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAMJe9Bm017991; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAMJe5565470; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511221940.jAMJe5565470@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <55685.1132688404.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:05 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b66a1e94d7d92973ece9e5da449ff80 Cc: skh@nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] wg minutes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Attached are the WG minutes. Please review them for correctness. The deadline for comments is Dec 2, 2005. Sue & Yakov. ---------------------------------------------------------------- IDR IETF 64 Minutes taken by Larry Blunk and Dave Ward ------------- 0. Doc Status (Sue Hares, Yakov Rekhter) a. new draft to be reissued for 4-octet AS b. AS Confeds - implementation report submitted and spec will go as DS c. GR - post AD comments to PS d. RR - have IESG comments, revised draft sub. and back to editor e. 1863 went to historic f. ton of stuff on editor queue (all to be pub'ed as package vs individual docs) g. MPBGP, Cease notify at editor h. a lot no progress (see slides) due to lack of implementation report Enke Chen: agreed to produce implementation report for outbound route filtering Pekka Savola: what is status of BGP MIB v2 Sue Hares: need two implementations Yakov Rekhter: no implemenation report ... no progress ------------- 1. 4-octet AS extended commmunity - Yakov Rekhter (no slides) Extended community needs to be able to support 4 byte ASN ext comm Existing extended communities documnet removed text on 4 octet AS extended communities, as there are no implementations. New doc published for support (to not get in way of extended community doc) New doc produced via cut and paste protocol It is currently an individual submission Could be WG doc but, it will sit until any implementations Geoff Huston: It should be a WG draft Resulution: will send to mailing list and see if there is support to making it a WG document 1A. YR request from Tony Li to make AS hop count a WG document sent to list and only got few replies asked room ... no concensus ... not WG doc yet ------------- 2. ORF groups Sue Hares See slides for structure of UPDATE See slides for usage scenarios Geoff Huston: You have small parts of a boolean language ... why not go all the way? Sue: We were told during the last two meetings that we should shrink back the functionality Geoff Huston: Just add groups in groups and go for full boolean logic We have had a lot of arguments/discussion on this topic and request more input. Geoff Huston: Can't determine beforehand how complex someone may want to get Vach Kompella: What about other operands? E.g. "Not" Need to see what you want or we are going full bore ... Enke Chen: If goal is to simplify config .. .but, ORF originally was not to simplify config but, to improve performance. It is unclear how the config is simplified. Sue Hares: It is an effort to expand power of config Kireeti Kompella: The language is not boolean complete Rudiger: The language helps the pain w/ config Resolution: Will take back comments about missing functionality and update draft and bring to WG. ------------- 3. Context AF - David Ward See slides Yakov: Clarification if we need to have larger work in IETF David Ward: It is not dependent on that work and can work with existing technology. A document will be written that associates diffserv architecture to this work. Sue - this looks like old IDR QOS revisited. Dave - what's new is always old. Divergent from QOS bit. Semantic free and opaque. Service 42 is available but no meaning to semantics. Sue - are you mixing QOS pieces? Sue - timeliness issue. How do you ensure announcement is there in time. Chandra - could be useful to an application to group together prefix/service - don't need to go to IANA. Yakov - will you have different SAFI values for different AFI's? Dave - could negotiate to RD's are all the way down to RT's, but less flexible. Yakov - bigger picture does not belong in IDR, only BGP changes. Should the bigger picture come first ? Sue - is all you are asking for is a different AFI? Dave - Yes. Add path and aggregate. withdraw would help, but not truly necessary. Sue - AD's what is process for new AFI? Bill - it says nothing, would be sent to IESG which would send to back IDR. Yakov - would IESG like to see big picture? Alex Zinin - not ready to answer that question, would like to see discussion on list. Dave - propose MAVs BOF to discuss QOS things not related to BGP. Dave - this is indepedent. Alex - if working group discusses and believes it can be used for other technologies and there is strong support. Dave - I don't believe there are dependencies between outcome of MAVs BOF and this proposal. Alex - sounds like discussion and consensus is needed. Bruce Davie from Cisco - feels work does stand alone if you assume there is a diffserv architecture; can look at diffserv architecture for big picture context. Yakov - can someone write document about how this fits into diffserv ? Bruce will find someone to do that. ------------- 4. Enke Chen - Extended Open Parameters See slides Problem ... we are running out of capability space NAME? How does it work w/ ORF Enke: It should work just fine. I don't understand. Sue - were state machine changes included? John promised to do it. Needed to move forward. Enke - should this become a WG item? Don't need it today, but could be important tomorrow. Only 4 or so have read. Yakov: need more people to read before progressing. Work will not be done if no interest. ------------- 5. Chandra Appanna - Aggregate Withdraw See slides Ron Bonica - is there mechanism to ensure that you only withdraw routes that you announce? Chandra - routes are only for a particular session. Current draft is not transitive, but it could be so. Yakov - time-to-withdraw could be used without agg. withdraw. Chandra - yes. Pekka - if we are using Secure BGP or SOBGP will it require special processing? Chandra - no, but haven't thought about it. Sue - how does this relate to withdraw bags of routes, not sure. Will take offline. Dave - with agg. withdraw you match on attributes unlike bags. Could be ASPATH, Origin, etc. Chandra - designed to be general. Yakov - could mark and organize by extended communities instead. If you use communities, it will be easily transitive. Do we need the others? Dave - if it's too much flexilibility, that's okay. Dave - WG could determine that only communities are needed. Yakov - not clear how to propagate agg. withdraw if applied to things other than communities. Will take this offline. WG needs to decide if it wants to propagate agg. withdraw. ------------- 6. Gargi Nalawade - Tunneling applications see slides Yakov: Connector attribute carries a shortand for the tunnel, not just the endpoint Gargi: Yes Yakov: It is even more than shortand but, a list of preferences for a set of tunnels Gargi: Yes, there is nothing in the draft that prevents this from happening Yakov: Most work going on in L3VPN but, IDR will oversee ------------- 7. Gargi Nalawade - Multicast signaling using BGP see slides No comments _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 14:43:17 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee2v-0005dq-Lh; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:43:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee2t-0005dg-RB for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:43:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01510 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeLb-00080D-9m for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:02:36 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAMJh5Bm018045 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAMJh5566155 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <55970.1132688585.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I'd like to ask the WG to accept draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 14:53:48 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeD6-0001d5-Ks; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeD5-0001cw-1Y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02771 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeVk-0000Au-LQ for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:13:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-67-180-169-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.180.169.111]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051122195307013003h9eoe>; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:53:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:53:09 -0800 To: Yakov Rekhter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I believe this document is useful. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 14:59:30 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeIb-0004Th-Uy; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeIa-0004TZ-0y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03470 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeebH-0000Ww-OB for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:18:48 -0500 Received: from yxu1a20.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.20]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EeeK4-0003VH-Pr; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:01:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:49 -0500 To: Yakov Rekhter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On 22-Nov-2005, at 14:43, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I believe this document is useful. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 16:24:25 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefcn-0000An-QH; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:24:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefci-00009V-Dz for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:24:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14189 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.34.187.4] (helo=ronin.4ever.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EefvC-0005TE-HA for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:31 -0500 Received: from elmi by ronin.4ever.de with local (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1EefdM-000FOd-Sa for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:25:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:25:00 +0100 From: "Elmar K. Bins" To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Message-ID: <20051122212500.GG38487@ronin.4ever.de> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Organization: unorganized since 1789 X-Whisky: Knockando, extra old reserve User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org yakov@juniper.net (Yakov Rekhter) wrote: > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > I believe this document is necessary. Elmar. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 16:44:15 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefvz-00018t-Iw; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:44:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefvy-00018o-De for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:44:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16287 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EegEg-0006Zu-Rk for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:03:36 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMLi1wM017491; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:44:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id jAMLhvWP017488; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:44:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Tauber X-X-Sender: ttauber@m106.maoz.com To: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051119080526.02fa1b18@kahuna.telstra.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Danny McPherson wrote: > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: > >> I'm in favour of adopting the hop count draft > > > I believe it's generally useful and a worthwhile WG item as well. > > -danny Yes, let's adopt. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 18:34:05 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeheH-0003AW-EC; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:34:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeheF-00039k-CJ for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:34:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28007 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eehwy-00040g-RQ for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:26 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Nov 2005 00:33:52 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAMNXlAT017076; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:47 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.25.90.226]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4383AAD9.3070906@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:33:45 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Module: SMTP[2005.11.21 (2005.06.03)] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 23:33:46.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EE90E10:01C5EFBD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Yakov Rekhter X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org IMHO it should be a WG doc. Cheers, R. > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. > > The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 > > Yakov. > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 18:46:01 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eehpp-0007rZ-9f; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eehpn-0007rK-RY for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:45:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29427 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eei8X-0004gh-GN for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:05:22 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2005 15:45:49 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,363,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="233413450:sNHT23529206" Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAMNjl6a015625; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:45:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4383ADAB.1020300@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:45:47 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org The draft completes a missing piece for using the 4byte AS number. So it should be accepted as an IDR WG document. -- Enke Yakov Rekhter wrote: >Folks, > >I'd like to ask the WG to accept >draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > >Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this >case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. > >The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 > >Yakov. > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 23 07:38:18 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EettC-00016f-RQ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:38:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EettB-00015D-9m for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:38:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23297 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeuC1-00068Z-Ce for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:57:46 -0500 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:38:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:38:13 +0100 Message-ID: <8AA97249241F7148BE6D3D8B93D83F5A0853D68F@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Thread-Index: AcXvnTMNWNw3ufXMRc6KHCVZy1kgIwAjXw8g From: "JACQUENET Christian RD-TCH-REN" To: "Yakov Rekhter" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 12:38:14.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5601BF0:01C5F02A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I'm in favor of adopting this document by the WG. Cheers, Christian.=20 -----Message d'origine----- De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de = Yakov Rekhter Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 novembre 2005 20:43 =C0 : idr@ietf.org Objet : [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Folks, I'd like to ask the WG to accept draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this = case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 23 07:58:56 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeuDA-0003NN-J2; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeuD9-0003Mb-4q for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25354 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com ([212.234.67.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeuVz-0007TA-Im for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:18:25 -0500 Received: from prive-Rline2.com ([192.168.1.22] [192.168.1.22]) by Rline2.francetelecom.com with ESMTP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:39 +0100 Received: from smtp2.smtpft.francetelecom.fr ([193.249.133.11] [193.249.133.11]) by Rline2.francetelecom.com with ESMTP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:39 +0100 Received: from FTBIEZ3ZCWRQWV ([10.158.49.235]) by smtp2.smtpft.francetelecom.fr (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id IQES1Q01.P6U; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +0100 From: "DUBOIS Nicolas ROSI/DAS/ARI" To: JACQUENET Christia RD-TCH , "'Yakov Rekhter'" , Subject: RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcXvnTMNWNw3ufXMRc6KHCVZy1kgIwAjXw8gAACsFpA= In-Reply-To: <8AA97249241F7148BE6D3D8B93D83F5A0853D68F@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org I think the document can be adopted. I think it's useful ;-) =0D Nicolas Dubois Tel : 0144442817=0D =0D > -----Message d'origine----- > De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la=0D > part de JACQUENET Christia RD-TCH > Envoy=E9 : mercredi 23 novembre 2005 13:38 > =C0 : Yakov Rekhter; idr@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR=0D > WG document >=0D > Folks, >=0D > I'm in favor of adopting this document by the WG. >=0D > Cheers, >=0D > Christian.=0D >=0D > -----Message d'origine----- > De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la=0D > part de Yakov Rekhter Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 novembre 2005 20:43 =C0=0D > : idr@ietf.org Objet : [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities=0D > as an IDR WG document >=0D > Folks, >=0D > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. >=0D > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of=0D > interest in this case, so if you believe this document is=0D > useful -- please speak up. >=0D > The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 >=0D > Yakov. >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=0D > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr *********************************** Ce message et toutes les pieces jointes (ci-apres le "message") sont= confidentiels et etablis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. 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If you are not receiver of this message, please cancel it immediately and= inform the sender. *********************************** _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 23 16:43:17 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ef2Oa-0002sm-WC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:43:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ef2OZ-0002rj-Q3 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:43:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03632 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cat.tcb.net ([64.78.150.134] helo=dog.tcb.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ef2hR-0006Aq-Ul for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:02:47 -0500 Received: from [205.168.100.52] (dhcp3.tcb.net [205.168.100.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E92D64353 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:42:47 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:43:01 -0700 To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I'm in favor of making it a WG item. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 14:27:25 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXbx-0000Vd-Kf; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:27:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXbv-0000VV-No for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00269 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhXwF-0007Pj-SY for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:48:25 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 11:27:13 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAUJRA6a001843; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <438DFD0E.6@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:27:10 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Subject: [Idr] Implementation survey for draft-ietf-idr-avoid-transition-03.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, folks: I am working on an implementation report for draft-ietf-idr-avoid-transition-03.txt. It will be greatly appreciated if folks can fill out the attached survey form, and send to me by December 14, 2005. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Implementation Forms Organization: Person filling out this form: Implementation (Software Version): Does the implementation include all parts of the specification? Are there parts of the specification that are unclear for implementation? List other implementations that have been tested for interoperability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Enke _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 14:47:10 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXv4-0003Nf-Ke; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXv2-0003LY-FC for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03379 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [63.240.77.84] (helo=sccrmhc14.comcast.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYFG-0008QL-Rn for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:08:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (fortknox.portolanetworks.com[66.121.157.194]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113019461401400ggj12e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:46:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: idr@ietf.org From: Tony Li Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:44:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on having this draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, please voice it now to the list. Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their affiliations. If any of these need correction, please unicast to me. Authors: Myself (SP) Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) Joe Abley (SP) For: Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) Paul Jakma (SP?) Elmar Bins (SP?) Robert Raszuk (Vendor) Enke Chen (Vendor) Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) Geoff Huston (SP) Danny McPherson (Vendor) Against: Pekka Savola (Vendor) Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 15:14:37 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYEq-0006hR-7b; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:07:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYEm-0006g3-0N for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:07:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05934 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYQ4-0000R3-Rv for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:14 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 11:58:02 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,196,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="16259640:sNHT23278212" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAUJvNeR011947; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from [64.100.131.122] ([64.100.131.122]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dana Blair Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 To: Tony Li X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 19:57:59.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D29B780:01C5F5E8] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Tony Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. > I support the draft. It should be a working group item. thanks, Dana > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 15:19:53 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYQj-0004Us-RV; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYQh-0004Pm-FY for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07901 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYl1-0001YN-HH for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:40:52 -0500 Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD28164DEF; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:15:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 590JkduPX0314Mo2; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:15:24 GMT Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 588JkduPw0314Mo2; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:15:22 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:15:22 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID935JkduPw8967Xo2 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:15:03 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:15:01 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F02024DBF1B@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Thread-Index: AcX16i9k+tUprG7IRf6KhZQ8UxY5yQAAIZZQ From: "Susan Hares" To: "Dana Blair" , "Tony Li" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 20:15:03.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF63D370:01C5F5EA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Dana: Thanks for the note. Sue -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dana Blair Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:58 PM To: Tony Li Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Tony Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on=20 > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion,=20 > please voice > it now to the list. > I support the draft. It should be a working group item. thanks, Dana > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their=20 > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 15:29:08 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYZg-0007jD-I7; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYZe-0007fe-4o for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tower.partan.com ([198.6.255.248]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYty-0001rx-RW for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:50:08 -0500 Received: from tower.partan.com (localhost.partan.com [127.0.0.1]) by tower.partan.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKSekJ092210; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from asp@tower.partan.com) Received: (from asp@localhost) by tower.partan.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jAUKSeDd092207; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from asp) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 From: Andrew Partan To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Message-ID: <20051130202840.GA92006@partan.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:44:56AM -0800, Tony Li wrote: > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this draft as a WG item. I think it should be a WG item as well. A note about AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT; if you receive a route with both AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT attached, and you understand AS_HOPCOUNT, then you should propogate the route with both AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT attached. If the next AS does not understand AS_HOPCOUNT, then the NO_EXPORT will stop the route there. --asp _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 15:52:49 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYwb-0002jz-CU; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYwZ-0002jf-Fj for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12292 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.32.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhZGp-0002ws-QQ for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:49 -0500 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id MAA18861; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-SWBH-04.sw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-AV-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id jAUKqOC11408; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-SW-42.sw.nos.boeing.com ([192.79.11.43]) by XCH-SWBH-04.sw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:51:42 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <626FC7C6A97381468FB872072AB5DDC83697FD@XCH-SW-42.sw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Thread-Index: AcX16YEoJBY3U6dFTLmPL6+jjYphwwABlfQQ From: "Drake, John E" To: "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 20:51:42.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE76BE80:01C5F5EF] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Yes > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:45 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. >=20 > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. >=20 > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) >=20 > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) >=20 > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) >=20 >=20 > Tony >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 16:43:41 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhZjp-0001ej-Qj; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:43:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhZjo-0001eS-5P for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02834 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eha47-0001YS-7c for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:04:42 -0500 Received: from gateout01.mbox.net (gateout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.21]) by gateout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C727112E431; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 640JkdVQ30118Mo1; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:55 GMT Received: from gateout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 638JkdVQ20393Mo1; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:53 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:53 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID893JkdVQ20627Xo1 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:42:49 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F02024DC03E@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Thread-Index: AcX16YEoJBY3U6dFTLmPL6+jjYphwwABlfQQAAHIhJA= From: "Susan Hares" To: "Drake, John E" , "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 21:42:49.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[0237B660:01C5F5F7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org John: Thanks for the input on the AS Hopcount draft. Sue -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Drake, John E Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:52 PM To: Tony Li; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Yes > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:45 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. >=20 > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. >=20 > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) >=20 > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) >=20 > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) >=20 >=20 > Tony >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From idr-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 18:18:19 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhbDP-0000Hz-NC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:18:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhbBy-0008T7-4K for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA14430 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu ([171.67.16.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhbLo-0001KK-9N for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:27:00 -0500 Received: from networking.Stanford.EDU (networking.Stanford.EDU [171.64.20.23]) by smtp1.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAUN5lYj019114 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (rgr@localhost) by networking.Stanford.EDU (8.11.7/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAUN5l314944 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: networking.Stanford.EDU: rgr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lea Roberts X-X-Sender: rgr@networking.Stanford.EDU To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org another view from the edge... this looks like it could be useful and so I think it should be a WG draft. On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Tony Li wrote: > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08998 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhbDP-0000Hz-Ix; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:18:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhbBy-0008T7-4K for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA14430 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu ([171.67.16.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhbLo-0001KK-9N for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:27:00 -0500 Received: from networking.Stanford.EDU (networking.Stanford.EDU [171.64.20.23]) by smtp1.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAUN5lYj019114 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (rgr@localhost) by networking.Stanford.EDU (8.11.7/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAUN5l314944 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: networking.Stanford.EDU: rgr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lea Roberts X-X-Sender: rgr@networking.Stanford.EDU To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org another view from the edge... this looks like it could be useful and so I think it should be a WG draft. On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Tony Li wrote: > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08318 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhZjp-0001ej-NI; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:43:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhZjo-0001eS-5P for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02834 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eha47-0001YS-7c for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:04:42 -0500 Received: from gateout01.mbox.net (gateout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.21]) by gateout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C727112E431; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 640JkdVQ30118Mo1; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:55 GMT Received: from gateout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 638JkdVQ20393Mo1; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:53 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:42:53 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID893JkdVQ20627Xo1 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by GW1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:42:49 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F02024DC03E@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Thread-Index: AcX16YEoJBY3U6dFTLmPL6+jjYphwwABlfQQAAHIhJA= From: "Susan Hares" To: "Drake, John E" , "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 21:42:49.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[0237B660:01C5F5F7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id QAA08318 John: Thanks for the input on the AS Hopcount draft. Sue -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Drake, John E Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:52 PM To: Tony Li; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Yes > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:45 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft > > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. > > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08212 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYwb-0002jz-9E; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYwZ-0002jf-Fj for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12292 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.32.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhZGp-0002ws-QQ for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:49 -0500 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id MAA18861; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-SWBH-04.sw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-AV-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id jAUKqOC11408; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-SW-42.sw.nos.boeing.com ([192.79.11.43]) by XCH-SWBH-04.sw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:51:42 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <626FC7C6A97381468FB872072AB5DDC83697FD@XCH-SW-42.sw.nos.boeing.com> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Thread-Index: AcX16YEoJBY3U6dFTLmPL6+jjYphwwABlfQQ From: "Drake, John E" To: "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 20:51:42.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE76BE80:01C5F5EF] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id QAA08212 Yes > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:45 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft > > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. > > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07717 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYZg-0007jD-FS; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYZe-0007fe-4o for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tower.partan.com ([198.6.255.248]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYty-0001rx-RW for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:50:08 -0500 Received: from tower.partan.com (localhost.partan.com [127.0.0.1]) by tower.partan.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKSekJ092210; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from asp@tower.partan.com) Received: (from asp@localhost) by tower.partan.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jAUKSeDd092207; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from asp) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0500 From: Andrew Partan To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Message-ID: <20051130202840.GA92006@partan.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:44:56AM -0800, Tony Li wrote: > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this draft as a WG item. I think it should be a WG item as well. A note about AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT; if you receive a route with both AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT attached, and you understand AS_HOPCOUNT, then you should propogate the route with both AS_HOPCOUNT and NO_EXPORT attached. 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Sue -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dana Blair Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:58 PM To: Tony Li Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Tony Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. > I support the draft. It should be a working group item. thanks, Dana > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07609 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYEq-0006hR-3C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:07:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhYEm-0006g3-0N for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:07:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05934 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYQ4-0000R3-Rv for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:14 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 11:58:02 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,196,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="16259640:sNHT23278212" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAUJvNeR011947; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from [64.100.131.122] ([64.100.131.122]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dana Blair Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:57:59 -0500 To: Tony Li X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 19:57:59.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D29B780:01C5F5E8] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Tony Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on > having this > draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, > please voice > it now to the list. > I support the draft. It should be a working group item. thanks, Dana > Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their > affiliations. If > any of these need correction, please unicast to me. > > Authors: > Myself (SP) > Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) > Joe Abley (SP) > > For: > Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) > Paul Jakma (SP?) > Elmar Bins (SP?) > Robert Raszuk (Vendor) > Enke Chen (Vendor) > Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) > Geoff Huston (SP) > Danny McPherson (Vendor) > > Against: > Pekka Savola (Vendor) > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07346 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXv4-0003Nf-H4; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXv2-0003LY-FC for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03379 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [63.240.77.84] (helo=sccrmhc14.comcast.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhYFG-0008QL-Rn for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:08:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (fortknox.portolanetworks.com[66.121.157.194]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113019461401400ggj12e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:46:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: idr@ietf.org From: Tony Li Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:44:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, On the AS hopcount draft, we're in the middle of polling interest on having this draft as a WG item. This expires on Monday. If you have an opinion, please voice it now to the list. Here's my summary of where we are, with both people and their affiliations. If any of these need correction, please unicast to me. Authors: Myself (SP) Rex Fernando (Vendor emeritus) Joe Abley (SP) For: Curtis Villamizar (Vendor?) Paul Jakma (SP?) Elmar Bins (SP?) Robert Raszuk (Vendor) Enke Chen (Vendor) Kanchei Loa (SP/End user) Geoff Huston (SP) Danny McPherson (Vendor) Against: Pekka Savola (Vendor) Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07228 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXbx-0000Vd-HY; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:27:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXbv-0000VV-No for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00269 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhXwF-0007Pj-SY for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:48:25 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2005 11:27:13 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAUJRA6a001843; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <438DFD0E.6@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:27:10 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Susan Hares , Yakov Rekhter Subject: [Idr] Implementation survey for draft-ietf-idr-avoid-transition-03.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, folks: I am working on an implementation report for draft-ietf-idr-avoid-transition-03.txt. 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------------5BA0F7E150D04B4-- Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17562 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ef2Oa-0002sm-TA; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:43:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ef2OZ-0002rj-Q3 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:43:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03632 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cat.tcb.net ([64.78.150.134] helo=dog.tcb.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ef2hR-0006Aq-Ul for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:02:47 -0500 Received: from [205.168.100.52] (dhcp3.tcb.net [205.168.100.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E92D64353 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:42:47 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:43:01 -0700 To: idr@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I'm in favor of making it a WG item. -danny _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13436 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeuDA-0003NN-Fs; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeuD9-0003Mb-4q for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25354 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com ([212.234.67.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeuVz-0007TA-Im for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:18:25 -0500 Received: from prive-Rline2.com ([192.168.1.22] [192.168.1.22]) by Rline2.francetelecom.com with ESMTP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:39 +0100 Received: from smtp2.smtpft.francetelecom.fr ([193.249.133.11] [193.249.133.11]) by Rline2.francetelecom.com with ESMTP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:39 +0100 Received: from FTBIEZ3ZCWRQWV ([10.158.49.235]) by smtp2.smtpft.francetelecom.fr (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id IQES1Q01.P6U; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +0100 From: "DUBOIS Nicolas ROSI/DAS/ARI" To: JACQUENET Christia RD-TCH , "'Yakov Rekhter'" , Subject: RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcXvnTMNWNw3ufXMRc6KHCVZy1kgIwAjXw8gAACsFpA= In-Reply-To: <8AA97249241F7148BE6D3D8B93D83F5A0853D68F@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id IAA13436 I think the document can be adopted. I think it's useful ;-) Nicolas Dubois Tel : 0144442817 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la > part de JACQUENET Christia RD-TCH > Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2005 13:38 > À : Yakov Rekhter; idr@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR > WG document > > Folks, > > I'm in favor of adopting this document by the WG. > > Cheers, > > Christian. > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la > part de Yakov Rekhter Envoyé : mardi 22 novembre 2005 20:43 À > : idr@ietf.org Objet : [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities > as an IDR WG document > > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of > interest in this case, so if you believe this document is > useful -- please speak up. > > The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 > > Yakov. > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr *********************************** Ce message et toutes les pieces jointes (ci-apres le "message") sont confidentiels et etablis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. 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If you are not receiver of this message, please cancel it immediately and inform the sender. *********************************** _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13287 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EettC-00016f-Ow; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:38:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EettB-00015D-9m for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:38:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23297 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeuC1-00068Z-Ce for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:57:46 -0500 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:38:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:38:13 +0100 Message-ID: <8AA97249241F7148BE6D3D8B93D83F5A0853D68F@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Thread-Index: AcXvnTMNWNw3ufXMRc6KHCVZy1kgIwAjXw8g From: "JACQUENET Christian RD-TCH-REN" To: "Yakov Rekhter" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 12:38:14.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5601BF0:01C5F02A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id HAA13287 Folks, I'm in favor of adopting this document by the WG. Cheers, Christian. -----Message d'origine----- De : idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Yakov Rekhter Envoyé : mardi 22 novembre 2005 20:43 À : idr@ietf.org Objet : [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Folks, I'd like to ask the WG to accept draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06816 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eehpp-0007rZ-64; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eehpn-0007rK-RY for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:45:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29427 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eei8X-0004gh-GN for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:05:22 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2005 15:45:49 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,363,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="233413450:sNHT23529206" Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAMNjl6a015625; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:45:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4383ADAB.1020300@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:45:47 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org The draft completes a missing piece for using the 4byte AS number. So it should be accepted as an IDR WG document. -- Enke Yakov Rekhter wrote: >Folks, > >I'd like to ask the WG to accept >draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > >Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this >case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. > >The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 > >Yakov. > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06735 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeheH-0003AW-Bg; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:34:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeheF-00039k-CJ for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:34:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28007 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eehwy-00040g-RQ for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:26 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Nov 2005 00:33:52 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAMNXlAT017076; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:47 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.25.90.226]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:33:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4383AAD9.3070906@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:33:45 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Module: SMTP[2005.11.21 (2005.06.03)] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 23:33:46.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EE90E10:01C5EFBD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Yakov Rekhter X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org IMHO it should be a WG doc. Cheers, R. > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. > > The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 > > Yakov. > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05990 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefvz-00018t-Fc; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:44:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefvy-00018o-De for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:44:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16287 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EegEg-0006Zu-Rk for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:03:36 -0500 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMLi1wM017491; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:44:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.4/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id jAMLhvWP017488; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:44:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Tauber X-X-Sender: ttauber@m106.maoz.com To: Danny McPherson Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051119080526.02fa1b18@kahuna.telstra.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Danny McPherson wrote: > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: > >> I'm in favour of adopting the hop count draft > > > I believe it's generally useful and a worthwhile WG item as well. > > -danny Yes, let's adopt. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05859 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefcn-0000An-NH; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:24:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eefci-00009V-Dz for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:24:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14189 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.34.187.4] (helo=ronin.4ever.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EefvC-0005TE-HA for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:43:31 -0500 Received: from elmi by ronin.4ever.de with local (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1EefdM-000FOd-Sa for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:25:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:25:00 +0100 From: "Elmar K. Bins" To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Message-ID: <20051122212500.GG38487@ronin.4ever.de> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Organization: unorganized since 1789 X-Whisky: Knockando, extra old reserve User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org yakov@juniper.net (Yakov Rekhter) wrote: > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > I believe this document is necessary. Elmar. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05108 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeIb-0004Th-Sf; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeIa-0004TZ-0y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03470 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeebH-0000Ww-OB for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:18:48 -0500 Received: from yxu1a20.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.20]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EeeK4-0003VH-Pr; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:01:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:49 -0500 To: Yakov Rekhter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On 22-Nov-2005, at 14:43, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I believe this document is useful. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05079 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeD6-0001d5-GV; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeeD5-0001cw-1Y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02771 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeVk-0000Au-LQ for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:13:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-67-180-169-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.180.169.111]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051122195307013003h9eoe>; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:53:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> References: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:53:09 -0800 To: Yakov Rekhter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to ask the WG to accept > draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. > > Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in > this > case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. I believe this document is useful. Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04983 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee2v-0005dq-HO; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:43:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee2t-0005dg-RB for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:43:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01510 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeLb-00080D-9m for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:02:36 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAMJh5Bm018045 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAMJh5566155 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511221943.jAMJh5566155@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <55970.1132688585.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:05 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [Idr] 4 octet AS extended communities as an IDR WG document X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I'd like to ask the WG to accept draft-rekhter-as4octet-ext-community-00.txt as an IDR WG document. Please note that silence will be interpreted as lack of interest in this case, so if you believe this document is useful -- please speak up. The deadline for response is Dec 5, 2005 Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04962 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee06-0003RU-8I; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:40:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eee03-0003Od-H4 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:40:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01243 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeeIk-0007rN-PF for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:40 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAMJe9Bm017991; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAMJe5565470; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511221940.jAMJe5565470@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <55685.1132688404.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:05 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b66a1e94d7d92973ece9e5da449ff80 Cc: skh@nexthop.com Subject: [Idr] wg minutes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Attached are the WG minutes. Please review them for correctness. The deadline for comments is Dec 2, 2005. Sue & Yakov. ---------------------------------------------------------------- IDR IETF 64 Minutes taken by Larry Blunk and Dave Ward ------------- 0. Doc Status (Sue Hares, Yakov Rekhter) a. new draft to be reissued for 4-octet AS b. AS Confeds - implementation report submitted and spec will go as DS c. GR - post AD comments to PS d. RR - have IESG comments, revised draft sub. and back to editor e. 1863 went to historic f. ton of stuff on editor queue (all to be pub'ed as package vs individual docs) g. MPBGP, Cease notify at editor h. a lot no progress (see slides) due to lack of implementation report Enke Chen: agreed to produce implementation report for outbound route filtering Pekka Savola: what is status of BGP MIB v2 Sue Hares: need two implementations Yakov Rekhter: no implemenation report ... no progress ------------- 1. 4-octet AS extended commmunity - Yakov Rekhter (no slides) Extended community needs to be able to support 4 byte ASN ext comm Existing extended communities documnet removed text on 4 octet AS extended communities, as there are no implementations. New doc published for support (to not get in way of extended community doc) New doc produced via cut and paste protocol It is currently an individual submission Could be WG doc but, it will sit until any implementations Geoff Huston: It should be a WG draft Resulution: will send to mailing list and see if there is support to making it a WG document 1A. YR request from Tony Li to make AS hop count a WG document sent to list and only got few replies asked room ... no concensus ... not WG doc yet ------------- 2. ORF groups Sue Hares See slides for structure of UPDATE See slides for usage scenarios Geoff Huston: You have small parts of a boolean language ... why not go all the way? Sue: We were told during the last two meetings that we should shrink back the functionality Geoff Huston: Just add groups in groups and go for full boolean logic We have had a lot of arguments/discussion on this topic and request more input. Geoff Huston: Can't determine beforehand how complex someone may want to get Vach Kompella: What about other operands? E.g. "Not" Need to see what you want or we are going full bore ... Enke Chen: If goal is to simplify config .. .but, ORF originally was not to simplify config but, to improve performance. It is unclear how the config is simplified. Sue Hares: It is an effort to expand power of config Kireeti Kompella: The language is not boolean complete Rudiger: The language helps the pain w/ config Resolution: Will take back comments about missing functionality and update draft and bring to WG. ------------- 3. Context AF - David Ward See slides Yakov: Clarification if we need to have larger work in IETF David Ward: It is not dependent on that work and can work with existing technology. A document will be written that associates diffserv architecture to this work. Sue - this looks like old IDR QOS revisited. Dave - what's new is always old. Divergent from QOS bit. Semantic free and opaque. Service 42 is available but no meaning to semantics. Sue - are you mixing QOS pieces? Sue - timeliness issue. How do you ensure announcement is there in time. Chandra - could be useful to an application to group together prefix/service - don't need to go to IANA. Yakov - will you have different SAFI values for different AFI's? Dave - could negotiate to RD's are all the way down to RT's, but less flexible. Yakov - bigger picture does not belong in IDR, only BGP changes. Should the bigger picture come first ? Sue - is all you are asking for is a different AFI? Dave - Yes. Add path and aggregate. withdraw would help, but not truly necessary. Sue - AD's what is process for new AFI? Bill - it says nothing, would be sent to IESG which would send to back IDR. Yakov - would IESG like to see big picture? Alex Zinin - not ready to answer that question, would like to see discussion on list. Dave - propose MAVs BOF to discuss QOS things not related to BGP. Dave - this is indepedent. Alex - if working group discusses and believes it can be used for other technologies and there is strong support. Dave - I don't believe there are dependencies between outcome of MAVs BOF and this proposal. Alex - sounds like discussion and consensus is needed. Bruce Davie from Cisco - feels work does stand alone if you assume there is a diffserv architecture; can look at diffserv architecture for big picture context. Yakov - can someone write document about how this fits into diffserv ? Bruce will find someone to do that. ------------- 4. Enke Chen - Extended Open Parameters See slides Problem ... we are running out of capability space NAME? How does it work w/ ORF Enke: It should work just fine. I don't understand. Sue - were state machine changes included? John promised to do it. Needed to move forward. Enke - should this become a WG item? Don't need it today, but could be important tomorrow. Only 4 or so have read. Yakov: need more people to read before progressing. Work will not be done if no interest. ------------- 5. Chandra Appanna - Aggregate Withdraw See slides Ron Bonica - is there mechanism to ensure that you only withdraw routes that you announce? Chandra - routes are only for a particular session. Current draft is not transitive, but it could be so. Yakov - time-to-withdraw could be used without agg. withdraw. Chandra - yes. Pekka - if we are using Secure BGP or SOBGP will it require special processing? Chandra - no, but haven't thought about it. Sue - how does this relate to withdraw bags of routes, not sure. Will take offline. Dave - with agg. withdraw you match on attributes unlike bags. Could be ASPATH, Origin, etc. Chandra - designed to be general. Yakov - could mark and organize by extended communities instead. If you use communities, it will be easily transitive. Do we need the others? Dave - if it's too much flexilibility, that's okay. Dave - WG could determine that only communities are needed. Yakov - not clear how to propagate agg. withdraw if applied to things other than communities. Will take this offline. WG needs to decide if it wants to propagate agg. withdraw. ------------- 6. Gargi Nalawade - Tunneling applications see slides Yakov: Connector attribute carries a shortand for the tunnel, not just the endpoint Gargi: Yes Yakov: It is even more than shortand but, a list of preferences for a set of tunnels Gargi: Yes, there is nothing in the draft that prevents this from happening Yakov: Most work going on in L3VPN but, IDR will oversee ------------- 7. 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------------CEF04F66BF46CC4-- Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22922 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeHQF-0007OF-4I; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EeHQD-0007O7-SN for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28139 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.jlc.net ([199.201.159.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EeHii-0005nI-Ik for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:52:57 -0500 Received: by mailhost.jlc.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 2BEB6E0497; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:35 -0500 From: John Leslie To: Yakov Rekhter Subject: Re: [Idr] 4 bytes AS to PS Message-ID: <20051121193335.GA20527@verdi> References: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: Bill Fenner , zinin@psg.com, skh@nexthop.com, idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Yakov Rekhter wrote: > > The IDR WG would like to ask the IESG to advance > draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt to a Proposed Standard. > The implementation report is draft-huston-idr-as4bytes-survey-00.txt IMHO, as4bytes-12 is not ready to advance as written. Section 4 states a NEW BGP speaker "MAY" advertise the 4-byte-ASN capability, thus allowing non-4byte sessions between NEW BGP speakers. The rest of Section 4 states rules in terms of whether a speaker is NEW or OLD, rather than in terms of whether the session is 2-byte or 4-byte. IMHO the "MAY" should be a "MUST", or we need to restate many of the Section 4 rules in terms of session type. Section 6 leaves an unresolved potential-routing-loop situation without any recommended action. (I would guess dropping the NLRI is the most appropriate action, but I dislike guessing...) Clearly there are possible situations in which an AS_TRANS can fail to be resolved to its corresponding 4-byte ASN. IMHO, there should be a statement that a NEW BGP speaker whose ASN is >65535 which receives an unresolved AS_TRANS SHOULD discard that NLRI as a possible loop. The "SHALL be constructed" rule in Section 4.2.3 requires generating (4-byte) AS_PATHs which could easily be known to be inconsistent. IMHO, this spec should at least allow such situations to discard the NLRI (or leave the AS_TRANS wherever it is found in the 2-byte AS_PATH). (I am sorry to have taken so long to respond -- it was hard to find time to carefully read as4bytes-12 to make sure I understood things.) -- John Leslie _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18314 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdEkR-0004ZI-BO; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:30:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdEkP-0004Ww-BP for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:30:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14630 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from division.aa.arbor.net ([204.181.64.2] helo=gott.aa.arbor.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EdF2H-0005sV-Mq for idr@ietf.org; 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charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org I'm in favour of adopting the hop count draft Geoff _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA11946 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ed22s-00063a-Ny; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:56:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ed22r-00063S-Aw for idr@megatron.ietf.org; 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charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXsCDtLNI3bl4i/RAeRkzqQL4uSUAAE68BQ From: "Loa, Kanchei" To: "Pekka Savola" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 08:56:13.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED6C9490:01C5EC1D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id DAA11946 >> These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US >> defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing >> policy in such a tightly regulated environment. > > I'd expect tightly regulated environments have a much higher security > requirements, and I doubt dependence on interpretation of a new > attribute is sufficient. If I were participating in such an > environment, I'd be setting up very tight prefix-list and/or AS-path > filters at the edges. You are right that it is not sufficient for routing security, which is a completely different beast in such environment. This draft simply provide extra BGP tool to control the fine-grained prefix propagation and reduce the size of global routing table without the need to configure prefix filtering at every possible choke points and re-configure them again whenever there is a new prefix added. Kanchei --------------------------------------------- Kanchei Loa The Boeing Company _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10401 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EczcJ-0006Y4-KP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EczcI-0006Xu-3X for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA24881 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eczu3-0002q6-Tk for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:39:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAI6Kdu12911; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:20:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:20:39 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: "Loa, Kanchei" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Loa, Kanchei wrote: > These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US > defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing > policy in such a tightly regulated environment. I'd expect tightly regulated environments have a much higher security requirements, and I doubt dependence on interpretation of a new attribute is sufficient. If I were participating in such an environment, I'd be setting up very tight prefix-list and/or AS-path filters at the edges. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07636 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcuQs-00082g-6Y; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcuQp-0007zK-RD for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08855 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcuiZ-0001dD-Nr for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:07:08 -0500 Received: from octopus.hopcount.ca ([199.212.90.5]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcuSp-00054Z-0p; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:50:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:11 -0500 To: Pekka Savola X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On 17-Nov-2005, at 13:33, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: > >> The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to >> specify formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities >> offered by some ASes today). > > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? > Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional > or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does > not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to > (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, > and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount > > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very > useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. I agree it is no magic bullet. The problem at the moment for people who wish to experiment with short-distance propagation of routes is that there are very few tools in the toolbox; there's NO_EXPORT and there's ad-hoc community attribute support from various providers, which is expensive to implement if you have a lot of external sessions. The AS_HOPCOUNT attribute is a differently-shaped screwdriver, but nobody should expect it to fit every single kind of screw. The toolbox is currently so empty that any additional tools would be welcome, however. > But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something > much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll > try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of > inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. We > don't care where that traffic comes from". > > For that the feature could be useful. Right. I think this mechanism is of limited interest to ASes who connect near the topological centre of the Internet (as measured, loosely- speaking, according to where traffic is sunk or sourced), since the set of routes with an AS_PATH length of 1 can frequently represent most traffic sinks or sources, and the rest doesn't always represent enough to bother optimising. However, outside the big markets of North America and Western Europe (and parts of Africa connected by tier-1 satellite operators, interestingly), the geo-economic difference between routes with an AS_PATH length of (say) 2 and 5 can be very useful to distinguish between. One additional application for this attribute that I don't think I've seen in this thread is controlling the propagation of covering prefixes for anycast services. This application is very similar to the problem of inter-domain traffic engineering, but it's slightly different and hence arguably worth mentioning. (See the discussion of "local nodes" in draft-ietf-grow-anycast-02, for example. I'm happy to expand on this here if people think that would be useful.) Joe _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06299 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcrYt-000438-Ix; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcrYr-00041f-FT for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27771 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from astrolabe.info.ucl.ac.be ([130.104.229.109] helo=info.ucl.ac.be) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcrqY-0003lt-Ol for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:03:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bismarck [130.104.229.58]) by info.ucl.ac.be (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAHLibik016190; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:44:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <437CF9C1.6080509@info.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:44:33 +0100 From: Olivier Bonaventure User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raszuk@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.91.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-INGI-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INGI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma , Pekka Savola X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Robert, > >> While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very >> useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I >> don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the >> intended) policy. > > Your doubts that the idea may not address few possible interconnect > topologies and may not be the universal solution for limiting update > propagation for generations to come is IMHO not a sufficient argument > not to progress with the draft and make it a WG doc to address all other > much more controled AS meshes. > > Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to > limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his > domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal > ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from > the core AS his problem is easily solved. In this case, since the same operator owns a number of ASes, it looks easier to use communities or extended communities to achieve the same goal. This can be made more explicit in the BGP configurations and does not suffer from problems when the interconnection between the ASes change. Olivier _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05727 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcqGv-0002Tz-TO; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:22:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcqGu-0002Tj-FV for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:22:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA17671 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcqYW-0007R6-KM for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:40:33 -0500 Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19lswL4kW9qg/BKlYviBfki/TIyJvkaqBM=]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ecq0g-0007Av-By for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:30 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19uOXxgbDE2JhvIOmAucynclGpHGcjnJfU@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHK4mK5012634; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:04:51 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:04:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Pekka Savola wrote: > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Is it intended for such specific policy though? It seems intended more as a "green" bgp-eco-friendly feature, limiting the scope of 'noisy' routes generally, than as a way to implement very specific policy. > Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional > or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does > not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to > (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount > > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very useful tool > for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. ACK. > But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something > much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll > try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of > inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. > We don't care where that traffic comes from". Yep. Or just restricting more specifics so that only 1/x (where X is I guess not a terribly large integer, given the average path length) of the internet has to burdened, rather than all of it. > For that the feature could be useful. I reckon so too. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Compliment, n.: When you say something to another which everyone knows isn't true. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05210 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcpHk-00057m-QA; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcpHj-00057e-5X for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15291 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.64.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcpZN-0005oW-AL for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:37:20 -0500 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2.MG.10092003/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA17669; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-AV-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id jAHJImY09016; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:18:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-SW-2V1.sw.nos.boeing.com ([129.172.87.194]) by xch-swbh-11.sw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:46 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrpq1aCwqoEsA/TImkdPHDix2rVAAAb3EQ From: "Loa, Kanchei" To: "Pekka Savola" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 19:18:46.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB284280:01C5EBAB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id OAA05210 >> The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to >> specify >> formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes >> today). > > But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Someone's > policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional or national > traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does not fulfill > that goal, as the site who sends the community has to (AFAICS) both: > > 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and > 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount > > These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very > useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. These demanding constraints are basic operation requirements in the US defense internet. The AS hopcount will be a useful to control routing policy in such a tightly regulated environment. I guess we are qualified as large ISPs even though completely isolated from the commercial one. The draft should be adopted as an IDR WG document as it provides a useful tool to control the routing policy. Kanchei --------------------------------------------- Kanchei Loa The Boeing Company _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04863 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecobm-000438-TB; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecobm-000433-1Y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12700 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcotO-0004H8-K5 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:53:58 -0500 Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ecobh-0007Xt-3d for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:35:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHIXLx32559; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:33:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:33:21 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: > The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to specify > formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes > today). But is that useful enough to fulfill the intended policy? Someone's policy could be for example, "I want to only get regional or national traffic via this advertisement". This mechanism does not fulfill that goal, as the site who sends the community has to (AFAICS) both: 1) know the network topology to the depth of $HOPCOUNT AS numbers, and 2) know which ones implement AS-hopcount These are very demanding constraints and I doubt it offers a very useful tool for affecting intended (more fine-grained) policy. But maybe the goal of AS hopcount isn't that, but rather something much coarser, for example enabling an endsite to say, "OK, we'll try advertising with HOPCOUNT = 1,...,n until we get the degree of inbound traffic balancing as we want and stick with that value. We don't care where that traffic comes from". For that the feature could be useful. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04708 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcoGe-00047n-AI; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcoGb-00046R-Vf for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11517 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcoYH-0003WA-MU for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:07 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 10:13:40 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHIDZ6a001470; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437CC84F.6080409@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:13:35 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Well, as folks already started voting, let me add mine too: The draft should be adopted as an IDR WG document as it provides a useful tool to help reduce the routing table size. -- Enke Susan Hares wrote: >Tony, Rex and Joe: > >Thank-you for the nice reminder. > >We did a WG last call on the document and got 4 (or so) replies. This >level of interest is light for a WG document. > >As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the >timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our >suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > >Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? >Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft to say >so on the list starting Monday? > > >Sue and Yakov > >PS - Yakov's on travel this week so his response may be slow. > >-----Original Message----- >From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Tony Li >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:45 PM >To: idr@ietf.org >Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > > >Hi all, > >Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- >hopcount-03 become a WG document. >There was little discussion but the responses to the mailing list >were clearly favorable. > >As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was >deemed that there was insufficient >interest, although these results may be skewed by the attendance of >the meeting itself. > >We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and >ask that those interested in this >document speak up on-list. > >Thanks, >Rex & Joe & Tony > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01279 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecick-0007tZ-Ob; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:12:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecicj-0007st-2m for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:12:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17962 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19loAKvVvxFXFI8rkFxBT1you172t1fMH0=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eciu8-0007Fy-1h for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:30:18 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/m0qJzVlGK9fVD2vOK+FaTnd1okR+laLU@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHCBtRI005440; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:11:59 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:11:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Pekka Savola wrote: > While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very > useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, > I don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the > intended) policy. > That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount > with value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it > and the policy goal behind such use. The 2 hop case certainly seems something that it'd be useful to specify formally (beyond any AS-specific 'action' communities offered by some ASes today). If there is consensus on that (?), then it seems just as much effort to introduce and roll-out a new well-known community as the more generalised, yet still simple enough, hopcount attribute. The density of AS hierarchy, no idea. Perhaps at some stage we'll need a better well-known path metric than the current AS_PATH length. Granularity of 1 is obviously very coarse when average length is (what) 3.9? That's possibly an argument for maybe trying to future-proof AS_HOPCOUNT a bit with an additional type to allow for any future refinement of metrics maybe. Nature of such refinements, who knows - for another thread some other day ;). regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress. -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01006 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci8S-0006vq-Q9; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:41:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci8Q-0006vl-H9 for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16145 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciQ2-0006Ey-RO for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:59:12 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 03:40:49 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,342,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="15410963:sNHT21434744" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHBejln008223; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:45 -0500 Received: from [64.103.12.55] ([64.103.12.55]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <437C6C3C.2000806@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:40:44 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 11:40:44.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF132C60:01C5EB6B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, Correct ... To clarify it does not need to be 3 levels in a hierarchy. It can be just plain flat string of ASes. As described one core AS and few ASes around it. Thx, R. > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Robert Raszuk wrote: > >> Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants >> to limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his >> domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal >> ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) >> from the core AS his problem is easily solved. > > > Are you saying that there are real topologies where there are about 3 > levels of (hierarchical) ASes under one administrative domain where this > kind of control would be desirable? > > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00841 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci0W-00036w-TF; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eci0V-00034k-Ek for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15712 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciI7-00060e-BX for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:51:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHBWTo23748; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:29 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:32:29 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to > limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his domain. > The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal ASes. If he > configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from the core AS his > problem is easily solved. Are you saying that there are real topologies where there are about 3 levels of (hierarchical) ASes under one administrative domain where this kind of control would be desirable? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00785 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Echte-0000xe-2V; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Echtc-0000xY-Fq for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15146 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciBE-0005gz-Jk for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:43:53 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2005 03:25:30 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,341,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="231577675:sNHT25258144" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAHBPS6a005007; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:26 -0500 Received: from [64.103.12.55] ([64.103.12.55]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <437C68A5.4050307@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:25:25 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Organization: Signature: http://www.employees.org/~raszuk/sig/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 11:25:25.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AE80EC0:01C5EB69] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li , Paul Jakma X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raszuk@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, > While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very > useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I > don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the > intended) policy. Your doubts that the idea may not address few possible interconnect topologies and may not be the universal solution for limiting update propagation for generations to come is IMHO not a sufficient argument not to progress with the draft and make it a WG doc to address all other much more controled AS meshes. Imagine there is a network operator who owns number of ASes and wants to limit some information distribution in one of BGP SAFIs just to his domain. The usual topology is one AS in the core surranded by reginal ASes. If he configured AS_HOPCOUNT to 3 and do not peer (by design) from the core AS his problem is easily solved. Cheers, R. > That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount with > value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it and the > policy goal behind such use. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00357 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EchFb-00032a-6Z; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:44:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EchFZ-00032P-BL for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:44:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA13106 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EchXA-0004Kw-9W for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:02:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAHAhvv22760; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:43:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:43:57 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Jakma wrote: >> We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and ask >> that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. While I can see it seems simple, I don't see how it would be very useful. As the mesh of interconnections gets more and more dense, I don't believe it's really a sufficient mechanism to express (the intended) policy. That is, is there any real examples of applicability of AS hopcount with value >= 3 ? I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it and the policy goal behind such use. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28633 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EceaB-00037W-4c; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:53:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecea9-00037R-OI for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:53:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05238 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from detebe.org ([195.34.187.2] helo=new.detebe.org ident=exim) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eceri-00071g-GT for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:11:32 -0500 Received: from elmi by new.detebe.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1EceZt-000FJr-5R; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:53:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:53:05 +0100 From: "Elmar K. Bins" To: Paul Jakma Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Message-ID: <20051117075304.GR96756@new.detebe.org> References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: unorganized since 1789 X-Whisky: Knockando, extra old reserve X-Ncc-RegID: de.denic X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Just to give it some leverage... paul@clubi.ie (Paul Jakma) wrote: > >We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document > >and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. I second that and would like to see it implemented. Elmar. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28272 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcdzF-0000qp-NX; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:15:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecdz4-0000pl-IH for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:15:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA03619 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.55.49] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+9UfEo+5N6mqaroLWORxU9JrJRLUN/1nQ=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EceGe-0005sN-0T for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:33:13 -0500 Received: from sheen.jakma.org (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/TOWdCKLaKtG20USP8uhm56HCWAVegyYs@sheen.jakma.org [212.17.55.53]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH7EYgp002595; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:14:38 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:14:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@sheen.jakma.org To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-Reply-To: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Message-ID: References: <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Mail-Copies-To: paul@hibernia.jakma.org X-NSA: al aqsar jihad musharef jet-A1 avgas ammonium qran inshallah allah al-akbar martyr iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas british airways washington peroxide cool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on hibernia.jakma.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Tony Li wrote: > Last month we sent around an email request asking that > draft-li-as-hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little > discussion but the responses to the mailing list were clearly > favorable. > As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was > deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results > may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. IIRC there was a pretty clear show of hands in Paris to adopt as WG document. > We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document > and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. It seems it could be very useful. And reasonably simple. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Ditat Deus. [God enriches] _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25771 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcZ1Z-00080r-R6; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcZ1Y-00080m-Di for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA15069 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay02.pair.com ([209.68.5.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcZJ3-0003Nb-Kq for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 91690 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 01:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO workhorse.faster-light.net) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 01:57:06 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 69.37.59.162 Received: from workhorse.faster-light.net (localhost.faster-light.net [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.faster-light.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAH1wPpS017432; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.faster-light.net) Message-Id: <200511170158.jAH1wPpS017432@workhorse.faster-light.net> To: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:45:04 PST." <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@faster-light.net List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org In message <5350312E-7FAA-46BA-A657-91D72795B2BA@tony.li> Tony Li writes: > > > Hi all, > > Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- > hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little discussion but the > responses to the mailing list were clearly favorable. > > As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was > deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results > may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. > > We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and > ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. > > Thanks, > Rex & Joe & Tony Simple. Useful. Can be used to address the need that PTOMANE was focused on. What I said last time ... Should be a WG doc. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25319 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcYUx-0006tK-Pi; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:23:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcYUw-0006tF-2F for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:23:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13154 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcYmR-0002EL-VU for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:41:42 -0500 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2005 17:23:23 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAH1NFOp002550; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:23:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <437BDB88.3020304@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:23:20 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org, Tony Li X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Sue: Based on the past history concerning new drafts for IDR, it may not be realistic to have 30 persons commenting on a particular draft. It seems to me the number needs to be lower for it to be useful. -- Enke Susan Hares wrote: >30 or so folks with a clear consensus from the Service Providers would >be a nice number. Of course, comments on the draft would be helpful. > >Sue > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:07 PM >To: Susan Hares >Cc: idr@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > > > > >>As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the >>timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our >>suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. >> >>Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? >>Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft >>to say >>so on the list starting Monday? >> >> > >Thanks Sue... > >That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response >would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal >issue... > >Tony > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24726 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXNr-0004fU-Mx; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:12:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXNq-0004fP-0y for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:12:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA09608 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXfM-0008Vg-7O for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:30:17 -0500 Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BFE163747; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 891JkqaL20265Mo2; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:54 GMT Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 889JkqaL10265Mo2; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:52 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:11:52 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID006JkqaL19496Xo2 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw1.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:11:51 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:11:50 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F020220977F@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrCtnxhDX+3CYqTOy0fd/IBY33xQAADqmg From: "Susan Hares" To: "Tony Li" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 00:11:51.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[82B33F40:01C5EB0B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id TAA24726 30 or so folks with a clear consensus from the Service Providers would be a nice number. Of course, comments on the draft would be helpful. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Tony Li [mailto:tony.li@tony.li] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:07 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) > As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the > timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our > suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > > Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? > Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft > to say > so on the list starting Monday? Thanks Sue... That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal issue... Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24705 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXJ9-00027a-HO; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXJ6-00027P-GZ for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA09382 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXab-0008MW-Rc for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-67-180-169-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.180.169.111]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511170006590110026kj1e>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:07:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> References: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A9E1FE0-F77B-4AE0-8A88-5C93DCC63274@tony.li> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Li Subject: Re: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:56 -0800 To: "Susan Hares" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org > As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the > timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our > suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. > > Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? > Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft > to say > so on the list starting Monday? Thanks Sue... That seems eminently reasonable. What quantitative amount of response would you deem necessary? Obviously, consensus is an orthogonal issue... Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24599 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXAp-0007wr-GO; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcXAn-0007uv-Fn for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08701 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcXSJ-0007zs-HP for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0500 Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10410163FC4; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 027JkPX7m0074Mo2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:12 GMT Received: from gateout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by gateout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 026JkPX7k0126Mo2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:10 GMT X-USANET-Routed: 2 gwsout-vs R:localhost:1825 Received: from gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:58:11 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID906JkPX7L9488Xo2 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:58:10 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:58:09 -0700 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0202209752@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Thread-Index: AcXrCDmYz+Ct8xuwSh6+kVxT10SYMAAABIkQ From: "Susan Hares" To: "Tony Li" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 23:58:10.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[990AEBF0:01C5EB09] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.merit.edu id SAA24599 Tony, Rex and Joe: Thank-you for the nice reminder. We did a WG last call on the document and got 4 (or so) replies. This level of interest is light for a WG document. As Yakov and I discussed the light response, we felt that perhaps the timing of the last call just before IETF was problematic. Our suggestion is to repeat the 2 week last call on the WG document. Would you-all be amenable to a 2 week last call starting on Monday? Perhaps you can rouse the troops supporting the AS hopcount draft to say so on the list starting Monday? Sue and Yakov PS - Yakov's on travel this week so his response may be slow. -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:45 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] AS hopcount draft (redux) Hi all, Last month we sent around an email request asking that draft-li-as- hopcount-03 become a WG document. There was little discussion but the responses to the mailing list were clearly favorable. As part of the physical meeting, the WG was again polled and it was deemed that there was insufficient interest, although these results may be skewed by the attendance of the meeting itself. We would like to renew our request that this become a WG document and ask that those interested in this document speak up on-list. 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------=_NextPart_000_0022_CB46DB87.816C2EC5-- Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05326 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eb9Pu-00066S-M7; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eb9Pt-00066J-QL for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11098 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eb9gd-0003j0-P8 for idr@ietf.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:41:53 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jAD4OGBm091443; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jAD4OCp13585; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511130424.jAD4OCp13585@merlot.juniper.net> To: "Bill Fenner" , zinin@psg.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <344.1131855851.1@juniper.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:24:11 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: skh@nexthop.com, idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 4 bytes AS to PS X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Bill and Alex, The IDR WG would like to ask the IESG to advance draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt to a Proposed Standard. The implementation report is draft-huston-idr-as4bytes-survey-00.txt Sue & Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20600 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EalPw-0001aR-1R; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EalPv-0001aH-2I; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:46:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA05368; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: nudtzhangxz@263.net Received: from smtp.263.net ([211.150.96.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EalgR-00076H-BS; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:04:04 -0500 Received: by smtp.263.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3256023701; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:46:36 +0800 (CST) To: idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-request@ietf.org Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:46:36 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XMail-3.0 Message-Id: <20051112024636.3256023701@smtp.263.net> X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 Subject: [Idr] (no subject) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0128877697==" Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org --===============0128877697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 c3Vic2NyaWJlIGlkci1wb3N0DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0NCjI2M7Xn19PTyrz+o63QxcC108rX1Neo0rU= --===============0128877697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --===============0128877697==-- Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18285 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EahRU-0004Rp-Vl; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EahRS-0004Qm-RN for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA22774 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eahhy-0005qJ-5n for idr@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:49:22 -0500 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2005 14:32:10 -0800 Received: from [128.107.134.9] (enke-linux.cisco.com [128.107.134.9]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jABMW7ag009492; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43751BE7.5070205@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:32:07 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Hi, folks: Thanks for all the comments on the 4byte AS Number draft during the IDR WG last call. The revised version (-12.txt) includes the following changes based on the comments: o expanded the "Processing Received Updates" section: - added text on how to handle the new attributes in the case of "double aggregation". - clarified the procedures for re-constructing the AS path info. o added the Introduction section. o added text for the AS number allocation in the IANA Considerations section. o split the references into normative, and non-normative sections. o referenced the new draft "Four-octet AS Specific BGP Extended Community". o removed the section numbers for "Status of this Memo", and "Abstract". o removed the "Interaction Between OLD BGP Speaker" section. o removed a reference in the abstract. o used the right case for "MAY", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "MUST" when appropriate. o other minor editorial changes. -- Enke Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space > Author(s) : Q. Vohra, E. Chen > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2005-11-11 > >Currently the Autonomous System number is encoded as a two-octet > entity in BGP. 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Address Prefix Based Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4 Author(s) : E. Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2005-11-11 This document defines a new Outbound Router Filter type for BGP, termed "Address Prefix Outbound Route Filter", that can be used to perform address prefix based route filtering. This ORF-type supports prefix length or range based matching, wild-card based address prefix matching, as well as the exact address prefix matching for address families. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-orf-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : AS-wide Unique BGP Identifier for BGP-4 Author(s) : E. Chen, J. Yuan Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2005-11-11 To accommodate situations where the current requirements for the BGP Identifier are not met, this document relaxes the definition of the BGP Identifier to be a 4-octet unsigned, non-zero integer, and relaxes the "uniqueness" requirement so that only AS-wide uniqueness of the BGP Identifiers is required. These revisions to the base BGP specification do not introduce any backward compatibility issue. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-identifier-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space Author(s) : Q. Vohra, E. Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2005-11-11 Currently the Autonomous System number is encoded as a two-octet entity in BGP. This document describes extensions to BGP to carry the Autonomous System number as a four-octet entity. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-12.txt". 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[172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jA9GW2G64941 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511091632.jA9GW2G64941@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <64694.1131553922.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:32:02 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c Subject: [Idr] notes from the WG meeting X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Please review and comment for correctness. The deadline for comments is Nov 21, 2005. Yakov. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:07:16 -0800 From: Larry Blunk To: skh@nexthop.com, yakov@juniper.net Subject: notes - --0-67043162-1131502036=:68032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Sue, Here are my notes. I missed some of the exchange between Yakov and Gargi over the BGP Connector Attribute. -Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com - --0-67043162-1131502036=:68032 Content-Type: text/plain; name="idr-notes.txt" Content-Description: 4180351827-idr-notes.txt Content-Disposition: inline; filename="idr-notes.txt" IDR WG Meeting Notes - Nov. 8, 2005 1:00 - 3:00 PM recorded by Larry J. Blunk ljb@merit.edu Yakov - Review of document status -- refer to slides Enke to produce implementation reports for outbound route filtering and ... Pekka - what is the status of the version 2 MIB? Sue - needs two implem entations Yakov - as4octect-ext-community no implementations, will be published separately from ext. communities so as no to hold up ext. comm. An individual submission for now. Should this be a WG item or should it die? Geoff Huston - don't let it die. Want to be able to signal from 2 AS c omm. to 4 byte AS comm. Consensus is to make it a WG item. Will send to mailing list and see i f any objections to making WG item Tony Li send email to list that he would like to make AS hopcount draft a WG item. Pekka did not support. only 6-7 have read, 4 votes to make it a WG item. Yakov - service pro viders please read doc. and let people know if you want it to be WG item. Sue Hares - Group Cooperative Route Filtering Capability for BGP-4 - slides Want something like a "route-map" function for ORF. Create ordered group s of policies. Apply group policies before non-group. Use AND/OR bit to specify how ordered po licy groups are applied. Examples provided about how this capability would be used. Question - Geoff - trying to construct a pseudo Boolean which is subset of true boolean - why not go other 10% to full boolean. Feedback has been to scaleback to limited language. All you need is to allow groups in groups. Someone likely have a case that requires f ull boolean logic. Authors have argued about whether it is needed. Geoff - hard to know in advance. Comment - could you add a NOT to make it complete? Enke - goal is to simplify and to improve performance. Sue - not performa nce issue. Will take back comments about missing functionality and update draft and b ring to WG. David Ward - BGP for Interdomain Service Routing (aka Context AFI) - slides Interdomain QOS. Led by Dave Clark at MIT. Yakov comment - not only BGP can't signal path characteristics - nothing c an. Want to announce a service not a packet marking - must have opaque semanti cs for QOS bits on either side of AS boundary. minimal changes to BGP - no BGP5. multisession BGP to rem ove fate sharing. advertise multiple paths to same dest. aggregate withdraw. Context AF fo r BGP. QOS value 0-255. The ID itself is opaque and does note define a local QOS semantics. exchanges QOS service information - enabling service differentiation. Sue - this looks like old IDR QOS revisited. Dave - what's new is always old. Divergent from QOS bit. Semantic free and opaque. Service 42 is available but no meaning to seman tics. Sue - are you mixing QOS pieces? Sue - timeliness issue. How do you ensure announcement is the re in time. Chandra Comment - could be useful to an application to group together prefi x/service - don't need to go to IANA. Yakov - will you have different SAFI values for different AFI's? Dave - could negotiate to RD's are all the way down to RT's, but less flexi ble. Yakov - WG comment. Bigger picture does not belong in IDR, only BGP change s. Yakov - should the bigger picture come first. Sue - is all you are asking for is a different AFI? Dave - Yes. Add path and agg. withdraw would help, but not truly necessary. Sue - AD's what is process for new AFI? Bill - it say s nothing, would be sent to IESG which would send to back IDR. Yakov - would IESG like to see big picture? Alex - not ready to answer that question, would like to see discussion on list. Dave - Propose MAVs BOF to discuss QOS things not rel ated to BGP. Dave - this is indepedent. Alex - if working group discusses and believes it can be used for other tec hnologies and there is strong support. Yakov - there was discussion of tunnel setup. Dave - I don't believe there are dependen cies between outcome of MAVs BOF and this proposal. Alex - sounds like discussion and consensus is needed. Bruce Davie from Cisco - feels work does stand alone if you assume there is a diffserv architecture. can look at diffserv architecture for big picture context. Yakov - can someone write document about how this fits into diffserv. Bruce will find someone to do that. Enke Chen - BGP extended optional parameters draft - slides BGP capabilities in optional parameters field which is limited to 255 byte s. number of capabilities could exceed this amount. introduce extended optional parameters. Can carry extended options in open message and indicate whether there will be a second OPEN message with ext. optional parameters. Question - what if you have ORF capability? Enke - you only do ORF after connection is established - will talk later. Sue - were state machine changes included? John promised to do it. Nee ded to move forward. Enke - should this become a WG item? Don't need it today, but could be im portant tomorrow. Only 4 or so have read. Yakov wants more people to read before progressing. Work will not be done if no interest. Chandra Appanna - BGP Aggregate Withdraw - slides Introduced by David. Currently one withdraw per advertised prefix. incom ing withdraw processing is per prefix -- impacts network convergence. send a withdraw with common at tributes. Ron Bonica - is there mechanism to ensure that you only withdraw routes th at you announce? Chandra - routes are only for a particular session. Current draft is not transitiv e, but it could be so. Yakov - time-to-withdraw could be used without agg. withdraw. Chandra - yes. Pekka - if we are using Secure BGP or SOBGP will it require special proces sing? Chandra - no, but haven't thought about it. Sue - how does this relate to withdraw bags of routes, not sure. Will take offline. Dave - with agg. withdraw you match on attributes unlike bags. Could be ASPATH, Origin, etc. Chandra - designed to be general. Yakov - could mark and organize by extended comm unities instead. Dave - if it's too much flexilibility, that's okay. Dave - WG could determine that only communities are needed. Yakov - not clear how to propagate agg. withdraw if applied to things other than commu nities. Will take this offline. WG needs to decide if it wants to propagate agg. withdraw. Gargi Nalawade - BGP Connector Attribute - slides Tunneling applications exist or are being proposed in BGP. Tunnel endpoi nt discovery. Most of work will be done l3vpn working group, but presenting in IDR for feedback here. Gargi Nalawade - multicast signaling using BGP - slides other work going on in other WG. PE-PE signaling for Multicast VPNs. usin g BGP for non-LAN based Multicast VPNs. Enhancement required in BGP. Go to L3VPN for further dis cussion. - --0-67043162-1131502036=:68032-- ------- End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09947 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZdQl-0002Qn-Md; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:03:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZdQk-0002Qg-OS for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:03:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16806 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net ([207.17.137.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZdgd-0005u8-Pc for idr@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jA902wBm049379 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id jA902wG40936 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200511090002.jA902wG40936@merlot.juniper.net> To: idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16842.1131494577.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:02:58 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 Subject: [Idr] IDR WG minutes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Please review and comment for correctness. The deadline for comments is Nov 21, 2005. Yakov. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:16:35 -0600 From: David Ward To: , , David Ward Subject: Notes from IDR IETF 64 Not much discussion this time ... IDR IETF 64 - ------------- 0. Doc Status a. new draft to be reissued for 4-octet AS b. AS Confeds - implementation report submitted and spec will go as PS c. GR - post AD comments to PS d. RR - have IESG comments, revised draft sub. and back to editor e. 1863 went to historic f. ton of stuff on editor queue (all to be pub'ed as package vs individual docs) g. MPBGP, Cease notify at editor h. a lot no progress (see slides) due to lack of implementation report Pekka Savola: what is status of BGP MIB v2 YR: no implemenation report ... no progress - ------------- 1. as 4 octet commmunity - Rehkter no slides Ext comm needs to be able to support 4 byte ASN ext comm Existing doc removed language New doc published for support (to not get in way of ext comm doc) New doc produced via cut and paste protocol It is currently individual submission Could be WG doc but, it will sit until any implementations Geoff Huston: It should be a WG draft Take it to the list ... to be WG doc 1A. YR request from Tony Li to make AS hop count a WG document sent to list and only got few replies asked room ... no concensus ... not WG doc yet - ------------- 2. ORF groups - Hares See slides for structure of UPDATE See slides for usage scenarios Geoff Huston: You have small parts of a boolean language ... why not go all the way? Sue: We were told during the last two meetings that we should shrink back the functionality GH: Just add groups in groups and go for full boolean logic We have had a lot of arguments/discussion on this topic and request more input. GH: Can't determine beforehand how complex someone may want to get Vach: What about other operands? E.g. "Not" Need to see what you want or we are going full bore ... Enke: If goal is to simplify config .. .but, ORF originally was not to simplify config but, to improve performance. It is unclear how the config is simplified. Sue: It is an effort to expand power of config Kireeti: The language is not boolean complete Rudiger: The language helps the pain w/ config - ------------- 3. Context AF - Ward See slides Yakov: Clarification if we need to have larger work in IETF DWard: It is not dependent on that work and can work with existing technology A document will be written that associates diffserv architecture to this work. - ------------- 4. Enke Chen - Extended Open Parameters See slides Problem ... we are running out of capability space NAME? How does it work w/ ORF Enke: It should work just fine. I don't understand. - ------------- 5. Chandra Appanna - Aggregate Withdraw See slides Ron Bonica: Does this have a mechanism to prevent WD another's routes Chandra: That is implicit in the protocol Ron: Can it be propagated? Chandra: Not transitive Yakov: Could be made transitive Chandra: Yes but, we don't pass along WDs today and thus, the draft keeps Yakov: Time to WD could be plugged in today w/o Aggregate WD Chandra: This is much more convenient given the other positive attributes Pekka; if using SBGP or soBGP would it require special processing? Chandra: No but, haven't thought about it much Yakov: Please make it transitive. If you use communities, it will be easily transitive. Do we need the others? - ------------- 6. Gargi - Tunneling applications see slides Yakov: Connector attribute carries a shortand for the tunnel, not just the endpoint Gargi: Yes Yakov: It is even more than shortand but, a list of preferences for a set of tunnels Gargi: Yes, there is nothing in the draft that prevents this from happening Yakov: Most work going on in L3VPN but, IDR will oversee - ------------- 7. Gargi - Multicast signaling using BGP see slides No comments Out of Time ....... ------- End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23404 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXicB-0001Tk-1s; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:11:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXic9-0001SI-He for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:11:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13512 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cat.tcb.net ([64.78.150.134] helo=dog.tcb.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXiqy-0003df-4U for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:26:21 -0500 Received: from [205.168.100.52] (dhcp3.tcb.net [205.168.100.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dog.tcb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0764351 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:10:33 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3BCACCE3-0A32-457E-B239-96965B3927CF@tcb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: idr@ietf.org From: Danny McPherson Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:10:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 439b8e44c906b144bce6744ebb966e60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Idr] RFC3065bis Implementation Report X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Included below is the RFC3065bis implementation report. I plan to add one additional vendor once I get a bit more information from them. I'll post to internet-drafts@ once the acceptance window for new drafts reopens. If you have comments, clarifications, or would like your implementation listed please send me email (note that I'm not planning to be at the upcoming meeting per a work conflict). Thanks! -danny ------------------------ INTERNET-DRAFT Danny McPherson Arbor Networks, Inc. Expires: May 2006 November 2005 RFC3065bis Implementation Report Status of this Memo By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress". The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/1id-abstracts.html The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). All Rights Reserved. McPherson, D. [Page 1] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 Abstract This document provides an implementation report for Autonomous System Confederations for BGP as defined in draft-ietf-idr- rfc3065bis-05.txt. The editor did not verify the accuracy of the information provided by respondents or by any alternative means. The respondents are experts with the implementations they reported on, and their responses are considered authoritative for the implementations for which their responses represent. McPherson, D. [Page 2] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2. Implementation Forms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2.1. Operations Compliance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2.2. AS_CONFED Segement Types and AS_PATH Handling . . . . . . . 5 2.3. AS_PATH Modification. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2.4. Error Handling. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.5. Path Selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.6. Interoperable Implementations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3. Security Considerations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4. Acknowledgments. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.1. Normative References. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.2. Informative References. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6. Author's Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 McPherson, D. [Page 3] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 1. Introduction Autonomous System Confederations for BGP describes an extension to BGP which may be used to create a confederation of autonomous systems that is represented as a single autonomous system to BGP peers external to the confederation, thereby removing the "full mesh" requirement inherent to BGP. The intention of this extension is to aid in policy administration and reduce the management complexity of maintaining a large autonomous system. This document provides an implementation report for Autonomous System Confederations for BGP as defined in draft-ietf-idr- rfc3065bis-05.txt. The editor did not verify the accuracy of the information provided by respondents or by any alternative means. The respondents are experts with the implementations they reported on, and their responses are considered authoritative for the implementations for which their responses represent. 2. Implementation Forms Contact and implementation information for person filling out this form: Name: Robert Raszuk Email: raszuk@cisco.com Vendor: Cisco Systems Inc Release: IOS and IOS-XR Name: Manish Vora Email: Manish.Vora@ecitele.com Vendor: ECI Telecom (formerly Laurel Networks) Release: Shadetree 3.2 2.1. Operations Compliance Does your implementation follow the procedures outlined in the Operation Section of [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES McPherson, D. Section 2.1. [Page 4] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 ECI: YES 2.2. AS_CONFED Segement Types and AS_PATH Handling Does your implementation recognize the two AS_CONFED Segment Types (AS_CONFED_SET and AS_CONFED_SEQUENCE) defined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation use it's Member-AS number in all transactions with peers that are members of the same BGP confederation as the local speaker? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation treat receipt of an AS_PATH attribute containing an autonomous system matching its own AS Confederation Identifier in the same fashion as if it had received a path containing its own AS number? Cisco: YES ECI: YES Does your implementation treat receipt of an AS_PATH attribute containing an AS_CONFED_SEQUENCE or AS_CONFED_SET which contains its own Member-AS Number in the same fashion as if it had received a path containing its own AS number? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.3. AS_PATH Modification Does your implementation follow the AS_PATH Modification Rules outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES McPherson, D. Section 2.3. [Page 5] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 2.4. Error Handling Does your implementation follow the Error Handling procedures outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.5. Path Selection Does your implementation follow the Path Selection guidelines outlined in [RFC3065bis]? Cisco: YES ECI: YES 2.6. Interoperable Implementations List other implementations that you have tested for Autonomous System Confederatins for BGP [RFC3065bis]: Cisco: JUNOS, IOS, IOS-XR, Redback, GateD ECI: IOS, JUNOS, Redback 3. Security Considerations 4. Acknowledgments To Be Supplied... McPherson, D. Section 4. [Page 6] INTERNET-DRAFT Expires: May 2006 November 2005 5. References 5.1. Normative References [BGP-4] Rekhter, Y., Li, T., and Hares, S., "A Border Gateway Protocol 4", Internet-Draft, "Work in Progress". [RFC 1965] Traina, P. "Autonomous System Confederations for BGP", RFC 1965, June 1996. [RFC 3065] Traina, P., McPherson, D. and Scudder, J., "Autonomous System Confederations for BGP", RFC 3065, February 2001. 5.2. Informative References [RFC 1771] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "A Border Gateway Protocol 4 (BGP-4)", RFC 1771, March 1995. [RFC 1863] Haskin, D., "A BGP/IDRP Route Server alternative to a full mesh routing", RFC 1863, October 1995. [RFC 2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", RFC 2119, March 1997. 6. Author's Address Danny McPherson Arbor Networks, Inc. Phone: +1 303.470.9257 EMail: danny@arbor.net McPherson, D. Section 6. 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[Page 8] _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by nic.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA14386 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXVEw-0000lp-Rt; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:54:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EXVEv-0000ku-5J for idr@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:54:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26165 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54] helo=huawei.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXVTa-0006Hz-4M for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:09:21 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPC00ILSZ5B3C@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:11 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxml02-in ([172.24.1.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPC001L3Z5A3A@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:11 +0800 (CST) Received: from z37310 ([10.110.156.163]) by szxml02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IPC006UOZ514K@szxml02-in.huawei.com> for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:03:02 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:53:47 +0800 From: zhangzhifeng To: idr@ietf.org Message-id: <000601c5e021$d0539b90$a39c6e0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [Idr] New method for format of ExtCommunity then ExtCommunity can carry TOS of IP header and keep the ability for classifing route information X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1286192936==" Sender: idr-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: idr-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1286192936== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Since BGP commuity can only classify routing information,if you want to apply QoS policy based on BGP ,you can use BGP community to classify route information, then apply the TOS or some other QoS policy based on the classified route information. For example: On the large network, to make classifing simple, usually, we can apply the QoS policy based on BGP. The process is as following: 1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we classify it by BGP community. 2. The accepter of BGP route information will match the classify route information then apply the policy. The process is complex. To make the process simple, we can use the ExtCommunity to support QoS task. If BGP Extended Community can map TOS value of IP header at the same time and keep the ability for classifing route information,the QoS policy based on BGP will be simple. For example: In the same AS, to make classifing simple. The process is as following: 1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we map the TOS value into ExtCommunity, and at the same time classify route information by ExtCommunity. The actions of classifying route information is optional, it is just for classifying route information. 2. The accepter of BGP route information can directly apply the TOS policy which is carried by ExtCommunity. The process is simple. --Boundary_(ID_/vjAkwWj8cWovQk1qcHmUA) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Since BGP commuity can only classify routing information,if you want to apply QoS policy based on BGP ,you can use BGP
 
community to classify route information, then apply the TOS or some other QoS policy based on the classified route
information.
 
   For example:
 
   On the large network, to make classifing simple, usually, we can apply the QoS policy based on BGP.
  
   The process is as following:
   1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we classify it by BGP community. 
   2. The accepter of BGP route information will match the classify route information then apply the policy.
 
   The process is complex.  
 
   To make the process simple, we can use the ExtCommunity to support
   QoS task.
  
   If BGP Extended Community can map TOS value of IP header at the same time and keep the ability for classifing route
 
information,the QoS policy based on BGP will be simple.
  
   For example:
   In the same AS, to make classifing simple.
 
   The process is as following:
   1. Before the BGP route information is advertised, we map the TOS value into ExtCommunity, and at the same time classify
 
route information by ExtCommunity. The actions of classifying route information is optional, it is just for classifying route
 
information.
 
   2. The accepter of BGP route information can directly apply the TOS policy which is carried by ExtCommunity.
 
   The process is simple.
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