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As discussed on the list a few days ago, I=92m putting together a document = to report the ADD-PATH implementation status. Please take a look and reply. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/GTDBNLF I would very much like to have enough information to publish a draft next M= onday (Nov/10) so we have something to discuss at the idr meeting. Thanks!! Alvaro. --_000_D07D455A74CE1aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

As discussed on the list a few days ago, I=92m putting together a docu= ment to report the ADD-PATH implementation status.

Please take a look and reply.


I would very much like to have enough information to publish a draft n= ext Monday (Nov/10) so we have something to discuss at the idr meeting.

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Alvaro.
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boundary="Apple-Mail=_059EBDA7-7A2E-491B-84EB-A09FF875076B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 21:00:48 -0500 Message-Id: <8E99802C-D851-4396-9AF2-432C12F050F4@tislabs.com> To: SIDR Secretary , "idr@ietf.org wg" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0FTgZRMQjyC2ismNADrWVhOcggg Subject: [Idr] minutes and updated slides uploaded X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:00:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_059EBDA7-7A2E-491B-84EB-A09FF875076B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I uploaded minutes, with thanks to Sue Hares for taking the minutes. I made a few name spelling corrections. I added a comment where Sue had = recorded something I said that I did not recognize. Anyone else who = remembers that part of the conversation can clarify. There was one participant who introduced himself as Chris from = Australia. Neither Sue nor I were certain of Chris's last name. If = anyone knows who that might have been (I thought the last name might = have been Weiren), could you please let the chairs know? I made a few changes to the slides as noted in the meeting. I changed = "Ie" to "I.e.," on slide 11 to help those who thought it read "le", as = in "less than". I added the router keying draft to the list of = documents, noted as missing during the meeting. I deleted two spare = slides at the end - more colorful versions of previous slides. The minutes are copied below. If anyone has any comments or corrections, please do send them to the = list. --Sandy Attendees =B7 Susan Hares =B7 John Scudder =B7 Chris Morrow =B7 Sandy Murphy =B7 Chris from Australia, last name possibly =93Weiren=94 =B7 William (Bill) Attwood =B7 Mike Baer =B7 Jeff Haas =B7 Jay Borkenhagen =B7 Alia Atlas =B7 Doug Montgomery =B7 Kotikalapudi Sriram =B7 Oliver Borchert =B7 Hyojeong Kim (RSVP'd but not certain was in attendance) =B7 Kambiz Agahian SIDR Meeting 10:05 Recording attempted but failed. Meeting intended to provide a little bit of background for the IDR folks = who will be asked to comment on the SIDR draft. This background provides = the necessary information for IDR participants to review the BGPSEC = work. Slide presentation Questions after slide 10: =B7 John: How large will these signatures be? =B7 Sandy: One of the drafts (algorithms), these certificates use = ECDSA.=20 =B7 Doug: We could send a note regarding how the BGPSEC impacts the = normal common RIB. Size of signatures and how this could related to = common RIBs =B7 John: I=92m asking how many bytes per ARC =B7 Sriram: 64 bytes (P256 curve) per AS =B7 John: This is contrasted to 4 per AS. Slide 11: =B7 Sandy: We have done away with the AS Paths, and it is encoded = in the BGPSEC Attributes. Including the AS Path might confuse. We did = not tunnel the ASPath information as the 4 Byte AS does. There is an = algorithm to extract the valid ASPath from the BGP Sec AS Path. An = implementation can remove it from the BGP SecPath attribute upon = reception. At the boundaries, you must strip the BGPSEC Attributes. =20 =20 Slide 12: =B7 [Chris W(?)]: Can you tell me how this will impact on global = routing system on carrying the signatures? =20 =B7 [Sandy]: Rephrasing the question if you send one NLRI per = update, how does this expand the space requirement? Secondly, how much = does the signature add per ASpath.=20 =B7 Doug M: The RIB modeling dealt with the signature size issues. = We=92ve presented these details at a SIDR meeting. =20 =B7 Sriram: We also looked at how many more updates how many more = updates will you have. When we examined this 4 years ago, there were an = average 3.8 NLRI per attribute path. Therefore you will grow by 4 times. =B7 Jeff: In the grand scheme of input, I agree that the data flow = of will grow by 4 times per update. However, the major costs will be = processing time and internal space sharing due to the lack of caching of = the ASPath related attributes. =B7 Sandy: Can you tell us why it is impossible to share the AS = Path. =B7 Jeff: Most attributes tend to share objects as shared objects = (AS, next-hop, etc). The problem is that the AS-Path will not be able to = be shared. =B7 Sandy: I see that the signature is not sharable. =B7 Jeff: In implementation, these tend to be grouped together. =B7 Doug: If you are caching at the attribute level. Then the = path-attribute would be unique for each attribute that is signed. =B7 Sandy: I do understand that the signatures are unique. If your = code is caching attributes, this should not prevent as_path sharing? =B7 Jeff: You need to store the signature as an attribute of the = path attributes. =B7 Sandy: It should not hamper =B7 Jeff: Implementations may need to change our cache. The = processing of the AS path is big part of the caching methodology. = Therefore the caching will be higher than you consider in your estimates = of per route estimates. =B7 Sandy: Should we consider this input? =B7 Jeff: The point is that this will impact the routes =B7 John: People should think about what this means for their = attribute list. Second question stream: =B7 Sandy; Does this impact the route server functions? =B7 John: There are two document: Route serve ops draft is a grow = draft =96 it is in or past IETF LC. The Route Server is an IDR draft, = and it is not yet ready for WG LC. =B7 Sandy: I was not certain if the route-server changes were = in-spec or out-spec for BGP of the information. A Router-server operates as a collection point for routes at an exchange = point (IXP) from all peers. The route-server removes its own AS, and = the path length does not change. =B7 John: For BGPSec, the route server is visible as regarding = signatures, but invisible regarding the path length. =B7 Sandy: The route server sends ASPATH with a key encrypted. = (=46rom Sandy: I am not sure what I said here. The route server sends a = BGPSEC attribute with itself included, but is flagged as a route server, = so the ASPATH path length does not increase and the route server AS = would not appear in the extracted ASPATH) =B7 John: People who care about Route Server scalability should = review previous slides. Slide 13: No additional questions Slide 14: 4 byte AS numbers are assumed. Slide 18: =B7 Kambiz: Will BGPSEC change the decision process? =B7 Sandy: The results of the BGPSEC process will be available for = the decision process. The BGPSEC process will mark whether this is = valid or not. This is then left to the BGP decision process. These are = similar to the BGP-origin state. One example one operator adds +100 = from preferences valid and subtracts 50 for the invalid state. There = has been discussion that under a heavy load you send all routes. =B7 Kambiz: Can this be done on a private AS.? =B7 Sandy: RPKI is for global and public resources. The = certificates are all related via the trust hierarchy. You can set-up a = local RPKI to handle local address space (E.g. RFC1918 space) and then = use BGPSEC path attributes.=20 =B7 Sriram: We do have fairly detailed RIB-size modeling slide for = normal routers and route-reflectors (Quebec Meeting). =B7 Sandy: I think that your route-reflector mode would be similar = to route-servers. =B7 John: Sriram did you have the same information for CPU load =96 = Would you include that? =B7 Sriram: yes we do. We assumed general purpose processor (Sandy = bridge, KVM process) on how the BGPSEC mode. =B7 Sandy: Can you bring this up in the joint meeting. =B7 Jay Borkenhagen: on slide 18, partial deployment two clouds = of BGPSEC do not know of each other. What happens if AS456 is partially = deployed? I think that the only thing that matters is that there is a = pathway through AS456 can be connected. =B7 Sandy: This is an interesting point. I do not know how = operators will deploy BGPSEC. Do you think it will cause a problem? =B7 Jeff: This feature will be partial islands of secured = information. You will have an AS will be half secure and half secure. = It is likely that the security aspects of the BGP information will = impact deployment. This may increase tunneling between ISPS. This may = impact forwarding. =B7 Sandy: This forwarding can be done via tunnels or careful = next-hop handling. =B7 Sandy: I=92m not sure what happens when one routing policy is = not contiguous through an AS.=20 =B7 Chris: Some of this operations process and some of this is = implementation specific. comments. =20 Final comments: John: We have an open agenda for BGPSEC. Please send in = agenda suggestions to both the IDR and the SIDR chairs. Meeting ended at 11:25 am. --Apple-Mail=_059EBDA7-7A2E-491B-84EB-A09FF875076B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUWYTQAAoJEHplpQeet0IZWNIQALEeeDzFnoF2Q99vxP4MUcmr i9/35KLtPopFJranoVsBHXZKoupcnrlcCVg3EPqh3op3hMmt1EMVPY/Euk+H3luf UVuTWXOn/d6vgLhNiG42iN+aS6Yz80q9g8tjpYN9itRbSminXLQrPula0zBmkqVp PwE03aEHjCYCl4ljFE+3bYnQ4Kp7Utqv1gV6QSObSedJbg64+2326A1ZNH3Xb+Bj /CDjFKkTvx3Y1dr7uilJaQkAr/W49hMRW777wSo86D08ZQaZy3CUBKj96WnmMWZB y8vsEM7u8mzA6US474LCBvISfm0xT8cqvR42c2Gn1Ti8jJpOFptR7eH6jJccJzT6 dbyby07Btu6X7DDpFnmiT1k4riugCFPcRwn8mw/S5mvvwmi1o0j8FNpFRXBuDJ52 EDHITVwFZtApqyIIgRedyvO/Ius9q3S2wMUo3lAvRjBtjRDrm+o1kVI1wE+A3fG+ ZZaol5OAaSO8EccylNrwGvyfCwD/PA6qNS/dRpLKab33qP3WBxwsZVvOWeT5f65S UM8lExTJsXLKRxDWJZHWJ0PFLbbQSQkgorqMj6rw2aFi9lsMa+YzvqpYiG6L23k7 +PVYn7vlKQJZyg15cqX06AbJI3TUubX6jKLYWHVyvbsprDJ2o5C3KXUVisQpovfq 4+lgZ7cnwmcpTekd2aQt =/zm1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_059EBDA7-7A2E-491B-84EB-A09FF875076B-- From nobody Thu Nov 6 05:39:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F5F1A212D for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 05:39:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mnL7MfpmSBw8 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 05:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D9C1A1F20 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 05:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33B628B0017; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B231F8035; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra Murphy Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0F569DF-2430-4932-8D36-9D9EDBA080B5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:38:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6D8B1361-E4DD-444B-940A-2C506EA8F475@tislabs.com> To: "idr@ietf.org wg" , "sidr-chairs@tools.ietf.org Chairs" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KxgL3eSJsKVbkm1rR1ewR5t_ahY Subject: [Idr] agenda for joint sidr/idr meeting? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:39:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A0F569DF-2430-4932-8D36-9D9EDBA080B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So far, all I know is that Sriram will be ready to present. I could talk about what I saw as the issues raised in the interim. Some = were settled, but I am too puzzled about Jeff's remarks to represent = them properly. (I get that the signatures are unique and no memory = savings can accrue - but will that interfere with savings from sharing = currently done?) Other than that, the intent was comments from idr folk - do you want a = walk through of the protocol in more detail? --Sandy --Apple-Mail=_A0F569DF-2430-4932-8D36-9D9EDBA080B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUW3nyAAoJEHplpQeet0IZGFcQAIGWNWPvTfUBxJPA2mYSMeFq vv92jGpCpkgXyKU8Kbyj9cL6g1KlRRt39tDKoVYZkJCGtYa2LV/QCWSRe7LzdYdO E1A98mihk7fh8pTgRcQL7NTHzUU2XhVN4LUYG1rkG76bx2hiJDUV5cIKvA2p7w+3 ZSUc5/VkPH6EPgMPQCSq+I9chQWesecdgDkk8XXUGwNV8mENQCzXZunxtWYDcpWh tI6e7rsYxTsumelwwPVEpZSJCrY/tqNcD22DTX8bS5C23UYTXksuNZrkqxRY14kF W1H4XeybCTSXD0q3NRqbe8QkIk4FW9pURau0qcQOTKEA+XLHqtqRDmI0MARvnwei f5TctaIEfx5nyDMm3FCO51oZOp6bizpJizjwQQzUQ1oDSwwFlyNhaBlXhLMkpiD1 17Hzr2S56hK7BgukqKV1us01/SghhqjUjFGgpKQgC17V3mOBkcBwXN/nVGUnWv4H WflEF8KucrEVZzmADSwKsTjUFE7hRF+PCy4GeHzJ6CzdAwxxNe+lp4TwF3Nngqea ZZKfGMkRO26UqAF+96jDSEoZcfuNdHCgRCJXEVxVNWlUyU8RTwj7HAW3hHXArpbb MaYl5p9qMWWFWkN5xuM0g5TZnkrBMO3HOWCL29G0zih1+My0PgT2hyl4QNfgw92P nJg6qF43PqqHgD+ji3OY =U9wS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A0F569DF-2430-4932-8D36-9D9EDBA080B5-- From nobody Thu Nov 6 19:35:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631E21A0125 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.844 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.844 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W_L6t6IKTQjZ for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389A41A0140 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Sandra Murphy'" , , References: <6D8B1361-E4DD-444B-940A-2C506EA8F475@tislabs.com> In-Reply-To: <6D8B1361-E4DD-444B-940A-2C506EA8F475@tislabs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:34:47 -0500 Message-ID: <155d01cffa3b$c7c8bdf0$575a39d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHPeN0E5hkDfoohzKm1XtQbsPDhAJxVhafA Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/BlWTx4b9BFamcaWZvwEndNbV9cc Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] agenda for joint sidr/idr meeting? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 03:35:01 -0000 Sandy: I would suggest posting your slides from the interim and walking through (30 minutes or less) the slides you did again. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Murphy Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:39 AM To: idr@ietf.org wg; sidr-chairs@tools.ietf.org Chairs Subject: [Idr] agenda for joint sidr/idr meeting? So far, all I know is that Sriram will be ready to present. I could talk about what I saw as the issues raised in the interim. Some were settled, but I am too puzzled about Jeff's remarks to represent them properly. (I get that the signatures are unique and no memory savings can accrue - but will that interfere with savings from sharing currently done?) Other than that, the intent was comments from idr folk - do you want a walk through of the protocol in more detail? --Sandy From nobody Fri Nov 7 16:33:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04601A0032 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkyvhNOCj75i for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B2E1A000E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <004701cffaeb$87223be0$9566b3a0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFFAC1.9E513CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/66tybYRex+MV3RD6f6DVOq39oJQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com X-IsFriend: Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/t2qf-dzpHRpm0pwFASHmTJluRDY Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] calling for scribes/note-takers and jabber scribes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 00:32:58 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFFAC1.9E513CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: John and I would again like to query for note-takers and jabber scribes. For those of you who are considering to be jabber scribes, Here's a helpful document: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saintandre-chatroom-relay/ Sue ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFFAC1.9E513CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all:

 

John and I would again like to query for note-takers = and jabber scribes. For those of you who are considering to be jabber = scribes,

Here’s a helpful = document:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saintandre-chatroom-relay/

 

Sue

------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFFAC1.9E513CF0-- From nobody Mon Nov 10 12:21:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5601ACE03; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zVQ7D9G9HafL; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7F51A9077; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:21:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141110202117.13267.82351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:21:17 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/fL-6x3zg8m24J4zqq38dN6h51oY Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-06.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:21:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for IPv6 Authors : Robert Raszuk Burjiz Pithawala Danny McPherson Andy Karch Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2014-11-10 Abstract: Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules [RFC5575] provides a protocol extension for propagation of traffic flow information for the purpose of rate limiting or filtering. The [RFC5575] specifies those extensions for IPv4 protocol data packets. This specification extends the current [RFC5575] and defines changes to the original document in order to make it also usable and applicable to IPv6 data packets. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 10 13:21:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FB11A1B1D for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:21:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.094 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.094 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yIJ1-28p69rK for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09D131A1B5C for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:21:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3639; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415654473; x=1416864073; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Td21vNPVLcBS9CO0zxvqvM/OJdfJSSO9+KWWnQ2QAgU=; b=jcZqeIzEVVofLf5KqEmANqsOATGbrQPFAaZrSPYBqkvtbA/oQhdVrjO4 u/3b+UnIc8v/bytSXtMo0Ul8K2U+XzxzWuWhWP6h3XJo1Pemv/kwub598 4uIwS8CV2N8d98SBMabAc+D8ADdfcpsFGodIB4E+RSLloF1QPQSUOGarA A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0HABEsYVStJA2I/2dsb2JhbABcgkhGVFkEyg+BcIdNgSIWAQEBAQFyC4QDAgQYcwEIBDs5FBMEE4hBDadnpVUBCyCNLoNjhFYFkA6CI4RThyGBND2DEpFdg3psgUiBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,355,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="371330619" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2014 21:21:06 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAALL4cm013882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:21:04 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.251]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:21:04 -0600 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] ADD-PATH Implementation Report Thread-Index: AQHP/Sw7DBObGsEW4kadQp1riB4SPw== Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:21:04 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.95.70] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0864F26757E1aretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/d81roNawS2ORR3EmgR1qv-szv2Y Subject: Re: [Idr] ADD-PATH Implementation Report X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:21:53 -0000 --_000_D0864F26757E1aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! As promised, I just published the first version of the implementation repor= t: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-00 I am a little disappointed because only 3 vendors filled in the survey..but= also very grateful to the people who provided the information. If you wan= t to contribute, the survey (link below) is still open. Thanks! Alvaro. On 11/3/14, 2:44 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > wrote: Hi! As discussed on the list a few days ago, I=92m putting together a document = to report the ADD-PATH implementation status. Please take a look and reply. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/GTDBNLF I would very much like to have enough information to publish a draft next M= onday (Nov/10) so we have something to discuss at the idr meeting. Thanks!! 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Hi!

As promised, I just published the first version of the implementation = report:  


I am a little disappointed because only 3 vendors filled in the survey= ..but also very grateful to the people who provided the information.  = If you want to contribute, the survey (link below) is still open.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 11/3/14, 2:44 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi!

As discussed on the list a few days ago, I=92m putting together a docu= ment to report the ADD-PATH implementation status.

Please take a look and reply.


I would very much like to have enough information to publish a draft n= ext Monday (Nov/10) so we have something to discuss at the idr meeting.

Thanks!!

Alvaro.
 --_000_D0864F26757E1aretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 07:23:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983611A1B13; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1EVgGT2CSUh; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7B71A1B2E; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:23:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Susan Hares" To: akatlas@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141112152320.5008.43959.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:23:20 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/x-CEJpY06JpdqDL18qiYwYH9_gA Cc: morrowc@ops-netman.net, idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@tools.ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:23:36 -0000 Susan Hares has requested publication of draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-03 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the IDR working group. Please verify the document's state at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration/ From nobody Wed Nov 12 07:58:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1222D1A1B47 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.845 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JI2TRH4h8JGg for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD161A1AB9 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.142.61; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <026c01cffe91$7f558da0$7e00a8e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026D_01CFFE67.967F85A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/+kX4JaoTXCXG7TL+tqlkUjKH09g== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/kVO41S6LIgqoLJ0dxlILNYziOQ8 Cc: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling@tools.ietf.org, "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] IDR - 1 week IPR call on draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-15 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:58:33 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026D_01CFFE67.967F85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a 1 week IPR call on draft-ietf-idr-error-handling. If anyone knows about any IPR related to this draft, please comment on the list. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_026D_01CFFE67.967F85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_026D_01CFFE67.967F85A0-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 09:11:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229AF1A8FD4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.094 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.094 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GmZmFA9ctBmh for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crfreenet.org (mail6.crfreenet.org [IPv6:2002:515c:9101:20::10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFCE81A901C for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from feanor (ip-89-102-22-7.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.102.22.7]) by mail.crfreenet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAB3FCD6; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:09:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:09:07 +0100 From: Ondrej Zajicek To: Daniel Walton References: <20141024135742.19022.17526.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20141024141859.GF30433@pfrc> <042b01cfef9f$7c2287b0$74679710$@ndzh.com> <594974284.8721491.1414165745965.JavaMail.zimbra@cumulusnetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <594974284.8721491.1414165745965.JavaMail.zimbra@cumulusnetworks.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Message-Id: <20141112170908.0DAB3FCD6@mail.crfreenet.org> Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rvpvTGCv6O9fXxHKkAmAQ7U2wRg Cc: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths-10.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:11:54 -0000 --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 08:49:05AM -0700, Daniel Walton wrote: > Juniper, Cisco IOS, IOS-XR and NX-OS all support it. RX support in > quagga is done but isn't in a released version of quagga yet, TX support > in quagga is on our roadmap. Bird added addpath support recently. Yes, BIRD has full support of ADD_PATH since v1.4.1 (2014-03-31). --=20 Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@crfreenet.org) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRjlDMACgkQw1GB2RHercOFAQCfRFhXmuUgOCm4TWpjoG0afS7B EKAAniybOqBMqWwkjxxal7UK61vSAM7f =QQzr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 09:50:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A1E1A8F3B for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XWIo4b1Z7Es5 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crfreenet.org (mail6.crfreenet.org [IPv6:2002:515c:9101:20::10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A2611A8733 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from feanor (ip-89-102-22-7.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.102.22.7]) by mail.crfreenet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E1AFCD6; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:50:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:50:15 +0100 From: Ondrej Zajicek To: "John G. Scudder" References: <20140903192732.23339.49198.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6BF003E2-25EB-411F-941F-D0707C9D7BE7@juniper.net> <4659A54B-3AAC-4C9D-BD76-2BDED84DE905@rob.sh> <10AF5CC8-63AA-4E59-AE24-4C281CFFCD99@juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Message-Id: <20141112175015.67E1AFCD6@mail.crfreenet.org> Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/ewsymSgcJJ9eO9KcE-Mn7XI21Hg Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-14.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:50:21 -0000 --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:51:39PM -0400, John G. Scudder wrote: > Posted as -15. I just noticed one minor issue in the draft. RFC 4271 6.3. says: If any recognized attribute has an Attribute Length that conflicts with the expected length (based on the attribute type code), then the Error Subcode MUST be set to Attribute Length Error. The Data field MUST contain the erroneous attribute (type, length, and value). If any of the well-known mandatory attributes are not present, then the Error Subcode MUST be set to Missing Well-known Attribute. The Data field MUST contain the Attribute Type Code of the missing, well-known attribute. If any of the well-known mandatory attributes are not recognized, then the Error Subcode MUST be set to Unrecognized Well-known Attribute. The Data field MUST contain the unrecognized attribute (type, length, and value). First two paragraphs were addressed in the draft (3. c. and d.). But the third paragraph was not. If i undestand it correctly, it discusses the case when an unknown attribute attribute is received but without Optional flag. IMHO treat-as-withdraw should be used, as in 3. c. One could assume that 3. c. in the draft is also applicable to this case, as it does not explicitly limit itself to recognized attributes: If the value of either the Optional or Transitive bits in the Attribute Flags is in conflict with their specified values, then the attribute MUST be treated as malformed and the treat-as-withdraw approach used, unless the specification for the attribute mandates different handling for incorrect Attribute Flags. But the wording and the fact that it replaces only the first cited paragraph ("If any recognized attribute ...") suggest that it is relevant just to recognized attributes. I would sugges that the wording of 3. c. should explicitly mention this (like "The same treatment MUST be also used for unrecognized attributes without Optional bit in the Attribute Flags.") and the third cited paragraph ("If any of the well-known mandatory attributes ...") should also be noted in the 'Old Text' secton of 3. c. to be clear that it was replaced by the new text. --=20 Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@crfreenet.org) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRjndcACgkQw1GB2RHercMcsQCdFw5JNer3bnEkdo7+U5TYqHj6 U1AAn1pHjdkT/O3OelJn0wrrus69J38/ =5pAH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 16:13:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074DE1A006E; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:13:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2YTRXLlAUFu; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261301A0070; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:12:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141113001246.3208.23625.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:12:46 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KHfvk6_sQBm0CS5GXbqE3CQKmZU Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:13:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Revised Error Handling for BGP UPDATE Messages Authors : Enke Chen John G. Scudder Pradosh Mohapatra Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2014-11-12 Abstract: According to the base BGP specification, a BGP speaker that receives an UPDATE message containing a malformed attribute is required to reset the session over which the offending attribute was received. This behavior is undesirable, because a session reset would impact not only routes with the offending attribute, but also other, valid routes exchanged over the session. This document partially revises the error handling for UPDATE messages and provides guidelines for the authors of documents defining new attributes. Finally, it revises the error handling procedures for a number of existing attributes. This document updates error handling for RFCs 1997, 4271, 4360, 4456, 4760, 5543, 5701 and 6368. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Nov 12 16:22:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CB21A009C for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMYHM62OLMyl for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0143.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 876051A0097 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.29.2.238] (66.129.239.11) by CO2PR05MB732.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.228.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:22:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: <20141113001246.3208.23625.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:22:09 -1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <20141113001246.3208.23625.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "idr@ietf. org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Originating-IP: [66.129.239.11] X-ClientProxiedBy: CY1PR00CA0013.namprd00.prod.outlook.com (25.160.142.151) To CO2PR05MB732.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.228.22) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR05MB732; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR05MB732; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0394259C80 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6049001)(6009001)(189002)(51704005)(24454002)(199003)(377454003)(377424004)(15975445006)(21056001)(87286001)(19580395003)(106356001)(88136002)(83716003)(110136001)(82746002)(19580405001)(15202345003)(87976001)(95666004)(105586002)(89996001)(230783001)(42186005)(46102003)(120916001)(92726001)(33656002)(86362001)(97736003)(50466002)(92566001)(101416001)(102836001)(93916002)(46406003)(450100001)(77096003)(77156002)(62966003)(40100003)(104166001)(23726002)(97756001)(57306001)(50986999)(31966008)(64706001)(122386002)(36756003)(66066001)(107886001)(107046002)(20776003)(76176999)(99396003)(50226001)(47776003)(4396001)(104396001)(42262002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO2PR05MB732; H:[172.29.2.238]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR05MB732; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rrqlH1On_bi6v4lwDbvngQSGrfM Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:22:21 -0000 All, This version corrects editorial nits raised in Warren's Ops Area review. --John On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:12 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of = the IETF. >=20 > Title : Revised Error Handling for BGP UPDATE = Messages > Authors : Enke Chen > John G. Scudder > Pradosh Mohapatra > Keyur Patel > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2014-11-12 >=20 > Abstract: > According to the base BGP specification, a BGP speaker that receives > an UPDATE message containing a malformed attribute is required to > reset the session over which the offending attribute was received. > This behavior is undesirable, because a session reset would impact > not only routes with the offending attribute, but also other, valid > routes exchanged over the session. This document partially revises > the error handling for UPDATE messages and provides guidelines for > the authors of documents defining new attributes. Finally, it > revises the error handling procedures for a number of existing > attributes. >=20 > This document updates error handling for RFCs 1997, 4271, 4360, = 4456, > 4760, 5543, 5701 and 6368. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-error-handling/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-error-handling-16 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 13 16:24:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517741A000B for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MO-b1j7bXfmD for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57A7B1A00A8 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id A4DD8C3444E1A for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:24:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sAE0OELh002743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:24:14 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.219]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:24:14 +0100 From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHP/6FRyL/+EehQB0CLIQaNW4v8gA== Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:24:14 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D08A6F7D1096E7wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/1lYrvM5hmBW56xid_xnCv9UnqfU Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:24:18 -0000 --_000_D08A6F7D1096E7wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in a sin= gle BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibility w= ith RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant for does not need to scal= e to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(= s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP update packet since the index is uniqu= e per prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not co= pe with this very well. Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add multiple = label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we will al= locate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be required. --_000_D08A6F7D1096E7wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8D6CBC85741A304498D312318E4FE31E@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in = a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibil= ity with RFC3107, etc +  the environment this is meant for does no= t need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a sing= le BGP update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clarif= y this because some environments might not cope with this very well.

Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add mult= iple label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we wi= ll allocate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be requ= ired.
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The new BGP-= Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in a single BGP upda= te. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibility with RFC3107, etc +  the environment this is meant for does not n= eed to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is tha= t BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP update packet since the ind= ex is unique per prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not cope with this very well.

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Also I belie= ve the solution should accommodate the ability to add multiple label blocks= since we will never know up front how many prefixes we will allocate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be requir= ed.

 = ;

[Xiaohu] C= oncur that it=A1=AFs worthwhile to accommodate the ability to add multiple = incontinuous label blocks on a given SR node. BTW, even given that each SR node is configured with only a single label block, how could one B= GP router know the label block of another so as to establish an explicit pa= th by using an MPLS label stack? It seems that there is no mention about th= e advertisement of the label block of each SR node.

 = ;

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

--_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082CD533NKGEML512MBSchi_-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 19:10:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754651A03A5 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1lLRyHdx9op for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CEFB1A1B1A for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:10:23 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-a1-546519c8ca14 Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 3A.4E.05330.9C915645; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:51:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:10:13 -0500 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHP/7iBRq0AzkPp0EOBA2uEewseHA== Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:10:12 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D08AB1D479199jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPrO5JydQQg5+z5C1e3X7GZDH78Q82 ByaP1md7WT2WLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVxbBJ/wRPlios/ZrM3MN6X62Lk5JAQMJFY 9vM2M4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBI4wSOxpmsEM4yxklmp50soJUsQkYSPz/dpwFxBYRSJD4vPYQ mC0sYC6x7dsGZoi4hcT92b+AbA4gW0+icY4qiMkioCqx/b8wSAUvUPXhxkeMIDYj0N7vp9Yw gdjMAuISt57MZ4K4R0BiyZ7zULeJSrx8/A/sAlGgic82bGaHiCtJfPw9nx2iN0bi+fJFjBDz BSVOznzCMoFReBaSsbOQlM1CUgYR15FYsPsTG4StLbFs4WtmGPvMgcdQvdYSUy8dYEVWs4CR YxUjR2lxalluupHBJkZg5ByTYNPdwbjnpeUhRgEORiUe3g3/U0KEWBPLiitzDzFKc7AoifPO qp0XLCSQnliSmp2aWpBaFF9UmpNafIiRiYNTqoFxbs3H7uQbEnLus0/sKC0NmH1EQ9X84Dut b21PZWWWVSWabKq+2KFRbH17ssiyzqhLbbwfbvUeslz8/25wT/3XEucwM8HFO93X7TQ/Wrqy MePhcTOpBEb+m2yLX3Hs9w05nci9tE3n1QL5A6ovD38J73t67G2i87kp+7alTWHJEqnbtG6G w7tSJZbijERDLeai4kQAYIrTF30CAAA= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/5YirkaQ0Kf3FeWP3C05dAdlz-L4 Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:10:25 -0000 --_000_D08AB1D479199jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034). However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR Capabilities = sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should be added. Cheers, Jeff From: , Wim Henderickx > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in a sin= gle BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibility w= ith RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant for does not need to scal= e to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(= s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP update packet since the index is uniqu= e per prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not co= pe with this very well. Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add multiple = label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we will al= locate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be required. --_000_D08AB1D479199jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034).
However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR Capabili= ties sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should be added.

Cheers,
Jeff

From: <Henderickx>, Wim Hende= rickx <wim.henderic= kx@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 a= t 4:24 PM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-b= gp-prefix-sid-00

The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in = a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibil= ity with RFC3107, etc +  the environment this is meant for does no= t need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a sing= le BGP update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clarif= y this because some environments might not cope with this very well.

Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add mult= iple label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we wi= ll allocate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be requ= ired.
 --_000_D08AB1D479199jefftantsuraericssoncom_-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 23:23:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397961A1BD4 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwYW5ZK0ThRy for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BED8E1A1A93 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id at20so2002320iec.20 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iZ8OwolCklrp1dUUc+DsqODbKBgNB3sjbE33BAiOJeE=; b=ewMHwVs43Sx7OXn5cZ+bRS7DooY2bH3BfZqGjjO0DE06Z9Ftg8jqpBeQH1HT5pj73p 6eHptu71E7/4tpx0A7u8dtu9lKh9fqMpq5rNhqks1ZYgC+qAp6R0mBzrdeU3nweP9RER hLFlHzpVqhutQAcTo6wsnxCaCrab0t/Ojlw6266NJ7Cr+zE7hhcMN06V7dq8lp2HLIfQ p6ylRrQoJWkfqJNdoiLSXFp+k+LEx/gII8cJtJtz+9+MQxNuPr1r0keePa9pipgGFG5+ 2JKAKBwKkxp3qXExl6W7MdmLGf2YkYFFlb48K34OfGEetWUxXzQWHT4ZnHnIBnVvd5s3 dImg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.197 with SMTP id qs5mr4090754igb.17.1415949816016; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.171.149 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:23:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 08:23:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gpMuD-RdILIemPiiza19OcJ-6LU Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d9e32cdb6000507cc8165 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/NLU7pG7N3HRaWn4PmqSaKv0d3H4 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:23:38 -0000 --089e010d9e32cdb6000507cc8165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=8BKeyur, 1. How do you envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports the new attribute ? To me the document misses the partial deployment section even it is to say that it is not supported :) 2. What happens when we receive two paths for a given NLRI however only one carries such attribute and the one without it is selected as best path ? 3. What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a SID ? Thx, r. =E2=80=8B --089e010d9e32cdb6000507cc8165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--089e010d9e32cdb6000507cc8165-- From nobody Fri Nov 14 06:55:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17B21A1A46 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FailQTHhg6uK for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0114.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9751A004E for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR0501MB1104.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.140) by DM2PR0501MB1405.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.161.224.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:55:21 +0000 Received: from [172.29.32.53] (66.129.241.11) by DM2PR0501MB1104.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.140) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:55:19 +0000 Message-ID: <546617D1.2070606@juniper.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:55:13 -0500 From: Eric C Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "idr@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [66.129.241.11] X-ClientProxiedBy: DM2PR11CA0027.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (25.160.91.37) To DM2PR0501MB1104.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.140) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:;UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1104; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1104; X-Forefront-PRVS: 03950F25EC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(6049001)(189002)(199003)(102836001)(33656002)(95666004)(42186005)(66066001)(65956001)(120916001)(36756003)(105586002)(65806001)(230783001)(59896002)(92566001)(80316001)(64706001)(20776003)(47776003)(23746002)(2501002)(110136001)(40100003)(64126003)(21056001)(122386002)(46102003)(99136001)(76176999)(50986999)(97736003)(92726001)(4396001)(106356001)(83506001)(101416001)(87976001)(2351001)(87266999)(54356999)(107046002)(65816999)(99396003)(86362001)(62966003)(77096003)(77156002)(50466002)(31966008); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1104; H:[172.29.32.53]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1104; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1405; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/RhOeBddkcoSo6PZhhiD0k2VMUrc Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:55:25 -0000 My $0.02 on some of the issues raised at the mike and on this thread. There was a brief discussion at the mike about the fact that when used with SAFI 128, this draft is assigning prefix-SIDs to "service routes" rather than to "transport routes". I think I heard (the Meetecho audio was a bit rough) Saikat say "think about option B". I guess this is a reference to the fact that at an option B ASBR, the service label rises to the top of the stack, and in effect serves as the transport label. So if one is using inter-AS option B, the use of the prefix-SID attribute for SAFI 128 routes is consistent with a desire to use prefix-SIDs for transport. Whether there is any point in doing so is a different issue. Anyway, the draft really ought to discuss the option B scenario, and perhaps also discuss whether the prefix-SID mechanism would also be used in option C scenarios. Note that if a DC consists of thousands of ASes, each with exactly two BGP speakers, the service label serves as the transport label along the entire path. However, in a case like this, I don't think it's going to be adequate to rely on per-session policies to constrain the distribution of the prefix-SIDs. I think the draft needs more attention to the issue of how you can tell whether an Update has reached the boundary of the domain in which the prefix-SID is valid. A few other comments. As others have already pointed out, the draft fails to say anything about the advertisement of the SRGB label ranges. This does not seem like something that can just be declared "out of scope". I also tend to agree with Wim and Xiaohu that requiring the use of a single SRGB label block per node seems very restrictive. Wim states: > The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in > a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward > compatibility with RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant for > does not need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. Well, it will be difficult in any case for an LSR to find an available label range (or even a set of non-contiguous label ranges) that can contain millions of labels! The draft should really discuss the scaling requirements. Once the scaling requirements are understood, one can look at the impact of the inability to do attribute-packing. (Of course, the scaling requirements depend not only on the number of prefixes, but on the label assignment strategy, e.g., per-route vs. per-VRF.) As Robert suggests, the draft is not very explicit about the significance of the label that is encoded into the NLRI. Suppose one receives an update where the NLRI prefix is X, the label encoded into the NLRI is L1, the next hop is N, and the label computed from the combination of Label Index attribute and N's SRGB label base is L2. If one is sending a packet to X via N, the draft seems to leave one with the option of using either L1 or L2 as the label. This means that N has to have both labels programmed for prefix X. Is this really the intention of the authors? If so, then unless L1 is required to be the same as L2, this doubles the number of labels that are needed. On the other hand, one could require that L1 be the same as L2. But in this case, there doesn't seem to be any point in having the Label Index attribute at all. I'd appreciate some clarification on this issue. From nobody Fri Nov 14 09:53:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5FB1A1B4A for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kv-TYaz-G4t9 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8C851A1B12 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAEHreIn005662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:40 -0500 Received: (from jrmitche@localhost) by puck.nether.net (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id sAEHrduw005661; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:39 -0500 From: Jon Mitchell To: Robert Raszuk Message-ID: <20141114175339.GA4497@puck.nether.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (puck.nether.net [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:53:41 -0500 (EST) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/SxZ4z7V4ZcP7z6V0ZEWKqlZ-qMI Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:53:44 -0000 Inline... On 14/11/14 08:23 +0100, Robert Raszuk wrote: > ​Keyur, > > 1. > > How do you envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports the new > attribute ? Since this in no way changes the normal BGP-3107 forwarding paradigm there is no issue here. The operator can partially deploy the support of this attribute and the local label of the routers that support it will be set appropriately based on their local SRGB offset by the index learned in the attribute. The remote label used for forwarding/swap is still the one learned from the remote peer, not at all influenced by the attribute regardless of the remote peers capability to understand it. > > To me the document misses the partial deployment section even it is to say > that it is not supported :) > > 2. > > What happens when we receive two paths for a given NLRI however only one > carries such attribute and the one without it is selected as best path ? > This is a good question and sould be clarified in the draft. Presumably we would want if it is bestpath or multipath capable to use the attribute for local label programming. Either way forwarding based on the remote label learned via 3107 would work fine and be not impacted. > 3. > > What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a SID > ? > Re-written at every hop, no deterministic behavior can be assumed. We are using 3107 label as SID if every node has capability for attribute and has same SRGB configured effectively. > Thx, > r. > > > > ​ > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri Nov 14 10:01:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484F21A1B3C for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id klde49kC-zz0 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-x229.google.com (mail-ie0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9964A1A1B14 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y20so1531918ier.14 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cA2ssCwCp+ay9/W92Fai5sQcJ4pR9LNcCF6VZcLFNSA=; b=AUfWfdZC2wg5Se7SG2zPUZdaQvm1oaDWYEecemYwvWc0at/SrefnQY9/PUbbkLakqi wS86HMr9MClKnlHQwby4Ylb2LqBu9gkTYTXgSPAgIXiwSftw3jkRrxl9Jdh/uE4cLVZk U9nS7Tc8sKsJ67Bp5kmxcv5KUL34EBXGVE5c8lZmTBRfRl61yxt9rHFDO40VTTEST4W+ v/j1eiI/7X2xSPWUBRDkTcBkgQptmERd8gfBeRHJn5soUI/uK9y6LEWN5TzI3SzwnwlB ah82niSYDrRPCF9ZeOPvZLsHcQQS3l1Qw77J7bWVEtesN2RMKts/XYTkcfDg+ebSL0D5 ZCBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.170.104 with SMTP id t101mr2497975ioe.47.1415988079829; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.171.149 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141114175339.GA4497@puck.nether.net> References: <20141114175339.GA4497@puck.nether.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:01:19 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XRizwBfVSoeOLYj38zV9O8nhx-Q Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Jon Mitchell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142e9528128650507d56ad2 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/kuNKHnR6jB8eD9EBp47N4D4r7S0 Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:01:22 -0000 --001a1142e9528128650507d56ad2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jon, Inline ... > > How do you envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports the > new > > attribute ? > > Since this in no way changes the normal BGP-3107 forwarding paradigm > there is no issue here. The operator can partially deploy the support > of this attribute and the local label of the routers that support it > will be set appropriately based on their local SRGB offset by the index > learned in the attribute. The remote label used for forwarding/swap is > still the one learned from the remote peer, not at all influenced by the > attribute regardless of the remote peers capability to understand it. > =E2=80=8BIn your view do you still need to run LDP in intra-domian deployme= nt to get you LSP between SR nodes ? =E2=80=8B > > 2. > > > > What happens when we receive two paths for a given NLRI however only on= e > > carries such attribute and the one without it is selected as best path = ? > > > > This is a good question and sould be clarified in the draft. Presumably > we would want if it is bestpath or multipath capable to use the > attribute for local label programming. Either way forwarding based on > the remote label learned via 3107 would work fine and be not impacted. > =E2=80=8BI think your scenario is EBGP based while the draft says: "A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from its EBGP neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured to accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor.=E2=80=8B" My point was more on intra-as RR, but also applies to EBGP case when one peer sends you attribute with label X and other with no attribute at all. > 3. > > > > What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a > SID > > ? > > Re-written at every hop, no deterministic behavior can be assumed. We > are using 3107 label as SID if every node has capability for attribute > and has same SRGB configured effectively. > =E2=80=8BWell it is rewritten when you set next hop self. In intra-domain c= ase you rather not doing it too often. =E2=80=8BFor inter-domain I see where your reply is coming from, but I am n= ot sure we are really there yet with this concept :) Cheers, R. --001a1142e9528128650507d56ad2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jon,

Inline ...=C2=A0

=C2=A0
> How do you envision this to work when onl= y subset of nodes supports the new
> attribute ?

Since this in no way changes the normal BGP-3107 forwarding paradigm=
there is no issue here.=C2=A0 The operator can partially deploy the support=
of this attribute and the local label of the routers that support it
will be set appropriately based on their local SRGB offset by the index
learned in the attribute.=C2=A0 The remote label used for forwarding/swap i= s
still the one learned from the remote peer, not at all influenced by the attribute regardless of the remote peers capability to understand it.


=E2= =80=8BIn your view do you still need to run LDP in intra-domian deployment = to get you LSP between SR nodes ? =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
> 2.
>
> What happens when we receive two paths for a given NLRI however only o= ne
> carries such attribute and the one without it is selected as best path= ?
>

This is a good question and sould be clarified in the draft.=C2=A0 P= resumably
we would want if it is bestpath or multipath capable to use the
attribute for local label programming.=C2=A0 Either way forwarding based on=
the remote label learned via 3107 would work fine and be not impacted.
<= /blockquote>


=E2= =80=8BI think your scenario is EBGP based while the draft says:=C2=A0
=

"A BGP speaker receiving a B= GP Label index attribute from its EBGP neighbor SHOULD discard the attribut= e unless it is configured to accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor.= =E2=80=8B"=C2=A0

My point was more on i= ntra-as RR, but also applies to EBGP case when one peer sends you attribute= with label X and other with no attribute at all.=C2=A0

=
> 3.
>
> What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as = a SID
> ?

Re-written at every hop, no deterministic behavior can be assumed.= =C2=A0 We
are using 3107 label as SID if every node has capability for attribute
and has same SRGB configured effectively.

=E2=80=8BWell it is rewritten when you set next = hop self. In intra-domain case you rather not doing it too often.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BFor in= ter-domain I see where your reply is coming from, but I am not sure we are = really there yet with this concept :)

Cheers,
R.

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SRGB is a local property of a node, I don't think this draft does anything to change whether or not one or many SRGB ranges are used as long as they are ordered and the label index received can be understood and be computed into a local label value by the node receiving the attribute. Since SRGB is not sent between nodes by this draft, I don't see any changes necessary to the text... 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dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vaWRyDQo= From nobody Fri Nov 14 11:10:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB981A8A4B; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:09:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pa124cqoHfPv; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9871A8A17; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) 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For those = remote – we will be using the IDR etherpad  and jabber = sessions for the joint sidr/IDR session today.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0494_01D00014.AAF67990-- From nobody Fri Nov 14 11:44:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A801A902F for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.094 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.094 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JbcPi47ThLJm for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A5BE1A9027 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6402; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415994258; x=1417203858; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=naXHmEuCbLXdnpKYvp2h8dKEWqwuTi0XJcUxnqTbQXc=; b=AdqAxV/HYBq8NGmB+rlb+jhPEOyCPAFpwTTzcBNjxjkDyBZDh3TIpTGE MCB2wID6mSmEvWbMskkxxU/gUkisgTz4+yIx41ZSaqQRIsJNk9U8RUOb/ i8Ph5TxyxGp3OcOSjbqDTwezz6BiFBLmMwTjiaxdyq2PVh+vx+XdPTCo9 E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8FAGZaZlStJA2D/2dsb2JhbABbgkhGgS4E1E8CgR0WAQEBAQF9hAIBAgSBCwEIEQMBAig5FAkIAgQBEhuIJtISAQEBAQEFAQEBAQEBHJERGIRLBZJHjAWBNI4KhzyDfG2BSIEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.07,387,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="96745091" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2014 19:44:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com [173.37.183.77]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAEJiHHa023967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:44:17 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.4.32]) by xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com ([173.37.183.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:44:17 -0600 From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" To: Jeff Tantsura , "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHQAENf2jDk7XDpckefrB89haUe8A== Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.21.75.202] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D08B7F427BAFkeyupateciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/qJm5NXLdOdq41wd4kYqIte4C22Y Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:44:22 -0000 --_000_D08B7F427BAFkeyupateciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, Yep. This would be a way of announcing SRGB. Regards, Keyur From: Jeff Tantsura > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 7:10 PM To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" >, "idr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Hi, In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034). However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR Capabilities = sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should be added. Cheers, Jeff From: , Wim Henderickx > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in a sin= gle BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibility w= ith RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant for does not need to scal= e to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(= s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP update packet since the index is uniqu= e per prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not co= pe with this very well. Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add multiple = label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we will al= locate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be required. --_000_D08B7F427BAFkeyupateciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <964A5E406B60C7429B42E83164B44B64@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,

Yep. This would be a way of announcing SRGB.

Regards,
Keyur

From: Jeff Tantsura <jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 a= t 7:10 PM
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)&quo= t; <wim.henderickx@= alcatel-lucent.com>, "idr@ietf.= org" <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-i= dr-bgp-prefix-sid-00

Hi,

In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034).
However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR Capabili= ties sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should be added.

Cheers,
Jeff

From: <Henderickx>, Wim Hende= rickx <wim.henderic= kx@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 a= t 4:24 PM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-b= gp-prefix-sid-00

The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in = a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibil= ity with RFC3107, etc +  the environment this is meant for does no= t need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a sing= le BGP update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clarif= y this because some environments might not cope with this very well.

Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add mult= iple label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we wi= ll allocate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be requ= ired.
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References: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:00:31 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IZ-K5zuAfcK7zyomDrT8VjfUnTw Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135b9dacdbf220507d714f8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/ZXf4jYWvWxAhkxnC0vwDZ83L3xI Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:00:39 -0000 --001a1135b9dacdbf220507d714f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keyur, How do you envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports the new > attribute ? > > To me the document misses the partial deployment section even it is to > say that it is not supported :) > > #Keyur: We have made no change to RFC3107. So the node[s] not > implementing the new attribute will 1) assign labels as per RFC 3107 rule= s > and 2) still announce the attribute as its optinal transitive. > =E2=80=8BYou are missing my question obviously. Imagine RR sending this attribute over IBGP to 100 clients. Only 10 of them support it. How the remaining 90 would know how to forward packets ? =E2=80= =8B =E2=80=8BThere is no assignment I am talking about here. Just receiving sid= e only. =E2=80=8B #Keyur: Best path decides which path gets chosen (as usual). Labels would > be assigned from the private label space if the path without an attribute > is chosen as the best path. Otherwise, the label is computed off the > label-index attribute. > =E2=80=8BAgain I am not talking about assigning labels. =E2=80=8B 3. > > What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a > SID ? > > #Keyur: Nothing. The draft assumes operates over RFC3107. > =E2=80=8BBut for IBGP what is the value for new attribute then ? Why label = carried within NLRI can not be a SID ? For EBGP perhaps due to NHS I see the point but I do not see how to deploy it in a mixed env when only some nodes support it. =E2=80=8B Thx, R. --001a1135b9dacdbf220507d714f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keyur,

How do yo= u envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports the new attribut= e ?=C2=A0

To me the document misses the partial deployment section even it is to say = that it is not supported :)

#Keyur: We have made no change to RFC3107. So the node[s] not implemen= ting the new attribute will 1) assign labels as per RFC 3107 rules and 2) s= till announce the attribute as its optinal transitive.

=E2=80=8BYou are missing my= question obviously.=C2=A0

Imagine RR sending this attribute over IBGP to 100 clients. = Only 10 of them support it. How the remaining 90 would know how to forward = packets ? =E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8BT= here is no assignment I am talking about here. Just receiving side only. = =E2=80=8B


#Keyur: Best path decides which p= ath gets chosen (as usual). Labels would be assigned from the private label= space if the path without an attribute is chosen as the best path. Otherwi= se, the label is computed off the label-index attribute.


=E2=80=8BAgain I am not talking about assigning labels. =E2=80=8B

3.=C2=A0

What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a SID= ?=C2=A0

#Keyur: Nothing.=C2=A0 The draft assumes operates over RFC3107.= =C2=A0

=
=E2=80=8BBut for IBGP what is the value f= or new attribute then ? Why label carried within NLRI can not be a SID ?

For EBGP perha= ps due to NHS I see the point but I do not see how to deploy it in a mixed = env when only some nodes support it. =E2=80=8B

Thx,
R.
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Christopher Morrow To: "idr@ietf.org List" , "sidr@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/LdRj2ZMZkICkoaBAqyDXO1HU9pg Subject: Re: [Idr] A note from today's IDR/SIDR joint meeting - RPKI-RTR protocol document X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:01:15 -0000 Also there was a question (from hannes?) about algorithm change processes and timelines.. that's covered in: -chris On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > The topic of getting 'rpki data to routers' is covered in the > 'rpki-rtr' document: > RFC6810 - > > and: > > > -chris From nobody Fri Nov 14 12:06:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Saikat, [SR] The forwarding (outgoing label) is done only using 3107 label. The > label index attribute is only used for assigning "local" label. > > There is an example in the Spring presentation of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-msdc. > =E2=80=8B3107 label can not be used for forwarding (except very specific to= pology) as BGP is not congruent with data plane in general. 3107 label can be used (and is used) for hierarchy creation or as local label. Underneath for actual forwarding you still have LDP or RSVP-TE or GRE ... r. --001a1140ed50a4a7af0507d739c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Saikat,

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[SR] The forwarding (ou= tgoing label) is done only using 3107 label. The label index attribute is o= nly used for assigning "local" label.

There is an example in the Spring presentation of draft-filsfils-spring-seg= ment-routing-msdc.

=E2=80=8B3107 label can not be used for forwarding (except ve= ry specific topology) as BGP is not congruent with data plane in general.= =C2=A0

3107 = label can be used (and is used) for hierarchy creation or as local label. U= nderneath for actual forwarding you still have LDP or RSVP-TE or GRE ...

r.






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boundary=20cf303ea36c21b7ac0507d76444 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/oTddfe3k3pWsuiNS3T2fuX1gdCM Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:22:45 -0000 --20cf303ea36c21b7ac0507d76444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So for intra-domain we agree we need forwarding labels so we have IGP hence no need to send SIDs label in BGP. For EBGP all cases it "could be useful" are MPLS free so no point to have this attribute as well. Nor 3107 is running there. If anything v6 SR is to be used. Hence natural question why do we need it ? Cheers, R. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Saikat Ray (sairay) wrote: > If it is hop-by-hop BGP-only network, you can use the BGP labels for > forwarding. In other cases, you use it as the "inner" label. The outer > label remains the "IGP label" (either LDP assigned or IGP carried SR labe= l, > etc.). > > The essential point is, nothing of the forwarding is changed. The only > thing is that is changed is the "local label" assignment. When a router A > assigns its "local label" (if it needs to do so for the purpose of furthe= r > advertisement of the route with itself as nexthop), normally it would > assign a "random" label from its dynamic label range. If the bestpath > carries a label-index attribute, it is a request to router A to assign th= e > "derived label" as the local label instead of a random one. > > From: "robert@raszuk.net" > Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM > To: sairay > Cc: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" , "idr@ietf.org" < > idr@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 > > Hi Saikat, > > [SR] The forwarding (outgoing label) is done only using 3107 label. >> The label index attribute is only used for assigning "local" label. >> >> There is an example in the Spring presentation of >> draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-msdc. >> > > =E2=80=8B3107 label can not be used for forwarding (except very specifi= c > topology) as BGP is not congruent with data plane in general. > > 3107 label can be used (and is used) for hierarchy creation or as local > label. Underneath for actual forwarding you still have LDP or RSVP-TE or > GRE ... > > r. > > > > > > > --20cf303ea36c21b7ac0507d76444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So for intra-domain we agree we need forward= ing labels so we have IGP hence no need to send SIDs label in BGP.=C2=A0

For EBGP all cases it "could = be useful" are MPLS free so no point to have this attribute as well. N= or 3107 is running there. If anything v6 SR is to be used.=C2=A0

Hence natural question why do we need it ?= =C2=A0

Cheers,
R.


=
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Saikat Ray = (sairay) <sairay@cisco.com> wrote:
If it is hop-by-hop BGP-only network, you can use the BGP labels for f= orwarding. In other cases, you use it as the "inner" label. The o= uter label remains the "IGP label" (either LDP assigned or IGP ca= rried SR label, etc.).

The essential point is, nothing of the forwarding is changed. The only= thing is that is changed is the "local label" assignment. When a= router A assigns its "local label" (if it needs to do so for the= purpose of further advertisement of the route with itself as nexthop), normally it would assign a "random" label fr= om its dynamic label range. If the bestpath carries a label-index attribute= , it is a request to router A to assign the "derived label" as th= e local label instead of a random one.

From: "robert@raszuk.net" <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at = 12:10 PM
To: sairay <sairay@cisco.com>
Cc: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)&qu= ot; <keyupate@ci= sco.com>, "id= r@ietf.org" <= idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-i= dr-bgp-prefix-sid-00

Hi Saikat,

[SR] The forwarding (outgoing label) is done only using 3107 label. T= he label index attribute is only used for assigning "local" label= .

There is an example in the Spring presentation of draft-filsfils-spri= ng-segment-routing-msdc.

=E2=80=8B3107 label can not be used for forwarding (except very specific to= pology) as BGP is not congruent with data plane in general.=C2=A0

3107 label can be used (and is used) for hierarchy creation or as local lab= el. Underneath for actual forwarding you still have LDP or RSVP-TE or GRE .= ..

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\(keyupate\)" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:55:26 -0000 --20cf300e5329c628410507d7d80e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xiaohu, > the label assigned by a given node which would be used as an explicitly > specified node along a given explicit path should be visible to all other BGP > peers, not just its adjacent BGP peers. /* Just talking about forwarding based on 3107 not this new attribute .... */ And that is precisely not how BGP works as BGP does not flood, but sends best path only. Even assuming there is no policy and also assuming that everyone in the mesh is actually enabled for 3107 which may or may not be the case. Further other BGP speakers will have no clue one AS away who was and who was not enabled for 3107 :) Cheers, R. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > My understanding is: to allow the usage of the label stack for explicit > path, the label assigned by a given node which would be used as an > explicitly specified node along a given explicit path should be visible t= o > all other BGP peers, not just its adjacent BGP peers. The advertisement o= f > such globally visible (not globally uniqueJ) labels allocated by a given > node (by advertisement of index and SRGB) happened to be piggbacked on th= e > the labeled BGP update for a routable address of that node. > > > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *=E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 *Robert Raszuk > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8815=E6=97= =A5 4:01 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Keyur Patel (keyupate) > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* idr@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 > > > > Keyur, > > > > How do you envision this to work when only subset of nodes supports > the new attribute ? > > > > To me the document misses the partial deployment section even it is to sa= y > that it is not supported :) > > > > #Keyur: We have made no change to RFC3107. So the node[s] not implementin= g > the new attribute will 1) assign labels as per RFC 3107 rules and 2) stil= l > announce the attribute as its optinal transitive. > > > > =E2=80=8BYou are missing my question obviously. > > > > Imagine RR sending this attribute over IBGP to 100 clients. Only 10 of > them support it. How the remaining 90 would know how to forward packets ? > =E2=80=8B > > > > =E2=80=8BThere is no assignment I am talking about here. Just receiving s= ide > only. =E2=80=8B > > > > > > #Keyur: Best path decides which path gets chosen (as usual). Labels > would be assigned from the private label space if the path without an > attribute is chosen as the best path. Otherwise, the label is computed of= f > the label-index attribute. > > > > > > =E2=80=8BAgain I am not talking about assigning labels. =E2=80=8B > > > > > > 3. > > > > What is really wrong with using 3107 label carried in the MP_REACH as a > SID ? > > > > #Keyur: Nothing. The draft assumes operates over RFC3107. > > > > > > =E2=80=8BBut for IBGP what is the value for new attribute then ? Why labe= l > carried within NLRI can not be a SID ? > > > > For EBGP perhaps due to NHS I see the point but I do not see how to deplo= y > it in a mixed env when only some nodes support it. =E2=80=8B > > > > Thx, > R. > > > > > > > > > --20cf300e5329c628410507d7d80e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Xiaohu,

> the label assigned by a given node which would be used as an expli= citly=C2=A0
> specified node= along a given explicit path should be visible to all other BGP=C2=A0
> peers, not just its adjacent BG= P peers.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',mono= space;font-size:small">/* Just talking about forwarding based on 31= 07 not this new attribute .... */

And that is precisely n= ot how BGP works as BGP does not flood, but sends best path only.=C2=A0

Even assuming there is no policy and also assuming tha= t everyone in the mesh is=C2=A0actually=C2=A0enabled for 3107 which may or = may not be the case. Further other=C2=A0BGP speakers will have no clue one = AS away who was and who was not enabled for 3107 :)=C2=A0

= Cheers,
R.




<= /div>


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:44 PM,= Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,=

=C2= =A0

My underst= anding is: to allow the usage of the label stack for explicit path, the lab= el assigned by a given node which would be used as an explicitly specified node along a given explicit path should be visible to all other = BGP peers, not just its adjacent BGP peers. The advertisement of such globa= lly visible (not globally uniqueJ) labels allocated by a given node (by advertisement of index and SRGB) happ= ened to be piggbacked on the the labeled BGP update for a routable address = of that node.

=C2= =A0

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu<= /u>

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8815=E6=97= =A5 4:01
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Keyur Patel (keyupate)
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:<= /b> = idr@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00=

=C2=A0

Keyur,

=C2=A0

How do you envision this to work when only subse= t of nodes supports the new attribute ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

To me the document misses the partial deployment= section even it is to say that it is not supported :)=

=C2= =A0

#Keyur: We h= ave made no change to RFC3107. So the node[s] not implementing the new attr= ibute will 1) assign labels as per RFC 3107 rules and 2) still announce the attribute as its optinal transitive.

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BYou are missing my question obvio= usly.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Imagine RR sending this attribute over IBGP to 100 clients. = Only 10 of them support it. How the remaining 90 would know how to forward = packets ? =E2=80=8B

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=E2=80=8BThere is no assignment I am talki= ng about here. Just receiving side only. =E2=80=8B

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#Keyur: Best= path decides which path gets chosen (as usual). Labels would be assigned f= rom the private label space if the path without an attribute is chosen as the best path. Otherwise, the label is computed off the label= -index attribute.

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=E2=80=8BAgain I am not talking about assi= gning labels. =E2=80=8B

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What is really wrong with using 3107 label carri= ed in the MP_REACH as a SID ?=C2=A0

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#Keyur: Noth= ing.=C2=A0 The draft assumes operates over RFC3107.=C2=A0

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=E2=80=8BBut for IBGP what is the value fo= r new attribute then ? Why label carried within NLRI can not be a SID ?<= /u>

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For EBGP perhaps due to NHS I see the point but I do not see= how to deploy it in a mixed env when only some nodes support it. =E2=80=8B

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Thx,
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bgl-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAELfTml029710; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:41:31 GMT Message-ID: <546676FA.8020005@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:41:14 -0800 From: Ahmed Bashandy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Tantsura , "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , "idr@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060809050307000200080602" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tjCT6KglzrV_r9bIws7EZBG8hNI Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:41:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060809050307000200080602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, There is a use case for sending the SRGB of a router in ISIS (e.g. ti-lfa) What is the use case of having a BGP speaker send its SRGB to its peer in a BGP-only deployment? Ahmed On 11/13/2014 7:10 PM, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Hi, > > In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034). > However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR > Capabilities sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should > be added. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > From: , Wim Henderickx > > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM > To: "idr@ietf.org " > > Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 > > The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes > in a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for > backward compatibility with RFC3107, etc + the environment this > is meant for does not need to scale to Millions of prefixes with > this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped > in a single BGP update packet since the index is unique per > prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not > cope with this very well. > > Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add > multiple label blocks since we will never know up front how many > prefixes we will allocate and things change, so operationally I > believe this will be required. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --------------060809050307000200080602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

There is a use case for sending the SRGB of a router in ISIS (e.g. ti-lfa)
What is the use case of having a BGP speaker send its SRGB to its peer in a BGP-only deployment?

Ahmed

On 11/13/2014 7:10 PM, Jeff Tantsura wrote:
Hi,

In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034).
However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR Capabilities sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should be added.

Cheers,
Jeff

From: <Henderickx>, Wim Henderickx <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00

The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward compatibility with RFC3107, etc +  the environment this is meant for does not need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clarify this because some environments might not cope with this very well.

Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add multiple label blocks since we will never know up front how many prefixes we will allocate and things change, so operationally I believe this will be required.
 

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--------------060809050307000200080602-- From nobody Fri Nov 14 15:05:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E901AD365 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uI_GxtkiqXoF for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cappuccino.rob.sh (cappuccino.rob.sh [IPv6:2a03:9800:10:4c::cafe:b00c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F1721AD36A for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2001:67c:370:176:7982:7db8:367e:8ae0] (helo=t2001067c0370017679827db8367e8ae0.wireless-a.v6.meeting.ietf.org) by cappuccino.rob.sh with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XpPvY-0006Um-OE; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:05:16 +0000 From: Rob Shakir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:05:11 -1000 To: "idr@ietf. org" Message-Id: <7AF4420B-8214-4E12-ABC4-96D9DCEA3D56@rob.sh> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/bgCVGzSzLX39DKwC4ZHwRBkCiIw Subject: [Idr] Clarification for use of SAFI=128 for Prefix-SID X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:05:29 -0000 Hi IDR, As mentioned at the mic yesterday in the IDR meeting. I would like some = clarification of what the use of the =E2=80=98prefix SID=E2=80=99 is in = relation to SAFI=3D128. I=E2=80=99ve kept this as a separate thread from = the more general discussion that is happening. At the moment, SRGB is defined in draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing = as follows: SR Global Block (SRGB): local property of an SR node. In the MPLS architecture, SRGB is the set of local labels reserved for global segments. In the IPv6 architecture, it is the set of locally relevant IPv6 addresses. In turn, we define a =E2=80=9CGlobal Segment" as: Global Segment: the related instruction is supported by all the SR- capable nodes in the domain. In the MPLS architecture, a Global Segment has a globally-unique index. The related local label at a given node N is found by adding the globally-unique index to the SRGB of node N. In the IPv6 architecture, a global segment is a globally- unique IPv6 address. When applying to AFI=3D1,SAFI=3D1, assuming that prefixes that are = tagged with the prefix SID attribute are domain-unique IP routes [which = is my understanding of the proposed use-case], then this has similar = semantics as are currently used within wider SR architecture [where SRGB = is used for prefix/anycast SIDs =E2=80=94 node is a special case of = prefix] However, I cannot find a case in which SRGB is used to allocate a label = that is an inner label (as it would be for rfc4364 prefixes advertised = with the Prefix-SID attribute). I also am unclear as to the use case for = this. Please can the authors clarify both what the use case for this is; the = operation of the mechanism when applied to SAFI=3D128; and subsequently = whether they feel that this places new requirements on the SRGB (my = assumption is that it means that there are *significantly* more global = segments required, since it is now proportional to number of *services*, = not number of *internal prefixes*). Thanks! r.= From nobody Sat Nov 15 17:43:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BB81A1A42; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:43:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kdGz4XSp1sIB; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752E11A8961; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:43:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141116014345.7738.1864.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:43:45 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/yXmQ_WO1yXOvMUIxPY0sTvjMMzQ Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-07.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 01:43:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : North-Bound Distribution of Link-State and TE Information using BGP Authors : Hannes Gredler Jan Medved Stefano Previdi Adrian Farrel Saikat Ray Filename : draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-07.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2014-11-15 Abstract: In a number of environments, a component external to a network is called upon to perform computations based on the network topology and current state of the connections within the network, including traffic engineering information. This is information typically distributed by IGP routing protocols within the network. This document describes a mechanism by which links state and traffic engineering information can be collected from networks and shared with external components using the BGP routing protocol. This is achieved using a new BGP Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) encoding format. The mechanism is applicable to physical and virtual IGP links. The mechanism described is subject to policy control. Applications of this technique include Application Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) servers, and Path Computation Elements (PCEs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 17 01:33:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71661A1A4C; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWWKOwh7i7fU; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A08F01A1A46; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:33:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2049; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416216780; x=1417426380; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=AH1RUulac6I3q9CdYLMso8uGkYjE8eLmIgKFebqM0DQ=; b=B+vvGQSvm07hZfObuBDsYOmcBgoTe7P7vyBG9s9tE5xlNOWFSrHqlYgS b5Ugx9Zp5/ZNw4hB3uGonAsjL6ZVKkGsGKLT+WHR609FQrYhMLX5JhKnE Yzb433/46X3j7aTk2g9HmKew4ciP1gXaog4nPae/Xj8uVz3pvTMGuOKyn s=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 654 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEFAFzAaVStJA2I/2dsb2JhbABbgw5VWQTMDAqHTgKBFxYBAQEBAX2EAwEBBAEBAWsbAgEIGC4CHwYLJQIEARIOiB4DEg3KHQ2GWgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARqOZIIjIoRLBZJHghyBVGuFF4ITgXGOFIZ1gjaBRm2BSIEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,402,1413244800"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="372781915" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2014 09:32:49 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAH9WnPx021621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:32:49 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.4.221]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 03:32:49 -0600 From: "Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)" To: Christopher Morrow , "idr@ietf.org List" , "sidr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] A note from today's IDR/SIDR joint meeting - RPKI-RTR protocol document Thread-Index: AQHQAklzt2rxV2gt80ipEslQPl1Q0A== Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:32:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [10.148.51.55] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha256; boundary="B_3499065172_27159128" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/zTy9or50g__sUr3z0ZkTq0xTmvM Subject: Re: [Idr] A note from today's IDR/SIDR joint meeting - RPKI-RTR protocol document X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:33:02 -0000 --B_3499065172_27159128 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Chis, The document is now RFC 6912 published as BCP. Regards, Roque On 14/11/14 21:00, "Christopher Morrow" wrote: >Also there was a question (from hannes?) about algorithm change >processes and timelines.. that's covered in: > > >-chris > >On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> The topic of getting 'rpki data to routers' is covered in the >> 'rpki-rtr' document: >> RFC6810 - >> >> and: >> >> >> -chris > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --B_3499065172_27159128 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIICigYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIICezCCAncCAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADALBgkqhkiG9w0B BwExggJSMIICTgIBATCBuzCBpjELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxHTAbBgNVBAoTFFN5bWFudGVjIENv cnBvcmF0aW9uMR8wHQYDVQQLExZTeW1hbnRlYyBUcnVzdCBOZXR3b3JrMR4wHAYDVQQLExVQ ZXJzb25hIE5vdCBWYWxpZGF0ZWQxNzA1BgNVBAMTLlN5bWFudGVjIENsYXNzIDEgSW5kaXZp ZHVhbCBTdWJzY3JpYmVyIENBIC0gRzQCEHgmPGbEBYqJ98YIErP9kawwDQYJYIZIAWUDBAIB BQCgaTAvBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxIgQges0k81WsS7cX2/RkLYVAND9/s6ffmdvMxP0aVF+7fOUw GAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMTQxMTE3MDkzMjUy WjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBMAligU/tlypDr/+cOo1lR3wvNTWzuOha1KnbAzXmCLqyl 5xBl37anc+Kggx65+5nwYOS4ZhO9GK/1DvbXgVITBBwksqB8Jd/8pz3JWEki/wDIXJnlKOZp Dtpq+n29KI1pXqEx9qmu64ROS/Kr7v1W3tbRne6g38FvTiR0ji1NlWxpn3u+b0BtBEPpYRo5 +6et+qy758SEq3uy1FYtgLSU8zpMgjngljPxdXAYwfdws9CDgnOhopzn5Em3uX9nGrOspKCN SqL2NY0lsZa9oUa5mGrfuSYZRBtBphvFJ2KVG9uInHu77DZva/rHFwOaYe+7N7HZISn6Kjyy k0m6Y+hO --B_3499065172_27159128-- From nobody Mon Nov 17 06:44:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C927E1A6F28; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNqqLMMm0TyZ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1FBC1A3BA5; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id im17so7260305vcb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ba5V89puFrU9C+PvBA8E3rnuJQvD2vjrJYkwwehQLaw=; b=MwtLKbA70qH6wmsRlXpYPvfzP3S0Jp5T3I6Yb8VDibyysz0No5R3XwAxLYVKA8tsUS Xdu7YHudYw8zo8i8054+AWDx1uQwVdcY/5qu7nrq7FpVFXqHbzOwcisdbekTELmH12Ko ck0t1EuUxa66tS8sgC3eTBKwHZWHPU96wdL0a6WN9ydYs1Y/4RFIqhn9T+1TrFg0Dkjg udWvePlgK5TIovFAZlQJ21Ts41OzU7Z01YZOxVBr1ds8p9ZgBdDRZBNByG0p2zJBc+DO Unyb7CbS/G3ZYd7BndSuH+uvOUw7Yk7vJ1wLSNalHpJMISn06l6oVYO9QkRwz4hfYVLV k63A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.213.197 with SMTP id gx5mr14275618vcb.51.1416235445043; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.221.44.8 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Christopher Morrow To: "Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/ofN5Rfm0BCQBxJZ4Ags91pDA78o Cc: "idr@ietf.org List" , "sidr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] A note from today's IDR/SIDR joint meeting - RPKI-RTR protocol document X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:44:08 -0000 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) wrote: > Chis, > > The document is now RFC 6912 published as BCP. great! (I should have looked further along the line in the tools page I bet) > > Regards, > Roque > > On 14/11/14 21:00, "Christopher Morrow" > wrote: > >>Also there was a question (from hannes?) about algorithm change >>processes and timelines.. that's covered in: >> >> >>-chris >> >>On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Morrow >> wrote: >>> The topic of getting 'rpki data to routers' is covered in the >>> 'rpki-rtr' document: >>> RFC6810 - >>> >>> and: >>> >>> >>> -chris >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Idr mailing list >>Idr@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Nov 18 08:54:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A821A1AC1 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:54:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYHe0mTZ-Iq4 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias243.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AFAA1A1AB4 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfeda05.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.198]) by omfeda11.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 843C21B873B for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:54:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfeda05.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 6F95318008C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:54:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::a441:e6a9:6143:6f0f]) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:54:30 +0100 From: To: "idr@ietf. org" Thread-Topic: draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN Thread-Index: AdACL5FIvYbC7/pPRc2aItnmUWFA2w== Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:54:29 +0000 Message-ID: <19096_1416329670_546B79C6_19096_14311_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A072659FF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.11.18.122121 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rwSJwYTWEDsKwSk_pcKV9BiL2oU Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:54:36 -0000 Hi authors, Please find below 2 questions/comments regarding VPN applicability 1) Carrier's Carrier (CsC) In IP VPN CsC, both the customer/CEs and the Service Provider/PE use labell= ed BGP routes (respectively 3107, 2547) for the same IP NLRI. How does the draft handle this? as both usage of the SID attribute are like= ly to interfere (especially since both ASes will likely start their SID num= ber from 1, hence collision is very likely). May be adding, in the attribute, the AFI/SAFI of the SID may help. 2) SID allocation Would SID be allocated per AS or per PE? The former would waste the SRGB space (as 1 VPN prefix would burn a SRGB/la= bel entry on _all_ PEs). The latter would create SID/label collision on option B ASBR (SID 1 allocat= ed on PE1 would collide with SID 1 allocated on PE2) Thanks, Regards, Bruno=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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" A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from its EBGP neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured to accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor." Is good but may not be sufficient as the above BGP speaker (ASBR) may not s= upport this document and hence will propagate the attribute over iBGP sessi= ons. (unless we require that all routers support this document in which cas= e we may not need a transitive attribute, which would by itself address the= problem) One option would be to mandate that by default a BGP session/peer group/AFI= remove the received SID attribute. (or at least do not honor it, but I don= 't see the use case to keep the attribute that we don't want to use) e.g. something like "To contain distribution of the BGP Label Index attribute beyond its intended scope of applicability, attribute filtering MAY be deployed." But for _received_ routes and with :s/MAY/SHOULD. 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Cheers, R. > > " A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from its EBGP > neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured to > accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor." > > Is good but may not be sufficient as the above BGP speaker (ASBR) may not > support this document and hence will propagate the attribute over iBGP > sessions. (unless we require that all routers support this document in > which case we may not need a transitive attribute, which would by itself > address the problem) > > One option would be to mandate that by default a BGP session/peer > group/AFI remove the received SID attribute. (or at least do not honor it= , > but I don't see the use case to keep the attribute that we don't want to > use) > e.g. something like "To contain distribution of the BGP > Label Index attribute beyond its intended scope of applicability, > attribute filtering MAY be deployed." > > But for _received_ routes and with :s/MAY/SHOULD. > > At least the currently empty security consideration section should > probably discuss this. > > Thanks, > Regards. > Bruno > > PS: On a side note "Segment Routing Architecture" should probably be a > normative reference. > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Some routes may be received unlabeled (from untrusted sources)= and redistributed as labeled. e.g. IPv6 =E2=86=92 6PE, IP --> VPN IP How would the AS protect itself (from SID collision) from non labeled/trust= ed=C2=A0 routes received with a SID attributes, and then re-advertised as l= abelled?

=E2=80= =8BHi Bruno,

Doesn't the above concern is solved by the below sentence from the dra= ft:

"The BGP Label Inde= x attribute SHOULD only be announced with BGP Prefixes carried in a labeled= address-family (SAFI value 4 or SAFI value 128)."=E2=80=8B

<= /div>

=E2=80=8BWith this in mind= how can you receive SID attribute with unlabeled route ?

Cheers,
R.


=C2=A0

"=C2=A0 =C2=A0A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from= its EBGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured = to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor."

Is good but may not be sufficient as the above BGP speaker (ASBR) may not s= upport this document and hence will propagate the attribute over iBGP sessi= ons. (unless we require that all routers support this document in which cas= e we may not need a transitive attribute, which would by itself address the= problem)

One option would be to mandate that by default a BGP session/peer group/AFI= remove the received SID attribute. (or at least do not honor it, but I don= 't see the use case to keep the attribute that we don't want to use= )
=C2=A0e.g. something like "To contain distribution of the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Label Index attribute beyond its intended scope of applicabili= ty,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute filtering MAY be deployed."

But for _received_ routes and with :s/MAY/SHOULD.

At least the currently empty security consideration section should probably= discuss this.

Thanks,
Regards.
Bruno

PS: On a side note "Segment Routing Architecture" should probably= be a normative reference.

___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________

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pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les message= s electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci.

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they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
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2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:44:07 -0000 --089e010d9e32c5210f050825a359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think the more we stuff with critical information for reachability (next hops, SIDs, labels etc ...) into optional non negotiated attributes the more we are at risks of attack potentials and hard to detect brokeness of a networks in various ways. This draft is nothing new .. just adds more of such potential to such bag. One thing is to add protocol controls to BGP attributes the other is send what really should belong to negotiated by capabilities information for operational correctness. However on this draft itself I still must say that it may work only in one very specific application which by itself is questionable (see comments on spring list). Cheers, R. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:30 PM, wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > Please see inlined [Bruno] > > > > Bruno > > > > > > *From:* rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Rober= t > Raszuk > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & SP isolations > > > > Some routes may be received unlabeled (from untrusted sources) and > redistributed as labeled. e.g. IPv6 =E2=86=92 6PE, IP --> VPN IP > How would the AS protect itself (from SID collision) from non > labeled/trusted routes received with a SID attributes, and then > re-advertised as labelled? > > > > =E2=80=8BHi Bruno, > > > > Doesn't the above concern is solved by the below sentence from the draft: > > > > "The BGP Label Index attribute SHOULD only be announced with BGP Prefixes > carried in a labeled address-family (SAFI value 4 or SAFI value 128)."=E2= =80=8B > > > > > > =E2=80=8BWith this in mind how can you receive SID attribute with unlabel= ed route > ? > > > > [Bruno] Someone doing an =E2=80=9Cexperiment=E2=80=9D or an attack and at= taching this > attribute deliberately. > > (also it=E2=80=99s only a SHOULD; implementation may have bugs) > > > > Cheers, > R. > > > > > > > > > " A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from its EBGP > neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured to > accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor." > > Is good but may not be sufficient as the above BGP speaker (ASBR) may not > support this document and hence will propagate the attribute over iBGP > sessions. (unless we require that all routers support this document in > which case we may not need a transitive attribute, which would by itself > address the problem) > > One option would be to mandate that by default a BGP session/peer > group/AFI remove the received SID attribute. (or at least do not honor it= , > but I don't see the use case to keep the attribute that we don't want to > use) > e.g. something like "To contain distribution of the BGP > Label Index attribute beyond its intended scope of applicability, > attribute filtering MAY be deployed." > > But for _received_ routes and with :s/MAY/SHOULD. > > At least the currently empty security consideration section should > probably discuss this. > > Thanks, > Regards. > Bruno > > PS: On a side note "Segment Routing Architecture" should probably be a > normative reference. > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Hi,

I think the more we stuff with critical information for reachability (n= ext hops, SIDs, labels etc ...) into optional non negotiated attributes the= more we are at risks of attack potentials and hard to detect brokeness of = a networks in various ways. This draft is nothing new .. just adds more of = such potential to such bag.

One = thing is to add protocol controls to BGP attributes the other is send what = really should belong to negotiated by capabilities information for operatio= nal correctness.=C2=A0

However o= n this draft itself I still must say that it may work only in one very spec= ific application which by itself is questionable (see comments on spring li= st).=C2=A0

Cheers,
R.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:30 PM, <bru= no.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,<= /span>

=C2=A0

Please see inlined [Bruno= ]

=C2=A0

Bruno

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & SP iso= lations

=C2=A0

Some routes may be received unlabeled (from untruste= d sources) and redistributed as labeled. e.g. IPv6 =E2=86=92 6PE, IP -->= VPN IP
How would the AS protect itself (from SID collision) from non labeled/trust= ed=C2=A0 routes received with a SID attributes, and then re-advertised as l= abelled?

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BHi Bruno,

= =C2=A0

= Doesn't the above concern is solved by the below sentence from the draf= t:

= =C2=A0

= "The BGP Label Index attribute SHOULD only be announced with BGP Prefi= xes carried in a labeled address-family (SAFI value 4 or SAFI value 128).&q= uot;=E2=80=8B=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BWith this in mind how can you receive SID attribute with unlabe= led route ?

=C2=A0

[Br= uno] Someone doing an =E2=80=9Cexperiment=E2=80=9D or an attack and attachi= ng this attribute deliberately.

(also it= =E2=80=99s only a SHOULD; implementation may have bugs)

=C2=A0

= Cheers,
R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0


"=C2=A0 =C2=A0A BGP speaker receiving a BGP Label index attribute from= its EBGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0neighbor SHOULD discard the attribute unless it is configured = to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0accept the attribute from the EBGP neighbor."

Is good but may not be sufficient as the above BGP speaker (ASBR) may not s= upport this document and hence will propagate the attribute over iBGP sessi= ons. (unless we require that all routers support this document in which cas= e we may not need a transitive attribute, which would by itself address the problem)

One option would be to mandate that by default a BGP session/peer group/AFI= remove the received SID attribute. (or at least do not honor it, but I don= 't see the use case to keep the attribute that we don't want to use= )
=C2=A0e.g. something like "To contain distribution of the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Label Index attribute beyond its intended scope of applicabili= ty,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute filtering MAY be deployed."

But for _received_ routes and with :s/MAY/SHOULD.

At least the currently empty security consideration section should probably= discuss this.

Thanks,
Regards.
Bruno

PS: On a side note "Segment Routing Architecture" should probably= be a normative reference.

___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________

Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les message= s electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci.

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(- isn't this what segment routing is about ;-) ?) The problem is that an ingress router does not know what the label-range of a egress router is. so if you want to fold a stack using node-labels and (*not* assuming identical label-ranges) you need somehow to "learn" about the prefix-SID originators label-range, such that you can construct MPLS label stacks. range range range range range 10000 10000 20000 40000 60000 20000 20000 30000 50000 70000 A-----B-----C------D-----E so assume A wants to create a path with ERO {C (Loose), E (Loose)} we can use the 3107 provided label for getting to C, but unless A "knows" (static config) about the label-range from C there is now way of construting the label to E. /hannes On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 01:41:14PM -0800, Ahmed Bashandy wrote: | Hi, | | There is a use case for sending the SRGB of a router in ISIS (e.g. ti-lfa) | What is the use case of having a BGP speaker send its SRGB to its peer in | a BGP-only deployment? | | Ahmed | | On 11/13/2014 7:10 PM, Jeff Tantsura wrote: | | Hi, | In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034). | However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR | Capabilities sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case should | be added. | Cheers, | Jeff | From: , Wim Henderickx | <[1]wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com> | Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM | To: "[2]idr@ietf.org" <[3]idr@ietf.org> | Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 | | The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes in | a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward | compatibility with RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant for | does not need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute. | The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP | update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clarify | this because some environments might not cope with this very well. | Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add | multiple label blocks since we will never know up front how many | prefixes we will allocate and things change, so operationally I | believe this will be required. | | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | [4]Idr@ietf.org | [5]https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr | | References | | Visible links | 1. mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com | 2. mailto:idr@ietf.org | 3. mailto:idr@ietf.org | 4. mailto:Idr@ietf.org | 5. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | Idr@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Nov 18 12:51:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2F61A8997 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gspJrbfLEavl for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF5E21A8910 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79206d0000014d2-13-546b583571b1 Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id DD.3E.05330.5385B645; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:31:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:51:12 -0500 From: Uma Chunduri To: Hannes Gredler , Ahmed Bashandy Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHP/7iBRq0AzkPp0EOBA2uEewseHJxg+80AgAYI2AD//9tvsA== Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:51:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A60469152008633F442CE6@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: <546676FA.8020005@cisco.com> <20141118175026.GA16957@hannes-mba.local> In-Reply-To: <20141118175026.GA16957@hannes-mba.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlK5ZRHaIwfUjPBbHNl9ksei/94TN 4tXtZ0wOzB5Tfm9k9Viy5CeTx/Wmq+wBzFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGSu73rIWfFKq+NO7hbmB 8aFUFyMnh4SAicTzth9sELaYxIV764FsLg4hgSOMEvcvzmUGSQgJLGeUeLpPBcRmE9CT+Dj1 JzuILSLgIzFzQhNYM7OAosTFvx1MILawgLnE+5sQQ0UELCTuz/7FDGE7SfyZ/A8sziKgKvH/ +0Wwel4BX4k/K86wQexqYJT4/EMWxOYUMJNY+HkmK4jNCHTc91NrmCB2iUvcejKfCeJoAYkl e84zQ9iiEi8f/2OFsJUkJi09xwpRryOxYPcnqDu1JZYtfM0MsVdQ4uTMJywTGMVmIRk7C0nL LCQts5C0LGBkWcXIUVqcWpabbmSwiREYOcck2HR3MO55aXmIUYCDUYmHd4NrVogQa2JZcWXu IUZpDhYlcd5ZtfOChQTSE0tSs1NTC1KL4otKc1KLDzEycXBKNTBO/OZ7x1+MWY6tPEQ2u/Ds l3nfNJZ7sYrYHVhtVtLutr6w1E/2woyG5q2SIle3FyVWTTqhIHawvv52U88sgSWTD/dOihb6 5pu7KUjt4Q7je+c3H6ydHRPvnVtcOKf549WWhDWXak4as+2Om7evO138TvuJ0Jtvbl7561c/ 0ck4Z9LCzaueqicpsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIAwHmOsH0CAAA= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/dOzJOOllzRWcCo8mDNRl_yRMKug Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:51:17 -0000 I concur below response. >(*not* assuming identical label-ranges) IMO there are total 2 (actually 3) options 1. Like the node doing "epe" making an eBGP connection to do BGP-LS, every = node can do the same and send SRGB to a controller 2. Somehow send SRGB (multiple ranges if needed) to all the nodes=20 - I saw few comments on new SAFI etc - but still not clear how to fl= ood these 3. Use SAME SRGB range on all nodes and send global prefix SID index - this is the one it seems envisioned here (from SPRING presentatio= n) - but I would note that - AFAICT the point of "Globally unique in= dex" came because you can't agree on a common SRGB range in a multi-vendor = environment=20 (this is kind of mixed mode, same ranges on all nodes and send global i= ndex as opposed to what is proposed in SR base documents - viz a. same ranges and sending globally unique absolute SID value or b. different ranges on each node and using globally unique index) -- Uma C. -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hannes Gredler Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:50 AM To: Ahmed Bashandy Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 hi ahmed, short-answer: explicit routing using label-stacking. (- isn't this what segment routing is about ;-) ?) The problem is that an ingress router does not know what the label-range of= a egress router is. so if you want to fold a stack using node-labels and (*not* assuming identi= cal label-ranges) you need somehow to "learn" about the prefix-SID originat= ors label-range, such that you can construct MPLS label stacks. range range range range range 10000 10000 20000 40000 60000 20000 20000 30000 50000 70000 A-----B-----C------D-----E so assume A wants to create a path with ERO {C (Loose), E (Loose)} we can use the 3107 provided label for getting to C, but unless A "knows" (static config) about the label-range fr= om C there is now way of construting the label to E. /hannes On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 01:41:14PM -0800, Ahmed Bashandy wrote: | Hi, |=20 | There is a use case for sending the SRGB of a router in ISIS (e.g. ti-= lfa) | What is the use case of having a BGP speaker send its SRGB to its peer= in | a BGP-only deployment? |=20 | Ahmed |=20 | On 11/13/2014 7:10 PM, Jeff Tantsura wrote: |=20 | Hi, | In BGP-LS-SR SRGB is encoded in SR Capabilities TLV (1034). | However today it comes from an IGP, e.g. Is ISIS case from SR | Capabilities sub-TLV of Router Capability TLV, so BGP only case shou= ld | be added. | Cheers, | Jeff | From: , Wim Henderickx | <[1]wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com> | Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM | To: "[2]idr@ietf.org" <[3]idr@ietf.org> | Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 |=20 | The new BGP-Prefix-SID Label Index attribute avoids to pack routes= in | a single BGP update. I believe the authors did this for backward | compatibility with RFC3107, etc + the environment this is meant f= or | does not need to scale to Millions of prefixes with this attribute= . | The result is that BGP NLRI(s) cannot be grouped in a single BGP | update packet since the index is unique per prefix. We should clar= ify | this because some environments might not cope with this very well. | Also I believe the solution should accommodate the ability to add | multiple label blocks since we will never know up front how many | prefixes we will allocate and things change, so operationally I | believe this will be required. |=20 | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | [4]Idr@ietf.org | [5]https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr |=20 | References |=20 | Visible links | 1. mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com | 2. mailto:idr@ietf.org | 3. mailto:idr@ietf.org | 4. mailto:Idr@ietf.org | 5. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | Idr@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Sat Nov 22 15:19:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B931A036B for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TO4oXW7YT3Uu for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01C851A036A for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:18:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2492; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416698336; x=1417907936; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GCHok46iDhzeC/UM+u3DvG5sLkyCflRWO/UEnqDUJmY=; b=XbvHRUoo5DtO7hpfZsJXImLlgY7i4+AzPe8ZdlvjtpxmPoMNulaIwIJZ 95l3EIEaWCmIYbkTWXNBVeRzC+GBOA8yts77H8vcoqd4LEVnlyjuTnwcz nVg9CJMAbwEv66CBDfKl4xu8F3x2OQMtUr+4kBmL3ro89mRab+S1DWptF 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFADoZcVStJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABcgmsjVVkEzBMKhmoCgQAWAQEBAQF9hAIBAQEEAQEBNy0HFwQCAQgRBAEBCxQJBycLFAkIAQEEARIIiDkBDM1FAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSQKREBHzgGgymBHwWSaI1Ng1mSDYIKGIFbeIEPOYEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,439,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="374503061" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2014 23:18:55 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAMNItpS007299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:18:55 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:18:54 -0600 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "idr@ietf. org" Thread-Topic: draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN Thread-Index: AdACL5FIvYbC7/pPRc2aItnmUWFA2wEerx1A Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9F48@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: <19096_1416329670_546B79C6_19096_14311_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A072659FF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <19096_1416329670_546B79C6_19096_14311_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A072659FF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.84.20] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/4knPHSyyBEwzrQrw5nQk0vGid0o Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:18:58 -0000 You are free to allocate a prefix-sid for every prefix. However, AFAICT a prefix-sid is only intended for nexthops in a segment list. --Jakob > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > bruno.decraene@orange.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:54 AM > To: idr@ietf. org > Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN >=20 > Hi authors, >=20 > Please find below 2 questions/comments regarding VPN applicability >=20 > 1) Carrier's Carrier (CsC) > In IP VPN CsC, both the customer/CEs and the Service Provider/PE use > labelled BGP routes (respectively 3107, 2547) for the same IP NLRI. > How does the draft handle this? as both usage of the SID attribute > are likely to interfere (especially since both ASes will likely > start their SID number from 1, hence collision is very likely). >=20 > May be adding, in the attribute, the AFI/SAFI of the SID may help. >=20 > 2) SID allocation > Would SID be allocated per AS or per PE? > The former would waste the SRGB space (as 1 VPN prefix would burn a > SRGB/label entry on _all_ PEs). > The latter would create SID/label collision on option B ASBR (SID 1 > allocated on PE1 would collide with SID 1 allocated on PE2) >=20 > Thanks, > Regards, > Bruno >=20 > ____________________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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L2 is redundant. However... when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of segment routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels used by subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to derive them. L1 can be used to get to the nexthop at the end of the first segment, but to derive the subsequent labels in the segment list, the ingress router needs the label index and the SRGB of all the routers in the list. [Thanks to Albert Tian for pointing this out to me. Albert, correct me if I misinterpreted] As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operator not configure all routers with the same SRGB? --Jakob > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:55 AM >=20 > As Robert suggests, the draft is not very explicit about the > significance of the label that is encoded into the NLRI. Suppose > one receives an update where the NLRI prefix is X, the label encoded > into the NLRI is L1, the next hop is N, and the label computed from > the combination of Label Index attribute and N's SRGB label base is > L2. If one is sending a packet to X via N, the draft seems to leave > one with the option of using either L1 or L2 as the label. This > means that N has to have both labels programmed for prefix X. >=20 > Is this really the intention of the authors? If so, then unless L1 > is required to be the same as L2, this doubles the number of labels > that are needed. On the other hand, one could require that L1 be > the same as L2. But in this case, there doesn't seem to be any > point in having the Label Index attribute at all. From nobody Sat Nov 22 16:11:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EDF1A040B for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXq28QczWqSi for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E93BC1A03F9 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hl2so1479404igb.11 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6PhciyDtGs1wdwOZYk/0Q95FMtwZa40e6nRIza/XJ3c=; b=jDoL4EAf0fT7RsSkXt6mDllMEw57sL50DBQpRO+HjSUT04YAJdyRy4lgl4/XBbCQNA cLsEen1xE2X8qFhPQJfdduhCyjM2G8XmDr7XiG0GApAG/Zykb2Yf46ZEAfrfSpTmRy+z 6gRdGLFPGUevfDT3sdp+570mp2hcKWbdjgpM0Xnj3O977r1TXOsPCS1cv5Hlv/ONrysd 7ehYcP5paMsTWLJoWva6ZpauiWjEPyd295miSDfnYLbOSN0O+JN+a7sPPO8oFaI6brJg izRRcOI+qjeUUMQYvxWLZWCSHexb9o1RIWe2NYbLgyNa7Po/zYLcPDkxGYIYLJKS4Q1J JweQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.171.193 with SMTP id aw1mr5203810igc.2.1416701479043; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.171.149 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:11:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9FBB@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: <546617D1.2070606@juniper.net> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9FBB@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:11:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: D7YPUrATouXLAu-wAjHoTrN1Igk Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112ccea69493f05087b84c9 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/KiUNQNj8gSX_l6A4KivEMvnroqE Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:11:27 -0000 --089e0112ccea69493f05087b84c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Jakob, > Those labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to derive them. It is not about what get's advertised with 3107 .. it is about using distance vector (with policy and heavy ECMP) to build your data plane paths which worries me. - - - > As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operator > not configure all routers with the same SRGB? That is not the question to be asked. The question is why would DC operator configure any SRGB at all. For substantial arguments pls see: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/spring/current/msg01188.html Thx, R. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > If only one segment is required to forward a packet, then > we use regular 3107 and only L1 is needed. L2 is redundant. > > However... > > when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of > segment routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels > used by subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those > labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to > derive them. > > L1 can be used to get to the nexthop at the end of the first > segment, but to derive the subsequent labels in the segment list, > the ingress router needs the label index and the SRGB of all the > routers in the list. [Thanks to Albert Tian for pointing this > out to me. Albert, correct me if I misinterpreted] > > As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operator > not configure all routers with the same SRGB? > > --Jakob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:55 AM > > > > As Robert suggests, the draft is not very explicit about the > > significance of the label that is encoded into the NLRI. Suppose > > one receives an update where the NLRI prefix is X, the label encoded > > into the NLRI is L1, the next hop is N, and the label computed from > > the combination of Label Index attribute and N's SRGB label base is > > L2. If one is sending a packet to X via N, the draft seems to leave > > one with the option of using either L1 or L2 as the label. This > > means that N has to have both labels programmed for prefix X. > > > > Is this really the intention of the authors? If so, then unless L1 > > is required to be the same as L2, this doubles the number of labels > > that are needed. On the other hand, one could require that L1 be > > the same as L2. But in this case, there doesn't seem to be any > > point in having the Label Index attribute at all. > > --089e0112ccea69493f05087b84c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jakob,

> Those labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label = index is used to=C2=A0derive them.

It is not about what get's advertised with 3107 .. it is about using= distance vector (with policy and heavy ECMP) to build your data plane path= s which worries me.=C2=A0

- - -=C2=A0

>=C2=A0As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operat= or
not configure all routers with the same SRGB?

That is not the question to be asked.=C2=A0=

The question is w= hy would DC operator configure any SRGB at all.=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Jakob Heitz = (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote:
If only one segment is required to forward a packet, then
we use regular 3107 and only L1 is needed. L2 is redundant.

However...

when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of
segment routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels
used by subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those
labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to
derive them.

L1 can be used to get to the nexthop at the end of the first
segment, but to derive the subsequent labels in the segment list,
the ingress router needs the label index and the SRGB of all the
routers in the list. [Thanks to Albert Tian for pointing this
out to me. Albert, correct me if I misinterpreted]

As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operator
not configure all routers with the same SRGB?

--Jakob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:55 AM
>
> As Robert suggests, the draft is not very explicit about the
> significance of the label that is encoded into the NLRI.=C2=A0 Suppose=
> one receives an update where the NLRI prefix is X, the label encoded > into the NLRI is L1, the next hop is N, and the label computed from > the combination of Label Index attribute and N's SRGB label base i= s
> L2.=C2=A0 If one is sending a packet to X via N, the draft seems to le= ave
> one with the option of using either L1 or L2 as the label.=C2=A0 This<= br> > means that N has to have both labels programmed for prefix X.
>
> Is this really the intention of the authors?=C2=A0 If so, then unless = L1
> is required to be the same as L2, this doubles the number of labels > that are needed.=C2=A0 On the other hand, one could require that L1 be=
> the same as L2.=C2=A0 But in this case, there doesn't seem to be a= ny
> point in having the Label Index attribute at all.


--089e0112ccea69493f05087b84c9-- From nobody Mon Nov 24 07:11:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86FD1A0070; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WC7dQZXnFWhp; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302EE1A6FB0; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:11:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141124151148.26175.69295.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:11:48 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/ntqaCkOvEtQgk54gOxRrMds8dGA Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-redirect-rt-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:11:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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On 11/22/2014 6:52 PM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > If only one segment is required to forward a packet, then > we use regular 3107 and only L1 is needed. L2 is redundant. > > However... > > when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of > segment routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels > used by subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those > labels are NOT advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to > derive them. If the ingress router knows the label advertised by the next hop (L1), and if it knows the SRGB of the next hop, then why can't it just figure out the "label index" by doing a subtraction? Why the need for a separate attribute that specifies the label index? > > L1 can be used to get to the nexthop at the end of the first > segment, but to derive the subsequent labels in the segment list, > the ingress router needs the label index and the SRGB of all the > routers in the list. [Thanks to Albert Tian for pointing this > out to me. Albert, correct me if I misinterpreted] > > As far as SRGB is concerned, why would a data center operator > not configure all routers with the same SRGB? Because the available SRGB values are platform-dependent? > > --Jakob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:55 AM >> >> As Robert suggests, the draft is not very explicit about the >> significance of the label that is encoded into the NLRI. Suppose >> one receives an update where the NLRI prefix is X, the label encoded >> into the NLRI is L1, the next hop is N, and the label computed from >> the combination of Label Index attribute and N's SRGB label base is >> L2. If one is sending a packet to X via N, the draft seems to leave >> one with the option of using either L1 or L2 as the label. This >> means that N has to have both labels programmed for prefix X. >> >> Is this really the intention of the authors? If so, then unless L1 >> is required to be the same as L2, this doubles the number of labels >> that are needed. On the other hand, one could require that L1 be >> the same as L2. But in this case, there doesn't seem to be any >> point in having the Label Index attribute at all. > From nobody Mon Nov 24 13:25:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA5F1A916F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:25:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZcPHHCYzQrj for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 203DC1A8AF0 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1007; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416864315; x=1418073915; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OGoRufbOpCAAnJEIidmsLh74HS238ZNqklXDy4e9Huc=; b=S3tfGHNev2XYfHoESY2XC+e2sVsn0QtqapATzp1+BWlERPhwQbg9yzmN 5qxcYgtV4T2OUaCQ9t+LQfmfnnpwYPVVREwdMbmLwVt71f9KKcNMvT18X pQ50+mOqW4Ej1puKCqJIgGGhJPLJ1iSOebxB9dn7VT9DXUxMOQbHZHOAF E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQFAIuhc1StJV2R/2dsb2JhbABbgmsjgS4E0gcCgSIWAQEBAQF9hAIBAQEEOj8MBAIBCBUBAgoUCQcyFBECBAENBQiIOQHQXAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReQWjEHgy+BHwEEkmijM4N9eIFIgQMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,451,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="374936587" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2014 21:25:14 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAOLPDAj024360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:25:13 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:25:13 -0600 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Eric C Rosen , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHP/9vmRq0AzkPp0EOBA2uEewseHJxgmtqAgAy7LFCAA2RZgP//n5qA Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:25:12 +0000 Message-ID: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141ADB69@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: <546617D1.2070606@juniper.net> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9FBB@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> <54739E3B.2050307@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <54739E3B.2050307@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [128.107.166.49] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/k7hZODmJN4f4WhxgR89ddcLQ6yo Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:25:16 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:08 PM >=20 > See question in-line. >=20 > On 11/22/2014 6:52 PM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > > If only one segment is required to forward a packet, then we use > > regular 3107 and only L1 is needed. L2 is redundant. > > > > However... > > > > when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of > segment > > routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels used by > > subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those labels are > NOT > > advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to derive them. >=20 > If the ingress router knows the label advertised by the next hop > (L1), and if it knows the SRGB of the next hop, then why can't it > just figure out the "label index" by doing a subtraction? Why the > need for a separate attribute that specifies the label index? Because a neighbor may advertise 3 (implicit null) --Jakob From nobody Mon Nov 24 16:21:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754231A6F5A for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:21:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qQ9RrwqMavdE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5BEA1A6F49 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:21:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1462; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416874884; x=1418084484; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=8Esb/LW0N7QycvmUozbx6irMIqGEM0rzu4KiXiyXx4A=; b=Qapu7nXFRT0BoCIySj0UuGloLPqdPfnO0t80FdB58a2SQzxYAL1HwJtv /PVwzJypiml3fFj5h6qyXzpNFBKKz2zxGAKrDCn+abXNoTk/m77CrvrSP AsiEIfcYClPp5kQ0hXwR9K3yiq5kbhNIBblMXkFion7leq8rDu1IGVJQf M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcFAIvKc1StJA2N/2dsb2JhbABbgw5VWQTLEgqGagKBDxYBAQEBAX2EAgEBAQQBAQE3NAsMBAIBCBUBAh4JBycLFBECBAENBYhBDdBVAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSRCweETgEEkmiMGZcag314gUiBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,451,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="99736887" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2014 00:21:24 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAP0LOtL008792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:21:24 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([169.254.3.193]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:21:23 -0600 From: "Saikat Ray (sairay)" To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" , Eric C Rosen , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 Thread-Index: AQHP/9vmRq0AzkPp0EOBA2uEewseHJxgmtqAgAy7LFCAA2RZgP//n5qAgAAQQwA= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:21:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <546617D1.2070606@juniper.net> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9FBB@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> <54739E3B.2050307@juniper.net> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141ADB69@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141ADB69@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-originating-ip: [128.107.166.53] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8E80F0AF4B81BC4793884295B82732E2@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/xrF6qr24HQaHd3SdToe6oFWVkwk Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:21:27 -0000 Also the neighbor might not support SR. I.e., if there is a topology A--B--C, where A and C support SR, but B doesn't. The attribute is needed for C to know what label-index A is using (for A's loopback interface). On 11/24/14, 1:25 PM, "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:08 PM >>=20 >> See question in-line. >>=20 >> On 11/22/2014 6:52 PM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: >> > If only one segment is required to forward a packet, then we use >> > regular 3107 and only L1 is needed. L2 is redundant. >> > >> > However... >> > >> > when we use multiple segments, for which the whole concept of >> segment >> > routing is useful, the ingress router must know the labels used by >> > subsequent segment routers in the segment list. Those labels are >> NOT >> > advertised by RFC3107. The label index is used to derive them. >>=20 >> If the ingress router knows the label advertised by the next hop >> (L1), and if it knows the SRGB of the next hop, then why can't it >> just figure out the "label index" by doing a subtraction? Why the >> need for a separate attribute that specifies the label index? > >Because a neighbor may advertise 3 (implicit null) > >--Jakob > > >_______________________________________________ >Idr mailing list >Idr@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Nov 24 22:00:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30E41A6FD5 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3qH_7z3_6wvW for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30C41A6F57 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01d00875$18ab9c00$4a02d400$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01D0084B.2FD67E60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAIdDW+0Py5ulhdTl+wyGNRRIxVRA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/RQNJzmaH-6_zbbKFAqu1BEFoF1M Cc: "'John G. 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------=_NextPart_000_007D_01D0084B.2FD67E60-- From nobody Mon Nov 24 22:37:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DBD1A0008 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:37:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4BiEwkaLYdhX for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C4B1A0004 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:37:00 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:36:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01D00850.4DB38180" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAIeZgaZi5NX4dzR6Sz/JKb9O2GsA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/CZmUM1Mb05Y2G9gLvAqWwHceYpA Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:37:02 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01D00850.4DB38180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG Adoption call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01 (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ Please include in your comments the "support" or "no support" for either drafts. During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate if there is any IPR related to these drafts. Thank you, Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01D00850.4DB38180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01D00850.4DB38180-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 00:42:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4A51A006D for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MIIo5fLYLnWE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAAE1A006B for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:42:41 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE_01D00861.D9EAFB90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAIiyaWmgwX1nvsRQa7hRd7t65yjg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/S_C-LUgBX86gnJCZVdymNgYm7eI Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" , draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:42:43 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01D00861.D9EAFB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a WG adoption call (11/25 - 12/9/14) for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 which can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/ Please include in your technical comments "support" or "no support". Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01D00861.D9EAFB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Sue Hares and John Scudder

 

------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01D00861.D9EAFB90-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 02:30:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7971A00B6 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:30:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ildWLz4tJQvI for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E01961A009E for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm05.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.1]) by omfedm14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id E138422C14E; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:30:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfedm05.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C44AE35C104; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:30:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::a441:e6a9:6143:6f0f]) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:30:21 +0100 From: To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" Thread-Topic: draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN Thread-Index: AdACL5FIvYbC7/pPRc2aItnmUWFA2wEerx1AAHwAbKA= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:30:20 +0000 Message-ID: <23182_1416911421_54745A3D_23182_1990_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0726D72C@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <19096_1416329670_546B79C6_19096_14311_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A072659FF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9F48@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE5141A9F48@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.11.21.125720 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/lcwvH1CJNhnlXiiw0XO2XJ3lspE Cc: "idr@ietf. org" Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:30:27 -0000 Hi Jakob, > From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) [mailto:jheitz@cisco.com]> Sent: Sunday, Novem= ber 23, 2014 12:19 AM >=20 > You are free to allocate a prefix-sid for every prefix. > However, AFAICT a prefix-sid is only intended for nexthops in a segment l= ist. Could you please elaborate on your last sentence? I'm not sure to catch you= r point nor how this is related to my 2 points. Thanks, Bruno (possibly till jet-lagged :-) ) >=20 > --Jakob >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > bruno.decraene@orange.com > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:54 AM > > To: idr@ietf. org > > Subject: [Idr] draft-keyupate-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-00 & VPN > > > > Hi authors, > > > > Please find below 2 questions/comments regarding VPN applicability > > > > 1) Carrier's Carrier (CsC) > > In IP VPN CsC, both the customer/CEs and the Service Provider/PE use > > labelled BGP routes (respectively 3107, 2547) for the same IP NLRI. > > How does the draft handle this? as both usage of the SID attribute are > > likely to interfere (especially since both ASes will likely start > > their SID number from 1, hence collision is very likely). > > > > May be adding, in the attribute, the AFI/SAFI of the SID may help. > > > > 2) SID allocation > > Would SID be allocated per AS or per PE? > > The former would waste the SRGB space (as 1 VPN prefix would burn a > > SRGB/label entry on _all_ PEs). > > The latter would create SID/label collision on option B ASBR (SID 1 > > allocated on PE1 would collide with SID 1 allocated on PE2) > > > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > Bruno > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > __________ > > _____________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Tue Nov 25 11:15:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0011ACEF2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjv8Srs7Jfqm for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46DF21A87DB for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4826; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416942830; x=1418152430; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Qm340IFOvKGyVd2Zfn/HROJTV2iTSgwvuhDWwgvAD8E=; b=A39BUkFORT3pehMfP7LMM+yGzqGofgDoTh68kswtCR2hJ736p4E0HlWS VQlvksotIJEfkaQ/gbiLxBpAgrWtaxewXzbje+2RgC0Q4gEN8DcLkUPaF xqhP/RKfRDX8DwZtPtXXRMnPVN+IeZHiYnFomcni0AUAV0Q3iIIWTPzpI k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsEFAKDTdFStJV2c/2dsb2JhbABbgkJEUlcEuDiPAYFshksCgRQWAQEBAQF9hAMBAQQdEEwQAgEIDjEHMhQRAgQBDQWIQA3RUAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReQeweETQWQN4IshGWHNIE1P4MajgSECoN8d4FIgQIBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,457,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="375236693" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2014 19:13:48 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com [173.37.183.75]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAPJDmwP014874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:13:48 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.5.22]) by xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([173.37.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:13:48 -0600 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 Thread-Index: AQHQCOPwcToxOST0L0i1vA+wsH0pRQ== Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:13:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D09A3EEE77393aretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/M2Nkyjc4X1xjEMDTzFm9Jbd9s8g Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:13:53 -0000 --_000_D09A3EEE77393aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/25/14, 1:36 AM, "Susan Hares" > wrote: Hi! This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG Adopt= ion call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01 (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ Please include in your comments the =93support=94 or =93no support=94 for = either drafts. During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate if t= here is any IPR related to these drafts. I don=92t know of any IPR related to either draft. Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_D09A3EEE77393aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <7E9A367B3436AB419E8960C31615C193@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi!

This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-a= dd-paths and a WG Adoption call for  draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implem= entation-01

(11/25/14 to 12/9/14)

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/=

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-re= tana-idr-add-paths-implementation/

 

Please include in your = comments the =93support=94 or =93no support=94  for either drafts. &nb= sp;During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate if there is any I= PR related to these drafts.

I don=92t know of any IPR related to either draft.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
--_000_D09A3EEE77393aretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 11:48:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063BF1A87B3 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJych5QGtUEM for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE6D01A1A17 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:46:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5840; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416944795; x=1418154395; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=bhRVjAtdxUlydfxgszrzUirSXSwKbtLTJ8e58tcQqG0=; b=fj/4Y4LSN1PhajR8F1ixiOS556mAYN9YIkdRPZMbZeRXicsTNjbbbXl+ uAye1lvlStDZv7sh/8DJafSss+KWdcGqsn8lE1495PAo27RfpHyvb2Cjw 1QJCdg31TlvWp2mNwDbUO6PX38EN78XIHafeppEr6T1KcXvVtKNQRzbRm 0=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,457,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="375191023" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2014 19:46:35 +0000 Received: from [10.154.165.239] ([10.154.165.239]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAPJkY9K004197; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:46:34 GMT Message-ID: <5474DC9A.5030707@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:46:34 -0800 From: Enke Chen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , Susan Hares , idr wg References: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050503030204020902050404" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/7iDOL3uWRV2w_F_pXFwy3lfjJqo Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:46:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050503030204020902050404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not aware of any IPRs related to the add-path draft either. Thanks. -- Enke On 11/25/14, 11:13 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > On 11/25/14, 1:36 AM, "Susan Hares" > wrote: > > Hi! > > This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a > WG Adoption call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01 > > (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ > > Please include in your comments the “support” or “no support” for > either drafts. During the WG LC, the document authors should > indicate if there is any IPR related to these drafts. > > > I don’t know of any IPR related to either draft. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. --------------050503030204020902050404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am not aware of any IPRs related to the add-path draft either.

Thanks.   -- Enke

On 11/25/14, 11:13 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
On 11/25/14, 1:36 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Hi!

This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG Adoption call for  draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01

(11/25/14 to 12/9/14)

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/

 

Please include in your comments the “support” or “no support”  for either drafts.  During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate if there is any IPR related to these drafts.

I don’t know of any IPR related to either draft.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

--------------050503030204020902050404-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 17:50:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ECF1A8739 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:50:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llgqzJNBSb7z for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31F631A1F04 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BMA79180; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:49:55 +0000 Received: from NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.22]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:49:49 +0800 From: Xuxiaohu To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) Thread-Index: AdAIiyaWmgwX1nvsRQa7hRd7t65yjgAkAWrA Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:49:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082D822F@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.98.134] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082D822FNKGEML512MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FancZyNWhNzptSJqSq4JobAL5Hk Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" , "draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:50:03 -0000 --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082D822FNKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support Xiaohu From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:43 PM To: idr wg Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-= rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) This is a WG adoption call (11/25 - 12/9/14) for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarc= hical-rr-02 which can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/ Please include in your technical comments "support" or "no support". Sue Hares and John Scudder --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082D822FNKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support

 

Xiaohu

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:43 PM
To: idr wg
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf= .org
Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierar= chical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14)

 

This is a WG adoption call (11/= 25 – 12/9/14) for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 which can be = found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/

 

Please include in your technica= l comments “support” or “no support”.   <= o:p>

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 

--_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082D822FNKGEML512MBSchi_-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 20:02:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D941A883E for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYaYg9FHUPhm for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224941A8795 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "idr wg" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <014501d0092d$d1715c30$74541490$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01D00903.E89C8CB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAJLGn51UOFsgCvSlqEUi6t3wCccQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/rMiHc6kMz3jvLfTMbU-18chCRa8 Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] 2 week Adoption call for draft-walton-bgp-route-oscillation-stop (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 04:02:45 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01D00903.E89C8CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is to begin a 2 week adoption call for draft-walton-bgp-route-oscillation-stop. This draft documents BGP Persistent Route Oscillation Solutions. It is part of a package of documents that will be forward to the IESG for the bgp add-path solutions. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-walton-bgp-route-oscillation-stop/ The authors suggest this draft has matured enough to be WG adopted and WG LC at the same time. If you feel this is true please include in your comments: Support WG adoption and Support WG LC. The add-path technology has been discussed for several years, and the authors think deployments show it is a good addition to the bgp protocol mechanisms. Any concerns relating to this technology can be discussed as part of this WG adoption call or other add-path WG Adoption calls. Sue Hares and John Scudder Other Add-paths adoption calls: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg13800.html for: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01D00903.E89C8CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is to = begin a 2 week adoption call for = draft-walton-bgp-route-oscillation-stop.  This draft documents BGP = Persistent Route Oscillation Solutions.   It is part of a = package of documents that will be forward to the IESG for the bgp = add-path solutions. The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-walton-bgp-route-oscillati= on-stop/

 

The authors suggest this draft has matured enough to = be WG adopted and WG LC at the same time.  If you feel this is true = please include in your comments:

Support WG adoption and Support WG LC.   =

 

The add-path technology has been discussed for several = years, and the authors think deployments show it is a good addition to = the bgp protocol mechanisms.   Any concerns relating to this = technology can be discussed as part of this WG adoption call or other = add-path WG Adoption calls.

 

Sue Hares = and John Scudder

 

Other = Add-paths adoption calls:

h= ttp://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg13800.html =

for:

http:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/=

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-imp= lementation/

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0146_01D00903.E89C8CB0-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 20:54:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674C41A8A20 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pFyf9W5fDEEw for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ext3.cumulusnetworks.com (ext3.cumulusnetworks.com [198.211.106.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B11F1A8A23 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ext3.cumulusnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B6614D0B97; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ext3.cumulusnetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext3.cumulusnetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 9679PzlFWRvf; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ext3.cumulusnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027D514CADF6; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cumulusnetworks.com Received: from ext3.cumulusnetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext3.cumulusnetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bS-Id_qrDcg1; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ext3.cumulusnetworks.com (ext3.cumulusnetworks.com [198.211.106.187]) by ext3.cumulusnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2214D0B97; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Walton To: Enke Chen Message-ID: <1756169828.17758432.1416977670727.JavaMail.zimbra@cumulusnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <1754825436.17758428.1416977668877.JavaMail.zimbra@cumulusnetworks.com> References: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> <5474DC9A.5030707@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17758431_1257219118.1416977670725" X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.5.0_GA_3042 (ZimbraWebClient - GC39 (Win)/8.5.0_GA_3042) Thread-Topic: 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 Thread-Index: 1yyNQXh4KInfRzgYLdvFbdXeuxc+tA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/QB-GFKu-yzhTGOw89ltPv_P17V4 Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org, Susan Hares , idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 04:54:35 -0000 ------=_Part_17758431_1257219118.1416977670725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here=20 Daniel=20 From: "Enke Chen" =20 To: "Alvaro Retana" , "Susan Hares" , "= idr wg" =20 Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:46:34 PM=20 Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/1= 4 to 12/9/14=20 I am not aware of any IPRs related to the add-path draft either.=20 Thanks. -- Enke=20 On 11/25/14, 11:13 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:=20 On 11/25/14, 1:36 AM, "Susan Hares" < shares@ndzh.com > wrote:=20 Hi!=20 BQ_BEGIN This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG Adopt= ion call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01=20 (11/25/14 to 12/9/14)=20 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/=20 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/= =20 Please include in your comments the =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cn= o support=E2=80=9D for either drafts. During the WG LC, the document author= s should indicate if there is any IPR related to these drafts.=20 I don=E2=80=99t know of any IPR related to either draft.=20 Thanks!=20 Alvaro.=20 BQ_END _______________________________________________=20 Idr mailing list=20 Idr@ietf.org=20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr=20 ------=_Part_17758431_1257219118.1416977670725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Same here

Daniel


From: "Enke Chen" <enkechen@cisco.com>
To: "Alva= ro Retana" <aretana@cisco.com>, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com>= , "idr wg" <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tool= s.ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:46:34 PM
Subj= ect: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/1= 4 to 12/9/14

I am not aware of any IPRs related to the add-path draft either.

Thanks.   -- Enke

On 11/25/14, 11:13 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
=20
On 11/25/14, 1:36 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Hi!

=20

This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG Adoption call for  draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01

(11/25/14 to 12/9/14)

 

http://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/

 

http:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/

 

Please include in your comments the =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or= =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D  for either drafts.  During the WG LC, the docu= ment authors should indicate if there is any IPR related to these drafts.

I don=E2=80=99t know of any IPR related to either draft.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

=20
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------=_Part_17758431_1257219118.1416977670725-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 22:14:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824E81A1B39 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:14:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvbY_bgr2ofP for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA4B1A1B7A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPF75217; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.39) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:13:56 +0000 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.72]) by nkgeml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:13:48 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) Thread-Index: AdAIiyaWmgwX1nvsRQa7hRd7t65yjgAtM2wQ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:13:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AAE1D72@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.175] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/r89iCDVVmS7bUmgX0I0k6sgs49A Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" , "draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:14:00 -0000 I think the problem is valid and the solution is useful. Support for adopti= on. Thanks, Mingui >-----Original Message----- >From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:43 PM >To: idr wg >Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org >Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical= -rr-02 >(11/25 - 12/9/14) > >This is a WG adoption call (11/25 - 12/9/14) for >draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 which can be found at: > > > >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/ > > > >Please include in your technical comments "support" or "no support". > > > >Sue Hares and John Scudder > > From nobody Tue Nov 25 22:42:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD34F1A1B8D for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:42:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HAJJRSr4hx4 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0858D1A1A34 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BMA98376; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.34) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:42:10 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.193]) by nkgeml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:42:02 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: Mingui Zhang , Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) Thread-Index: AdAIiyaWmgwX1nvsRQa7hRd7t65yjgAtM2wQAADJDEw= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:42:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <01bd01d0088b$c2c08e60$4841ab20$@ndzh.com>, <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AAE1D72@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AAE1D72@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/7Q7PLKS01IhjYaaPFuT-GB_TX3Y Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" , "draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:42:17 -0000 I think this draft provides an applicable solution to solve RT-constrain is= sue in hierarchical RR scenarios, so i support for this adoption. Thanks, weiguo ________________________________________ From: Idr [idr-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Mingui Zhang [zhangmingui@hua= wei.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 14:13 To: Susan Hares; idr wg Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchi= cal-rr-02 (11/25 - 12/9/14) I think the problem is valid and the solution is useful. Support for adopti= on. Thanks, Mingui >-----Original Message----- >From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:43 PM >To: idr wg >Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr@tools.ietf.org >Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical= -rr-02 >(11/25 - 12/9/14) > >This is a WG adoption call (11/25 - 12/9/14) for >draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-02 which can be found at: > > > >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/ > > > >Please include in your technical comments "support" or "no support". > > > >Sue Hares and John Scudder > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr= From nobody Fri Nov 28 00:54:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A768F1A1ADC for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:54:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YV7_YZQ9ndv for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias243.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E9421A1ADA for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfeda06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.199]) by omfeda11.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id B11EC1B84CF; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:54:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.5]) by omfeda06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 90263C80E6; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:54:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([169.254.4.132]) by OPEXCLILH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:54:36 +0100 From: To: Susan Hares , idr wg Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 Week WG Adoption call draft-rosen-idr-rtc-no-rc (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) Thread-Index: AdAIdDW+0Py5ulhdTl+wyGNRRIxVRACdLdYw Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:54:36 +0000 Message-ID: <22144_1417164876_5478384C_22144_6584_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF920C71CB2A@OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <007c01d00875$18ab9c00$4a02d400$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <007c01d00875$18ab9c00$4a02d400$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF920C71CB2AOPEXCLILM34corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.11.28.64820 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/jjAdKCdcFMm-n5xux5P_o1D2YM8 Cc: "'John G. 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From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 07:37
To: idr wg
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/2= 5/14 to 12/9/14

 

This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-a= dd-paths and a WG Adoption call for  draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implem= entation-01

(11/25/14 to 12/9/14)

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/=

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-re= tana-idr-add-paths-implementation/

 

Please include in your = comments the “support” or “no support”  for ei= ther drafts.  During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate i= f there is any IPR related to these drafts.

 

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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF920C71CB31OPEXCLILM34corp_-- From nobody Fri Nov 28 12:11:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0A11A0143 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9B36vmXlA5p1 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91301A00D6 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A5B55C16E; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:11:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:11:37 -0500 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20141128201137.GI1274@pfrc> References: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/s4Iwq_cGvvWizse-Ex7aQXyIM2o Cc: idr wg , draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:11:39 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 01:36:51AM -0500, Susan Hares wrote: > This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG > Adoption call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01 > > (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ Support/ I believe this document is ready for publication. > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ Support. I'd also suggest this document get published at the end of the add-paths package work so we give time for any stragglers to get data in. (For example, my submission for Juniper is missing interop data, which I don't have ready access to, but I suspect that the company has.) -- Jeff From nobody Sat Nov 29 11:51:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364DD1A1E10 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X12yfqyNTpDi for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com (mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com [67.231.145.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2D51A02F1 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004348 [127.0.0.1]) by m0004348.ppops.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sATJi8N6003830; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=fb.com; h=message-id : date : from : mime-version : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=facebook; bh=a+p/rG5BeHUEdq+cHxyMZ/0ULKQv+8i3pYcBXi/fUkw=; b=ieHkktAu+jryDDcAy//i43l7QlSmnNlx0sUuR/UduUoNPhJIED+5WR01X2lPxzuW4lqi wiw7NY742XU5pW1Ozp1rML4Rsd8kESYOlmj1xwGf8i7uCBHKqDqkE36CmYXwwzxRKm43 OCG+zKnkbGDHAVqjQFwz897+3S6AoyzJCr8= Received: from mail.thefacebook.com ([199.201.64.23]) by m0004348.ppops.net with ESMTP id 1qy61psjvm-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:44 -0800 Received: from [172.26.30.29] (192.168.16.4) by mail.TheFacebook.com (192.168.16.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <547A23CD.3010807@fb.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:51:41 -0700 From: Ebben Aries MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , idr wg References: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00ee01d0087a$3688ed40$a39ac7c0$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.16.4] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68, 1.0.33, 0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-29_03:2014-11-28,2014-11-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=fb_default_notspam policy=fb_default score=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=0 circleOfTrustscore=0 compositescore=0.925924926977281 urlsuspect_oldscore=0.925924926977281 suspectscore=2 recipient_domain_to_sender_totalscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 recipient_to_sender_totalscore=0 recipient_domain_to_sender_domain_totalscore=9065 rbsscore=0.925924926977281 spamscore=0 recipient_to_sender_domain_totalscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1411290155 X-FB-Internal: deliver Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/uICxZf3NJ2pqBHaze27fQDTFwuw Cc: draft-ietf-idr-add-paths@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 Week WG last Call for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths 11/25/14 to 12/9/14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:51:47 -0000 support On 11/24/2014 11:36 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-add-paths and a WG > Adoption call for draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation-01 > > (11/25/14 to 12/9/14) > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-add-paths/ > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-retana-idr-add-paths-implementation/ > > Please include in your comments the “support” or “no support” for > either drafts. 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During the WG LC, the document authors should indicate > if there is any IPR related to these drafts. > > Thank you, > > Sue Hares and John Scudder > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr