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        Title           : Methods for Detection and Mitigation of BGP Route Leaks
        Authors         : Kotikalapudi Sriram
                          Doug Montgomery
                          Brian Dickson
                          Keyur Patel
                          Andrei Robachevsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation-07.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2017-09-06

Abstract:
   RFC 7908 provides a definition of the route leak problem, and also
   enumerates several types of route leaks.  This document first
   examines which of those route-leak types are detected and mitigated
   by the existing origin validation (OV) [RFC 6811].  It is recognized
   that OV offers a limited detection and mitigation capability against
   route leaks.  This document specifies enhancements that significantly
   extend the route-leak prevention, detection, and mitigation
   capabilities of BGP.  One solution component involves intra-AS
   messaging from ingress router to egress router using a BGP Community
   or Attribute.  This intra-AS messaging prevents the AS from causing
   route leaks.  Another solution component involves carrying a per-hop
   route-leak protection (RLP) field in BGP updates.  The RLP fields are
   proposed to be carried in a new optional transitive attribute, called
   BGP RLP attribute.  The RLP attribute helps with detection and
   mitigation of route leaks at ASes downstream from the leaking AS.


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Hi,

 Is it mandatory to configure different BGP LS identfier for different ISIS
levels under a given AS? What are the implications if we configure same BGP
LS identifier in different ISIS levels?


Thanks,
Kotesh babu.Chundu

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Automatic Route Target Filtering for legacy PEs
        Authors         : Pradosh Mohapatra
                          Arjun Sreekantiah
                          Keyur Patel
                          Burjiz Pithawala
                          Alton Lo
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-legacy-rtc-08.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2017-09-12

Abstract:
   This document describes a simple procedure that allows "legacy" BGP
   speakers to exchange route target membership information in BGP
   without using mechanisms specified in [RFC4684].  The intention of
   the proposed technique is to help in partial deployment scenarios and
   is not meant to replace [RFC4684].


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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4760,
"Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4".

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5120

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Dale Worley <worley@ariadne.com>

Section: global

Original Text
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section 3:  ... each NLRI ... [2 occurrences]

section 5:  The Network Layer Reachability information is encoded as ...


Corrected Text
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... each NLRI item ...

When the Subsequent Address Family Identifier field is set to one of
the values defined in this document (1 or 2), the NLRI field is encoded
as ...


Notes
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The text in section 3 makes it clear that the NLRI encoding in section 5 is only
specified for SAFI 1 and 2, but the text in section 5 does not state this.  This tends
to cause readers to believe that section 5 applies to any SAFI.  (See, e.g.,
draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis.)  (However, other RFCs do specify similar encoding structures
for some other SAFIs; see, e.g., RFC 3107.)

The wording "each NLRI" is incorrect, as NLRI is a field and there is only one of them in an UPDATE message.

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RFC4760 (draft-ietf-idr-rfc2858bis-10)
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Title               : Multiprotocol Extensions for BGP-4
Publication Date    : January 2007
Author(s)           : T. Bates, R. Chandra, D. Katz, Y. Rekhter
Category            : DRAFT STANDARD
Source              : Inter-Domain Routing
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Working Group Name: Inter-Domain Routing
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Susan Hares

Number of Sessions: 1
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Ketan:

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I will work on expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)).=20

=20

Sue Hares=20

IDR WG Chair=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Jeff/Authors,

=20

Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for early =
allocation of the code points for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please expedite this?

=20

The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code =
points allocated already.

=20

Also, the latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
-02

Node MSD : 1050

Link MSD : 1110

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. =
Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

WG Chairs =E2=80=93

=20

If you have not already done so please initiate early allocation of code =
points for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/

Thanx.

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Cc: Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi All,

=20

The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension =
drafts now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm =
are still pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please =
request for the same at the earliest?=20

=20

We have a collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.

=20

For the record, the previously suggested values were:

=20

      TLV Type                   Value

   --------------------------------------------------------

    1104 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1105 (Suggested)  Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1106 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Delay Variation

=20

    1107 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Packet Loss

=20

    1108 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth

=20

    1109 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Available Bandwidth

=20

    1110 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization

=20

Then from the MSD draft, we have collision

=20

   Code-point: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 15 July 2017 19:48
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

That=E2=80=99s the plan!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

=20

=20

From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "John G. Scudder" =
<jgs@juniper.net>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>, Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>, "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" =
<draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org>, =
"draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org>, =
idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

=20

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:

Would  you want the authors of =
draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd  to remove suggested =
values or wait for early allocation and replace?

=20

=20

The outcome of the IANA Early Allocation process is not directly =
connected to self-assigning (squatting) in the current document. I would =
suggest the squatted codepoint should be removed at the earliest =
opportunity (Monday morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy =
after all.=20

=20

Kind regards,

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Job


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lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will work on =
expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>IDR WG Chair <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> idr wg; =
Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS =
code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Jeff/Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can we know =
the status of the IANA allocation process for early allocation of the =
code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please =
expedite this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other =
two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code points =
allocated already.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also, the =
latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
ting-msd-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-msd-02</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Node MSD : =
1050<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Link MSD : 1110<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2017 10:34<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Jeff Tantsura =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>WG Chairs =E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If you have not already =
done so please initiate early allocation of code points for <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanx.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Les<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les =
Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code =
points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The IANA =
early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension drafts now, =
but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are still =
pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request =
for the same at the earliest? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We have a =
collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For the =
record, the previously suggested values were:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TLV =
Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Value<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
--------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1104 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1105 (Suggested)&nbsp; Min/Max =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1106 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Delay Variation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1107 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Packet Loss<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1108 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1109 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Available Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1110 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Then from =
the MSD draft, we have collision<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Code-point: 1110 =
(Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from =
BGP-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, =
Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs =
registry<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jeff Tantsura [<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a=
>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 15 July 2017 19:48<br><b>To:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s the plan!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: =
</b>Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15<br><b>To: </b>Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;John G. Scudder&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Ketan =
Talaulikar (ketant)&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: =
</b>Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;, Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&gt;, idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at =
15:35, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Would &nbsp;you =
want the authors of draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd&nbsp; =
to remove suggested values or wait for early allocation and =
replace?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>The outcome of the IANA =
Early Allocation process is not directly connected to self-assigning =
(squatting) in the current document. I would suggest the squatted =
codepoint should be removed at the earliest opportunity (Monday =
morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy after =
all.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Ketan and Jeff:=20

=20

After looking at my email and notes on this, I found that I had put this =
on pause because of Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information =
on September 3rd (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).  The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry. =20

=20

Is there a document I should review or put before the IDR WG in addition =
to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd?=20

=20

Susan Hares=20

=20

=20

PS - Normally, I do not do WG calls on Early adoptions during August =
because for 8 years the response has been terrible and then the AD =
(Alvaro) or the IESG asks me if there is support.   Getting this =
response on the 3rd of September slowed down the progress.  I apologize =
for the delay.  I should have actively pushed to get a resolution of the =
msd registry.=20

=20

=20

=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 (This has been informally discussed in the past with some of the folks =
on this thread =E2=80=93 but wanted to present this more formally as the =
set of drafts matures.)

IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =E2=80=93

The authors of:

draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

would like to highlight the point that we wish to create a shared =
protocol independent registry for defining the MSD types which will be =
advertised as described in the three drafts mentioned above. We think =
having a single common registry will make it easier to maintain the =
consistency of additional MSD types when/if they are added in the =
future.

The description of the new registry is most accurately described in the =
IANA section of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:

<snip>

  This document requests the creation of a new IANA managed registry to  =
identify MSD types as proposed in Section 3, Section 4.  The  =
registration procedure is "Expert Review" as defined in [RFC5226]. =
Suggested registry name is "MSD Sub-types".  Types are an unsigned 8    =
bit number.  The following values are defined by this document

       Value     Name                             Reference

      0         Reserved                            This document

      1         Base MSD                           This document

      2-250     Unassigned                    This document

      251-254   Experimental              This document

      255       Reserved                         This document

                Figure 4: MSD Sub-type Codepoints Registry

<end snip>

If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.

Les (on behalf of all the authors)

=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:10 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Ketan:

=20

I will work on expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)).=20

=20

Sue Hares=20

IDR WG Chair=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Jeff/Authors,

=20

Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for early =
allocation of the code points for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please expedite this?

=20

The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code =
points allocated already.

=20

Also, the latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
-02

Node MSD : 1050

Link MSD : 1110

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. =
Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

WG Chairs =E2=80=93

=20

If you have not already done so please initiate early allocation of code =
points for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/

Thanx.

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Cc: Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi All,

=20

The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension =
drafts now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm =
are still pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please =
request for the same at the earliest?=20

=20

We have a collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.

=20

For the record, the previously suggested values were:

=20

      TLV Type                   Value

   --------------------------------------------------------

    1104 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1105 (Suggested)  Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1106 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Delay Variation

=20

    1107 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Packet Loss

=20

    1108 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth

=20

    1109 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Available Bandwidth

=20

    1110 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization

=20

Then from the MSD draft, we have collision

=20

   Code-point: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 15 July 2017 19:48
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

That=E2=80=99s the plan!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

=20

=20

From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "John G. Scudder" =
<jgs@juniper.net>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>, Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>, "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" =
<draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org>, =
"draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org>, =
idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

=20

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:

Would  you want the authors of =
draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd  to remove suggested =
values or wait for early allocation and replace?

=20

=20

The outcome of the IANA Early Allocation process is not directly =
connected to self-assigning (squatting) in the current document. I would =
suggest the squatted codepoint should be removed at the earliest =
opportunity (Monday morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy =
after all.=20

=20

Kind regards,

=20

Job


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<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>After looking at my =
email and notes on this, I found that I had put this on pause because of =
Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information on September =
3<sup>rd</sup> (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).=C2=A0 The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is there a document I =
should review or put before the IDR WG in addition to =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Susan Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>PS - Normally, I do not =
do WG calls on Early adoptions during August because for 8 years the =
response has been terrible and then the AD (Alvaro) or the IESG asks me =
if there is support. =C2=A0=C2=A0Getting this response on the =
3<sup>rd</sup> of September slowed down the progress. =C2=A0I apologize =
for the delay.=C2=A0 I should have actively pushed to get a resolution =
of the msd registry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>(This has been informally =
discussed in the past with some of the folks on this thread =E2=80=93 =
but wanted to present this more formally as the set of drafts =
matures.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The authors =
of:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-msd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>would like to highlight the point =
that we wish to create a shared protocol independent registry for =
defining the MSD types which will be advertised as described in the =
three drafts mentioned above. We think having a single common registry =
will make it easier to maintain the consistency of additional MSD types =
when/if they are added in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The description of the new =
registry is most accurately described in the IANA section of =
draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&lt;snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp; This document requests the =
creation of a new IANA managed registry to&nbsp; identify MSD types as =
proposed in Section 3, Section 4.&nbsp; The =C2=A0registration procedure =
is &quot;Expert Review&quot; as defined in [RFC5226]. Suggested registry =
name is &quot;MSD Sub-types&quot;.&nbsp; Types are an unsigned 8 =
&nbsp;&nbsp; bit number.&nbsp; The following values are defined by this =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; Value&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Reference<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base =
MSD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; =C2=A0=C2=A0This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2-250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Unassigned&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
251-254&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Experimental&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
255&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 4: MSD =
Sub-type Codepoints Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
&lt;end snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Les (on behalf of all the authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:10 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr =
wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code =
points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will work on =
expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>IDR WG Chair <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
September 27, 2017 10:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> idr wg; =
Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS =
code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Jeff/Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can we know =
the status of the IANA allocation process for early allocation of the =
code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please =
expedite this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other =
two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code points =
allocated already.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also, the =
latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
ting-msd-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-msd-02</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Node MSD : =
1050<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Link MSD : 1110<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2017 10:34<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Jeff Tantsura =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>WG Chairs =E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If you have not already =
done so please initiate early allocation of code points for <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanx.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Les<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les =
Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code =
points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The IANA =
early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension drafts now, =
but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are still =
pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request =
for the same at the earliest? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We have a =
collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For the =
record, the previously suggested values were:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TLV =
Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Value<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
--------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1104 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1105 (Suggested)&nbsp; Min/Max =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1106 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Delay Variation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1107 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Packet Loss<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1108 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1109 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Available Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1110 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Then from =
the MSD draft, we have collision<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Code-point: 1110 =
(Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from =
BGP-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, =
Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs =
registry<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jeff Tantsura [<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a=
>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 15 July 2017 19:48<br><b>To:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s the plan!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: =
</b>Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15<br><b>To: </b>Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;John G. Scudder&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Ketan =
Talaulikar (ketant)&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: =
</b>Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;, Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&gt;, idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at =
15:35, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Would &nbsp;you =
want the authors of draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd&nbsp; =
to remove suggested values or wait for early allocation and =
replace?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>The outcome of the IANA =
Early Allocation process is not directly connected to self-assigning =
(squatting) in the current document. I would suggest the squatted =
codepoint should be removed at the earliest opportunity (Monday =
morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy after =
all.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Kind =
regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Job<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></bo=
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Les:

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I=E2=80=99m not trying to block any allocation.  I simply misunderstood =
the email thread where I clarified things with Acee.  I thought you =
wanted to set-up the registry first, and then get the BGP allocation =
afterward.=20

=20

I=E2=80=99m happy to start a WG call for early allocation.   =
Here=E2=80=99s what you=E2=80=99ll answer in the call:

=20

1)      Are there multiple vendors wishing to implement?=20

2)      Is there IPR on the specification?=20

3)      Is the specification stable and accurate?=20

4)      How quickly do the implementers wish to progress the =
specification?

5)      Do you (as an individual) have any concerns on granting this =
early allocation?=20

=20

Do you feel this set of questions is reasonable for this specification?  =
If so,  I=E2=80=99ll start the early allocation call as soon as I =
receive your message.=20

=20

Thank you for clearing up my confusion,

Sue Hares=20

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:17 PM
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant); Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee)
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Sue =E2=80=93

=20

I also am confused.

=20

The thread you included below is =E2=80=93 as Ketan states =E2=80=93 =
about a common registry for defining MSD types.

=20

What Ketan is asking for is early allocation of BGP-LS code points for =
advertising the MSD types in BGP-LS. These are not the same thing and I =
see no reason why early allocation of the BGP-LS codepoints should be =
blocked by the final disposition of the MSD registry.

Given that the MSD registry will be a NEW registry (in whatever =
location), there will be no early allocation for those codepoints =
because there is no existing usage to create potential conflicts. So we =
should be able to go full speed ahead with BGP-LS early allocation.

=20

???

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura';  =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Susan,

=20

Thanks for sharing this and I do remember this discussion. But I thought =
this proposed registry was about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share =
across the protocols.

=20

The early allocation in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code =
points for the Node and Link MSD attributes. These come from within =
BGP-LS registry. The corresponding code-points in OSPF and ISIS have =
already got through the early allocation process after those drafts =
became WG items.

=20

While we do want to close on the common registry for the MSD sub-types =
at the earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for this?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]=20
Sent: 28 September 2017 20:21
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; 'Jeff Tantsura' =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>; 'Stefano Previdi' <stefano@previdi.net>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Ketan and Jeff:=20

=20

After looking at my email and notes on this, I found that I had put this =
on pause because of Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information =
on September 3rd (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).  The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry. =20

=20

Is there a document I should review or put before the IDR WG in addition =
to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd?=20

=20

Susan Hares=20

=20

=20

PS - Normally, I do not do WG calls on Early adoptions during August =
because for 8 years the response has been terrible and then the AD =
(Alvaro) or the IESG asks me if there is support.   Getting this =
response on the 3rd of September slowed down the progress.  I apologize =
for the delay.  I should have actively pushed to get a resolution of the =
msd registry.=20

=20

=20

=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 (This has been informally discussed in the past with some of the folks =
on this thread =E2=80=93 but wanted to present this more formally as the =
set of drafts matures.)

IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =E2=80=93

The authors of:

draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

would like to highlight the point that we wish to create a shared =
protocol independent registry for defining the MSD types which will be =
advertised as described in the three drafts mentioned above. We think =
having a single common registry will make it easier to maintain the =
consistency of additional MSD types when/if they are added in the =
future.

The description of the new registry is most accurately described in the =
IANA section of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:

<snip>

  This document requests the creation of a new IANA managed registry to  =
identify MSD types as proposed in Section 3, Section 4.  The  =
registration procedure is "Expert Review" as defined in [RFC5226]. =
Suggested registry name is "MSD Sub-types".  Types are an unsigned 8    =
bit number.  The following values are defined by this document

       Value     Name                             Reference

      0         Reserved                            This document

      1         Base MSD                           This document

      2-250     Unassigned                    This document

      251-254   Experimental              This document

      255       Reserved                         This document

                Figure 4: MSD Sub-type Codepoints Registry

<end snip>

If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.

Les (on behalf of all the authors)

=20

=20

From: Idr [ <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org> mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =
On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:10 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura';  =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Ketan:

=20

I will work on expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)).=20

=20

Sue Hares=20

IDR WG Chair=20

=20

From: Idr [ <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org> mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =
On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura;  =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Jeff/Authors,

=20

Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for early =
allocation of the code points for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please expedite this?

=20

The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code =
points allocated already.

=20

Also, the latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.

 =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ms=
d-02> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
-02

Node MSD : 1050

Link MSD : 1110

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. =
Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

WG Chairs =E2=80=93

=20

If you have not already done so please initiate early allocation of code =
points for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/

Thanx.

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Cc: Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares;  =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org;  =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi All,

=20

The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension =
drafts now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm =
are still pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please =
request for the same at the earliest?=20

=20

We have a collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.

=20

For the record, the previously suggested values were:

=20

      TLV Type                   Value

   --------------------------------------------------------

    1104 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1105 (Suggested)  Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1106 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Delay Variation

=20

    1107 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Packet Loss

=20

    1108 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth

=20

    1109 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Available Bandwidth

=20

    1110 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization

=20

Then from the MSD draft, we have collision

=20

   Code-point: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 15 July 2017 19:48
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

That=E2=80=99s the plan!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

=20

=20

From: Job Snijders < <mailto:job@instituut.net> job@instituut.net>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15
To: Jeff Tantsura < <mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> =
jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "John G. Scudder" < <mailto:jgs@juniper.net> =
jgs@juniper.net>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" < =
<mailto:ketant@cisco.com> ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi < <mailto:stefano@previdi.net> stefano@previdi.net>, =
Susan Hares < <mailto:shares@ndzh.com> shares@ndzh.com>, " =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" < =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org>, " =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org" < =
<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org>, idr wg < <mailto:idr@ietf.org> =
idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

=20

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:

Would  you want the authors of =
draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd  to remove suggested =
values or wait for early allocation and replace?

=20

=20

The outcome of the IANA Early Allocation process is not directly =
connected to self-assigning (squatting) in the current document. I would =
suggest the squatted codepoint should be removed at the earliest =
opportunity (Monday morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy =
after all.=20

=20

Kind regards,

=20

Job


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lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Les:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I=E2=80=99m not trying =
to block any allocation.=C2=A0 I simply misunderstood the email thread =
where I clarified things with Acee.=C2=A0 I thought you wanted to set-up =
the registry first, and then get the BGP allocation afterward. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I=E2=80=99m happy to =
start a WG call for early allocation.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Here=E2=80=99s what =
you=E2=80=99ll answer in the call:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Are there =
multiple vendors wishing to implement? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is there =
IPR on the specification? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is the =
specification stable and accurate? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>How quickly =
do the implementers wish to progress the =
specification?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Do you (as =
an individual) have any concerns on granting this early allocation? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Do you feel this set of =
questions is reasonable for this specification?=C2=A0 If so,=C2=A0 =
I=E2=80=99ll start the early allocation call as soon as I receive your =
message. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thank you for clearing =
up my confusion,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant); Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr =
wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] =
Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I also am =
confused.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The thread you included =
below is =E2=80=93 as Ketan states =E2=80=93 about a common registry for =
defining MSD types.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>What Ketan is asking for =
is early allocation of BGP-LS code points for advertising the MSD types =
in BGP-LS. These are not the same thing and I see no reason why early =
allocation of the BGP-LS codepoints should be blocked by the final =
disposition of the MSD registry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Given that the MSD =
registry will be a NEW registry (in whatever location), there will be no =
early allocation for those codepoints because there is no existing usage =
to create potential conflicts. So we should be able to go full speed =
ahead with BGP-LS early allocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>???<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Les<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, 2017 =
8:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Cc:</=
b> 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Susan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks for =
sharing this and I do remember this discussion. But I thought this =
proposed registry was about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share =
across the protocols.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The early =
allocation in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code points for the =
Node and Link MSD attributes. These come from within BGP-LS registry. =
The corresponding code-points in OSPF and ISIS have already got through =
the early allocation process after those drafts became WG =
items.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>While we do =
want to close on the common registry for the MSD sub-types at the =
earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Susan Hares [<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">mailto:shares@ndzh.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 28 September 2017 20:21<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; 'Jeff =
Tantsura' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; 'Stefano =
Previdi' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan and Jeff: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>After looking at my =
email and notes on this, I found that I had put this on pause because of =
Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information on September =
3<sup>rd</sup> (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).&nbsp; The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is there a document I =
should review or put before the IDR WG in addition to =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Susan Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>PS - Normally, I do not =
do WG calls on Early adoptions during August because for 8 years the =
response has been terrible and then the AD (Alvaro) or the IESG asks me =
if there is support. &nbsp;&nbsp;Getting this response on the =
3<sup>rd</sup> of September slowed down the progress. &nbsp;I apologize =
for the delay.&nbsp; I should have actively pushed to get a resolution =
of the msd registry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>(This has been informally =
discussed in the past with some of the folks on this thread =E2=80=93 =
but wanted to present this more formally as the set of drafts =
matures.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The authors =
of:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-msd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>would like to highlight the point =
that we wish to create a shared protocol independent registry for =
defining the MSD types which will be advertised as described in the =
three drafts mentioned above. We think having a single common registry =
will make it easier to maintain the consistency of additional MSD types =
when/if they are added in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The description of the new =
registry is most accurately described in the IANA section of =
draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&lt;snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp; This document requests the =
creation of a new IANA managed registry to&nbsp; identify MSD types as =
proposed in Section 3, Section 4.&nbsp; The &nbsp;registration procedure =
is &quot;Expert Review&quot; as defined in [RFC5226]. Suggested registry =
name is &quot;MSD Sub-types&quot;.&nbsp; Types are an unsigned 8 =
&nbsp;&nbsp; bit number.&nbsp; The following values are defined by this =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; Value&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Reference<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base =
MSD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; &nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2-250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Unassigned&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
251-254&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Experimental&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
255&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 4: MSD =
Sub-type Codepoints Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
&lt;end snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Les (on behalf of all the authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [</span><a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mailto:idr-b=
ounces@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, 2017 =
12:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Cc:</=
b> 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS =
code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will work on =
expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>IDR WG Chair <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [</span><a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mailto:idr-b=
ounces@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
September 27, 2017 10:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><b>Cc:</=
b> idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] =
Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Jeff/Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can we know =
the status of the IANA allocation process for early allocation of the =
code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please =
expedite this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other =
two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code points =
allocated already.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also, the =
latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
ting-msd-02"><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-msd-02</span></a><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Node MSD : =
1050<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Link MSD : 1110<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2017 10:34<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Jeff Tantsura =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>WG Chairs =E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If you have not already =
done so please initiate early allocation of code points for </span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/</a><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanx.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Les<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
0in'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les =
Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; =
</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>; </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>draft-ietf-i=
dr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>; idr =
wg<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation =
for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The IANA =
early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension drafts now, =
but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are still =
pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request =
for the same at the earliest? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We have a =
collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For the =
record, the previously suggested values were:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TLV =
Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Value<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
--------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1104 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1105 (Suggested)&nbsp; Min/Max =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1106 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Delay Variation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1107 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Packet Loss<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1108 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1109 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Available Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1110 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Then from =
the MSD draft, we have collision<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Code-point: 1110 =
(Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from =
BGP-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, =
Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs =
registry<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jeff Tantsura [<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a=
>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 15 July 2017 19:48<br><b>To:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s the plan!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Job Snijders &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>job@instituut.net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, =
July 15, 2017 at 16:15<br><b>To: </b>Jeff Tantsura &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, &quot;John G. Scudder&quot; =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>jgs@juniper.net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, &quot;Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant)&quot; &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>ketant@cisco.com</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Stefano =
Previdi &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>stefano@previdi.net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, Susan Hares &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>shares@ndzh.com</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, &quot;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf=
.org</span></a><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&quot; =
&lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf=
.org</span></a><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, =
&quot;</span><a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</span></a><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&quot; &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</span></a><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;, idr wg &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>idr@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Idr] =
Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at =
15:35, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in =
0in;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Would &nbsp;you want =
the authors of draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd&nbsp; to =
remove suggested values or wait for early allocation and =
replace?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>The outcome of the IANA =
Early Allocation process is not directly connected to self-assigning =
(squatting) in the current document. I would suggest the squatted =
codepoint should be removed at the earliest opportunity (Monday =
morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy after =
all.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Kind =
regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Job<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></di=
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From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'" <ketant@cisco.com>, <draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org>
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Hi,

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Great to see we are all on the same page.

There=E2=80=99s IPR that has been disclosed - https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/30=
23/

=20

Thanks,

Jeff

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 11:47
To: "'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'" <ketant@cisco.com>, 'Jeff Tantsura' <jeff=
tant.ietf@gmail.com>, <draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org>
Cc: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>, 'Stefano Previdi' <stefano@previdi.net>, "'Ace=
e Lindem (acee)'" <acee@cisco.com>, "'Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)'" <ginsberg@ci=
sco.com>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Ketan:

=20

No.  The working group would encourage you to get early allocations.  The c=
hair was simply confused.  I thought you wanted to establish the registry fi=
rst. =20

=20

I=E2=80=99m awaiting a response from Les and then I will start the early allocati=
on call today.=20

=20

Sue   =20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg (ginsberg=
)
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Hi Susan,

=20

Thanks for sharing this and I do remember this discussion. But I thought th=
is proposed registry was about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share across=
 the protocols.

=20

The early allocation in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code points f=
or the Node and Link MSD attributes. These come from within BGP-LS registry.=
 The corresponding code-points in OSPF and ISIS have already got through the=
 early allocation process after those drafts became WG items.

=20

While we do want to close on the common registry for the MSD sub-types at t=
he earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS code points early allocatio=
n for this?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]=20
Sent: 28 September 2017 20:21
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; 'Jeff Tantsura' <jefftant=
.ietf@gmail.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>; 'Stefano Previdi' <stefano@previdi.net>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Ketan and Jeff:=20

=20

After looking at my email and notes on this, I found that I had put this on=
 pause because of Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information on September =
3rd (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for consumption).  The following e=
mail chain left me awaiting a draft describing the registry. =20

=20

Is there a document I should review or put before the IDR WG in addition to=
 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd?=20

=20

Susan Hares=20

=20

=20

PS - Normally, I do not do WG calls on Early adoptions during August becaus=
e for 8 years the response has been terrible and then the AD (Alvaro) or the=
 IESG asks me if there is support.   Getting this response on the 3rd of Sep=
tember slowed down the progress.  I apologize for the delay.  I should have =
actively pushed to get a resolution of the msd registry.=20

=20

=20

=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 (This has been informally discussed in the past with some of the folks on =
this thread =E2=80=93 but wanted to present this more formally as the set of draft=
s matures.)

IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =E2=80=93

The authors of:

draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

would like to highlight the point that we wish to create a shared protocol =
independent registry for defining the MSD types which will be advertised as =
described in the three drafts mentioned above. We think having a single comm=
on registry will make it easier to maintain the consistency of additional MS=
D types when/if they are added in the future.

The description of the new registry is most accurately described in the IAN=
A section of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:

<snip>

  This document requests the creation of a new IANA managed registry to  id=
entify MSD types as proposed in Section 3, Section 4.  The  registration pro=
cedure is "Expert Review" as defined in [RFC5226]. Suggested registry name i=
s "MSD Sub-types".  Types are an unsigned 8    bit number.  The following va=
lues are defined by this document

       Value     Name                             Reference

      0         Reserved                            This document

      1         Base MSD                           This document

      2-250     Unassigned                    This document

      251-254   Experimental              This document

      255       Reserved                         This document

                Figure 4: MSD Sub-type Codepoints Registry

<end snip>

If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the set =
of authors) welcome your input.

Les (on behalf of all the authors)

=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:10 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura'; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-seg=
ment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Ketan:

=20

I will work on expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)).=20

=20

Sue Hares=20

IDR WG Chair=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (keta=
nt)
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Hi Jeff/Authors,

=20

Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for early allocation =
of the code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we ple=
ase expedite this?

=20

The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code point=
s allocated already.

=20

Also, the latest versions have removed the code point =E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D bas=
ed on the discussions on this matter on the WG email list here AND at the pa=
st IETF. It would be great though if we could get the same code points as be=
low from IANA, if they are still available.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-0=
2

Node MSD : 1050

Link MSD : 1110

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i=
etf@gmail.com>; Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@junip=
er.net>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; d=
raft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@=
ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

WG Chairs =E2=80=93

=20

If you have not already done so please initiate early allocation of code po=
ints for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/

Thanx.

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Cc: Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext=
@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

Hi All,

=20

The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension drafts =
now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are still p=
ending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request for th=
e same at the earliest?=20

=20

We have a collision right now between these drafts with their previously =E2=80=
=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if this was resolved ASA=
P to aid implementations.

=20

For the record, the previously suggested values were:

=20

      TLV Type                   Value

   --------------------------------------------------------

    1104 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1105 (Suggested)  Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1106 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Delay Variation

=20

    1107 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Packet Loss

=20

    1108 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth

=20

    1109 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Available Bandwidth

=20

    1110 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization

=20

Then from the MSD draft, we have collision

=20
   Code-point: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry
=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 15 July 2017 19:48
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>; Ke=
tan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; d=
raft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@=
ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

That=E2=80=99s the plan!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

=20

=20

From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper=
.net>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "=
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-s=
egment-routing-ext@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org" <draft-iet=
f-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org>, idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts

=20

=20

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote=
:

Would  you want the authors of draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ms=
d  to remove suggested values or wait for early allocation and replace?

=20

=20

The outcome of the IANA Early Allocation process is not directly connected =
to self-assigning (squatting) in the current document. I would suggest the s=
quatted codepoint should be removed at the earliest opportunity (Monday morn=
ing). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy after all.=20

=20

Kind regards,

=20

Job


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pr/3023/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
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e:14.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:14.0pt'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:so=
lid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-left:.5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&g=
t;<br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 11:47<br><b>To: </b>&quot=
;'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'&quot; &lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;, 'Jeff Tantsura'=
 &lt;jefftant.ietf@gmail.com&gt;, &lt;draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-=
msd@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>'idr wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;, 'Stefano Previ=
di' &lt;stefano@previdi.net&gt;, &quot;'Acee Lindem (acee)'&quot; &lt;acee@c=
isco.com&gt;, &quot;'Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)'&quot; &lt;ginsberg@cisco.com&g=
t;<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for=
 WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'marg=
in-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>No.&nbsp; The working group would encourage you to get early a=
llocations.&nbsp; The chair was simply confused.&nbsp; I thought you wanted =
to establish the registry first.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F4=
97D'>I=E2=80=99m awaiting a response from Les and then I will start the early allo=
cation call today. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-le=
ft:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue &nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><sp=
an style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border=
:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan=
 Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org<=
br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early alloca=
tion for WG adopted drafts</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
argin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Susan,</span><o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'marg=
in-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks for sharing this=
 and I do remember this discussion. But I thought this proposed registry was=
 about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share across the protocols.</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ma=
rgin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The early allocation =
in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code points for the Node and Link M=
SD attributes. These come from within BGP-LS registry. The corresponding cod=
e-points in OSPF and ISIS have already got through the early allocation proc=
ess after those drafts became WG items.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</=
span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DE=
N-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>While we do want to close on the common registry =
for the MSD sub-types at the earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS c=
ode points early allocation for this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-=
IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;=
border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal=
 style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Susan Hares [<a href=3D"mailto:shares@n=
dzh.com">mailto:shares@ndzh.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 28 September 2017 20:2=
1<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.c=
om">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; 'Jeff Tantsura' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jefftant.i=
etf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routin=
g-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">=
idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; 'Stefano Previdi' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.=
net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS co=
de points early allocation for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#=
1F497D'>Ketan and Jeff: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'marg=
in-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>After look=
ing at my email and notes on this, I found that I had put this on pause beca=
use of Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information on September 3<sup>rd</s=
up> (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for consumption).&nbsp; The follow=
ing email chain left me awaiting a draft describing the registry.&nbsp; </sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-l=
eft:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is there a document I should review or=
 put before the IDR WG in addition to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-=
msd? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Susan Hares </span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><sp=
an style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>PS - Normally, I do not do =
WG calls on Early adoptions during August because for 8 years the response h=
as been terrible and then the AD (Alvaro) or the IESG asks me if there is su=
pport. &nbsp;&nbsp;Getting this response on the 3<sup>rd</sup> of September =
slowed down the progress. &nbsp;I apologize for the delay.&nbsp; I should ha=
ve actively pushed to get a resolution of the msd registry. </span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D=
'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><s=
pan style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>(T=
his has been informally discussed in the past with some of the folks on this=
 thread =E2=80=93 but wanted to present this more formally as the set of drafts ma=
tures.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt=
;color:black'>IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =E2=80=93</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left=
:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The authors of:</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-botto=
m-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft=
-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span=
 style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:blac=
k'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-le=
ft:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>would like to highlight t=
he point that we wish to create a shared protocol independent registry for d=
efining the MSD types which will be advertised as described in the three dra=
fts mentioned above. We think having a single common registry will make it e=
asier to maintain the consistency of additional MSD types when/if they are a=
dded in the future.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The description of the new registry is most accura=
tely described in the IANA section of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:</=
span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:bl=
ack'>&lt;snip&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-=
size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp; This document requests the creation of a new =
IANA managed registry to&nbsp; identify MSD types as proposed in Section 3, =
Section 4.&nbsp; The &nbsp;registration procedure is &quot;Expert Review&quo=
t; as defined in [RFC5226]. Suggested registry name is &quot;MSD Sub-types&q=
uot;.&nbsp; Types are an unsigned 8 &nbsp;&nbsp; bit number.&nbsp; The follo=
wing values are defined by this document</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.=
5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; Value&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Reference</b><=
/span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:b=
lack'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-lef=
t:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base MSD&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;This doc=
ument</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;c=
olor:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2-250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Una=
ssigned&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-botto=
m-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 251-254&nbsp;&nbsp; Experimental&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This docum=
ent</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;col=
or:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 255&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; This document</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 4: MSD Sub-type Codepoints R=
egistry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext styl=
e=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:black'>&lt;end snip&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dm-7432160=
921776374449msoplaintext style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>If any of you have concerns=
 or suggestions regarding this plan we (the set of authors) welcome your inp=
ut.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext style=3D'm=
argin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>Les (on behalf of all the authors)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</=
span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;bor=
der-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Taho=
ma",sans-serif'> Idr [<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounc=
es@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, S=
eptember 28, 2017 12:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff =
Tantsura'; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.or=
g">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr=
 wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points=
 early allocation for WG adopted drafts</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F=
497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in=
'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will work on expediting this in the morning =
(ET (eastern US)). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-le=
ft:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>IDR WG Chair </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ma=
rgin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div=
><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0i=
n 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Idr [<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounce=
s@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ketan Talau=
likar (ketant)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM<br><b>=
To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing=
-msd@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>=
Cc:</b> idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Re=
gd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted drafts</span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>Hi Jeff/Authors,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for =
early allocation of the code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routin=
g-msd? Can we please expedite this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread h=
ave got the code points allocated already.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lan=
g=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also, the latest versions have removed the cod=
e point =E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on the WG =
email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if we could g=
et the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still available.</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-=
IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura=
-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsu=
ra-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-02</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Node MS=
D : 1050</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><s=
pan lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Link MSD : 1110</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F4=
97D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'=
><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=
Ketan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span=
 lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div styl=
e=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg=
) <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2017 10:34<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (keta=
nt) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Jeff Tan=
tsura &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;; Job Snijders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.ne=
t</a>&gt;; John G. Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.=
net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previd=
i.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@n=
dzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segm=
ent-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-p=
m-bgp@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation =
for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ma=
rgin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>WG Chairs =E2=80=93</span=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-lef=
t:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If you have not already done so please i=
nitiate early allocation of code points for <a href=3D"https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-=
ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanx.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Les</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid blue 1.5pt=
;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C=
4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.=
5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:=
</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> K=
etan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM<b=
r><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg (gin=
sberg)<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-iet=
f-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
ting-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">dr=
aft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</a>; idr wg<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Reg=
d BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted drafts</span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-l=
eft:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#=
1F497D'>The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension =
drafts now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are =
still pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request=
 for the same at the earliest? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>We have a collision right now between these drafts with t=
heir previously =E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if thi=
s was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbs=
p;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span la=
ng=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For the record, the previously suggested valu=
es were:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><s=
pan lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TL=
V Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Value</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; -------------------=
-------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1104 (Suggested)&nbs=
p; Unidirectional Link Delay</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1105 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1106 (Suggested)&n=
bsp; Unidirectional Delay Variation</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1107 (Suggested)=
&nbsp; Unidirectional Packet Loss</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1108 (Suggested)&n=
bsp; Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1109 (Suggest=
ed)&nbsp; Unidirectional Available Bandwidth</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1110 (S=
uggested)&nbsp; Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F4=
97D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'=
><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Then from the MSD draft, we have col=
lision</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><spa=
n lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><pre style=3D'm=
argin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Code-poin=
t: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-</span><o:p></o:=
p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&=
nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attr=
ibute</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs registry</span><o:p></o:p></pre><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><sp=
an lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Keta=
n</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lan=
g=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'b=
order:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Jeff Tantsura [<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sen=
t:</b> 15 July 2017 19:48<br><b>To:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:job=
@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Stef=
ano Previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>=
&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&g=
t;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draf=
t-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ie=
tf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [=
Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:=
p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span lang=3DEN-=
IN>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>T=
hat=E2=80=99s the plan!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.=
5in'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;co=
lor:black'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-lef=
t:.5in'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff</span><o:p></o:p></p=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div style=3D'bor=
der:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:b=
lack'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Job Snijde=
rs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Da=
te: </b>Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15<br><b>To: </b>Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, &quot=
;John G. Scudder&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net<=
/a>&gt;, &quot;Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@ci=
sco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Stefano Previdi &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;, Susan Hares &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-=
segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bg=
p-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">=
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-i=
dr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org</a>&gt;, idr wg &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [=
Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted drafts</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>On Sat, 15 =
Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com=
">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote sty=
le=3D'border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;mar=
gin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>Would &nbsp;you want the authors of d=
raft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd&nbsp; to remove suggested value=
s or wait for early allocation and replace?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>The outcome of the IANA Early=
 Allocation process is not directly connected to self-assigning (squatting) =
in the current document. I would suggest the squatted codepoint should be re=
moved at the earliest opportunity (Monday morning). Uploading new drafts is =
cheap and easy after all.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
 style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'>Job<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></di=
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Cc: "'idr wg'" <idr@ietf.org>, "'Stefano Previdi'" <stefano@previdi.net>, "'Acee Lindem \(acee\)'" <acee@cisco.com>, "'Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)'" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted drafts
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Ketan:

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No.  The working group would encourage you to get early allocations.  =
The chair was simply confused.  I thought you wanted to establish the =
registry first. =20

=20

I=E2=80=99m awaiting a response from Les and then I will start the early =
allocation call today.=20

=20

Sue   =20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Susan,

=20

Thanks for sharing this and I do remember this discussion. But I thought =
this proposed registry was about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share =
across the protocols.

=20

The early allocation in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code =
points for the Node and Link MSD attributes. These come from within =
BGP-LS registry. The corresponding code-points in OSPF and ISIS have =
already got through the early allocation process after those drafts =
became WG items.

=20

While we do want to close on the common registry for the MSD sub-types =
at the earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for this?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]=20
Sent: 28 September 2017 20:21
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; 'Jeff Tantsura' =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>; 'Stefano Previdi' <stefano@previdi.net>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Ketan and Jeff:=20

=20

After looking at my email and notes on this, I found that I had put this =
on pause because of Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information =
on September 3rd (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).  The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry. =20

=20

Is there a document I should review or put before the IDR WG in addition =
to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd?=20

=20

Susan Hares=20

=20

=20

PS - Normally, I do not do WG calls on Early adoptions during August =
because for 8 years the response has been terrible and then the AD =
(Alvaro) or the IESG asks me if there is support.   Getting this =
response on the 3rd of September slowed down the progress.  I apologize =
for the delay.  I should have actively pushed to get a resolution of the =
msd registry.=20

=20

=20

=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 (This has been informally discussed in the past with some of the folks =
on this thread =E2=80=93 but wanted to present this more formally as the =
set of drafts matures.)

IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =E2=80=93

The authors of:

draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

would like to highlight the point that we wish to create a shared =
protocol independent registry for defining the MSD types which will be =
advertised as described in the three drafts mentioned above. We think =
having a single common registry will make it easier to maintain the =
consistency of additional MSD types when/if they are added in the =
future.

The description of the new registry is most accurately described in the =
IANA section of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:

<snip>

  This document requests the creation of a new IANA managed registry to  =
identify MSD types as proposed in Section 3, Section 4.  The  =
registration procedure is "Expert Review" as defined in [RFC5226]. =
Suggested registry name is "MSD Sub-types".  Types are an unsigned 8    =
bit number.  The following values are defined by this document

       Value     Name                             Reference

      0         Reserved                            This document

      1         Base MSD                           This document

      2-250     Unassigned                    This document

      251-254   Experimental              This document

      255       Reserved                         This document

                Figure 4: MSD Sub-type Codepoints Registry

<end snip>

If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.

Les (on behalf of all the authors)

=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:10 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: 'idr wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Ketan:

=20

I will work on expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)).=20

=20

Sue Hares=20

IDR WG Chair=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:21 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Cc: idr wg; Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi Jeff/Authors,

=20

Can we know the status of the IANA allocation process for early =
allocation of the code points for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please expedite this?

=20

The other two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code =
points allocated already.

=20

Also, the latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=
-02

Node MSD : 1050

Link MSD : 1110

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)=20
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. =
Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

WG Chairs =E2=80=93

=20

If you have not already done so please initiate early allocation of code =
points for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/

Thanx.

=20

   Les

=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)
Cc: Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg
Subject: RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

Hi All,

=20

The IANA early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension =
drafts now, but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm =
are still pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please =
request for the same at the earliest?=20

=20

We have a collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.

=20

For the record, the previously suggested values were:

=20

      TLV Type                   Value

   --------------------------------------------------------

    1104 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1105 (Suggested)  Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay

=20

    1106 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Delay Variation

=20

    1107 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Packet Loss

=20

    1108 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth

=20

    1109 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Available Bandwidth

=20

    1110 (Suggested)  Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization

=20

Then from the MSD draft, we have collision

=20

   Code-point: 1110 (Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 15 July 2017 19:48
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>; Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

That=E2=80=99s the plan!

=20

Cheers,

Jeff

=20

=20

From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "John G. Scudder" =
<jgs@juniper.net>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Stefano Previdi <stefano@previdi.net>, Susan Hares =
<shares@ndzh.com>, "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" =
<draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org>, =
"draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org>, =
idr wg <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts

=20

=20

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:35, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:

Would  you want the authors of =
draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd  to remove suggested =
values or wait for early allocation and replace?

=20

=20

The outcome of the IANA Early Allocation process is not directly =
connected to self-assigning (squatting) in the current document. I would =
suggest the squatted codepoint should be removed at the earliest =
opportunity (Monday morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy =
after all.=20

=20

Kind regards,

=20

Job


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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>No.=C2=A0 The working =
group would encourage you to get early allocations.=C2=A0 The chair was =
simply confused.=C2=A0 I thought you wanted to establish the registry =
first.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I=E2=80=99m awaiting a =
response from Les and then I will start the early allocation call today. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; 'Jeff =
Tantsura'; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr =
wg'; 'Stefano Previdi'; Acee Lindem (acee); Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for WG adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Susan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks for =
sharing this and I do remember this discussion. But I thought this =
proposed registry was about MSD sub-types which we wanted to share =
across the protocols.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The early =
allocation in question on this thread is the BGP-LS code points for the =
Node and Link MSD attributes. These come from within BGP-LS registry. =
The corresponding code-points in OSPF and ISIS have already got through =
the early allocation process after those drafts became WG =
items.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>While we do =
want to close on the common registry for the MSD sub-types at the =
earliest, does the WG want to gate the BGP-LS code points early =
allocation for this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Susan Hares [<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">mailto:shares@ndzh.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 28 September 2017 20:21<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; 'Jeff =
Tantsura' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; 'Stefano =
Previdi' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG =
adopted drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan and Jeff: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>After looking at my =
email and notes on this, I found that I had put this on pause because of =
Acee=E2=80=99s note with the following information on September =
3<sup>rd</sup> (I=E2=80=99ve reformatted Acce=E2=80=99s 9/3 note for =
consumption).&nbsp; The following email chain left me awaiting a draft =
describing the registry.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is there a document I =
should review or put before the IDR WG in addition to =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Susan Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>PS - Normally, I do not =
do WG calls on Early adoptions during August because for 8 years the =
response has been terrible and then the AD (Alvaro) or the IESG asks me =
if there is support. &nbsp;&nbsp;Getting this response on the =
3<sup>rd</sup> of September slowed down the progress. &nbsp;I apologize =
for the delay.&nbsp; I should have actively pushed to get a resolution =
of the msd registry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>(This has been informally =
discussed in the past with some of the folks on this thread =E2=80=93 =
but wanted to present this more formally as the set of drafts =
matures.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>IS-IS/OSPF/IDR WG Chairs =
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The authors =
of:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routi=
ng-msd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>would like to highlight the point =
that we wish to create a shared protocol independent registry for =
defining the MSD types which will be advertised as described in the =
three drafts mentioned above. We think having a single common registry =
will make it easier to maintain the consistency of additional MSD types =
when/if they are added in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>The description of the new =
registry is most accurately described in the IANA section of =
draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&lt;snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp; This document requests the =
creation of a new IANA managed registry to&nbsp; identify MSD types as =
proposed in Section 3, Section 4.&nbsp; The &nbsp;registration procedure =
is &quot;Expert Review&quot; as defined in [RFC5226]. Suggested registry =
name is &quot;MSD Sub-types&quot;.&nbsp; Types are an unsigned 8 =
&nbsp;&nbsp; bit number.&nbsp; The following values are defined by this =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; Value&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Reference<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base =
MSD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; &nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2-250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Unassigned&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
251-254&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Experimental&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
255&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Reserved&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; This document<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 4: MSD =
Sub-type Codepoints Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
&lt;end snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
If any of you have concerns or suggestions regarding this plan we (the =
set of authors) welcome your input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dm-7432160921776374449msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Les (on behalf of all the authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, =
2017 12:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'Jeff =
Tantsura'; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg'; =
'Stefano Previdi'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points =
early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I will work on =
expediting this in the morning (ET (eastern US)). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>IDR WG Chair <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
September 27, 2017 10:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> idr wg; =
Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS =
code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Jeff/Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can we know =
the status of the IANA allocation process for early allocation of the =
code points for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd? Can we please =
expedite this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other =
two drafts mentioned in this email thread have got the code points =
allocated already.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also, the =
latest versions have removed the code point =
=E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D based on the discussions on this matter on =
the WG email list here AND at the past IETF. It would be great though if =
we could get the same code points as below from IANA, if they are still =
available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou=
ting-msd-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segmen=
t-routing-msd-02</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Node MSD : =
1050<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Link MSD : 1110<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2017 10:34<br><b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Jeff Tantsura =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>WG Chairs =E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If you have not already =
done so please initiate early allocation of code points for <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp/</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanx.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Les<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
0in'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:24 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Tantsura; Job Snijders; John G. Scudder; Les =
Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br><b>Cc:</b> Stefano Previdi; Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Regd BGP-LS code =
points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The IANA =
early allocation has been done for the BGP-LS SR extension drafts now, =
but the other two drafts related to MSD and draft-idr-te-pm are still =
pending early allocations. May I request the authors to please request =
for the same at the earliest? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We have a =
collision right now between these drafts with their previously =
=E2=80=9Csuggested=E2=80=9D code point values so would appreciate if =
this was resolved ASAP to aid implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For the =
record, the previously suggested values were:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TLV =
Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Value<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
--------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1104 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1105 (Suggested)&nbsp; Min/Max =
Unidirectional Link Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1106 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Delay Variation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1107 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Packet Loss<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1108 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Residual Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1109 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Available Bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1110 (Suggested)&nbsp; =
Unidirectional Bandwidth Utilization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Then from =
the MSD draft, we have collision<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Code-point: 1110 =
(Suggested value - to be assigned by IANA) from =
BGP-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, =
Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-IN style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs =
registry<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jeff Tantsura [<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a=
>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 15 July 2017 19:48<br><b>To:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; John G. =
Scudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;; =
Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;; Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s the plan!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Job Snijders &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: =
</b>Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 16:15<br><b>To: </b>Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;John G. Scudder&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Ketan =
Talaulikar (ketant)&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: =
</b>Stefano Previdi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;, Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bg=
p@ietf.org</a>&gt;, idr wg &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Idr] Regd BGP-LS code points early allocation for WG adopted =
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at =
15:35, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com">jefftant.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in =
0in;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Would &nbsp;you want =
the authors of draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd&nbsp; to =
remove suggested values or wait for early allocation and =
replace?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>The outcome of the IANA =
Early Allocation process is not directly connected to self-assigning =
(squatting) in the current document. I would suggest the squatted =
codepoint should be removed at the earliest opportunity (Monday =
morning). Uploading new drafts is cheap and easy after =
all.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Kind =
regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Job<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></bo=
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This is a WG call to approve the early allocation of code points requested
in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-00.   These points are: 

 

   This document requests IANA to assign 2 new code-points from the BGP-
   LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute
   TLVs registry as specified in sections 3
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-00#se
ction-3>  and 4
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-00#se
ction-4> . (section 5) 
 
 

While considering this early allocation, please consider 

 

1)      Are there multiple vendors wishing to implement? 

2)      Is the specification stable and accurate? 

3)      How quickly do the implementers wish to progress the specification?

4)      Do you have any concerns on granting this early allocation? 

5)      Are you concerned about the IPR on this draft? 

 

There is one IPR Statement on this draft: 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-idr-bgp
-ls-segment-routing-msd> &id=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

 

The authors should indicate if they know of an IPR in addition to this
draft. 

 

For easy access 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-idr-bgp
-ls-segment-routing-msd> &id=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

 

Susan Hares 

 

PS - Thank to Les, Ketan, and Jeff for helping to clear up my confusion


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WG call to approve the early allocation of code points requested in =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-00.&nbsp;&nbsp; These points =
are: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; This document requests IANA to assign =
2 new code-points from the BGP-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, =
Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; TLVs registry as specified in =
sections <a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing=
-msd-00#section-3">3</a> and <a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing=
-msd-00#section-4">4</a>. (section 5) <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
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style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><p =
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consider <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Are there =
multiple vendors wishing to implement? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Hello again,
 I had a couple of further questions / clarifications.
1. Binding SID Sub tlv encoding:
 Please confirm that the BSID Sub-tlv with length =3D 6 (4 octet SID)
contains the MPLS label in the lower 20 bits.
Btw, is a Binding SID always a full label and never an index? It's not
mentioned so explicitly in draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-01

2. How to treat received weight sub-tlv with weight=3D0 ?
If we plug weight =3D 0 in the formula in section 7.1 of the SR TE draft,
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-01=
#section-7.1,
then we end up with 0/Sw, so the segment list won't get any traffic
(essentially the segment list isn't present).
To me a weight =3D 0 seems useless and if we allow it we will get into some
strange corner cases, like if the policy has only one segment list, but its
weight is 0, should it then be treated as an unacceptable policy and
treat-as-withdraw?
It would be simpler to either limit the weight to be > 0 and if 0 is
received treat it as if no weight was received. Does that make sense?
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Nandan

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com> wrote:

> Thank you Stefano for clarifying.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:12 PM, stefano previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nandan,
>>
>> sorry for being late. See below.
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I have some questions on the NLRI encoding.
>> > 1. Can the value of NLRI length be less than 96 for IPv4 AFI and less
>> > than 192 for IPv6 AFI? IOW, can it be less than full mask length for
>> > the end point address?
>>
>> no.
>>
>>
>> > 2. If the answer to (1) is "yes", then what is the rationale for
>> > keeping the end point address field of the NLRI fixed length? (4 or 16
>> > bytes depending on AFI). Should the end point become variable length
>> > like the NLRI encoding defined in RFC4760?
>> > 3. If the answer to (1) is "no", how are summary addresses to be
>> represented?
>>
>>
>> there=E2=80=99s no such concept of =E2=80=9Csummary address=E2=80=9D for=
 the endpoint encoding.
>> The draft is going to be updated and the term =E2=80=9Csummary address=
=E2=80=9D will be
>> removed from the endpoint filed description. Sorry for the confusiuon.
>>
>>
>> > Another question which is unrelated to the changes in version 7 of the
>> draft.
>> > Section "4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI" says
>> > " If the NLRI is not one of the legal lengths, a router supporting
>> > this document and that imports the route MUST consider it to be
>> > malformed and MUST apply the "treat-as-withdraw" strategy of [RFC7606]
>> > "
>> > It's not clear to me how a receiver can extract a valid route from a
>> > malformed NLRI.
>>
>>
>> you just have to check the nlri length.
>>
>>
>> > The "treat-as-withdraw" can be applied if the NLRI is
>> > well formed but some other attributes are malformed, which seems to be
>> > implied by the following line at the end of the subsection
>> > "A unacceptable SR Policy update that has an invalid NLRI portion MUST
>> > trigger a reset of the BGP session.=E2=80=9D
>>
>>
>> that is correct.
>>
>> s.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> > Best regards,
>> > Nandan
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:30 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> >> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.
>> >>
>> >>        Title           : Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP
>> >>        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>> >>                          Clarence Filsfils
>> >>                          Paul Mattes
>> >>                          Eric Rosen
>> >>                          Steven Lin
>> >>        Filename        : draft-previdi-idr-segment-rout
>> ing-te-policy-07.txt
>> >>        Pages           : 30
>> >>        Date            : 2017-06-23
>> >>
>> >> Abstract:
>> >>   This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
>> >>   advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing Policy (SR Policy).
>> >>   An SR Policy is a set of candidate paths consisting of one or more
>> >>   segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
>> >>   candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned v=
ia
>> >>   a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
>> >>   This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
>> >>   distribute candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
>> >>   Encapsulation Attribute are defined.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-segment-r
>> outing-te-policy/
>> >>
>> >> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-previdi-idr-segment-routin
>> g-te-policy-07
>> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-previdi-idr-segm
>> ent-routing-te-policy-07
>> >>
>> >> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-previdi-idr-segment-
>> routing-te-policy-07
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> submission
>> >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>> >>
>> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello again,<div>=C2=A0I had a couple of further questions=
 / clarifications.</div><div>1. Binding SID Sub tlv encoding:</div><div>=C2=
=A0Please confirm that the BSID Sub-tlv with length =3D 6 (4 octet SID) con=
tains the MPLS label in the lower 20 bits.<br></div><div>Btw, is a Binding =
SID always a full label and never an index? It&#39;s not mentioned so expli=
citly in=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-01</div><div><br=
></div><div>2. How to treat received weight sub-tlv with weight=3D0 ?</div>=
<div>If we plug weight =3D 0 in the formula in section 7.1 of the SR TE dra=
ft, <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-ro=
uting-policy-01#section-7.1">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spr=
ing-segment-routing-policy-01#section-7.1</a>, then we end up with 0/Sw, so=
 the segment list won&#39;t get any traffic (essentially the segment list i=
sn&#39;t present).=C2=A0</div><div>To me a weight =3D 0 seems useless and i=
f we allow it we will get into some strange corner cases, like if the polic=
y has only one segment list, but its weight is 0, should it then be treated=
 as an unacceptable policy and treat-as-withdraw?<br></div><div>It would be=
 simpler to either limit the weight to be &gt; 0 and if 0 is received treat=
 it as if no weight was received. Does that make sense?</div><div>Any thoug=
hts on this?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Nandan</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 20=
17 at 1:01 PM, Nandan Saha <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@a=
rista.com" target=3D"_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you Stefano for clarifyi=
ng.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:12 PM, stef=
ano previdi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Hi Nandan,<br>
<br>
sorry for being late. See below.<br>
<span><br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@a=
rista.com" target=3D"_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hello!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have some questions on the NLRI encoding.<br>
&gt; 1. Can the value of NLRI length be less than 96 for IPv4 AFI and less<=
br>
&gt; than 192 for IPv6 AFI? IOW, can it be less than full mask length for<b=
r>
&gt; the end point address?<br>
<br>
</span>no.<br>
<span><br>
<br>
&gt; 2. If the answer to (1) is &quot;yes&quot;, then what is the rationale=
 for<br>
&gt; keeping the end point address field of the NLRI fixed length? (4 or 16=
<br>
&gt; bytes depending on AFI). Should the end point become variable length<b=
r>
&gt; like the NLRI encoding defined in RFC4760?<br>
&gt; 3. If the answer to (1) is &quot;no&quot;, how are summary addresses t=
o be represented?<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>there=E2=80=99s no such concept of =E2=80=9Csummary address=E2=80=9D=
 for the endpoint encoding. The draft is going to be updated and the term =
=E2=80=9Csummary address=E2=80=9D will be removed from the endpoint filed d=
escription. Sorry for the confusiuon.<br>
<span><br>
<br>
&gt; Another question which is unrelated to the changes in version 7 of the=
 draft.<br>
&gt; Section &quot;4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI&quot; says<br>
&gt; &quot; If the NLRI is not one of the legal lengths, a router supportin=
g<br>
&gt; this document and that imports the route MUST consider it to be<br>
&gt; malformed and MUST apply the &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot; strategy of=
 [RFC7606]<br>
&gt; &quot;<br>
&gt; It&#39;s not clear to me how a receiver can extract a valid route from=
 a<br>
&gt; malformed NLRI.<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>you just have to check the nlri length.<br>
<span><br>
<br>
&gt; The &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot; can be applied if the NLRI is<br>
&gt; well formed but some other attributes are malformed, which seems to be=
<br>
&gt; implied by the following line at the end of the subsection<br>
&gt; &quot;A unacceptable SR Policy update that has an invalid NLRI portion=
 MUST<br>
</span>&gt; trigger a reset of the BGP session.=E2=80=9D<br>
<br>
<br>
that is correct.<br>
<span class=3D"m_-4023735616841598417HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
s.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"m_-4023735616841598417HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-=
4023735616841598417h5"><br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thank you!<br>
&gt; Best regards,<br>
&gt; Nandan<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:30 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=
 directories.<br>
&gt;&gt; This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0: Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0: Stefano Previdi<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Clarence Filsfils<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul Mattes<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eric Rosen<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Steven Lin<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : d=
raft-previdi-idr-segment-rout<wbr>ing-te-policy-07.txt<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0: 30<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 : 2017-06-23<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI i=
n order to<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing Policy=
 (SR Policy).<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0An SR Policy is a set of candidate paths consisting of=
 one or more<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0segment lists.=C2=A0 The headend of an SR Policy may l=
earn multiple<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0candidate paths for an SR Policy.=C2=A0 Candidate path=
s may be learned via<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, =
PCEP, or BGP.<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the way in which BGP may be us=
ed to<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribute candidate paths.=C2=A0 New sub-TLVs for the=
 Tunnel<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Encapsulation Attribute are defined.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-previdi-idr-segm=
ent-routing-te-policy/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatr=
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