From nobody Thu Jun 1 09:07:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7FF12EACE for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=highloadlab-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LPcL5kPPN_j9 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x230.google.com (mail-pf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 779EC12EACA for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n23so31140905pfb.2 for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=highloadlab-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=eoF6OSEtXNRbYTAKMdfSC1q91Lds66Joo1CtyLUO+cs=; b=jdgJCxtwMYmY/u1kJYVxEl/+R06NRn/ULsxAykR9rEuwqt1WrJT6pH0bYzwWomMmLz HT+vtbHzLtk9DVHVBYh8ej1JJkMRhsAZY0c4/wiP0EKKE+2a/LjGIGknE70GtWH6xItP qMJ/v1T2qx+eDaBi+bpxAOU1Cn28NnjbQewIj4BbcehtTMi4mtv47Q/eKDVa8qSNDR/1 puG1kx5A5AKmDXWGS3KCINHEkRELtW5glNK0ay2hYHO08Ju6fFzf6X1Ve0riw1eNuNFi XywZXya6RE24LRv20YGTX9rAM0Z5Z6FRdaS0mBC6Hn7qHXIjCxvIosEYbX7SrXK1pGvh tYlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eoF6OSEtXNRbYTAKMdfSC1q91Lds66Joo1CtyLUO+cs=; b=oGPFMxKdpZD7eZYpvSdCc4v8e/wJR9pSPaejhVPVYVsDiXNu5L4x615a/yPQi4g5gD Cd0rjerYdI9L+PVoP6XU5wHJVXpTMXgk7/3uSbzKp5fLFCh+B0p294lv+0VBdEOCqtTw ZrN3aenKoqUiW/o8DMxMkCdVG0Jw6I4qDq82Th/KgRSs2Te1GA7lFe5n3uOhqwE9pt8u CMdk78E1BqCWPG3ihVbGqmmmYhYCzkhQFY2L2r5RI/AMjRZHLJLob9HNc57RPokKd+Mj dC4kU3stZTvFCd/KDcT4QJK0ByyE0RRrjRDmrcdnahuUOjnbpbUDfTMV9y4WUCN8qIQ6 YlEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBUkpXR2sQmYPKORyXv8+ZtZGQDSeAUm0MwuOsWBgyz6bzyCdl0 La1/60lT95/9FsjrQhunobVYoBh3Jbfs X-Received: by 10.99.111.201 with SMTP id k192mr1764177pgc.192.1496333244100; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: aa@highloadlab.com Received: by 10.100.165.199 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [83.242.172.134] In-Reply-To: <6485_1496161634_592D9D62_6485_13175_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3244C@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <001e01d2d14c$32ed2e10$98c78a30$@ndzh.com> <6485_1496161634_592D9D62_6485_13175_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3244C@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Alexander Azimov Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 19:07:23 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6x1Mw5jKBndXBbYSLdK8jun7jdw Message-ID: To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: Susan Hares , idr wg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0ce4967b07600550e83bb2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017). X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 16:07:27 -0000 --94eb2c0ce4967b07600550e83bb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Bruno! Thank you for your feedback! My comments are bellow. > Possible comments: > > - possibly, there could be additional usage/value if the iOTC attribute > were carrying the role within the AS, rather than being only a flag. For > example it could be used in routing policies (as a read-only-memory) e.g. > to set the preference of routes. Indeed, my understanding is that this info > is double checked hence more reliable than a BGP community that the > receiver could set with no additional checks. So a priori a better source > of info for a routing policy > I do agree that roles can have other usages, and, for example, default LOCAL_PREF value may be set according to set role. Still, I do not see use case, when iOTC itself can provide additional support for routing policies. IMO - we should keep iOTC as simple as possible. > - a priori, as per current text, the iOTC attribute seems advertised over > EBGP session and not removed on the reception side. I'm not sure whether > this is a design goal or a bug. > iOTC is not intended to be sent via Peer/Provider/Customer connections. We will clarify it in text. Thanks! > - Possibly, the "Strict mode" could be the only one/the mandated behavior. > To allow for backward compatibility, the non-compliant peer could tag > routes with "well-known" BGP communities, to be defined by this document, > and indicating the role (on a per route basis). > > 'Strict mode' by default seems to me too radical. It will result in problems at state of partial deployment, when after software update BGP session will not get up back. Also, please keep in mind, that roles are negotiated via OPEN messages, before any communities can be exchanged. --94eb2c0ce4967b07600550e83bb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bruno!

Thank you for your feedback! = My comments are bellow.
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= Possible comments:

= - possibly, there could be additional usage/value if the iOTC attribute wer= e carrying the role within the AS, rather than being only a flag. For examp= le it could be used in routing policies (as a read-only-memory) e.g. to set the preference of routes. Indeed, my underst= anding is that this info is double checked hence more reliable than a BGP c= ommunity that the receiver could set with no additional checks. So a priori= a better source of info for a routing policy

I do agree that roles can h= ave other usages, and, for example, default LOCAL_PREF value may be set acc= ording to set role. Still, I do not see use case, when iOTC itself can prov= ide additional support for routing policies. IMO - we should keep iOTC as s= imple as possible.
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= - a priori, as per current text, the iOTC attribute seems advertised over E= BGP session and not removed on the reception side. I'm not sure whether= this is a design goal or a bug.

iO= TC is not intended to be sent via Peer/Provider/Customer connections. We wi= ll clarify it in text. Thanks!
=C2=A0

= - Possibly, the "Strict mode" could be the only one/the mandated = behavior. To allow for backward compatibility, the non-compliant peer could= tag routes with "well-known" BGP communities, to be defined by this document, and indicating the role (on a per route basis).

=

'Strict mode' by de= fault seems to me too radical. It will result in problems at state of parti= al deployment, when after software update BGP session will not get up back.= Also, please keep in mind, that roles are negotiated via OPEN messages, be= fore any communities can be exchanged.
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"John G. Scudder" Cc: "idr@ietf. org" , mpls@ietf.org, draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability@bgp.nu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045dcf9ceb9c2a0550edc140" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [mpls] Working Group adoption call for draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:42:57 -0000 --f403045dcf9ceb9c2a0550edc140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors, Some of the language sounds similar to that in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps. Did you consider augmenting tunnel-encaps in order to signal EL by adding a new sub-TLV ? It is a transitive attribute but it has a Remote Endpoint sub-TLV to bind the capability to the specific nexthop. (It may require a new "tunnel type" to represent plain MPLS nexthops.) This would avoid the need to upgrade all the BGP speakers between egress and ingress. tunnel-encaps also has a Color sub-TLV that can be useful, for example, when using recursive resoltion, to select a subset of overlay prefixes that would actually use EL for forwarding. That said, some nitpicks: - dependant==>dependent; infact it can be totally avoided and just call it "Nexthop capabilites" - that said, it would be better to avoid reusing the term "Capabilities" for this attribute though I understand you are trying to draw a parallel with session capabilities thanks--shyam On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, John G. Scudder wrote: > Hi All, > > IDR working group adoption has been requested for > draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03. Please send your comments to > the IDR mailing list before June 2, 2017. Please remember that we need > affirmative support in order to adopt the draft, so don't be shy. > > draft datatracker page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > doc/draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability/ > slides from IETF-98: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides- > 98-idr-08-bgp-next-hop-dependent-capabilities-00.pdf > > Since in part this draft specifies a replacement for the Entropy Label > Capability Attribute (ELCA) that was defined by the MPLS WG in RFC 6790 and > deprecated by RFC 7447, I have cc'd the MPLS WG mailing list. Since the > proposed new attribute is a generic container with the ELCA replacement > just the first application, the current draft is targeted to IDR and not > MPLS (this was discussed during IETF-93). > > Thanks, > > --John > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --f403045dcf9ceb9c2a0550edc140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear authors,

Some of the language soun= ds similar to that in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.
Did you consider aug= menting tunnel-encaps in order to signal EL by
adding a new sub-TLV ? It= is a transitive attribute but it has a
Remote Endpoint sub-TLV to bind = the capability to the specific nexthop.
(It may require a new "tunn= el type" to represent plain MPLS nexthops.)

T= his would avoid the need to upgrade all the BGP speakers between egress
= and ingress. tunnel-encaps also has a Color sub-TLV that can be useful,
= for example, when using recursive resoltion, to select a subset of overlay<= br>prefixes that would actually use EL for forwarding.

=
That said, some nitpicks:
- dependant=3D=3D>dependent; infact it= can be totally avoided and just
call it "Nexthop capabilites"=
- that said, it would be better to avoid reusing the term "Capabil= ities" for this
attribute though I understand you are trying to dra= w a parallel with
session capabilities

thanks--= shyam

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, John G. Scudder <= jgs@juniper.net>= ; wrote:
Hi All,

IDR working group adoption has been requested for draft-decraene-idr-next-h= op-capability-03. Please send your comments to the IDR mailing list be= fore June 2, 2017. Please remember that we need affirmative support in orde= r to adopt the draft, so don't be shy.

draft datatracker page: http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capabili= ty/
slides from IETF-98: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slid= es-98-idr-08-bgp-next-hop-dependent-capabilities-00.pdf

Since in part this draft specifies a replacement for the Entropy Label Capa= bility Attribute (ELCA) that was defined by the MPLS WG in RFC 6790 and dep= recated by RFC 7447, I have cc'd the MPLS WG mailing list. Since the pr= oposed new attribute is a generic container with the ELCA replacement just = the first application, the current draft is targeted to IDR and not MPLS (t= his was discussed during IETF-93).

Thanks,

--John
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Scudder" , "draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] Working Group adoption call for draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03 Thread-Index: AQHS2yhsdTrNoJjhFUemOGtXLiyqVKIRVsqQ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:12:17 +0000 Message-ID: <18660_1496398338_59313A02_18660_383_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3870E@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3870EOPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [mpls] Working Group adoption call for draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:12:23 -0000 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with ESMTP id BCEE41293E3 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1xdfPMLIufd for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limes.NIC.DTAG.DE (limes.NIC.DTAG.DE [194.25.1.113]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD99126B6D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x59.NIC.DTAG.DE (x59.NIC.DTAG.DE [194.25.1.154]) by limes.NIC.DTAG.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12433; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:06:17 +0200 (MEST) To: "Susan Hares" cc: "'idr wg'" , rv@limes.NIC.DTAG.DE From: "Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.." In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 2017 05:33:52 EDT." <001e01d2d14c$32ed2e10$98c78a30$@ndzh.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:06:17 +0200 Message-ID: <19180.1496426777@x59.NIC.DTAG.DE> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017). X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:06:34 -0000 > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) I strongly support adoption, and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly. we are putting it in our list of requests for vendors product developement roadmaps Ruediger Volk From nobody Fri Jun 2 13:41:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45C3129AA8 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D0OvDftndj0I for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lxdnp29m.centurylink.com (lxdnp29m.centurylink.com [155.70.32.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 228C7127869 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lxomp90v.corp.intranet (emailout.qintra.com [151.117.203.59]) by lxdnp29m.centurylink.com (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id v52KfDPW059747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:41:13 -0600 Received: from lxomp90v.corp.intranet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lxomp90v.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id v52Kf8io015361; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:41:08 -0500 Received: from lxomp07u.corp.intranet (lxomp81v.corp.intranet [151.117.18.14]) by lxomp90v.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id v52Kf8xt015357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA256 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:41:08 -0500 Received: from lxomp07u.corp.intranet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lxomp07u.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id v52Kf8sK032944; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:41:08 -0500 Received: from vddcwhubex502.ctl.intranet (vddcwhubex502.ctl.intranet [151.119.128.29]) by lxomp07u.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id v52Kf6vp032905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:41:08 -0500 Received: from PDDCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet ([fe80::9033:ef22:df02:32a9]) by vddcwhubex502.ctl.intranet ([151.119.128.29]) with mapi id 14.03.0339.000; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:41:06 -0600 From: "Smith, Donald" To: "Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.." , Susan Hares CC: "'idr wg'" , "rv@limes.NIC.DTAG.DE" Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017). Thread-Index: AQHS28rtKPuw1yo2RQSbPHINWp1hYKISATe0 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:41:05 +0000 Message-ID: <68EFACB32CF4464298EA2779B058889D53C1DF46@PDDCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet> References: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 2017 05:33:52 EDT." <001e01d2d14c$32ed2e10$98c78a30$@ndzh.com> ,<19180.1496426777@x59.NIC.DTAG.DE> In-Reply-To: <19180.1496426777@x59.NIC.DTAG.DE> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [151.119.128.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017). X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:41:17 -0000 I see a BGP role of transit provider, but not one for transit customer. Tho= se tend to be different than edge or enterprise customers. Their usually co= nnected to a border aka peering router(s) not an edge, although both can an= d do happen. The complex role may work for that as it allows for nearly any= type of role. But many of us have borders (peering only maybe with transit customers), an= d edges (enterprise maybe some transit customers). Those that restrict transit customers to just one of those types or routers= would be able to have a simpler set of edge or border wide policies for en= terprise, or peering only routers. We may also have the case where a transit customer pays for what transits o= ur network but doesn't pay for what lands on our network. I have probably just made the case for your complex role. Next and this is just a NIT. I think this: BGP Internal Only To Customer attribute The Internal Only To Customer (iOTC) attribute is a new optional, non-transitive BGP Path attribute with the Type Code . Should be this: BGP Internal Only to Customer attribute The Internal Only to Customer (IOtC) attribute is a new optional, non-transitive BGP Path attribute with the Type Code . But could argue IOC (dropping the to altogether from it making it a TLA). I could also argue for IOTC. But the small i... seems wrong. if (initial_ttl!=3D255) then (rfc5082_compliant=3D=3D0) Donald.Smith@centurylink.com From: Idr [idr-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telek= om Technik - FMED-41.. [rv@NIC.DTAG.DE] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 12:06 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: 'idr wg'; rv@limes.NIC.DTAG.DE Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/2= 0 to 6/3/2017). > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-polic= y > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) I strongly support adoption, and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly. we are putting it in our list of requests for vendors product developement roadmaps Ruediger Volk _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain confident= ial or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is st= rictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communicat= ion in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and dest= roy all copies of the communication and any attachments. From nobody Sat Jun 3 00:32:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C47C126DC2; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 00:32:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149647515020.31831.13459019478039773238@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 00:32:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 07:32:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP Link-State Advertisements Authors : Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-06-03 Abstract: This document describes the protocol extensions to collect node administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisements and disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement protocol, to facilitate inter-AS TE applications that may need the same node administrative tags to associate a subset of network devices spanning across more than one AS with a specific functionality. 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Hi Chairs, We would like to ask for WGLC for this draft. We haven't received any comments in a long time and we think it is quite in shape for the last call. Thanks and regards, -Pushpasis ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:02 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt To: Pushpasis Sarkar , Hannes Gredler < hannes@rtbrick.com>, Stephane Litkowski A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Pushpasis Sarkar and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension Revision: 01 Title: Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP Link-State Advertisements Document date: 2017-06-04 Group: idr Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls- node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls- node-admin-tag-extension/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node- admin-tag-extension-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp- ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls- node-admin-tag-extension-01 Abstract: This document describes the protocol extensions to collect node administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisements and disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement protocol, to facilitate inter-AS TE applications that may need the same node administrative tags to associate a subset of network devices spanning across more than one AS with a specific functionality. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --001a1130c0f8a079a305510958b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

Just submitted a= nother version after bumping up =C2=A0the version number to avoid expiratio= n.

Hi Chairs,

We would li= ke to ask for WGLC for this draft. We haven't received any comments in = a long time and we think it is quite in shape for the last call.
=
Thanks and regards,
-Pushpasis

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To: Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>, = Hannes Gredler <hannes@rtbrick.com= >, Stephane Litkowski <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-0= 1.txt
has been successfully submitted by Pushpasis Sarkar and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A001
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP= Link-State Advertisements
Document date:=C2=A0 2017-06-04
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 idr
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 11
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-draf= ts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-b= gp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iet= f-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddra= ft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes the protocol extensions to collect nod= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisemen= ts and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement protocol,= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0facilitate inter-AS TE applications that may need the same nod= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0administrative tags to associate a subset of network devices s= panning
=C2=A0 =C2=A0across more than one AS with a specific functionality.





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I read the draft and support its adoption.

SY,
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<= /div> ------=_Part_920973_1873973341.1496496396373-- From nobody Sun Jun 4 05:00:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1017E128DE7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=instituut-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pO2oW_KBCo_P for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 05:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 158F5128799 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id b84so54596482wmh.0 for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2017 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=instituut-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RerYRDJfnhJszBAtQqIYEJSuNsnHgf5ONHycVl1gg+o=; b=tgrZmI1j7yW00I+ifsj7saWDT8gP4C0qvLm1OifpUmuwDhmMBy/kkIY1hse140x5as oLhQCOOVqN72taF+8lcan9qNuXxmkfgVL2ldJnChWKlqyIg3hFrS1dfOas0Z9p47ZMyg 8SUNCvwrAQ3+ArqjHLV5zafvdddTYXRpsvApV1pA0GgxjmosVCqM8mH94mnFlBj8rkN/ Czw1pemXLK61qYtjqQKmO56gM5CHT52tGhidQp2GhEujENlWlpX2GZq6qGyfuw8k6u4V 300C8auLfui7Xd9wqsS5Tb7vsBTkjqtFCOVx2He/2AubYS+3revnu5wX4mpvgBLoymQM SdlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RerYRDJfnhJszBAtQqIYEJSuNsnHgf5ONHycVl1gg+o=; b=kJhrwqEJxaXe0ofh03SnCAbtP05X4GKNUOHvy1IYkXkG2qlf0FsIdy9wtyroPRBvhd HQBy/iCq8iO/FFG/3LP0jYthf7NiC1iwnQOKpoZh0pcd+AM8r2mu8vf7uFqOFOyAPBjL buFknmJCLvlYrEUOfTd0o9JLBCud/GPZkgS5vCDMRroLVmKB+L+z9frkOfClQ8E/8Bv8 P37JfDBjOHhrkupl1PvXSbuHogG9NDz68q1nSzdqLMuZh1rnoerAa3UoulfsiITxxWT4 MLKhabiPVAt0utMR9jRK1C1GQUDtghehXWpsPXrOeaoyg6rZ5DEXvi1jKM5GYlgXPn+t tYQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcB9/eyiQN262QjM6Tyb7pgJEhQ0CDQBpB6Rlm08Ct2uAt5WyEs+ B9tojnwD/rhzt6/LaKGlR72i4mI1ohCZ X-Received: by 10.28.133.210 with SMTP id h201mr5100258wmd.3.1496577598332; Sun, 04 Jun 2017 04:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001e01d2d14c$32ed2e10$98c78a30$@ndzh.com> <19180.1496426777@x59.NIC.DTAG.DE> In-Reply-To: <19180.1496426777@x59.NIC.DTAG.DE> From: Job Snijders Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 11:59:47 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.." , Susan Hares Cc: idr wg , rv@limes.nic.dtag.de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11444f7820bd72055121207e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017). X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 12:00:02 -0000 --001a11444f7820bd72055121207e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 20:06, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.. wrote: > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy > > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) > I strongly support adoption, > and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly. Unfortunately, as it's currently specified, I still cannot see my affiliation deploying this technology in a meaningful way. The word "peer" is extremely overloaded: it is a homonym which conflates all kinds of concepts. The term appears in too many training courses to be redefined to one specific meaning. On top of that, I all too often see that provisioning- or customer engineers don't have clear insight as to who is customer and who the supplier is. Even worse: a customer may assume the supplier role as part of a larger deal. While in the hallways we easily talk about simplified models on how the internet works, actually enforcing that simplification in the context of EBGP to me is undesirable. Any technology that is supposed to mitigate route leaks, should be deployable both by the "big" carriers as well as stub network at the edge and anything in between. If we end up with carriers flagging all relations as "complex" or not even enabling the capability to enjoy backwards compatible behavior, that would be no good. Perhaps if the draft would focus on merely two classifications: "stub" and "transit" networks, where the former would be an affirmation that neither party expects the "stub" network to transit prefixes for any other ASN, and transit networks would enjoy the same behavior as any ASN today, that would give a different twist to this idea. Downside is that one needs to bounce the session to become a transit provider. Or perhaps we should look for other options: I'm interested in technology that both myself and my customers can deploy. Preferably relationship agnostic, and with per prefix granularity. Any proposal that avoids explicit coordination between the two entities has a strong preference compared to requiring agreement to which number we dial up a knob. I'm somewhat torn between adopting this document as a working group document, to use it as a springboard to other ideas and hopefully end up with something more deployable before WGLC; and opposing it and simply encourage further research on what can be done (or should not be done) in "OPEN" protocol space. Secondly: the use of a path attribute vs well-known communities is still an ongoing dilemma for me. Previously I've elaborated on some pros and cons from my perspective. I'm not convinced the approach as chosen by this specification is beneficial as it doesn't easily accommodate incremental deployment within an autonomous system. Kind regards, Job > --001a11444f7820bd72055121207e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 20:06, Ruedi= ger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.. <rv@nic.dtag.de> wrote:
=C2=A0 > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-b= gp-open-policy
=C2=A0 > (5/20 to 6/3/2017)
I strongly support adoption,
and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly.


Unfortunately, as it's current= ly specified, I still cannot see my affiliation deploying this technology i= n a meaningful way.=C2=A0

The word "peer"= ; is extremely overloaded: it is a homonym which conflates all kinds of con= cepts. The term appears in too many training courses to be redefined to one= specific meaning. On top of that, I all too often see that provisioning- o= r customer engineers don't have clear insight as to who is customer and= who the supplier is. Even worse: a customer may assume the supplier role a= s part of a larger deal. While in the hallways we easily talk about simplif= ied models on how the internet works, actually enforcing that simplificatio= n in the context of EBGP to me is undesirable.=C2=A0

Any technology that is supposed to mitigate route leaks, should be deplo= yable both by the "big" carriers as well as stub network at the e= dge and anything in between. If we end up with carriers flagging all relati= ons as "complex" or not even enabling the capability to enjoy bac= kwards compatible behavior, that would be no good.=C2=A0

Perhaps if the draft would focus on merely two classifications: &quo= t;stub" and "transit" networks, where the former would be an= affirmation that neither party expects the "stub" network to tra= nsit prefixes for any other ASN, and transit networks would enjoy the same = behavior as any ASN today, that would give a different twist to this idea. = Downside is that one needs to bounce the session to become a transit provid= er.=C2=A0

Or perhaps we should look for other opti= ons: I'm interested in technology that both myself and my customers can= deploy. Preferably relationship agnostic, and with per prefix granularity.= Any proposal that avoids explicit coordination between the two entities ha= s a strong preference compared to requiring agreement to which number we di= al up a knob.

=C2=A0I'm somewhat torn between = adopting this document as a working group document, to use it as a springbo= ard to other ideas and hopefully end up with something more deployable befo= re WGLC; and opposing it and simply encourage further research on what can = be done (or should not be done) in "OPEN" protocol space.

Secondly: the use of a path attribute vs well-known commu= nities is still an ongoing dilemma for me. Previously I've elaborated o= n some pros and cons from my perspective. I'm not convinced the approac= h as chosen by this specification is beneficial as it doesn't easily ac= commodate incremental deployment within an autonomous system.=C2=A0

Kind regards,

Job
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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 16:28:22 -0000 On 6/4/17 1:59 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 20:06, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.. > > wrote: > > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy > > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) > I strongly support adoption, > and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly. > > > > Unfortunately, as it's currently specified, I still cannot see my affiliation > deploying this technology in a meaningful way. Concur. Despite a laudable goal, in its current form this technology would significantly constrain the flexibility afforded by community based policies, which are widely deployed. Attempting to "codify" the nature of relationships between autonomous systems into 4 broad categories is an oversimplification that has limited overlap with operational reality (as demonstrated by increasingly broad and expressive selection of policy communities implemented by sophisticated networks). Having to firmly constrain the nature of each relationship in advance, on a session level rather than prefix level, requires the operators to make a choice between two less than ideal alternatives: - Correctly select a conservative definition of their current relationship, reducing the operational agility if the nature changes in the future - as now both operators must agree in advance and implement a change in the definition of this relationship, flapping the session, prior to modifying policy. - Err on the side of caution and tag all sessions as "complex" to maintain that agility, eliminating the benefit of this technology. Regardless of the alternative initially chosen, it seems plausible that an autonomous system with an evolving set of roles and interconnects will find itself over time drifting toward ever more of them marked "complex" as its policy sophistication requirements evolve. Perhaps a better direction for this initiative, in lieu of BGP extension, would be toward a BCP outlining a checklist for defining the nature of each relationship as part of the on-boarding process for new interconnects - and providing some policy implementation examples for various cases. -- Sincerely yours, David Monosov From nobody Sun Jun 4 18:31:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA46124D6C; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gcq1fy-2XXtI; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x230.google.com (mail-vk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9CB9124B0A; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p62so24893752vkp.0; Sun, 04 Jun 2017 18:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=20bUqupbTHe/I3yp0dyHnImL99rqg5AQknMnh7vV6Fo=; b=qh3FQnGkui6/8kKZbLOqnrN0rhoYI4znPm6qBdm3MhK2Bz9SXxlv6PJ0qb7yVUg/UW S4MVlQmlTsLacJte9De+pBym7AIiBVIJUPjaQt4HdKR1ELkQCIQEx6K7jLNids2RGB90 TKaHmhvRzyPLJ309ToZRQAlJt9bZ3e8lFbXjYgxT/E+PZXp8HcSVHsm4ovi+uGZ2UzdT fdKtSU4FH4mP8Ch0CpTkHfTr/k/3HEh28AFiBeL3q1MIaf+9SAvvoU0XXTwFOoyH2exF GD3nLGq7Uh4aHKZ+a6RWKBrXn7Ry9oI8SpW4z5GX3u8W7sOKPDVnU86c2F7X46v4a9CN xJkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=20bUqupbTHe/I3yp0dyHnImL99rqg5AQknMnh7vV6Fo=; b=WcF/hRTfPyFhjC1EPy41twtftxbMBWcbTmmTdfc4PEt858USNXawwJX7VOeBvQo5ov bj5wlgoClBwxLMZ37CdLail8eYaHBdiVR/sGhdUCU3zwR21aWJzHC2fMpwAzZhypODsd 0m8MngkMI9a5pEyA2iSKWUZxOlvM8PXBkaSNYtWPccnK4UOCpVEl3NBXvpxcF5MDOgTi +5u+rBRf6O4yTM0glik4AK3jGLBlkQoOPg2K2xQoO3OFdq6D2qQx9HbQw7HF2YN82V3j Hrbxzryt5IEV8jDTTBbjIazNjyASDPA/jwTsmWpoymLEQy+vrANS96ZiFLcsStVzFdBx uM0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCKQdj2s/+9B1xaj1Ih/w7oNd1xRXJdvNzOkFfbs+nv57zZbzcX utOrXjiwFibtq1geG8Ha+mLKc9awAQ== X-Received: by 10.31.137.145 with SMTP id l139mr8981421vkd.39.1496626268853; Sun, 04 Jun 2017 18:31:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.23.13 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:31:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <18660_1496398338_59313A02_18660_383_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3870E@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <18660_1496398338_59313A02_18660_383_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A31D3870E@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Shyam Sethuram Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: "idr@ietf. org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "John G. Scudder" , "draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11457cc21ddc0505512c759f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [mpls] Working Group adoption call for draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 01:31:12 -0000 --001a11457cc21ddc0505512c759f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruno, Thanks for the response. Please see inline... On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:12 AM, wrote: > Dear Shyam, > > > > Thanks for the review and feedback > > Please see inline [Bruno] > > > > *From:* Shyam Sethuram [mailto:shyam.ioml@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2017 12:43 AM > *To:* John G. Scudder > *Cc:* idr@ietf. org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-decraene-idr-next-hop- > capability@bgp.nu > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption call for > draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03 > > > > Dear authors, > > > Some of the language sounds similar to that in > draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps. > Did you consider augmenting tunnel-encaps in order to signal EL by > adding a new sub-TLV ? It is a transitive attribute but it has a > Remote Endpoint sub-TLV to bind the capability to the specific nexthop. > (It may require a new "tunnel type" to represent plain MPLS nexthops.) > > [Bruno] To be honest, we have not considered using > draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps. That being said, if it=E2=80=99s a transiti= ve > attribute, it seems like a no go as this is the reason why the original E= LC > BGP attribute had been deprecated: cf this short section > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7447#section-1 > > > Yes any transitive attribute would have this issue. The tunnel-encaps solves this by encoding the nexthop address also in the Remote Endpoint sub-TLV. The receiver can then compare that with the MP_REACH nexthop and perform required validations. At a high level, I wanted to see if there was a way to avoid having two separate attributes that both essentially deal with nexthops. It is quite possible that a speaker receives both nexthop-cap and tunnel-encaps attributes for that same nexthop and has to synthesize the two data before installing into forwarding. On the other hand, tunnel-encaps has turned into a "monster attribute" with the whole kitchen sink in it; I can see a fertile breeding ground for implementation bugs :-) So I guess we'll see if anyone else has any opinion on this. Coming back to your attribute, as I said earlier w.r.t. coloring, I know atleast one usecase that wants to apply EL only to particular types of overlay traffic (for example, L2 vs L3 VPN) recursing to a given nexthop with EL capability. There are many ways to address that - a config knob, signal within the NH attribute, use the color extcomm and so on. If you have any thoughts on the same, please add it to the draft. > This would avoid the need to upgrade all the BGP speakers between egress > and ingress. tunnel-encaps also has a Color sub-TLV that can be useful, > for example, when using recursive resoltion, to select a subset of overla= y > prefixes that would actually use EL for forwarding. > > > > That said, some nitpicks: > - dependant=3D=3D>dependent; > > [Bruno] Thanks > > infact it can be totally avoided and just call it "Nexthop capabilites" > > [Bruno] Yes and that was the initial text. However, this had generated > some misunderstanding. In particular because the attribute is not > advertising the capability of the Next-Hop, but capability of this Next-H= op > _for the routes advertised with this capability. In particular, one > Next-Hop may advertise different capabilities for different routes. This = is > in needed for the Entropy Label Capability, as this ELC is FEC specific. > > That being said, I=E2=80=99m not that happy with the wording =E2=80=9CNex= t-Hop dependent > capability=E2=80=9D, hence any other suggestion is welcomed. > > > - that said, it would be better to avoid reusing the term "Capabilities" > for this > attribute though I understand you are trying to draw a parallel with > session capabilities > > [Bruno] Indeed, I was trying to draw a parallel with session capability. > Could you elaborate on why the term =E2=80=9CCapabilities=E2=80=9D is not= optimal? Would > you have alternate suggestion? > I don't have a strong opinion on this, it just seemed odd to reuse terminology from the base spec for a different purpose. I guess we can call it nexthop-properties or nexthop-forwarding-info or some such thing. No big deal, it's just a nit. thanks--shyam > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > --Bruno > > > > thanks--shyam > > > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, John G. Scudder wrote: > > Hi All, > > IDR working group adoption has been requested for > draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability-03. Please send your comments to > the IDR mailing list before June 2, 2017. Please remember that we need > affirmative support in order to adopt the draft, so don't be shy. > > draft datatracker page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > doc/draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability/ > slides from IETF-98: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides- > 98-idr-08-bgp-next-hop-dependent-capabilities-00.pdf > > Since in part this draft specifies a replacement for the Entropy Label > Capability Attribute (ELCA) that was defined by the MPLS WG in RFC 6790 a= nd > deprecated by RFC 7447, I have cc'd the MPLS WG mailing list. Since the > proposed new attribute is a generic container with the ELCA replacement > just the first application, the current draft is targeted to IDR and not > MPLS (this was discussed during IETF-93). > > Thanks, > > --John > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages = electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme o= u falsifie. 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Hi Bruno,

Thanks for the response. Please see i= nline...


On F= ri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:12 AM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Dear = Shyam,

=C2=A0

Thank= s for the review and feedback

Pleas= e see inline [Bruno]

=C2=A0

From: Shyam Sethur= am [mailto:shyam.= ioml@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 12:43 AM
To: John G. Scudder
Cc: idr@ietf. org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capability@bg= p.nu
Subject: Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption call for draft-decraene-i= dr-next-hop-capability-03

=C2=A0

Dear authors,


Some of the language sounds similar to that in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps= .
Did you consider augmenting tunnel-encaps in order to signal EL by
adding a new sub-TLV ? It is a transitive attribute but it has a
Remote Endpoint sub-TLV to bind the capability to the specific nexthop.
(It may require a new "tunnel type" to represent plain MPLS nexth= ops.)

[Brun= o] To be honest, we have not considered using draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.= That being said, if it=E2=80=99s a transitive attribute, it seems like a no go as this is the reason why the original ELC BGP attribute had been = deprecated: cf this short section https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7447#section-1

= =C2=A0

Yes any transitive attribute would have this issue. The tunnel-= encaps
solves this by encoding the nexthop address also in the Remote En= dpoint
sub-TLV. The receiver can then compare that with the MP_REACH nex= thop
and perform required validations.

At a hig= h level, I wanted to see if there was a way to avoid
having two separate= attributes that both essentially deal with nexthops.
It is quite= possible that a speaker receives both nexthop-cap and tunnel-encaps
<= div>attributes for that same=C2=A0nexthop and has to synthesize the two dat= a before
installing into forwarding. On the other hand, tunnel-en= caps has turned into a
"monster attribute" with the whole kitc= hen sink in it; I can see a fertile
breeding ground for implementation b= ugs :-)
So I guess we'll see if anyone else has any opini= on on this.

Coming back to your attribute, as I sa= id earlier w.r.t. coloring, I know
atleast one usecase that wants to app= ly EL only to particular
types of overlay traffic (for example, L2 vs L3= VPN) recursing to
a given nexthop with EL capability. There are many wa= ys to
address that - a config knob, signal within the NH attribute, use = the
color extcomm and so on. If you have any thoughts on the same,
pl= ease add it to the draft.

=C2=A0

This would avoid the need to up= grade all the BGP speakers between egress
and ingress. tunnel-encaps also has a Color sub-TLV that can be useful,
for example, when using recursive resoltion, to select a subset of overlay<= br> prefixes that would actually use EL for forwarding.

=C2=A0

That said, some nitpicks:
- dependant=3D=3D>dependent;=

infact it can be totally avoide= d and just call it "Nexthop capabilites"

That = being said, I=E2=80=99m not that happy with the wording =E2=80=9CNext-Hop d= ependent capability=E2=80=9D, hence any other suggestion is welcomed.


- that said, it would be better to avoid reusing the term "Capabilitie= s" for this
attribute though I understand you are trying to draw a parallel with
session capabilities

=C2=A0

Thank= s,

Regar= ds,

--Bru= no

=C2=A0

thanks--shyam

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, John G. Scudder <= ;jgs@juniper.net&g= t; wrote:

Hi All,

IDR working group adoption has been requested for draft-decraene-idr-next-h= op-capability-03. Please send your comments to the IDR mailing list be= fore June 2, 2017. Please remember that we need affirmative support in orde= r to adopt the draft, so don't be shy.

draft datatracker page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-decraene-idr-next-hop-capa= bility/
slides from IETF-98: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-idr-08-bgp-n= ext-hop-dependent-capabilities-00.pdf

Since in part this draft specifies a replacement for the Entropy Label Capa= bility Attribute (ELCA) that was defined by the MPLS WG in RFC 6790 and dep= recated by RFC 7447, I have cc'd the MPLS WG mailing list. Since the pr= oposed new attribute is a generic container with the ELCA replacement just the first application, the current draft is= targeted to IDR and not MPLS (this was discussed during IETF-93).

Thanks,

--John
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mpls mailing list
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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:58:58 -0000 --f403045e56ac5cf18f055138947b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Support WG adoption. Thanks -Pushpasis On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) > > > > The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related to this > document. You can find the document at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy/ > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --f403045e56ac5cf18f055138947b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support WG adoption.=C2=A0

Thanks
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-Pushpasis

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Susan Hares &l= t;shares@ndzh.com&= gt; wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-ym= bk-idr-bgp-open-policy (5/20 to 6/3/2017)

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The authors should i= ndicate if they know of any IPR related to this document.=C2=A0 You can fin= d the document at:

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https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy/

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Sue Har= es

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--f403045e56ac5cf18f055138947b-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 11:46:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A40129BAD for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 11:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbEHlK_ylac7 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 11:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF04B129536 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 11:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.15.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Pushpasis Sarkar'" , "'idr wg'" References: <149647515037.31831.17010061937941898751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <011801d2de2b$33ff3910$9bfdab30$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0119_01D2DE09.ACED9910" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQCZWZI0CLTPSZeXDBrePRhOdu1xNgIjIVnApHiJvPA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 18:46:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01D2DE09.ACED9910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pushpasis:=20 =20 Thank you for the request. We=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC this week. I = just want to close out a few WG LC calls.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pushpasis Sarkar Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 3:38 AM To: idr wg Subject: [Idr] Fwd: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt =20 Hi All, =20 Just submitted another version after bumping up the version number to = avoid expiration. =20 Hi Chairs, =20 We would like to ask for WGLC for this draft. We haven't received any = comments in a long time and we think it is quite in shape for the last = call. =20 Thanks and regards, -Pushpasis =20 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:02 PM Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt To: Pushpasis Sarkar , Hannes Gredler = , Stephane Litkowski A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Pushpasis Sarkar and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension Revision: 01 Title: Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP Link-State = Advertisements Document date: 2017-06-04 Group: idr Pages: 11 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag= -extension-01.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-ext= ension/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extensio= n-01 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-ta= g-extension-01 Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-= extension-01 Abstract: This document describes the protocol extensions to collect node administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisements and disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement protocol, to facilitate inter-AS TE applications that may need the same node administrative tags to associate a subset of network devices spanning across more than one AS with a specific functionality. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01D2DE09.ACED9910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pushpasis:

 

Thank you for the request. =C2=A0We=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC this = week.=C2=A0 I just want to close out a few WG LC calls. =

 

Sue

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pushpasis = Sarkar
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 3:38 AM
To: idr = wg
Subject: [Idr] Fwd: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt

 

Hi All,

 

Just submitted another version after bumping up =  the version number to avoid = expiration.

 

Hi Chairs,

 

We would like to ask for WGLC for this draft. We = haven't received any comments in a long time and we think it is quite in = shape for the last call.

 

Thanks and regards,

-Pushpasis

 

---------- Forwarded message = ----------
From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>=
Date: Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:02 PM
Subject: New Version = Notification for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt
To: Pushpasis = Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>= , Hannes Gredler <hannes@rtbrick.com>, Stephane = Litkowski <stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om>



A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt
has been = successfully submitted by Pushpasis Sarkar and posted to the
IETF = repository.

Name:          =  draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension
Revision:  =      01
Title:          = Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP Link-State Advertisements
Document = date:  2017-06-04
Group:          = idr
Pages:          11
URL:    =         https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-bgp= -ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01.txt
Status:      =    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-= node-admin-tag-extension/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-= admin-tag-extension-01
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bg= p-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
Diff:        =    https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-= ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01

Abstract:
   This = document describes the protocol extensions to collect node
  =  administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisements = and
   disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement = protocol, to
   facilitate inter-AS TE applications that = may need the same node
   administrative tags to associate = a subset of network devices spanning
   across more than = one AS with a specific functionality.





Please note = that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat

 

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engine=8.0.1-1703280000 definitions=main-1706070162 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [IPFIX] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:53:43 -0000 --------------15A4C26C3A4803534CADE22A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting. Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications: * 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F) * 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G) * 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I) P. On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote: > about question 1， the message length. > A WG > draft,https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ > , > extends the maximum update message sizeof BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, > one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities > related to a specific flow. BGP speakers > that support the extended message feature > SHOULD takecare to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in theIPFIX message. The collector that > receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities > contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited messagespace. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communitiesto be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities. > > To solve this problem completely, we should update > IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to supportmessage splitting. > > Your comments are appreciated. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com --------------15A4C26C3A4803534CADE22A Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting.

Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications:

* 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F)
* 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G)
* 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I)

P.


On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote:
about question 1， the message length. 
A WG draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/, extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers that support the extended message feature SHOULD take care to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in the IPFIX message. The collector that receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited message space. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communities to be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities.

To solve this problem completely, we should update IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to support message splitting.

Your comments are appreciated.

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RULEID:(22001)(201702061074)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322274)(1601125374)(1603101448)(1701031045); SRVR:SG2APC01HT183; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(444000031); SRVR:SG2APC01HT183; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:SG2APC01HT183; x-forefront-prvs: 0332AACBC3 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_HK2PR0601MB1361016F598133FDC59C8E1DFCC90HK2PR0601MB1361_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Jun 2017 05:25:47.7427 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SG2APC01HT183 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 05:25:56 -0000 --_000_HK2PR0601MB1361016F598133FDC59C8E1DFCC90HK2PR0601MB1361_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, This doc, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-mess= ages/, extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyon= d 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP = based and TCP relys on IP to do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But= IP fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the network due to s= ecurity rules or to improve the tansport preformance. So sometimes the BGP= speakers may not receive some fragmented extended update messgaes. This de= ployment problem should be considered. Best Regards, ________________________________ li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com --_000_HK2PR0601MB1361016F598133FDC59C8E1DFCC90HK2PR0601MB1361_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <069E0448728E564595DF5B41A3A510D6@apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

This doc, ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/,&n= bsp;extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes = to 65535 bytes. My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP to= do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But IP fragmented packets =  may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve= the tansport preformance.  So sometimes the BGP speakers may not receive some fragmented= extended update messgaes. This deployment problem should be considered.

Best Regards,
li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
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Hi,

Wou= ldn't TCP simply retransmit missing data if drops are accidental ?

If drops are "by design= " due to as you said security rules I am afraid such path is not going= to carry BGP session.

/= /RR.




On Jun 8, 2017 07:26, = "li zhenqiang" <li= _zhenqiang@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

This doc,=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/,=C2=A0extends=C2=A0the= =C2=A0maximum=C2=A0update=C2=A0message=C2=A0size=C2=A0of=C2= =A0BGP=C2=A0beyond=C2=A04096=C2=A0bytes=C2=A0to=C2=A065535=C2=A0bytes. My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP to= do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But IP fragmented packets=C2=A0= =C2=A0may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve= the tansport preformance.=C2=A0=C2=A0So sometimes=C2=A0the BGP speakers may not receive some fragmented exten= ded update messgaes. This deployment problem should be considered.

Best Regards,

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boundary="f403045d8fc05b33be05516eabd0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:32:02 -0000 --f403045d8fc05b33be05516eabd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > This issue is specific to BGP extended message I don't think so. Today max BGP message size is 4K and typical WAN MTU 1500 bytes. So it may get fragmented anyway. If TCP keeps retransmitting same or resized segment and reaches max retransmissions value the connection will be terminated. //R. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:14 AM, li zhenqiang wrote: > Yes, TCP will retransmit the missing data. But IP fragmentation will occu= r > again if the BGP message size isn't cut down. The receiver can't get the > missing data. > This issue is specific to BGP extended message because the extended updat= e > message may be fragmented by IP when it traverses the network from the > source to the destination. BGP messages don't need to be fragmented by IP > have no such problem. > > Best Regards, > ------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk > *Date:* 2017-06-08 14:41 > *To:* li zhenqiang > *CC:* draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all > ; idr wg > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages > Hi, > > Wouldn't TCP simply retransmit missing data if drops are accidental ? > > If drops are "by design" due to as you said security rules I am afraid > such path is not going to carry BGP session. > > //RR. > > > > > On Jun 8, 2017 07:26, "li zhenqiang" wrote: > > Hello, > > This doc, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext > ended-messages/ > > , extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 655= 35 bytes. > My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP t= o > do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But IP fragmented packets may > be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improv= e > the tansport preformance. So sometimes the BGP speakers may not receive > some fragmented extended update messgaes. This deployment problem should = be > considered. > > Best Regards, > ------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > --f403045d8fc05b33be05516eabd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> This issue is specific to BGP extended message<= /span>

I don't think so. Today = max BGP message size is 4K and typical WAN MTU 1500 bytes. So it may get fr= agmented anyway.=C2=A0

If TCP keep= s retransmitting same or resized segment and reaches max retransmissions va= lue the connection will be terminated.=C2=A0

<= /div>
//R.


<= /div>

On Thu, Jun = 8, 2017 at 9:14 AM, li zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Yes, TCP will retransmit the missing data. But IP fragmen= tation will occur again if the BGP message size isn't cut down. The rec= eiver can't get the missing data.
This issue is specific to BGP extended message because the extended up= date message may be fragmented by IP when it traverses the network from the= source to the destination. BGP messages don't need to be fragmented by= IP have no such problem.

Best Regards,
=C2=A0
Robert Raszuk
Date:=C2=A02017-06-08=C2=A014:41
To:=C2=A0li zhenqiang
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-= messages
Hi,

Wouldn't TCP simply retransmit missing data if drops = are accidental ?

If drops are "by design" due to as you said sec= urity rules I am afraid such path is not going to carry BGP session.

//RR.




On Jun 8, 2017 07:26, "li zhenqiang" &= lt;li_zhenqia= ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

This doc,=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/,=C2=A0extends=C2=A0the=C2=A0= maximum=C2=A0update=C2=A0message=C2=A0size=C2=A0of=C2= =A0BGP=C2=A0beyond=C2=A04096=C2=A0bytes=C2=A0to=C2=A065535=C2=A0bytes. My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP to= do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But IP fragmented packets=C2=A0= =C2=A0may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve= the tansport preformance.=C2=A0=C2=A0So sometimes=C2=A0the BGP speakers may not receive some fragmented exten= ded update messgaes. This deployment problem should be considered.

Best Regards,

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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm5470986wmb.13.2017.06.08.03.45.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Jun 2017 03:45:14 -0700 (PDT) To: li zhenqiang , PJ Aitken , opsawg , idr , "ipfix@ietf.org" References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <97e66319-19bf-58f7-8fdc-7a0b62c5caa3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:45:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [IPFIX] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:45:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you stick with UDP, and there are good reasons to do that, maybe we need a fragmentation shim for UDP? Stewart On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang wrote: > Hello Mr. Aitken, > > Thank you very much for your suggestion. > I have no perfect idea now. Extending the length of IPFIX message is a > simple method. But do we need to take the transport protocol into > account? Although SCTP is mandatory, some IPFIX implementations use > TCP or UDP as their transport protocol. SCTP provides message > fragmentation and reassembly method, neithor TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP > rely on IP to finish this work. IP fragmented packets may be droped by > some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve the > tansport preformance. For the implementations using TCP or UDP as > their transport protocol, sometimes they may not receive some > fragmented IPFIX messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 > bits. I think BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ > also > has the same issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask for > their opinions. > > Best Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > *From:* PJ Aitken > *Date:* 2017-06-07 17:53 > *To:* li zhenqiang ; opsawg > ; idr ; > ipfix@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP > community information in IPFIX > What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in > mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors > which do not expect message splitting. > > Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to > send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of > IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications: > > * 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F) > * 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 > / Figure G) > * 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I) > > P. > > > On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote: >> about question 1， the message length. >> A WG >> draft,https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ >> , >> extends the maximum update message sizeof BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, >> one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the >> communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers >> that support the extended message feature >> SHOULD takecare to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in theIPFIX message. The collector that >> receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities >> contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited messagespace. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communitiesto be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities. >> >> To solve this problem completely, we should update >> IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to supportmessage splitting. >> >> Your comments are appreciated. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If you stick with UDP, and there are good reasons to do that, maybe we need a fragmentation shim for UDP?

Stewart


On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang wrote:
Hello  Mr. Aitken,

Thank you very much for your suggestion.
I have no perfect idea now. Extending the length of IPFIX message is a simple method. But do we need to take the transport protocol into account? Although SCTP is mandatory, some IPFIX implementations use TCP or UDP as their transport protocol. SCTP provides message fragmentation and reassembly method, neithor TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP rely on IP to finish this work. IP fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve the tansport preformance. For the implementations using TCP or UDP as their transport protocol, sometimes they may not receive some fragmented IPFIX messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 bits. I think BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ also has the same issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask for their opinions.

Best Regards,

 
From: PJ Aitken
Date: 2017-06-07 17:53
Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX
What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting.

Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications:

* 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F)
* 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G)
* 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I)

P.


On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote:
about question 1， the message length. 
A WG draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/, extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers that support the extended message feature SHOULD take care to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in the IPFIX message. The collector that receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited message space. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communities to be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities.

To solve this problem completely, we should update IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to support message splitting.

Your comments are appreciated.



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Our circuits (usually emulated ones) are guaranteed to carry 1500 byte packets regardless of routers used on both ends. //R On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:05 AM, li zhenqiang wrote: > I checked the configurations of some routers in my product network. The > WAN MTU for Juniper's routers is 4484, and 4470 for Huawei's routers. > > ------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk > *Date:* 2017-06-08 16:30 > *To:* li zhenqiang > *CC:* draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all > ; idr > *Subject:* Re: Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages > > This issue is specific to BGP extended message > > I don't think so. Today max BGP message size is 4K and typical WAN MTU > 1500 bytes. So it may get fragmented anyway. > > If TCP keeps retransmitting same or resized segment and reaches max > retransmissions value the connection will be terminated. > > //R. > > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:14 AM, li zhenqiang > wrote: > >> Yes, TCP will retransmit the missing data. But IP fragmentation will >> occur again if the BGP message size isn't cut down. The receiver can't g= et >> the missing data. >> This issue is specific to BGP extended message because the extended >> update message may be fragmented by IP when it traverses the network fro= m >> the source to the destination. BGP messages don't need to be fragmented = by >> IP have no such problem. >> >> Best Regards, >> ------------------------------ >> li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com >> >> >> *From:* Robert Raszuk >> *Date:* 2017-06-08 14:41 >> *To:* li zhenqiang >> *CC:* draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all >> ; idr wg >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages >> Hi, >> >> Wouldn't TCP simply retransmit missing data if drops are accidental ? >> >> If drops are "by design" due to as you said security rules I am afraid >> such path is not going to carry BGP session. >> >> //RR. >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 8, 2017 07:26, "li zhenqiang" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This doc, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext >> ended-messages/ >> >> , extends the maximum update message size of >> BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. My comment is about its transport. >> BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP to do fragmentation and reassembly = if >> needed. But IP fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the >> network due to security rules or to improve the tansport preformance. S= o >> sometimes the BGP speakers may not receive some fragmented extended >> update messgaes. This deployment problem should be considered. >> >> Best Regards, >> ------------------------------ >> li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >> >> >> > --001a1140b17cbd595505517163cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, but= MTU is not dependent on the router vendor, but on the circuits specificati= ons you get from carriers to construct your WAN. Our circuits (usually emul= ated ones) are guaranteed to carry 1500 byte packets regardless of routers = used on both ends.=C2=A0

//R

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:05 AM, li zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmai= l.com> wrote:
I checked the configurations of some routers =C2=A0in my = product network. The WAN MTU for Juniper's routers is 4484, and 4470 fo= r Huawei's routers.

=C2=A0
Robert Raszuk
Date:=C2=A02017-06-08=C2=A016:30
To:=C2=A0li zhenqiang
Subject:=C2=A0Re: Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bg= p-extended-messages
> This iss= ue is specific to BGP extended message

I don't t= hink so. Today max BGP message size is 4K and typical WAN MTU 1500 bytes. S= o it may get fragmented anyway.=C2=A0

If TCP keeps = retransmitting same or resized segment and reaches max retransmissions valu= e the connection will be terminated.=C2=A0

//R.



On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:14 AM, li zhenqiang <li_zhenqi= ang@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, TCP will retransmit the missing data. But IP fragmen= tation will occur again if the BGP message size isn't cut down. The rec= eiver can't get the missing data.
This issue is specific to BGP extended message because the extended up= date message may be fragmented by IP when it traverses the network from the= source to the destination. BGP messages don't need to be fragmented by= IP have no such problem.

Best Regards,
=C2=A0
Robert Raszuk
Date:=C2=A02017-06-08=C2=A014:41
To:=C2=A0li zhenqiang
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-= messages
Hi,

Wouldn't TCP simply retransmit missing data if drops = are accidental ?

If drops are "by design" due to as you said sec= urity rules I am afraid such path is not going to carry BGP session.

//RR.




On Jun 8, 2017 07:26, "li zhenqiang" &= lt;li_zhenqia= ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

This doc,=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/,=C2=A0extends=C2=A0the=C2=A0= maximum=C2=A0update=C2=A0message=C2=A0size=C2=A0of=C2=A0BGP=C2=A0beyond=C2=A04096=C2=A0bytes=C2=A0to=C2=A065535=C2=A0bytes. My comment is about its transport. BGP is TCP based and TCP relys on IP to= do fragmentation and reassembly if needed. But IP fragmented packets=C2=A0= =C2=A0may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve= the tansport preformance.=C2=A0=C2=A0So sometimes=C2=A0the BGP speakers may not receive some fragmented exten= ded update messgaes. This deployment problem should be considered.

Best Regards,

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--001a1140b17cbd595505517163cf-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 10:45:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C8E126DCA; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9sOJlXhVswe5; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE4131270AC; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all@ietf.org Received: from crumpet.foobar.org (089-101-070074.ntlworld.ie [89.101.70.74] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v58HjKWx057120 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:45:20 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host 089-101-070074.ntlworld.ie [89.101.70.74] (may be forged) claimed to be crumpet.foobar.org Message-ID: <59398D2F.6020709@foobar.org> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:45:19 +0100 From: Nick Hilliard User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.14 (Macintosh/20170515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Raszuk CC: idr , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:45:26 -0000 Robert Raszuk wrote: > Sorry, but MTU is not dependent on the router vendor, but on the > circuits specifications you get from carriers to construct your WAN. Our > circuits (usually emulated ones) are guaranteed to carry 1500 byte > packets regardless of routers used on both ends. mtu is dependent on both the router interface characteristics and the underlying circuit characteristics: it's not just vendor-dependent, it's specific to the hardware used on the particular interface. I don't think this fragmentation argument is very important in the context of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages because BGP is just sending out data in a tcp stream, and the MTU management is handled at the TCP level. So TCP won't attempt to put a 65535-byte update message into a single TCP packet which is then fragmented; it will stream out a series of packets of packetlen=MTU until the update has been fully transmitted. This behaviour is confirmed in rfc4271, section 3: > BGP uses TCP [RFC793] as its transport protocol. This eliminates the > need to implement explicit update fragmentation, retransmission, > acknowledgement, and sequencing. Fragmentation happens occasionally in practice if there is a path mtu mismatch between sender and receiver bgp speaker. Generally speaking, if it happens and there's a problem with transmitting the fragments, then the bgp session will fail outright because most bgp implementations will bundle lots of updates into a single TCP packet of size == MTU. I.e. the concern that was raised is not an actual problem. 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Thank yo= u, Mr. Bryant and Mr. Aitken.

SCTP is mandatory f= or IPFIX, TCP and UDP are optional. 
SCTP is ok for large I= PFIX message because SCTP provides message fragmentation and reassemb= ly method. 

Accord= ing to the discussion in the IDR mail list, TCP is also ok for large IPFIX= message. When TCP gets the large message from IPFIX, it cuts the message = into segments according to the MTU or MSS of the exporter. the ICMP me= ssages necessary for path MTU detection may be bl= ocked by some nodes in the path. So when fragmentation = happens occasionally in practice, the operator has to do = something to solve this, such as by configuring the MTU or MSS on the = ;exporter small enough to avoid IP fragmentation.
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If UDP is used by IPFIX as transport protocol, which means in t= his case the IPFIX is transaction oriented, = it doesn't care about delivery and duplicate protection. So, I think in this case we don't need to provide any = fragmentation and reassembly method for IPFIX. 

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Date: 2017-06-08 18:45
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Subj= ect: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community i= nformation in IPFIX
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If you stick with UDP, and there= are good reasons to do that,=0A maybe we need a fragmentation shim f= or UDP?
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=0A On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang=0A wro= te:
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Hello  Mr. Aitken,
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Thank you very much for your sug= gestion.
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I have no perfect idea now. Extending the leng= th of IPFIX=0A message is a simple method. But do we need to take t= he transport=0A protocol into account? Although SCTP is mandatory, = some IPFIX=0A implementations use TCP or UDP as their transport pro= tocol. SCTP=0A provides message fragmentation and reassembly method= , neithor=0A TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP rely on IP to finish this wor= k. IP=0A fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the netw= ork=0A due to security rules or to improve the tansport preformance= .=0A For the implementations using TCP or UDP as their transport=0A= protocol, sometimes they may not receive some fragmented IPFIX=0A = messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 bits. I think=0A = BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ also=0A has the same= issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask=0A for their opin= ions.
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Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] di= scussion about=0A exporting BGP community information in IPFI= X
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=0A What IPFIX message=0A s= plitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it=0A must= be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which=0A do n= ot expect message splitting.
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=0A Rather t= han splitting messages, it might be acceptable=0A simply to sen= d longer messages. I think this would require a=0A new version = of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following=0A modifications:<= br>=0A
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=0A * 32 bit Field = Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC=0A 7011 / Figure = G)
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On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang=0A wrote:
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about question 1=EF=BC=8C the message length.=  
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A WG draft,<= /span>=0A https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-mes= sages/, extends the = maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes&nbs= p;to 65535 bytes. So,=0A one IPFIX message may not be= sufficient to fit all the=0A communities related to a sp= ecific flow. BGP speakers t= hat support the extended message=0A f= eature SHOULD take care to handle the&nb= sp;IPFIX message properly, such as only conv= ey as many communities as possible in t= he IPFIX message. The collector that=0Ar= eceives an IPFIX message with maximum length=  and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be=  aware of the BGP communities may be&nb= sp;truncated due to limited message spac= e. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to&n= bsp;configure export policy on the exporter = to limit the BGP communities to be&= nbsp;exported, to export only some specific = communities, for example, or not to export&n= bsp;some communities.
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To solve this problem compl= etely,=0A we should update IPFIX Protocol Speci= fication RFC7011=0A to support message splitting.
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Your comments are appreciated.
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=0A =0A= =0A ------=_001_NextPart733102238288_=------ From nobody Fri Jun 9 00:37:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE6D129524 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:37:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 031Z9Nys8mM3 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 510B1129505 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: idr@ietf.org Received: from crumpet.foobar.org (089-101-070074.ntlworld.ie [89.101.70.74] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v597bUku057447 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:37:30 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host 089-101-070074.ntlworld.ie [89.101.70.74] (may be forged) claimed to be crumpet.foobar.org Message-ID: <593A5039.7060202@foobar.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 08:37:29 +0100 From: Nick Hilliard User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.14 (Macintosh/20170515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li zhenqiang CC: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" , robert , idr References: , , , , In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] comment on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:37:42 -0000 li zhenqiang wrote: > So when fragmentation happens occasionally in practice, the operator has > to do something to solve this, such as by configuring the MTU or MSS on > the BGP speaker small enough to avoid IP fragmentation. yes, precisely. It happens during normal BGP operation from time to time and is certainly annoying, but most operational people have run it at one time or another. 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I count = two people (John D and Stefano P) who unequivocally support advancement, = one (Lou B) who does "but after addressing some comments" (which haven't = yet been addressed) and one (Job S) who is opposed until implementation = experience is documented. Xiaohu also provided a comment which I take to = be a request to update the document, Randy commented on the thread but = without taking a position. Given both the number of points surfaced (primarily though not only in = the extended exchange between Eric and Lou) and the small number of WG = members who responded, I think we can't advance the document yet. What follows is a wall of text (sorry) where I try to capture the open = items arising from the WGLC discussion. I'd like to suggest the authors = (and in some cases, WG) address these, at which point we can retry the = WGLC. If it turns out meeting time is needed in Prague for discussion, = that's a possibility.=20 I've taken the liberty of tagging suggested action items. Individuals = "(AI: Eric)", "(AI: Lou)", "(AI: Acee)" should be obvious, I've also = tagged some "(AI: WG)" where it seems to me that there's a fundamental = disagreement between two people (all Lou and Eric, actually) and nobody = else has weighed in. If these aren't resolved by further discussion = prior to the next WGLC, you can expect them to be called out in the WGLC = poll at that time, so that we can at least know that people have been = made aware of the issue before they express their preference for = document advancement. So for these, the AI to the WG is to review the = discussion, understand the issue, and chime in as you see fit. Thanks, --John WGLC summary ------------ Implementations --------------- There was a request for reporting of implementations.=20 - Job Snijders created a wiki stub (thanks!) to hold implementation = reports, see = https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps%20impleme= ntations.=20 - Lou Berger reported a partial implementation = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18155.html). I = added a link and quote to the wiki.=20 - Acee commented = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18199.html) that = "Cisco is supporting Tunnel Attribute parsing and propagation as well as = the TE-Policy tunnel type in an unreleased version of IOS-XR" and = promised to update the wiki, but hasn't yet. Acee, if you need help with = that, please let me know. (AI: Acee) - Eric commented = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18200.html) that = "Juniper also has an implementation of various parts of the draft, as = needed to support the segment-routing-te-policy draft. Some other parts = of the draft have also been implemented as well." - Stefano said = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18225.html) "this = draft defines the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute for which a new tunnel = type (SR Policy) has been defined, as well as additional TLVs, by = draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy and for which we have an = implementation". As Job correctly observed, IDR tradition doesn't strictly require = implementations in order to complete WGLC, but it's perfectly reasonable = for WG participants to predicate their support on implementation. = Besides, since we do need implementation before sending the document to = the IESG, we're going to need to clear this up no later than immediately = following WGLC completion. Given nobody has claimed anything other than "partial" support I think = we have not heard the last of this question. Given the lack of = enthusiasm for reporting implementation status, I don't feel optimistic = that self-reporting will result in much detail. A volunteer to help = produce a more structured implementation report would be great. If not, = this will fall to the chairs to do or delegate as time allows. Other Issues ------------ Xiaohu ------ Xiaohu commented = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18182.html) "Since = the NVGRE header has a protocol field, it seems unnecessary to add the = fake MAC header when encapsulating IP packets over NVGRE in the = inter-subnet scenario, as described in = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00#page-3)= ."=20 Eric replied = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18205.html) "The = intention of section 3.2.3 (NVGRE) in the tunnel encaps draft is to = provide the encapsulation information that is needed to form an NVGRE = encapsulation as specified in RFC 7637. If I'm understanding correctly, = the draft cited above is an extension to or modification of RFC 7637, = but was never adopted. Am I wrong about that?". Unless Xiaohu has more = to say, I'm considering the issue closed. Lou --- Lou Berger opened a number of issues = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18155.html). = Discussion of these dominated the WGLC. I tried to follow the discussion = for each and summarize below. (The below is not a complete set of = quotations, just headlines.) "1. I think this document needs to cover its impact on RF5566." After quite a long discussion, Eric agreed = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) to add = the following, proposed by Lou: > How about something adding something like the following to section 1 >=20 > RFC5566 uses the mechanisms defined in RFC5512, while this document = replaces RFC5512 > it does not address how the tunnel types defined in RFC5566 can be = used with SAFIs other > than the Encapsulation SAFI. "2. WRT the Encapsulation Extended Community. I find the following rule very hard to parse:" There was a back-and-forth ending with a proposal from Lou = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18173.html = modified by = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18177.html, = modified text shown): > How about replacing the quoted paragraph with: > =20 > An Encapsulation Extended Community MUST be included when a = barebones > Tunnel TLV is used to identify a tunnel type. The corresponding > barebones > Tunnel Encapsulation attribute MAY be omitted in this case. >=20 > BTW our implementation always includes a "barebones" Encapsulation > Extended Community ;-) I believe this ended with "Well we disagree." = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18195.html). The = issue is open. (AI: WG) "3. I'm not sure why the color sub-tlv is still needed. why not just use the Color Extended Community alone?" There was a long exchange on this with Lou taking the position that the = ability to advertise multiple tunnel types in a single update represents = unnecessary complexity and Eric taking the position that it's a = reasonable optimization. Lou and Eric clearly understood each other's = points but disagreed. Lou provided the caveat that if the mechanism is = already being used then his objection is withdrawn, however nobody has = said it's being used so presumably the objection stands. The authors clearly don't believe a change is warranted, equally clearly = Lou is unconvinced. The issue is open. (AI: WG) There was a secondary point raised as part of the exchange = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18173.html), I = will call this 3.a: 3.a. " If this is kept, it seems like there's some special aggregation = rules that could apply." This ended with = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) "Since = we don't currently know what policies might be needed by a future = application, we can't specify them now." As far as I can tell this issue = is closed. "4. In section 12.4, values should be defined by this document of the newly established Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs registry." Back-and-forth, agreement to defer. FWIW, I concur that it's fine to = specify values inline for a new registry (this is not OK for existing = registries of course), although it's also acceptable to wait and have = IANA do it if there's no pressing need. "5. Nit: the document says "This document deprecates the Encapsulation SAFI (which has never been used)". The use part of this statement isn't strictly true" This stands at Lou agreeing it's OK to leave the text as is if desired, = Eric asked Lou "Was there ever a production deployment? I'm sure the = IESG will ultimately grill me on this, so I would like to get the facts = right." I haven't seen a response from Lou on-list. (AI: Lou) "(new issue 6) In looking at the google doc, I was reminded of a deficiency of in 5512 that still exists in the wg draft. Neither ever define the format of the Tunnel TLV." 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03333C607F spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jun 2017 20:08:02.5290 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR05MB2362 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group last call for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-04 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:08:08 -0000 Thanks, Acee. However, let's plan to do another WGLC when the open items ha= ve been addressed. At minimum there is an update needed for the agreed chan= ge.=20 I don't see any reason a long time has to elapse before we do the repeat WG= LC, but this one is now closed.=20 --John=20 > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > Hi John,=20 >=20 > As the owner an AI, I support publication as well. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 >=20 > On 6/9/17, 2:16 PM, "Idr on behalf of John G. Scudder" > wrote: >=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> At present we don't have demonstrated consensus to advance the document. >> Other than the three authors (whose support can be assumed unless they >> disclaim it, as far as I'm concerned, so there's really no need for >> "support as co-author" statements, thanks for not sending them!) I count >> two people (John D and Stefano P) who unequivocally support advancement, >> one (Lou B) who does "but after addressing some comments" (which haven't >> yet been addressed) and one (Job S) who is opposed until implementation >> experience is documented. Xiaohu also provided a comment which I take to >> be a request to update the document, Randy commented on the thread but >> without taking a position. >>=20 >> Given both the number of points surfaced (primarily though not only in >> the extended exchange between Eric and Lou) and the small number of WG >> members who responded, I think we can't advance the document yet. >>=20 >> What follows is a wall of text (sorry) where I try to capture the open >> items arising from the WGLC discussion. I'd like to suggest the authors >> (and in some cases, WG) address these, at which point we can retry the >> WGLC. If it turns out meeting time is needed in Prague for discussion, >> that's a possibility. >>=20 >> I've taken the liberty of tagging suggested action items. Individuals >> "(AI: Eric)", "(AI: Lou)", "(AI: Acee)" should be obvious, I've also >> tagged some "(AI: WG)" where it seems to me that there's a fundamental >> disagreement between two people (all Lou and Eric, actually) and nobody >> else has weighed in. If these aren't resolved by further discussion prio= r >> to the next WGLC, you can expect them to be called out in the WGLC poll >> at that time, so that we can at least know that people have been made >> aware of the issue before they express their preference for document >> advancement. So for these, the AI to the WG is to review the discussion, >> understand the issue, and chime in as you see fit. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> --John >>=20 >>=20 >> WGLC summary >> ------------ >>=20 >> Implementations >> --------------- >>=20 >> There was a request for reporting of implementations. >> - Job Snijders created a wiki stub (thanks!) to hold implementation >> reports, see=20 >> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps%20imple= me >> ntations.=20 >> - Lou Berger reported a partial implementation >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18155.html). I >> added a link and quote to the wiki. >> - Acee commented=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18199.html) that >> "Cisco is supporting Tunnel Attribute parsing and propagation as well as >> the TE-Policy tunnel type in an unreleased version of IOS-XR" and >> promised to update the wiki, but hasn't yet. Acee, if you need help with >> that, please let me know. (AI: Acee) >> - Eric commented=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18200.html) that >> "Juniper also has an implementation of various parts of the draft, as >> needed to support the segment-routing-te-policy draft. Some other parts >> of the draft have also been implemented as well." >> - Stefano said=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18225.html) "this >> draft defines the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute for which a new tunnel >> type (SR Policy) has been defined, as well as additional TLVs, by >> draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy and for which we have an >> implementation". >>=20 >> As Job correctly observed, IDR tradition doesn't strictly require >> implementations in order to complete WGLC, but it's perfectly reasonable >> for WG participants to predicate their support on implementation. >> Besides, since we do need implementation before sending the document to >> the IESG, we're going to need to clear this up no later than immediately >> following WGLC completion. >>=20 >> Given nobody has claimed anything other than "partial" support I think w= e >> have not heard the last of this question. Given the lack of enthusiasm >> for reporting implementation status, I don't feel optimistic that >> self-reporting will result in much detail. A volunteer to help produce a >> more structured implementation report would be great. If not, this will >> fall to the chairs to do or delegate as time allows. >>=20 >> Other Issues >> ------------ >>=20 >> Xiaohu >> ------ >>=20 >> Xiaohu commented=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18182.html) "Since >> the NVGRE header has a protocol field, it seems unnecessary to add the >> fake MAC header when encapsulating IP packets over NVGRE in the >> inter-subnet scenario, as described in >> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00#page-= 3) >> ."=20 >>=20 >> Eric replied=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18205.html) "The >> intention of section 3.2.3 (NVGRE) in the tunnel encaps draft is to >> provide the encapsulation information that is needed to form an NVGRE >> encapsulation as specified in RFC 7637. If I'm understanding correctly, >> the draft cited above is an extension to or modification of RFC 7637, bu= t >> was never adopted. Am I wrong about that?". Unless Xiaohu has more to >> say, I'm considering the issue closed. >>=20 >> Lou >> --- >>=20 >> Lou Berger opened a number of issues >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18155.html). >> Discussion of these dominated the WGLC. I tried to follow the discussion >> for each and summarize below. (The below is not a complete set of >> quotations, just headlines.) >>=20 >> "1. I think this document needs to cover its impact on RF5566." >>=20 >> After quite a long discussion, Eric agreed >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) to add >> the following, proposed by Lou: >>=20 >>> How about something adding something like the following to section 1 >>>=20 >>> RFC5566 uses the mechanisms defined in RFC5512, while this document >>> replaces RFC5512 >>> it does not address how the tunnel types defined in RFC5566 can be >>> used with SAFIs other >>> than the Encapsulation SAFI. >>=20 >> "2. WRT the Encapsulation Extended Community. I find the following rule >> very hard to parse:" >>=20 >> There was a back-and-forth ending with a proposal from Lou >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18173.html modifie= d >> by https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18177.html, >> modified text shown): >>=20 >>> How about replacing the quoted paragraph with: >>>=20 >>> An Encapsulation Extended Community MUST be included when a barebones >>> Tunnel TLV is used to identify a tunnel type. The corresponding >>> barebones >>> Tunnel Encapsulation attribute MAY be omitted in this case. >>>=20 >>> BTW our implementation always includes a "barebones" Encapsulation >>> Extended Community ;-) >>=20 >> I believe this ended with "Well we disagree." >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18195.html). The >> issue is open. (AI: WG) >>=20 >> "3. I'm not sure why the color sub-tlv is still needed. why not just use >> the Color Extended Community alone?" >>=20 >> There was a long exchange on this with Lou taking the position that the >> ability to advertise multiple tunnel types in a single update represents >> unnecessary complexity and Eric taking the position that it's a >> reasonable optimization. Lou and Eric clearly understood each other's >> points but disagreed. Lou provided the caveat that if the mechanism is >> already being used then his objection is withdrawn, however nobody has >> said it's being used so presumably the objection stands. >>=20 >> The authors clearly don't believe a change is warranted, equally clearly >> Lou is unconvinced. The issue is open. (AI: WG) >>=20 >> There was a secondary point raised as part of the exchange >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18173.html), I wil= l >> call this 3.a: >>=20 >> 3.a. " If this is kept, it seems like there's some special aggregation >> rules >> that could apply." >>=20 >> This ended with=20 >> (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) "Since >> we don't currently know what policies might be needed by a future >> application, we can't specify them now." As far as I can tell this issue >> is closed. >>=20 >> "4. In section 12.4, values should be defined by this document of the >> newly established Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs registry." >>=20 >> Back-and-forth, agreement to defer. FWIW, I concur that it's fine to >> specify values inline for a new registry (this is not OK for existing >> registries of course), although it's also acceptable to wait and have >> IANA do it if there's no pressing need. >>=20 >> "5. Nit: the document says "This document deprecates the Encapsulation >> SAFI (which has never been used)". The use part of this statement isn't >> strictly true" >>=20 >> This stands at Lou agreeing it's OK to leave the text as is if desired, >> Eric asked Lou "Was there ever a production deployment? I'm sure the IES= G >> will ultimately grill me on this, so I would like to get the facts >> right." I haven't seen a response from Lou on-list. (AI: Lou) >>=20 >> "(new issue 6) In looking at the google doc, I was reminded of a >> deficiency of in 5512 that still exists in the wg draft. Neither ever >> define the format of the Tunnel TLV." 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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:57:57 -0000 --f403043619222113ee05518d39cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear colleagues, Thank you for your feedback! I agree with Job, that every new technology should be suitable for both "big" carriers and smaller ISPs. And in field of route leaks it is even more crucial. The work on this draft is in process, and IMO, the current version of draft is not ready for WGLC. I hope, that if this draft is adopted, it will result in more comments, more feedback and will speed up the process. At the same time I disagree with proposal of movement toward BCP. BGP already have all one need to prevent network from leaking routes. Still the problem is here and it becomes even worse. Here are few noteble examples of route leaks that took place during May: 1. Route leak by Rostelekom (AS12389), the biggest ISP in Russia, more then 1k prefixes leaked from HKIX to NTT; 2. Rote leak by Incapsula (AS19551), DDoS mitigation provider, more then 1.5k prefixes in multiple directions; 3. Route leak by Onlanta Ltd (AS56631), small stub ISP which leaked more then 50k prefixes between its providers. While first two anomalies were short lived and affected only network latency, the last one lasted more then two hours and resulted in channel exhaustion and partial DoS for a number of networks. Please, correctly understand me, this is not wall of blame, this is wall of BGP problem itself. And a significant change in protocol design is required to avoid existence of such mistakes. PS: There was a comprehensive comparison between communities and path attributes usages by Brian Dickson. While iOTC MUST not be propagated outside ISP border, eOTC/RLP MUST not be dropped by some AS in the path. For me it seems that in both scenarios path attributes are more preferable. 2017-06-04 19:28 GMT+03:00 David Monosov : > On 6/4/17 1:59 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 20:06, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - > FMED-41.. > > > wrote: > > > > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy > > > (5/20 to 6/3/2017) > > I strongly support adoption, > > and consider it a worthy candidate for the being progressed quickly. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, as it's currently specified, I still cannot see my > affiliation > > deploying this technology in a meaningful way. > > Concur. Despite a laudable goal, in its current form this technology would > significantly constrain the flexibility afforded by community based > policies, > which are widely deployed. > > Attempting to "codify" the nature of relationships between autonomous > systems > into 4 broad categories is an oversimplification that has limited overlap > with > operational reality (as demonstrated by increasingly broad and expressive > selection of policy communities implemented by sophisticated networks). > > Having to firmly constrain the nature of each relationship in advance, on a > session level rather than prefix level, requires the operators to make a > choice > between two less than ideal alternatives: > > - Correctly select a conservative definition of their current relationship, > reducing the operational agility if the nature changes in the future - as > now > both operators must agree in advance and implement a change in the > definition of > this relationship, flapping the session, prior to modifying policy. > > - Err on the side of caution and tag all sessions as "complex" to maintain > that > agility, eliminating the benefit of this technology. > > Regardless of the alternative initially chosen, it seems plausible that an > autonomous system with an evolving set of roles and interconnects will find > itself over time drifting toward ever more of them marked "complex" as its > policy sophistication requirements evolve. > > Perhaps a better direction for this initiative, in lieu of BGP extension, > would > be toward a BCP outlining a checklist for defining the nature of each > relationship as part of the on-boarding process for new interconnects - and > providing some policy implementation examples for various cases. > > -- > Sincerely yours, > > David Monosov > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- | Alexander Azimov | HLL l QRATOR | tel.: +7 499 241 81 92 | mob.: +7 915 360 08 86 | skype: mitradir | mailto: aa@qrator.net | visit: www.qrator.net --f403043619222113ee05518d39cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your fee= dback!

I agree with Job, that every new techn= ology should be suitable for both "big" carriers and smaller ISPs= . And in field of route leaks it is even more crucial. The work on this dra= ft is in process, and IMO, the current version of draft is not ready for WG= LC. I hope, that if this draft is adopted, it will result in more comments,= more feedback and will speed up the process.

At the same time I disagree with proposa= l of movement toward BCP. BGP already have all one need to prevent network = from leaking routes. Still the problem is here and it becomes even worse. H= ere are few noteble examples of route leaks that took place during May:
  1. Route leak by Rostelekom (AS12389), the biggest ISP i= n Russia, more then 1k prefixes leaked from HKIX to NTT;
  2. Rote l= eak by Incapsula (AS19551), DDoS mitigation provider, more then 1.5k prefix= es in multiple directions;
  3. Route leak by Onlanta Ltd (AS56631), sma= ll stub ISP which leaked more then 50k prefixes between its providers.
    4. =
While first two anomalies were short lived and affected only netw= ork latency, the last one lasted more then two hours and resulted in channe= l exhaustion and partial DoS for a number of networks. Please, correctly un= derstand me, this is not wall of blame, this is wall of BGP problem itself.= And a significant change in protocol design is required to avoid existence= of such mistakes.

PS: There was a comprehen= sive comparison between communities and path attributes usages by Brian Dic= kson. While iOTC MUST not be propagated outside ISP border, eOTC/RLP MUST n= ot be dropped by some AS in the path. For me it seems that in both scenario= s path attributes are more preferable.

2017-06-04 19:28 GMT+03:00 David Monos= ov <davidm@futureinquestion.net>:
On 6/4/17 1:59 PM, Job Snijders wrote: >
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 20:06, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik -= FMED-41..
> <rv@nic.d= tag.de <mailto:rv@nic.dtag.de&= gt;> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call f= or draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (5/20 to 6/3/2017)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I strongly support adoption,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and consider it a worthy candidate for the being pr= ogressed quickly.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, as it's currently specified, I still cannot see my = affiliation
> deploying this technology in a meaningful way.

Concur. Despite a laudable goal, in its current form this technology= would
significantly constrain the flexibility afforded by community based policie= s,
which are widely deployed.

Attempting to "codify" the nature of relationships between autono= mous systems
into 4 broad categories is an oversimplification that has limited overlap w= ith
operational reality (as demonstrated by increasingly broad and expressive selection of policy communities implemented by sophisticated networks).

Having to firmly constrain the nature of each relationship in advance, on a=
session level rather than prefix level, requires the operators to make a ch= oice
between two less than ideal alternatives:

- Correctly select a conservative definition of their current relationship,=
reducing the operational agility if the nature changes in the future - as n= ow
both operators must agree in advance and implement a change in the definiti= on of
this relationship, flapping the session, prior to modifying policy.

- Err on the side of caution and tag all sessions as "complex" to= maintain that
agility, eliminating the benefit of this technology.

Regardless of the alternative initially chosen, it seems plausible that an<= br> autonomous system with an evolving set of roles and interconnects will find=
itself over time drifting toward ever more of them marked "complex&quo= t; as its
policy sophistication requirements evolve.

Perhaps a better direction for this initiative, in lieu of BGP extension, w= ould
be toward a BCP outlining a checklist for defining the nature of each
relationship as part of the on-boarding process for new interconnects - and=
providing some policy implementation examples for various cases.

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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/9/2017 2:16 PM, John G. Scudder wrote: > "4. In section 12.4, values should be defined by this document of the > newly established Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs registry." > > Back-and-forth, agreement to defer. FWIW, I concur that it's fine to specify values inline for a new registry (this is not OK for existing registries of course), although it's also acceptable to wait and have IANA do it if there's no pressing need. As it happens, the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs" registry is an existing registry, created by RFC 5512. The draft does propose to change the registration policy by distinguishing several codepoint ranges. To support the ongoing implementations and deployments, we need a codepoint for the following sub-TLV: Remote Endpoint. To support the ongoing implementations and deployments of draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, we need codepoints from the same registry for the following sub-TLVs: Preference, Binding SID, and Segment List. These codepoints need to accord with the proposed new registration codepoint ranges. I suppose I could ask for early allocation of "Remote Endpoint", but what would really solve the codepoint allocation problem is early revision of the registration policy. I thought about pulling out Section 12.4 (discussing the Tunnel Encapsulation Registry Sub-TLVs registry) into a separate draft, but I'm not sure the WG would support even that at the current time. Any thoughts on that? The only other feasible option is to form an implementor's agreement, do self-allocation, and record the self-allocated values in the draft. I prefer not to do that, but I will if there is no other option that enables us to move forward in a timely manner. > After quite a long discussion, Eric agreed (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) to add the following, proposed by Lou: > >> How about something adding something like the following to section 1 >> >> RFC5566 uses the mechanisms defined in RFC5512, while this document replaces RFC5512 >> it does not address how the tunnel types defined in RFC5566 can be used with SAFIs other >> than the Encapsulation SAFI. The following section has been added for the next revision: ---------- 1.4. Impact on RFC 5566 [RFC5566] uses the mechanisms defined in [RFC5512]. While this document obsoletes [RFC5512], it does not address the issue of how to use the mechanisms of [RFC5566] without also using the Encapsulation SAFI. Those issues are considered to be outside the scope of this document. ---------- > As Job correctly observed, IDR tradition doesn't strictly require implementations in order to complete WGLC, but it's perfectly reasonable for WG participants to predicate their support on implementation. That's why LC was not requested for this draft (which has been around for a couple of years, I think) until implementations were well underway ;-) > lack of enthusiasm for reporting implementation status Sorry, too busy expanding acronyms and double-checking the capitalization of the RFC2119 terms ;-) > nobody has claimed anything other than "partial" support The whole point is to provide some structure for passing around information used to build tunnels. This eliminates the need for every new application to invent ad hoc mechanisms to handle what they take to be their immediate tunneling needs. When someone implements a particular application, they would be expected to implement only as much of this draft as is needed to support that application. Someone who doesn't, for example, support NVGRE encapsulation, would be unlikely to implement the NVGRE encapsulation sub-TLV. If a need for NVGRE is later discovered, it's helpful to have some existing structure with a place to hook it in. --------------95D09BCEAE2FD374F335A2D9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 6/9/2017 2:16 PM, John G. Scudder wrote:
"4. In section 12.4, values should be defined by this document of the
newly established Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs registry."

Back-and-forth, agreement to defer. FWIW, I concur that it's fine to specify values inline for a new registry (this is not OK for existing registries of course), although it's also acceptable to wait and have IANA do it if there's no pressing need.

As it happens, the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs" registry is an existing registry, created by RFC 5512.  The draft does propose to change the registration policy by distinguishing several codepoint ranges.

To support the ongoing implementations and deployments, we need a codepoint for the following sub-TLV: Remote Endpoint.

To support the ongoing implementations and deployments of draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, we need codepoints from the same registry for the following sub-TLVs: Preference, Binding SID, and Segment List.  These codepoints need to accord with the proposed new registration codepoint ranges. 

I suppose I could ask for early allocation of "Remote Endpoint",  but what would really solve the codepoint allocation problem is early revision of the registration policy.

I thought about pulling out Section 12.4 (discussing the Tunnel Encapsulation Registry Sub-TLVs registry) into a separate draft, but I'm not sure the WG would support even that at the current time.  Any thoughts on that?

The only other feasible option is to form an implementor's agreement, do self-allocation, and record the self-allocated values in the draft.  I prefer not to do that, but I will if there is no other option that enables us to move forward in a timely manner.

After quite a long discussion, Eric agreed (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18203.html) to add the following, proposed by Lou:


How about something adding something like the following to section 1

  RFC5566 uses the mechanisms defined in RFC5512, while this document replaces RFC5512
  it does not address how the tunnel types defined in RFC5566 can be used with SAFIs other
  than the Encapsulation SAFI.


    

    

    The following section has been added for the next revision:

    ----------

    1.4.  Impact on RFC 5566

    

       [RFC5566] uses the mechanisms defined in [RFC5512].  While this

       document obsoletes [RFC5512], it does not address the issue of
    how to

       use the mechanisms of [RFC5566] without also using the
    Encapsulation

       SAFI.  Those issues are considered to be outside the scope of
    this

       document.

    ----------

    

    

      
As Job correctly observed, IDR tradition doesn't strictly require implementations in order to complete WGLC, but it's perfectly reasonable for WG participants to predicate their support on implementation.

    

    

    That's why LC was not requested for this draft (which has  been
    around for a couple of years, I think) until implementations were
    well underway ;-)

    

    

      
lack of enthusiasm for reporting implementation status

    

    

    Sorry, too busy expanding acronyms and double-checking the
    capitalization of the RFC2119 terms ;-)

    

    

      
nobody has claimed anything other than "partial" support

    

    

    The whole point is to provide some structure for passing around
    information used to build tunnels.  This eliminates the need for
    every new application to invent ad hoc mechanisms to handle what
    they take to be their immediate tunneling needs.  When someone
    implements a particular application, they would be expected to
    implement only as much of this draft as is needed to support that
    application.  Someone who doesn't, for example, support NVGRE
    encapsulation, would be unlikely to implement the NVGRE
    encapsulation sub-TLV.  If a need for NVGRE is later discovered,
    it's helpful to have some existing structure with a place to hook it
    in.

    

    

  


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On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Eric Rosen  wrote:
> On 6/9/2017 2:16 PM, John G. Scudder wrote:
>> "4. In section 12.4, values should be defined by this document of the
>> newly established Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs registry."
>>=20
>> Back-and-forth, agreement to defer. FWIW, I concur that it's fine to =
specify values inline for a new registry (this is not OK for existing =
registries of course), although it's also acceptable to wait and have =
IANA do it if there's no pressing need.
>=20
> As it happens, the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub-TLVs" registry =
is an existing registry, created by RFC 5512.  The draft does propose to =
change the registration policy by distinguishing several codepoint =
ranges.

Thanks for clarifying this; I was relying on the content of the email =
exchange and hadn't checked the registry existence myself. Sorry for the =
noise.

> To support the ongoing implementations and deployments, we need a =
codepoint for the following sub-TLV: Remote Endpoint.
>=20
> To support the ongoing implementations and deployments of =
draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, we need codepoints from the =
same registry for the following sub-TLVs: Preference, Binding SID, and =
Segment List.  These codepoints need to accord with the proposed new =
registration codepoint ranges. =20
>=20
> I suppose I could ask for early allocation of "Remote Endpoint",  but =
what would really solve the codepoint allocation problem is early =
revision of the registration policy.=20
>=20
> I thought about pulling out Section 12.4 (discussing the Tunnel =
Encapsulation Registry Sub-TLVs registry) into a separate draft, but I'm =
not sure the WG would support even that at the current time.  Any =
thoughts on that?

Of course I can't say whether the WG would support it or not, although =
it seems to me that given the WG adopted the tunnel-encaps doc as a =
whole it wouldn't be unreasonable to adopt it piecemeal too. Of course =
there are points that could be raised pro or con.

It seems to me that given tunnel-encaps is (I hope) near the end of its =
journey, the time required to extract, adopt, and progress 12.4 =
independently would probably not be time well spent. It might possibly =
progress a bit before tunnel-encaps since it would be an administrative =
document and not be held up by most of the things that could snag =
tunnel-encaps; then again, as you well know there's overhead in moving =
even the simplest document. Since I'm still optimistic that =
tunnel-encaps can be moved relatively soon, my instinct would be to stay =
the course. I don't insist, though.

> The only other feasible option is to form an implementor's agreement, =
do self-allocation, and record the self-allocated values in the draft.  =
I prefer not to do that, but I will if there is no other option that =
enables us to move forward in a timely manner.

Unsurprisingly, I would like to discourage you from doing that. I would =
much rather the option of progressing 12.4 as an independent document.

[...]
>> As Job correctly observed, IDR tradition doesn't strictly require =
implementations in order to complete WGLC, but it's perfectly reasonable =
for WG participants to predicate their support on implementation.
>=20
> That's why LC was not requested for this draft (which has  been around =
for a couple of years, I think) until implementations were well underway =
;-)
>=20
>> lack of enthusiasm for reporting implementation status
>=20
> Sorry, too busy expanding acronyms and double-checking the =
capitalization of the RFC2119 terms ;-)
>=20
>> nobody has claimed anything other than "partial" support
>=20
> The whole point is to provide some structure for passing around =
information used to build tunnels.  This eliminates the need for every =
new application to invent ad hoc mechanisms to handle what they take to =
be their immediate tunneling needs.  When someone implements a =
particular application, they would be expected to implement only as much =
of this draft as is needed to support that application.  Someone who =
doesn't, for example, support NVGRE encapsulation, would be unlikely to =
implement the NVGRE encapsulation sub-TLV.  If a need for NVGRE is later =
discovered, it's helpful to have some existing structure with a place to =
hook it in.

Sure. I guess your point here is that almost any implementation will be =
"partial". That's fine. I think this means the implementation report =
will have to have at least a little structure to it, more than currently =
exists in the wiki. I don't think this needs to be controversial, but it =
does mean someone has to invest a few hours in structuring the report, =
and various other people have to invest minutes-to-hours populating it.

Thanks,

--John


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Hello All,

Needed some clarification from the authors and implementers of BGP-LS on Se=
c 3.4 of the https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rout=
ing-ext-01#page-26=20

It currently states ...

3.4.  Advertisement of a range of IS-IS SR bindings

   The advertisement of a range of IS-IS SR bindings has following
   rules:

      In IS-IS the Mapping Server binding ranges are advertised using
      the Binding TLV.  The IS-IS Binding TLV is encoded in the BGP-LS
      Prefix Attribute Range TLV as defined in Section 2.3.5 using the
      Binding Sub-TLV as defined in Section 2.3.6.  The flags in the
      Range TLV are all set to zero on transmit and ignored on
      reception.  The range value from the original IS-IS Binding TLV is
      encoded in the Range TLV "Range" field.

My understanding what that the encoding for ISIS is done with Range TLV + P=
refix-SID sub-TLV (very similar to how it is specified in Sec 3.3 for OSPF)=
. However the language is indirectly referring to the Prefix-SID sub-TLV by=
 saying  "using the Binding Sub-TLV".

This may give an impression that the encoding for ISIS is done as Range TLV=
 + Binding TLV + Prefix-SID sub-TLV and differently than done for OSPF. It =
would be clearer if the ISIS sec 3.4 were to also use similar language as O=
SPF sec 3.3. Would like to propose something like below:

3.4.  Advertisement of a range of IS-IS SR bindings

   The advertisement of a range of IS-IS SR bindings has following
   rules:

      In IS-IS the Mapping Server binding ranges are advertised using
      the IS-IS Binding TLV
      ([I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]).  The IS-IS Binding
      TLV is encoded in the BGP-LS Prefix Attribute Range TLV as defined
      in Section 2.3.4.
      The flags in the Range TLV are all set to zero on transmit and
      ignored on reception.  The range value from the original IS-IS
      Binding TLV is encoded in the Range TLV "Range" field. The
      Prefix-SID from the original ISIS Prefix SID Sub-TLV is encoded
      using the BGP-LS Prefix Attribute Prefix-SID as defined in
      Section 2.3.1 with the flags set according to the definition in
     [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]

I would also like to check if anyone has implemented the encoding of ISIS S=
RMS range using the Binding SID TLV.

Thanks,
Ketan


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : The BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute
        Authors         : Eric C. Rosen
                          Keyur Patel
                          Gunter Van de Velde
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-06.txt
	Pages           : 41
	Date            : 2017-06-14

Abstract:
   RFC 5512 defines a BGP Path Attribute known as the "Tunnel
   Encapsulation Attribute".  This attribute allows one to specify a set
   of tunnels.  For each such tunnel, the attribute can provide the
   information needed to create the tunnel and the corresponding
   encapsulation header.  The attribute can also provide information
   that aids in choosing whether a particular packet is to be sent
   through a particular tunnel.  RFC 5512 states that the attribute is
   only carried in BGP UPDATEs that have the "Encapsulation Subsequent
   Address Family (Encapsulation SAFI)".  This document deprecates the
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   specifies semantics for the attribute when it is carried in UPDATEs
   of certain other SAFIs.  This document adds support for additional
   tunnel types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to be
   specified for each tunnel.  This document also provides support for
   specifying fields of any inner or outer encapsulations that may be
   used by a particular tunnel.

   This document obsoletes RFC 5512.


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BIER, IDR

At BIER WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for
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This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:
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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension
(6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).   The WG should be aware that this draft has IPR
associated with it.  In your responses regarding this WG LC, please indicate
if you are concerned about the IPR. 

 

The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they
would deploy this draft.   

 

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following: 

1)      Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any
additional IPR, 

2)      Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis 

3)      Submit a implementation reports to the IDR wiki under the location 

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-ext
ension-01

 

The IDR WG will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this draft to
the IESG without 2 working implementations.   If the these actions are not
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Cheerily, Sue Hares and John Scudder (co-Chairs) 

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begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension =
(6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).   The WG should be aware that this =
draft has IPR associated with it.  In your responses regarding this =
WG LC, please indicate if you are concerned about the IPR. =

 
The chairs would appreciate if the operators would =
indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =
 
 
The authors should within the first 5 days do the =
following: 
1)      =
Send a statement to the WG indicating whether =
you know of any additional IPR, 
2)      =
Please respond to the IDR list questions on a =
daily basis 
3)      =
Submit a implementation reports to the IDR wiki =
under the location 
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-=
bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
 
The =
IDR WG will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this draft to =
the IESG without 2 working implementations.   If the these =
actions are not taken within 5 days, will extend the WG LC by 1 week =
while we wait for this information.   
 
Cheerily, =
Sue Hares and John Scudder (co-Chairs) 
Jie Dong (WG secretary) =


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The draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-12.txt has 2 implementations
from two different branches from Cisco.   In the past some people have asked
the chairs if this was sufficient to fulfill the IDR Working Group's
requirement for 2 implementations.   The IDR chairs are planning to forward
this document to the IESG based on the two cisco implementations (IOS-XR
6.0.2 and Cisco Nexus Switch (N9000/N3000 running NX-0S 7.0(3) 15(1) or
greater).  

 

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Working Group’s requirement for 2 implementations.   The =
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the two cisco implementations (IOS-XR 6.0.2 and Cisco Nexus Switch =
(N9000/N3000 running NX-0S 7.0(3) 15(1) or greater).  =

 
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should require another implementation to meet the 2 implementation =
requirements, please respond to this list by 6/20/2017.  If the =
chairs have not heard from the WG by 6/20, we will forward this draft to =
the IESG for publication. 
 
Sue Hares =
 

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During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the
wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities discussions.
Based on operator input, we completed the large community (RFC8092) and
draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.  

 

At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for
the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this
point we have:

1)      Stable draft
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/) 

2)      An Implementation seeking early testing, and 

3)      A need for an early allocation 

 

This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval. 

 

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wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities =
discussions.  Based on operator input, we completed the large =
community (RFC8092) and draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.  =

 
At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to =
early allocation for the wide-communities =
(draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this point we =
have:
1)      =
Stable draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communitie=
s/) 
2)      =
An Implementation seeking early testing, and =

3)      =
A need for an early allocation 
 
This begins =
a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval. 
 
Sue Hares =


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I support the allocation.

Thanks,
Jakob.

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Subject: [Idr] WG Early Allocation Call for draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communi=
ty-04.txt - 6/14 to 6/28

During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the wide-co=
mmunities draft during the testing of large communities discussions.  Based=
 on operator input, we completed the large community (RFC8092) and draft-ie=
tf-idr-shutdown standardization.

At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for t=
he wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this poin=
t we have:

1)      Stable draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-=
bgp-communities/)

2)      An Implementation seeking early testing, and

3)      A need for an early allocation

This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval.

Sue Hares

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I support the allocation.<=
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Thanks,


Jakob.




 








From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On=
 Behalf Of
Susan Hares

Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:35 PM

To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>

Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org

Subject: [Idr] WG Early Allocation Call for draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-=
community-04.txt - 6/14 to 6/28






 


During our work last fall, we noted an early impleme=
ntation for the wide-communities draft during the testing of large communit=
ies discussions.  Based on operator input, we completed the large comm=
unity (RFC8092) and draft-ietf-idr-shutdown
 standardization.  


 


At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to=
 early allocation for the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities=
-04.txt).  At this point we have:


1)     
Stable draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
oc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/)



2)     
An Implementation seeking early testing, and <=
/o:p>


3)     
A need for an early allocation 


 


This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation ap=
proval. 



 


Sue Hares 








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Subject: [Idr] Early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps
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Hi All,

A few people have asked about early allocation for the code points in =
section 12.4 of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps. I think it would be =
reasonable to do this. As a reminder, the criteria from RFC 7120 section =
2 are:

   a.  The code points must be from a space designated as "RFC
       Required", "IETF Review", or "Standards Action".  Additionally,
       requests for early assignment of code points from a
       "Specification Required" registry are allowed if the
       specification will be published as an RFC.

Yes to all.

   b.  The format, semantics, processing, and other rules related to
       handling the protocol entities defined by the code points
       (henceforth called "specifications") must be adequately described
       in an Internet-Draft.

I think the fact we got most of the way through a WGLC, not to mention =
the several reported implementations, demonstrates this.

   c.  The specifications of these code points must be stable; i.e., if
       there is a change, implementations based on the earlier and later
       specifications must be seamlessly interoperable.

The fact that we had a WGLC with another one to be done soon and no =
major changes proposed, indicates this is the case.

   d.  The Working Group chairs and Area Directors (ADs) judge that
       there is sufficient interest in the community for early (pre-RFC)
       implementation and deployment, or that failure to make an early
       allocation might lead to contention for the code point in the
       field.

Again, the reported implementations imply this.

Unless any objections are raised prior to June 22, we'll request early =
allocation of the code points requested in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.

Thanks,

--John

P.S.: Section 12.5 requests an allocation from the 'BGP Tunnel =
Encapsulation Attribute Tunnel Types' registry, which is FCFS so early =
allocation is neither applicable nor needed.=


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One added point, reports of other implementations would be very helpful.

Thanks,

--John

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Susan Hares  wrote:
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> The draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-12.txt has 2 =
implementations from two different branches from Cisco.   In the past =
some people have asked the chairs if this was sufficient to fulfill the =
IDR Working Group=E2=80=99s requirement for 2 implementations.   The IDR =
chairs are planning to forward this document to the IESG based on the =
two cisco implementations (IOS-XR 6.0.2 and Cisco Nexus Switch =
(N9000/N3000 running NX-0S 7.0(3) 15(1) or greater). =20
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> If you feel the IDR WG should require another implementation to meet =
the 2 implementation requirements, please respond to this list by =
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One added point, reports of other implementations would be =
very helpful.

Thanks,

--John

On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:13 PM, =
Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

The draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-12.txt has 2 =
implementations from two different branches from Cisco.   In =
the past some people have asked the chairs if this was sufficient to =
fulfill the IDR Working Group=E2=80=99s requirement for 2 =
implementations.   The IDR chairs are planning to forward this =
document to the IESG based on the two cisco implementations (IOS-XR =
6.0.2 and Cisco Nexus Switch (N9000/N3000 running NX-0S 7.0(3) 15(1) or =
greater).  
 
If you feel =
the IDR WG should require another implementation to meet the 2 =
implementation requirements, please respond to this list by =
6/20/2017.  If the chairs have not heard from the WG by 6/20, we =
will forward this draft to the IESG for publication. 
 
Sue Hares =
 
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I have read this draft and support the adoption.


 


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Support the adoption of this draft

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-msd

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-se=
gment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate =
if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:

1)      Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR

2)      Indicate whether you know of existing implementations

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Support the adoption of this draft


 






From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hares

Sent: 15 June 2017 05:48

To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>

Cc: draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org

Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-msd






 


This begins a 2 week WG adoptio=
n call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/20=
17 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators=
 would indicate whether they would deploy this draft. 
  


 


The authors should within the f=
irst 5 days do the following:



1) &nbs=
p;   
Send a statement to the=
 WG indicating whether you know of any IPR



2) &nbs=
p;   
Indicate whether you kn=
ow of existing implementations



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p;   
Please respond to the I=
DR list questions on a daily basis



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bsp;


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From: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" 
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This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors cou=
ld consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
 where the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-b=
gp-ls-segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for s=
ignalling of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention=
, this also is more efficient encoding.

While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under=
-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol=
?

Thanks,
Ketan

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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week =
WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segme=
nt-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate =
if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:

1)      Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR

2)      Indicate whether you know of existing implementations

3)      Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis

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This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the author=
s could consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routin=
g-msd where the RLD becomes another
 MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd prov=
ides a much better extensible mechanism for signalling of other such label =
limits at link and node level. Not to mention, this also is more efficient =
encoding.


 


While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the =
under-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS pro=
tocol?


 


Thanks,


Ketan


 






From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hares

Sent: 15 June 2017 05:50

To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>

Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing=
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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - =
2 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)






 


This begins a 2 week WG adoptio=
n call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to=
 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators woul=
d indicate whether they would deploy this draft. 
  


 


The authors should within the f=
irst 5 days do the following:



1) &nbs=
p;   
Send a statement to the=
 WG indicating whether you know of any IPR



2) &nbs=
p;   
Indicate whether you kn=
ow of existing implementations



3) &nbs=
p;   
Please respond to the I=
DR list questions on a daily basis



&n=
bsp;


Sue Hares and John Scudder 


 






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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication
        Authors         : Job Snijders
                          Jakob Heitz
                          John Scudder
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-shutdown-10.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2017-06-15

Abstract:
   This document enhances the BGP Cease NOTIFICATION message
   "Administrative Shutdown" and "Administrative Reset" subcodes for
   operators to transmit a short freeform message to describe why a BGP
   session was shutdown or reset.  This document updates RFC 4486.



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support allocation

On 2017 Jun 14 (Wed) at 18:34:30 -0400 (-0400), Susan Hares wrote:
:At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for
:the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).


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Hi Sue,

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Thanks for starting the call.

There=E2=80=99s IPR, http://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922

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I have asked Ericsson to do the proper discloser.

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Cheers,

Jeff

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-se=
gment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate i=
f the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =20

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The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20

1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR=20

2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations=20

3)       Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis=20

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Hi Sue,
 
Thanks for starting the call.
There’s IPR, http://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922
 
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I have asked Ericsson to do the proper discloser.
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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsur=
a-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The =
chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would d=
eploy this draft.   
 
The authors should within the first 5 days do the following: 
1)      =
; Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you =
know of any IPR 
2) =
      Indicate whether you =
know of existing implementations 
3)       Plea=
se respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis 
 
Sue Hares and John Scudder 
 


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Susan Hares wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval.

yes, this is a sensible move.

Nick


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Hi Sue,

 

I support the adoption, I also think that RLD would make sense as a MSD type.

 

Cheers,

Jeff

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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)

 

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.   

 

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following: 

1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR 

2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations 

3)       Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis 

 

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Hi Sue,
 
I support the adoption, I also =
think that RLD would make sense as a MSD type.
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Cheers,
Jeff
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Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 17:20
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Subject=
: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG A=
doption call (6/14 to 6/28)
 
This begins a 2 week WG adop=
tion call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 =
to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators wou=
ld indicate whether they would deploy this draft.   
 
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From: Jeff Tantsura 
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Ketan,

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I=E2=80=99m of the same opinion, wrt IGP=E2=80=99s =E2=80=93 RLD has been there for quite som=
e time already: draft-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

From: Idr  on behalf of "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <=
ketant@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32
To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' 
Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-=
ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org" 
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 w=
eek WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)

=20

This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors cou=
ld consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd =
where the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bgp=
-ls-segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for sign=
alling of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention, th=
is also is more efficient encoding.

=20

While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under=
-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segme=
nt-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate i=
f the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =20

=20

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Ketan,
 
I’m of the same opinion, w=
rt IGP’s – RLD has been there for quite some time already: draft=
-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc
 
Cheers,
<=
p class=3DMsoNormal>Jeff=

From: Idr <idr-b=
ounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <k=
etant@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32
=
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>, &q=
uot;draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org" <draft=
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Subject: R=
e: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG Adop=
tion call (6/14 to 6/28)
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Thi=
s document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors could c=
onsider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd wher=
e the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-=
segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for signalli=
ng of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention, this a=
lso is more efficient encoding.
 
Whi=
le I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under-lyi=
ng IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol?
 
Thanks,
Ketan<=
o:p>
 
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This begins a=
 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld=
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;
 
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1)       Sen=
d a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR 
2)      =
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I support the early allocation

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: Idr  on behalf of Susan Hares 
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2017 at 00:34
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Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" 
Subject: [Idr] WG Early Allocation Call for draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-community-04.txt - 6/14 to 6/28

 

During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities discussions.  Based on operator input, we completed the large community (RFC8092) and draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.  

 

At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this point we have:

1)       Stable draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/) 

2)       An Implementation seeking early testing, and 

3)       A need for an early allocation 

 

This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval. 

 

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I support the early allocation<=
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Cheers,
Jeff
 
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Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2017 a=
t 00:34
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Subject: [Idr] W=
G Early Allocation Call for draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-community-04.txt - 6/14 =
to 6/28
 
During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the wid=
e-communities draft during the testing of large communities discussions.&nbs=
p; Based on operator input, we completed the large community (RFC8092) and d=
raft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.  
 
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Indeed, i feel no big issue in merging the documents... the question i do a=
sk myself is that for IGP (for both ospf and isis) there is an individual d=
raft to signal MSD and another for RLD... i feel that for consistency maybe=
 2 documents for BGP seem also logical. However i'm not that strongly again=
st merging the documents either.




If we do decide for a merger of documents then lets maybe not call it eithe=
r MSD or RLD as that will be confusing to people that read the IGP document=
s... Maybe something as SDS (Segment Depth Signaling) makes more sense? Sma=
ll change to reduce confusion and=C2=A0 provides potential future extensibi=
lity if needed).




G/




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From: Jeff Tantsura


Sent: Thursday, June 15, 10:50


Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 w=
eek WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)


To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant), Susan Hares, 'idr wg'


Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ie=
tf.org






Ketan,




=C2=A0




I=E2=80=99m of the same opinion, wrt IGP=E2=80=99s =E2=80=93 RLD has been t=
here for quite some time already: draft-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc




=C2=A0




Cheers,




Jeff




From: Idr  on behalf of "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <=
ketant@cisco.com>


Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32


To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' 


Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-=
ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org" 


Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 w=
eek WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)




=C2=A0




This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors cou=
ld consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
 where the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-b=
gp-ls-segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for s=
ignalling of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention=
, this also is more efficient encoding.




=C2=A0




While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under=
-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol=
?




=C2=A0




Thanks,




Ketan




=C2=A0




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Sent: 15 June 2017 05:50


To: 'idr wg' 


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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week =
WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)




=C2=A0




This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segme=
nt-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017). =C2=A0=C2=A0 The chairs would a=
ppreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this dr=
aft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0




=C2=A0




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g whether you know of any IPR=20




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ions on a daily basis=20




=C2=A0




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Indeed, i feel no big issue in merging the documents... the question i do ask myself is that for IGP (for both ospf and isis) there is an individual draft to signal MSD and another for RLD... i feel that for consistency maybe 2 documents for BGP seem also logical. However i'm not that strongly against merging the documents either.






If we do decide for a merger of documents then lets maybe not call it either MSD or RLD as that will be confusing to people that read the IGP documents... Maybe something as SDS (Segment Depth Signaling) makes more sense? Small change to reduce confusion and  provides potential future extensibility if needed).






G/







From: Jeff Tantsura




Sent: Thursday, June 15, 10:50




Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)




To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant), Susan Hares, 'idr wg'




Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org








Ketan,






 






I’m of the same opinion, wrt IGP’s – RLD has been there for quite some time already: draft-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc






 






Cheers,






Jeff






From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>




Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32




To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>




Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org" <draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org>




Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)






 






This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors could consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd where the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for signalling of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention, this also is more efficient encoding.






 






While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol?






 






Thanks,






Ketan






 






From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares




Sent: 15 June 2017 05:50




To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>




Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org




Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)






 






This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.   






 






The authors should within the first 5 days do the following: 






1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR 






2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations 






3)       Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis 






 






Sue Hares and John Scudder 






 






_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr 










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Yep, support=20


No awareness of IPR




Maybe merge with RLD draft to create a single Segment Depth Signalling func=
tion. Preferably with a name different as MSD or RLD to avoid confusion wit=
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On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:41 AM +0200, "Jeff Tantsura"  wrote:












Hi Sue,

=C2=A0

Thanks for starting the call.

There=E2=80=99s IPR, http://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922

=C2=A0

I have asked Ericsson to do the proper discloser.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Jeff

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Susan Hares 
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=C2=A0

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for =C2=A0draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-=
ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017). =C2=A0=C2=A0 The chairs wo=
uld appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy th=
is draft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Send a statement to the WG indicatin=
g whether you know of any IPR=20

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Yep, support 




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 awareness of IPR






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on. Preferably with a name different as MSD or RLD to avoid confusion with =
the IGP counter parts.






G/=



















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Hi Sue,<=
/o:p>
 
Thanks for starting the call.
There=
=E2=80=99s IPR, ht=
tp://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922
 
I have asked Ericsson =
to do the proper discloser.
 
Cheers,
Jeff
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Cc: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Susan Hares , idr wg , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org
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Gunter,

We don't necessarily need to merge drafts, I'm against renaming, there's qui=
te some work being done around MSD.
My point is about encoding - having it as MSD type. It is absolutely up to y=
ou/co-authors though.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:09, guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com wrote:
>=20
> Indeed, i feel no big issue in merging the documents... the question i do a=
sk myself is that for IGP (for both ospf and isis) there is an individual dr=
aft to signal MSD and another for RLD... i feel that for consistency maybe 2=
 documents for BGP seem also logical. However i'm not that strongly against m=
erging the documents either.
>=20
> If we do decide for a merger of documents then lets maybe not call it eith=
er MSD or RLD as that will be confusing to people that read the IGP document=
s... Maybe something as SDS (Segment Depth Signaling) makes more sense? Smal=
l change to reduce confusion and  provides potential future extensibility if=
 needed).
>=20
> G/
>=20
> Get Outlook for Android
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: Jeff Tantsura
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 10:50
> Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 w=
eek WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)
> To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant), Susan Hares, 'idr wg'
> Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@i=
etf.org
>=20
>=20
> Ketan,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I=92m of the same opinion, wrt IGP=92s =96 RLD has been there for quite so=
me time already: draft-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Jeff
>=20
> From: Idr  on behalf of "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <=
ketant@cisco.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32
> To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' 
> Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp=
-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 w=
eek WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors co=
uld consider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
 where the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bg=
p-ls-segment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for sig=
nalling of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention, t=
his also is more efficient encoding.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> While I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the unde=
r-lying IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol=
?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Ketan
>=20
> =20
>=20
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
> Sent: 15 June 2017 05:50
> To: 'idr wg' 
> Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@i=
etf.org
> Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week=
 WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segm=
ent-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate i=
f the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20
>=20
> 1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR=
=20
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> 2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations=20
>=20
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Gunter,

We don't necessarily need to m=
erge drafts, I'm against renaming, there's quite some work being done around=
 MSD.
My point is about encoding - havin=
g it as MSD type. It is absolutely up to you/co-authors though.

Regar=
ds,
Jeff

On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:09, guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com wrote:
Indeed, i feel no big issue in merging=
 the documents... the question i do ask myself is that for IGP (for both osp=
f and isis) there is an individual draft to signal MSD and another for RLD..=
. i feel that for consistency maybe 2 documents for BGP seem also logical. H=
owever i'm not that strongly against merging the documents either.






If w=
e do decide for a merger of documents then lets maybe not call it either MSD=
 or RLD as that will be confusing to people that read the IGP documents... M=
aybe something as SDS (Segment Depth Signaling) makes more sense? Small chan=
ge to reduce confusion and  provides potential future extensibility if n=
eeded).






G/














From:=
 Jeff Tantsura




Sent=
: Thursday, June 15, 10:50




Subj=
ect: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week W=
G Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)




To: K=
etan Talaulikar (ketant), Susan Hares, 'idr wg'




Cc: <=
a href=3D"mailto:idr-chairs@ietf.org">idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-vandeve=
lde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org








Keta=
n,






&nbs=
p;






I=E2=
=80=99m of the same opinion, wrt IGP=E2=80=99s =E2=80=93 RLD has been there f=
or quite some time already: draft-ietf-(ospf|isis)-mpls-elc






&nbs=
p;






Chee=
rs,






Jeff=








D=
ate: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 20:32






S=
ubject: Re: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2=
 week WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)






&nbs=
p;






This=
 document is useful, however I would like to suggest if the authors could co=
nsider merging this with draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd where=
 the RLD becomes another MSD sub-type. I believe draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-s=
egment-routing-msd provides a much better extensible mechanism for signallin=
g of other such label limits at link and node level. Not to mention, this al=
so is more efficient encoding.






&nbs=
p;






Whil=
e I am not sure if similar would be possible at this stage in the under-lyin=
g IGPs, but it is perhaps not too late to consider for BGP-LS protocol?






&nbs=
p;






Than=
ks,






Keta=
n






&nbs=
p;






From:=
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g] On Behalf Of Susan Hares




S=
ent: 15 June 2017 05:50




T=
o: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
=





S=
ubject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 wee=
k WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)






&nbs=
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This=
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uting-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreci=
ate if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.&nb=
sp;  






&nbs=
p;






The a=
uthors should within the first 5 days do the following: 






1)&n=
bsp;      Send a statement to the WG indicating whe=
ther you know of any IPR 






2)&n=
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Sue H=
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication'
  (draft-ietf-idr-shutdown-10.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-shutdown/





Technical Summary

   This document enhances the BGP Cease NOTIFICATION message
   "Administrative Shutdown" and "Administrative Reset" sub-codes for
   operators to transmit a short free form message to describe why a BGP
   session was shutdown or reset.  This document updates RFC 4486.

Working Group Summary

   WG consensus call was quiet compared to the adoption call. 
   The final discussion has operators and implementers agreeing to this work. 

Document Quality

   There are at least 7 Open Source implementations.

Personnel

   Document Shepherd: Susan Hares 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Notification Message support for BGP Graceful Restart
        Authors         : Keyur Patel
                          Rex Fernando
                          John Scudder
                          Jeff Haas
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-13.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2017-06-15

Abstract:
   The BGP Graceful Restart mechanism defined in RFC 4724 limits the
   usage of BGP Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a
   BGP NOTIFICATION message.  This document updates RFC 4724 by defining
   an extension that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be
   performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message or
   the Hold Time expires.  This document also defines a new BGP
   NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode whose effect is to request a full
   session restart instead of a Graceful Restart.


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The only change in this version is to expand "S. 4.2" as "section 4.2". =
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--John

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
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> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.
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>        Title           : Notification Message support for BGP Graceful =
Restart
>        Authors         : Keyur Patel
>                          Rex Fernando
>                          John Scudder
>                          Jeff Haas
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-13.txt
> 	Pages           : 7
> 	Date            : 2017-06-15
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> Abstract:
>   The BGP Graceful Restart mechanism defined in RFC 4724 limits the
>   usage of BGP Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a
>   BGP NOTIFICATION message.  This document updates RFC 4724 by =
defining
>   an extension that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be
>   performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message =
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>   the Hold Time expires.  This document also defines a new BGP
>   NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode whose effect is to request a full
>   session restart instead of a Graceful Restart.
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> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Next-Hop dependant capabilities
        Authors         : Bruno Decraene
                          Kireeti Kompella
                          Wim Henderickx
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-00.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2017-06-16

Abstract:
   RFC 5492 defines capabilities advertisement for the BGP peer.  In
   addition, it is useful to be able to advertise BGP Next-Hop dependant
   capabilities, in particular for forwarding plane features.  RFC 5492
   is not applicable because the BGP peer may be different from the BGP
   Next-Hop, in particular when BGP Route Reflection is used.  This
   document defines a mechanism to advertise such BGP Next Hop dependant
   Capabilities.

   This document defines a new BGP non-transitive attribute to carry
   Next-Hop Capabilities.  This attribute is deleted or possibly
   modified when the BGP Next Hop is changed.

   This document also defines a Next-Hop capability to advertise the
   ability to handle the MPLS Entropy Label defined in RFC 6790.  It
   updates RFC 6790 with regard to this BGP signaling.



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IDR WG:

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing=
-te-policy (6/15/2017 to 6/29/2017)   You can obtain the draft at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-polic=
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Date: Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 9:=
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Subject: [Idr] Working Group adopti=
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IDR WG:  


 


This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-prev=
idi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy (6/15/2017 to 6/29/2017)   You =
can obtain the draft at:



https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
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Hi Chairs,

Please find some answers inline..

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Susan Hares  wrote:

> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension
> (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).   The WG should be aware that this draft has IPR
> associated with it.  In your responses regarding this WG LC, please
> indicate if you are concerned about the IPR.
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> The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they
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> The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:
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[Pushpasis] I am not aware of any IPR other than the one already disclosed

> 2)      Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis
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[Pushpasis] Sure, will be glad to do so.

> 3)      Submit a implementation reports to the IDR wiki under the
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> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-
> ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
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[Pushpasis] Honestly, I don't know about any implementation(s) of this
draft myself. But this draft carries the same node-admin tags in BGP-LS as
distributed by IGPs as specified in RFC 7917 (ISIS Node admin tags) and RFC
7777 (OSPF Node admin tags), and I doubt that there is an implementation of
these IGP RFCs yet (I may be wrong though). So I would like to ask the WG
if implementation report is still an absolute MUST for WGLC or not.

Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis

>
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> The IDR WG will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this draft
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> not taken within 5 days, will extend the WG LC by 1 week while we wait for
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> Cheerily, Sue Hares and John Scudder (co-Chairs)
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Segment Routing Prefix SID extensions for BGP
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Acee Lindem
                          Arjun Sreekantiah
                          Hannes Gredler
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-06.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2017-06-16

Abstract:
   Segment Routing (SR) architecture allows a node to steer a packet
   flow through any topological path and service chain by leveraging
   source routing.  The ingress node prepends a SR header to a packet
   containing a set of segment identifiers (SID).  Each SID represents a
   topological or a service-based instruction.  Per-flow state is
   maintained only at the ingress node of the SR domain.

   This document defines a new optional, transitive BGP attribute for
   announcing BGP Prefix Segment Identifiers (BGP Prefix-SID)
   information.



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Support adoption of the draft.
Regards, Greg

On Jun 14, 2017 7:23 PM, "Susan Hares"  wrote:

> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd
> (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators
> would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.
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>
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> The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:
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> 1)      Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR
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Support adoption of the draft.=C2=A0
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On Jun 14, 2017 7:23 PM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for =C2=A0draft-tantsur=
a-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017). =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether the=
y would deploy this draft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0
The authors should with=
in the first 5 days do the following: 
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3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Please respond=
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Pushpasis:

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The IDR Working Group does not require 2 implementations for WG LC.  =
However, to send an IDR document to the IESG =E2=80=93 the IDR WG =
requires 2 implementations.   We can simply hold the draft at approved, =
but waiting for implementations.=20

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: Pushpasis Sarkar [mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr wg; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01 (6/14/2017 to =
6/28/2017)

=20

Hi Chairs,

=20

Please find some answers inline..=20

=20

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Susan Hares  wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG LC for =
draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).   =
The WG should be aware that this draft has IPR associated with it.  In =
your responses regarding this WG LC, please indicate if you are =
concerned about the IPR.=20

=20

The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they =
would deploy this draft.  =20

=20

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20

1)      Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any =
additional IPR,

[Pushpasis] I am not aware of any IPR other than the one already =
disclosed=20

2)      Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis

[Pushpasis] Sure, will be glad to do so.=20

3)      Submit a implementation reports to the IDR wiki under the =
location=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-=
extension-01

[Pushpasis] Honestly, I don't know about any implementation(s) of this =
draft myself. But this draft carries the same node-admin tags in BGP-LS =
as distributed by IGPs as specified in RFC 7917 (ISIS Node admin tags) =
and RFC 7777 (OSPF Node admin tags), and I doubt that there is an =
implementation of these IGP RFCs yet (I may be wrong though). So I would =
like to ask the WG if implementation report is still an absolute MUST =
for WGLC or not.=20

=20

Thanks and regards

-Pushpasis

=20

The IDR WG will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this =
draft to the IESG without 2 working implementations.   If the these =
actions are not taken within 5 days, will extend the WG LC by 1 week =
while we wait for this information.  =20

=20

Cheerily, Sue Hares and John Scudder (co-Chairs)=20

Jie Dong (WG secretary)=20


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Pushpasis:
 
The IDR Working Group does not require 2 implementations for WG =
LC.=C2=A0 However, to send an IDR document to the IESG =E2=80=93 the IDR =
WG requires 2 implementations. =C2=A0=C2=A0We can simply hold the draft =
at approved, but waiting for implementations. 
 
Sue 
 
From:=
 =
Pushpasis Sarkar [mailto:pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com] 
Sent: =
Friday, June 16, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: =
idr wg; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01 (6/14/2017 to =
6/28/2017)
 
Hi =
Chairs,
 
Please find some answers =
inline.. 
 
On Thu, =
Jun 15, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> =
wrote:
This begins =
a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension (6/14/2017 =
to 6/28/2017).   The WG should be aware that this draft has =
IPR associated with it.  In your responses regarding this WG LC, =
please indicate if you are concerned about the IPR. 
 <=
/o:p>
The chairs =
would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they would =
deploy this draft.   
 <=
/o:p>
The authors =
should within the first 5 days do the following: 
1)      Send a =
statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any additional =
IPR,
[Pushpasis] I =
am not aware of any IPR other than the one already =
disclosed 
2)      Please =
respond to the IDR list questions on a daily =
basis
[Pushpasis] Sure, will be glad to do =
so. 
3)      Submit a =
implementation reports to the IDR wiki under the location =

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-=
ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
[Pushpasis] Honestly, I don't know about any =
implementation(s) of this draft myself. But this draft carries the same =
node-admin tags in BGP-LS as distributed by IGPs as specified in RFC =
7917 (ISIS Node admin tags) and RFC 7777 (OSPF Node admin tags), and I =
doubt that there is an implementation of these IGP RFCs yet (I may be =
wrong though). So I would like to ask the WG if implementation report is =
still an absolute MUST for WGLC or =
not. 
 
Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis
 
The IDR WG =
will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this draft to the =
IESG without 2 working implementations.   If the these actions =
are not taken within 5 days, will extend the WG LC by 1 week while we =
wait for this information.   
 <=
/o:p>
Cheerily, =
Sue Hares and John Scudder (co-Chairs) 
Jie Dong =
(WG secretary) 

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Route Leak Prevention using Roles in Update and Open messages
        Authors         : Alexander Azimov
                          Eugene Bogomazov
                          Randy Bush
                          Keyur Patel
                          Kotikalapudi Sriram
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-00.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2017-06-18

Abstract:
   Route Leaks are the propagation of BGP prefixes which violate
   assumptions of BGP topology relationships; e.g. passing a route
   learned from one peer to another peer or to a transit provider,
   passing a route learned from one transit provider to another transit
   provider or to a peer.  Today, approaches to leak prevention rely on
   marking routes according to operator configuration options without
   any check that the configuration corresponds to that of the BGP
   neighbor, or enforcement that the two BGP speakers agree on the
   relationship.  This document enhances BGP Open to establish agreement
   of the (peer, customer, provider, internal) relationship of two
   neighboring BGP speakers to enforce appropriate configuration on both
   sides.  Propagated routes are then marked with an iOTC attribute
   according to agreed relationship allowing prevention of route leaks.



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Support.

I believe early allocations help mitigate squatting or self-servicing.

Kind regards,

Job

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 at 00:40, Susan Hares  wrote:

> During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the
> wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities
> discussions.  Based on operator input, we completed the large community
> (RFC8092) and draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.
>
>
>
> At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for
> the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this
> point we have:
>
> 1)      Stable draft (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/)
>
> 2)      An Implementation seeking early testing, and
>
> 3)      A need for an early allocation
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>
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> This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval.
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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 06:34:30PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the
> wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities discussions.
> Based on operator input, we completed the large community (RFC8092) and
> draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.  
> 
[...]
> This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval. 

I support early allocation.

-- Jeff


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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 08:17:54PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for
> draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).
> The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whether they
> would deploy this draft.   

I support adoption of this draft.  I ambivalent to the notion that RLD and
MSD might be worth merging into the same document.

-- Jeff


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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 08:20:24PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for
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> would deploy this draft.   

I support adoption of this draft.  I ambivalent to the notion that RLD and 
MSD might be worth merging into the same document.

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On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:05:25AM +0000, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Two implementations of this draft have been reported, and there may be others. This is a reminder for implementers to report their implementations of this document.
> 
> All implementers are invited to fill out the implementation info AND the feature support in the implementation report:
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification%20implementations,

I've updated the report for JUNOS.

-- Jeff


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Support the adoption of this document.

One suggestion is to remove the suggested value for the new code points in =
this draft and just mark them as TBA by IANA, this is to avoid unexpected c=
ode point conflicts.

Best regards,
Jie

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Support the adoption of this document.



 


One suggestion is to remove the suggested value for the new code =
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expected code point conflicts.


 


Best regards,


Jie


 








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On Behalf Of Susan Hares

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Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
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This begins a 2 week WG adoptio=
n call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14/20=
17 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators=
 would indicate whether they would deploy this draft. 
  


 


The authors should within the f=
irst 5 days do the following:



1) &nbs=
p;   
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 WG indicating whether you know of any IPR



2) &nbs=
p;   
Indicate whether you kn=
ow of existing implementations



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&n=
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Support the adoption of this document.

And I agree that the encodings could be aligned with the msd draft.

Best regards,
Jie

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Support the adoption of this document.



 


And I agree that the encodings could be aligned with the msd draf=
t.



 


Best regards,


Jie


 








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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:20 AM

To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>

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airs@ietf.org; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>

Subject: draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week=
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This begins a 2 week WG adoptio=
n call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 (6/14/2017 to=
 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operators woul=
d indicate whether they would deploy this draft. 
  


 


The authors should within the f=
irst 5 days do the following:



1) &nbs=
p;   
Send a statement to the=
 WG indicating whether you know of any IPR



2) &nbs=
p;   
Indicate whether you kn=
ow of existing implementations



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Thread-Topic: [Idr] Implementation report for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification
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Hi Jeff,=20

Thanks a lot for the update.=20

Best regards,
Jie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:39 AM
> To: Dongjie (Jimmy) 
> Cc: 'idr wg' 
> Subject: Re: [Idr] Implementation report for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notifi=
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> On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:05:25AM +0000, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Two implementations of this draft have been reported, and there may be
> others. This is a reminder for implementers to report their implementatio=
ns
> of this document.
> >
> > All implementers are invited to fill out the implementation info AND th=
e
> feature support in the implementation report:
> >
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification%20=
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> mentations,
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> I've updated the report for JUNOS.
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Support,

I would be in favor to change the document name to "bgp-ls-segment-routing-=
erld" rather than using the "legacy" rld name.


From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - 2 week =
WG Adoption call (6/14 to 6/28)

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segme=
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if the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.

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Support,


 


I would be in favor to=
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er than using the “legacy” rld name.


 


 






From: Idr [mai=
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On Behalf Of Susan Hares

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Subject: [Idr] draft-vandevelde-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld-03 - =
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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-vand=
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ey would deploy this draft.   


 


The authors should within the first 5 days do the fo=
llowing:



1)     
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now of any IPR



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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5575,
"Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules".

--------------------------------------
You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5043

--------------------------------------
Type: Technical
Reported by: Jan Matejka 

Section: 7

Original Text
-------------
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | 0x8006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+

   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a non-
      transitive extended community across the autonomous-system
      boundary and uses following extended community encoding:

Corrected Text
--------------
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | 0xc006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+

   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a non-
      transitive extended community across the autonomous-system
      boundary and uses following extended community encoding:

OR:


        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
        | 0x8006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+

   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community
      uses following extended community encoding:

Notes
-----
The traffic rate type is allocated in the Transitive Experimental Range (https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-extended-communities/bgp-extended-communities.xhtml#bgp-extended-communities-10) but the text declares it non-transitive.

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RFC5575 (draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-09)
--------------------------------------
Title               : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules
Publication Date    : August 2009
Author(s)           : P. Marques, N. Sheth, R. Raszuk, B. Greene, J. Mauch, D. McPherson
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Inter-Domain Routing
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Hi jan,

This issue (traffic-rate action defined as *non-transitive*) is actually =
already taken care of in our in-progress draft =
(draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis).

As described below _all_ traffic actions have been assigned by IANA as =
transitive. Our lab-tests showed that all the actions are treated as =
transitive by the implementations that we tested (Juniper, Cisco, =
Huawei, Nokia/Alcatel, ExaBGP). This perfectly makes sense. So we added =
the following to the draft:

All traffic actions are specified as transitive BGP Extended
   Communities.
(see last sentence of section 7 in draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-01) IANA =
consideration section will reflect this as well (not yet done).

Cheers

Christoph

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> On 20 Jun 2017, at 15:31, RFC Errata System =
 wrote:
>=20
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5575,
> "Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules".
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5043
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Jan Matejka 
>=20
> Section: 7
>=20
> Original Text
> -------------
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | 0x8006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
>        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
>        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
>        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>=20
>   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a non-
>      transitive extended community across the autonomous-system
>      boundary and uses following extended community encoding:
>=20
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | 0xc006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
>        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
>        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
>        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>=20
>   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a non-
>      transitive extended community across the autonomous-system
>      boundary and uses following extended community encoding:
>=20
> OR:
>=20
>=20
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | type   | extended community | encoding                 |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>        | 0x8006 | traffic-rate       | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
>        | 0x8007 | traffic-action     | bitmask                  |
>        | 0x8008 | redirect           | 6-byte Route Target      |
>        | 0x8009 | traffic-marking    | DSCP value               |
>        +--------+--------------------+--------------------------+
>=20
>   Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community
>      uses following extended community encoding:
>=20
> Notes
> -----
> The traffic rate type is allocated in the Transitive Experimental =
Range =
(https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-extended-communities/bgp-extended-co=
mmunities.xhtml#bgp-extended-communities-10) but the text declares it =
non-transitive.
>=20
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> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
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>=20
> --------------------------------------
> RFC5575 (draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-09)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules
> Publication Date    : August 2009
> Author(s)           : P. Marques, N. Sheth, R. Raszuk, B. Greene, J. =
Mauch, D. McPherson
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : Inter-Domain Routing
> Area                : Routing
> Stream              : IETF
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Hi jan,

This issue (traffic-rate action defined as *non-transitive*) =
is actually already taken care of in our in-progress draft (draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis).

As described below _all_ traffic =
actions have been assigned by IANA as transitive. Our lab-tests showed =
that all the actions are treated as transitive by the implementations =
that we tested (Juniper, Cisco, Huawei, Nokia/Alcatel, ExaBGP). This =
perfectly makes sense. So we added the following to the draft:

All =
traffic actions are specified as transitive BGP Extended
   Communities.
(see last sentence of section 7 =
in draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-01) IANA consideration section will =
reflect this as well (not yet done).

Cheers

Christoph
 


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Loibl
c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 =
| http://www.nextlayer.at






On 20 Jun 2017, at 15:31, RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

The =
following errata report has been submitted for RFC5575,
"Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules".

--------------------------------------
You may =
review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5043

--------------------------------------
Type: =
Technical
Reported by: Jan Matejka =
<mq+rfc@ucw.cz>

Section: 7

Original Text
-------------
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | type   | extended =
community | encoding =
            &n=
bsp;   |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | 0x8006 | traffic-rate =
      | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | =
traffic-action     | bitmask =
            &n=
bsp;    |
 =
       | 0x8008 | redirect =
          | 6-byte =
Route Target      |
 =
       | 0x8009 | traffic-marking =
   | DSCP value =
            &n=
bsp; |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+

 =
  Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a =
non-
      transitive extended =
community across the autonomous-system
 =
     boundary and uses following extended =
community encoding:

Corrected Text
--------------
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | type   | extended =
community | encoding =
            &n=
bsp;   |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | 0xc006 | traffic-rate =
      | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | =
traffic-action     | bitmask =
            &n=
bsp;    |
 =
       | 0x8008 | redirect =
          | 6-byte =
Route Target      |
 =
       | 0x8009 | traffic-marking =
   | DSCP value =
            &n=
bsp; |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+

 =
  Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community is a =
non-
      transitive extended =
community across the autonomous-system
 =
     boundary and uses following extended =
community encoding:

OR:


 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | type   | extended =
community | encoding =
            &n=
bsp;   |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+
 =
       | 0x8006 | traffic-rate =
      | 2-byte as#, 4-byte float |
        | 0x8007 | =
traffic-action     | bitmask =
            &n=
bsp;    |
 =
       | 0x8008 | redirect =
          | 6-byte =
Route Target      |
 =
       | 0x8009 | traffic-marking =
   | DSCP value =
            &n=
bsp; |
 =
       +--------+--------------------+-=
-------------------------+

 =
  Traffic-rate:  The traffic-rate extended community
      uses following extended =
community encoding:

Notes
-----
The traffic rate type is allocated in the =
Transitive Experimental Range =
(https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-extended-communities/bgp-extended-co=
mmunities.xhtml#bgp-extended-communities-10) but the text declares it =
non-transitive.

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RFC5575 =
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--------------------------------------
Title =
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Publication Date    : August 2009
Author(s) =
          : P. =
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Category =
           : =
PROPOSED STANDARD
Source =
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Area =
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Gunter,

I think you should read draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. It =
will give you a better understanding on what a SR policy is and why =
having different ways to signal it it=E2=80=99s a _good_ thing.

Thanks for the support.
s.


> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) =
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> Hi Sue, John,
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> Support, the idea is one of many others to serve the same goal to =
distribute TE policies, however using BGP based signalling this time.
> =20
> Not sure to which solution the future implementations will converge =
towards at the end, but this method of using BGP SR signalling seems =
reasonable pragmatic approach with few potential interesting use-case =
scenarios. My worry is regarding its value in few years from now and =
that we might be wasting IDR cycles. But I do think that it=E2=80=99s a =
pragmatic thing to work on now, assuming it does not take years for it =
to get through the IETF process.
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> G/
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP-LS extensions for Segment Routing BGP Egress Peer Engineering
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Keyur Patel
                          Saikat Ray
                          Jie Dong
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-13.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2017-06-20

Abstract:
   Segment Routing (SR) leverages source routing.  A node steers a
   packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by
   prepending the packet with an SR header.  A segment can represent any
   instruction, topological or service-based.  SR allows to enforce a
   flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining
   per-flow state only at the ingress node of the SR domain.

   The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS
   dataplane with no change on the forwarding plane.  It requires minor
   extension to the existing link-state routing protocols.

   This document outline a BGP-LS extension for exporting BGP peering
   node topology information (including its peers, interfaces and
   peering ASs) in a way that is exploitable in order to compute
   efficient BGP Peering Engineering policies and strategies.



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Hi Jie,

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Thanks for your support and comments.

Since we already have allocations for IGP, we would like to request early a=
llocation immediately after (if) the draft has been adopted.

If there=E2=80=99s a conflict =E2=80=93 we will update draft accordingly

=20

Thanks!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" 
Date: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 18:50
To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' 
Cc: "draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org" 
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-r=
outing-msd
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Resent-To: , , , "Siva Sivabalan (msiva)" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:50:56 -0700 (PDT)

=20

Support the adoption of this document.=20

=20

One suggestion is to remove the suggested value for the new code points in =
this draft and just mark them as TBA by IANA, this is to avoid unexpected co=
de point conflicts.

=20

Best regards,

Jie

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:18 AM
To: 'idr wg' 
Cc: draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-msd

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-se=
gment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate i=
f the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =20

=20

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20

1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR=20

2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations=20

3)       Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis=20

=20

Sue Hares and John Scudder=20

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Hi Jie,
 
Thanks for your support and com=
ments.
Since we already have allocations fo=
r IGP, we would like to request early allocation immediately after (if) the =
draft has been adopted.
If there’s a =
conflict – we will update draft accordingly
 
Thanks!
 
Ch=
eers,
Jeff
From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Date: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 18:50
To: Susan Hares <shar=
es@ndzh.com>, 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-tan=
tsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org" <draft-tantsura-idr-b=
gp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adopt=
ion call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd
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: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
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;, "Siva Sivabalan (msiva)" <msiva@cisco.com>
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ate: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:50:56 -0700 (PDT)
 =

Support the adoption of this document. <=
/span>
 
O=
ne suggestion is to remove the suggested value for the new code points in th=
is draft and just mark them as TBA by IANA, this is to avoid unexpected code=
 point conflicts.
 =

Best regards,
Jie<=
o:p>
 
From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@i=
etf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, June 15, =
2017 8:18 AM
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: draft=
-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] W=
G adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=

 
This begins a 2 week WG ado=
ption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (6/14=
/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the operato=
rs would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.   
 
The authors should within the first =
5 days do the following: 
1)       =
Indicate whether you know of existing implementations =

3)    &nb=
sp;  Please respond to the IDR list questions o=
n a daily basis 
=
 
Sue Hares a=
nd John Scudder 
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I'd like to express my support for early allocation. With a set of
implementations already out and active experimentation ongoing this is an
opportunity to eliminate squatting.

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Sincerely yours,

David Monosov

On Jun 15, 2017 1:40 AM, "Susan Hares"  wrote:

During our work last fall, we noted an early implementation for the
wide-communities draft during the testing of large communities
discussions.  Based on operator input, we completed the large community
(RFC8092) and draft-ietf-idr-shutdown standardization.



At this time, the chairs would like to cycle back to early allocation for
the wide-communities (draft-ietf-idr-wide-communities-04.txt).  At this
point we have:

1)      Stable draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/
doc/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities/)

2)      An Implementation seeking early testing, and

3)      A need for an early allocation



This begins a 2 week WG call for early allocation approval.



Sue Hares

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Hi Eric,

I wouldn't said that I have reviewed the document (-06), nor the discussion=
, but section 3.3.1 " IPv4 DS Field" seems IPv4 specific and we probably ne=
ed to also cover IPv6. Possibly, the same sub-TLV may be used.
In addition, there is the IPv6 flow label, but I don't know whether it woul=
d be useful to specify it or not.
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Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

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 > Authors, please confirm that any relevant IPR has been disclosed.
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 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-04
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Paul Mattes
                          Eric Rosen
                          Steven Lin
	Filename        : draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07.txt
	Pages           : 30
	Date            : 2017-06-23

Abstract:
   This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
   advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing Policy (SR Policy).
   An SR Policy is a set of candidate paths consisting of one or more
   segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
   candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
   a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
   This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
   distribute candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
   Encapsulation Attribute are defined.


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Dear John Scudder,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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idr Session 1 (2:30:00)
    Thursday, Morning Session I 0930-1200
    Room Name: Congress Hall III size: 250
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Working Group Name: Inter-Domain Routing
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: John Scudder

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : BGP-LS Advertisement of IGP Traffic Engineering Performance Metric Extensions
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Qin Wu
                          Hannes Gredler
                          Saikat Ray
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Les Ginsberg
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-06.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2017-06-25

Abstract:
   This document defines new BGP-LS TLVs in order to carry the IGP
   Traffic Engineering Extensions defined in IS-IS and OSPF protocols.



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        Title           : BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Peter Psenak
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Hannes Gredler
                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-02.txt
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	Date            : 2017-06-25

Abstract:
   Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end
   paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of
   topological sub-paths, called "segments".  These segments are
   advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPF and
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   This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family in
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this version has been cleaned up from all unused TLVs according to the =
changes being done in draft-ietf-[ospf|isis]-segment-routing-extensions.

Due to the number of codepoints this drafts proposes, I=E2=80=99d like =
to ask the chairs to consider the document for publication.

Thanks.
s.




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>        Title           : BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing
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Hi Eric,



Please find below a possible typo in =A72



   Each sub-TLV consists of three fields: a 1-octet type, 1-octet

   length, and zero or more octets of value.  A sub-TLV is structured as

   shown in Figure 2:



                   +-----------------------------------+

                   |      Sub-TLV Type (1 Octet)       |

                   +-----------------------------------+

                   |     Sub-TLV Length (1 or 2 Octets)|

                   +-----------------------------------+

                   |     Sub-TLV Value (Variable)      |

                   |                                   |

                   +-----------------------------------+



               Figure 2: Tunnel Encapsulation Sub-TLV Format





OLD : 1-octet length,

NEW : 1-octet or 2-octets length,



Thanks,

Best regards,

--Bruno



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 > Hi Eric,

>

 > I wouldn't said that I have reviewed the document (-06), nor the discuss=
ion, but section

> 3.3.1 " IPv4 DS Field" seems IPv4 specific and we probably need to also c=
over IPv6. Possibly,

> the same sub-TLV may be used.

> In addition, there is the IPv6 flow label, but I don't know whether it wo=
uld be useful to

> specify it or not.

>

 > Thanks,

> Regards,

> --Bruno

>

 > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John G. Scudder

> >

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Hi Eric,


 


Please find below a possible typo in =A72


 


   Each sub-TLV consists of three fields: a 1-o=
ctet type, 1-octet


   length, and zero or more octets of value.&nb=
sp; A sub-TLV is structured as


   shown in Figure 2:


 


         &nb=
sp;         +------------------=
-----------------+


         &nb=
sp;         |   &nbs=
p;  Sub-TLV Type (1 Octet)       |<=
/o:p>


         &nb=
sp;         +------------------=
-----------------+


         &nb=
sp;         |   &nbs=
p; Sub-TLV Length (1 or 2 Octets)|


         &nb=
sp;        
+-----------=
------------------------+


            =
       |     Sub-TLV Valu=
e (Variable)      |


            =
       |      &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;   |


            =
       +---------------------------------=
--+


 


            =
   Figure 2: Tunnel Encapsulation Sub-TLV Format


 


 


OLD : 1-octet length, 


NEW : 1-oc=
tet or 2-octets length, 


 


Thanks,


Best regards,


--Bruno


 


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 > I wouldn't said that I have reviewed t=
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> 3.3.1 " IPv4 DS Field" seems IPv4 =
specific and we probably need to also cover IPv6. Possibly,


> the same sub-TLV may be used.


> In addition, there is the IPv6 flow label, b=
ut I don't know whether it would be useful to


> specify it or not.


> 


 > Thanks,


> Regards,


> --Bruno


> 


 > > From: Idr [mai=
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> >


>  > Hi All,


>  >


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>  > reply to the list with your comme=
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>  > 
https://tools.ietf.or=
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>  > Thanks,


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On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 09:44:37PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> IDR WG:  
> 
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for
> draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy (6/15/2017 to 6/29/2017)   You
> can obtain the draft at: 
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-segment-routing-te-policy

I support adoption of this draft.

-- Jeff


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Dear all,



IDR will meet at IETF99 on Thursday, July 20 from 9:30 to 12:00. Please for=
ward any IDR agenda items you might have to me and CC the chairs, the deadl=
ine is July 13 by 10:00 U.S. Eastern Time. Priority will be given to those =
who get their requests in by the deadline, though if agenda space permits i=
t we will consider requests gotten in before July 17 at 10:00 U.S. Eastern =
Time. Please include the name of the person who will be presenting, and the=
 estimate time you'll need (including Q/A).



If you plan to make a presentation, please keep in mind the IDR tradition, =
"no Internet Draft - no time slot". You should also plan to send your slide=
s to me and CC the chairs no later than 24 hours prior to the meeting, thou=
gh earlier is better. If we don't have your slides by the deadline, you may=
 lose your slot. Please number your slides for the benefit of remote attend=
ees. If you plan to use any fancy builds or transitions, please arrange thi=
s with us in advance -- otherwise you should assume your slides may be conv=
erted to PDF and presented from the PDF.



Potential presenters, please take a look at the checklist for presenting at=
 IDR:

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%2=
0at%20an%20IDR%20meeting



Best regards,

Jie

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Dear all,<=
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IDR will meet a=
t IETF99 on Thursday, July 20 from 9:30 to 12:00. Please forward any IDR ag=
enda items you might have to me and CC the chairs, the deadline is July 13 =
by 10:00 U.S. Eastern Time. Priority will be given to those who get their r=
equests in by the deadline, though if agenda space permits it we will consi=
der requests gotten in before July 17 at 10:00 U.S. Eastern Time. Please in=
clude the name of the person who will be presenting, and the estimate time =
you'll need (including Q/A).


 


If you plan to =
make a presentation, please keep in mind the IDR tradition, "no Intern=
et Draft - no time slot". You should also plan to send your slides to =
me and CC the chairs no later than 24 hours prior to the meeting, though ea=
rlier is better. If we don't have your slides by the deadline, you may lose=
 your slot. Please number your slides for the benefit of remote attendees. =
If you plan to use any fancy builds or transitions, please arrange this wit=
h us in advance -- otherwise you should assume your slides may be converted=
 to PDF and presented from the PDF.


 


Potential prese=
nters, please take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR:


https://trac.tools.ietf=
.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%20at%20an%20IDR%20meetin=
g


 


Best regards,


Jie






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On 6/23/2017 6:56 AM, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote:
> I wouldn't said that I have reviewed the document (-06), nor the discussion, but section 3.3.1 " IPv4 DS Field" seems IPv4 specific and we probably need to also cover IPv6. Possibly, the same sub-TLV may be used.
> In addition, there is the IPv6 flow label, but I don't know whether it would be useful to specify it or not.

It's impossible for a single document to specify a sub-TLV for every 
encapsulation header field that might possibly be useful.  I tried to 
include in the document enough of a selection of sub-TLVs to indicate 
how more might be added.  If someone wants to signal a value for the 
IPv6 flow label field, it should be fairly straightforward to write a 
draft specifying a suitable sub-TLV.



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Dear Jeff Tantsura, Uma Chunduri, Gregory Mirsky, Siva Sivabalan:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
"Signaling Maximum SID Depth using Border Gateway Protocol
Link-State" (draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd) was
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on  and has been posted on the "IETF Page
of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3023/). The title of the IPR disclosure is
"Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to
draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat


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Hi,

    I know this is a late comment, but feel free to view it as an early
IETF LC comment if you wish:-)

Section 5  seems to catalogue a fair number of options and allows for
incompatible implementations:

   These differences in the behavior of different implementations may
   result in unexpected behavior or lack of interoperability.  In some
   cases, it may be difficult or impossible to achieve the desired
   policies with certain implementations or combinations of
   implementations.

It would be really nice to have something (or some combination) at least
recommended to be implemented to ensure interoperability.  Do you think
it's possible to define such a recommendation, or do we just punt?
(Surely there is a defacto default/minimal mode already in the market!)

Thanks,
Lou

On 5/11/2017 12:45 PM, Eric C Rosen wrote:
> I have now posted draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-02.txt, which I believe 
> addresses the LC comments.
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From: Jeff Tantsura 
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Hi,

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IPR has been disclosed today, found at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/302=
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Thanks!

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Cheers,

Jeff

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From: Jeff Tantsura 
Date: Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 01:41
To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' 
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Hi Sue,

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Thanks for starting the call.

There=E2=80=99s IPR, http://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922

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I have asked Ericsson to do the proper discloser.

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Cheers,

Jeff

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From: Susan Hares 
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 17:17
To: 'idr wg' 
Cc: 
Subject: WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd
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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-se=
gment-routing-msd (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate i=
f the operators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.  =20

=20

The authors should within the first 5 days do the following:=20

1)       Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR=20

2)       Indicate whether you know of existing implementations=20

3)       Please respond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis=20

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Sue Hares and John Scudder=20

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Hi,
 
IPR has been disclosed today, found=
 at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3023/
=
Thanks!
 
Cheers,
<=
span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff
 
 
From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i=
etf@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 01:41
To:=
 Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
<=
b>Cc: <draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org>
=
Subject: Re: WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-r=
outing-msd
 
Hi Sue,
 
Thanks for starting the call.
There’s IPR, http://patents.justia.com/patent/20170005922
 
I have asked Ericsson to do the prop=
er discloser.
 
Cheers,
Jeff
 
 
From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: =
Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 17:17
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.or=
g>
Cc: <draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.o=
rg>
Subject: WG adoption call for draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-seg=
ment-routing-msd
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, <uma.chunduri@huawei.com=
>, <gregimirsky@gmail.com>, "Siva Sivabalan (msiva)" <=
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Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:23:40 -0700 (=
PDT)
 
This begins a 2 week WG=
 adoption call for for  draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (=
6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017).    The chairs would appreciate if the ope=
rators would indicate whether they would deploy this draft.   
 
The authors should within the =
first 5 days do the following: 
1)       Send a=
 statement to the WG indicating whether you know of any IPR 
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Hello,

 I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. T=
he Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related draft=
s as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on spe=
cial request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Rou=
ting ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see  h=
ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir .

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo=
uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF comment=
s that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by upd=
ating the draft.=20


Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
Reviewer: Les Ginsberg
Review Date: June 27, 2017
Intended Status: Standards

Summary:  The document is of modest scope - covering definition of BGP-LS
codepoints for a relatively new IGP attribute (Node Admin Tags).=20
While I found nothing which I would consider a major issue, there are a num=
ber
of places where the text lacks clarity. I think addressing these areas woul=
d
greatly improve the quality of the draft.


Major Issues: None

Minor Issues:=20

Section 1 Introduction

The acronym LSDB is not defined.

Figure 1

I have a personal dislike for duplicating text/pictures from another
spec when that spec could simply be referenced. There are only two
possible outcomes:

1)The duplicated text is redundant (best case)
2)The text differs somewhat from the original leading to possible=20
unintentional misinterpretations.

Suit yourself on this comment - but I would prefer the duplication be omitt=
ed.

Section 2 First paragraph

You refer to "sub-TLV" but that reference is unclear and ambiguous.
IS-IS uses a sub-TLV of Router Capability to advertise tags, but OSPF
uses a TLV of Router Info LSA.
What seems most relevant here is that you are defining a new Attribute
TLV for Node NLRI.

Section 3 Second paragraph

I do not know what the paragraph is trying to say, nor do
I know what the "TBD" in columns 4 and 5 in the following Table 1 is
meant to reference. If you are simply trying to describe the source
of the info advertised by the new BGP-LS Node attribute then you should
rewrite the above paragraph and in the figure below show:

IS-IS 242/21
OSPF RI-LSA/10

Section 3.1

A description of where in the Node NLRI the area/level information can be f=
ound
(from RFC 7752) would be helpful.


Section 3.1 Penultimate Paragraph

As TAGs with "global" scope will be advertised by the IGP multiple
times (once per area/level) I assume you are asking BGP-LS advertisements
to reduce these multiple occurrences to a single occurrence? More
explicit language on that point would be helpful.

Section 3.1 Last paragraph

I recognize this statement regarding policy being used to filter what is
advertised is consistent with RFC 7752. But it would also be good to includ=
e
a statement like:

"Definition of such a policy is outside the scope of this document."

Nits: Please see attached diff file with some editorial corrections.

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Stefano:=20

Did you want early allocation for the code points while we work through =
the documentation process?   If so, I will include this in the WG LC.=20

Sue=20

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stefano previdi
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 3:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-02.txt

FYI,

this version has been cleaned up from all unused TLVs according to the =
changes being done in draft-ietf-[ospf|isis]-segment-routing-extensions.

Due to the number of codepoints this drafts proposes, I=E2=80=99d like =
to ask the chairs to consider the document for publication.

Thanks.
s.




> On Jun 26, 2017, at 8:56 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
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> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.
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>        Title           : BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing
>        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>                          Peter Psenak
>                          Clarence Filsfils
>                          Hannes Gredler
>                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 27
> 	Date            : 2017-06-25
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> Abstract:
>   Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end
>   paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of
>   topological sub-paths, called "segments".  These segments are
>   advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPF and
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>   This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family =
in
>   order to carry segment information via BGP.
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> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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Hi Sue,

Yes, that definitely would help=2E

Thanks=2E

s=2E

On June 28, 2017 5:36:46 PM GMT+02:00, Susan Hares  wro=
te:
>Stefano:=20
>
>Did you want early allocation for the code points while we work through
>the documentation process?   If so, I will include this in the WG LC=2E=
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>
>Sue=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf=2Eorg] On Behalf Of stefano previdi
>Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 3:08 AM
>To: idr wg
>Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-02=2Etxt
>
>FYI,
>
>this version has been cleaned up from all unused TLVs according to the
>changes being done in
>draft-ietf-[ospf|isis]-segment-routing-extensions=2E
>
>Due to the number of codepoints this drafts proposes, I=E2=80=99d like to=
 ask
>the chairs to consider the document for publication=2E
>
>Thanks=2E
>s=2E
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 8:56 AM, internet-drafts@ietf=2Eorg wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories=2E
>> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF=2E
>>=20
>>        Title           : BGP Link-State extensions for Segment
>Routing
>>        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>>                          Peter Psenak
>>                          Clarence Filsfils
>>                          Hannes Gredler
>>                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-02=2Etxt
>> 	Pages           : 27
>> 	Date            : 2017-06-25
>>=20
>> Abstract:
>>   Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end
>>   paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of
>>   topological sub-paths, called "segments"=2E  These segments are
>>   advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPF and
>>   OSPFv3)=2E
>>=20
>>   This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family
>in
>>   order to carry segment information via BGP=2E
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>
>https://datatracker=2Eietf=2Eorg/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routin=
g
>> -ext/
>>=20
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>>
>https://tools=2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext=
-
>> 02
>>
>https://datatracker=2Eietf=2Eorg/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-r=
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>> uting-ext-02
>>=20
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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>https://www=2Eietf=2Eorg/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
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>> g-ext-02
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Hi Sue,



Yes, that definitely would help=2E



Thanks=2E



s=2E

On June 28, 2017 5:36:46 PM GMT+02:=
00, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh=2Ecom> wrote:


Stefano: 

Did you want early allocation f=
or the code points while we work through the documentation process?   If so=
, I will include this in the WG LC=2E 

Sue 

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Of stefano previdi
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 3:08 AM
To: idr wg=

Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-=
ext-02=2Etxt

FYI,

this version has been cleaned up fr=
om all unused TLVs according to the changes being done in draft-ietf-[ospf|=
isis]-segment-routing-extensions=2E

Due to the number of codepoi=
nts this drafts proposes, I’d like to ask the chairs to consider the =
document for publication=2E

Thanks=2E
s=2E




 On Jun 26, 2=
017, at 8:56 AM, internet-drafts@ietf=2Eorg wrote:
 
 
 A Ne=
w Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories=
=2E
 This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF=
=2E
 
        Title           : BGP Link-State extensions for Seg=
ment Routing
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
          =
                Peter Psenak
                          Clarence Filsfi=
ls
                          Hannes Gredler
                     =
     Mach(Guoyi) Chen
  Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-ext-02=2Etxt
  Pages           : 27
  Date            :=
 2017-06-25
 
 Abstract:
   Segment Routing (SR) allows for =
a flexible definition of end-to-end
   paths within IGP topologies by =
encoding paths as sequences of
   topological sub-paths, called "=
segments"=2E  These segments are
   advertised by the link-state =
routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPF and
   OSPFv3)=2E
 
   This d=
raft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family in
   ord=
er to carry segment information via BGP=2E
 
 
 
 The I=
ETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
 https://da=
tatracker=2Eietf=2Eorg/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing
 =
-ext/
 
 There are also htmlized versions available at:
 https://tools=2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-ext-
 02
 https://datatracker=2Eietf=2Eorg/doc=
/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-ro
 uting-ext-02
 
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A diff from the previous version is available at:
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Dear IDR members!


We would like to try to start a discussion before committing actual changes
to the draft. I've tried to aggregate questions that were raised during WG
adoption call, hope this will be helpful.


It was mentioned that while mandatory status of roles is effective way to
speed up deployment process, it may also bring problems with backward
compatibility. Imagine that after software update you will get errors for
your configuration file, that was working fine. For me it seems like a
design problem that should be solved. Our current plan is to make next
changes in the draft:


   1. Remove mandatory status of roles: so, roles SHOULD be set on each BGP
   session instead of MUST. We are also going to make reference to bgp-reject
   draft, so that there will be no route exchange if there is no import/export
   policy or roles;
   2. Remove complex roles. For those who is still looking for more
   flexibility, absence of roles will provide a walk around;
   3. Clarify that iOTC MUST NOT be transmitted through
   *Customer/Provider/Pee*r sessions or unmarked eBGP sessions.

There are also few minor questions such as:


   1. We have two situations when Notification is sent: when there is
   conflict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by one side and other
   side has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes or one is enough?
   2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.

We are looking forward your comments and feedback. I'm planning to push
these changes during weekend.


PS: We would like to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meeting at
Prague.

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Dear IDR membe=
rs!

We would like to try to start a discussion before comm=
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hat were raised during WG adoption call, hope this will be helpful.
=


=
It was mentioned that while mandatory status of roles is effective way to s=
peed up deployment process, it may also bring problems with backward compat=
ibility. Imagine that after software update you will get errors for your co=
nfiguration file, that was working fine. For me it seems like a design prob=
lem that should be solved. Our current plan is to make next changes in the =
draft:
  1. Remove mandatory status=
 of roles: so, roles SHOULD be set on each BGP session instead of MUST. We =
are also going to make reference to bgp-reject draft, so that there will be=
 no route exchange if there is no import/export policy or roles;
    2. Remove complex roles. For those who is still looking for more flexibility=
, absence of roles will provide a walk around;
  2. Clarify that iOT=
C MUST NOT be transmitted through=C2=A0Customer/Provider/Peer sessio=
ns or unmarked eBGP sessions.
There are also few minor questions such as:
  1. We have two situations when Notification i=
s sent: when there is conflict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by=
 one side and other side has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes=
 or one is enough?
  2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.
We are lookin=
g forward your comments and feedback. I'm planning to push these change=
s during weekend.
PS: We would like to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meetin=
g at Prague.

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Hi, Alexander,

Please do remember, that the route-leaks draft is referencing the -open
draft, and using it for assignment of roles.

While I don't currently speak for all my co-authors, I'm pretty sure this
will be a problem.

The issue of upgrades, is something which will need to be addressed by
implementors, but one which does NOT require standardization.

So, specifically, we (IDR) would probably be best served by calling out the
need for support for upgrades, without dictating (either way) how that
should be handled.

My personal opinion is that vendors should offer a knob for how unspecified
BGP neighbors are treated (as a global item), which would be over-ridden by
per-peer config elements.

Something like: bgp default-neighbor-role FOO, and then "neighbor X
local-role FOO", "neighbor X remote-role BAR" (to the degree to which the
open spec handles local vs remote sides of a given peering session).

I disagree that removing complex and removing mandatory are either wise, or
equivalent. Recall that "complex" is something that turns off "all the
safeties", and permits EXPLICITLY all routing advertisements regardless of
relationship to "leaks".

I'm fine with #3 (MUST NOT).

I'm happy to discuss further offline with anyone who would like to chat or
needs to understand the relationship between "role" and "route-leaks".

Brian

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Alexander Azimov  wrote:

> Dear IDR members!
>
>
> We would like to try to start a discussion before committing actual
> changes to the draft. I've tried to aggregate questions that were raised
> during WG adoption call, hope this will be helpful.
>
>
> It was mentioned that while mandatory status of roles is effective way to
> speed up deployment process, it may also bring problems with backward
> compatibility. Imagine that after software update you will get errors for
> your configuration file, that was working fine. For me it seems like a
> design problem that should be solved. Our current plan is to make next
> changes in the draft:
>
>
>    1. Remove mandatory status of roles: so, roles SHOULD be set on each
>    BGP session instead of MUST. We are also going to make reference to
>    bgp-reject draft, so that there will be no route exchange if there is no
>    import/export policy or roles;
>    2. Remove complex roles. For those who is still looking for more
>    flexibility, absence of roles will provide a walk around;
>    3. Clarify that iOTC MUST NOT be transmitted through
>    *Customer/Provider/Pee*r sessions or unmarked eBGP sessions.
>
> There are also few minor questions such as:
>
>
>    1. We have two situations when Notification is sent: when there is
>    conflict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by one side and other
>    side has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes or one is enough?
>    2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.
>
> We are looking forward your comments and feedback. I'm planning to push
> these changes during weekend.
>
>
> PS: We would like to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meeting at
> Prague.
>
> --
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Hi, Alexander,

Please do remember, that=
 the route-leaks draft is referencing the -open draft, and using it for ass=
ignment of roles.

While I don't currently spea=
k for all my co-authors, I'm pretty sure this will be a problem.
<=
div>
The issue of upgrades, is something which will need to b=
e addressed by implementors, but one which does NOT require standardization=
.

So, specifically, we (IDR) would probably be bes=
t served by calling out the need for support for upgrades, without dictatin=
g (either way) how that should be handled.

My pers=
onal opinion is that vendors should offer a knob for how unspecified BGP ne=
ighbors are treated (as a global item), which would be over-ridden by per-p=
eer config elements.

Something like: bgp default-n=
eighbor-role FOO, and then "neighbor X local-role FOO", "nei=
ghbor X remote-role BAR" (to the degree to which the open spec handles=
 local vs remote sides of a given peering session).

I disagree that removing complex and removing mandatory are either wise, =
or equivalent. Recall that "complex" is something that turns off =
"all the safeties", and permits EXPLICITLY all routing advertisem=
ents regardless of relationship to "leaks".

<=
div>I'm fine with #3 (MUST NOT).

I'm happy=
 to discuss further offline with anyone who would like to chat or needs to =
understand the relationship between "role" and "route-leaks&=
quot;.

Brian

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Alexander =
Azimov <aa@qrator.net> wrote:
=

Dear IDR membe=
rs!

We would like to try to start a discussion before comm=
itting actual changes to the draft. I've tried to aggregate questions t=
hat were raised during WG adoption call, hope this will be helpful.
=


=
It was mentioned that while mandatory status of roles is effective way to s=
peed up deployment process, it may also bring problems with backward compat=
ibility. Imagine that after software update you will get errors for your co=
nfiguration file, that was working fine. For me it seems like a design prob=
lem that should be solved. Our current plan is to make next changes in the =
draft:
  1. Remove mandatory status=
 of roles: so, roles SHOULD be set on each BGP session instead of MUST. We =
are also going to make reference to bgp-reject draft, so that there will be=
 no route exchange if there is no import/export policy or roles;
    2. Remove complex roles. For those who is still looking for more flexibility=
, absence of roles will provide a walk around;
  2. Clarify that iOT=
C MUST NOT be transmitted through=C2=A0Customer/Provider/Peer sessio=
ns or unmarked eBGP sessions.
There are also few minor questions such as:
  1. We have two situations when Notification i=
s sent: when there is conflict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by=
 one side and other side has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes=
 or one is enough?
  2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.
We are lookin=
g forward your comments and feedback. I'm planning to push these change=
s during weekend.
PS: We would like to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meetin=
g at Prague.
=

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Hi Les,

Thanks a lot for the review comments. I will reply back addressing your
comments soon.

Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>  I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.
> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes
> on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to
> the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please
> see  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir .
>
> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it
> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
> comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or
> by updating the draft.
>
>
> Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
> Reviewer: Les Ginsberg
> Review Date: June 27, 2017
> Intended Status: Standards
>
> Summary:  The document is of modest scope - covering definition of BGP-LS
> codepoints for a relatively new IGP attribute (Node Admin Tags).
> While I found nothing which I would consider a major issue, there are a
> number
> of places where the text lacks clarity. I think addressing these areas
> would
> greatly improve the quality of the draft.
>
>
> Major Issues: None
>
> Minor Issues:
>
> Section 1 Introduction
>
> The acronym LSDB is not defined.
>
> Figure 1
>
> I have a personal dislike for duplicating text/pictures from another
> spec when that spec could simply be referenced. There are only two
> possible outcomes:
>
> 1)The duplicated text is redundant (best case)
> 2)The text differs somewhat from the original leading to possible
> unintentional misinterpretations.
>
> Suit yourself on this comment - but I would prefer the duplication be
> omitted.
>
> Section 2 First paragraph
>
> You refer to "sub-TLV" but that reference is unclear and ambiguous.
> IS-IS uses a sub-TLV of Router Capability to advertise tags, but OSPF
> uses a TLV of Router Info LSA.
> What seems most relevant here is that you are defining a new Attribute
> TLV for Node NLRI.
>
> Section 3 Second paragraph
>
> I do not know what the paragraph is trying to say, nor do
> I know what the "TBD" in columns 4 and 5 in the following Table 1 is
> meant to reference. If you are simply trying to describe the source
> of the info advertised by the new BGP-LS Node attribute then you should
> rewrite the above paragraph and in the figure below show:
>
> IS-IS 242/21
> OSPF RI-LSA/10
>
> Section 3.1
>
> A description of where in the Node NLRI the area/level information can be
> found
> (from RFC 7752) would be helpful.
>
>
> Section 3.1 Penultimate Paragraph
>
> As TAGs with "global" scope will be advertised by the IGP multiple
> times (once per area/level) I assume you are asking BGP-LS advertisements
> to reduce these multiple occurrences to a single occurrence? More
> explicit language on that point would be helpful.
>
> Section 3.1 Last paragraph
>
> I recognize this statement regarding policy being used to filter what is
> advertised is consistent with RFC 7752. But it would also be good to
> include
> a statement like:
>
> "Definition of such a policy is outside the scope of this document."
>
> Nits: Please see attached diff file with some editorial corrections.
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Hi Les,

Thanks a lot for the review com=
ments. I will reply back addressing your comments soon.

Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:37 PM, L=
es Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:
Hello,



=C2=A0I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this dra=
ft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes o=
n special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to th=
e Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please s=
ee=C2=A0 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rt=
g/trac/wiki/RtgDir .



Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo=
uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF comment=
s that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by upd=
ating the draft.





Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01

Reviewer: Les Ginsberg

Review Date: June 27, 2017

Intended Status: Standards



Summary:=C2=A0 The document is of modest scope - covering definition of BGP=
-LS

codepoints for a relatively new IGP attribute (Node Admin Tags).

While I found nothing which I would consider a major issue, there are a num=
ber

of places where the text lacks clarity. I think addressing these areas woul=
d

greatly improve the quality of the draft.





Major Issues: None



Minor Issues:



Section 1 Introduction



The acronym LSDB is not defined.



Figure 1



I have a personal dislike for duplicating text/pictures from another

spec when that spec could simply be referenced. There are only two

possible outcomes:



1)The duplicated text is redundant (best case)

2)The text differs somewhat from the original leading to possible

unintentional misinterpretations.



Suit yourself on this comment - but I would prefer the duplication be omitt=
ed.



Section 2 First paragraph



You refer to "sub-TLV" but that reference is unclear and ambiguou=
s.

IS-IS uses a sub-TLV of Router Capability to advertise tags, but OSPF

uses a TLV of Router Info LSA.

What seems most relevant here is that you are defining a new Attribute

TLV for Node NLRI.



Section 3 Second paragraph



I do not know what the paragraph is trying to say, nor do

I know what the "TBD" in columns 4 and 5 in the following Table 1=
 is

meant to reference. If you are simply trying to describe the source

of the info advertised by the new BGP-LS Node attribute then you should

rewrite the above paragraph and in the figure below show:



IS-IS 242/21

OSPF RI-LSA/10



Section 3.1



A description of where in the Node NLRI the area/level information can be f=
ound

(from RFC 7752) would be helpful.





Section 3.1 Penultimate Paragraph



As TAGs with "global" scope will be advertised by the IGP multipl=
e

times (once per area/level) I assume you are asking BGP-LS advertisements
to reduce these multiple occurrences to a single occurrence? More

explicit language on that point would be helpful.



Section 3.1 Last paragraph



I recognize this statement regarding policy being used to filter what is
advertised is consistent with RFC 7752. But it would also be good to includ=
e

a statement like:



"Definition of such a policy is outside the scope of this document.&qu=
ot;



Nits: Please see attached diff file with some editorial corrections.





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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules
        Authors         : Susan Hares
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Danny McPherson
                          Christoph Loibl
                          Martin Bacher
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-02.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2017-06-29

Abstract:
   This document updates RFC5575 which defines a Border Gateway Protocol
   Network Layer Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format
   that can be used to distribute traffic flow specifications.  This
   allows the routing system to propagate information regarding more
   specific components of the traffic aggregate defined by an IP
   destination prefix.  This draft specifies IPv4 traffic flow
   specifications via a BGP NLRI which carries traffic flow
   specification filter, and an Extended community value which encodes
   actions a routing system can take if the packet matches the traffic
   flow filters.  The flow filters and the actions are processed in a
   fixed order.  Other drafts specify IPv6, MPLS addresses, L2VPN
   addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP addresses.

   This document updates RFC5575 to correct unclear specifications in
   the flow filters and to provide rules for actions which interfere
   (e.g. redirection of traffic and flow filtering).

   Applications which use the bgp flow specification are: 1) application
   which automate of inter-domain coordination of traffic filtering,
   such as what is required in order to mitigate (distributed) denial-
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   the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service, and 3) applications with
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   deployments of these three applications can be handled by the strict
   ordering of the BGP NLRI traffic flow filters, and the strict actions
   encoded in the Extended Community Flow Specification actions.


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Hi Brian,

Thank you for your feedback!

I was keeping in mind route leak mitigation issue. And for me it seems that
this update should not bring any problem to this field. We are only moving
toward simplification:
we'll have support for 'complex' behaviour without complex role itself.
We'll have no need of default role value, and it's IMO a good thing.

I agree with you that 'mandatory' status makes things different. At the
same time I've got several private feedbacks from network engineers, and
they shared concerns about possible upgrade scenario. I think that breaking
POLA should be treated very carefully. At the same time there will be still
at least four reasons to setup roles:

   - simplification of configuration process and automatic leak prevention;
   - opportunity to control your neighbor configuration;
   - strict mode on other side;
   - automatic route leak detectoin and mitigation.

Do you think it will not be enough to motivate deployment?

2017-06-29 1:24 GMT+03:00 Brian Dickson :

> Hi, Alexander,
>
> Please do remember, that the route-leaks draft is referencing the -open
> draft, and using it for assignment of roles.
>
> While I don't currently speak for all my co-authors, I'm pretty sure this
> will be a problem.
>
> The issue of upgrades, is something which will need to be addressed by
> implementors, but one which does NOT require standardization.
>
> So, specifically, we (IDR) would probably be best served by calling out
> the need for support for upgrades, without dictating (either way) how that
> should be handled.
>
> My personal opinion is that vendors should offer a knob for how
> unspecified BGP neighbors are treated (as a global item), which would be
> over-ridden by per-peer config elements.
>
> Something like: bgp default-neighbor-role FOO, and then "neighbor X
> local-role FOO", "neighbor X remote-role BAR" (to the degree to which the
> open spec handles local vs remote sides of a given peering session).
>
> I disagree that removing complex and removing mandatory are either wise,
> or equivalent. Recall that "complex" is something that turns off "all the
> safeties", and permits EXPLICITLY all routing advertisements regardless of
> relationship to "leaks".
>
> I'm fine with #3 (MUST NOT).
>
> I'm happy to discuss further offline with anyone who would like to chat or
> needs to understand the relationship between "role" and "route-leaks".
>
> Brian
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Alexander Azimov  wrote:
>
>> Dear IDR members!
>>
>>
>> We would like to try to start a discussion before committing actual
>> changes to the draft. I've tried to aggregate questions that were raised
>> during WG adoption call, hope this will be helpful.
>>
>>
>> It was mentioned that while mandatory status of roles is effective way to
>> speed up deployment process, it may also bring problems with backward
>> compatibility. Imagine that after software update you will get errors for
>> your configuration file, that was working fine. For me it seems like a
>> design problem that should be solved. Our current plan is to make next
>> changes in the draft:
>>
>>
>>    1. Remove mandatory status of roles: so, roles SHOULD be set on each
>>    BGP session instead of MUST. We are also going to make reference to
>>    bgp-reject draft, so that there will be no route exchange if there is no
>>    import/export policy or roles;
>>    2. Remove complex roles. For those who is still looking for more
>>    flexibility, absence of roles will provide a walk around;
>>    3. Clarify that iOTC MUST NOT be transmitted through
>>    *Customer/Provider/Pee*r sessions or unmarked eBGP sessions.
>>
>> There are also few minor questions such as:
>>
>>
>>    1. We have two situations when Notification is sent: when there is
>>    conflict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by one side and other
>>    side has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes or one is enough?
>>    2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.
>>
>> We are looking forward your comments and feedback. I'm planning to push
>> these changes during weekend.
>>
>>
>> PS: We would like to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meeting at
>> Prague.
>>
>> --
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>> | mob.: +7 915 360 08 86 <+7%20915%20360-08-86>
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>> | visit: www.qrator.net
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Hi Brian,

Thank you for your feedback!<=
/div>

I was keeping in mind route leak mitigation issue.=
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field. We are only moving toward simplification:
we'll have s=
upport for 'complex' behaviour without complex role itself. We'=
ll have no need of default role value, and it's IMO a good thing.
=


I agree with you that 'mandatory' status makes =
things different. At the same time I've got several private feedbacks f=
rom network engineers, and they shared concerns about possible upgrade scen=
ario. I think that breaking POLA should be treated very carefully. At the s=
ame time there will be still at least four reasons to setup roles:
  • simplification of configuration process and automatic leak preven=
tion;
  • opportunity to control your neighbor configuration;
  • s=
trict mode on other side;
  • automatic route leak detectoin and mitiga=
tion.
Do you think it will not be enough to motivate deployme=
nt?

2017-06-29 1:24 GMT+03:00 Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dic=
kson@gmail.com>:
Hi, Alexander,

Please do remember, that the rou=
te-leaks draft is referencing the -open draft, and using it for assignment =
of roles.

While I don't currently speak for al=
l my co-authors, I'm pretty sure this will be a problem.

=

The issue of upgrades, is something which will need to be addres=
sed by implementors, but one which does NOT require standardization.
<=
div>
So, specifically, we (IDR) would probably be best served=
 by calling out the need for support for upgrades, without dictating (eithe=
r way) how that should be handled.

My personal opi=
nion is that vendors should offer a knob for how unspecified BGP neighbors =
are treated (as a global item), which would be over-ridden by per-peer conf=
ig elements.

Something like: bgp default-neighbor-=
role FOO, and then "neighbor X local-role FOO", "neighbor X =
remote-role BAR" (to the degree to which the open spec handles local v=
s remote sides of a given peering session).

I disa=
gree that removing complex and removing mandatory are either wise, or equiv=
alent. Recall that "complex" is something that turns off "al=
l the safeties", and permits EXPLICITLY all routing advertisements reg=
ardless of relationship to "leaks".

I=
9;m fine with #3 (MUST NOT).

I'm happy to disc=
uss further offline with anyone who would like to chat or needs to understa=
nd the relationship between "role" and "route-leaks".

Brian

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:48=
 PM, Alexander Azimov <aa@qrator.net> wrote:
Dear IDR members!

We w=
ould like to try to start a discussion before committing actual changes to =
the draft. I've tried to aggregate questions that were raised during WG=
 adoption call, hope this will be helpful.
It was mentioned that whi=
le mandatory status of roles is effective way to speed up deployment proces=
s, it may also bring problems with backward compatibility. Imagine that aft=
er software update you will get errors for your configuration file, that wa=
s working fine. For me it seems like a design problem that should be solved=
. Our current plan is to make next changes in the draft:
  1. Remove mandatory status of roles: so, roles SHOU=
LD be set on each BGP session instead of MUST. We are also going to make re=
ference to bgp-reject draft, so that there will be no route exchange if the=
re is no import/export policy or roles;
  2. Remove complex roles. F=
or those who is still looking for more flexibility, absence of roles will p=
rovide a walk around;
  3. Clarify that iOTC MUST NOT be transmitted=
 through=C2=A0Customer/Provider/Peer sessions or unmarked eBGP sessi=
ons.
There =
are also few minor questions such as:
=

  1. We have two situations when Notification is sent: when there is con=
flict pair of roles and when strict mode is set by one side and other side =
has no roles. Should we use two different subcodes or one is enough?
  2. Proper naming of attribute: iOTC vs iOtC.
We are looking forward your comments a=
nd feedback. I'm planning to push these changes during weekend.<=
/p>

PS: We would like=
 to ask IDR chairs to give us a slot during meeting at Prague.

=

-- 
| Alexander Azimov =
=C2=A0| HLL l QRATOR
| skype: mitradir<=
/div>
| mailto:=C2=A0aa@qrator.net
| visit:=C2=A0www.q=
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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.

        Title           : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules
        Authors         : Susan Hares
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Danny McPherson
                          Christoph Loibl
                          Martin Bacher
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-03.txt
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	Date            : 2017-06-29

Abstract:
   This document updates RFC5575 which defines a Border Gateway Protocol
   Network Layer Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format
   that can be used to distribute traffic flow specifications.  This
   allows the routing system to propagate information regarding more
   specific components of the traffic aggregate defined by an IP
   destination prefix.  This draft specifies IPv4 traffic flow
   specifications via a BGP NLRI which carries traffic flow
   specification filter, and an Extended community value which encodes
   actions a routing system can take if the packet matches the traffic
   flow filters.  The flow filters and the actions are processed in a
   fixed order.  Other drafts specify IPv6, MPLS addresses, L2VPN
   addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP addresses.

   This document updates RFC5575 to correct unclear specifications in
   the flow filters and to provide rules for actions which interfere
   (e.g. redirection of traffic and flow filtering).

   Applications which use the bgp flow specification are: 1) application
   which automate of inter-domain coordination of traffic filtering,
   such as what is required in order to mitigate (distributed) denial-
   of-service attacks; 2) application which control traffic filtering in
   the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service, and 3) applications with
   centralized control of traffic in a SDN or NFV context.  Some of
   deployments of these three applications can be handled by the strict
   ordering of the BGP NLRI traffic flow filters, and the strict actions
   encoded in the Extended Community Flow Specification actions.


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   peer is not the same as the BGP Next-Hop, it is useful to also be
   able to advertise the capability of the BGP Next-Hop, in particular
   to advertise forwarding plane features.  This document defines a
   mechanism to advertise such BGP Next Hop dependent Capabilities.

   This document defines a new BGP non-transitive attribute to carry
   Next-Hop Capabilities.  This attribute is guaranteed to be deleted or
   updated when the BGP Next Hop is changed, in order to reflect the
   capabilities of the new BGP Next-Hop.

   This document also defines a Next-Hop capability to advertise the
   ability to process the MPLS Entropy Label as an egress LSR for all
   NLRI advertised in the BGP UPDATE.  It updates RFC 6790 with regard
   to this BGP signaling.



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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability/

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-01

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Hi all,

This version (-01) introduces the following changes:
 o  As discussed in Chicago, Capability code and length encoded over 2 octe=
ts (from one).  IANA registry is now mainly FCFS.=09
 o  Addition of section "Network operation considerations", in	particular t=
o discuss anycast nodes.=09
 o  Enhanced Security consideration (capability advertised to external ASes=
).=09
 o  Editorial changes and typo corrections.

Thanks,
--Bruno

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@iet=
f.org
 > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 4:29 PM
 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
 > Cc: idr@ietf.org
 > Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-01.txt
 >=20
 >=20
 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc=
tories.
 > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.
 >=20
 >         Title           : BGP Next-Hop dependent capabilities
 >         Authors         : Bruno Decraene
 >                           Kireeti Kompella
 >                           Wim Henderickx
 > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-01.txt
 > 	Pages           : 10
 > 	Date            : 2017-06-30
 >=20
 > Abstract:
 >    RFC 5492 advertises the capabilities of the BGP peer.  When the BGP
 >    peer is not the same as the BGP Next-Hop, it is useful to also be
 >    able to advertise the capability of the BGP Next-Hop, in particular
 >    to advertise forwarding plane features.  This document defines a
 >    mechanism to advertise such BGP Next Hop dependent Capabilities.
 >=20
 >    This document defines a new BGP non-transitive attribute to carry
 >    Next-Hop Capabilities.  This attribute is guaranteed to be deleted or
 >    updated when the BGP Next Hop is changed, in order to reflect the
 >    capabilities of the new BGP Next-Hop.
 >=20
 >    This document also defines a Next-Hop capability to advertise the
 >    ability to process the MPLS Entropy Label as an egress LSR for all
 >    NLRI advertised in the BGP UPDATE.  It updates RFC 6790 with regard
 >    to this BGP signaling.
 >=20
 >=20
 >=20
 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability/
 >=20
 > There are also htmlized versions available at:
 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-01
 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability=
-01
 >=20
 > A diff from the previous version is available at:
 > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-01
 >=20
 >=20
 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis=
sion
 > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
 >=20
 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
 > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
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Hi Chairs,

Please find some answers inl=
ine..=C2=A0

=
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admi=
n-tag-extension (6/14/2017 to 6/28/2017). =C2=A0=C2=A0The WG should be=
 aware that this draft has IPR associated with it.=C2=A0 In your responses =
regarding this WG LC, please indicate if you are concerned about the IPR. <=
u>
=C2=A0
The chairs would appreciate if the operators would indicate whe=
ther they would deploy this draft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0
The authors s=
hould within the first 5 days do the following: 
1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Send a statement to the WG indicating whether you know of a=
ny additional IPR,
[Pushpasis] I am not aw=
are of any IPR other than the one already disclosed=C2=A0
 
2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Please res=
pond to the IDR list questions on a daily basis
[Pushpasis] Sure, will be glad to do so.=C2=A0
 
3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Submit a implem=
entation reports to the IDR wiki under the location 
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-01
[Pus=
hpasis] Honestly, I don't know about any implementation(s) of this draf=
t myself. But this draft carries the same node-admin tags in BGP-LS as dist=
ributed by IGPs as specified in RFC 7917 (ISIS Node admin tags) and RFC 777=
7 (OSPF Node admin tags), and I doubt that there is an implementation of th=
ese IGP RFCs yet (I may be wrong though). So I would like to ask the WG if =
implementation report is still an absolute MUST for WGLC or not.=C2=A0

Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis
=C2=A0
The IDR =
WG will do a WG LC on a draft, but it will not forward this draft to the IE=
SG without 2 working implementations. =C2=A0=C2=A0If the these actions are =
not taken within 5 days, will extend the WG LC by 1 week while we wait for =
this information.=C2=A0=C2=A0 
<=
/u>=C2=A0
Cheerily, Sue Hares and John Scu=
dder (co-Chairs) 
Jie Dong (WG secr=
etary) 

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