From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Sep 15 06:59:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA5A21F8B19; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.404 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.404 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6Ch3Ivwnpyq; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A48D21F8B13; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110915135937.20309.65730.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:59:37 -0700 Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:59:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of= the IETF. Title : BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR) Author(s) : Robert Raszuk Christian Cassar Erik Aman Bruno Decraene Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-01.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2011-09-15 [RFC4456] asserts that, because the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) cost to a given point in the network will vary across routers, "the route reflection approach may not yield the same route selection result as that of the full IBGP mesh approach." One practical implication of this assertion is that the deployment of route reflection may thwart the ability to achieve hot potato routing. Hot potato routing attempts to direct traffic to the closest AS egress point in cases where no higher priority policy dictates otherwise. As a consequence of the route reflection method, the choice of exit point for a route reflector and its clients will be the egress point closest to the route reflector - and not necessarily closest to the RR clients. Section 11 of [RFC4456] describes a deployment approach and a set of constraints which, if satsified, would result in the deployment of route reflection yielding the same results as the iBGP full mesh approach. Such a deployment approach would make route reflection compatible with the application of hot potato routing policy. As networks evolved to accommodate architectural requirements of new services, tunneled (LSP/IP tunneling) networks with centralized route reflectors became commonplace. This is one type of common deployment where it would be impractical to satisfy the constraints described in Section 11 of [RFC4456]. Yet, in such an environment, hot potato routing policy remains desirable. This document proposes two new solutions which can be deployed to facilitate the application of closest exit point policy centralized route reflection deployments. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflec= tion-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflect= ion-01.txt From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Sep 15 16:42:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAFB11E8086; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.882 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.882 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.718, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EN-mFOX5cYLT; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6BE21F8B46; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:42:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110915234229.31818.48282.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:42:29 -0700 Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-06.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:42:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of= the IETF. Title : Advertisement of Multiple Paths in BGP Author(s) : Daniel Walton Enke Chen Alvaro Retana John Scudder Filename : draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-06.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2011-09-15 In this document we propose a BGP extension that allows the advertisement of multiple paths for the same address prefix without the new paths implicitly replacing any previous ones. The essence of the extension is that each path is identified by a path identifier in addition to the address prefix. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-06.txt From ilya@nobulus.com Tue Sep 20 00:08:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAC021F8A56 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2PJoie+98Yy for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (nobulus.com [IPv6:2001:6f8:892:6ff::11:152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D838D21F8A4E for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77C3174E3 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:10:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nobulus.com Received: from nobulus.com ([127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (nobulus.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id EX62+dipGOWE for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hnivarlas1 (unknown [IPv6:2001:6f8:892:6f8:e5e8:3ac8:5411:865b]) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D0C5A174D8 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> From: "iLya" To: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:10:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="koi8-r"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Subject: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:08:28 -0000 Hi, yesterday and few days earlier several people have observed their BGP sessions being reset after seeing certain prefix. After some evaluation I've found that offending prefix (in global internet table) had optional transitive ATTR_SET (code 128) attached. Not having first hand access to platforms that exhibited session reset I'm speculating that they've recognised attribute as such but found it to be inappropriate for given context and so treated update as malformed with all consequences. BGP specs seem to have only one place that could (with some stretching) justify such behaviour - from rfc4271#section-6.3 "...If an optional attribute is recognized, then the value of this attribute MUST be checked...". Wouldn't it be appropriate to add extra text that would clarify that optional transitive attributes out of context should not result in session reset? P.S.: as far as I understood problematic BGP implementation is fixed in later software releases, but lack of clarity in BGP specs leaves room for similar problems in the future Cheers, iLya From robert@raszuk.net Tue Sep 20 00:33:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDA621F85A4 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29OdIFT3DwNQ for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail37.opentransfer.com (mail37.opentransfer.com [76.162.254.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B37AE21F84CF for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13535 invoked by uid 399); 20 Sep 2011 07:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?216.69.73.190?) (216.69.73.190) by mail37.opentransfer.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2011 07:35:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:35:25 +0200 From: Robert Raszuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iLya References: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> In-Reply-To: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert@raszuk.net List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:33:02 -0000 Hi Ilya, Do you think that the below draft still does not formally address the problem you are describing ? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 Cheers, R. > Hi, > > yesterday and few days earlier several people have observed their BGP > sessions being reset after seeing certain prefix. After some evaluation > I've found that offending prefix (in global internet table) had optional > transitive ATTR_SET (code 128) attached. Not having first hand access to > platforms that exhibited session reset I'm speculating that they've > recognised attribute as such but found it to be inappropriate for given > context and so treated update as malformed with all consequences. > > BGP specs seem to have only one place that could (with some stretching) > justify such behaviour - from rfc4271#section-6.3 "...If an optional > attribute is recognized, then the value of this attribute MUST be > checked...". Wouldn't it be appropriate to add extra text that would > clarify that optional transitive attributes out of context should not > result in session reset? > > P.S.: as far as I understood problematic BGP implementation is fixed in > later software releases, but lack of clarity in BGP specs leaves room > for similar problems in the future > > Cheers, > iLya > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > From ilya@nobulus.com Tue Sep 20 01:37:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94AD21F84A8 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cE-zLEMEWrmG for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (nobulus.com [IPv6:2001:6f8:892:6ff::11:152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A9621F84A7 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE871751A; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:39:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nobulus.com Received: from nobulus.com ([127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (nobulus.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xgTtrjvIYnh8; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hnivarlas1 (unknown [IPv6:2001:6f8:892:6f8:e5e8:3ac8:5411:865b]) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7F93917505; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:39:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <6F5D87D5A529438AA45660713933A2CF@hnivarlas1> From: "iLya" To: , References: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> In-Reply-To: <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:39:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:37:06 -0000 Hi Robert, -------------------------------------------------- > Do you think that the below draft still does not formally address the > problem you are describing ? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 > it goes in the right direction but stops short of saying whether recognised optional transitive attribute (partial or not) properly formed but out of context (e.g. L3VPN-specific attribute in global table) is an error or not. If authors of draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 consider the problem I've described to be within scope of the draft and could address it more explicitly, that would do. Cheers, iLya From jalcaide@cisco.com Tue Sep 20 04:47:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7842921F87D6 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cH-HnOj1XYya for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (hen.cisco.com [64.102.19.198]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA0821F8546 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from chook.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8KBnSpV019280 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clubhouse-4.cisco.com (clubhouse-4.cisco.com [64.100.21.4]) by chook.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8KBnRVW027347; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Juan Alcaide To: iLya In-Reply-To: <6F5D87D5A529438AA45660713933A2CF@hnivarlas1> Message-ID: References: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> <6F5D87D5A529438AA45660713933A2CF@hnivarlas1> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (GSO 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: idr@ietf.org, robert@raszuk.net Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:47:04 -0000 iLya, As I read it: The draft only deals with malformed attributes. So it doesn't apply To deal with optional attributes that are recognized, you have to refer to specific RFC/describing the specific attribute. For some attributes, it may be ok to reset, for others not. RFC4271:6.3 won't tell you what to do about an attribute that it's not defined there. Unfortunately, this part is often missed. 2c, -Juan On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, iLya wrote: > Hi Robert, > > -------------------------------------------------- >> Do you think that the below draft still does not formally address the >> problem you are describing ? >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 >> > > it goes in the right direction but stops short of saying whether recognised > optional transitive attribute (partial or not) properly formed but out of > context (e.g. L3VPN-specific attribute in global table) is an error or not. > If authors of draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 consider the problem I've > described to be within scope of the draft and could address it more > explicitly, that would do. > > Cheers, > iLya > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > From paul@jakma.org Tue Sep 20 05:42:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B116921F86A5 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J17DTfWu7tOg for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E08921F8593 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwf22 with SMTP id 22so467278wwf.13 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.213.29 with SMTP id z29mr827949weo.7.1316522675699; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jamaica.dcs.gla.ac.uk (jamaica.dcs.gla.ac.uk. [130.209.244.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w31sm2139787wbm.12.2011.09.20.05.44.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:44:32 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@jamaica.dcs.gla.ac.uk To: Robert Raszuk In-Reply-To: <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> Message-ID: References: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1> <4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LFD 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:42:11 -0000 On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Hi Ilya, > > Do you think that the below draft still does not formally address the problem > you are describing ? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 Hmm, is it just me or does that not appear in the IDR docs page? regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@jakma.org twitter: @pjakma PGP: 64A2FF6A Fortune: NEWS FLASH!! 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From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Sep 20 06:27:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7F121F8C88; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:27:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6vjFx3DZOXkO; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3024E21F8C76; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:27:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110920132737.25095.32610.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:27:37 -0700 Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-mrai-dep-04.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:27:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of= the IETF. Title : Revisions to the BGP 'Minimum Route Advertisement In= terval' Author(s) : Paul Jakma Filename : draft-ietf-idr-mrai-dep-04.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2011-09-20 This document updates the specification of the BGP MRAI timer in [RFC4271], by deprecating the previously recommended values and by allowing for withdrawals to be exempted from the MRAI. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-mrai-dep-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-mrai-dep-04.txt From ietfc@btconnect.com Tue Sep 27 04:36:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB19121F8753 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DY3sdddbqf36 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.btconnect.com (c2bthomr07.btconnect.com [213.123.20.125]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEBE21F8713 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-163-147-122.range86-163.btcentralplus.com (HELO pc6) ([86.163.147.122]) by c2bthomr07.btconnect.com with SMTP id ERL35325; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:39:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <013801cc7d01$20b6ec40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "t.petch" To: "Paul Jakma" References: <8A40E55A626749F6AEA72EB24BD844EE@hnivarlas1><4E78423D.9090403@raszuk.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:57:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Neutral-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.4E81B5F1.00B0, actions=TAG X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.7.19.51514:17:7.586, ip=86.163.147.122, rules=__HAS_MSGID, __OUTLOOK_MSGID_1, __SANE_MSGID, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, CT_TP_8859_1, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1000_1099, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr07.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020B.4E81B5F4.0086,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:36:56 -0000 Paul I can get it but it does say "Expires: April 1, 2011 " so perhaps I shouldn't:-( Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Jakma" To: "Robert Raszuk" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Idr] optional transitive - recognised but out of context > On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > > Hi Ilya, > > > > Do you think that the below draft still does not formally address the problem > > you are describing ? > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-optional-transitive-03 > > Hmm, is it just me or does that not appear in the IDR docs page? > > regards, > -- > Paul Jakma paul@jakma.org twitter: @pjakma PGP: 64A2FF6A > Fortune: > NEWS FLASH!! > Today the East German pole-vault champion became the West German pole-vault > champion. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr