From thomas.mangin@gmail.com Sat Jul 26 04:28:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B161ABB17 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UboXtTM0Z2tD for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30AF71A8BB5 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hi2so2195659wib.4 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=c7GotbavNWGvSNcPPSPPo+hTRCBKs+QX6gMuajCy0pA=; b=hvrMDICaN+C2bY/Bkoeerfu9so7W4JDhCkuwioAMbobXkqpHUVTpjhLOy5N7cWHISu pktxcQ0BgQX8BYuxGmrhuKYG4EqnJGZL38hh/mvY1lk9T2kAriBfzh1HrIcwinavkjod KqlCIQbg/RKFRYbsZB0Wsi18woYqVX3LPeAq3WaxkqUhu/PqtlzH1c2h3x7352lDqAHH /u59LDtBewrWm9/ygld9mE2gTzQYMjOoBGDhMp1YSMDQvcRS63ZhH7+khpEY9z1gjQts gn7EWAD4hJem3yy1wVkA78dYh66S6XcvTdluwfrik34KhedniOty1ueJbAZs2bMVPV3e mYIg== X-Received: by 10.180.10.166 with SMTP id j6mr13061998wib.73.1406374114729; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.74.53.233] ([31.74.53.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ja13sm6559021wic.8.2014.07.26.04.28.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Thomas Mangin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:28:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <590AF9FB-BEC4-4861-922E-C59CDA574C1F@gmail.com> References: <1182CAE9-EFC9-4283-8A84-7A84FB7C25ED@exa-networks.co.uk> To: "sairay@cisco.com" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/-1-GdJAIsenyzHlMgITjTDN9ldk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:41:46 -0700 Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] partial bit set for AS4_PATH X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:54:35 -0000 Thank you - I clearly missed that .. will fix the code accordingly. Sorry fo= r the noise. --- from my iPhone > On 26 Jul 2014, at 12:58, "Saikat Ray \(sairay\)" wrote= : >=20 > If there is a BGP speaker in the middle that doesn't understand AS4_PATH, > you would get the attribute with the Partial bit set to 1. >=20 > =46rom 4271: >=20 > " If a > path with an unrecognized transitive optional attribute is accepted > and passed to other BGP peers, then the unrecognized transitive > optional attribute of that path MUST be passed, along with the path, > to other BGP peers with the Partial bit in the Attribute Flags octet > set to 1. If a path with a recognized, transitive optional attribute > is accepted and passed along to other BGP peers and the Partial bit > in the Attribute Flags octet is set to 1 by some previous AS, it MUST > NOT be set back to 0 by the current AS. Unrecognized non-transitive > optional attributes MUST be quietly ignored and not passed along to > other BGP peers. > " >=20 > On 7/26/14, 1:20 AM, "Thomas Mangin" > wrote: >=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I have found recently that an implementation of BGP is encoding the >> AS4_PATH attribute, setting the PARTIAL flag [1] >> I do not see anything in RFC 4893 about setting this flag. >>=20 >> How an implementation should handle this case .. Is it an error or not ? >> Perhaps idr-draft-error-handling should have some wording about AS4_PATH ?= >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> Thomas >>=20 >> [1] https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp/issues/150 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Aug 12 03:18:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07201A082A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 03:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uwHX0nYjRg_d for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 03:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56D161A03A5 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 03:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTP id 709B31B3A1A; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:16:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta21.imdea.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iKg8zXjGBnmh; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:16:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.16.1.147] (unknown [193.145.14.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: juancamilo.cardona) by estafeta21.imdea.org (imdea mail daemon) with ESMTPSA id 364CA1B3A19; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:16:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Camilo Cardona In-Reply-To: <20140812100657.11478.45542.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:18:15 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04648918-DF06-4046-8D59-A9B907582FFA@imdea.org> References: <20140812100657.11478.45542.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "idr@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rUwpw_jmWPVftVcSn-bQZScVTxk Cc: Jeffrey Haas , thomas.mangin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:18:27 -0000 Hello everyone, We just submitted a new version of draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths. We = modified the first document based on variuos comments, notably from Andy = Davidson and Thomas Mangin.=20 We welcome further feedback or suggestions of changes that can improve = the document. Thanks, Camilo Cardona On 12 Aug 2014, at 12:06, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Camilo Cardona and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths > Revision: 01 > Title: ADD-PATH for Route Servers > Document date: 2014-08-12 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 6 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-01.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths/ > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-01 > Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-francois-idr-rs-addpaths-01 >=20 > Abstract: > BGP speakers at Internet Exchange Points typically exchange routes > with a large number of peers. To reduce the burden of maintaining > many sessions, IXPs implement and administrate BGP route servers. > Route servers announce to their clients the paths of multiple peers > by using a single eBGP session. Route servers, however, are > restricted to propagating a single path per NLRI per eBGP session. > This constraint affects the diversity of paths received by clients. > To overcome this limitation, we propose the extension of ADD-PATH to > eBGP peers. ADD-PATH allows a BGP speaker to send multiple paths = for > the same NLRI, typically through different nexthops, over a single > session with a peer. By supporting ADD-PATH, a route server hence > allows a client to potentially select among all the available paths > for that NLRI, instead of the one arbitrarily chosen by the Route > Server. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 From nobody Tue Aug 12 10:52:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577491A02E9 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J2guMNunF8Vu for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADB41A0158 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.178.111; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:52:28 -0400 Message-ID: <006201cfb656$2f502d20$8df08760$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CFB634.A83FC5A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac+2Uhr8QZTRVCLxSxWkgLBOhdPrnw== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KSLYJRrDliE-ky05mmLhhGzljzY Cc: 'John Leslie' , "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] Draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:52:41 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CFB634.A83FC5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a 1 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis for IPR for the authors starting on 8/12 ending on 8/19. The draft has passed WG LC, but the Chairs welcome any additional WG LC comments during this 1 week IPR call. Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CFB634.A83FC5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CFB634.A83FC5A0-- From nobody Tue Aug 12 11:00:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3971A047C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chowMe7JB5w0 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512311A047B for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D1212C2AC; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:00:43 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20140812180043.GL12728@pfrc> References: <006201cfb656$2f502d20$8df08760$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006201cfb656$2f502d20$8df08760$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/razTLIEv9myjQDZ8OME_fJcX55k Cc: idr wg , draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis@tools.ietf.org, 'John Leslie' , "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] Draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:00:45 -0000 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 01:52:28PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This is a 1 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis > for IPR for the authors starting on 8/12 ending on 8/19. The draft has > passed WG LC, but the Chairs welcome any additional WG LC comments during > this 1 week IPR call. Thank you, Sue. As seen in RFC 5575, Juniper has IPR on Flowspec. This draft creates no additional IPR on the feature. -- Jeff From nobody Thu Aug 14 06:53:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D131A061D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 06:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVOTBRS8WgDx for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F9A01A046D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7EDqYil021110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:52:34 -0400 Received: (from jrmitche@localhost) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id s7EDqYB0021109 for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:52:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:52:34 -0400 From: Jon Mitchell To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Te-1AJfgL0rTeSfblW46Geq95o8 Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:53:05 -0000 All - Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which further peering session information could be learned. Thanks in advance, Jon and the other authors -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell (GNS); John Scudder Subject: New Version Notification for draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery Revision: 01 Title: BGP Auto Discovery Document date: 2014-08-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 13 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 Abstract: This document describes a method for automating portions of a router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. This method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External BGP peering sessions. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Thu Aug 14 12:53:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11FD1A8728 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.868 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.868 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8G66sMROVQxI for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com [209.65.160.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77EFA1A8721 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.2-0) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 1a31de35.0.2111250.00-2124.5922949.nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:53:06 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 53ed13a2319b704f-a1f967064cf9458014219eb96cd6e750d4ed3623 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7EJr4Xf001973; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:53:05 -0400 Received: from mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.241]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7EJqq4W001442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:52:59 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.ITServices.sbc.com (MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.itservices.sbc.com [130.9.129.152]) by mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:52:36 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSRCD.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.4.153]) by MISOUT7MSGHUBAH.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.9.129.152]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:52:36 -0400 From: "UTTARO, JAMES" To: "'Jon Mitchell'" , "'idr@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft Thread-Index: AQHPt8canrZ8JL4vZ0+wjJqQr+WjEZvQgyrw Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:52:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> In-Reply-To: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.225.192] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=PalIcFdd c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=8rs7E4WtfFcA:10 a=utqFbw-AIIMA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=eTt] X-AnalysisOut: [-v0ErOssA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zQP7CpK] X-AnalysisOut: [OAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=FSJeW7EIf1KBWP] X-AnalysisOut: [GaUaUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2mLzDuUFM-0A:10 a=lZB815dzVvQ] X-AnalysisOut: [A:10 a=LO6SE7brTkSJlS6L:21 a=lQjoMBP4qml_ntot:21] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/zHCNkln_rBS2SxuHEadXyUGPnvI Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:53:10 -0000 Jon, What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it primarily dir= ected to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider application? It= would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. Jim Uttaro -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft All - Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which further peering session information could be learned. Thanks in advance, Jon and the other authors -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell (GNS); John Scudder Subject: New Version Notification for draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery Revision: 01 Title: BGP Auto Discovery Document date: 2014-08-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 13 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.= txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 Abstract: This document describes a method for automating portions of a router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. This method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External BGP peering sessions. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Thu Aug 14 13:04:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529161A8736 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f7EeqZ4_biFT for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B1B21A872E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h18so14707894igc.0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Dsnk1GXeX/PV3cIXbYasK5s/WbTfcZ3eILKHG3ENbMY=; b=A4CqRcb0NPhA5/Ygd8Ko0mfWnWNKd2KRzJMPK/ln7tBPdCqKu8EkRVSCAzF3blsJZ1 iaiF0fUjNc6Msu4AzBdYwnGOt/wgARKywPPeIARKtnvRszWeCT5RAu7OlcyZa1vfcAkh BhU5DoRFO6+wKlMvyLOqJzdI/jdXEM6woMhlrpw6tioak6uVE3fTtxcR/OXpd5OPqCKI a3/DY93SNbTFBYQV+GcQly9qeGcf7CMBGdtD3OjebrcdZ4G51GoOTxat/ya2CnUFyTET WifKsJVJ6BQhY2DGVgQR+DtUauM704U5OcOD/zuFygeUJexGmPxZK409KOKe7KWmww7T kEVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.43.225 with SMTP id z1mr19978752igl.17.1408046667480; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.32.141 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:04:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _TyhD3BdcS9lwT23og41vJSoV5s Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "UTTARO, JAMES" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/nIPXgzyGgHIuWybjEzPDOT-gGxM Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:04:30 -0000 Jim, This work is hardly applicable to DC environment. In DC IP Fabric you either peer with direct eBGP between network nodes or peer with IBGP to RR. It does not make much sense to provide full IBGP mesh between all P. Full IBGP Mesh is useful between PE/ASBR nodes as well as between ASBRs in the IX env. Both use cases are already described in the draft see "Section 1 History" Thx, r. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:52 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > Jon, > > What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it primarily directed to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider application? It would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. > > Jim Uttaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft > > > > All - > > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > further peering session information could be learned. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jon and the other authors > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM > To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > (GNS); John Scudder > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > Revision: 01 > Title: BGP Auto Discovery > Document date: 2014-08-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 13 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > Diff: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > Abstract: > This document describes a method for automating portions of a > router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to > establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. > This > method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External > BGP > peering sessions. > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri Aug 15 14:29:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274D51A06F1 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4VfyfIEMgEK4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4B701A06F0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7FLR1PV015946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:27:01 -0400 Received: (from jrmitche@localhost) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id s7FLR1KW015945; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:27:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:27:01 -0400 From: Jon Mitchell To: Robert Raszuk Message-ID: <20140815212701.GA13795@puck.nether.net> References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/3UfbofT1Iun60vlorcNLn0kQVvA Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "UTTARO, JAMES" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:29:54 -0000 Hesitant to say not DC applicable, generally I agree with Robert on the main use cases and this does not seem the easiest solution for p2p CloS sessions. However, in various enterprise, DC, and SP networks more and more monitoring and route injection peerings are prevalent and advertising these endpoints is an interesting possibility as well for this draft. Cheers, Jon On 14/08/14 22:04 +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Jim, > > This work is hardly applicable to DC environment. > > In DC IP Fabric you either peer with direct eBGP between network nodes > or peer with IBGP to RR. It does not make much sense to provide full > IBGP mesh between all P. > > Full IBGP Mesh is useful between PE/ASBR nodes as well as between > ASBRs in the IX env. > > Both use cases are already described in the draft see "Section 1 History" > > Thx, > r. > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:52 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > > Jon, > > > > What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it primarily directed to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider application? It would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. > > > > Jim Uttaro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM > > To: idr@ietf.org > > Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft > > > > > > > > All - > > > > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > > further peering session information could be learned. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jon and the other authors > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM > > To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > > (GNS); John Scudder > > Subject: New Version Notification for > > draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > > Revision: 01 > > Title: BGP Auto Discovery > > Document date: 2014-08-11 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 13 > > URL: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > Status: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ > > Htmlized: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > Diff: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes a method for automating portions of a > > router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to > > establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. > > This > > method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External > > BGP > > peering sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Sat Aug 16 06:42:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E5F1A87C4 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lvic9-pz3WSz for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9046C1A87C3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.135.200.118] (mobile-198-228-234-123.mycingular.net [198.228.234.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7GDf9YT010119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:41:10 -0400 References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <3370E962-EEB2-4B75-A567-C6590248C1F5@puck.nether.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) From: Jared Mauch Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:42:19 -0400 To: "UTTARO, JAMES" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/3Z2CYII4taBaDB3WRTyGWiq5_U8 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:42:25 -0000 Cisco has supported (for years) an ACL method of allowing new BGP peers with= out explicitly configuring them in advance.=20 I can dig out pointers if that helps Jared Mauch > On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:52 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES" wrote: >=20 > Jon, >=20 > What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it primarily d= irected to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider application? I= t would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. >=20 > Jim Uttaro >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft >=20 >=20 >=20 > All - >=20 > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > further peering session information could be learned. >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Jon and the other authors >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM > To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > (GNS); John Scudder > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > Revision: 01 > Title: BGP Auto Discovery > Document date: 2014-08-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 13 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01= .txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > Diff: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a method for automating portions of a > router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to > establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. > This > method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External > BGP > peering sessions. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Sat Aug 16 06:53:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D211A0A9B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q71UYONVuw7n for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EBF91A0AA3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id p10so3366663wes.16 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Xis3R/OKtFzyZlgw56T69w5z33re1RYCi5/gtt47Lz4=; b=n1cUBm5MQGatNQQxX58q1BWpjEXQ3Dq19ZDUcfvWuutVg4Kc2pIKCFN9fb0W3DAPHX 2vkG+QXWk43Zs5GLHaMzqdaqxhKV26nxF2Iv8C1//1O000f5E8r9KMFJ9m30W17BaRW1 +xGLWM+ykarvSjxqva3BsWhtcephAVDhjGulj5/+RBuVjrO4clGDHVgHDvC2cwOenvhc Gn+cOzP9nrFrmECTLIjNM6jyfP6YpKqdnrqbi3wMzR4aMvq9yrVJVumYbij+LPKi4B4d ivAwN5NvSod+fY5BEQoZ9II/MywbAZsgh0rU2Nq+BMmn3FDSFMb1c1tCBH6kbn21W6gb kWKw== X-Received: by 10.194.200.37 with SMTP id jp5mr1345737wjc.120.1408197186562; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [100.121.33.222] (37.30.228.58.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl. [37.30.228.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wb10sm19630560wjc.36.2014.08.16.06.53.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: =?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Bromirski?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12A4345d) In-Reply-To: <3370E962-EEB2-4B75-A567-C6590248C1F5@puck.nether.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:53:01 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <50EC9538-2524-4A3B-81DB-D78572D8F5DA@gmail.com> References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> <3370E962-EEB2-4B75-A567-C6590248C1F5@puck.nether.net> To: Jared Mauch Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/K5gltgN2MT3yv4a28EI57aVAp-c Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "UTTARO, JAMES" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:53:10 -0000 Not necessarily ACL (as far as I remember), but simply defined prefix, but y= es it does and the feature is called BGP Dynamic Neighbors. --=20 ./ > On 16 Aug 2014, at 16:42, Jared Mauch wrote: >=20 > Cisco has supported (for years) an ACL method of allowing new BGP peers wi= thout explicitly configuring them in advance.=20 >=20 > I can dig out pointers if that helps >=20 > Jared Mauch >=20 >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:52 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES" wrote: >>=20 >> Jon, >>=20 >> What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it primarily d= irected to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider application? I= t would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. >>=20 >> Jim Uttaro >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM >> To: idr@ietf.org >> Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> All - >>=20 >> Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into >> the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a >> number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which >> further peering session information could be learned. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance, >>=20 >> Jon and the other authors >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM >> To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; >> Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell >> (GNS); John Scudder >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the >> IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery >> Revision: 01 >> Title: BGP Auto Discovery >> Document date: 2014-08-11 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 13 >> URL: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-0= 1.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ >> Htmlized: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 >> Diff: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01= >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document describes a method for automating portions of a >> router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to >> establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. >> This >> method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External >> BGP >> peering sessions. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at >> tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Sat Aug 16 06:59:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A361A87D7 for ; 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boundary=089e01228e0c7d9ea60500bf8c83 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/c5EYU_hS2kRPUgNt7Oh2QVGRy0Q Cc: idr wg , ju1738@att.com Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:59:55 -0000 --089e01228e0c7d9ea60500bf8c83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jared, What typu are describing has not much in common with the draft. Likewise it will hardly help Jon in his use case too since he may have 10s of controllers/reflectors each serving different application so he wants to avoid touching by script each edge or compute node in order to keep adding or deleting bgp sessions. Best, R. On Aug 16, 2014 3:42 PM, "Jared Mauch" wrote: > Cisco has supported (for years) an ACL method of allowing new BGP peers > without explicitly configuring them in advance. > > I can dig out pointers if that helps > > Jared Mauch > > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:52 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES" wrote: > > > > Jon, > > > > What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it > primarily directed to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider > application? It would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. > > > > Jim Uttaro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM > > To: idr@ietf.org > > Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft > > > > > > > > All - > > > > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > > further peering session information could be learned. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jon and the other authors > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM > > To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > > (GNS); John Scudder > > Subject: New Version Notification for > > draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > > Revision: 01 > > Title: BGP Auto Discovery > > Document date: 2014-08-11 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 13 > > URL: > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > Status: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ > > Htmlized: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > Diff: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes a method for automating portions of a > > router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to > > establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. > > This > > method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External > > BGP > > peering sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --089e01228e0c7d9ea60500bf8c83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jared,

What typu are describing has not much in common with the dra= ft.

Likewise it will hardly help Jon in his use case too since h= e may have 10s of controllers/reflectors each serving different application= so he wants to avoid touching by script each edge or compute node in order= to keep adding or deleting bgp sessions.

Best,
R.

On Aug 16, 2014 3:42 PM, "Jared Mauch"= <jared@puck.nether.net>= wrote:
Cisco has supported (for years) an ACL method of allowing new BGP peers wit= hout explicitly configuring them in advance.

I can dig out pointers if that helps

Jared Mauch

> On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:52 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com> wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is= it primarily directed to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wide= r application? It would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. >
> Jim Uttaro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft
>
>
>
> All -
>
> Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into=
> the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft.=C2=A0 The idea is applicable= in a
> number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from w= hich
> further peering session information could be learned.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jon and the other authors
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internet-drafts@ietf= .org [mailto:internet-draft= s@ietf.org]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM
> To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > (GNS); John Scudder
> Subject: New Version Notification for
> draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 01
> Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BGP Auto Discovery
> Document date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2014-08-11
> Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
> Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 13
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--089e01228e0c7d9ea60500bf8c83-- From nobody Mon Aug 18 10:53:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F321A070A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:53:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PceRtQGf1Hi4 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6FD1A0706 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F1297C49D; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:53:55 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Jon Mitchell Message-ID: <20140818175355.GH30106@pfrc> References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/RT7AHuid6kIxpYf-ZkbnQR6SjDw Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:53:57 -0000 On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:52:34AM -0400, Jon Mitchell wrote: > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > further peering session information could be learned. The route server (or router-introducer in this context) cases are definitely the easiest to see, especially in the IXP environment. I think the bigger challenge outside of that environment is envisioning the use case. If I've gone to the hassle of configuring enough of a peering session with a reflector just to learn what routers are in my network, what's the goal? Is it to have a dynamically generated peering mesh configured? How will that vary from the reflector I'm talking to? Etc. Also, what are the considerations around authentication of the routers? If you require pair-wise session keys, is the auto discovery mechanism meant to bootstrap that as well? -- Jeff From nobody Mon Aug 18 11:47:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF031A0AE3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKXI1-iIETZZ for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x236.google.com (mail-qc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 905661A0AE2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id i8so5299151qcq.13 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=B/hF3337vr+x07ymaqszvuKBALnOOrdoRX17/7C9apA=; b=fFnF3QKZS9ztchgoKGd36KuIlg2amuB/zHL9etzm8W7RLHGNU4KSm7Zefzw3qieYoa F7fIAJWL37ad3T+Vu6yF8eV9F0xmcCKlyF/ixqQyB4exXQmKmQVcK0ArZfR+DDjwVn0I slUYQV2ByDWAzlkK16IW7KFUqSZ0lSPwjY7iz6p1c4O1AOq80BPr8aUbhblhcdQ/YK1w UB314d3alkG+yaKwzFkyuxCHhUqqSKmrsDcZq4sW2pxgdn5u/87x/amT1jXPp7rw09sv zDBzkjJluNWF3m4fD/r5WSv5A8YdoBV5wM2uCcj8IsS8h9c7sk/cHfI1y2jmW21oA2v6 IA3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.93.161 with SMTP id d30mr55475599qge.53.1408387630771; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.48.73 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140818175355.GH30106@pfrc> References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> <20140818175355.GH30106@pfrc> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:47:10 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 74CXwm0qjzgbxnYZrnXE-5WiuL4 Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Jeffrey Haas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113b977670369a0500ebcc7b Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/VgkRFO3VxDDpQM5x9iLDgtQrTmA Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:47:13 -0000 --001a113b977670369a0500ebcc7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Jeff, To your first point RR will not carry any other AFI/SAFI other then discovery so if you ink about the gain it is immediately in $$$ to avoid building say BGP-LS RR clusters. To your second point reg authenitcation the story is this .. In my+Pedro's original idea we limited it to IBGP for a purpose .. To locally distribute the keys like you configure any other bgp paramters or to just use prefix acl (like Lukasz mentioned) for dynamic mesh. For IX or EBGP at this stage we did not roll any new authentication distribution in this draft as problem is either trivial you distribute it by email or much more complex in general and requires a separate work. Which is btw very welcome ;) Best, R. On Monday, August 18, 2014, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:52:34AM -0400, Jon Mitchell wrote: > > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > > further peering session information could be learned. > > The route server (or router-introducer in this context) cases are > definitely > the easiest to see, especially in the IXP environment. I think the bigger > challenge outside of that environment is envisioning the use case. > > If I've gone to the hassle of configuring enough of a peering session with > a > reflector just to learn what routers are in my network, what's the goal? > Is > it to have a dynamically generated peering mesh configured? How will that > vary from the reflector I'm talking to? Etc. > > Also, what are the considerations around authentication of the routers? If > you require pair-wise session keys, is the auto discovery mechanism meant > to > bootstrap that as well? > > -- Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --001a113b977670369a0500ebcc7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff,

To your first point RR will not carry any other= AFI/SAFI other then discovery so if you ink about the gain it is immediate= ly in $$$ to avoid building say BGP-LS RR clusters.

To your second point reg authenitcation the story is this ..

In my+Pedro's original idea we limited it to IBGP for a= purpose .. To locally distribute the keys like you configure any other bgp= paramters or to just use prefix acl (like Lukasz mentioned) for=C2=A0dynam= ic mesh.

For IX or EBGP=C2=A0at this stage we did not roll any n= ew authentication distribution in this draft as problem is either trivial y= ou distribute it by email or much more complex in general and requires a se= parate work. Which is btw very welcome ;)

Best,
R.=C2=A0

On Monday, August = 18, 2014, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org= > wrote:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:52:34AM -0400, Jon Mitchell wrote:
> Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into=
> the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft.=C2=A0 The idea is applicable= in a
> number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from w= hich
> further peering session information could be learned.

The route server (or router-introducer in this context) cases are definitel= y
the easiest to see, especially in the IXP environment.=C2=A0 I think the bi= gger
challenge outside of that environment is envisioning the use case.

If I've gone to the hassle of configuring enough of a peering session w= ith a
reflector just to learn what routers are in my network, what's the goal= ?=C2=A0 Is
it to have a dynamically generated peering mesh configured?=C2=A0 How will = that
vary from the reflector I'm talking to?=C2=A0 Etc.

Also, what are the considerations around authentication of the routers?=C2= =A0 If
you require pair-wise session keys, is the auto discovery mechanism meant t= o
bootstrap that as well?

-- Jeff

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--001a113b977670369a0500ebcc7b-- From nobody Mon Aug 18 13:54:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22781A6F96 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.868 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.868 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TT24BFIamSbv for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com [209.65.160.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72A8C1A6F7B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.229.24] (EHLO alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-7.2.2-0) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id cf762f35.0.3838472.00-2051.10736640.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:54:21 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 53f267fd030801e3-03707f6c0737bce7d79297b822053b732fa6dda6 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7IKsJor019951; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:54:20 -0400 Received: from mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.239]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7IKsCi5019809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:54:15 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:54:00 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSRCD.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.4.153]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:54:00 -0400 From: "UTTARO, JAMES" To: "'Jon Mitchell'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" Thread-Topic: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft Thread-Index: AQHPt8canrZ8JL4vZ0+wjJqQr+WjEZvQgyrwgABGPICAAalngIAEaW5w Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:54:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> <20140815212701.GA13795@puck.nether.net> In-Reply-To: <20140815212701.GA13795@puck.nether.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.40.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=b98FFK6x c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=8rs7E4WtfFcA:10 a=utqFbw-AIIMA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=zej] X-AnalysisOut: [o8pAoHN8A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zQP7CpK] X-AnalysisOut: [OAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=SLhmivjiAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8] X-AnalysisOut: [ a=Z-zTVVrb03Mb22J0B_oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA] X-AnalysisOut: [:10 a=Hz7IrDYlS0cA:10 a=Kue1EbTMZodmPDvq:21 a=1owqQjOCLZ2W] X-AnalysisOut: [i-70:21] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/LnVrUWZqoWxcx7edS1m9kQedVXE Cc: "'idr@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:54:23 -0000 Jon, I thought the use case would relate to the fact that a certain subset of n= odes ( Leafs ) are intended as BGP speakers in the CLOS topo.. If these cou= ld be identified then they could establish sessions with each other or a de= signated RR. As the topo is small a case could be made that peering is not = concerned with regions, exit points... In this manner you would not have to= configure each individually. How would this draft be used to designate a c= ertain subset of nodes should be automatically peered together and not othe= rs. As an ex. It may be desirable to create regional peering design in a V= PN network and then use that in conjunction with policy to identify certain= inter-provider exit points ( VPN Network ). Has a network whereby 3107 is = used to create the IGP underlay been considered? Jim Uttaro -----Original Message----- From: Jon Mitchell [mailto:jrmitche@puck.nether.net]=20 Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:27 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: UTTARO, JAMES; idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft Hesitant to say not DC applicable, generally I agree with Robert on the main use cases and this does not seem the easiest solution for p2p CloS sessions. However, in various enterprise, DC, and SP networks more and more monitoring and route injection peerings are prevalent and advertising these endpoints is an interesting possibility as well for this draft. Cheers, Jon On 14/08/14 22:04 +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Jim, >=20 > This work is hardly applicable to DC environment. >=20 > In DC IP Fabric you either peer with direct eBGP between network nodes > or peer with IBGP to RR. It does not make much sense to provide full > IBGP mesh between all P. >=20 > Full IBGP Mesh is useful between PE/ASBR nodes as well as between > ASBRs in the IX env. >=20 > Both use cases are already described in the draft see "Section 1 History" >=20 > Thx, > r. >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:52 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > > Jon, > > > > What do you envision as the field of use of this work? Is it pr= imarily directed to DC using BGP or do you believe that it has a wider appl= ication? It would be helpful to add this reqs/FOU info to the doc.. > > > > Jim Uttaro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Mitchell > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:53 AM > > To: idr@ietf.org > > Subject: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft > > > > > > > > All - > > > > Interested in feedback on the merge of a couple of previous ideas into > > the below BGP auto(peer) discovery draft. The idea is applicable in a > > number of scenarios where there is a "bootstrap" peer from which > > further peering session information could be learned. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jon and the other authors > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:58 AM > > To: Jon Mitchell (GNS); Robert Raszuk; Warren Kumari; John Scudder; > > Warren Kumari; Keyur Patel; Keyur Patel; Robert Raszuk; Jon Mitchell > > (GNS); John Scudder > > Subject: New Version Notification for > > draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery > > Revision: 01 > > Title: BGP Auto Discovery > > Document date: 2014-08-11 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 13 > > URL: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery= -01.txt > > Status: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery/ > > Htmlized: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-01 > > Diff: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-= 01 > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes a method for automating portions of a > > router's BGP configuration via discovery of BGP peers with which to > > establish further sessions from an initial "bootstrap" router. > > This > > method can apply for establishment of either Internal or External > > BGP > > peering sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Aug 18 14:17:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CD21A6F7B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.636 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.636 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id og7gtBApvE39 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52CA1A6F7A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B5E8C49D; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:17:30 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Robert Raszuk Message-ID: <20140818211730.GI30106@pfrc> References: <20140814135234.GA17770@puck.nether.net> <20140818175355.GH30106@pfrc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FawHY3TTG-uqciB-ZeVwNuJmEIg Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP autodiscovery draft X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:17:31 -0000 Robert, On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 08:47:10PM +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote: > To your first point RR will not carry any other AFI/SAFI other then > discovery so if you ink about the gain it is immediately in $$$ to avoid > building say BGP-LS RR clusters. The draft does call out explicitly that you *could* lay this on top. But yes, this could be a very inexpensive bit of BGP software to serve for bootstrapping. > To your second point reg authenitcation the story is this .. > > In my+Pedro's original idea we limited it to IBGP for a purpose .. To > locally distribute the keys like you configure any other bgp paramters or > to just use prefix acl (like Lukasz mentioned) for dynamic mesh. Understood. Traditional promiscuous peering configuration tends to simply be "if you are part of this prefix list, peering is allowed". However, I think the days where networks are comfortable with even internal unauthenticated (although ACLed) sessions may be coming to an end. I'd suggest if such a feature as this is being offered, it should think about authentication. > For IX or EBGP at this stage we did not roll any new authentication > distribution in this draft as problem is either trivial you distribute it > by email or much more complex in general and requires a separate work. > Which is btw very welcome ;) For ebgp, I don't believe this has much of a use case. 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E=Sophos;i="5.04,375,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="71327355" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2014 22:05:14 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com [173.37.183.75]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7LM5Egu003032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:05:14 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.176]) by xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([173.37.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:05:13 -0500 From: "Andy Karch (akarch)" To: Ravi M R , "robert@raszuk.net" , "Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw)" , "dmcpherson@verisign.com" , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Thread-Index: Ac+9NQcjdPPgj3zOQOaNzIZg1JQtRAAUhW/g Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:05:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: <36efc752a51544c18f0e31ca5ee534ed@BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <36efc752a51544c18f0e31ca5ee534ed@BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.154.209.249] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/h3Q_-4SEUh67xlwi_coSUqrD7dY Subject: Re: [Idr] clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:05:35 -0000 Hi Ravi, You're correct in pointing out the error. This was already found, but the u= pdate hasn't been posted yet. The intention is to have 80-104 as there is = 24 bits (6 bytes) of payload in the prefix, so the hex changes to 0x50 for = the offset. Please note the prefix offset and length have been swapped back to length b= efore offset. There is some history around this where a request was made t= o have offset before length (for readability and coding), before any known = implantation existed. Later an implementation was revealed to be shipping= , so it was reverted. In the example, the intention is to demonstrate that the offset "don't care= " bits are not included in the prefix encoding. They would just be 0's any= way. This is consistent with unicast prefixes where only enough bytes for = *length* bits are encoded and the trailing bits are irrelevant. Similarly,= we only need "length minus offset bits" (as worded in draft) to encode Flo= wSpec's prefix, with the added prefix offset dimension. This does not requ= ire octet boundaries. For example, the prefix with offset 5 and length 11 = would require 6 bits (1 byte -- b 11111100), but if you enforced octet boun= daries, it would require 2 bytes (b 00000111 11100000). I'll include a more verbose example to demonstrate this point. Thanks, -Andy Type 2 - Source IPv6 Prefix Encoding: Defines the source prefix to match. Prefix offset has been defined to allow for flexible matching on part of the IPv6 address where we want to skip (don't care) of N first bits of the address. This can be especially useful where part of the IPv6 address consists of an embedded IPv4 address and matching needs to happen only on the embedded IPv4 address. The encoded prefix contains enough octets for the bits used in matching (length minus offset bits). -----Original Message----- From: Ravi M R [mailto:mrravi@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:43 AM To: robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@verisign.com;= Andy Karch (akarch); idr@ietf.org Subject: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Authors, In the example given in section-3 of draft, "80-" represents the prefix of= fset of 80 bits". This seems to be wrong and should be 64 instead of 80. --Extract from draft begin--- The following example demonstrates the new prefix encoding for: "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/80-104 from 192::/8 and port {range [137, 139] or 8080}". In the destination prefix, "80-" represents the prefix offset of 80 bits. In this exmaple, the 0 offset is omitted from the printed source prefix. +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | destination | source | port | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | 0x01 40 68 12 34 56 78 9A | 02 00 08 c0 | 04 03 89 45 8b 91 1f 90 | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ --Extract from draft end--- Also is it required that prefix-offset should be at byte boundry (i.e. mult= iples of 8)?=20 If not, then providing an example in draft will be helpful as encoding/deco= ding can involve tedious bit level operations in such cases. Ex: offset is 13 bits and prefix length is 110 bits for a IPv6 address. In = this case, 97 bits from 13th to 110 bit should be encoded in NLRI. Thanks & Regards, Ravi From nobody Fri Aug 22 01:22:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91F71A013B; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 01:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AnoiFZEIWmAP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 01:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 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<20140820002030.18902.50278.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <29476_1408695761_53F6FDD1_29476_12929_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF9207DB14@OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:15:04 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CLvZmOFfGxOhVD0pGrYNOzdERQQ Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01228e0c5e32690501351c28 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/j33MRDlbY5R0QOjmbgVXZanE270 Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , liuweihang , ju1738@att.com Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:15:07 -0000 --089e01228e0c5e32690501351c28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephane, Is FS even comparable to openflow? Are you one of them who believes that SDN =3D OF ? P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of information is required to be present in large number of locations. I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more and more types of data is not right direction. How about Opflex ? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00 Best, R. On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC > filters being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4) > > Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 > interface may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...)= . > > Route distinguisher may be is missing ... > > Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about the > evolution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. FS > is a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do w= e > really need to work with multiple address families for each type of > "service"/"interface type" to filter or do we need to have a more global > model where we would be able to put any type of filter any where and appl= y > multiple actions (openflow like FS). Compared to openflow, FS has the mag= ic > to enable multipoint distribution of actions. > > Best Regards, > > Stephane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11 > To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org' > Cc: liuweihang > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for > draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > Hi Jim, > Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated as > following: > > EVPN FlowSpec Session > EVPN FlowSpec Session > DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress > PE-----------------------------Ingress PE------CE2 > > | > > CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec sessio= n > with Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL rule, the > ACL rule is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec protocol, then t= he > egress PE announces it to ingress PE, finally ingress PE installs the ACL > rule for traffic filtering. > DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function, it > doesn't need to support basic EVPN function. > Thanks > weiguo > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 = 0:29 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org' > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowsp= ec-evpn-00.txt > > Weiguo, > > I would like to better understand how a remote PE will "learn" > that it needs to deliver a FS path to the ingress PE?? It cannot come fro= m > the CE as that is data plane learning. I would think that all FS paths ha= ve > to be disseminated by a centralized controller. > > Jim Uttaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM > To: idr@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org > Cc: liuweihang > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for > draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > Hi All, > We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules > for EVPN". I will appriciate if you can give us some suggestions and > comments. > Thanks > weiguo > > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@ie= tf.org] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 = 8:20 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhuang= shunwan; liuweihang; > Haoweiguo > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-e= vpn-00.txt > > A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for EVPN > Document date: 2014-08-20 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 7 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/ > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00 > > > Abstract: > This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Ethernet traffic > filtering in EVPN network. 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Stephane,

Is FS even comparable to openflow?

Are you one of them who believes that SDN =3D OF ?

P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of informatio= n is required to be present in large number of locations.

I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more= and more types of data is not right direction.

How about Opflex ?

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00

Best,
R.

On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote= :
Hi,

I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC filt= ers being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4)

Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 interf= ace may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...).

Route distinguisher may be is missing ...

Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about the ev= olution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. FS is = a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do we rea= lly need to work with multiple address families for each type of "serv= ice"/"interface type" to filter or do we need to have a more= global model where we would be able to put any type of filter any where an= d apply multiple actions (openflow like FS). Compared to openflow, FS has t= he magic to enable multipoint distribution of actions.

Best Regards,

Stephane


-----Original Message-----
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.= org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11
To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org= 9;; 'l2vpn@ietf.org'
Cc: liuweihang
Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-i= dr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt

Hi Jim,
Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated as fol= lowing:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 E= VPN FlowSpec Session=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 EVPN FlowSpec Session
DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress PE----------------= -------------Ingress PE------CE2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec session with = Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL rule, the ACL ru= le is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec protocol, then the egres= s PE announces it to ingress PE, finally ingress PE installs the ACL rule f= or traffic filtering.
DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function, it d= oesn't need to support basic EVPN function.
Thanks
weiguo
________________________________________
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 0:= 29
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.= org'
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec= -evpn-00.txt

Weiguo,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would like to better understand how a remote = PE will "learn" that it needs to deliver a FS path to the ingress= PE?? It cannot come from the CE as that is data plane learning. I would th= ink that all FS paths have to be disseminated by a centralized controller.<= br>
Jim Uttaro

-----Original Message-----
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.= org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM
To: idr@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org
Cc: liuweihang
Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-i= dr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt

Hi All,
We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specification Rul= es for EVPN".=C2=A0 I will appriciate if you can give us some suggesti= ons and comments.
Thanks
weiguo

________________________________________
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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhuangsh= unwan; liuweihang; Haoweiguo
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evp= n-00.txt

A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF reposi= tory.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dissemination of Flow Specificatio= n Rules for EVPN
Document date:=C2=A0 2014-08-20
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7
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Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Ethernet tra= ffic
=C2=A0 =C2=A0filtering in EVPN network. A new BGP NLRI type (AFI=3D25, SAFI= =3DTBD)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0value is proposed to identify EVPN flow-spec application. A ne= w
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boundary=089e013cbb8a57d4b80501380f53 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/BS-g0oUUn7EyWWX8yljR7lYMbbs Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org, "idr@ietf.org" , liuweihang , "ju1738@att.com" Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:46:14 -0000 --089e013cbb8a57d4b80501380f53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Is FS even comparable to openflow? > > [SLI] It may be used in a similar way You must be joking ... Best, R. > > P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of information is required to be present in large number of locations. > > [SLI] Right, and there are plenty of applications beyond DDoS. > > > > I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more and more types of data is not right direction. > > [SLI] I don=E2=80=99t really see why you=E2=80=99re talking about RTC the= re =E2=80=A6 > > > > How about Opflex ? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00 > > [SLI] May be another tool in the tool chest =E2=80=A6 > > > > Best, > R. > > On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC filters being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4) > > Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 interface may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...). > > Route distinguisher may be is missing ... > > Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about the evolution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. FS is a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do we really need to work with multiple address families for each type of "service"/"interface type" to filter or do we need to have a more global model where we would be able to put any type of filter any where and apply multiple actions (openflow like FS). Compared to openflow, FS has the magic to enable multipoint distribution of actions. > > Best Regards, > > Stephane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11 > To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org' > Cc: liuweihang > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > Hi Jim, > Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated as following: > > EVPN FlowSpec Session EVPN FlowSpec Session > DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress PE-----------------------------Ingress PE------CE2 > | > CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec session with Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL rule, the ACL rule is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec protocol, then the egress PE announces it to ingress PE, finally ingress PE installs the ACL rule for traffic filtering. > DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function, it doesn't need to support basic EVPN function. > Thanks > weiguo > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 = 0:29 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org' > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowsp= ec-evpn-00.txt > > Weiguo, > > I would like to better understand how a remote PE will "learn" that it needs to deliver a FS path to the ingress PE?? It cannot come from the CE as that is data plane learning. I would think that all FS paths have to be disseminated by a centralized controller. > > Jim Uttaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM > To: idr@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org > Cc: liuweihang > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > Hi All, > We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for EVPN". I will appriciate if you can give us some suggestions and comments. > Thanks > weiguo > > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@ie= tf.org] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 = 8:20 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhuang= shunwan; liuweihang; Haoweiguo > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-e= vpn-00.txt > > A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for EVPN > Document date: 2014-08-20 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 7 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/ > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00 > > > Abstract: > This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Ethernet traffic > filtering in EVPN network. A new BGP NLRI type (AFI=3D25, SAFI=3DTBD) > value is proposed to identify EVPN flow-spec application. A new > subset of component types and extended community also are defined. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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> Is FS even comparable to openflow?
>
> [SLI] It may be used in a similar way

You must be joking ...

Best,
R.

>
> P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of information is requi= red to be present in large number of locations.
>
> [SLI] Right, and there are plenty of applications beyond DDoS.
>
> =C2=A0
>
> I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more and more = types of data is not right direction.
>
> [SLI] I don=E2=80=99t really see why you=E2=80=99re talking about RTC = there =E2=80=A6
>
> =C2=A0
>
> How about Opflex ?
>
> http://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00
>
> [SLI] May be another tool in the tool chest =E2=80=A6
>
> =C2=A0
>
> Best,
> R.
>
> On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC= filters being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4)
>
> Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 i= nterface may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...). >
> Route distinguisher may be is missing ...
>
> Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about t= he evolution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. F= S is a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do w= e really need to work with multiple address families for each type of "= ;service"/"interface type" to filter or do we need to have a= more global model where we would be able to put any type of filter any whe= re and apply multiple actions (openflow like FS). Compared to openflow, FS = has the magic to enable multipoint distribution of actions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Stephane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11
> To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org'
> Cc: liuweihang
> Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-= hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
>
> Hi Jim,
> Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated a= s following:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 EVPN FlowSpec Session=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 EVPN FlowSpec Session
> DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress PE-----------= ------------------Ingress PE------CE2
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec session w= ith Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL rule, the AC= L rule is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec protocol, then the e= gress PE announces it to ingress PE, finally ingress PE installs the ACL ru= le for traffic filtering.
> DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function,= it doesn't need to support basic EVPN function.
> Thanks
> weiguo
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8821=E6=97= =A5 0:29
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@= ietf.org'
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flo= wspec-evpn-00.txt
>
> Weiguo,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would like to better understand how a re= mote PE will "learn" that it needs to deliver a FS path to the in= gress PE?? It cannot come from the CE as that is data plane learning. I wou= ld think that all FS paths have to be disseminated by a centralized control= ler.
>
> Jim Uttaro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM
> To: idr@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org
> Cc: liuweihang
> Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-= hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
>
> Hi All,
> We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specificatio= n Rules for EVPN".=C2=A0 I will appriciate if you can give us some sug= gestions and comments.
> Thanks
> weiguo
>
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@ietf.org]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8820=E6=97= =A5 8:20
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhu= angshunwan; liuweihang; Haoweiguo
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspe= c-evpn-00.txt
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF r= epository.
>
> Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-hao-idr-flowspec-e= vpn
> Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
> Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dissemination of Flow Specifi= cation Rules for EVPN
> Document date:=C2=A0 2014-08-20
> Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
> Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7
> URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ietf.= org/internet-drafts/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
> Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/
> Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-id= r-flowspec-evpn-00
>
>
> Abstract:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Etherne= t traffic
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0filtering in EVPN network. A new BGP NLRI type (AFI=3D25,= SAFI=3DTBD)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0value is proposed to identify EVPN flow-spec application.= A new
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0subset of component types and extended community also are= defined.
>
>
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
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[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9DY279o5nLsE; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x22b.google.com (mail-ig0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99BB41A0382; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l13so15237158iga.4 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tRuyExeJfDzvmWvhRtoFJhgNirX+6M04RhRqJd7Sudg=; b=B9pwxRlodv2NryaCSGJ7lP+2FmNDdjEiwY224CxAw+7sOE6f+BbqUm3hzKsqw7cijs JHBpRlEWhAm068BEUIJESgLKHU/ZMmEboSmnnUNYPivBeOY8H+MOchCca2UDuMqidrAc 9CwHRhr1JpblF2UFx2A4/k78pk/Bq2CG84wrIa5CuNNWjaOZrCpGFjZ5qLQQcpcQhEAn 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Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/T4pt3qEyNnACHBqw_nGQOifrF4M Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org, "idr@ietf.org" , liuweihang Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:04:45 -0000 --089e0122a7544f3cdd05013ad5f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, Can you name one serious vendor which will let you directly add state to their distributed (read LC based) FIB by openflow ? Alternatively can you described any real policy push which will be able to work full p2mp (no src filtering) yet still meet your goals ? /* Stephane .. that was my RTC point */ Best regards, R. On Aug 22, 2014 6:34 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES" wrote: > Robert, > > > > Why can=E2=80=99t it be used in a similar way? > > > > Jim Uttaro > > > > *From:* rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Rober= t > Raszuk > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2014 9:46 AM > *To:* > *Cc:* l2vpn@ietf.org; liuweihang; UTTARO, JAMES; idr@ietf.org; Haoweiguo > *Subject:* RE: [Idr] New Version Notification for > draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > > > > > Is FS even comparable to openflow? > > > > [SLI] It may be used in a similar way > > You must be joking ... > > Best, > R. > > > > > P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of information is > required to be present in large number of locations. > > > > [SLI] Right, and there are plenty of applications beyond DDoS. > > > > > > > > I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more and more > types of data is not right direction. > > > > [SLI] I don=E2=80=99t really see why you=E2=80=99re talking about RTC t= here =E2=80=A6 > > > > > > > > How about Opflex ? > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00 > > > > [SLI] May be another tool in the tool chest =E2=80=A6 > > > > > > > > Best, > > R. > > > > On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC > filters being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4) > > > > Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 > interface may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...)= . > > > > Route distinguisher may be is missing ... > > > > Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about the > evolution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. FS > is a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do w= e > really need to work with multiple address families for each type of > "service"/"interface type" to filter or do we need to have a more global > model where we would be able to put any type of filter any where and appl= y > multiple actions (openflow like FS). Compared to openflow, FS has the mag= ic > to enable multipoint distribution of actions. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Stephane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11 > > To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org' > > Cc: liuweihang > > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for > draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > > > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated as > following: > > > > EVPN FlowSpec Session > EVPN FlowSpec Session > > DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress > PE-----------------------------Ingress PE------CE2 > > > | > > > CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec > session with Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL > rule, the ACL rule is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec > protocol, then the egress PE announces it to ingress PE, finally ingress = PE > installs the ACL rule for traffic filtering. > > DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function, > it doesn't need to support basic EVPN function. > > Thanks > > weiguo > > ________________________________________ > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8821=E6=97= =A5 0:29 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org= ' > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flow= spec-evpn-00.txt > > > > Weiguo, > > > > I would like to better understand how a remote PE will "learn" > that it needs to deliver a FS path to the ingress PE?? It cannot come fro= m > the CE as that is data plane learning. I would think that all FS paths ha= ve > to be disseminated by a centralized controller. > > > > Jim Uttaro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM > > To: idr@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org > > Cc: liuweihang > > Subject: [Idr] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for > draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > > > Hi All, > > We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specification Rule= s > for EVPN". I will appriciate if you can give us some suggestions and > comments. > > Thanks > > weiguo > > > > ________________________________________ > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@= ietf.org] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8820=E6=97= =A5 8:20 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhua= ngshunwan; liuweihang; > Haoweiguo > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec= -evpn-00.txt > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF > repository. > > > > Name: draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for EVPN > > Document date: 2014-08-20 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 7 > > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/ > > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00 > > > > > > Abstract: > > This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Ethernet traffic > > filtering in EVPN network. 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Hi Jim,

Can you name one serious vendor which will let you directly = add state to their distributed (read LC based) FIB by openflow ?

Alternatively can you described any real policy push which w= ill be able to work full p2mp (no src filtering) yet still meet your goals = ?

/* Stephane .. that was my RTC point */

Best regards,
R.

On Aug 22, 2014 6:34 PM, "UTTARO, JAMES&quo= t; <ju1738@att.com> wrote:

Robert,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why can= =E2=80=99t it be used in a similar way?

=C2=A0

Jim Uttaro<= /span>

=C2=A0

From: rraszuk@gmail.com [mail= to:rraszuk@gmail.com= ] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 9:46 AM
To: <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.o= rg; liuweihang; UTTARO, JAMES; idr@ietf.org; Haoweiguo
Subject: RE: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowsp= ec-evpn-00.txt

=C2=A0


> Is FS even comparable to openflow?
>
> [SLI] It may be used in a similar way

You must be joking ...

Best,
R.

>
> P2MP distribution has advantage when same type of information is requi= red to be present in large number of locations.
>
> [SLI] Right, and there are plenty of applications beyond DDoS.
>
> =C2=A0
>
> I think the attempt to build directed arcs with RTC for more and more = types of data is not right direction.
>
> [SLI] I don=E2=80=99t really see why you=E2=80=99re talking about RTC = there =E2=80=A6
>
> =C2=A0
>
> How about Opflex ?
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-opflex-00
>
> [SLI] May be another tool in the tool chest =E2=80=A6
>
> =C2=A0
>
> Best,
> R.
>
> On Aug 22, 2014 10:22 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is a valuable addition, but I would like to see these MAC= filters being applicable also to IPv4 plugs (FS IPv4 & VPNv4)
>
> Moreover , the new AFI/SAFI should not be restricted to EVPN, any L2 i= nterface may be interested by such filter (VPLS, basic L2 switching ...). >
> Route distinguisher may be is missing ...
>
> Now more globally, may be it's time to think more globally about t= he evolution of FS. I pretty see FS evolution largely beyond DDoS domain. F= S is a very good protocol for SDN applications. The question behind is do w= e really need to work with multiple address families for each type of "service"/"interface type" t= o filter or do we need to have a more global model where we would be able t= o put any type of filter any where and apply multiple actions (openflow lik= e FS). Compared to openflow, FS has the magic to enable multipoint distribution of actions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Stephane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 04:11
> To: UTTARO, JAMES; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org'
> Cc: liuweihang
> Subject: [Idr] =E7= =AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec= -evpn-00.txt
>
> Hi Jim,
> Thanks for your comments. The BGP Flowspec procedures is illustrated a= s following:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 EVPN FlowSpec Session=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 EVPN FlowSpec Session
> DDOS Detection Appliance--------------------------Egress PE-----------= ------------------Ingress PE------CE2
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 CE1 DDOS Detection Appliance establishes EVPN flowspec session w= ith Egress PE, it detects DDOS attack traffic and generate ACL rule, the AC= L rule is announced to Egress PE through EVPN flowspec protocol, then the egress PE announces it to ingr= ess PE, finally ingress PE installs the ACL rule for traffic filtering.
> DDOS Detection Appliance only needs to support EVPN flowspec function,= it doesn't need to support basic EVPN function.
> Thanks
> weiguo
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA= : UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738= @att.com]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97= =B4: 2014=E5=B9=B4= 8=E6=9C=882= 1=E6=97=A5 0:29 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; 'idr@ietf.org'; 'l2vpn@ietf.org'
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: liuweihang
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: New Version Notificat= ion for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
>
> Weiguo,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would like to better understand how a re= mote PE will "learn" that it needs to deliver a FS path to the in= gress PE?? It cannot come from the CE as that is data plane learning. I wou= ld think that all FS paths have to be disseminated by a centralized controller.
>
> Jim Uttaro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:31 PM
> To: idr@ietf.org= ; l2vpn@ietf.org
> Cc: liuweihang
> Subject: [Idr] =E7= =AD=94=E5=A4=8D: New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec= -evpn-00.txt
>
> Hi All,
> We have submitted a draft of " Dissemination of Flow Specificatio= n Rules for EVPN".=C2=A0 I will appriciate if you can give us some sug= gestions and comments.
> Thanks
> weiguo
>
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA= : internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@ietf.org]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97= =B4: 2014=E5=B9=B4= 8=E6=9C=882= 0=E6=97=A5 8:20 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA: Zhuangshunwan; Haoweiguo; liuweihang; Zhuangshunwan; liuw= eihang; Haoweiguo
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification = for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Weiguo Hao and posted to the IETF r= epository.
>
> Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-hao-idr-flowspec-e= vpn
> Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
> Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dissemination of Flow Specifi= cation Rules for EVPN
> Document date:=C2=A0 2014-08-20
> Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
> Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7
> URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt<= br> > Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://data= tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn/
> Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00
>
>
> Abstract:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Etherne= t traffic
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0filtering in EVPN network. A new BGP NLRI type (AFI=3D25,= SAFI=3DTBD)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0value is proposed to identify EVPN flow-spec application.= A new
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0subset of component types and extended community also are= defined.
>
>
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> The IETF Secretariat
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Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "UTTARO, JAMES" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/CwvylgKo0gQgneuy8LsClouC4pA Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , liuweihang Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:30:41 -0000 > Hi Jim, > > Can you name one serious vendor which will let you directly add state to > their distributed (read LC based) FIB by openflow ? > > [Jim U>] I would not presume that folks will not try to incorporate openflow > into their existing networks. Good luck ! > IMO this is not trivial. You are very correct here. > I am confused as to your statement that FS cannot do similar things to OF.. Well this discussion is well beyond email one I am afraid. For someone who spend last three years with goal to use openflow I can rest assure you that OF does not go any good to push policy to end points, nor it does any good to push policy to RIBs. If I compare the portfolio forces in fact could be made much closer to compliment I2RS then OF is today with their research 1.x version. And this is not about OF believes/religion .. this is all about L3 mindset vs L2 mindset of folks involved. Most OF folks are happy to run 5 L2/L3 (same segment) pings to prove their solution is rock solid. Some folks with some years of large scale routing behind their belts are however a bit different in the way they build networks .... Best, R. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/N1rKku3NItQddaqQ07vxYoBaeCA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Idr] clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:43:02 -0000 Hi Authors, In the example given in section-3 of draft, "80-" represents the prefix of= fset of 80 bits". This seems to be wrong and should be 64 instead of 80. --Extract from draft begin--- The following example demonstrates the new prefix encoding for: "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/80-104 from 192::/8 and port {range [137, 139] or 8080}". In the destination prefix, "80-" represents the prefix offset of 80 bits. In this exmaple, the 0 offset is omitted from the printed source prefix. +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | destination | source | port | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | 0x01 40 68 12 34 56 78 9A | 02 00 08 c0 | 04 03 89 45 8b 91 1f 90 | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ --Extract from draft end--- Also is it required that prefix-offset should be at byte boundry (i.e. mult= iples of 8)?=20 If not, then providing an example in draft will be helpful as encoding/deco= ding can involve tedious bit level operations in such cases. Ex: offset is 13 bits and prefix length is 110 bits for a IPv6 address. In = this case, 97 bits from 13th to 110 bit should be encoded in NLRI. Thanks & Regards, Ravi From nobody Mon Aug 25 21:24:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACEE1A0721 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o09B3hLNlFzi for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D27191A071D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:24:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4147; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409027053; x=1410236653; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=/1BE6oIHbhTnc0DyKSpJzFOIVTdMyWXe8iOM5orNMzk=; b=dUD3hEXYmy35IYzxSBwZzIcAN2Pp+7TUgnkpO56BeB40XXeJScvLaWAD WwmZu0DOjDEqfji+8KxsrvUlHELd4VobKvNqM7WCObD2Io+jaf9zPdR7D LI+K2RyZFg1GJVNCkOEDq4wYlCuauFLvvfA99lGVWsaLzHJCj+F9sJ2jq Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAHkL/FOtJA2B/2dsb2JhbABagw2BKgTUIQGBHBZ3hAMBAQEEOksEAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcyFAkIAQEEARIIiDq+DBePGz6DKYEdBYYRixWgL4FkHoFcbIFIgQcBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,401,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="72319354" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 04:24:12 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7Q4OApG020982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:24:10 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.176]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([fe80::200:5efe:173.37.183.34%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 23:24:10 -0500 From: "Andy Karch (akarch)" To: Ravi M R , "robert@raszuk.net" , "Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw)" , "dmcpherson@verisign.com" , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Thread-Index: Ac+9NQcjdPPgj3zOQOaNzIZg1JQtRAAUhW/gANeHBcA= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:24:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <36efc752a51544c18f0e31ca5ee534ed@BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.253.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rzG-6InFX-X0H8qEveKFKzDQnKg Subject: Re: [Idr] clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:24:14 -0000 Hi Ravi, My apologies on the previous reply... The text should read "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/64-104". The paylo= ad is 5 bytes (40 bits).=20 The encoding below remains the same. -Andy -----Original Message----- From: Andy Karch (akarch)=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:05 PM To: 'Ravi M R'; robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@v= erisign.com; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Ravi, You're correct in pointing out the error. This was already found, but the u= pdate hasn't been posted yet. The intention is to have 80-104 as there is = 24 bits (6 bytes) of payload in the prefix, so the hex changes to 0x50 for = the offset. Please note the prefix offset and length have been swapped back to length b= efore offset. There is some history around this where a request was made t= o have offset before length (for readability and coding), before any known = implantation existed. Later an implementation was revealed to be shipping= , so it was reverted. In the example, the intention is to demonstrate that the offset "don't care= " bits are not included in the prefix encoding. They would just be 0's any= way. This is consistent with unicast prefixes where only enough bytes for = *length* bits are encoded and the trailing bits are irrelevant. Similarly,= we only need "length minus offset bits" (as worded in draft) to encode Flo= wSpec's prefix, with the added prefix offset dimension. This does not requ= ire octet boundaries. For example, the prefix with offset 5 and length 11 = would require 6 bits (1 byte -- b 11111100), but if you enforced octet boun= daries, it would require 2 bytes (b 00000111 11100000). I'll include a more verbose example to demonstrate this point. Thanks, -Andy Type 2 - Source IPv6 Prefix Encoding: Defines the source prefix to match. Prefix offset has been defined to allow for flexible matching on part of the IPv6 address where we want to skip (don't care) of N first bits of the address. This can be especially useful where part of the IPv6 address consists of an embedded IPv4 address and matching needs to happen only on the embedded IPv4 address. The encoded prefix contains enough octets for the bits used in matching (length minus offset bits). -----Original Message----- From: Ravi M R [mailto:mrravi@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:43 AM To: robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@verisign.com;= Andy Karch (akarch); idr@ietf.org Subject: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Authors, In the example given in section-3 of draft, "80-" represents the prefix of= fset of 80 bits". This seems to be wrong and should be 64 instead of 80. --Extract from draft begin--- The following example demonstrates the new prefix encoding for: "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/80-104 from 192::/8 and port {range [137, 139] or 8080}". In the destination prefix, "80-" represents the prefix offset of 80 bits. In this exmaple, the 0 offset is omitted from the printed source prefix. +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | destination | source | port | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | 0x01 40 68 12 34 56 78 9A | 02 00 08 c0 | 04 03 89 45 8b 91 1f 90 | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ --Extract from draft end--- Also is it required that prefix-offset should be at byte boundry (i.e. mult= iples of 8)?=20 If not, then providing an example in draft will be helpful as encoding/deco= ding can involve tedious bit level operations in such cases. Ex: offset is 13 bits and prefix length is 110 bits for a IPv6 address. In = this case, 97 bits from 13th to 110 bit should be encoded in NLRI. 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http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/6m4bVmpICuC9b-5nDwq_U4KFK_s Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:12:15 -0000 --_000_D0220DF56EF3Cjefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: Susan Hares > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 8:56 AM To: idr wg > Cc: Alia Atlas > Subject: [Idr] WG LC This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/26/2014 a= nd ending 9/6/2014. The draft can be accessed at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ Please include in your call =93support or no support=94. This call also a= sk the authors to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft. Sue --_000_D0220DF56EF3Cjefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <504416E05B020E4FB4F9469EF26B975F@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 8= :56 AM
To: idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: Alia Atlas <akatlas@juniper.net>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC

This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migrati= on starting 8/26/2014 and ending 9/6/2014.

 

The draft can be accessed at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migr= ation/

 

Please include in your call =93support or no support= =94.   This call also ask the authors to indicate if there is any= IPR related to the draft.

 

Sue

--_000_D0220DF56EF3Cjefftantsuraericssoncom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 10:30:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDF11A004E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.168 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.168 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l74KyBK8l_MY for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1F1A1A0045 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4704; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409074246; x=1410283846; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=b9QQIfV8RssY2fcvkqaMUmWGtQds8ldO1Y1XtBxyV2w=; b=fiQ8AmaxQAG/YKXGD1iqp08mHD2w8tk6eP6Hge4kY8HvxLNlX6TDWxKW pK0iRi3heSBYd0DLdqA/qjDI3vX9Azj+ZIPwilAeFnJKjEygJbgYb28bs NzMVF6z7Y7oXErkDS+be7hgF9iL6hC10l51g9fsvo2HeCqkeypX5YFAHo 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAILD/FOtJV2Q/2dsb2JhbABbgkdGU1cEslKYIoFjh00BgRUWd4QDAQEBBC1MEAIBCA4DBAEBCx0HMhQJCAEBBAENBQiIOg2/LRePGzEGAYMvgR0FkSaEKYhSkzSDXmyBSIEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,405,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="72503770" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 17:30:45 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QHUjkR007104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:30:45 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com ([169.254.7.120]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:30:45 -0500 From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC Thread-Index: Ac/BReTO0pJPTvXCTT6RAuhkpoMwRwADYoIw Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B2411C377E8@xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com> References: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.210.131] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B2411C377E8xmbalnx12ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/pOWhN2QJEhvEEpVEGYfGihq9rHQ Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:30:47 -0000 --_000_67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B2411C377E8xmbalnx12ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Support G/ From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: 26 August 2014 17:56 To: idr wg Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: [Idr] WG LC This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/26/2014 a= nd ending 9/6/2014. The draft can be accessed at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ Please include in your call "support or no support". This call also ask t= he authors to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft. Sue --_000_67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B2411C377E8xmbalnx12ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, Support

 

G/

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 26 August 2014 17:56
To: idr wg
Cc: Alia Atlas
Subject: [Idr] WG LC

 

This is a 2 week WGT LC on draf= t-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/26/2014 and ending 9/6/2014.

 

The draft can be accessed at: <= o:p>

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-ietf-idr-as-migration/

 

Please include in your call = 220;support or no support”.   This call also ask the author= s to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft.

 

Sue

--_000_67832B1175062E48926BF3CB27C49B2411C377E8xmbalnx12ciscoc_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 11:37:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48AA1A010C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k_OmA9D-3IEf for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFE61A0108 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.192.52; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0253_01CFC13B.34D18010" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com X-IsFriend: Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/RWsMjWwdjEXnzV4O9hAPhjYFrs8 Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" , shares@ndzh.com Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:37:15 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0253_01CFC13B.34D18010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to review these drafts carefully. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_0253_01CFC13B.34D18010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is = a WG LC for

 

  = = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/<= /o:p>

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/=

 

Please respond with comments and “support or no = support.”  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors = to provide IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: = due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these three = reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and = draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedback = (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone’s = ability to review these drafts carefully.

 

Thank = you,

 

Sue Hares and John = Scudder

------=_NextPart_000_0253_01CFC13B.34D18010-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 11:41:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B87F1A015B for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EuYEvOwj3yF6 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E91E41A00DE for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-d5-53fc7ffd98b1 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 11.23.05330.DFF7CF35; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:40:54 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQv//0WQA Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:40:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D02222A96EFA4jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt+7f+j/BBmdPGli8uv2MyWLj/x3s Fn/evGJxYPZY0v2eyWPJkp9MHrNfX2cNYI7isklJzcksSy3St0vgyri5r5OpYI5pxYKG36wN jN36XYycHBICJhLP9v1hh7DFJC7cW8/WxcjFISRwlFHi3f3zrCAJIYHljBIrp0aC2GwCBhL/ vx1nAbFFBBwkbje0A9VwcDALqEi82MQPEhYWSJJY8vQOM0RJssTF7/Ogyo0kfi++xQhiswio Svw+uZENxOYVMJd4N2cSM8QqM4m+o7PAajiB4gePHQerYQS67fupNUwgNrOAuMStJ/OZIG4W kFiy5zwzhC0q8fLxP7CTRQX0JD5NOQdVoyixr386O0RvjMS09a9YIfYKSpyc+YRlAqPYLCRj ZyEpm4WkDCJuIPH+3HxmCFtbYtnC11C2vsTGL2cZIWxriauvz7Aiq1nAyLGKkaO0OLUsN93I YBMjMC6PSbDp7mDc89LyEKMAB6MSD++CqD/BQqyJZcWVuYcYpTlYlMR5Z9XOCxYSSE8sSc1O TS1ILYovKs1JLT7EyMTBKdXAuGZSg+atdTp3dFQ8y6qskuflKm28bLM96US16XNZK1mm9c9d DM7fS73XEODgXmyc8vOi+Y7QldKX9td6P/OSnjTpcMumrWuKLDefCXqqy2fBsvqw07Ln586n GW/dNun52duTL5csZPlmk2OSmzHx+uzj2z59cPNUEvm57bh9vMGkSb/DVoZU5iixFGckGmox FxUnAgA6vKdzrAIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/JuShxUV15J_NFCO8_xLs_hGwYzI Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:41:06 -0000 --_000_D02222A96EFA4jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: Susan Hares > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" >, "shares@ndzh.com" > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and =93support or no support.=94 This WG LC a= lso includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefu= lly. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_D02222A96EFA4jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <0CD781782DF66C4E86A5DC4115B7B7CB@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1= 1:37 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" &= lt;jgs@bgp.nu>, "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf= -idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and =93support or no su= pport.=94  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provi= de IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefully. <= /o:p>

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 --_000_D02222A96EFA4jefftantsuraericssoncom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 11:54:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DD71A017A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FeBVKeP4duBZ for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0145.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAB9E1A0108 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hannes-mba.local (66.129.239.14) by DM2PR05MB445.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.104.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1015.19; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:54:39 +0000 Received: from juniper.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by hannes-mba.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC9D25C380; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:54:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:54:35 +0200 From: Hannes Gredler To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20140826185435.GB9579@juniper.net> References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Originating-IP: [66.129.239.14] X-ClientProxiedBy: BY2PR06CA048.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.250.166) To DM2PR05MB445.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.104.154) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 03152A99FF X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(24454002)(189002)(199003)(76176999)(54356999)(74662001)(101416001)(105586002)(15202345003)(74502001)(99396002)(92726001)(47776003)(20776003)(85306004)(83072002)(97756001)(230783001)(95666004)(66066001)(15975445006)(80022001)(106356001)(81342001)(64706001)(76482001)(50986999)(31966008)(92566001)(46102001)(83322001)(33656002)(102836001)(77096002)(86362001)(87976001)(83506001)(85852003)(79102001)(21056001)(46406003)(36756003)(4396001)(90102001)(77982001)(19580405001)(107046002)(76506005)(19580395003)(23726002)(110136001)(50466002)(81542001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR05MB445; H:hannes-mba.local; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/YQLjkJmmgxsj4iW9q82h1bpL0eg Cc: idr@ietf.org, "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:54:42 -0000 i do not know about IPR beyond http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1864/ /hannes On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:37:04PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: | This is a WG LC for | | | | [1]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ | | [2]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ | | | | Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG LC also | includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. | | | | Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling | these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and | draft-ietf-as-migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or | private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to review | these drafts carefully. | | | | Thank you, | | | | Sue Hares and John Scudder | | References | | Visible links | 1. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ | 2. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | Idr@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Aug 26 12:48:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA241A0181 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.968 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.968 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34JeL8hkokTp for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs-a.tc.umn.edu (vs-a.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.107]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E561A0270 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by vs-a.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:48:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176] #+LO+TS+TR X-Umn-Classification: local Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id tr6so12299464ieb.35 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umn.edu; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version :to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GwoNp78GlMZKIFiwM7NDC9hVLxfKFUzUCzAKq0B7ndY=; b=S348cDij7XGgQ2WRXXePIByQ7khW1JBV2XPGZ4sxGXmWigKfCpNVYW3NIFej3X50jf wq59yQbU8vBK52FaM2JVw25PNlurydcJ2D3jkHDfXOPBnHat/U014pDCTyP24VJR2qOB KJdyn/mPkWyFPWLPafbiq6jU2LoFqwE9zlq1U= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GwoNp78GlMZKIFiwM7NDC9hVLxfKFUzUCzAKq0B7ndY=; b=gTO4i/W+wibKy97h72Jw3EozzPMvDgpvgo54aQTNmgYOgzaZiNsjaTFaOT5u6N8a/J khOyrx+CFVxDIRNfBNWWvbIQmTlY+88yrX4pxRmcEv2JUu4Sh5Nz5VZJvIxgBbeBZxW6 bFlukJ2AShVZptI6uVQEWmIgsoCfUcjC5/aGhD8p1UCBF8gNAJOb/upOnQ0U4vkxd+E9 t73kG6/hYynPKJH9k/t+tUvsTL4SkXcAJTn38warO70g5+uTpvDmeq2GlPXC2mxm+snZ IDB/zHmlYEeFGj4t+A65dRkzGF/FReD0UTTG5AK4avexiH4o9gqkJ+yVS7rFGhATOXlq wsKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmgfhenkV9HdaSPJNK40pkhBmLvRlvM/ip/TzskwuA0hJ8FKaRXzVCTMK7eMLZjMAc8qMtH+VYRdwXj8E5FdCaEVae7IjGMkXpz7J+efMGDPjFE8wjS7t+pFfhGHFqfXWgOoznN X-Received: by 10.50.21.3 with SMTP id r3mr23430142ige.13.1409082489152; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.21.3 with SMTP id r3mr23430123ige.13.1409082488986; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x-134-84-88-56.nts.umn.edu ([2607:ea00:101:2001:8c79:2d05:aff6:a51e]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m4sm16990498igr.20.2014.08.26.12.48.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53FCE475.40205@umn.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:48:05 -0500 From: David Farmer Organization: University of Minnesota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , idr wg References: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/_-vjY5V0Y2fbV9Dfrpo-JATzjEA Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Farmer List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:48:14 -0000 Yes, I support WGLC for this draft. One small nit, the "section 10" at the end of the Section 1.2 is extraneous. RFC6996 doesn't have a section 10, and it was from when the paragraph referenced RFC1930. Note: RFC6996 updates RFC1930 section 10. On 8/26/14, 10:56 , Susan Hares wrote: > This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting > 8/26/2014 and ending 9/6/2014. > > The draft can be accessed at: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ > > Please include in your call “support or no support”. This call also > ask the authors to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft. > > Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ From nobody Tue Aug 26 14:07:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE18D1A87F1 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBRn_CWsuLrX for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21C171A87C8 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:07:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1660; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409087226; x=1410296826; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=eXWj713wuNV1MjIGcxiFMMzZe1JFOR8FU2gNaHMqv0c=; b=ZVljx1e79T3wPRRCa/DTdNhZq+honI1lTZbMBDBIbLr6rgdw44NlvjyA qXBiwBT9kN8fn6GSuihSUpkjOUcc1xCvEzIRGODKc9VtSC/ARaJf3iBKz GJP55HpDD47dNvYI3lSL9Ge4UBEOD9Ufy23ByK9KNqWarG0b3xM+P/HgI k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAKX1/FOtJV2Q/2dsb2JhbABbgw1TVwTMTwqHTAGBFxZ3hAQBAQQBAQE3NAsQAgEIGB4QJwslAQEEAQ0FiEINv0oXjmoRAVAHhEwFkS2EK4Z8gViTPIIYgUZsgQ85gQcBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,406,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="72560758" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 21:07:05 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com [173.36.12.84]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QL75Vn026399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:07:05 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.5.49]) by xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com ([173.36.12.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:07:05 -0500 From: "Jan Medved (jmedved)" To: Hannes Gredler , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgALa02A//+vqoA= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:07:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> <20140826185435.GB9579@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <20140826185435.GB9579@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 x-originating-ip: [10.21.92.152] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Yb4Ynk3a3Gwmp5qm1misrWiMqR0 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:07:08 -0000 Support as co-author. I do not know about IPR beyond http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1864/. /Jan On 8/26/14, 11:54 AM, "Hannes Gredler" wrote: >i do not know about IPR beyond http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1864/ > >/hannes > >On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:37:04PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: >| This is a WG LC for >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| [1]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ >|=20 >| =20 >[2]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG >LC also >| includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling >| these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and >| draft-ietf-as-migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or >| private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to >review >| these drafts carefully. >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Thank you, >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Sue Hares and John Scudder >|=20 >| References >|=20 >| Visible links >| 1. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ >| 2.=20 >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ > >| _______________________________________________ >| Idr mailing list >| Idr@ietf.org >| https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Aug 26 15:21:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA15F1A01F7 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iCD6OuxL3CfA for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 299B61A01EB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:21:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2175; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409091704; x=1410301304; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=RtQtIQm82sYMKmyAbOA/R1528NZQOM4T8ZCv6pC0atc=; b=kuLSW0Z0fB41Dwba1WmP2IO85804qxmVDTWI+J+DzfoQVjkAkLDbuI9l Si70yls/bvKofaA256tOnOX7oF5bYBUA33O4PL12py45KjU7BrQ9BQh0z FWg1uObR22Xx35NIywdOSzeK8+wLC2hZmXxKa6XD9XtLwm+r1uelYmaYE c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AioFAHQH/VOtJA2B/2dsb2JhbABbgw1TVwTMUAqHTAGBEhZ3hAMBAQEEAQEBawsMBAIBCBEEAQEBCh0HJwsUCQgBAQQBDQUIiDoNv0gXjmoRAR8xBwaDKYEdBYpshkGEK4hUkzyCGIFGbIEPOYEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,406,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="72621114" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 22:21:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QMLgRv026829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:21:42 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.41]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:21:42 -0500 From: "Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie)" To: "Jan Medved (jmedved)" , Hannes Gredler , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgALa02A//+vqoD//8muAA== Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: <5F1FD493E541C642ABBC18EDC327C82F1FEC163C@xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com> References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> <20140826185435.GB9579@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.60.113.243] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/1Xw0VpfQCU1uBp5NYXxBNI5nTT8 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:21:44 -0000 Yes/support Best Regards Bertrand Duvivier IP routing Product Manager -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jan Medved (jmedved) Sent: mardi 26 ao=FBt 2014 23:07 To: Hannes Gredler; Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org; 'John G. Scudder' Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-= idr-ls-distribut-impl Support as co-author. I do not know about IPR beyond http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1864/. /Jan On 8/26/14, 11:54 AM, "Hannes Gredler" wrote: >i do not know about IPR beyond http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1864/ > >/hannes > >On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:37:04PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: >| This is a WG LC for >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| [1]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ >|=20 >| =20 >[2]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG >LC also >| includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling >| these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and >| draft-ietf-as-migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or >| private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to >review >| these drafts carefully. >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Thank you, >|=20 >|=20 >|=20 >| Sue Hares and John Scudder >|=20 >| References >|=20 >| Visible links >| 1. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ >| 2.=20 >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ > >| _______________________________________________ >| Idr mailing list >| Idr@ietf.org >| https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Aug 26 15:25:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8F71A0118 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.168 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.168 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cu1PdZbEOwrO for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E1E81A00EC for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6421; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409091944; x=1410301544; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Ubg4dWLk4V2FvKjExUc1HQFOe0xbGHa3ico1fUR61u4=; b=ZTWoLPkaESdZR+9oXYrkR7+Tct8GtLMTvmZGSm7ps/9rkYI5HAJczSqx Hw2lYSSW1vlEsdQwW+xnVmNWs48oV14lPlbSTBBHGLVJu8H9y130Q8AWw tV1wLPxuO6cC4/OBauy9EwrLsOSwakjgr7K0Mf4ZnnpdQNMy/qk9lS8SA A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAGsI/VOtJA2B/2dsb2JhbABbgkdGU1cEslSYIoFkh0wBgRIWd4QDAQEBBC1MEAIBCA4DAwECKAcyFAkIAQEEAQ0FiEINv0cXjmoRAT8RB4RMBZEthCuGfIFYkzyCGIFGbIEPOYEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,406,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="72613282" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x12.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x12.cisco.com [173.37.183.86]) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QMPf5j032361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:25:41 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([169.254.3.228]) by xhc-rcd-x12.cisco.com ([173.37.183.86]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:25:40 -0500 From: "Saikat Ray (sairay)" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgAEH3AA Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:25:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 x-originating-ip: [128.107.165.80] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D022575B1F12Dsairayciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/BPYkIQRBTWLsAJPkKoo82dEPgrs Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:25:43 -0000 --_000_D022575B1F12Dsairayciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. From: "shares@ndzh.com" > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: 'John Scudder' >, "shares@ndzh.com" > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and =93support or no support.=94 This WG LC a= lso includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefu= lly. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_D022575B1F12Dsairayciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support as co-author.

From: "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1= 1:37 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Cc: 'John Scudder' <jgs@bgp.nu>, "shares@ndzh.com" <shares= @ndzh.com>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf= -idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and =93support or no su= pport.=94  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provi= de IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefully. <= /o:p>

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 --_000_D022575B1F12Dsairayciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 15:30:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EA91A00A5 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.168 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.168 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GaLZmz04SO8O for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60A1A1A004C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7142; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409092233; x=1410301833; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=iDYfkTa/gVMPK3IjBoyGnl1GjudCkMdcDH++SG8i+jk=; b=YS0kx5wL998tHpywVP+/uN6huHoWMaAbFnCtGUlg0m7EoS2VvUyuMVZJ tXAnW/5E+K2N4gXEs5iXNo4DrHqZRTvWCIZHQzPb9/o3NBIdnaiWY8kMZ CVAvGIhMzZguHZV2d2VHK7IlmtmRL5S18wk2ZcTt5ckNN0TpcBfLS1lXw Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAEQJ/VOtJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABbgkdGU1cEslSYIoFkh0wBgRIWd4QDAQIELUwSAQgOAwMBAig5FAkIAQEEAQ0FiEINv0cXjmoRAT8RB4RMBY8ZghSEK4Z8gViTPIIYgUZsgQ85gQcBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,406,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="72569522" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 22:30:32 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QMUWIA000713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:30:32 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.8.91]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:30:32 -0500 From: "Manish Bhardwaj (manbhard)" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgAEH3AAAAArNwA= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:30:32 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.1.120420 x-originating-ip: [10.154.176.213] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D022587719298manbhardciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KH6AKCmEdnklHjrOqlO9otSpjlU Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:30:35 -0000 --_000_D022587719298manbhardciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. -Thanks, Manish. From: "shares@ndzh.com" > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: 'John Scudder' >, "shares@ndzh.com" > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and =93support or no support.=94 This WG LC a= lso includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefu= lly. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_D022587719298manbhardciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <28C062A237C72B46A22CD6310F27EEEB@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support as co-author.

-Thanks,
Manish.

From: "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1= 1:37 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Cc: 'John Scudder' <jgs@bgp.nu>, "shares@ndzh.com" <shares= @ndzh.com>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf= -idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and =93support or no su= pport.=94  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provi= de IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefully. <= /o:p>

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 --_000_D022587719298manbhardciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 15:32:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF651A004C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.168 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.168 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a7Ntijn9k8rp for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82EB71A008F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8348; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1409092365; x=1410301965; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=rJXHZy1gcFaV1l5vB9TWykQIvUL6Bd20LDpw8H7Qi5o=; b=DxpJUVccXGkvrM9oL/hTYfFJH2CslDAm72O03Es2MP11YiAwzVOToNfu J7oou4MQzlIitezyR5Bo7XzUXGXk3iT9tUpHBuf5P3rnIUfaL6HqlYh4y kJ6nJEJEtIpby9KxK8rh7NGhcUEQmq55CT9AGiBOSpM3ix7bQUvsKuVFB I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFALwK/VOtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABbgkdGU1cEslSYIoFkh0wBgRIWd4QDAQEBBC1MEAIBCA4DAwECKAcyFAkIAQEEAQ0FiEINv0YXjmoRAT8RB4RMBZEthCuGfIFYkzyCGIFGbIEPOYEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,407,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="72619053" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2014 22:32:37 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s7QMWbIw023332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:32:37 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([169.254.3.228]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([fe80::200:5efe:173.37.183.34%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:32:37 -0500 From: "Saikat Ray (sairay)" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgAEH3AAAAA9/gA= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:32:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 x-originating-ip: [128.107.165.80] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D02258DF1F133sairayciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/j4UCoWu8Lsflg3HpfkITyDeH9Xc Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:32:47 -0000 --_000_D02258DF1F133sairayciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not know of any undisclosed IPR on these from my side. From: sairay > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 3:25 PM To: "shares@ndzh.com" >, "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: 'John Scudder' > Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-= idr-ls-distribut-impl Support as co-author. From: "shares@ndzh.com" > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: 'John Scudder' >, "shares@ndzh.com" > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and =93support or no support.=94 This WG LC a= lso includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefu= lly. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_D02258DF1F133sairayciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not know of any undisclosed IPR on these from my side.

From: sairay <sairay@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 3= :25 PM
To: "shares@ndzh.com" <= shares@ndzh.com>, "idr@ietf.org= " <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'John Scudder' <jgs@bgp.nu>
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-= ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

Support as co-author.

From: "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1= 1:37 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Cc: 'John Scudder' <jgs@bgp.nu>, "shares@ndzh.com" <shares= @ndzh.com>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf= -idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and =93support or no su= pport.=94  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provi= de IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone=92s ability to review these drafts carefully. <= /o:p>

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 --_000_D02258DF1F133sairayciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 16:58:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448AA1A01E4 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E6vJVEqC86Ci for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595451A017A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.192.52; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Manish Bhardwaj \(manbhard\)'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <03ba01cfc189$906a4e40$b13eeac0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03BB_01CFC168.095998A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQILTwloLSXwjpsDzvWILXnBT1C6TZtsdOGw Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/EuRXuI1BPzHrBIaKxlIFfB9-ZMg Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:58:10 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03BB_01CFC168.095998A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manish: Always good to see you post. Do you know of any IPR? Sue From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Manish Bhardwaj (manbhard) Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:31 PM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder' Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Support as co-author. -Thanks, Manish. From: "shares@ndzh.com" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" Cc: 'John Scudder' , "shares@ndzh.com" Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG LC also includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to review these drafts carefully. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_03BB_01CFC168.095998A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Manish:

 

Always good to see you = post.  Do you know of any IPR? 

Sue =

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Manish Bhardwaj = (manbhard)
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:31 = PM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. = Scudder'
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for = draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and = draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

 

Support as = co-author.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

=

-Thanks,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Manish.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

=

From: "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: = Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'John = Scudder' <jgs@bgp.nu>, "shares@ndzh.com" <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: = [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and = draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

 

This = is a WG LC for

 

  = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/<= /o:p>

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/=

 

Please respond with = comments and “support or no support.”  This WG LC also = includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. =

 

Please note: due to the = European vacations in August, we are bundling these three reviews into = the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-migration).  =  The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whether the = three WG LC s impact anyone’s ability to review these drafts = carefully.

 

Thank = you,

 

Sue Hares and John = Scudder

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Support.

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Idr [mailto:idr-bounc= es@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Susan Hares
=B7=A2=CB=CD= =CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA8=D4=C2<= span lang=3D"EN-US">27=C8=D5 2:37
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: 'John G. Scudder'; shares@ndzh.com
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-dist= ribut-impl

 

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments an= d =A1=B0support or no support.=A1=B1  This WG LC also includes a reque= st for the authors to provide IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the Europea= n vacations in August, we are bundling these three reviews into the next tw= o weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The cha= irs would like feedback (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone=A1=AFs ability to review these dra= fts carefully.

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder=

--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA845BC5C5nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Aug 26 21:42:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347921A03CC for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T8Nk_PVomAeL for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0203.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.203]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58FD61A03CB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.214.28) by BLUPR05MB119.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.214.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1010.18; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:36:06 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.12.90]) by BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.12.90]) with mapi id 15.00.1015.017; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:36:06 +0000 From: Ravi M R To: "Andy Karch (akarch)" , "robert@raszuk.net" , "Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw)" , "dmcpherson@verisign.com" , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Thread-Index: Ac+9NQcjdPPgj3zOQOaNzIZg1JQtRAAUhW/gANeHBcAAMrrtoA== Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:36:05 +0000 Message-ID: <5064be6208df4532a6050bd20d6a2693@BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <36efc752a51544c18f0e31ca5ee534ed@BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [116.197.184.11] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;UriScan:; x-forefront-prvs: 0316567485 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(377454003)(479174003)(189002)(199003)(164054003)(13464003)(108616004)(76482001)(77982001)(74316001)(74662001)(19580395003)(46102001)(101416001)(76176999)(54356999)(19580405001)(81342001)(81542001)(31966008)(79102001)(83322001)(90102001)(99286002)(77096002)(64706001)(87936001)(20776003)(74502001)(66066001)(80022001)(92566001)(106356001)(4396001)(107886001)(95666004)(230783001)(83072002)(2656002)(85852003)(85306004)(76576001)(50986999)(2201001)(105586002)(33646002)(21056001)(107046002)(86362001)(2501001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR05MB119; H:BLUPR05MB120.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Due60uRtD1D8_ww8r9Vrd6RZGSM X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:42:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Idr] clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:36:17 -0000 Hi Andy, Thanks for clarification. I feel validation procedure should be explained in draft for NLRI which hav= e with prefix-offset in destination. Validation procedure mentioned in RFC-= 5575 is based on longest-prefix-match/subnet-matching and this does not mak= e sense for destination with prefix-offset. ---Extract from from RFC-5575 section-6 begin --- a) The originator of the flow specification matches the originator of the best-match unicast route for the destination prefix embedded in the flow specification. b) There are no more specific unicast routes, when compared with the flow destination prefix, that have been received from a different neighboring AS than the best-match unicast route, which has been determined in step a). ---Extract from from RFC-5575 section-6 end --- For example, 'best-match unicast route', mentioned in point a) above, does = not make sense for destination with prefix-offset. Similarly how 'more spec= ific unicast routes' in point b) applies to destinations with prefix-offset= should be explained in draft. Thanks & Regards, Ravi -----Original Message----- From: Andy Karch (akarch) [mailto:akarch@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:54 AM To: Ravi M R; robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@ver= isign.com; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Ravi, My apologies on the previous reply... The text should read "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/64-104". The paylo= ad is 5 bytes (40 bits).=20 The encoding below remains the same. -Andy -----Original Message----- From: Andy Karch (akarch)=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:05 PM To: 'Ravi M R'; robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@v= erisign.com; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Ravi, You're correct in pointing out the error. This was already found, but the u= pdate hasn't been posted yet. The intention is to have 80-104 as there is = 24 bits (6 bytes) of payload in the prefix, so the hex changes to 0x50 for = the offset. Please note the prefix offset and length have been swapped back to length b= efore offset. There is some history around this where a request was made t= o have offset before length (for readability and coding), before any known = implantation existed. Later an implementation was revealed to be shipping= , so it was reverted. In the example, the intention is to demonstrate that the offset "don't care= " bits are not included in the prefix encoding. They would just be 0's any= way. This is consistent with unicast prefixes where only enough bytes for = *length* bits are encoded and the trailing bits are irrelevant. Similarly,= we only need "length minus offset bits" (as worded in draft) to encode Flo= wSpec's prefix, with the added prefix offset dimension. This does not requ= ire octet boundaries. For example, the prefix with offset 5 and length 11 = would require 6 bits (1 byte -- b 11111100), but if you enforced octet boun= daries, it would require 2 bytes (b 00000111 11100000). I'll include a more verbose example to demonstrate this point. Thanks, -Andy Type 2 - Source IPv6 Prefix Encoding: Defines the source prefix to match. Prefix offset has been defined to allow for flexible matching on part of the IPv6 address where we want to skip (don't care) of N first bits of the address. This can be especially useful where part of the IPv6 address consists of an embedded IPv4 address and matching needs to happen only on the embedded IPv4 address. The encoded prefix contains enough octets for the bits used in matching (length minus offset bits). -----Original Message----- From: Ravi M R [mailto:mrravi@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:43 AM To: robert@raszuk.net; Burjiz Pithawala (bpithaw); dmcpherson@verisign.com;= Andy Karch (akarch); idr@ietf.org Subject: clarification required in draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 Hi Authors, In the example given in section-3 of draft, "80-" represents the prefix of= fset of 80 bits". This seems to be wrong and should be 64 instead of 80. --Extract from draft begin--- The following example demonstrates the new prefix encoding for: "all packets to ::1234:5678:9A00:0/80-104 from 192::/8 and port {range [137, 139] or 8080}". In the destination prefix, "80-" represents the prefix offset of 80 bits. In this exmaple, the 0 offset is omitted from the printed source prefix. +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | destination | source | port | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ | 0x01 40 68 12 34 56 78 9A | 02 00 08 c0 | 04 03 89 45 8b 91 1f 90 | +---------------------------+-------------+-------------------------+ --Extract from draft end--- Also is it required that prefix-offset should be at byte boundry (i.e. mult= iples of 8)?=20 If not, then providing an example in draft will be helpful as encoding/deco= ding can involve tedious bit level operations in such cases. Ex: offset is 13 bits and prefix length is 110 bits for a IPv6 address. In = this case, 97 bits from 13th to 110 bit should be encoded in NLRI. Thanks & Regards, Ravi From nobody Wed Aug 27 04:07:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473C51A0643 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r5Jw7ykTTahG for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963D41A0642 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-fb-53fd67145b4c Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id AC.AB.05330.4176DF35; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:07:02 -0400 From: Uma Chunduri To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl Thread-Index: Ac/BW2lXGFeOO91XQC6F7jVfIRzoQgAhYZXA Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F364057@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <025201cfc15c$bbe17260$33a45720$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F364057eusaamb105erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpikeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZXLonXFc0/W+wwb2PHBavbj9jstj4fwe7 xZ83r1gcmD2WdL9n8liy5CeTx+zX11kDmKO4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mubt+cxa8Cuz4u+uPtYG xjcxXYycHBICJhLvV71ghbDFJC7cW8/WxcjFISRwlFHi5ryH7BDOckaJN8/ns4BUsQnoSXyc +pMdxBYRcJC43dAO1M3BwSygIvFiEz9IWFggSWLzjr3MECXJEhe/z2OBsI0kWnYtA2tlEVCV +PDoCpjNK+ArsbbzBSOILSRgJtF3dBaYzSlgLnHw2HE2EJsR6Ljvp9YwgdjMAuISt57MZ4I4 WkBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/+gnlGSmPP6GjNEfb7Ey78nWSF2CUqcnPmEZQKj6Cwko2YhKZuFpAwi riOxYPcnNghbW2LZwtfMMPaZA4+ZkMUXMLKvYuQoLU4ty003MtjECIy0YxJsujsY97y0PMQo wMGoxMO7IOpPsBBrYllxZe4hRmkOFiVx3lm184KFBNITS1KzU1MLUovii0pzUosPMTJxcEo1 MC73+FdbqlV0d94mjp8lKR6O+y2U9dW2NdmxzF4UpKy9NXVXZNEce+7dF9r1Dr31fdc9/Q/X 61qrM7de5C/2uLHgGMPtnLj6X7wTLE5v6HOwWM/0zlhJSWtq+tvcmqqdNdbqky0+5HU9qNT9 tfjsgWfX7TUE3r/4evbtIhutg1vV44xF96Xz9imxFGckGmoxFxUnAgCfd5MtlQIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/7Z8iFNqGIMc_QGBQ43sXQTQ7olQ Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:07:14 -0000 --_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F364057eusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. I see, hierarchy is WELL defined when multiple instances of IGP with multi= ple AFs are running. Good work. Have following Qs: 1. Any discussion of the delay introduced by BGP (packing, update gen= eration, processing etc..) to transport the LS information especially, when LSDB is changing faster perhaps with large number of nodes= /links inside an AS and with multiple ASes) to the controller will be usefu= l. A note on the sensitivity of this delay to the consumer (appli= cations) at the controller can be helpful. I saw very little discussion in= Section 6 (6.1.5) 2. This document encompasses pretty much both OSPF and ISIS extension= s done till date. How it will keep up with future extensions in OSPF/ISIS. A mechanism in place would be helpful. My suggestion would be- the respect= ive IGP documents should assess the impact and define corresponding new TLVs for BGP LS? But how this can be enforced? 3. Section 4, gives glimpse what's possible and the node aggregating = the links obviously need to tinker the LSDB to represent the same correctly= . Some more details would be helpful to represent the changes on aggregation/= de-aggregation subsequently. 4. Section 6.2 has empty sub-sections and TBDs. 5. It's good to see Implementation report shed light on performance s= een with multiple ASes. 6. It's good to see if any application of policy on LSDB is done (one= of the primary drivers of the specification). -- Uma C. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:37 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; shares@ndzh.com Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG LC also = includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to review these drafts carefull= y. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F364057eusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

I see, hierarchy is WE= LL  defined when multiple instances of IGP with multiple AFs are runni= ng. Good work.

 

Have following Qs:

1.&n= bsp;      Any discussion= of the delay introduced by BGP (packing, update generation, processing etc= ..) to transport the LS information

especially, whe= n LSDB is changing faster perhaps with large number of nodes/links inside a= n AS and with multiple ASes) to the controller will be useful.

   &nbs= p;         A note on the sensitivit= y of this delay to the consumer (applications) at the controller  can = be helpful. I saw very little discussion in Section 6 (6.1.5)

2.&n= bsp;      This document = encompasses pretty much both OSPF and ISIS extensions done till date. How i= t will keep up with future extensions in OSPF/ISIS.

A mechanism in = place would be helpful. My suggestion would be-  the respective IGP do= cuments should assess the impact and define

corresponding n= ew TLVs for BGP LS? But how this can be enforced?

3.&n= bsp;      Section 4, giv= es glimpse what’s possible and the node aggregating the links obvious= ly need to tinker the LSDB to represent the same correctly.

Some more detai= ls would be helpful to represent the changes on aggregation/de-aggregation = subsequently.

4.&n= bsp;      Section 6.2 ha= s empty sub-sections and TBDs.

5.&n= bsp;      It’s goo= d to see Implementation report shed light on performance seen with multiple= ASes.

6.&n= bsp;      It’s goo= d to see if any application of policy on LSDB is done (one of the primary d= rivers of the specification).

 

--

Uma C.

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:37 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; shares@ndzh.com
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ie= tf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

 

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and “support or n= o support.”  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors = to provide IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone’s ability to review these drafts carefully.

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

--_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F364057eusaamb105erics_-- From nobody Wed Aug 27 04:11:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C9C1A064E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ackBoGyVXhkI for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503BF1A064C for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-46-53fd682d7d15 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 26.CB.05330.D286DF35; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:11:43 -0400 From: Uma Chunduri To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG LC Thread-Index: Ac/BReTO0pJPTvXCTT6RAuhkpoMwRwAocS6Q Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:11:43 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F36409D@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <018e01cfc146$4be6c480$e3b44d80$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F36409Deusaamb105erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt65ext9ggztzmSy+XkuzeHX7GZPF nzevWByYPZYs+cnkcb3pKrvH7NfXWQOYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyPnV+ZSvYqVxxqWcCawPj WvkuRk4OCQETie0HG9ggbDGJC/fWA9lcHEICRxklrt6dwQ7hLGeU6HoyC6yKTUBP4uPUn+wg toiAhcTS3plMIDazgIpE756fYLawgIREe9sMRogaSYmnzReZIGwjiZ0veplBbBYBVYlr61cA zeHg4BXwlVg0RQnEFBIwk9izmBvE5BQwl/izjB+kmBHotO+n1kAtEpe49WQ+E8TJAhJL9pxn hrBFJV4+/scKYStJzHl9jRmiPl/i2KPJYMfzCghKnJz5hGUCo+gsJKNmISmbhaQMIq4jsWD3 JzYIW1ti2cLXzDD2mQOPmZDFFzCyr2LkKC1OLctNNzLYxAiMsWMSbLo7GPe8tDzEKMDBqMTD uyDqT7AQa2JZcWXuIUZpDhYlcd5ZtfOChQTSE0tSs1NTC1KL4otKc1KLDzEycXBKNTAuXXhS rsd3o6GycJnJ9rrG7ecuX4/4s3HKadlJWZYLo4qV/hemKl0y+y/65NQ0KZPAkwlFnR0Rv81W 56bNFXpSPd0z4+bnyyXuE1YuuP26TMLp2GT3yqXJ9/eyP7/zf40lo08P6262tK0yYhwsRT3V S1YLxrL/a+2XvOrwvFI8VyJqmXUIw10lluKMREMt5qLiRAAfjSS6kgIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/PBfzSb4UsASuU_RvuZlrk3ygT0k Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:11:49 -0000 --_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F36409Deusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. -- Uma C. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:56 AM To: idr wg Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: [Idr] WG LC This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/26/2014 a= nd ending 9/6/2014. The draft can be accessed at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ Please include in your call "support or no support". This call also ask t= he authors to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft. Sue --_000_1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F36409Deusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 

--

Uma C.

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:56 AM
To: idr wg
Cc: Alia Atlas
Subject: [Idr] WG LC

 

This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migrati= on starting 8/26/2014 and ending 9/6/2014.

 

The draft can be accessed at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migr= ation/

 

Please include in your call “support or no sup= port”.   This call also ask the authors to indicate if ther= e is any IPR related to the draft.

 

Sue

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S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/A0T8L0VnjC9frSWIEumI4j_veFs Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:16:23 -0000 --_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06D7F495MISOUT7MSGUSRCD_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Jim Uttaro From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Uma Chunduri Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:07 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder' Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-= idr-ls-distribut-impl Support. I see, hierarchy is WELL defined when multiple instances of IGP with multi= ple AFs are running. Good work. Have following Qs: 1. Any discussion of the delay introduced by BGP (packing, update gen= eration, processing etc..) to transport the LS information especially, when LSDB is changing faster perhaps with large number of nodes= /links inside an AS and with multiple ASes) to the controller will be usefu= l. A note on the sensitivity of this delay to the consumer (appli= cations) at the controller can be helpful. I saw very little discussion in= Section 6 (6.1.5) 2. This document encompasses pretty much both OSPF and ISIS extension= s done till date. How it will keep up with future extensions in OSPF/ISIS. A mechanism in place would be helpful. My suggestion would be- the respect= ive IGP documents should assess the impact and define corresponding new TLVs for BGP LS? But how this can be enforced? 3. Section 4, gives glimpse what's possible and the node aggregating = the links obviously need to tinker the LSDB to represent the same correctly= . Some more details would be helpful to represent the changes on aggregation/= de-aggregation subsequently. 4. Section 6.2 has empty sub-sections and TBDs. 5. It's good to see Implementation report shed light on performance s= een with multiple ASes. 6. It's good to see if any application of policy on LSDB is done (one= of the primary drivers of the specification). -- Uma C. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:37 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; shares@ndzh.com Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ietf-idr-= ls-distribut-impl This is a WG LC for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/ Please respond with comments and "support or no support." This WG LC also = includes a request for the authors to provide IPR on the subject. Please note: due to the European vacations in August, we are bundling these= three reviews into the next two weeks (these two drafts and draft-ietf-as-= migration). The chairs would like feedback (list or private email) whethe= r the three WG LC s impact anyone's ability to review these drafts carefull= y. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F06D7F495MISOUT7MSGUSRCD_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1

 

Jim Uttaro<= /span>

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Uma Chunduri
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:07 AM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draf= t-ietf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

 

Support.

I see, hierarchy is WE= LL  defined when multiple instances of IGP with multiple AFs are runni= ng. Good work.

 

Have following Qs:

1.&n= bsp;      Any discussion= of the delay introduced by BGP (packing, update generation, processing etc= ..) to transport the LS information

especially, whe= n LSDB is changing faster perhaps with large number of nodes/links inside a= n AS and with multiple ASes) to the controller will be useful.

   &nbs= p;         A note on the sensitivit= y of this delay to the consumer (applications) at the controller  can = be helpful. I saw very little discussion in Section 6 (6.1.5)

2.&n= bsp;      This document = encompasses pretty much both OSPF and ISIS extensions done till date. How i= t will keep up with future extensions in OSPF/ISIS.

A mechanism in = place would be helpful. My suggestion would be-  the respective IGP do= cuments should assess the impact and define

corresponding n= ew TLVs for BGP LS? But how this can be enforced?

3.&n= bsp;      Section 4, giv= es glimpse what’s possible and the node aggregating the links obvious= ly need to tinker the LSDB to represent the same correctly.

Some more detai= ls would be helpful to represent the changes on aggregation/de-aggregation = subsequently.

4.&n= bsp;      Section 6.2 ha= s empty sub-sections and TBDs.

5.&n= bsp;      It’s goo= d to see Implementation report shed light on performance seen with multiple= ASes.

6.&n= bsp;      It’s goo= d to see if any application of policy on LSDB is done (one of the primary d= rivers of the specification).

 

--

Uma C.

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:37 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; shares@ndz= h.com
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution and draft-ie= tf-idr-ls-distribut-impl

 

This is a WG LC for

 

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl/

 

Please respond with comments and “support or n= o support.”  This WG LC also includes a request for the authors = to provide IPR on the subject.

 

Please note: due to the European vacations in August= , we are bundling these three reviews into the next two weeks (these two dr= afts and draft-ietf-as-migration).   The chairs would like feedba= ck (list or private email) whether the three WG LC s impact anyone’s ability to review these drafts carefully.

 

Thank you,

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

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On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:56 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/2= 6/2014 and ending 9/6/2014.

 = ;

The draft can be accessed at: <= /p>

 

http://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/

 

Please include i= n your call =E2=80=9Csupport or no support=E2=80=9D.   This call a= lso ask the authors to indicate if there is any IPR related to the draft.

 

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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This is a 2 week WGT LC on draft-ietf-idr-as-migration starting 8/26/2014 > and ending 9/6/2014. > > > > The draft can be accessed at: > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ > > > > Please include in your call =E2=80=9Csupport or no support=E2=80=9D. 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Scudder" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Z-JAp5kkHNXTuT7ZeLSUhWHFe-8 Cc: "idr@ietf. org" , erosen@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:14:31 -0000 'm checking to see if there has been any progress on this -- last I remember was that John had a few comments to incorporate (below).... We have a document form 2012 that is stuck in MISSREF state on this document (below) -- wondering if we should try rewrite the relevant bit to no longer reference this... W 2012-09-17 draft-ietf-idr-as0-06.txt [C171] MISSREF*R(1G) REF draft-ietf-idr-error-handling NOT-RECEIVED W. Kumari, R. Bush, H. Schiller, K. Patel "Codification of AS 0 processing" Bytes: 12085 Working Group: Inter-Domain Routing On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:03 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > Eric, > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Eric Rosen wrote: > >> I wonder if the first two bullet items of Section 7.11 should be slightl= y >> revised (and perhaps expanded to three items), as follows: >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4 address (possibly as a >> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv4 addre= ss >> appears in the "IANA IPv4 Special-Purpose Address Registry" [IANA-IP= V4] >> and either the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that >> registry is given as "false". >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv6 address (possibly as a >> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv6 addre= ss >> appears in the "IANA IPv6 Special-Purpose Address Registry" >> [IANA-IPV6], the address is not an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address, and eit= her >> the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that registry is >> given as "false". >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address (possibly= as >> a sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid unless the use = of >> such addresses has been explicitly allowed for the particular AFI/SA= FI >> that occurs in this MP_REACH_NLRI attribute. (E.g., see RFC 4659 an= d >> RFC 4798.) >> >> This would cover the 6PE and 6vPE cases, and would also cover the cases >> where the next hop field contains an RD followed by an IP address. > > Thanks. This looks good. Barring further discussion, I'll plan to incorpo= rate your text into -13. > >> John> Another alternative, if it gets too hairy to spec this, would be t= o >> John> back the changes out. I don't know how the rest of the WG would fe= el >> John> about that. >> >> That's also a possibility. The IANA special-purpose address registries >> really seem to be focused on the use of addresses in the data plane rath= er >> than the control plane; it's not obvious that the content of those >> registries should affect the control plane. Are we sure that there are = no >> deployments (other than 6PE and 6vPE deployments) that use IP >> special-purpose addresses as (part of) the Next Hop field? > > No, I'm not sure, although the reasoning in citing the registry was that = if the address is non-forwardable, how do you expect to use it as a next ho= p? You're right that this seems like an perversion of the registry's origin= al purpose. However the options I could see came down to: > > - Cite the registries as I've done, > - Find a better citation -- I looked and didn't find anything, > - Define "invalid IP host address" from the ground up -- seemed like a te= rrible idea to do in this document, or > - Ignore the issue as in earlier versions of the draft. > > Of these, citing the registries seemed less terrible than the alternative= s. I'm certainly open to proposals on how to improve. I guess we could expl= icitly acknowledge that it's underspecified and invite interested parties t= o write a spec to properly define "invalid IP host address", without trying= to actually fix it in this document. The question comes down to whether th= e current text helps more than it hurts. I'm inclined to think that it does= , but then I would, wouldn't I? > >>> "Certain address families, for example MVPN [RFC7117] and EVPN >>> [I-D.ietf-l2vpn-evpn] have NLRI that are typed." >>> >>> I believe the first reference is supposed to be either "MCAST-VPN [RFC6= 514]" >>> or "MCAST-VPLS [RFC7117]", or perhaps both. >> >> OK, thanks. I'll address this in the next rev. >> >> Eric> If information about the TE path attribute is blocking the progres= s of >> Eric> the error handling draft, please consider advancing the draft with= out >> Eric> that information. >> >> John> While I'd be overjoyed to RFC this thing and move on, off-hand I c= an't >> John> think of a justification for singling the TE path attribute out as= not >> John> needing to be updated. I'd be pleased to be provided with one, >> John> though. >> >> Well, let me quote from some previous messages regarding this draft: >> >> "Of course we could continue error-handling as a seemingly eternal >> draft, but I think there is some value in saying "close enough" and >> graduating it to RFC, especially for implementors that are less >> steeped in the WG and don't necessarily have the background to >> distinguish between Internet Drafts that are really *drafts* and th= ose >> that are de-facto standards." >> >> "The draft does try to strike a balance between prudence and avoida= nce >> of ever-mounting complexity of error-detection heuristics to attemp= t >> to detect ever less-likely problems." >> >> These sentiments seem very wise, and I think the draft has been around l= ong >> enough for use to say that anything not incorporated yet is "out of scop= e" >> and will have to be covered in future documents. > > Well-played. > > I'm OK with that approach. I'd like to invite anyone who feels we MUST ha= ve coverage of the TE path attribute before publishing error-handing, to pr= opose text. Otherwise, I'll replace the section with something like: > > 7.13. Traffic Engineering path attribute > > We note that [RFC5543] does not detail what constitutes > "malformation" for the Traffic Engineering path attribute. A future > update to that specification may provide more guidance. In the > interim, an implementation that determines (for whatever reason) that > an UPDATE message contains a malformed Traffic Engineering path > attribute MUST handle it using the approach of "treat-as-withdraw". > > One final point to discuss is whether the proper approach is "treat-as-wi= thdraw" or if "attribute discard" would be OK in this case. > > Thanks, > > --John > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Fri Aug 29 13:21:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8F01A6F59 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.945 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCEjCKA_pscJ for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E651A068D for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:21:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.195.137; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Warren Kumari'" , "'John G. Scudder'" References: <15311.1402675401@erosen-lnx> <9EC7FE4D-583C-49F4-BB3F-8879FA677573@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: <00a601cfc3c6$d81f61f0$885e25d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQLZKvpQ18dLtAxllLfcVI/eW00djgHKxmN/Ahz2zF6ZtfjTkA== X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/R5e8oGr8dk5StjtueNCglK3RG6g Cc: "'idr@ietf. org'" , erosen@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:21:53 -0000 Warren: In my conversation with John yesterday, he said he would revise this in real soon (~1 wks) so we could do a WG LC. Hopefully - we've got this version captures all the issues. I'm looking for a reviewers of the next version to post to the list. Can I sign you up? Sue -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:14 PM To: John G. Scudder Cc: idr@ietf. org; erosen@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-12.txt 'm checking to see if there has been any progress on this -- last I remember was that John had a few comments to incorporate (below).... We have a document form 2012 that is stuck in MISSREF state on this document (below) -- wondering if we should try rewrite the relevant bit to no longer reference this... W 2012-09-17 draft-ietf-idr-as0-06.txt [C171] MISSREF*R(1G) REF draft-ietf-idr-error-handling NOT-RECEIVED W. Kumari, R. Bush, H. Schiller, K. Patel "Codification of AS 0 processing" Bytes: 12085 Working Group: Inter-Domain Routing On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:03 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > Eric, > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Eric Rosen wrote: > >> I wonder if the first two bullet items of Section 7.11 should be >> slightly revised (and perhaps expanded to three items), as follows: >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4 address (possibly as a >> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv4 address >> appears in the "IANA IPv4 Special-Purpose Address Registry" [IANA-IPV4] >> and either the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that >> registry is given as "false". >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv6 address (possibly as a >> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv6 address >> appears in the "IANA IPv6 Special-Purpose Address Registry" >> [IANA-IPV6], the address is not an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address, and either >> the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that registry is >> given as "false". >> >> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address (possibly as >> a sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid unless the use of >> such addresses has been explicitly allowed for the particular AFI/SAFI >> that occurs in this MP_REACH_NLRI attribute. (E.g., see RFC 4659 and >> RFC 4798.) >> >> This would cover the 6PE and 6vPE cases, and would also cover the >> cases where the next hop field contains an RD followed by an IP address. > > Thanks. This looks good. Barring further discussion, I'll plan to incorporate your text into -13. > >> John> Another alternative, if it gets too hairy to spec this, would >> John> be to back the changes out. I don't know how the rest of the WG >> John> would feel about that. >> >> That's also a possibility. The IANA special-purpose address >> registries really seem to be focused on the use of addresses in the >> data plane rather than the control plane; it's not obvious that the >> content of those registries should affect the control plane. Are we >> sure that there are no deployments (other than 6PE and 6vPE >> deployments) that use IP special-purpose addresses as (part of) the Next Hop field? > > No, I'm not sure, although the reasoning in citing the registry was that if the address is non-forwardable, how do you expect to use it as a next hop? You're right that this seems like an perversion of the registry's original purpose. However the options I could see came down to: > > - Cite the registries as I've done, > - Find a better citation -- I looked and didn't find anything, > - Define "invalid IP host address" from the ground up -- seemed like a > terrible idea to do in this document, or > - Ignore the issue as in earlier versions of the draft. > > Of these, citing the registries seemed less terrible than the alternatives. I'm certainly open to proposals on how to improve. I guess we could explicitly acknowledge that it's underspecified and invite interested parties to write a spec to properly define "invalid IP host address", without trying to actually fix it in this document. The question comes down to whether the current text helps more than it hurts. I'm inclined to think that it does, but then I would, wouldn't I? > >>> "Certain address families, for example MVPN [RFC7117] and EVPN >>> [I-D.ietf-l2vpn-evpn] have NLRI that are typed." >>> >>> I believe the first reference is supposed to be either "MCAST-VPN [RFC6514]" >>> or "MCAST-VPLS [RFC7117]", or perhaps both. >> >> OK, thanks. I'll address this in the next rev. >> >> Eric> If information about the TE path attribute is blocking the >> Eric> progress of the error handling draft, please consider advancing >> Eric> the draft without that information. >> >> John> While I'd be overjoyed to RFC this thing and move on, off-hand >> John> I can't think of a justification for singling the TE path >> John> attribute out as not needing to be updated. I'd be pleased to >> John> be provided with one, though. >> >> Well, let me quote from some previous messages regarding this draft: >> >> "Of course we could continue error-handling as a seemingly eternal >> draft, but I think there is some value in saying "close enough" and >> graduating it to RFC, especially for implementors that are less >> steeped in the WG and don't necessarily have the background to >> distinguish between Internet Drafts that are really *drafts* and those >> that are de-facto standards." >> >> "The draft does try to strike a balance between prudence and avoidance >> of ever-mounting complexity of error-detection heuristics to attempt >> to detect ever less-likely problems." >> >> These sentiments seem very wise, and I think the draft has been >> around long enough for use to say that anything not incorporated yet is "out of scope" >> and will have to be covered in future documents. > > Well-played. > > I'm OK with that approach. I'd like to invite anyone who feels we MUST have coverage of the TE path attribute before publishing error-handing, to propose text. Otherwise, I'll replace the section with something like: > > 7.13. Traffic Engineering path attribute > > We note that [RFC5543] does not detail what constitutes > "malformation" for the Traffic Engineering path attribute. A future > update to that specification may provide more guidance. In the > interim, an implementation that determines (for whatever reason) that > an UPDATE message contains a malformed Traffic Engineering path > attribute MUST handle it using the approach of "treat-as-withdraw". > > One final point to discuss is whether the proper approach is "treat-as-withdraw" or if "attribute discard" would be OK in this case. > > Thanks, > > --John > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri Aug 29 15:39:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651A31A6FF3 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pOSr19r3E9ac for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B6F1A000C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id r20so3283427wiv.5 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qqy80T7uNFWACbGosAIUnmTUOGMrqtiXJ7ivHrf+M44=; b=iCMrUetDtEwYvTt25TUzuGx7bp0jA8PbBJCX177v6ASubs3j4shP2lyC3I1lf33ch/ n7gq0uB2mCl0uSeWYYvTKpGdK6FtvwGmtHH4XaLVMrOSa8sorJvAZ5FizvOuJPgD5RiF 0Mnn6EtdSxfp3cuk0IHzM4A/Nd/aL36FusXpcNFTk7VQTd1mKwCHbvaenkBEb3MRHrFP WsNRxWUSGjZwPmreVDVWL8bFQUhrx/J8P5eGLu+iF8JZCEYYhpT1P+MqL61DvlX1KpLV xk41oQ0hHASAQYCy98bWSGSoEpBRCf/P7UpfWBaysTC7FP8oqIGruc3kaqyfXVjrFcbS 2+0A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm9zlarbnREUSo+2622Ky7Wh6LZz//qj1HIeLlv7KDojP69s11G5jwyXfMZ4+wJDWdMuyli MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.73.139 with SMTP id l11mr6861210wiv.30.1409351949190; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.62.39 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:39:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00a601cfc3c6$d81f61f0$885e25d0$@ndzh.com> References: <15311.1402675401@erosen-lnx> <9EC7FE4D-583C-49F4-BB3F-8879FA677573@juniper.net> <00a601cfc3c6$d81f61f0$885e25d0$@ndzh.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Susan Hares Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FSptDGkA_b5yPCf-R1O8luOuBbQ Cc: erosen@cisco.com, "idr@ietf. org" Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 22:39:13 -0000 On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > Warren: > > In my conversation with John yesterday, he said he would revise this in real > soon (~1 wks) so we could do a WG LC. Yay! > Hopefully - we've got this version > captures all the issues. Double yay! > I'm looking for a reviewers of the next version to > post to the list. Can I sign you up? Doh! No good deed goes unpunished... Yup, sign me up. W > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:14 PM > To: John G. Scudder > Cc: idr@ietf. org; erosen@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-12.txt > > 'm checking to see if there has been any progress on this -- last I remember > was that John had a few comments to incorporate (below).... > > > We have a document form 2012 that is stuck in MISSREF state on this document > (below) -- wondering if we should try rewrite the relevant bit to no longer > reference this... > > > W > > 2012-09-17 draft-ietf-idr-as0-06.txt [C171] > MISSREF*R(1G) > REF draft-ietf-idr-error-handling NOT-RECEIVED W. Kumari, R. Bush, H. > Schiller, K. Patel "Codification of AS 0 processing" > Bytes: 12085 > Working Group: Inter-Domain Routing > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:03 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: >> Eric, >> >> On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Eric Rosen wrote: >> >>> I wonder if the first two bullet items of Section 7.11 should be >>> slightly revised (and perhaps expanded to three items), as follows: >>> >>> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4 address (possibly as a >>> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv4 > address >>> appears in the "IANA IPv4 Special-Purpose Address Registry" > [IANA-IPV4] >>> and either the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that >>> registry is given as "false". >>> >>> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv6 address (possibly as a >>> sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid if the IPv6 > address >>> appears in the "IANA IPv6 Special-Purpose Address Registry" >>> [IANA-IPV6], the address is not an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address, and > either >>> the "destination" or the "forwardable" boolean in that registry is >>> given as "false". >>> >>> o If the Next Hop field contains an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address (possibly > as >>> a sub-field), the field SHOULD be considered invalid unless the use > of >>> such addresses has been explicitly allowed for the particular > AFI/SAFI >>> that occurs in this MP_REACH_NLRI attribute. (E.g., see RFC 4659 and >>> RFC 4798.) >>> >>> This would cover the 6PE and 6vPE cases, and would also cover the >>> cases where the next hop field contains an RD followed by an IP address. >> >> Thanks. This looks good. Barring further discussion, I'll plan to > incorporate your text into -13. >> >>> John> Another alternative, if it gets too hairy to spec this, would >>> John> be to back the changes out. I don't know how the rest of the WG >>> John> would feel about that. >>> >>> That's also a possibility. The IANA special-purpose address >>> registries really seem to be focused on the use of addresses in the >>> data plane rather than the control plane; it's not obvious that the >>> content of those registries should affect the control plane. Are we >>> sure that there are no deployments (other than 6PE and 6vPE >>> deployments) that use IP special-purpose addresses as (part of) the Next > Hop field? >> >> No, I'm not sure, although the reasoning in citing the registry was that > if the address is non-forwardable, how do you expect to use it as a next > hop? You're right that this seems like an perversion of the registry's > original purpose. However the options I could see came down to: >> >> - Cite the registries as I've done, >> - Find a better citation -- I looked and didn't find anything, >> - Define "invalid IP host address" from the ground up -- seemed like a >> terrible idea to do in this document, or >> - Ignore the issue as in earlier versions of the draft. >> >> Of these, citing the registries seemed less terrible than the > alternatives. I'm certainly open to proposals on how to improve. I guess we > could explicitly acknowledge that it's underspecified and invite interested > parties to write a spec to properly define "invalid IP host address", > without trying to actually fix it in this document. The question comes down > to whether the current text helps more than it hurts. I'm inclined to think > that it does, but then I would, wouldn't I? >> >>>> "Certain address families, for example MVPN [RFC7117] and EVPN >>>> [I-D.ietf-l2vpn-evpn] have NLRI that are typed." >>>> >>>> I believe the first reference is supposed to be either "MCAST-VPN > [RFC6514]" >>>> or "MCAST-VPLS [RFC7117]", or perhaps both. >>> >>> OK, thanks. I'll address this in the next rev. >>> >>> Eric> If information about the TE path attribute is blocking the >>> Eric> progress of the error handling draft, please consider advancing >>> Eric> the draft without that information. >>> >>> John> While I'd be overjoyed to RFC this thing and move on, off-hand >>> John> I can't think of a justification for singling the TE path >>> John> attribute out as not needing to be updated. I'd be pleased to >>> John> be provided with one, though. >>> >>> Well, let me quote from some previous messages regarding this draft: >>> >>> "Of course we could continue error-handling as a seemingly eternal >>> draft, but I think there is some value in saying "close enough" and >>> graduating it to RFC, especially for implementors that are less >>> steeped in the WG and don't necessarily have the background to >>> distinguish between Internet Drafts that are really *drafts* and > those >>> that are de-facto standards." >>> >>> "The draft does try to strike a balance between prudence and > avoidance >>> of ever-mounting complexity of error-detection heuristics to attempt >>> to detect ever less-likely problems." >>> >>> These sentiments seem very wise, and I think the draft has been >>> around long enough for use to say that anything not incorporated yet is > "out of scope" >>> and will have to be covered in future documents. >> >> Well-played. >> >> I'm OK with that approach. I'd like to invite anyone who feels we MUST > have coverage of the TE path attribute before publishing error-handing, to > propose text. Otherwise, I'll replace the section with something like: >> >> 7.13. Traffic Engineering path attribute >> >> We note that [RFC5543] does not detail what constitutes >> "malformation" for the Traffic Engineering path attribute. A future >> update to that specification may provide more guidance. In the >> interim, an implementation that determines (for whatever reason) that >> an UPDATE message contains a malformed Traffic Engineering path >> attribute MUST handle it using the approach of "treat-as-withdraw". >> >> One final point to discuss is whether the proper approach is > "treat-as-withdraw" or if "attribute discard" would be OK in this case. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --John >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in > the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf