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pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.176.248.72; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Alvaro Retana'" Cc: , , , References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B33E27F@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 08:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <005701d500e0$fe5f9950$fb1ecbf0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01D500BF.77504340" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLwizzIPZNvq12rx7rT1Vjxn5nk+QLOzUgrAvNkDmwA9dp29wF9SFXqAy2twH4B2uw7i6O2u7JA Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190502-0, 05/02/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBbSTJuc2ZdIOetlOWkjTogW0lQc2VjXSB1c2lu?= =?utf-8?q?g_BGP_signaling_to_achieve_IPsec_Tunnel_configuration_=28draft-?= =?utf-8?q?hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=29=3A_potential_conflict_with_the_I2NSF=27s?= =?utf-8?q?_Controller_facilitated_IPsec_configuration?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 12:17:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D500BF.77504340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvaro:=20 =20 Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels? Do you want to talk = as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF chairs?=20 =20 Sue Hares =20 From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:20 AM To: Linda Dunbar Cc: ipsec@ietf.org WG; idr-chairs@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org; idr = wg; i2nsf@ietf.org; Subject: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [I2nsf] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [IPsec] = using BGP signaling to achieve IPsec Tunnel configuration = (draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec): potential conflict with the I2NSF's = Controller facilitated IPsec configuration =20 On April 2, 2019 at 5:21:09 AM, Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & = Patent Dept) (frank.xialiang@huawei.com) wrote: =20 [Trimmed individual addresses and consolidated (sec-ads, i2nsf-chairs) = to avoid a bounce + bess-chairs + rtg-ads.] =20 Hi! =20 Thank you all for the discussion. I=E2=80=99m replying to this message = to pick on what Frank said=E2=80=A6but in reality is a general reply to = the thread. =20 the key point is...the function gaps each draft can fill in. Because there are several drafts that may overlap in function and = content, I have asked John/Sue (idr-chairs) to work with = Stephane/Matthew (bess-chairs) in figuring out the overlaps and helping = the authors (if needed) to rationalize what should go forward and what = is not needed because it may be a duplicate=E2=80=A6at least starting = from the RTG area point of view. Once the consolidation is done, we should have a clearer picture on the = type of interaction we need to have with i2nsf/ipsecme. Since we=E2=80=99re all just getting back from Prague, please give the = Chairs a little bit of time. Thanks! Alvaro. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D500BF.77504340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alvaro:

 

Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you = want to talk as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF = chairs?

 

Sue Hares

 

From:= = Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = April 2, 2019 10:20 AM
To: Linda Dunbar
Cc: = ipsec@ietf.org WG; idr-chairs@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org; idr wg; = i2nsf@ietf.org; <rtg-ads@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [I2nsf] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [IPsec] = using BGP signaling to achieve IPsec Tunnel configuration = (draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec): potential conflict with the I2NSF's = Controller facilitated IPsec = configuration

 

On April = 2, 2019 at 5:21:09 AM, Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent = Dept) (frank.xialiang@huawei.com) = wrote:

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[Trimmed = individual addresses and consolidated (sec-ads, i2nsf-chairs) to avoid a = bounce  + bess-chairs + = rtg-ads.]

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Hi!<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

Thank = you all for the discussion.  I=E2=80=99m replying to this message = to pick on what Frank said=E2=80=A6but in reality is a general reply to = the thread.  

the key point = is...the function gaps each draft can fill in.

Because = there are several drafts that may overlap in function and content, I = have asked John/Sue (idr-chairs) to work with Stephane/Matthew = (bess-chairs) in figuring out the overlaps and helping the authors (if = needed) to rationalize what should go forward and what is not needed = because it may be a duplicate=E2=80=A6at least starting from the RTG = area point of view.

Once the = consolidation is done, we should have a clearer picture on the type of = interaction we need to have with = i2nsf/ipsecme.

Since = we=E2=80=99re all just getting back from Prague, please give the Chairs = a little bit of time.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D500BF.77504340-- From nobody Thu May 2 06:13:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99DF12036E; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:13:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRgGBfHnyxeG; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C41F1200C5; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.176.248.72; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00c901d500e8$de7722e0$9b6568a0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D500C7.57664630" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUA6N2Rf+SOd1UySuqIw1eSDjH8ZQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190502-0, 05/02/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 13:13:49 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D500C7.57664630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ Please consider the following questions in commenting on the 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technical solution? 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implementation? One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort - so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues with this draft. Cheerily, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D500C7.57664630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following questions in commenting = on the

 

1)      = Does this draft needed = support for the SRV6?

2)      = Is this draft a good = starting point for the BGP support for SRv6?

3)      = Do you know of any = technical issues regarding this draft?

If so, do these technical issues present any = major problems to the technical solution?

 

4)      = Do you know of any = existing implementations or any plans for implementation? =

 

One special note, if you mentioning technical issues = regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  Our goal is to = provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely = fashion.  The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort – so = it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues with this = draft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  

 

------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01D500C7.57664630-- From nobody Thu May 2 06:28:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7EC120135 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N80V-e4BGgbF for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45B9A120020 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.176.248.72; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:28:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00fd01d500ea$e8709fe0$b951dfa0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D500C9.616149D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUA5TbE8WM5MwuRRe2vYSq7mwOEQQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190502-0, 05/02/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 13:28:26 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D500C9.616149D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings idr - To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will be sending out weekly status updates. Please let me know if these status updates are helpful. Cheerily, Sue Hares Status as of 5/2/2019 ------------- Drafts in adoption process: The following 3 drafts have no objections and solid reasons behind adoption. The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019. 1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] - 2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions - [4/18 - 5/2] 3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo - [4/16 - 4/30] 4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext - [4/18 - 5/2] - extended to 5/9 5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext - [5/2 to 5/16] The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared. Flow Specification drafts -------------------------- 1) Flow-specification base draft: RFC5575bis Please review John Scudder's call for input on the mail list regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for: a) packet rate in bytes, and b) error handling and future NLRI Flow-specification draft authors should update their documents to include RFC5575bis. These drafts include: 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt 2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt 3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt 4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect 5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset 6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label 7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10 I may have missed another flowpec draft. If so, would the authors please send me a note. I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. WG LC 1. RFC8203bis - [5/6 to 5/20] Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder) Early allocations calls ------------------------------ no objection noted in the emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation: 1. draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04 - 2. draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt - 3. draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in email. 4. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] Chairs/Shepherds Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3) 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares shepherd] 2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares shepherd] If you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and comments to the shepherd. The following drafts are undergoing active shepherd engagement 1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11 [John Scudder] 2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D500C9.616149D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = idr –

 

To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will = be sending out weekly status updates.   Please let me know if = these status updates are helpful.

 

Cheerily, = Sue Hares

 

Status as of 5/2/2019

-------------

Drafts in adoption process:

   The following 3 drafts have no = objections and solid reasons behind adoption. 

    The chairs will be reviewing = these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019.

 

1.       = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] = –   

2.       = draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions – =  [4/18 – 5/2]

3.       = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo –  [4/16 = – 4/30]

4.       = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext – [4/18 = – 5/2]  - extended to 5/9

5.       = draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext – [5/2 to 5/16] =

 

The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should = start

a discussion to determine all = issues have been cleared.

 

Flow = Specification drafts

--------------------------

1)      = Flow-specification base = draft:  RFC5575bis

   Please review John Scudder’s = call for input on the mail list

   regarding the 4 implementation lack = of support for:  

a)      = packet rate in bytes, and =

b)      = error handling and future = NLRI

 

Flow-specification draft authors should update their = documents to include RFC5575bis.  

These drafts include: =

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt

3.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt

4.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect

5.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset

6.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label

7.       = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

I may have = missed another flowpec draft.  If so, would the authors please send = me a note.

I would like to start WG = LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. =

 

WG LC

1.       = RFC8203bis – [5/6 = to 5/20]  

Status: = Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder)

   

Early = allocations calls

------------------------------

no objection noted in the emails, these will be = forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation:

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04  -  <= /a>

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt   – =   

3.       = draft = draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution  

 

Early = allocation call in progress, but some questions in email. =

4.       = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to = 5/14/2019]

 

Chairs/Shepherds

Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3) =

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares = shepherd]

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue = Hares shepherd]

 

If = you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and = comments to the shepherd.

 

The = following drafts are undergoing active shepherd = engagement

  1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11  [John = Scudder]
  2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] =

 

 

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue/All, Support as co-author. 1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? Yes. This enables the reporting of SRv6 information from multi-domain IGP t= opologies via BGP-LS to centralized applications/consumers that can leverag= e this information for use-cases like TE. 1. Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? It is actually for BGP-LS support for SRv6. There is a separate draft-dawra= -bess-srv6-services which was presented in BESS that covers the BGP service= s (Global, VPN, EVPN). 1. Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? No. 1. Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implemen= tation? Yes. We have implementation and deployment plans. Would like to request ear= ly allocation of code-points post adoption. Thanks, Ketan From: Susan Hares Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44 To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ Please consider the following questions in commenting on the 1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? 2. Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? 3. Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? 1. Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implemen= tation? One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it c= an be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Sp= ring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the Sprin= g effort - so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues wi= th this draft. Cheerily, Sue Hares --_000_SN6PR11MB28453B5F90F22039CD2F4CAAC1340SN6PR11MB2845namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue/Al= l,

&nbs= p;

Support a= s co-author.

&nbs= p;

 

  1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6?

Yes. This enables the reporting= of SRv6 information from multi-domain IGP topologies via BGP-LS to central= ized applications/consumers that can leverage this information for use-case= s like TE.

 

  1. Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP = support for SRv6?

It is actually for BGP-LS suppo= rt for SRv6. There is a separate draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services which was p= resented in BESS that covers the BGP services (Global, VPN, EVPN).

 

  1. Do you know of any technical issues regarding th= is draft?

If so, do these technica= l issues present any major problems to the technical solution?

No.

 =

  1. Do you know of any existing implementations or a= ny plans for implementation?

Yes. We have implementation and= deployment plans. Would like to request early allocation of code-points po= st adoption.

 

Thanks,

Ketan

&nbs= p;

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/1= 6/2018]

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoptio= n call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following q= uestions in commenting on the

 

  1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6?
  2. Is this draft a good star= ting point for the BGP support for SRv6?
  3. Do you know of any techni= cal issues regarding this draft?

If so, do these technica= l issues present any major problems to the technical solution?

 =

  1. Do you know of any existing implementations or a= ny plans for implementation?

 

One special note, if you mentio= ning technical issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  = Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a time= ly fashion.  The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort – so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved a= ny issues with this draft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  =

 

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[73.231.117.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k9sm51878778pga.22.2019.05.02.08.02.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2019 08:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C21C77AB-ADF1-4601-AF6F-9FE1A73D8660 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 08:02:43 -0700 Cc: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <83AC1968-AE1B-485C-A382-8648E826E279@gmail.com> References: <00c901d500e8$de7722e0$9b6568a0$@ndzh.com> To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 15:02:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-C21C77AB-ADF1-4601-AF6F-9FE1A73D8660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, Support as Author. I concur and have same as Ketan=E2=80=99s response below.= Cheers, Gaurav LinkedIn Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) w= rote: >=20 > Hi Sue/All, > =20 > Support as co-author. > =20 > =20 > Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? > Yes. This enables the reporting of SRv6 information from multi-domain IGP t= opologies via BGP-LS to centralized applications/consumers that can leverage= this information for use-cases like TE. > =20 > Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? > It is actually for BGP-LS support for SRv6. There is a separate draft-dawr= a-bess-srv6-services which was presented in BESS that covers the BGP service= s (Global, VPN, EVPN). > =20 > Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? > If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technic= al solution? > No. > =20 > Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implementatio= n? > Yes. We have implementation and deployment plans. Would like to request ea= rly allocation of code-points post adoption. > =20 > Thanks, > Ketan > =20 > From: Susan Hares =20 > Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44 > To: idr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org > Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018= ] > =20 > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 > =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ > =20 > Please consider the following questions in commenting on the > =20 > Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? > Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? > Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? > If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technic= al solution? > =20 > Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implementatio= n? > =20 > One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it c= an be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Spr= ing BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the Spring e= ffort =E2=80=93 so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issue= s with this draft. > =20 > Cheerily, Sue Hares =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-C21C77AB-ADF1-4601-AF6F-9FE1A73D8660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue,

Support as Autho= r. I concur and have same as Ketan=E2=80=99s response below.

<= /div>
Cheers,

Gaurav
LinkedIn

Sent from my iPhone
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
On May 2, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &l= t;ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
=

Hi Sue/All= ,

 = ;

Support as= co-author.

 = ;

 

  1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6?

Yes. This enables the reporting o= f SRv6 information from multi-domain IGP topologies via BGP-LS to centralize= d applications/consumers that can leverage this information for use-cases li= ke TE.

 

  1. Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP su= pport for SRv6?

It is actually for BGP-LS suppor= t for SRv6. There is a separate draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services which was pre= sented in BESS that covers the BGP services (Global, VPN, EVPN).<= /span>

 

  1. Do you know of any technical issues regarding this= draft?

If so, do these technical= issues present any major problems to the technical solution?

No.

 <= /p>

  1. Do you know of any existing implementations or any= plans for implementation?

Yes. We have implementation and d= eployment plans. Would like to request early allocation of code-points post a= doption.

 

Thanks,

Ketan=

 = ;

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<= /a>>
Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-= dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16= /2018]

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption= call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following qu= estions in commenting on the

 

  1. Does this draft needed support for the SRV6?
  2. Is this draft a good starti= ng point for the BGP support for SRv6?
  3. Do you know of any technica= l issues regarding this draft?

If so, do these technical= issues present any major problems to the technical solution?

 <= /p>

  1. Do you know of any existing implementations or any= plans for implementation?

 

One special note, if you mention= ing technical issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  Ou= r goal is to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely f= ashion.  The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort =E2=80=93 so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved a= ny issues with this draft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  <= /o:p>

 

= --Apple-Mail-C21C77AB-ADF1-4601-AF6F-9FE1A73D8660-- From nobody Thu May 2 08:04:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B5F1203DC; Thu, 2 May 2019 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155680945944.24918.13950978865572323347@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 08:04:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 15:04:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) Policies and State using BGP-LS Authors : Stefano Previdi Ketan Talaulikar Jie Dong Mach(Guoyi) Chen Hannes Gredler Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2019-05-02 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism to collect the Traffic Engineering and Policy information that is locally available in a node and advertise it into BGP Link State (BGP-LS) updates. Such information can be used by external components for path computation, re-optimization, service placement, network visualization, etc. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Nikos.- On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 6:14 AM Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ > > > > Please consider the following questions in commenting on the > > > > 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? > > 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? > > 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? > > If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the > technical solution? > > > > 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for > implementation? > > > > One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it > can be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the > Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the > Spring effort =E2=80=93 so it would be helpful to mention and get resolve= d any > issues with this draft. > > > > Cheerily, Sue Hares > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000b5690c0587e95be3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support.

Nikos.-

On Thu, May 2, = 2019 at 6:14 AM Susan Hares <shares@n= dzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for dra= ft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

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https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

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Please consi= der the following questions in commenting on the

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1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? =

2= )=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Is this draft a goo= d starting point for the BGP support for SRv6?

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any technical is= sues regarding this draft?

If so, do these technical issues present any maj= or problems to the technical solution?

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4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any existing impleme= ntations or any plans for implementation?

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One special note, if= you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the= WG.=C2=A0 Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS wor= k in a timely fashion.=C2=A0 The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort = =E2=80=93 so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues wit= h this draft.

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Cheerily, Sue Hares =C2=A0

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Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 02 May 2019 20:34 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Distribution of Traffic Engineering (TE) Policies= and State using BGP-LS Authors : Stefano Previdi Ketan Talaulikar Jie Dong Mach(Guoyi) Chen Hannes Gredler Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution-11.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2019-05-02 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism to collect the Traffic Engineering and Policy information that is locally available in a node and advertise it into BGP Link State (BGP-LS) updates. 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quoted-printable Hi Sue/All, Thanks for this call. I support the early allocation for remaining TLVs. Regards, Dhanendra. On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Mattes wrote= : > I support the early allocation. > > > > *pdm* > > > > *From:* Susan Hares > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:57 AM > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org > *Subject:* Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy= / > > > > > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with > existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP > sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early > assignment. Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not > need early allocation. > > > > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have > indicated their preference for values on this email list. > > > > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need > these values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > --0000000000009173010587ea8a58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sue/All,

Thanks for this call. I sup= port the early allocation for remaining TLVs.

Rega= rds,
Dhanendra.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Mattes= <pamattes@microsoft.com&g= t; wrote:

I support the early allocation.

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This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for d= raft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-= routing-te-policy/

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Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to= some values with existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are = 3 values:=C2=A0 (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) t= hat need early assignment. =C2=A0=C2=A0Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allocation. <= /u>

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Please comment early and often on early allocation. = =C2=A0=C2=A0The authors have indicated their preference for values on this = email list.

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The authors have indicated that they have 3+ impleme= ntations which need these values in order to complete the IDR implementatio= n requirements.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 21:24:34 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01D5010B.E6163220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee: =20 Thank you for the feedback. In my next update, I will just send = deltas.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 2:22 PM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 =20 It would be extremely useful to highlight any changes from week to week = (or only include changes in the status).=20 Acee=20 =20 From: Idr on behalf of Susan Hares = Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM To: IDR List Subject: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 =20 Greetings idr =E2=80=93=20 =20 To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will be sending out = weekly status updates. Please let me know if these status updates are = helpful.=20 =20 Cheerily, Sue Hares=20 =20 Status as of 5/2/2019=20 ------------- Drafts in adoption process:=20 The following 3 drafts have no objections and solid reasons behind = adoption. =20 The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on = 5/3/2019.=20 =20 1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] = =E2=80=93 =20 2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions =E2=80=93 [4/18 = =E2=80=93 5/2] 3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo =E2=80=93 [4/16 =E2=80=93 = 4/30] 4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext =E2=80=93 [4/18 = =E2=80=93 5/2] - extended to 5/9=20 5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext =E2=80=93 [5/2 to 5/16]=20 =20 The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start=20 a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared.=20 =20 Flow Specification drafts -------------------------- 1) Flow-specification base draft: RFC5575bis=20 Please review John Scudder=E2=80=99s call for input on the mail list=20 regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for: =20 a) packet rate in bytes, and=20 b) error handling and future NLRI=20 =20 Flow-specification draft authors should update their documents to = include RFC5575bis. =20 These drafts include:=20 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt 2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt 3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt=20 4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect 5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset=20 6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label 7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10 =20 I may have missed another flowpec draft. If so, would the authors = please send me a note.=20 I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th.=20 =20 WG LC 1. RFC8203bis =E2=80=93 [5/6 to 5/20] =20 Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder)=20 =20 Early allocations calls=20 ------------------------------ no objection noted in the emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and = IANA for early allocation:=20 1. draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04 - =20 2. draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt =E2=80=93 =20 3. draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution =20 =20 Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in email.=20 4. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] =20 Chairs/Shepherds=20 Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3)=20 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares shepherd] 2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares = shepherd] =20 If you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and = comments to the shepherd.=20 =20 The following drafts are undergoing active shepherd engagement 1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11 [John Scudder] 2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder]=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01D5010B.E6163220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Acee:

 

Thank you for the = feedback. =C2=A0=C2=A0In my next update, I will just send deltas. =

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem = (acee)
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 2:22 PM
To: Susan = Hares; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Weekly status = 5/2/2019

 

It would be extremely useful to highlight any = changes from week to week (or only include changes in the status). =

Acee

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: = Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM
To: IDR List = <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] Weekly status = 5/2/2019

 

Greetings idr =E2=80=93 =

 

To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF = 105, I will be sending out weekly status updates.   Please let = me know if these status updates are helpful.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares =

 

Status as of 5/2/2019

-------------

Drafts in adoption process: =

   The following 3 drafts have = no objections and solid reasons behind adoption. 

    The = chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019. =

 

1.       = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] =E2=80=93 =   

2.       = draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions =E2=80=93  [4/18 = =E2=80=93 5/2]

3.       = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo =E2=80=93  [4/16 =E2=80=93 = 4/30]

4.       = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext =E2=80=93 [4/18 =E2=80=93 = 5/2]  - extended to 5/9

5.       draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext =E2=80=93 [5/2 to 5/16] =

 

The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation = should start

a discussion to determine all issues have = been cleared.

 

Flow Specification drafts

--------------------------

1)      Flow-specification = base draft:  RFC5575bis

   Please review John = Scudder=E2=80=99s call for input on the mail list

   regarding = the 4 implementation lack of support for:  

a)       packet rate = in bytes, and

b)      error handling and = future NLRI

 

Flow-specification draft = authors should update their documents to include RFC5575bis. =  

These drafts include: =

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt

3.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt

4.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect

5.       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset

6.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label

7.       = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10

 

I may have missed another = flowpec draft.  If so, would the authors please send me a note. =

I would = like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. =

 

WG LC

1.       RFC8203bis = =E2=80=93 [5/6 to 5/20]  

Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John = Scudder)

   

Early allocations calls =

------------------------------

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>no objection noted in the = emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation: =

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04  -  

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt   =E2=80=93 =   

3.       draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution =  

 

Early allocation call in progress, but some = questions in email.

4.       = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to = 5/14/2019]

 

Chairs/Shepherds

Shepherd write-ups pending = (watch for email on 5/3)

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares = shepherd]

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares = shepherd]

 

If you have any final comments, please send = implementation reports and comments to the shepherd.

 

The following drafts are = undergoing active shepherd engagement

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11  [John = Scudder]

2.       = draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] =

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0079_01D5010B.E6163220-- From nobody Thu May 2 20:08:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00911201D0 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 20:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=arista.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LfrVqYKglBNU for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 20:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-x331.google.com (mail-ot1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5B5120120 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 20:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x331.google.com with SMTP id f23so4066897otl.9 for ; Thu, 02 May 2019 20:08:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=arista.com; s=googlenew; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NzatuRQXbSJRJqR8VTCIKhhf89aO0aYopa5vnYRPAQU=; b=LrIJYVU+zrXuZkoZ1S9S2fAnd5ziu1tGjxuuqyIVKueyqiskA7s0+GaYzSuEGpylGk DHfmnnlWTVCmIW9qfPLGJ3TktF+DFLu+yMMy3G8JPTQTmxzW+rJKVadeqhuM5Hlx/0Y1 WDbJadDUs6q2BThV6fMuEYBwODh50oTrIdYOVXFRb6yU4kZRDChCCaK5QpHkYl6O7lAY 5VtjFr5lh/pjSWAjhPDhOV/OprFptAgDc0PHCMLQ7NrlTYpkZYzJfCydmc06dUcM9qnX QsJ6+5HpAihQuM997K9i1IQB0sABXLmMEBsOUktjmYQn/owVLGABZ72iLVFmyM1pQnpI K3Ig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NzatuRQXbSJRJqR8VTCIKhhf89aO0aYopa5vnYRPAQU=; b=ZpBCJO3TEtRhqsnpqTVBfAAC4tszU/82BXeyy30xf9Ya3dusvsQWmRPnpjN1CSgXeJ vOS7I9HpiHZqLmjnTDzWvA1At6XZ7Fj8SQ+tVDg8b6ePbAN2BZQYJqR4PIFzljzvnMal Yu0lrX6oY5mFXYAUTj6CGKnrTXvlYP1sLgBvMZZN3snwW5DDJ+0dbIzMTXnokNcCh1fN oja6WZOzkizT1AgXj49woyPk/mROUPJdPDyXtXtnjS6Hr1U+48FmX+Tp+Um2Udxrrfmw pZriXORER6zTJA9nHXX8EcZMTKXlA1Px2hFiVrlE6hMA4rl+lT1Z/9czYvzzUiXYBFzM HIOg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXdrMQLhqYeqVM/unUMpqRZvOticz16gQSGfhr4rGxDQ2oUku3g pQL8z3xY1TKv5f7HwZ1pI0rZeD8KFjc0x1K7b+eSmw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwHd3Wn1aN6DI+vuc12d13N/tnzvpKW99SeBgyt5+cBY6cLsy0WvxOdGtG7eMIUQM1MjEPc+25Ukq+jBVwuQcc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7399:: with SMTP id j25mr5072413otk.277.1556852920799; Thu, 02 May 2019 20:08:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> From: Nandan Saha Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 08:38:29 +0530 Message-ID: To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005000680587f311d4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 03:08:44 -0000 --0000000000005000680587f311d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Support early allocation as it's required for implementation. Thanks, Nandan On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:27 PM Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ > > > > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with > existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP > sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early > assignment. Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not > need early allocation. > > > > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have > indicated their preference for values on this email list. > > > > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need > these values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000005000680587f311d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support early allocation as it's required for implemen= tation.

Thanks,
Nandan

On Tue, Apr 30, 20= 19 at 6:27 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndz= h.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week call for early allocation = for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segm= ent-routing-te-policy/

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Please note that in this draft in s= ection 8.1-8.3 to some values with existing early allocation, but in sectio= ns 8.3 there are 3 values:=C2=A0 (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Polic= y Name sub-TLV) that need early assignment. =C2=A0=C2=A0Section 8.4, 8.5 an= d 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allocation. <= /u>

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Please comment early and often on early allocation. =C2=A0=C2=A0The autho= rs have indicated their preference for values on this email list.

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The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need= these values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:27 PM Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt . >=20 > =20 >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/= >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with = existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: = (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need = early assignment. Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which = do not need early allocation. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have = indicated their preference for values on this email list. >=20 > =20 >=20 > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which = need these values in order to complete the IDR implementation = requirements. =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheerily, Susan Hares >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri May 3 04:23:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8479120073; Fri, 3 May 2019 04:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] 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Gaurav LinkedIn Sent from my iPhone > On May 3, 2019, at 4:23 AM, Zafar Ali (zali) wrote: >=20 > Support! > =20 > Thanks > =20 > Regards =E2=80=A6 Zafar > =20 > From: Idr on behalf of Susan Hares > Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:57 AM > To: "idr@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org" > Subject: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-rout= ing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > =20 > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-= routing-te-policy-05.txt . > =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/= > =20 > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with exis= ting early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP sub-TL= V, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early assignment. S= ection 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early alloca= tion. > =20 > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have ind= icated their preference for values on this email list. > =20 > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need th= ese values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. =20 > =20 > Cheerily, Susan Hares > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-3A663098-49C5-453A-BEA3-B6C00B933AF6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suppprt.

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On May 3, 2019, at 4:23 AM, Zafar Ali (zali) &= lt;zali@cisco.com> wrote:

Support!

 

Thanks

 

Regards =E2=80=A6 Zafar

 

From:= Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan= Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:57 AM
To: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-segm= ent-routing-te-policy@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment= -routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

 

This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for dr= aft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iet= f-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/

 

Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to s= ome values with existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 v= alues:  (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that n= eed early assignment.   Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allocation. =

 

Please comment early and often on early allocation. &= nbsp; The authors have indicated their preference for values on this em= ail list.

 

The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implemen= tations which need these values in order to complete the IDR implementation r= equirements.   

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

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Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.202.166] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82C5ENKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 02:23:21 -0000 --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82C5ENKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue/all, Support for WG adoption. More inline. Thanks, Shunwan From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:14 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16= /2018] This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ Please consider the following questions in commenting on the 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? Yes. 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? Yes. 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? No. 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implem= entation? Yes. One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it c= an be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Sp= ring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the Sprin= g effort - so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues wi= th this draft. Cheerily, Sue Hares --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82C5ENKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue/all,

 

Support for WG adoption. More inline.

Thanks,

Shunwan

 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:14 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2= - 5/16/2018]

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawr= a-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-b= gpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following questions in commentin= g on the

 

1)      Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? <= /o:p>

Yes.=

2)      Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP sup= port for SRv6?

Yes.=

3)      Do you know of any technical issues regarding this = draft?

If so, do these technical issues present any = major problems to the technical solution?

No.

 

4)      Do you know of any existing implementations or any = plans for implementation?

Yes.=

 

One special note, if you mentioning technical issues= regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  Our goal is to provid= e good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion.  The= SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort – so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues with this dr= aft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  

 

--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82C5ENKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Sat May 4 19:34:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820101200FF; Sat, 4 May 2019 19:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZDO0Xr4CoxeZ; Sat, 4 May 2019 19:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 854E0120086; Sat, 4 May 2019 19:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8C7F89A28180B75D6048; Sun, 5 May 2019 03:34:36 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sun, 5 May 2019 03:34:36 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sun, 5 May 2019 10:34:27 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] Thread-Index: AdT/U+X6vdEwlS9uQBGKy//tUsGZZgDlxEGw Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 02:34:27 +0000 Message-ID: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82CD6@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.202.166] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82CD6NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 02:34:41 -0000 --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82CD6NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support! Thanks, Shunwan From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:57 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi= ng-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-r= outing-te-policy-05.txt . https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with exist= ing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP sub-TL= V, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early assignment. = Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early all= ocation. Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have indi= cated their preference for values on this email list. The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need the= se values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B82CD6NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support!

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

 

 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:57 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segmen= t-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

 

This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for d= raft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i= etf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/

 

Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to= some values with existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are = 3 values:  (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) t= hat need early assignment.   Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allocation.

 

Please comment early and often on early allocation. =   The authors have indicated their preference for values on this = email list.

 

The authors have indicated that they have 3+ imp= lementations which need these values in order to complete the IDR implement= ation requirements.   

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

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The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/= 2019. 1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] =96 2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions =96 [4/18 =96 5/2] 3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo =96 [4/16 =96 4/30] 4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext =96 [4/18 =96 5/2] - exte= nded to 5/9 5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext =96 [5/2 to 5/16] The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared. Flow Specification drafts -------------------------- 1) Flow-specification base draft: RFC5575bis Please review John Scudder=92s call for input on the mail list regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for: a) packet rate in bytes, and b) error handling and future NLRI Flow-specification draft authors should update their documents to include R= FC5575bis. These drafts include: 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt 2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt 3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt 4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect 5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset 6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label 7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10 I may have missed another flowpec draft. If so, would the authors please s= end me a note. I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. WG LC 1. 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Best Regards,
Reta

From: Idr <idr-bounces@i= etf.org> on behalf of Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:28 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019
 

Greetings idr =96

 

To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will be sending out weekl= y status updates.   Please let me know if these status updates ar= e helpful.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

 

Status as of 5/2/2019

-------------

Drafts in adoption process:

   The following 3 drafts have no objections and solid reaso= ns behind adoption. 

    The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send = out comments on 5/3/2019.

 

1.&= nbsp;      = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] =96   

2.&= nbsp;      = draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions =96  [4/18 =96 5/2]

3.&= nbsp;      = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo =96  [4/16 =96 4/30]

4.&= nbsp;      = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext =96 [4/18 =96 5/2]  - extended= to 5/9

5.&= nbsp;      = draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext =96 [5/2 to 5/16]

 

The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start

a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared.

 

Flow Specification drafts

--------------------------

1)&= nbsp;     Flow-s= pecification base draft:  RFC5575bis

   Please review John Scudder=92s call for input on the mail= list

   regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for:  = ;

a)&= nbsp;     packet= rate in bytes, and

b)&= nbsp;     error = handling and future NLRI

 

Flow-specification draft authors should update their d= ocuments to include RFC5575bis.  

These drafts include:

1.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt

2.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt

3.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt

4.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect

5.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset

6.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label

7.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10

 

I may have missed another flowpec draft.  If so, would the authors ple= ase send me a note.

I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th.

 

WG LC

1.&= nbsp;      = RFC8203bis =96 [5/6 to 5/20]  

Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder)

   

Early allocations calls

------------------------------

no objection noted in the emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA = for early allocation:

1.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04  -  

2.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt   =96   

3.&= nbsp;      = draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution  =

 

Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in email.

4.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

 

Chairs/Shepherds

Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3)

1.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares shepherd]

2.&= nbsp;      = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares shepherd]

 

If you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and comm= ents to the shepherd.

 

The following drafts are undergoing active shepherd engagement

  1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11  [John Scudder]
  2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10:31:16 -0000 --_000_BYAPR05MB3943C32D63B37858EEB92944D5300BYAPR05MB3943namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors, Some comments on the draft. 1. Section 3.1 SR Path Segment "Also, it can be used for identifying an SR candidate path or an SR Policy defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy]." When the path-segment is used for identifying SR policy/candidate path, The SR Path Segment sub-TLV should appear in the SR policy as below. Pls up= date figure 1. SR Policy SAFI NLRI: Attributes: Tunnel Encaps Attribute (23) Tunnel Type: SR Policy Binding SID Preference Priority Policy Name Explicit NULL Label Policy (ENLP) Path Segment Bidirectioanl Path Segment List Weight Segment Segment The Path Segment Sub-TLV may be associated with SR Policy as well as the Se= gment List Simultaneously, or may be associated with SR-Policy or segment List alone b= ased on usecases. 2. I suggest to update the IANA section, with code points and NLRIs/at= tributes where the TLVs/sub-TLVs appear in BGP-LS NLRI Along with the code-points. It's useful for implementors as well as I= ANA to keep the registry up to date. 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Authors,
 
 
Some comments on the draft.
 
  1. Section 3.1 SR Path Segment
“Also, it can be used for identifying an SR candidate path or an SR
&nb= sp;  Policy defined in [I-D.ietf= -spring-segment-routing-policy].”
&nb= sp;
Whe= n the path-segment is used for identifying SR policy/candidate path,=
The= SR Path Segment sub-TLV should appear in the SR policy as below. Pls updat= e figure 1.
 
SR = Policy SAFI NLRI: <Distinguisher, Policy-Color, Endpoint>
&nb= sp;          Attributes: Tunne= l Encaps Attribute (23)
&nb= sp;          Tunnel Type: SR P= olicy
&nb= sp;            =   Binding SID
&nb= sp;            =   Preference
&nb= sp;            =   Priority
&nb= sp;            =   Policy Name
&nb= sp;            =   Explicit NULL Label Policy (ENLP)
&nb= sp;            =   Path Segment
&nb= sp;            =   Bidirectioanl Path
&nb= sp;            =       Segment List
&nb= sp;            =           Weight  &n= bsp;            = ;       
&nb= sp;            =           Segment
&nb= sp;            =           Segment
 
       
The= Path Segment Sub-TLV may be associated with SR Policy as well as the Segme= nt List
Sim= ultaneously, or may be associated with SR-Policy or segment List alone base= d on usecases.
  1. I suggest to update the IANA section, with code points and NLRIs/attrib= utes where the TLVs/sub-TLVs appear in BGP-LS NLRI
Along with the code-points. It’s us= eful for implementors as well as IANA to keep the registry up to date.
 
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173.36.7.25, xch-aln-015.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-6.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 May 2019 16:58:20 -0000 --_000_BYAPR11MB363848C2C5E2A4B0B9B6ACA7C1300BYAPR11MB3638namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support WG adoption of the draft - and agree with all the points Ketan ha= s made below. Les From: Idr On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 7:57 AM To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - = 5/16/2018] Hi Sue/All, Support as co-author. 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? Yes. This enables the reporting of SRv6 information from multi-domain IGP t= opologies via BGP-LS to centralized applications/consumers that can leverag= e this information for use-cases like TE. 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? It is actually for BGP-LS support for SRv6. There is a separate draft-dawra= -bess-srv6-services which was presented in BESS that covers the BGP service= s (Global, VPN, EVPN). 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? No. 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implem= entation? Yes. We have implementation and deployment plans. Would like to request ear= ly allocation of code-points post adoption. Thanks, Ketan From: Susan Hares > Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44 To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ Please consider the following questions in commenting on the 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implem= entation? One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it c= an be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Sp= ring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. The SRv6 support is key to the Sprin= g effort - so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues wi= th this draft. Cheerily, Sue Hares --_000_BYAPR11MB363848C2C5E2A4B0B9B6ACA7C1300BYAPR11MB3638namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support WG adoption = of the draft – and agree with all the points Ketan has made below.

 

   Les<= /o:p>

 

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 7:57 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext = [5/2 - 5/16/2018]

 

Hi Sue/All,

 

Support as co-author.

 

 

1)      Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? <= /o:p>

Yes. This enables the reporting of SRv6 information = from multi-domain IGP topologies via BGP-LS to centralized applications/con= sumers that can leverage this information for use-cases like TE.=

 

2)      Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP sup= port for SRv6?

It is actually for BGP-LS support for SRv6. There is= a separate draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services which was presented in BESS that= covers the BGP services (Global, VPN, EVPN).

 

3)      Do you know of any technical issues regarding this = draft?

If so, do these technical issues present any = major problems to the technical solution?

No.

 

4)      Do you know of any existing implementations or any = plans for implementation?

Yes. We have implementation and deployment plans. Wo= uld like to request early allocation of code-points post adoption.

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: 02 May 2019 18:44
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft= -dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/1= 6/2018]

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawr= a-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-b= gpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following questions in commentin= g on the

 

1)      Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? <= /o:p>

2)      Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP sup= port for SRv6?

3)      Do you know of any technical issues regarding this = draft?

If so, do these technical issues present any = major problems to the technical solution?

 

4)      Do you know of any existing implementations or any = plans for implementation?

 

One special note, if you mentioning technical issues= regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  Our goal is to provid= e good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion.  The= SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort – so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues with this dr= aft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  

 

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Cheers, Jeff On May 2, 2019, 6:14 AM -0700, Susan Hares , wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ > > Please consider the following questions in commenting on the > > Does this draft needed support for the SRV6=3F > Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6=3F > Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft=3F > If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the tech= nical solution=3F > > Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implementa= tion=3F > > One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft = it can be helpful to the WG. =C2=A0Our goal is to provide good BGP suppor= t of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion.=C2=A0 The SRv6 support i= s key to the Spring effort =E2=80=93 so it would be helpful to mention an= d get resolved any issues with this draft. > > Cheerily, Sue Hares > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Idr mailing list > Idr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --5cd08642_34cc3acf_2cb Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Sue,

I support the adoption, some minor wording changes might be needed, = good starting point to address BGP-LS extensions for SRv6.&=23160;

Cheers,
Jeff
On May 2, 2019,= 6:14 AM -0700, Susan Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draf= t-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

&=23160;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

&=23160;

Please consider the following questions in com= menting on the

&=23160;

Does this draft needed sup= port for the SRV6=3F

Is this draft a good start= ing point for the BGP support for SRv6=3F

Do you know of any technic= al issues regarding this draft=3F

If so, do these technical issues presen= t any major problems to the technical solution=3F

&=23160;

Do you know of any existin= g implementations or any plans for implementation=3F

&=23160;

One special note, if you mentioning technical = issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG. &=23160;Our goal is= to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashio= n.&=23160; The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effort =E2=80=93 so it w= ould be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues with this draft.

&=23160;

Cheerily, Sue Hares &=23160;

&=23160;

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--5cd08642_34cc3acf_2cb-- From nobody Mon May 6 18:25:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55751201A0; Mon, 6 May 2019 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IgA28-YDfqAk; Mon, 6 May 2019 18:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m88102.mail.qiye.163.com (m88102.mail.qiye.163.com [106.2.88.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DE8120169; Mon, 6 May 2019 18:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m88102.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id F2FBE43931; Tue, 7 May 2019 09:25:22 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Lizhenbin'" , "'li zhenqiang'" , "'Susan Hares'" , Cc: "'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'" , "'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'" References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59D91A@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59D91A@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 09:25:23 +0800 Message-ID: <005801d50473$bef7d200$3ce77600$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01D504B6.CD1B1200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdT17jAMyz+sjMM6SRqyoxzf6xKAMQNusd3AADHXKLA= Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kIGBQJHllBWUpVS0hMQkJCQkNMTUtJSUhZV1koWUFKTEtLSjdXWS1ZQU lXWQkOFx4IWUFZNTQpNjo3JCkuNz5ZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6Mio6Ljo6IzlDSCIMGCoSQk8W MC8aCTVVSlVKTk5MSkJJSElDTU1LVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQUhLQk1LNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6a8fe530d39865kuuuf2fbe43931 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgZHJhZnQtd3UtaWRyLWJncC1zZWdtZW50LWFs?= =?utf-8?q?location-ext-02=2Etxt_=5B4/18_-_5/2/2019=5D_-_2_week_WG_adoptio?= =?utf-8?q?n_call?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 01:25:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01D504B6.CD1B1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Robin: =20 Can the mechanism described in draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe = solve the scenarios that you mentioned for BGP-only environment? Under the BGP-only environment, the controller/router may know only the = PeerNode, PeerAdj and PeerSet information, then it is possible to reuse = these SIDs for the allocation. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 9:35 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call =20 Hi Zhenqiang, Please refer to my reply inline. =20 Best Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Sue and All, =20 Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.=20 =20 I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for = the SIDs representing network resources as proposed in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. =20 However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. [Robin] 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.=20 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. = 3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can = be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the = BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info = of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it is = only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from BGPers. =20 =20 =20 =20 Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li _____ =20 li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =20 From: Susan Hares =20 Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the = draft at:=20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/= =20 In your comments, consider:=20 =20 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?=20 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection?=20 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS?=20 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?=20 6) Do you know of any early implementations?=20 =20 By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John = and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing = this WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of = processing BGP-LS drafts. =20 =20 If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new = methods to me or John.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01D504B6.CD1B1200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Robin:

 

Can the mechanism described in = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe solve the scenarios that you = mentioned for BGP-only environment?

Under the BGP-only environment, the controller/router may know only = the PeerNode, PeerAdj and PeerSet information, then it is possible to = reuse these SIDs for the allocation.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com] =
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 9:35
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; = idr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inline.

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, = 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn@ietf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue and = All,

 

Zhenqiang Li from China = Mobile. 

 

I see the value to allocate SIDs in a = centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resources = as proposed in h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ = and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.

 

However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen = to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to = collect information from network, other than configure network from a = controller.

[Robin]

1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. =

3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there = can be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think = the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect = info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it = is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from = BGPers.

 

 

 

 

Best = Regards,

Zhenqiang = Li

 

F= rom:&= nbsp;Susan = Hares

D= ate:&= nbsp;2019-04-18 22:04

T= o:&= nbsp;idr@ietf.org

=

S= ubject:&= nbsp;[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access the = draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-alloc= ation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      = Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?

2)      = Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

3)      = Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? =

4)      = Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)      = Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? =

6)      = Do you know of any early implementations?

 

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help = John and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to = finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us = increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.  =  

 

If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to = help speed up the process in IDR WG.   Please send any = thoughts on these new methods to me or John. =

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Hi Susan and ALL,

  The Centralized control and delivery IDs <= span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14.6667px; line-height: 1.5;= background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">mechanism is good for us to deploy t= he Segment Routing=EF=BC=8C especially in cross AS situation.
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  As the BGP/BGP-LS has b= etter interaction to different brand equiment than other southbound protoc= ols, it would be an optional= choise for deployment.
  I support this draft adoption. 
  Thanks.
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HUANAN CHEN=EF=BC=88= =E9=99=88=E5=8D=8E=E5=8D=97=EF=BC=89
Data Communication Research Department
Guangdong Research Institute of China Telecom Co.,Ltd= .
Mail=EF=BC=9Achenhn8.gd@chinateleco= m.cn 
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From: Susan Hares<= /div>
Date: 2019-04-18 22:04
To:&nbs= p;idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-= idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adopti= on call
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This begins a 2 w= eek WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.&n= bsp; You can access the draft at:

 

https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS t= o provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanis= ms for segment routing?

2)      Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG dra= ft?   

3) =      Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection?

4)    &= nbsp; Do you support = extending BGP-LS?

5)&nbs= p;     <= /span>Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?

6)     = Do you know of any e= arly implementations?

<= o:p> 

By answering these= questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determine wha= t issues need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG draft.  &n= bsp; Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS= drafts.   

 

If enough people in= dicate that they wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then send = this early allocation to Alvaro.  

 

S= ue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying= new methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG.&= nbsp;  Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John. <= o:p>

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors, I have a few comments on the document. 1. Section 3 :SR Policy for Path Identifier Change to "Path Identifier for SR Policy" 2. sec 3 SR Policy for Path Identifier The path segment can appear at both segment-list level and SR policy level= , and it could also appear only at one level depending upon usecase. Path segment at segment list level and= at SR-Policy level may be same or may be different based on usecase and the ID allocation scope. 3. I think there should be a separate section on allocation of Path Identif= ier. The scope of allocation and resultant scaling considerations. 4. SR Path Segment Sub-TLV The length of the SR Path Segment is defined to be of variable length. This should be well defined for SR-MPLS to be 20 bit and upto 128 bit for SRv6. Rgds Shraddha --_000_BYAPR05MB3943AB92D1AAED526DCC9AAED5310BYAPR05MB3943namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Authors,
 
 
I have a few comments on the document.
 
1. Section 3 :SR Policy for Path Identifier
Change to "Path Identifier for SR Policy"
 
2. sec 3 SR Policy for Path Identifier
 
The  path segment can appear at both segment-list level and SR po= licy level, and it could also appear only
at one level depending upon usecase. Path segment at segment list leve= l and at SR-Policy level may be
same or may be different based on usecase and the ID allocation scope.=
 
3. I think there should be a separate section on allocation of Path Id= entifier.
The scope of allocation and resultant scaling considerations.
 
4. SR Path Segment Sub-TLV
The length of the SR Path Segment is defined to be of variable length.=
This should be well defined for SR-MPLS to be 20 bit and  upto 12= 8 bit
for SRv6.
 
Rgds
Shraddha
 
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Additionally, we have more queries as follows *"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress router) advertises SR* * Policies representing paths to itself. In this case, it is possible* * to send the policy to each head-end over a BGP session to that head-* * end, without requiring any further propagation of the policy."* How does an egress router advertise SR policies representing paths to itself? Is it done through BGP configuration or any other trigger? In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated? Regards Gurusiddesh V N On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Chaitanya, > > > > Please check inline below. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Chaitanya Varma > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 13:34 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Subject:* [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi, > > > > I have couple of queries from the below draft. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 > > > > * =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and adve= rtise* > > * them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D= * > > > > How do we communicate SR policies from controller? Is it through BGP-SR > session or PCEP session. > > *[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for signalling SR Policies from a > controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) below.* > > > > a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the PCC is non-headend? > > b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP between PCE and PCC? > > *[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation of SR Policies. Yet > another option is using netconf/yang or another method for provisioning. > This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.* > > > > * =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached to the= * > > > > * advertisement=E2=80=9D *How Route-target should be attached to a SR-N= LRI > update? > > *[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attribute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 = of the > draft.* > > > > Is it done through local configuration or picked up based on some dynamic > parameter? > > *[KT] It is done by the controller and may be done via local config =E2= =80=93 > either along with the SR Policy or route policy or even dynamically based > on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Appreciate if you can help here. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chaitanya > > > > > .. > --=20 Thanks, Gurusiddesh V N --=20 . --000000000000cbbff305884aaff4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quick response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows

=C2=A0

"Alternatively, a r= outer (i.e., a BGP egress router) advertises SR

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Policies representing paths to itself.=C2=A0 In this cas= e, it is possible

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to send the= policy to each head-end over a BGP session to that head-

=C2=A0 end, without requiring any further propagation of = the policy."

=C2=A0

How does an egress router advertise SR policies representing paths to= itself? Is it done through BGP configuration or any other trigger?
In t= he above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated?

<= br>

Regards

Gurusiddesh= V N


On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Chaitanya,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chaitanya Varma
Sent: 30 April 2019 13:34
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&g= t;
Subject: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-poli= cy

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I have couple of queries from the below draft.

=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines = the set of policies and advertise

=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end routers (typ= ically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

How do we communicate SR policies from controller? I= s it through BGP-SR session or PCEP session.

[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for sig= nalling SR Policies from a controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) b= elow.

=C2=A0

a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the= PCC is non-headend?

b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP= between PCE and PCC?

[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation= of SR Policies. Yet another option is using netconf/yang or another method= for provisioning. This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.<= u>



=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached t= o the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement=E2=80=9D

How Route-target should be attached to a SR-NLRI update? =

[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attr= ibute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 of the draft.

=C2=A0

Is it done through local configuration or picked up = based on some dynamic parameter?

[KT] It is done by the controller and may be d= one via local config =E2=80=93 either along with the SR Policy or route pol= icy or even dynamically based on the head-end address. This would be implem= entation specific.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0=C2=A0

Appreciate if you can help here.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Chaitanya

=C2=A0


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[73.231.117.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11sm15822219pgq.8.2019.05.07.22.03.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2019 22:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-06213DFD-B2D8-4929-B344-667A4473FE7B Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 22:03:31 -0700 Cc: Robert Raszuk , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "idr@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn , draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn , Susan Hares Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97552FBB-1D17-482F-A4BC-DBB1E704211C@gmail.com> References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59D91A@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 05:03:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-06213DFD-B2D8-4929-B344-667A4473FE7B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to Ketan=E2=80=99s and Robert=E2=80=99s points and I don=E2=80=99t believ= e this document in its current form should be adopted. One of the reason LS has been well adopted is for it to serve the targeted p= urpose of discovery of Topology and services. Let=E2=80=99s keep it simple! (= Please). Cheers, Gaurav LinkedIn=20 Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) w= rote: >=20 > +1 > =20 > Leaving aside for a moment the practicality/benefit of such use of BGP, le= t us at least not give the wrong impression that this is yet another BGP-LS e= xtension draft. This provisioning use-case is fundamentally different from w= hat BGP-LS was intended for and how it is handled by BGP Speakers today. > =20 > Thanks, > Ketan > =20 > From: Idr On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk > Sent: 08 May 2019 07:57 > To: Acee Lindem (acee) > Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn ; Susan Hares > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > =20 > Acee, > =20 > > I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs spaces= . > =20 > A lot of things is possible - but it does not make it automatically a good= idea.=20 > =20 > For this discussion can we at least rename the feature to BGP-PT (BGP-Prov= isioning Tool) to at very min reflect the intent. And yes get new SAFI for i= t ... why not.=20 > =20 > Best regards, > R. > =20 > =20 > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:= > Hi Robin, Huaimo, > =20 > I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs spaces. I= n the case of the Flow-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, these AFs wer= e conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if we are going to= expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisioning, we should ha= ve some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. One reason not to do i= t is that it adds yet another source of truth for configuration. With each s= ource one adds more complexity to the implementations. > =20 > As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation re= lative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. For example,= is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could reference Sue=E2=80= =99s presentation on the preference of Flow-Spec data from multiple sources a= s a good example. > =20 > Thanks, > Acee > =20 > =20 > From: Idr on behalf of Robin Li > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM > To: li zhenqiang , Susan Hares = , IDR List > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn , d= raft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > =20 > Hi Zhenqiang, > Please refer to my reply inline. > =20 > Best Regards, > Zhenbin (Robin) > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM > To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn ; d= raft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > =20 > Hi Sue and All, > =20 > Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.=20 > =20 > I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the S= IDs representing network resources as proposed in https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. > =20 > However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not= PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from network,= other than configure network from a controller. > [Robin] > 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization process, i= nter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to think abou= t the other option. Just like topology collection, there existed the way to u= se SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info from the network, later= BGP-LS was proposed. > 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Refer= to PCECC work proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc= -use-cases-02). But there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficu= lt to introduce one more control protocol which may increase the complexity o= f network operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced th= e BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexit= y. > 3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can b= e other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the BGP-LS= extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info of all kind= s of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it is only to define a= TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the controller to the netwo= rk devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BGP-LS will be reused with= out any change. If use other ways, there has to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLV= s or the transition from the corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TL= Vs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We would like to solicit comments from B= GPers. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Best Regards, > Zhenqiang Li > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > =20 > From: Susan Hares > Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 > To: idr@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/= 2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocat= ion-ext-02.txt. You can access the draft at: > =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/ > =20 > In your comments, consider: > =20 > 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs fo= r allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment rou= ting?=20 >=20 > 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20= >=20 > 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection?= >=20 > 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? >=20 > 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? >=20 > 6) Do you know of any early implementations? >=20 > =20 > By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John a= nd I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG= draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS d= rafts. =20 > =20 > If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon adoption= , I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =20 > =20 > Sue Hares > =20 > PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help s= peed up the process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new metho= ds to me or John. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-06213DFD-B2D8-4929-B344-667A4473FE7B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to Ketan=E2=80=99s and Robert=E2=80=99s p= oints and I don=E2=80=99t believe this document in its current form should b= e adopted.

One of the reason LS has been well adopted is f= or it to serve the targeted purpose of discovery of Topology and services. L= et=E2=80=99s keep it simple! (Please).

Cheers,

Gaurav
LinkedIn 

Sent from my iPhone

On M= ay 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

+1

 = ;

Leaving as= ide for a moment the practicality/benefit of such use of BGP, let us at leas= t not give the wrong impression that this is yet another BGP-LS extension dr= aft. This provisioning use-case is fundamentally different from what BGP-LS was intended for and how it is han= dled by BGP Speakers today.

 = ;

Thanks,

Ketan=

 = ;

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.or= g> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: 08 May 2019 07:57
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cis= co.com>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas= -enhanced-vpn <d= raft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn= <draft-dong-l= sr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/= 18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Acee,

 

> I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to pro= vision these SIDs spaces.

 

A lot of things is possible - but it does not make it= automatically a good idea. 

 

For this discussion can we at least rename the featur= e to BGP-PT (BGP-Provisioning Tool) to at very min reflect the intent. And ye= s get new SAFI for it ... why not. 

 

Best regards,

R.

 

 

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM Acee Lindem (acee) &l= t;acee@cisco.com> wrote:=

Hi Robin, Huaimo,

 

I agree that it is p= ossible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs spaces. In the case of the Flo= w-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, these AFs were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if w= e are going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisioning= , we should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. One reas= on not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth for configuration.  With each source one a= dds more complexity to the implementations.

 

As Ketan commented, y= ou will need to define the life the SID allocation relative to both the BGP-= LS session and the network device state. For example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could refe= rence Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of Flow-Spec data from mu= ltiple sources as a good example.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Robin Li <<= a href=3D"mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">lizhenbin@huawei.co= m>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM
To: li zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, IDR List &= lt;idr@ietf.org> Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf= .org>, draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced= -vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/= 18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Zhenqiang,<= /span>

Please refer t= o my reply inline.

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US">

Best Regards,<= /span>

Zhenbin (Robin= )

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US">

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf= .org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced= -vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/= 18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue and All,

 

Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. 

 

I see the value to allocate SIDs in a cen= tralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resources as prop= osed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-te= as-enhanced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr= -sr-enhanced-vpn/.

 

However, I want to know why BGP-LS is cho= sen to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to c= ollect information from network, other than configure network from a controller.=

[Robin]=

1. To be hones= t, there is much concern about the standardization process, inter-operabilit= y, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to think about the other opt= ion. Just like topology collection, there existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology i= nfo from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is al= ready PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Refer to PCECC work p= roposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But the= re truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce one mor= e control protocol which may increase the complexity of network operation an= d maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce t= he possible complexity.

3. For the pos= sible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can be other way such= as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the BGP-LS extension may b= e the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controlle= r, it is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from th= e controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by B= GP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs o= r the transition from the corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/= Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We would like to solicit comments from BGP= ers.

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US">

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US">

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US">

 

Best Regards,=

Zhenqiang Li<= o:p>

 

From: <= a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">Susan Hares

Date: 2= 019-04-18 22:04

Subject:&nbs= p;[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call<= /span>

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption c= all for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access= the draft at:

 

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      Does this draft mechanisms= for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a benefici= al addition to BGP mechanisms for segment routing?

2)      Is the mechanism well-form= ed enough to adopted as a WG draft?   =

3)      Do you see any problems wi= th using these IDs for flow redirection?

4)      Do you support extending B= GP-LS?

5)      Should we provide an early= allocation for this technology?

6)      Do you know of any early i= mplementations?

 

By answering these questions duri= ng WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determine what issues need to b= e considered prior to finalizing this WG draft.    Your answe= r will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.   

 

If enough people indicate that th= ey wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then send this early alloc= ation to Alvaro.  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying n= ew methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG. = ;  Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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Best Regards,
Huoruoxin

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@i= etf.org> on behalf of Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 9:41 PM
To: Aijun Wang; 'li zhenqiang'; 'Susan Hares'; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'=
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call
 

Hi Aijun,

BGP-LS EPE is to distribute the BGP Peer SI= Ds from ASBRs to the controller. The requirement of the BGP extensions desc= ribed in the draft is to allocate SID from the controller to the network devices (including ASBRs).

The SID encoding in draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-se= gment-routing-epe can be reused. But an extra TLV has to be introduced to i= ndicate allocating SIDs instead of reporting SID info if BGP-LS is used for the purpose.

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

 

From: Aijun Wang [mailto:wa= ngaijun@tsinghua.org.cn]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:25 AM
To: Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zh= enqiang@hotmail.com>; 'Susan Hares' <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.or= g
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@= ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4= : [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/= 18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi, Robin:

 

Can the mechanism described in draft-ietf-i= dr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe solve the scenarios that you mentioned for BGP= -only environment?

Under the BGP-only environment, the control= ler/router may know only the PeerNode, PeerAdj and PeerSet information, the= n it is possible to reuse these SIDs for the allocation.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Depar= tment

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing R= esearch Institute,Beijing, China.

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Lizhenb= in [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com= ]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019=C4=EA5=D4=C26=C8=D5 9:= 35
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019= ] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inline.

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.c= om>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; dr= aft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue and All,

 

Zhenqiang Li from China Mobi= le. 

 

I see the value to allocate = SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network res= ources as proposed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas= -enhanced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn= /.

 

However, I want to know why = BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is m= ainly used to collect information from network, other than configure network from a controller.

[Robin]

1. To be honest, there is much concern abou= t the standardization process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YA= NG. It is necessary to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Ne= tconf/YANG to collect topology info from the network, later BGP-LS was prop= osed.

2. There is already PCE work to allocate SI= D in the centralized way (Refer to PCECC work proposed by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But th= ere truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce one m= ore control protocol which may increase the complexity of network operation and maintenance. That is the reason wh= y we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the= possible complexity.

3. For the possible methods of BGP extensio= ns for the purpose, there can be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SA= FI, etc. But we think the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info of all kinds of SIDs fro= m the network devices to the controller, it is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV= to indicate the SID allocation from the controller to the network devices.= All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the corresponding B= GP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We wou= ld like to solicit comments from BGPers.

 

 

 

 

Best Regards,

Zhenqiang Li

 

From:Susan Hares

Date: To:&n= bsp;idr@ietf.org

Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for dra= ft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access the draft= at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)&nbs= p;     Does this draft mechanisms for  e= xtending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addition= to BGP mechanisms for segment routing?

2)&nbs= p;     Is the mechanism well-formed enough to= adopted as a WG draft?   

3)&nbs= p;     Do you see any problems with using the= se IDs for flow redirection?

4)&nbs= p;     Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)&nbs= p;     Should we provide an early allocation = for this technology?

6)&nbs= p;     Do you know of any early implementatio= ns?

 

By answering these questions during WG Adopti= on call, you will help John and I determine what issues need to be consider= ed prior to finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.  =  

 

If enough people indicate that they wish an e= arly allocation upon adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Al= varo.  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =A8C I=A1=AFm trying new methods of WG ado= ption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG.   Please send= any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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Can we use BGP-LS for provisioning=3F - yes, we can. Should we=3F =C2=A0-= We better not to, BGP is not a suitable technology to do the work propos= ed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mechanics built in and can=E2= =80=99t semantically validate the change made (as the opposite of for exa= mple PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference between distribution of= : reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (BGP does this opportunis= tically) and configuration (BGP is wrong tool). In general - management plane is a much more suitable way to do so, netco= nf as an example. To Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management becomes an issue, operati= onal/derived states inconstancies at scale are not easy to troubleshoot, = and without single source of truth simply impossible. Cheers, Jeff On May 7, 2019, 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) , wro= te: > Hi Robin, Huaimo, > > I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs space= s. In the case of the =46low-Spec and SR TE Policy Address =46amilies, th= ese A=46s were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if= we are going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisi= oning, we should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. = One reason not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth for c= onfiguration. =C2=A0With each source one adds more complexity to the impl= ementations. > > As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation= relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. =46or = example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store=3F You could refe= rence Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of =46low-Spec data fr= om multiple sources as a good example. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > =46rom: Idr on behalf of Robin Li > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM > To: li zhenqiang , Susan Hares , IDR List > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn , draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt =5B= 4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > Hi Zhenqiang, > Please refer to my reply inline. > > Best Regards, > Zhenbin (Robin) > > =46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of li zhenqia= ng > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM > To: Susan Hares ; idr=40ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt =5B= 4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > Hi Sue and All, > > Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. > > I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for t= he SIDs representing network resources as proposed in=C2=A0https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and=C2=A0https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. > > However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf=3F BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. > =5BRobin=5D > 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization proces= s, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to thi= nk about the other option. Just like topology collection, there existed t= he way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info from the = network, later BGP-LS was proposed. > 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Re= fer to PCECC work proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas= -pcecc-use-cases-02). But there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It i= s difficult to introduce one more control protocol which may increase the= complexity of network operation and maintenance. That is the reason why = we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the= possible complexity. > 3. =46or the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there = can be other way such as introducing a new A=46I/SA=46I, etc. But we thin= k the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect i= nfo of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it i= s only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the co= ntroller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BG= P-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has to d= efine some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the corresponding BGP= -LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We wou= ld like to solicit comments from BGPers. > > > > > Best Regards, > Zhenqiang Li > li=5Fzhenqiang=40hotmail.com > > > > =46rom:=C2=A0Susan Hares > > Date:=C2=A02019-04-18=C2=A022:04 > > To:=C2=A0idr=40ietf.org > > Subject:=C2=A0=5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.tx= t =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-al= location-ext-02.txt.=C2=A0 You can access the draft at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-= ext/ > > > > In your comments, consider: > > > > 1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft mechanisms for =C2=A0= extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addit= ion to BGP mechanisms for segment routing=3F > > 2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the mechanism well-formed enough = to adopted as a WG draft=3F > > 3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you see any problems with using t= hese IDs for flow redirection=3F > > 4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you support extending BGP-LS=3F > > 5)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should we provide an early allocatio= n for this technology=3F > > 6)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any early implementat= ions=3F > > > > By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help J= ohn and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing= this WG draft. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Your answer will help us increase the s= peed of processing BGP-LS drafts. > > > > If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon ado= ption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to h= elp speed up the process in IDR WG.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please send any thoughts = on these new methods to me or John. > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Idr mailing list > Idr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --5cd31ee2_2463b9ea_4d59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,

We shouldn=E2=80=99t be doing things just because we can...
Can we use BGP-LS for provisioning=3F - yes, we can= . Should we=3F &=23160;- We better not to, BGP is not a suitable technolo= gy to do the work proposed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mecha= nics built in and can=E2=80=99t semantically validate the change made (as= the opposite of for example PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference= between distribution of: reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (= BGP does this opportunistically) and configuration (BGP is wrong tool).
In general - management plane is a much more suitab= le way to do so, netconf as an example.
To Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management bec= omes an issue, operational/derived states inconstancies at scale are not = easy to troubleshoot, and without single source of truth simply impossibl= e.


Cheers,
Jeff
On May 7, 2019,= 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40cisco.com>, wrote:
=

Hi Robin, Huaimo,

&=23160;

I agree that it is possible to use BGP-= LS to provision these SIDs spaces. In the case of the =46low-Spec and SR = TE Policy Address =46amilies, these A=46s were conceived for the purpose = of dynamic provisioning. Now, if we are going to expand the original purp= ose of BGP-LS to include provisioning, we should have some compelling tec= hnical reasons to repurpose it. One reason not to do it is that it adds y= et another source of truth for configuration. &=23160;With each source on= e adds more complexity to the implementations.

&=23160;

As Ketan commented, you will need to de= fine the life the SID allocation relative to both the BGP-LS session and = the network device state. =46or example, is it ephemeral similar to the I= 2RS data store=3F You could reference Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the p= reference of =46low-Spec data from multiple sources as a good example.

&=23160;

Thanks,

Acee

&=23160;

&=23160;

=46rom: Idr = <idr-bounces=40ietf.org> on behalf of Robin Li <lizhenbin=40huaw= ei.com>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM
To: li zhenqiang <li=5Fzhenqiang=40hotmail.com>, Susan Hares= <shares=40ndzh.com>, IDR List <idr=40ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn=40= ietf.org>, draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn=40ietf.org>
Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.= txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

&=23160;

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inline.

&=23160;

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

&=23160;

=46rom:= Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf O= f li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>; idr=40ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn=40= ietf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn=40ietf.org>
Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.= txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

&=23160;

Hi Sue and All,

&=23160;

Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.&=23160;

&=23160;

I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially= for the SIDs representing network resources as proposed in&=23160;= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and&=23= 160;https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-v= pn/.

&=23160;

However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this = work, not PCEP or netconf=3F BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information= from network, other than configure network from a controller.

=

=5BRobin=5D

1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there exi= sted the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info fro= m the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized w= ay (Refer to PCECC work proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But there truly exists the BGP-only= scenarios. It is difficult to introduce one more control protocol which = may increase the complexity of network operation and maintenance. That is= the reason why we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which als= o can reduce the possible complexity.

3. =46or the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, = there can be other way such as introducing a new A=46I/SA=46I, etc. But w= e think the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can col= lect info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller= , it is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from = the controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using= by BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there ha= s to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the correspondi= ng BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. = We would like to solicit comments from BGPers.

&=23160;

&=23160;

&=23160;

&=23160;

Best Regards,

Zhenqiang Li

&=23160;

=46rom:&=2316= 0;Susan Hares

Date:&=23160;= 2019-04-18&=23160;22:04

To:&=23160;idr=40ietf.org

Subject:&=231= 60;=5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt =5B4/18 - 5/2= /2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-alloc= ation-ext-02.txt.&=23160; You can access the draft at:

&=23160;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segme= nt-allocation-ext/

&=23160;

In your comments, consider:

&=23160;

1)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Does this draft me= chanisms for &=23160;extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provi= de a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment routing=3F<= /p>

2)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Is the mechanism w= ell-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft=3F&=23160; &=23160;

=

3)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you see any pro= blems with using these IDs for flow redirection=3F

4)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you support ext= ending BGP-LS=3F

5)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Should we provide = an early allocation for this technology=3F

6)&=23160;&=23= 160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you know of any= early implementations=3F

&=23160;

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John= and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing th= is WG draft. &=23160;&=23160;&=23160;Your answer will help us increase th= e speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.&=23160; &=23160;

&=23160;

If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon adopti= on, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. &=23160;

=

&=23160;

Sue Hares

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PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help= speed up the process in IDR WG.&=23160; &=23160;Please send any thoughts= on these new methods to me or John.

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Until we agree on the formatting I=E2=80=99m not considering the related co= mments (yours or mine) below, with a couple of exceptions. Now that we seem to have agreed to disagree (which is ok - I understand your reasons), I looked again at the specifics of the TLVs=E2=80=A6. I put = some comments at the bottom of this message. My focus was just on the TLVs and the intent of being consistent. ... 1009 6. Security Considerations ... [major] "SR operates within a trusted domain...[RFC8402]...and its security considerations also apply to BGP-LS sessions when carrying SR information." The Security Considerations in rfc8404 really only talk about the data plane -- I don't see how they apply to the BGP-LS sessions. *[KT] The concept of trusted domain in SR is being extended to BGP-LS sessions as well.* Sorry, but I don=E2=80=99t know what this means. [major] "...precaution is necessary to ensure that the SR information collected via BGP-LS is limited to specific controllers or applications..." This sounds as if you're referring to information that (once collected) can be shared between controllers -- I think that case is out of scope. If you are trying to talk about the BGP sessions, then I think the language needs a little more work. BTW, the paragraph below also talks about BGP sessions; suggestion: keep the common topics together. *[KT] This is about not propagating BGP-LS SR information to controllers and applications that are not part of this SR trusted domain. It is not applicable to general BGP sessions since they might be setup to other networks =E2=80=93 e.g. eBGP for Internet. The point was not to setup BGP-L= S sessions to other peers which are outside the SR trusted domain.* [major] The end of the last sentence says "...in a secure manner within this SR domain". Assuming that we're talking about BGP sessions, what does that mean? Does it mean anything beyond what BGP is normally specified to do? If not, then I would recommend taking that piece of text out to not invite more questions than needed. *[KT] As mentioned above, the BGP sessions may be setup outside the SR domain as well. So we are saying that the BGP-LS sessions which exchange the SR information do not go outside the SR domain.* Thanks for the explanation. Please reflect some of this on the document itself =E2=80=94 so that it is clear there. BTW, it looks like idnits doesn=E2=80=99t like the formatting on Tables 5-7= =E2=80=A6take a look at the errors at the top of https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-id= r-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-13.txt I=E2=80=99m not sure what to do to fix that... Thanks! Alvaro. [The line numbers come from idnits for -13.] ... 221 2.1.1. SID/Label Sub-TLV 223 The SID/Label TLV is used as a sub-TLV by the SR Capabilities 224 (Section 2.1.2) and Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB) 225 (Section 2.1.4) TLVs and has the following format: [minor] If we want to be consistent, this description is missing the "This information is derived from..." text; there are sub-TLVs defined in both IS-IS and OSPF. ... 249 2.1.2. SR Capabilities TLV ... 257 o IS-IS, as defined by the SR Capabilities sub-TLV in 258 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]. 260 o OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SID/Label Range TLV in 261 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and 262 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [mayor] The SID/Label Range TLV is not defined in the OSPFv3 draft. ... 305 2.1.3. SR Algorithm TLV 307 The SR Algorithm TLV is used in order to advertise the SR Algorithms 308 supported by the node. This information is derived from the protocol 309 specific advertisements. 311 o IS-IS, as defined by the SR Algorithm sub-TLV in 312 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]. [nit] The name is "SR-Algorithm Sub-TLV". 314 o OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SR Algorithm TLV in 315 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and 316 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [nit] The name is "SR-Algorithm TLV". [major] It is only defined in the OSPFv2 draft. ... 340 2.1.4. SR Local Block TLV ... 357 o OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SR Local Block TLV in 358 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and 359 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [major] This one is also not defined in the OSPFv3 document. ... 385 Flags: 1 octet of flags. None are defined at this stage. [major] I need to point out again that I really don't like the way this field is treated. Note that by decoupling the Flags from whatever is defined on the IGP drafts introduces complexity and may result in divergence. Also, it is not consistent with other fields defined in this document (e.g. Flags in =C2=A72.1.2, 2.2.1, 2.2.2, 2.3.1, 2.3.2, 2.3.4..), = and it doesn't comply with the description above ("This information is derived from..."). ... 400 2.1.5. SRMS Preference TLV ... 414 o OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SRMS Preference TLV in 415 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and 416 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [major] Again, only defined in the OSPFv2 draft... ... 438 The use of the SRMS Preference TLV is defined in 439 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions], 440 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and 441 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [minor] This last paragraph is redundant: the text above already says where the information comes from. It is obvious that the use of the TLV is defined there too. ... 461 2.2.1. Adjacency SID TLV 463 The Adjacency SID TLV is used in order to advertise information 464 related to an Adjacency SID. This information is originated as in 465 Adj-SID sub-TLV of IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions], 466 OSPFv2 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3 467 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions [minor] It may be a simple change in the text, but I want to make sure... The text above "This information is originated as in..." represents a change (going forward) from the text used before: "This information is derived from..." The latter seems a better fit for this document. Is there a deeper reason for the change? ... 490 Flags. 1 octet value which sould be parsed as: [nit] s/sould/should [minor] s/be parsed/be set [] Same comment for 2.2.2 and 2.3.1. 492 * IS-IS Adj-SID flags are defined in 493 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] section 2.2.1. 495 * OSPFv2 Adj-SID flags are defined in 496 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] section 6.1. 498 * OSPFv3 Adj-SID flags are defined in 499 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] section 7.1. [minor] This information about the flags, and the information below about the SID/Index/Label, is redundant: the text above already says where the information comes from. [] Same comment for 2.2.2 and 2.3.1. 501 Weight: Weight used for load-balancing purposes. 503 Reserved: 2 octets that SHOULD be set to 0 and MUST be ignored on 504 receipt. 506 SID/Index/Label: 508 * IS-IS: Label or index value as defined in 509 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions], 511 * OSPFv2: Label or index value as defined in 512 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions], 514 * OSPFv3: Label or index value as defined in 515 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions], 517 The Flags and, as an extension, the SID/Index/Label fields of this 518 TLV need to be interpreted accordingly to the respective underlying 519 IS-IS, OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 protocol. The Protocol-ID of the BGP-LS Link 520 NLRI should be used to determine the underlying protocol 521 specification for parsing these fields. [minor] This last paragraph is true for all the (sub-)TLVs, and not just for the ones where the text exists. That is true, right? [major] I know that I made a comment before about the text originally in =C2=A72, and that that comment resulted in this new text. My main concern = about the original text was its Normative nature. I think that the current text is ok, but the placement is inconsistent and putting it in a neutral place may be better. Yes, I'm asking you to take it back to =C2=A72: a generic, non-normative statement. 523 2.2.2. LAN Adjacency SID TLV ... 534 This information is originated as in LAN Adj-SID sub-TLV of IS-IS 535 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions], OSPFv2 536 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3 537 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [nit] For IS-IS, the name is "LAN Adj-SID". ... 605 2.2.3. L2 Bundle Member Attribute TLV ... 617 This information is originated as in L2 Bundle Member Attributes TLV 618 of IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-l2bundles]. The equivalent functionality has 619 not been specified as yet for OSPF. [nit] s/as in L2/as in the L2 ... 696 2.3.1. Prefix SID TLV 698 The Prefix SID TLV is used in order to advertise information related 699 to a Prefix SID. This information is originated as in Prefix-SID 700 sub-TLV of IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions], OSPFv2 701 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3 702 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions]. [nit] For OSPF, the name is "Prefix SID". ... 800 2.3.3. Source Router Identifier (Source Router-ID) TLV 802 The Source Router-ID TLV contains the IPv4 or IPv6 Router-ID of the 803 originator of the Prefix. For IS-IS protocol this is as defined in 804 [RFC7794] IPv4 or IPv6 Router-ID of the originating router. For OSPF 805 protocol, this is as defined in [I-D.ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator] 806 and is a 32 bit OSPF Router-ID of the originating router.. [nit] s/For xxx protocol/For the xxx protocol [minor] To be consistent with the other sections... rfc7794 talks about the IPv4/IPv6 Source Router ID sub-TLV...and I-D.ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator about the Prefix Source Router-ID sub-TLV. ... 829 2.3.4. Range TLV 831 The range TLV is used in order to advertise a range of prefix-to-SID 832 mappings as part of the Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS) 833 functionality [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], as 834 defined in the respective underlying IGP SR extensions 835 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions], 837 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions] and 838 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions]. [nit] There's an extra line... [nit] s/range TLV/Range TLV [major] Unlike other sections, this one doesn't explicitly mention which (sub-)TLV the information is derived from. This is specially important because the Flags field below doesn't have a specific reference. These explicit mentions show up in the "Advertisement Procedure" sub-sections, which basically just say where the information is derived from. I don't understand why those sub-sections are needed for this case and not all the other TLVs in this document. ??? Suggestion: delete the sub-sections. ... 884 Range TLV 885 Prefix-SID TLV (used as a sub-TLV in this context) 887 Where: 889 o The Range TLV is defined in Section 2.3.4. 891 o The Prefix-SID TLV (used as sub-TLV in this context) is defined in 892 Section 2.3.1. [minor] These last few sentences are a little confusing, specially since there's a reference to =C2=A72.3.4, which is this section! Perhaps take th= e text starting with "Where" out and simply put a reference to =C2=A72.3.1 wh= ere the Prefix-SID TLV is mentioned. ... 922 2.4. Equivalent IS-IS Segment Routing TLVs/Sub-TLVs [major] The Tables below mention the reference draft names (good!), but also specific sections. Mentioning the sections is not great becasue they may change -- for example =C2=A73.2 doesn't exist in the OSPFv3 draft. Per= haps a better idea would be to mention the name of the (sub-)TLVs along with the draft reference (and no sections). --000000000000364966058865bf6e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On April 18, 2019 at 7:22:50 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) (ketant@cisco.com) wrote:

Ketan:

Hi!

...

Until we agree on the formatting I=E2=80=99m n= ot considering the related comments (yours or mine) below, with a couple of exceptions.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Now that we seem to have agreed to disagree (which is ok - I understand your reasons), I looked again at the specifics of the TLVs=E2=80=A6. I put some comments at the bottom of this message.=C2=A0 My = focus was just on the TLVs and the intent of being consistent.


...

1009 6.=C2=A0 Security Considerations

...

[major] "SR operates within a trusted domain...[RFC8402]...and its security considerations also apply to BGP-LS sessions when carrying SR information." =C2=A0The Security Considerations in rfc8404 really only talk about the data plane -- I don't see how they apply to the BGP-LS sessions.

[KT] The concept of trusted domain in SR is being extended to BGP-LS sessions as well.

Sorry, but I don=E2=80=99t know what this means.


[major] "...precaution is necessary to ensure that the SR information collected via BGP-LS is limited to specific controllers or applications..." =C2=A0This sounds as if you're referring to information that (once collected) can be shared between controllers -- I think that case is out of scope.=C2=A0 If you are trying to talk about the BGP sessions, then I think the language needs a little more work.=C2=A0 BTW, the paragraph below also talks about BGP sessions; suggestion: keep the common topics together.

[KT] This is about not propagating BGP-LS SR information to controllers and applications that are not part of this SR trusted domain. It is not applicable to general BGP sessions since they might be setup to other networks =E2=80=93 e.g. eBGP for Internet. The point was not to setup BGP-LS sessions to other peers which are outside the SR trusted domain.

[major] The end of the last sentence says "...in a secure manner within this SR domain".=C2=A0 Assuming that we're talking about BGP sessions, what does that mean?=C2=A0 Does it mean anything beyond what BGP is normally specified to do?=C2=A0 If not, then I would recommend taking that piece of text out to not invite more questions than needed.

[KT] As mentioned above, the BGP sessions may be setup outside the SR domain as well. So we are saying that the BGP-LS sessions which exchange the SR information do not go outside the SR domain.

Thanks for the explanation.=C2=A0 Please reflect some of this on the document itself =E2=80=94 so that it is clear there.


BTW, it looks like idnits doesn=E2=80=99t like the formatting on Tables 5-7=E2=80=A6take a look at the errors at the top of=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://t= ools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-13.txt=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not sure what to do to fix that...


Thanks!

Alvaro.


[The line numbers come from idnits for -13.]



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221 2.1.1.=C2=A0 SID/Label Sub-TLV


223 =C2=A0 The SID/Lab= el TLV is used as a sub-TLV by the SR Capabilities

224 =C2=A0 (Section 2.1.2) a= nd Segment Routing Local Block (SRLB)

225 =C2=A0 (Section 2.1.4) TLVs and has t= he following format:


[minor] If we want to be consistent, = this description is missing the "This information is derived from...&q= uot; text; there are sub-TLVs defined in both IS-IS and OSPF.



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249 2.1.2.=C2=A0 SR Capabilities TLV

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257 =C2=A0 o =C2= =A0IS-IS, as defined by the SR Capabilities sub-TLV in

258 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions].


260 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0OSPFv= 2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SID/Label Range TLV in

261 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D= .ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and

262 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-os= pf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions].


[mayor] The SID/Lab= el Range TLV is not defined in the OSPFv3 draft.



<= p>...

305 2.1.3.=C2=A0 SR Algorithm TLV


307 =C2=A0 The SR Algorithm TLV i= s used in order to advertise the SR Algorithms

308 =C2=A0 supported by the node= .=C2=A0 This information is derived from the protocol

309 =C2=A0 specific adve= rtisements.


311 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0IS-IS, as defined by the SR Algorithm= sub-TLV in

312 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions].=


[nit] The name is "SR-Algorithm Sub-TLV".


314 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SR Algorithm TLV in

315 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and

31= 6 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions].


<= /p>

[nit] The name is "SR-Algorithm TLV".


[maj= or] It is only defined in the OSPFv2 draft.



...=

340 = 2.1.4.=C2=A0 SR Local Block TLV

...

357 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as = defined by the SR Local Block TLV in

358 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-seg= ment-routing-extensions] and

359 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-seg= ment-routing-extensions].


[major] This one is also not def= ined in the OSPFv3 document.


...

385 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Flags= : 1 octet of flags.=C2=A0 None are defined at this stage.


= [major] I need to point out again that I really don't like the way this= field is treated.=C2=A0 Note that by decoupling the Flags from whatever is= defined on the IGP drafts introduces complexity and may result in divergen= ce.=C2=A0 Also, it is not consistent with other fields defined in this docu= ment (e.g. Flags in =C2=A72.1.2, 2.2.1, 2.2.2, 2.3.1, 2.3.2, 2.3.4..), and = it doesn't comply with the description above ("This information is= derived from...").



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400 2.1.5.=C2=A0 SRMS P= reference TLV

...

414 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0OSPFv2/OSPFv3, as defined by the SRM= S Preference TLV in

415 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-exte= nsions] and

416 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-exten= sions].


[major] Again, only defined in the OSPFv2 draft...=



...

438 =C2=A0 The use of the SRMS Preference TLV = is defined in

439 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions],

440<= span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =C2=A0 [I-= D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and

441 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-se= gment-routing-extensions].


[minor] This last paragraph is = redundant: the text above already says where the information comes from.=C2= =A0 It is obvious that the use of the TLV is defined there too.


<= /p>


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461 2.2.1.=C2=A0 Adjacency SID TLV


463 =C2=A0 The Ad= jacency SID TLV is used in order to advertise information

464 =C2=A0 related to= an Adjacency SID.=C2=A0 This information is originated as in

465 =C2=A0 Adj-SI= D sub-TLV of IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions],

466 =C2=A0 OSPFv= 2 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3

467 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-os= pf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions


[minor] It may be a s= imple change in the text, but I want to make sure...=C2=A0 The text above &= quot;This information is originated as in..." represents a change (goi= ng forward) from the text used before: "This information is derived fr= om..." =C2=A0 The latter seems a better fit for this document.=C2=A0 I= s there a deeper reason for the change?



...

=

490 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Flags. 1 octet value which sould be parsed as:


<= /p>

[nit] s/sould/should


[minor] s/be parsed/be set

<= p>

[] Same comment for 2.2.2 and 2.3.1.


492 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0* =C2=A0IS-IS Adj-SID flags are defined in

493 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions] section 2.2.1.


495 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* =C2=A0OSPFv2 Adj-SID flags are defined in

496 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] section 6.1.


498 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* =C2=A0OSPFv3 Adj-SID flags are defined in

499 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] sect= ion 7.1.


[minor] This information about the flags, and the= information below about the SID/Index/Label, is redundant: the text above = already says where the information comes from.


[] Same com= ment for 2.2.2 and 2.3.1.


501 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Weight: Weight use= d for load-balancing purposes.


503 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved: 2 o= ctets that SHOULD be set to 0 and MUST be ignored on

504 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= receipt.


506 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SID/Index/Label:


5= 08 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0* =C2=A0IS-IS: Label or index value as defined in

509 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions],


511 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* =C2=A0OSPFv2: Label or index value as defined in

<= p>512 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions],

=

514 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* =C2=A0OSPFv3: Label or index value as defined in=

515 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensio= ns],


517 =C2=A0 The Flags and, as an extension, the SID/Index/Label = fields of this

518 =C2=A0 TLV need to be interpreted accordingly to the respect= ive underlying

519 =C2=A0 IS-IS, OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 protocol.=C2=A0 The Protocol-= ID of the BGP-LS Link

520 =C2=A0 NLRI should be used to determine the underlyin= g protocol

521 =C2=A0 specification for parsing these fields.


= [minor] This last paragraph is true for all the (sub-)TLVs, and not just fo= r the ones where the text exists.=C2=A0 That is true, right?


=

[major] I know that I made a comment before about the text originally in= =C2=A72, and that that comment resulted in this new text.=C2=A0 My main co= ncern about the original text was its Normative nature.=C2=A0 I think that = the current text is ok, but the placement is inconsistent and putting it in= a neutral place may be better.=C2=A0 Yes, I'm asking you to take it ba= ck to =C2=A72: a generic, non-normative statement.


523 2.2.2.=C2=A0 L= AN Adjacency SID TLV

...

534 =C2=A0 This information is originated as in = LAN Adj-SID sub-TLV of IS-IS

535 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi= ons], OSPFv2

536 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3

537 = =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions].


= [nit] For IS-IS, the name is "LAN Adj-SID".



=

...

605 2.2.3.=C2=A0 L2 Bundle Member Attribute TLV

...

617 =C2=A0 This= information is originated as in L2 Bundle Member Attributes TLV

618<= span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =C2=A0 of = IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-l2bundles].=C2=A0 The equivalent functionality has

=

619 =C2= =A0 not been specified as yet for OSPF.


[nit] s/as in L2/a= s in the L2



...

696 2.3.1.=C2=A0 Prefix SID TLV

<= p>

698 <= /span> =C2=A0 The Prefix SID TLV is used in order to advertise information = related

699 = =C2=A0 to a Prefix SID.=C2=A0 This information is originated as in = Prefix-SID

700 =C2=A0 sub-TLV of IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extension= s], OSPFv2

701 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] and OSPFv3

=

702 =C2= =A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions].


[ni= t] For OSPF, the name is "Prefix SID".



<= p>...

800 2.3.3.=C2=A0 Source Router Identifier (Source Router-ID) TLV

802 =C2=A0 The Source Router-ID TLV contains the IPv4 or IPv6 Router-ID of th= e

803 =C2=A0 originator of the Prefix.=C2=A0 For IS-IS protocol this is as defi= ned in

804 <= /span> =C2=A0 [RFC7794] IPv4 or IPv6 Router-ID of the originating router.= =C2=A0 For OSPF

805 =C2=A0 protocol, this is as defined in [I-D.ietf-lsr-ospf-p= refix-originator]

806 =C2=A0 and is a 32 bit OSPF Router-ID of the originating = router..


[nit] s/For xxx protocol/For the xxx protocol

=


[minor] To be consistent with the other sections... =C2=A0rfc= 7794 talks about the IPv4/IPv6 Source Router ID sub-TLV...and I-D.ietf-lsr-= ospf-prefix-originator about the Prefix Source Router-ID sub-TLV.


...

829 2.3.4.=C2=A0 Range TLV


831 =C2=A0 The range TL= V is used in order to advertise a range of prefix-to-SID

832 =C2=A0 mappings as= part of the Segment Routing Mapping Server (SRMS)

833 =C2=A0 functionality [I-= D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop], as

834 =C2=A0 defined in the respec= tive underlying IGP SR extensions

835 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-ext= ensions],


837 =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extension= s] and

838 <= /span> =C2=A0 [I-D.ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions].


= [nit] There's an extra line...


[nit] s/range TLV/Range= TLV


[major] Unlike other sections, this one doesn't e= xplicitly mention which (sub-)TLV the information is derived from.=C2=A0 Th= is is specially important because the Flags field below doesn't have a = specific reference.


These explicit mentions show up in the= "Advertisement Procedure" sub-sections, which basically just say= where the information is derived from.=C2=A0 I don't understand why th= ose sub-sections are needed for this case and not all the other TLVs in thi= s document. =C2=A0??? =C2=A0 =C2=A0Suggestion: delete the sub-sections.

=



...

884 =C2=A0 Range TLV

885 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Prefix-S= ID TLV (used as a sub-TLV in this context)


887 =C2=A0 Where:

=

889 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0The Range TLV is defined in Section 2.3.4.


891 = =C2=A0 o =C2=A0The Prefix-SID TLV (used as sub-TLV in this context) is defi= ned in

892 <= /span> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Section 2.3.1.


[minor] These la= st few sentences are a little confusing, specially since there's a refe= rence to =C2=A72.3.4, which is this section!=C2=A0 Perhaps take the text st= arting with "Where" out and simply put a reference to =C2=A72.3.1= where the Prefix-SID TLV is mentioned.



...

=

922 2.4.= =C2=A0 Equivalent IS-IS Segment Routing TLVs/Sub-TLVs


[maj= or] The Tables below mention the reference draft names (good!), but also sp= ecific sections.=C2=A0 Mentioning the sections is not great becasue they ma= y change -- for example =C2=A73.2 doesn't exist in the OSPFv3 draft.=C2= =A0 Perhaps a better idea would be to mention the name of the (sub-)TLVs al= ong with the draft reference (and no sections).



--000000000000364966058865bf6e-- From nobody Wed May 8 17:46:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D921201E8; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9dYjdS7mlSC; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (m21397.mail.qiye.163.com [223.252.213.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555D1201DA; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id C8DA4143EE2; Thu, 9 May 2019 08:45:46 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Lizhenbin'" , "'li zhenqiang'" , "'Susan Hares'" , Cc: "'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'" , "'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'" References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59D91A@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <005801d50473$bef7d200$3ce77600$@org.cn> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59FA73@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59FA73@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 08:45:48 +0800 Message-ID: <006601d50600$8be53a40$a3afaec0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01D50643.9A08A150" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdT17jAMyz+sjMM6SRqyoxzf6xKAMQNusd3AADHXKLAATLRswAAW9bKQ Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kIGBQJHllBWVZKVUtLSEtLS0pPS0pCS0pJWVdZKFlBSkxLS0o3V1ktWU FJV1kJDhceCFlBWTU0KTY6NyQpLjc#WQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6K0k6FCo5CzkDAxkoPRxJHx8N SBowCkhVSlVKTk5MSE1JTE5JTkhDVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQU9KSkJDNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6a9a0da6ba7f6bkuukc8da4143ee2 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgZHJhZnQtd3UtaWRyLWJncC1zZWdtZW50LWFs?= =?utf-8?q?location-ext-02=2Etxt_=5B4/18_-_5/2/2019=5D_-_2_week_WG_adoptio?= =?utf-8?q?n_call?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:46:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D50643.9A08A150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Robin: =20 >From the discussion of this thread, I support to accomplish this work = via different BGP AFI/SAFI, reuse the TLV/SID that defined in = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe. This can eliminate the confusion with the definition/usage of BGP-LS, = and align with other similar usage of BGP, for example BGP-flowspec. The message structural of the newly defined AFI/SAFI need also not same = as that in the BGP-LS, which is rooted from the IGP topology. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 = 21:42 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'li zhenqiang'; 'Susan Hares'; = idr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call =20 Hi Aijun, BGP-LS EPE is to distribute the BGP Peer SIDs from ASBRs to the = controller. The requirement of the BGP extensions described in the draft = is to allocate SID from the controller to the network devices (including = ASBRs). The SID encoding in draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe can be = reused. But an extra TLV has to be introduced to indicate allocating = SIDs instead of reporting SID info if BGP-LS is used for the purpose. =20 Best Regards, Robin =20 =20 =20 From: Aijun Wang [mailto:wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:25 AM To: Lizhenbin ; 'li zhenqiang' = ; 'Susan Hares' ; = idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' = ; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call =20 Hi, Robin: =20 Can the mechanism described in draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe = solve the scenarios that you mentioned for BGP-only environment? Under the BGP-only environment, the controller/router may know only the = PeerNode, PeerAdj and PeerSet information, then it is possible to reuse = these SIDs for the allocation. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 9:35 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call =20 Hi Zhenqiang, Please refer to my reply inline. =20 Best Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Sue and All, =20 Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.=20 =20 I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for = the SIDs representing network resources as proposed in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. =20 However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. [Robin] 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.=20 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. = 3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can = be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the = BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info = of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it is = only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from BGPers. =20 =20 =20 =20 Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li _____ =20 li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =20 From: Susan Hares =20 Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the = draft at:=20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/= =20 In your comments, consider:=20 =20 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?=20 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection?=20 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS?=20 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?=20 6) Do you know of any early implementations?=20 =20 By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John = and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing = this WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of = processing BGP-LS drafts. =20 =20 If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new = methods to me or John.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D50643.9A08A150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Robin:

 

From the discussion of this thread, I support to accomplish this work = via different BGP AFI/SAFI, reuse the TLV/SID that defined in = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe.

This can eliminate the confusion with the definition/usage of BGP-LS, = and align with other similar usage of BGP, for example = BGP-flowspec.

The message structural of the newly defined AFI/SAFI need also not = same as that in the BGP-LS, which is rooted from the IGP = topology.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com] =
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 21:42
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang; 'li zhenqiang'; = 'Susan Hares'; idr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Aijun,

BGP-LS EPE is to distribute the BGP Peer SIDs from ASBRs to the = controller. The requirement of the BGP extensions described in the draft = is to allocate SID from the controller to the network devices (including = ASBRs).

The SID encoding in draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe can be = reused. But an extra TLV has to be introduced to indicate allocating = SIDs instead of reporting SID info if BGP-LS is used for the = purpose.

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

 

From: Aijun = Wang [mailto:wangaijun@tsinghua.org.c= n]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:25 AM
To: = Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>; 'li = zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>= ; 'Susan Hares' <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi, Robin:

 

Can the mechanism described in = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe solve the scenarios that you = mentioned for BGP-only environment?

Under the BGP-only environment, the controller/router may know only = the PeerNode, PeerAdj and PeerSet information, then it is possible to = reuse these SIDs for the allocation.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin [mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com] =
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 9:35
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; = idr@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80= =81: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inline.

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, = 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn@ietf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue and = All,

 

Zhenqiang Li from China = Mobile. 

 

I see the value to allocate SIDs in a = centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resources = as proposed in h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ = and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.

 

However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen = to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to = collect information from network, other than configure network from a = controller.

[Robin]

1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. =

3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there = can be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think = the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect = info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it = is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from = BGPers.

 

 

 

 

Best = Regards,

Zhenqiang = Li

 

F= rom:&= nbsp;Susan = Hares

D= ate:&= nbsp;2019-04-18 22:04

T= o:&= nbsp;idr@ietf.org

=

S= ubject:&= nbsp;[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access the = draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-alloc= ation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      = Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?

2)      = Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

3)      = Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? =

4)      = Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)      = Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? =

6)      = Do you know of any early implementations?

 

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help = John and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to = finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us = increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.  =  

 

If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to = help speed up the process in IDR WG.   Please send any = thoughts on these new methods to me or John. =

------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D50643.9A08A150-- From nobody Wed May 8 18:09:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DC41201F3; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3s1OWZXZQ7l; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m17616.mail.qiye.163.com (m17616.mail.qiye.163.com [59.111.176.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763C21200C7; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m17616.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id A83341052E5; Thu, 9 May 2019 09:09:34 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Jeff Tantsura'" , "'Lizhenbin'" , "'li zhenqiang'" , "'Susan Hares'" , , "'Acee Lindem \(acee\)'" Cc: "'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'" , "'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'" References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D8F59D91A@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <1f9be143-eeb5-4385-9ec3-392581f05a59@Spark> In-Reply-To: <1f9be143-eeb5-4385-9ec3-392581f05a59@Spark> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 09:09:36 +0800 Message-ID: <007701d50603$deeeacf0$9ccc06d0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01D50646.ED11ECF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdUFy1+8WH4L96yET6+BMqquHPqHfwANbrVA Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kIGBQJHllBWUlVTUNKQkJCTUNISENLSkhZV1koWUFKTEtLSjdXWS1ZQU lXWQkOFx4IWUFZNTQpNjo3JCkuNz5ZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6PD46Qio4PDlNTBkdFjocPE0j FyIKCylVSlVKTk5MSE1PSkNKSExOVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWVdZCAFZQU9DT0lMNwY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6a9a23705e9374kuwsa83341052e5 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgZHJhZnQtd3UtaWRyLWJncC1zZWdtZW50LWFs?= =?utf-8?q?location-ext-02=2Etxt_=5B4/18_-_5/2/2019=5D_-_2_week_WG_adoptio?= =?utf-8?q?n_call?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 01:09:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01D50646.ED11ECF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Jeff: =20 Actually, it is more acceptable to use BGP-LS to report the topology = info and use the PCEP to do the control work. But as described in this = draft, there are situations that the network deployed only the BGP, then = this draft wants to find some solution to these scenarios. I think such = capability is supplementary to the portfolio of provisioning tools. =20 We have ever paid more attention to the NETCONF/YANG for the = configuration work. But as I knew, the implementations of these = standardization YANGs are not as ideal as we have imaged. The TLV = extensions mechanism may be more optimistic to fulfill the newly = requirements, as that done in IGP, BGP and PCEP. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeff Tantsura = [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 = 2:24 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin; li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; = idr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call =20 Hi, =20 We shouldn=E2=80=99t be doing things just because we can...=20 Can we use BGP-LS for provisioning? - yes, we can.. Should we? - We = better not to, BGP is not a suitable technology to do the work proposed, = it doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mechanics built in and = can=E2=80=99t semantically validate the change made (as the opposite of = for example PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference between = distribution of: reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (BGP does = this opportunistically) and configuration (BGP is wrong tool). In general - management plane is a much more suitable way to do so, = netconf as an example. To Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management becomes an issue, = operational/derived states inconstancies at scale are not easy to = troubleshoot, and without single source of truth simply impossible. =20 =20 Cheers,=20 Jeff On May 7, 2019, 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) , = wrote: Hi Robin, Huaimo, =20 I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs = spaces. In the case of the Flow-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, = these AFs were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, = if we are going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include = provisioning, we should have some compelling technical reasons to = repurpose it. One reason not to do it is that it adds yet another source = of truth for configuration. With each source one adds more complexity = to the implementations. =20 As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation = relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. For = example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could = reference Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of Flow-Spec data = from multiple sources as a good example. =20 Thanks, Acee =20 =20 From: Idr on behalf of Robin Li = Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM To: li zhenqiang , Susan Hares = , IDR List Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = , draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Zhenqiang, Please refer to my reply inline. =20 Best Regards, Zhenbin (Robin) =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Sue and All, =20 Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.=20 =20 I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for = the SIDs representing network resources as proposed in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. =20 However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. [Robin] 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed. 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. 3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can = be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the = BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info = of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it is = only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from BGPers. =20 =20 =20 =20 Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li _____ =20 li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =20 From: Susan Hares =20 Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the = draft at: =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/= =20 In your comments, consider: =20 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing? 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection? 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? 6) Do you know of any early implementations? =20 By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John = and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing = this WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of = processing BGP-LS drafts. =20 =20 If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =20 =20 Sue Hares =20 PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new = methods to me or John. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01D50646.ED11ECF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Jeff:

 

Actually, it is more acceptable to use BGP-LS to report the topology = info and use the PCEP to do the control work. But as described in this = draft, there are situations that the network deployed only the BGP, then = this draft wants to find some solution to these scenarios.=C2=A0 I think = such capability is supplementary to the portfolio of provisioning = tools.

 

We have ever paid more attention to the NETCONF/YANG for the = configuration work. But as I knew, the implementations of these = standardization YANGs are not as ideal as we have imaged. =C2=A0The TLV = extensions mechanism may be more optimistic to fulfill the newly = requirements, as that done in IGP, BGP and PCEP.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeff Tantsura = [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 2:24
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin; li zhenqiang; = Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem = (acee)
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi,

 

We = shouldn=E2=80=99t be doing things just because we can... =

Can we use = BGP-LS for provisioning? - yes, we can.. Should we?  - We better = not to, BGP is not a suitable technology to do the work proposed, it = doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mechanics built in and = can=E2=80=99t semantically validate the change made (as the opposite of = for example PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference between = distribution of: reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (BGP does = this opportunistically) and configuration (BGP is wrong = tool).

In general - = management plane is a much more suitable way to do so, netconf as an = example.

To = Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management becomes an issue, = operational/derived states inconstancies at scale are not easy to = troubleshoot, and without single source of truth simply = impossible.

 

 

Cheers, =

Jeff

On May 7, = 2019, 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>, = wrote:

Hi Robin, = Huaimo,

 

I agree = that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs spaces. In the = case of the Flow-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, these AFs were = conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if we are going = to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisioning, we = should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. One = reason not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth for = configuration.  With each source one adds more complexity to the = implementations.

 

As Ketan = commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation relative = to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. For example, is = it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could reference = Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of Flow-Spec data from = multiple sources as a good example.

 

Thanks,

Acee=

 

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of Robin Li <lizhenbin@huawei.com>
D= ate: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM
To: li zhenqiang = <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>= , Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, IDR List <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn@ietf.org>, draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inline.

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, = 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn@ietf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue and All,

 

Zhenqiang Li from China = Mobile. 

 

I see the value to allocate SIDs in a = centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resources = as proposed in h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ = and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.

 

However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen = to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to = collect information from network, other than configure network from a = controller.

[Robin]

1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization = process, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary = to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there = existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info = from the network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way = (Refer to PCECC work proposed by h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But = there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce = one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network = operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible = complexity.

3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there = can be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think = the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect = info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it = is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the = controller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by = BGP-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has = to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the = corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the = option is open. We would like to solicit comments from = BGPers.

 

 

 

 

Best Regards,

Zhenqiang Li

 

F= rom:&= nbsp;Susan Hares

D= ate:&= nbsp;2019-04-18 22:04

T= o:&= nbsp;idr@ietf.org

S= ubject:&= nbsp;[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access the = draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-alloc= ation-ext/

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      = Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?

2)      = Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

3)      = Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection?

4)      = Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)      = Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?

6)      = Do you know of any early implementations?

 

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help = John and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to = finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us = increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.   

 

If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to = help speed up the process in IDR WG.   Please send any = thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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------=_NextPart_000_0078_01D50646.ED11ECF0-- From nobody Wed May 8 19:34:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4B4120272 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hTEmOrGmDkBx for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A85D120277 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0C1CA812F7AC602F3FF8 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 03:34:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 9 May 2019 03:34:37 +0100 Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 9 May 2019 03:34:37 +0100 Received: from DGGEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.49) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 9 May 2019 03:34:37 +0100 Received: from DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.13]) by dggeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:34:30 +0800 From: "Guyunan (Yunan Gu, IP Technology Research Dept. NW)" To: "idr@ietf.org" , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Thread-Index: AdT17jAMyz+sjMM6SRqyoxzf6xKAMQOlnl9wAGGYuhA= Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 02:34:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B84285@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5B84285@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.184.132] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B7134E59B3DGGEML532MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 02:34:45 -0000 --_000_C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B7134E59B3DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Speaking from the vendor perspective, we have received requirements from cl= ients, who have concerns regarding the YANG standardization process, asking= for alternative solutions such as BGP and PCEP. And we also have clients w= ho want BGP only. Thus, using either BGP-LS or BGP for SID provisioning is = worth discussion. BGP, as its current state, might be not as mature as PCEP regarding SID man= agement. However, necessary augmented works to BGP can be done, and can ser= ve as a workable way. Yunan From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:05 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2= 019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocati= on-ext-02.txt. You can access the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/ In your comments, consider: 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for= allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment rou= ting? 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? 6) Do you know of any early implementations? By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John an= d I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG= draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS= drafts. If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon adoption,= I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. Sue Hares PS - I'm trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the proce= ss in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John= . --_000_C01B0098369B2D4391851938DA6700B7134E59B3DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Speaking from the vendor perspective, we have received require= ments from clients, who have concerns regarding the YANG standardization pr= ocess, asking for alternative solutions such as BGP and PCEP. And we also have clients who want BGP only. Thus, us= ing either BGP-LS or BGP for SID provisioning is worth discussion.

 

BGP, as its current state, might be not as mature as PCEP rega= rding SID management. However, necessary augmented works to BGP can be done= , and can serve as a workable way.  

 

 

Yunan

 

&n= bsp;

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:05 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoptio= n call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can ac= cess the draft at:

 

https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/=

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1) &nbs= p;    Does this draft mechani= sms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a bene= ficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment routing?

2) &nbs= p;    Is the mechanism well-f= ormed enough to adopted as a WG draft?   

3) &nbs= p;    Do you see any problems= with using these IDs for flow redirection?

4) &nbs= p;    Do you support extendin= g BGP-LS?

5) &nbs= p;    Should we provide an ea= rly allocation for this technology?

6) &nbs= p;    Do you know of any earl= y implementations?

 

By answering these questions du= ring WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determine what issues need = to be considered prior to finalizing this WG draft.    Your = answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.   

 

If enough people indicate that = they wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then send this early al= location to Alvaro.  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS – I’m trying new= methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG. =  Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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Regards, --Bruno From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:14 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16= /2018] This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/ Please consider the following questions in commenting on the 1) Does this draft needed support for the SRV6? 2) Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6? 3) Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft? If so, do these technical issues present any major problems to the technica= l solution? 4) Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for implem= entation? One special note, if you mentioning technical issues regarding a draft it c= an be helpful to the WG. Our goal is to provide good BGP support of the Sp= ring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion. 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Hi Sue, all

 

Support as co-author.

 

Regards,

--Bruno

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:14 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2= - 5/16/2018]

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for d= raft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-da= wra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext/

 

Please consider the following questions in = commenting on the

 

1)    &nbs= p; Does this draft needed support for the SRV6?

2)    &nbs= p; Is this draft a good starting point for the BGP support for SRv6?

3)    &nbs= p; Do you know of any technical issues regarding this draft?

If so, do these technical issues pre= sent any major problems to the technical solution?

 

4)    &nbs= p; Do you know of any existing implementations or any plans for imp= lementation?

 

One special note, if you mentioning technic= al issues regarding a draft it can be helpful to the WG.  Our goal is = to provide good BGP support of the Spring BGP-LS work in a timely fashion.  The SRv6 support is key to the Spring effo= rt – so it would be helpful to mention and get resolved any issues wi= th this draft.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares  

 

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--000000000000c72174058874544a-- From nobody Thu May 9 07:30:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A871202A5; Thu, 9 May 2019 07:29:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: CC: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares , idr-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155741219921.24664.11584568777749183911.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 07:29:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 14:30:00 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-05-23. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by routing protocols e.g. by the link state routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPFv2 and OSPFv3) within IGP topologies. This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family in order to carry segment routing information via BGP. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Thu May 9 09:30:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD2012016A; Thu, 9 May 2019 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155741943988.24640.6891314114197656861@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 09:30:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 16:30:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Revised Validation Procedure for BGP Flow Specifications Authors : James Uttaro Juan Alcaide Clarence Filsfils David Smith Pradosh Mohapatra Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2019-05-09 Abstract: This document describes a modification to the validation procedure defined in RFC 5575bis for the dissemination of BGP flow specifications. RFC 5575bis requires that the originator of the flow specification matches the originator of the best-match unicast route for the destination prefix embedded in the flow specification. This allows only BGP speakers within the data forwarding path (such as autonomous system border routers) to originate BGP flow specifications. Though it is possible to disseminate such flow specifications directly from border routers, it may be operationally cumbersome in an autonomous system with a large number of border routers having complex BGP policies. The modification proposed herein enables flow specifications to be originated from a centralized BGP route controller. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please see section 8 specifically this paragraph: Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route Target extended communities associated with the BGP path advertisement with the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described in "BGP/ MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364 ] . Thx, Robert. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN wrote: > Hello All, > > > > My name is Ercin TORUN and I=E2= =80=99m > working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital > services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer. I would like to propo= se > an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > . > > > > By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are applied to all routers, > and unnecessary application of many filters can easily owerwhelm the > capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the > edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC > topologies which widens the layer3 domain easily over thousands of device= s. > It is best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enter= s a network. There > are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like > defining a community for each router and configuring policies, but an > automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is > using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targete= d > router might accept the announcement. > > > > All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > > =E2=80=9C In a common use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to on= e or a > few > > routers and to apply many different filters to many different routers. > > By default, all filters are applied to all routers. In this use case, > > the unnecessary application of the many filters can easily overwhelm > > the capacity of the routers. To simplify this use case, > > route-targets may be used to apply the filters to only the needed > routers: > > > > If one or more IPv4-Address-Specific route-targets are present, then > > the IPv4 address of at least one route- > > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order > > for the update to be accepted. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > Regards > > Er=C3=A7in TORUN > > > > > Bu elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece gondericisi > tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel kisinin kullanimi > icindir. 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Hi Ercin,

What you are asking/proposing= has been standardized in the original RFC5575 already many years=C2=A0ago.= =C2=A0

Please see section 8 specifically this para= graph:

   Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route Target
   extended communities associated with the BGP path advertisement with
   the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described in "BG=
P/
   MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364] =
.

Thx,
Robe= rt.


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Heitz (jheitz)" Cc: ERCIN TORUN , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000557b5e05887ae1bd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 21:10:39 -0000 --000000000000557b5e05887ae1bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jakob, I am assuming he is using MPLS fabric for a reason ... One most likely reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwise what would be the point to use MPLS to start with ? Basic hierarchical routing ? And even for L3VPN MPLS in transport layer. It is also not needed for isolating underlay from overlay tenants routes. Regardless as you know RTs do apply for any SAFI not just 128. The only point is sort of automation to router_id filtering ... I guess an implementation can support it for any SAFI as well with an extra knob. That would not be specific to flow-spec by just a vendor's local enhancement. As you know FlowSpec's main role was to prevent DDoS. With that you never know on which ASBR your distributed attacks arrive so pushing filters to only subset of them is a questionable. If you have 10s or 100s of ASBRs you would need now to apply long list of matching RTs. The solution is not backwards compatible as current routers unless upgraded with new knob would accept all filters anyway. I hope no one wants this to be active by default as it would kill RFC5575 and turn FlowSpec to NetConf. If you want to limit the filters only to ASBRs maybe some more generic RT needs to be defined - say "apply only on EBGP speakers" ? Overall abuse of FlowSpec seems to continue. P2MP distributed nature of BGP propagation keeps being used as P2P config push protocol. I am just not sure when such use cases will stop popping up left and right. Best, R. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > Robert, > > > > Section 8 applies to VPNv4 flow spec. > > > > I see two differences in Ercin's proposal. > > First, it is for IP Flow Spec, rather than for VPN > > Second, the IPv4 address in the RT matches with the router-id. > > This avoids the requirement to allocate and manage another identifier to > match the RT. > > that is an operational advantage. > > > > I support Ercin's proposal. > > > > Regards, > > Jakob. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of * Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM > *To:* ERCIN TORUN > *Cc:* idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > Hi Ercin, > > > > What you are asking/proposing has been standardized in the original > RFC5575 already many years ago. > > > > Please see section 8 specifically this paragraph: > > > > Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route Target > > extended communities associated with the BGP path advertisement with > > the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described in "BGP/ > > MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364 ] .. > > > > Thx, > Robert. > > > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN > wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > My name is Ercin TORUN and I=E2= =80=99m > working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital > services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer. I would like to propo= se > an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > . > > > > By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are applied to all routers, > and unnecessary application of many filters can easily owerwhelm the > capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the > edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC > topologies which widens the layer3 domain easily over thousands of device= s. > It is best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enter= s a network. There > are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like > defining a community for each router and configuring policies, but an > automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is > using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targete= d > router might accept the announcement. > > > > All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > > =E2=80=9C In a common use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to on= e or a > few > > routers and to apply many different filters to many different routers. > > By default, all filters are applied to all routers. In this use case, > > the unnecessary application of the many filters can easily overwhelm > > the capacity of the routers. To simplify this use case, > > route-targets may be used to apply the filters to only the needed > routers: > > > > If one or more IPv4-Address-Specific route-targets are present, then > > the IPv4 address of at least one route- > > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order > > for the update to be accepted. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > Regards > > Er=C3=A7in TORUN > > > > > > Bu elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece gondericisi > tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel kisinin kullanimi > icindir. Eger soz konusu yetkili alici degilseniz bu elektronik postanin > icerigini aciklamaniz, kopyalamaniz, yonlendirmeniz ve kullanmaniz > kesinlikle yasaktir ve bu elektronik postayi derhal silmeniz gerekmektedi= r. > > TURKCELL bu mesajin icerdigi bilgilerin do=C4=9Frulu=C4=9Fu veya eksiksiz= oldugu > konusunda herhangi bir garanti vermemektedir. Bu nedenle bu bilgilerin ne > sekilde olursa olsun iceriginden, iletilmesinden, alinmasindan ve > saklanmasindan sorumlu degildir. Bu mesajdaki gorusler yalnizca gonderen > kisiye aittir ve TURKCELLin goruslerini yansitmayabilir > > Bu e-posta bilinen butun bilgisayar viruslerine karsi taranmistir. > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. 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Hey Jakob,

I am assuming he is using MP= LS fabric for a reason ... One most likely reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwi= se what would be the point to use MPLS to start with ? Basic hierarchical r= outing ? And even for L3VPN MPLS in transport layer. It is also not needed = for isolating underlay from overlay tenants routes.=C2=A0

Regardless as you know RTs do apply for any SAFI not just 128.=C2= =A0

The only point is sort of automation to router= _id filtering ... I guess an implementation can support it for any SAFI as = well with an extra knob. That would not be specific to flow-spec by just a = vendor's local enhancement.=C2=A0

As you know = FlowSpec's main role was to prevent DDoS. With that you never know on w= hich ASBR your distributed attacks arrive so pushing filters to only subset= of them is a questionable. If you have 10s or 100s of ASBRs you would need= now to apply long list of matching RTs.=C2=A0

The= solution is not backwards compatible as current routers unless upgraded wi= th new knob would accept all filters anyway. I hope no one wants this to be= active by default as it would kill RFC5575 and turn FlowSpec to NetConf.= =C2=A0

If you want to limit the filters only to AS= BRs maybe some more generic RT needs to be defined - say "apply only o= n EBGP speakers" ?=C2=A0

Overall abuse of Flo= wSpec seems to continue. P2MP distributed nature of BGP propagation keeps b= eing used as P2P config push protocol. I am just not sure when such use cas= es will stop popping up left and right.=C2=A0

Best= ,
R.


On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob He= itz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:

Robert,

=C2=A0

Section 8 applies to VPNv4 flow spec.<= u>

=C2=A0

I see two differences in Ercin's p= roposal.

First, it is for IP Flow Spec, rather = than for VPN

Second, the IPv4 address in the RT mat= ches with the router-id.

This avoids the requirement to allocat= e and manage another identifier to match the RT.

that is an operational advantage.

=C2=A0

I support Ercin's proposal.=

=C2=A0

Regards,

Jakob.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM
To: ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr>
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@tur= kcell.com.tr> wrote:

Hello All,

=C2=A0

My name is Ercin T= ORUN and I=E2=80=99m working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed cu= stomer, +digital services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer.=C2=A0 I= would like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14.

=C2=A0

By default all flowspec entries (f= ilters..) are applied to all routers, and unnecessary application of many f= ilters can easily owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the edges with solutions l= ike seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC topologies which widens = the layer3 domain easily over thousands of devices. It is best to filter = =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enters a network. There are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted= router, like defining a community for each router and configuring policies= , but an automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our = idea is using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targeted router might accept the anno= uncement.

=C2=A0

All in all, I propose to add below= text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C=C2=A0=C2=A0 I= n a common use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to one or a few

=C2=A0=C2=A0 routers and to apply many different= filters to many different routers.<= /span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 By default, all filters are applied= to all routers. In this use case,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the unnecessary application of the = many filters can easily overwhelm

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the capacity of the routers. To sim= plify this use case,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0route-targets may be used to apply = the filters to only the needed routers:<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If one or more IPv4-Address-Specifi= c route-targets are present, then

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the IPv4 address of at least one ro= ute-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 target MUST match one of the BGP Id= entifiers of the receiver in order

=C2=A0=C2=A0 for the update to be accepted.

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

Regards

Er=C3=A7in TORUN



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--000000000000557b5e05887ae1bd-- From nobody Thu May 9 15:58:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320B81200DF for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C3 hex): X-Spam-Report: ...\n\tContent preview: Hi Er\303\247in, Robert, Ja[...] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zKvinkcAYHLf for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 15:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hated.at (mail.hated.at [IPv6:2001:858:2:8::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968831200DE for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 15:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:6f02:200:12e1:1489:8cc8:92b5:88fc] by mail.hated.at with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1hOruz-0006eO-76; Fri, 10 May 2019 00:53:38 +0200 From: Christoph Loibl Message-Id: <45903917-F08E-47ED-BCA0-46530D63ED16@tix.at> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F9875CCF-15AC-4770-B984-5445CDD8B03A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 22:57:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" , Robert Raszuk , "idr@ietf.org" To: ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 22:58:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F9875CCF-15AC-4770-B984-5445CDD8B03A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Er=C3=A7in, Robert, Jakob, =46rom Er=C3=A7in=E2=80=99s mail I understand that he wants his routers = to accept FS routes only if the receiving router_id is encoded in the RT = (MPLS is mentioned in the mail but I think what Er=C3=A7in suggests has = nothing to do with MPLS VPN). Er=C3=A7in also points out that the same = functionality can already be achieved by tagging the FS-prefix with a = specific community (or whatever available) and have the router's bgp = policy-framework select/filter the (non-)appropriate FS filters (or even = have the route-reflectors do the filtering. btw. when it comes to RRs = the suggested solution also seems a litte more tricky).=20 The suggested solution eases the configuration in your specific use-case = since you do not need to manually (I doubt that you are doing that = manually anyway - given the scale of the deployment that you describe) = those policies anymore.=20 However, I agree with what Robert wrote in his last mail:=20 This is *not* a problem to solve specifically for FS. For example you = may want to have a router import an IP unicast route only in case the = router_id matches some extended community - why does it need to go into = FS? It could be useful for other SAFIs as well! It may need additional = considerations because of BGP route propagation and scaling (route = reflection, but also propagation over multiple routing domains). On the = other hand, since it can be achieved with configuration already: Does = this really need to go into BGP? Cheers Christoph --=20 Christoph Loibl c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at > On 09.05.2019, at 21:10, Robert Raszuk wrote: >=20 > Hey Jakob, >=20 > I am assuming he is using MPLS fabric for a reason ... One most likely = reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwise what would be the point to use MPLS = to start with ? Basic hierarchical routing ? And even for L3VPN MPLS in = transport layer. It is also not needed for isolating underlay from = overlay tenants routes.=20 >=20 > Regardless as you know RTs do apply for any SAFI not just 128.=20 >=20 > The only point is sort of automation to router_id filtering ... I = guess an implementation can support it for any SAFI as well with an = extra knob. That would not be specific to flow-spec by just a vendor's = local enhancement.=20 >=20 > As you know FlowSpec's main role was to prevent DDoS. With that you = never know on which ASBR your distributed attacks arrive so pushing = filters to only subset of them is a questionable. If you have 10s or = 100s of ASBRs you would need now to apply long list of matching RTs.=20 >=20 > The solution is not backwards compatible as current routers unless = upgraded with new knob would accept all filters anyway. I hope no one = wants this to be active by default as it would kill RFC5575 and turn = FlowSpec to NetConf.=20 >=20 > If you want to limit the filters only to ASBRs maybe some more generic = RT needs to be defined - say "apply only on EBGP speakers" ?=20 >=20 > Overall abuse of FlowSpec seems to continue. P2MP distributed nature = of BGP propagation keeps being used as P2P config push protocol. I am = just not sure when such use cases will stop popping up left and right.=20= >=20 > Best, > R. >=20 >=20 > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) > wrote: > Robert, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Section 8 applies to VPNv4 flow spec. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I see two differences in Ercin's proposal. >=20 > First, it is for IP Flow Spec, rather than for VPN >=20 > Second, the IPv4 address in the RT matches with the router-id. >=20 > This avoids the requirement to allocate and manage another identifier = to match the RT. >=20 > that is an operational advantage. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I support Ercin's proposal. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Jakob. >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Idr > On = Behalf Of Robert Raszuk > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM > To: ERCIN TORUN > > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Hi Ercin, >=20 > =20 >=20 > What you are asking/proposing has been standardized in the original = RFC5575 already many years ago.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please see section 8 specifically this paragraph: >=20 > =20 >=20 > Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route Target > extended communities associated with the BGP path advertisement = with > the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described in = "BGP/ > MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364 ] .. > =20 >=20 > Thx, > Robert. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN = > = wrote: >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > =20 >=20 > My name is Ercin TORUN and = I=E2=80=99m working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, = +digital services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer. I would = like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 = . >=20 > =20 >=20 > By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are applied to all = routers, and unnecessary application of many filters can easily = owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing = layer3 to the edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine = next-generation DC topologies which widens the layer3 domain easily over = thousands of devices. It is best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D = traffic where it first enters a network. There are ways to accept BGP = announcements only on the targeted router, like defining a community for = each router and configuring policies, but an automated way would be much = more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is using a route-taget to = match with BGP Identifier so that only the targeted router might accept = the announcement. >=20 > =20 >=20 > All in all, I propose to add below text to = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 = > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=9C In a common use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to = one or a few >=20 > routers and to apply many different filters to many different = routers. >=20 > By default, all filters are applied to all routers. In this use = case, >=20 > the unnecessary application of the many filters can easily = overwhelm >=20 > the capacity of the routers. To simplify this use case, >=20 > route-targets may be used to apply the filters to only the needed = routers: >=20 > =20 >=20 > If one or more IPv4-Address-Specific route-targets are present, = then >=20 > the IPv4 address of at least one route- >=20 > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in = order >=20 > for the update to be accepted. >=20 > =E2=80=9C >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards >=20 > Er=C3=A7in TORUN >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Bu elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece = gondericisi tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel = kisinin kullanimi icindir. Eger soz konusu yetkili alici degilseniz bu = elektronik postanin icerigini aciklamaniz, kopyalamaniz, yonlendirmeniz = ve kullanmaniz kesinlikle yasaktir ve bu elektronik postayi derhal = silmeniz gerekmektedir. >=20 > TURKCELL bu mesajin icerdigi bilgilerin do=C4=9Frulu=C4=9Fu veya = eksiksiz oldugu konusunda herhangi bir garanti vermemektedir. Bu nedenle = bu bilgilerin ne sekilde olursa olsun iceriginden, iletilmesinden, = alinmasindan ve saklanmasindan sorumlu degildir. Bu mesajdaki gorusler = yalnizca gonderen kisiye aittir ve TURKCELLin goruslerini = yansitmayabilir >=20 > Bu e-posta bilinen butun bilgisayar viruslerine karsi taranmistir. >=20 > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and = intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are = addressed. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified = that any dissemination, forwarding, copying or use of any of the = information is strictly prohibited, and the e-mail should immediately be = deleted. >=20 > TURKCELL makes no warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of any = information contained in this message and hereby excludes any liability = of any kind for the information contained therein or for the information = transmission, reception, storage or use of such in any way whatsoever. = The opinions expressed in this message belong to sender alone and may = not necessarily reflect the opinions of TURKCELL.. >=20 > This e-mail has been scanned for all known computer viruses. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr = _______________________________= ________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail=_F9875CCF-15AC-4770-B984-5445CDD8B03A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Er=C3=A7in, Robert, Jakob,

From Er=C3=A7in=E2=80=99s mail I = understand that he wants his routers to accept FS routes only if the = receiving router_id is encoded in the RT (MPLS is mentioned in the mail = but I think what Er=C3=A7in suggests has nothing to do with MPLS VPN). = Er=C3=A7in also points out that the same functionality can already be = achieved by tagging the FS-prefix with a specific community (or whatever = available) and have the router's bgp policy-framework select/filter the = (non-)appropriate FS filters (or even have the route-reflectors do the = filtering. btw. when it comes to RRs the suggested solution also seems a = litte more tricky). 

The suggested solution eases the configuration in your = specific use-case since you do not need to manually (I doubt that you = are doing that manually anyway - given the scale of the deployment that = you describe) those policies anymore. 

However, I agree with what Robert wrote = in his last mail: 

This is *not* a problem to solve specifically for FS. For = example you may want to have a router import an IP unicast route only in = case the router_id matches some extended community - why does it need to = go into FS? It could be useful for other SAFIs as well! It may need = additional considerations because of BGP route propagation and scaling = (route reflection, but also propagation over multiple routing domains). = On the other hand, since it can be achieved with configuration already: = Does this really need to go into BGP?

Cheers Christoph
-- 
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c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 = | http://www.nextlayer.at



On 09.05.2019, at 21:10, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:

Hey Jakob,

I am assuming he is using MPLS fabric for a reason ... One = most likely reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwise what would be the point = to use MPLS to start with ? Basic hierarchical routing ? And even for = L3VPN MPLS in transport layer. It is also not needed for isolating = underlay from overlay tenants routes. 

Regardless as you know RTs do apply for = any SAFI not just 128. 

The only point is sort of automation to = router_id filtering ... I guess an implementation can support it for any = SAFI as well with an extra knob. That would not be specific to flow-spec = by just a vendor's local enhancement. 

As you know FlowSpec's main role was to = prevent DDoS. With that you never know on which ASBR your distributed = attacks arrive so pushing filters to only subset of them is a = questionable. If you have 10s or 100s of ASBRs you would need now to = apply long list of matching RTs. 

The solution is not backwards = compatible as current routers unless upgraded with new knob would accept = all filters anyway. I hope no one wants this to be active by default as = it would kill RFC5575 and turn FlowSpec to NetConf. 

If you want to limit the = filters only to ASBRs maybe some more generic RT needs to be defined - = say "apply only on EBGP speakers" ? 

Overall abuse of FlowSpec seems to = continue. P2MP distributed nature of BGP propagation keeps being used as = P2P config push protocol. I am just not sure when such use cases will = stop popping up left and right. 

Best,
R.


On Thu, May = 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> = wrote:

Robert,

 

Section 8 applies to VPNv4 = flow spec.

 

I see two differences in = Ercin's proposal.

First, it is for IP Flow = Spec, rather than for VPN

Second, the IPv4 address in = the RT matches with the router-id.

This avoids the requirement = to allocate and manage another identifier to match the RT.

that is an operational = advantage.

 

I support Ercin's = proposal.

 

Regards,

Jakob.

 

From: = Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM
To: ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr>
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

 

Hi Ercin,

 

What you are asking/proposing has = been standardized in the original RFC5575 already many = years ago. 

 

Please see section 8 specifically = this paragraph:

 

   Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by =
matching Route Target
   extended =
communities associated with the BGP path advertisement with
   the VRF import =
policy, using the same mechanism as described in "BGP/
   MPLS IP VPNs" =
[RFC4364] ..

 

Thx,
Robert.

 

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM = ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr> = wrote:

Hello = All,

 

My name is Ercin TORUN and I=E2=80=99m working in Turkcell Turkey = (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital services) as an IP/MPLS Network = Planning Engineer.  I would like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14.

 

By default all flowspec = entries (filters..) are applied to all routers, and unnecessary = application of many filters can easily owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the edges with = solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC topologies = which widens the layer3 domain easily over thousands of devices. It is = best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enters a network. There are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the = targeted router, like defining a community for each router and = configuring policies, but an automated way would be much more easier and = less error-prone. Our idea is using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targeted router might accept the = announcement.

 

All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

 

=E2=80=9C   In a common use case, it is necessary to apply a = filter to one or a few

   routers and to apply many different filters to = many different routers.

   By default, all filters are applied to all = routers. In this use case,

   the unnecessary application of the many filters = can easily overwhelm

   the capacity of the routers. To simplify this = use case,

  =  route-targets may be used to apply the filters to only the needed = routers:

 

   If = one or more IPv4-Address-Specific route-targets are present, = then

   = the IPv4 address of at least one route-

   target MUST match one = of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order

   for the update to be = accepted.

=E2=80=9C

 

Regards

Er=C3=A7in TORUN



Bu = elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece gondericisi = tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel kisinin kullanimi = icindir. Eger soz konusu yetkili alici degilseniz bu elektronik postanin icerigini aciklamaniz, kopyalamaniz, yonlendirmeniz ve kullanmaniz = kesinlikle yasaktir ve bu elektronik postayi derhal silmeniz = gerekmektedir.

TURKCELL = bu mesajin icerdigi bilgilerin do=C4=9Frulu=C4=9Fu veya eksiksiz oldugu = konusunda herhangi bir garanti vermemektedir. Bu nedenle bu bilgilerin = ne sekilde olursa olsun iceriginden, iletilmesinden, alinmasindan ve = saklanmasindan sorumlu degildir. Bu mesajdaki gorusler yalnizca gonderen kisiye aittir = ve TURKCELLin goruslerini yansitmayabilir

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On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr&= gt; wrote:

Hello All,

=C2=A0

My name is Ercin TORUN and I=E2=80=99m working in Turkc= ell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital services) as an IP/MPLS = Network Planning Engineer.=C2=A0 I would like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14.

=C2=A0

By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are appl= ied to all routers, and unnecessary application of many filters can easily = owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing lay= er3 to the edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC topologies which widens the= layer3 domain easily over thousands of devices. It is best to filter =E2= =80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enters a network. There are way= s to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like defining a community for each router and configuring policies= , but an automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our = idea is using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the t= argeted router might accept the announcement.

=C2=A0

All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C=C2=A0=C2=A0 In a common= use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to one or a few<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 routers and to apply= many different filters to many different routers.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 By default, all filt= ers are applied to all routers. In this use case,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the unnecessary appl= ication of the many filters can easily overwhelm

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the capacity of the = routers. To simplify this use case,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0route-targets may be= used to apply the filters to only the needed routers:=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If one or more IPv4-= Address-Specific route-targets are present, then

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the IPv4 address of = at least one route-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 target MUST match on= e of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order

=C2=A0=C2=A0 for the update to be= accepted.

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

Regards

Er=C3=A7in TORUN



Bu elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece gondericisi= tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel kisinin kullanimi i= cindir. Eger soz konusu yetkili alici degilseniz bu elektronik postanin ice= rigini aciklamaniz, kopyalamaniz, yonlendirmeniz ve kullanmaniz kesinlikle yasaktir ve bu elektronik postayi= derhal silmeniz gerekmektedir.

TURKCELL bu mesajin icerdigi bilgilerin do=C4=9Frulu=C4=9Fu veya eksiksi= z oldugu konusunda herhangi bir garanti vermemektedir. Bu nedenle bu bilgil= erin ne sekilde olursa olsun iceriginden, iletilmesinden, alinmasindan ve s= aklanmasindan sorumlu degildir. Bu mesajdaki gorusler yalnizca gonderen kisiye aittir ve TURKCELLin goruslerini yansitm= ayabilir

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=F2pQ1omsPRzTS91eu+l/M6BVKYAZhMeHFcUhSHapcwA=; b=LTFXfd1lVdUpsftiRScX+xLpkXlvL6N8ZtD6QutXhgFvmefs9YF9N11qonBVQmswnC yqUFVwDnLcHVtqR8cK4TqSS1IwDXQzDC28uWKeBe9ISl44AmmeF9eoiCeVCfinVCD/hA 6dPB/wbzRvh9oQKIakAnjHOTec0W5vnNgz6QDFHLiM9lS0SWm3jRfFTrGSbr3E7zx5g0 QF1K5nhBqvsmxn7C6V3RFU9t8qKOIzgfFZuqynZlbjJ+305wkXRAHtkZhUf3vLmI15B7 hSDs4ZfkiU55ghQNEALEFcbnEJfqU2DytE1Cw2bMVTRzpoesfCsTXLGZFSB7ZvHkMFhB T53w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F2pQ1omsPRzTS91eu+l/M6BVKYAZhMeHFcUhSHapcwA=; b=i9OE4HvZFWFzf8mZewfkzVY+5d0KeoOBW1rIl/f12oxCfeSmoEhoH8ubYMMvFKNsg6 9iSO90pM2z8cD+WPHaWYDb3OsaKxAXz793pARZnUHB9YXOnUmyNa/iWJF0UjgKPeyRl+ IhV9oKFx8K62g4tO4wIEvzvJNfpQYq12yhxsJJFSIO31/Ny6Kq8+he3Yh9uVjemyZ1LY 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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 08:41:01 -0000 --0000000000005fb67f058884866e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thx for clarification. So your use case is to use BGP as targeted config push. You seems not worried that 600+ routers and RRs will get FS updates only for 599+ to drop them. I do think that BGP should *not* be used for config push regardless if this is ACLs or SIDs or XYZ. The idea of original 5575 leverages BGP for real p2mp filter push and that along with unicast validation are the only two reasons why we used BGP for it to start with. In your use case neither of those two reasons apply Cheers, R. On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 9:22 AM ERCIN TORUN wrote: > Hello Christoph, Jakob, Robert, > > > > We wanted to filter DDOS attacks happening inside our AS , attacks from > customers to customers, so my idea is not related to MPLS VPN or filterin= g > a DDOS attack coming from a transit provider. Customers layer3 connection= s > are terminated on around 600 routers today, which will increase when we > push down layer3 terminations further into the edge. > > > > As Christoph mentioned solution eases the configuration by taking out > manual configuration (assuming a DDOS analyzer could analyze the origin > interface/router of the attack and insert BGP router id into FS routes) > and lessens the filter load on routers. We are not using FS today for > attacks happening inside our AS, i came up with the idea what if we start > using it. > > > > I found a use case for BGP FS, might be useful for other SAFIs as well as > Robert wrote. But yes it is also possible having such a functionality wit= h > local enhancement (hopefully on major router vendors). > > > > Regards > > Er=C3=A7in TORUN > > *From:* Christoph Loibl > *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 1:58 AM > *To:* ERCIN TORUN > *Cc:* Jakob Heitz (jheitz) ; Robert Raszuk < > robert@raszuk.net>; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > Hi Er=C3=A7in, Robert, Jakob, > > > > From Er=C3=A7in=E2=80=99s mail I understand that he wants his routers to = accept FS > routes only if the receiving router_id is encoded in the RT (MPLS is > mentioned in the mail but I think what Er=C3=A7in suggests has nothing to= do > with MPLS VPN). Er=C3=A7in also points out that the same functionality ca= n > already be achieved by tagging the FS-prefix with a specific community (o= r > whatever available) and have the router's bgp policy-framework > select/filter the (non-)appropriate FS filters (or even have the > route-reflectors do the filtering. btw. when it comes to RRs the suggeste= d > solution also seems a litte more tricky). > > > > The suggested solution eases the configuration in your specific use-case > since you do not need to manually (I doubt that you are doing that manual= ly > anyway - given the scale of the deployment that you describe) those > policies anymore. > > > > However, I agree with what Robert wrote in his last mail: > > > > This is *not* a problem to solve specifically for FS. For example you may > want to have a router import an IP unicast route only in case the router_= id > matches some extended community - why does it need to go into FS? It coul= d > be useful for other SAFIs as well! It may need additional considerations > because of BGP route propagation and scaling (route reflection, but also > propagation over multiple routing domains). On the other hand, since it c= an > be achieved with configuration already: Does this really need to go into > BGP? > > > > Cheers Christoph > > > > -- > Christoph Loibl > c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at > > > > > > > > On 09.05.2019, at 21:10, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > > > Hey Jakob, > > > > I am assuming he is using MPLS fabric for a reason ... One most likely > reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwise what would be the point to use MPLS to > start with ? Basic hierarchical routing ? And even for L3VPN MPLS in > transport layer. It is also not needed for isolating underlay from overla= y > tenants routes. > > > > Regardless as you know RTs do apply for any SAFI not just 128. > > > > The only point is sort of automation to router_id filtering ... I guess a= n > implementation can support it for any SAFI as well with an extra knob. Th= at > would not be specific to flow-spec by just a vendor's local enhancement. > > > > As you know FlowSpec's main role was to prevent DDoS. With that you never > know on which ASBR your distributed attacks arrive so pushing filters to > only subset of them is a questionable. If you have 10s or 100s of ASBRs y= ou > would need now to apply long list of matching RTs. > > > > The solution is not backwards compatible as current routers unless > upgraded with new knob would accept all filters anyway. I hope no one wan= ts > this to be active by default as it would kill RFC5575 and turn FlowSpec t= o > NetConf. > > > > If you want to limit the filters only to ASBRs maybe some more generic RT > needs to be defined - say "apply only on EBGP speakers" ? > > > > Overall abuse of FlowSpec seems to continue. P2MP distributed nature of > BGP propagation keeps being used as P2P config push protocol. I am just n= ot > sure when such use cases will stop popping up left and right. > > > > Best, > > R. > > > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) > wrote: > > Robert, > > > > Section 8 applies to VPNv4 flow spec. > > > > I see two differences in Ercin's proposal. > > First, it is for IP Flow Spec, rather than for VPN > > Second, the IPv4 address in the RT matches with the router-id. > > This avoids the requirement to allocate and manage another identifier to > match the RT. > > that is an operational advantage. > > > > I support Ercin's proposal. > > > > Regards, > > Jakob. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM > *To:* ERCIN TORUN > *Cc:* idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > Hi Ercin, > > > > What you are asking/proposing has been standardized in the original > RFC5575 already many years ago. > > > > Please see section 8 specifically this paragraph: > > > > Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route Target > > extended communities associated with the BGP path advertisement with > > the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described in "BGP/ > > MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364 ] .. > > > > Thx, > Robert. > > > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM ERCIN TORUN > wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > My name is Ercin TORUN and I=E2= =80=99m > working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital > services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer. I would like to propo= se > an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > . > > > > By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are applied to all routers, > and unnecessary application of many filters can easily owerwhelm the > capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the > edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC > topologies which widens the layer3 domain easily over thousands of device= s. > It is best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2=80=9D traffic where it first enter= s a network. There > are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like > defining a community for each router and configuring policies, but an > automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is > using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targete= d > router might accept the announcement. > > > > All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 > > > > > =E2=80=9C In a common use case, it is necessary to apply a filter to on= e or a > few > > routers and to apply many different filters to many different routers. > > By default, all filters are applied to all routers. In this use case, > > the unnecessary application of the many filters can easily overwhelm > > the capacity of the routers. To simplify this use case, > > route-targets may be used to apply the filters to only the needed > routers: > > > > If one or more IPv4-Address-Specific route-targets are present, then > > the IPv4 address of at least one route- > > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order > > for the update to be accepted. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > Regards > > Er=C3=A7in TORUN > > > > [image: http://www.turkcell.com.tr/downloads/bireysel/img/Tcelldis.gif] > > > Bu elektronik posta ve onunla iletilen butun dosyalar sadece gondericisi > tarafindan almasi amaclanan yetkili gercek ya da tuzel kisinin kullanimi > icindir. Eger soz konusu yetkili alici degilseniz bu elektronik postanin > icerigini aciklamaniz, kopyalamaniz, yonlendirmeniz ve kullanmaniz > kesinlikle yasaktir ve bu elektronik postayi derhal silmeniz gerekmektedi= r. > > TURKCELL bu mesajin icerdigi bilgilerin do=C4=9Frulu=C4=9Fu veya eksiksiz= oldugu > konusunda herhangi bir garanti vermemektedir. 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Thx for clarification.=C2=A0

=
So your use case is to use BGP as targeted config push. You seems not = worried that 600+ routers and RRs will get FS updates only for 599+ to drop= them.=C2=A0

I do think that BGP should *not* be u= sed for config push regardless if this is ACLs or SIDs or XYZ.=C2=A0
<= div>
The idea of original 5575 leverages BGP for real p2mp fi= lter push and that along with unicast validation are the only two reasons w= hy we used BGP for it to start with. In your use case neither of those two = reasons apply

Cheers,
R.

<= /div>


On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 9:22 AM ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr>= wrote:

Hello Christoph, Jakob, Robert,

=C2=A0

We wanted to filter DDOS attacks happening i= nside our AS , attacks from customers to customers, so my idea is not relat= ed to MPLS VPN or filtering a DDOS attack coming from a transit provider. Customers layer= 3 connections are terminated on around 600 routers today, which will increa= se when we push down layer3 terminations further into the edge.

=C2=A0

As Christoph mentioned solution eases the co= nfiguration by taking out manual configuration (assuming a DDOS analyzer co= uld analyze the origin interface/router of the attack=C2=A0 and insert BGP router id i= nto FS routes) and lessens the filter load on routers. We are not using FS = today for attacks happening inside our AS, i came up with the idea what if = we start using it.

=C2=A0

I found a use case for BGP FS, might be usef= ul for other SAFIs as well as Robert wrote. But yes it is also possible hav= ing such a functionality with local enhancement (hopefully on major router vendors). =

=C2=A0

Regards

Er=C3=A7in TORUN

From: Christoph Loibl <c@tix.at>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 1:58 AM
To: ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr>
Cc: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>; Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

Hi=C2=A0Er=C3=A7in, Robert, Jakob,

=C2=A0

From=C2=A0Er=C3=A7in=E2=80=99s mail I understand tha= t he wants his routers to accept FS routes only if the receiving router_id = is encoded in the RT (MPLS is mentioned in the mail but I think what Er=C3= =A7in suggests has nothing to do with MPLS VPN). Er=C3=A7in also points out that the same functionality can already be achieved by tagging = the FS-prefix with a specific community (or whatever available) and have th= e router's bgp policy-framework select/filter the (non-)appropriate FS = filters (or even have the route-reflectors do the filtering. btw. when it comes to RRs the suggested solution also se= ems a litte more tricky).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The suggested solution eases the configuration in yo= ur specific use-case since you do not need to manually (I doubt that you ar= e doing that manually anyway - given the scale of the deployment that you d= escribe) those policies anymore.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

However, I agree with what Robert wrote in his last = mail:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This is *not* a problem to solve specifically for FS= . For example you may want to have a router import an IP unicast route only= in case the router_id matches some extended community - why does it need t= o go into FS? It could be useful for other SAFIs as well! It may need additional considerations because of BGP = route propagation and scaling (route reflection, but also propagation over = multiple routing domains). On the other hand, since it can be achieved with= configuration already: Does this really need to go into BGP?

=C2=A0

Cheers Christoph

=C2=A0

--=C2=A0
Christoph Loibl
c@tix.at=C2=A0| CL8-RIPE = | PGP-Key-ID:=C2=A00x4B2C0055 |=C2=A0http://www.nextlayer.at

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On 09.05.2019, at 21:10, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> w= rote:

=C2=A0

Hey Jakob,

=C2=A0

I am assuming he is using MPLS fabric for a reason .= .. One most likely reason could be L3VPN :) Otherwise what would be the poi= nt to use MPLS to start with ? Basic hierarchical routing ? And even for L3= VPN MPLS in transport layer. It is also not needed for isolating underlay from overlay tenants routes.=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0

Regardless as you know RTs do apply for any SAFI not= just 128.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The only point is sort of automation to router_id fi= ltering ... I guess an implementation can support it for any SAFI as well w= ith an extra knob. That would not be specific to flow-spec by just a vendor= 's local enhancement.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

As you know FlowSpec's main role was to prevent = DDoS. With that you never know on which ASBR your distributed attacks arriv= e so pushing filters to only subset of them is a questionable. If you have = 10s or 100s of ASBRs you would need now to apply long list of matching RTs.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The solution is not backwards compatible as current = routers unless upgraded with new knob would accept all filters anyway. I ho= pe no one wants this to be active by default as it would kill RFC5575 and t= urn FlowSpec to NetConf.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

If you want to limit the filters only to ASBRs maybe= some more generic RT needs to be defined - say "apply only on EBGP sp= eakers" ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Overall abuse of FlowSpec seems to continue. P2MP di= stributed nature of BGP propagation keeps being used as P2P config push pro= tocol. I am just not sure when such use cases will stop popping up left and= right.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best,

R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:52 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz)= <jheitz@cisco.com= > wrote:

Robert,

=C2=A0

Section 8 applies to VP= Nv4 flow spec.

=C2=A0

I see two differences i= n Ercin's proposal.

First, it is for IP Flo= w Spec, rather than for VPN

Second, the IPv4 addres= s in the RT matches with the router-id.<= u>

This avoids the require= ment to allocate and manage another identifier to match the RT.

that is an operational = advantage.

=C2=A0

I support Ercin's p= roposal.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Jakob.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:38 AM
To: ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr>
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:04 PM = ERCIN TORUN <ercin.torun@turkcell.com.tr> wrote:

Hello All,

=C2=A0

My name is Ercin T= ORUN and I=E2=80=99m working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed cu= stomer, +digital services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer.=C2=A0 I= would like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14.

=C2=A0

By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are appl= ied to all routers, and unnecessary application of many filters can easily = owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the edges with solutions like seamless-mpl= s or leaf-spine next-generation DC topologies which widens the layer3 domai= n easily over thousands of devices. It is best to filter =E2=80=9Cdirty=E2= =80=9D traffic where it first enters a network. There are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like def= ining a community for each router and configuring policies, but an automate= d way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is using a r= oute-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targeted router might accept the announcement.

=C2=A0

All in all, I propose to add below text to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C=C2=A0=C2=A0 In a common use case, i= t is necessary to apply a filter to one or a few

=C2=A0=C2=A0 routers and to apply many differ= ent filters to many different routers.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 By default, all filters are appl= ied to all routers. In this use case,=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the unnecessary application of t= he many filters can easily overwhelm<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the capacity of the routers. To = simplify this use case,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0route-targets may be used to app= ly the filters to only the needed routers:

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If one or more IPv4-Address-Spec= ific route-targets are present, then<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the IPv4 address of at least one= route-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 target MUST match one of the BGP= Identifiers of the receiver in order=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 for the update to be accepted.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0

Regards

Er=C3=A7in TORUN



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How do you know that the node accepts such SID? How do you know there is no SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated SIDs (I assume by sending your new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is nowhere stated in the draft) etc ... BGP is the worst mechanism for config push I can think of. Just use any other freely available tools say as example - ansible or chef and you will be much better off with such level of network automation. In your DC use case such tools are already heavily used so it will make it even more consistent with existing DC operation. Best, R. On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen wrote: > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > My explanations are inline below with prefix [HC2]. > > > > Best Regards, > > Huaimo > > *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM > *To:* Huaimo Chen ; Susan Hares = ; > 'li zhenqiang' ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < > draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> > *Subject:* RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Huaimo, > > > > Please check inline below for my responses. > > > > *From:* Huaimo Chen > *Sent:* 06 May 2019 20:35 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Susan Hares < > shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < > draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> > *Subject:* RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > My answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC]. > > > > Best Regards, > > Huaimo > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM > *To:* Susan Hares ; 'li zhenqiang' < > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < > draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Sue/All, > > > > I concur with Zhengquiang on the point that this draft proposes extension > to BGP-LS which alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS as stated in RFC7752. > BGP-LS is about reporting topology and related information from the netwo= rk > =E2=80=93 the advertisements originating from routers/BGP Speakers and be= ing used > by BGP-LS consumer applications (e.g. controller). It has never been abou= t > using it to provision routers from controllers =E2=80=93 at least not yet= . > > > > [HC]: Refer to the response to Zhenqiang=E2=80=99s email. > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gIMSFeL0rmNjJy-3ySd1ygyOzyo > > *[KT] I have just responded to that.* > > > > I had expressed these concerns at the mike at the IDR meeting in Prague i= n > the context of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocation and this draft is i= ts > equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=E2=80=99t think the WG should adopt either = drafts. > > > > The WG needs to think long and hard if we want to use BGP as a > provisioning tool (I am aware we are using BGP for Flowspec and SR Polici= es > =E2=80=93 but one can argue that those are in some sense signalling based= on > computation/events by controllers). Here we are talking about pure play > configuration elements. We have other mechanisms being standardized at th= e > IETF for this purpose. We need to see strong arguments how provisioning > work flows (including day 0 bring up, failures, etc.) are handled and > handled better via BGP as opposed to mechanisms already > standardized/deployed. > > > > [HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute the > SIDs to their corresponding network elements, which is similar to > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy =E2=80=9CAdvertising Segment Rou= ting > Policies in BGP=E2=80=9D that uses BGP to distribute Segment Routing Poli= cies to > their corresponding network elements. > > *[KT] It is not. SR Policies are signalled based on various triggers from > controllers =E2=80=93 they are in that sense dynamic and changing. Also, = it is > being done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =E2=80=93 not BGP-LS.* > > [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from > controllers, they should be the same or similar. > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can be easily changed to use a ne= w > AFI/SAFI. > > > > As said in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, there are already a > number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP for this > purpose, it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the > Segment Routing Policies. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext describ= es > a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the SIDs. > > *[KT] SRGB and SIDs are fundamental for enabling SR on the nodes in the > network. Most of these are day 0 provisioning when bringing/up and enable= d > SR. e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a SR Node SI= D > to it. This is not same as SR Policies.* > > [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from > controllers, they should be the same or similar. In case of > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, the instructions for SR > tunnels/paths may be sent to network nodes from controllers. In case of > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext, the instructions for SIDs may be > sent to network nodes from controllers. > > > > I do not think that draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy want to use BGP as a pure > configuration tools. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP and > some advantages of BGP to make segment routing easier to operate and > maintain. For example, in a network using BGP, the operators of the netwo= rk > with segment routing may not need to deploy, operate and maintain PCEP > (another protocol) for sending the SIDs to the network elements from the > centralized controller. Thus using fewer protocols in a network may make > the OAM on the network easier. > > *[KT] If that is the argument for this draft, then please describe and > discuss how you propose to answer the technical response to my arguments > above (highlighted in red this time).* > > [HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy supports to send the > instructions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers. > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions > about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to other > mechanisms, draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an > alternative way in which the instructions about SR tunnels/paths are sent > to network nodes from controllers, draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ex= t > proposes an alternative way in which the instructions about SIDs are sent > to network nodes from controllers. Some users may like the alternative wa= ys > in some cases. > > > > It may also make the segment routing applicable to more networks. In a > network (such as a DC network) running BGP as the only routing protocol, > there is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any router of the network > to distribute the SIDs in the network. It may be hard to deploy or use > segment routing in this network. When BGP is extended to distribute the > SIDs to their corresponding network elements or routers, it may be easy f= or > us to deploy and use the segment routing in this network. For example, fo= r > a node SID allocated for a router by the centralized controller, the node > SID can be easily distributed to all the routers in the network through > BGP=E2=80=99s RR function. Thus, the segment routing can be easily applic= able to a > network with only BGP but without IGP. > > *[KT] This is not just about adding TLVs and distributing them via BGP-LS= . > If DC network is your primary use-case, then please describe in more > details. E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on the network node > when the BGP-LS session flaps?* > > [HC2]: DC network is one use case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal BGP > procedure should follow. > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for > allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment > routing? > > No. SID, SRGB and related SR configuration elements are crucial for SR > operations and have yang models defined for the same. Many of these are > initial and one-time kind of config objects at router bring up. They are > not suitable for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS. > > > > 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? > > No. > > > > 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? > > The flowspec aspect is separate and can be covered in a different draft. = I > don=E2=80=99t see the relation to SR SRGB and SID provisioning. > > > > 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? > > No. Not for this since it is attempting to take BGP-LS in a direction > which was not what it was intended for. > > > > 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? > > No. > > > > 6) Do you know of any early implementations? > > No. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Susan Hares > *Sent:* 24 April 2019 19:54 > *To:* 'li zhenqiang' ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < > draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Zhengquiang: > > > > > > This is a good question to raise during the adoption of an IDR draft. > > > > I hope that the authors of the draft and others will indicate why they > desire the BGP-LS method of allocating the SIDs. As you are aware, the > NETCONF based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the allocation. > BGP SHOULD run over an authenticated transport (MD5 or better yet TLS), b= ut > all BGP peers within a network may not run over the secure transport. > > > > > > > > As a WG member, I realize that each network makes choices on allocating > SIDs and their control path. Some of the reasons may not be able to be > disclosed on a public mailing list. However, it would be good for the > authors to provide some reasons =E2=80=9CWhy BGP-LS=E2=80=9D for allocati= on. > > > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *li zhenqiang > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 AM > *To:* Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Sue and All, > > > > Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. > > > > I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the > SIDs representing network resources as proposed in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.. > > > > However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, no= t > PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from networ= k, > other than configure network from a controller. > > > > Best Regards, > > Zhenqiang Li > ------------------------------ > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > *From:* Susan Hares > > *Date:* 2019-04-18 22:04 > > *To:* idr@ietf.org > > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - > 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the draft > at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/ > > > > In your comments, consider: > > > > 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs > for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segmen= t > routing? > > 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? > > 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow > redirection? > > 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? > > 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? > > 6) Do you know of any early implementations? > > > > By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John > and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing thi= s > WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing > BGP-LS drafts. > > > > If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon > adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the > process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me = or > John. > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000060f1b058884bfe1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0Huaimo,

> draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions about SIDs = to network nodes from controllers.=C2=A0=C2=A0

How do you know that the node accepts such SID?=C2=A0 How do you know the= re is no SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated SIDs (I assume by sendi= ng your new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is nowhere stated in the draft) = etc ...=C2=A0

BGP is the worst mechanism for confi= g push I can think of.=C2=A0

Just use any other fr= eely available tools say as example - ansible or chef and you will be much = better off with such level of network automation. In your DC use case such = tools are already heavily used so it will make it even more consistent with= existing DC operation.=C2=A0

Best,
R.


On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thank you for you= r comments.

My explanations a= re inline below with prefix [HC2].

=C2=A0<= /u>

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM
To: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhen= qiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enhan= ced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <dr= aft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

=C2=A0

Hi Huaimo,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below for my responses.=

=C2=A0

From: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>
Sent: 06 May 2019 20:35
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vp= n@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ie= tf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thank you for you= r comments.

My answers/explan= ations are inline below with prefix [HC].

=C2=A0<= /u>

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Idr [m= ailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM
To: Susan Hares <s= hares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vp= n@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

=C2=A0

Hi Sue/All,

=C2=A0

I concur with Zhengquiang on the point that this d= raft proposes extension to BGP-LS which alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS = as stated in RFC7752. BGP-LS is about reporting topology and related information fro= m the network =E2=80=93 the advertisements originating from routers/BGP Spe= akers and being used by BGP-LS consumer applications (e.g. controller). It = has never been about using it to provision routers from controllers =E2=80=93 at least not yet.<= /p>

=C2=A0

[HC]: Refer to the response t= o Zhenqiang=E2=80=99s email.

https://mailarchive.ietf.or= g/arch/msg/idr/gIMSFeL0rmNjJy-3ySd1ygyOzyo

[KT] I have just responded to that.

=C2=A0

I had expressed these concerns at the mike at the = IDR meeting in Prague in the context of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocat= ion and this draft is its equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=E2=80=99t think the WG sho= uld adopt either drafts.

=C2=A0

The WG needs to think long and hard if we want to = use BGP as a provisioning tool (I am aware we are using BGP for Flowspec an= d SR Policies =E2=80=93 but one can argue that those are in some sense signalling based = on computation/events by controllers). Here we are talking about pure play = configuration elements. We have other mechanisms being standardized at the = IETF for this purpose. We need to see strong arguments how provisioning = work flows (including day 0 bring up, failures, etc.) are handled and handl= ed better via BGP as opposed to mechanisms already standardized/deployed.

=C2=A0

[HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segmen= t-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute the SIDs to their corresponding net= work elements, which is similar to draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy =E2=80=9CAdve= rtising Segment Routing Policies in BGP=E2=80=9D that uses BGP to distribut= e Segment Routing Policies to their corresponding network elements.<= span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >

[KT] It is not. SR Policies are signalled ba= sed on various triggers from controllers =E2=80=93 they are in that sense d= ynamic and changing. Also, it is being done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =E2=80=93 not BGP-LS.=

[HC2]: In the sense of sendi= ng instructions to network nodes from controllers, they should be the same or similar. dra= ft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. draft-wu-id= r-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can be easily changed to use a new AFI/SAFI.

=C2=A0

As said in draft-ietf-idr-seg= ment-routing-te-policy, there are already a number of different mechanisms,= e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP for this purpose, it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to = distribute the Segment Routing Policies. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocatio= n-ext describes a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the SIDs.

[KT] SRGB and SIDs are fundamental for enabl= ing SR on the nodes in the network. Most of these are day 0 provisioning wh= en bringing/up and enabled SR. e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a= SR Node SID to it. This is not same as SR Policies.

[HC2]: In the sense of sendi= ng instructions to network nodes from controllers, they should be the same or similar. In = case of draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, the =C2=A0instructions fo= r SR tunnels/paths may be sent to network nodes from controllers. In case o= f draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext, the instructions for SIDs may be sent to network nodes from controllers. <= u>

=C2=A0

I do not think that draft-wu-= idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy= want to use BGP as a pure configuration tools. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext use= s BGP and some advantages of BGP to make segment routing easier to operate = and maintain. For example, in a network using BGP, the operators of the net= work with segment routing may not need to deploy, operate and maintain PCEP (another protocol) for sending t= he SIDs to the network elements from the centralized controller. Thus using= fewer protocols in a network may make the OAM on the network easier.

[KT] If that is the argument for this draft,= then please describe and discuss how you propose to answer the technical r= esponse to my arguments above (highlighted in red this time).=

[HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy sup= ports to send the instructions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers.= draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions = about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to other mechanisms= , draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an alternative way in which the instructions about SR tunnels/pat= hs are sent to network nodes from controllers, draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-all= ocation-ext proposes an alternative way in which the instructions about SID= s are sent to network nodes from controllers. Some users may like the alternative ways in some cases.

=C2=A0

It may also make the segment = routing applicable to more networks. In a network (such as a DC network) ru= nning BGP as the only routing protocol, there is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any= router of the network to distribute the SIDs in the network. It may be har= d to deploy or use segment routing in this network. When BGP is extended to= distribute the SIDs to their corresponding network elements or routers, it may be easy for us to deploy and use the s= egment routing in this network. For example, for a node SID allocated for a= router by the centralized controller, the node SID can be easily distribut= ed to all the routers in the network through BGP=E2=80=99s RR function. Thus, the segment routing can be easily= applicable to a network with only BGP but without IGP.

[KT] This is not just about adding TLVs and = distributing them via BGP-LS. If DC network is your primary use-case, then = please describe in more details. E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on th= e network node when the BGP-LS session flaps?<= /p>

[HC2]: DC network is one use= case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal BGP procedure should follow. =

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

1)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft mechanisms for =C2=A0extending BGP-LS = to provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanis= ms for segment routing?

No. SID, SRGB and related SR configuration elements = are crucial for SR operations and have yang models defined for the same. Ma= ny of these are initial and one-time kind of config objects at router bring= up. They are not suitable for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS.

=C2=A0

2)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG= draft?=C2=A0 =C2=A0

No.

=C2=A0

3)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection?

The flowspec aspect is separate and can be covered i= n a different draft. I don=E2=80=99t see the relation to SR SRGB and SID pr= ovisioning.

=C2=A0

4)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you support extending BGP-LS?

No. Not for this since it is attempting to take BGP-= LS in a direction which was not what it was intended for.

=C2=A0

5)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Should we provide an early allocation for this technol= ogy?

No.

=C2=A0

6)=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any early implementations?

No.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 24 April 2019 19:54
To: 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vp= n@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

=C2=A0

Zhengquiang:

=C2=A0

<wg-chair hat on>

This is a good question to raise during the = adoption of an IDR draft.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

I hope that the authors of the draft and oth= ers will indicate why they desire the BGP-LS method of allocating the SIDs.= =C2=A0 As you are aware, the NETCONF based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the allocation.=C2=A0 BGP SHOULD run ove= r an authenticated transport (MD5 or better yet TLS), but all BGP peers wit= hin a network may not run over the secure transport.

<wg-chair hat off>

=C2=A0

<wg-member hat on>

As a WG member, I realize that each network = makes choices on allocating SIDs and their control path. =C2=A0=C2=A0Some o= f the reasons may not be able to be disclosed on a public mailing list.=C2=A0 However, it would be good for the authors to = provide some reasons =E2=80=9CWhy BGP-LS=E2=80=9D for allocation.

<wg-member hat off>

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Idr [ma= ilto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 AM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf= .org
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

=C2=A0

Hi Sue and All,

=C2=A0

Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

I see the value to allocate SID= s in a centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resour= ces as proposed in=C2=A0https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/..

=C2=A0

However, I want to know why BGP= -LS is chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is main= ly used to collect information from network, other than configure network from a controller.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Zhenqiang Li

=C2=A0

From:= =C2=A0Susan Hares

Date:= =C2=A02019-04-18=C2=A022:04

To:= =C2= =A0idr@ietf.org=

Subject:=C2=A0[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-id= r-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.=C2=A0 You can access the draft at:

=C2=A0

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

=C2=A0

In your comments, consider:

=C2=A0

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft mechanisms for =C2=A0extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment = routing?

2)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?=C2=A0 = =C2=A0

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection?

4)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?

6)=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any early implementations?

=C2=A0

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call,= you will help John and I determine what issues need to be considered prior= to finalizing this WG draft. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

If enough people indicate that they wish an early all= ocation upon adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG ado= ption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please send= any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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There=E2=80=99s fundamental difference of what the 2 drafts are proposing= draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy is used to distribute policies t= hat augment reachabiity, which is clearly day 2 operation, creates epheme= ral state and is reasonably in scope of BGP draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext is used to configure devices, whi= ch is clearly a day 0 operation and hence creates operational state, whic= h is IMO is very much out of scope. How do you verify that operational state is the intended one (configurati= onal), e.g. SIDs distributed are accepted, instantiated, installed, etc=3F= How do you remove/change the state=3F What happens on reload=3F Cheers, Jeff On May 8, 2019, 6:09 PM -0700, Aijun Wang , = wrote: > Hi, Jeff: > > Actually, it is more acceptable to use BGP-LS to report the topology in= fo and use the PCEP to do the control work. But as described in this draf= t, there are situations that the network deployed only the BGP, then this= draft wants to find some solution to these scenarios.=C2=A0 I think such= capability is supplementary to the portfolio of provisioning tools. > > We have ever paid more attention to the NETCON=46/YANG for the configur= ation work. But as I knew, the implementations of these standardization Y= ANGs are not as ideal as we have imaged. =C2=A0The TLV extensions mechani= sm may be more optimistic to fulfill the newly requirements, as that done= in IGP, BGP and PCEP. > > > Best Regards. > > Aijun Wang > Network R&D and Operation Support Department > China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, C= hina. > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeff Tantsura =5Bmailto:jefftant.ietf=40gm= ail.com=5D > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5= 2:24 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lizhenbin; li zhenqiang; Susan Hares; idr=40= ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enh= anced-vpn > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-e= xt-02.txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > Hi, > > We shouldn=E2=80=99t be doing things just because we can... > Can we use BGP-LS for provisioning=3F - yes, we can.. Should we=3F =C2=A0= - We better not to, BGP is not a suitable technology to do the work propo= sed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mechanics built in and can=E2= =80=99t semantically validate the change made (as the opposite of for exa= mple PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference between distribution of= : reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (BGP does this opportunis= tically) and configuration (BGP is wrong tool). > In general - management plane is a much more suitable way to do so, net= conf as an example. > To Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management becomes an issue, opera= tional/derived states inconstancies at scale are not easy to troubleshoot= , and without single source of truth simply impossible. > > > Cheers, > Jeff > On May 7, 2019, 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) , w= rote: > > Hi Robin, Huaimo, > > I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs space= s. In the case of the =46low-Spec and SR TE Policy Address =46amilies, th= ese A=46s were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if= we are going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisi= oning, we should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. = One reason not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth for c= onfiguration. =C2=A0With each source one adds more complexity to the impl= ementations. > > As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation= relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. =46or = example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store=3F You could refe= rence Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of =46low-Spec data fr= om multiple sources as a good example. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > =46rom: Idr on behalf of Robin Li > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM > To: li zhenqiang , Susan Hares , IDR List > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn , draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt =5B= 4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > Hi Zhenqiang, > Please refer to my reply inline. > > Best Regards, > Zhenbin (Robin) > > =46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of li zhenqia= ng > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM > To: Susan Hares ; idr=40ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt =5B= 4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > Hi Sue and All, > > Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. > > I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for t= he SIDs representing network resources as proposed in=C2=A0https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and=C2=A0https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. > > However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf=3F BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. > =5BRobin=5D > 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization proces= s, inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to thi= nk about the other option. Just like topology collection, there existed t= he way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info from the = network, later BGP-LS was proposed. > 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Re= fer to PCECC work proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas= -pcecc-use-cases-02). But there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It i= s difficult to introduce one more control protocol which may increase the= complexity of network operation and maintenance. That is the reason why = we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the= possible complexity. > 3. =46or the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there = can be other way such as introducing a new A=46I/SA=46I, etc. But we thin= k the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect i= nfo of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it i= s only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the co= ntroller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BG= P-LS will be reused without any change. If use other ways, there has to d= efine some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the corresponding BGP= -LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We wou= ld like to solicit comments from BGPers. > > > > > Best Regards, > Zhenqiang Li > li=5Fzhenqiang=40hotmail.com > > > > =46rom:=C2=A0Susan Hares > > Date:=C2=A02019-04-18=C2=A022:04 > > To:=C2=A0idr=40ietf.org > > Subject:=C2=A0=5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.tx= t =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-al= location-ext-02.txt.=C2=A0 You can access the draft at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-= ext/ > > > > In your comments, consider: > > > > 1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft mechanisms for =C2=A0= extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addit= ion to BGP mechanisms for segment routing=3F > > 2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the mechanism well-formed enough = to adopted as a WG draft=3F > > 3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you see any problems with using t= hese IDs for flow redirection=3F > > 4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you support extending BGP-LS=3F > > 5)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should we provide an early allocatio= n for this technology=3F > > 6)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any early implementat= ions=3F > > > > By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help J= ohn and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing= this WG draft. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Your answer will help us increase the s= peed of processing BGP-LS drafts. > > > > If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon ado= ption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to h= elp speed up the process in IDR WG.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please send any thoughts = on these new methods to me or John. > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Idr mailing list > Idr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --5cd5d0e0_23f9c13c_4d59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi&=23160;Aijun,

philosophical part:&=23160;
=22As protocol designers, before we propose any cha= nges/additions(increasing complexity), we should always do trade-off anal= ysis (and if you haven=E2=80=99t found any, you haven=E2=80=99t looked we= ll enough :)) that should include full life cycle of the change you are p= roposing, in context of the draft discussed, at least - configuration/ope= ration/decommission.=22&=23160;

To also bring the comparison with&=23160;draft-ietf= -idr-segment-routing-te-policy.
There=E2=80=99s fundamental difference of what the = 2 drafts are proposing
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy is used to= distribute policies that augment reachabiity, which is clearly day 2 ope= ration, creates ephemeral state and is reasonably in scope of BGP
draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext is used to = configure devices, which is clearly a day 0 operation and hence creates o= perational state, which is IMO is very much out of scope.
How do you verify that operational state is the int= ended one (configurational), e.g. SIDs distributed are accepted, instanti= ated, installed, etc=3F How do you remove/change the state=3F
What happens on reload=3F&=23160;

Cheers,
Jeff
On May 8, 2019,= 6:09 PM -0700, Aijun Wang <wangaijun=40tsinghua.org.cn>, wrote:

Hi, Jeff:

&=23160;

Actually, it is more acceptable to use BGP= -LS to report the topology info and use the PCEP to do the control work. = But as described in this draft, there are situations that the network dep= loyed only the BGP, then this draft wants to find some solution to these = scenarios.&=23160; I think such capability is supplementary to the portfo= lio of provisioning tools.

&=23160;

We have ever paid more attention to the NE= TCON=46/YANG for the configuration work. But as I knew, the implementatio= ns of these standardization YANGs are not as ideal as we have imaged. &=23= 160;The TLV extensions mechanism may be more optimistic to fulfill the ne= wly requirements, as that done in IGP, BGP and PCEP.

&=23160;

&=23160;

Best Regards.

&=23160;

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research = Institute,Beijing, China.

&=23160;

=E5=8F= =91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeff Tantsura =5Bmailto:jefftant.ietf=40gmail.com=5D=
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6= =97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B4= 5=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 2:24
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4= =BA=BA: Lizhenbin; li zhenqiang; Susan = Hares; idr=40ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81= : draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-do= ng-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-= 02.txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

&=23160;

Hi,

&=23160;

We shouldn=E2=80=99t be doing things just because we can...

Can we use BGP-LS for provisioning=3F - yes, we can.. Should = we=3F &=23160;- We better not to, BGP is not a suitable technology to do = the work proposed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have proper feedback mechanics buil= t in and can=E2=80=99t semantically validate the change made (as the oppo= site of for example PCEP). There=E2=80=99s quite some difference between = distribution of: reachability (primarily job of BGP), policies (BGP does = this opportunistically) and configuration (BGP is wrong tool).

=

In general - management plane is a much more suitable way to = do so, netconf as an example.

To Acee=E2=80=99s point - life cycle management becomes an is= sue, operational/derived states inconstancies at scale are not easy to tr= oubleshoot, and without single source of truth simply impossible.<= /p>

&=23160;

&=23160;

Cheers,

Jeff

On May 7, 2019, 7:03 AM -0700, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40cisco.com>, wrote:

Hi Robin, Huaimo,

&=23160;

I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs = spaces. In the case of the =46low-Spec and SR TE Policy Address =46amilie= s, these A=46s were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. No= w, if we are going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include pr= ovisioning, we should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose= it. One reason not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth = for configuration. &=23160;With each source one adds more complexity to t= he implementations.

&=23160;

As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID alloc= ation relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. =46= or example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store=3F You could r= eference Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of =46low-Spec data= from multiple sources as a good example.

&=23160;

Thanks,

Acee=

&=23160;

&=23160;

=46rom: Idr &l= t;idr-bounces=40ietf.org> on behalf of Robin Li <lizhenbin=40huawei.com>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM
To: li zhenqiang <li=5Fzhenqiang=40hotmail.com>, Susan Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, IDR List <idr=40ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn=40ietf.org= >, draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn=40iet= f.org>
Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.= txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

&=23160;

Hi Zhenqiang,

Please refer to my reply inlin= e.

&=23160;

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

&=23160;

=46rom: Idr =5Bmai= lto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <share= s=40ndzh.com>; idr=40ietf.or= g
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn=40ietf.org= >; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn=40iet= f.org>
Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.= txt =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

&=23160;

Hi Sue = and All,

&=23160= ;

Zhenqia= ng Li from China Mobile.&=23160;

&=23160= ;

I see t= he value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the SIDs r= epresenting network resources as proposed in&=23160;https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and&=23160;ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.

&=23160= ;

However= , I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP = or netconf=3F BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from network, = other than configure network from a controller.

=5BRobin=5D

1. To be honest, there is much= concern about the standardization process, inter-operability, performanc= e on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to think about the other option. Just = like topology collection, there existed the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netcon= f/YANG to collect topology info from the network, later BGP-LS was propos= ed.

2. There is already PCE work t= o allocate SID in the centralized way (Refer to PCECC work proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). = But there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introdu= ce one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network= operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP = extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity.<= /span>

3. =46or the possible methods = of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can be other way such as introdu= cing a new A=46I/SA=46I, etc. But we think the BGP-LS extension may be th= e easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info of all kinds of SIDs from th= e network devices to the controller, it is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV t= o indicate the SID allocation from the controller to the network devices.= All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BGP-LS will be reused without any = change. If use other ways, there has to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or = the transition from the corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs= /Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We would like to solicit comments from= BGPers.

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Best Re= gards,

Zhenqia= ng Li

&=23160= ;

=46rom:= &=23160;Susan Hares=

Date:&=23160;2019-04-18&=23160;22:04

To:&=23160;idr=40ietf.org

Subject= :&=23160;=5BIdr=5D draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt= =5B4/18 - 5/2/2019=5D - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption cal= l for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.&=23160; You can acc= ess the draft at:<= /span>

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https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

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In your comments, consider:

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1)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Does this= draft mechanisms for &=23160;extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocat= ion provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment routing=3F= =

2)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Is the me= chanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft=3F&=23160; &=23160;

3)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you se= e any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection=3F

4)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you su= pport extending BGP-LS=3F

5)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Should we= provide an early allocation for this technology=3F

6)&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160;&=23160; Do you kn= ow of any early implementations=3F

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By answering these questions during = WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determine what issues need to = be considered prior to finalizing this WG draft. &=23160;&=23160;&=23160;= Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.&= =23160; &=23160;

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If enough people indicate that they = wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then send this early alloc= ation to Alvaro. &=23160;

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Sue Hares

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PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new = methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in IDR WG.&=231= 60; &=23160;Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.<= /span>

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-0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 05:45:40 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just editorial stuff... Throughout: “i.e.” needs a comma after it. So does “e.g.”. — Section 1 — SR can be directly applied to either an MPLS dataplane (SR/MPLS) with no change on the forwarding plane or to a modified IPv6 forwarding Make it “either to” so it’s parallel with the “or to” that comes later. centralized controller based BGP Egress Peer Engineering solution involving SR path computation using the BGP Peering Segments. This use-case comprises of a centralized controller that learns the BGP “Centralized-controller-based” is a compound adjective that needs to be hyphenated. “Use case” is a noun, and should not be hyphenated. And “comprises” should not have “of” after it (“consists of” would, though). From nobody Tue May 14 21:29:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B6C12001E; Tue, 14 May 2019 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@ietf.org, Susan Hares , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com, idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Roach Message-ID: <155789455225.30258.10205074715394770553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 21:29:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 04:29:12 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the work that everyone involved has put into this document. I have only two minor editorial comments. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §1: > This > use-case comprises of a centralized controller that learns the BGP Nit: "This use case is composed of a centralized controller..." or "This use case comprises a centralized controller..." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §3: > his section describes the BGP-LS NLRI encodings that describe the BGP > peering and link connectivity between BGP routers. Nit: "This section..." 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Ketan, thanks for your response. I entered = a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Apr 8, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Joel, >=20 > Thanks for your review. I've taken note of the nit that you pointed = out (it was also pointed by Alvaro on his review of v18). I have it in = my edit buffer and will include in the next update. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Halpern via Datatracker =20 > Sent: 07 April 2019 08:22 > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe.all@ietf.org; = ietf@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18 >=20 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area = Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the = IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review Date: 2019-04-06 > IETF LC End Date: 2019-04-17 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard = RFC. >=20 > Major issues: N/A >=20 > Minor issues: N/A >=20 > Nits/editorial comments:=20 > Section 3 begins "his section". I expect that should be "This = section". >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Wed May 15 14:11:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5265D1200FE for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5ikcU9IC6Jz for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ABA1200FB for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BBA321E2D8; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:12:20 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: ERCIN TORUN Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190515211220.GC2207@pfrc.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] update proposal to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:11:52 -0000 Erçin, On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 12:02:42PM +0000, ERCIN TORUN wrote: > Hello All, > > My name is Ercin TORUN and I’m working in Turkcell Turkey (35M-mobile/2M-fixed customer, +digital services) as an IP/MPLS Network Planning Engineer. I would like to propose an update to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14. > > By default all flowspec entries (filters..) are applied to all routers, and unnecessary application of many filters can easily owerwhelm the capacity of routers resources (e.g. TCAM). We are pushing layer3 to the edges with solutions like seamless-mpls or leaf-spine next-generation DC topologies which widens the layer3 domain easily over thousands of devices. It is best to filter “dirty” traffic where it first enters a network. There are ways to accept BGP announcements only on the targeted router, like defining a community for each router and configuring policies, but an automated way would be much more easier and less error-prone. Our idea is using a route-taget to match with BGP Identifier so that only the targeted router might accept the announcement. You may find the following draft (expired - sorry... we need to fix it) of interest: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset-04 -- Jeff From nobody Wed May 15 14:15:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE70C120021; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7fdp6ruEgEI; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E582120106; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 688071E2D8; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:16:13 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: John Scudder Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org" , Hares Susan Message-ID: <20190515211612.GD2207@pfrc.org> References: <3ECFE192-B04B-4C1F-89F0-812D4ADC68C0@juniper.net> <00df01d4febe$87886010$96992030$@ndzh.com> <75EAFF05-B772-43F3-9E44-16A5E85A8F7A@juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <75EAFF05-B772-43F3-9E44-16A5E85A8F7A@juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Update on advancement of rfc5575bis draft, implementations X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:15:44 -0000 John, On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 09:24:20PM +0000, John Scudder wrote: > I’ll add with my co-chair hat off and individual contributor hat on, to my way of thinking I would always choose FCFS over IETF Review, because it provides all the same benefits with less overhead. I guess you can argue that an “IETF Review” code point does benefit from the eponymous IETF Review, but practically speaking since we are at the point where WGLC has been completed and we’re virtually ready to advance the document, the review applied in either case will be exactly the same. So, if implementors are ready to go, they can have a code point before the end of the week with FCFS, whereas it will be longer than that if we do IETF Review/Early Allocation. While I'm generally sympathetic to your point about FCFS being the faster of the two, we're so close to being out the door on the RFC that IETF Review with early allocation would be fine. We might as well use it, or otherwise just get reclassify it as FCFS as well. :-) -- Jeff From nobody Wed May 15 14:21:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E313D1200FB; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W_-J2CAg3gy5; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436451200A2; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BB3E41E2D8; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:22:22 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: John Scudder Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190515212221.GE2207@pfrc.org> References: <3ECFE192-B04B-4C1F-89F0-812D4ADC68C0@juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3ECFE192-B04B-4C1F-89F0-812D4ADC68C0@juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Update on advancement of rfc5575bis draft, implementations X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:21:54 -0000 John, On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 09:14:39PM +0000, John Scudder wrote: > Tl;dr: rfc5575bis is almost ready to advance but is missing implementation of two features. It also needs a code point, which is available from a FCFS registry, so easily acquired. Unless there’s strong support to waive the WG’s implementation requirement, we’ll hold on advancing it for now. Details below. > > > Hi All, > > I’ve just finished reviewing the document shepherd’s writeup (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/shepherdwriteup/) and Implementation report (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-rfc5575bis%20implementations) for draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14. I’d like to thank all those who contributed to the very helpful and readable implementation report. I see two issues I want to discuss in the WG. > > First, the implementation report line item for whether the implementation supports "Error-Handling and Future NLRI Extensions” is answered “no” across the board, though the Junos report does note that "As of Junos 19.1, unknown NLRI component types may result in session reset. Work is in progress to conform to 5575-bis behavior”. > > I would like the WG to discuss whether to wait until we have reports of implementations of the behavior before we progress the document, or whether to progress it without implementation. For reference, what’s being referred to is section 11: > > In case BGP encounters an error in a Flow Specification UPDATE > message it SHOULD treat this message as Treat-as-withdraw according > to [RFC7606] Section 2 > . I'll note that this is SHOULD. At the moment, neither do. However, much of the reason for our work on the -bis was to fix behaviors we knew were broken. While pedantically the implementations are compliant (they do not, even though it's strongly recommended), future implementations and existing implementations in the future would eventually converge to the desired behavior, IMO. > Second, the implementation report line item for "Traffic Rate in Packets” is "pending IANA cp assignment” across the board, with the annotation "note that without the IANA allocation, all implementations cannot comply with this specification”. > > Again, I would like the WG to decide whether to wait until we have implementation to proceed, or whether to proceed without implementation. IMO, implementations are free to ignore actions even when supported. (E.g. for security reasons.) The feature is useful and will likely show up in the near future. I believe we should ship the RFC with the known compliance points expected to be resolved in implementations in the (hopefully) near future. [1] -- Jeff [1] It's not as if we've never shipping something that had long standing issues. There's a reason I tend to bring up discussion about ATOMIC_AGGREGATE as part of my BGP history lessons. From nobody Wed May 15 14:50:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992851200A2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aEmTP8rh1Dcr for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCC0120021 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 21BC51E2D8; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:50:38 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Cc: 'Job Snijders' , idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190515215038.GF2207@pfrc.org> References: <20190429225941.GD96687@vurt.meerval.net> <00c101d4ff50$00270210$00750630$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00c101d4ff50$00270210$00750630$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] request for WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:50:09 -0000 Sue, On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 08:26:55AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > We can start the WG Last call on 5/2 (when our current sequence of WG > adoption calls is complete). In preparation, please update the idr wiki > page with the implementation reports at the particular location. > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis I've completed the Junos implementation report. We have internal defect reports open for the SHOULD items. We intend to be fully conformant to those in an upcoming release, but support the MUSTs in a shipping release. -- Jeff From nobody Wed May 15 15:13:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D321200FB; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3i7gpp8QriLW; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E8C9120047; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4124893; Wed, 15 May 2019 18:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 May 2019 18:13:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=My/VzqmoemzOyJ3Fs25UM+CbzPy3xTZPwnGlXzNYK Jw=; b=MzpFl47L0O6eyauMSujct/+CD2DrLSYuYuxCjOKaS8/xP7X6xBiNhsT+I 4IX+X84W04wxr35ncXRDM8Knfx8g5pGhxTc0rZQTmU04Rtw996+9OTg6K62MUPcU NlP8f+Qwe70MArT4syNPk7LeVVf7/EoiBQNFMepR2NHHlgOSE912isqxY1a4TrO4 Yx34OhgPzcVAeKYOjVyltQxFIF2As5TLGFGsrXDpywEchH0XS8syKcvMzcdu+wgy /XtuGMkvOuHX2YrU64oJSHxaKBzoSPwfrln39HKG2ySz1y8pb5grv2/n6OiCYUTe +Z8ogMx6CH9XB+YbnnoopTpf7RXEA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrleelgddthecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefhvfhfjgfufffkgggtgffothesthhqghdtvddtjeenucfhrhhomhepoehruhhs shesrhhifidruhhsqeenucfkphepudeivddrvddvledrudektddrjeejnecurfgrrhgrmh epmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehruhhsshesrhhifidruhhsnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgep ud X-ME-Proxy: Received: from RussPC (162-229-180-77.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net [162.229.180.77]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9E020103CB; Wed, 15 May 2019 18:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "'Susan Hares'" , "'Alvaro Retana'" Cc: , , , References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B33E27F@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> <005701d500e0$fe5f9950$fb1ecbf0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <005701d500e0$fe5f9950$fb1ecbf0$@ndzh.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: <065a01d50b6b$5d682450$18386cf0$@riw.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQLwizzIPZNvq12rx7rT1Vjxn5nk+QLOzUgrAvNkDmwA9dp29wF9SFXqAy2twH4B2uw7iwMe5A9Xo7LZlMA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBbSTJuc2ZdIOetlOWkjTogW0lQc2VjXSB1c2lu?= =?utf-8?q?g_BGP_signaling_to_achieve_IPsec_Tunnel_configuration_=28draft-?= =?utf-8?q?hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=29=3A_potential_conflict_with_the_I2NSF=27s?= =?utf-8?q?_Controller_facilitated_IPsec_configuration?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 22:13:07 -0000 > Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels? Do you want to talk > as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF chairs? I didn't see an answer to this -- did I miss the meeting setup? =F0=9F=98=8A /r From nobody Thu May 16 00:42:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450951200E6 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 00:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=arista.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IbmfV9YG8h64 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56AAF120047 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id r10so2563020otd.4 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=arista.com; s=googlenew; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z/HSCrILJ8LohNRhnbFDleOQAW0Lm8+WoQBz5piqM6k=; b=TKRqOlrjDSDpUJzarSOMl4JlYlqvMiOVUU8Fm0OKmooPBW23sJULQJR3jMiEOIk72R ku2LOCyp9LEZuqzOqnhH0GZGlACiXCZf7VQXDmmfarQeAzihBqnRbjanpy/0zkm8v1v0 eW6SaN4EED+mf07H+ZP68C9OAgF8p7ZlW5nH7JZjY0AUDwoNCIcaC3rX1tgWn7rkuu2s KajvE3rGBJF6t7a+GrjuozPmYVXI+fbuu091uHfKHyDlupL5EpJr1CQtSFVcaKi3Fjxf 2S1k7Pq+vYmqF0poop6Uj5yIV9B+UCs+uH7ihyrfW/4XHaLzM7BKFMnBJ24VvFEhc0/V GpLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z/HSCrILJ8LohNRhnbFDleOQAW0Lm8+WoQBz5piqM6k=; b=IjyLZ9y2VmhHSb8XGtulEb5ZjPGLJNw83XZviW4SAyStFWfznAgYyBOykjoUQ8OZ80 PsHD85ofoEodj+Xiu/ABqRnldGJVTgu/X9PzaWhoEKZJK0rUnY6JQAuYjYS439gdBzKM 04zEbyukTVNK4LepjMdyJeq+vrZAvrVWxrCeBIyO8wMgzvFQfRVlnd2cGq0MM3sCONIo dAD5sQvAbuNwPIopfPXdzROwWIpDElAfviyFYUXsTWSgkOG8Je5qmSEVVUFwnRlMFTsR 6jKOsp+fzlkjLP2ONglRHS+1IV5X/R1YXMiKArSBoMQkMg4CdyYRctjY2lxdkv4aDpbK lm4w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVbFrVtMvpXhJVm16OJLNtiLY1bHgF3Uhu+hDDg+SnmhG69yKBj VSOGmN1PJ3v7hTTlXdToG64npPLK17ODFBcNhSHVxQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqycRqy8h35W5CnsqnkzV4OMzGVK+Uy9MgHYb+OTQXMwNmb0o8d0xnJIs5sDng3dtNguQ6Ms3hFDPlrfxaybuBU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5a14:: with SMTP id v20mr4994721oth.342.1557992570457; Thu, 16 May 2019 00:42:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nandan Saha Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:12:39 +0530 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Paul Mattes , Przemyslaw Krol Cc: idr@ietf.org, Manoharan Sundaramoorthy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] [draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy] Error handling for Explicit NULL Label Policy Sub-TLV X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 07:42:53 -0000 Hi folks, There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1]. There are 2 things that need to be clarified:- 1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once: For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once. 2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >= 5. The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference is to 2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) and 2.b: Upon receipt ENLP = 0 || >=5 the headend call fall back to local policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >= 5 as illegal, we can do TAW) Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable. [1] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.4 [2] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.5 Thanks, Nandan From nobody Thu May 16 01:06:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0F41200E6 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 01:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 277RBm64r6pp for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 01:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.turkcell.com.tr (smtp1.turkcell.com.tr 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IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@ietf.org, Susan Hares , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com, idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: <155799493277.19716.15836404472193017936.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 01:22:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 08:22:13 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, thanks for this document. I only have a minor comment: Throughout the document, PeerNode SID, PeerAdj SID and PeerSet SID are used but the IANA section and existing registry use Peer-Node-SID, Peer-Adj-SID, Peer-Set-SID. Although there can't be any confusion, it might be worth having a single naming. From nobody Thu May 16 02:00:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D74120222; Thu, 16 May 2019 02:00:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155799721364.19827.2890129221080695390@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 02:00:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 09:00:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP-LS extensions for Segment Routing BGP Egress Peer Engineering Authors : Stefano Previdi Ketan Talaulikar Clarence Filsfils Keyur Patel Saikat Ray Jie Dong Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-05-16 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages source routing. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. SR segments allow steering a flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node of the SR domain. This document describes an extension to BGP Link-State (BGP-LS) for advertisement of BGP Peering Segments along with their BGP peering node information so that efficient BGP Egress Peer Engineering (EPE) policies and strategies can be computed based on Segment Routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.22, xch-aln-012.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 09:09:13 -0000 Hi Alissa/Joel, Thanks for your review. I've accepted and updated the draft for Joel's edit= orial comment below. A v19 of the draft has just been posted which includes these changes along = with others that I had pending in my buffer from Alvaro's AD review and oth= er IESG last call reviews. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19=20 Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Alissa Cooper =20 Sent: 15 May 2019 20:58 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Joel Halpern Cc: gen-art@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe.all@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segm= ent-routing-epe-18 Joel, thanks for your review. Ketan, thanks for your response. I entered a = No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Apr 8, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Joel, >=20 > Thanks for your review. I've taken note of the nit that you pointed out (= it was also pointed by Alvaro on his review of v18). I have it in my edit b= uffer and will include in the next update. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Halpern via Datatracker =20 > Sent: 07 April 2019 08:22 > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe.all@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org;= idr@ietf.org > Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-= epe-18 >=20 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Revie= w Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for= the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call= comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review Date: 2019-04-06 > IETF LC End Date: 2019-04-17 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard RF= C. >=20 > Major issues: N/A >=20 > Minor issues: N/A >=20 > Nits/editorial comments:=20 > Section 3 begins "his section". 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:51:13 -0000 Thanks, Ketan! Barry On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 5:08 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > > Hi Barry, > > Thanks for your review. I've accepted and updated the draft for all your = editorial comments below. > > A v19 of the draft has just been posted which includes these changes alon= g with others that I had pending in my buffer from Alvaro's AD review and o= ther IESG last call reviews. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 > > Thanks, > Ketan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker > Sent: 14 May 2019 11:16 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@ietf.org; Susan Hares ; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; idr-chairs@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routi= ng-epe-18: (with COMMENT) > > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-18: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all ema= il addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introd= uctory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe= / > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Just editorial stuff... > > Throughout: =E2=80=9Ci.e.=E2=80=9D needs a comma after it. 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It's clear and consistent with other similar cases In terms of ENLP = 0 || >=5 (2), my concern regarding 2b (fallback to static) is that there may be multiple instances of BGP policy (different advertisers) with the same or lower preference and valid ENLP values. Failing back to static would basically skip those BGP policies and "bypass" policy selection. I suspect it's undesirable. For this reason, treating it as reserved (2a) sounds to me like a better option. Unless you really meant ignoring offending policy and moving to the next one (which can be static or BGP, depending on the selection algo), but regardless, 2a) seems safer and less disruptive in the future (if/when we need ENLP >=5 ). thanks, pk On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:42 AM Nandan Saha wrote: > Hi folks, > There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1]. > > There are 2 things that need to be clarified:- > > 1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once: > For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy > priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one > occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once. > > 2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >= 5. > The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference is to > 2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them > illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) > and > 2.b: Upon receipt ENLP = 0 || >=5 the headend call fall back to local > policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >= 5 as illegal, we > can do TAW) > > Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable. > > [1] - > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.4 > [2] - > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.5 > > Thanks, > Nandan > -- Przemyslaw "PK" Krol | Strategic Network Engineer ing | pkrol@google.com --000000000000ea35500589190366 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nandan,

I personally agree with = your proposal for handling multiple ENLP sub-TLV (1). It's clear and co= nsistent with other similar cases

In terms of ENLP= =3D 0 || >=3D5 (2), my concern regarding 2b (fallback to static) is tha= t there may be multiple instances of BGP=C2=A0policy (different advertisers= ) with the same or lower preference and valid ENLP values. Failing back to = static would basically skip those BGP policies and "bypass" polic= y selection. I suspect it's undesirable. For this reason, treating it a= s reserved (2a) sounds to me like a better option. Unless you really meant = ignoring offending policy and moving to the next one (which can be static o= r BGP, depending on the selection algo), but regardless, 2a) seems safer an= d less disruptive in the future (if/when we need ENLP >=3D5 ).


thanks,
pk

On Thu, May 16, 20= 19 at 12:42 AM Nandan Saha <nandan@= arista.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
=C2=A0There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1].

There are 2 things that need to be clarified:-

1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once:
=C2=A0 For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy
priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one
occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once.

2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >=3D 5.
=C2=A0 The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference = is to
2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them
illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) and
2.b: Upon receipt ENLP =3D 0 || >=3D5 the headend call fall back to loca= l
policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >=3D 5 as illegal, we can do TAW)

Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable.

[1] - https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.= 4
[2] - https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.= 5

Thanks,
Nandan


--
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Przemyslaw "PK" Krol |=C2=A0Strategic Network Engineering |=C2=A0pkrol@go= ogle.com=C2=A0
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Thanks for clarification and apologies for my irrelevant comment then. FWIW, I support your proposal to consider these values as reserved and fallback to local poli..., erm, behavior defined by config :-) pk On Fri, May 17, 2019, 17:09 Manoharan Sundaramoorthy wrote: > Hi Pk, > > In 2(b) we meant, "For values 0 and 5-255, treat as if the Sub-TLV was not > received and take default ENLP action that is configured locally" (or) "if > these values are to be treated as illegal, then do TAW". > > Thanks, > Mano > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:20 PM Przemyslaw Krol wrote: > >> Hi Nandan, >> >> I personally agree with your proposal for handling multiple ENLP sub-TLV >> (1). It's clear and consistent with other similar cases >> >> In terms of ENLP = 0 || >=5 (2), my concern regarding 2b (fallback to >> static) is that there may be multiple instances of BGP policy (different >> advertisers) with the same or lower preference and valid ENLP values. >> Failing back to static would basically skip those BGP policies and "bypass" >> policy selection. I suspect it's undesirable. For this reason, treating it >> as reserved (2a) sounds to me like a better option. Unless you really meant >> ignoring offending policy and moving to the next one (which can be static >> or BGP, depending on the selection algo), but regardless, 2a) seems safer >> and less disruptive in the future (if/when we need ENLP >=5 ). >> >> >> thanks, >> pk >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:42 AM Nandan Saha wrote: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in >>> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1]. >>> >>> There are 2 things that need to be clarified:- >>> >>> 1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once: >>> For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy >>> priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one >>> occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once. >>> >>> 2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >= 5. >>> The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference is >>> to >>> 2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them >>> illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) >>> and >>> 2.b: Upon receipt ENLP = 0 || >=5 the headend call fall back to local >>> policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >= 5 as illegal, we >>> can do TAW) >>> >>> Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable. >>> >>> [1] - >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.4 >>> [2] - >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.5 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nandan >>> >> >> >> -- >> Przemyslaw "PK" Krol | Strategic Network Engineer ing | pkrol@google.com >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Manoharan > --0000000000006aa04605891fda06 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mano,

Oh,= I see. Thanks for clarification and apologies for my irrelevant comment th= en.
FWIW, I support your proposal to consider these = values as reserved and fallback to local poli..., erm, behavior defined by = config :-)

pk
=C2=A0



On Fri, May= 17, 2019, 17:09 Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com> wrote:
Hi Pk,

In 2(b) we meant, = "For values 0 and 5-255, treat as if the Sub-TLV was not received and = take default ENLP action that is configured locally" (or) "if the= se values are to be treated as illegal, then do TAW".

Thanks,
Mano

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:20 PM Przem= yslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com> wrote:
Hi Nandan,

=
I personally agree with your proposal for handling multiple ENLP sub-T= LV (1). It's clear and consistent with other similar cases
In terms of ENLP =3D 0 || >=3D5 (2), my concern regarding 2= b (fallback to static) is that there may be multiple instances of BGP=C2=A0= policy (different advertisers) with the same or lower preference and valid = ENLP values. Failing back to static would basically skip those BGP policies= and "bypass" policy selection. I suspect it's undesirable. F= or this reason, treating it as reserved (2a) sounds to me like a better opt= ion. Unless you really meant ignoring offending policy and moving to the ne= xt one (which can be static or BGP, depending on the selection algo), but r= egardless, 2a) seems safer and less disruptive in the future (if/when we ne= ed ENLP >=3D5 ).


thanks,
pk

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:42 AM Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.co= m> wrote:
Hi folks,
=C2=A0There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1].

There are 2 things that need to be clarified:-

1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once:
=C2=A0 For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy
priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one
occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once.

2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >=3D 5.
=C2=A0 The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference = is to
2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them
illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) and
2.b: Upon receipt ENLP =3D 0 || >=3D5 the headend call fall back to loca= l
policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >=3D 5 as illegal, we can do TAW)

Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable.

[1] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#s= ection-2.4.4
[2] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#s= ection-2.4.5

Thanks,
Nandan


--
=
Przemysl= aw "PK" Krol |=C2=A0Strategic Network Engineering |=C2=A0pkrol@google.co= m=C2=A0
<= /div>


--
Thanks,Manoharan
--0000000000006aa04605891fda06-- From nobody Sun May 19 04:16:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB86120091; Sun, 19 May 2019 04:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char E2 hex): X-Spam-Report: ... fully agree with Jeffrey\342\200\231s comments. H[...] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AiBZK7lffIX5; Sun, 19 May 2019 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hated.at (mail.hated.at [IPv6:2001:858:2:8::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6B3E120089; Sun, 19 May 2019 04:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [185.56.12.142] (helo=[10.20.17.68]) by mail.hated.at with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1hSJiP-0001Co-LU; Sun, 19 May 2019 13:10:54 +0200 From: Christoph Loibl Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_98E00C05-E8C2-4085-BEDF-72426413CF50" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 11:15:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20190515212221.GE2207@pfrc.org> Cc: John Scudder , "draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" To: Jeffrey Haas References: <3ECFE192-B04B-4C1F-89F0-812D4ADC68C0@juniper.net> <20190515212221.GE2207@pfrc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Update on advancement of rfc5575bis draft, implementations X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 11:16:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_98E00C05-E8C2-4085-BEDF-72426413CF50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I fully agree with Jeffrey=E2=80=99s comments. However, I do not 100% understand the correct process regarding the = traffic-rate-packets code-point. If we want to assign it from the IETF = review code space do we need to ship the RFC first (if this is the case, = I sense a deadlock condition)? While we are sitting here waiting, Thomas merged my Github pull request = (treat-as-withdraw Section 11) into ExaBGP and I am only waiting for a = code-point to file another pull request for the traffic-rate-packets = action (commiting the source without a proper cp seems to be rather = unpopular ;-) =20 How can we proceed here? Cheers Christoph --=20 Christoph Loibl c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at > On 15.05.2019, at 21:22, Jeffrey Haas wrote: >=20 > John, >=20 > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 09:14:39PM +0000, John Scudder wrote: >> Tl;dr: rfc5575bis is almost ready to advance but is missing = implementation of two features. It also needs a code point, which is = available from a FCFS registry, so easily acquired. Unless there=E2=80=99s= strong support to waive the WG=E2=80=99s implementation requirement, = we=E2=80=99ll hold on advancing it for now. Details below. >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve just finished reviewing the document shepherd=E2=80=99s = writeup = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/shepherdwriteu= p/) and Implementation report = (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-rfc5575bis%20implementatio= ns) for draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14. I=E2=80=99d like to thank all = those who contributed to the very helpful and readable implementation = report. I see two issues I want to discuss in the WG. >>=20 >> First, the implementation report line item for whether the = implementation supports "Error-Handling and Future NLRI Extensions=E2=80=9D= is answered =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D across the board, though the Junos = report does note that "As of Junos 19.1, unknown NLRI component types = may result in session reset. Work is in progress to conform to 5575-bis = behavior=E2=80=9D.=20 >>=20 >> I would like the WG to discuss whether to wait until we have reports = of implementations of the behavior before we progress the document, or = whether to progress it without implementation. For reference, what=E2=80=99= s being referred to is section 11: >>=20 >> In case BGP encounters an error in a Flow Specification UPDATE >> message it SHOULD treat this message as Treat-as-withdraw according >> to [RFC7606] Section 2 >> . >=20 > I'll note that this is SHOULD. At the moment, neither do. However, = much of > the reason for our work on the -bis was to fix behaviors we knew were > broken. While pedantically the implementations are compliant (they do = not, > even though it's strongly recommended), future implementations and = existing > implementations in the future would eventually converge to the desired > behavior, IMO. >=20 >> Second, the implementation report line item for "Traffic Rate in = Packets=E2=80=9D is "pending IANA cp assignment=E2=80=9D across the = board, with the annotation "note that without the IANA allocation, all = implementations cannot comply with this specification=E2=80=9D.=20 >>=20 >> Again, I would like the WG to decide whether to wait until we have = implementation to proceed, or whether to proceed without implementation. >=20 > IMO, implementations are free to ignore actions even when supported. = (E.g. > for security reasons.) The feature is useful and will likely show up = in the > near future. >=20 > I believe we should ship the RFC with the known compliance points = expected > to be resolved in implementations in the (hopefully) near future. [1] >=20 > -- Jeff >=20 > [1] It's not as if we've never shipping something that had long = standing > issues. There's a reason I tend to bring up discussion about > ATOMIC_AGGREGATE as part of my BGP history lessons. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr = --Apple-Mail=_98E00C05-E8C2-4085-BEDF-72426413CF50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

I = fully agree with Jeffrey=E2=80=99s comments.

However, I do not 100% understand the = correct process regarding the traffic-rate-packets code-point. If we = want to assign it from the IETF review code space do we need to ship the = RFC first (if this is the case, I sense a deadlock condition)?

While we are sitting = here waiting, Thomas merged my Github pull request (treat-as-withdraw = Section 11) into ExaBGP and I am only waiting for a code-point to file = another pull request for the traffic-rate-packets action (commiting the = source without a proper cp seems to be rather unpopular ;-) =   

How= can we proceed here?

Cheers Christoph

-- 
Christoph Loibl
c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | = PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at



On 15.05.2019, at 21:22, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> = wrote:

John,
On Fri, Apr = 26, 2019 at 09:14:39PM +0000, John Scudder wrote:
Tl;dr: = rfc5575bis is almost ready to advance but is missing implementation of = two features. It also needs a code point, which is available from a FCFS = registry, so easily acquired. Unless there=E2=80=99s strong support to = waive the WG=E2=80=99s implementation requirement, we=E2=80=99ll hold on = advancing it for now. Details below.


Hi All,

I=E2=80=99ve just = finished reviewing the document shepherd=E2=80=99s writeup (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/shep= herdwriteup/) and Implementation report (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-rfc5575bis%20imp= lementations) for draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-14. I=E2=80=99d like to = thank all those who contributed to the very helpful and readable = implementation report. I see two issues I want to discuss in the WG.

First, the implementation report line item for = whether the implementation supports "Error-Handling and Future NLRI = Extensions=E2=80=9D is answered =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D across the board, = though the Junos report does note that "As of Junos 19.1, unknown NLRI = component types may result in session reset. Work is in progress to = conform to 5575-bis behavior=E2=80=9D. 

I would like the WG to discuss whether to wait until we have = reports of implementations of the behavior before we progress the = document, or whether to progress it without implementation. For = reference, what=E2=80=99s being referred to is section 11:

  In case BGP encounters an error in = a Flow Specification UPDATE
  message it SHOULD = treat this message as Treat-as-withdraw according
  to [RFC7606] Section 2
.

I'll note that this is SHOULD.  At the moment, neither = do.  However, much of
the reason for our work on the -bis was to fix behaviors we = knew were
broken. =  While pedantically the implementations are compliant (they do = not,
even though = it's strongly recommended), future implementations and = existing
implementations= in the future would eventually converge to the desired
behavior, = IMO.

Second,= the implementation report line item for "Traffic Rate in Packets=E2=80=9D= is "pending IANA cp assignment=E2=80=9D across the board, with the = annotation "note that without the IANA allocation, all implementations = cannot comply with this specification=E2=80=9D. 

Again, I would like the WG to decide whether to wait until we = have implementation to proceed, or whether to proceed without = implementation.

IMO, implementations are free to ignore actions even when = supported.  (E.g.
for security reasons.)  The feature is useful and will = likely show up in the
near future.

I believe we should ship the RFC with the known compliance = points expected
to be resolved in implementations in the (hopefully) near = future. [1]

-- = Jeff

[1] It's not = as if we've never shipping something that had long standing
issues. =  There's a reason I tend to bring up discussion about
ATOMIC_AGGREGATE as part of my BGP history lessons.

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Idr@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr

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Thanks, Mano On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:20 PM Przemyslaw Krol wrote: > Hi Nandan, > > I personally agree with your proposal for handling multiple ENLP sub-TLV > (1). It's clear and consistent with other similar cases > > In terms of ENLP = 0 || >=5 (2), my concern regarding 2b (fallback to > static) is that there may be multiple instances of BGP policy (different > advertisers) with the same or lower preference and valid ENLP values. > Failing back to static would basically skip those BGP policies and "bypass" > policy selection. I suspect it's undesirable. For this reason, treating it > as reserved (2a) sounds to me like a better option. Unless you really meant > ignoring offending policy and moving to the next one (which can be static > or BGP, depending on the selection algo), but regardless, 2a) seems safer > and less disruptive in the future (if/when we need ENLP >=5 ). > > > thanks, > pk > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:42 AM Nandan Saha wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in >> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1]. >> >> There are 2 things that need to be clarified:- >> >> 1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once: >> For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy >> priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one >> occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once. >> >> 2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >= 5. >> The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference is >> to >> 2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them >> illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) >> and >> 2.b: Upon receipt ENLP = 0 || >=5 the headend call fall back to local >> policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >= 5 as illegal, we >> can do TAW) >> >> Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable. >> >> [1] - >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.4 >> [2] - >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.5 >> >> Thanks, >> Nandan >> > > > -- > Przemyslaw "PK" Krol | Strategic Network Engineer ing | pkrol@google.com > -- Thanks, Manoharan --000000000000ef42a905891e4f0e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pk,

In 2(b) we meant, "For valu= es 0 and 5-255, treat as if the Sub-TLV was not received and take default E= NLP action that is configured locally" (or) "if these values are = to be treated as illegal, then do TAW".

Thank= s,
Mano

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:20 PM Przemyslaw Krol <= ;pkrol@google.com> wrote:
Hi Na= ndan,

I personally agree with your proposal for hand= ling multiple ENLP sub-TLV (1). It's clear and consistent with other si= milar cases

In terms of ENLP =3D 0 || >=3D5 (2)= , my concern regarding 2b (fallback to static) is that there may be multipl= e instances of BGP=C2=A0policy (different advertisers) with the same or low= er preference and valid ENLP values. Failing back to static would basically= skip those BGP policies and "bypass" policy selection. I suspect= it's undesirable. For this reason, treating it as reserved (2a) sounds= to me like a better option. Unless you really meant ignoring offending pol= icy and moving to the next one (which can be static or BGP, depending on th= e selection algo), but regardless, 2a) seems safer and less disruptive in t= he future (if/when we need ENLP >=3D5 ).


thanks,
pk

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:42 AM Nandan = Saha <nandan@aris= ta.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
=C2=A0There error handling for the ENLP sub-TLV isn't defined in
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 [1].

There are 2 things that need to be clarified:-

1. The behavior when ENLP sub-TLV occurs more than once:
=C2=A0 For this, my preference is to add text like we have for policy
priority sub-TLV [2] (and some other sub-TLVs), mandating only one
occurrence and treat-as-withdraw when present more than once.

2. Behavior when ENLP value is either 0 or >=3D 5.
=C2=A0 The only meaningful/legal values defined now are 1-4. My preference = is to
2a: mark other values as reserved for future use. (We could mark them
illegal but that'll rule out trying to extended them if ever needed) and
2.b: Upon receipt ENLP =3D 0 || >=3D5 the headend call fall back to loca= l
policy. (If we go down the route of marking 0 || >=3D 5 as illegal, we can do TAW)

Please let me know what you think, and if this seems reasonable.

[1] - https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.= 4
[2] - https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05#section-2.4.= 5

Thanks,
Nandan


--

Przemyslaw "PK" Kro= l |=C2=A0Str= ategic Network Engineering |=C2=A0pkrol@google.com=C2=A0


--
Thanks,
Manoharan
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from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A65A12019B; Mon, 20 May 2019 04:18:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roni Even via Datatracker To: Cc: idr@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roni Even Message-ID: <155835113205.12976.4019605205764430020@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 04:18:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-14 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 11:18:52 -0000 Reviewer: Roni Even Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-?? Reviewer: Roni Even Review Date: 2019-05-20 IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-23 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: The document is ready for publication as a standard track RFC Major issues: Minor issues: Nits/editorial comments: From nobody Mon May 20 14:00:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B6C120026; Mon, 20 May 2019 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155838600017.12890.17687215880555280752@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:00:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:00:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : The BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Authors : Keyur Patel Gunter Van de Velde Srihari R. Sangli Eric C. Rosen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2019-05-20 Abstract: RFC 5512 defines a BGP Path Attribute known as the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute". This attribute allows one to specify a set of tunnels. For each such tunnel, the attribute can provide the information needed to create the tunnel and the corresponding encapsulation header. The attribute can also provide information that aids in choosing whether a particular packet is to be sent through a particular tunnel. RFC 5512 states that the attribute is only carried in BGP UPDATEs that have the "Encapsulation Subsequent Address Family (Encapsulation SAFI)". This document deprecates the Encapsulation SAFI (which has never been used in production), and specifies semantics for the attribute when it is carried in UPDATEs of certain other SAFIs. This document adds support for additional tunnel types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to be specified for each tunnel. This document also provides support for specifying fields of any inner or outer encapsulations that may be used by a particular tunnel. This document obsoletes RFC 5512. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 20 14:54:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADA41200DE; Mon, 20 May 2019 14:54:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares , idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe@ietf.org, The IESG , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155838924636.12980.9275101857627580529.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:54:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Protocol Action: 'BGP-LS extensions for Segment Routing BGP Egress Peer Engineering' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:54:07 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'BGP-LS extensions for Segment Routing BGP Egress Peer Engineering' (draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe/ Technical Summary This document describes an extension to BGP Link State (BGP-LS) for advertisement of BGP Peering Segments along with their BGP peering node information so that efficient BGP Egress Peer Engineering (EPE) policies and strategies can be computed based on Segment Routing. Working Group Summary The WG has reviewed the BGP-LS segment routing drafts for 3-5 years in coordination with the SPRING, MPLS, and BESS working groups. Document Quality Yes, there are existing implementations. Personnel Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Responsible AD: Alvaro Retana From nobody Mon May 20 18:54:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462A120026; Mon, 20 May 2019 18:54:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155840369052.12781.17891381308138169785@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 18:54:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 01:54:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP Authors : Stefano Previdi Clarence Filsfils Dhanendra Jain Paul Mattes Eric Rosen Steven Lin Filename : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2019-05-20 Abstract: This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing Policy (SR Policy). An SR Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more segment lists. The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple candidate paths for an SR Policy. Candidate paths may be learned via a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP. This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to distribute candidate paths. New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute are defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed May 22 23:35:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D385612012A for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 23:35:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6_8nUDrTJAI for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 23:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF3001200D6 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 23:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8B4059E4EA3D9DAEE4D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:35:31 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:35:31 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.182]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 23 May 2019 14:35:27 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Augmenting the ietf-routing in two separate drafts Thread-Index: AdURMasPr5sr3922T1G2paG7SAZm3Q== Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 06:35:26 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.31.203] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA4948C9Dnkgeml513mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Augmenting the ietf-routing in two separate drafts X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 06:35:36 -0000 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA4948C9Dnkgeml513mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, authors and all: It is not clear to me why we define augmentation of the ietf-routing in two= different draft, one is in the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rib-extend-01 which a= ugment common rib building block in ietf-routing with multiple next-hop sup= port, The other is in the BGP YANG model (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= idr-bgp-model-05#section-2.3) which augment ietf-routing with BGP RIB speci= fic parameters. I would suggest to factor out BGP RIB into a separate draft or draft-ietf-r= tgwg-yang-rib-extend-01 and define lightweight BGP model and move forward. Let me know if you have disagreement on this. -Qin --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA4948C9Dnkgeml513mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, authors and all:=

It is not clear to me why we de= fine augmentation of the ietf-routing in two different draft, one is in the= draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rib-extend-01 which augment common rib building bloc= k in ietf-routing with multiple next-hop support,

The other is in the BGP YANG mo= del (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-05#section-2= .3) which augment ietf-routing with BGP RIB specific parameters.

I would suggest to factor out B= GP RIB into a separate draft or draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rib-extend-01 and def= ine lightweight BGP model and move forward.

Let me know if you have disagre= ement on this.

 

-Qin

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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:10:02 -0000 Reviewer: Paul Wouters Review result: Has Issues Reviewer: Paul Wouters Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Note: I'm not a segment routing or BGP expert, so I might have misunderstood some things. As far as I can understand the Security Considerations, it seems that it is adequately pointing to other documents and mentions, with solutions, new concerns raised by implememting this document. I do have a number of comments and suggested improvements for the tables and figures layout, and some questions about IANA registries. See below for details. Paul Section 2.1 Can the IANA registry be referenced here so the reader can easilly go to see the entire list of Node Attribute TLVs ? Section 2.1.1 I personally find Figures to have more readable with less -+-+-+-+ symbols eg to change Figure 2 to: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ ~ SID/Label (variable) ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Note that since the SID/Label is a variable length, I used the "~" symbol as in common to donate that. And important in this case too, as I was thinking it was a fixed size but reading the description found out it was either 3 or 4 bytes. I see the document uses // for this elsewhere, which is also okay. Type: 1161 I would write: Type: set to 1161 denoting a SID/Label Node Attribute Length: Either 3 or 4 depending whether [...] I find this language confusing. It suggests the Length field can be of size 3 or 4, instead of saying the Length field value can be 3 or 4. then the 20 rightmost bits represent a label Should it be specified what to do with the 4 leftmost bits? Are they reserved? used for something else ? Section 2.1.2 I find the split Range Size vs / SID/Label confusing. The table is supposed to give me an idea of the byte stream, but by being split it two it doesn't do that well. How about this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +---------------+---------------+-------------------------------+ | Flags | Reserved | Range Size, or | +---------------+---------------+ | ~ SID/Label sub-TLV ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ I find this bit a little misleading in our way of writing it: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Range Size | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ // SID/Label sub-TLV (variable) // +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Because I don't think Range Size is really 20 bits and the next 4 bits can be used for another payload. I assume those unspecified 4 bits are reserved and set to 0? Type: 1034 I would write: Type: set to 1034 denoting an SR Capabilities Node Attribute Length: Variable. Minimum length is 12. Again, it find this confusing. The length field itself is not variable length and has no minimum length of 12. I would write: Length: two octects in network order, specifying the length of the Range Size or SID/Label sub-TLV Reserved: 1 octet that SHOULD be set to 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt. Why is that SHOULD not a MUST? One or more entries, each of which have the following format: Is this really "one or more entries"? The table above does not show that at all. Can we only have more entries of the same capabilities or can they be mixed (eg one range size and two SID/Labels ??) If there is more than one entry, how would one know whether these are RAnge Sizes or SID/Labels? If there is only one, then the Length denotes that implicitely. Since the SID/Label sub-TLV is used to indicate the first label of the SRGB range, only label encoding is valid under the SR Capabilities TLV. Does this mean the above "one or more entries" is actually restricted and means "one or more rang sizes, followed by 0 or 1 SID/Labels" ? The ambiguity perceived means I can not fully deducate the field contents as it is currently specified. Section 2.1.3 Similar remarks to the sections above here regarding the field descriptions. I would enclose Algorithm 1, since 1 is the minimum and close the table, since our content description does end (based on the Length field) 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+ | Algorithm 1 | Algorithm... ~ Algorithm N ~ | +---------------+---- | ~ ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Section 2.1.4 See my similar comments above. Additionally, one Range Size and SID label should be added to the diagram unconditionally, as the minimum is one, and then the block follows of optional additional blocks of range size plus SID/Label. Section 2.1.5 See similar comments above. Section 2.2 These TLVs should only be added to [...] Should that "should" be a SHOULD (or MUST?) Section 2.2.1 See similar comments above that apply to this table and values. Here it is even more important because Length appears even more variable because Flags is described as a static "one octet". And then "weight" isn't given an octet size but the following Reserved field is. Should the SHOULD in the reserved field description be a MUST ? Especially for reserved fields, I see no reason why it is not a MUST. If this is left unchecked by an implementation and possibly filled with bogus data, while that will not break anything NOW, as the document also states "MUST ignore", but once any of these fields get defined in the future, it would break. So it is better to dictate now to not leave it with potential garbage values. [The Following sections all have the same characteristics as the above ones, so I won't mention these further in the review, but I think these should be fixed similarly.] Section 2.2.3 This table seems to extend an existing table in what I hope is some kind of IANA registry? Can that be referenced here? If there is no IANA registry of these, and this seems to extend a list of entries from RFC 7752 and RFC 8571, I would suggest this document creates that new IANA registry and populates it with all those values. Section 2.3 Similar here, should this be a new IANA Registry? Section 2.3.4 If the Prefix NLRI is not considered a "normal routing prefix", what is it considered as? What implications does that have? need to be interpreted accordingly Is that "need to" not a MUST ? or perhaps rephrase this as: The Flags field of this TLV are interpreted accordingly to the respective underlying IS-IS, OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 protocol. Section 3 We normally don't say early code points were assigned. We just say what we request(ed) from IANA. Also, can the registies named be linked to IANA? "should be left empty" -> "is left empty" The table in Section 3.1 seems to extend an existing table/registry. Can it be named and linked so the reader can jump the the IANA registry ? NITS: Abstract: This draft -> This document Introduction: This sentence seems malformed: A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. or global within a domain. -> or a global semantic within a domain. Within IGP topologies an SR path -> Within IGP topologies, an SR path Use of "segement" vs "Segment" in the Introduction is inconsistent Figure 1 describes -> Figure 1 denotes then can -> can Section 2.1.1 as a label or an index/SID. -> as a label or as an index/SID Section 2.2.1 The Protocol-ID of the BGP-LS Link NLRI should be used to determine the underlying protocol specification for parsing these fields. I would change the "should be" to an "is", as there is no chocie here. That is how it is. Similar in other sections, such as 2.3.1 Section 2.3.4 is considered as a normal routing -> is considered a normal routing From nobody Thu May 23 08:41:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321C5120123 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4V87vlnRxHxv for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D63412011F for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id l2so6804511wrb.9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=t7yPL3g0uYiuqHKx70anCfv1DsIq7Q9rLmmKmqn2xfE=; b=YrkalPFXomlUMkiITInE6xVCARPQ2dbE3fHTXa6SPMGBnp8z7Xct5MFfiwfxGWVwGO y381YD+PrGc577OyBFziyUikXO6qmUyPCMaVf4Hdt74VpM9tyY9fFM2sTHDUH8s+2eAJ 3dA9EXijWj/RhLDV/R2tq3qhKXEN9WQYW5jEwNl57X8zZsKpV+NsBYW153lcaKw6kqsw QTEEgbASEKghyGC5MhhRI68lV7H2tzjnH28NFx8Tgt6DKb9fAusPaWoqbmSj9BoVhvvL bcyrgN+laES+UoSosfBXY19HmPR8uxvqDcaNjOx0DSi7BKTcmkDx0LqNl6be3fKpLFFj aoHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=t7yPL3g0uYiuqHKx70anCfv1DsIq7Q9rLmmKmqn2xfE=; b=X+/lOJaL0obH22dBOj399vwnuHamygzSFSYPf/Fk8NOAPlW5jJLyTG5267iUje0lDs RFp3Nbtn8o8uUTW3WFtRjNYq/cHKdYISYyoYFthbGFn8i15Rvi3fjoNsAO4LxEFRQNNq A6gn4bbmLPtfIc9Z7ryX20k1pDXHt/9vhvRX0Iogs0TycMb47TOW00RxTbLE4B1gB8VE eclO7CpWZ05y+gn9ZDOVoK9/rRdiN/rVL4tId4OFX7a1kMzC0/sZo52u6rm9uduEdmdF crMI6e2okYyZKySjxBvxk9qXhk/9ksQfpHH4f2dDwHHJCvXVzUcFlIQal8Bu5QqtojPD PV/A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX429A7Tr8UNS1KeSStb8DD0qZ/DGYqqxhSVmiIuEwy2NOcxzxI uxUsR7d9SxLPWqv/xZT3FdpG/SreKoo9r5h9ujlV1w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyKm5eetMJEV8pBVm2hDpzL9x4esU1CDy1o/KHuy76eUKbKblUK2CaFeHlaPiISKxvXSiKxq0g9GwpmRWyT3wM= X-Received: by 2002:adf:81a2:: with SMTP id 31mr58473046wra.165.1558626059510; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: From: Przemyslaw Krol Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 08:40:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda)" Cc: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009ddce105898fe8c3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:41:05 -0000 --0000000000009ddce105898fe8c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Greetings, How long does this process usually take? thanks, pk On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda) < kmajumda@cisco.com> wrote: > > > Hi Sue et all, > > > > I support the early allocation of BGP Tunnel Allocation Sub-TLVs defined > in section 8.3 : > > > > TBD1 ENLP sub-TLV This document > > TBD2 Priority sub-TLV This document > > TBD3 Policy Name sub-TLV This document > > > > This would be needed for implementation. > > > > Thanks, > > Kausik > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of * Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant) > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:04 AM > *To:* Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org; Przemyslaw Krol < > pkrol@google.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > Hi Sue/All, > > > > I support the early allocation for code-points for the remaining TLVs > defined in this WG document. We need the same for implementation. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Susan Hares > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 18:27 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt . > > > > https://datatracker..ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ > > > > > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with > existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP > sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early > assignment. Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not > need early allocation. > > > > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have > indicated their preference for values on this email list. > > > > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need > these values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > -- Przemyslaw "PK" Krol | Strategic Network Engineer ing | pkrol@google.com --0000000000009ddce105898fe8c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,

How long does this process u= sually take?

thanks,
pk

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Tue, Apr= 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda) <kmajumda@cisco.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

Hi Sue et all,

=C2=A0

I support the early allocation of BGP Tunnel Allocat= ion Sub-TLVs defined in section 8.3 :

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 TBD1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = ENLP sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0TBD2=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Priority sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This d= ocument

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0TBD3=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Policy Name sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0

This would be needed for implementation.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Kausik

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:04 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org; Przemyslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-se= gment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

=C2=A0

Hi Sue/All,

=C2=A0

I support the early allocation = for code-points for the remaining TLVs defined in this WG document. We need= the same for implementation.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for d= raft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

=C2=A0

https://datatracker..i= etf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/

=C2=A0

Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to= some values with existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are = 3 values:=C2=A0 (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) t= hat need early assignment. =C2=A0=C2=A0Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allocation. <= /u>

=C2=A0

Please comment early and often on early allocation. = =C2=A0=C2=A0The authors have indicated their preference for values on this = email list.

=C2=A0

The authors have indicated that they have 3+ impleme= ntations which need these values in order to complete the IDR implementatio= n requirements.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cheerily, Susan Hares

=C2=A0



--
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Przemyslaw "PK" Krol |=C2=A0Strategic Network Engineering |=C2=A0pkrol@go= ogle.com=C2=A0
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Can we eliminate the "IETF Review" Capablities range? [was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-04.txt] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:46:32 -0000 Hi, The somewhat limited protection against abuse of First Come First Served is in Section 3.3 of RFC 8126: IANA always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or intervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encounter issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where registration requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusual or abusive. Should IANA not notice abusive requests for FCFS code points such that enough were consumed to significantly constrain future assignments, I assume some sort of special I* action would be taken to revoke the assignments. That being said, I think that in this case the code point space is so small that some reserved or IETF Review or similarly restricted subrange should exist. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM tom petch wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Scudder" > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:10 AM > > > On May 23, 2019, at 12:53 PM, > internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Revision to Capability Codes Registration > Procedures > > Author : John Scudder > > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-04.txt > > Pages : 5 > > Date : 2019-05-23 > > > > This is a version bump to refresh the draft, which had expired. There > are two outstanding points I can think of: > > > > 1. I=E2=80=99ve received a report of another use of Capability 129 (dif= ferent > from the one reported in the draft). I=E2=80=99m following up with the re= porter > to find out if that needs to be documented in the draft, if it does I=E2= =80=99ll > issue a revision. > > > > 2. The draft currently leaves Capabilities 1-63 as =E2=80=9CIETF Review= =E2=80=9D. As I > =E2=80=99ve mentioned in another thread recently, I=E2=80=99ve become ske= ptical of the > value of splitting registries between IETF Review and FCFS. Here are > some options, listed in order of my own preference: > > > > 2.a. Make 1-238 all FCFS. > > Pro: this is the easiest allocation policy with the least admin > overhead. There is no decision required as to which range to select, so > less confusion. > > Con: there=E2=80=99s a theoretical risk of the number space being compl= etely > consumed, without any formal way for the WG to prevent it. (A =E2=80=9Cru= n on > the bank=E2=80=9D.) > > Rebuttal: this hasn=E2=80=99t been seen to happen in practice. Also, we= do > reserve 255 in case we need it for future extension. > > > > 2.b. Make 1-63 Reserved, 64-238 FCFS. > > Pro: as above, but without the chance that the number space could be > completely consumed since 1-63 is protected. If that range is needed in > the future, another draft can be written to reclassify it as IETF Review > again, or as whatever is desired at that time. > > Con: it=E2=80=99s a slightly more complicated solution to what may be a > non-problem. > > > > 2.c. Leave it as written in version 04, 1-63 IETF Review, 64-238 FCFS. > > Pro: it=E2=80=99s what we=E2=80=99ve already been discussing and nobody= (other than > me, in this note) has raised an objection so far. > > Con: authors are required to choose between the two ranges, experience > shows that many assume that IETF Review is =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D for s= ome reason. > This holds up number allocation, retards implementation, and invokes > additional administrative overhead without returning any concrete > benefit. > > > > I=E2=80=99d be interested in discussion of these options. Once these po= ints > are settled IMO the draft is ready for last call. > > John > > I see it as a question of security. The Internet used to consist of > friendly, helpful people who worked together to make it happen. Now > there is a whole raft of evil people, some state actors, some > individual, some corporate - in fact, actors of any kind. > > So, if we make it FCFS, and an evil actor sets out to sabotage us, what > mechanisms do we have to stop them? Think of the kind of mechanisms > that routers have to stop them being overwhelmed. > > As RFC8126says, > > " It is also important to understand that First Come First Served > really has no filtering. Essentially, any well-formed request is > accepted." > > so we have no defence against a DoS attack. 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[was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-04.txt] Thread-Index: AQHVEYUyVIsCWqG9LUSO7O62sTvrZqZ5+dyA Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:49:59 +0000 Message-ID: <32397_1558691400_5CE7BE48_32397_20_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48AE14BF@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <155860518236.3859.4116481267193969204@ietfa.amsl.com> <015701d51184$a55712c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <015701d51184$a55712c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Can we eliminate the "IETF Review" Capablities range? 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-0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001b01d4ff54$31784b90$9468e2b0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dhanendra Jain Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: Przemyslaw Krol , "Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda)" , Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a48f660589a4de0a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 16:41:31 -0000 --000000000000a48f660589a4de0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ack on the suggested values of the code points below (14, 15 and 129). Thanks, Dhanendra. On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:30 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi PK, > > > > AFAIK there was no objection and enough support for the Early Code Point > Allocation call which concluded on 5/14. So I believe the chairs/AD would > need to get this action done with IANA. > > > > We had recommended values at the start of this discussion : > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/YmKvUQ0iuDCf_ijWUiwNz6unXAU > > > > Reproducing it again below > > > > Codepoint Description Reference > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > 12 Preference sub-TLV This document > > 13 Binding SID sub-TLV This document > > 128 Segment List sub-TLV This document > > * 14 ENLP sub-TLV This document* > > * 15 Priority sub-TLV This document* > > * 129 Policy Name sub-TLV This document* > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Przemyslaw Krol > *Sent:* 23 May 2019 17:40 > *To:* Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda) > *Cc:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Susan Hares < > shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > Greetings, > > > > How long does this process usually take? > > > > thanks, > > pk > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda) < > kmajumda@cisco.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Sue et all, > > > > I support the early allocation of BGP Tunnel Allocation Sub-TLVs defined > in section 8.3 : > > > > TBD1 ENLP sub-TLV This document > > TBD2 Priority sub-TLV This document > > TBD3 Policy Name sub-TLV This document > > > > This would be needed for implementation. > > > > Thanks, > > Kausik > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant) > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:04 AM > *To:* Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org; Przemyslaw Krol < > pkrol@google.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > Hi Sue/All, > > > > I support the early allocation for code-points for the remaining TLVs > defined in this WG document. We need the same for implementation. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Susan Hares > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 18:27 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] > > > > This begins a 2 week call for early allocation for > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt . > > > > https://datatracker..ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ > > > > > Please note that in this draft in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with > existing early allocation, but in sections 8.3 there are 3 values: (ENLP > sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early > assignment. Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not > need early allocation. > > > > Please comment early and often on early allocation. The authors have > indicated their preference for values on this email list. > > > > The authors have indicated that they have 3+ implementations which need > these values in order to complete the IDR implementation requirements. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > > > > > -- > > Przemyslaw "PK" Krol | > > Strategic Network Engineer > > ing | pkrol@google.com > > > --000000000000a48f660589a4de0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ack on the suggested values of t= he code points below (14, 15 and 129).

Thanks,
Dhanendra.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:30 PM Ketan Talaulikar (k= etant) <ketant@cisco.com> wro= te:

Hi PK,

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AFAIK there was no objection and enough suppor= t for the Early Code Point Allocation call which concluded on 5/14. So I be= lieve the chairs/AD would need to get this action done with IANA.=

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We had recommended values at the start of this= discussion : https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Y= mKvUQ0iuDCf_ijWUiwNz6unXAU

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Reproducing it again below

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Codepoint=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Description=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Refer= ence

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 ------------------------------------------------------=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Preference sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This = document

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 13=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Binding SID sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This documen= t

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 128=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Segment List sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 14=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0ENLP sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =C2=A015=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Priority sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 129 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0Policy Name sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document=

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Thanks,

Ketan

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From: Przemyslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com>
Sent: 23 May 2019 17:40
To: Kausik Majumdar (kmajumda) <kmajumda@cisco.com>
Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org; draft= -ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-se= gment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

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Greetings,

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How long does this process usually take?

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thanks,

pk

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM Kausik Majumdar (kma= jumda) <kmajumda= @cisco.com> wrote:

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Hi Sue et all,

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I support the early allocation = of BGP Tunnel Allocation Sub-TLVs defined in section 8.3 :

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TBD1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 ENLP sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0TBD2=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Priority sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 This document

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0TBD3=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Policy Name sub-TLV=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thi= s document

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This would be needed for implem= entation.

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Thanks,

Kausik

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:04 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org; Przemyslaw Krol <= pkrol@google.com&= gt;
Subject: Re: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-se= gment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

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Hi Sue/All,

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I support the early allocation for code-points for t= he remaining TLVs defined in this WG document. We need the same for impleme= ntation.

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Thanks,

Ketan

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 30 April 2019 18:27
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Early Code Point Allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segmen= t-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019]

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This begins a 2 week call for e= arly allocation for draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05.txt .

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h= ttps://datatracker..ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/<= /a>

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Please note that in this draft = in section 8.1-8.3 to some values with existing early allocation, but in se= ctions 8.3 there are 3 values:=C2=A0 (ENLP sub-TLV, Priority sub-TLV, and Policy Name sub-TLV) that need early assignment. =C2=A0=C2=A0= Section 8.4, 8.5 and 8.6 define new registries which do not need early allo= cation.

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Please comment early and often = on early allocation. =C2=A0=C2=A0The authors have indicated their preferenc= e for values on this email list.

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The authors have indicated that= they have 3+ implementations which need these values in order to complete = the IDR implementation requirements.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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Tue, 28 May 2019 22:49:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155910894074.25773.15693318643081622935@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 22:49:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 05:49:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Subject: Re: [Idr] Requesting WGLC [was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 13:00:47 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01D515FC.FD731FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John:=20 =20 I agree. I will start WG LC in a few moments.=20 =20 Cheerily, Susan Harwa =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Scudder Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:55 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: Hares Susan Subject: [Idr] Requesting WGLC [was: Re: I-D Action: = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt] =20 Hi All, On May 29, 2019, at 8:49 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: =20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Revision to Capability Codes Registration = Procedures Author : John Scudder Filename : draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2019-05-28 =20 This version adds draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-04 to the list of specs = using capability 129. As for my proposal to make 1-63 either FCFS or = Reserved, I think there was consensus NOT to make it FCFS but I = didn=E2=80=99t see clear consensus for Reserved vs. leaving it as IETF = Review, so I=E2=80=99ve left it as it was. We can continue that = discussion as desired during WGLC. =20 Speaking of which, I think the document is ready for WGLC and would like = to request it. The only open issue I know of is the one mentioned above. =20 Thanks, =20 =E2=80=94John (with document author hat) ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01D515FC.FD731FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John:

 

I agree.=C2=A0 I will start WG LC in a few moments. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Harwa

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John = Scudder
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:55 AM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Cc: Hares Susan
Subject: [Idr] = Requesting WGLC [was: Re: I-D Action: = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt]

=

 

Hi All,



 

A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG = of the IETF.

       Title =           : Revision = to Capability Codes Registration = Procedures
       Author =          : John = Scudder
Filename        : = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt
Pages =           : 5
Date =            : = 2019-05-28

 

This = version adds draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-04 to the list of specs = using capability 129. As for my proposal to make 1-63 either FCFS = or Reserved, I think there was consensus NOT to make it FCFS but I = didn=E2=80=99t see clear consensus for Reserved vs. leaving it as IETF = Review, so I=E2=80=99ve left it as it was. We can continue that = discussion as desired during WGLC.

 

Speaking of which, I think the document is ready for = WGLC and would like to request it. The only open issue I know of is the = one mentioned above.

 

Thanks,

 

=E2=80=94John (with document author = hat)

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules Authors : Christoph Loibl Susan Hares Robert Raszuk Danny McPherson Martin Bacher Filename : draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2019-05-29 Abstract: This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format that can be used to distribute traffic Flow Specifications. This allows the routing system to propagate information regarding more specific components of the traffic aggregate defined by an IP destination prefix. It specifies IPv4 traffic Flow Specifications via a BGP NLRI which carries traffic Flow Specification filter, and an Extended community value which encodes actions a routing system can take if the packet matches the traffic flow filters. The flow filters and the actions are processed in a fixed order. Other drafts specify IPv6, MPLS addresses, L2VPN addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP addresses. This document obsoletes RFC5575 and RFC7674 to correct unclear specifications in the flow filters. Applications which use the bgp Flow Specification are: 1) application which automate inter-domain coordination of traffic filtering, such as what is required in order to mitigate (distributed) denial-of- service attacks; 2) applications which control traffic filtering in the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service, and 3) applications with centralized control of traffic in a SDN or NFV context. Some deployments of these three applications can be handled by the strict ordering of the BGP NLRI traffic flow filters, and the strict actions encoded in the extended community Flow Specification actions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed May 29 17:10:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B666F1200B9; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id czL-ASxDw-dE; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC4B21200B7; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Dongjie \(Jimmy\)'" Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <018301d5167c$153fb4b0$3fbf1e10$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0184_01D5165A.8E2E89E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWe/VTWc97MMApRn24cc9vcBcfJw== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr - 2 weeks [4/16/2019 to 4/30/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 00:10:40 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0184_01D5165A.8E2E89E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This draft has been adopted by the IDR WG. 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This draft = has been adopted by the IDR WG.   The authors should submit = this draft as:

 

Draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr-00.txt. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

------=_NextPart_000_0184_01D5165A.8E2E89E0-- From nobody Wed May 29 17:19:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CE9120088; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.847 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNR16vzbyRL4; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EE33120020; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: , Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <019001d5167d$587ae5f0$0970b1d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01D5165B.D16A3050" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWfONUU/XC9IaTSR24NZ2xY/oc2g== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 - 2 Week WG Adoption call [4/16/ to 4/30/2019) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 00:19:37 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01D5165B.D16A3050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt has been adopted by the IDR WG. The authors should submit this drafts as: Draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-00.txt. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01D5165B.D16A3050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt has been = adopted by the IDR WG.

 

The authors = should submit this drafts as:

 

Draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-00.txt. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =  

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Draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt has been = adopted by the IDR WG. 

 

The authors = should submit this drafty as: = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-00.txt.

 

Cheerily, = Susan Hares

------=_NextPart_000_01A4_01D5165C.FD6625F0-- From nobody Wed May 29 17:37:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F9612006F; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8v3QRth70u9x; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3426112003F; Wed, 29 May 2019 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01ce01d5167f$d263a120$772ae360$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CF_01D5165E.4B52EB80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWf6O0Bfd+E6aEQf2RwV1CamMKaA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext [5/2 - 5/16/2018] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 00:37:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CF_01D5165E.4B52EB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit draft-dwara-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext has been adopted. The authors should submit the draft as: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-00.txt. As soon as this draft has been submitted, an early code point allocation call will begin. Cheerily, Sue ------=_NextPart_000_01CF_01D5165E.4B52EB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

draft-dwara-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext has been adopted. =   

The authors should = submit the draft as:  draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-00.txt. =

 

As soon as this draft has been submitted, an early = code point allocation call will begin.

 

Cheerily, = Sue

 

------=_NextPart_000_01CF_01D5165E.4B52EB80-- From nobody Wed May 29 19:07:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC171201DA; Wed, 29 May 2019 19:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsVZtW3wWpFr; Wed, 29 May 2019 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A298120132; Wed, 29 May 2019 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Huaimo Chen'" Cc: , "'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'" , "'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn'" References: <013301d4f5ef$b1b51310$151f3930$@ndzh.com> <025301d4faa9$4d6308e0$e8291aa0$@ndzh.com> <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D463BA96C8@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D463BAC92A@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D463BACB2E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D463BACB2E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 22:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001901d5168c$5b234bd0$1169e370$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D5166A.D4172A10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQCo3XkoQTpnez42PLUrnLEMTDc8HgHT6zliAWS4mqwBkqXsAwG3DB9zAcEUA4ABvZL6pgFgWgTHAkUw0NuobicigA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 02:07:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D5166A.D4172A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huaimo and co-authors:=20 =20 It appears there is interest in this solution, but that several issues = need to be address from emails. The summary is that a revised draft or = two drafts (separated topology and provisioning).=20 =20 Here are some issues that the emails discussed:=20 1) removal of allocated SIDs (Robert Razuk), =20 2) indicating aspects of allocation (dynamic, static, or mid-range) = that require this draft, =20 3) aspects of control that require this draft instead of PCP,=20 4) when Yang should be used for allocation instead of this draft.=20 =20 Would you spin a revised draft(s) addressing the issues raised. =20 =20 After you send out the revised draft, we will do a second adoption call. = The interest in the drafts shows that you should work on the revised = drafts so that the WG can examine the drafts.=20 =20 Sue Hares =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huaimo Chen Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 11:07 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Robert, =20 Thank you for your comments and questions. As you suggested, removing allocated SIDs can be done through using = MP_UNREACH. We will update the draft accordingly. When the SIDs are allocated by a centralized place, there should not be = SID conflict. When a node does not accept a SID, something abnormal may happen and it = should give some indication. =20 Best Regards, Huaimo From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:57 AM To: Huaimo Chen Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Susan Hares = ; li zhenqiang ; = idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Huaimo, =20 > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the = instructions about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. =20 =20 How do you know that the node accepts such SID? How do you know there = is no SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated SIDs (I assume by = sending your new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is nowhere stated in the = draft) etc ...=20 =20 BGP is the worst mechanism for config push I can think of.=20 =20 Just use any other freely available tools say as example - ansible or = chef and you will be much better off with such level of network = automation. In your DC use case such tools are already heavily used so = it will make it even more consistent with existing DC operation.=20 =20 Best, R. =20 =20 On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen = wrote: Hi Ketan, =20 Thank you for your comments. My explanations are inline below with prefix [HC2]. =20 Best Regards, Huaimo From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto: = ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM To: Huaimo Chen < = huaimo.chen@huawei.com>; Susan Hares < = shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' < = li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < = = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Huaimo, =20 Please check inline below for my responses. =20 From: Huaimo Chen < = huaimo.chen@huawei.com>=20 Sent: 06 May 2019 20:35 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) < = ketant@cisco.com>; Susan Hares < = shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' < = li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < = = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Ketan, =20 Thank you for your comments. My answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC]. =20 Best Regards, Huaimo From: Idr [ mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM To: Susan Hares < shares@ndzh.com>; 'li = zhenqiang' < = li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < = = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Sue/All, =20 I concur with Zhengquiang on the point that this draft proposes = extension to BGP-LS which alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS as stated = in RFC7752. BGP-LS is about reporting topology and related information = from the network =E2=80=93 the advertisements originating from = routers/BGP Speakers and being used by BGP-LS consumer applications = (e.g. controller). It has never been about using it to provision routers = from controllers =E2=80=93 at least not yet. =20 [HC]: Refer to the response to Zhenqiang=E2=80=99s email.=20 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gIMSFeL0rmNjJy-3ySd1ygyOzyo [KT] I have just responded to that. =20 I had expressed these concerns at the mike at the IDR meeting in Prague = in the context of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocation and this draft = is its equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=E2=80=99t think the WG should adopt = either drafts. =20 The WG needs to think long and hard if we want to use BGP as a = provisioning tool (I am aware we are using BGP for Flowspec and SR = Policies =E2=80=93 but one can argue that those are in some sense = signalling based on computation/events by controllers). Here we are = talking about pure play configuration elements. We have other mechanisms = being standardized at the IETF for this purpose. We need to see strong = arguments how provisioning work flows (including day 0 bring up, = failures, etc.) are handled and handled better via BGP as opposed to = mechanisms already standardized/deployed. =20 [HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute the = SIDs to their corresponding network elements, which is similar to = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy =E2=80=9CAdvertising Segment = Routing Policies in BGP=E2=80=9D that uses BGP to distribute Segment = Routing Policies to their corresponding network elements. [KT] It is not. SR Policies are signalled based on various triggers from = controllers =E2=80=93 they are in that sense dynamic and changing. Also, = it is being done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =E2=80=93 not BGP-LS. [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from = controllers, they should be the same or similar. = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can be easily changed to use a = new AFI/SAFI.=20 =20 As said in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, there are already a = number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP for this = purpose, it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the = Segment Routing Policies. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext = describes a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the SIDs. [KT] SRGB and SIDs are fundamental for enabling SR on the nodes in the = network. Most of these are day 0 provisioning when bringing/up and = enabled SR. e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a = SR Node SID to it. This is not same as SR Policies. [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from = controllers, they should be the same or similar. In case of = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, the instructions for SR = tunnels/paths may be sent to network nodes from controllers. In case of = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext, the instructions for SIDs may = be sent to network nodes from controllers.=20 =20 I do not think that draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy want to use BGP as a pure = configuration tools. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP = and some advantages of BGP to make segment routing easier to operate and = maintain. For example, in a network using BGP, the operators of the = network with segment routing may not need to deploy, operate and = maintain PCEP (another protocol) for sending the SIDs to the network = elements from the centralized controller. Thus using fewer protocols in = a network may make the OAM on the network easier. [KT] If that is the argument for this draft, then please describe and = discuss how you propose to answer the technical response to my arguments = above (highlighted in red this time). [HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy supports to send the = instructions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers. = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the = instructions about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to = other mechanisms, draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an = alternative way in which the instructions about SR tunnels/paths are = sent to network nodes from controllers, = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext proposes an alternative way in = which the instructions about SIDs are sent to network nodes from = controllers. Some users may like the alternative ways in some cases. =20 It may also make the segment routing applicable to more networks. In a = network (such as a DC network) running BGP as the only routing protocol, = there is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any router of the = network to distribute the SIDs in the network. It may be hard to deploy = or use segment routing in this network. When BGP is extended to = distribute the SIDs to their corresponding network elements or routers, = it may be easy for us to deploy and use the segment routing in this = network. For example, for a node SID allocated for a router by the = centralized controller, the node SID can be easily distributed to all = the routers in the network through BGP=E2=80=99s RR function. Thus, the = segment routing can be easily applicable to a network with only BGP but = without IGP. [KT] This is not just about adding TLVs and distributing them via = BGP-LS. If DC network is your primary use-case, then please describe in = more details. E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on the network = node when the BGP-LS session flaps? [HC2]: DC network is one use case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal = BGP procedure should follow.=20 =20 Thanks, Ketan =20 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?=20 No. SID, SRGB and related SR configuration elements are crucial for SR = operations and have yang models defined for the same. Many of these are = initial and one-time kind of config objects at router bring up. They are = not suitable for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS. =20 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20 No. =20 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? = The flowspec aspect is separate and can be covered in a different draft. = I don=E2=80=99t see the relation to SR SRGB and SID provisioning. =20 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS?=20 No. Not for this since it is attempting to take BGP-LS in a direction = which was not what it was intended for. =20 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?=20 No. =20 6) Do you know of any early implementations?=20 No. =20 =20 Thanks, Ketan =20 From: Idr < idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: 24 April 2019 19:54 To: 'li zhenqiang' < = li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' < = = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' = < = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Zhengquiang:=20 =20 =20 This is a good question to raise during the adoption of an IDR draft. =20 =20 I hope that the authors of the draft and others will indicate why they = desire the BGP-LS method of allocating the SIDs. As you are aware, the = NETCONF based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the = allocation. BGP SHOULD run over an authenticated transport (MD5 or = better yet TLS), but all BGP peers within a network may not run over the = secure transport.=20 =20 =20 As a WG member, I realize that each network makes choices on allocating = SIDs and their control path. Some of the reasons may not be able to be = disclosed on a public mailing list. However, it would be good for the = authors to provide some reasons =E2=80=9CWhy BGP-LS=E2=80=9D for = allocation.=20 =20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 =20 From: Idr [ mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 = - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call =20 Hi Sue and All, =20 Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile.=20 =20 I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for = the SIDs representing network resources as proposed in = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.. =20 However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, = not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from = network, other than configure network from a controller. =20 Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li _____ =20 li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =20 From: Susan Hares Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the = draft at:=20 =20 = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/= =20 In your comments, consider:=20 =20 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?=20 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? =20 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow = redirection?=20 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS?=20 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?=20 6) Do you know of any early implementations?=20 =20 By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John = and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing = this WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of = processing BGP-LS drafts. =20 =20 If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new = methods to me or John.=20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D5166A.D4172A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Huaimo and co-authors:

 

It appears there is interest in this solution, but that several = issues need to be address from emails.=C2=A0 The summary is that a = revised draft or two drafts (separated topology and provisioning). =

 

Here are some issues that the emails discussed: =

1)      = removal of allocated SIDs (Robert Razuk), = =C2=A0

2)      = indicating aspects of allocation (dynamic, static, or mid-range) that = require this draft, =C2=A0

3)      = aspects of control that require this draft instead of PCP, =

4)      = when Yang should be used for allocation instead of this draft. =

 

Would you spin a revised draft(s) addressing the issues raised.=C2=A0 =

 

After you send out the revised draft, we will do a second adoption = call.=C2=A0 The interest in the drafts shows that you should work on the = revised drafts so that the WG can examine the drafts. =

 

Sue Hares =C2=A0

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huaimo = Chen
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 11:07 PM
To: Robert = Raszuk
Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 

Hi Robert,

 

Thank you for your comments and questions.

As you suggested, removing allocated SIDs can be done through using = MP_UNREACH. We will update the draft = accordingly.

When the SIDs are allocated by a centralized place, there should not = be SID conflict.

When a node does not accept a SID, something abnormal may happen and = it should give some indication.

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Robert = Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 = 4:57 AM
To: Huaimo Chen = <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>
Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = <ketant@cisco.com>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; li = zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn = <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn = <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: = [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - = 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Huaimo,

 

> draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the = instructions about SIDs to network nodes from = controllers.  

 

How do you know that the node accepts such SID?  = How do you know there is no SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated = SIDs (I assume by sending your new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is = nowhere stated in the draft) etc ... 

 

BGP is the worst mechanism for config push I can think = of. 

 

Just use any other freely available tools say as = example - ansible or chef and you will be much better off with such = level of network automation. In your DC use case such tools are already = heavily used so it will make it even more consistent with existing DC = operation. 

 

Best,

R.

 

 

On = Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi Ketan,

 

Thank you for your comments.

My explanations are inline below with prefix = [HC2].

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Ketan = Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisc= o.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM
To: Huaimo Chen = <huaimo.chen= @huawei.com>; = Susan Hares <shares@ndzh= .com>; 'li = zhenqiang' <li_zhenqian= g@hotmail.com>; = idr@ietf.or= g
Cc:<= /b> 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-= teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-= lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
= Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt = [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Huaimo,

 

Please = check inline below for my responses.

 

From: Huaimo = Chen <huaimo.chen= @huawei.com> =
Sent: 06 May 2019 20:35
To: Ketan Talaulikar = (ketant) <ketant@cisc= o.com>; = Susan Hares <shares@ndzh= .com>; 'li = zhenqiang' <li_zhenqian= g@hotmail.com>; = idr@ietf.or= g
Cc:<= /b> 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-= teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-= lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
= Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt = [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

 

Hi Ketan,

 

Thank you for your comments.

My answers/explanations are inline below with prefix = [HC].

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Idr = [mailto:idr-= bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, April = 24, 2019 11:46 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh= .com>; 'li = zhenqiang' <li_zhenqian= g@hotmail.com>; = idr@ietf.or= g
Cc:<= /b> 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-= teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-= lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
= Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt = [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Sue/All,

 

I concur = with Zhengquiang on the point that this draft proposes extension to = BGP-LS which alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS as stated in RFC7752. = BGP-LS is about reporting topology and related information from the = network =E2=80=93 the advertisements originating from routers/BGP = Speakers and being used by BGP-LS consumer applications (e.g. = controller). It has never been about using it to provision routers from = controllers =E2=80=93 at least not yet.

 

[HC]: Refer to the response to Zhenqiang=E2=80=99s email. =

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gIMSFeL0rmNjJ= y-3ySd1ygyOzyo

[KT] I = have just responded to that.

 

I had = expressed these concerns at the mike at the IDR meeting in Prague in the = context of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocation and this draft is its = equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=E2=80=99t think the WG should adopt either = drafts.

 

The WG = needs to think long and hard if we want to use BGP as a provisioning = tool (I am aware we are using BGP for Flowspec and SR Policies =E2=80=93 = but one can argue that those are in some sense signalling based on = computation/events by controllers). Here we are talking about pure play = configuration elements. We have other mechanisms being standardized at = the IETF for this purpose. We need to see = strong arguments how provisioning work flows (including day 0 bring up, = failures, etc.) are handled and handled better via BGP as opposed to = mechanisms already standardized/deployed.

 

[HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute = the SIDs to their corresponding network elements, which is similar to = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy =E2=80=9CAdvertising Segment = Routing Policies in BGP=E2=80=9D that uses BGP to distribute Segment = Routing Policies to their corresponding network = elements.

[KT] It is = not. SR Policies are signalled based on various triggers from = controllers =E2=80=93 they are in that sense dynamic and changing. Also, = it is being done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =E2=80=93 not = BGP-LS.

[HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from = controllers, they should be the same or similar. = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can be easily changed to use a = new AFI/SAFI.

 

As said in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, there are = already a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP = for this purpose, it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to = distribute the Segment Routing Policies. = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext describes a way in which BGP may = be used to distribute the SIDs.

[KT] SRGB = and SIDs are fundamental for enabling SR on the nodes in the network. = Most of these are day 0 provisioning when bringing/up and enabled SR. = e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a SR Node SID = to it. This is not same as SR Policies.

[HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from = controllers, they should be the same or similar. In case of = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, the  instructions for SR = tunnels/paths may be sent to network nodes from controllers. In case of = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext, the instructions for SIDs may = be sent to network nodes from controllers.

 

I do not think that draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy want to use BGP as a pure = configuration tools. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP = and some advantages of BGP to make segment routing easier to operate and = maintain. For example, in a network using BGP, the operators of the = network with segment routing may not need to deploy, operate and = maintain PCEP (another protocol) for sending the SIDs to the network = elements from the centralized controller. Thus using fewer protocols in = a network may make the OAM on the network = easier.

[KT] If = that is the argument for this draft, then please describe and discuss = how you propose to answer the technical response to my arguments above = (highlighted in red this time).

[HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy supports to send the = instructions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers. = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the = instructions about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to = other mechanisms, draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an = alternative way in which the instructions about SR tunnels/paths are = sent to network nodes from controllers, = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext proposes an alternative way in = which the instructions about SIDs are sent to network nodes from = controllers. Some users may like the alternative ways in some = cases.

 

It may also make the segment routing applicable to more networks. In = a network (such as a DC network) running BGP as the only routing = protocol, there is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any router of = the network to distribute the SIDs in the network. It may be hard to = deploy or use segment routing in this network. When BGP is extended to = distribute the SIDs to their corresponding network elements or routers, = it may be easy for us to deploy and use the segment routing in this = network. For example, for a node SID allocated for a router by the = centralized controller, the node SID can be easily distributed to all = the routers in the network through BGP=E2=80=99s RR function. Thus, the = segment routing can be easily applicable to a network with only BGP but = without IGP.

[KT] This = is not just about adding TLVs and distributing them via BGP-LS. If DC = network is your primary use-case, then please describe in more details. = E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on the network node when the = BGP-LS session flaps?

[HC2]: DC network is one use case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal = BGP procedure should follow.

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

1)    Does = this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for = allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment = routing?

No. SID, = SRGB and related SR configuration elements are crucial for SR operations = and have yang models defined for the same. Many of these are initial and = one-time kind of config objects at router bring up. They are not = suitable for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS.

 <= /o:p>

2)    Is the = mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

No.

 <= /o:p>

3)    Do you = see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? =

The = flowspec aspect is separate and can be covered in a different draft. I = don=E2=80=99t see the relation to SR SRGB and SID = provisioning.

 <= /o:p>

4)    Do you = support extending BGP-LS?

No. Not for = this since it is attempting to take BGP-LS in a direction which was not = what it was intended for.

 <= /o:p>

5)    Should = we provide an early allocation for this technology?

No.

 <= /o:p>

6)    Do you = know of any early implementations?

No.

 

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

From: Idr = <idr-bounces= @ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 24 April 2019 = 19:54
To: 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqian= g@hotmail.com>; = idr@ietf.or= g
Cc:<= /b> 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-= teas-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>; = 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-= lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn@ietf.org>
= Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt = [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

 

Zhengquiang:

 

<wg-chair hat on>

This is a good question to raise during the adoption of an IDR = draft.   

 

I hope that the authors of the draft and others will indicate why = they desire the BGP-LS method of allocating the SIDs.  As you are = aware, the NETCONF based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the = allocation.  BGP SHOULD run over an authenticated transport (MD5 or = better yet TLS), but all BGP peers within a network may not run over the = secure transport.

<wg-chair hat off>

 

<wg-member hat on>

As a WG member, I realize that each network makes choices on = allocating SIDs and their control path.   Some of the reasons = may not be able to be disclosed on a public mailing list.  However, = it would be good for the authors to provide some reasons =E2=80=9CWhy = BGP-LS=E2=80=9D for allocation.

<wg-member hat off>

 

Sue Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-b= ounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 = 3:51 AM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org=
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; = draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 = week WG adoption call

 <= /o:p>

Hi Sue and = All,

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Zhenqiang Li from China = Mobile. 

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I see the value to allocate SIDs in a = centralized way, especially for the SIDs representing network resources = as proposed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enh= anced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-e= nhanced-vpn/..

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However, I want to know why BGP-LS is = chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly = used to collect information from network, other than configure network = from a controller.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best = Regards,

Zhenqiang = Li

 

F= rom:&= nbsp;Susan = Hares

D= ate:&= nbsp;2019-04-18 22:04

S= ubject:&= nbsp;[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - = 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption = call

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.  You can access the = draft at:

 

https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/=

 

In your comments, consider:

 

1)      = Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for = segment routing?

2)      = Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

3)      = Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? =

4)      = Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)      = Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? =

6)      = Do you know of any early implementations?

 

By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help = John and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to = finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us = increase the speed of processing BGP-LS drafts.  =  

 

If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon = adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. =  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to = help speed up the process in IDR WG.   Please send any = thoughts on these new methods to me or John. =

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multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01D51670.F0B15780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWkMmRMirGOuKHQ3mll9iDpeDh9Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt prior to WG LC X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 02:50:47 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D51670.F0B15780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins an IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt. The authors should respond to this email with an indication of whether they know of any IPR. Other WG members can also indicate if they know of an IPR as a 3rd party IPR statement. I realize that the WG chairs have asked for IPR statements during the adoption and the first WG LC on this document. However, in order to help assure our AD and the IESG that no undeclared IPR exists, I am asking the authors to please send IPR statements. Cheerily, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D51670.F0B15780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins an IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt.  The = authors should respond to this email with an indication of whether they = know of any IPR.   Other WG members can also indicate if they = know of an IPR as a 3rd party IPR statement. =

 

I realize that the WG chairs have asked for IPR = statements during the adoption and the first WG LC on this = document.  However, in order to help assure our AD and the IESG = that no undeclared IPR exists, I am asking the authors to please send = IPR statements.

 

Cheerily, = Sue Hares

------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D51670.F0B15780-- From nobody Wed May 29 20:00:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4AA120020 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.348 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id so8FeC1cnen0 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576C3120018 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 23:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <006701d51693$e1c69870$a553c950$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01D51672.5AB56DA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWk5lry7VJ5SCjRDKQoQWRB4ZfuQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 03:00:57 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01D51672.5AB56DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an IPR poll for draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt. John Scudder should indicate whether he knows of an IPR related to this registry draft. Other WG members may indicate if they know of any IPR. As soon as the IPR poll completes, the WG LC call will start. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01D51672.5AB56DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is an = IPR poll for draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt.  =  

 

John Scudder should indicate whether he knows of an = IPR related to this registry draft.  Other WG members may indicate = if they know of any IPR.   As soon as the IPR poll completes, = the WG LC call will start.   

 

Cheerily, = Susan Hares

------=_NextPart_000_0068_01D51672.5AB56DA0-- From nobody Wed May 29 20:39:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79835120148 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UvzhW4FlKHZD for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11805120132 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 20:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 23:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00b101d51699$4526dd80$cf749880$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D51677.BE17AE80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdUWmSuGS9BW6TvDR3aVMSWWTST+Qg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190529-6, 05/29/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] 5/29/2018 IDR status updates X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 03:39:29 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D51677.BE17AE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status updates (changes only) from 5/2 to 5/29: The following drafts were adopted: . draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01.txt, . draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt, . draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt, . draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt The adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 indicated interest in the work, but additional work was needed prior to adoption. After the authors spin another revision of the draft (or drafts), a second WG. Drafts Past WG LC to IESG: . John Scudder has determined that draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath to pass to the IESG without all portions being implemented. John has requested any comments regarding this point be sent to him by June 1st. . draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps has been revised (see -12.txt). Since substantial text was edited after WG LC, a period of WG review will be held until June 7th. At that time the document will be sent to the IESG for publication. WG LCs: [6/1 to 6/14] IPR polls have been started for the following three drafts: . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08, . draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04, and . draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05. After all authors respond to the poll, these WG LC will begin. Early Allocations approved by WG: 1) draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04.txt, 2) draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt, 3) draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 Alvaro will review these early allocation requests. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D51677.BE17AE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Status updates (changes only) from 5/2 to = 5/29:

 

The following drafts = were adopted:

·         = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01= .txt,

·         = draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt, =

·         = draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt, =

·         = draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt =

 

The adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 indicated interest in the = work, but additional work was needed prior to adoption.  After the = authors spin another revision of the draft (or drafts), a second = WG. 

 

Drafts Past WG LC to = IESG:

·         = John Scudder has determined that = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath to = pass to the IESG without all portions being implemented. =   John has requested any comments regarding this point be sent = to him by June 1st.

·         = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps has been revised = (see -12.txt).  Since substantial text was edited after WG LC, a = period of WG review will be held until June 7th.  At = that time the document will be sent to the IESG for publication. =

 

WG LCs:  [6/1 to = 6/14]

IPR polls have been started for the following = three drafts:

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08, =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04, and =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05= .   

After all authors respond to the poll, these = WG LC will begin. 

 

Early Allocations = approved by WG:

1)       = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04.txt, =

2)       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt,

3)       = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 =  

 

Alvaro will review = these early allocation requests.

 

Sue Hares =

 

 

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It passed WGLC, it has number of implementations, it did not change since 2016 and yet we see it stuck ... can we please push it a little forward ? Last year Nov 18th you indicated to take it over and complete review yet we luckily have may 2019 now and nothing moved :) And you do not even list it in your below great summary report. Thx a lot, RR On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:39 AM Susan Hares wrote: > Status updates (changes only) from 5/2 to 5/29: > > > > The following drafts were adopted: > > =C2=B7 draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01..txt, > > =C2=B7 draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt, > > =C2=B7 draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt, > > =C2=B7 draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt > > > > The adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 indicate= d > interest in the work, but additional work was needed prior to adoption. > After the authors spin another revision of the draft (or drafts), a secon= d > WG. > > > > Drafts Past WG LC to IESG: > > =C2=B7 John Scudder has determined that > draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath to pass > to the IESG without all portions being implemented. John has requested > any comments regarding this point be sent to him by June 1st. > > =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps has been revised (see -12.txt= ). > Since substantial text was edited after WG LC, a period of WG review will > be held until June 7th. At that time the document will be sent to the > IESG for publication. > > > > WG LCs: [6/1 to 6/14] > > IPR polls have been started for the following three drafts: > > =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08, > > =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04, and > > =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.. > > After all authors respond to the poll, these WG LC will begin. > > > > Early Allocations approved by WG: > > 1) draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04.txt, > > 2) draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt, > > 3) draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 > > > > Alvaro will review these early allocation requests. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000006f71aa058a16b94e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sue,


It passed WGLC, it has number of implementations, it did = not change since 2016 and yet we see it stuck ... can we please push it a l= ittle forward ?=C2=A0

Last year Nov 18th you indic= ated to take it over and complete review yet we luckily have may 2019 now a= nd nothing moved :) And you do not even list it in your below great summary= report.

Thx a lot,
RR


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:39 AM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
Status updates (changes= only) from 5/2 to 5/29:

=C2=A0

The following drafts were adopted:

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01..txt,

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt, <= /u>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= /span>draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt,

=

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= /span>draft-= dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt

=C2=A0

The adoption call for draft-w= u-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 indicated interest in the work, but add= itional work was needed prior to adoption.=C2=A0 After the authors spin ano= ther revision of the draft (or drafts), a second WG.=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

= Drafts Past WG LC to IESG:

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 John Scudder has determined that draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575= bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath to pass to the IESG without all= portions being implemented. =C2=A0=C2=A0John has requested any comments re= garding this point be sent to him by June 1st.

= =C2=B7=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-enca= ps has been revised (see -12.txt).=C2=A0 Since substantial text was edited = after WG LC, a period of WG review will be held until June 7th.= =C2=A0 At that time the document will be sent to the IESG for publication. =

=C2=A0

WG LCs: =C2=A0[6/1 to 6/14]

IPR polls have been started f= or the following three drafts:

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08,

= =C2=B7=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-= 04, and

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dr= aft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05..=C2=A0 =C2=A0

After all au= thors respond to the poll, these WG LC will begin.=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= u>

Earl= y Allocations approved by WG:

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = draft-ietf-idr-= nvo3-flowspec-04.txt,

2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-ietf-idr-flowspec= -l2vpn-10.txt,

3)= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi= ng-te-policy-06 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Alvaro will review these early allocati= on requests.

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, Thank you very much for your summary. We will revise the draft to address the issues accordingly. Best Regards, Huaimo ________________________________ From: Susan Hares Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:06 PM To: 'Huaimo Chen' Cc: idr@ietf.org; 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn' Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Huaimo and co-authors: It appears there is interest in this solution, but that several issues need= to be address from emails. The summary is that a revised draft or two dra= fts (separated topology and provisioning). Here are some issues that the emails discussed: 1) removal of allocated SIDs (Robert Razuk), 2) indicating aspects of allocation (dynamic, static, or mid-range) th= at require this draft, 3) aspects of control that require this draft instead of PCP, 4) when Yang should be used for allocation instead of this draft. Would you spin a revised draft(s) addressing the issues raised. After you send out the revised draft, we will do a second adoption call. T= he interest in the drafts shows that you should work on the revised drafts = so that the WG can examine the drafts. Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huaimo Chen Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 11:07 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-= vpn; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Robert, Thank you for your comments and questions. As you suggested, removing allocated SIDs can be done through using MP_UNRE= ACH. We will update the draft accordingly. When the SIDs are allocated by a centralized place, there should not be SID= conflict. When a node does not accept a SID, something abnormal may happen and it sho= uld give some indication. Best Regards, Huaimo From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:57 AM To: Huaimo Chen Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Susan Hares ; li zhenqiang ; idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-tea= s-enhanced-vpn ; draft-dong-lsr-sr-e= nhanced-vpn Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Huaimo, > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions= about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. How do you know that the node accepts such SID? How do you know there is n= o SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated SIDs (I assume by sending your= new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is nowhere stated in the draft) etc ... BGP is the worst mechanism for config push I can think of. Just use any other freely available tools say as example - ansible or chef = and you will be much better off with such level of network automation. In y= our DC use case such tools are already heavily used so it will make it even= more consistent with existing DC operation. Best, R. On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen > wrote: Hi Ketan, Thank you for your comments. My explanations are inline below with prefix [HC2]. Best Regards, Huaimo From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM To: Huaimo Chen >; Su= san Hares >; 'li zhenqiang' >; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' >; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-= vpn' > Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Huaimo, Please check inline below for my responses. From: Huaimo Chen > Sent: 06 May 2019 20:35 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) >; = Susan Hares >; 'li zhenqiang' >; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' >; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-= vpn' > Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Ketan, Thank you for your comments. My answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC]. Best Regards, Huaimo From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (keta= nt) Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM To: Susan Hares >; 'li zhenqiang' <= li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' >; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-= vpn' > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Sue/All, I concur with Zhengquiang on the point that this draft proposes extension t= o BGP-LS which alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS as stated in RFC7752. BGP= -LS is about reporting topology and related information from the network = =96 the advertisements originating from routers/BGP Speakers and being used= by BGP-LS consumer applications (e.g. controller). It has never been about= using it to provision routers from controllers =96 at least not yet. [HC]: Refer to the response to Zhenqiang=92s email. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gIMSFeL0rmNjJy-3ySd1ygyOzyo [KT] I have just responded to that. I had expressed these concerns at the mike at the IDR meeting in Prague in = the context of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocation and this draft is its= equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=92t think the WG should adopt either drafts. The WG needs to think long and hard if we want to use BGP as a provisioning= tool (I am aware we are using BGP for Flowspec and SR Policies =96 but one= can argue that those are in some sense signalling based on computation/eve= nts by controllers). Here we are talking about pure play configuration elem= ents. We have other mechanisms being standardized at the IETF for this purp= ose. We need to see strong arguments how provisioning work flows (including= day 0 bring up, failures, etc.) are handled and handled better via BGP as = opposed to mechanisms already standardized/deployed. [HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute the SI= Ds to their corresponding network elements, which is similar to draft-ietf-= idr-segment-routing-te-policy =93Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BG= P=94 that uses BGP to distribute Segment Routing Policies to their correspo= nding network elements. [KT] It is not. SR Policies are signalled based on various triggers from co= ntrollers =96 they are in that sense dynamic and changing. Also, it is bein= g done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =96 not BGP-LS. [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from controlle= rs, they should be the same or similar. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-p= olicy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can= be easily changed to use a new AFI/SAFI. As said in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, there are already a nu= mber of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP for this purpose,= it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the Segment Rout= ing Policies. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext describes a way in wh= ich BGP may be used to distribute the SIDs. [KT] SRGB and SIDs are fundamental for enabling SR on the nodes in the netw= ork. Most of these are day 0 provisioning when bringing/up and enabled SR. = e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a SR Node SID to i= t. This is not same as SR Policies. [HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from controlle= rs, they should be the same or similar. In case of draft-ietf-idr-segment-r= outing-te-policy, the instructions for SR tunnels/paths may be sent to net= work nodes from controllers. In case of draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation= -ext, the instructions for SIDs may be sent to network nodes from controlle= rs. I do not think that draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and draft-ietf-= idr-segment-routing-te-policy want to use BGP as a pure configuration tools= . draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP and some advantages of B= GP to make segment routing easier to operate and maintain. For example, in = a network using BGP, the operators of the network with segment routing may = not need to deploy, operate and maintain PCEP (another protocol) for sendin= g the SIDs to the network elements from the centralized controller. Thus us= ing fewer protocols in a network may make the OAM on the network easier. [KT] If that is the argument for this draft, then please describe and discu= ss how you propose to answer the technical response to my arguments above (= highlighted in red this time). [HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy supports to send the instru= ctions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers. draft-wu-i= dr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions about SIDs = to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to other mechanisms, draft-iet= f-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an alternative way in which the in= structions about SR tunnels/paths are sent to network nodes from controller= s, draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext proposes an alternative way in w= hich the instructions about SIDs are sent to network nodes from controllers= . Some users may like the alternative ways in some cases. It may also make the segment routing applicable to more networks. In a netw= ork (such as a DC network) running BGP as the only routing protocol, there = is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any router of the network to dist= ribute the SIDs in the network. It may be hard to deploy or use segment rou= ting in this network. When BGP is extended to distribute the SIDs to their = corresponding network elements or routers, it may be easy for us to deploy = and use the segment routing in this network. For example, for a node SID al= located for a router by the centralized controller, the node SID can be eas= ily distributed to all the routers in the network through BGP=92s RR functi= on. Thus, the segment routing can be easily applicable to a network with on= ly BGP but without IGP. [KT] This is not just about adding TLVs and distributing them via BGP-LS. I= f DC network is your primary use-case, then please describe in more details= . E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on the network node when the B= GP-LS session flaps? [HC2]: DC network is one use case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal BGP p= rocedure should follow. Thanks, Ketan 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for a= llocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment routi= ng? No. SID, SRGB and related SR configuration elements are crucial for SR oper= ations and have yang models defined for the same. Many of these are initial= and one-time kind of config objects at router bring up. They are not suita= ble for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS. 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? No. 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? The flowspec aspect is separate and can be covered in a different draft. I = don=92t see the relation to SR SRGB and SID provisioning. 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? No. Not for this since it is attempting to take BGP-LS in a direction which= was not what it was intended for. 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? No. 6) Do you know of any early implementations? No. Thanks, Ketan From: Idr > On Behalf Of = Susan Hares Sent: 24 April 2019 19:54 To: 'li zhenqiang' >; idr@ietf.org Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' >; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-= vpn' > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Zhengquiang: This is a good question to raise during the adoption of an IDR draft. I hope that the authors of the draft and others will indicate why they desi= re the BGP-LS method of allocating the SIDs. As you are aware, the NETCONF= based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the allocation. BGP SHO= ULD run over an authenticated transport (MD5 or better yet TLS), but all BG= P peers within a network may not run over the secure transport. As a WG member, I realize that each network makes choices on allocating SID= s and their control path. Some of the reasons may not be able to be discl= osed on a public mailing list. However, it would be good for the authors t= o provide some reasons =93Why BGP-LS=94 for allocation. Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5= /2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call Hi Sue and All, Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the S= IDs representing network resources as proposed in https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.. However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not = PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from network,= other than configure network from a controller. Best Regards, Zhenqiang Li ________________________________ li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com From: Susan Hares Date: 2019-04-18 22:04 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2= 019] - 2 week WG adoption call This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocati= on-ext-02.txt. You can access the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/ In your comments, consider: 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs for= allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment rou= ting? 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? 6) Do you know of any early implementations? By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John an= d I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG= draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing BGP-LS= drafts. If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon adoption,= I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. Sue Hares PS =96 I=92m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the p= rocess in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or = John. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --_000_MN2PR13MB347070802A43B6A5504F41A0A3180MN2PR13MB3470namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,


    Thank you very much for your summary.
    We will revise the draft to address the issues according= ly.

Best Regards,
Huaimo
From: Susan Hares <share= s@ndzh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:06 PM
To: 'Huaimo Chen'
Cc: idr@ietf.org; 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn'; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr= -enhanced-vpn'
Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call
 

Huaimo and co-authors= :

 

It appears there is i= nterest in this solution, but that several issues need to be address from e= mails.  The summary is that a revised draft or two drafts (separated topology and provisioning).

 

Here are some issues = that the emails discussed:

1)      = removal of allocated SIDs (Robert Razuk),  

2)      = indicating aspects of allocation (dynamic, static, or mid-range) that requi= re this draft,  

3)      = aspects of control that require this draft instead of PCP,

4)      = when Yang should be used for allocation instead of this draft.

 

Would you spin a revi= sed draft(s) addressing the issues raised. 

 

After you send out th= e revised draft, we will do a second adoption call.  The interest in t= he drafts shows that you should work on the revised drafts so that the WG can examine the drafts.

 

Sue Hares  

 

From: Idr = [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huaimo Chen
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 11:07 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-en= hanced-vpn; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Robert,

 

Thank you for your comments and questions.

As you suggested, removing allocated SIDs can be done through using= MP_UNREACH. We will update the draft accordingly.

When the SIDs are allocated by a centralized place, there should no= t be SID conflict.

When a node does not accept a SID, something abnormal may happen an= d it should give some indication.

 

Best Regards,<= /p>

Huaimo

From: Ro= bert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:57 AM
To: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>
Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Susan Hares = <shares@ndzh.com>; li zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr= @ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ie= tf.org>; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-v= pn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Huaimo,

 

> draft-wu-idr-bgp= -segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions about SIDs to net= work nodes from controllers.  

 

How do you know that the node accepts such SID?&nb= sp; How do you know there is no SID conflict ? How do you remove allocated = SIDs (I assume by sending your new NLRIs in MP_UNREACH - but this is nowher= e stated in the draft) etc ... 

 

BGP is the worst mechanism for config push I can t= hink of. 

 

Just use any other freely available tools say as e= xample - ansible or chef and you will be much better off with such level of= network automation. In your DC use case such tools are already heavily use= d so it will make it even more consistent with existing DC operation. 

 

Best,

R.

 

 

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:58 AM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Ketan,<= /span>

 

Thank you for your comments.

My explanations are inline below with prefix [HC2].

 

Best Regar= ds,

Huaimo

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:16 AM
To: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>= ; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-en= hanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Huaimo,=

 

Please che= ck inline below for my responses.

 

From: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com>
Sent: 06 May 2019 20:35
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>= ;; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-en= hanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Ketan,<= /span>

 

Thank you for your comments.

My answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC].

 

Best Regar= ds,

Huaimo

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-en= hanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi Sue/All= ,

 

I concur w= ith Zhengquiang on the point that this draft proposes extension to BGP-LS w= hich alters the basic purpose of BGP-LS as stated in RFC7752. BGP-LS is about reporting topology and related information from the networ= k =96 the advertisements originating from routers/BGP Speakers and being us= ed by BGP-LS consumer applications (e.g. controller). It has never been abo= ut using it to provision routers from controllers =96 at least not yet.

 

[HC]: Refer to the response to Zhenqiang=92s email.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/gIMSF= eL0rmNjJy-3ySd1ygyOzyo

[KT]= I have just responded to that.

 

I had expr= essed these concerns at the mike at the IDR meeting in Prague in the contex= t of draft-chen-idr-bgp-srv6-sid-allocation and this draft is its equivalent for SR-MPLS. I don=92t think the WG should adopt either dra= fts.

 

The WG nee= ds to think long and hard if we want to use BGP as a provisioning tool (I a= m aware we are using BGP for Flowspec and SR Policies =96 but one can argue that those are in some sense signalling based on computation= /events by controllers). Here we are talking about pure play configuration = elements. We have other mechanisms being standardized at the IETF for this = purpose. We need to see strong arguments how provisioning = work flows (including day 0 bring up, failures, etc.) are handled and handl= ed better via BGP as opposed to mechanisms already standardized/deployed.

 

[HC]: draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP to distribute t= he SIDs to their corresponding network elements, which is similar to draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy =93Advertising Segment Routing= Policies in BGP=94 that uses BGP to distribute Segment Routing Policies to= their corresponding network elements.

[KT]= It is not. SR Policies are signalled based on various triggers from contro= llers =96 they are in that sense dynamic and changing. Also, it is being done by a separate AFI/SAFI in BGP =96 not BGP-LS.=

[HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from cont= rollers, they should be the same or similar. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing= -te-policy uses a separate AFI/SAFI. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext can be e= asily changed to use a new AFI/SAFI.

&nbs= p;

As said in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy, there are already= a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf and PCEP for this purpose, it specifies a way in which BGP may be used to distribut= e the Segment Routing Policies. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext des= cribes a way in which BGP may be used to distribute the SIDs.

[KT]= SRGB and SIDs are fundamental for enabling SR on the nodes in the network.= Most of these are day 0 provisioning when bringing/up and enabled SR. e.g. when you provision a loopback interface, you assign a SR Node SID= to it. This is not same as SR Policies.

[HC2]: In the sense of sending instructions to network nodes from cont= rollers, they should be the same or similar. In case of draft-ietf-idr-segm= ent-routing-te-policy, the  instructions for SR tunnels/paths may be sent to network nodes f= rom controllers. In case of draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext, the in= structions for SIDs may be sent to network nodes from controllers.

 

I do not think that draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext and draft-= ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy want to use BGP as a pure configuration tools. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext uses BGP and = some advantages of BGP to make segment routing easier to operate and mainta= in. For example, in a network using BGP, the operators of the network with = segment routing may not need to deploy, operate and maintain PCEP (another protocol) for sending the SIDs = to the network elements from the centralized controller. Thus using fewer p= rotocols in a network may make the OAM on the network easier.

[KT]= If that is the argument for this draft, then please describe and discuss h= ow you propose to answer the technical response to my arguments above (highlighted in red this time).

[HC2]: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy supports to send the i= nstructions about SR tunnels/paths to network nodes from controllers. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext supports to send the instructions = about SIDs to network nodes from controllers. Regarding to other mechanisms= , draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy provides an alternative way in w= hich the instructions about SR tunnels/paths are sent to network nodes from controllers, draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-alloc= ation-ext proposes an alternative way in which the instructions about SIDs = are sent to network nodes from controllers. Some users may like the alterna= tive ways in some cases.

 

It may also make the segment routing applicable to more networks. In a= network (such as a DC network) running BGP as the only routing protocol, there is not any IGP (OSPF or IS-IS) running on any router of th= e network to distribute the SIDs in the network. It may be hard to deploy o= r use segment routing in this network. When BGP is extended to distribute t= he SIDs to their corresponding network elements or routers, it may be easy for us to deploy and use the segment r= outing in this network. For example, for a node SID allocated for a router = by the centralized controller, the node SID can be easily distributed to al= l the routers in the network through BGP=92s RR function. Thus, the segment routing can be easily applicable to= a network with only BGP but without IGP.

[KT]= This is not just about adding TLVs and distributing them via BGP-LS. If DC= network is your primary use-case, then please describe in more details. E.g. what happens to the provisioning done on the network node wh= en the BGP-LS session flaps?

[HC2]: DC network is one use case. When a BGP session flaps, a normal = BGP procedure should follow.

&nbs= p;

Than= ks,

Keta= n

 

1)    Does this draft mechanisms for  extending BGP-LS to provide IDs= for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment= routing?

No. SID, SRGB and related SR configurat= ion elements are crucial for SR operations and have yang models defined for= the same. Many of these are initial and one-time kind of config objects at= router bring up. They are not suitable for BGP and even more so not for BGP-LS.

 

2)    Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?  =  

No.

 

3)    Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection? <= /p>

The flowspec aspect is separate and can= be covered in a different draft. I don=92t see the relation to SR SRGB and= SID provisioning.

 

4)    Do you support extending BGP-LS?

No. Not for this since it is attempting= to take BGP-LS in a direction which was not what it was intended for.

 

5)    Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?

No.

 

6)    Do you know of any early implementations?

No.

 

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 24 April 2019 19:54
To: 'li zhenqiang' <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn' <draft-ietf-teas-en= hanced-vpn@ietf.org>; 'draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn' <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanc= ed-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Zhengquian= g:

 

<wg-cha= ir hat on>

This is a = good question to raise during the adoption of an IDR draft.   

 

I hope tha= t the authors of the draft and others will indicate why they desire the BGP= -LS method of allocating the SIDs.  As you are aware, the NETCONF based mechanism utilize a secure transport during the allocation.&= nbsp; BGP SHOULD run over an authenticated transport (MD5 or better yet TLS= ), but all BGP peers within a network may not run over the secure transport= .

<wg-cha= ir hat off>

 

<wg-mem= ber hat on>

As a WG me= mber, I realize that each network makes choices on allocating SIDs and thei= r control path.   Some of the reasons may not be able to be disclosed on a public mailing list.  However, it would be good for th= e authors to provide some reasons =93Why BGP-LS=94 for allocation.

<wg-mem= ber hat off>

 

Sue Hares

 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 AM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn; draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

 

Hi S= ue and All,

&nbs= p;

Zhen= qiang Li from China Mobile. 

&nbs= p;

I se= e the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the SIDs = representing network resources as proposed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/= ..

&nbs= p;

Howe= ver, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP= or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from network, other than configure network from a controller.

&nbs= p;

Best= Regards,

Zhen= qiang Li

&nbs= p;

From: Susan Hares

Date: 2019-04-18 22:04=

Subject: [Idr] draft-wu-idr= -bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins = a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.tx= t.  You can access the draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr= -bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

 

In your comm= ents, consider:

 

1)      Does this draft mechanisms for  exte= nding BGP-LS to provide IDs for allocation provide a beneficial addition to= BGP mechanisms for segment routing?

2)      Is the mechanism well-formed enough to ad= opted as a WG draft?   

3)      Do you see any problems with using these = IDs for flow redirection?

4)      Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)      Should we provide an early allocation for= this technology?

6)      Do you know of any early implementations?

 

By answering= these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determin= e what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG draft.    Your answer will help us increase the speed of= processing BGP-LS drafts.   

 

If enough pe= ople indicate that they wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then= send this early allocation to Alvaro.  

 

Sue Hares

 

PS =96 I=92m= trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in ID= R WG.   Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

_______________________________________________ Idr mailing list
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Sue,<= /span>

 

 

  &nbs= p;           I am not awa= re of any IPR..

 

Thanks,

  &nbs= p;           Jim Uttaro

 

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:51 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt prior t= o WG LC

 

This begins an IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flows= pec-oid-08.txt.  The authors should respond to this email with an indi= cation of whether they know of any IPR.   Other WG members can al= so indicate if they know of an IPR as a 3rd party IPR statement.

 

I realize that the WG chairs have asked for IPR stat= ements during the adoption and the first WG LC on this document.  Howe= ver, in order to help assure our AD and the IESG that no undeclared IPR exi= sts, I am asking the authors to please send IPR statements.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing Authors : Stefano Previdi Ketan Talaulikar Clarence Filsfils Hannes Gredler Mach(Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-15.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-05-30 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by routing protocols e.g. by the link state routing protocols (IS-IS, OSPFv2 and OSPFv3) within IGP topologies. This document defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family in order to carry segment routing information via BGP. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu May 30 06:37:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB5E12014F for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DLAU9v5Il-i0 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 06:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8903120113 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.223.16; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Robert Raszuk'" Cc: "'idr@ietf. org'" References: <00b101d51699$4526dd80$cf749880$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 09:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01d516ec$ca7d9b60$5f78d220$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01D516CB.436BFB60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLF6U0Jr5OVUubv3kne0tqP6v0wqAGJAbASpJW7q2A= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190530-0, 05/30/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] 5/29/2018 IDR status updates X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 13:37:21 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01D516CB.436BFB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert: =20 Per requests of WG, the status is a change in status and NOT an = indication of importance. =20 =20 I=E2=80=99m hoping we=E2=80=99ll forward several drafts to Alvaro next = week (RFC5575bis, extended messages, bgp best path selection, and bgp = route optimization) next week. I=E2=80=99ve got some time to work on = the shepherd report this weekend. =20 =20 Would you watch for emails regarding the implementation report needs = over the weekend? =20 =20 Cheers, Sue=20 =20 =20 From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 4:31 AM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf. org Subject: Re: [Idr] 5/29/2018 IDR status updates =20 Hi Sue, =20 May I ask about the status of = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-1= 8 ?=20 =20 It passed WGLC, it has number of implementations, it did not change = since 2016 and yet we see it stuck ... can we please push it a little = forward ?=20 =20 Last year Nov 18th you indicated to take it over and complete review yet = we luckily have may 2019 now and nothing moved :) And you do not even = list it in your below great summary report. =20 Thx a lot, RR =20 =20 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:39 AM Susan Hares wrote: Status updates (changes only) from 5/2 to 5/29:=20 =20 The following drafts were adopted: =C2=B7 draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01..txt,=20 =C2=B7 draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt,=20 =C2=B7 draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt,=20 =C2=B7 draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt=20 =20 The adoption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 = indicated interest in the work, but additional work was needed prior to = adoption. After the authors spin another revision of the draft (or = drafts), a second WG. =20 =20 Drafts Past WG LC to IESG:=20 =C2=B7 John Scudder has determined that = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath to = pass to the IESG without all portions being implemented. John has = requested any comments regarding this point be sent to him by June 1st.=20 =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps has been revised (see = -12.txt). Since substantial text was edited after WG LC, a period of WG = review will be held until June 7th. At that time the document will be = sent to the IESG for publication.=20 =20 WG LCs: [6/1 to 6/14]=20 IPR polls have been started for the following three drafts:=20 =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08,=20 =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04, and=20 =C2=B7 draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.. =20 After all authors respond to the poll, these WG LC will begin. =20 =20 Early Allocations approved by WG:=20 1) draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04.txt,=20 2) draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt, 3) draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 =20 =20 Alvaro will review these early allocation requests.=20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01D516CB.436BFB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Robert:

 

Per requests of WG, the status is a change in status and NOT an = indication of importance. =C2=A0=C2=A0

 

I=E2=80=99m hoping we=E2=80=99ll forward several drafts to Alvaro = next week (RFC5575bis, =C2=A0extended messages, bgp best path selection, = and bgp route optimization) next week. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve = got some time to work on the shepherd report this weekend.=C2=A0 =

 

Would you watch for emails regarding the implementation report needs = over the weekend?=C2=A0

 

Cheers, =C2=A0Sue

 

 

From:= = Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Thursday, May = 30, 2019 4:31 AM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr@ietf. = org
Subject: Re: [Idr] 5/29/2018 IDR status = updates

 

Hi = Sue,

 

 

It passed WGLC, it has number of implementations, it = did not change since 2016 and yet we see it stuck ... can we please push = it a little forward ? 

 

Last year Nov 18th you indicated to take it over and = complete review yet we luckily have may 2019 now and nothing moved :) = And you do not even list it in your below great summary = report.

 

Thx a lot,

RR

 

 

On = Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:39 AM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

Status updates (changes only) from 5/2 to = 5/29:

 

The following drafts were = adopted:

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib-01= ..txt,

=C2=B7        = ; draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-03.txt, =

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt, =

=C2=B7        = ; draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-06.txt =

 

The adoption call for = draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02 indicated interest in the = work, but additional work was needed prior to adoption.  After the = authors spin another revision of the draft (or drafts), a second = WG. 

 

Drafts Past WG LC to IESG: =

=C2=B7        = ; John Scudder has determined = that draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-15.txt has enough implementation breath = to pass to the IESG without all portions being implemented. =   John has requested any comments regarding this point be sent = to him by June 1st.

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps = has been revised (see -12.txt).  Since substantial text was edited = after WG LC, a period of WG review will be held until June = 7th.  At that time the document will be sent to the IESG = for publication.

 

WG LCs:  [6/1 to 6/14] =

IPR polls have been started for the following = three drafts:

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08, =

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04, = and

=C2=B7        = ; draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05= ..   

After all authors respond to the poll, these = WG LC will begin. 

 

Early Allocations approved by WG: =

1)       = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04.txt, =

2)       = draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt,

3)       = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-06 =  

 

Alvaro will review these early allocation = requests.

 

Sue Hares

 

 

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I've just posted v15 of the draft to address your comments below. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing= -ext-15 Please also check inline below for more detailed response to all your comme= nts. -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Paul Wouters via Datatracker Sent: 23 May 2019 20:40 To: secdir@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext.= all@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-rou= ting-ext-14 Reviewer: Paul Wouters Review result: Has Issues Reviewer: Paul Wouters Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing= effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These com= ments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors= . Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. Note: I'm not a segment routing or BGP expert, so I might have misunderstoo= d some things. As far as I can understand the Security Considerations, it s= eems that it is adequately pointing to other documents and mentions, with s= olutions, new concerns raised by implememting this document. I do have a number of comments and suggested improvements for the tables an= d figures layout, and some questions about IANA registries. See below for details. Paul Section 2.1 Can the IANA registry be referenced here so the reader can easilly go to se= e the entire list of Node Attribute TLVs ? [KT] This is the entire list of new Node Attribute TLVs introduced in this = document. There is only a single IANA registry for all TLVs for BGP-LS - ba= sed on your further comments, I've updated the BGP-LS Registry name in the = IANA section 3. I don't think it is required to put IANA references all ove= r the document. FYI - the registry is at https://www.iana.org/assignments/b= gp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml=20 Section 2.1.1 I personally find Figures to have more readable with less -+-+-+-+ symbols = eg to change Figure 2 to: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ ~ SID/Label (variable) ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ [KT] When TLVs are drawn with a reference to a 32 bit scheme, I've always s= een the representation being made as is done in this document (I guess we s= ee the bits better when we do so!). E.g. BGP base spec RFC4271 or BGP-LS ba= se RFC7752 and tons of other RFCs. Note that since the SID/Label is a variable length, I used the "~" symbol as in common to donate that. And important in this case too, as I wa= s thinking it was a fixed size but reading the description found out it was= either 3 or 4 bytes. I see the document uses // for this elsewhere, which = is also okay. [KT] Agree. I've fixed the pictures to use // consistently in the figures f= or variable sizes. Type: 1161 I would write: Type: set to 1161 denoting a SID/Label Node Attribute [KT] This section describes the SID/Label Node TLV and so this is implied. = It goes similar for all other TLVs as well. Length: Either 3 or 4 depending whether [...] I find this language confusing. It suggests the Length field can be of size= 3 or 4, instead of saying the Length field value can be 3 or 4. [KT] The size of type and length fields are fixed in the protocol. It is al= so shown in the pictorial representation. What is being specified is the va= lue in both the cases so there should be no confusion for anyone familiar w= ith BGP/BGP-LS. then the 20 rightmost bits represent a label Should it be specified what to do with the 4 leftmost bits? Are they reserv= ed? used for something else ? [KT] Since the MPLS label is of size 20 bits, this field cannot have a valu= e greater than one represented by those 20 bits. The leftmost 4 bits would = therefore be 0. I have updated the text now to clarify this.=20 Section 2.1.2 I find the split Range Size vs / SID/Label confusing. The table is supposed= to give me an idea of the byte stream, but by being split it two it doesn'= t do that well. How about this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +---------------+---------------+-------------------------------+ | Flags | Reserved | Range Size, or | +---------------+---------------+ | ~ SID/Label sub-TLV ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ [KT] Please check the explanation in text below the figure. It is split int= o two because there can be one or more sets of "Range + SID/Label sub-TLV".= I have updated the figure to illustrate this better. I find this bit a little misleading in our way of writing it: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Range Size | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ // SID/Label sub-TLV (variable) // +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Because I don't think Range Size is really 20 bits and the next 4 bits can = be used for another payload. I assume those unspecified 4 bits are reserved= and set to 0? [KT] Range size is 3 octets - i.e. 24 bits. After that is the SID/Label sub= -TLV as described in sec 2.1.1. Type: 1034 I would write: Type: set to 1034 denoting an SR Capabilities Node Attribute Length: Variable. Minimum length is 12. Again, it find this confusing. The length field itself is not variable leng= th and has no minimum length of 12. I would write: Length: two octects in network order, specifying the length of the Range Size or SID/Label sub-TLV [KT] I've clarified in a previous comment and also updated the figure in th= e document to illustrate this better. Reserved: 1 octet that SHOULD be set to 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt. Why is that SHOULD not a MUST? [KT] Because it is ignored by the receiver. Also see further below for a si= milar comment. One or more entries, each of which have the following format: Is this really "one or more entries"? The table above does not show that at= all. Can we only have more entries of the same capabilities or can they be= mixed (eg one range size and two SID/Labels ??) If there is more than one = entry, how would one know whether these are RAnge Sizes or SID/Labels? If there is only one, then the Length denotes that implicitely. Since the SID/Label sub-TLV is used to indicate the first label of the SRGB range, only label encoding is valid under the SR Capabilities TLV. Does this mean the above "one or more entries" is actually restricted and m= eans "one or more rang sizes, followed by 0 or 1 SID/Labels" ? The ambiguity perceived means I can not fully deducate the field contents a= s it is currently specified. [KT] I hope the updated figure and my previous comment will help clarify.=20 Section 2.1.3 Similar remarks to the sections above here regarding the field descriptions= . I would enclose Algorithm 1, since 1 is the minimum and close the table, si= nce our content description does end (based on the Length field) 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Type | Length | +---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+ | Algorithm 1 | Algorithm... ~ Algorithm N ~ | +---------------+---- | ~ ~ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ [KT] I've updated the figure and the description. I hope it clarifies. Section 2.1.4 See my similar comments above. Additionally, one Range Size and SID label s= hould be added to the diagram unconditionally, as the minimum is one, and t= hen the block follows of optional additional blocks of range size plus SID/= Label. [KT] Updated the figure as in previous section. Section 2.1.5 See similar comments above. [KT] I do not understand this comment but please check the updated draft an= d if this is addressed. Section 2.2 These TLVs should only be added to [...] Should that "should" be a SHOULD (or MUST?) [KT] It was not intended to be normative. Section 2.2.1 See similar comments above that apply to this table and values. Here it is = even more important because Length appears even more variable because Flags= is described as a static "one octet". And then "weight" isn't given an octet size but the following Reserved field is. [KT] I've updated the weight field to indicate it's 1 octet size. Should the SHOULD in the reserved field description be a MUST ? Especially for reserved fields, I see no reason why it is not a MUST. If th= is is left unchecked by an implementation and possibly filled with bogus da= ta, while that will not break anything NOW, as the document also states "MU= ST ignore", but once any of these fields get defined in the future, it woul= d break. So it is better to dictate now to not leave it with potential garb= age values. [KT] This is something that has been used for reserved field and reserved b= its in many IETF RFCs/drafts that I've known. If an implementation is not f= ollowing the SHOULD and instead filing bogus data then it better have a goo= d reason to do so. Perhaps it might be using that reserved field for some p= urpose before it is officially allocated by IANA/IETF action? [The Following sections all have the same characteristics as the above ones= , so I won't mention these further in the review, but I think these should= be fixed similarly.] Section 2.2.3 This table seems to extend an existing table in what I hope is some kind of= IANA registry? Can that be referenced here? If there is no IANA registry o= f these, and this seems to extend a list of entries from RFC 7752 and RFC 8= 571, I would suggest this document creates that new IANA registry and popul= ates it with all those values. [KT] Please refer to my previous comment on IANA registry and the updated t= ext for IANA section in the new version. Also https://www.iana.org/assignme= nts/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml=20 Section 2.3 Similar here, should this be a new IANA Registry? [KT] Sec 3 explains the IANA aspects - there is no new registry being intro= duced. Section 2.3.4 If the Prefix NLRI is not considered a "normal routing prefix", what is it = considered as? What implications does that have? [KT] It is considered as a prefix used for the advertisement of the mapping= range. I've updated the text to clarify this. need to be interpreted accordingly Is that "need to" not a MUST ? or perhaps rephrase this as: The Flags field of this TLV are interpreted accordingly to the respective underlying IS-IS, OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 protocol. =20 [KT] Ack - will rephrase as suggested. Section 3 We normally don't say early code points were assigned. We just say what we request(ed) from IANA. Also, can the registies named be linked to IANA? [KT] These code points were actually assigned via early allocation process = and we've been asked to explicitly clarify the status of assignments as the= document progresses through the WG and IESG. I am not sure what you mean b= y "linked to IANA". Perhaps it was because we did not say that this is from= the BGP-LS Parameter's registry? If so, I've updated the text to indicate = this. "should be left empty" -> "is left empty"=20 [KT] Since this is the request for IANA action, the language is so. The table in Section 3.1 seems to extend an existing table/registry. Can it= be named and linked so the reader can jump the the IANA registry ? [KT] It is named and I've also updated to specifically indicate the BGP-LS = Parameter's top level registry. I've not seen URLs used thus, if that is wh= at you meant by "linked". NITS: Abstract: This draft -> This document [KT] Ack - fixed. Introduction: This sentence seems malformed: A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. [KT] Fixed. Replace "," with ";". or global within a domain. -> or a global semantic within a domain. [KT] Fixed. Within IGP topologies an SR path -> Within IGP topologies, an SR path [KT] Fixed. Use of "segement" vs "Segment" in the Introduction is inconsistent [KT] Fixed. Figure 1 describes -> Figure 1 denotes [KT] Fixed. then can -> can [KT] Fixed. Section 2.1.1 as a label or an index/SID. -> as a label or as an index/SID [KT] fixed. Section 2.2.1 The Protocol-ID of the BGP-LS Link NLRI should be used to determine the underlying protocol specification for parsing these fields. I would change the "should be" to an "is", as there is no chocie here. That= is how it is. Similar in other sections, such as 2.3.1 [KT] Fixed. Section 2.3.4 is considered as a normal routing -> is considered a normal routing [KT] Fixed. 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The authors have been discussing this and have agreed: OLD [RFC5575] defines a set of BGP routes that can be used to identify the packets in a given flow using fields in the header of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as extended communities, that can be used to disposition those packets. This document enables the use of RFC 5575 mechanisms by SFC Classifiers by defining a new action extended community called "Flow Spec for SFC classifiers" identified by the value TBD4. Note that other action extended communities may also be present. NEW [RFC5575] and [I-D.ietf-idr-rfc5575bis] define a set of BGP routes that can be used to identify the packets in a given flow using fields in the header of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as extended communities, that can be used to disposition those packets. This document enables the use of these mechanisms by SFC Classifiers by defining a new action extended community called "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers" identified by the value TBD4. Note that other action extended communities MUST NOT be present at the same time: the inclusion of the "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers" action extended community along with any other action MUST be treated as an error which SHOULD result in the Flow Specification UPDATE message being handled as Treat-as-withdraw according to [RFC7606] Section 2. END Best, Adrian From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: 02 May 2019 14:28 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 Greetings idr - To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will be sending out weekly status updates. Please let me know if these status updates are helpful. Cheerily, Sue Hares Status as of 5/2/2019 ------------- Drafts in adoption process: The following 3 drafts have no objections and solid reasons behind adoption. The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019. 1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] - 2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions - [4/18 - 5/2] 3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo - [4/16 - 4/30] 4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext - [4/18 - 5/2] - extended to 5/9 5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext - [5/2 to 5/16] The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared. Flow Specification drafts -------------------------- 1. Flow-specification base draft: RFC5575bis Please review John Scudder's call for input on the mail list regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for: a. packet rate in bytes, and b. error handling and future NLRI Flow-specification draft authors should update their documents to include RFC5575bis. These drafts include: 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt 2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt 3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt 4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect 5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset 6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label 7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10 I may have missed another flowpec draft. If so, would the authors please send me a note. I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. WG LC 1. RFC8203bis - [5/6 to 5/20] Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder) Early allocations calls ------------------------------ no objection noted in the emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation: 1. draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04 - 2. draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt - 3. draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in email. 4. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] Chairs/Shepherds Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3) 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares shepherd] 2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares shepherd] If you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and comments to the shepherd. The following drafts are undergoing active shepherd engagement 1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11 [John Scudder] 2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] ------=_NextPart_000_0392_01D516F7.38762E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,

 

Wrt your = item 1)b)7 on draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10…

 

The authors have been discussing this and have = agreed:

 

OLD

   [RFC5575] defines a set of BGP routes = that can be used to identify

   the packets in a given flow using = fields in the header of each

   packet, and a set of actions, encoded = as extended communities, that

   can be used to disposition those = packets.  This document enables the

   use of RFC 5575 mechanisms by SFC = Classifiers by defining a new

   action extended community called = "Flow Spec for SFC classifiers"

   identified by the value TBD4.  = Note that other action extended

   communities may also be = present.

NEW

    [RFC5575]  and = [I-D.ietf-idr-rfc5575bis] define a set of BGP routes

    that can be used to identify the = packets in a given flow using fields

    in the header of each packet, = and a set of actions, encoded as

    extended communities, that can = be used to disposition those

    packets.  This document = enables the use of these mechanisms by

    SFC Classifiers by defining a = new action extended community called

    "Flow Spec for SFC = Classifiers" identified by the value TBD4.  = Note

    that other = action extended communities MUST NOT be present at

    the same time: the inclusion of = the "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers"

    action extended community along = with any other action MUST be

    treated as an error which = SHOULD result in the Flow Specification

    UPDATE message being handled as = Treat-as-withdraw according to

    [RFC7606] Section = 2.

END

 

Best,

Adrian

 

From: Idr = <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: 02 May 2019 14:28
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Weekly status = 5/2/2019

 

Greetings idr –

 

To make sure IDR stays on track = until IETF 105, I will be sending out weekly status updates.  =  Please let me know if these status updates are helpful. =

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

 

Status as of 5/2/2019 =

-------------

Drafts in adoption process: =

   The following 3 drafts have no objections = and solid reasons behind adoption. 

    The chairs = will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019. =

 

  1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] = –   
  2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions –  [4/18 = – 5/2]
  3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo –  [4/16 = – 4/30]
  4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext – [4/18 = – 5/2]  - extended to 5/9
  5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext – [5/2 to = 5/16]

 

The authors of = wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start

a discussion to determine all = issues have been cleared.

 

Flow Specification = drafts

--------------------------

  1. Flow-specification base draft:  RFC5575bis =

   Please review John Scudder’s call = for input on the mail list

   regarding the 4 = implementation lack of support for:  

  1. packet rate in bytes, and
  2. error handling and future NLRI =

 

Flow-specification draft authors should update their = documents to include RFC5575bis.  

These drafts include: =

  1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt
    2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt<= li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo4'>draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt =
  2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect
    3. =
  3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset =
  4. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label
  5. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10

 

I may have missed another flowpec draft.  If so, would = the authors please send me a note.

I would like to start WG LC for = flow specification drafts on May 5th. =

 

WG LC

  1. RFC8203bis – [5/6 to 5/20] =  

Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder) =

  =  

Early allocations calls

------------------------------

no objection noted in the emails, = these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation: =

  1. draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04  - =  
  2. draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt   – =   
  3. draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution  

 

Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in = email.

  1. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to = 5/14/2019]

 

 

Chairs/Shepherds

Shepherd write-ups pending (watch = for email on 5/3)

  1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares = shepherd]
  2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares = shepherd]

 

If you have any final comments, please send implementation = reports and comments to the shepherd.

 

The following drafts are undergoing = active shepherd engagement

  1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11  [John = Scudder]
  2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] =

 

 

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR. Regards, /dave From: Susan Hares Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:51 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid@ietf.org Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt prior to WG LC This begins an IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt. The au= thors should respond to this email with an indication of whether they know = of any IPR. Other WG members can also indicate if they know of an IPR as = a 3rd party IPR statement. I realize that the WG chairs have asked for IPR statements during the adopt= ion and the first WG LC on this document. However, in order to help assure= our AD and the IESG that no undeclared IPR exists, I am asking the authors= to please send IPR statements. Cheerily, Sue Hares --_000_SN6PR11MB32154225E21A45E01A0E42A9A5180SN6PR11MB3215namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not aware of any IPR.

 

Regards,

 

/dave

 

 

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:51 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-08.txt prior t= o WG LC

 

This begins an IPR call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flows= pec-oid-08.txt.  The authors should respond to this email with an indi= cation of whether they know of any IPR.   Other WG members can al= so indicate if they know of an IPR as a 3rd party IPR statement.

 

I realize that the WG chairs have asked for IPR stat= ements during the adoption and the first WG LC on this document.  Howe= ver, in order to help assure our AD and the IESG that no undeclared IPR exi= sts, I am asking the authors to please send IPR statements.

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

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This text provides very error handling. Sue From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:52 AM To: 'Susan Hares'; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 Hi Sue, Wrt your item 1)b)7 on draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10. The authors have been discussing this and have agreed: OLD [RFC5575] defines a set of BGP routes that can be used to identify the packets in a given flow using fields in the header of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as extended communities, that can be used to disposition those packets. This document enables the use of RFC 5575 mechanisms by SFC Classifiers by defining a new action extended community called "Flow Spec for SFC classifiers" identified by the value TBD4. Note that other action extended communities may also be present. NEW [RFC5575] and [I-D.ietf-idr-rfc5575bis] define a set of BGP routes that can be used to identify the packets in a given flow using fields in the header of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as extended communities, that can be used to disposition those packets. This document enables the use of these mechanisms by SFC Classifiers by defining a new action extended community called "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers" identified by the value TBD4. Note that other action extended communities MUST NOT be present at the same time: the inclusion of the "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers" action extended community along with any other action MUST be treated as an error which SHOULD result in the Flow Specification UPDATE message being handled as Treat-as-withdraw according to [RFC7606] Section 2. END Best, Adrian From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: 02 May 2019 14:28 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Weekly status 5/2/2019 Greetings idr - To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will be sending out weekly status updates. Please let me know if these status updates are helpful. Cheerily, Sue Hares Status as of 5/2/2019 ------------- Drafts in adoption process: The following 3 drafts have no objections and solid reasons behind adoption. The chairs will be reviewing these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019. 1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] - 2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions - [4/18 - 5/2] 3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo - [4/16 - 4/30] 4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext - [4/18 - 5/2] - extended to 5/9 5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext - [5/2 to 5/16] The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should start a discussion to determine all issues have been cleared. Flow Specification drafts -------------------------- 1. Flow-specification base draft: RFC5575bis Please review John Scudder's call for input on the mail list regarding the 4 implementation lack of support for: a. packet rate in bytes, and b. error handling and future NLRI Flow-specification draft authors should update their documents to include RFC5575bis. These drafts include: 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt 2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt 3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt 4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect 5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset 6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label 7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10 I may have missed another flowpec draft. If so, would the authors please send me a note. I would like to start WG LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. WG LC 1. RFC8203bis - [5/6 to 5/20] Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John Scudder) Early allocations calls ------------------------------ no objection noted in the emails, these will be forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation: 1. draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04 - 2. draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt - 3. draft draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution Early allocation call in progress, but some questions in email. 4. draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to 5/14/2019] Chairs/Shepherds Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3) 1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares shepherd] 2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares shepherd] If you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and comments to the shepherd. The following drafts are undergoing active shepherd engagement 1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11 [John Scudder] 2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01D516DA.8E8CEE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Adrian:

 

Thank you for this = change to the draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane in version -10.txt. =  This text provides very error handling.

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, = May 30, 2019 9:52 AM
To: 'Susan Hares'; = idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] Weekly status = 5/2/2019

 

Hi Sue,

 

Wrt your item 1)b)7 on = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10…

 

The authors = have been discussing this and have agreed:

 

OLD

   [RFC5575] defines a set of BGP routes that can = be used to identify

   the packets in a given flow using fields in = the header of each

   packet, and a set of actions, encoded as = extended communities, that

   can be used to = disposition those packets.  This document enables = the

   use of RFC 5575 mechanisms by SFC Classifiers = by defining a new

   action extended community called "Flow = Spec for SFC classifiers"

   identified by the = value TBD4.  Note that other action = extended

   communities may also be = present.

NEW

    [RFC5575]  and = [I-D.ietf-idr-rfc5575bis] define a set of BGP = routes

    that can be used to identify the packets = in a given flow using fields

    in the header = of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as

    extended = communities, that can be used to disposition = those

    packets.  This document enables the = use of these mechanisms by

    SFC = Classifiers by defining a new action extended community = called

    "Flow Spec for SFC = Classifiers" identified by the value TBD4.  = Note

    that other action extended communities = MUST NOT be present at

    the same = time: the inclusion of the "Flow Spec for SFC = Classifiers"

    action extended community along with any = other action MUST be

    treated as an error which SHOULD = result in the Flow Specification

    UPDATE = message being handled as Treat-as-withdraw according = to

    [RFC7606] Section = 2.

END

 

Best,

Adrian

 

From: Idr = <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: 02 May 2019 14:28
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Weekly status = 5/2/2019

 

Greetings = idr –

 

To make sure IDR stays on track until IETF 105, I will = be sending out weekly status updates.   Please let me know if = these status updates are helpful.

 

Cheerily, = Sue Hares

 

Status as of 5/2/2019

-------------

Drafts in adoption process:

   The following 3 drafts have no = objections and solid reasons behind adoption. 

    The chairs will be reviewing = these drafts and send out comments on 5/3/2019.

 

  1. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attrib [4/16-4/30] – =   
  2. draft-li-idr-bgpls-ls-sbfd-extensions –  [4/18 = – 5/2]
  3. draft-ketant-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo –  [4/16 = – 4/30]
  4. draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext – [4/18 = – 5/2]  - extended to 5/9
  5. draft-dawra-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext – [5/2 to 5/16] =

 

The authors of wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation should = start

a discussion to determine all = issues have been cleared.

 

Flow = Specification drafts

--------------------------

1.       = Flow-specification base = draft:  RFC5575bis

   Please review John Scudder’s = call for input on the mail list

   regarding the 4 implementation lack = of support for:  

a.       = packet rate in bytes, and =

b.      = error handling and future = NLRI

 

Flow-specification draft authors should update their = documents to include RFC5575bis.  

These drafts include: =

  1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid.txt
  2. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-09.txt
  3. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-04.txt
  4. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect
  5. draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset
  6. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label
  7. draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-10

 

I may have = missed another flowpec draft.  If so, would the authors please send = me a note.

I would like to start WG = LC for flow specification drafts on May 5th. =

 

WG LC

  1. RFC8203bis – [5/6 to 5/20]  

Status: Awaiting IPR statement (from John = Scudder)

  =  

Early allocations calls =

------------------------------

no objection noted in the emails, these will be = forward to Alvaro and IANA for early allocation:

1.       = draft-ietf-idr-nvo3-flowspec-04  - =  

2.       = draft-ietf-idr-l2vpn-09.txt   – =   

3.       = draft = draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution  

 

Early = allocation call in progress, but some questions in email. =

4.       = draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy [4/30 to = 5/14/2019]

 

 

Chairs/Shepherds

Shepherd write-ups pending (watch for email on 5/3) =

  1. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 [Sue Hares = shepherd]
  2. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria [Sue Hares = shepherd]

 

If = you have any final comments, please send implementation reports and = comments to the shepherd.

 

The = following drafts are undergoing active shepherd = engagement

  1. draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-11  [John = Scudder]
  2. draft-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection [John Scudder] =

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear authors,

 

I have read this document and found that some text m= ay have questions.

 

#1

4.2.9.  Type 9 - TCP flags
 
=A1=AD
    0   1   2   3 &n=
bsp; 4   5   6   7
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---&=
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   | e | a |  len  | 0 | 0 |not| m |

   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---&=
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      Bitmask format


[Shunwan]  The =A1=B0Bitmask format=A1=B1 here =
should be =A1=B0Bitmask operand format=A1=B1 .


 


 


#2


4.2.10.  Type 10 - Packet length

 


      Encoding:<type (1 octet)=
, [op, bitmask]+>


[Shunwan]  
The =A1=B0bitmask=A1=B1 here should be =A1=B0value=A1=B1.=



 


 


Please correct me if I didn't understand it correctl=
y, thank you=A3=A1=



 


Best regards,


Shunwan
--_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BAA1E0NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Fri May 31 00:34:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2701200B7; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char E2 hex): X-Spam-Report: ...thru it 20+ times already\342\200\246 - especially[...] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1VQaiRUw4Ss; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hated.at (mail.hated.at [IPv6:2001:858:2:8::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B5B812001B; Fri, 31 May 2019 00:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 212-183-70-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at ([212.183.70.86] helo=[192.168.88.17]) by mail.hated.at with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1hWbyS-0001nJ-10; Fri, 31 May 2019 09:29:12 +0200 From: Christoph Loibl Message-Id: <632FC5AB-96BC-4F66-8D24-1D07ED429273@tix.at> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B8C47BA6-8113-4BB5-8CD2-F8FC32AE6CF1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 09:34:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BAA1E0@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" To: Zhuangshunwan References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BAA1E0@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Comments on draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 07:34:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B8C47BA6-8113-4BB5-8CD2-F8FC32AE6CF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Shunwan, Thanks very much for pointing that out (I was reading thru it 20+ times = already=E2=80=A6 - especially #2 is something that I should have spottet = earlier ;-) #1: I think the text is rather clear here.=20 Compared with section 4.3.2 (Numeric operator) the text under the table = should actually say =E2=80=9CBitmask Operator=E2=80=9D. #2: You are right. The text is fine so far and even the encoding is = clear but it *really* should say =E2=80=9Cvalue=E2=80=9D not = =E2=80=9Cbitmask=E2=80=9D. I will upload those editorial changes today. Cheers Christoph --=20 Christoph Loibl c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at > On 31.05.2019, at 08:28, Zhuangshunwan = wrote: >=20 > Dear authors, > =20 > I have read this document and found that some text may have questions. > =20 > #1 > 4.2.9. Type 9 - TCP flags > =20 > =E2=80=A6 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | e | a | len | 0 | 0 |not| m | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > =20 > Bitmask format > [Shunwan] The =E2=80=9CBitmask format=E2=80=9D here should be = =E2=80=9CBitmask operand format=E2=80=9D . > =20 > =20 > #2 > 4.2.10. Type 10 - Packet length > =20 > Encoding: > [Shunwan] The =E2=80=9Cbitmask=E2=80=9D here should be =E2=80=9Cvalue=E2= =80=9D. > =20 > =20 > Please correct me if I didn't understand it correctly, thank you=EF=BC=81= > =20 > Best regards, > Shunwan > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr = --Apple-Mail=_B8C47BA6-8113-4BB5-8CD2-F8FC32AE6CF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Shunwan,

Thanks very = much for pointing that out (I was reading thru it 20+ times already=E2=80=A6= - especially #2 is something that I should have spottet earlier = ;-)

#1: I = think the text is rather clear here. 

Compared with section 4.3.2 (Numeric = operator) the text under the table should actually say =E2=80=9CBitmask = Operator=E2=80=9D.

#2: You are right. The text is fine so far and even the = encoding is clear but it *really* should say =E2=80=9Cvalue=E2=80=9D not = =E2=80=9Cbitmask=E2=80=9D.

I will upload those editorial changes today.

Cheers = Christoph

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On 31.05.2019, at 08:28, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear = authors,
 
I have read this document and found that some text may have = questions.
 
#1
4.2.9.  Type 9 - TCP flags
 
=E2=80=A6=

    0   1   2   =
3   4   5   6   7
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   | e | a |  len  | 0 | 0 |not| m |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
 
      Bitmask format
[Shunwan]  The =E2=80=9CBitmask format=E2=80=9D here = should be =E2=80=9CBitmask operand format=E2=80=9D .
 
 
#2
4.2.10.  Type 10 - Packet length
 
      Encoding:<type = (1 octet), [op, bitmask]+>
[Shunwan]  The = =E2=80=9Cbitmask=E2=80=9D here should be =E2=80=9Cvalue=E2=80=9D.
 
 
Please = correct me if I didn't understand it correctly, thank you=EF=BC=81<= o:p class=3D"">
 
Best = regards,
Shunwan
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(Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There is the following statement on the applicability of this approach in the security consideration section: “The SR traffic engineering policies using the SIDs advertised via BGP-LS are expected to be used entirely within this trusted SR domain (e.g. between multiple AS/ domains within a single provider network). Therefore, precaution is necessary to ensure that the SR information advertised via BGP-LS sessions is limited to consumers in a secure manner within this trusted SR domain.” As this is every essential to the scope of the document I would like to see this earlier in the document, e.g. in the intro, and own applicability section, or even in the abstract. One additional comment on the shepherd write-up: I find the write-up a bit confusing but I assume that this document has wg consensus, even though it might be rough. There is a request to the IESG to make a judgment if this approach should be taken forward in general. However, if there are no technical or security concerns here and there is wg consensus, I don’t think I understand this request; expect this is not seen as covered by the charter, however, I don’t think this is indicated in the shepherd write-up. 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X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:19:32 +0200 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org" , Susan Hares , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <155929607688.6602.7399415179534572381.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1559305178;bfde5f9a; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hWgVR-0002BN-Pn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-15=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:19:41 -0000 Hi Ketan, There are two points that I think could be made more clear in the = introduction:=20 a) that the use case is e.g. "between multiple AS/domains within a = single provider network=E2=80=9D -> Talk about the need of trust between = these domain would be good. b) A warning about the consequences if these information lease the = trusted domain. Thanks! Mirja > On 31. May 2019, at 12:35, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > Thanks for your review and your comments.=20 >=20 > Regarding your first comment, we have the following text in the = Introduction section that describes the use-case/applicability that you = are referring to in the Security Considerations. >=20 > Segment Routing (SR) allows advertisement of single or multi-hop > paths. The flooding scope for the IGP extensions for Segment = routing > is IGP area-wide. Consequently, the contents of a Link State > Database (LSDB) or a Traffic Engineering Database (TED) has the = scope > of an IGP area and therefore, by using the IGP alone it is not = enough > to construct segments across multiple IGP Area or AS boundaries. >=20 > The flooding scope for the IGP extensions for Segment routing > is IGP area-wide. Consequently, the contents of a Link State > Database (LSDB) or a Traffic Engineering Database (TED) has the = scope > of an IGP area and therefore, by using the IGP alone it is not = enough > to construct segments across multiple IGP Area or AS boundaries. >=20 > This document describes extensions to BGP-LS to advertise the SR > information. An external component (e.g., a controller) can collect > SR information from across an SR domain (as described in [RFC8402]) > and construct the end-to-end path (with its associated SIDs) that > need to be applied to an incoming packet to achieve the desired end- > to-end forwarding. The SR domain may be comprised of a single AS or > multiple ASes. >=20 > Please let know any suggestions for the same or anything that needs = further elaboration. >=20 > I will let Sue clarify on the shepherd's report. My impression was = that many of the concerns raised were not specific to this particular = BGP-LS extension but in general on BGP-LS itself. There has been a lot = of discussions in the WG on this topic and work is ongoing to address = some of those challenges based on our experience with BGP-LS = deployments. One such effort is draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis. That said, = all concerns raised specifically on this BGP-LS extension during the = WGLC and follow-on reviews have been addressed AFAIK to achieve = consensus. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker =20 > Sent: 31 May 2019 15:18 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org; Susan Hares = ; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = shares@ndzh.com; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-15: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-15: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext= / >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > There is the following statement on the applicability of this approach = in the security consideration section: >=20 > =E2=80=9CThe SR traffic engineering > policies using the SIDs advertised via BGP-LS are expected to be = used > entirely within this trusted SR domain (e.g. between multiple AS/ > domains within a single provider network). Therefore, precaution is > necessary to ensure that the SR information advertised via BGP-LS > sessions is limited to consumers in a secure manner within this > trusted SR domain.=E2=80=9D >=20 > As this is every essential to the scope of the document I would like = to see this earlier in the document, e.g. in the intro, and own = applicability section, or even in the abstract. >=20 > One additional comment on the shepherd write-up: > I find the write-up a bit confusing but I assume that this document = has wg consensus, even though it might be rough. There is a request to = the IESG to make a judgment if this approach should be taken forward in = general. However, if there are no technical or security concerns here = and there is wg consensus, I don=E2=80=99t think I understand this = request; expect this is not seen as covered by the charter, however, I = don=E2=80=99t think this is indicated in the shepherd write-up. >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri May 31 05:20:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B236F12001E; Fri, 31 May 2019 05:20:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155930520765.6513.5634244678175036755@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 05:20:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-16.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:20:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules Authors : Christoph Loibl Susan Hares Robert Raszuk Danny McPherson Martin Bacher Filename : draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-16.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2019-05-31 Abstract: This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format that can be used to distribute traffic Flow Specifications. This allows the routing system to propagate information regarding more specific components of the traffic aggregate defined by an IP destination prefix. It specifies IPv4 traffic Flow Specifications via a BGP NLRI which carries traffic Flow Specification filter, and an Extended community value which encodes actions a routing system can take if the packet matches the traffic flow filters. The flow filters and the actions are processed in a fixed order. Other drafts specify IPv6, MPLS addresses, L2VPN addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP addresses. This document obsoletes RFC5575 and RFC7674 to correct unclear specifications in the flow filters. Applications which use the bgp Flow Specification are: 1) application which automate inter-domain coordination of traffic filtering, such as what is required in order to mitigate (distributed) denial-of- service attacks; 2) applications which control traffic filtering in the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service, and 3) applications with centralized control of traffic in a SDN or NFV context. Some deployments of these three applications can be handled by the strict ordering of the BGP NLRI traffic flow filters, and the strict actions encoded in the extended community Flow Specification actions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <155727853569.24448.9507895233766805978@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 18:22:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-10.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 01:22:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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A lot of things is possible - but it does not make it automatically a good idea. For this discussion can we at least rename the feature to *BGP-PT* (BGP-Provisioning Tool) to at very min reflect the intent. And yes get new SAFI for it ... why not. Best regards, R. On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Robin, Huaimo, > > > > I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs spaces. > In the case of the Flow-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, these AFs > were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if we are > going to expand the original purpose of BGP-LS to include provisioning, w= e > should have some compelling technical reasons to repurpose it. One reason > not to do it is that it adds yet another source of truth for configuratio= n. > With each source one adds more complexity to the implementations. > > > > As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allocation > relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. For > example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could > reference Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on the preference of Flow-Spec data = from > multiple sources as a good example. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > > > *From: *Idr on behalf of Robin Li < > lizhenbin@huawei.com> > *Date: *Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM > *To: *li zhenqiang , Susan Hares < > shares@ndzh.com>, IDR List > *Cc: *draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn , > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > *Subject: *Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Zhenqiang, > > Please refer to my reply inline. > > > > Best Regards, > > Zhenbin (Robin) > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *li zhenqiang > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM > *To:* Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn ; > draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 > - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > > > Hi Sue and All, > > > > Zhenqiang Li from China Mobile. > > > > I see the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the > SIDs representing network resources as proposed in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. > > > > However, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, no= t > PCEP or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from networ= k, > other than configure network from a controller. > > [Robin] > > 1. To be honest, there is much concern about the standardization process, > inter-operability, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to think > about the other option. Just like topology collection, there existed the > way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info from the > network, later BGP-LS was proposed. > > 2. There is already PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Refe= r > to PCECC work proposed by > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-02). But > there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult to introduce o= ne > more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network > operation and maintenance. That is the reason why we introduced the BGP > extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the possible complexity. > > 3. For the possible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can > be other way such as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the > BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collect info of > all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it is only = to > define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the controller t= o > the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BGP-LS will be > reused without any change. If use other ways, there has to define some ne= w > TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the transition from the corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLV= s > to the new TLVs/Sub-TLVs. But the option is open. We would like to solici= t > comments from BGPers. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Zhenqiang Li > ------------------------------ > > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > *From:* Susan Hares > > *Date:* 2019-04-18 22:04 > > *To:* idr@ietf.org > > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4/18 - > 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for > draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt. You can access the draft > at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/ > > > > In your comments, consider: > > > > 1) Does this draft mechanisms for extending BGP-LS to provide IDs > for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segmen= t > routing? > > 2) Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft? > > 3) Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow > redirection? > > 4) Do you support extending BGP-LS? > > 5) Should we provide an early allocation for this technology? > > 6) Do you know of any early implementations? > > > > By answering these questions during WG Adoption call, you will help John > and I determine what issues need to be considered prior to finalizing thi= s > WG draft. Your answer will help us increase the speed of processing > BGP-LS drafts. > > > > If enough people indicate that they wish an early allocation upon > adoption, I will then send this early allocation to Alvaro. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help = speed up the > process in IDR WG. Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me = or > John. > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000004993c305885710d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acee,
> I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provisi= on these SIDs spaces.

A lot of things is possi= ble - but it does not make it automatically a good idea.=C2=A0
For this discussion can we at least rename the feature to B= GP-PT (BGP-Provisioning Tool) to at very min reflect the intent. And ye= s get new SAFI for it ... why not.=C2=A0

Best rega= rds,
R.


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On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM Acee = Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hi Robin, Huaimo,

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I agree that it is possible to use BGP-LS to provision these SIDs= spaces. In the case of the Flow-Spec and SR TE Policy Address Families, th= ese AFs were conceived for the purpose of dynamic provisioning. Now, if we are going to expand the original purpo= se of BGP-LS to include provisioning, we should have some compelling techni= cal reasons to repurpose it. One reason not to do it is that it adds yet an= other source of truth for configuration. =C2=A0With each source one adds more complexity to the implementations.

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As Ketan commented, you will need to define the life the SID allo= cation relative to both the BGP-LS session and the network device state. Fo= r example, is it ephemeral similar to the I2RS data store? You could reference Sue=E2=80=99s presentation on = the preference of Flow-Spec data from multiple sources as a good example.

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Thanks,

Acee

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Robin Li &= lt;lizhenbin@huaw= ei.com>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:37 PM
To: li zhenqiang <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, IDR Lis= t <idr@ietf.org>= ;
Cc: draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn <draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn@ie= tf.org>, draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn <draft-dong-lsr-sr-enha= nced-vpn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

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Hi Zhenqiang,<= /span>

Please refer t= o my reply inline.

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Best Regards,<= /span>

Zhenbin (Robin= )

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of li zhenqiang
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:51 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt [4= /18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

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Hi Su= e and All,

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Zhenq= iang Li from China Mobile.=C2=A0

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I see= the value to allocate SIDs in a centralized way, especially for the SIDs r= epresenting network resources as proposed in=C2=A0https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn/ and=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-l= sr-sr-enhanced-vpn/.

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Howev= er, I want to know why BGP-LS is chosen to to complete this work, not PCEP = or netconf? BGP-LS is mainly used to collect information from network, other than configure network from a controller.

[Robin]=

1. To be hones= t, there is much concern about the standardization process, inter-operabili= ty, performance on Netconf/YANG. It is necessary to think about the other option. Just like topology collection, there exis= ted the way to use SNMP/MIB or Netconf/YANG to collect topology info from t= he network, later BGP-LS was proposed.

2. There is al= ready PCE work to allocate SID in the centralized way (Refer to PCECC work = proposed by https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cas= es-02). But there truly exists the BGP-only scenarios. It is difficult = to introduce one more control protocol which may increase the complexity of network operation and maintenance. That is the reason wh= y we introduced the BGP extension to allocate SID which also can reduce the= possible complexity.

3. For the pos= sible methods of BGP extensions for the purpose, there can be other way suc= h as introducing a new AFI/SAFI, etc. But we think the BGP-LS extension may be the easiest way. Since BGP-LS can collec= t info of all kinds of SIDs from the network devices to the controller, it = is only to define a TLV/Sub-TLV to indicate the SID allocation from the con= troller to the network devices. All the existing TLV/Sub-TLV using by BGP-LS will be reused without any ch= ange. If use other ways, there has to define some new TLVs/Sub-TLVs or the = transition from the corresponding BGP-LS TLV/Sub-TLVs to the new TLVs/Sub-T= LVs. But the option is open. We would like to solicit comments from BGPers.

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Best = Regards,

Zhenq= iang Li

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From:=C2=A0Susan Hares

Date:=C2=A02019-04-18=C2=A022:04

To:=C2=A0idr@= ietf.org

Subject:=C2=A0[Idr] draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.= txt [4/18 - 5/2/2019] - 2 week WG adoption call

This begins a 2 week WG A= doption call for draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt.=C2=A0 You = can access the draft at:

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ex= t/

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In your comments, conside= r:

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1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Does this draft mechanisms for =C2=A0extending BGP-LS to provide IDs = for allocation provide a beneficial addition to BGP mechanisms for segment = routing?

2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the mechanism well-formed enough to adopted as a WG draft?=C2=A0 = =C2=A0

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you see any problems with using these IDs for flow redirection?

4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you support extending BGP-LS?

5)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should we provide an early allocation for this technology?

6)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you know of any early implementations?

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By answering these questi= ons during WG Adoption call, you will help John and I determine what issues= need to be considered prior to finalizing this WG draft. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Your answer will help us increase the spe= ed of processing BGP-LS drafts.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

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If enough people indicate= that they wish an early allocation upon adoption, I will then send this ea= rly allocation to Alvaro. =C2=A0

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Sue Hares

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PS =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m = trying new methods of WG adoption calls to help speed up the process in IDR= WG.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please send any thoughts on these new methods to me or John.

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