From nobody Sun Mar 2 01:40:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CDB1A0864; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBjM97ZLBdBb; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260871A0C0B; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 9E8527FC3A1; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:40:19 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, pst@cisco.com, rchandra@cisco.com, tli@skat.usc.edu From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302094019.9E8527FC3A1@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:40:19 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/vHWkmiL4ntwZb9EdEPH_c3SN1_k Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC1997 (3889) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 09:40:26 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC1997, "BGP Communities Attribute". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=1997&eid=3889 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2014-02-12 Held by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 3 Original Text ------------- " This document creates the COMMUNITIES path attribute is an optional transitive attribute of variable length. The attribute consists of a set of four octet values, each of which specify a community. All routes with this attribute belong to the communities listed in the attribute." Corrected Text -------------- " This document creates the COMMUNITIES path attribute, which is an optional transitive attribute of variable length. The attribute consists of a set of four octet values, each of which specify a community. All routes with this attribute belong to the communities listed in the attribute." Notes ----- Typo in first sentence. "which" is missing. -------------------------------------- RFC1997 (no draft string recorded) -------------------------------------- Title : BGP Communities Attribute Publication Date : August 1996 Author(s) : R. Chandra, P. Traina, T. Li Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Mar 2 01:43:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881921A0C0B; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:43:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgZDqCauT_69; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5781A0864; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 3915A7FC3A1; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:43:47 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, pst@cisco.com, rchandra@cisco.com, tli@skat.usc.edu From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302094347.3915A7FC3A1@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 01:43:47 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/yjHalwG1B1rGlWm0qCF2k4DG-eA Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC1997 (3890) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 09:43:51 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC1997, "BGP Communities Attribute". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=1997&eid=3890 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2014-02-13 Held by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 3 Original Text ------------- " The community attribute values ranging from 0x0000000 through 0x0000FFFF and 0xFFFF0000 through 0xFFFFFFFF are hereby reserved." Corrected Text -------------- " The community attribute values ranging from 0x00000000 through 0x0000FFFF and 0xFFFF0000 through 0xFFFFFFFF are hereby reserved." Notes ----- Since community is a 32-bit value, 0x0000000 should be 0x00000000 to remove confusion. Verifier note: It might be useful to tidy this when the text is updated, but the text is correct and there is no possibility of confusion if you read the whole sentence. -------------------------------------- RFC1997 (no draft string recorded) -------------------------------------- Title : BGP Communities Attribute Publication Date : August 1996 Author(s) : R. Chandra, P. Traina, T. Li Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Mar 2 02:03:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7138B1A0C1C; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bv3DR_vxgEb6; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06FD1A08C4; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 514457FC3A1; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:03:46 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, dmm@1-4-5.net, keyupate@cisco.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302100346.514457FC3A1@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:03:46 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Q5DXT08AqkFErVhY8ARxstcwErQ Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Rejected] RFC4274 (3803) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:03:50 -0000 The following errata report has been rejected for RFC4274, "BGP-4 Protocol Analysis". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4274&eid=3803 -------------------------------------- Status: Rejected Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2013-11-14 Rejected by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 2.1 Original Text ------------- BGP enhances the AS_PATH attribute to include sets of autonomous systems as well as lists via the AS_SET attribute. Corrected Text -------------- BGP enhances the AS_PATH attribute to include sets of autonomous systems as well as lists via the AS_SET path segment type. Notes ----- AS_SET is not an attribute. It is a path segment type. --VERIFIER NOTES-- BCP: 172 recommends for Not Using AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET in BGP, and thus this is unlikely to be an issue in the long term. -------------------------------------- RFC4274 (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-analysis-07) -------------------------------------- Title : BGP-4 Protocol Analysis Publication Date : January 2006 Author(s) : D. Meyer, K. Patel Category : INFORMATIONAL Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Mar 2 02:34:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBB11A0C41; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NHPJY5DxzuX3; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2551A0C97; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id C43E87FC3A5; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:34:46 -0800 (PST) To: guban@microsoft.com, tbates@cisco.com, enkechen@cisco.com, rchandra@sonoasystems.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302103446.C43E87FC3A5@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:34:46 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/AfRMdN5-NM53Z5F2w2BOk-kD5MQ Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Rejected] RFC4456 (3898) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:34:51 -0000 The following errata report has been rejected for RFC4456, "BGP Route Reflection: An Alternative to Full Mesh Internal BGP (IBGP)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4456&eid=3898 -------------------------------------- Status: Rejected Type: Technical Reported by: Gunjan Bansal Date Reported: 2014-02-23 Rejected by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 8 Original Text ------------- ORIGINATOR_ID ORIGINATOR_ID is a new optional, non-transitive BGP attribute of Type code 9. This attribute is 4 bytes long and it will be created by an RR in reflecting a route. This attribute will carry the BGP Identifier of the originator of the route in the local AS. A BGP speaker SHOULD NOT create an ORIGINATOR_ID attribute if one already exists. A router that recognizes the ORIGINATOR_ID attribute SHOULD ignore a route received with its BGP Identifier as the ORIGINATOR_ID. CLUSTER_LIST CLUSTER_LIST is a new, optional, non-transitive BGP attribute of Type code 10. It is a sequence of CLUSTER_ID values representing the reflection path that the route has passed. When an RR reflects a route, it MUST prepend the local CLUSTER_ID to the CLUSTER_LIST. If the CLUSTER_LIST is empty, it MUST create a new one. Using this attribute an RR can identify if the routing information has looped back to the same cluster due to misconfiguration. If the local CLUSTER_ID is found in the CLUSTER_LIST, the advertisement received SHOULD be ignored. Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- Although the guideline exists for the "egress" reflected routes (RR should create ORIGINATOR_ID if none exists, prepend its own ClusterId in CLUSTER_LIST), there is no guideline on how the routes received from iBGP peers be treated if "only one" attribute (ORIGINATOR_ID or CLUSTER_LIST) is present. Should such routes be dropped (Considering them as a malformed routes ?) --VERIFIER NOTES-- This is a question that should be addressed to the IDR WG. Any new guideline that results should be considered for publication in an RFC. Technical changes of the type requested are outside the scope of the Errata process. -------------------------------------- RFC4456 (draft-ietf-idr-rfc2796bis-02) -------------------------------------- Title : BGP Route Reflection: An Alternative to Full Mesh Internal BGP (IBGP) Publication Date : April 2006 Author(s) : T. Bates, E. Chen, R. Chandra Category : DRAFT STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Mar 2 02:42:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FB1A0C99; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:42:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zf8EmWPPyaIh; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597FA1A0C82; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id DD5D27FC3A5; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:42:44 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, jgs@juniper.net, rchandra@sonoasystems.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302104244.DD5D27FC3A5@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:42:44 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/r70NpMWzN0X8SEx_gPElSqoV7xI Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Rejected] RFC5492 (3882) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:42:49 -0000 The following errata report has been rejected for RFC5492, "Capabilities Advertisement with BGP-4". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5492&eid=3882 -------------------------------------- Status: Rejected Type: Technical Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2014-02-05 Rejected by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 3 Original Text ------------- " A BGP speaker determines that its peer doesn't support capabilities advertisement if, in response to an OPEN message that carries the Capabilities Optional Parameter, the speaker receives a NOTIFICATION message with the Error Subcode set to Unsupported Optional Parameter. (This is a consequence of the base BGP-4 specification [RFC4271] and not a new requirement.) In this case, the speaker SHOULD attempt to re-establish a BGP connection with the peer without sending to the peer the Capabilities Optional Parameter." Corrected Text -------------- " A BGP speaker determines that its peer doesn't support capabilities advertisement if, in response to an OPEN message that carries the Capabilities Optional Parameter, the speaker receives a NOTIFICATION message with the Error Subcode set to Unsupported Optional Parameter. (This is a consequence of the base BGP-4 specification [RFC4271] and not a new requirement.) The next actions depends on the BGP speaker that received the NOTIFICATION. The speaker may intend to re-establish a BGP connection with the peer. In this case, the speaker SHOULD attempt to re-establish a BGP connection with the peer without sending to the peer the Capabilities Optional Parameter. On the other hand, the speaker may not intend to re-establish peering. For example, a BGP speaker may not intend to re-establish peering if it established peering to exchange IPv6 routes and determines that its peer does not support capabilities advertisement. The decision to re-establish the peering is local to the speaker." Notes ----- Notes: As explained above, it does not always make sense to re-establish peering when the peer does not support capabilities advertisement. Indeed, in a very similar scenario, this RFC itself suggests the proposed behavior. Consider the following text in Section 3: " If a BGP speaker that supports a certain capability determines that its peer doesn't support this capability, the speaker MAY send a NOTIFICATION message to the peer and terminate peering (see Section "Extensions to Error Handling" for more details). For example, a BGP speaker may need to terminate peering if it established peering to exchange IPv6 routes and determines that its peer does not support Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4 [RFC4760]. The Error Subcode in the NOTIFICATION message is then set to Unsupported Capability. The message MUST contain the capability or capabilities that cause the speaker to send the message. The decision to send the message and terminate the peering is local to the speaker. If terminated, such peering SHOULD NOT be re-established automatically." --VERIFIER NOTES-- This is a technical matter that should be discussed in the WG and if the WG decides that clarification is needed it should be addressed in an RFC. The text referenced above is a SHOULD, and thus an implementation decision. The provision of further guidance to the implementer is outside the scope of the errata process. -------------------------------------- RFC5492 (draft-ietf-idr-rfc3392bis-05) -------------------------------------- Title : Capabilities Advertisement with BGP-4 Publication Date : February 2009 Author(s) : J. Scudder, R. Chandra Category : DRAFT STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Mar 3 08:04:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793DA1A01B2; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EAoJokU9JHkE; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65F71A01DA; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:04:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.0.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140303160404.2276.10066.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:04:04 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/fctrSHspn9fi4PWVVCGMU8AH8jg Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:04:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Exchange Route Server Authors : Elisa Jasinska Nick Hilliard Robert Raszuk Niels Bakker Filename : draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2014-03-03 Abstract: This document outlines a specification for multilateral interconnections at Internet exchange points (IXPs). Multilateral interconnection is a method of exchanging routing information between three or more exterior BGP speakers using a single intermediate broker system, referred to as a route server. Route servers are typically used on shared access media networks, such as Internet exchange points (IXPs), to facilitate simplified interconnection between multiple Internet routers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 3 08:32:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA96D1A0C2A; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLAXyDM_C6Va; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E774F1A0CBA; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 68FB17FC3A5; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:27:15 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, tbates@cisco.com, rchandra@sonoasystems.com, dkatz@juniper.com, yakov@juniper.com, From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302102715.68FB17FC3A5@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:27:15 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Fge1NoCiJz0awEZdMPmlLZID0yQ X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:32:50 -0800 Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC4760 (3848) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:27:35 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC4760, "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4760&eid=3848 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2013-12-23 Held by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 3 Original Text ------------- (b) to permit a router to advertise the Network Layer address of the router that should be used as the next hop to the destinations listed in the Network Layer Reachability Information field of the MP_NLRI attribute. Corrected Text -------------- (b) to permit a router to advertise the Network Layer address of the router that should be used as the next hop to the destinations listed in the Network Layer Reachability Information field of the MP_REACH_NLRI attribute. Notes ----- There is no attribute named "MP_NLRI". Whilst this should be corrected in any revision of the text, the correct term is clear from the context. -------------------------------------- RFC4760 (draft-ietf-idr-rfc2858bis-10) -------------------------------------- Title : Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4 Publication Date : January 2007 Author(s) : T. Bates, R. Chandra, D. Katz, Y. Rekhter Category : DRAFT STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Mar 3 08:32:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76831A0C82; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:29:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcPVqre4XGQL; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3431A0C30; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 7657A7FC3A5; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:29:46 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@infosys.com, tbates@cisco.com, rchandra@sonoasystems.com, dkatz@juniper.com, yakov@juniper.com, From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20140302102946.7657A7FC3A5@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 02:29:46 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/_005489CvycllcbsW8T-R1GSda4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:32:50 -0800 Cc: idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC4760 (3849) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:29:51 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC4760, "Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4760&eid=3849 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna DTV Date Reported: 2013-12-25 Held by: Stewart Bryant (IESG) Section: 3 Original Text ------------- The next hop information carried in the MP_REACH_NLRI path attribute defines the Network Layer address of the router that SHOULD be used as the next hop to the destinations listed in the MP_NLRI attribute in the UPDATE message. Corrected Text -------------- The next hop information carried in the MP_REACH_NLRI path attribute defines the Network Layer address of the router that SHOULD be used as the next hop to the destinations listed in the NLRI field of the MP_REACH_NLRI attribute in the UPDATE message. Notes ----- There is no attribute named "MP_NLRI". Whilst this should be looked at in any update of the text, the correct term is clear from the context. -------------------------------------- RFC4760 (draft-ietf-idr-rfc2858bis-10) -------------------------------------- Title : Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4 Publication Date : January 2007 Author(s) : T. Bates, R. Chandra, D. Katz, Y. Rekhter Category : DRAFT STANDARD Source : Inter-Domain Routing Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Mar 3 10:34:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693851A0333 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.945 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gr-QwtYfQjDO for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00241A0334 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.162.184; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" References: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE712027281ED88@MX15A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01cf370f$1c517010$54f45030$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGM4DQFhiczngUjWXFeW5VJ5p+yYwF1S3/IAkyT9uybNk0vgA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/WIBwpj9gq74DWZCkDF3UP3FHNCY Cc: Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de, rv@nic.dtag.dc, "Black, David" Subject: [Idr] FW: Treatment of Network Control traffic marked CS6 at DiffServ Interconnections X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:34:00 -0000 Idr:=20 tswg is providing a revision assignment TCP's treatment of CS 6marked control challenge. If you are a operator using this feature, please be = sure to send comments. The page within the draft is below.=20 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05#page-9 You can get to the authors by responding to email. =20 Susan Hares=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Request----- Hi Sue, hi R=FCdiger, You may find the draft text on treatment of CS 6 marked Network Control traffic at DiffServ Interconnection points at the following page of the DiffSeerv Intercon draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05#page-9 or below. Please share as required and provide feedback from the IDR WG to allow progressing the draft in agreement. Please keep me in CC if you ask for public comments, I didn't subscribe = to the IDR list. Thanks and regards, Ruediger Geib Treatment of Network Control traffic at carrier interconnection = interfaces As specified by RFC4594, section 3.2, Network Control (NC) traffic marked by CS6 is to be expected at interconnection interfaces. This document does not change NC specifications of RFC4594. The latter specification is detailed on domain internal NC traffic and on traffic exchanged between peering points. Further, it recommends not to forward CS6 marked traffic originating from user-controlled end points by the NC class of a provider domain. As a minor clarification to RFC4594, "peering" shouldn't be interpreted in a commercial sense. The NC PHB is applicable also in the case of a purchased network service based on a transit agreement with an upstream provider. RFC4594 recommendations on NC traffic are applicable for IP carrier interconnections in general. Some CS6 traffic exchanged accross carrier interconnections will terminate at the domain ingress node (e.g., if BGP is running between the two routers on opposite ends of the interconnection link). An IP carrier may limit access to the NC PHB for traffic which is recognised as network control traffic relevant to the own domain. Interconnecting carriers should specify treatment of CS6 marked traffic received at a carrier interconnection which is to be forwarded beyond the ingress node. An SLA covering the following cases is recommended, if a carrier wishes to send CS6 marked traffic accross an interconnection link which isn't terminating at the interconnected ingress node: o classification of traffic which is network control traffic for both domains. This traffic should be classified and marked for the NC PHB. o classification of traffic which is network control traffic for the sending domain only. This traffic should be classified for a PHB offering similar properties as the NC class (e.g. AF31 as specified by this document). As an example GSMA IR.34 proposes an Interactive class / AF31 to carry SIP and DIAMETER traffic. While this is service control traffic of high importance to the interconnected Mobile Network Operators, it is certainly no Network Control traffic for a fixed network providing transit. The example may not be perfect. It was picked nevertheless because it refers to an existing standard. o any other CS6 marked traffic should be remarked or dropped. A new version (-05) has been submitted for draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05= .tx t The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. IETF Secretariat. From nobody Mon Mar 3 10:40:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2FF1A029B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:40:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94T1KfGoiwWr for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailuogwhop.emc.com (mailuogwhop.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF201A0341 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildlpprd05.lss.emc.com (maildlpprd05.lss.emc.com [10.253.24.37]) by mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s23IeKuK011096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:40:21 -0500 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com s23IeKuK011096 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emc.com; s=jan2013; t=1393872022; bh=5nl4OkDcj1wrHGkKDzKdNvkP06I=; h=From:To:CC:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=HLuiW+Eopp+Iv+p5z0dscJE8LsSYB++ryFrOrbPwTxO6eiZeC0GDnCzJ/jOiUj63N ekxsJVWddu0yB+Gf4HIo7PlBgihwRGu18wNLmx0qtvz6ZMgNvRzhiNJhfPyENUgTLr jaEikdSMWtnDBMeYO+6PLQ9GuPHHlF0bFNdc1F2U= X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd01.lss.emc.com s23IeKuK011096 Received: from mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com (mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com [10.253.24.20]) by maildlpprd05.lss.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:40:12 -0800 Received: from mxhub28.corp.emc.com (mxhub28.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.184]) by mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s23IeAV4008816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:40:10 -0500 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.223]) by mxhub28.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.184]) with mapi; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:40:10 -0500 From: "Black, David" To: Susan Hares , idr wg Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:40:07 -0500 Thread-Topic: Treatment of Network Control traffic marked CS6 at DiffServ Interconnections Thread-Index: AQGM4DQFhiczngUjWXFeW5VJ5p+yYwF1S3/IAkyT9uybNk0vgIAAAfMw Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71206CF438AD7@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE712027281ED88@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <001c01cf370f$1c517010$54f45030$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <001c01cf370f$1c517010$54f45030$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: DLM_1, public Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/QvkYObEJxQ0Roro0W0hNPDMnGAM Cc: "Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de" , "rv@nic.dtag.dc" , "Black, David" Subject: Re: [Idr] Treatment of Network Control traffic marked CS6 at DiffServ Interconnections X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:40:28 -0000 More explanation of Sue's comment ... This draft is intended to be informational, not standards track, and is applicable to network interconnection only, not to network cores. So, the specific request is to anyone involved with network control (e.g., routing) traffic being exchanged between networks, particularly if it's marked CS6 (Diffserv successor to IP Precedence Level 6) - please comment on the text in this draft, and cc: the tsvwg@ietf.org list. This would not be a global revision to all use of CS6 for network control traffic. The current status of the draft is that it's an individual submission, started based on some related predecessor work in ITU-T SG12. The draft is a candidate for adoption by the tsvwg WG in the near future. Thanks, --David (tsvwg co-chair) > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:34 PM > To: idr wg > Cc: Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de; rv@nic.dtag.dc; Black, David > Subject: FW: Treatment of Network Control traffic marked CS6 at DiffServ > Interconnections >=20 > Idr: >=20 > tswg is providing a revision assignment TCP's treatment of CS 6marked > control challenge. If you are a operator using this feature, please be su= re > to send comments. The page within the draft is below. >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05#page-9 >=20 > You can get to the authors by responding to email. >=20 > Susan Hares >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Request----- >=20 > Hi Sue, hi R=FCdiger, >=20 > You may find the draft text on treatment of CS 6 marked Network Control > traffic at DiffServ Interconnection points at the following page of the > DiffSeerv Intercon draft: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05#page-9 >=20 >=20 > or below. >=20 > Please share as required and provide feedback from the IDR WG to allow > progressing the draft in agreement. >=20 > Please keep me in CC if you ask for public comments, I didn't subscribe t= o > the IDR list. >=20 > Thanks and regards, >=20 > Ruediger Geib >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Treatment of Network Control traffic at carrier interconnection interface= s >=20 >=20 > As specified by RFC4594, section 3.2, Network Control (NC) traffic > marked by CS6 is to be expected at interconnection interfaces. This > document does not change NC specifications of RFC4594. The latter > specification is detailed on domain internal NC traffic and on > traffic exchanged between peering points. Further, it recommends not > to forward CS6 marked traffic originating from user-controlled end > points by the NC class of a provider domain. >=20 > As a minor clarification to RFC4594, "peering" shouldn't be > interpreted in a commercial sense. The NC PHB is applicable also in > the case of a purchased network service based on a transit agreement > with an upstream provider. RFC4594 recommendations on NC traffic are > applicable for IP carrier interconnections in general. >=20 > Some CS6 traffic exchanged accross carrier interconnections will > terminate at the domain ingress node (e.g., if BGP is running between > the two routers on opposite ends of the interconnection link). >=20 > An IP carrier may limit access to the NC PHB for traffic which is > recognised as network control traffic relevant to the own domain. > Interconnecting carriers should specify treatment of CS6 marked > traffic received at a carrier interconnection which is to be > forwarded beyond the ingress node. An SLA covering the following > cases is recommended, if a carrier wishes to send CS6 marked traffic > accross an interconnection link which isn't terminating at the > interconnected ingress node: >=20 > o classification of traffic which is network control traffic for > both domains. This traffic should be classified and marked for > the NC PHB. >=20 > o classification of traffic which is network control traffic for the > sending domain only. This traffic should be classified for a PHB > offering similar properties as the NC class (e.g. AF31 as > specified by this document). As an example GSMA IR.34 proposes an > Interactive class / AF31 to carry SIP and DIAMETER traffic. While > this is service control traffic of high importance to the > interconnected Mobile Network Operators, it is certainly no > Network Control traffic for a fixed network providing transit. > The example may not be perfect. It was picked nevertheless > because it refers to an existing standard. >=20 > o any other CS6 marked traffic should be remarked or dropped. >=20 >=20 > A new version (-05) has been submitted for > draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05= .tx > t >=20 > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon/ >=20 > Diff from previous version: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-geib-tsvwg-diffserv-intercon-05 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > IETF Secretariat. >=20 From nobody Wed Mar 5 06:53:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4755D1A0245 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 06:53:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ccQp50_Oh_9 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 06:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76D81A06CC for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 06:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BEG53441; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:52:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:49:55 +0000 Received: from NKGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.33) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:50:26 +0000 Received: from NKGEML508-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.73]) by nkgeml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:50:21 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [idr] Comments on draft-ray-idr-route-constrain-scope-00 Thread-Index: Ac84gjOUJAR3yvXSRjy6bzRE/Tro8A== Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED6D88@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.98.106] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED6D88nkgeml508mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/k8HRDiwLNUysnnzh3GekO26Apec Subject: [Idr] [idr] Comments on draft-ray-idr-route-constrain-scope-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:53:07 -0000 --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED6D88nkgeml508mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Authors, Maybe following draft has also presented the same problem, please check: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-dong-idr-vpn-route-constrain-02.txt Constrained Route Distribution for BGP based Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) draft-dong-idr-vpn-route-constrain-02.txt Abstract There are some problems with current RT-Constrain mechanism defined in RFC 4684. Firstly, the IPv6 address specific Route Target defined in [RFC5701] cannot be accommodated in current RT membership NLRI. Secondly, the distribution of RT-Constrain information cannot build correct VPN distribution graph when hierarchical route reflection (RR) is used. Thirdly, current RT-Constrain mechanism is used for filtering of all kinds of VPN services and can result in imprecise VPN route distribution when multiple VPN services are deployed in the network. ... Regards, Vincent --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED6D88nkgeml508mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Authors,

Maybe following draft has also = presented the same problem, please check:

 

 

http://tools.ietf.org/id/dr= aft-dong-idr-vpn-route-constrain-02.txt

 

   Constrained Route = Distribution for BGP based Virtual Private Networks

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   (VPNs) 

     &= nbsp;           draf= t-dong-idr-vpn-route-constrain-02.txt

 

 

Abstract

 

   There are some pro= blems with current RT-Constrain mechanism defined

   in RFC 4684. = Firstly, the IPv6 address specific Route Target defined

   in [RFC5701] = cannot be accommodated in current RT membership NLRI.

   Secondly, the= distribution of RT-Constrain information cannot build

   correct VPN d= istribution graph when hierarchical route reflection (RR)

   is  used= .  Thirdly,  current  RT-Constrain  mechanism  is&= nbsp; used  for

   filtering of = all kinds of VPN services and can result in imprecise

   VPN route dis= tribution when multiple VPN services are deployed in the

   network.=

 

 

…

 

Regards,

Vincent

 

 

--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED6D88nkgeml508mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 05:11:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0B01A01F2 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:11:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.845 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K4USJnuTgtT2 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5454A1A0140 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.165.17; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 08:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CF3913.9F7FD2F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac85PYb1lvJsRhCzSTmoUM7ca1tphA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/zJ-KCsrdnhRAuNfpf6JUKxpPTv8 Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:11:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CF3913.9F7FD2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CF3913.9F7FD2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is to start a 2 week adoption = call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

 

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended = Community

         &= nbsp;     = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

 

 

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-= 01.txt

 

 

Within any discussions, it would be = good to mention

 

Support to = be WG draft: yes/no

 

 

Sue Hares and John = Scudder

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CF3913.9F7FD2F0-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 05:26:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9811A0282 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YgjTqiWxSP93 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1031A019D for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [31.133.183.65] (dhcp-b741.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.183.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s26DPieK013071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Mar 2014 08:25:46 -0500 References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FBBAE1B4-E9CD-47AF-8209-9AB1C3B63507 Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B651) From: Jared Mauch Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 13:25:45 +0000 To: Susan Hares X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]); Thu, 06 Mar 2014 08:25:46 -0500 (EST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/m_Tyimq1SwRe0GcIyg_ghtwp1zk Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:25:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-FBBAE1B4-E9CD-47AF-8209-9AB1C3B63507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there subtypes for ipv6 as well? Should this be done at the same time? Jared Mauch > On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:11 PM, "Susan Hares" wrote: >=20 > This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dr= aft > =20 > Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community > draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 > =20 > =20 > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt > =20 > =20 > Within any discussions, it would be good to mention > =20 > Support to be WG draft: yes/no > =20 > =20 > Sue Hares and John Scudder > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-FBBAE1B4-E9CD-47AF-8209-9AB1C3B63507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are there subtypes for ipv6 as well? S= hould this be done at the same time?

Jared Mauch

On Mar= 6, 2014, at 1:11 PM, "Susan Hares" <s= hares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is to star= t a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

 

Clarification= of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community

          = ;     draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

 

 

http= ://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt=

 

 

Within= any discussions, it would be good to mention

&nbs= p;

Support to be WG draft: yes/no

&n= bsp;

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

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Does anyone have an = implementation to test interop with when adding it to ExaBGP before = answering last call = ?

Thomas

On 6 Mar 2014, = at 13:11, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is to start a 2 week adoption = call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft
 
Clarification of = the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community
           &= nbsp;   = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01
 
 
 
 
Within any discussions, it would = be good to mention
 
Support to be WG draft: yes/no
 
 
Sue = Hares and John = Scudder
_____________________________________= __________
Idr mailing list
Idr@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr

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This is to = start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft: =

 

BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation = Report

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Among your = comments please include:

Support = adoption: yes/no

 

Sue Hares = and John Scudder

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CF3916.576711B0-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 05:31:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580C71A02F9 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:31:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fKeUuWYjXsDO for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias244.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3306E1A02EB for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfeda07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.200]) by omfeda14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 720A32AC4DB; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:31:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCH41.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.30]) by omfeda07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4801615805E; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:31:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCB2F.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.54]) by PUEXCH41.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.30]) with mapi; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:31:44 +0100 From: To: Susan Hares , idr wg Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:31:43 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl Thread-Index: Ac85QAG68aB4cCp5S8yniYk1E2VnIAAAGWOA Message-ID: <10680_1394112704_531878C0_10680_1590_1_EEE55384044474429A926C625D0FCC810C37AF5931@PUEXCB2F.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EEE55384044474429A926C625D0FCC810C37AF5931PUEXCB2Fnante_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2013.11.19.63615 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KZHMMT2L2bHe-XIbeB9f7dmJoP0 Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:31:54 -0000 --_000_EEE55384044474429A926C625D0FCC810C37AF5931PUEXCB2Fnante_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support De : Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Susan Hares Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 mars 2014 13:31 =C0 : idr wg Objet : [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft: BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 Among your comments please include: Support adoption: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_EEE55384044474429A926C625D0FCC810C37AF5931PUEXCB2Fnante_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support

 

 

De : Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de= Susan Hares
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 mars 2014 13:31
=C0&nb= sp;: idr wg
Objet : [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredl= er-idr-ls-distribution-impl

 

This is= to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft:

 

BGP Link-State Information Distrib= ution Implementation Report

=

draft-gredler-id= r-ls-distribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

&= nbsp;

Among your co= mments please include:

Support adoption: yes/no

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder 

_=
___________________________________________________________________________=
_____________________________________________

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Le 06 Mar 2014 =E0 13:31, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> a =E9crit :

This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20= ) for the following draft:

 

BGP Link-State Information Distribution Impleme= ntation Report

draft-gredler-idr-= ls-distribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-= idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

 

Among your comments please include:

Support adoption: yes/no

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

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Le 06 Mar 2014 =E0 13:27, "Thomas Mangin" <thomas.mangin@exa-networks.co.uk> a= =E9crit :

Hello,

Does anyone have an implementation to test interop with when adding it= to ExaBGP before answering last call ?

Thomas

On 6 Mar 2014, at 13:11, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is to start a 2 week adopt= ion call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft
 
Clarification = of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community
  &n= bsp;            draf= t-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01
 
 
 
 
Within any discussions, it woul= d be good to mention
 
Support to be WG draft: yes/no<= o:p>
 
 
Sue Hares and John Scudder=
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--_000_EA880988C82049DE8BCBAE8B4FFAB6E8ciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 05:37:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5191A0307 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:37:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmo_GxoJVeqp for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9626D1A0311 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7f2f8e000002cdc-ca-53187a22d786 Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 83.5B.11484.22A78135; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:37:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0387.000; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 08:37:37 -0500 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl Thread-Index: Ac85QAG68aB4cCp5S8yniYk1E2VnIP//0CiA Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 13:37:36 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF3DBA194D644jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPuK5SlUSwwfSlVhavbj9jsvjz5hWL A5PHkiU/mTxmv77OGsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVxY8p65oIpuhUrTsk2ME7Q6GLk4JAQMJGY NiGgi5ETyBSTuHBvPVsXIxeHkMARRol/j44wgiSEBJYxSmyfrwdiswkYSPz/dpwFxBYRsJBY 2juTCcQWFvCR+HDqKyNE3Ffi58K5bBC2kcTzax1g9SwCKhJLf0wCi/MKmEt8mb2dEeQGTiC7 a5kmSJgR6Ibvp9aAjWQWEJe49WQ+E8RtAhJL9pxnhrBFJV4+/scKYosK6Em0HTvDDhFXlNjX P50dojdG4vXNHqhVghInZz5hmcAoMgvJ2FlIymYhKYOI60gs2P2JDcLWlli28DUzjH3mwGOo XmuJ9wd2oahZwMixipGjtDi1LDfdyHATIzCejkmwOe5gXPDJ8hCjNAeLkjjvl7fOQUIC6Ykl qdmpqQWpRfFFpTmpxYcYmTg4pRoYayzmr9u84h3DoatNmcmpyUtWfttu1/FqlcybDZ+1TAqV t8tJS5gF3lEP/2nu8UHmp3KEQ+Z0c7+qpG1pMw3qKkQWX1+wf/0FgXnmzU9eXz4jsvM05/We YLFzzRJqh+wvhOs7VbywYJWuXnxb6KKDyhyN/Q+vqCcmFRrVvspq+vX0zOH7z96fVWIpzkg0 1GIuKk4EALkOrvZ1AgAA Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/eEnfjN3dhklJJJmyZD5vjKbGz30 Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:37:45 -0000 --_000_CF3DBA194D644jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: Susan Hares > Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:30 AM To: idr wg > Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft: BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 Among your comments please include: Support adoption: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_CF3DBA194D644jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5A59A3A40781B24AAD9533239094FF76@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:30 = AM
To: idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of the d= raft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl

This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20= ) for the following draft:

 

BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementa= tion Report

draft-gredler-idr-ls-= distribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-= idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

 

Among your comments please include:

Support adoption: yes/no

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

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Support.

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Idr [mailto:idr-bounc= es@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Susan Hares
=B7=A2=CB=CD= =CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C2<= span lang=3D"EN-US">6=C8=D5 21:31
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr wg
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl

 

This is to start a 2 week Adopt= ion call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft:

 

BGP Link-State Information Distr= ibution Implementation Report=

dra= ft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

 

Among your comments please incl= ude:

Support adoption: yes/no <= /o:p>

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA8450612Enkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 05:39:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5A91A0332 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-Q2bs2hhRWk for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6DD1A032A for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D8261C8FEA; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:38:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cET7Z_quqbTZ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp3638.cisco.com (173-38-208-169.cisco.com [173.38.208.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pierre.francois) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 636341C8FE9; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:38:18 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2179E1C2-2458-4670-A1DB-89462DC5B2AE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Pierre Francois In-Reply-To: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:39:07 +0100 Message-Id: References: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/mUSx0hhov7rfMiXGVuvu-u6UQrE Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:39:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2179E1C2-2458-4670-A1DB-89462DC5B2AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello,=20 Support.=20 Pierre. On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the = following draft: > =20 > BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report > draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 > draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 > =20 > Among your comments please include: > Support adoption: yes/no > =20 > Sue Hares and John Scudder > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail=_2179E1C2-2458-4670-A1DB-89462DC5B2AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to = 3/20) for the following draft:
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= Support.

= Thanks for th= e work on improving interop/clarity of IDR specs.<= /p>

=  

 
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Support

 

 

A minor question, I notice <=
/span>'Protocol-ID' field defined in [draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-04] can be:

      Protocol-ID =3D 0: Unkn=
own, The source of NLRI information could not


      be determined


      Protocol-ID =3D 1: IS-I=
S Level 1, The NLRI information has been


      sourced by IS-IS Level =
1


      Protocol-ID =3D 2: IS-I=
S Level 2, The NLRI information has been


      sourced by IS-IS Level =
2


      Protocol-ID =3D 3: OSPF=
, The NLRI information has been sourced by


      OSPF<=
/p>

      Protocol-ID =3D 4: Dire=
ct, The NLRI information has been sourced


      from local interface st=
ate


      Protocol-ID =3D 5: Stat=
ic, The NLRI information has been sourced by


      static configuration


 

Could [BGP Link-State Information Dist=
ribution Implementation Report]
 provide the support information ?


 


 


Cheers,


Vincent


 


 






=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Idr [ma=
ilto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]
=B4=FA=
=B1=ED Susan Hares

=B7=A2=
=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C26=C8=D5
 21:31

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr wg

=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl






 


This is to start a 2 week Adopt=
ion call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft:



 


BGP Link-State Information Distr=
ibution Implementation Report=



dra=
ft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00


draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00


 


Among your comments please incl=
ude:


Support adoption: yes/no <=
/o:p>


 


Sue Hares and John Scudder
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[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PATH Limit capability= : 2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability +------------------------------------------------+ | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Flags(1 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Receive bound (2 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ [Vincent] : If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called 'Send upp= er bound' to signal the upper bounds specified by the sender. +------------------------------------------------+ | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Flags(1 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Receive bound (2 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ | Send upper bound (2 octet) | +------------------------------------------------+ Benefit: Receiver can know sender's capability, and convenient for tuning t= he receive bound on demand. Regards, Vincent --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9nkgeml508mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Authors,

I have a comment, see inline= begins with identifier [Vincent].

…

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-lim= it-00] defines the ADD-PATH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)      &nbs= p;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &n= bsp;            = ;          |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         = ;            &n= bsp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

 

[Vincent] :

If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field = called ‘Send upper bound’ to signal

the upper bounds specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)      &nbs= p;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &n= bsp;            = ;          |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         = ;            &n= bsp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet)        &n= bsp;            = ;|

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

 

Benefit: Receiver can know send= er’s capability, and convenient for tuning the receive bound on deman= d.

 

 

Regards,

Vincent

--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9nkgeml508mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Mar 6 07:26:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301471A00AE for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sIlYzuCzHh86 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD48E1A00E2 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:26:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=696; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394119577; x=1395329177; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qaolg+wjKFCoRd5JFk16KfphJ6ZDlHkv7w/uGqRlmOU=; b=HTqZTyx4dnnui1ZXCx0X/MvRwTqAty+hZpFbCKGgnPRVUwkaZLD8Xdyg RgFnMIekFbn1qVfmn1IxMrj/hpqTn/zmksZN+ucHXveZbJ4oWPZu6mQI2 XR+Oaju4By2xKscoaj3JIJC28jQ/w3bBCFEiBRwtP8BmA+WUh3jnXgNki o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,601,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="107761073" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2014 15:26:16 +0000 Received: from [10.141.2.69] (dhcp-10-141-2-69.cisco.com [10.141.2.69]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s26FQDEv018093; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:26:14 GMT Message-ID: <53189395.9000206@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:26:13 +0900 From: Shishio Tsuchiya User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shares@ndzh.com, idr@ietf.org References: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/1iWuJGZgTCu5j8QHCdpUQvlPEis Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 15:26:26 -0000 Support! This would be useful work for operators. Regards, -Shishio (2014/03/06 22:30), Susan Hares wrote: > This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft: > > BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report > > draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 > > draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 > > Among your comments please include: > > Support adoption: yes/no > > Sue Hares and John Scudder > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > From nobody Thu Mar 6 09:18:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FE81A01D6 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 09:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3iLo0zAnvx1Y for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 09:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B9C1A0238 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 09:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id F30E01CA372; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:17:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSKEMzLzTGtZ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:17:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp3638.cisco.com (173-38-208-169.cisco.com [173.38.208.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pierre.francois) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 24A291CA371; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:17:34 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1ECEDD74-58F3-487E-BEB2-13043DB6F182" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Pierre Francois In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:18:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1F6A5319-E8F8-49D7-8726-BFD249150DC0@imdea.org> References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Zhuangshunwan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Hc6r1LSSTlRKd243y7R2-rYS3As Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:18:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1ECEDD74-58F3-487E-BEB2-13043DB6F182 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Dear Vincent,=20 Thank you for your comment.=20 What do you mean by "tuning on demand"? To me, the limit on what the operator wants to receive was not depending = on=20 what the sender is capable of sending. =20 Do you see a case where this would be different? Regards,=20 Pierre. On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan = wrote: > Dear Authors, > I have a comment, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent]. >=20 > =85 > [draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PATH Limit = capability: > 2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Flags(1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > =20 > [Vincent] : > If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called = =91Send upper bound=92 to signal > the upper bounds specified by the sender. > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Flags(1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Send upper bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > =20 > Benefit: Receiver can know sender=92s capability, and convenient for = tuning the receive bound on demand. > =20 > =20 > Regards, >=20 > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail=_1ECEDD74-58F3-487E-BEB2-13043DB6F182 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
To me, the limit on what the operator wants to = receive was not depending on 
what the sender is capable = of sending.  

Do you see a case where = this would be = different?

Regards, 

Pierre.


On Mar 6, 2014, at = 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> = wrote:

Dear = Authors,

I have a comment, see inline = begins with identifier [Vincent].

=85
[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] = defines the ADD-PATH Limit capability:
2. The ADD-PATH Limit = capability
| Address Family = Identifier (2 octets) =           |
| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) = |
| Flags(1 octet) =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;       |
| Receive bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;          |
 
[Vincent]= :
If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can = add a field called =91Send upper bound=92 to = signal
the upper bounds specified by the = sender.
| Address Family = Identifier (2 octets) =           |
| Subsequent Address = Family Identifier (1 octet) |
| Flags(1 octet) =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;       |
| Receive bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;          |
| Send upper bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;       |
 
Benefit: = Receiver can know sender=92s capability, and convenient for tuning the = receive bound on demand.
 
 

Regards,

Vincent
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Idr mailing list
Idr@ietf.org
Thread-Topic: Comparison between performance-based BGP routing and AIGP Thread-Index: AQHPOV4jTNMUMXc960uEZTNRXp9TWQ== Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:18:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08260098@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.90.76] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/aY_L8KprqjF6B6PTntWj_ZTCh8g Subject: [Idr] Comparison between performance-based BGP routing and AIGP X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:20:39 -0000 Hi all, Since somebody has raised the question about the difference between the abo= ve approaches, I will try to make a brief comparison between them in this e= mail. Sameness:=20 1) Both approaches are intended to be deployed within ASes belonging to a s= ingle administrative domain. 2) Both approaches require the same change to the tie-breaking procedures o= f the BGP route selection decision (phase 2, [RFC4271]). Difference:=20 1) The design goal of the former is to allow the performance routing paradi= gm to coexist with the vanilla routing paradig. In this way, service provid= ers could thus provide low-latency routing services while still offering th= e vanilla routing services depending on customers=92 requirements; 2) The former allows the BGP speaker to use the Capabilities Optional Param= eter [RFC5492] to inform its peers about the performance route computation = capability. 3) The former recommends to use the latency metric carried in Unidirectiona= l Link Delay Sub-TLV [draft-ietf-ospf-te-metric-extensions] [draft-previdi-= isis-te-metric-extensions], rather than the IGP metric to calculate the cum= ulative link latency associated with the TE LSP between BGP peers. Best regards, Xiaohu= From nobody Thu Mar 6 10:06:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A42B1A0088 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXI7hW5nO6hI for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 10:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7181A00BC for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 10:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BBU89728; 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E.g.

 

Sender    = ;             &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Receiver

RTA--------------------------= ----------RTB

 

RTA can send M paths, RTB wan= ts the limit number to N,

 

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure = out the appropriate number for N.

 

 = ;

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Pierre = Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org]
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

 

 

Dear Vincent, <= /span>

 

Thank you for your comment.&nbs= p;

 

What do you mean by "tunin= g on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the op= erator wants to receive was not depending on 

what the sender is capable of s= ending.  

 

Do you see a case where this wo= uld be different?

 

Regards, 

 

Pierre.

 

 



Dear Authors,=

I have a comment, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].=

=A1=AD

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] def= ines the ADD-PATH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)    &n= bsp;      |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Flags(1 octet)        =             &nb= sp;            = |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Receive bound (2 octet)      &nb= sp;            =      |

&= #43;------------------------------------------------+

 

[Vincent] :

I= f limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend= upper bound=A1=AF to signal<= /span>

t= he upper bounds specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)    &n= bsp;      |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Flags(1 octet)        =             &nb= sp;            = |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Receive bound (2 octet)      &nb= sp;            =      |

+------------------------------------------------+<= /span>

| Send upper bound (2 octet)      =             &nb= sp;  |

&= #43;------------------------------------------------+

 

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs = capability, and convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.

 

 

Regards,

Vincent

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--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED768Fnkgeml508mbxchi_-- From nobody Fri Mar 7 03:16:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7B81A01F5 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 03:16:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S_Sk4YmfCd36 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 03:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x230.google.com (mail-qa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5851A0276 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m5so3745636qaj.21 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:16:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=l27BD0xBK0XkEb1UQWmJ88wRHQy/M498H9DAiGe3TPg=; b=qauA4n1my24dxo7ivBkqKmb2J3FmkUemO7BzVa+QziRxc9xV/F3pPAueP2ol3POjkD DVSbBxXz0YWFOHFnjfROdIH+6ZRckfJyZz0e3uVSijUbQ02xlCo1tHXCuK3NtHxr9VSS iJNA7QNs+eJrnzNsFtZE0vJ4bREnosIBkh21dsyvZ9dnQB9EiRWuPOb7AT35RKtqAEko mNEcGFJE1XDz6u/GNLZjAl6+48pj0hlzeu+MtrUXztLzraFVC5VvJiJ2ipzNLdh03wW6 O7pvp9tDFJ/6aJVtNGtlNqe+T+f1M1AeLNSTECg9EWw4Zk75qDVHGv+EMp+fJ7SRQJal UxkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.81.74 with SMTP id e68mr1336037qgd.99.1394191000657; Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:16:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.251.3 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 03:16:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED768F@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> <1F6A5319-E8F8-49D7-8726-BFD249150DC0@imdea.org> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED768F@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 12:16:40 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: B2pYvCHFCkhNvsSNJpcOP1QWGdA Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Zhuangshunwan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c11d1257ff6604f40263ba Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/CeLkXLJvJ3iCx1pO1xF6cUZwUow Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:16:49 -0000 --001a11c11d1257ff6604f40263ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's impossible to know upper bound of RTA. Add-paths has option all which means you are always able (by protocol spec) to send all paths. And how many paths you have is all dynamic .. depends how many you get from your peers. Peers may send one path or more .. in RS case it will be 1 path normally. But it does not make sense IMHO to communicate to RTB how many peers I have configured and in up state on RTA. When peers go down we would need to communicate again which as said already can not be done by capabilities anyway. Even with ORF I think this is unnecessary overhead. Best, R. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Zhuangshunwan wr= ote: > E.g. > > > > Sender Receiver > > RTA------------------------------------RTB > > > > RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit number to N, > > > > If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the > appropriate number for N. > > > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@im= dea.org] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2014=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5= 1:18 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Zhuangshunwan > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* idr@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-li= mit-00 > > > > > > > > Dear Vincent, > > > > Thank you for your comment. > > > > What do you mean by "tuning on demand"? > > To me, the limit on what the operator wants to receive was not depending > on > > what the sender is capable of sending. > > > > Do you see a case where this would be different? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre. > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan > wrote: > > > > Dear Authors, > > I have a comment, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent]. > > =E2=80=A6 > > [draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PATH Limit > capability: > > 2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Flags(1 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > > > [Vincent] : > > If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =E2=80= =98Send > upper bound=E2=80=99 to signal > > the upper bounds specified by the sender. > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Flags(1 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > | Send upper bound (2 octet) | > > +------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Benefit: Receiver can know sender=E2=80=99s capability, and convenient fo= r tuning > the receive bound on demand. > > > > > > Regards, > > Vincent > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --001a11c11d1257ff6604f40263ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's impossible to know upper bound of R= TA.=C2=A0

Add-paths has option all which means you are always= able (by protocol spec) to send all paths.=C2=A0

And how many paths you have is all dynamic .. depen= ds how many you get from your peers.=C2=A0

Peers may send one path or more .. in RS case it wi= ll be 1 path normally.=C2=A0

But it does not make sense IMHO to communicate to R= TB how many peers I have configured and in up state on RTA. When peers go d= own we would need to communicate again which as said already can not be don= e by capabilities anyway. Even with ORF I think this is unnecessary overhea= d.

Best,
R.




=
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Zhuangshunwan <= span dir=3D"ltr"><zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:

E.g.

=C2=A0

Sender=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Receiver

RTA--------------------------= ----------RTB

=C2=A0

RTA can send M paths, RTB wan= ts the limit number to N,

=C2=A0

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure = out the appropriate number for N.

=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org]
= =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 1:18
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: idr@ietf.org<= br> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Dear Vincent,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thank you for your comment.=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

What do you mean by "tunin= g on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the op= erator wants to receive was not depending on=C2=A0

what the sender is capable of s= ending.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Do you see a case where this wo= uld be different?

=C2=A0

Regards,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Pierre.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhu= angshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:



Dear Au= thors,

I have a c= omment, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].

=E2=80=A6

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] def= ines the ADD-PATH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|

+= ------------------------------------------------+

=C2=A0

[Vincent] :

I= f limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =E2=80=98S= end upper bound=E2=80=99 to signal

t= he upper bounds specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|

+= ------------------------------------------------+

=C2=A0

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=E2=80= =99s capability, and convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED7260@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Originating-IP: [193.110.55.19] X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/_gYqUIAhAw55bW--QWghvFRjIt0 Cc: idr wg , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:06:12 -0000 nice catch ! - we'll add a table of all supported protocol-IDs - thanks - /hannes On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:22:36PM +0000, Zhuangshunwan wrote: | A minor question, I notice 'Protocol-ID' field defined in [draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-04] can be: | | Protocol-ID = 0: Unknown, The source of NLRI information could not | | be determined | | Protocol-ID = 1: IS-IS Level 1, The NLRI information has been | | sourced by IS-IS Level 1 | | Protocol-ID = 2: IS-IS Level 2, The NLRI information has been | | sourced by IS-IS Level 2 | | Protocol-ID = 3: OSPF, The NLRI information has been sourced by | | OSPF | | Protocol-ID = 4: Direct, The NLRI information has been sourced | | from local interface state | | Protocol-ID = 5: Static, The NLRI information has been sourced by | | static configuration | | | | Could [BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report] | provide the support information ? From nobody Mon Mar 10 09:12:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C21A049A for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2bd9iy3Sozwd for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CAB1A0449 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:12:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2878; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394467959; x=1395677559; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:reply-to:date:message-id; bh=9JZ9VFcB7uK2XSDJBUv4qz3m0hbmgJtxB++hKKyHSQQ=; b=Tns32oT89yhjiaZpiabM3xusrMFlObLV5f51GxZRqOP2bNIiOasKz5AU PQik+fopG/z/PZqHDDwrq8NQ/NaqqJr03UjHZBT1p0uH5VpifRVG0R/rh 8DeuREBqbp1P8+abse1NgOA6IKwnDdrVBiIh5P3MJZqy2/DEoVtJ2EsOM o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,863,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="306210657" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2014 16:12:39 +0000 Received: from erosen-linux.cisco.com (erosen-linux.cisco.com [161.44.71.43]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2AGCbj4009981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:12:37 GMT Received: from erosen-linux (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by erosen-linux.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s2AGCZ2e002876; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:12:35 -0400 From: Eric Rosen To: Xuxiaohu In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:18:35 +0000. <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08260098@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2875.1394467955@erosen-linux> Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/xmWZWpcN45687hSpQjMx2W2rbII Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , erosen@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] Comparison between performance-based BGP routing and AIGP X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:12:46 -0000 Xiaohu> 1) The design goal of the former [draft-xu-idr-performce-routing] is Xiaohu> to allow the performance routing paradigm to coexist with the Xiaohu> vanilla routing paradigm. In this way, service providers could thus Xiaohu> provide low-latency routing services while still offering the Xiaohu> vanilla routing services depending on customers' requirements; This may suggest that you want to use a different SAFI for the performance routes than for the vanilla routes. However, it doesn't imply that you can't achieve your goal by attaching the AIGP attribute to the routes of that SAFI. Xiaohu> 2) The former allows the BGP speaker to use the Capabilities Xiaohu> Optional Parameter [RFC5492] to inform its peers about the Xiaohu> performance route computation capability. You get that automatically if you use a different AFI/SAFI, independent of whether you use the AIGP attribute to carry your metric. Xiaohu> 3) The former recommends to use the latency metric carried in Xiaohu> Unidirectional Link Delay Sub-TLV, rather than the IGP metric That suggests the use of a new TLV of the AIGP attribute. I suspect that one of the intentions of using a new attribute is to make it illegal for that attribute to be carried by Updates of any SAFI other than the "performance route" SAFI. But I think that would require the attribute to be "optional non-transitive" rather than (as the draft states) "mandatory well-known". In any event, you need to specify the error-handling behavior. It seems like you want "discard attribute" if it appears on a vanilla route, but "treat as withdraw" if a malformed attribute appears on a performance route. Note that once you invent a new SAFI, you have to deal with such issues as: - does the next hop have to be of the same AFI as the NLRI? - if the best route to the next hop is itself a BGP route (recursive route resolution), and if there is both a performance route and a vanilla route to the next hop, which do you use? You should also deal with the question of what you want to do in the case where a "vanilla" route has a next hop, the route to the next hop is a BGP route, and you have both a vanilla route and a performance route to the next hop. In fact, even if the route to the next hop is not a BGP route, there might be both a "vanilla" IGP route to the next hop and a traffic engineered IGP route to the next hop. Does that need to be taken into account? There's also the issue of whether the performance routes are comparable to the vanilla routes, and if so, which would be preferred under what conditions. (Failure to think this out in advance for SAFI 1 vs. SAFI 4, e.g., has caused a number of problems.) Without seeing a few detailed use cases, it's difficult to see whether the draft is really a good solution to a real problem. From nobody Mon Mar 10 17:48:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC4D1A0515 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WIajDWb7BU5G for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F85A1A050E for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id rl12so7782755iec.8 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oUzlVq9TxKnZhYICV9kJAKrnGv4EtghZwxHXLiqEDgs=; b=mgPWVx/9xC+HHiuNk5ustnhuE0yZJa7qAyFzTpuZZOcVCQd0wwUf8jDxXbLddIiHju i/WAjNB2ibSm4zIwbX0OOQBgqxEyem9y7d0FCpxq3TcLJhUNiaj+OVn4gnJt4BFeBcZ/ ioDy34bjF7AoJsc27ViH3izI/6C9DSmqpfO/0jULTLw2xxYkVv+YtRHEdZphKyZr9MCD r6UGMPgNTEAWdxxrjoW3Sta1X5hehXh5XYvadQeKYAbfY4DsGLXHHBeTzCkYDohJTQlb 3xxVCL2Krg8COl1s131fRZYwciw7GIOydrO4tBEinqbxu5ZDJ5G5HjQ5xPWz4qBm/O0N 42zA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.182.170 with SMTP id ef10mr21314469igc.9.1394498906022; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.242.198 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2875.1394467955@erosen-linux> References: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08260098@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <2875.1394467955@erosen-linux> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:48:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o3fNL9BXeOXrfY5dLalOkbpFouw Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "erosen@cisco.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934072feeef8d04f44a1370 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/AlI44EvYmdqXIqihsu_RjDpEa40 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , Xuxiaohu Subject: Re: [Idr] Comparison between performance-based BGP routing and AIGP X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:48:33 -0000 --14dae934072feeef8d04f44a1370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Eric, Xu, How about using ls-bgp SAFI with TE metrics extension ? As I have spoke about it offline with Hannes it seems to at least be a good candidate here to consider. While this can become non congruent this should not be an issue as BGP be design is not congruent to the actual data path anyway ... Best, R. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Eric Rosen wrote: > > > Xiaohu> 1) The design goal of the former [draft-xu-idr-performce-routing] > is > Xiaohu> to allow the performance routing paradigm to coexist with the > Xiaohu> vanilla routing paradigm. In this way, service providers could thus > Xiaohu> provide low-latency routing services while still offering the > Xiaohu> vanilla routing services depending on customers' requirements; > > This may suggest that you want to use a different SAFI for the performance > routes than for the vanilla routes. However, it doesn't imply that you > can't achieve your goal by attaching the AIGP attribute to the routes of > that SAFI. > > Xiaohu> 2) The former allows the BGP speaker to use the Capabilities > Xiaohu> Optional Parameter [RFC5492] to inform its peers about the > Xiaohu> performance route computation capability. > > You get that automatically if you use a different AFI/SAFI, independent of > whether you use the AIGP attribute to carry your metric. > > Xiaohu> 3) The former recommends to use the latency metric carried in > Xiaohu> Unidirectional Link Delay Sub-TLV, rather than the IGP metric > > That suggests the use of a new TLV of the AIGP attribute. > > I suspect that one of the intentions of using a new attribute is to make it > illegal for that attribute to be carried by Updates of any SAFI other than > the "performance route" SAFI. But I think that would require the attribute > to be "optional non-transitive" rather than (as the draft states) > "mandatory > well-known". In any event, you need to specify the error-handling > behavior. It seems like you want "discard attribute" if it appears on a > vanilla route, but "treat as withdraw" if a malformed attribute appears on > a > performance route. > > Note that once you invent a new SAFI, you have to deal with such issues as: > > - does the next hop have to be of the same AFI as the NLRI? > > - if the best route to the next hop is itself a BGP route (recursive route > resolution), and if there is both a performance route and a vanilla route > to the next hop, which do you use? > > You should also deal with the question of what you want to do in the case > where a "vanilla" route has a next hop, the route to the next hop is a BGP > route, and you have both a vanilla route and a performance route to the > next > hop. > > In fact, even if the route to the next hop is not a BGP route, there might > be both a "vanilla" IGP route to the next hop and a traffic engineered IGP > route to the next hop. Does that need to be taken into account? > > There's also the issue of whether the performance routes are comparable to > the vanilla routes, and if so, which would be preferred under what > conditions. (Failure to think this out in advance for SAFI 1 vs. SAFI 4, > e.g., has caused a number of problems.) > > Without seeing a few detailed use cases, it's difficult to see whether the > draft is really a good solution to a real problem. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --14dae934072feeef8d04f44a1370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric, Xu,

How about using ls-bgp SAFI with TE metrics extension ?
=
As I have spoke about it offline with Hannes it seems to at least be a good= candidate here to consider.=A0

While this can become non congruent this should not be an issue as BGP be d= esign is not congruent to the actual data path anyway ...

Best,
R.


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Eric Ro= sen <erosen@cisco.com> wrote:


Xiaohu> 1) The design goal of the former [draft-xu-idr-performce-routing= ] is
Xiaohu> to allow the performance routing paradigm to coexist with the Xiaohu> vanilla routing paradigm. In this way, service providers could t= hus
Xiaohu> provide low-latency routing services while still offering the Xiaohu> vanilla routing services depending on customers' requirement= s;

This may suggest that you want to use a different SAFI for the performance<= br> routes than for the vanilla routes. =A0However, it doesn't imply that y= ou
can't achieve your goal by attaching the AIGP attribute to the routes o= f
that SAFI.

Xiaohu> 2) The former allows the BGP speaker to use the Capabilities
Xiaohu> Optional Parameter [RFC5492] to inform its peers about the
Xiaohu> performance route computation capability.

You get that automatically if you use a different AFI/SAFI, independent of<= br> whether you use the AIGP attribute to carry your metric.

Xiaohu> 3) The former recommends to use the latency metric carried in Xiaohu> Unidirectional Link Delay Sub-TLV, rather than the IGP metric
That suggests the use of a new TLV of the AIGP attribute.

I suspect that one of the intentions of using a new attribute is to make it=
illegal for that attribute to be carried by Updates of any SAFI other than<= br> the "performance route" SAFI. =A0But I think that would require t= he attribute
to be "optional non-transitive" rather than (as the draft states)= "mandatory
well-known". =A0In any event, you need to specify the error-handling behavior. =A0It seems like you want "discard attribute" if it app= ears on a
vanilla route, but "treat as withdraw" if a malformed attribute a= ppears on a
performance route.

Note that once you invent a new SAFI, you have to deal with such issues as:=

- does the next hop have to be of the same AFI as the NLRI?

- if the best route to the next hop is itself a BGP route (recursive route<= br> =A0 resolution), and if there is both a performance route and a vanilla rou= te
=A0 to the next hop, which do you use?

You should also deal with the question of what you want to do in the case where a "vanilla" route has a next hop, the route to the next hop= is a BGP
route, and you have both a vanilla route and a performance route to the nex= t
hop.

In fact, even if the route to the next hop is not a BGP route, there might<= br> be both a "vanilla" IGP route to the next hop and a traffic engin= eered IGP
route to the next hop. =A0Does that need to be taken into account?

There's also the issue of whether the performance routes are comparable= to
the vanilla routes, and if so, which would be preferred under what
conditions. =A0(Failure to think this out in advance for SAFI 1 vs. SAFI 4,=
e.g., has caused a number of problems.)

Without seeing a few detailed use cases, it's difficult to see whether = the
draft is really a good solution to a real problem.







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Hi Robert,=

 = ;

Thanks a l= ot for your proposal and we co-authors will consider it seriously.

 = ;

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

 = ;

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: rraszuk= @gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Robert Raszuk
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C211=C8=D5 8:48
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: erosen@cisco.com
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Xuxiaohu; idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comparison between performance-based BGP routing and AIGP<= /o:p>

 

Eric, Xu,

 

How about using ls-bgp SAFI with TE metric= s extension ?

 

As I have spoke about it offline with Hann= es it seems to at least be a good candidate here to consider. 

 

While this can become non congruent this s= hould not be an issue as BGP be design is not congruent to the actual data = path anyway ...

 

Best,

R.

=  

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM= , Eric Rosen <eros= en@cisco.com> wrote:



Xiaohu> 1) The design goal of the former [draft-xu-idr-performce-routing= ] is
Xiaohu> to allow the performance routing paradigm to coexist with the Xiaohu> vanilla routing paradigm. In this way, service providers could t= hus
Xiaohu> provide low-latency routing services while still offering the Xiaohu> vanilla routing services depending on customers' requirements;
This may suggest that you want to use a different SAFI for the performance<= br> routes than for the vanilla routes.  However, it doesn't imply that yo= u
can't achieve your goal by attaching the AIGP attribute to the routes of that SAFI.

Xiaohu> 2) The former allows the BGP speaker to use the Capabilities
Xiaohu> Optional Parameter [RFC5492] to inform its peers about the
Xiaohu> performance route computation capability.

You get that automatically if you use a different AFI/SAFI, independent of<= br> whether you use the AIGP attribute to carry your metric.

Xiaohu> 3) The former recommends to use the latency metric carried in Xiaohu> Unidirectional Link Delay Sub-TLV, rather than the IGP metric
That suggests the use of a new TLV of the AIGP attribute.

I suspect that one of the intentions of using a new attribute is to make it=
illegal for that attribute to be carried by Updates of any SAFI other than<= br> the "performance route" SAFI.  But I think that would requir= e the attribute
to be "optional non-transitive" rather than (as the draft states)= "mandatory
well-known".  In any event, you need to specify the error-handlin= g
behavior.  It seems like you want "discard attribute" if it = appears on a
vanilla route, but "treat as withdraw" if a malformed attribute a= ppears on a
performance route.

Note that once you invent a new SAFI, you have to deal with such issues as:=

- does the next hop have to be of the same AFI as the NLRI?

- if the best route to the next hop is itself a BGP route (recursive route<= br>   resolution), and if there is both a performance route and a vanilla = route
  to the next hop, which do you use?

You should also deal with the question of what you want to do in the case where a "vanilla" route has a next hop, the route to the next hop= is a BGP
route, and you have both a vanilla route and a performance route to the nex= t
hop.

In fact, even if the route to the next hop is not a BGP route, there might<= br> be both a "vanilla" IGP route to the next hop and a traffic engin= eered IGP
route to the next hop.  Does that need to be taken into account?

There's also the issue of whether the performance routes are comparable to<= br> the vanilla routes, and if so, which would be preferred under what
conditions.  (Failure to think this out in advance for SAFI 1 vs. SAFI= 4,
e.g., has caused a number of problems.)

Without seeing a few detailed use cases, it's difficult to see whether the<= br> draft is really a good solution to a real problem.








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--_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08260A3CNKGEML512MBSchi_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 08:09:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F04D1A0499 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zRTqvrjv_zk2 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C831A0479 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1516; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394550587; x=1395760187; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GLYfHAgTzQufqiwNv6TEHcxNcpAo1TOdFaDpPPlYDMY=; b=DcGUD2PrE1KoTgLfLHI20iNtNuZ2hpM9Io4kwqh5hKdcTsul1lUY5/Z0 Q7PV2Zq/9s9Am28cxBf6v+3Aq2J+5z5+gLsNQn0LrRz2bXDIrR0YI+mpE 2b+SmQ7aHim38PV3PZDBBmUnT31KOjDMwzYbppxGHLfMffi8NvUqNxgRJ Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAFAFcmH1OtJXG//2dsb2JhbABagwY7V8E2gR4WdIIlAQEBBAEBATc0CwwEAgEIDgMEAQELFAUEBycLFAkIAgQBDQUIDIdlDdEjEwSOKzEHBoMegRQBA6pygW+BPoIr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,631,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="309510778" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2014 15:09:46 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com [173.37.183.83]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2BF9k3d013115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:46 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([169.254.3.113]) by xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([173.37.183.83]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:09:46 -0500 From: "Saikat Ray (sairay)" To: Jeffrey Haas , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] Comments on presentation on Constrained route target constrain with multiple address familiies Thread-Index: AQHPOUViKtEQKIpuU0iMhgJt3+/9FJrb/3Ew Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:46 +0000 Message-ID: <8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B427EB@xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com> References: <20140306140659.GA1282@pfrc> In-Reply-To: <20140306140659.GA1282@pfrc> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.123.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/4Fg3KFJaoHNvynA9-IDqYd0dFXQ Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on presentation on Constrained route target constrain with multiple address familiies X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:55 -0000 Thanks Jeff for your comments. To clarify: 1. The draft describes two problems. (a) Unused route advertisement and retention,=20 (b) Need for route-refresh on some configuration changes I am assuming you support working on both of these problems. 2. You support the AFI-SAFI extended community proposed in the draft. 3. You do not support the changes of "identical path check" described in th= e presentation. Instead you prefer to use an extended community, similar to= MAC mobility extended community, to signal a change in the path. Do you envision any case where the "refresh me" paths need to propagate in = the AS (or across ASes)? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:07 AM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Comments on presentation on Constrained route target constra= in with multiple address familiies Saikat (and other authors), I support the problem statement. 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Support.

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 AM
To: idr wg
Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redire= ct-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

 

= This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft

=  

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extende= d Community

       &nbs= p;       draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-= bis-01

=  

=  

= http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-0= 1.txt

=  

=  

= Within any discussions, it would be good to mention

=  

= Support to be WG draft: yes/no

=  

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= Sue Hares and John Scudder

--_000_8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B42DDCxmbrcdx13ciscoc_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 15:08:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7581A0823 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:07:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.746 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.746 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nm187TOI_wvt for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com [209.65.160.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA71A0811 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.1-0) with ESMTP id 8398f135.2b4530646940.4400012.00-2440.12350158.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:07:52 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 531f893806ca0ed7-e45160ca325df3eae2fa4d52f72eefe19c2fe223 Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.1-0) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id d298f135.0.4399950.00-1916.12349971.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:07:42 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 531f892e76ad3d88-1c1fde2e71c3ec157911af7232050d0c60f30c8e Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2BM7eBS009500; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:41 -0400 Received: from mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.241]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2BM7Uuq009307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:32 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.ITServices.sbc.com (MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.itservices.sbc.com [130.9.129.152]) by mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:07:13 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9I.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.56]) by MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.9.129.152]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:12 -0400 From: "UTTARO, JAMES" To: "Saikat Ray (sairay)" , Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Thread-Index: Ac85PYb1lvJsRhCzSTmoUM7ca1tphAENwEqAAABtZjA= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> <8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B42DDC@xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B42DDC@xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.70.63.192] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06352EAFMISOUT7MSGUSR9I_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=N4Oe4RBB c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=TYxvBo8XPwgA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=aDVDlPeB-ksA:10 a=BLc] X-AnalysisOut: [eEmwcHowA:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUA] X-AnalysisOut: [AAA:8 a=wNx2W8ac4Wh_GOaWc3cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815d] X-AnalysisOut: [zVvQA:10 a=T-wbNae4TufkhziK:21 a=9gzo1UP6MHWQ4dtz:21 a=yMh] X-AnalysisOut: [MjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=aVk8eBPeO2K8Wik4WtEA:9 a=gK] X-AnalysisOut: [O2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4Au] X-AnalysisOut: [Cg-hUA:10 a=uLRkusTKdu3sgYNp:21] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/VKnH30iCFVz9w8uZeKu_voo8aLA Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:08:00 -0000 --_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06352EAFMISOUT7MSGUSR9I_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saikat Ray (sairay) Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:56 PM To: Susan Hares; idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-= rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Support. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 AM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-b= is-01 (3/6 to 3/20) This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06352EAFMISOUT7MSGUSR9I_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saikat Ray (sairay)
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:56 PM
To: Susan Hares; idr wg
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-re= direct-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

 

Support.

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 AM
To: idr wg
Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redire= ct-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

 

= This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft

=  

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extende= d Community

       &nbs= p;       draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-= bis-01

=  

=  

= http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-0= 1.txt

=  

=  

= Within any discussions, it would be good to mention

=  

= Support to be WG draft: yes/no

=  

=  

= Sue Hares and John Scudder

--_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06352EAFMISOUT7MSGUSR9I_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 15:09:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B191A0800 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7uMnq064eZ_w for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136E91A0837 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2600:1003:b11a:69b6:5c35:2a85:40f8:18de] ([IPv6:2600:1003:b11a:69b6:5c35:2a85:40f8:18de]) (authenticated bits=0) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2BM9Zhj032579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:09:38 -0400 References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-040765E5-B022-4CF1-8122-4D194A896AFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B651) From: Jon Mitchell Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:09:34 -0400 To: Susan Hares X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/et6R7qNNt1UVv5vKJ59Ee2Oh2Fc Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:09:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-040765E5-B022-4CF1-8122-4D194A896AFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support -Jon > On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Susan Hares" wrote: >=20 > This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dr= aft > =20 > Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community > draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 > =20 > =20 > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt > =20 > =20 > Within any discussions, it would be good to mention > =20 > Support to be WG draft: yes/no > =20 > =20 > Sue Hares and John Scudder > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-040765E5-B022-4CF1-8122-4D194A896AFE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support

-Jon

On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is to star= t a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

 

Clarification= of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community

          = ;     draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

 

 

http= ://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt=

 

 

Within= any discussions, it would be good to mention

&nbs= p;

Support to be WG draft: yes/no

&n= bsp;

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

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<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-040765E5-B022-4CF1-8122-4D194A896AFE-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 15:16:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C707A1A0848 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EhDqx7MJ0qiJ for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60E71A0877 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-b7f858e0000031c7-58-531f88ea5ed3 Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B4.E3.12743.AE88F135; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 23:06:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0387.000; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:16:28 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Thread-Index: AQHPPXaVlvJsRhCzSTmoUM7ca1tphJrcQhGA Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:16:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF44D9624DE41jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPuO6rDvlggzM7rC1e3X7GZPHnzSsW ByaPJUt+MnnMfn2dNYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugStjyqHzzAVNBhUr589ha2DcrdXFyMkhIWAi MfPKHHYIW0ziwr31bF2MXBxCAkcYJb50LWcBSQgJLGeUmLMmAsRmEzCQ+P/tOFhcREBR4sjV dWDNzAKSEi/+fGQEsYUFUiQWz5vHDlGTKrF8cjMrhG0ksXjrUbA4i4CqxJuj05hAbF4Bc4kb u3eyQezKl/jesgLM5hRwlrixcAIziM0IdNz3U2uYIHaJS9x6Mp8J4mgBiSV7zjND2KISLx// A9slKqAnce/RXBaIuKLEvv7pUHfGSFztncEKsVdQ4uTMJywTGMVmIRk7C0nZLCRlEHEdiQW7 P7FB2NoSyxa+Zoaxzxx4DNVrLXHs7X9WZDULGDlWMXKUFqeW5aYbGWxiBEbhMQk23R2Me15a HmKU5mBREuf98tY5SEggPbEkNTs1tSC1KL6oNCe1+BAjEwenVANj8PlDa+4bety846d8/1Wr 34qpU2YvMP0Vb1nrH6EfvKJ6Z7vujBjm34Vr79wS3/Q2uWXBlPDkqa4nFhlzv83d2XTrgrPe ljcWPPosYlvLDSWif1wwWf5+etm+xFV2TqeY3679M3llx4aj2j/+zVp6K5Zn82bP1oR/a67w vw1wFsybmazNlv/skxJLcUaioRZzUXEiAJGtvUiQAgAA Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/nqgV_sQ7X19DWBHaztpQODe6kDc Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:16:39 -0000 --_000_CF44D9624DE41jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Cheers, Jeff On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Susan Hares" > wrote: This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --_000_CF44D9624DE41jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <46A1B78B649E4448887D0755888E5BE6@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff


On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is= to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft=

&n= bsp;

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Com= munity

        &nb= sp;      draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-0= 1

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Within = any discussions, it would be good to mention

&n= bsp;

Support= to be WG draft: yes/no

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Sue Har= es and John Scudder

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Vincent:

 

Are you trying to efficientl= y distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of paths among the neighbors? E.g., if R= TB can only accept 10 paths and has 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is known to RTB that RTA can only send 3 paths, then it can request 7 p= aths from RTZ instead of requesting 5 paths from both. If this is what you = are thinking of, then

 

(i)  &nb= sp;            =   RTA wouldn=A1=AFt re= ally know in advance how many paths it will have that would be eligible to = be sent to RTB. The number of paths may be different from one route to another. Even the number of neighbors of RTA isn=A1=AFt always an= upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs neighbor might be using add-path.=

(ii)  &n= bsp;            The capabilities are= usually sent in parallel (i.e. RTB and RTA would independently format thei= r capabilities and send them to each other as soon as the tcp connection comes up). Having a dependency here is not desirable.

(iii)  &= nbsp;          Do you have any conc= rete use case?

 

Thanks.

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 3:02 AM
To: Pierre Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

E.g.

 

Sender      &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;Receiver

RTA------------------------------------RTB

 

RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit nu= mber to N,

 

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the appropriate number for = N.

 

 <= /p>

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on draf= t-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

 

 

Dear Vincent, 

 

Thank you for your comment. 

 

What do you mean by "tuning on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the operator wants to recei= ve was not depending on 

what the sender is capable of sending.  

 

Do you see a case where this would be different?

 

Regards, 

 

Pierre.

 

 

On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrot= e:

 

Dear Authors,<= o:p>

I have a comme= nt, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].

=A1=AD

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PA= TH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

[Vincent] :

If limit-capable= bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend upper bound=A1= =AF to signal

the upper bounds= specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet)        &nb= sp;            = |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs capability, and= convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.

 

 

Regards,<= /o:p>

Vincent

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OMG, this is too hard.

How about you just send a= ll the paths and the receiver drops what it doesn=A1=AFt like after perform= ing path selection.

Then when you withdraw a = path, you have to repeat the non-withdrawn ones again.

If the receiver cares abo= ut redundancy and fast convergence for a net, it will keep more paths, else= just one.

This behavior would need = a capability.

Not cheap, but then addpa= th isn=A1=AFt cheap.

 <= /p>

Cheers,=

Jakob.<= /p>

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saikat Ray (sairay)
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan; Pierre Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

Vincent:

 

Are you trying to efficientl= y distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of paths among the neighbors? E.g., if R= TB can only accept 10 paths and has 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is known to RTB that RTA can only send 3 paths, then it can request 7 p= aths from RTZ instead of requesting 5 paths from both. If this is what you = are thinking of, then

 

(i)  &nb= sp;            =    RTA wouldn=A1=AFt re= ally know in advance how many paths it will have that would be eligible to = be sent to RTB. The number of paths may be different from one route to another. Even the number of neighbors of RTA isn=A1=AFt always an= upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs neighbor might be using add-path.=

(ii)  &n= bsp;            = ; The capabilities are= usually sent in parallel (i.e. RTB and RTA would independently format thei= r capabilities and send them to each other as soon as the tcp connection comes up). Having a dependency here is not desirable.

(iii)  &= nbsp;            Do you have any conc= rete use case?

 

Thanks.

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 3:02 AM
To: Pierre Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

E.g.

 

Sender   &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   Receiver

RTA-----------------------= -------------RTB

 

RTA can send M paths, RTB = wants the limit number to N,

 

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the appro= priate number for N.

 

 <= /p>

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on draf= t-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

 

 

Dear Vincent, 

 

Thank you for your comment. 

 

What do you mean by "tuning on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the operator wants to recei= ve was not depending on 

what the sender is capable of sending.  

 

Do you see a case where this would be different?

 

Regards, 

 

Pierre.

 

 

On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrot= e:

 

Dear Authors,<= o:p>

I have a comme= nt, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].

=A1=AD

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PA= TH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

[Vincent] :

If limit-capable= bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend upper bound=A1= =AF to signal

the upper bounds= specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet)        &nb= sp;            = |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs capability, and= convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.

 

 

Regards,<= /o:p>

Vincent

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--_000_2F3EBB88EC3A454AAB08915FBF0B8C7E02FCD997eusaamb109erics_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 18:07:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335061A08B6 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qQJO__sCvnht for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F871A08B3 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BEL95941; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:06:35 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.40) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:24 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.94]) by SZXEMA408-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:07:20 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Thread-Index: Ac85PYb1lvJsRhCzSTmoUM7ca1tphAEUdknA Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.97.72] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D989574SZXEMA510MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Lys83YMwMC5Mhfn7AUJfXrM2Tcc Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:36 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D989574SZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/Support. Best regards, Mach From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:11 PM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-b= is-01 (3/6 to 3/20) This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D989574SZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Yes/Support.

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= Best regards,

= Mach

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 20= 14 9:11 PM
To: idr wg
Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption= call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

 

This = is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

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Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Comm= unity

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http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt=

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Withi= n any discussions, it would be good to mention

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Suppo= rt to be WG draft: yes/no

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Sue H= ares and John Scudder

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D989574SZXEMA510MBXchi_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 18:08:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73AC1A08B6 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:08:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8qtpdjWzqVE for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950F31A08AF for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BBZ08075; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:01 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.33) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:51 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.94]) by SZXEMA401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:07:47 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl Thread-Index: Ac85QAG68aB4cCp5S8yniYk1E2VnIAET3G+Q Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:07:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <003501cf3940$403c7d70$c0b57850$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.97.72] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D98957BSZXEMA510MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/HlCkFnNt8g6Mfho_lwlyZraB7mE Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:08:46 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D98957BSZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support. Best regards, Mach From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:31 PM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft: BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 Among your comments please include: Support adoption: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D98957BSZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Yes/support.

=  

= Best regards,

= Mach

=  

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 20= 14 9:31 PM
To: idr wg
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption o= f the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl

 

This is to start a 2 week Adoption call (3/6 = to 3/20) for the following draft:

 

BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementatio= n Report

draft-gredler-idr-ls-di= stribution-impl-00

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

 

Among your comments please include:

Support adoption: yes/no

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE25D98957BSZXEMA510MBXchi_-- From nobody Tue Mar 11 20:10:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC641A08D3 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6LKqLplVUSD for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (nobulus.com [IPv6:2001:6f8:892:6ff::11:152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E7C1A08B4 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobulus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324C41783F; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:10:41 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nobulus.com Received: from nobulus.com ([127.0.0.1]) by nobulus.com (nobulus.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yHdm+MUbJ2Ba; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:10:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (cpc16-nmal17-2-0-cust409.croy.cable.virginm.net [80.195.189.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nobulus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07F2D17770; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:10:36 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A83E83E8-1B13-4662-AC95-5E5E6EAE84B7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Ilya Varlashkin In-Reply-To: <2F3EBB88EC3A454AAB08915FBF0B8C7E02FCD997@eusaamb109.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 03:10:35 +0000 Message-Id: References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED72F9@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> <1F6A5319-E8F8-49D7-8726-BFD249150DC0@imdea.org> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB985855ED768F@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> <8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B42E69@xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com> <2F3EBB88EC3A454AAB08915FBF0B8C7E02FCD997@eusaamb109.ericsson.se> To: Jakob Heitz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/QPHk2yJosv_ZvjfBYNEuwxsUVmE Cc: IETF IDR Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 03:10:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A83E83E8-1B13-4662-AC95-5E5E6EAE84B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb18030 Jakob, as an operator I wouldn=A1=AFt want to send several dozen full tables = between fully meshed ibgp speakers. For bigger operators that number = could probably go much higher. Kind regards, iLya On 11 Mar 2014, at 23:19, Jakob Heitz wrote: > OMG, this is too hard. > How about you just send all the paths and the receiver drops what it = doesn=A1=AFt like after performing path selection. > Then when you withdraw a path, you have to repeat the non-withdrawn = ones again. > If the receiver cares about redundancy and fast convergence for a net, = it will keep more paths, else just one. > This behavior would need a capability. > Not cheap, but then addpath isn=A1=AFt cheap. > =20 > Cheers, > Jakob. > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saikat Ray = (sairay) > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:19 PM > To: Zhuangshunwan; Pierre Francois > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 > =20 > Vincent: > =20 > Are you trying to efficiently distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of = paths among the neighbors? E.g., if RTB can only accept 10 paths and has = 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is known to RTB that RTA can only send = 3 paths, then it can request 7 paths from RTZ instead of requesting 5 = paths from both. If this is what you are thinking of, then > =20 > (i) RTA wouldn=A1=AFt really know in advance how many = paths it will have that would be eligible to be sent to RTB. The number = of paths may be different from one route to another. Even the number of = neighbors of RTA isn=A1=AFt always an upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs = neighbor might be using add-path. > (ii) The capabilities are usually sent in parallel = (i.e. RTB and RTA would independently format their capabilities and send = them to each other as soon as the tcp connection comes up). Having a = dependency here is not desirable. > (iii) Do you have any concrete use case? > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 3:02 AM > To: Pierre Francois > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 > =20 > E.g. > =20 > Sender Receiver > RTA------------------------------------RTB > =20 > RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit number to N, > =20 > If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out = the appropriate number for N. > =20 > =20 > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org]=20= > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan > =B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on = draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Dear Vincent,=20 > =20 > Thank you for your comment.=20 > =20 > What do you mean by "tuning on demand"? > To me, the limit on what the operator wants to receive was not = depending on=20 > what the sender is capable of sending. =20 > =20 > Do you see a case where this would be different? > =20 > Regards,=20 > =20 > Pierre. > =20 > =20 > On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan = wrote: > =20 >=20 > Dear Authors, > I have a comment, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent]. >=20 > =A1=AD > [draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PATH Limit = capability: > 2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Flags(1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > =20 > [Vincent] : > If limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called = =A1=AESend upper bound=A1=AF to signal > the upper bounds specified by the sender. > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Address Family Identifier (2 octets) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Flags(1 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Receive bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > | Send upper bound (2 octet) | > +------------------------------------------------+ > =20 > Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs capability, and convenient = for tuning the receive bound on demand. > =20 > =20 > Regards, >=20 > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail=_A83E83E8-1B13-4662-AC95-5E5E6EAE84B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=gb18030 Jakob,

as an operator I wouldn=A1=AF= t want to send several dozen full tables between fully meshed ibgp = speakers. For bigger operators that number could probably go much = higher.

Kind = regards,
iLya

On 11 Mar 2014, at = 23:19, Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com> = wrote:

OMG, this is too hard.
How about you just send = all the paths and the receiver drops what it doesn=A1=AFt like after = performing path selection.
Then when you withdraw a path, you = have to repeat the non-withdrawn ones again.
If the receiver cares = about redundancy and fast convergence for a net, it will keep more = paths, else just one.
This behavior would need a = capability.
Not cheap, but then addpath isn=A1=AFt = cheap.
 
Cheers,
Jakob.
 
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saikat Ray = (sairay)
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 = 3:19 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan; Pierre = Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on = draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00
 
Vincent:
 
Are you trying to efficiently = distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of paths among the neighbors? E.g., if = RTB can only accept 10 paths and has 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is = known to RTB that RTA can only send 3 paths, then it can request 7 paths = from RTZ instead of requesting 5 paths from both. If this is what you = are thinking of, then
 
(i)           = ;       RTA wouldn=A1=AFt really know in advance how many paths it will = have that would be eligible to be sent to RTB. The number of paths may = be different from one route to another. Even the number of neighbors of = RTA isn=A1=AFt always an upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs neighbor = might be using add-path.
(ii)           = ;     The capabilities are usually sent in parallel (i.e. RTB and RTA = would independently format their capabilities and send them to each = other as soon as the tcp connection comes up). Having a dependency here = is not desirable.
(iii)           = ;    Do you have any concrete use case?
 
Thanks.
 
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan
Sent:=  Friday, March 07, = 2014 3:02 AM
To: Pierre = Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on = draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00
 
E.g.
 
Sender          &= nbsp; =             &n= bsp;        Receiver
RTA------------------------------------RTB
<= div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: = 'Times New Roman', serif;"> 
RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit number to = N,
 
If RTB knows that the Send upper = bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the appropriate number for = N.
 
 
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org] 
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on = draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00
 
 
 
Dear = Vincent, 
 
Thank = you for your comment. 
 
What do you mean by "tuning on = demand"?
To = me, the limit on what the operator wants to receive was not depending = on 
what = the sender is capable of = sending.  
 
Do = you see a case where this would be = different?
 
Regards, 
 
Pierre.
 
 
On = Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> = wrote:

 

Dear = Authors,

I have a comment, see inline begins with identifier = [Vincent].

=A1=AD
[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the = ADD-PATH Limit capability:
2. The = ADD-PATH Limit capability
+------------------------------------------------+
| Address Family = Identifier (2 octets) =           |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Subsequent Address = Family Identifier (1 octet) |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Flags(1 octet) =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;       |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Receive bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;          |
+------------------------------------------------+
 
[Vincent] = :
If = limit-capable bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend = upper bound=A1=AF to signal
the upper bounds specified by the = sender.
+------------------------------------------------+
| Address Family = Identifier (2 octets) =           |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Subsequent Address = Family Identifier (1 octet) |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Flags(1 octet) =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;       |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Receive bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;          |
+------------------------------------------------+
| Send upper bound (2 = octet) =             &n= bsp;       |
+------------------------------------------------+
 
Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AF= s capability, and convenient for tuning the receive bound on = demand.
 
 

Regards,

Vincent
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Then don=A1=AFt. The sender is free to sen= d as few or as many as it wants.

My suggestion frees the sender from constr= aints imposed by the receiver, not the operator.

 

Thanks,

Jakob.

 

From: Ilya V= arlashkin [mailto:ilya@nobulus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:11 PM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: Saikat Ray (sairay); Zhuangshunwan; Pierre Francois; IETF IDR Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

Jakob,

 

as an operator I wouldn=A1=AFt want to send several = dozen full tables between fully meshed ibgp speakers. For bigger operators = that number could probably go much higher.

 

Kind regards,

iLya

 

On 11 Mar 2014, at 23:19, Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com> wrote:



OMG, this is too hard.

How about you just send a= ll the paths and the receiver drops what it doesn=A1=AFt like after perform= ing path selection.

Then when you withdraw a = path, you have to repeat the non-withdrawn ones again.

If the receiver cares abo= ut redundancy and fast convergence for a net, it will keep more paths, else= just one.

This behavior would need = a capability.

Not cheap, but then addpa= th isn=A1=AFt cheap.

 <= /p>

Cheers,=

Jakob.<= /p>

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]<= span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> On Behalf Of Saikat Ray (sairay)
Sent: Tuesday, Mar= ch 11, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan;= Pierre Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr]= Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

Vincent:

 

Are you trying to efficientl= y distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of paths among the neighbors? E.g., if R= TB can only accept 10 paths and has 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is known to RTB that RTA can only send 3 paths, then it can request 7 p= aths from RTZ instead of requesting 5 paths from both. If this is what you = are thinking of, then

 

= (i)   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; RTA wouldn=A1=AFt really know in advance how many paths it will have that woul= d be eligible to be sent to RTB. The number of paths may be different from = one route to another. Even the number of neighbors of RTA isn=A1=AFt always= an upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs neighbor might be using add-path.

= (ii)   &nb= sp;            The capabilities are usually sent in parallel (i.e. RTB and RTA would independ= ently format their capabilities and send them to each other as soon as the = tcp connection comes up). Having a dependency here is not desirable.=

= (iii)   &n= bsp;           Do you have any concrete use case?

 

Thanks.

 

From: Idr [mail= to:idr-bounces@ietf.org]&n= bsp;On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan
Sent: Friday, Marc= h 07, 2014 3:02 AM
To: Pierre Francoi= s
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr]= Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

E.g.

 

Sender      &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;Receiver

RTA------------------------------------RTB

 

RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit nu= mber to N,

 

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the appropriate number for N.

 

 <= /p>

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: <= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:SimSun">Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org] 
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA3= =D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-li= mit-00

 

 

 

Dear Vincent, 

 

Thank you for your comment. 

 

What do you mean by "tuning on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the operator wants to recei= ve was not depending on 

what the sender is capable of sending.  

 

Do you see a case where this would be different?

 

Regards, 

 

Pierre.

 

 

On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangsh= unwan@huawei.com> wrote:

 

Dear Authors,

I have a comme= nt, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].

=A1=AD

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PA= TH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

[Vincent] :

If limit-capable= bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend upper bound=A1= =AF to signal

the upper bounds= specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet)        &nb= sp;            = |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs capability, and= convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.

 

 

Regards,

Vincent

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slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA51A0726 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9B42CC345; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:26:36 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: "George, Wes" Message-ID: <20140312142636.GJ29320@pfrc> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/QVjM01wiFsQzM63ioNKNyMCv2Nw Cc: Idr , "draft-ietf-idr-as-migration@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] question about draft-ietf-idr-as-migration X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:26:50 -0000 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 09:40:59AM -0400, George, Wes wrote: > So the question for the WG is whether you want to see this include 2119 > language instead of or in addition to the existing descriptions in 3.1, > 3.2 and 4.1, and if you want 2119 language, whether or not you would > rather see this as a PS document instead of informational. It'd take some digging, but I've seen references before that 2119 language in non-standard-track docs is fine. You're defining procedure and within that procedure (even if the draft is experimental or informational), you need to know how it is meant to behave. With regard to the particular position in standards, I think the defining context would be what impact you want this to have in SIDR. From the scope of non-secured BGP, the details are largely opaque and still conform to the base BGP RFCs. What happens within a given set of cooperating autonomous systems stays inside those ASes. The SIDR context of these changes is effectively how such "consent" is expressed in the security mechanism. In the presence of signature mechanisms, the majority of these transition mechanisms break. If your hope is that this document sets the stage to define either: - Procedures by which cooperating parties can manipulate the signatures in bgpsec - Define circumstances under which the cooperating parties *do not sign* across their common boundaries then I think you have the leverage in this document to do so. -- Jeff From nobody Wed Mar 12 07:33:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D91A0849 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IXUp2mmNlSW6 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726E91A0835 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-5-2-66.lucent.com [135.5.2.66]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id s2CEWwiP016861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:32:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s2CEWv9J004538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:32:57 -0400 Received: from US70TWXCHMBA09.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.65]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:32:57 -0400 From: "Simpson, Adam (Adam)" To: idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Thread-Index: AQHPPf/1vJDY0D74v063fBOzrxwDlA== Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF45E8363D2F5adamsimpsonalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/8Sx9ORmd2YjK04v_jXAtRie6fA8 Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:33:10 -0000 --_000_CF45E8363D2F5adamsimpsonalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. From: , Wim Henderickx > Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 at 12:41 AM To: Mach Chen >, Susan Ha= res >, idr wg > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-= rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) +1 From: Mach Chen > Date: Wednesday 12 March 2014 02:07 To: Susan Hares >, idr wg > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-= rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) Yes/Support. Best regards, Mach From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:11 PM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-b= is-01 (3/6 to 3/20) This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_CF45E8363D2F5adamsimpsonalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3E93630DCF4B0B40B60D522841C7E9FB@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: <Henderickx>, Wim Hende= rickx <wim.henderic= kx@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 at = 12:41 AM
To: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption ca= ll for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

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From: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>
Date: Wednesday 12 March 2014 02:07=
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption ca= ll for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

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3/20) Thread-Index: Ac85PYb1lvJsRhCzSTmoUM7ca1tphAE7/qiQ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: <190333B4AEDA0F4FA72E61A2E7F298A622EA7F4A@xmb-rcd-x12.cisco.com> References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.98.133.154] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_190333B4AEDA0F4FA72E61A2E7F298A622EA7F4Axmbrcdx12ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gMMHwv9lyxo8wZzDLrT1OlzOP_g Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:59:17 -0000 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From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:11 AM
To: idr wg
Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redire= ct-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20)

 

= This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following dra= ft

=  

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extende= d Community

       &nbs= p;       draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-= bis-01

=  

=  

= http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-0= 1.txt

=  

=  

= Within any discussions, it would be good to mention

=  

= Support to be WG draft: yes/no

=  

=  

= Sue Hares and John Scudder

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Idr = [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Susan = Hares
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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr = wg
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to = 3/20)

 

This is to start a 2 = week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following = draft

 

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended = Community

         &= nbsp;     = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

 

 

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-= 01.txt

 

 

Within any discussions, = it would be good to mention

 

Support to be WG draft: = yes/no

 

 

Sue Hares and John = Scudder

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D= e : Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Susan Ha= res
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This is to start a 2 week adoptio= n call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

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Clarification of the Flo= wspec Redirect Extended Community

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inline In-Reply-To: <8ED5B0B0F5B4854A912480C1521F973A11B427EB@xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/miAn0qo3g_wBdRKvtq5qLEvDdRs Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on presentation on Constrained route target constrain with multiple address familiies X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:47:59 -0000 Saikat, On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 03:09:46PM +0000, Saikat Ray (sairay) wrote: > To clarify: > > 1. The draft describes two problems. > (a) Unused route advertisement and retention, > (b) Need for route-refresh on some configuration changes > > I am assuming you support working on both of these problems. Yes. > 2. You support the AFI-SAFI extended community proposed in the draft. Yes. I'm not sure I fully support making this a generic mechanism and would suggest instead that this community is scoped to constrained route target distribution. > 3. You do not support the changes of "identical path check" described in the presentation. Instead you prefer to use an extended community, similar to MAC mobility extended community, to signal a change in the path. Correct. It's very difficult to distinguish an intentional refresh request for a given filter update contrasted against duplicate UPDATE bugs. I have two further thoughts on this issue: - The change in the set of extended communities is sufficient to trigger the refresh for an AFI/SAFI that is being added. It could also trigger the sending of withdrawals for the case of an AFI/SAFI being deleted, although arguably there may not be a need for this since the PE can simply discard the reachability. - This proposal probably needs work with respect to the legacy behavior. That legacy behavior means that if the router received a RT-C route with communities and doesn't understand them, it can't provide the additional filtering. More importantly, it will require a refresh of the AFI in question to work. What is thus required is a mechanism by which we can determine if the peering session supports the feature or not. This traditionally implies BGP capabilities. > Do you envision any case where the "refresh me" paths need to propagate in the AS (or across ASes)? I don't foresee that. However, it does mean routers supporting this mechanism must be willing to generate the union of AFI/SAFI ECs from all input RT-C routes, which may include "all" when receiving a route from a legacy RT-C router. -- Jeff From nobody Fri Mar 14 06:30:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A82C1A014E; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:30:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZcYdGrZSV_h; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018711A013F; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.1.0p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140314133006.1158.55087.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:30:06 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/PPRQ4K7ZdqFYnzJQAJGmsnXtzkQ Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-03.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:30:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers Authors : Jeffrey Haas Jon Mitchell Filename : draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-03.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2014-03-14 Abstract: This document reserves two Autonomous System numbers (ASNs) at the end of the 16 bit and 32 bit ranges, described in this document as "Last ASNs" and provides guidance to implementers and operators on their use. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 14 10:46:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162241A01B5; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCOpLoVefMsV; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B521A01AC; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id B76897FC39B; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20140314174605.B76897FC39B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/X-2K5w8VAGOHvvr49QXjaEpeVic Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, idr@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Idr] RFC 7153 on IANA Registries for BGP Extended Communities X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:46:32 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7153 Title: IANA Registries for BGP Extended Communities Author: E. Rosen, Y. Rekhter Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: March 2014 Mailbox: erosen@cisco.com, yakov@juniper.net Pages: 16 Characters: 30557 Updates: RFC 4360, RFC 5701 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-idr-extcomm-iana-02.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7153.txt This document reorganizes the IANA registries for the type values and sub-type values of the BGP Extended Communities attribute and the BGP IPv6-Address-Specific Extended Communities attribute. This is done in order to remove interdependencies among the registries, thus making it easier for IANA to determine which codepoints are available for assignment in which registries. This document also clarifies the information that must be provided to IANA when requesting an allocation from one or more of these registries. These changes are compatible with the existing allocations and thus do not affect protocol implementations. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Fri Mar 14 12:43:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EA81A01C1 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.115 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.115 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ALwOrO7gLBHW for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D411A01BA for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AB59CC23D; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:43:44 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Jared Mauch Message-ID: <20140314194344.GA9853@pfrc> References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/C_Im9pAYKYNrWGsPnm3i9zoFC1I Cc: idr wg , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:43:53 -0000 Jared, Sorry, I missed this question as part of some IMAP foolishness that messed up my inbox. On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:25:45PM +0000, Jared Mauch wrote: > Are there subtypes for ipv6 as well? Should this be done at the same time? This draft is intended solely to document what is deployed against RFC 5575. Documenting a similar community is definitely in scope for draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6. -- Jeff From nobody Fri Mar 14 12:49:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FE31A01C5 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.115 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.115 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2GdmcAepcbkd for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E6B1A01C4 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7548BC307; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:49:16 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140314194916.GB9853@pfrc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tTpOSyirozIf1fO_c4IAqDxpzsg Subject: [Idr] Discussion on draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirct-rt-bis? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:49:28 -0000 draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis is in working through its adoption call in the working group. As previously mentioned, it's a very short janitorial draft. The only normative reference in the document that was pending has just been published as RFC 7153, "IANA Registries for BGP Extended Communities". Since the draft is so small, I'd greatly appreciate a few minutes from the working group to offer any comments on the draft so that once it's adopted, we can hopefully move to Working Group Last Call in short order. -- Jeff From nobody Tue Mar 18 01:31:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F31A0691 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 01:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GfPfCuzpk7pD for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 01:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41B51A02D7 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 01:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id E195C264141; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:31:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCH41.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.30]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A0396238070; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:31:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCB2F.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.54]) by PUEXCH41.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.30]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:31:28 +0100 From: To: Jeffrey Haas , "idr@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:31:26 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Idr] Discussion on draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirct-rt-bis? Thread-Index: Ac8/vofHSNbek15JRC+/ldFh09XaqQCxcPrA Message-ID: <19038_1395131488_53280460_19038_5316_3_EEE55384044474429A926C625D0FCC810C386E4DF9@PUEXCB2F.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <20140314194916.GB9853@pfrc> In-Reply-To: <20140314194916.GB9853@pfrc> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.3.18.22715 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/E9uvo0zUECm49O-IKqcGCUCtFJk Subject: Re: [Idr] Discussion on draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirct-rt-bis? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:31:39 -0000 Hi Jeff, Draft is good for me. No comment. Stephane -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jeffrey Haas Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 14 mars 2014 20:49 =C0=A0: idr@ietf.org Objet=A0: [Idr] Discussion on draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirct-rt-bis? draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis is in working through its adoption = call in the working group. As previously mentioned, it's a very short jani= torial draft. The only normative reference in the document that was pending has just been= published as RFC 7153, "IANA Registries for BGP Extended Communities". 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From nobody Tue Mar 18 03:59:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8D51A06D8 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:59:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pbdag7_hXaB for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3lp0076.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0034C1A03D8 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.82.152) by AMSPR07MB210.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.82.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.898.11; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:40 +0000 Received: from AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.208]) by AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.208]) with mapi id 15.00.0898.005; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:40 +0000 From: Andy Davidson To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] Advancing add-path Thread-Index: AQHO0PnBTfk3HknvXkOjoT3KaDLzo5oRNrYAgACTc4CA1cVXYA== Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> In-Reply-To: <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [78.40.247.182] x-forefront-prvs: 0154C61618 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019001)(6009001)(428001)(199002)(189002)(2656002)(20776003)(66066001)(79102001)(63696002)(95666003)(31966008)(74366001)(65816001)(74316001)(59766001)(97186001)(77982001)(80022001)(87936001)(50986001)(94946001)(49866001)(95416001)(47736001)(81542001)(93516002)(86362001)(81342001)(97336001)(90146001)(69226001)(56816005)(74502001)(81686001)(83322001)(76576001)(80976001)(83072002)(85852003)(77096001)(92566001)(74662001)(76796001)(53806001)(54356001)(4396001)(87266001)(94316002)(93136001)(85306002)(33646001)(47446002)(81816001)(54316002)(76482001)(76786001)(56776001)(74876001)(46102001)(51856001)(47976001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AMSPR07MB210; H:AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:BFD6F46C.B5027789.71E7D06B.7ED7AEE9.20134; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: nosignal.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nosignal.org Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Y9fSOq2zQf2AZRHylXw2w0g0sWk Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:54 -0000 Hi, Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: > the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves > a bunch of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug at an = IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for the last= five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any useful add-pat= h/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. Best wishes, Andy Davidson (LONAP/IXLeeds/Euro-IX) From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:30:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D11A040B for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:30:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.945 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nbu10QROFTkj for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6043F1A037C for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:30:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Andy Davidson'" , References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000901cf42b6$9bfc0660$d3f41320$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGkBg+4Kp4SLP5wbxoUgNIMCH96/QKKLU2pAdUFBXIClTncTJsFvYBg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/I2gMfWYmpz0LMlV3j3bvwdwSRGo Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:30:40 -0000 Andy: Thank you for this note. John and I will look at putting this put standardizing this work on a fast path. Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Davidson Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:00 AM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path Hi, Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: > the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves a bunch > of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug at an IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for the last five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any useful add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. Best wishes, Andy Davidson (LONAP/IXLeeds/Euro-IX) _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:59:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1D71A047A for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mFstb-bZQ17L for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7CC1A036E for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id DB3C01CEB39; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:58:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-_FFIpS09E4; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:58:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from GTGNG4J (unknown [193.145.14.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: juancamilo.cardona) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 98C531CEB38; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:58:06 +0100 (CET) From: "Juan Camilo Cardona" To: "'Andy Davidson'" , References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:59:24 +0100 Message-ID: <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHO0PnBTfk3HknvXkOjoT3KaDLzo5oRNrYAgACTc4CA1cVXYIAABJeg Content-Language: es Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/EME8HwlMO2K6duNCrfh3A1L5ekc Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:59:19 -0000 Hello Andy, all, At the last IETF, we presented draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/). The idea of the draft is to describe in detail the use of add-path between an EBGP route server and its clients. If possible, please take a look at it. Any feedback on the document would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Camilo Cardona -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] Sent: viernes, 07 de febrero de 2014 16:11 To: Jeffrey Haas; Jeffrey Haas; Pierre Francois; Adam Simpson; Camilo Cardona; Adam Simpson; Camilo Cardona; Pierre Francois Subject: New Version Notification for draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Camilo Cardona and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths Revision: 00 Title: ADD-PATH for Route Servers Document date: 2014-02-07 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 6 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 Abstract: BGP speakers in Internet Exchange Points exchange routes with a large number of peers. To reduce the burden of maintaining many sessions, IXPs implement and administrate BGP route servers. Route servers announce to their clients the paths of multiple peers by using a single eBGP session. Route servers, however, are restricted to propagating a single path per NLRI per eBGP session. This constraint affects the path diversity received by clients, which could use paths that they would not have chosen, had they known all possible paths. To overcome this limitation, we propose in this draft the extension of ADD-PATH to eBGP peers in the context of route servers. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Davidson Sent: martes, 18 de marzo de 2014 12:00 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path Hi, Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: > the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves a bunch > of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug at an IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for the last five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any useful add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. Best wishes, Andy Davidson (LONAP/IXLeeds/Euro-IX) _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Mar 18 08:14:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114021A06E5 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bFjTrma0pQzi for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.mail.exa.net.uk (out-3.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.4.131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7001A0404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.5.1]) by out-3.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2729CA006A; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.76.223] (wifi.leeds.aql.com [78.40.247.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: thomas@mangin.com) by smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id E5CBD22116B; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:14:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_984730EE-C1AE-41AB-99AB-29C80935A61C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Thomas Mangin In-Reply-To: <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:14:13 +0000 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 416848453.754002-e7b3aae59c94ee9081f196814a4a4c4f Message-Id: References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> To: idr wg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at out-2-2.mail.exa.net.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/2MLM_c5XPJ4uzeAOxccYg44aUO4 Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:14:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_984730EE-C1AE-41AB-99AB-29C80935A61C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Camilo, I would like the document to cover more clearly the "mix mode" operation = (when only some of the peers do support the feature). I believe the draft could could gain from more clarity on how the RS = should select which path to select if draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit = is implemented too. At least one RS operator reported having over 90k best path already and = were wondering how it would affect the RS. Following the very positive feedback of IX operators at Euro-IX today, I = will be adding RS support for ExaBGP with support of your draft and will = share with you any relevant experience .. Sincerely, Thomas On 18 Mar 2014, at 14:59, Juan Camilo Cardona = wrote: > Hello Andy, all, >=20 > At the last IETF, we presented draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/). = The idea > of the draft is to describe in detail the use of add-path between an = EBGP > route server and its clients. If possible, please take a look at it. = Any > feedback on the document would be greatly appreciated. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Camilo Cardona >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: viernes, 07 de febrero de 2014 16:11 > To: Jeffrey Haas; Jeffrey Haas; Pierre Francois; Adam Simpson; Camilo > Cardona; Adam Simpson; Camilo Cardona; Pierre Francois > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Camilo Cardona and posted to the = IETF > repository. >=20 > Name: draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths > Revision: 00 > Title: ADD-PATH for Route Servers > Document date: 2014-02-07 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 6 > URL: > = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/ > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > BGP speakers in Internet Exchange Points exchange routes with a = large > number of peers. To reduce the burden of maintaining many sessions, > IXPs implement and administrate BGP route servers. Route servers > announce to their clients the paths of multiple peers by using a > single eBGP session. Route servers, however, are restricted to > propagating a single path per NLRI per eBGP session. This = constraint > affects the path diversity received by clients, which could use = paths > that they would not have chosen, had they known all possible paths. > To overcome this limitation, we propose in this draft the extension > of ADD-PATH to eBGP peers in the context of route servers. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Davidson > Sent: martes, 18 de marzo de 2014 12:00 > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: >> the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves a = bunch=20 >> of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. >=20 > Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug = at an > IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for the = last > five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any useful > add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. >=20 >=20 > Best wishes, > Andy Davidson > (LONAP/IXLeeds/Euro-IX) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 --Apple-Mail=_984730EE-C1AE-41AB-99AB-29C80935A61C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlMoYsUACgkQA/52wvuLgaH84ACfZask73Jr6Sd3tBcvLFlvrrKp 3kwAoL5a6Ka+MqQ0IqoWU1LSJZTRur89 =mBqP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_984730EE-C1AE-41AB-99AB-29C80935A61C-- From nobody Tue Mar 18 08:16:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8BD1A069E for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C43TwN0gyuJh for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACD61A0404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id 390A71CED1D; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:14:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sz73ZTtJXli; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:14:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhcp-10-61-96-69.cisco.com (173-38-208-169.cisco.com [173.38.208.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pierre.francois) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 479701CED1C; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:14:47 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Pierre Francois In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:15:46 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> To: Thomas Mangin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/CyDLFqEU9CCaxWdgUAUHnU1Pu5c Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:16:03 -0000 Thomas,=20 We'll do that (mixed mode operation) Great to hear about the feedback you received at Euro-IX ;) Cheers,=20 Pierre. On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Thomas Mangin = wrote: > Hello Camilo, >=20 > I would like the document to cover more clearly the "mix mode" = operation (when only some of the peers do support the feature). >=20 > I believe the draft could could gain from more clarity on how the RS = should select which path to select if draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit = is implemented too. > At least one RS operator reported having over 90k best path already = and were wondering how it would affect the RS. >=20 > Following the very positive feedback of IX operators at Euro-IX today, = I will be adding RS support for ExaBGP with support of your draft and = will share with you any relevant experience .. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Thomas >=20 > On 18 Mar 2014, at 14:59, Juan Camilo Cardona = wrote: >=20 >> Hello Andy, all, >>=20 >> At the last IETF, we presented draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/). = The idea >> of the draft is to describe in detail the use of add-path between an = EBGP >> route server and its clients. If possible, please take a look at it. = Any >> feedback on the document would be greatly appreciated. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Camilo Cardona >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 >> Sent: viernes, 07 de febrero de 2014 16:11 >> To: Jeffrey Haas; Jeffrey Haas; Pierre Francois; Adam Simpson; Camilo >> Cardona; Adam Simpson; Camilo Cardona; Pierre Francois >> Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Camilo Cardona and posted to the = IETF >> repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths >> Revision: 00 >> Title: ADD-PATH for Route Servers >> Document date: 2014-02-07 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 6 >> URL: >> = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/ >> Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 >>=20 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> BGP speakers in Internet Exchange Points exchange routes with a = large >> number of peers. To reduce the burden of maintaining many sessions, >> IXPs implement and administrate BGP route servers. Route servers >> announce to their clients the paths of multiple peers by using a >> single eBGP session. Route servers, however, are restricted to >> propagating a single path per NLRI per eBGP session. This = constraint >> affects the path diversity received by clients, which could use = paths >> that they would not have chosen, had they known all possible paths. >> To overcome this limitation, we propose in this draft the extension >> of ADD-PATH to eBGP peers in the context of route servers. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Davidson >> Sent: martes, 18 de marzo de 2014 12:00 >> To: idr@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: >>> the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves a = bunch=20 >>> of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. >>=20 >> Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug = at an >> IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for = the last >> five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any useful >> add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. >>=20 >>=20 >> Best wishes, >> Andy Davidson >> (LONAP/IXLeeds/Euro-IX) >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Wed Mar 19 01:15:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EF41A066A for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 01:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ljgkJq4MAJHJ for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 01:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3lp0083.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5261A0675 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 01:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.82.152) by AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.82.152) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.898.11; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:14:41 +0000 Received: from AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.208]) by AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.208]) with mapi id 15.00.0898.005; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:14:41 +0000 From: Andy Davidson To: Juan Camilo Cardona , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] Advancing add-path Thread-Index: AQHO0PnBTfk3HknvXkOjoT3KaDLzo5oRNrYAgACTc4CA1cVXYIAABJeggAFVfrA= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:14:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [217.113.160.50] x-forefront-prvs: 01559F388D x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019001)(6009001)(428001)(43784003)(199002)(189002)(24454002)(20776003)(2656002)(92566001)(79102001)(63696002)(77982001)(95416001)(49866001)(87936001)(74706001)(76796001)(93516002)(59766001)(46102001)(76482001)(94316002)(66066001)(81816001)(94946001)(74876001)(87266001)(93136001)(83072002)(76576001)(83322001)(31966008)(4396001)(85852003)(50986001)(81342001)(74502001)(97186001)(85306002)(97336001)(74662001)(74316001)(54356001)(51856001)(81686001)(74366001)(86362001)(33646001)(95666003)(47446002)(56816005)(90146001)(69226001)(77096001)(47736001)(76786001)(56776001)(80976001)(54316002)(81542001)(53806001)(80022001)(65816001)(47976001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AMSPR07MB211; H:AMSPR07MB211.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:8EE1F4DC.A6F25391.F2D7B2AB.4EEDE17D.2036A; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: nosignal.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nosignal.org Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/M9yTSaUKKl5Ir07MTQGn6FlM_Wk Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:15:00 -0000 Hi, Juan Camilo Cardona wrote: > At the last IETF, we presented draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00=20 > The idea of the draft is to describe in detail the use of add-path=20 > between an EBGP route server and its clients. If possible, please=20 > take a look at it. Any feedback on the document would be greatly > appreciated. It's a great description of the problem statement. Thanks for your hard wo= rk. I have a number of small suggestions which I hope are not contentious. I would perhaps recommend explicitly stating in the abstract that multiple = paths *and next hops* are distributed in a single session for clarity becau= se newcomers to the subject may otherwise spend time trying to figure out h= ow path selection can be communicated between peers when in the context of = a route-server it's simply necessary to select one next-hop or another. Th= is is hinted in section 4 (Error conditions) but may help clarity to drop i= nto the abstract. In the motivation section there is a third motivation to perform this work = - a peer that advertises a route to the route-server, which is selected as = the best path by the route-server, may be hidden from a second IXP peer due= to policy which is expressed between the sending party and the route-serve= r even though an alternative path exists and is valid for the same second I= XP peer. This is subtlety different from the first motivation, which impli= es the peer may get both paths and next hops and makes a policy decision. = In this case the peer does not get the option of selecting the prefix at al= l. This is combatted today using multiple RIBs (one best path selection pe= r participant). This is a scaling challenge that IXPs would like to avoid = with ebgp addpath. I think that "we" need to do some work on the handling of withdraws as I wo= uld like to see : - Consistent behaviour explicitly defined so that route-server implementat= ions behave the same way. IXPs tend to have a preference to run multiple r= oute-server vendors for resilience. - Implicit withdraw behaviour on clients should be tested to ensure that t= he route-server client behaves in the same way - It may be that consistency can only be assured if withdraws for routes a= dvertised in add-path enabled route-server sessions are all explicit ? Thanks again for your hard work. Andy From nobody Wed Mar 19 05:00:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FDF1A06DF for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrzVRk3tnfdK for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34A11A03E2 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id 648051BC27B; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:59:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vTdy--qPugdo; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from GTGNG4J (unknown [193.145.14.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: juancamilo.cardona) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 261CB1BC27A; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:59:31 +0100 (CET) From: "Juan Camilo Cardona" To: "'Andy Davidson'" , References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 13:00:51 +0100 Message-ID: <002201cf436a$dfa683e0$9ef38ba0$@cardona@imdea.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHO0PnBTfk3HknvXkOjoT3KaDLzo5oRNrYAgACTc4CA1cVXYIAABJeggAFVfrCAAEUh8A== Content-Language: es Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/pOTFbZ8IMgCCUV9XID2J3imweNU Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:00:46 -0000 Andy, all, Thank you very much for your comments. We will sure consider all of them = for the next version of the document. More comments inline.=20 Camilo Cardona -----Original Message----- From: Andy Davidson [mailto:andy@nosignal.org]=20 Sent: mi=E9rcoles, 19 de marzo de 2014 9:15 To: Juan Camilo Cardona; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] Advancing add-path Hi, Juan Camilo Cardona wrote: > At the last IETF, we presented draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-00 The=20 > idea of the draft is to describe in detail the use of add-path between = > an EBGP route server and its clients. If possible, please take a look=20 > at it. Any feedback on the document would be greatly appreciated. It's a great description of the problem statement. Thanks for your hard work. I have a number of small suggestions which I hope are not contentious. I would perhaps recommend explicitly stating in the abstract that = multiple paths *and next hops* are distributed in a single session for clarity because newcomers to the subject may otherwise spend time trying to = figure out how path selection can be communicated between peers when in the = context of a route-server it's simply necessary to select one next-hop or = another. This is hinted in section 4 (Error conditions) but may help clarity to = drop into the abstract. CC: Agree In the motivation section there is a third motivation to perform this = work - a peer that advertises a route to the route-server, which is selected as = the best path by the route-server, may be hidden from a second IXP peer due = to policy which is expressed between the sending party and the route-server even though an alternative path exists and is valid for the same second = IXP peer. This is subtlety different from the first motivation, which = implies the peer may get both paths and next hops and makes a policy decision. = In this case the peer does not get the option of selecting the prefix at = all. This is combatted today using multiple RIBs (one best path selection per participant). This is a scaling challenge that IXPs would like to avoid with ebgp addpath. CC: Agree. This was a big motivation we had when writing this draft and = we will make sure that it is clearly stated in the text. I think that "we" need to do some work on the handling of withdraws as I would like to see : - Consistent behaviour explicitly defined so that route-server implementations behave the same way. IXPs tend to have a preference to = run multiple route-server vendors for resilience. - Implicit withdraw behaviour on clients should be tested to ensure = that the route-server client behaves in the same way - It may be that consistency can only be assured if withdraws for = routes advertised in add-path enabled route-server sessions are all explicit ? CC: Don't you think that the ADD-PATH draft already defines the = procedures that take care of handling withdraws (using path-ids) and these should = also apply to an IXP-RS environment? Thanks again for your hard work. Andy From nobody Wed Mar 19 15:36:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730E71A0319 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vi8AMwQpUp6c for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com (mail-yh0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650DC1A023C for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so4650yha.31 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FWFiff3bBmVotjjVydTVKngGC5LBdQxgIs/InAF5vcU=; b=wSwEXgWw4w8Fm1M5sGStq9pDsXs9KWIbng7MTzIgHtfxZv4vUxUlGEaZ/cOd1ONWbm S6ORWZl2KBJbwR/PxZf6AbLyDX0zJ/tPbuIVpjBohUvRajsxAwlj7DOxUnrQxPy+XkFD 4ut3UFmXC2cYle8O2DQjD1wAGxkJ8l+wYET6gL3bzwmOtAQd5lSHkHqnZJtBpLt08HJM L0EKwVSyZBaKcdB19zytNwrBEyiWuwVAW4QVQ7bIJh4IlbyusPcJrICHV+OwRINbYbxL sg007CBSKhAQ2JkT5dahLUWrSq13vo+Cyw+/9lwAQErZEIu+BooEQ3t8jEuAHTWU1iEO +EDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.62.232 with SMTP id y68mr30037724yhc.12.1395268564596; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.194.69 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org, "idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01228f9e28bed504f4fd47b9 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/L0aOYZMiepI-8a0pLVqOThJt6JA Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 22:36:14 -0000 --089e01228f9e28bed504f4fd47b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. This is a well-written clear draft. I have just two comments on it. First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes. Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this document as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ? Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF Last Call. Thanks, Alia --089e01228f9e28bed504f4fd47b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a review of dra= fts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. =A0

=A0

This is a well-written clear draft. =A0I have just two comme= nts on it.

First, let's keep it as Informational = and see how that goes.

Second, could the IANA considerations sect= ion please add this document as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ?

Once the authors h= ave posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF Last Call.

Thanks,
Alia
--089e01228f9e28bed504f4fd47b9-- From nobody Wed Mar 19 17:04:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FCC1A0821 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykik1b_P1oRe for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264101A0811 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Jon Mitchell \(GNS\)'" , "'Alia Atlas'" References: <5780CFFF-A1CD-4837-B1FB-68FE88021A8F@microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <5780CFFF-A1CD-4837-B1FB-68FE88021A8F@microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <014801cf43cf$e99c0040$bcd400c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0149_01CF43AE.628DE2B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKbIG7RHq9zzEGz7Bq3d7Sjm0Gi7AFiro8gmUZJCdA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/qKXQVfY4AAkPGARyRrX-_CdY4nE Cc: idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 00:04:43 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01CF43AE.628DE2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alia and Jon: Alia - Perhaps you could note to the registries that both forms would be helpful. Jon - why not put it in as a [0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF]. Thanks, Sue From: Jon Mitchell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM To: Alia Atlas Cc: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation Alia - Already info in -03, so no issue there. I'm unclear on the second comment, the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both last ASN's in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in decimal as the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal. Am I misunderstanding the request? -Jon On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" wrote: Hi, As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. This is a well-written clear draft. I have just two comments on it. First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes. Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this document as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ? Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF Last Call. Thanks, Alia ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01CF43AE.628DE2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alia and Jon:

 

Alia - Perhaps you could note to the registries that both forms would = be helpful.

 

Jon – why not put it in as a [0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF].

 

Thanks,

 

Sue =

 

 

From:= = Jon Mitchell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM
To: Alia Atlas
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; = idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Adrian = Farrel
Subject: Re: AD review of = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation

 

Alia = -

 

Already info in -03, so no issue there.  I'm = unclear on the second comment, the registries in the document are asked = to be updated for both last ASN's in the IANA considerations section = already but the request is in decimal as the registries themselves list = all ASN entries in decimal.  Am I misunderstanding the = request?

-Jon

Hi,

 

As part of my standard processing for progressing routing = drafts, I do a review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or = progressing the draft.  

 

This is a well-written clear draft.  I have just two = comments on it.

 

First, let's keep it as = Informational and see how that goes.

 

Second, could the IANA = considerations section please add this document as the reference for = 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ?

 

Once the authors have posted the = updated version, we can move on to IETF Last = Call.

 

Thanks,

Alia

------=_NextPart_000_0149_01CF43AE.628DE2B0-- From nobody Wed Mar 19 18:23:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8961A087A for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4LVqi8y-rUEO for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AC51A0874 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 200so462794ykr.3 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YdUuRRGunapoRRjYzWiGyMyrD2NTUws4EUBbZkc53og=; b=DlZo3Lub2nC38Azi9MH/banvMt8bom4NVcv9UIVuivrPa2k3xuy1oyB4l7+dLGSF7K tNVf33M9VzO5JnwQbtVosmzcrg6qlUBqMCQDavh9LJy1vYOzxVJ7OyKRJ7hc2cmQNDQe 8AWvD2GccjKlx05vlkgdU9hVVqHg2jwcN9QHkkp4N3p+VSmqHQKX/FqypFqCle6nfpDE IBysVXjwPUI+HW8g/XfuyuT1Sh/IYxPdwoPPXn8tCCknHJ+7UIj3/I5FiQ/p80MHB67n PuLSEyrt3BcbteyF/9idCL/M+ezLLK4KWiWV9tFAI362+oubpM3ATIFJkYYJO/nzlRM1 XEnA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.26.72 with SMTP id b48mr25068582yha.59.1395278574061; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.194.69 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.194.69 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <014801cf43cf$e99c0040$bcd400c0$@ndzh.com> References: <5780CFFF-A1CD-4837-B1FB-68FE88021A8F@microsoft.com> <014801cf43cf$e99c0040$bcd400c0$@ndzh.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 21:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01495296c50caa04f4ff9ba9 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/vmUkpEN-GX59nBGXZ6iv4tLS_ZU Cc: idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org, "Jon Mitchell \(GNS\)" , idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:23:06 -0000 --089e01495296c50caa04f4ff9ba9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sue, I don't care about decimal vs hex. It was just quicker to your in hex. I just want the IANA considerations to say: "Please add this document as the reference for these two values." Alia On Mar 19, 2014 8:04 PM, "Susan Hares" wrote: > Alia and Jon: > > > > Alia - Perhaps you could note to the registries that both forms would be > helpful. > > > > Jon - why not put it in as a [0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF]. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sue > > > > > > *From:* Jon Mitchell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM > *To:* Alia Atlas > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; > idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel > *Subject:* Re: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation > > > > Alia - > > > > Already info in -03, so no issue there. I'm unclear on the second > comment, the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both > last ASN's in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in > decimal as the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal. Am I > misunderstanding the request? > > -Jon > > > On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a > review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. > > > > > This is a well-written clear draft. I have just two comments on it. > > > > First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes. > > > > Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this document as > the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ? > > > > Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF > Last Call. > > > > Thanks, > > Alia > > --089e01495296c50caa04f4ff9ba9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sue,

I don't care about decimal vs hex.  It was just qui= cker to your in hex.

I just want the IANA considerations to say:

"Please add this document as the reference for these tw= o values."

Alia

On Mar 19, 2014 8:04 PM, "Susan Hares"= <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Alia and Jon:

 

Alia - Perhaps you could note to the regis= tries that both forms would be helpful.

 

Jon – why not= put it in as a [0xFFFF= FFFF and 0xFFFF].

=  

Thanks,

<= span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#4f81bd"> 

Sue

 

 

From: Jon Mitc= hell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM
To: Alia Atlas
= Cc: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; idr-chair= s@tools.ietf.org; idr= @ietf.org; Adrian Farrel
Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation<= u>

 

Alia -

 

Already info in -= 03, so no issue there.  I'm unclear on the second comment, the reg= istries in the document are asked to be updated for both last ASN's in = the IANA considerations section already but the request is in decimal as th= e registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal.  Am I misunde= rstanding the request?

-Jon


On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" <= ;akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

--089e01495296c50caa04f4ff9ba9-- From nobody Wed Mar 19 18:35:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D780D1A04B7 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOTCHHZ9TtkT for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA0D1A02A4 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Alia Atlas'" , "Jon Mitchell \(GNS\)" References: <5780CFFF-A1CD-4837-B1FB-68FE88021A8F@microsoft.com> <014801cf43cf$e99c0040$bcd400c0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 21:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: <018c01cf43dc$93033200$b9099600$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018D_01CF43BB.0BF318A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKbIG7RHq9zzEGz7Bq3d7Sjm0Gi7AFiro8gAZcdi4kBiq7SRZktVDZg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0akjaRKqXfF-ojiQIpAksraPm1c Cc: idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org, "'Jon Mitchell \(GNS\)'" , idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:35:20 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01CF43BB.0BF318A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alia: I'm sure as soon as Jon's sees this he'll add the sentence. Look for -04 in the morning. Sue From: Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:23 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: Adrian Farrel; idr@ietf.org; Jon Mitchell (GNS); idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation Sue, I don't care about decimal vs hex. It was just quicker to your in hex. I just want the IANA considerations to say: "Please add this document as the reference for these two values." Alia On Mar 19, 2014 8:04 PM, "Susan Hares" wrote: Alia and Jon: Alia - Perhaps you could note to the registries that both forms would be helpful. Jon - why not put it in as a [0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF]. Thanks, Sue From: Jon Mitchell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM To: Alia Atlas Cc: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation Alia - Already info in -03, so no issue there. I'm unclear on the second comment, the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both last ASN's in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in decimal as the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal. Am I misunderstanding the request? -Jon On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" wrote: Hi, As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. This is a well-written clear draft. I have just two comments on it. First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes. Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this document as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ? Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF Last Call. Thanks, Alia ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01CF43BB.0BF318A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01CF43BB.0BF318A0-- From nobody Thu Mar 20 06:24:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161181A0755; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VdkFXSPuvHuC; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963181A03CA; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.2.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140320132407.3737.48742.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:24:07 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/n0Z0Ej4RsKMszeR5oqIc2ubSILw Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-04.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:24:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers Authors : Jeffrey Haas Jon Mitchell Filename : draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-04.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2014-03-20 Abstract: This document reserves two Autonomous System numbers (ASNs) at the end of the 16 bit and 32 bit ranges, described in this document as "Last ASNs" and provides guidance to implementers and operators on their use. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 20 06:48:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387091A069C for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.845 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BMvcsUAQp28z for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7C81A03FA for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 09:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <02a401cf4443$0171b340$045519c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A5_01CF4421.7A6172D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac9EQs3fLzxEjOr1Qf+2WP2ShlxeQg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/_h0kWzjkGqT0iFfOZp46qWAC-u4 Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of the draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:48:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01CF4421.7A6172D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit idr-WG The IDR Working group has adopted the following draft: BGP Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 Will the co-authors please submit this draft (with suggested corrections to): Draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00.txt Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01CF4421.7A6172D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

idr-WG

 

The IDR = Working group has adopted the following draft:

BGP = Link-State Information Distribution Implementation Report

draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

 

Will the co-authors please = submit this draft (with suggested corrections = to):

 

Draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00.txt

 

Sue Hares =  

------=_NextPart_000_02A5_01CF4421.7A6172D0-- From nobody Thu Mar 20 06:52:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429E01A074E for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKtea5B3nl96 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BC91A06CF for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" References: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01cf393d$88514710$98f3d530$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 09:52:28 -0400 Message-ID: <02bd01cf4443$a1eaf020$e5c0d060$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02BE_01CF4422.1ADBC120" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJjr9xGeWZ9cEAeZOqhzfCiF1Fu4pnBJ1Lw Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/QhamVLmgpotQmY3uwfy8DQQYf90 Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:52:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01CF4422.1ADBC120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This draft has been adopted by the idr WG: Please submit the draft at: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:11 AM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to 3/20) This is to start a 2 week adoption call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended Community draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01.txt Within any discussions, it would be good to mention Support to be WG draft: yes/no Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01CF4422.1ADBC120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This draft has been adopted by the idr = WG:

 

Please submit the draft = at:

 

draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis

 

Sue Hares =  

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:11 AM
To: idr = wg
Subject: [Idr] 2 WG adoption call for = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 (3/6 to = 3/20)

 

This is to start a 2 week adoption = call (3/6 to 3/20) for the following draft

 

Clarification of the Flowspec Redirect Extended = Community

         &= nbsp;     = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

 

 

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-= 01.txt

 

 

Within any discussions, it would be = good to mention

 

Support to = be WG draft: yes/no

 

 

Sue Hares and John = Scudder

------=_NextPart_000_02BE_01CF4422.1ADBC120-- From nobody Thu Mar 20 07:07:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993A21A08DF; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wgs7NCb597wO; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B391A08E0; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.2.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20140320140716.19665.64876.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:07:16 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/O2xLAAiXcwURSPAvJfUIWdyuFpM Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:07:28 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-04-03. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document reserves two Autonomous System numbers (ASNs) at the end of the 16 bit and 32 bit ranges, described in this document as "Last ASNs" and provides guidance to implementers and operators on their use. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Thu Mar 20 07:51:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDB91A03FD for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.346 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AG7BNF3fDNdp for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C981A03EF for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: <033001cf444b$e7e404b0$b7ac0e10$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0331_01CF442A.60D6AA70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac9ES+dnphXHDSvNRvCVsrmuARebXw== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/6urOKFJWNm3XN9KJRAHi84zdH8s Subject: [Idr] 3/20 Week status X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:51:54 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0331_01CF442A.60D6AA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDR Folks: 2 WG group drafts adopted: . draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01 . draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00 IESG Evaluation requested . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-enhanced-route-refresh-06.txt . draft-ietf-idr-aigp IETF LC . draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation Drafts for upcoming IDR WG LC . draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution . draft-ietf-idr-as-migration . Draft-ietf-idr-enhanced-refresh-impl-00.txt . Draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00.txt Grow reviews you should think about: draft-ietf-grow-ix-bgp-route-server-operations (ends on 4/2/2014) Sue ------=_NextPart_000_0331_01CF442A.60D6AA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IDR Folks: =

 

2 WG group drafts = adopted:

 

·         = draft-haas-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-01

·         = draft-gredler-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00

IESG Evaluation requested 

·         =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-enhanced-route-=
refresh-06.txt

·         = draft-ietf-idr-aigp

IETF LC

·         = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation

 

Drafts for upcoming = IDR  WG LC

·         = draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution

·         = draft-ietf-idr-as-migration

·         = Draft-ietf-idr-enhanced-refresh-impl-00.txt

·         = Draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl-00.txt =

 

Grow reviews you = should think about:

 

draft-ietf-grow-ix-bgp-route-server-operations  (ends on = 4/2/2014)

 

Sue =

------=_NextPart_000_0331_01CF442A.60D6AA70-- From nobody Thu Mar 20 08:37:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756FF1A0803 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0IiaYTrguMCL for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0242.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.242]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EDF1A0447 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLUPR03MB166.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.212.142) by BLUPR03MB168.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.212.152) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.898.11; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:50:47 +0000 Received: from BLUPR03MB166.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.3.160]) by BLUPR03MB166.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.3.187]) with mapi id 15.00.0898.005; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:50:46 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell (GNS)" To: Alia Atlas Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation Thread-Index: AQHPQ8OvjXhcE4nh60qsDOgLeF0c0ZrpFJD+ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:50:45 +0000 Message-ID: <5780CFFF-A1CD-4837-B1FB-68FE88021A8F@microsoft.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [72.73.23.184] x-forefront-prvs: 01559F388D x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009001)(428001)(377454003)(199002)(189002)(24454002)(164054003)(79102001)(49866001)(81542001)(69226001)(65816001)(20776003)(63696002)(80022001)(81342001)(31966008)(56816005)(85306002)(19580395003)(97186001)(76786001)(66066001)(77096001)(83322001)(36756003)(87936001)(77982001)(59766001)(76796001)(47736001)(47446002)(19580405001)(16236675002)(46102001)(51856001)(50986001)(90146001)(4396001)(97336001)(47976001)(54356001)(86362001)(94316002)(2656002)(93136001)(33656001)(94946001)(95416001)(92566001)(74366001)(83716003)(56776001)(82746002)(87266001)(53806001)(81816001)(93516002)(95666003)(54316002)(76482001)(86612001)(74662001)(74502001)(74706001)(80976001)(81686001)(74876001)(92726001)(83072002)(85852003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR03MB168; H:BLUPR03MB166.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:ACD0E01F.ACD2E7C9.7CF7A587.4DE99A0.201AE; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5780CFFFA1CD4837B1FB68FE88021A8Fmicrosoftcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/BuFsCSWS0KP4ORpzMalXJ0ZDfhI X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 08:37:05 -0700 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 23:50:59 -0000 --_000_5780CFFFA1CD4837B1FB68FE88021A8Fmicrosoftcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alia - Already info in -03, so no issue there. I'm unclear on the second comment,= the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both last ASN's= in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in decimal a= s the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal. Am I misunder= standing the request? -Jon On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" > wrote: Hi, As part of my standard processing for progressing routing drafts, I do a re= view of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or progressing the draft. This is a well-written clear draft. I have just two comments on it. First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes. Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this document as t= he reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ? Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move on to IETF La= st Call. Thanks, Alia --_000_5780CFFFA1CD4837B1FB68FE88021A8Fmicrosoftcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alia -

Already info in -03, so no issue there.  I'm unclear on the secon= d comment, the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both = last ASN's in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in= decimal as the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal.  Am I misunderstanding the request?<= br>
-Jon

On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

As part of my standard processi= ng for progressing routing drafts, I do a review of drafts before requestin= g IETF Last Call or progressing the draft.  

 

This is a well-written clear draft.  I have just two comments o= n it.

First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that goes.

Second, could the IANA considerations section please add this d= ocument as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF ?

Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can move o= n to IETF Last Call.

Thanks,
Alia
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[160.94.249.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v2sm5402352igk.7.2014.03.20.08.54.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Mar 2014 08:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532B0F32.90500@umn.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:54:26 -0500 From: David Farmer Organization: University of Minnesota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf@ietf.org References: <20140320140716.19665.64876.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140320140716.19665.64876.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/8weaAmKm-DesN0tkZxNotIXlB4s Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Last Call: (Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Farmer List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:54:46 -0000 I support the document. One small nit, the second and third paragraphs of the IANA Considerations section seem to duplicate each other. Thanks. On 3/20/14, 09:07 , The IESG wrote: > > The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to > consider the following document: > - 'Reservation of Last Autonomous System (AS) Numbers' > as Informational RFC > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-04-03. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > > This document reserves two Autonomous System numbers (ASNs) at the > end of the 16 bit and 32 bit ranges, described in this document as > "Last ASNs" and provides guidance to implementers and operators on > their use. > > > > > The file can be obtained via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation/ballot/ > > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. > > -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ From nobody Thu Mar 20 13:20:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF3C1A08EA; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VrvWV_KVPeDv; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A351A073B; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.2.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140320202032.20754.89248.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:20:32 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/IkUjDb3G_OK-r50AvUruZt2LToM Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:20:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for IPv6 Authors : Robert Raszuk Burjiz Pithawala Danny McPherson Andy Karch Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-05.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2014-03-20 Abstract: Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules [RFC5575] provides a protocol extension for propagation of traffic flow information for the purpose of rate limiting or filtering. The [RFC5575] specifies those extensions for IPv4 protocol data packets. This specification extends the current [RFC5575] and defines changes to the original document in order to make it also usable and applicable to IPv6 data packets. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 21 08:55:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962EC1A09E0 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CjnNrdHFjq_k for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porta.halldom.com (porta.halldom.com [80.177.246.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE311A09DF for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hyperion.halldom.com ([80.177.246.170] helo=HYPERION) by porta.halldom.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WR1mU-00065T-1d; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:54:50 +0000 From: "Chris Hall" To: "'idr wg'" References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:54:41 -0000 Organization: Highwayman Message-ID: <001701cf451d$e40fc2c0$ac2f4840$@highwayman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQGkBg+4Kp4SLP5wbxoUgNIMCH96/QKKLU2pAdUFBXIClTncTAHVqKDFAYYqz4Ga75D/oA== Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gPv7aCc9CojHHFFplNekKS_splk Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:55:05 -0000 Thomas Mangin wrote (on Tue 18-Mar-2014 at 15:14 +0000): ... > I would like the document to cover more clearly the "mix mode" > operation (when only some of the peers do support the feature). RS-Clients which don't support add-paths would continue to need the services of a draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04, wouldn't they ? > I believe the draft could could gain from more clarity on how the > RS should select which path to select if draft-francois-idr- > addpath-limit is implemented too. It seems to me that limiting the number of paths which the RS may advertise Add-Paths-wise is the worst of all possible worlds :-( Add-Paths is most useful if the RS is no longer required to do *any* selection at all on behalf of its clients. If the RS is required to limit the number of paths for prefix 'p' advertised to client 'Z' on a first-come-first-served basis that would complicate things, but perhaps not hugely. But if the RS is required to select the "best" 'n' paths out of the 'm' which are available to client 'Z', then this looks like *more* work than the current situation where n==1 ! > At least one RS operator reported having over 90k best path already > and were wondering how it would affect the RS. Not as easy a question to answer as one would hope :-( Your current RS is doing proxy route selection on behalf of the client, so there is the cost of the per-client Loc-RIB and selection process. In theory the RS should also do proxy 'In' filtering -- as if the clients were peering directly (though this does not seem to be done much in practice). The RS also needs to implement the "peering matrix" -- some clients want to control the distribution of all or some of their routes. It is common practice to implement the "peering matrix" function in the extra 'In' filtering stage... Communities control which clients each route is announced to. So, the other cost is the extra filter stage(s) on the way into the per-client Loc-RIB. Moving *all* the selection work out to the client removes the need for the extra 'In' filtering and the per-client Loc-RIBs. Yay ! In a "pure peering" IXP most prefixes only have one route, so the selection process itself is not a lot of work, but managing the per-client Loc-RIB is a memory overhead. Much of the cost in the RS is on the outbound side... sending ~100k+ routes to ~400+ clients and managing the Adj-Out. (With only one route per prefix there is not much difference between the per-client Loc-RIB and the per-client Adj-Out.) To reduce the work inside the RS to a minimum, the trick might be to ditch the Adj-Out as well: no MRAI, no tracking outbound updates, no debouncing changes, no packing of prefixes into UPDATE messages... So that the RS operates as a straight "broadcaster" of Announcements/Withdrawals as they appear on the Adj-In side -- subject only to the "peering-matrix" filtering on the way out. (The Add-Paths "Path Identifier" would effectively be a "Client Identifier", until such time as the RS allowed multiple in-coming paths per client.) Of course, this assumes that the client's BGP doesn't get too twitchy about repeat announcements or withdrawals without a previous announcement. Chris From nobody Fri Mar 21 09:22:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524291A047B for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id byfqKNulC_TP for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.mail.exa.net.uk (out-1.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.4.129]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1301A03FA for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-3.mail.exa.net.uk (smtp-3.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.5.3]) by out-3.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTP id CE7ABA007A; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:22:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.0.2.96] (office.exa-networks.co.uk [82.219.212.253]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: thomas@mangin.com) by smtp-3.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9EC596C004E; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:22:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0A2CD014-9B53-4F75-A234-7D134E50FE41"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Thomas Mangin In-Reply-To: <001701cf451d$e40fc2c0$ac2f4840$@highwayman.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:22:12 +0000 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 417111732.591402-a6ad51280ecd75f137da7d2362a77dec Message-Id: <0BD2B08E-664B-4BB6-861F-BFF6A542D564@exa-networks.co.uk> References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> <001701cf451d$e40fc2c0$ac2f4840$@highwayman.com> To: chris.hall@highwayman.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at out-2-2.mail.exa.net.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/mbH_QMXXxYpn2SPx2qkUELc1HyE Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:22:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0A2CD014-9B53-4F75-A234-7D134E50FE41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 21 Mar 2014, at 15:54, Chris Hall wrote: > RS-Clients which don't support add-paths would continue to need the > services of a draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-04, wouldn't they ? IMHO, it should simply continue to behave as it does currently, as peers = will only send one path the the RS, only the RS will send multiple path. > If the RS is required to limit the number of paths for prefix 'p' > advertised to client 'Z' on a first-come-first-served basis that would > complicate things, but perhaps not hugely. It was my initial thought but others may see things differently. > Moving *all* the selection work out to the client removes the need for > the extra 'In' filtering and the per-client Loc-RIBs. Yay ! it is likely that community filtering will still be required, but this = is trivial. > To reduce the work inside the RS to a minimum, the trick might be to > ditch the Adj-Out Resending extra NLRI should not harm the router but this point is quite = orthogonal to this draft. > [...] no packing of prefixes into UPDATE messages... I am not following you here. The incoming UPDATE will only contain one = route per NLRI. I can not see the gain you see. The capability negotiated may be different between each peer too so = update generation is not affected neither AFAICS. Thomas --Apple-Mail=_0A2CD014-9B53-4F75-A234-7D134E50FE41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlMsZzQACgkQA/52wvuLgaGwKgCeO87pFKscpunTnBq7k+kVYusf wMIAn29ZI9mqidRfEO3ilnN8t6NDjAXV =ArQd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_0A2CD014-9B53-4F75-A234-7D134E50FE41-- From nobody Fri Mar 21 10:58:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504431A09EC for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9kDcAj8qd59f for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porta.halldom.com (porta.halldom.com [80.177.246.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC5D1A09C8 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hyperion.halldom.com ([80.177.246.170] helo=HYPERION) by porta.halldom.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WR3hw-00068x-OF; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:58:16 +0000 From: "Chris Hall" To: "'idr wg'" References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <01bb01cf42ba$a6e8d220$f4ba7660$@cardona@imdea.org> <001701cf451d$e40fc2c0$ac2f4840$@highwayman.com> <0BD2B08E-664B-4BB6-861F-BFF6A542D564@exa-networks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0BD2B08E-664B-4BB6-861F-BFF6A542D564@exa-networks.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:58:11 -0000 Organization: Highwayman Message-ID: <002e01cf452f$22fba3d0$68f2eb70$@highwayman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQGkBg+4Kp4SLP5wbxoUgNIMCH96/QKKLU2pAdUFBXIClTncTAHVqKDFAYYqz4ECPJJWPQKETGe1msm2tWA= Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/riyd5HCAI6nDwm_OIJzwTtXFuYA Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:58:31 -0000 Thomas Mangin wrote (on Fri 21-Mar-2014 at 16:22 +0000): .... > On 21 Mar 2014, at 15:54, Chris Hall wrote: .... > > If the RS is required to limit the number of paths for prefix 'p' > > advertised to client 'Z' on a first-come-first-served basis that > > would complicate things, but perhaps not hugely. > It was my initial thought but others may see things differently. I cannot say this is an approach I much like... I think it would be better if the RS sent everything it had available (for each client) without having to think much (or at all). But if clients live in fear and trembling of being bombarded with an indefinite number of routes, then some kind of clamp is required -- which is not too too terrifying, provided the result is understood to be "less than optimal". But it does require some adj-out to be retained :-( > > Moving *all* the selection work out to the client removes the > > need for the extra 'In' filtering and the per-client Loc-RIBs. > it is likely that community filtering will still be required, but > this is trivial. To implement the "peering matrix" ? Or for other reasons ? For the "peering matrix" the community filtering would move from the current extra 'In' filtering to the 'Out' filtering. This doesn't save work, it just moves it from one place to another. [I have seen RS configurations where the "peering matrix" filtering was done at the 'Out' stage... but that leads to "Path Hiding" and possibly other states of sin :-(] > > To reduce the work inside the RS to a minimum, the trick might > > be to ditch the Adj-Out > Resending extra NLRI should not harm the router but this point is > quite orthogonal to this draft. If the RS is to be given licence to send duplicate announcements and unnecessary withdraws, which the RFCs at the very least discourage, and which might be flagged as exceptions by some implementations, then I would like to see that acknowledged somewhere. (I agree that such licence is not strictly anything to do with using Add-Paths, but the wish for such licence is.) > > [...] no packing of prefixes into UPDATE messages... > I am not following you here. The incoming UPDATE will only contain > one route per NLRI. I can not see the gain you see. The adj-out implementation I am most familiar with has a mechanism to collect together pending NLRI which share the same outgoing attributes. Ditching the adj-out altogether would dispense with that too. So, what I'm thinking is that incoming UPDATEs would be broadcast to clients almost verbatim... without attempting to improve on the packing of NLRI in UPDATE messages. Chris From nobody Sat Mar 22 18:45:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B751A07E2 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.39 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3p69iBjsFxFL for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crfreenet.org (mail6.crfreenet.org [IPv6:2002:515c:9101:20::10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E461A0762 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (feanor.crfreenet.org [81.92.145.132]) by mail.crfreenet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81075FD0D; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 02:45:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from santiago by localhost with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WRY4A-00024w-RE; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:23:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:23:14 +0100 From: Ondrej Zajicek To: Andy Davidson Message-ID: <20140323022314.GA6326@localhost> References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0VcWqLvekzeqUK8LmkQ6qGUvRbI Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 01:45:13 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:59:39AM +0000, Andy Davidson wrote: > Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: > > the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves > > a bunch of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. >=20 > Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug > at an IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for > the last five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any > useful add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. Hello There is a simpler way how to fix scaling issues on route servers than add-path - it is based on idea that instead of keeping N routing tables and doing N best path selections for each prefix, RS would keep just one table with paths for each prefix sorted according to path selection criteria [*] and for each client it exports the first path (in that order) that is accepted by client's export filter. This implements per-client policy control without the overhead of maintaining multiple route server RIBs. Overhead of this solution is (i guess) even smaller than overhead of a solution based on add-path (executing export filters vs. propagation of all available paths). It could also be easily combined with the add-path approach (some neighbors receive just best paths, some receive all paths using add-path) We have implemented and tested this approach and it cuts down memory consumption on NIX.CZ RS to 1/7 compared to the usual multiple RIBs approach. See slides 13-18 of: http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog57/presentations/Wednesday/wed.general.F= ilip.BIRD.16.pdf There are applications for add-path on route servers, but instead of scalability, add-path is useful for two other reasons: 1) It allows to keep client-specific routing policy completely on clients, no need to propagate it to RS through communities or other means. Note that to use this advantage, add-path cannot be limited to fixed number of paths. 2) Load balancing / multipath for clients' traffic. For this usage, just a few equally good paths are needed so limited add-path is enough, but diverse-path approach could also be used here. [*] although path selection criteria as specified by RFC 4271 are not proper ordering, there are some issues with MED selection vs. IGP metric, but these could be ignored in RS use case. --=20 Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlMuRZIACgkQw1GB2RHercOhAwCeMGQuo9yeShUUVNqB1b1tFS3o p0wAmgJdJFpqqnVuTK2vv0/5aG4mtvZO =LaJB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From nobody Sun Mar 23 03:01:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A771A0654 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.022 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0SkH4sPfjwp5 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E809D1A6F52 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id to1so4262797ieb.34 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SYn+BNfzkCOIcYqqJxtnp/bo9ulm1Wg2ZaINkMkjNbA=; b=nic/kmEBPEBrB22t4ZXon3gtz/d7f4JrvbTkyGORATqQgO6raslkw0IWr7UdLYA5LT 8khkoXkjpK9x0xoZuPCU9mdT0FmFLCo7uY3wRXc/2mDcd6TtDY72wUKKizP5eTXdmlJ6 lXAMxmu4HZ1tuNSs2zZnMSRRGkvTNv3iGWVwUjd6snd+UmxueW9xIWNbJqKjIRTGAhj7 AEKF7s7GMv2Zbwywr+jseBAw+65dS2WwZfufcvKsEUUDjV8acyoDpjUFhjlSuDzurgnt yI3CHZ6VfPCdFA97KAIsrlK8CV61fvdpEPFGEocX5wGIBajdYgw4jR0Ekk79jYP9XxbP j/SQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.134.164 with SMTP id pl4mr6054303igb.21.1395568871435; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.242.198 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:01:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140323022314.GA6326@localhost> References: <20131024204333.GS17538@pfrc> <059d01ced76c$55bea3c0$013beb40$@riw.us> <5274D371.9010002@inex.ie> <20140323022314.GA6326@localhost> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:01:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _ILOhFEhZbVWb0uS13rXgUndHpg Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Ondrej Zajicek Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/UC2N5di451e_S5C_4SOs-2jZ9LU Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:01:14 -0000 Hi Ondrej, > RS would keep just one > table with paths for each prefix sorted according to path selection > criteria [*] and for each client it exports the first path (in that > order) that is accepted by client's export filter. Are you applying the client't policy at the update generation or you run multiple best paths (one for each client) ? When exactly do you set the advertise bit to keep track which client got which path ? -- Implementation of RS I have proposed and which has been deployed uses a hybrid approach. It keeps global table just like in your case for vast majority of paths/clients. However for those clients with specific policy we only export the nets subject to such policy with all the paths to dedicated contexts (you may call it bRIBs or VRFs). That way in most deployments we do not need to have full RIB per client. During update generation we walk two tables .. global and the delta context one so client get's fully customized view without any significant burden on the RS scale and cpu. To make it more interesting if we would get into scaling there is always an idea to export to contexts only references rather then copying the actual bgp data across memory. But for all tests based on the production deployments of RS we were pretty far from any scaling limits. Best, R. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:59:39AM +0000, Andy Davidson wrote: >> Nick Hilliard wrote in November 2013: >> > the ixp community is interested in add-path/ebgp, as it solves >> > a bunch of rather nasty scaling issues on route servers. >> >> Sorry for email latency but the nasty scaling issues just got a plug >> at an IX Operators meeting (as it feels like it has every few months for >> the last five years), leading to me wanting to offer support for any >> useful add-path/ebgp work. We'd really appreciate it. > > Hello > > There is a simpler way how to fix scaling issues on route servers than > add-path - it is based on idea that instead of keeping N routing tables > and doing N best path selections for each prefix, RS would keep just one > table with paths for each prefix sorted according to path selection > criteria [*] and for each client it exports the first path (in that > order) that is accepted by client's export filter. > > This implements per-client policy control without the overhead of > maintaining multiple route server RIBs. Overhead of this solution is (i > guess) even smaller than overhead of a solution based on add-path > (executing export filters vs. propagation of all available paths). It > could also be easily combined with the add-path approach (some neighbors > receive just best paths, some receive all paths using add-path) > > We have implemented and tested this approach and it cuts down memory > consumption on NIX.CZ RS to 1/7 compared to the usual multiple RIBs > approach. See slides 13-18 of: > http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog57/presentations/Wednesday/wed.general.Filip.BIRD.16.pdf > > > There are applications for add-path on route servers, but instead of > scalability, add-path is useful for two other reasons: > > 1) It allows to keep client-specific routing policy completely on > clients, no need to propagate it to RS through communities or other > means. Note that to use this advantage, add-path cannot be limited to > fixed number of paths. > > 2) Load balancing / multipath for clients' traffic. For this usage, > just a few equally good paths are needed so limited add-path > is enough, but diverse-path approach could also be used here. > > > [*] although path selection criteria as specified by RFC 4271 are not > proper ordering, there are some issues with MED selection vs. IGP > metric, but these could be ignored in RS use case. > > > -- > Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlMuRZIACgkQw1GB2RHercOhAwCeMGQuo9yeShUUVNqB1b1tFS3o > p0wAmgJdJFpqqnVuTK2vv0/5aG4mtvZO > =LaJB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > From nobody Mon Mar 24 04:47:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79841A01DE for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 04:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i6NJljCCXpFv for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 04:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porta.halldom.com (porta.halldom.com [80.177.246.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1141A01DC for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 04:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hyperion.halldom.com ([80.177.246.170] helo=HYPERION) by porta.halldom.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WS3LL-0007GF-4q; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:47:03 +0000 From: "Chris Hall" To: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:46:57 -0000 Organization: Highwayman Message-ID: <012f01cf4756$c6017ea0$52047be0$@highwayman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: Ac9HVsFDwAmAK6OXSVWzO2XaFyFQ/Q== Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/9io6viIsR1etAVTAPxfhX5ibDUs Cc: 'Robert Raszuk' Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:47:08 -0000 On 23 Mar 2014, at 02:23, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > There is a simpler way how to fix scaling issues on route servers than > add-path - it is based on idea that instead of keeping N routing tables > and doing N best path selections for each prefix, RS would keep just one > table with paths for each prefix sorted according to path selection > criteria [*] and for each client it exports the first path (in that > order) that is accepted by client's export filter. Cute :-) In a "peering exchange" application the (great) majority of prefixes advertised to the RS have only one route, which helps. The question is how much, or how little, client policy the RS is required to implement. The minimum is the ability for the sender of a route to control who receives it. If nothing else is required, things can (as you suggest) be simplified. More generally however, if the RS is required to run proxy 'out' filters/route-maps and/or a proxy 'in' filters/route-maps, on a per client basis, then things remain complicated. To make use of the full flexibility of such proxy filtering and the per-client RIBs, the RS needs a mechanism for clients to configure those filters. I don't know how many RS have actually done that (yet)... but I have encountered some reluctance to lose the facility completely. For me, the point is that add-paths allows the problem to be finessed -- the RS can give the receiving clients full control over all routes available to them, while (a) not requiring the implementation of a means to configure equivalent per-client proxy filtering, and (b) avoiding the cost of the per-client filtering and RIB. On the destination side, eliminating the Loc-RIB and Adj-Out altogether reduces the RS's work to a minimum. However, the RS is then acting more like a broadcaster of the incoming UPDATEs, and less like a BGP speaker sending UPDATEs itself. Chris From nobody Tue Mar 25 06:39:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39261A0142; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 06:38:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tr7p3ivBJdD; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D72C1A011B; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.2.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140325133854.24806.58327.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 06:38:54 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/hlFO0qq2PyqgCJ40quEv4laVhQ4 Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-aigp-16.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:38:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Accumulated IGP Metric Attribute for BGP Authors : Pradosh Mohapatra Rex Fernando Eric C. Rosen James Uttaro Filename : draft-ietf-idr-aigp-16.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2014-03-25 Abstract: Routing protocols that have been designed to run within a single administrative domain ("IGPs") generally do so by assigning a metric to each link, and then choosing as the installed path between two nodes the path for which the total distance (sum of the metric of each link along the path) is minimized. BGP, designed to provide routing over a large number of independent administrative domains ("autonomous systems"), does not make its path selection decisions through the use of a metric. It is generally recognized that any attempt to do so would incur significant scalability problems, as well as inter-administration coordination problems. However, there are deployments in which a single administration runs several contiguous BGP networks. In such cases, it can be desirable, within that single administrative domain, for BGP to select paths based on a metric, just as an IGP would do. The purpose of this document is to provide a specification for doing so. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-aigp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-aigp-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-aigp-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 25 08:09:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759A1A01AA; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ID2ijk-JPNkh; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA3C1A0133; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.2.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20140325150849.19783.43676.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:08:49 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/shPvMpbZUwQUX-T9C_JFKJek4Co Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (The Accumulated IGP Metric Attribute for BGP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:09:00 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'The Accumulated IGP Metric Attribute for BGP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-04-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Routing protocols that have been designed to run within a single administrative domain ("IGPs") generally do so by assigning a metric to each link, and then choosing as the installed path between two nodes the path for which the total distance (sum of the metric of each link along the path) is minimized. BGP, designed to provide routing over a large number of independent administrative domains ("autonomous systems"), does not make its path selection decisions through the use of a metric. It is generally recognized that any attempt to do so would incur significant scalability problems, as well as inter-administration coordination problems. However, there are deployments in which a single administration runs several contiguous BGP networks. In such cases, it can be desirable, within that single administrative domain, for BGP to select paths based on a metric, just as an IGP would do. The purpose of this document is to provide a specification for doing so. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-aigp/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-aigp/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1160/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1159/ From nobody Wed Mar 26 04:27:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FFA1A019B for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 04:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fJ1tc5XNto5i for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 04:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crfreenet.org (gateway.crfreenet.org [81.92.146.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE411A0181 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 04:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip-89-102-22-52.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.102.22.52]) by mail.crfreenet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A22CFD02; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:27:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from santiago by localhost with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WSmaf-0007U8-4V; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:05:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:05:53 +0100 From: Ondrej Zajicek To: Chris Hall Message-ID: <20140326120553.GC6326@localhost> References: <012f01cf4756$c6017ea0$52047be0$@highwayman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O3RTKUHj+75w1tg5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <012f01cf4756$c6017ea0$52047be0$@highwayman.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/d3uNIV-kjR_GYc0Zow2CFsVjlGQ Cc: idr@ietf.org, 'Robert Raszuk' Subject: Re: [Idr] Advancing add-path X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:27:55 -0000 --O3RTKUHj+75w1tg5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:46:57AM -0000, Chris Hall wrote: > To make use of the full flexibility of such proxy filtering and the > per-client RIBs, the RS needs a mechanism for clients to configure > those filters. I don't know how many RS have actually done that > (yet)... but I have encountered some reluctance to lose the facility > completely. >=20 > For me, the point is that add-paths allows the problem to be finessed > -- the RS can give the receiving clients full control over all routes > available to them, while (a) not requiring the implementation of a > means to configure equivalent per-client proxy filtering I agree with that point (i also mentioned this advantage in my first post). But purely from the scalability point of view, the advantages of add-paths (no need to run outbound filters) must be compared with its disadvantages (significantly higher transmit load) and i guess that (at least on plaforms with efficient filters and per-client RIBs) the overall effect would be insignificant to negative. Therefore, better scalability for RSes should not be used as an argument for add-paths. > On the destination side, eliminating the Loc-RIB and Adj-Out > altogether reduces the RS's work to a minimum.=20 IMHO not significantly, Loc-RIB and Adj-Out are more conceptual objects than real parts of implementation. --=20 Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek --O3RTKUHj+75w1tg5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlMywqEACgkQw1GB2RHercPL0gCgg30ZcbHcba2ZcCQ4x/6pB8x2 d2MAniOLG+6PTZWJdm+73ZOmW1TgjpSi =nPcs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O3RTKUHj+75w1tg5--

Alia:

 

I’m sure as soon as Jon’s sees this he’ll add the = sentence.   Look for -04 in the morning. =

 

Sue

 

From:= = Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March = 19, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: Adrian Farrel; = idr@ietf.org; Jon Mitchell (GNS); idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org
Subject: RE: = AD review of draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation

 

Sue,

I don't = care about decimal vs hex.  It was just quicker to your in = hex.

I just want the IANA considerations to = say:

"Please add this document as the reference = for these two values."

Alia

On Mar 19, 2014 8:04 PM, "Susan Hares" = <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

Alia and Jon:

 

Alia - Perhaps you could note to the registries that both forms would = be helpful.

 

Jon – why not put it in as a [0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF].

 

Thanks,

 

Sue

 

 

From:= = Jon Mitchell (GNS) [mailto:Jon.Mitchell@microsoft.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51 PM
To: Alia Atlas
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation@tools.ietf.org; = idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Adrian = Farrel
Subject: Re: AD review of = draft-ietf-idr-last-as-reservation

 <= /o:p>

Alia = -

 <= /o:p>

Already = info in -03, so no issue there.  I'm unclear on the second comment, = the registries in the document are asked to be updated for both last = ASN's in the IANA considerations section already but the request is in = decimal as the registries themselves list all ASN entries in decimal. =  Am I misunderstanding the = request?

-Jon


On Mar 19, = 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi, =

 <= /o:p>

As part of my standard processing for progressing routing = drafts, I do a review of drafts before requesting IETF Last Call or = progressing the draft.  

 

This is a well-written clear draft.  I have just two = comments on it.

 <= /o:p>

First, let's keep it as Informational and see how that = goes.

 <= /o:p>

Second, could the IANA considerations section please add = this document as the reference for 0xFFFFFFFF and 0xFFFF = ?

 <= /o:p>

Once the authors have posted the updated version, we can = move on to IETF Last Call.

 <= /o:p>

Thanks,=

Alia

In the VPNV4 space we sen= d multiple copies of a subset of paths by using a unique RD. The number of = paths are generally unique when arriving from different egress speakers. IMO the challenge in the internet case is to identify the= subset of paths that that should be propagated across the topology requiri= ng fast convergence, load balancing =A1=AD.

 <= /p>

Jim Uttaro

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.= org] On Behalf Of Ilya Varlashkin
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:11 PM
To: Jakob Heitz
Cc: IETF IDR
Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

Jakob,

 

as an operator I wouldn=A1=AFt want to send several = dozen full tables between fully meshed ibgp speakers. For bigger operators = that number could probably go much higher.

 

Kind regards,

iLya

 

On 11 Mar 2014, at 23:19, Jakob Heitz <jakob.heitz@ericsson.com> wrote:



OMG, this is too hard.

How about you just send a= ll the paths and the receiver drops what it doesn=A1=AFt like after perform= ing path selection.

Then when you withdraw a = path, you have to repeat the non-withdrawn ones again.

If the receiver cares abo= ut redundancy and fast convergence for a net, it will keep more paths, else= just one.

This behavior would need = a capability.

Not cheap, but then addpa= th isn=A1=AFt cheap.

 <= /p>

Cheers,=

Jakob.<= /p>

 <= /p>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]<= span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> On Behalf Of Saikat Ray (sairay)
Sent: Tuesday, Mar= ch 11, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan;= Pierre Francois
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr]= Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

Vincent:

 

Are you trying to efficientl= y distribute the =A1=B0quota=A1=B1 of paths among the neighbors? E.g., if R= TB can only accept 10 paths and has 2 neighbors, RTA, and RTZ, if it is known to RTB that RTA can only send 3 paths, then it can request 7 p= aths from RTZ instead of requesting 5 paths from both. If this is what you = are thinking of, then

 

= (i)   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; RTA wouldn=A1=AFt really know in advance how many paths it will have that woul= d be eligible to be sent to RTB. The number of paths may be different from = one route to another. Even the number of neighbors of RTA isn=A1=AFt always= an upper bound =A8C some of RTA=A1=AFs neighbor might be using add-path.

= (ii)   &nb= sp;            The capabilities are usually sent in parallel (i.e. RTB and RTA would independ= ently format their capabilities and send them to each other as soon as the = tcp connection comes up). Having a dependency here is not desirable.=

= (iii)   &n= bsp;           Do you have any concrete use case?

 

Thanks.

 

From: Idr [mail= to:idr-bounces@ietf.org]&n= bsp;On Behalf Of Zhuangshunwan
Sent: Friday, Marc= h 07, 2014 3:02 AM
To: Pierre Francoi= s
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr]= Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

E.g.

 

Sender      &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;Receiver

RTA------------------------------------RTB

 

RTA can send M paths, RTB wants the limit nu= mber to N,

 

If RTB knows that the Send upper bound of RTA, so RTB can figure out the appropriate number for N.

 

 <= /p>

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<= b>: Pierre Francois [mailto:pierre.francois@imdea.org] 
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:&nbs= p;2014=C4=EA3=D4=C27=C8=D5 1:18
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Zhuangshunwan=
=B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00

 

 

 

Dear Vincent, 

 

Thank you for your comment. 

 

What do you mean by "tuning on demand"?

To me, the limit on what the operator wants to recei= ve was not depending on 

what the sender is capable of sending.  

 

Do you see a case where this would be different?

 

Regards, 

 

Pierre.

 

 

On Mar 6, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangsh= unwan@huawei.com> wrote:

 

Dear Authors,

I have a comme= nt, see inline begins with identifier [Vincent].

=A1=AD

[draft-francois-idr-addpath-limit-00] defines the ADD-PA= TH Limit capability:

2. The ADD-PATH Limit capability

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

[Vincent] :

If limit-capable= bit is set to 1, maybe we can add a field called =A1=AESend upper bound=A1= =AF to signal

the upper bounds= specified by the sender.

+------------------------------------------------+

| Address Family Identifier (2 octets)       = ;    |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Subsequent Address Family Identifier (1 octet) |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Flags(1 octet)          &nb= sp;            =           |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Receive bound (2 octet)         =             &nb= sp;  |

+------------------------------------------------+

| Send upper bound (2 octet)        &nb= sp;            = |

+-----------= -------------------------------------+

 

Benefit: Receiver can know sender=A1=AFs capability, and= convenient for tuning the receive bound on demand.

 

 

Regards,

Vincent

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