From nobody Mon Jun 1 00:10:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AAC1A8A93 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w4uGYPuTBKGq for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias243.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1211E1A8A91 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfeda07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.200]) by omfeda14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 617842AC21B; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.75]) by omfeda07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 21179158085; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:09:59 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcFZhI02dMMr/nT2G7OxxFIHkvDgAI8FZw Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 07:09:59 +0000 Message-ID: <24936_1433142600_556C0548_24936_4974_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F598C82@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F598C82OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.5.31.180316 Archived-At: Cc: 'Robert Raszuk' , 'Paul Jakma' , 'Shane Amante' , "draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 07:10:10 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F598C82OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communiti= es and draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. Support. We need a flexible and powerful tool for the next 10+ years. This draft has been discussed for quite some time in closed circles. We now= need broader discussions. I'm not aware of non-disclosed IPR. /Bruno From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:51 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: 'Robert Raszuk'; jhaas@pfrc.org; draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tool= s.ietf.org; 'Shane Amante'; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; 'Paul Jakma'; andrew.la= nge@alcatel-lucent.com Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities= and draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be fo= und at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communitie= s/ Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno Decrae= ne, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether they know = of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG docum= ent (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), We have included= a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 - 11:30am EDT), th= ere will be a short review of the technology and time to discuss the draft = with Robert Raszuk. Please discuss a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to draft-ietf-idr-as= 4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP deployments, and c) Any technical issues on the draft. As always, indicate "support" or "no support" within the comment. Sue Hares and John Scudder =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A bit of history: RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved ranges) as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value]. RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended community with a designated type field, and defines two sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community. An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtyp= e-07) specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended commun= ity. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Administrator | Local Administrator | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. [From draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. The container header has: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Flags | Hop Count | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Registered/Local Community Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source AS Number | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Context AS Number | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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> This begins a 2 week WG ad= option call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and draft-raszuk-register= ed-wide-bgp-communities.

&n= bsp;

Support= .

&n= bsp;

We need= a flexible and powerful tool for the next 10+ years.=

This dr= aft has been discussed for quite some time in closed circles. We now need b= roader discussions.

&n= bsp;

I’= ;m not aware of non-disclosed IPR.

&n= bsp;

/Bruno<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: Susan Ha= res [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:51 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'Robert Raszuk'; jhaas@pfrc.org; draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communiti= es@tools.ietf.org; 'Shane Amante'; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; 'Paul Jakma'; an= drew.lange@alcatel-lucent.com
Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoptio= n call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and draft-raszuk-registered-wi= de-bgp-communities.   These drafts can be found at:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/

http://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities/

 

Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Ha= as, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Ste= enbergen) should indicate whether they know of any IPR.   Since t= his proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07),  We= have included a bit of history below.  At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00= – 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and t= ime to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk.

 

Please discuss  

a) &nbs= p;     If these drafts s= hould be adopted in addition to draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-sub= type-07,

b) &nbs= p;     whether the new f= lexible format is useful for BGP deployments, and

c) &nbs= p;     Any technical issues on= the draft.

 

As always, indicate “supp= ort” or “no support” within the comment.

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

A bit of history:

 

RFC 1997 defines the BGP Commun= ity attribute (except for 2 reserved ranges)

as 4 octets [2 octets AS number= , 2 octets local-defined value]. 

RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS e= ncoding, and suggested using

extended communities [RFC 4360]= to encoding 4 octet AS numbers.

 

RFC5668 defines a format for a = four-octet AS specific extended

community with a designated typ= e field, and defines two

sub-types: Four-octet specific = Route Target extended community and

Four-octet specific Route Origi= n extended community. 

An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-= idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07

(https://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07)<= /o:p>

specifies a generic sub-type fo= r the four-octet AS specific extended community.

 

    0  &nb=
sp;            =
    1         &=
nbsp;         2   &n=
bsp;            =
;   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 =
6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-&#=
43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&#=
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    | 0x02 or 0x42  | &nbs=
p;   0x04      |    =
       Global     &n=
bsp;        |
    +-+-+-+-+-&#=
43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&#=
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    |    Administrato=
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    +-+-+-+-+-&#=
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-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&#=
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   Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octe=
ts
   This sub-field contains a four-octet A=
utonomous System number.
 
   Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octet=
s
      This sub-field conta=
ins a value that can influence routing
      policies. This value=
 has semantics that are of significance for
      the Autonomous Syste=
m in the Global Administrator field.
 

[From draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-e= xtcomm-generic-subtype-07]

 

Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communiti= es suggests a new BGP Path Attribute,

that provides more flexible enc= oding than these WG RFCs and draft.

 

The wide BGP header includes a = Container header and community.

The container header has: =

 

      0  =             &nb= sp;    1        &nbs= p;          2   = ;            &n= bsp;   3

      0 1 2 3 4 5 6= 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =           Type  &nbs= p;           |  = ;   Flags     |   Hop Count &n= bsp; |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =          Length   &n= bsp;         |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+

 

      0 &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     1        = ;           2  =             &nb= sp;    3

      0 1 2 3 4 5 6= 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =             Register= ed/Local Community Value        &nb= sp;       |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =             &nb= sp;        Source AS Number  &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =             &nb= sp;       Context AS Number   =             &nb= sp;       |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =          Wide Community Target(s) T= LV (optional)          &n= bsp; |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =      Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional)&nb= sp;       |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

     |   =        Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optio= nal)           |

     +-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+

       &n= bsp;            Figu= re 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1

 
 

 

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu=
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a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el=
ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou =
falsifie. Merci.

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te this message and its attachments.
As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been =
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Thank you.
--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F598C82OPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Mon Jun 1 00:21:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F86D1A8AC2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IxYxPIk1yxCw for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.mail.exa.net.uk (out-1.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.4.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A17B1A8ABD for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk [82.219.5.1]) by out-1.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTP id 033D91C0044; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:20:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTP id E3EDF22119D; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:20:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from [82.219.212.34] (ptr-34.212.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk [82.219.212.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: thomas@mangin.com) by smtp-1.mail.exa.net.uk (ExaSMTPD) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: "Thomas Mangin" To: idr@ietf.org Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 08:20:51 +0100 Message-ID: <35DABAB3-5FE4-419A-87AE-105947ADDB3E@exa-networks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.1r5084) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at out-2-2.mail.exa.net.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org, Paul Jakma , Shane Amante , Robert Raszuk , Bruno Decraene Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 07:20:58 -0000 wholeheartedly support. Thomas http://exa.net.uk/about/contact-us On 1 Jun 2015, at 3:50, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities > and draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can > be > found at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities > / > > > > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno > Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether > they > know of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and > IDR WG > document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), We > have > included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 - > 11:30am > EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and time to > discuss the > draft with Robert Raszuk. > > > > Please discuss > > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP > deployments, and > > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > > > > As always, indicate "support" or "no support" within the comment. > > > > Sue Hares and John Scudder > > > > ================= > > A bit of history: > > > > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved > ranges) > > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value]. > > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > > > > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > > community with a designated type field, and defines two > > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community. > > An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype > -07) > > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended > community. > > > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > > > [From draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > > > > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, > > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > > > > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > > The container header has: > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Length | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Registered/Local Community Value | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Source AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Context AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Jun 1 00:28:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D241A8AD0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5Vo4Hahx7rA for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x236.google.com (mail-wg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A59431A8AD4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgez8 with SMTP id z8so106285807wge.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:28:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uqzQ/QTYOhcJs9x0lugPhjRDW559+EOMe9BgMYQHtvE=; b=IEuWuRu1fRiv3R6YTa8HQ2DB5CvhaDrpEWpUJsYfGck2/YPQSvs0Als2vW3GCsfoOP 9KKnJiE/a/7irwsLGvbuTkh3Xr8EYk3t/k2unnmaO5WH3s+Fa8V4FXd5w0ApHXOL4UwX GuNpxkyFODZV/cL1B+ZzOeFaxJA/1G95CddV6IarVDB+tj84zf8+J4Z5HL15Qi63hxmp RM5sZZJWCspgeRaqlBcQcLWZ+ruv7kfAKkUxTCJKJdgvx/Uy+qRq5gqgSQF8pv3jX7IP xxVjvppva4ip9q8TQs1GX/QM6PWgZT/wqbpsR+AbUMmkiX9FY6SNfS0OiMpndS5x2lsh ldxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.198.166 with SMTP id jd6mr17731136wic.48.1433143703414; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.4.81 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:28:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:28:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K3_eJv8gLYe5lEh4Oh1Z5YP4uaw Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b66f2f15ab9ad05176fc571 Archived-At: Cc: idr wg , Paul Jakma , Shane Amante , Bruno Decraene , "draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 07:28:27 -0000 --047d7b66f2f15ab9ad05176fc571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR associated with any of those documents. Support for both - as co-author. - - - As to the clarification regarding relation to standard or extended communities (including their 4 octet AS extension) the proposed encoding is not intended to replace it. All functionalities which depend on current communities will work as usual without any changes. BGP wide communities are mainly proposed to simplify the operational aspects for application of BGP policies. Many thx, Robert. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and > draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be found > at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communit= ies/ > > > > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno > Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether th= ey > know of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR W= G > document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), We have > included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 =E2=80= =93 11:30am > EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and time to discuss > the draft with Robert Raszuk. > > > > Please discuss > > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP deployments, > and > > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > > > > As always, indicate =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2= =80=9D within the comment. > > > > Sue Hares and John Scudder > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > A bit of history: > > > > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved > ranges) > > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value]. > > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > > > > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > > community with a designated type field, and defines two > > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community. > > An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > > ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subty= pe-07 > ) > > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended > community. > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > > > > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > > > > [From draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > > > > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, > > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > > > > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > > The container header has: > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Length | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Registered/Local Community Value | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Source AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Context AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 > > > > > --047d7b66f2f15ab9ad05176fc571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not a= ware of any IPR associated with any of those documents.=C2=A0

Support for both - as co-author.

- - -=C2=A0

As to the clarification regarding = relation to standard or extended communities (including their 4 octet AS ex= tension) the proposed encoding is not intended to replace it. All functiona= lities which depend on current communities will work as usual without any c= hanges.=C2=A0

BGP wide= communities are mainly proposed to simplify the operational aspects for ap= plication of BGP policies.

Many thx,
Robert.

=

On Mo= n, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote= :

This begins a 2 week WG adoption ca= ll for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and draft-raszuk-registered-wide-b= gp-communities. =C2=A0=C2=A0These drafts can be found at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities/

=C2=A0

Authors (Robe= rt Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno Decraene, Paul Jakm= a, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether they know of any IPR.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG docume= nt (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07),=C2=A0 We have incl= uded a bit of history below.=C2=A0 At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 =E2=80=93= 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and time to d= iscuss the draft with Robert Raszuk.

=C2=A0

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a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0If th= ese drafts should be adopted in addition to draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm= -generic-subtype-07,

b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= /span>=C2=A0whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP deploy= ments, and

c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any technical issues on the draft.

=C2=A0

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Sue Hares and John Scudder

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Thread-Index: AdCcgbrlxv3MnEJXTa+/DG/xvKFSJg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Minutes and proceedings from interim X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:06:08 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01D09C61.C2EE43E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0125_01D09C61.C2EE43E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0125_01D09C61.C2EE43E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The slides, virtual blue sheets, and minutes of the IDR interim (6/1/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30 am EDT) are available at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/01/idr/proceedings.html This interim provided information on the following drafts under WG Adoption or WG LC 1) draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt (WG LC) [5/20 to 6/4] 2) draft-want-idr-eag-distribution-02 [5/20 to 6/4] 3) BGP Wide communities drafts (draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities, draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities-00 ) [WG adoption 5/31 to 6/14] 4) Draft-litowski-idr-rtc-interas (WG adoption 5/31 to 6/14) 5) Draft-previdi-idr-bgp-ls- segment-routing-epe-03 (WG Adoption 5/31 to 6/14) The next IDR interims are: . Monday 6/15 at 10:00 - 11:30 am EDT, Topic is the BGP Yang modules. . Monday 6/29 at 10:00 - 11:30am EDT, Topics Yang, Router-Servers, Next-Hop and others At IDR meetings, your draft may have only 5-7 minutes for presentation and discussion. Interims are times where the WG can meeting virtual and take time to discuss your presentation verbal. Interim meetings questions will be summarized on the mail. Please send your proposals for talks for either interim to shares@ndzh.com and jgs@juniper.net. Thank you, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_001_0125_01D09C61.C2EE43E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The = slides, virtual blue sheets, and minutes of the IDR interim (6/1/2015 at = 10:00 – 11:30 am EDT) are available at:

 

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/01/idr/proceeding= s.html

 

This interim provided information on the following = drafts under WG Adoption or WG LC

1)      = draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt (WG LC)  [5/20 to = 6/4]

2)      = draft-want-idr-eag-distribution-02 [5/20 to = 6/4]

3)      = BGP Wide communities drafts = (draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities, draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities-00 ) [WG = adoption 5/31 to 6/14]

4)      = Draft-litowski-idr-rtc-interas (WG adoption 5/31 = to 6/14)

5)      = Draft-previdi-idr-bgp-ls- segment-routing-epe-03 = (WG Adoption 5/31 to 6/14)

 

The next IDR = interims are:

·         = Monday 6/15 at 10:00 – 11:30 am = EDT, Topic is the BGP Yang modules.

·         = Monday 6/29 at 10:00 – 11:30am EDT, = Topics Yang, Router-Servers, Next-Hop and others

 

At IDR = meetings, your draft may have only 5-7 minutes for presentation and = discussion.  Interims are times where the WG can meeting virtual = and take time to discuss your presentation verbal.   Interim = meetings questions will be summarized on the mail. =  

 

Please send your proposals for talks for either = interim to shares@ndzh.com and jgs@juniper.net.

 

Thank you, =

 

Sue Hares

 

 

------=_NextPart_001_0125_01D09C61.C2EE43E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01D09C61.C2EE43E0 Content-Type: text/html; name="idr-interim-06-01-2015-Minutes-v2.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="idr-interim-06-01-2015-Minutes-v2.html" =0A= =0A= =0A= idr-interim-06-01-2015-Minutes=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= DR Working Group Interim 6/1/2015 [10:00 - 11:30am = EDT]    
Agenda     
1= ) Agenda Bashing [10:00 - = 10:05]           &= nbsp;
2) BGP Wide communities = [draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities] 
    Robert = Raszuk [10:05 - 10:10] [Discussion: 10:10-10:20]
    = http:/= ;/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communiti= es/ 
  • [Sue]: The WG adoption = call 
  • [Robert]: Any feedback is welcome or use = cases. 
    
3) BGP RTC = [10:25-10:50)
    a) Chair overview of RTC choices = [10:20-10:25]
    b) draft-litowski-idr-rtc-interas = (Adoption 5/31 to 6/14) = [10:25-10:35]
       [Jeff = Haas]
       
  •     Jeff Haas: The general advise is = don't prune in specific cases.
    • [Jeff = review the problem statement in the slides]  
    • Two = cases exist and are discussed in the draft.  (see = slides) 
    • However in specific situations, the configuration = can allow pruning.
    • Stefano has captured the situation in the = draft. 
  • Jeff: In my opinoin would should pick one for = the purposes of standardization,
    • However. = both are valid methods.  One issue is that Juniper and = cisco
    • deal with the pruning differently.
      • Juniper prunes upon import (E-BGP and = I-BGP)
      • Cisco only on E-BGP.
    • We should discuss this = on the list. 
  • Sue: This is a good = idea. 

    c) Discussion = [10:35-10:45]

    RTC drafts reviewed in = Chair's slides 
    1) draft-ietf-rtc-no-rtc = (WG LC 5/22 to 6/5 in = progress)
        http:/&#x= 2F;datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt/<= br>    2) draft-litkowski-idr-rtc-interas (WG adoption = call 5/31 to = 6/14) 
        http:/&= #x2F;datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-litkowski-idr-rtc-interas&#= x2F;
    3)  = draft-ietf-idr-legacy-rtc-05   (WG = draft)
        http://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-legacy-rtc/
=     4) draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-00 (WG = draft)
        http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierar= chical-rr/

4) BGP Link state model additions:  = [10:45-11:10]

  a. draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution Update = [Michael Wang] [10:45-10:55] 
  b. = draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segement-routing-epe-03 [Jie Dong] = [10:55-11:05]
  Discussion: 
  • Jie: = draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 
    • uses the PeerSID instead of the Adj-SID (only for = the Peer Segment). 


Additional notes = from the -03 draft: 
    • Peer SID - is Peer-Segment = identifier  discussed in  section = 4.3. 
    •  Peer-SID: SID representing the = peer of the BGP session.  
      • The = format is the same as defined for the Adj-SID = in
      • I-D.gredler-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-extension].  = Suggested
      •  codepoint value: = 1036
    • Peer-Set-SID: the SID representing = the group the peer is part of.
      • The format = is the same as defined for the Adj-SID = in
      •  [I-D.gredler-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-extension]. = ;
      • Suggested codepoint value: = 1037
    • Note:  Peer-SID MUST be present = when BGP-LS is used for the use case
      •   = when BGPLS is used for the use case described = in
      •     described in = [I-D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-central-epe] and
      • It may = be  MAY be omitted for other use = cases.

    c. Discussion of = Acee's suggestion [11:05-11:15]
  • [Sue]: = Our plan is to coordinate OSPF, ISIS, and = BGP 
  
  Existing ls drafts = are:
    1) draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-10 (In IESG = processing)
    2) = draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-impl-04 (IESG wants No draft, but wiki = input)
    3) draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-03 = (WG draft )
 
    Proposed additions = are:
   1) draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution (WG Adoption = 5/20 to 6/3)
    2) = draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03(WG Adoption 5/31 to = 6/14)
    3) = draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-00 (no request for = adoption)
    4) = draft-­‐zhuang-­‐idr-­‐bgp-­‐= ls-­‐sbfd-­‐extensions-­‐00 (no request = for = adoption) 
    
     = Acee suggestlast week on simplifying ISIS/IGP = additions
     to = draft-idr-ls-distribution.  Should = we? 
      (http:&#x= 2F;/www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current&#x= 2F;msg14425.html)        &nbs= p;        
   &= nbsp;
    = Discussion: 
        Sue: Any = objections to use Acee's suggestion for OSPF and ISIS bgp-ls = work? 
        = [Silence] 
       
 &n= bsp;  5) BGP I2RS Use = Case
        = draft-keyupate-idr-i2rs-bgp-usecases-00.txt [Sue Hares] = [11:15-11:30]
        = Discussion: 
        &nbs= p;   [no = comments] 
        
We= b ex: https:/&#= x2F;ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm689576316eaf19b397fbe242a= 310725f
Meeting number: 649 193 = 591         
Meeting = password:   = john.knows.all        
1-877-6= 68-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)
1-650-479-3208 = Call-in toll number = (US/Canada)        
IDR = Minutes:         http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interi= m-6-01-2015-vBlueSheets       &nbs= p;        
Proceedings: <= br>
Next Interims: 6/15 (Yang models) and 6/29 (Route = Server, Tools, Yang, and = nexthop)        



<= /body>=0A= =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01D09C61.C2EE43E0-- From nobody Mon Jun 1 14:17:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7051B343A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p5_cg3_1sOLk for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A035A1B3429 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: idr@ietf.org Received: from cupcake.foobar.org ([IPv6:2001:4d68:2002:100:0:0:0:110]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t51LGwcg067915 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2015 22:17:00 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.netability.ie: Host [IPv6:2001:4d68:2002:100:0:0:0:110] claimed to be cupcake.foobar.org Message-ID: <556CCBCA.6070308@foobar.org> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:16:58 +0100 From: Nick Hilliard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , IETF IDR Working Group References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:17:08 -0000 On 01/06/2015 03:50, Susan Hares wrote: > Please discuss > > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, yes, draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype is still restricted to 48 bits of community space, which is insufficient for flexible management of asn32 based networks. > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP deployments, and yes, asn32s have serious deployment problems due to poor bgp community support. This draft - if implemented by vendors - will provide a long term fix for that problem. > c) Any technical issues on the draft. I am concerned that the draft will be complicated both to implement and to operate. However, it provides the sort of hooks that advanced operators would dearly like to have. > As always, indicate “support” or “no support” within the comment. fully support. Nick From nobody Mon Jun 1 14:37:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DA61A0068 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2StaipP8-P1Q for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66DE1A005C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=184.157.80.157; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Nick Hilliard'" , "'IETF IDR Working Group'" References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> <556CCBCA.6070308@foobar.org> In-Reply-To: <556CCBCA.6070308@foobar.org> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: <023501d09cb3$313ee970$93bcbc50$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJg7LE/xZJIxYjXt4BODNqSVdP/UAHvrmx0nGgPFBA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:37:48 -0000 Nick: I can understand how the draft will be complex to implement along with other communities. Can you describe how you think the draft will be complicated to operate? Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:nick@foobar.org] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 5:17 PM To: Susan Hares; IETF IDR Working Group Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) On 01/06/2015 03:50, Susan Hares wrote: > Please discuss > > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, yes, draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype is still restricted to 48 bits of community space, which is insufficient for flexible management of asn32 based networks. > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP deployments, and yes, asn32s have serious deployment problems due to poor bgp community support. This draft - if implemented by vendors - will provide a long term fix for that problem. > c) Any technical issues on the draft. I am concerned that the draft will be complicated both to implement and to operate. However, it provides the sort of hooks that advanced operators would dearly like to have. > As always, indicate "support" or "no support" within the comment. fully support. Nick From nobody Mon Jun 1 16:00:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850F31A1A8B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vAoQYN9hl9rS for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7959D1A1AFF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: idr@ietf.org Received: from cupcake.foobar.org ([IPv6:2001:4d68:2002:100:0:0:0:110]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t51N0era069707 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Jun 2015 00:00:41 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.netability.ie: Host [IPv6:2001:4d68:2002:100:0:0:0:110] claimed to be cupcake.foobar.org Message-ID: <556CE417.3070807@foobar.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 00:00:39 +0100 From: Nick Hilliard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , "'IETF IDR Working Group'" References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> <556CCBCA.6070308@foobar.org> <023501d09cb3$313ee970$93bcbc50$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <023501d09cb3$313ee970$93bcbc50$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 23:00:45 -0000 On 01/06/2015 22:37, Susan Hares wrote: > I can understand how the draft will be complex to > implement along with other communities. Can you describe how you think the > draft will be complicated to operate? Hi Sue, At the moment, most operators use basic communities which require an match / comparison / regexp against what is basically an integer value. This is simple to express and match in pretty much all bgp implementation grammars. raszuk-wide-bgp-communities requires that each community target be matched against a complicated n-tuple of parameters - section 9 of the draft shows some potential examples. This makes the business of matching and managing community values a much more complicated affair, particularly if you run in a multivendor environment or else if your bgp communities cross AS boundaries. Nick From nobody Mon Jun 1 16:16:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7791A1ADB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBD2w7WwPBQF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D13681A1AD0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wign10 with SMTP id n10so2025348wig.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XvHKCs1uuPhNJAep30G/XhR5DjKMvklB3j+OENIYbYc=; b=Ug/n1hdVRRGYHDkyfl1WNTWvavRm0qDRVqia9naTW0lRYh4we12PrWnZSpGVmpkUGR KxiGGQ+4a2QURauvoOb6ccTMZL56SnMW8nJitUgVp8DoTuGjoYiqI2943DmPVM5aQ7f1 B1uyHQRS1RASR4rkZL8DPsRhnwoIQcqCmHOicQ/gzteGsIxVL/6GKQTt0bSi3SmLKBZ5 aHt0on6vw9gNiVW+QPoN1DEKJKI6T4jOQ1pPfJL91/HTd7fmhxxDvGZ5aOZOBgIzRPBb 0RuMZFxDJ9M2iXFpG6eK4Z8Ws2OOYgW2UkhCR/7lpaLMPd5TcPMYN+IQ70RrCsNLm17m dAvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.85.116 with SMTP id g20mr45546885wjz.154.1433200590563; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.4.81 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <556CE417.3070807@foobar.org> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> <556CCBCA.6070308@foobar.org> <023501d09cb3$313ee970$93bcbc50$@ndzh.com> <556CE417.3070807@foobar.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:16:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: X3ZpUEx1TDTFlLg-HEEmok1Dcx0 Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Nick Hilliard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcfd5017b0e105177d040e Archived-At: Cc: IETF IDR Working Group , "draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org" , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 23:16:34 -0000 --047d7bfcfd5017b0e105177d040e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Nick, Thank you for your comment. However I would like to bring one point which maybe was not clear and needs to be made very clear. Your comment is true in respect for locally defined wide bgp communities where you (as the operator) need to define both the community and the policy how to handle it. However that complication is not intended to be exposed to operators using registered wide bgp communities as those by the respective policy implementations should be self executive. Of course still subject to normal enable/disable/filter actions. Regards, R. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 01/06/2015 22:37, Susan Hares wrote: > > I can understand how the draft will be complex to > > implement along with other communities. Can you describe how you think > the > > draft will be complicated to operate? > > Hi Sue, > > At the moment, most operators use basic communities which require an match > / comparison / regexp against what is basically an integer value. This is > simple to express and match in pretty much all bgp implementation grammars. > > raszuk-wide-bgp-communities requires that each community target be matched > against a complicated n-tuple of parameters - section 9 of the draft shows > some potential examples. This makes the business of matching and managing > community values a much more complicated affair, particularly if you run in > a multivendor environment or else if your bgp communities cross AS > boundaries. > > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --047d7bfcfd5017b0e105177d040e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nick,

Thank you for your comment.=C2=A0

However I would like to bring one point = which maybe was not clear and needs to be made very clear.=C2=A0

Your comment is true in respect = for locally defined wide bgp communities where you (as the operator) need t= o define both the community and the policy how to handle it.=C2=A0

However that complication is n= ot intended to be exposed to operators using registered wide bgp communitie= s as those by the respective policy implementations should be self executiv= e. Of course still subject to normal enable/disable/filter actions.=C2=A0

Regards,
R.


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Nick Hi= lliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
On 01/06/2015 22:37, Susan Hares wrote:
> <WG chair hat off > I can understand how the draft will be compl= ex to
> implement along with other communities.=C2=A0 Can you describe how you= think the
> draft will be complicated to operate?

Hi Sue,

At the moment, most operators use basic communities which require an match<= br> / comparison / regexp against what is basically an integer value.=C2=A0 Thi= s is
simple to express and match in pretty much all bgp implementation grammars.=

raszuk-wide-bgp-communities requires that each community target be matched<= br> against a complicated n-tuple of parameters - section 9 of the draft shows<= br> some potential examples.=C2=A0 This makes the business of matching and mana= ging
community values a much more complicated affair, particularly if you run in=
a multivendor environment or else if your bgp communities cross AS boundari= es.

Nick


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<556D3F3B.4020205@lahai.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 06:29:31 +0100 From: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idr@ietf.org References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 05:29:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 fully support. long overdue. - -gaurab On 6/1/15 3:50 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and > draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can > be found at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-commu nities/ > > > > > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, > Bruno Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should > indicate whether they know of any IPR. Since this proposal > relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG document > (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), We have > included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 – > 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and > time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk. > > > > Please discuss > > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP > deployments, and > > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > > > > As always, indicate “support” or “no support” within the comment. > > > > Sue Hares and John Scudder > > > > ================= > > A bit of history: > > > > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved > ranges) > > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value]. > > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > > > > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > > community with a designated type field, and defines two > > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community. > > An IDR WG document: > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-s ubtype-07) > > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific > extended community. > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > > > > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > > > > [From draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > > > > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path > Attribute, > > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > > > > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > > The container header has: > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Length | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Registered/Local Community Value | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Source AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Context AS Number | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > - -- http://www.gaurab.org.np/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAlVtPzsACgkQSo7fU26F3X0DVwCcDXldltBUO1oQm1FVbUMaf2B6 fpsAn1uLO6LLes59dltcq8lqV+w4jSm4 =WdsW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Jun 2 01:11:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C7A1A8769 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5JQaV8oVUquv for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CF351A8766 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.64]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 0F04BBF85B0E5; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:11:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t528Betm009732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Jun 2015 04:11:40 -0400 Received: from alange.lra.lucent.com (135.5.27.16) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (135.5.2.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 04:11:39 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_36CCD194-AC06-4BFE-941C-51E89A48FFA6" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Andrew Lange In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:11:29 -0700 Message-ID: <16D14FF1-6715-4044-84E4-B7E5D2A86961@alcatel-lucent.com> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Originating-IP: [135.5.27.16] Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, Robert Raszuk , Paul Jakma , Shane Amante , Bruno Decraene , draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 08:11:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_36CCD194-AC06-4BFE-941C-51E89A48FFA6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I do not know of any IPR issues with this draft, or it=92s predecessors, = starting with my flexcomms draft in 2002. Andrew On May 31, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be = found at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ > = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communiti= es/ > =20 > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno = Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether = they know of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and = IDR WG document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), = We have included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 = =96 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and = time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk. > =20 > Please discuss =20 > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP = deployments, and > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > =20 > As always, indicate =93support=94 or =93no support=94 within the = comment. > =20 > Sue Hares and John Scudder > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > A bit of history: > =20 > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved = ranges) > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value].=20 > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > =20 > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > community with a designated type field, and defines two > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community.=20 > An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subty= pe-07) > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended = community. > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > =20 > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > =20 > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > =20 > [=46rom draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > =20 > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > =20 > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > The container header has: > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Registered/Local Community Value | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Source AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Context AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 --Apple-Mail=_36CCD194-AC06-4BFE-941C-51E89A48FFA6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252"
I = do not know of any IPR issues with this draft, or it=92s predecessors, = starting with my flexcomms draft in = 2002.

Andrew

On May 31, = 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week = WG adoption call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities.   These drafts = can be found at:
 
Authors = (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno Decraene, = Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether they know = of any IPR.   Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and = IDR WG document = (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07),  We have = included a bit of history below.  At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 =96 = 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology and time to = discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk.
 
Please = discuss  
a)       If = these drafts should be adopted in addition to = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07,
b)       whether = the new flexible format is useful for BGP deployments, = and
c)       Any technical = issues on the draft.
 
As always, = indicate =93support=94 or =93no support=94 within the = comment.
 
Sue Hares = and John Scudder
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
A bit of = history:
 
RFC 1997 = defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved = ranges)
as 4 octets [2 = octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined = value]. 
RFC 4893 introduced = 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using
extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 = octet AS numbers.
 
RFC5668 = defines a format for a four-octet AS specific = extended
community with a = designated type field, and defines two
sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target = extended community and
Four-octet = specific Route Origin extended community. 
An IDR WG document: = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07
specifies = a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended = community.
 
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bsp;           =
1            &=
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2            &=
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    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 =
4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
    | 0x02 or =
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  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
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Administrator        =
|
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
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   Global Administrator sub-field: 4 =
octets
   This sub-field =
contains a four-octet Autonomous System =
number.
 
   Local Administrator sub-field: 2 =
octets
      =
This sub-field contains a value that can influence =
routing
      =
policies. This value has semantics that are of significance =
for
      =
the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator =
field.
 
[=46rom = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07]
 
Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path = Attribute,
that provides more = flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft.
 
The = wide BGP header includes a Container header and = community.
The container header = has:
 
      = 0            &= nbsp;      = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 = 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |             = Type           &nbs= p;  |     Flags     = |   Hop Count   |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            = Length           &n= bsp; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      0     =             &n= bsp; = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 = 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;  Registered/Local Community = Value           &nb= sp;    |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;           Source = AS = Number           &n= bsp;           = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;          Context AS = Number           &n= bsp;           = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            Wide = Community Target(s) TLV = (optional)          &nbs= p; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |        Wide Community Exclude = Target(s) TLV (optional)        = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |          Wide Community = Parameter(s) TLV = (optional)           = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
           &= nbsp;        Figure 4: Wide BGP = Community Type = 1

= --Apple-Mail=_36CCD194-AC06-4BFE-941C-51E89A48FFA6-- From nobody Tue Jun 2 02:18:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B894E1B29D8 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 02:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3ADF5-b9THO for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6098C1B29D3 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibut5 with SMTP id ut5so62677961wib.1 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2015 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yhdRsSacub6GoI3DmJswGA6wI4l8ygmSYlgwvReFLkM=; b=UoIdn0rlHXpnOhQswcNyk1T65/hr4IpSqknBIJI3o+VkhhTu+xPXeU++FAxNYUW/cR yBoip1/VKBoXmcTpnpEZysojlXK4G3i1Jklb9SKBtA+Qtl53uVb2L55o9DMM629rLQQi zqVpO0tbCeakAmmkkM4kWCH6xb36L9E2E8Put7i1aXvAr3Ed4PhvzwEZR97PEWPcdEQW ZX3MLuzve0DTSIceMLjiU+QaMTuGn3dXFQ7iNv/ki3evJRuYzgPTyA6PmzCbLcPWoipy GZdWW5AZjgExPbtdQ1HXE1oMZwtS8YWMNv9aKq1TV55f3VIaShIczEGbtnliXBEtPbja RbfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.91.107 with SMTP id cd11mr27937173wib.51.1433236730077; Tue, 02 Jun 2015 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.4.81 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 02:18:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150530055345.15364.12184.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 11:18:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _3cMo5S7s6t-goMc_J0XZLjfs1E Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Liangqiandeng Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf742cfe660517856eed Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgTmV3IFZlcnNpb24gTm90aWZpY2F0aW9uIGZv?= =?utf-8?q?r_draft-liang-idr-flowspec-orf-00=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 09:18:53 -0000 --f46d043bdf742cfe660517856eed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > maybe it' better to establish BGP session between the ASBRs from differen= t > sites for disseminating their FlowSpec rules to each other. > =E2=80=8BMaybe it is better though completely not practical to recommend we= b of eBGP multihop sessions between peers =E2=80=8Bwhich do not know each other = and have no peering agreements. Moreover notice that in such case for validation purposes unicast traffic would also need to be send over such direct peering what in turn means that it would have to be encapsulated. 2.Actually,our draft doesn't oppose the validation procedures as described > in section 6 of RFC5575, > =E2=80=8BI commented on your example where you say that flow would go to AS= BR1. It would not if you validate it. =E2=80=8B should support. In this case we think the FlowSpec-ORF is valuable. > =E2=80=8BORF in general is about pushing your inbound filter to a peer. Her= e we are talking about installing inbound filters for flow spec routes and pushing it to a peer. How do you know what to reject if the flow information is dynamic by nature .. created upon detection of DDoS ? I am having problem envisioning a scenario that some of my peers push me ORF stating "I do not want to hear of flow spec routes from you which: - contain match on port XX - contain match on SRC/DST address x.x.x.x - contain action drop etc" That way flow spec effectiveness for DDoS is reduced significantly. Best, r. > > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *=E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 *Robert Raszuk > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2015=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8830=E6=97= =A5 17:25 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Haoweiguo; Qiandeng Liang > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* idr@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for > draft-liang-idr-flowspec-orf-00.txt > > > > Hello Weiguo, > > > > Hi All, > A new draft of "BGP FlowSpec Outbound Route Filter" was proposed. > Your comments and suggestions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > weiguo > > > > > > =E2=80=8BLet me provide few comments =E2=80=8Bwhy I think this work shoul= d be rather > abandoned right at its -00 version: > > > > > > section 3.1 Figure 1 > > > > "Therefore, ASBR2 can send to ASBR1 a set of FlowSpec-ORF > > that can be used by ASBR1 to filter its outbound FlowSpec rules to > > ASBR2." > > > > - The above would result in dropping part of the flow descriptions betwee= n > ASBR 1 and ASBR 2 such that neither ASBR 3 nor ASBR 4 would be able to ev= er > receive it. Note that ASBR 2 may act only as transit and may not be willi= ng > to enable foregin filtering in their data plane at all. However it should > have not limit it to carry BGP control plane SAFI 133 or 134 to the > legitimate peers. So pushing Flow Spec ORF from ASBR 2 to ASBR 1 would be > counterproductive. > > > > > > section 3.1 Figure 2 > > > > "Furthermore, ASBR2 and ASBR3 will distribute the FlowSpec rules to > > ASBR1 and ASBR4 respectively." > > > > > > - Sending FlowSpec information to ASBR1 would be acting against validatio= n > procedures as described in section 6 of RFC5575 which say: > > > > "A flow specification NLRI must be validated such that it is > > considered feasible if and only if: > > > > a) The originator of the flow specification matches the originator of > > the best-match unicast route for the destination prefix embedded > > in the flow specification." > > > > > > Summary: > > > > I think we should not suppress propagation of filtering rules in BGP > control plane provided they are legitimate (ie. pass validation procedure= ) > just based on cherry picking on the match or actions criteria they contai= n. > > > > Practically amount and churn of the amount of flow spec information woul= d > be rather in white noise levels compared to what BGP should be ready to > carry. > > > > However if one would like to limit those other already available tools > could be used: longer MRAI timer, dedicated BGP session for SAFI 133/134 > with different input processing, FS NLRI dampening etc ... > > > > > > =E2=80=8BRegards, > > r.=E2=80=8B > > > --f46d043bdf742cfe660517856eed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

maybe it' better to e= stablish BGP session between the ASBRs from different sites for disseminati= ng their FlowSpec rules to each other.

<= div>
=E2=80=8BMaybe it is better though co= mpletely not practical to recommend web of eBGP multihop sessions between p= eers =E2=80=8Bwhich do not know each other and have no peering agreements.= =C2=A0

Moreover notice= that in such case for validation purposes unicast traffic would also need = to be send over such direct peering what in turn means that it would have t= o be encapsulated.=C2=A0

2.Actually,our draft doesn&= #39;t oppose the validation procedures as described in section 6 of RFC5575= ,


= =E2=80=8BI commented on your example where you say that flow would go to AS= BR1. It would not if you validate it. =E2=80=8B

=

should support. In this case we think the FlowSpec-ORF is valuable.

=
=C2=A0
=E2=80=8BORF in general is about p= ushing your inbound filter to a peer. Here we are talking about installing = inbound filters for flow spec routes and pushing it to a peer.=C2=A0
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ;font-size:small">
How do you know what to reje= ct if the flow information is dynamic by nature .. created upon detection o= f DDoS ?=C2=A0

I am ha= ving problem envisioning a scenario that some of my peers push me ORF stati= ng=C2=A0

"I do no= t want to hear of flow spec routes from you which:

- contain match on port XX
- contain match on SRC/DST address x.x.x.x
- contain action drop=C2=A0
etc"

That way flow spec effectiveness= for DDoS is reduced significantly.=C2=A0

Best,
r.

=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Robert Raszuk
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8830=E6=97=A5= 17:25
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Qiandeng Liang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: idr@ietf.org<= br> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-liang-idr-flowspec-orf= -00.txt

=C2=A0

Hello Weiguo,

=C2=A0

Hi = All,
A new draft of "BGP FlowSpec Outbound Route Filter" was proposed.=
Your comments and suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
weiguo

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BLet me provide few comments =E2=80= =8Bwhy I think this work should be rather abandoned right at its =C2=A0-00 = version:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

section 3.1 Figure 1

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Therefore, ASBR2 can sen= d to ASBR1 a set of FlowSpec-ORF

=C2=A0 =C2=A0that can be used by ASBR1 to f= ilter its outbound FlowSpec rules to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0ASBR2."

=C2=A0

- The above would result in dropping part o= f the flow descriptions between ASBR 1 and ASBR 2 such that neither ASBR 3 = nor ASBR 4 would be able to ever receive it. Note that ASBR 2 may act only as transit and may not be willing to enable foregin filteri= ng in their data plane at all. However it should have not limit it to carry= BGP control plane SAFI 133 or 134 to the legitimate peers. So pushing Flow= Spec ORF from ASBR 2 to ASBR 1 would be counterproductive.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

section 3.1 Figure 2

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Furthermore, ASBR2 and A= SBR3 will distribute the FlowSpec rules to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0ASBR1 and ASBR4 respectively.&= quot;

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

- Sending FlowSpec information to ASBR1 wou= ld be acting against validation procedures as described in section 6 of RFC= 5575 which say:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

"A flow specification NLRI must be val= idated such that it is

=C2=A0 =C2=A0considered feasible if and onl= y if:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0a) The originator of the flow = specification matches the originator of<= u>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the best-match unicast= route for the destination prefix embedded

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 in the flow specificat= ion."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Summary:

=C2=A0

I think we should not suppress propagation = of filtering rules in BGP control plane provided they are legitimate (ie. p= ass validation procedure) just based on cherry picking on the match or actions criteria they contain.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Practically amount and =C2=A0churn of the a= mount of flow spec information would be rather in white noise levels compar= ed to what BGP should be ready to carry.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

However if one would like to limit those ot= her already available tools could be used: longer MRAI timer, dedicated BGP= session for SAFI 133/134 with different input processing, FS NLRI dampening etc ...=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BRegards,

r.=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0


--f46d043bdf742cfe660517856eed-- From nobody Tue Jun 2 04:20:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D41AC3C8 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 04:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfSJERTHiEXj for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 04:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0775.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:775]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 356E81A7008 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 04:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=hannes@juniper.net; Received: from hannes-mba.local (66.129.239.11) by CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.73.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.172.22; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 11:20:29 +0000 Received: from hannes-mba.local (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by hannes-mba.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EAD1395161; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:20:23 +0200 From: Hannes Gredler To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20150602112023.GB6151@hannes-mba.local> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Originating-IP: [66.129.239.11] X-ClientProxiedBy: CY1PR0101CA0024.prod.exchangelabs.com (25.162.170.34) To CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.73.146) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(520003)(3002001); SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; X-Forefront-PRVS: 05954A7C45 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(24454002)(199003)(47776003)(66066001)(83506001)(19580395003)(76506005)(64706001)(54356999)(50986999)(50466002)(76176999)(46406003)(23726002)(15975445007)(77096005)(68736005)(92566002)(106356001)(122386002)(122856001)(77156002)(97736004)(62966003)(5001860100001)(4001350100001)(81156007)(4001540100001)(5001830100001)(110136002)(5001960100002)(189998001)(97756001)(86362001)(19580405001)(105586002)(230783001)(33656002)(561944003)(40100003)(2950100001)(46102003)(98436002)(101416001)(87976001)(579124003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; H:hannes-mba.local; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2015 11:20:29.4110 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO1PR05MB442 Archived-At: Cc: keyupate@cisco.com, idr@ietf.org, draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org, cfilsfil@cisco.com, raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 11:20:47 -0000 hi sue, have worked with the authors and they have addressed all my concerns; so, support as a non-author; /hannes On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:26:46PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: | This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for | draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, | Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any | IPR. The draft can be found at: | | | | [1]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ | | | | In the discussion, please consider: | | a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point | topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the | internet, | | b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and | | c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. | | | | Susan Hares and John Scudder | | | | References | | Visible links | 1. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | Idr@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jun 2 14:59:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4941B3100 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doWgdMfRUT66 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439F41B30F4 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=184.157.80.157; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Hannes Gredler'" References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> <20150602112023.GB6151@hannes-mba.local> In-Reply-To: <20150602112023.GB6151@hannes-mba.local> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 17:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01d09d7f$630f2a10$292d7e30$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQE9C1gbaNdxZ/rXuKUGEwMQ19iKCwJWMmcGnq42TOA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: keyupate@cisco.com, idr@ietf.org, draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org, cfilsfil@cisco.com, raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:59:24 -0000 Hannes: I'm happy to hear the concerns you mentioned earlier were addressed in the latest draft. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Hannes Gredler [mailto:hannes@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 7:20 AM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org; cfilsfil@cisco.com; raysaikat@gmail.com; keyupate@cisco.com; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) hi sue, have worked with the authors and they have addressed all my concerns; so, support as a non-author; /hannes On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:26:46PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: | This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for | draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, | Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any | IPR. The draft can be found at: | | | | [1]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-e pe/ | | | | In the discussion, please consider: | | a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point | topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the | internet, | | b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and | | c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. | | | | Susan Hares and John Scudder | | | | References | | Visible links | 1. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ | _______________________________________________ | Idr mailing list | Idr@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jun 2 15:13:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581DE1A8AF4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qhKX-AIFa6i for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F321A8AED for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 00:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5949; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433144929; x=1434354529; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=YZpsdfR8gAKkH/0qDgZCy8ESC3dWgKtgwkEVfyA+V8U=; b=bsvk8UMl/V69tgQd135ymCsBozx9283DO0ogGIta/eKO8mDvZUEwqMda P6Nvl3ElMFRwVWkcttetIttYqat1SqLcbR3Sc4hW7dhjdcdd8x/vOSAnq TJ7Pk+97hvBig/04FZycwWLeY4cPbB8E6yeS0hFOL9u8vXg0xZEVlTTOo I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AlBQDMDWxV/5hdJa1cgkVLVF6wHI1SPCoJgVyFdQKBJzgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCIBAQEEHVwMBAIBCBUCCyQhER0IAgQBDQUIiBADEg3QOA2EdgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLQ4JNgggxBwaDEYEWBZBOgjyENYUEgVqBKD6DM4sUhwQjgjuBPW+CRwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,531,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="155082278" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2015 07:48:48 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com [173.36.12.84]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t517mm74012923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Jun 2015 07:48:48 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.61]) by xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com ([173.36.12.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 02:48:48 -0500 From: "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" To: "idr@ietf.org" , "shares@ndzh.com" Thread-Topic: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AQHQnD9kvACKaqt0GEyeMoVjSIMCBQ== Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 07:48:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E0A1DE675FEC854ABF07D319E556FE6447B794A3xmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 15:13:05 -0700 Cc: "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" , "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 07:48:51 -0000 --_000_E0A1DE675FEC854ABF07D319E556FE6447B794A3xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, There is IPR in the process of being disclosed. Thanks. s. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com] Received: Monday, 01 Jun 2015, 5:26 To: idr@ietf.org [idr@ietf.org] CC: 'John G. Scudder' [jgs@juniper.net]; Alvaro Retana (aretana) [aretana@c= isco.com]; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org [draf= t-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org]; jie.dong@huawei.co= m [jie.dong@huawei.com]; mach.chen@huawei.com [mach.chen@huawei.com]; Keyur= Patel (keyupate) [keyupate@cisco.com]; Stefano Previdi (sprevidi) [sprevid= i@cisco.com]; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) [cfilsfil@cisco.com]; raysaikat@= gmail.com [raysaikat@gmail.com] Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routin= g-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_E0A1DE675FEC854ABF07D319E556FE6447B794A3xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

There is IPR in the process of being disclosed.

Thanks.

s.

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Received: Monday, 01 Jun 2015, 5:26
To: idr@ietf.org [idr@ietf.org]
CC: 'John G. Scudder' [jgs@juniper.net]; Alvaro Retana (aretana) [ar= etana@cisco.com]; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.or= g [draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org]; jie.dong@hu= awei.com [jie.dong@huawei.com]; mach.chen@huawei.com [mach.chen@huawei.com]; Keyur Patel (keyupate) [keyup= ate@cisco.com]; Stefano Previdi (sprevidi) [sprevidi@cisco.com]; Clarence F= ilsfils (cfilsfil) [cfilsfil@cisco.com]; raysaikat@gmail.com [raysaikat@gma= il.com]
Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment= -routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-prev= idi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The authors (Stefano, Clare= nce, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. =  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/

 

In the discussion, please consider:

a)      Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point t= opologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet,

b)      Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS= , and

c)       The technical merits and issues with this proposal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

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charset=utf-8 I am not aware of any IPR. I support both documents. -shane > On May 31, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be = found at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ = > = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communiti= es/ = > =20 > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno = Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether = they know of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and = IDR WG document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), = We have included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 = =E2=80=93 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology = and time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk. > =20 > Please discuss =20 > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP = deployments, and > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > =20 > As always, indicate =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno = support=E2=80=9D within the comment. > =20 > Sue Hares and John Scudder > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > A bit of history: > =20 > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved = ranges) > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value].=20 > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > =20 > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > community with a designated type field, and defines two > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community.=20 > An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subty= pe-07 = ) > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended = community. > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > =20 > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > =20 > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > =20 > [=46rom draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > =20 > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > =20 > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > The container header has: > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Registered/Local Community Value | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Source AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Context AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail=_B3191685-8726-4E0A-955C-4BE965DB860C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I am not aware of any IPR.

I support both documents.

-shane


On = May 31, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities.   These drafts = can be found at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communit= ies/
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bg= p-communities/
 
Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, = Shane Amante, Bruno Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) = should indicate whether they know of any IPR.   Since this = proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG document = (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07),  We have = included a bit of history below.  At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 = =E2=80=93 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology = and time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk.
 
Please discuss =  

a)      =  If these drafts should be adopted in = addition to draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07,

b)      =  whether the new flexible format is = useful for BGP deployments, and

c)       = Any technical issues on the draft.

 
As always, = indicate =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D = within the comment.
 
Sue Hares and John Scudder
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
A bit of history:
 
RFC 1997 defines = the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved ranges)
as 4 octets [2 octets AS = number, 2 octets local-defined value]. 
RFC 4893 introduced 4 = byte AS encoding, and suggested using
extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet = AS numbers.
 
RFC5668 defines a = format for a four-octet AS specific extended
community with a = designated type field, and defines two
sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended = community and
Four-octet specific Route Origin extended = community. 
An = IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-gen= eric-subtype-07)
specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS = specific extended community.
 
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bsp;           =
1            &=
nbsp;      =
2            &=
nbsp;      3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 =
8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
    | 0x02 or 0x42  =
|     0x04      =
|           =
Global           &n=
bsp;  |
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
    |    =
Administrator          &=
nbsp;   |    Local =
Administrator        |
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
 
   Global Administrator sub-field: 4 =
octets
   This sub-field contains a four-octet =
Autonomous System number.
 
   Local Administrator sub-field: 2 =
octets
      This sub-field contains =
a value that can influence routing
      policies. This value has =
semantics that are of significance for
      the Autonomous System in the =
Global Administrator field.
 
[=46rom = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07]
 
Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP = Path Attribute,
that = provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft.
 
The wide BGP = header includes a Container header and community.
The container header = has:
 
      = 0            &= nbsp;      = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 = 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |             = Type           &nbs= p;  |     Flags     = |   Hop Count   |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            = Length           &n= bsp; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
=
      0    &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 = 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;  Registered/Local Community = Value           &nb= sp;    |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;           Source = AS = Number           &n= bsp;           |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;          Context AS = Number           &n= bsp;           |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            Wide = Community Target(s) TLV = (optional)          &nbs= p; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |        Wide Community Exclude = Target(s) TLV (optional)        |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |          Wide Community = Parameter(s) TLV = (optional)           = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
          &nb= sp;         Figure 4: Wide BGP = Community Type 1
 
 
 

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x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.197.38.1] X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.6.3.82415 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-idr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-02 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:21:22 -0000 Hello, In the context of Routing Area QA reviews (see https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDirDocQa ), I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. //// Note well: this review comes as a complement to a first review I did last September. //// Document: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-05 Reviewer: Thomas Morin Review Date: 2015-06-02 Intended Status: standards track *Summary:* This document is I think ready for publication. *Comments:* This is overall a very well written document, with a clear goal and addressing its target goal. Although it is all about local behavior, it makes sense to make a standard track document that (a) can be used as a reference for implementors and deployers to implement this properly, and (b) keep track of these features in future evolutions of the protocol (as motivated in the Conclusion section of the document). The document has taken into account my comments made on -02, and has gone to additional changes that bring significant improvements to the document. *Major Issues:* No major issues found *Minor Issues:* - it sounds weird to name "customer C" the customer attached to ISP B, not naming it, or naming it CE-B would better match figures 4 and 5 - figures 1 and 2 could be left-right reversed to match fig 4 and 5 - "are service interrupting to the eBGP sessions of the PE", maybe could be worded as "result in a service interruption of eBGP sessions of the PE" ? 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From nobody Wed Jun 3 17:23:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F309C1B30BF; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkOfJwoSU5L6; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4903F1B30BD; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=184.157.80.157; From: "Susan Hares" To: , , References: <13866_1433323275_556EC70B_13866_4773_1_556EC70B.6040400@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <13866_1433323275_556EC70B_13866_4773_1_556EC70B.6040400@orange.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01d09e5c$9fd1a1c0$df74e540$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLEyG2j02hAi5wNFuesk0/0X/0o5puzKFZA Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-02 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 00:23:04 -0000 Thomas:=20 Thank you for sending in this review.=20 Sue Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = thomas.morin@orange.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:21 AM To: idr@ietf.org; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-02 Hello, In the context of Routing Area QA reviews (see = https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDirDocQa ), I have = been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The = Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. //// Note well: this review comes as a complement to a first review I = did last September. //// Document: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as-migration-05 Reviewer: Thomas Morin Review Date: 2015-06-02 Intended Status: standards track *Summary:* This document is I think ready for publication. *Comments:* This is overall a very well written document, with a clear goal and=20 addressing its target goal. Although it is all about local behavior, it makes sense to make a=20 standard track document that (a) can be used as a reference for=20 implementors and deployers to implement this properly, and (b) keep=20 track of these features in future evolutions of the protocol (as=20 motivated in the Conclusion section of the document). The document has taken into account my comments made on -02, and has=20 gone to additional changes that bring significant improvements to the=20 document. *Major Issues:* No major issues found *Minor Issues:* - it sounds weird to name "customer C" the customer attached to ISP B,=20 not naming it, or naming it CE-B would better match figures 4 and 5 - figures 1 and 2 could be left-right reversed to match fig 4 and 5 - "are service interrupting to the eBGP sessions of the PE", maybe could = be worded as "result in a service interruption of eBGP sessions of the=20 PE" ? (or, at least, "service-interrupting", with a dash) _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages = electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme = ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged = information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. 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From nobody Thu Jun 4 08:25:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1252B1B32CF for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQs9A8585wCZ for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F6AF1B32D0 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BTH06632; Wed, 03 Jun 2015 02:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.72) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 03:53:15 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.243]) by SZXEMA413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.72]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:53:03 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8ABjYRwA Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 02:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.135] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE28B4716D3SZXEMA510MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 08:25:52 -0700 Cc: "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" , "keyupate@cisco.com" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 02:53:22 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE28B4716D3SZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, Support the adoption as co-author. And I am not aware of any IPR related to this document. Best regards, Mach From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy); Mach Chen; keyupate@cis= co.com; sprevidi@cisco.com; cfilsfil@cisco.com; raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routin= g-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE28B4716D3SZXEMA510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,

 

Support the adoption as co-author.

 

And I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; draft-previdi-idr-= bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy); Mach Chen; keyup= ate@cisco.com; sprevidi@cisco.com; cfilsfil@cisco.com; raysaikat@gmail.com<= br> Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment= -routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoptio= n call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The au= thors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if t= hey know if any IPR.  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/<= /span>

 

In the discussion, please consi= der:

a= )   &= nbsp;  Does this addition to B= GP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topologies provides useful information= for BGP deployments in the internet,

b= )   &= nbsp;  Are there scaling issue= s in adding this information to BGP-LS, and

c= )   &= nbsp;   The technical merits an= d issues with this proposal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE28B4716D3SZXEMA510MBXchi_-- From nobody Thu Jun 4 08:25:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D12D1B3203 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQdAzuak576Y for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 899B21B3201 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BWY00623; Thu, 04 Jun 2015 02:19:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 03:19:15 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.152]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:19:07 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8ACUhIGw Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 02:19:06 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92757D56309@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.97.131] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92757D56309nkgeml512mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 08:25:52 -0700 Cc: "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" , "keyupate@cisco.com" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 02:19:21 -0000 --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92757D56309nkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, I support the adoption. As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR related. Best regards, Jie From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy); Mach Chen; keyupate@cis= co.com; sprevidi@cisco.com; cfilsfil@cisco.com; raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routin= g-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92757D56309nkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,

 

I support the adoption.

 

As a co-author, I am n= ot aware of any IPR related.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; draft-previdi-idr-= bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy); Mach Chen; keyup= ate@cisco.com; sprevidi@cisco.com; cfilsfil@cisco.com; raysaikat@gmail.com<= br> Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment= -routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoptio= n call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The au= thors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if t= hey know if any IPR.  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/<= /span>

 

In the discussion, please consi= der:

a= )   &= nbsp;  Does this addition to B= GP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topologies provides useful information= for BGP deployments in the internet,

b= )   &= nbsp;  Are there scaling issue= s in adding this information to BGP-LS, and

c= )   &= nbsp;   The technical merits an= d issues with this proposal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92757D56309nkgeml512mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Jun 4 08:55:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DD41A8AB2 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 08:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yMKtNZahqAZZ for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 08:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE7051A8A0F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2729; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433433351; x=1434642951; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=LaYF6KaTVqwTlf8ixqcwtFclGtcoOll4Cu+XC0JrIBo=; b=IDP49hjxsOESDViIBxp8ub2g32mP+A24voRzaAgJkXZQhJD++bs28Rue MoQ5XIBrVk2rpzXGnSoR1XWlFIGbZrk5RCxLn3zywIIoNLQORE0mQFQOV vP8Gi2GU56p9bqS+24nWCm/VxZFN+35a7CUWbiRs+Ps7ToOD4USA3neUb M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AvBADyc3BV/4MNJK1bgkVLgTIGvj8Jh1ECgTg4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQjAQEEHVwQAgEIBDsHMhQRAQEEAQ0FiC3bSAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLQ4UGB4QtBZBbgj+LJJdQJII6gT1vgUaBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,553,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="156274781" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2015 15:55:51 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com [173.36.12.83]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t54FtpRI013812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:55:51 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.5]) by xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com ([173.36.12.83]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:55:50 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 week adoption call for draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-02 (5/22 to 6/5) Thread-Index: AdCUgStIhDpb4dxxSaCmWd/Taovc3AADBOYAAAiqVoACjdkKgA== Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:55:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <006f01d09482$17c489c0$474d9d40$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D195EC63B4EFCaretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week adoption call for draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-02 (5/22 to 6/5) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:55:53 -0000 --_000_D195EC63B4EFCaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/22/15, 11:53 AM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" > wrote: In the future, I=92m wondering if we could standardize the BGP Link State e= ncoding in the corresponding IGP documents? It seems like it would be possi= ble since it is simply the TLV mapping and the IANA code point(s). I definitely agree with this too. We just need to make sure that the IGP documents are reviewed in idr as wel= l. Besides communicating (sending an e-mail, presenting at a meeting, etc.= ) that a draft with BGP LS extensions exists somewhere else, I would also l= ike to see a joint WGLC. Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_D195EC63B4EFCaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 5/22/15, 11:53 AM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

In the future, I=92m wondering if we could standardize the BGP Link State e= ncoding in the corresponding IGP documents? It seems like it would be possi= ble since it is simply the TLV mapping and the  IANA code point(s).&nb= sp;

I definitely agree with this too.

We just need to make sure that the IGP documents are reviewed in idr a= s well.  Besides communicating (sending an e-mail, presenting at a mee= ting, etc.) that a draft with BGP LS extensions exists somewhere else, I wo= uld also like to see a joint WGLC.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
--_000_D195EC63B4EFCaretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Jun 4 10:04:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E861A03A6; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id szT3aAwOSGMk; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D71A03A1; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150604170416.3374.28557.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:04:16 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:04:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : North-Bound Distribution of Link-State and TE Information using BGP Authors : Hannes Gredler Jan Medved Stefano Previdi Adrian Farrel Saikat Ray Filename : draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-11.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2015-06-04 Abstract: In a number of environments, a component external to a network is called upon to perform computations based on the network topology and current state of the connections within the network, including traffic engineering information. This is information typically distributed by IGP routing protocols within the network. This document describes a mechanism by which links state and traffic engineering information can be collected from networks and shared with external components using the BGP routing protocol. This is achieved using a new BGP Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) encoding format. The mechanism is applicable to physical and virtual IGP links. The mechanism described is subject to policy control. Applications of this technique include Application Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) servers, and Path Computation Elements (PCEs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-ls-distribution-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jun 7 18:04:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433E31A1A12 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhB2wwMCpmd2 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680FB1A1A40 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9341; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433725449; x=1434935049; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=qzJEZm4KHoKP5Xo4IGylP3w+rR1UULr/+owFa6Xz+Os=; b=FMsN5gWtMA2QV/c2HK1dTtF7gPx3jCN2fFTvfrCxYz14AzLyPxkfukQQ mbOQxeL9dZhqrdvkyXZn5DzvPGvFQWCPBbL0WKYYzoOqgC4RWKH3noPot Tqw6Wb0b1mD9fVr8xoJLWZ2OsEHVRUvvjLJeW5TyKbt6MYDWno1wBnsHY 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BZBQCa6XRV/49dJa1cgkVLVF4GsCmOFCoJgWKFdwKBGjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCIBAQEEHRBMEAIBCA4DBAEBCxkEByERFAkIAQEEAQ0FCIgQAxINyHgNhSUBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXi0OCTYIIMQYBgxeBFgWTLoRAhQqDD0CDOosqhwoRE4I6gT1vgUaBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,570,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="157148865" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2015 01:04:08 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com [173.36.12.89]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t58148Ia030861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:04:08 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.166]) by xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com ([173.36.12.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 20:04:08 -0500 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8AFbGHfg Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:04:07 +0000 Message-ID: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.24.16.156] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167xmbalnx02ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:04:12 -0000 --_000_075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167xmbalnx02ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have reviewed and support this draft. --Jakob From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (keyupat= e); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-= routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167xmbalnx02ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reviewed and support this draft.

 

--Jakob

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (= keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-prev= idi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The authors (Stefano, Clare= nce, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. =  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/

 

In the discussion, please consider:

a)      Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egre= ss point topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the = internet,

b)      Are there scaling issues in adding this information= to BGP-LS, and

c)       The technical merits and issues with this proposal.=

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

--_000_075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167xmbalnx02ciscoc_-- From nobody Sun Jun 7 18:11:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA821A1A76 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c01t7leRzqkW for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7A91A1A75 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:11:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=12976; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433725887; x=1434935487; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=ugWyfiKFM1ArkLomQ+xTzrQ8xhfeKcmam3RqxdrGBWY=; b=JU/KhVpaH7LZtpFZaKuziDV91ymMjgtc4R7ngdI/VgQt5dAYNQF3k4Za uKkYbCDDGbAMJWKh2nHhB3CBQW9HidljPM9nreCb1Hj8oZIUsxmdZNZar 0DN/Lz57Qc58qH7y9FTGSzQ8odk8LVYV8khoOaWu+LvNMw7xzgSOV1OTt w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CXBQDR6nRV/5RdJa1cgkVLVF4GsCmNWDwqCYFihXcCgRo4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQiAQEBBB0QTBACAQgRAwEBASQEByERFAkIAQEEAQ0FiBgDEg3IeQ2FJQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLQ4JNgigRBgGELQWTLoRAhQqBYIEvQIM6iyqHChETgjqBPW+BRoEBAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,570,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="157103713" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2015 01:11:26 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t581BQXg005716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:11:26 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.15]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 20:11:26 -0500 From: "Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie)" To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" , Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8AFbGHfg///gwoA= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:11:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.9.150325 x-originating-ip: [10.24.73.112] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D19A39731E40Abduvivieciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:11:29 -0000 --_000_D19A39731E40Abduvivieciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reviewed and support for WG adoption Best Regards Bertrand Duvivier From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" > Date: Sunday 7 June 2015 18:04 To: Susan Hares >, "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "Keyur (keyupate" >, "dra= ft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" >, Clarence Filsfils >, "raysaikat@gmail.com" > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segm= ent-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) I have reviewed and support this draft. --Jakob From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= @tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-= routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_D19A39731E40Abduvivieciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <341F2433DA40564DA879A796889FAA3A@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reviewed and support for WG adoption
Best Regards Bertrand Duvivier



From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)&qu= ot; <jheitz@cisco.com>
Date: Sunday 7 June 2015 18:04
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf= .org>
Cc: "Keyur (keyupate" <= ;keyupate@cisco.com>, "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" <draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org>,= Clarence Filsfils <cfilsfil@cisco= .com>, "raysaikat@gmail.= com" <raysaikat@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adopti= on call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

I have reviewed and support this draft= .

 

--Jakob

 

From: Idr [mailt= o:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-prev= idi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The authors (Stefano, Clare= nce, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. =  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/

 

In the discussion, please consider:

a)   =    Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP = egress point topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in = the internet,

b)   =    Are there scaling issues in adding this informa= tion to BGP-LS, and

c)   =     The technical merits and issues with this propo= sal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

 --_000_D19A39731E40Abduvivieciscocom_-- From nobody Sun Jun 7 19:17:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A659E1B2A9B for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FeDyHuJL4rtW for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x231.google.com (mail-ob0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 005301B2A99 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbqz1 with SMTP id qz1so70523786obb.3 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 19:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=C4hI5hXF/m01fAhTYvRejygiGVweCGhCGeIKOURkG78=; b=Lt6K1xBiXnTRjzKPaonylc5tgheWTiFnZkq7skd+AI31MXNWXS/4WmGFo0UpMZAqAC ITvPhqGTbRaC1Ili7ou0Ydh0nwWtltaUM6lG9CeSsgzFYX4HbyilDJ8T0wMlj0CDRy7r nAO6C0Mggtc+ef9ZOtDQtZQAYjLn8J4dpBRwGjNy/vkV3gGwAz9lA0ZXY9WSbeD7VHzT DrYdr2bHwW8b3KcvP8kz3g/pKwUJV2FRtHr2GI7wjbVSxCo9873/ED4EzAmwJ1BeouF5 ChBFIuask9gn+VZlnboSCQJgY4OnI0zW+DB2fyLKzVHXDKUl/pYLcDBfhAzNNtwlhwrE WYJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.15.133 with SMTP id x5mr12373520oec.80.1433729867506; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 19:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.220.87 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:17:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mohan Nanduri To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e014945c074ec0d0517f83f7e Archived-At: Cc: keyupate@cisco.com, "idr@ietf.org List" , draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org, cfilsfil@cisco.com, raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 02:17:55 -0000 --089e014945c074ec0d0517f83f7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Support the draft. Cheers, -Mohan On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, > Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any > IPR. The draft can be found at: > > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ > > > > In the discussion, please consider: > > a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point > topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, > > b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and > > c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. > > > > Susan Hares and John Scudder > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --089e014945c074ec0d0517f83f7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support the draft.

Cheers,
-Mohan


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG = adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.=C2=A0= The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indica= te if they know if any IPR.=C2=A0 The draft can be found at: =

=C2=A0

<= a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previd= i-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/

=C2=A0

In the discussion, please = consider:

a)= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this addition to BGP-LS for exportin= g BGP egress point topologies provides useful information for BGP deploymen= ts in the internet,

<= /u>b)=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Are there scaling issues in addi= ng this information to BGP-LS, and

c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The technica= l merits and issues with this proposal.

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--089e014945c074ec0d0517f83f7e-- From nobody Sun Jun 7 22:27:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F9E1B2BAC; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5S1ck6ZV8sZF; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B161B2BA8; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:27:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150608052731.25219.78467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 22:27:31 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-08.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 05:27:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Generic Subtype for BGP Four-octet AS specific extended community Authors : Dhananjaya Rao Pradosh Mohapatra Jeffrey Haas Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-08.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2015-06-07 Abstract: Maintaining the current best practices with communities, ISPs and enterprises that are assigned a 4-octet AS number may want the BGP UPDATE messages they receive from their customers or peers to include a 4-octet AS specific BGP extended community. This document defines a new sub-type within the four-octet AS specific extended community to facilitate this practice. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jun 8 05:19:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0577E1A1A25 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTBH08w3F0nx for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B99F1A1A30 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79086d000001909-e9-5575228a2c13 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 5D.A1.06409.A8225755; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 07:05:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB106.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.123]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 08:19:30 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8AFbGHfgABFT9YA= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 12:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <075DE01702BBC249BE1357EFD20DCFE51E82B167@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D19AD6449B818jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrKIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt26XUmmoQdstNYuds3vYLP58/chu 8er2MyaLxq3n2SxONDUwWfx584rFgc1jyu+NrB47Z91l91iy5CeTx+zX11k9vlz+zBbAGsVl k5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVcbBnD1PBAZ+KIwc/MDcw7nDuYuTkkBAwkZi2ZSo7hC0mceHeerYuRi4O IYGjjBI/vs1lgXCWMUr0f7sKVsUmYCDx/9txFhBbRMBB4nZDOytIEbPANCaJj51b2UASwgJ5 Eme7z7JCFOVLbOnexwZhW0ncP7ABzGYRUJG4++seM4jNK2AusXPyQrC4kEClxOQ9/8DinAK+ Eo3rOsHijEDnfT+1hgnEZhYQl7j1ZD4TxNkCEkv2nGeGsEUlXj7+B7ZXVEBPYuX1JjaIuKLE vv7p7BC9MRIzejaxQewVlDg58wnLBEaxWUjGzkJSNgtJGURcR2LB7k9sELa2xLKFr5lh7DMH HkP1WktsejeHHVnNAkaOVYwcpcWpZbnpRoabGIHxfEyCzXEH44JPlocYBTgYlXh4E/xKQoVY E8uKK3MPMUpzsCiJ80r75YUKCaQnlqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYJxjdzDH9Hi/or/4 AxX5GTePfnvwqjXl5Pv5iw3C71Vu0RVovH2Kh7/55o1nuQ6VCxfrd/4srFFftiPi9IqH9xW0 7l2xZpgYKf/p5JMHe1lSHrDF/On2a7xac0Ko4rmhMX/7/qktGhITuzTXJHx9fvIIU0rix447 NzV/3OP9GOwy6VOZacK2SBUlluKMREMt5qLiRACOWAgkyAIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:19:35 -0000 --_000_D19AD6449B818jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= @tools.ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-= routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-r= outing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and= Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / In the discussion, please consider: a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topolog= ies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. Susan Hares and John Scudder --_000_D19AD6449B818jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4904E3365C0BE34E9E02A8FA586FCC89@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Idr [mailt= o:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:27 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com; Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-prev= idi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The authors (Stefano, Clare= nce, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. =  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/

 

In the discussion, please consider:

a)   =    Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP = egress point topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in = the internet,

b)   =    Are there scaling issues in adding this informa= tion to BGP-LS, and

c)   =     The technical merits and issues with this propo= sal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

 --_000_D19AD6449B818jefftantsuraericssoncom_-- From nobody Mon Jun 8 09:15:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8A41A9121 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xpZBbO30pikX for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 09:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0777.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::777]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A1F1A9120 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 09:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN3PR0501MB1089.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.113.11) by BN3PR0501MB1204.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.113.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.184.17; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:15:37 +0000 Authentication-Results: juniper.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; Received: from [172.29.32.75] (66.129.241.13) by BN3PR0501MB1089.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.113.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.184.17; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <5575BFA1.6000300@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 12:15:29 -0400 From: Eric C Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <20150608052731.25219.78467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150608052731.25219.78467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [66.129.241.13] X-ClientProxiedBy: DM2PR07CA0038.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.52.166) To BN3PR0501MB1089.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.113.11) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR0501MB1089; UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR0501MB1204; X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(520003)(3002001); SRVR:BN3PR0501MB1089; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR0501MB1089; X-Forefront-PRVS: 060166847D X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6049001)(6009001)(36756003)(83506001)(46102003)(92566002)(62966003)(122386002)(50986999)(77096005)(54356999)(76176999)(87266999)(65816999)(450100001)(77156002)(2950100001)(40100003)(2351001)(42186005)(65956001)(66066001)(50466002)(86362001)(87976001)(33656002)(47776003)(4001350100001)(23746002)(189998001)(59896002)(5001960100002)(230783001)(110136002)(107886002)(4001430100001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR0501MB1089; H:[172.29.32.75]; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2015 16:15:35.9564 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN3PR0501MB1089 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-08.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:15:57 -0000 May I suggest that the authors bring this draft up to date with respect to RFC 7153? Suggested changes follow. OLD [RFC5668] defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended community with a designated type field. That document defines two sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community. This document specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended community to provide benefits such as the one cited above as the Internet migrates to four-octet AS space. NEW This document specifies a generic sub-type for both the Transitive Four-Octet AS-Specific Extended Community and the Non-Transitive Four-Octet AS-specific Extended Community. [Note: The registries for the Four-Octet Transitive AS-Specific EC Sub-Types already has seven assignments, not just the two from RFC5668.] OLD This is an extended type with Type Field comprising of 2 octets and Value Field comprising of 6 octets. The high-order octet of this extended type is set to either 0x02 (for transitive communities) or 0x42 (for non-transitive communities). The low-order octet or the sub-type is set to 0x04. NEW The Type field is set to either 0x02 (Transitive Four-Octet AS-Specific Extended Community) or 0x42 (Non-Transitive Four-Octet AS-Specific Extended Community). The Sub-Type field is set to 4. The value field consists of six octets. OLD 5. IANA Considerations This document defines a specific application of the four-octet AS specific extended community. IANA is requested to to assign a sub- type value of 0x04 for the generic four-octet AS specific extended community. This document makes the following assignments for the generic four- octet AS specific extended community: Name Value ---- ----- transitive generic four-octet AS specific 0x0204 non-transitive generic four-octet AS specific 0x4204 NEW 5. IANA Considerations This document defines a specific application of the four-octet AS specific extended community. IANA has assigned the value of 4 to "Generic" in both the Transitive Four-Octet AS-Specific Extended Community Sub-Types registry and the Non-Transitive Four-Octet AS-specific Extended Community Sub-Types registry, with this document as the reference. [Note: This assignment already exists in the registry.] From nobody Mon Jun 8 13:16:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDCB1A92FE; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:16:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PcJO70tJr1V1; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D701B32AB; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:15:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150608201558.16481.23432.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:15:58 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-07.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 20:16:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Exchange BGP Route Server Authors : Elisa Jasinska Nick Hilliard Robert Raszuk Niels Bakker Filename : draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-07.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-06-08 Abstract: This document outlines a specification for multilateral interconnections at Internet exchange points (IXPs). Multilateral interconnection is a method of exchanging routing information between three or more exterior BGP speakers using a single intermediate broker system, referred to as a route server. Route servers are typically used on shared access media networks, such as Internet exchange points (IXPs), to facilitate simplified interconnection between multiple Internet routers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jun 8 16:53:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFA1ACDCB for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtxLajMRLmDO for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88761ACD60 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 507) id 5A3415405B5; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:53:03 -0400 From: Jon Mitchell To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20150608235303.GB24598@puck.nether.net> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 23:53:04 -0000 On 31/05/15 23:26 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, > Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any > IPR. The draft can be found at: Support for adoption. -Jon From nobody Mon Jun 8 17:40:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641BE1A005C for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 17:40:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cj-qZ1VLLgyi for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EA71A005B for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 507) id 1786B5406DE; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 20:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 20:40:49 -0400 From: Jon Mitchell To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20150609004049.GD24598@puck.nether.net> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:40:50 -0000 On 31/05/15 22:50 -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities > and draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be > found at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities > / Support adoption. -Jon From nobody Tue Jun 9 02:39:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5201B2B3B for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 02:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1g5sf1O6wo9a for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 02:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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(5/31 to 6/14) Thread-Index: AdCcGoNntu1RJWeoQbWDLhkxKtoo8AAXShWAAYXm+EA= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 09:39:20 +0000 Message-ID: <20657_1433842761_5576B448_20657_938_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B2860@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B2860OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.6.2.75418 Archived-At: Cc: "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: 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Support.

 

-Qin

From: Susan Hares [mailt= o:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'John G. Scudder'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Dongjie (Ji= mmy); Mach Chen; keyupate@cisco.com; sprevidi@cisco.com; cfilsfil@cisc= o.com; raysaikat@gmail.com
Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment= -routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoptio= n call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt.  The au= thors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if t= hey know if any IPR.  The draft can be found at:

 

http://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/<= /span>

 

In the discussion, please consi= der:

a= )   &= nbsp;  Does this addition to B= GP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topologies provides useful information= for BGP deployments in the internet,

b= )   &= nbsp;  Are there scaling issue= s in adding this information to BGP-LS, and

c= )   &= nbsp;   The technical merits an= d issues with this proposal.

 

Susan Hares and John Scudder

 

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AQG3NbPVHq7YJjWAwTvzcNFlPDV6cZ3b5fCQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Alia Atlas' Subject: Re: [Idr] WebEx meeting invitation: IDR interim 6/15: Yang modules X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:02:12 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01D0A507.87D790F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IDR interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET=20 =20 (Note: web-ex is open at 9:30am for speakers to be able to check their = slides).=20 =20 Agenda:=20 =20 10:00 - 10:05 Bash Agenda 10:05 - 10:30 Presentation of Merged BGP Yang module (Keyur Patel, Anees = Shaikh, Rob Shakir)=20 =20 Open Config reference:=20 http://www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/updatedbgpandpolicy= models =20 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IDR interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET

 

(Note: web-ex is open at 9:30am for speakers to be able to check = their slides).

 

Agenda:

 

10:00 - 10:05=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bash Agenda

10:05 - 10:30=C2=A0 Presentation of Merged BGP Yang = module

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Open Config reference:

http://www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/updatedbgpandpol= icymodels

 

10:30 - 10:50=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Discussion of = Merged BGP Module

10:50 - 11:10=C2=A0=C2=A0 I2RS BGP Model (Susan = Hares)

11:10 - 11:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Discussion of I2RS BGP = module

 

Web-Ex:

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Hello,

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IDR interim = 6/15: Yang modules =

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Please direct any queries to the author listed=20 here."=20 [1] = http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2015-May/008869.html From nobody Sat Jun 13 10:39:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA6F1A0AFE for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_l2lcxsCl20 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x244.google.com (mail-ob0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D38A61A07BC for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbnt9 with SMTP id nt9so5799147obb.1 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2e7Z3sepLswS+bud/bhY/wTDXDc6LQ00hyddDRmmhsI=; b=n/9m6IqfPJMNBvJ02Tsd4DwdKvSVF5qDuS0BFyZGQSa1mWE9yirg9nw1kuf2K4eXJZ Eg6HrWQ6wBj8NV/xftIQ6faO3AGnsd50YyRbAl0ON8qbBtslyuiBlIym27ll5kGUrrG/ fVRsVl6R8NBQwxg5PjTWt1V7ezzlb92G0JLI1KFFOCuUVhJ4UTv3Hk3ONZLj57ArxhRy e6evIB1M4rsmx7kUi4ea+xZpREpcTuXd9IfT24TQNV61h+YeQuXOjvlYhmTn7bpTsQ2o M3Sy/K504cNzSLs4gZh2mKXBhBVuifIEpvk/cXIdIBo8rK7tRHwVM87ViM6omTa3I/IV ljzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.96.35 with SMTP id dp3mr12933184oeb.47.1434123430320; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.138.233 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5250_1434096300_557A92AC_5250_692_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B65C4@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <009e01d09c1a$cace12d0$606a3870$@ndzh.com> <20657_1433842761_5576B448_20657_938_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B2860@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <22677_1433842957_5576B50C_22677_14813_1_9e22880d-28cf-4b4f-b2ac-0f067326516c@OPEXCLILM31.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <5250_1434096300_557A92AC_5250_692_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B65C4@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Saikat Ray To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011775a7a0dead051853e129 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:39:50 -0700 Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:37:15 -0000 --089e011775a7a0dead051853e129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno: RFC6286, section 2.1 requires the BGP identifier (router-id) to be unique within an AS (i.e., the tuple is globally unique). However, as Acee said, we should clarify this in the drafts. Thanks. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:04 AM, wrote: > Hi Acee, > > > > Thanks for the discussion. > > More inline (*2) > > > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:12 PM > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Keyur Patel (keyupate); > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence > Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > > > > Hi Bruno, > > > > *From: *Bruno Decraene > *Date: *Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 5:42 AM > *To: *Bruno Decraene , Susan Hares < > shares@ndzh.com>, "idr@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"Keyur Patel (keyupate)" , " > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" < > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org>, "Clarence > Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" < > raysaikat@gmail.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > > > > I meant: One option may be to add the related Peer-SID in the Peer > Adjacency Segment. > > > > The Peer-SID then would have to be an identifier in NLRI (for uniqueness) > rather than attribute and it wouldn=E2=80=99t handle the case of parallel > unnumbered interfaces with the same peer. In addition to parallel > unnumbered interfaces, there is also the adjacency-sid ambiguity problem = of > parallel IPv6 interfaces (non-ethernet) that only have link-local > addresses. We are discussing these scenarios with the authors. > > [Bruno] Good to know. Thanks. > > > > As for peering with two BGP speakers with the same BGP router-id and > private AS number, I think this is a misconfiguration even there is nothi= ng > in the BGP protocol that prevents it. I would think that the use of the > private AS implies a single administrator or at least closely collaborati= ng > administrators. > > [Bruno] If it=E2=80=99s allowed by the protocol and works, I would not ca= ll this > misconfiguration. Not allowing it anymore, I would call it a regression. > There may be reasons for this, but it would be good to discuss them now. > And if restrictions are kept, they should be indicated in the document. > > As for the implications/reasons for the use of private AS, this may be > related to RIRs or ISPs policy, which are numerous plus may have changed > over time, so I would a priori assume diversity. So I=E2=80=99m not sure = to see why > the solution would be designed not to work in this case, even if I agree > that this is a corner case. > > > > Thanks > > /Bruno > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *bruno.decraene@orange.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:39 AM > *To:* Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Keyur Patel (keyupate); > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence > Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > > > > > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > > I support IDR working group adoption. I reviewed the document and > believe it provides a useful functionality in controller-based deployment= s > and particularly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.e., > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-routing-large-dc-02.txt. > > > > +1 > > > > I admit I haven=E2=80=99t had time to really review the doc in detail, bu= t I=E2=80=99ll > try one comment, just in case it may be useful. > > Regarding Peer Adj Segment, in theory couldn=E2=80=99t we have: > > - 2 different BGP peers having the same private AS number and the same BG= P > Router ID? > > - un-numbered external interfaces > > > > In which case I=E2=80=99m not sure how those 2 peer adj segment would be > distinguished, nor how the related to the Peer SID be identified. One > option may be to add the related Peer-SID in Peer Adjacency SID. > > > > /Bruno > > > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Acee Lindem (acee) > *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 3:31 PM > *To:* Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Keyur Patel (keyupate); > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence > Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > > > > I support IDR working group adoption. I reviewed the document and believe > it provides a useful functionality in controller-based deployments and > particularly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.e., > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-routing-large-dc-02.txt. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *Susan Hares > *Date: *Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM > *To: *"idr@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , " > raysaikat@gmail.com" , "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" < > keyupate@cisco.com>, " > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" < > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org> > *Subject: *[Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > > > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano= , > Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if an= y > IPR. The draft can be found at: > > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-e= pe/ > > > > In the discussion, please consider: > > a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point > topologies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the interne= t, > > b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, an= d > > c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. > > > > Susan Hares and John Scudder > > > > ________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Bruno:

RFC6286, section 2.1 requires th= e BGP identifier (router-id) to be unique within an AS (i.e., the <ASN, = BGP identifier> tuple is globally unique). However, as Acee said, we sho= uld clarify this in the drafts.

Thanks.=C2=A0

On Fri, Ju= n 12, 2015 at 1:04 AM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> = wrote:

Hi Acee= ,

= =C2=A0

Thanks = for the discussion.

More in= line (*2)

= =C2=A0

From: Acee Lin= dem (acee) [mailto:acee= @cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:12 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-b= gpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); = raysaikat@gmail.co= m
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

=C2=A0

Hi Brun= o,=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

From: Bruno Decraene <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 5:42 AM
To: Bruno Decraene <bruno.decraene@orange.com>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, &qu= ot;idr@ietf.org"= <idr@ietf.org>=
Cc: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" <keyupate@cisco.com>, "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org&= quot; <draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@= tools.ietf.org>, "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" <cfilsfil@cisco.com>, "raysaikat@gmail.com" &l= t;raysaikat@gmail.= com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

= =C2=A0

I meant= : One option may be to add the related Peer-SID in the Peer Adjacency Segme= nt.

= =C2=A0

The Pee= r-SID then would have to be an identifier in NLRI (for uniqueness) rather t= han attribute and it wouldn=E2=80=99t handle the case of parallel unnumbere= d interfaces with the same peer. In addition to parallel unnumbered interfaces, there is also the adjacency-sid ambigui= ty problem of parallel IPv6 =C2=A0interfaces (non-ethernet) that only have = link-local addresses. We are discussing these scenarios with the authors.= =C2=A0

= [Bruno] Good to know. Thanks.

=C2=A0

As for = peering with two BGP speakers with the same BGP router-id and private AS nu= mber, I think this is a misconfiguration even there is nothing in the BGP p= rotocol that prevents it. I would think that the use of the private AS implies a single administrator or at least = closely collaborating administrators.=C2=A0

[Bruno]= If it=E2=80=99s allowed by the protocol and works, I would not call this m= isconfiguration. Not allowing it anymore, I would call it a regression. The= re may be reasons for this, but it would be good to discuss them now. And if restrictions are kept, they should be indicate= d in the document.

As for = the implications/reasons for the use of private AS, this may be related to = RIRs or ISPs policy, which are numerous plus may have changed over time, so= I would a priori assume diversity. So I=E2=80=99m not sure to see why the solution would be designed not to work= in this case, even if I agree that this is a corner case.

= =C2=A0

Thanks<= u>

/Bruno<= /span>=

= =C2=A0

Thanks,=

Acee=C2= =A0

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Susan Hares; i= dr@ietf.org
Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence Fi= lsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.co= m
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)=

=C2=A0

> From: Ac= ee Lindem (acee)
> I s= upport IDR working group adoption. I reviewed the document and believe it p= rovides a useful functionality in controller-based deployments and particul= arly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.e., https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-r= outing-large-dc-02.txt.=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0<= /span>

+1

=C2=A0<= /span>

I admit= I haven=E2=80=99t had time to really review the doc in detail, but I=E2=80= =99ll try one comment, just in case it may be useful.

Regardi= ng Peer Adj Segment, in theory couldn=E2=80=99t we have:

- 2 dif= ferent BGP peers having the same private AS number and the same BGP Router = ID?

- un-nu= mbered external interfaces=

=C2=A0<= /span>

In whic= h case I=E2=80=99m not sure how those 2 peer adj segment would be distingui= shed, nor how the related to the Peer SID be identified. One option may be = to add the related Peer-SID in Peer Adjacency SID.

=C2=A0<= /span>

/Bruno<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:31 PM
To: Susan Hares; i= dr@ietf.org
Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org; Clarence Fi= lsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.co= m
Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)=

=C2=A0

I suppo= rt IDR working group adoption. I review= ed the document and believe it provides a useful functionality in controlle= r-based deployments and particularly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.= e., https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-routing-= large-dc-02.txt.=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

Thanks,=

Acee=C2= =A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM
To: "idr@ietf= .org" <idr@ie= tf.org>
Cc: "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" <cfilsfil@cisco.com>, "raysaikat@gmail.com" <raysai= kat@gmail.com>, "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" <keyupate@cisco.com>, "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@too= ls.ietf.org" <draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segm= ent-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-s= egment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14)

=C2=A0<= /span>

This begi= ns a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-ep= e-03.txt.=C2=A0 The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie= ) should indicate if they know if any IPR. =C2=A0The draft can be found at:

=C2=A0

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-= bgpls-segment-routing-epe/=

=C2=A0

In the di= scussion, please consider:=

a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does= this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topologies provides= useful information for BGP deployments in the internet,

b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Are = there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, and

c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The = technical merits and issues with this proposal.

=C2=A0

Susan Hares and John Scudder

=C2=A0

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--089e011775a7a0dead051853e129-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 06:08:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2B31B35FE; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ztDRpQiu8uKg; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DBD1B2D25; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D0A74A.D008CAC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCnapGSX8ckVtarRMuzgYjOkdAWfA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:08:17 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D0A74A.D008CAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 - 6/29). http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. Sue Hares PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D0A74A.D008CAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt = (6/15 – 6/29). 

 

http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

This is = the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other = draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). 

 

Please = review this yang modules and comment on it on the list.   =

 

Sue Hares

 

=

PS - Benoit just sent out a note = that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from = the hand of Carl Moberg).   If you find errors, please = be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to = get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim.  There = are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. =  

 

------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D0A74A.D008CAC0-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 06:18:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897A61B2D36; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59_vLQQva-Bl; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F671B2D32; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:18:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:18:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00f101d0a76d$c1750550$445f0ff0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01D0A74C.3A667290" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCnbYY6gWWwpVZITSOWq+lEk1Ly0Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, 'BESS' , netmod@ietf.org, supa@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] IDR interim today at 10:00 - 11:30am ET - Agenda change X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:18:25 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01D0A74C.3A667290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDR June 15 interim agenda has changed to allow more time to discuss base BGP yang module. Slides and Agenda are at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/15/idr/proceedings.html. This bgp yang module (draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt) is being considered for WG adoption (6/15 to 6/29). http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ Sue Hares ================= IDR interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET Agenda: 10:00 - 10:05 Bash Agenda 10:05 - 10:20 Presentation of Merged BGP Yang module (Keyur Patel, Anees Shaikh, Rob Shakir) Open Config reference: http://www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/updatedbgpandpolicymod els IETF Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ 10:20 - 11:30 Discussion of Merged BGP Module Web-Ex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbb2d89722983f9d24990ba043332a856 Meeting number: 649 169 095 Meeting password: yang.for.life Join by phone 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 649 169 095 Virtual Blue sheets http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-vBlueSheets Please sign up on the virtual blue sheets. Minutes: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-minutes [Please consider helping Sue and John during the interim discussion take minutes. Join the etherpad and correct or work on the web] ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01D0A74C.3A667290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


IDR June 15 interim  agenda = has changed to allow more time to discuss base BGP yang module. =

 

Slides = and Agenda are at:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/15/idr/proceeding= s.html.

 

This bgp = yang module (draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt)  is being = considered for WG adoption (6/15 to 6/29).

 http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

IDR = interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET

 

Agenda: =

 

10:00 - = 10:05   Bash Agenda

10:05 - = 10:20  Presentation of Merged BGP Yang = module

     &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         (Keyur Patel, Anees = Shaikh, Rob Shakir)

 

Open = Config reference:

http://www.openconfig.net/data-mod= els/project-updates/updatedbgpandpolicymodels

 

IETF = Draft:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

10:20 - = 11:30           &n= bsp;    Discussion of Merged BGP Module =

 

Web-Ex: =

https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?= MTID=3Dmbb2d89722983f9d24990ba043332a856

 

Meeting = number:         649 169 095 =

Meeting = password:      = yang.for.life

 

Join by = phone

1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free = number (US/Canada)

1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll = number (US/Canada)

Access code: 649 169 = 095

 

Virtual = Blue sheets

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Please = sign up on the virtual blue sheets.

 

 

Minutes: =

http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:900= 0/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-minutes

 

[Please = consider helping Sue and John during the interim discussion take = minutes.

Join the etherpad and correct or = work on the web]

 

------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01D0A74C.3A667290-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 06:41:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629A1B2D3D; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oKpNMOzRQY1o; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC9D1B2BE0; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <013301d0a770$e59000e0$b0b002a0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01D0A74F.5E82F4C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCncKKmELtn8F67Sd+LgR9RcrS6Bg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, supa@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, 'BESS' , netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] [Rtg-yang-coord] IDR interim today at 10:00 - 11:30am ET - Agenda (web-ex correction) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:40:55 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01D0A74F.5E82F4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for extra email. Sue Hares --------------------------- Web-Ex: Web-ex is giving me two different web-sites - I suspect both will work. Send email to shares@ndzh.com) if you have problems. https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m05394c6a99d9df8d68e4646e6a6aa80a [online request] https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/e.php?MTID=m8a391b9e59f0215e0a2251f10dac8aae Sue From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:18 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; 'BESS'; netmod@ietf.org; supa@ietf.org; netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] IDR interim today at 10:00 - 11:30am ET - Agenda change IDR June 15 interim agenda has changed to allow more time to discuss base BGP yang module. Slides and Agenda are at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/15/idr/proceedings.html. This bgp yang module (draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt) is being considered for WG adoption (6/15 to 6/29). http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ Sue Hares ================= IDR interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET Agenda: 10:00 - 10:05 Bash Agenda 10:05 - 10:20 Presentation of Merged BGP Yang module (Keyur Patel, Anees Shaikh, Rob Shakir) Open Config reference: http://www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/updatedbgpandpolicymod els IETF Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ 10:20 - 11:30 Discussion of Merged BGP Module Web-Ex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbb2d89722983f9d24990ba043332a856 Meeting number: 649 169 095 Meeting password: yang.for.life Join by phone 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 649 169 095 Virtual Blue sheets http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-vBlueSheets Please sign up on the virtual blue sheets. Minutes: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-minutes [Please consider helping Sue and John during the interim discussion take minutes. Join the etherpad and correct or work on the web] ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01D0A74F.5E82F4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Apologies for extra email. =

Sue Hares

 

---------------------------

=

Web-Ex: =

Web-ex is giving me two different web-sites - =  I suspect both will work.  Send email to shares@ndzh.com) if you have = problems.  

 

https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm05394c6= a99d9df8d68e4646e6a6aa80a

 

=

[online request]

https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/e.php?MTID=3Dm8a391b9= e59f0215e0a2251f10dac8aae

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:18 = AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; = 'BESS'; netmod@ietf.org; supa@ietf.org; = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] IDR interim today = at 10:00 - 11:30am ET - Agenda = change

 


IDR June 15 interim  agenda = has changed to allow more time to discuss base BGP yang module. =

 

Slides = and Agenda are at:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/15/idr/proceeding= s.html.

 

This bgp = yang module (draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt)  is being = considered for WG adoption (6/15 to 6/29).

 http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

IDR = interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am ET

 

Agenda: =

 

10:00 - = 10:05   Bash Agenda

10:05 - = 10:20  Presentation of Merged BGP Yang = module

     &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         (Keyur Patel, Anees = Shaikh, Rob Shakir)

 

Open = Config reference:

http://www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/upd= atedbgpandpolicymodels

 

IETF = Draft:

http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

10:20 - = 11:30           &n= bsp;    Discussion of Merged BGP Module =

 

Web-Ex: =

https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbb2d89722983f9d24990= ba043332a856

 

Meeting = number:         649 169 095 =

Meeting = password:      = yang.for.life

 

Join by = phone

1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free = number (US/Canada)

1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll = number (US/Canada)

Access code: 649 169 = 095

 

Virtual = Blue sheets

http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15= -vBlueSheets

 

Please = sign up on the virtual blue sheets.

 

 

Minutes: =

http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/idr-interim-2015-June-15-min= utes

 

[Please = consider helping Sue and John during the interim discussion take = minutes.

Join the etherpad and correct or = work on the web]

 

------=_NextPart_000_0134_01D0A74F.5E82F4C0-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 08:21:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FC51A883D; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:21:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.686 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ZdpGTdYPE4B; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4A1B1A882F; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79086d000001909-3b-557e8735bd76 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 4C.22.06409.5378E755; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:21:00 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Thread-Index: AdCnapGSX8ckVtarRMuzgYjOkdAWfP//9l2A Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D1A43B369BF5Djefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprGIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt65Ze12owat5QhbtT++xWry6/YzJ 4s+bVywOzB5Llvxk8pj9+jprAFMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8b3w/3sBe3GFbP39bE1MH7X6WLk 5JAQMJGYv/AbI4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBo4wSE47/Z4JwlgM55/uYQKrYBAwk/n87zgJiiwg4 SNxuaGcFsZkF9CWOtCwCiwsLeEo8OnKPHaLGS2LC7D/MELaRxOJNd9lAbBYBVYndv66C9fIK mEscmPICrEZIwEziz+8zYBdxAsX3Nf8Bm8MIdN33U2uYIHaJS9x6Mp8J4moBiSV7zjND2KIS Lx//A5spKqAnsfJ6ExtEXEni4+/57BC9MRLrj72F2isocXLmE5YJjGKzkIydhaRsFpIyiLiB xPtz85khbG2JZQtfQ9n6Ehu/nGWEsK0lGnddYkVWs4CRYxUjR2lxalluupHhJkZgRB6TYHPc wbjgk+UhRgEORiUeXoWDtaFCrIllxZW5hxilOViUxHml/fJChQTSE0tSs1NTC1KL4otKc1KL DzEycXBKNTDKnU1ja7XkZ+c7dOfMFZVOY82d8Wd/qzsU1vjn/34a8+9oa3D99V19vxz/lBx2 vjDDX+hUiuX7p0GLb9xI8WL7u6/f7+qcCmfhY1yXb1zmcvju6NnAIv17/vfMpVaLBMVlnLll T978abhkU8xtM6XLGw03T85ebKdyv2dHxJ5P9qsSKrf2bu9QYinOSDTUYi4qTgQAK7P136kC AAA= Archived-At: Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:21:04 -0000 --_000_D1A43B369BF5Djefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Extremely important and useful work! Cheers, Jeff From: Susan Hares > Date: Monday, June 15, 2015 at 6:08 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" > Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt= (6/15 =96 6/29). http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other= draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. Sue Hares PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: www.yangva= lidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). = If you find errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair en= couraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 i= nterim. There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with = this draft. --_000_D1A43B369BF5Djefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <36CF3756EF0AB84EB34CDBE55B07EBD8@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/support
Extremely important and useful work!

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Monday, June 15, 2015 at 6:08= AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.= org>
Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for= draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shai= kh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 =96 6/29). 

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-mo= del/

 

This is the base BGP module from a merge of the Open= Config module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). 

 

Please review this yang modules and comment on it on= the list.  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online vali= dator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from th= e hand of Carl Moberg).   If you find errors, please be kind to the = authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merg= ed draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim.  There are many other BGP yang= drafts that will need to align with this draft.  

 

 --_000_D1A43B369BF5Djefftantsuraericssoncom_-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 08:30:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D651B2E80; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.237 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.237 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yrnMFdtECPMp; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDBD51B2E8A; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgzl5 with SMTP id l5so47005813wgz.3; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3zdzkC0su9sxJoT4YzgCpm6oOO2ucEj6jVgCtjX5ACQ=; b=ZZapvelCZrOFw/ZEHcT1yml3NQy2H17Ke6rDhU7NWnabKkZaGBPSpLP/99OlQrrbCt ySVsFnH8zoopz8lQCfNS6Vh8ISWu1qL80ZaT+fCVg9xOfP9w4GYUONjkmENtHcIT7/qJ 7OUqZw+Dbzf+4T32sPyKfNK4mIeSW+CiVGYwSZ5St7UXLTHSTcqamk3dFAUSrpZbCk4I Z5FG4z+1ZH+FjLqEr2ZGbsopJqtZSmEewavHxhSUvNd6jm43AdhNUFxH9lhtEr5h2o9z 2IkEsh4X62Az268k19/ss5SXtfqMAPgHCsc7P0f388Rzl2cJ/DAnOtV3llovk6R1yDf+ 200g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.198.166 with SMTP id jd6mr31909430wic.48.1434382214547; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.45.88 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:30:14 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 99O63y-fBf1jR1xiwS3aISyMTjM Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b66f2f15ecf07051890227f Archived-At: Cc: idr wg , idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:30:18 -0000 --047d7b66f2f15ecf07051890227f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29). > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > > > > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and > other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > > > > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of *Carl Moberg*). If you find > errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged th= e > authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. > There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this > draft. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --047d7b66f2f15ecf07051890227f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Sus= an Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-mo= del-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

http://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

This i= s the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft= (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please review this yang m= odules and comment on it on the list.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

PS - Benoit just sent = out a note that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of C= arl Moberg).=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you find errors, please be kind to the auth= ors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merged d= raft out for the 6/15/2015 interim.=C2=A0 There are many other BGP yang dra= fts that will need to align with this draft. =C2=A0

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--047d7b66f2f15ecf07051890227f-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 08:30:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFDE1B2E8D; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jMzCj8tYjbiM; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5901B2E77; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Jeff Tantsura'" , References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <00a301d0a780$33a66620$9af33260$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D0A75E.AC95B080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIPBWpRRKWmRDOk338HCpYAYoZK6gDY0tSGnSotakA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:30:32 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D0A75E.AC95B080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < WG chair hat off> Yes/Support - I agree with Jeff Tantsura. Now it's rtgwg WG turn to get the policy model into WG adoption in rtgwg. (smile) Sue Policy model is: draft-shaikh-rtgwg-policy-model-00. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:21 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Yes/support Extremely important and useful work! Cheers, Jeff From: Susan Hares Date: Monday, June 15, 2015 at 6:08 AM To: "idr@ietf.org" Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 - 6/29). http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. Sue Hares PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D0A75E.AC95B080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

< WG chair hat off> =

Yes/Support – I agree with Jeff Tantsura. =  Now it’s rtgwg WG turn to get the policy model into WG = adoption in rtgwg.  (smile)

 

Sue

 

Policy model is: = draft-shaikh-rtgwg-policy-model-00.

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff = Tantsura
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:21 AM
To: = Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for = draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt

 

Yes/support

<= /div>

Extremely important and useful = work!

 

=

Cheers,

Jeff

 

=

From: = Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: = Monday, June 15, 2015 at 6:08 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>
Sub= ject: [Idr] WG adoption call for = draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt

 

=

This begins a 2 week WG = Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 – = 6/29). 

 

http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

This is the base BGP = module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft = (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). 

 

Please review this yang = modules and comment on it on the list.   =

 

Sue Hares =

 

PS - Benoit just sent out = a note that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from = the hand of Carl Moberg).   If you find errors, please = be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to = get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim.  There = are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. =  

 

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <4047F38266E7FB40A209F64B4B4CD9AE@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils \(cfilsfil\)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" , "Keyur Patel \(keyupate\)" , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:38:29 -0000 On Jun 12, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Bruno,=20 >=20 > From: Bruno Decraene > Date: Friday, June 12, 2015 at 4:04 AM > To: Acee Lindem , Susan Hares , "idr@iet= f.org" > Cc: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" > Subject: RE: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) >=20 > Hi Acee, > =20 > Thanks for the discussion. > More inline (*2) > =20 > From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:12 PM > To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@t= ools.ietf.org; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > =20 > Hi Bruno,=20 > =20 > From: Bruno Decraene > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 5:42 AM > To: Bruno Decraene , Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" , "draft-previdi-idr-bgp= ls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "raysaikat@gmail.com" > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > =20 > I meant: One option may be to add the related Peer-SID in the Peer Adjace= ncy Segment. > =20 > The Peer-SID then would have to be an identifier in NLRI (for uniqueness)= rather than attribute and it wouldn=92t handle the case of parallel unnumb= ered interfaces with the same peer. In addition to parallel unnumbered inte= rfaces, there is also the adjacency-sid ambiguity problem of parallel IPv6 = interfaces (non-ethernet) that only have link-local addresses. We are disc= ussing these scenarios with the authors.=20 > [Bruno] Good to know. Thanks. > =20 > As for peering with two BGP speakers with the same BGP router-id and priv= ate AS number, I think this is a misconfiguration even there is nothing in = the BGP protocol that prevents it. I would think that the use of the privat= e AS implies a single administrator or at least closely collaborating admin= istrators.=20 > [Bruno] If it=92s allowed by the protocol and works, I would not call thi= s misconfiguration. Not allowing it anymore, I would call it a regression. = There may be reasons for this, but it would be good to discuss them now. An= d if restrictions are kept, they should be indicated in the document. > As for the implications/reasons for the use of private AS, this may be re= lated to RIRs or ISPs policy, which are numerous plus may have changed over= time, so I would a priori assume diversity. So I=92m not sure to see why t= he solution would be designed not to work in this case, even if I agree tha= t this is a corner case. >=20 > I agree that we should document that the tuple MUST = be unique within the BGP LS Domain. I just don=92t think we should try and = fix it by adding a third node identifier to support uniqueness in this case= that could be avoided by the network administrator.=20 I agree and will document that. s. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Thanks > /Bruno > =20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 > =20 > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orang= e.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:39 AM > To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@t= ools.ietf.org; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > =20 > > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > > I support IDR working group adoption. I reviewed the document and belie= ve it provides a useful functionality in controller-based deployments and p= articularly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.e., https://www.ietf.org/= id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-routing-large-dc-02.txt.=20 > =20 > +1 > =20 > I admit I haven=92t had time to really review the doc in detail, but I=92= ll try one comment, just in case it may be useful. > Regarding Peer Adj Segment, in theory couldn=92t we have: > - 2 different BGP peers having the same private AS number and the same BG= P Router ID? > - un-numbered external interfaces > =20 > In which case I=92m not sure how those 2 peer adj segment would be distin= guished, nor how the related to the Peer SID be identified. One option may = be to add the related Peer-SID in Peer Adjacency SID. > =20 > /Bruno > =20 > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:31 PM > To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > Cc: Keyur Patel (keyupate); draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@t= ools.ietf.org; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); raysaikat@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > =20 > I support IDR working group adoption. I reviewed the document and believe= it provides a useful functionality in controller-based deployments and par= ticularly when BGP is used in lieu of an IGP, i.e., https://www.ietf.org/id= /draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-routing-large-dc-02.txt.=20 > =20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 > =20 > From: Susan Hares > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM > To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "raysaikat@gmail= .com" , "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" ,= "draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segmen= t-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) > =20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment= -routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach a= nd Jie) should indicate if they know if any IPR. The draft can be found at= : > =20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-e= pe/ > =20 > In the discussion, please consider: > a) Does this addition to BGP-LS for exporting BGP egress point topol= ogies provides useful information for BGP deployments in the internet, > b) Are there scaling issues in adding this information to BGP-LS, an= d > c) The technical merits and issues with this proposal. > =20 > Susan Hares and John Scudder > =20 > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > =20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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<00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:41:56 -0000 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:08:14AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt > (6/15 - 6/29). > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other > draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. I support adoption. 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Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] IDR interim 6/15/2015 minutes X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:53:21 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D0A761.DCE16650 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_010F_01D0A761.DCE16650" ------=_NextPart_001_010F_01D0A761.DCE16650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IDR interim was held today from 10:00 - 10:30am ET. The minutes are attached. Please send comments on the minutes, and I will revise the minutes. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_001_010F_01D0A761.DCE16650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The IDR = interim was held today from 10:00 – 10:30am ET.   The = minutes are attached.  Please send comments on the minutes, and I = will revise the minutes.

 

Sue Hares =

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DR interim meeting 6/15 10:00 - 11:30am = ET 

Agenda: 

10:00 - 10:05   Bash = Agenda
10:05 - 10:20  Presentation of Merged BGP Yang = module
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    (Keyur Patel, Anees Shaikh, Rob = Shakir) 
Open Config reference: 
http:&#= x2F;/www.openconfig.net/data-models/project-updates/u= pdatedbgpandpolicymodels
IETF Draft: 
http://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/
10:10 - 10:25        Discussion = of Merged BGP Module 
Discussion: 
  • Benoit: OpenConfig discussion netmod interim = meeting on thursday.  
    • We want to = provide guidelines RFC6087bis - we want to provide = guidelines. 
    • You metion draft-shaikh-rtwg-policy model, = what is the status of the policy model draft? 
  • Keyur: = The policy model draft has not been forwarded to rtgwg for = adoption.  
    • It is stable draft = progressing toward WG draft.
  • Anees: This is correct. We = just revised it.  It is proceeding toward WG draft with the policy = draft (draft-shaikh-rtgwg-policy-model-00). 
    • We are waiting for a WG draft to mature with = vendors.  The IDR draft we are proposing dues support that policy = model. 
  • Rob: This model is the base configuration for = the bgp policy. You just get anchor points within bgp to reference = policies 
    • Our OpenConfig work pushes = both bgp model and policy model. The two models are roughly equally = mature.  The BGP is slightly ahead due to the call for adoption = this morning. 
  • Alex Zhdankin
    • What is the link between this model and the routing = draft? 
    • You should have some link to the routing = model.  You should put the BGP into the routing = sub-tree. 
    • Why is it separate? 
  • Rob: We = did not think that it was critical to have a link to the Routing = model.  The key thing is for the IDR model to agree = on 
    • what is the BGP model, and when = there is consensus on where it goes, we can place it with the routing = model? 
  • Alex Zhdankin:
    • For the implementation, it does matter what is in = the routing model. 
  • Rob: It is agree that for the = implementation, we will need both the routing model and the = IDR. 
    • We are focused in IDR on = deciding if it can express the right BGP policy, 
    • overall = coordination can then decide on where that should be = placed
  • Keyur: Good morning Alex.  This model only = defines what BGP extensions to the routing policy draft  = (draft-shaikh-rtgwg-policy-model-00).  The BGP model links to the = policy draft. 
  • Alex: I am not concerned about the review, = and I concerned about the = implementation.  
  • Jeff:  What is original it is = this comes in from the OpenConfig work. 
  • Sue: it is now up = for WG adoption so it is (becoming) an IETF = draft.  
  • Jeff: the history helps answer Alex's = question 
  • Sue: agreed

  • Alex:There is devices that need to know how this = links into the routing model. 
  • Rob:  It is only a = challenge to have multiple instances for VRF.
  • Alex: There is a = problem for implementation without having the routing policy = link. 
  • Rob: I would love to have to have people adopt an = iterated form of this BGP model for multiple lists. 
  • Acee: = Propose moving this to the list.
  • Keyur: No problem we will move = this to the list. 
  • Benoit: Do you have any strong view on = how you want to put status in Netmod devices, then please come to netmod = meeting thursday.
  • Benoit: Will  you put Open = Issues 
  • Sue: Open issues list to be created on wiki. = Authors can update, it's an open wiki.
  • Acee: Will you have = another interim before IETF?? 
  • Sue: On June 29th will be = another interim. 

10:25 am ET = adjourn
 

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10:05 meeting = begins

10:06 keyur presenting yang data model updates (see = slides)
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=0A= =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D0A761.DCE16650-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 09:37:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554871A8FD7; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:37:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acCsYE3hVNHx; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C90E1A8F4C; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id CAA7B22CE26; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:37:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.75]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A702F238197; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:37:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:37:35 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Thread-Index: AdCnapGSX8ckVtarRMuzgYjOkdAWfAAHvXDA Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:37:35 +0000 Message-ID: <28092_1434386255_557EFF4F_28092_8130_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B9D32@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B9D32OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.6.15.142417 Archived-At: Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:37:41 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B9D32OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. 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This begins a 2 week WG Adoptio= n call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 – 6/29). 

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 

This is the base BGP module fro= m a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-= cfg). 

 

Please review this yang modules= and comment on it on the list.  

 

Sue Hares

 

 

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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5B9D32OPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 11:16:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9861A1A51; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OtSnNjO7OI5Z; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3BC1A1A4F; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 299611E39A; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:17:47 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20150615181747.GC2288@pfrc.org> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:16:41 -0000 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:08:14AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt > (6/15 - 6/29). > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ I support adoption of this draft. I will state very early that it is highly likely that the draft will need to be split into separate drafts based on the necessity to make some components IANA managed. It is fine to leave them in the same draft for the time being, but the minute we get a second draft referring to components that may need to be revised at a separate cadence a split should happen. > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, > please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors > to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are > many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. Please also be aware that the modules have previously been shared in yang central. I would like to encourage the authors to continue doing this, even if the location within the repository changes. This permits edits to the draft to be done in the form of precise patches rather than ad-hoc mailing list edits. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Jun 15 11:26:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FE91A1A7D for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTPvwFyGAHkg for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71B01A1A8F for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 68F3C1E39A; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:27:14 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Message-ID: <20150615182714.GD2288@pfrc.org> References: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006801d09c15$ba8bba30$2fa32e90$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, 'Robert Raszuk' , 'Paul Jakma' , 'Shane Amante' , 'Bruno Decraene' , draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:26:29 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:50:32PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno > Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether they > know of any IPR. I do not know of any IPR pertaining to the wide-communities draft. > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to > draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, [Speaking as an author of this draft.] I believe that IDR should also continue with the generic as4octet community. While the issue of communities in the form of two 4-octet numbers is known and is desired to support the AS4:AS4 mapping, the generic draft covers cases that can be readily accommodated in AS4:2-byte number case. Unlike the wide communities draft, this uses existing the BGP extended community and is easy to implement. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Jun 15 11:36:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0244A1A1AA2; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IHXbwrektc5F; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A511A1B49; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iecrd14 with SMTP id rd14so37061558iec.3; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=W+7wWRlqB8gilEYR2xr5jvPcFF+rOpwNffW42mlK7YU=; b=Bn7f7HzzdIopKJuMW93pxoAxd08M+mxzMRPCYFCCkqHDwcdr6XkpsgEdGcMRvBwk2Y +b6XIlLSdlgAD24gsLmoXsVhZxu77HF1dSsI/PlkrQ6ecFvdnikM6yZqOUM+ivOvyrTr fGtbZEx0CUVg8p4Vs0ZqZHoZg26hInHR2Iu14eC2V8q9XuANylwPNnk57nNU3aXjPCr7 wVzrGJQfCDF5VExh02KclbMXG3hDECVCC5OhF8wylthz0MDTbZtMn0h9b9RQ2Nu9NtE+ cv20uQpctS9f2rYywbqjw96uDNMTF7J+C1TSKuyamNUDukjWursNtHAxX4xXbBBTq2C0 i6ig== X-Received: by 10.50.17.104 with SMTP id n8mr22524476igd.21.1434393364663; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.154.209.153] ([128.107.241.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x3sm8139404igl.2.2015.06.15.11.36.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_16A1BC3A-C600-40B0-BA81-318678E29309" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <20150615181747.GC2288@pfrc.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: <6EC40B2F-74F8-4F2B-A4A9-E0B5A9C7F3D8@gmail.com> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> <20150615181747.GC2288@pfrc.org> To: Jeffrey Haas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares , idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:36:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_16A1BC3A-C600-40B0-BA81-318678E29309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeff, +1 I know there are several repositories out there, so it would help to = clarify which repository in addition to YANG central where the models = should be shared (at least currently). NETMOD is encouraging folks to = share their IETF models in GitHub here: https://github.com/YangModels/yang > On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: >=20 > Please also be aware that the modules have previously been shared in > yang central. I would like to encourage the authors to continue doing = this, > even if the location within the repository changes. This permits = edits to > the draft to be done in the form of precise patches rather than ad-hoc > mailing list edits. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_16A1BC3A-C600-40B0-BA81-318678E29309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Jeff,

+1

I = know there are several repositories out there, so it would help to = clarify which repository in addition to YANG central where the models = should be shared (at least currently). NETMOD is encouraging folks to = share their IETF models in GitHub here:

https://github.com/YangModels/yang
On = Jun 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> = wrote:

Please also be aware that the modules have = previously been shared in
yang central.  I = would like to encourage the authors to continue doing this,
even if the location within the repository = changes.  This permits edits to
the draft to be done in the form of precise = patches rather than ad-hoc
mailing list = edits.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



= --Apple-Mail=_16A1BC3A-C600-40B0-BA81-318678E29309-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 11:54:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B9A1A6EE1 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TnIEflmHzXyx for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879D61A6EF2 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37EEA1E39A; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:55:27 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Robert Raszuk Message-ID: <20150615185527.GE2288@pfrc.org> References: <20150530055345.15364.12184.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgTmV3IFZlcnNpb24gTm90aWZpY2F0aW9uIGZv?= =?utf-8?q?r_draft-liang-idr-flowspec-orf-00=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:54:21 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 11:18:49AM +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote: > ​ORF in general is about pushing your inbound filter to a peer. Here we are > talking about installing inbound filters for flow spec routes and pushing > it to a peer. More importantly, in my opinion, flowspec already does rather well at distributing its filtering behaviors without the need for the added complexity of the ORF mechanism. I don't believe ORF is a good fit and I strongly suggest that this work be discontinued. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Jun 15 12:10:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3201A87C3; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVyHErduEkyw; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) 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(2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: keyupate@cisco.com, idr@ietf.org, draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org, cfilsfil@cisco.com, raysaikat@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:13:23 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:26:46PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03.txt. The authors (Stefano, > Clarence, Saikat, Keyur, Mach and Jie) should indicate if they know if any > IPR. The draft can be found at: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ I support adoption of this draft. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Jun 15 13:24:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C22D1A6EDE; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FyS5KOk6lZxm; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02FE1A1BFA; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Mahesh Jethanandani'" , "'Jeffrey Haas'" References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> <20150615181747.GC2288@pfrc.org> <6EC40B2F-74F8-4F2B-A4A9-E0B5A9C7F3D8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6EC40B2F-74F8-4F2B-A4A9-E0B5A9C7F3D8@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301d0a7a9$55bd3800$0137a800$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D0A787.CEAEA540" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIPBWpRRKWmRDOk338HCpYAYoZK6gJYnM7aAdHoeaadD+81MA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 20:24:57 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D0A787.CEAEA540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mahesh and Jeff: Thanks for pointing out the place for yang modules. I hope that all BGP modules will put their modules in github repositories. Sue From: Mahesh Jethanandani [mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:37 PM To: Jeffrey Haas Cc: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Jeff, +1 I know there are several repositories out there, so it would help to clarify which repository in addition to YANG central where the models should be shared (at least currently). NETMOD is encouraging folks to share their IETF models in GitHub here: https://github.com/YangModels/yang On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: Please also be aware that the modules have previously been shared in yang central. I would like to encourage the authors to continue doing this, even if the location within the repository changes. This permits edits to the draft to be done in the form of precise patches rather than ad-hoc mailing list edits. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D0A787.CEAEA540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mahesh and Jeff:

 

Thanks for pointing out the place for yang modules.  I hope that = all BGP modules will put their modules in github repositories. =

 

Sue

 

From:= = Mahesh Jethanandani [mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com]
Sent: = Monday, June 15, 2015 2:37 PM
To: Jeffrey Haas
Cc: = Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [Idr] WG adoption call for = draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt

 

Jeff,

 

+1

 

I = know there are several repositories out there, so it would help to = clarify which repository in addition to YANG central where the models = should be shared (at least currently). NETMOD is encouraging folks to = share their IETF models in GitHub here:

 

 

On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> = wrote:

 

Please = also be aware that the modules have previously been shared in
yang = central.  I would like to encourage the authors to continue doing = this,
even if the location within the repository changes.  This = permits edits to
the draft to be done in the form of precise patches = rather than ad-hoc
mailing list = edits.

 

Mahesh Jethanandani

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D0A787.CEAEA540-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 14:12:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62F1A8955; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.088 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.088 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oudFRm3iuOaO; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta7.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta7.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF511A894C; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.82.253.67] by server-3.bemta-7.messagelabs.com id EF/A6-47069-0BF3F755; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:12:16 +0000 X-Env-Sender: eric.osborne@level3.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-158.messagelabs.com!1434402736!12106019!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.245.18.37] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13235 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2015 21:12:16 -0000 Received: from bge23000.messagelabs1.prod.broomfield1.level3.net (HELO messagelabs1.level3.com) (209.245.18.37) by server-13.tower-158.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Jun 2015 21:12:16 -0000 Received: from USIDCWVEHT02.corp.global.level3.com (usidcwveht02.corp.global.level3.com [10.1.142.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "USIDCWVEHT02.corp.global.level3.com", Issuer "VIDCCERT0001" (not verified)) by messagelabs1.level3.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04FCE1DEAA; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USADCWVEHT01.corp.global.level3.com (10.2.36.141) by USIDCWVEHT02.corp.global.level3.com (10.1.142.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:12:16 -0600 Received: from USIDCWVEMBX03.corp.global.level3.com ([fe80::e849:4e57:cb74:ed58]) by usadcwveht01.corp.global.level3.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:12:12 -0400 From: "Osborne, Eric" To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Thread-Index: AdCnapGSX8ckVtarRMuzgYjOkdAWfAARVazw Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:12:11 +0000 Message-ID: <63CB93BC589C1B4BAFDB41A0A19B7ACD1A3A823D@USIDCWVEMBX03.corp.global.level3.com> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.141.15] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:12:18 -0000 Support. eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:08 AM > To: idr@ietf.org > Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.t= xt > (6/15 - 6/29). >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and > other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sue Hares >=20 >=20 >=20 > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand > of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, please be kind to the authors beca= use > this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out f= or > the 6/15/2015 interim. There are many other BGP yang drafts that will ne= ed > to align with this draft. >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jun 15 16:04:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AFD1B2F6D; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOYXc7tVM8o4; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 104421B2F69; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: , , Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:04:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00b001d0a7bf$aa734ea0$ff59ebe0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdCnv4CgVRt9jT5tTUacBsSoRjMmEw== X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Third and FINAL call for volunteers, Nomcom 2015-2016 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:04:46 -0000 Hi all:=20 You can volunteering for nomcom for 1 more week. Consider volunteering = - you'll see how your Routing AD gets selected. =20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = NomCom Chair 2015 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 5:59 AM To: IETF Announcement List Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Third and FINAL call for volunteers, Nomcom 2015-2016 ***Reminder: Deadline for volunteering for Nomcom is in ONE WEEK.*** The IETF nomcom appoints folks to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the = IAB, and the IESG. Ten voting members for the nomcom are selected in a verifiably random = way from a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we = have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF = population. The details of the operation of the nomcom can be found in RFC 7437, and = BCP10/RFC3797 details the selection algorithm. Volunteers must have attended 3 of the past 5 IETF meetings. As = specified in RFC 7437, that means three out of the five past meetings up = to the time this email announcement goes out to start the solicitation = of volunteers. The five meetings out of which you must have attended *three* are: IETF 88 (Vancouver), \ 89 (London), \ 90 (Toronto), *** ANY THREE! 91 (Honolulu), / 92 (Dallas) / If you qualify, please volunteer. However, much as we want this, = before you decide to volunteer, please be sure you are willing to forgo = appointment to any of the positions for which this nomcom is = responsible. As of today, we have 151 confirmed volunteers. 72 of those who ticked = the box on the registration form for Hawaii, Dallas and Prague have = still not responded. If you believe you have volunteered, and your name is NOT below, please = contact me as soon as possible. Thank you for volunteering! The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2016 IETF = meeting, and thus the positions for which this nomcom is responsible, = are IAOC: No terms expire at this time. IAB: Mary Barnes Joe Hildebrand Ted Hardie Erik Nordmark Brian Trammell Marc Blanchet IESG: Alissa Cooper (ART) Barry Leiba (ART) Brian Haberman (Internet) Benoit Claise (Operations and Management) Alia Atlas (Routing) Kathleen = Moriarty (Security) Martin Stiemerling (Transport) The Applications and Real-Time (ART) area is the expected new area = resulting from the merge of the APP and RAI areas. All appointments are for 2 years. The ART and Routing areas have 3 ADs and the General area has 1; all = other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas have at least one continuing AD. The primary activity for this nomcom will begin in July 2015 and should = be completed in January 2016. The nomcom will have regularly scheduled conference calls to ensure progress. (We might dogfood WebRTC) There = will be activities to collect requirements from the community, review = candidate questionnaires, review feedback from community members about = candidates, and talk to candidates. Thus, being a nomcom member does require some time commitment; but it is = also a very rewarding experience. It is very important that you be able to attend IETF94 (Yokohama) to = conduct interviews. Being at IETF93 (Prague) is useful for orientation. Being at IETF95 is = not essential. Please volunteer by sending me an email before 11:59 pm CET (UTC +2 = hours) June 22, 2015, as follows: To: nomcom-chair-2015@ietf.org Subject: Nomcom 2015-16 Volunteer Please include the following information in the email body: Your Full Name: __________ // as you write it on the IETF registration form Current Primary = Affiliation: // Typically what goes in the Company field // in the IETF Registration Form Emails: _______________ // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings // Preferred email address first Telephone: _______________________ // For confirmation if selected You should expect an email response from me within 3 business days = stating whether or not you are qualified. If you don't receive this = response, please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the = subject line. If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider = that nomcom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership = of the IETF. Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the nomcom is a great way to contribute to the IETF! You will find a detailed timeline on the nomcom web site at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2015/ Thank you! Harald Alvestrand hta+nomcom@alvestrand.no nomcom-chair-2015@ietf.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D qualified volunteers so far, in alphabetical order by = first name Adam Montville Adrian Farrel ANDREW Dolganow Andrew Newton = Andy Bierman ANM Zaheduzzaman Sarker Anoop Ghanwani Anthony Nadalin Ari = Keranen Benno Overeinder Bernard Aboba Bhumip KHASNABISH Bing Liu Borje = Ohlman Carl Moberg Carlos Martinez Cengiz Alaettinoglu Charles Eckel = Charles Perkins Chris Bowers Christer Holmberg Christian Huitema = Christian O'Flaherty Cong Liu Corinna Schmitt Cullen Jennings Damien = Saucez Daniele Ceccarelli Dapeng Liu David Conrad David Lamparter David = Mandelberg David Sinicrope Dean Bogdanovic Derek Atkins Dhruv Dhody = Dimitri Papadimitriou Donald Eastlake 3rd Edward Lemon Eliot Lear Emil = Ivov Eric Gray Eric Vyncke Fangwei Hu Fernando Gont Fred Baker George = Michaelson George Swallow Georgios Karagiannis Gonzalo Salgueiro Gregory = Mirsky Hannes Gredler Hongyu Li Huaimo Chen Ignas Bagdonas Jason Weil = Jean-Marc Valin Jean-Michel Combes Jesus Maria Martin Garcia Joel = Halpern John Bradley John Brzozowski John Drake John Mattsson John = Scudder Jon Hudson Jon Mitchell jouni korhonen Karen O'Donoghue Keith = Moore Kenneth Gray Kent Watsen Kepeng Li Keyur Patel Laurent Ciavaglia = Lee Howard Liang Xia Linda Dunbar Lingli Deng Lixia Zhang Lucy Lynch = Luigi Iannone Mach CHEN Magnus Westerlund Mahalingam Mani Mark Townsley = Matthew Bocci Matthew Lepinski Mehmet Ersue Michael Jones Michael = StJohns Min Ye nalini elkins Nancy Cam-Winget Nathan Egge Niel Harper = Ning Kong Ning Zong Ole Jacobsen Ole Tr=C3=B8an Pascal Thubert Patrick = McManus Paul Wouters Peng Fan Peter Koch Peter Yee P=C3=A5l-Erik = Martinsen QIN WU Rich Salz Richard Barnes Robby Simpson Ron Bonica Ross = Callon Salvatore Loreto Sam K. Aldrin Sanjay Mishra Scott Mansfield = Sheng Jiang SHUCHENG LIU Simon Perreault Sri Gundavelli Stephan Wenger = Stephen Kent Steve Donovan Steve Olshansky Steven Wright Suhas = Nandakumar Suresh Krishnan Susan Hares Thomas Nadeau Thomas Walsh Tim = Wicinski Timothy Terriberry Tina (Ting) Tsou (Zou) TIRUMALESWAR REDDY = KONDA Tobias Gondrom Toerless Eckert Tomohiro Fujisaki Tony Hansen Uma = Chunduri Vic Liu Vijay Gurbani Warren Kumari Wassim Haddad Wijnands = IJsbrand Xufeng Liu Yi Zhao Yihong Huang Yizhou Li Yuanlong Jiang = Zhaohui Zhang From nobody Mon Jun 15 16:34:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4541B3078; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AatpcHF-i-nz; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C118A1B3075; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <00d001d0a7c3$d1c40450$754c0cf0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01D0A7A2.4AB327A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdCnw39cb2XJR9HzRJ+ekLDni+ImuQ== X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week adoption call for draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-02 (5/22 to 6/5) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:34:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01D0A7A2.4AB327A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 2 week WG adoption poll has completed for draft-want-idr-eag-distribution, and this draft has been adopted as a WG draft. 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The 2 week = WG adoption poll has completed for draft-want-idr-eag-distribution, and = this draft has been adopted as a WG draft.  Will the authors please = submit this as draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution?

 

Sue = Hares

------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01D0A7A2.4AB327A0-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 16:42:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BF21B30D3 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0kSJ6aoxTVP for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7094F1B307C for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <00dd01d0a7c4$eef3fb60$ccdbf220$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01D0A7A3.67E3E200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdCnxIewnVD3mmywTrWGOzhQ/yvYFw== X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@tools.ietf.org, "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-03 (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:42:29 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01D0A7A3.67E3E200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 2 week adoption call period has completed (5/31 to 6/14), and this draft has been adopted by the IDR Working group. The authors should submit this draft as: Draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segement-routing-epe-00.txt Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01D0A7A3.67E3E200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The 2 week adoption call period has completed = (5/31 to 6/14), and this draft has been adopted by the IDR Working = group.  The authors should submit this draft = as:

 

Draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segement-routing-epe-00.txt =

 

Sue Hares

 

------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01D0A7A3.67E3E200-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 17:05:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6600C1B322F for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rBqoxR7uq2K6 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 174E01B322A for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 20:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <00ff01d0a7c8$325b5ad0$97121070$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0100_01D0A7A6.AB4B4170" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdCnxThF9INTx0GUSLG2JmQc2ZxfFQ== X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Subject: [Idr] 1 Week notice of intent for: draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:05:53 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01D0A7A6.AB4B4170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDR WG: The IDR Chairs find that draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt solves an important administrative for RTC for address families that do not carry RTs. However a WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt had no responses. This is a notice that the WG chairs intend to forward this draft to the IESG as a WG consensus document. John and I suspect that people are focused on BGP protocol changes or BGP yang modules rather than worry about the administrative documents (reasonable for WG members). However, the chairs must worry about the administrative drafts as well. This 1 week WG call is to ask the IDR WG if anyone objects to forwarding this document as an IDR consensus document. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01D0A7A6.AB4B4170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IDR = WG:

 

The IDR Chairs find that = draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt solves an important administrative for = RTC for address families that do not carry RTs.   However a WG = LC for draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt had no responses.  =  This is a notice that the WG chairs intend to forward this draft = to the IESG as a WG consensus  document. 

 

John and I = suspect that people are focused on BGP protocol changes or BGP yang = modules rather than worry about the administrative documents (reasonable = for WG members).  However, the chairs must worry about the = administrative drafts as well.

 

This 1 week = WG call is to ask the IDR WG if anyone objects to forwarding this = document as an IDR consensus document.

 

Sue Hares =

 

------=_NextPart_000_0100_01D0A7A6.AB4B4170-- From nobody Mon Jun 15 19:23:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191B21ACD3C for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJGaa2t56Q3Y for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493DC1ACD33 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (pool-70-106-220-218.clppva.fios.verizon.net [70.106.220.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F12C25406D3; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:23:19 -0400 (EDT) References: <00ff01d0a7c8$325b5ad0$97121070$@ndzh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <00ff01d0a7c8$325b5ad0$97121070$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AD6FC9B7-6E9F-44D8-A598-911F1EDFD41D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2DEF8347-1172-43A3-AE4F-F1F44AFA9501@puck.nether.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12F70) From: Jon Mitchell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:23:18 -0400 To: Susan Hares Archived-At: Cc: "" , "John G. Scudder" Subject: Re: [Idr] 1 Week notice of intent for: draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 02:23:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail-AD6FC9B7-6E9F-44D8-A598-911F1EDFD41D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support for WGLC, personally feel the abstract is a bit wordy (some if the b= ackground could be moved or already exists in Intro) but can be handled in e= diting process if authors agree. -Jon > On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > IDR WG: > =20 > The IDR Chairs find that draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt solves an importa= nt administrative for RTC for address families that do not carry RTs. Howe= ver a WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.txt had no responses. This is a= notice that the WG chairs intend to forward this draft to the IESG as a WG c= onsensus document.=20 > =20 > John and I suspect that people are focused on BGP protocol changes or BGP y= ang modules rather than worry about the administrative documents (reasonable= for WG members). However, the chairs must worry about the administrative d= rafts as well. > =20 > This 1 week WG call is to ask the IDR WG if anyone objects to forwarding t= his document as an IDR consensus document. > =20 > Sue Hares > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-AD6FC9B7-6E9F-44D8-A598-911F1EDFD41D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support for WGLC, perso= nally feel the abstract is a bit wordy (some if the background could be move= d or already exists in Intro) but can be handled in editing process if autho= rs agree.

-Jon

On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Susa= n Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote= :

IDR WG:

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IDR Chairs find that draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.t= xt solves an important administrative for RTC for address families that do n= ot carry RTs.   However a WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-00.tx= t had no responses.   This is a notice that the WG chairs intend t= o forward this draft to the IESG as a WG consensus  document. 

 

John and I suspect that people are focused on BGP protocol changes or BGP= yang modules rather than worry about the administrative documents (reasonab= le for WG members).  However, the chairs must worry about the administr= ative drafts as well.

 

This 1 week WG call is to ask the IDR WG if anyo= ne objects to forwarding this document as an IDR consensus document.

 

S= ue Hares

 

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If you find errors, please be= kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an i= nitial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are many other BGP= yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-3338A0C6-FECF-4793-9DB9-019922E02C2E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support for adoption.
-Jon

On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-mode= l-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29). 

=  

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf= t-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

 =

This is the base BGP module from a merge of= the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg).  <= o:p>

 

Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. &nb= sp;

 

Sue Hares

 <= /p>

PS - Benoit= just sent out a note that an online validator is at: www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Mober= g).   If you find errors, please be kind to the authors becaus= e this WG chair encouraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out fo= r the 6/15/2015 interim.  There are many other BGP yang drafts that wil= l need to align with this draft.  

 

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On 4/16/15, 4:45 AM, "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

[Author hat on.]

Jie:

Hi!

= And one minor comment:

=  

= In section 3 and section 6 it says:

=  

= =93For the sake of scalability the advertisement of multiple paths should b= e limited to those prefixes which are affected by MED-induced route oscilla= tion in a network carrying a large number of alternate paths.=94

=  

= How do the RRs or confederation ASBRs identify those prefixes affected by M= ED-induced oscillation?  Is there some rules or it is operator configu= ration?

The oscillations are described in rfc3345.  However, the implemen= tation of an automatic mechanism may not be trivial, and it is outside the = scope of this document.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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Cheers, -Mohan On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29). > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > > > > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and > other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > > > > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of *Carl Moberg*). If you find > errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged th= e > authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. > There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this > draft. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --001a1134c36863c0b60518a0b1be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support for Adoption.

Cheers,
-Mohan


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Susan Hares <<= a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com>= wrote:

This begins a 2 week= WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/2= 9).=C2=A0

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http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

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This is the base BGP module from a = merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg)= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please review this yang modules and comment on it on t= he list.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

Sue Hares

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PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online val= idator is at: ww= w.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg).=C2=A0 =C2=A0= If you find errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair enc= ouraged the authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 in= terim.=C2=A0 There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align w= ith this draft. =C2=A0

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DB3PR07MB060; 3:mVkgBi+WEAMqEfFlo4vCsDulzodmTip0vdyMAPmLvkw/DX86WrX3PWKZOdQruc4Vd6uUdNl1Ycl11pLzSFypqF8fGcv09erhUnXPtSfoNCFJw8NEGth5cYB6Ya8l5EVTUicO3VUEkJ4IMs0T5aBwLg==; 10:LRlke6epUqqvg5GwxHa8kB7DmxlgE4Ov7XuxW9UzzUrpkijzgMpmy1ylbwOkhMm6oBJiChi0w0Fo58X7jcS6slo67OLzCl+aVLZlkbeirI4=; 6:u1lV5bpjZBbzy48/DyWzA0uqaKiNdcyXwrHQrq+/NNQJ6TkYL2iyjV52mjxkuLKF X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2015 11:36:29.7122 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB3PR07MB060 Archived-At: Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:36:49 -0000 If I thought that opposing adoption would make any difference, I would oppose adoption:-) The problem hits me on the first page, which is a list of 10 authors. This is unlikely to be allowed in the final RFC and, in my experience, is frowned upon for a good reason. Ten people is a committee and, while a small tightly focussed design team can produce good results, committees rarely do, in the IETF. I want to see one or two identified editors responsible for making changes to the I-D as agreed by the WG and having 10 such is, IMHO, likely to impede progress. This is an issue that I think will have to be addressed at some point and I think that the best time for that is now. (In passing, a recent discussion on the IETF list flagged the problems of having WG Chairs as editors of WG documents, which I think spot on). Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:08 PM > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt > (6/15 - 6/29). > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > > > > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other > draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > > > > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, > please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors > to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are > many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > From nobody Tue Jun 16 06:54:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2850B1B3625; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.941 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.941 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjJgSdD_y_W0; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A64F91B352B; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=8.25.222.10; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'t.petch'" , References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> <010401d0a828$501d4c80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <010401d0a828$501d4c80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 09:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00ab01d0a83b$ea1fe500$be5faf00$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIPBWpRRKWmRDOk338HCpYAYoZK6gIjNI+WnSFSjLA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:54:16 -0000 Tom: Thank you for noticing the number of authors is out of balance with the IESG statement. For the purposes of this WG adoption call, please note the WG chairs will address the author list in the next revision. Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: t.petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:34 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt If I thought that opposing adoption would make any difference, I would oppose adoption:-) The problem hits me on the first page, which is a list of 10 authors. This is unlikely to be allowed in the final RFC and, in my experience, is frowned upon for a good reason. Ten people is a committee and, while a small tightly focussed design team can produce good results, committees rarely do, in the IETF. I want to see one or two identified editors responsible for making changes to the I-D as agreed by the WG and having 10 such is, IMHO, likely to impede progress. This is an issue that I think will have to be addressed at some point and I think that the best time for that is now. (In passing, a recent discussion on the IETF list flagged the problems of having WG Chairs as editors of WG documents, which I think spot on). Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:08 PM > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt > (6/15 - 6/29). > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > > > > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other > draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > > > > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of Carl Moberg). If you find errors, > please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the authors > to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. There are > many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this draft. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > From nobody Tue Jun 16 08:03:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D317B1B2DD2; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Id1HU5uMMr9x; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAF71B3A90; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150616150256.26984.13159.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:02:56 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:02:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distribution of MPLS-TE Extended admin Group Using BGP Authors : Zitao Wang Qin Wu Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2015-06-15 Abstract: As MPLS-TE network grows, administrative Groups advertised as a fixed-length 32-bit Bitmask is quite constraining. "Extended Administrative Group" IGP TE extensions sub-TLV defined in [RFC7308] is introduced to provide for additional administrative groups (link colors) beyond the current limit of 32. This document describes extensions to BGP protocol, that can be used to distribute extended administrative groups in MPLS-TE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jun 17 03:24:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A141A88C6; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YrsDWKG1zFFL; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529F01A8870; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:23:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150617102354.2747.90678.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:23:54 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:23:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Egress Peer Engineering BGP-LS Extensions Authors : Stefano Previdi Clarence Filsfils Saikat Ray Keyur Patel Jie Dong Mach (Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2015-06-17 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages source routing. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node of the SR domain. The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS dataplane with no change on the forwarding plane. It requires minor extension to the existing link-state routing protocols. This document outline a BGP-LS extension for exporting BGP egress point topology information (including its peers, interfaces and peering ASs) in a way that is exploitable in order to compute efficient Egress Point Engineering policies and strategies. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jun 22 05:03:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D591A01CB for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 05:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hIntyDqcCRAt for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A9121A0199 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.195.139; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:03:33 -0400 Message-ID: <010f01d0ace3$76d441c0$647cc540$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01D0ACC1.EFC2A1C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCs40leNPTip6mISo+bAOrdbzGhrg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Please send your requests X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:03:41 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01D0ACC1.EFC2A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IDR Working group has been schedule for Monday 7/20 from 17:40 -18:40, and Friday 7/24 from 11:50 - 13:20. 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------=_NextPart_000_0110_01D0ACC1.EFC2A1C0-- From nobody Mon Jun 22 06:26:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1051A8AC8; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3aQp4sgdgo1f; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8CDC1A038B; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.195.139; From: "Susan Hares" To: , , , References: <22773_1432301345_555F2F21_22773_5225_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F58CFEE@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <22773_1432301345_555F2F21_22773_5225_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F58CFEE@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <019801d0acef$02af52b0$080df810$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIM9WM88S1yuXJvv2o0F/ow4GZjK50/8NpA Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, 'idr wg' Subject: Re: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:26:23 -0000 Bruno: I would like to separate the readability of the draft, the details of = the SLAs, and the passing of SLA information. I will work with the = authors on the readability of the draft and the SLA specification below. = I will work with the authors until they address these questions.=20 However, I want to address up-front passing the SLA information. I = agree that netconf/yang or I2RS could pass the SLA information. = However, this set of peers want to pass SLA in BGP. After we have = accepted passing link-state information in BGP between a set of peers, = are you concerned about passing SLA information? The SLA information is = also sent between a few peers.=20 If this is the issue, I would like to have a discussion of your concerns = on the IDR mail list.=20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 9:29 AM To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; idr wg Subject: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 Reviewer: Bruno Decraene Review Date: 22/05/2015 IETF LC End Date: 02/03/2015 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have significant concerns about this document and recommend = that the Routing ADs discuss these issues further with the authors.=20 (Or the chairs as I see that this document has not yet been passed to = the ADs) Comments: In general, the readability of the document is acceptable but could be = improved, both from a language and technical precision point of view. = (examples below). However, there are some normative parts of this Standard Track = specification that I could not understand. Major: M1) The Introduction states "In a multi-vendor network, translating SLAs into technology-specific = and vendor-specific configuration requires to consider specificities of = each vendor. There does not exist any standard protocol to translate SLA agreements = into technical clauses and configurations and thus both the steps of out = of band learning of negotiated SLA and provisioning them in a vendor = specific language can be complex and error-prone." =20 - I guess some would use NETCONF/YANG to address this. It could be = questioned why BGP has been preferred. Especially since: - in the VPN context (using a lot of QoS and the uses cases described = in the document) many customer connections use static routing rather = than eBGP. Hence this specification would not be enough to distribute = SLA and would require another protocol. - QoS is only one part of the configuration effort. Why using different = protocols to configure different aspects? - This may be related to draft-l3vpn-service-yang and the L3VPN Service = Model WG (l3sm). May be some form of coordination would be beneficial. M2)"The exception is where a BGP speaker, in the middle of an update = path to the destination AS, aggregates prefixes. We will refer this = middle BGP speaker, that aggregates routes, as an Aggregator. Aggregator = is then required to insert original NLRI details in the optional = advertiser field" =09 If you refer to the use of AS_SET, RFC6472 recommends against the use of = AS_SET. So, I'm not sure that there is a need to add complexity in this = specification in order to handle route aggregation. If removed, "section 5.3 Aggregator" may also be removed. =09 M4) "Traffic Class Description Ascii Description of the Traffic Class" Should it be UTF-8? M5) SLA definition It would be good to define what a SLA is. Especially since this whole = goal of the draft is to advertise SLA in BGP. Citing an individual draft = [CPP] is not enough to have an agreed on definition, especially for a = STD track RFC. Since QoS is not new in the IETF, there is probably a document defining = it (or using a more popular terminology). Looking in google, I don't really see matches for "IETF SLA" (outside of = documents written by the authors). Wikipedia seems to give a quite different definition, much wider than = diffserv specific parameters which seems to be the main point of this = BGP attribute: "A service-level agreement (SLA) is a part of a service = contract[disambiguation needed] where a service is formally defined. = Particular aspects of the service - scope, quality, responsibilities - = are agreed between the service provider and the service user. A common = feature of an SLA is a contracted delivery time (of the service or = performance). As an example, Internet service providers and telcos will = commonly include service level agreements within the terms of their = contracts with customers to define the level(s) of service being sold in = plain language terms. In this case the SLA will typically have a = technical definition in terms of mean time between failures (MTBF), mean = time to repair or mean time to recovery (MTTR); identifying which party = is responsible for reporting faults or paying fees; responsibility for = various data rates; throughput; jitter; or similar measurable details.." M6) " Traffic Class Service (optional), 16-bit =3D type of the field variable-length =3D based on type of the service" =09 Please specify the content of the "variable-length" field.=20 If it only contains the Data Type of the IPFIX Information Elements, I'm = not sure how the encoding supports, on the receiving side, the skipping = of unknown ElementID. Given that I also don't see an end to end negotiation channel for the = BGP speaker to known the capabilities of the BGP receiver, I don't see = how the specification will support the introduction of new Traffic Class = Services in the future.=09 M7) NLRI I don't see the relation between the QoS attribute and the NLRI. - Is the QoS attribute only applicable to the NLRI advertised? If so = what is the relation with destinationIP* advertised in the classifier = Element? Should they be restricted to more specifics of the advertised = NLRI? - Also the QoS attribute may instruct "to drop entire BGP update message = [Note that it is an indication to drop entire update message, not only = QoS attribute]". This means that the NLRI will not be propagated, hence = routed, anymore, which seems strange. To preserve routing of the NLRI, = do the QoS attribute require to advertise a less specific prefix (with = no QoS attribute) in addition? Or to use ADD_PATH to advertise the NLRI = multiple times (with & without the QoS attribute). Possibly same question for the relation between the QoS attribute and = the AFI/SAFI of the BGP UPDATE. Is the QoS attribute to be understood in = the context of the AFI/SAFI or not? e.g. if the classifier element is = the ipDiffServCodePoint does it match all protocols or only the one of = the AFI/SAFI? M8) Error handling Current text says that error handling MAY use attribute discard or MAY = use treat as withdraw. This seems underspecified as one implementation would be free to do = nothing, while another could do session reset. This would open many BGP = session reset in real networks. Please specific what must be done.=20 Besides, other part of the document provides some more = specific/different error handling. e.g. "If there are more than one such = Traffic Classes present then advertised SLA parameters MUST be ignored." Finally, the spec needs to define when the new attribute is considered = malformed. On an editorial note, I would prefer a dedicate section related to error = handling. M9) security consideration may require some discussion. "There is a potential for mis-behaved AS to advertise wrong SLA, = stealing identity of another AS." Agreed. But there are probably other attack vectors (e.g. modifying the = attribute during propagation, setting parameters to instruct BGP to drop = the message (as this seems alllowed by the specification)...) "This resembles to problems already identified and resolved, in the = routing world, thru reverse path forwarding check." "Resembles" is not enough. "Resolved" is probably a bit quick. "One proposal, inline to RPF, to resolve such threats is to have each = BGP speaker node, in the forwarding path, perform reverse path check on = source AS." If this is a specification, it should be described in the document = (quickly citing it in the security section is not enough). It's also a bit short in term of specification. e.g. I don't see "source = AS" in the forwarding path (neither in the packet nor in the FIB) "Since we expect these messages to originate and distributed in the = managed network, there should not be any risks for identity theft." If you restrict the use of this specification/ATTRIBUTE in "managed = network", this needs to be clarified from the beginning (and not at this = very end of the document), and the specification should take measure to = ensure that this attribute is not received from/leaked outside of this = "managed network". Defining "managed network" may also help, especially since the = proposition involves multiple ASes and multiple organisations. (otherwise, you need to handle the case when this attribute is used = outside of "managed network" and therefore consider the security = implications) M10) IANA section is under specified. e.g. you should: - states the name of the registry that you want to create or update. - states the name of the new entries in existing registries. - define all your new registries. (e.g. you don't have ones for new QoS = TLV subtypes (defined in =C2=A73.1), Optional Advertised id TLV, SLA = event Type...) - define the registration policy of those new registries. Reading RFC5226 may help. Minor (some not so minor): m1) From an editorial standpoint, the document may benefit from an = english language review. - Some sentences are hard to parse (at least for me). e.g. "The need = to exchange SLA parameters between domains (Automated Systems (AS)), = where in use-cases described in this document, BGP is a suitable = protocol for inter-domain exchange [RFC4271][RFC4364]. - Adding a full point "." at the end of each sentence may help the = parsing. - IMHO some sentences could be rewritten to improve readability. e.g. OLD:=20 highest order bit (bit 0) - It defines if update message MUST be dropped (if set to 1) without updating routing information base, when this is the last BGP receiver from the list of destination ASes this attribute is announced to, or MUST announce (if set to 0) further to BGP peers NEW highest order bit (bit 0) - This flags defines how update message must be handled by the last BGP = receiver in the list of destination ASes. If set (1) update message MUST be dropped without updating = routing information base. If cleared (0) update message MUST be further advertised to BGP = peers. =20 On a side note, at this point in the document, it's not crystal clear = what you mean by "update message". The QoS Attribute TLV? The QoS BGP = attribute? The BGP UPDATE message? In general, in the document, please = use the protocols names of the messages/fields. - "SLA sub-type specific value field details." I guess you mean = :s/specific/specifies.=20 =20 m2) OLD: Remaining bits are currently unused and MUST be set to 0 NEW: The lower-order seven bits of the Attribute Flags octet are unused. = They MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored when received.=20 (Proposed text is a copy/past from RFC 4271. You are free to use another = text but please specify the behaviour on the receiving side as we have = seen BGP session reset in the Internet which a much clearer sentence.) m3) That's not specific to this document, but I would find useful to = have the related implementation report draft be referenced in the = informative reference section. m4) "sub type Length" Please specify exactly what part of the message is = covered by the length (as some IETF spec use the length of the value = field, while some other use the length of the type+length+value fields. =20 m5) "32-bit source AS (Advertiser)" The word "advertiser" may be = misleading. (cf draft-hares-idr-update-attrib-low-bits-fix). RFC 4271 = uses "Originating speaker" (SIDR seems also to use "Origin". Multiple occurrences in the draft. m6) "0 =3D ignore Source and Destination AS list from this Value field. Instead refer to Source and Destination AS as defined by BGP message" I'm not sure what is meant by the second sentence. Please use the = specific names of BGP messages and fields. m7) "format of the SLA message" Giving names and number to figures could be considered. So does adding the memory axis: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 =09 =09 m8) =09 " Optional advertiser id total len 16-bit Source address identifier (optional)." =09 I read this as the field "Optional advertiser id total len" contains a = 16-bit Source address identifier. While this field probably contain the length of "something". Please = check/clarify.=20 m9)=20 "Optional Advertiser id TLV 4-bit type" =09 You need to specify the size of the "Length" field. Especially since you = introduce a somewhat unusual size of the "Type field" and some people = may assume that the size of the "length" field is of the same size = (4-bit), while some others may believe its the usual 1-octet. =09 m10)" Destination AS count 32-bit destination AS count to take variable length AS list." I guess you mean: number of destination ASes This field indicates the number of destination AS present in the = Destination AS list m11) "SLA Id" The text under "SLA Id" mixes text related to "SLA Id " and text related = to "Content". Please split the text. m12) I don't see a description of the filed "Content as per SLA Event" m13) " SLA Length 12-bits" Please specify what is covered/measured by this length field. =09 m14) " Direction 0x1 =3D incoming, from destination AS towards source AS 0x2 =3D outgoing, from source AS towards destination AS" I find the terms "incoming" and "outcoming" a bit misleading. e.g. the direction "from source AS towards destination AS" seems to be: - outgoing in the source AS - ingoing in the destination AS =09 m15) "Traffic Class Descr Length 08-bit, size of the length" proposition :s/size of the length/ length of XXX m16) In section 3, I don't see the specification of the REQUEST SLA even = type. At the end of the document, it's said that "discussion of REQUEST = message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out of the = scope of this document." In which case, you should probably not specify = a REQUEST SLA even type. =20 m19) "Given IPFIX [RFC5102] has well defined identifier set for a large = number of packet attributes, IPFIX IANA registry is = "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" chosen to specify packet = classification attributes." Sentence is hard to parse, which is an issue for a normative part.=09 The reference should probably be listed in the reference section. "However, since not all identifiers from IPFIX would be applicable to = this proposal, only a limited set identified here can be supported by = BGP SLA exchange. Any new element identifier, in future, added to the = IPFIX IANA registry does not automatically mean supported for this = proposal." - This probably calls for a IANA registry to identify which element = identifier can be used. - Text should clarify that the list of accepted identifiers is defined = in the subsequent list (having no name and no number). =09 m20) section 3 is hard to read. - IMO the document/section 3 would benefit from an section presenting an = overview of the solution - section 3 have a single subsection (3.1) hence the interest of using = subsection is limited. Given the size of section 3 (10 pages), to = improve readability I would suggest the use of multiples subsection. m21) "The minimum policed unit (m) and maximum packet size (M) parameters have no relevance for the purpose of SLA exchange. Thus they MUST be ignored." Why specifying and sending such parameters in BGP if they MUST be = ignored by the receiver? =20 =20 m22) " This rate indicates the minimum rate, measured in bytes of Layer 2 = (L2) datagrams per second," I'm not sure why the Layer 2 size is used rather than the layer 3 size. = As a consequence, you need to send additional information (L2_OVERHEAD) = which may be not needed otherwise. Draft cites RFC 2212 as the source of this TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC = parameter, and RFC 2212 use the IP datagram size. m23) "4. Originating SLA Notification The QoS attribute to advertise SLA sub-type MUST be added by the originator of a BGP UPDATE message." =20 I guess you don't mean that advertising this new attribute is mandatory. = So please rephrase (e.g. at least :s/MUST/MAY) =20 m24) " If a BGP node is capable of processing QoS attribute, it = optionally MAY process the message." What message? The BGP UPDATE? =20 m25) "BGP node MUST drop SLA related sub-type from the QoS attribute, = if none of the AS from the destination list is in the forwarding path." There is no AS in the forwarding path. Please rephrase. =20 m26) "5.2. BGP Node not Capable of Processing QoS Attribute If the BGP node is not capable of processing QoS attribute, it MUST forward the QoS attribute message unaltered." This section is completely useless. It should either be removed or at = the minimum should not specify a behavior. e.g. OLD: it MUST forward NEW: as per RFC4271, it will or should define what is meant by "processing QoS attribute". (my = reading is "does not recognize") m27) "If advertised QoS Attribute, inside an update message, is with a = flag set indicating to drop that message, a receiver MUST drop message = if it is the last receiver, in update path, that message is advertised = to." This is not extremely clear. Especially for a "MUST" behavior. Please = rephrase using the protocols names of the messages/fields. m28)"If the advertised SLA is from the next hop, in the reverse path, = the receiver may implement advertised SLA for the whole link, the link = could be physical or virtual link, associated with the next hop. " =20 I don't understand. Please rephrase. (e.g. which next-hop?, reverse path = of what?) "If NLRI advertised in update message is not of the next hop," I don't understand. Please rephrase.=20 m29) "For cases where if earlier messages have not reached the intended = receiver yet, a re-signaling is required. A receiver may intend to = request an SLA message from the originator in such case. Since BGP = messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that advertised messages = always reach intended receivers. Thus discussion of REQUEST message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out of = the scope of this document." Some parsing issues. The text seems to self contradict: - "a re-signaling is required" - "Since BGP messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that = advertised messages always reach intended receivers." =20 m30) "There are well-defined recommendations that exist for traffic class = mapping between two technologies. " =20 Please provides references. =20 m31) "AS2 can advertise the same or a subset of that SLA to AS3 in the = context of tunnel's ip address." Which tunnel are you refering to? =20 Nits: N1) ID Nits reports 1 error (Obsolete normative reference) N2) In a BGP context, "AS" stands for "Autonomous System" and not = "Automated System" N3) =20 " +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | ~ Traffic Class Elements count/values ~ | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = " =20 I feel that the figure could be updated to more accurately represent = both fields (length). Something like =20 =09 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Traffic Count| Traffic Class values | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ~ | | ~ ~ | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ N4) In general for all figures, it's easier if the name of the legend / = descriptive paragraph match the name in the figure. e.g. =20 "Class Desc Len" in figure versus "Traffic Class Descr Length" in the = legend "Advertiser id TLVs" in figure versus "Optional Advertiser id = TLV" in the legend "Event" in figure versus "SLA Event Type" in the = legend ... =09 N5) =09 "IPFIX IANA registry is "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" " May be added to the reference section. N6) There is a mix of usage of "octet" and "byte". For consistency, only = one should be chosen ("octet" IMHO) N7)[CPP] I-D.boucadair-connectivity-provisioning-profile" why not citing RFC 7297 instead? 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charset=utf-8 =20 > On May 31, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities. These drafts can be = found at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities/ = > = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communiti= es/ = > =20 > Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, Shane Amante, Bruno = Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) should indicate whether = they know of any IPR. Since this proposal relates to existing RFCs and = IDR WG document (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07), = We have included a bit of history below. At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 = =E2=80=93 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology = and time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk. I am not aware of any IPR that applies to these drafts. > Please discuss =20 > a) If these drafts should be adopted in addition to = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07, > b) whether the new flexible format is useful for BGP = deployments, and > c) Any technical issues on the draft. > =20 > As always, indicate =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno = support=E2=80=9D within the comment. As a co-author, I support these docs becoming WG docs. -shane > Sue Hares and John Scudder > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > A bit of history: > =20 > RFC 1997 defines the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved = ranges) > as 4 octets [2 octets AS number, 2 octets local-defined value].=20 > RFC 4893 introduced 4 byte AS encoding, and suggested using > extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet AS numbers. > =20 > RFC5668 defines a format for a four-octet AS specific extended > community with a designated type field, and defines two > sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended community and > Four-octet specific Route Origin extended community.=20 > An IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07 > = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subty= pe-07 = ) > specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS specific extended = community. > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 0x02 or 0x42 | 0x04 | Global | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Administrator | Local Administrator | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > =20 > Global Administrator sub-field: 4 octets > This sub-field contains a four-octet Autonomous System number. > =20 > Local Administrator sub-field: 2 octets > This sub-field contains a value that can influence routing > policies. This value has semantics that are of significance for > the Autonomous System in the Global Administrator field. > =20 > [=46rom draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07] > =20 > Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP Path Attribute, > that provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft. > =20 > The wide BGP header includes a Container header and community. > The container header has: > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Flags | Hop Count | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Registered/Local Community Value | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Source AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Context AS Number | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Exclude Target(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Wide Community Parameter(s) TLV (optional) | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Figure 4: Wide BGP Community Type 1 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail=_8743D243-C166-49CC-92F4-6CDFF9D02350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8  
On May 31, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Susan Hares = <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities and = draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities.   These drafts = can be found at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communit= ies/
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bg= p-communities/
 
Authors (Robert Raszuk, Jeff Haas, Andrew Lange, = Shane Amante, Bruno Decraene, Paul Jakma, and Richard Steenbergen) = should indicate whether they know of any IPR.   Since this = proposal relates to existing RFCs and IDR WG document = (draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07),  We have = included a bit of history below.  At the 6/1/2015 interim (10:00 = =E2=80=93 11:30am EDT), there will be a short review of the technology = and time to discuss the draft with Robert Raszuk. =

I am not = aware of any IPR that applies to these drafts.


Please discuss =  

a)      =  If these drafts should be adopted in = addition to draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07,

b)      =  whether the new flexible format is = useful for BGP deployments, and

c)       = Any technical issues on the draft.

 
As always, = indicate =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D = within the comment.

As a co-author, I support these docs becoming WG = docs.

-shane


Sue Hares and John = Scudder
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
A bit of history:
 
RFC 1997 defines = the BGP Community attribute (except for 2 reserved ranges)
as 4 octets [2 octets AS = number, 2 octets local-defined value]. 
RFC 4893 introduced 4 = byte AS encoding, and suggested using
extended communities [RFC 4360] to encoding 4 octet = AS numbers.
 
RFC5668 defines a = format for a four-octet AS specific extended
community with a = designated type field, and defines two
sub-types: Four-octet specific Route Target extended = community and
Four-octet specific Route Origin extended = community. 
An = IDR WG document: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-gen= eric-subtype-07)
specifies a generic sub-type for the four-octet AS = specific extended community.
 
    0       &n=
bsp;           =
1            &=
nbsp;      =
2            &=
nbsp;      3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 =
8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
    | 0x02 or 0x42  =
|     0x04      =
|           =
Global           &n=
bsp;  |
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
    |    =
Administrator          &=
nbsp;   |    Local =
Administrator        |
  =
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+
 
   Global Administrator sub-field: 4 =
octets
   This sub-field contains a four-octet =
Autonomous System number.
 
   Local Administrator sub-field: 2 =
octets
      This sub-field contains =
a value that can influence routing
      policies. This value has =
semantics that are of significance for
      the Autonomous System in the =
Global Administrator field.
 
[=46rom = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-07]
 
Draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities suggests a new BGP = Path Attribute,
that = provides more flexible encoding than these WG RFCs and draft.
 
The wide BGP = header includes a Container header and community.
The container header = has:
 
      = 0            &= nbsp;      = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 = 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |             = Type           &nbs= p;  |     Flags     = |   Hop Count   |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            = Length           &n= bsp; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
=
      0    &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  = 1            &= nbsp;      = 2            &= nbsp;      3
      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 = 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;  Registered/Local Community = Value           &nb= sp;    |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;           Source = AS = Number           &n= bsp;           |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            &= nbsp;          Context AS = Number           &n= bsp;           |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |            Wide = Community Target(s) TLV = (optional)          &nbs= p; |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |        Wide Community Exclude = Target(s) TLV (optional)        |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     = |          Wide Community = Parameter(s) TLV = (optional)           = |
     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
          &nb= sp;         Figure 4: Wide BGP = Community Type 1
 
 
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_8743D243-C166-49CC-92F4-6CDFF9D02350-- From nobody Tue Jun 23 02:21:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD691AC3B8; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 02:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJqkkfJ9gEYh; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cappuccino.rob.sh (cappuccino.rob.sh [IPv6:2a03:9800:10:4c::cafe:b00c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7D51AC3B7; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 02:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [109.144.200.175] (helo=corretto.local) by cappuccino.rob.sh with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7KOi-000633-Tx; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 10:21:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 10:21:45 +0100 From: Rob Shakir To: Susan Hares , idr@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> References: <00e101d0a76c$5718e420$054aac60$@ndzh.com> X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="55892529_3ba12d88_d1c6" Archived-At: Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:21:53 -0000 --55892529_3ba12d88_d1c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 15 June 2015 at 14:08:31, Susan Hares (shares=40ndzh.com) wrote: This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.t= xt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29).=C2=A0 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and oth= er draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg).=C2=A0 Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. =C2=A0 Sue, As a co-author of this draft, I support its adoption. Regards the comments relating to ensuring that this model is in GitHub. I= t has been mastered in GitHub for some time (OpenConfig repository, and c= orresponding directory in the netmod repo). We=E2=80=99ll aim to continue= to master in GitHub - and would very much encourage feedback in terms of= patches and/or pull-requests against this code. Best, r. --55892529_3ba12d88_d1c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 15 June 2015 at 14:08:31, Susan Hares (shares=40ndzh.com) wrote:
<=21--=5Bif gte mso 9=5D> <=21=5Bendif=5D--><=21--=5Bif gte mso 9=5D> <=21=5Bendif=5D-->

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 =E2=80=93 6/29). 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaik= h-idr-bgp-model/

This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). 

Please review this yang modules and comment on= it on the list.  

Sue,

As a co-author of this draft, I support its adoption.

Regards the comments relating to ensuring that this model is in GitHub= . It has been mastered in GitHub for some time (OpenConfig repository, an= d corresponding directory in the netmod repo). We=E2=80=99ll aim to conti= nue to master in GitHub - and would very much encourage feedback in terms= of patches and/or pull-requests against this code.

Best, r.

--55892529_3ba12d88_d1c6-- From nobody Tue Jun 23 22:54:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0C81B29C2; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnjRKZXvL32F; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE931B29D5; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:54:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150624055452.4027.96465.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:54:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-07.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:54:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Extensions for Route Target Distribution Authors : Keyur Patel Robert Raszuk Martin Djernaes Jie Dong Mach(Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-07.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2015-06-23 Abstract: The current route target distribution specification as described in [RFC 4684] defines Route Target NLRIs of maximum length of 12 bytes. The IPv6 specific Route Target extended community is defined in [RFC 5701] as length of 20 bytes. Since the current specification only supports prefixes of maximum length of 12 bytes, the lack of an IPv6 specific Route Target reachability information may be a problem when an operator wants to use this application in a pure IPv6 environment. This document defines an extension that allows BGP to exchange longer length IPv6 Route Target prefixes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jun 24 17:56:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552F1A01A9 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0xLgXxwvb6oz for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 200741A01F7 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.187.115; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 20:55:58 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01d0aee1$b6065f90$22131eb0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01D0AEC0.2EF582E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCu1R74bwQNrwfBQu+2ELVuxIA5Nw== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org, robert@raszuk.net Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:56:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01D0AEC0.2EF582E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDR WG: My apologies for the delay in announcing the results of this adoption call 10 days late (6/24). The two drafts have been adopted by the IDR WG: draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities The authors should submit these as: draft-ietf-wide-bgp-communities draft-ietf-registered-wide-bgp-communities The comments during this adoption call encouraged the authors of these drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a discussion of the simplification of the grammar. Authors should see the additional instructions below. Sue Hares New instructions for Authors: ======================= The current IESG has requested that implementation reports be placed on a wiki instead of an internet draft for protocol drafts. In order to speed up the process of collecting this information, a web page has been created on the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation reports, and suggestions for your draft. Please add your comments on open issues and implementations http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communit ies A second web page has been created for the administrative draft: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp -communities Please put testimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on this page. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01D0AEC0.2EF582E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IDR WG: =

 

My apologies for the delay in announcing the results = of this adoption call 10 days late (6/24).  The two drafts have = been adopted by the IDR WG:

 

draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities

draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities=

 

The = authors should submit these as:

draft-ietf-wide-bgp-communities

draft-ietf-registered-wide-bgp-communities =

 

The comments during this adoption call encouraged the = authors of these drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a = discussion of the simplification of the grammar. =   

 

Authors should see the additional instructions = below.

 

Sue Hares

 

 

New = instructions for Authors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

The current IESG has = requested that implementation reports be placed on a wiki instead of an = internet draft for protocol drafts.  In order to speed up the = process of collecting this information, a web page has been created on = the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation reports, and = suggestions for your draft.   Please add your comments on open = issues and implementations

 

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-id= r-wide-bgp-communities

 

A second web = page has been created for the administrative draft:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draf= t-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities

 

Please put = testimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on this page. =

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_006D_01D0AEC0.2EF582E0-- From nobody Thu Jun 25 00:27:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682441B30C8; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIZH8PZea5Y6; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866CD1B30D2; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:27:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150625072706.28141.96695.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:27:06 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:27:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensions to RT-Constrain in Hierarchical Route Reflection Scenarios Authors : Jie Dong Mach(Guoyi) Chen Robert Raszuk Filename : draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2015-06-25 Abstract: The Route Target (RT) Constrain mechanism specified in RFC 4684 is used to build a route distribution graph in order to restrict the propagation of Virtual Private Network (VPN) routes. In network scenarios where hierarchical route reflection (RR) is used, the existing RT-Constrain mechanism cannot build a correct route distribution graph. This document describes the problem scenario and proposes a solution to address the RT-Constrain issue in hierarchical RR scenarios. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-rtc-hierarchical-rr-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 25 02:52:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F28F1B34F4 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lbi4iBH8g6tg for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BBEB1B34F3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so70447547wib.1 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=j4wbmEDYEbai47h6E0A45gJQp+JKCH104P2g8BSWXJE=; b=eGgyxFtpWf5akw2GQXSM2DXwiX+LBGkwhfe23w1NWu8Bi98BWUKtAFjI0QSBaC84IF k+vHsk/Aw1Im6MPudX4kLtYhZvhAjNV9CdxX6w46vwJQHYcomKwM/iDECsiWtVe+Mn9i 80mXsBL7MWQwEpZKLrru7erN8JuedAcLJTOecsMv0Z+SDn+lRT7FKWG620lRlHUgyUyH DUrM7PLnZChKrZ9tXByfNZNZ570yLblMuGn1LUjIfxCBRSAN0Yx7q29lunN6GW+kUpBy aHHhATXkct+c4J47HdioArb50tUzGkXXz7in9IISmmBWrZ2lZJ/+5POi1BDkg2RQBt9f pOLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.206.84 with SMTP id lm20mr4050082wic.48.1435225939427; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.45.88 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:52:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006c01d0aee1$b6065f90$22131eb0$@ndzh.com> References: <006c01d0aee1$b6065f90$22131eb0$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:52:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hIpX0YAvf2B6JNb90RfexmESr08 Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2664c4ac97905195494ca Archived-At: Cc: idr wg , "draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:52:22 -0000 --001a11c2664c4ac97905195494ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sue, Thank you very much for following that. Would you permit to adjust the name of new drafts to include -idr- so the IETF procedures are happy with new draft names as well as WG will get auto notification about each new rev? When I originally proposed those documents IETF draft naming conventions were not yet in place. Thank you very much, Robert On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Susan Hares wrote: > IDR WG: > > > > My apologies for the delay in announcing the results of this adoption call > 10 days late (6/24). The two drafts have been adopted by the IDR WG: > > > > draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities > > draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities > > > > The authors should submit these as: > > draft-ietf-wide-bgp-communities > > draft-ietf-registered-wide-bgp-communities > > > > The comments during this adoption call encouraged the authors of these > drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a discussion of the > simplification of the grammar. > > > > Authors should see the additional instructions below. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > New instructions for Authors: > > ======================= > > The current IESG has requested that implementation reports be placed on a > wiki instead of an internet draft for protocol drafts. In order to speed > up the process of collecting this information, a web page has been created > on the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation reports, and > suggestions for your draft. Please add your comments on open issues and > implementations > > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities > > > > A second web page has been created for the administrative draft: > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities > > > > Please put testimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on this > page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001a11c2664c4ac97905195494ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue,

Thank you very much for following that.
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Would you permit to adjust the name of new drafts=C2=A0to inc= lude =C2=A0-idr- so the IETF procedures are happy with new draft names as w= ell as WG will get auto notification about each new rev?

When I originally proposed those documents IETF draft naming convent= ions were not yet in place.

Thank you very much,
Robert


On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Susan Hares &= lt;shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

IDR WG:

=C2=A0

My apologies for the d= elay in announcing the results of this adoption call 10 days late (6/24).= =C2=A0 The two drafts have been adopted by the IDR WG:

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draft-ra= szuk-wide-bgp-communities

draft-ras= zuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities

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The authors should submit t= hese as:

draft-ietf-wide-bgp-commun= ities

draft-ietf-registered-wide-bg= p-communities

=C2=A0=

The comments during this adoption call encourage= d the authors of these drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a disc= ussion of the simplification of the grammar. =C2=A0=C2=A0

=

=C2=A0

Autho= rs should see the additional instructions below.

=C2=A0

Sue Hares<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

New instructions fo= r Authors:

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The current IESG has requested that implementation reports b= e placed on a wiki instead of an internet draft for protocol drafts.=C2=A0 = In order to speed up the process of collecting this information, a web page= has been created on the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation re= ports, and suggestions for your draft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please add your comments= on open issues and implementations

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http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bg= p-communities

=C2=A0<= /u>

A second web page has been created for the ad= ministrative draft:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/d= raft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities

=C2=A0

Please put te= stimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on this page. =

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--001a11c2664c4ac97905195494ca-- From nobody Thu Jun 25 06:41:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5A61A8894 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0GOPelE_TQ9e for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FE2E1A8884 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.187.115; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Robert Raszuk'" References: <006c01d0aee1$b6065f90$22131eb0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01d0af4c$974a5230$c5def690$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01D0AF2B.103B4A40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHEbFIMBf9ndV9wuAx7jdt+rP2EhwEf3pThnczBRKA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'idr wg' , draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:41:11 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01D0AF2B.103B4A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert: =20 Good catch. I should have said=20 draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities draft-ietf-idr-registered-wide-bgp-communities=20 I=E2=80=99ll pre-approve these documents.=20 Sue Hares =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:52 AM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr wg; draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to 6/14) =20 Sue, =20 Thank you very much for following that. =20 Would you permit to adjust the name of new drafts to include -idr- so = the IETF procedures are happy with new draft names as well as WG will = get auto notification about each new rev? =20 When I originally proposed those documents IETF draft naming conventions = were not yet in place. =20 Thank you very much, Robert On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Susan Hares wrote: IDR WG:=20 =20 My apologies for the delay in announcing the results of this adoption = call 10 days late (6/24). The two drafts have been adopted by the IDR = WG: =20 draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities draft-raszuk-registered-wide-bgp-communities =20 The authors should submit these as: draft-ietf-wide-bgp-communities draft-ietf-registered-wide-bgp-communities=20 =20 The comments during this adoption call encouraged the authors of these = drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a discussion of the = simplification of the grammar. =20 =20 Authors should see the additional instructions below. =20 Sue Hares =20 =20 New instructions for Authors:=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The current IESG has requested that implementation reports be placed on = a wiki instead of an internet draft for protocol drafts. In order to = speed up the process of collecting this information, a web page has been = created on the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation reports, = and suggestions for your draft. Please add your comments on open = issues and implementations=20 =20 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-commu= nities =20 A second web page has been created for the administrative draft:=20 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-raszuk-registered-wide-= bgp-communities =20 Please put testimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on = this page.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01D0AF2B.103B4A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Robert:

 

Good catch.=C2=A0 I should have said

draft-ietf-i= dr-wide-bgp-communities

draft-ietf-i= dr-registered-wide-bgp-communities

I=E2=80=99ll= pre-approve these documents.

Sue Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert = Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:52 AM
To: = Susan Hares
Cc: idr wg; = draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft (5/31 to = 6/14)

 

Sue,

 

Thank you very much for following = that.

 

Would you permit to adjust the name of new = drafts to include  -idr- so the IETF procedures are happy with = new draft names as well as WG will get auto notification about each new = rev?

 

When I originally proposed those documents IETF draft = naming conventions were not yet in place.

 

Thank you very much,

Robert



On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

IDR WG: =

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My = apologies for the delay in announcing the results of this adoption call = 10 days late (6/24).  The two drafts have been adopted by the IDR = WG:

 <= /o:p>

draft-raszuk= -wide-bgp-communities

draft-raszuk= -registered-wide-bgp-communities

 <= /o:p>

The authors = should submit these as:

draft-ietf-w= ide-bgp-communities

draft-ietf-r= egistered-wide-bgp-communities

 <= /o:p>

The = comments during this adoption call encouraged the authors of these = drafts need to engage the WG prior to IETF in a discussion of the = simplification of the grammar.   

 <= /o:p>

Authors = should see the additional instructions below.

 <= /o:p>

Sue = Hares

 <= /o:p>

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New = instructions for Authors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The current = IESG has requested that implementation reports be placed on a wiki = instead of an internet draft for protocol drafts.  In order to = speed up the process of collecting this information, a web page has been = created on the IDR Working Group Wiki to record implementation reports, = and suggestions for your draft.   Please add your comments on = open issues and implementations

 <= /o:p>

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-ietf-= idr-wide-bgp-communities

 <= /o:p>

A second = web page has been created for the administrative draft: =

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/draft-raszu= k-registered-wide-bgp-communities

 <= /o:p>

Please put = testimonials on why this administrative draft is needed on this page. =

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

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Message-ID: <00ed01d0af67$6ae9bda0$40bd38e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIM9WM88S1yuXJvv2o0F/ow4GZjKwE/MIRoAXuUqcedLwu6sA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, 'idr wg' , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:53:17 -0000 Bruno:=20 Thank you for the excellent comments. I recalled your comments at the = 2012 IETF. This draft needs to be considered in a focuses usage of 2 = peers. All other assumptions need to be carefully reworked. =20 I will have the authors expand the Deployment considerations to consider = the pros/cons of netconf, I2RS, and BGP-flowspec. I agree that the QoS = consideration is only part of the consideration for this draft.=20 Once the authors have completed their revisions to my satisfaction, this = draft will be resent to the IDR list for approval. As part of that = second approval process, I would like to summarize your concerns for = the IDR list. Would you point out which of your messages or = presentations should be considered in that discussion?=20 Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:29 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'idr wg'; 'Shitanshu Shah (svshah)'; = rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 Hi Susan, > From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > Sent: Monday, June 22,=20 > 2015 3:26 PM >=20 > Bruno: >=20 > I would like to separate the readability of the draft, the details of = the SLAs, and > the passing of SLA information. I will work with the authors on the = readability > of the draft and the SLA specification below. I will work with the=20 > authors until they address these questions. Excellent. Thanks. =20 > However, I want to address up-front passing the SLA information. I = agree that > netconf/yang or I2RS could pass the SLA information. However, this = set of > peers want to pass SLA in BGP. After we have accepted passing = link-state > information in BGP between a set of peers, are you concerned about=20 > passing SLA information? The SLA information is also sent between a = few peers. A priori, as of today, I would feel that Netconf looks like a more = suitable protocol to configure QoS parameters on nodes (assuming that = the IETF specify a YANG module for this), especially for the Point to = point case (4.1.1. SLA Advertisement for Point-to-Point Connection). In theory, BGP may be interesting to propagate the QoS parameters along = all the BGP speakers on the path (4.1.2. SLA Advertisement for = Destination AS Multiple Hops Away). However: - I don't have enough knowledge on QoS to evaluate on how much it makes = sense to configure the same QoS parameters on all the nodes of the MP2P = trees set up by BGP (especially since this document advertise some L2 = specific information while the L2 may be different along the path) - The uses cases described in "7. Deployment Considerations" seems to = only use QoS configuration on a point to point way - Possibly, using BGP flowspec may have been an interesting option to = consider =20 However, you are right that the IDR WG has taken this work item, so the = comment is probably way too late for BGP. And at that time (I remember = having discussed this draft in Paris (2012)) Netconf was less mature or = spread across the IETF. The question may still be valid for others = routing protocols as the main use case indicated is "Provider to = advertise contracted SLA parameters to Customer Edge (CE)", and BGP may = not be the only protocol used in this use case. > If this is the issue, I would like to have a discussion of your = concerns on the IDR mail list. Note that IDR is in copy of my comments. Bruno >=20 > Sue >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 > bruno.decraene@orange.com > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 9:29 AM > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-sla-=20 > exchange.all@tools.ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; idr wg > Subject: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this=20 > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or=20 > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG=20 > review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is = > to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about=20 > the Routing Directorate, please see=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >=20 > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs,=20 > it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other=20 > IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them=20 > through discussion or by updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 > Reviewer: Bruno Decraene > Review Date: 22/05/2015 > IETF LC End Date: 02/03/2015 > Intended Status: Standards Track >=20 > Summary: I have significant concerns about this document and=20 > recommend that the Routing ADs discuss these issues further with the = authors. >=20 > (Or the chairs as I see that this document has not yet been passed to=20 > the ADs) >=20 > Comments: > In general, the readability of the document is acceptable but could be = > improved, both from a language and technical precision point of view. > (examples below). > However, there are some normative parts of this Standard Track=20 > specification that I could not understand. >=20 > Major: > M1) The Introduction states > "In a multi-vendor network, translating SLAs into technology-specific=20 > and vendor-specific configuration requires to consider specificities=20 > of each vendor. > There does not exist any standard protocol to translate SLA agreements = > into technical clauses and configurations and thus both the steps of=20 > out of band learning of negotiated SLA and provisioning them in a=20 > vendor specific language can be complex and error-prone." >=20 > - I guess some would use NETCONF/YANG to address this. It could be=20 > questioned why BGP has been preferred. Especially since: > - in the VPN context (using a lot of QoS and the uses cases described = > in the document) many customer connections use static routing rather=20 > than eBGP. Hence this specification would not be enough to distribute=20 > SLA and would require another protocol. > - QoS is only one part of the configuration effort. Why using=20 > different protocols to configure different aspects? >=20 > - This may be related to draft-l3vpn-service-yang and the L3VPN=20 > Service Model WG (l3sm). May be some form of coordination would be = beneficial. >=20 > M2)"The exception is where a BGP speaker, in the middle of an update=20 > path to the destination AS, aggregates prefixes. We will refer this=20 > middle BGP speaker, that aggregates routes, as an Aggregator.=20 > Aggregator is then required to insert original NLRI details in the = optional advertiser field" >=20 > If you refer to the use of AS_SET, RFC6472 recommends against the use=20 > of AS_SET. So, I'm not sure that there is a need to add complexity in=20 > this specification in order to handle route aggregation. > If removed, "section 5.3 Aggregator" may also be removed. >=20 > M4) > "Traffic Class Description > Ascii Description of the Traffic Class" >=20 > Should it be UTF-8? >=20 > M5) SLA definition > It would be good to define what a SLA is. Especially since this whole = > goal of the draft is to advertise SLA in BGP. Citing an individual=20 > draft [CPP] is not enough to have an agreed on definition, especially = for a STD track RFC. > Since QoS is not new in the IETF, there is probably a document=20 > defining it (or using a more popular terminology). > Looking in google, I don't really see matches for "IETF SLA" (outside=20 > of documents written by the authors). > Wikipedia seems to give a quite different definition, much wider than=20 > diffserv specific parameters which seems to be the main point of this = BGP attribute: > "A service-level agreement (SLA) is a part of a service=20 > contract[disambiguation needed] where a service is formally defined.=20 > Particular aspects of the service > - scope, quality, responsibilities - are agreed between the service=20 > provider and the service user. A common feature of an SLA is a=20 > contracted delivery time (of the service or performance). As an=20 > example, Internet service providers and telcos will commonly include=20 > service level agreements within the terms of their contracts with=20 > customers to define the level(s) of service being sold in plain=20 > language terms. In this case the SLA will typically have a technical=20 > definition in terms of mean time between failures (MTBF), mean time to = > repair or mean time to recovery (MTTR); identifying which party is=20 > responsible for reporting faults or paying fees; responsibility for = various data rates; throughput; jitter; or similar measurable details.." >=20 > M6) > " Traffic Class Service (optional), > 16-bit =3D type of the field > variable-length =3D based on type of the service" >=20 > Please specify the content of the "variable-length" field. > If it only contains the Data Type of the IPFIX Information Elements,=20 > I'm not sure how the encoding supports, on the receiving side, the=20 > skipping of unknown ElementID. > Given that I also don't see an end to end negotiation channel for the=20 > BGP speaker to known the capabilities of the BGP receiver, I don't see = > how the specification will support the introduction of new Traffic=20 > Class Services in the future. >=20 > M7) NLRI > I don't see the relation between the QoS attribute and the NLRI. > - Is the QoS attribute only applicable to the NLRI advertised? If so=20 > what is the relation with destinationIP* advertised in the classifier=20 > Element? Should they be restricted to more specifics of the advertised = NLRI? > - Also the QoS attribute may instruct "to drop entire BGP update=20 > message [Note that it is an indication to drop entire update message,=20 > not only QoS attribute]". This means that the NLRI will not be=20 > propagated, hence routed, anymore, which seems strange. To preserve=20 > routing of the NLRI, do the QoS attribute require to advertise a less=20 > specific prefix (with no QoS attribute) in addition? Or to use=20 > ADD_PATH to advertise the NLRI multiple times (with & without the QoS = attribute). >=20 > Possibly same question for the relation between the QoS attribute and=20 > the AFI/SAFI of the BGP UPDATE. Is the QoS attribute to be understood=20 > in the context of the AFI/SAFI or not? e.g. if the classifier element=20 > is the ipDiffServCodePoint does it match all protocols or only the one = > of the AFI/SAFI? >=20 > M8) Error handling > Current text says that error handling MAY use attribute discard or MAY = > use treat as withdraw. > This seems underspecified as one implementation would be free to do=20 > nothing, while another could do session reset. This would open many=20 > BGP session reset in real networks. > Please specific what must be done. > Besides, other part of the document provides some more=20 > specific/different error handling. e.g. "If there are more than one=20 > such Traffic Classes present then advertised SLA parameters MUST be = ignored." > Finally, the spec needs to define when the new attribute is considered = > malformed. > On an editorial note, I would prefer a dedicate section related to=20 > error handling. >=20 > M9) security consideration may require some discussion. > "There is a potential for mis-behaved AS to advertise wrong SLA,=20 > stealing identity of another AS." > Agreed. But there are probably other attack vectors (e.g. modifying=20 > the attribute during propagation, setting parameters to instruct BGP=20 > to drop the message (as this seems alllowed by the specification)...) >=20 > "This resembles to problems already identified and resolved, in the=20 > routing world, thru reverse path forwarding check." > "Resembles" is not enough. "Resolved" is probably a bit quick. >=20 > "One proposal, inline to RPF, to resolve such threats is to have each=20 > BGP speaker node, in the forwarding path, perform reverse path check=20 > on source AS." > If this is a specification, it should be described in the document=20 > (quickly citing it in the security section is not enough). > It's also a bit short in term of specification. e.g. I don't see=20 > "source AS" in the forwarding path (neither in the packet nor in the=20 > FIB) >=20 > "Since we expect these messages to originate and distributed in the=20 > managed network, there should not be any risks for identity theft." > If you restrict the use of this specification/ATTRIBUTE in "managed=20 > network", this needs to be clarified from the beginning (and not at=20 > this very end of the document), and the specification should take=20 > measure to ensure that this attribute is not received from/leaked = outside of this "managed network". > Defining "managed network" may also help, especially since the=20 > proposition involves multiple ASes and multiple organisations. > (otherwise, you need to handle the case when this attribute is used=20 > outside of "managed network" and therefore consider the security=20 > implications) >=20 > M10) IANA section is under specified. > e.g. you should: > - states the name of the registry that you want to create or update. > - states the name of the new entries in existing registries. > - define all your new registries. (e.g. you don't have ones for new=20 > QoS TLV subtypes (defined in =C2=A73.1), Optional Advertised id TLV, = SLA=20 > event Type...) > - define the registration policy of those new registries. >=20 > Reading RFC5226 may help. >=20 >=20 > Minor (some not so minor): > m1) From an editorial standpoint, the document may benefit from an=20 > english language review. > - Some sentences are hard to parse (at least for me). e.g. "The need = > to exchange SLA parameters between domains (Automated Systems (AS)),=20 > where in use-cases described in this document, BGP is a suitable=20 > protocol for inter-domain exchange [RFC4271][RFC4364]. > - Adding a full point "." at the end of each sentence may help the = parsing. > - IMHO some sentences could be rewritten to improve readability. = e.g. > OLD: > highest order bit (bit 0) - > It defines if update message MUST be dropped (if set to 1) > without updating routing information base, when this is = the > last BGP receiver from the list of destination ASes this > attribute is announced to, or MUST announce (if set to 0) > further to BGP peers > NEW > highest order bit (bit 0) - > This flags defines how update message must be handled by the last=20 > BGP receiver in the list of destination ASes. > If set (1) update message MUST be dropped without updating = > routing information base. > If cleared (0) update message MUST be further advertised to BGP=20 > peers. >=20 > On a side note, at this point in the document, it's not crystal=20 > clear what you mean by "update message". The QoS Attribute TLV? The = QoS BGP attribute? > The BGP UPDATE message? In general, in the document, please use the=20 > protocols names of the messages/fields. > - "SLA sub-type specific value field details." I guess you mean=20 > :s/specific/specifies. >=20 > m2) > OLD: Remaining bits are currently unused and MUST be set to 0 > NEW: The lower-order seven bits of the Attribute Flags octet are = unused. > They MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored when received. > (Proposed text is a copy/past from RFC 4271. You are free to use=20 > another text but please specify the behaviour on the receiving side as = > we have seen BGP session reset in the Internet which a much clearer=20 > sentence.) >=20 > m3) That's not specific to this document, but I would find useful to=20 > have the related implementation report draft be referenced in the=20 > informative reference section. >=20 > m4) "sub type Length" Please specify exactly what part of the message=20 > is covered by the length (as some IETF spec use the length of the=20 > value field, while some other use the length of the type+length+value = fields. >=20 > m5) "32-bit source AS (Advertiser)" The word "advertiser" may be = misleading. > (cf draft-hares-idr-update-attrib-low-bits-fix). RFC 4271 uses=20 > "Originating speaker" (SIDR seems also to use "Origin". > Multiple occurrences in the draft. >=20 > m6) "0 =3D ignore Source and Destination AS list from this Value = field. > Instead refer to Source and Destination AS as defined by = BGP > message" > I'm not sure what is meant by the second sentence. Please use the=20 > specific names of BGP messages and fields. >=20 > m7) "format of the SLA message" > Giving names and number to figures could be considered. > So does adding the memory axis: > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >=20 >=20 > m8) > " Optional advertiser id total len > 16-bit Source address identifier (optional)." >=20 > I read this as the field "Optional advertiser id total len" contains a = > 16-bit Source address identifier. > While this field probably contain the length of "something". Please=20 > check/clarify. >=20 > m9) > "Optional Advertiser id TLV > 4-bit type" >=20 > You need to specify the size of the "Length" field. Especially since=20 > you introduce a somewhat unusual size of the "Type field" and some=20 > people may assume that the size of the "length" field is of the same=20 > size (4-bit), while some others may believe its the usual 1-octet. >=20 > m10)" Destination AS count > 32-bit destination AS count to take variable length AS list." > I guess you mean: > number of destination ASes > This field indicates the number of destination AS present in the=20 > Destination AS list >=20 > m11) "SLA Id" > The text under "SLA Id" mixes text related to "SLA Id " and text=20 > related to "Content". Please split the text. >=20 > m12) I don't see a description of the filed "Content as per SLA Event" >=20 > m13) " SLA Length > 12-bits" > Please specify what is covered/measured by this length field. >=20 > m14) > " Direction > 0x1 =3D incoming, from destination AS towards source AS > 0x2 =3D outgoing, from source AS towards destination AS" > I find the terms "incoming" and "outcoming" a bit misleading. e.g. > the direction "from source AS towards destination AS" seems to be: > - outgoing in the source AS > - ingoing in the destination AS >=20 > m15) "Traffic Class Descr Length > 08-bit, size of the length" > proposition :s/size of the length/ length of XXX >=20 > m16) In section 3, I don't see the specification of the REQUEST SLA = even type. > At the end of the document, it's said that "discussion of REQUEST=20 > message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out of=20 > the scope of this document." In which case, you should probably not=20 > specify a REQUEST SLA even type. >=20 > m19) > "Given IPFIX [RFC5102] has well defined identifier set for a large=20 > number of packet attributes, IPFIX IANA registry is=20 > "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" chosen to specify packet=20 > classification attributes." > Sentence is hard to parse, which is an issue for a normative part. > The reference should probably be listed in the reference section. >=20 > "However, since not all identifiers from IPFIX would be applicable to=20 > this proposal, only a limited set identified here can be supported by=20 > BGP SLA exchange. Any new element identifier, in future, added to the=20 > IPFIX IANA registry does not automatically mean supported for this = proposal." >=20 > - This probably calls for a IANA registry to identify which element=20 > identifier can be used. > - Text should clarify that the list of accepted identifiers is defined = > in the subsequent list (having no name and no number). >=20 > m20) section 3 is hard to read. > - IMO the document/section 3 would benefit from an section presenting=20 > an overview of the solution > - section 3 have a single subsection (3.1) hence the interest of using = > subsection is limited. Given the size of section 3 (10 pages), to=20 > improve readability I would suggest the use of multiples subsection. >=20 > m21) > "The minimum policed unit (m) and maximum packet size (M) > parameters have no relevance for the purpose of SLA exchange. > Thus they MUST be ignored." >=20 > Why specifying and sending such parameters in BGP if they MUST be=20 > ignored by the receiver? >=20 > m22) > " This rate indicates the minimum rate, measured in bytes of Layer 2=20 > (L2) datagrams per second," > I'm not sure why the Layer 2 size is used rather than the layer 3=20 > size. As a consequence, you need to send additional information=20 > (L2_OVERHEAD) which may be not needed otherwise. > Draft cites RFC 2212 as the source of this TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC=20 > parameter, and RFC 2212 use the IP datagram size. >=20 > m23) > "4. Originating SLA Notification >=20 > The QoS attribute to advertise SLA sub-type MUST be added by the > originator of a BGP UPDATE message." >=20 > I guess you don't mean that advertising this new attribute is=20 > mandatory. So please rephrase (e.g. at least :s/MUST/MAY) >=20 > m24) " If a BGP node is capable of processing QoS attribute, it=20 > optionally MAY process the message." > What message? The BGP UPDATE? >=20 > m25) "BGP node MUST drop SLA related sub-type from the QoS = attribute, if > none of the AS from the destination list is in the forwarding = path." >=20 > There is no AS in the forwarding path. Please rephrase. >=20 > m26) "5.2. BGP Node not Capable of Processing QoS Attribute >=20 > If the BGP node is not capable of processing QoS attribute, it MUST > forward the QoS attribute message unaltered." >=20 > This section is completely useless. It should either be removed or at=20 > the minimum should not specify a behavior. e.g. > OLD: it MUST forward > NEW: as per RFC4271, it will >=20 > or should define what is meant by "processing QoS attribute". (my=20 > reading is "does not recognize") >=20 > m27) "If advertised QoS Attribute, inside an update message, is with a = > flag set indicating to drop that message, a receiver MUST drop message = > if it is the last receiver, in update path, that message is advertised = to." > This is not extremely clear. Especially for a "MUST" behavior. Please=20 > rephrase using the protocols names of the messages/fields. >=20 > m28)"If the advertised SLA is from the next hop, in the reverse path,=20 > the receiver may implement advertised SLA for the whole link, the link = > could be physical or virtual link, associated with the next hop. " >=20 > I don't understand. Please rephrase. (e.g. which next-hop?, reverse=20 > path of > what?) >=20 > "If NLRI advertised in update message is not of the next hop," > I don't understand. Please rephrase. >=20 > m29) > "For cases where if earlier messages have not reached the intended=20 > receiver yet, a re-signaling is required. A receiver may intend to=20 > request an SLA message from the originator in such case. Since BGP=20 > messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that advertised=20 > messages always reach intended receivers. Thus discussion of REQUEST > message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out=20 > of the scope of this document." > Some parsing issues. > The text seems to self contradict: > - "a re-signaling is required" > - "Since BGP messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that=20 > advertised messages always reach intended receivers." >=20 > m30) > "There are well-defined recommendations that exist for traffic=20 > class mapping between two technologies. " >=20 > Please provides references. >=20 > m31) > "AS2 can advertise the same or a subset of that SLA to AS3 in the=20 > context of tunnel's ip address." > Which tunnel are you refering to? >=20 >=20 > Nits: > N1) ID Nits reports 1 error (Obsolete normative reference) > N2) In a BGP context, "AS" stands for "Autonomous System" and not=20 > "Automated System" > N3) > " = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | = | > ~ Traffic Class Elements count/values = ~ > | = | > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ " >=20 > I feel that the figure could be updated to more accurately represent = both > fields (length). Something like >=20 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Traffic Count| Traffic Class values = | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = ~ > | = | > ~ = ~ > | = | > =20 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > N4) In general for all figures, it's easier if the name of the legend=20 > / descriptive paragraph match the name in the figure. > e.g. > "Class Desc Len" in figure versus "Traffic Class Descr Length" in the=20 > legend "Advertiser id TLVs" in figure versus "Optional Advertiser id=20 > TLV" in the legend "Event" in figure versus "SLA Event Type" in the = legend ... >=20 > N5) > "IPFIX IANA registry is "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" " > May be added to the reference section. >=20 > N6) There is a mix of usage of "octet" and "byte". For consistency,=20 > only one should be chosen ("octet" IMHO) >=20 > N7)[CPP] I-D.boucadair-connectivity-provisioning-profile" > why not citing RFC 7297 instead? >=20 >=20 > Regards, > Bruno >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > _ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations=20 > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses,=20 > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message=20 > par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi=20 > que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles=20 > d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete = altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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From nobody Thu Jun 25 09:55:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085CC1A9135; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsxbc49ya5-y; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28CDD1A9131; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.187.115; From: "Susan Hares" To: , "'Shitanshu Shah \(svshah\)'" References: <4043_1435249890_558C2CE2_4043_1251_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5C7CC5@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <4043_1435249890_558C2CE2_4043_1251_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F5C7CC5@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00ef01d0af67$b3a80650$1af812f0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFwYblDVgVUWDQsWLC/OrY1APb1iwFNKAHjnnOiUZA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, 'idr wg' Subject: Re: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:55:18 -0000 Shitanshu:=20 I understand Bruno's concerns. =20 Let's work together to address them. Please send me your revised draft = (off-list), and we'll work to address Bruno's concerns. After we've = converged on a revised draft, we'll send it back to Bruno. =20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:31 PM To: Shitanshu Shah (svshah) Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; idr wg; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 Hi Shitanshu, Thanks for the answers. Please see inline. [Bruno] As a high level summary: - A revised draft is needed, especially since some answers are "will be = addressed in next revision".=20 - The mandatory point to be addressed is the BGP error handling of this = new attribute. (should be easy to fix but must be fixed) (M8) - There may also be a point about "dropping the message" which is not = yet clear to me. I'll wait for the next revision (M7) - I won't follow up on whether BGP or netconf is the right protocol to = configure QoS related parameters. This is way above my reviewer hat. I = would just like the document to state its non-applicability to BGP/MPLS = VPN providers using static routing between PE & CE, as this may avoid = wrong expectations. "7. Deployment Considerations" seems the right = place for this. - All others points are expected to be addressed in the next revision. Bruno > From: Shitanshu Shah (svshah) [mailto:svshah@cisco.com] > Sent:=20 > Monday, June 15, 2015 9:10 PM >=20 >=20 > Sorry for the long delay. have been on vacation.. >=20 > Many thanks Bruno for the detailed review and comments/suggestions.. > Please find response inline ##svshah >=20 >=20 > On 5/22/15, 6:29 AM, "bruno.decraene@orange.com" > wrote: >=20 > >Hello, > > > >I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. > >The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or=20 > >routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG=20 > >review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review=20 > >is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information=20 > >about the Routing Directorate, please see=20 > >=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > >Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, = > >it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other=20 > >IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them=20 > >through discussion or by updating the draft. > > > >Document: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 > >Reviewer: Bruno Decraene > >Review Date: 22/05/2015 > >IETF LC End Date: 02/03/2015 > >Intended Status: Standards Track > > > >Summary: I have significant concerns about this document and=20 > >recommend that the Routing ADs discuss these issues further with the = authors. > > > >(Or the chairs as I see that this document has not yet been passed to = > >the > >ADs) > > > >Comments: > >In general, the readability of the document is acceptable but could=20 > >be improved, both from a language and technical precision point of = view. > >(examples below). > >However, there are some normative parts of this Standard Track=20 > >specification that I could not understand. > > > >Major: > >M1) The Introduction states > >"In a multi-vendor network, translating SLAs into technology-specific = > >and vendor-specific configuration requires to consider specificities=20 > >of each vendor. > >There does not exist any standard protocol to translate SLA=20 > >agreements into technical clauses and configurations and thus both=20 > >the steps of out of band learning of negotiated SLA and provisioning=20 > >them in a vendor specific language can be complex and error-prone." > > > >- I guess some would use NETCONF/YANG to address this. It could be=20 > >questioned why BGP has been preferred. >=20 > ##svshah, there are multiple aspects to it. Today provider providing=20 > negotiated SLA already has it provisioned in some form of a policy to=20 > enforce the contracted traffic. one would simply leverage such=20 > existing defined policy to signal to the the other end of the=20 > contracted party without requiring any additional complexity in the=20 > network with additional controllers. With respect to protocol, BGP is=20 > well established inter-domain protocol. Not sure if Netconf can be=20 > used to exchange info across domains/trust boundaries specifically if = they are managed in different administrative boundaries. [Bruno] I've raised the point, but I'll leave this to chairs and ADs. I understand that such comment comes late in the draft process. AFAIK, SNMP can provide different views, some being suitable to = customers, or peering ASes. I guess Netconf would allow the same. This = seems mainly a matter of authentication. That does not change the point that a priori netconf seems more suitable = to SLA/QoS configuration than BGP. =20 >=20 > > Especially since: > > - in the VPN context (using a lot of QoS and the uses cases=20 > >described in the document) many customer connections use static=20 > >routing rather than eBGP. >=20 > ##svshah, this actually had come up in early days of this proposal=20 > work before we progressed further with the proposal. It has been=20 > learned that while there are specific regions where static routing may = > be used, there are actually number of cases where eBGP is used. Infact = > it is in the VPN context, eBGP is found to be used. [Bruno] Working for a SP providing BGP/MPLS VPN services, I m pretty = sure that static routing is also used between PE & CE. IMO static = routing is used for a significant part of CE. And theses sites/customers = equally need QoS. So this seems (to me) a pitty to design a new solution = which is not applicable to a significant part of the network/customers. Clearly I don't see an obvious correlation between the routing protocol = used between PE & CE and the need for QoS. At the minimum, the document should clearly talks about this restriction = and warn SP that they may want to consider an alternative solution to = configure QoS related parameter if they use static routing for some of = their PE-CE. =20 > I agree that QoS is pervasive and contracts of QoS SLA happen in many=20 > types of deployments. Any protocol of choice will not fit all = deployment models. > Honestly, waiting for universal method will be forever. [Bruno] I would assume that Netconf has more chance to be a "universal" = configuration method then BGP, especially for non-routing related = information. =20 >=20 > > Hence this specification would not be enough to distribute SLA and=20 > >would require another protocol. > > - QoS is only one part of the configuration effort. Why using=20 > >different protocols to configure different aspects? > > > >- This may be related to draft-l3vpn-service-yang and the L3VPN=20 > >Service Model WG (l3sm). May be some form of coordination would be = beneficial. > > > >M2)"The exception is where a BGP speaker, in the middle of an update=20 > >path to the destination AS, aggregates prefixes. We will refer this=20 > >middle BGP speaker, that aggregates routes, as an Aggregator. > >Aggregator is then required to insert original NLRI details in the=20 > >optional > advertiser field" > > > >If you refer to the use of AS_SET, RFC6472 recommends against the use = > >of AS_SET. So, I'm not sure that there is a need to add complexity in = > >this specification in order to handle route aggregation. > >If removed, "section 5.3 Aggregator" may also be removed. >=20 > ##svshah, ok. We can use that as a guidance. Aggregation is=20 > highlighted simply to complete a possible scenario. Aggregation anyway = > is not an interesting case for SLA exchange. If advice is against it = anyway, we do not have to highlight it. [Bruno] It's up to you, whether you consider this additional complexity = is useful or not, to handle a case which is not recommended anymore. You = could at least reference RFC 6472 =20 >=20 > > > >M4) > > "Traffic Class Description > > Ascii Description of the Traffic Class" > > > >Should it be UTF-8? >=20 > ##svshah, that should be fine. [Bruno] In which cases, you may find interesting the following IETF = tutorial "A Pr=C3=A9cis of PRECIS:next-generation internationalization = considerations" https://www.ietf.org/edu/tutorials/92-WG-Chairs-Lunch-precis-Sullivan.pdf= =20 > > > >M5) SLA definition > > It would be good to define what a SLA is. Especially since this=20 > >whole goal of the draft is to advertise SLA in BGP. Citing an=20 > >individual draft [CPP] is not enough to have an agreed on definition, = > >especially for a STD track RFC. >=20 > ##svshah, I understand and agree that SLA is a generic term and is=20 > context dependent. Are you looking for elaborating something in the=20 > following context? We already have cited QoS parameters from RFC2212, = RFC2475 .. > We can elaborate in the following paragraph to add more content along=20 > the lines. >=20 > " > Typically there is a contractual Service Level Agreement (SLA) > established between a customer and a provider or between providers. > This contractual agreement defines the nature of the various = traffic > classes and services needed within each traffic class. The = contract > may include full line-rate or sub line-rate without additional > traffic classes, or it may contain additional traffic classes and > service definitions for those traffic classes. Finer granular > traffic classes may be based on some standard code points (like > DSCP), or specific set of prefixes. > " [Bruno] A definition of SLA sounds interesting. Especially if you say = that the meaning is context dependent. I can't comment on the definition. At least it seems to fit the data = that you advertise in BGP, which is good. > > Since QoS is not new in the IETF, there is probably a document=20 > >defining it (or using a more popular terminology). > >Looking in google, I don't really see matches for "IETF SLA" (outside = > >of documents written by the authors). > >Wikipedia seems to give a quite different definition, much wider than = > >diffserv specific parameters which seems to be the main point of this = > >BGP > >attribute: > >"A service-level agreement (SLA) is a part of a service=20 > >contract[disambiguation needed] where a service is formally defined. > >Particular aspects of the service - scope, quality, responsibilities=20 > >- are agreed between the service provider and the service user. A=20 > >common feature of an SLA is a contracted delivery time (of the=20 > >service or performance). As an example, Internet service providers=20 > >and telcos will commonly include service level agreements within the=20 > >terms of their contracts with customers to define the level(s) of=20 > >service being sold in plain language terms. In this case the SLA will = > >typically have a technical definition in terms of mean time between=20 > >failures (MTBF), mean time to repair or mean time to recovery (MTTR); = > >identifying which party is responsible for reporting faults or paying = > >fees; responsibility for various data rates; throughput; jitter; or=20 > >similar measurable > details.." > > > >M6) > > " Traffic Class Service (optional), > > 16-bit =3D type of the field > > variable-length =3D based on type of the service" > > > >Please specify the content of the "variable-length" field. >=20 > ##svshah, what it says that length of the field is to be specified=20 > based on type of the field specified. Thus it does have both type and=20 > length values specified in 2 different fields. Hope that clarifies. [Bruno] ok. Can you also clarify in the spec that this correspond to 2 = distinct fields: Length: 1 octet. Unsigned integer representing the length of the value = field. Value field: based on type of the service Note: I used "1 octet" but may be you meant 2 octets. The point is to = specify "length" field. >=20 > > > >If it only contains the Data Type of the IPFIX Information Elements,=20 > >I'm not sure how the encoding supports, on the receiving side, the=20 > >skipping of unknown ElementID. > >Given that I also don't see an end to end negotiation channel for the = > >BGP speaker to known the capabilities of the BGP receiver, I don't=20 > >see how the specification will support the introduction of new=20 > >Traffic Class Services in the future. > > > >M7) NLRI > >I don't see the relation between the QoS attribute and the NLRI. > >- Is the QoS attribute only applicable to the NLRI advertised? If so=20 > >what is the relation with destinationIP* advertised in the classifier = Element? > >Should they be restricted to more specifics of the advertised NLRI? >=20 > ##svshah, that is correct. If destinationIP advertised in the=20 > classifier element then in that case it would be restricted to = specifics. [Bruno] ok. I think that this should be indicated in the document. =20 >=20 > >- Also the QoS attribute may instruct "to drop entire BGP update=20 > >message [Note that it is an indication to drop entire update message, = > >not only QoS attribute]". This means that the NLRI will not be=20 > >propagated, hence routed, anymore, which seems strange. To preserve=20 > >routing of the NLRI, do the QoS attribute require to advertise a less = > >specific prefix (with no QoS attribute) in addition? >=20 > ##svshah, the provision is not so much to advertise less specific=20 > prefix but instead to support ordering where SLA to be advertised=20 > after the fact prefix was already advertised before. In such case, a=20 > new message will be triggered just for the sake of SLA advertisement.=20 > No need to route NLRI beyond SLA receiver and thus provision of this = option. [Bruno] Do you that mean the same prefix (BGP NLRI) has been advertised = before?=20 But in BGP, the subsequent advertisement of the same NLRI _replace_ the = previous one. There is no order/multiple ones. So if you drop the BGP = update, you don't only drop the SLA signaling but also the routing of = the prefix. =20 >=20 > > Or to use ADD_PATH to advertise the NLRI multiple times (with &=20 > >without the QoS attribute). > > > >Possibly same question for the relation between the QoS attribute and = > >the AFI/SAFI of the BGP UPDATE. Is the QoS attribute to be understood = > >in the context of the AFI/SAFI or not? e.g. if the classifier element = > >is the ipDiffServCodePoint does it match all protocols or only the=20 > >one of the AFI/SAFI? >=20 > ##svshah, it only would match the one of the AFI/SAFI. [Bruno] ok. I think that this should be indicated in the document. =20 =20 > > > >M8) Error handling > >Current text says that error handling MAY use attribute discard or=20 > >MAY use treat as withdraw. > >This seems underspecified as one implementation would be free to do=20 > >nothing, while another could do session reset. This would open many=20 > >BGP session reset in real networks. > >Please specific what must be done. > >Besides, other part of the document provides some more=20 > >specific/different error handling. e.g. "If there are more than one=20 > >such Traffic Classes present then advertised SLA parameters MUST be > ignored." > >Finally, the spec needs to define when the new attribute is=20 > >considered malformed. > >On an editorial note, I would prefer a dedicate section related to=20 > >error handling. >=20 > ##svshah, sure. Will look into incorporating specifics throughout=20 > document where applicable as well in a dedicated section. >=20 [Bruno] ok. This is the most important point for me. All others comments = only affect the QoS attribute. Here you can affect the whole network, up = to the whole Internet. =20 > >M9) security consideration may require some discussion. > >"There is a potential for mis-behaved AS to advertise wrong SLA,=20 > >stealing identity of another AS." > >Agreed. But there are probably other attack vectors (e.g. modifying=20 > >the attribute during propagation, setting parameters to instruct BGP=20 > >to drop the message (as this seems alllowed by the specification)...) > > > >"This resembles to problems already identified and resolved, in the=20 > >routing world, thru reverse path forwarding check." > >"Resembles" is not enough. "Resolved" is probably a bit quick. > > > >"One proposal, inline to RPF, to resolve such threats is to have each = > >BGP speaker node, in the forwarding path, perform reverse path check=20 > >on source AS." > >If this is a specification, it should be described in the document=20 > >(quickly citing it in the security section is not enough). > >It's also a bit short in term of specification. e.g. I don't see=20 > >"source AS" in the forwarding path (neither in the packet nor in the > >FIB) > > > >"Since we expect these messages to originate and distributed in the=20 > >managed network, there should not be any risks for identity theft." > >If you restrict the use of this specification/ATTRIBUTE in "managed=20 > >network", this needs to be clarified from the beginning (and not at=20 > >this very end of the document), and the specification should take=20 > >measure to ensure that this attribute is not received from/leaked=20 > >outside of this "managed network". > >Defining "managed network" may also help, especially since the=20 > >proposition involves multiple ASes and multiple organisations. > >(otherwise, you need to handle the case when this attribute is used=20 > >outside of "managed network" and therefore consider the security > >implications) >=20 >=20 > ##svshah, sure. Will incorporate accordingly. [Bruno] Ack. =20 > > > >M10) IANA section is under specified. > >e.g. you should: > >- states the name of the registry that you want to create or update. > >- states the name of the new entries in existing registries. > >- define all your new registries. (e.g. you don't have ones for new=20 > >QoS TLV subtypes (defined in =C2=A73.1), Optional Advertised id TLV, = SLA=20 > >event > >Type...) > >- define the registration policy of those new registries. > > > >Reading RFC5226 may help. >=20 > ##svshah, thanks for the pointer. Yeah, I recognize that IANA section=20 > is under specified. Will address it. [Bruno] Ack. =20 >=20 > > > > > >Minor (some not so minor): > >m1) From an editorial standpoint, the document may benefit from an=20 > >english language review. > > - Some sentences are hard to parse (at least for me). e.g. "The=20 > >need to exchange SLA parameters between domains (Automated Systems=20 > >(AS)), where in use-cases described in this document, BGP is a=20 > >suitable protocol for inter-domain exchange [RFC4271][RFC4364]. > > - Adding a full point "." at the end of each sentence may help the=20 > >parsing. > > - IMHO some sentences could be rewritten to improve readability. = e.g. > > OLD: > > highest order bit (bit 0) - > > It defines if update message MUST be dropped (if set to = 1) > > without updating routing information base, when this is = the > > last BGP receiver from the list of destination ASes this > > attribute is announced to, or MUST announce (if set to 0) > > further to BGP peers > > NEW > > highest order bit (bit 0) - > > This flags defines how update message must be > handled by the last > >BGP receiver in the list of destination ASes. > > If set (1) update message MUST be dropped without=20 > >updating routing information base. > > If cleared (0) update message MUST be further > advertised to BGP peers. > > > > On a side note, at this point in the document, it's not crystal=20 > >clear what you mean by "update message". The QoS Attribute TLV? The=20 > >QoS BGP attribute? The BGP UPDATE message? In general, in the=20 > >document, please use the protocols names of the messages/fields. > > - "SLA sub-type specific value field details." I guess you mean=20 > >:s/specific/specifies. >=20 > ##svshah, will make appropriate changes [Bruno] ok thanks. >=20 > > > >m2) > >OLD: Remaining bits are currently unused and MUST be set to 0 > >NEW: The lower-order seven bits of the Attribute Flags octet are = unused. > >They MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored when received. > >(Proposed text is a copy/past from RFC 4271. You are free to use=20 > >another text but please specify the behaviour on the receiving side=20 > >as we have seen BGP session reset in the Internet which a much=20 > >clearer > >sentence.) >=20 > ##svshah, understood. Will make necessary changes. [Bruno] ok thanks. =20 > > > >m3) That's not specific to this document, but I would find useful to=20 > >have the related implementation report draft be referenced in the=20 > >informative reference section. >=20 > ##svshah, ok. >=20 > > > >m4) "sub type Length" Please specify exactly what part of the message = > >is covered by the length (as some IETF spec use the length of the=20 > >value field, while some other use the length of the type+length+value = fields. > > > >m5) "32-bit source AS (Advertiser)" The word "advertiser" may be=20 > >misleading. (cf draft-hares-idr-update-attrib-low-bits-fix). RFC 4271 = > >uses "Originating speaker" (SIDR seems also to use "Origin". > >Multiple occurrences in the draft. >=20 > ##svshah, ok. >=20 > > > >m6) "0 =3D ignore Source and Destination AS list from this Value = field. > > Instead refer to Source and Destination AS as defined by = BGP > > message" > >I'm not sure what is meant by the second sentence. Please use the=20 > >specific names of BGP messages and fields. >=20 > ##svshah, I see what you are saying. Will make necessary change. >=20 > > > >m7) "format of the SLA message" > >Giving names and number to figures could be considered. > >So does adding the memory axis: > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m8) > >" Optional advertiser id total len > > 16-bit Source address identifier (optional)." > > > >I read this as the field "Optional advertiser id total len" contains=20 > >a 16-bit Source address identifier. > >While this field probably contain the length of "something". Please=20 > >check/clarify. >=20 >=20 > ##svshah, we may not need this if Aggregation is discouraged and is to = > be removed as in one of earlier major comments. >=20 > > > >m9) > > "Optional Advertiser id TLV > > 4-bit type" > > > >You need to specify the size of the "Length" field. Especially since=20 > >you introduce a somewhat unusual size of the "Type field" and some=20 > >people may assume that the size of the "length" field is of the same=20 > >size (4- > bit), > >while some others may believe its the usual 1-octet. > > > >m10)" Destination AS count > > 32-bit destination AS count to take variable length AS list." > >I guess you mean: > >number of destination ASes > >This field indicates the number of destination AS present in the=20 > >Destination AS list >=20 > ##svshah, correct >=20 > > > >m11) "SLA Id" > >The text under "SLA Id" mixes text related to "SLA Id " and text=20 > >related to "Content". Please split the text. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m12) I don't see a description of the filed "Content as per SLA = Event" >=20 > ##svshah, ok, let me put some content there. >=20 > > > >m13) " SLA Length > > 12-bits" > >Please specify what is covered/measured by this length field. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m14) > >" Direction > > 0x1 =3D incoming, from destination AS towards source AS > > 0x2 =3D outgoing, from source AS towards destination AS" > >I find the terms "incoming" and "outcoming" a bit misleading. e.g. > >the direction "from source AS towards destination AS" seems to be: > >- outgoing in the source AS > >- ingoing in the destination AS >=20 > ##svshah, since I=E2=80=99ve described what each means, I can get rid = of the=20 > terms =E2=80=9Cincoming=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Coutgoing=E2=80=9D = completely. [Bruno] ok =20 >=20 > > > >m15) "Traffic Class Descr Length > > 08-bit, size of the length" > >proposition :s/size of the length/ length of XXX > > > >m16) In section 3, I don't see the specification of the REQUEST SLA=20 > >even type. > >At the end of the document, it's said that "discussion of REQUEST=20 > >message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out of=20 > >the scope of this document." In which case, you should probably not=20 > >specify a REQUEST SLA even type. >=20 > ##svshah, yeah. I have removed in newer revision. REQUEST type should=20 > not be there since we are not defining it here. [Bruno] ok =20 > > > >m19) > >"Given IPFIX [RFC5102] has well defined identifier set for a large=20 > >number of packet attributes, IPFIX IANA registry is=20 > >"https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" chosen to specify packet=20 > >classification attributes." > >Sentence is hard to parse, which is an issue for a normative part. > >The reference should probably be listed in the reference section. > > > >"However, since not all identifiers from IPFIX would be applicable to = > >this proposal, only a limited set identified here can be supported by = > >BGP SLA exchange. Any new element identifier, in future, added to the = > >IPFIX IANA registry does not automatically mean supported for this > proposal." > > > >- This probably calls for a IANA registry to identify which element=20 > >identifier can be used. > >- Text should clarify that the list of accepted identifiers is=20 > >defined in the subsequent list (having no name and no number). >=20 > ##svshah, I can add text here to refer back to the table specified in=20 > earlier section. That way table at one place consistently can=20 > highlight what IPFIX elements are used by this proposal. >=20 > > > >m20) section 3 is hard to read. > >- IMO the document/section 3 would benefit from an section presenting = > >an overview of the solution > >- section 3 have a single subsection (3.1) hence the interest of=20 > >using subsection is limited. Given the size of section 3 (10 pages),=20 > >to improve readability I would suggest the use of multiples = subsection. >=20 >=20 > ##svshah, with iterative works, this is where section 3 is landed. I=20 > feel that the way it is currently is best representative of the=20 > proposal. Let me see though if there is any room to incorporate your = suggestion. >=20 > > > >m21) > > "The minimum policed unit (m) and maximum packet size (M) > > parameters have no relevance for the purpose of SLA exchange. > > Thus they MUST be ignored." > > > >Why specifying and sending such parameters in BGP if they MUST be=20 > >ignored by the receiver? >=20 > ##svshah, the sentence you are referring to here has total 5=20 > parameters (TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC), out of which 2 suggested here to be=20 > ignored. While review with tsvwg, there was a strong suggestion to=20 > re-use TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC (RFC2212) for the purpose here. And thus=20 > re-use of TSPEC parameters from which first 3 parameters are relevant = herewith. [Bruno] ok =20 > > > > > >m22) > >" This rate indicates the minimum rate, measured in bytes of Layer 2 > >(L2) datagrams per second," > >I'm not sure why the Layer 2 size is used rather than the layer 3 = size. > >As a consequence, you need to send additional information=20 > >(L2_OVERHEAD) which may be not needed otherwise. > >Draft cites RFC 2212 as the source of this TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC=20 > >parameter, and RFC 2212 use the IP datagram size. >=20 > ##svshah, In practice we find that L2 overhead is significantly=20 > important with respect to SLA between 2 domains. Thus we are making=20 > consideration of > L2 as a norm. L2 overhead field is introduced just to cover cases=20 > where the use-case need to consider only IP. [Bruno] RFC 2212 uses IP datagram size, not L2. I'm not sure why tsvwg = asked to use the same syntax format but agreed to have a different = semantic. Also, as the layer 2 change across ASes, I'm not sure how this is = relevant to propagate layer 2 specific information across multiple AS = borders. But that's your spec. I'm mainly reviewing the BGP specific part. =20 > > > >m23) > >"4. Originating SLA Notification > > > > The QoS attribute to advertise SLA sub-type MUST be added by the > > originator of a BGP UPDATE message." > > > >I guess you don't mean that advertising this new attribute is = mandatory. > >So please rephrase (e.g. at least :s/MUST/MAY) >=20 > ##svshah, yeah adverting attribute is not mandatory. What it is trying = > to highlight is that this attribute can=E2=80=99t be inserted by = intermediate nodes. [Bruno] ok, but that's not what's written. Given your answer, I would = write it as: The QoS attribute MUST only be added by the originator and = MUST NOT be added during BGP propagation. /Bruno >=20 > > > > > >m24) " If a BGP node is capable of processing QoS attribute, it=20 > >optionally MAY process the message." > > What message? The BGP UPDATE? > > >=20 > ##svshah, will revise text to make it more clear. >=20 > > > >m25) "BGP node MUST drop SLA related sub-type from the QoS = attribute, if > > none of the AS from the destination list is in the forwarding = path." > > > > There is no AS in the forwarding path. Please rephrase. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m26) "5.2. BGP Node not Capable of Processing QoS Attribute > > > > If the BGP node is not capable of processing QoS attribute, it = MUST > > forward the QoS attribute message unaltered." > > > >This section is completely useless. It should either be removed or at = > >the minimum should not specify a behavior. e.g. > >OLD: it MUST forward > >NEW: as per RFC4271, it will > > > >or should define what is meant by "processing QoS attribute". (my=20 > >reading is "does not recognize") >=20 >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m27) "If advertised QoS Attribute, inside an update message, is with=20 > >a flag set indicating to drop that message, a receiver MUST drop=20 > >message if it is the last receiver, in update path, that message is = advertised to." > >This is not extremely clear. Especially for a "MUST" behavior. Please = > >rephrase using the protocols names of the messages/fields. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m28)"If the advertised SLA is from the next hop, in the reverse path, = > >the receiver may implement advertised SLA for the whole link, the=20 > >link could be physical or virtual link, associated with the next hop. = " > > > >I don't understand. Please rephrase. (e.g. which next-hop?, reverse=20 > >path of what?) > > > >"If NLRI advertised in update message is not of the next hop," > >I don't understand. Please rephrase. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >m29) > > "For cases where if earlier messages have not reached the intended = > >receiver yet, a re-signaling is required. A receiver may intend to=20 > >request an SLA message from the originator in such case. Since BGP=20 > >messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that advertised=20 > >messages always reach intended receivers. Thus discussion of REQUEST > > message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out=20 > >of the scope of this document." > >Some parsing issues. > >The text seems to self contradict: > >- "a re-signaling is required" > >- "Since BGP messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that=20 > >advertised messages always reach intended receivers." > > > >m30) > > "There are well-defined recommendations that exist for traffic=20 > >class mapping between two technologies. " > > > > Please provides references. > > >=20 > ##svshah, ok. Let me provide a reference to MPLS TC mapping. >=20 > > > >m31) > >"AS2 can advertise the same or a subset of that SLA to AS3 in the=20 > >context of tunnel's ip address." > >Which tunnel are you refering to? > > >=20 > ##svshah, agree. Tunnel is not qualified in the description here. Will = > revise the text appropriately. >=20 > > > >Nits: > >N1) ID Nits reports 1 error (Obsolete normative reference) >=20 > ##svshah, yes, have taken care of it. >=20 > >N2) In a BGP context, "AS" stands for "Autonomous System" and not=20 > >"Automated System" >=20 > ##svshah, oops.. Thanks for catching typo. >=20 > >N3) > >" = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | = | > > ~ Traffic Class Elements count/values = ~ > > | = | > > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ " > > > >I feel that the figure could be updated to more accurately represent = both > >fields (length). Something like > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Traffic Count| Traffic Class values = | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = ~ > > | = | > > ~ = ~ > > | = | > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > ##svshah, agree. Looks better this way. >=20 > > > >N4) In general for all figures, it's easier if the name of the legend = > >/ descriptive paragraph match the name in the figure. > >e.g. > >"Class Desc Len" in figure versus "Traffic Class Descr Length" in the = > >legend "Advertiser id TLVs" in figure versus "Optional Advertiser id=20 > >TLV" in the legend "Event" in figure versus "SLA Event Type" in the=20 > >legend ... >=20 > ##svshah, will double check them >=20 > > > >N5) > >"IPFIX IANA registry is "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" " > >May be added to the reference section. >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >N6) There is a mix of usage of "octet" and "byte". For consistency,=20 > >only one should be chosen ("octet" IMHO) >=20 > ##svshah, ok >=20 > > > >N7)[CPP] I-D.boucadair-connectivity-provisioning-profile" > >why not citing RFC 7297 instead? >=20 >=20 > ##svshah, have already taken care of it. >=20 > Regards, > Shitanshu >=20 > > > > > >Regards, > >Bruno > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ____________ > >___ _______________________________________________ > > > >Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations=20 > >confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, = > >exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message=20 > >par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi=20 > >que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles = > >d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete = > >altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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'idr wg' , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:49:44 -0000 Bruno: Thank you for the pointers. This type help makes my job as WG a lot = easier.=20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 1:48 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'idr wg'; 'Shitanshu Shah (svshah)'; = rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 Sue, > From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 25,=20 > 2015 6:53 PM >=20 > Bruno: >=20 > Thank you for the excellent comments. I recalled your comments at = the 2012 > IETF. This draft needs to be considered in a focuses usage of 2=20 > peers. All other assumptions need to be carefully reworked. >=20 > I will have the authors expand the Deployment considerations to=20 > consider the pros/cons of netconf, I2RS, and BGP-flowspec. That's up to you. That's beyond my comments. Regarding the deployment consideration section, my comment was to = discuss the applicability of _this_ specific document. i.e. states where = it has good applicability, and where it has less applicability (e.g. the = BGP/MPLS VPN provider also uses static routing between PE & CE) > I agree that the QoS > consideration is only part of the consideration for this draft. >=20 > Once the authors have completed their revisions to my satisfaction,=20 > this draft will be resent to the IDR list for approval. As part of=20 > that second approval process, I would like to summarize your concerns = > for the IDR list. Would you point out which of your messages or=20 > presentations should be considered in that discussion? My original set of comments: = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg14418.html Follow up as of today: = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg14547.html Both are on IDR mailing list. Bruno =20 > Sue Hares >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:29 PM > To: Susan Hares > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'idr wg'; 'Shitanshu Shah (svshah)';=20 > rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org;=20 > draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange.all@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 >=20 > Hi Susan, >=20 > > From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > Sent: Monday, June 22, > > 2015 3:26 PM > > > > Bruno: > > > > I would like to separate the readability of the draft, the details=20 > > of the SLAs, > and > > the passing of SLA information. I will work with the authors on = the > readability > > of the draft and the SLA specification below. I will work with the=20 > > authors until they address these questions. >=20 > Excellent. Thanks. >=20 > > However, I want to address up-front passing the SLA information. I=20 > > agree > that > > netconf/yang or I2RS could pass the SLA information. However, this = set of > > peers want to pass SLA in BGP. After we have accepted passing = link-state > > information in BGP between a set of peers, are you concerned about=20 > > passing SLA information? The SLA information is also sent between a = > > few > peers. >=20 > A priori, as of today, I would feel that Netconf looks like a more=20 > suitable protocol to configure QoS parameters on nodes (assuming that=20 > the IETF specify a YANG module for this), especially for the Point to = point case (4.1.1. > SLA Advertisement for Point-to-Point Connection). > In theory, BGP may be interesting to propagate the QoS parameters=20 > along all the BGP speakers on the path (4.1.2. SLA Advertisement for=20 > Destination AS Multiple Hops Away). However: > - I don't have enough knowledge on QoS to evaluate on how much it=20 > makes sense to configure the same QoS parameters on all the nodes of=20 > the MP2P trees set up by BGP (especially since this document advertise = > some L2 specific information while the L2 may be different along the=20 > path) > - The uses cases described in "7. Deployment Considerations" seems to = > only use QoS configuration on a point to point way > - Possibly, using BGP flowspec may have been an interesting option to=20 > consider >=20 > However, you are right that the IDR WG has taken this work item, so=20 > the comment is probably way too late for BGP. And at that time (I=20 > remember having discussed this draft in Paris (2012)) Netconf was less = > mature or spread across the IETF. The question may still be valid for=20 > others routing protocols as the main use case indicated is "Provider=20 > to advertise contracted SLA parameters to Customer Edge (CE)", and BGP = > may not be the only protocol used in this use case. >=20 > > If this is the issue, I would like to have a discussion of your=20 > > concerns on the > IDR mail list. >=20 > Note that IDR is in copy of my comments. >=20 > Bruno >=20 > > > > Sue > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 > > bruno.decraene@orange.com > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 9:29 AM > > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-sla- = > > exchange.all@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; idr wg > > Subject: [Idr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this=20 > > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or=20 > > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG=20 > > review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review=20 > > is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information=20 > > about the Routing Directorate, please see=20 > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing=20 > > ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any=20 > > other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to=20 > > resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. > > > > Document: draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-05 > > Reviewer: Bruno Decraene > > Review Date: 22/05/2015 > > IETF LC End Date: 02/03/2015 > > Intended Status: Standards Track > > > > Summary: I have significant concerns about this document and=20 > > recommend that the Routing ADs discuss these issues further with the > authors. > > > > (Or the chairs as I see that this document has not yet been passed=20 > > to the ADs) > > > > Comments: > > In general, the readability of the document is acceptable but could=20 > > be improved, both from a language and technical precision point of = view. > > (examples below). > > However, there are some normative parts of this Standard Track=20 > > specification that I could not understand. > > > > Major: > > M1) The Introduction states > > "In a multi-vendor network, translating SLAs into=20 > > technology-specific and vendor-specific configuration requires to=20 > > consider specificities of each vendor. > > There does not exist any standard protocol to translate SLA=20 > > agreements into technical clauses and configurations and thus both=20 > > the steps of out of band learning of negotiated SLA and provisioning = > > them in a vendor specific language can be complex and error-prone." > > > > - I guess some would use NETCONF/YANG to address this. It could be=20 > > questioned why BGP has been preferred. Especially since: > > - in the VPN context (using a lot of QoS and the uses cases=20 > > described in the document) many customer connections use static=20 > > routing rather than eBGP. Hence this specification would not be=20 > > enough to distribute SLA and would require another protocol. > > - QoS is only one part of the configuration effort. Why using=20 > > different protocols to configure different aspects? > > > > - This may be related to draft-l3vpn-service-yang and the L3VPN=20 > > Service Model WG (l3sm). May be some form of coordination would be > beneficial. > > > > M2)"The exception is where a BGP speaker, in the middle of an update = > > path to the destination AS, aggregates prefixes. We will refer this=20 > > middle BGP speaker, that aggregates routes, as an Aggregator. > > Aggregator is then required to insert original NLRI details in the=20 > > optional > advertiser field" > > > > If you refer to the use of AS_SET, RFC6472 recommends against the=20 > > use of AS_SET. So, I'm not sure that there is a need to add=20 > > complexity in this specification in order to handle route = aggregation. > > If removed, "section 5.3 Aggregator" may also be removed. > > > > M4) > > "Traffic Class Description > > Ascii Description of the Traffic Class" > > > > Should it be UTF-8? > > > > M5) SLA definition > > It would be good to define what a SLA is. Especially since this=20 > > whole goal of the draft is to advertise SLA in BGP. Citing an=20 > > individual draft [CPP] is not enough to have an agreed on=20 > > definition, especially for a > STD track RFC. > > Since QoS is not new in the IETF, there is probably a document=20 > > defining it (or using a more popular terminology). > > Looking in google, I don't really see matches for "IETF SLA"=20 > > (outside of documents written by the authors). > > Wikipedia seems to give a quite different definition, much wider=20 > > than diffserv specific parameters which seems to be the main point=20 > > of this BGP > attribute: > > "A service-level agreement (SLA) is a part of a service=20 > > contract[disambiguation needed] where a service is formally defined. > > Particular aspects of the service > > - scope, quality, responsibilities - are agreed between the service=20 > > provider and the service user. A common feature of an SLA is a=20 > > contracted delivery time (of the service or performance). As an=20 > > example, Internet service providers and telcos will commonly include = > > service level agreements within the terms of their contracts with=20 > > customers to define the level(s) of service being sold in plain=20 > > language terms. In this case the SLA will typically have a technical = > > definition in terms of mean time between failures (MTBF), mean time=20 > > to repair or mean time to recovery (MTTR); identifying which party=20 > > is responsible for reporting faults or paying fees; responsibility=20 > > for various > data rates; throughput; jitter; or similar measurable details.." > > > > M6) > > " Traffic Class Service (optional), > > 16-bit =3D type of the field > > variable-length =3D based on type of the service" > > > > Please specify the content of the "variable-length" field. > > If it only contains the Data Type of the IPFIX Information Elements, = > > I'm not sure how the encoding supports, on the receiving side, the=20 > > skipping of unknown ElementID. > > Given that I also don't see an end to end negotiation channel for=20 > > the BGP speaker to known the capabilities of the BGP receiver, I=20 > > don't see how the specification will support the introduction of new = > > Traffic Class Services in the future. > > > > M7) NLRI > > I don't see the relation between the QoS attribute and the NLRI. > > - Is the QoS attribute only applicable to the NLRI advertised? If so = > > what is the relation with destinationIP* advertised in the=20 > > classifier Element? Should they be restricted to more specifics of=20 > > the advertised > NLRI? > > - Also the QoS attribute may instruct "to drop entire BGP update=20 > > message [Note that it is an indication to drop entire update=20 > > message, not only QoS attribute]". This means that the NLRI will not = > > be propagated, hence routed, anymore, which seems strange. To=20 > > preserve routing of the NLRI, do the QoS attribute require to=20 > > advertise a less specific prefix (with no QoS attribute) in=20 > > addition? Or to use ADD_PATH to advertise the NLRI multiple times=20 > > (with & without the QoS > attribute). > > > > Possibly same question for the relation between the QoS attribute=20 > > and the AFI/SAFI of the BGP UPDATE. Is the QoS attribute to be=20 > > understood in the context of the AFI/SAFI or not? e.g. if the=20 > > classifier element is the ipDiffServCodePoint does it match all=20 > > protocols or only the one of the AFI/SAFI? > > > > M8) Error handling > > Current text says that error handling MAY use attribute discard or=20 > > MAY use treat as withdraw. > > This seems underspecified as one implementation would be free to do=20 > > nothing, while another could do session reset. This would open many=20 > > BGP session reset in real networks. > > Please specific what must be done. > > Besides, other part of the document provides some more=20 > > specific/different error handling. e.g. "If there are more than one=20 > > such Traffic Classes present then advertised SLA parameters MUST be > ignored." > > Finally, the spec needs to define when the new attribute is=20 > > considered malformed. > > On an editorial note, I would prefer a dedicate section related to=20 > > error handling. > > > > M9) security consideration may require some discussion. > > "There is a potential for mis-behaved AS to advertise wrong SLA,=20 > > stealing identity of another AS." > > Agreed. But there are probably other attack vectors (e.g. modifying=20 > > the attribute during propagation, setting parameters to instruct BGP = > > to drop the message (as this seems alllowed by the=20 > > specification)...) > > > > "This resembles to problems already identified and resolved, in the=20 > > routing world, thru reverse path forwarding check." > > "Resembles" is not enough. "Resolved" is probably a bit quick. > > > > "One proposal, inline to RPF, to resolve such threats is to have=20 > > each BGP speaker node, in the forwarding path, perform reverse path=20 > > check on source AS." > > If this is a specification, it should be described in the document=20 > > (quickly citing it in the security section is not enough). > > It's also a bit short in term of specification. e.g. I don't see=20 > > "source AS" in the forwarding path (neither in the packet nor in the > > FIB) > > > > "Since we expect these messages to originate and distributed in the=20 > > managed network, there should not be any risks for identity theft." > > If you restrict the use of this specification/ATTRIBUTE in "managed=20 > > network", this needs to be clarified from the beginning (and not at=20 > > this very end of the document), and the specification should take=20 > > measure to ensure that this attribute is not received from/leaked=20 > > outside of > this "managed network". > > Defining "managed network" may also help, especially since the=20 > > proposition involves multiple ASes and multiple organisations. > > (otherwise, you need to handle the case when this attribute is used=20 > > outside of "managed network" and therefore consider the security > > implications) > > > > M10) IANA section is under specified. > > e.g. you should: > > - states the name of the registry that you want to create or update. > > - states the name of the new entries in existing registries. > > - define all your new registries. (e.g. you don't have ones for new=20 > > QoS TLV subtypes (defined in =C2=A73.1), Optional Advertised id TLV, = SLA=20 > > event Type...) > > - define the registration policy of those new registries. > > > > Reading RFC5226 may help. > > > > > > Minor (some not so minor): > > m1) From an editorial standpoint, the document may benefit from an=20 > > english language review. > > - Some sentences are hard to parse (at least for me). e.g. "The=20 > > need to exchange SLA parameters between domains (Automated Systems=20 > > (AS)), where in use-cases described in this document, BGP is a=20 > > suitable protocol for inter-domain exchange [RFC4271][RFC4364]. > > - Adding a full point "." at the end of each sentence may help the = parsing. > > - IMHO some sentences could be rewritten to improve readability. = e.g. > > OLD: > > highest order bit (bit 0) - > > It defines if update message MUST be dropped (if set to = 1) > > without updating routing information base, when this is = the > > last BGP receiver from the list of destination ASes this > > attribute is announced to, or MUST announce (if set to = 0) > > further to BGP peers > > NEW > > highest order bit (bit 0) - > > This flags defines how update message must be > handled by the last > > BGP receiver in the list of destination ASes. > > If set (1) update message MUST be dropped without=20 > > updating routing information base. > > If cleared (0) update message MUST be further > advertised to BGP > > peers. > > > > On a side note, at this point in the document, it's not crystal=20 > > clear what you mean by "update message". The QoS Attribute TLV? The=20 > > QoS > BGP attribute? > > The BGP UPDATE message? In general, in the document, please use the=20 > > protocols names of the messages/fields. > > - "SLA sub-type specific value field details." I guess you mean=20 > > :s/specific/specifies. > > > > m2) > > OLD: Remaining bits are currently unused and MUST be set to 0 > > NEW: The lower-order seven bits of the Attribute Flags octet are = unused. > > They MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored when received. > > (Proposed text is a copy/past from RFC 4271. You are free to use=20 > > another text but please specify the behaviour on the receiving side=20 > > as we have seen BGP session reset in the Internet which a much=20 > > clearer > > sentence.) > > > > m3) That's not specific to this document, but I would find useful to = > > have the related implementation report draft be referenced in the=20 > > informative reference section. > > > > m4) "sub type Length" Please specify exactly what part of the=20 > > message is covered by the length (as some IETF spec use the length=20 > > of the value field, while some other use the length of the = type+length+value fields. > > > > m5) "32-bit source AS (Advertiser)" The word "advertiser" may be > misleading. > > (cf draft-hares-idr-update-attrib-low-bits-fix). RFC 4271 uses=20 > > "Originating speaker" (SIDR seems also to use "Origin". > > Multiple occurrences in the draft. > > > > m6) "0 =3D ignore Source and Destination AS list from this Value = field. > > Instead refer to Source and Destination AS as defined by = BGP > > message" > > I'm not sure what is meant by the second sentence. Please use the=20 > > specific names of BGP messages and fields. > > > > m7) "format of the SLA message" > > Giving names and number to figures could be considered. > > So does adding the memory axis: > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > > > > > m8) > > " Optional advertiser id total len > > 16-bit Source address identifier (optional)." > > > > I read this as the field "Optional advertiser id total len" contains = > > a 16-bit Source address identifier. > > While this field probably contain the length of "something". Please=20 > > check/clarify. > > > > m9) > > "Optional Advertiser id TLV > > 4-bit type" > > > > You need to specify the size of the "Length" field. Especially since = > > you introduce a somewhat unusual size of the "Type field" and some=20 > > people may assume that the size of the "length" field is of the same = > > size (4-bit), while some others may believe its the usual 1-octet. > > > > m10)" Destination AS count > > 32-bit destination AS count to take variable length AS = list." > > I guess you mean: > > number of destination ASes > > This field indicates the number of destination AS present in the=20 > > Destination AS list > > > > m11) "SLA Id" > > The text under "SLA Id" mixes text related to "SLA Id " and text=20 > > related to "Content". Please split the text. > > > > m12) I don't see a description of the filed "Content as per SLA = Event" > > > > m13) " SLA Length > > 12-bits" > > Please specify what is covered/measured by this length field. > > > > m14) > > " Direction > > 0x1 =3D incoming, from destination AS towards source AS > > 0x2 =3D outgoing, from source AS towards destination AS" > > I find the terms "incoming" and "outcoming" a bit misleading. e.g. > > the direction "from source AS towards destination AS" seems to be: > > - outgoing in the source AS > > - ingoing in the destination AS > > > > m15) "Traffic Class Descr Length > > 08-bit, size of the length" > > proposition :s/size of the length/ length of XXX > > > > m16) In section 3, I don't see the specification of the REQUEST SLA=20 > > even > type. > > At the end of the document, it's said that "discussion of REQUEST=20 > > message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out of = > > the scope of this document." In which case, you should probably not=20 > > specify a REQUEST SLA even type. > > > > m19) > > "Given IPFIX [RFC5102] has well defined identifier set for a large=20 > > number of packet attributes, IPFIX IANA registry is=20 > > "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" chosen to specify packet=20 > > classification attributes." > > Sentence is hard to parse, which is an issue for a normative part. > > The reference should probably be listed in the reference section. > > > > "However, since not all identifiers from IPFIX would be applicable=20 > > to this proposal, only a limited set identified here can be=20 > > supported by BGP SLA exchange. Any new element identifier, in=20 > > future, added to the IPFIX IANA registry does not automatically mean = > > supported for this > proposal." > > > > - This probably calls for a IANA registry to identify which element=20 > > identifier can be used. > > - Text should clarify that the list of accepted identifiers is=20 > > defined in the subsequent list (having no name and no number). > > > > m20) section 3 is hard to read. > > - IMO the document/section 3 would benefit from an section=20 > > presenting an overview of the solution > > - section 3 have a single subsection (3.1) hence the interest of=20 > > using subsection is limited. Given the size of section 3 (10 pages), = > > to improve readability I would suggest the use of multiples = subsection. > > > > m21) > > "The minimum policed unit (m) and maximum packet size (M) > > parameters have no relevance for the purpose of SLA exchange. > > Thus they MUST be ignored." > > > > Why specifying and sending such parameters in BGP if they MUST be=20 > > ignored by the receiver? > > > > m22) > > " This rate indicates the minimum rate, measured in bytes of Layer 2 > > (L2) datagrams per second," > > I'm not sure why the Layer 2 size is used rather than the layer 3=20 > > size. As a consequence, you need to send additional information > > (L2_OVERHEAD) which may be not needed otherwise. > > Draft cites RFC 2212 as the source of this TRAFFIC_CLASS_TSPEC=20 > > parameter, and RFC 2212 use the IP datagram size. > > > > m23) > > "4. Originating SLA Notification > > > > The QoS attribute to advertise SLA sub-type MUST be added by the > > originator of a BGP UPDATE message." > > > > I guess you don't mean that advertising this new attribute is=20 > > mandatory. So please rephrase (e.g. at least :s/MUST/MAY) > > > > m24) " If a BGP node is capable of processing QoS attribute, it=20 > > optionally MAY process the message." > > What message? The BGP UPDATE? > > > > m25) "BGP node MUST drop SLA related sub-type from the QoS = attribute, if > > none of the AS from the destination list is in the forwarding = path." > > > > There is no AS in the forwarding path. Please rephrase. > > > > m26) "5.2. BGP Node not Capable of Processing QoS Attribute > > > > If the BGP node is not capable of processing QoS attribute, it = MUST > > forward the QoS attribute message unaltered." > > > > This section is completely useless. It should either be removed or=20 > > at the minimum should not specify a behavior. e.g. > > OLD: it MUST forward > > NEW: as per RFC4271, it will > > > > or should define what is meant by "processing QoS attribute". (my=20 > > reading is "does not recognize") > > > > m27) "If advertised QoS Attribute, inside an update message, is with = > > a flag set indicating to drop that message, a receiver MUST drop=20 > > message if it is the last receiver, in update path, that message is = advertised to." > > This is not extremely clear. Especially for a "MUST" behavior.=20 > > Please rephrase using the protocols names of the messages/fields. > > > > m28)"If the advertised SLA is from the next hop, in the reverse=20 > > path, the receiver may implement advertised SLA for the whole link,=20 > > the link could be physical or virtual link, associated with the next = hop. " > > > > I don't understand. Please rephrase. (e.g. which next-hop?, reverse=20 > > path of > > what?) > > > > "If NLRI advertised in update message is not of the next hop," > > I don't understand. Please rephrase. > > > > m29) > > "For cases where if earlier messages have not reached the=20 > > intended receiver yet, a re-signaling is required. A receiver may=20 > > intend to request an SLA message from the originator in such case. =20 > > Since BGP messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that=20 > > advertised messages always reach intended receivers. Thus = discussion of REQUEST > > message, for this purpose or any other purpose, is considered out = > > of the scope of this document." > > Some parsing issues. > > The text seems to self contradict: > > - "a re-signaling is required" > > - "Since BGP messages are considered reliable, it is assumed that=20 > > advertised messages always reach intended receivers." > > > > m30) > > "There are well-defined recommendations that exist for traffic=20 > > class mapping between two technologies. " > > > > Please provides references. > > > > m31) > > "AS2 can advertise the same or a subset of that SLA to AS3 in the=20 > > context of tunnel's ip address." > > Which tunnel are you refering to? > > > > > > Nits: > > N1) ID Nits reports 1 error (Obsolete normative reference) > > N2) In a BGP context, "AS" stands for "Autonomous System" and not=20 > > "Automated System" > > N3) > > " = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | = | > > ~ Traffic Class Elements count/values = ~ > > | = | > > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ " > > > > I feel that the figure could be updated to more accurately represent = both > > fields (length). Something like > > > > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Traffic Count| Traffic Class values = | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = ~ > > | = | > > ~ = ~ > > | = | > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > N4) In general for all figures, it's easier if the name of the=20 > > legend / descriptive paragraph match the name in the figure. > > e.g. > > "Class Desc Len" in figure versus "Traffic Class Descr Length" in=20 > > the legend "Advertiser id TLVs" in figure versus "Optional=20 > > Advertiser id TLV" in the legend "Event" in figure versus "SLA Event = Type" in the legend ... > > > > N5) > > "IPFIX IANA registry is "https://www.ietf.org/assignments/ipfix" " > > May be added to the reference section. > > > > N6) There is a mix of usage of "octet" and "byte". For consistency,=20 > > only one should be chosen ("octet" IMHO) > > > > N7)[CPP] I-D.boucadair-connectivity-provisioning-profile" > > why not citing RFC 7297 instead? > > > > > > Regards, > > Bruno > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations=20 > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre=20 > > diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu=20 > > ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le=20 > > detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques=20 > > etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite = > > si ce message a ete altere, > deforme ou falsifie. 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From nobody Thu Jun 25 10:54:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4951A8767 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3T83GH1eagu for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65D8F1A873E for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.187.115; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <016b01d0af6f$fd40fdf0$f7c2f9d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016C_01D0AF4E.7630E490" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCvbwj8erEzx9nnRFyPSXDP9diB9Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: keyupate@cisco.com, jhaas@juniper.net Subject: [Idr] 2 week adoption call for draft-litkowski-idr-bgp-timestamp-02 (6/25 to 7/9) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:54:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01D0AF4E.7630E490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-litowski-idr-bgp-timestamp-02.txt which you can retrieve at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-litkowski-idr-bgp-timestamp/ In responding to this WG adoption call please: 1) Do operators need transport timestamps of a BGP path? We would like to hear from operators who wish this feature to indicate how important this feature is to their daily or monthly operational work. 2) Does this solution provide reliable timestamps for BGP path? 3) Are there any scaling issues with this feature? 4) Is this feature cause problems if single-homed prefix becomes a dual-homed prefix (errors happen!)? As always in your discussion, please indicate support or no support for this draft. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01D0AF4E.7630E490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In responding to this WG adoption call = please:

 

1)      = Do operators need transport timestamps of a BGP = path?  We would like to hear from operators who wish this feature = to indicate how important this feature is to their daily or monthly = operational work.

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------=_NextPart_000_016C_01D0AF4E.7630E490-- From nobody Thu Jun 25 12:31:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4EC1ACD52; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-1lTPvhK_ax; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431661ACD30; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150625193104.18908.82263.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:31:04 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:31:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Wide BGP Communities Attribute Authors : Robert Raszuk Jeffrey Haas Andrew Lange Shane Amante Bruno Decraene Paul Jakma Richard A Steenbergen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities-00.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2015-06-25 Abstract: Route tagging plays an important role in external BGP [RFC4271] relations, in communicating various routing policies between peers. It is also a very common best practice among operators to propagate various additional information about routes intra-domain. The most common tool used today to attach various information about routes is through the use of BGP communities [RFC1997]. Such information is important to allow BGP speakers to perform some mutually agreed actions without the need to maintain a separate offline database for each tuple of prefix and associated set of action entries. This document defines a new encoding which will enhance and simplify what can be accomplished today with the use of BGP communities. The most important addition this specification makes over currently defined BGP communities is the ability to specify, carry as well as use for execution an operator's defined set of parameters. It also provides an extensible platform for any new community encoding needs in the future. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 25 12:32:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8BD1ACD50; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57PVFdMEfQnv; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B319E1ACD5F; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:32:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150625193224.26392.31000.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:32:24 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-registered-wide-bgp-communities-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:32:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registered Wide BGP Community Values Authors : Robert Raszuk Jeffrey Haas Filename : draft-ietf-idr-registered-wide-bgp-communities-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2015-06-25 Abstract: Communicating various routing policies via route tagging plays an important role in external BGP peering relations. The most common tool used today to attach various information about routes is realized with the use of BGP communities. Such information is important for the peering AS to perform some mutually agreed actions without the need to maintain a separate offline database for each pair of prefix and an associated with it requested set of action entries. This document proposes to establish a new IANA maintained registry of most commonly used Wide BGP Communities by network operators. Such public registry will allow for easy refernece and clear interpretation of the actions associated with received community values. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-registered-wide-bgp-communities/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-registered-wide-bgp-communities-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 25 13:10:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B741ACE5D for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SnvZoyG3fUW0 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9CED1ACE5F for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.187.115; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: <019f01d0af82$e9206cd0$bb614670$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A0_01D0AF61.6211DA10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCvcA/YiYE3ufTmRG6WSuqdPBQEWA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] 2 week adoption call for draft-jdurand-auto-bfd-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:09:59 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01D0AF61.6211DA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week adoption call for draft-jdurand-auto-bfd-00.txt. You can obtain this draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jdurand-auto-bfd/ For this consensus call: 1) If you are IXP operator, please indicate if the problem that draft-jdurand-auto-bfd and draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd are trying to solve exists at your exchange point. 2) Will draft-jdurand-auto-bfd session help you operationally? 3) Would you use draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd and draft-jdurand-auto-bfd together? 4) Do you have any security concerns? As always in the discussion, please indicate "support" or "no support for this as a WG draft. Sue Hares and John Scudder ================= Summary of draft-jdurand-auto-bfd draft-jdurand-auto-bfd suggests: a solution denoted as AUTO-BFD, that automatically initiates BFD sessions for BGP next-hops. o AUTO-BFD is configured on the BGP peering to the BGP RS. o Every time a new BGP next-hop is received from this peering, AUTO- BFD triggers a new BFD session with this next-hop (or reinstates an existing session, see Section 5). The operation mode for this BFD session MUST be asynchronous. (Timers and the number of sessions are locally configured.) o Routes coming from the AUTO-BFD enabled BGP neighbor are then checked based on the BGP next-hop and its BFD session state. Acceptance of routes is then subject to the administrative policy based on BFD session state. Summary of draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01) Proposes the use of BFD between two peering routers to detect a data plane failure and the use of BGP next hop cost to signal the state of the data link to the route servers. This draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01 suggests: . Echo mode MAY be used if both client routers running a BFD session support this, . The use of authentication in BFD is optional as trust levels vary between BGP peers at IXPs. If trust cannot be assumed, pair-wise keys can be used with the appropriate ttl/hop limit (RFC5881), . 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This = begins a 2 week adoption call for draft-jdurand-auto-bfd-00.txt. You can = obtain this draft at:

 

https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jdurand-auto-bfd/

 

For this = consensus call:

1)      = If you are IXP operator, please indicate if the = problem that draft-jdurand-auto-bfd and draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd are trying = to solve exists at  your exchange point.

2)      = Will draft-jdurand-auto-bfd session help you = operationally?

3)      = Would you use draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd and = draft-jdurand-auto-bfd together?

4)      = Do you have any security concerns? =

 

As always in the discussion, please indicate = “support” or “no support for this as a WG draft. =

 

Sue Hares and John Scudder

 

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Summary of = draft-jdurand-auto-bfd

=

draft-jdurand-auto-bfd suggests: = a solution denoted as AUTO-BFD, that

   automatically initiates BFD sessions for = BGP next-hops. 

 

   = o  AUTO-BFD is configured on the BGP peering to the BGP = RS.

   o  Every time a = new BGP next-hop is received from this peering, AUTO-

      BFD triggers a new BFD = session with this next-hop (or reinstates

      an existing session, = see Section 5).  The operation mode for this

      BFD session MUST be = asynchronous. 

     (Timers and the number = of sessions are locally configured.)

 

   = o  Routes coming from the AUTO-BFD enabled BGP neighbor are = then

      = checked based on the BGP next-hop and its BFD session = state.

      = Acceptance of routes is then subject to the administrative = policy

      = based on BFD session state.

 

Summary = of  draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01

(https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01) 

 

Proposes the = use of BFD between two peering routers to detect a data plane failure = and the use of BGP next hop cost to signal the state of the data link to = the route servers.

This = draft-ymbk-idr-rs-bfd-01 suggests:

·         = Echo mode MAY be used if both client = routers running a BFD session support this,

·         =   The use of authentication in = BFD is optional as trust levels vary between BGP peers at IXPs.  If = trust cannot be assumed, pair-wise keys can be used with the appropriate = ttl/hop limit (RFC5881),

·         = Administrative shutdown and start with = start having BGP automatically enabled.

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01D0AF61.6211DA10-- From nobody Fri Jun 26 08:05:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B614E1A90D9; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRoMlaOBN9N2; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0134.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E8571A8AFE; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DM2PR0301MB0704.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.160.97.12) by DM2PR0301MB0703.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.160.97.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.195.15; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:10 +0000 Received: from DM2PR0301MB0704.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.160.97.12]) by DM2PR0301MB0704.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.160.97.12]) with mapi id 15.01.0195.005; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:10 +0000 From: Luyuan Fang To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt Thread-Index: AdCt5O/xNmk1e05vTpyKTOy1xr93yw== Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:10 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ndzh.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-originating-ip: [2001:4898:80e8:ed31::2] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; DM2PR0301MB0703; 5:ubrpylZGCbA2ej9Nts2vACMK+f60o0Hx9UP3gVkGoQWIwmd2LjAKEP4GXYMf+G9aEIwUw+I2N6s5GRzjh5vptFSdRfiEJWnq8Rn4ai52MxsIh+lizEfpFqjlah0hg1a62whpG4rUIigwb56YUqnF5g==; 24:yJEAQK3gGNLPfVnVWZUL+Tqg9gWiSjE6hvW4rX26LhDLh038YVcmM9yAJiWLx3ju27EoFEywKoLGRVkz5HL+PjGe20Q/Vjex6LUt5OQAad8=; 20:JaxIS9uMocyxWAYj+cm7wjKHno9kIgkz6YRED7HWkLEVK9VjIe76nCcKfMyNyqEgVBoHC6hKFC2x/Ok07Nk12w== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0301MB0703; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(2401001)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:DM2PR0301MB0703; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR0301MB0703; x-forefront-prvs: 06167FAD59 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(377454003)(24454002)(51704005)(479174004)(102836002)(16236675004)(46102003)(2900100001)(77156002)(86612001)(19300405004)(230783001)(87936001)(86362001)(15975445007)(5001770100001)(74316001)(2501003)(122556002)(77096005)(99286002)(54356999)(19625215002)(19580405001)(19580395003)(50986999)(33656002)(5003600100002)(2656002)(5001960100002)(76576001)(62966003)(5002640100001)(15974865002)(40100003)(92566002)(189998001)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR0301MB0703; H:DM2PR0301MB0704.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM2PR0301MB0704C89F4B7D7A39E59E253FD6A00DM2PR0301MB0704_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Jun 2015 18:47:10.0792 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR0301MB0703 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:04:59 -0700 Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:14 -0000 --_000_DM2PR0301MB0704C89F4B7D7A39E59E253FD6A00DM2PR0301MB0704_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. -Luyuan On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 - 6/29). > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/ > This is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and > other draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg). > Please review this yang modules and comment on it on the list. > Sue Hares > > PS - Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at: > www.yangvalidator.com (from the hand of *Carl Moberg*). If you find > errors, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged th= e > authors to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim. > There are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this > draft. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --_000_DM2PR0301MB0704C89F4B7D7A39E59E253FD6A00DM2PR0301MB0704_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.<= /span>

-Luyuan

On Mon, Ju= n 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

> This = begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for

> draft= -shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt (6/15 – 6/29).

> http:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model/

> This = is the base BGP module from a merge of the OpenConfig module and=

> other= draft (draft-zhdankin-idr-bgp-cfg).

> Pleas= e review this yang modules and comment on it on the list.=

> Sue H= ares

>&= nbsp;

> PS - = Benoit just sent out a note that an online validator is at:

> www.y= angvalidator.com (from the hand of *Carl Moberg*).   If you find<= o:p>

> error= s, please be kind to the authors because this WG chair encouraged the<= /o:p>

> autho= rs to get an initial merged draft out for the 6/15/2015 interim.=

> There= are many other BGP yang drafts that will need to align with this

> draft= .

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1. Agenda bashing

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3. draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00=C2=A0 [10:30 - 10:45] [ Gunter = Van De Velde]

4. ietf-idr-bgp-nh-cost-02 [10:45-11:00] [IIlya = Varlashkin]

5. Record Next-Hop features [Sue Hares] [11:00-11:05] =

6. Discussion of Next-Hop technology [11:05-11:30] =

 

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Agenda corrections for 6/29/2015 agenda is below.=C2=A0 Presenters = please have the slides to

 

IDR interim 6/29/2015

Time: 10:00 - 11:30am EDT

 

1. Agenda bashing

1. draft-sriram-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation-00 = [10:00-10:15]

[Sriram Kotikalapud]

2. Discussion of Route leaks [10:15 - 10:20]

2. draft-jdurand-auto-bfd.txt=C2=A0 [10:20 - 10:30] [Jerome Durand] =

3. draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00=C2=A0 [10:30 - 10:45] [Keyur = Patel]

4. ietf-idr-bgp-nh-cost-02 [10:45-11:00] [IIlya = Varlashkin]

5. Record Next-Hop features [Sue Hares] [11:00-11:10] =

6. Discussion of Next-Hop technology [11:10-11:30] =

 

IDR interim 6/29/2015

Monday, June 29, 2015

10:00 am=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 1.5 hrs

 

 

From:= = Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, June 26, = 2015 11:29 AM
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: 'John = Scudder'
Subject: IDR virtual interim 6/29/2015 at = 10:00-11:30am

 

IDR interim 6/29/2015

Time: 10:00 - 11:30am EDT

 

1. Agenda bashing

1. draft-sriram-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation-00 [10:00-10:15] = [Sriram ]

2. Discussion of Route leaks [10:15 - 10:20]

2. draft-jdurand-idr-next-hop-liveliness-00.txt  [10:20 - 10:30] = [Jerome Durand]

3. draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00  [10:30 - 10:45] [ Gunter = Van De Velde]

4. ietf-idr-bgp-nh-cost-02 [10:45-11:00] [IIlya = Varlashkin]

5. Record Next-Hop features [Sue Hares] [11:00-11:05] =

6. Discussion of Next-Hop technology [11:05-11:30] =

 

IDR interim 6/29/2015

Monday, June 29, 2015

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------=_NextPart_000_0183_01D0B00C.0D14D6B0-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 08:47:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBD71A8700 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OujM8JI6V_Nq for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37CFA1ACE39 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01d0b282$e4df33b0$ae9d9b10$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01D0B261.5DCF1A50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCygbcckkGCyeyQQLef0kMJ0Ej+Jg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] 6/29/2015 Interim's minutes and proceedings X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:47:39 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D0B261.5DCF1A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IDR interim minutes are online at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/29/idr/minutes/minutes-inter im-2015-idr-7. Proceedings are at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/29/idr/proceedings.html. John Scudder, Sue Hares, and others on the etherpad took notes. If you wish to have your name recorded as a note-taker, please let me know. Action items: 1) Sue Hares will post a set of questions on route-leaks 2) Sue Hares will post a set of questions on draft-jdurand-auto-bfd and draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd. (Hopefully Jeff will help with the discussion) 3) Keyur Patel will post questions on draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00, and Sue will start WG adoption call on 7/3/2015. 4) Sue Hares will organize a "record" and instrument discussion with co-authors before IETF. 5) Sue Hares will organize a cohesive "next-hop" session at IETF for next-hop related authors. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D0B261.5DCF1A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The IDR = interim minutes are online at   http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06= /29/idr/minutes/minutes-interim-2015-idr-7.

Proceedings are at: = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/29/idr/proceedings.html.<= o:p>

 

John Scudder, Sue Hares, and others on the etherpad = took notes.   If you wish to have your name recorded as a = note-taker, please let me know.

 

Ac= tion items: 

&n= bsp;   1) Sue Hares will post a set of questions on = route-leaks

&n= bsp;   2) Sue Hares will post a set of questions on = draft-jdurand-auto-bfd and = draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd. 

&n= bsp;      (Hopefully Jeff will help with the = discussion)

&n= bsp;   3) Keyur Patel will post questions on = draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00, and Sue will start WG adoption call on = 7/3/2015. 

&n= bsp;   4) Sue Hares will organize a "record" and = instrument discussion with co-authors before = IETF.

&n= bsp;   5) Sue Hares will organize a cohesive = "next-hop" session at IETF for next-hop related = authors. 

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D0B261.5DCF1A50-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 08:54:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A251ACE73 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GdKeTSKIZ23P for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B30A1ACE6C for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <005901d0b283$ea07bd20$be173760$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01D0B262.62F7A3C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCygvgZdEuODf/jSQ2DVCW8x4wMng== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: "'Montgomery, Douglas'" , "'Sriram, Kotikalapudi'" Subject: [Idr] Route Leaks and solutions X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D0B262.62F7A3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sriram and Doug: During the interim the following questions asked about the solution in draft-sriram-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation-00 1. Does the IDR WG think Route leaks should be deployed in two modes: With BGPSEC and without BGPSEC? Without BGPSEC, Sriram suggested that it could accidental route leaks, but not malicious route leaks. Is this useful to operators? Without BGPSEC, this could be deployed as an optional transitive path attribute or an extended community. With BGPSEC, this information could be part of the signed path attributes. 2. If we think it is useful without BGPSEC, should it be deployed in both forms (BGPSEC and non-BGPSEC) 3. Would deploying ROA and route filtering, find this another useful addition? Could you comment on these questions and discuss the value of route leaks on the list? Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D0B262.62F7A3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sriram and = Doug:

 

During the interim the following questions asked about = the solution in = draft-sriram-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation-00

 

1.       = Does the IDR WG think Route leaks should be = deployed in two modes:  With BGPSEC and without BGPSEC? =  

Without BGPSEC, Sriram suggested that &= nbsp;it could a= ccidental route leaks, but not malicious route = leaks.

I= s this useful to operators?

<= o:p> 

W= ithout BGPSEC, this could be deployed as an optional transitive path = attribute or an extended community.  

W= ith BGPSEC, this information could be part of the signed path = attributes.

 

2.       If = we think it is useful without BGPSEC, should it be deployed in both = forms (BGPSEC and non-BGPSEC)

3.       = Would deploying ROA and route filtering, find = this another useful addition?

 

Could you = comment on these questions and discuss the value of route leaks on the = list?

 

Sue Hares

------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D0B262.62F7A3C0-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 08:59:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ACA1ACE7C for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qn84NDq6Z2c for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22EF41ACE7E for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 08:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <007301d0b284$8242d6b0$86c88410$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B262.FB32BD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCyc7VoV4kZqQaQQXOhpOga6y92fg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:59:00 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B262.FB32BD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IDR WG adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02 for 6/14 to 6/29 has completed, and this document is adopted as a WG draft. The authors should submit this as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-00.txt. Sue Hares and John Scudder ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B262.FB32BD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The IDR WG = adoption call for draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-02 for 6/14 to 6/29 has = completed, and this document is adopted as a WG draft.  =

The authors should submit this as = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-00.txt.

 

Sue Hares = and John Scudder

------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B262.FB32BD50-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 09:07:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FC81ACE85 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zHqRg1WqXZR for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12F211ACE87 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:07:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00a901d0b285$b6637430$232a5c90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01D0B264.2F566810" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdCyhNrQT6K0GX6ITHiyQ7RgDJ0QsQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: jjerduran@cisco.com, 'David Freedman' Subject: [Idr] draft-jdurand-auto-bfd-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:07:47 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01D0B264.2F566810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David and Jerome: Acee and Jeff Haas find this to be a useful solution to consider for FRR and BGP. At the interim, it was suggested it would be useful for you to discuss on the mail list: . The differences between (draft-ietf-idrrs-bfd/draft-ymk-idr-bfd) with your draft on the mail list? . Any conflict between protection a BGP session at an IXP and protecting the connectivity of a prefix? . Any way this proposed standard changes BFD. I'm sure I missed a few other valuable questions, but there seems to be real interest in you leading a discussion on this point. You can lead this discussion on this thread or on the WG Adoption thread. Sue ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01D0B264.2F566810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Da= vid and Jerome:

 

Ac= ee and Jeff Haas find this to be a useful solution to consider for FRR = and BGP.

 

At= the interim, it was suggested it would be useful for you to discuss on = the mail list:

·         = Th= e differences between (draft-ietf-idrrs-bfd/draft-ymk-idr-bfd) with your = draft on the mail list?

·         = An= y conflict between protection a BGP session at an IXP and protecting the = connectivity of a prefix?

·         = An= y way this proposed standard changes BFD.

 

I&= #8217;m sure I missed a few other valuable questions, but there seems to = be real interest in you leading a discussion on this point. =   You can lead this discussion on this thread or on the WG = Adoption thread.

 

Su= e

 

------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01D0B264.2F566810-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 09:47:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CFF1A9130; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTnKVVSzcxeB; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323951B2AA0; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150629164745.4866.10391.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:47:45 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:47:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Route Target Constrained Distribution of Routes with no Route Targets Authors : Eric C. Rosen Keyur Patel Jeffrey Haas Robert Raszuk Filename : draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2015-06-29 Abstract: BGP routes sometimes carry an "Extended Communities" path attribute. An Extended Communities path attribute can contain one or more "Route Targets" (RTs). By means of a procedure known as "RT Constrained Distribution" (RTC), a BGP speaker can send BGP UPDATE messages that express its interest in a particular set of RTs. Generally, RTC has been applied only to address families whose routes always carry RTs. When RTC is applied to such an address family, a BGP speaker expressing its interest in a particular set of RTs is indicating that it wants to receive all and only the routes of that address family that have at least one of the RTs of interest. However, there are scenarios in which the originator of a route chooses not to include any RTs at all, assuming that the distribution of a route with no RTs at all will be unaffected by RTC. This has led to interoperability problems in the field, where the originator of a route assumes that RTC will not affect the distribution of the route, but intermediate BGP speakers refuse to distribute that route because it does not carry any RT of interest. The purpose of this document is to clarify the effect of the RTC mechanism on routes that do not have any RTs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jun 29 11:16:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BC91A0021 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pX1jdJGY8dbC for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEC051A001D for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1676; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1435601764; x=1436811364; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=92NLmf6bM4Cxl65vdaXj8fx+XywwAQByi3Cii+wFn2Y=; b=LK8cXw/Ff3ScHV8OItIPzNynZMfqp0q5auqfCMXGv72te7yFjPd2yAvO hJEBVsRZMDneNViPvyCvCKY14VbpHsHQ8Lh8eSnjJYUCziUIna5JG996c dxQU03xkOkfdC7B5UFgOya2+IPSUNITV/ECQWurxTWsjgNziMH9Hxq96k w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CtAwBQipFV/5pdJa1bgkVMVGW9JgmBZoc3OBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEGRCBCwELAXQnBIhCDaJuphMBAQgBAQEBGgSVAgWUBAGEWIZ8gTqEEZJwJoN6gjWBAgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,371,1432598400"; d="scan'208,217";a="163842721" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jun 2015 18:16:04 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t5TIG4GO011538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:16:04 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.4.112]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 13:16:03 -0500 From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-rosen-tunnel-encaps-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHQspeo/crwlAlUjU+qaPs2zIJpIg== Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:16:02 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.9.150325 x-originating-ip: [10.155.33.72] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D1B6D9751C399keyupateciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] draft-rosen-tunnel-encaps-00.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:16:06 -0000 --_000_D1B6D9751C399keyupateciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, We have posted a new tunnel encapsulation attribute draft known as draft-ro= sen-tunnel-encaps-00.txt. This draft addresses all the concerns and questions that were raised during= the WG acceptance call of draft-vandevelde-idr-remote-next-hop. Please provide comments/suggestions. Best Regards, Keyur https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00 --_000_D1B6D9751C399keyupateciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <59962D77FA73A847B7F27C5F225BDE4F@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks,

We have posted a new tunnel encapsulation attribute draft known as dra= ft-rosen-tunnel-encaps-00.txt.  

This draft addresses all the concerns and questions that were raised d= uring the WG acceptance call of draft-vandevelde-idr-remote-next-hop.<= /div>

Please provide comments/suggestions.

Best Regards,
Keyur


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-idr-tunnel-encaps-00

--_000_D1B6D9751C399keyupateciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jun 29 19:52:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25921B2FA6 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pR4SZx5xgFf2 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97E71B2FA3 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9lf7-00049k-6T; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:52:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:52:39 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Susan Hares" In-Reply-To: <005901d0b283$ea07bd20$be173760$@ndzh.com> References: <005901d0b283$ea07bd20$be173760$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 'idr wg' , "'Montgomery, Douglas'" , "'Sriram, Kotikalapudi'" Subject: Re: [Idr] Route Leaks and solutions X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:52:44 -0000 > 1. Does the IDR WG think Route leaks should be deployed in two modes: > With BGPSEC and without BGPSEC? without bgpsec, is it an attack vector? randy