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Eric,

Thank you for the updated draft.

Version 10 of the draft had:

> 5. Deployment Considerations
>=20
>   Using the AIGP attribute to achieve a desired routing policy will be
>   more effective if each BGP speaker can use it to choose from among
>   multiple routes. Thus is it highly recommended that the procedures of
>   [BESTEXT] and [ADDPATH] be used in conjunction with the AIGP
>   Attribute.

In v11, you replaced [ADDPATH] by [CONN-REST]. Could you please elaborate o=
n the reason? (A priori, I find [ADDPATH] more applicable than [CONN-REST]).

Thank you,
Regards,
Bruno

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>I have revised this draft per the WG Last Call comments:
>
>- Error handling for a malformed AIGP attribute is "discard attribute".
>
>- An AIGP attribute with the transitive bit set is regarded to be malforme=
d,
>  and is to be discarded.
>
>- Stated explicitly that the AIGP value used in bestpath computations is t=
he
>  value of the first AIGP TLV in the attribute.
>
>- The requirement to default "AIGP_SESSION" to "enabled" on IBGP sessions
>  has been demoted from "MUST" to "SHOULD".  This reflect the fact that
>  there is some controversy about it, but no real consensus to default it =
to
>  "disabled".
>
>- Stated that the AIGP value is capped at its maximum (unsigned) value,
>  i.e., it should not wrap around due to addition.
>
>  Also stated that if an AIGP attribute is received and its value is alrea=
dy
>  the maximum, the attribute should be treated as malformed.  (It's not
>  really useful if you can't add to it.)
>
>I would like to thank those of you who commented during the last call, and
>would welcome comments on the changes.
>
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> In v11, you replaced [ADDPATH] by [CONN-REST]. Could you please elaborate
> on the reason?

The internet-draft that is being referenced remains the same:
draft-pmohapat-idr-fast-conn-restore-03.txt, but I changed the reference tag
from "addpath" to "conn-rest" because you said that "addpath" is a
misleading "name" for that draft.


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>> In v11, you replaced [ADDPATH] by [CONN-REST]. Could you please elaborate
>> on the reason?
>
>The internet-draft that is being referenced remains the same:
>draft-pmohapat-idr-fast-conn-restore-03.txt, but I changed the reference t=
ag
>from "addpath" to "conn-rest" because you said that "addpath" is a
>misleading "name" for that draft.

OK, thank you.
The technical question remains:=20
- I understand why ADD PATH would be useful, while it is not cited in the t=
ext.
- I'm not sure to understand why conn-rest is useful.

Thank you,
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	Title           : Assigned BGP extended communities
	Author(s)       : Bruno Decraene
                          Pierre Francois
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-reserved-extended-communities-06.txt
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	Date            : 2013-12-02

Abstract:
   This document defines an IANA registry in order to assign non-
   transitive extended communities from.  These are similar to the
   existing well-known BGP communities defined in RFC 1997 but provide a
   control over inter-AS community advertisement as, per RFC RFC 4360,
   they are not transitive across Autonomous System boundaries.

   For that purpose, this document defines the use of the reserved
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Hi Bruno,

I think the idea is that AIGP attribute when present can be used instead of
EDGE DISCRIMINATOR ATTRIBUTE which [CONN-REST] specifies.

Best,
R.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:07 PM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

> >> In v11, you replaced [ADDPATH] by [CONN-REST]. Could you please
> elaborate
> >> on the reason?
> >
> >The internet-draft that is being referenced remains the same:
> >draft-pmohapat-idr-fast-conn-restore-03.txt, but I changed the reference
> tag
> >from "addpath" to "conn-rest" because you said that "addpath" is a
> >misleading "name" for that draft.
>
> OK, thank you.
> The technical question remains:
> - I understand why ADD PATH would be useful, while it is not cited in the
> text.
> - I'm not sure to understand why conn-rest is useful.
>
> Thank you,
> Bruno
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small">Hi Bruno,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-siz=
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I think the idea is that AIGP attribute when present can be used instead of=
 EDGE DISCRIMINATOR ATTRIBUTE which [CONN-REST] specifies.</div><div class=
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<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,mon=
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nt-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small">R.</div></div><div class=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:07 PM,  <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">&gt;&gt; In v11, you replaced [ADDPATH] by [CONN-REST]. C=
ould you please elaborate<br>
&gt;&gt; on the reason?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;The internet-draft that is being referenced remains the same:<br>
&gt;draft-pmohapat-idr-fast-conn-restore-03.txt, but I changed the referenc=
e tag<br>
&gt;from &quot;addpath&quot; to &quot;conn-rest&quot; because you said that=
 &quot;addpath&quot; is a<br>
&gt;misleading &quot;name&quot; for that draft.<br>
<br>
</div>OK, thank you.<br>
The technical question remains:<br>
- I understand why ADD PATH would be useful, while it is not cited in the t=
ext.<br>
- I&#39;m not sure to understand why conn-rest is useful.<br>
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> - I understand why ADD PATH would be useful, while it is not cited in the
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> - I'm not sure to understand why conn-rest is useful.

For context, here's the paragraph in question:

   Using the AIGP attribute to achieve a desired routing policy will be
   more effective if each BGP speaker can use it to choose from among
   multiple routes. Thus is it highly recommended that the procedures of
   [BESTEXT] and [CONN-REST] be used in conjunction with the AIGP
   Attribute.

The two references talk about conditions under which a path or paths other
than (or in addition to) the bestpath should be announced.  The add-path
draft itself really only provides a mechanism for distributing multiple
paths.  So it seemed like a less informative reference.

However, if the reference to conn-rest raises issues or leaves open
questions, it might be best to replace it with a reference to add-path.  I
certainly don't want to deal in this draft with issues like the one Robert
mentioned, of whether AIGP can be used in place of Edge_Discriminator.

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Eric,

Thanks for the updated version of the draft.
More inline.

>> - I understand why ADD PATH would be useful, while it is not cited in the
>>   text.
>> - I'm not sure to understand why conn-rest is useful.
>
>For context, here's the paragraph in question:
>
>   Using the AIGP attribute to achieve a desired routing policy will be
>   more effective if each BGP speaker can use it to choose from among
>   multiple routes. Thus is it highly recommended that the procedures of
>   [BESTEXT] and [CONN-REST] be used in conjunction with the AIGP
>   Attribute.
>
>The two references talk about conditions under which a path or paths other
>than (or in addition to) the bestpath should be announced.  The add-path
>draft itself really only provides a mechanism for distributing multiple
>paths.  So it seemed like a less informative reference.

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed.
And for clarification, my point was that fast-conn-restore seemed to target=
 more the "fast restoration" application of add path than the "optimal rout=
ing" application. (and to some extent, this may also be true for BESTEXT)
As you wish, you may also cite draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-guidelines and poss=
ibly the add path mode(s) that you would recommend for AIGP. (e.g. AS-wide =
best path).

Best regards,
Bruno

>However, if the reference to conn-rest raises issues or leaves open
>questions, it might be best to replace it with a reference to add-path.  I
>certainly don't want to deal in this draft with issues like the one Robert
>mentioned, of whether AIGP can be used in place of Edge_Discriminator.

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Folks,

Thank you all for detailed review of the document during the last call. I h=
ave revised the draft as per the WG Last call comments:

-  Fixed nits.

-  Fixed the requirements and the problem scope for the draft solution.

-  Added Symbolic names for Route Refresh message subtypes: Beginning of Ro=
ute Refresh (BoRR) and End of Route Refresh (EoRR).

-  Clarified  the text in the "Operations Section".  Revised text for descr=
ibing the processing of a BoRR message and  an EoRR message in the "Operati=
ons section".  Added text to describe upper bound for stale routes.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the=
 IETF.

	Title           : Enhanced Route Refresh Capability for BGP-4
	Author(s)       : Keyur Patel
                          Enke Chen
                          Balaji Venkatachalapathy
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-enhanced-route-refresh-05.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2013-12-09

Abstract:
   In this document we enhance the existing BGP route refresh mechanisms
   to provide for the demarcation of the beginning and the ending of a
   route refresh.  The enhancement can be used to facilitate correction
   of BGP RIB inconsistencies in a non-disruptive manner.


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Hello Keyur,

Looked at the diff with version 4 and it looks good.

Thank you,

Thomas

On 9 Dec 2013, at 20:12, Keyur Patel (keyupate) <keyupate@cisco.com> =
wrote:

> Folks,
>=20
> Thank you all for detailed review of the document during the last =
call. I have revised the draft as per the WG Last call comments:
>=20
> -  Fixed nits.
>=20
> -  Fixed the requirements and the problem scope for the draft =
solution.
>=20
> -  Added Symbolic names for Route Refresh message subtypes: Beginning =
of Route Refresh (BoRR) and End of Route Refresh (EoRR).
>=20
> -  Clarified  the text in the "Operations Section".  Revised text for =
describing the processing of a BoRR message and  an EoRR message in the =
"Operations section".  Added text to describe upper bound for stale =
routes.
>=20
> -  IANA Section is modified to cover the request for Route Refresh =
message sub codes and Route Refresh message error sub codes.
>=20
> Best Regards,
> Keyur
> =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hello Keyur,<div><br></div><div>Looked at the diff with version 4 and it looks good.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div><br><div><div>On 9 Dec 2013, at 20:12, Keyur Patel (keyupate) &lt;<a href="mailto:keyupate@cisco.com">keyupate@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">

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<div>Folks,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thank you all for detailed review of the document during the last call. I have revised the draft as per the WG Last call comments:</div>
<div><br>
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<div>- &nbsp;Fixed nits.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- &nbsp;Fixed the requirements and the problem scope for the draft solution.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>- &nbsp;Added Symbolic names for Route Refresh message subtypes: Beginning of Route Refresh (BoRR) and End of Route Refresh (EoRR).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- &nbsp;Clarified &nbsp;the text in the "Operations Section". &nbsp;Revised text for describing the processing of a BoRR message and &nbsp;an EoRR message in the "Operations section". &nbsp;Added text to describe upper bound for stale routes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- &nbsp;IANA Section is modified to cover the request for Route Refresh message sub codes and Route Refresh message error sub codes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best Regards,</div>
<div>Keyur</div>
</div>

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Thanks Keyur.
Looks good to me.

Bruno

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Keyur Patel (keyupate)
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Folks,

Thank you all for detailed review of the document during the last call. I h=
ave revised the draft as per the WG Last call comments:

-  Fixed nits.

-  Fixed the requirements and the problem scope for the draft solution.

-  Added Symbolic names for Route Refresh message subtypes: Beginning of Ro=
ute Refresh (BoRR) and End of Route Refresh (EoRR).

-  Clarified  the text in the "Operations Section".  Revised text for descr=
ibing the processing of a BoRR message and  an EoRR message in the "Operati=
ons section".  Added text to describe upper bound for stale routes.

-  IANA Section is modified to cover the request for Route Refresh message =
sub codes and Route Refresh message error sub codes.

Best Regards,
Keyur

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On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>=20
> Any comments are welcome.


There are a number of problems I see here.

Performance is not well defined.  Latency is mostly irrelevant to the =
performance of the higher layer functions necessary to execute the =
premise outlined in your draft (cloud computing).

There would be a great deal of BGP "noise" as UPDATES are sent due to =
networks shifting topology.  (eg: take a MPLS-TE network with =
auto-bandwidth enabled and varying demands following localized traffic =
shifts on a global network due to daylight/peak hours).

in an iBGP environment, the two devices at and edge speak directly to =
each other.  No knowledge of the mid-points is available to BGP.  This =
is carried within some other IGP, such as OSPFv3, ISIS.

One can already signal this information through the MED attribute as =
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RFC3345 for an example of a possible resulting outcome.

Most networks are constrained at the edge as well and are not BGP =
speaking, so measurement data doesn't signal within an aggregated NLRI.  =
To properly signal you would need to flood a significant amount of data. =
 This also excludes the return-path problem, as something may change =
outside your view and you need to re-measure the outcomes.

Folks have tried doing this for many years with appliances and devices =
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Hope this input helps.

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> It also doesn't exactly answer why the application can't be dealing with =
the
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http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/network-performance-app-performance/

Best regards,
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Xiaohu,

	How is this different than the AIGP draft? The AIGP draft defines a new at=
tribute which is used to capture the IGP metric, which in a low latency set=
 of networks is latency. I would suggest that you look at that draft as its=
 main purpose in life is to capture latency ( IGP Metric ) in a BGP attribu=
te and propagate between AS domains..=20

Jim Uttaro

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<Skip>

> It also doesn't exactly answer why the application can't be dealing with =
the
> problem.

The following blog and the linked webinar might be helpful for you to under=
stand the motivation for performance-based routing mechanism:
http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/network-performance-app-performance/

Best regards,
Xiaohu

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Hi Jim,

I proposed to Xu exactly the same during last IETF. But his response was
that interface metrics may be subject to modifications to influence traffic
paths (for example using automation tools like Cariden).

His link latency on the other hand would be pretty static .. read more
static then metric of the link which influences SPF.

If that's the case I would tend to agree with him.

Also said this my second suggestion was to extend AIGP with new TLV type 2.

But obviously authors of cost community draft (now also officially
proposing to include cumulative metrics) may have their own preferences ;)

Best,
R.








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> Xiaohu,
>
>         How is this different than the AIGP draft? The AIGP draft defines
> a new attribute which is used to capture the IGP metric, which in a low
> latency set of networks is latency. I would suggest that you look at that
> draft as its main purpose in life is to capture latency ( IGP Metric ) in a
> BGP attribute and propagate between AS domains..
>
> Jim Uttaro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xuxiaohu
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:01 AM
> To: Christopher Morrow
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Idr] fwd: New Version Notification for
> draft-xu-idr-performce-routing-00.txt
>
>
>
> <Skip>
>
> > It also doesn't exactly answer why the application can't be dealing with
> the
> > problem.
>
> The following blog and the linked webinar might be helpful for you to
> understand the motivation for performance-based routing mechanism:
> http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/network-performance-app-performance/
>
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
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ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:=
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I proposed to Xu exactly the same during last IETF. But his response was th=
at interface metrics may be subject to modifications to influence traffic p=
aths (for example using automation tools like Cariden).=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:sma=
ll">
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,mon=
ospace;font-size:small">His link latency on the other hand would be pretty =
static .. read more static then metric of the link which influences SPF.=A0=
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
ourier new,monospace;font-size:small">If that&#39;s the case I would tend t=
o agree with him.=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
ourier new,monospace;font-size:small">Also said this my second suggestion w=
as to extend AIGP with new TLV type 2.=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
ourier new,monospace;font-size:small">But obviously authors of cost communi=
ty draft (now also officially proposing to include cumulative metrics) may =
have their own preferences ;)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM, UTTARO=
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Xiaohu,<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 How is this different than the AIGP draft? The AIGP draft d=
efines a new attribute which is used to capture the IGP metric, which in a =
low latency set of networks is latency. I would suggest that you look at th=
at draft as its main purpose in life is to capture latency ( IGP Metric ) i=
n a BGP attribute and propagate between AS domains..<br>

<br>
Jim Uttaro<br>
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&lt;Skip&gt;<br>
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&gt; It also doesn&#39;t exactly answer why the application can&#39;t be de=
aling with the<br>
&gt; problem.<br>
<br>
The following blog and the linked webinar might be helpful for you to under=
stand the motivation for performance-based routing mechanism:<br>
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erformance/" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/netwo=
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Robert,

                The AIGP draft can be extended to accommodate another TLV, =
and  it already has a configurable threshold to avoid thrashing  etc... At =
the end of the day I do not understand how across a set of disparate AS dom=
ains that are described as public the consistency of network measured laten=
cy is done. I purposefully stayed away from the discussion about AS domains=
 belonging to multiple administrative authorities as it is not possible to =
enforce the needed consistency of metric evaluation..

Jim Uttaro

From: rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Rasz=
uk
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 1:45 PM
To: UTTARO, JAMES
Cc: Xuxiaohu; Christopher Morrow; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] fwd: New Version Notification for draft-xu-idr-performce=
-routing-00.txt

Hi Jim,

I proposed to Xu exactly the same during last IETF. But his response was th=
at interface metrics may be subject to modifications to influence traffic p=
aths (for example using automation tools like Cariden).

His link latency on the other hand would be pretty static .. read more stat=
ic then metric of the link which influences SPF.

If that's the case I would tend to agree with him.

Also said this my second suggestion was to extend AIGP with new TLV type 2.

But obviously authors of cost community draft (now also officially proposin=
g to include cumulative metrics) may have their own preferences ;)

Best,
R.







On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM, UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com<mailto:ju17=
38@att.com>> wrote:
Xiaohu,

        How is this different than the AIGP draft? The AIGP draft defines a=
 new attribute which is used to capture the IGP metric, which in a low late=
ncy set of networks is latency. I would suggest that you look at that draft=
 as its main purpose in life is to capture latency ( IGP Metric ) in a BGP =
attribute and propagate between AS domains..

Jim Uttaro

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<Skip>

> It also doesn't exactly answer why the application can't be dealing with =
the
> problem.

The following blog and the linked webinar might be helpful for you to under=
stand the motivation for performance-based routing mechanism:
http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/network-performance-app-performance/

Best regards,
Xiaohu

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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Robert,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The AIGP =
draft can be extended to accommodate another TLV, and &nbsp;it already has =
a configurable threshold to avoid thrashing &nbsp;etc&#8230; At the end
 of the day I do not understand how across a set of disparate AS domains th=
at are described as public the consistency of network measured latency is d=
one. I purposefully stayed away from the discussion about AS domains belong=
ing to multiple administrative authorities
 as it is not possible to enforce the needed consistency of metric evaluati=
on.. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Jim Uttaro<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> rraszuk@=
gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Raszuk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 13, 2013 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> UTTARO, JAMES<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Xuxiaohu; Christopher Morrow; idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] fwd: New Version Notification for draft-xu-idr-pe=
rformce-routing-00.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
I proposed to Xu exactly the same during last IETF. But his response was th=
at interface metrics may be subject to modifications to influence traffic p=
aths (for example using automation tools like
 Cariden).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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His link latency on the other hand would be pretty static .. read more stat=
ic then metric of the link which influences SPF.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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If that's the case I would tend to agree with him.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
Also said this my second suggestion was to extend AIGP with new TLV type 2.=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
But obviously authors of cost community draft (now also officially proposin=
g to include cumulative metrics) may have their own preferences ;)<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Best,<br>
R.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM, UTTARO, JAMES &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@att.com" target=3D"_blank">ju1738@att.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Xiaohu,<br>
<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; How is this different than the AIGP draft? The =
AIGP draft defines a new attribute which is used to capture the IGP metric,=
 which in a low latency set of networks is latency. I would suggest that yo=
u look at that draft as its main purpose in life is
 to capture latency ( IGP Metric ) in a BGP attribute and propagate between=
 AS domains..<br>
<br>
Jim Uttaro<o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>] On Behalf Of Xuxiaohu<br>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:01 AM<br>
To: Christopher Morrow<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Idr] fwd: New Version Notification for draft-xu-idr-performce=
-routing-00.txt<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
&lt;Skip&gt;<br>
<br>
&gt; It also doesn't exactly answer why the application can't be dealing wi=
th the<br>
&gt; problem.<br>
<br>
The following blog and the linked webinar might be helpful for you to under=
stand the motivation for performance-based routing mechanism:<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/network-performance-app-p=
erformance/" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/netwo=
rk-performance-app-performance/</a><br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Xiaohu<br>
<br>
&lt;skip&gt;<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the=
 IETF.

	Title           : The Accumulated IGP Metric Attribute for BGP
	Author(s)       : Pradosh Mohapatra
                          Rex Fernando
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          James Uttaro
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-aigp-14.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2013-12-16

Abstract:
   Routing protocols that have been designed to run within a single
   administrative domain ("IGPs") generally do so by assigning a metric
   to each link, and then choosing as the installed path between two
   nodes the path for which the total distance (sum of the metric of
   each link along the path) is minimized.  BGP, designed to provide
   routing over a large number of independent administrative domains
   ("autonomous systems"), does not make its path selection decisions
   through the use of a metric.  It is generally recognized that any
   attempt to do so would incur significant scalability problems, as
   well as inter-administration coordination problems.  However, there
   are deployments in which a single administration runs several
   contiguous BGP networks.  In such cases, it can be desirable, within
   that single administrative domain, for BGP to select paths based on a
   metric, just as an IGP would do.  The purpose of this document is to
   provide a specification for doing so.



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This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.  

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/

 

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Support as coauthor.
We plan to implement it after it gets adoption.

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idr people

This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/

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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 24, 2013 1:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr wg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp@tools.ietf.org; Qin Wu<br>
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From: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>
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Support.

Best regards,
Mach

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp-03

idr people

This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/

BGP attribute for North-Bound Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) perf=
ormance Metrics


Two implementations in progress so feedback on this draft is also welcomed =
by the authors.

Sue and John


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</span></b>Susan Hares<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 24, =
2013 1:09 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> idr wg<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp@t=
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Hi,

Support, an important addition to the BGP LS. We are also have been discuss=
ing some additional attributes.

Regards,
Jeff

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:08 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@n=
dzh.com>> wrote:

idr people

This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/

BGP attribute for North-Bound Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) perf=
ormance Metrics


Two implementations in progress so feedback on this draft is also welcomed =
by the authors.

Sue and John

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Regards,
<div>Jeff</div>
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Support.

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Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp-03

idr people

This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/

BGP attribute for North-Bound Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) perf=
ormance Metrics


Two implementations in progress so feedback on this draft is also welcomed =
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<b>Cc:</b> draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp@tools.ietf.org<br>
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Support!

Cheers,
Lucy

From: Lucy yong
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To: Lucy yong
Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp-03

idr people
This is to start a WG adoption call for this draft. It will end on 1/6/13.
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-te-pm-bgp/
BGP attribute for North-Bound Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) perf=
ormance Metrics
Two implementations in progress so feedback on this draft is also welcomed =
by the authors.
Sue and John

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