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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 16:04:11 -0000 --_000_MN2PR13MB3582020B762959BB57A80CD185F90MN2PR13MB3582namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing IPSEC related drafts in = IETF105. I have hard conflict for Friday July 26. Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday during IETF105? Thank you very much. Linda Dunbar From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts Greetings: At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in draft-ietf-= idr-tunnel-encaps. After hearing all the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I= 2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with the following Drafts considered: * draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, * draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, * draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: * draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt * draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt * draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt Basic topologies: Ipsec tunnels [rtrA] -------------------- [rtrB] | \ / | | \ -- RR1 -------/ | ipsec tunnels | / -----| |------\ | [rtrC]------------------- [rtrD] The decision is that * TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps sho= uld be moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. * All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions. * The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depend= ing on what is appropriate). * The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we w= ill try to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can= help the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms= . * We'd love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and some= one from IPSECME. * We'll invite IPSEC experts. * We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in= IETF 105 and present their security-association mechanisms. * The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can b= e requested as IDR or ISE draft. This email has two request: * WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares, * The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparat= ion for the TLV selection, and * Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session. Susan Hares --_000_MN2PR13MB3582020B762959BB57A80CD185F90MN2PR13MB3582namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing I= PSEC related drafts in IETF105.

I have hard conflict for Friday July 26.<= /p>

 

Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday dur= ing IETF105?

 

Thank you very much.

 

Linda Dunbar

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM
To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts

 

Greetings:

 

At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking = for TLVS in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.    After hearing a= ll the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do wi= th the following

 

Drafts considered:

  • draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt,
  • draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt,
  • draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt

relating drafts/ Supporting drafts:

  • draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt
  • draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt
  • draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt

Basic topologies:

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Ipsec tunnels  

     [rtrA] ---------------= ----- [rtrB]

         |&n= bsp;    \        &nb= sp;            =       /      | 

        &nbs= p;|       \ -- RR1 -------/   =   | ipsec tunnels

        &nbs= p;|    / -----| |------\      =    |

     [rtrC]------------------- [= rtrD]

 

 

The decision is that

  • TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps should be= moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. 
    • All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions.<= /li>
    • The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depending on wh= at is appropriate).
  • The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we will tr= y to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can help = the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms. = ;
    • We’d love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and someone= from IPSECME.
    • We’ll invite IPSEC experts.
    • We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in IETF 105= and present their security-association mechanisms.
  • The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can be requ= ested as IDR or ISE draft.

This email has two request:

  • WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares,
    • The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation fo= r the TLV selection, and
  • Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session.

 

Susan Hares

 

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From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:41 AM To: Susan Hares ; draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis (4/30/2019 to 5/7/201= 9) I know of no IPR related to this. Regards, Jakob. From: Susan Hares > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:26 AM To: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Subject: Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis (4/30/2019 to 5/7/2019) Greetings: This begins an IPR call for the authors of draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis in pre= paration for a WG LC. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis/ If you are an author or contributor to this draft, please respond to this e= mail with an indication of whether you know of any IPR. Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_BYAPR11MB37516264571D95F27D75D1BDC0F90BYAPR11MB3751namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+idr

 

Regards,

Jakob.

 

From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:41 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@i= etf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis (4/30/2019 to = 5/7/2019)

 

I know of no IPR related to this.=

 

Regards,

Jakob.

 

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:26 AM
To: draft-ietf= -idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf= -idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
Subject: Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis (4/30/2019 to 5/7/= 2019)

 

Greetings:

 

This begins an IPR call for the authors of draft-iet= f-idr-rfc8203bis in preparation for a WG LC.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203= bis/

 

If you are an author or contributor to this draft, p= lease respond to this email with an indication of whether you know of any I= PR.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 18:14:40 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing IPSEC related drafts in IETF105. > > I have hard conflict for Friday July 26. > > Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday during IETF105? I'm around all week, so happy to meet up on one of the other days. 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X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 19:25:00 -0000 Me too. If it doesn=E2=80=99t collide with ACME, I2NSF, LAKE, IPSECME, = or TLS I=E2=80=99m around. > On 1 Jul 2019, at 21:14, Paul Wouters wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Linda Dunbar wrote: >=20 >> Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing IPSEC related = drafts in IETF105. >> I have hard conflict for Friday July 26. >> Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday during IETF105? >=20 > I'm around all week, so happy to meet up on one of the other days. >=20 > Paul From nobody Mon Jul 1 13:03:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6E51200E0; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eo1Atp_PZ3Bd; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D9E71200CE; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=97.112.31.69; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Yoav Nir'" , "'Paul Wouters'" Cc: , "'Linda Dunbar'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004501d53048$0a9e6930$1fdb3b90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFdmvS0Uk71lRUKII0Igc1FDWnxpAOJx1HEAT7F77unfxUPMA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190701-4, 07/01/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Can we have the IPSEC related drafts discussion before Friday during IETF 105? 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If it doesn=E2=80=99t collide with ACME, I2NSF, LAKE, IPSECME, = or TLS I=E2=80=99m around. > On 1 Jul 2019, at 21:14, Paul Wouters wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Linda Dunbar wrote: >=20 >> Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing IPSEC related = drafts in IETF105. >> I have hard conflict for Friday July 26. >> Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday during IETF105? >=20 > I'm around all week, so happy to meet up on one of the other days. >=20 > Paul _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Jul 1 17:00:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A5812018A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 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helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hi7EA-0007Yb-8m; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 01:04:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 18:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" Cc: "idr@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 01:05:03 -0000 > Apologies for being late in the review cycle of this document. But I > have a basic question about the BGP capability defined in Sect 3: > > -- > By advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP > speaker conveys that it is able to send, receive, and properly > handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended Messages. > -- > > The text $B!H!D(B to send$B!I(B does not seem to be necessary, and the spec would > be simpler and cleaner without it. > > IMO the capability should be about $B!H(Breceiving$B!I(B only. As long as a BGP > speaker is able and willing to receive large messages (by advertising > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages > to the speaker. It really does not matter whether the speaker is able > / willing / need to send any large messages to its neighbors. (Of > course certain $B!H(BOperational$B!I(B considerations still apply, especially > for IBGP, as discussed in the document.) > > What do folks think? we weny around this at least twice during the wg process. there was a dislike of the possibility of extended messages being unidirectional, error reporting, etc. but i have no dog in this fight randy From nobody Mon Jul 1 19:00:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64D312018B for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlKx9Hdm7Iyt for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 904371200D7 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id n11so16852126qtl.5 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 19:00:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fdkIAAgtEyrMkamJY0RismkPFGXtWf+cuc3sArRhLVA=; b=GODEGjHYSFe3bbO71UCosh/Qbvc5btx8847t++yl/yk8GHSIhkBxOpLPtNhdOtDixD /P0Nb+yPeaZEYnyOmlK/McFFpfuKz+b8OqxzXl+XC+i0u/+WWUjP6Zu9lfYArFEDrJ7q 1njvD/UYZBhzk/b0dvaVS4ejdhjMrwuJOsAifE7/PCX4YuTHgTK72kZtc45pv8L6X9ku ipjTfLCEAPtKFKfqyvRUiuQ8D8OT8teQIakafZcSi4arVFyBRXxywLMocny6NapJY9E2 my9YFZVnjI1cbCrGnzYokJgSKcso6xoP7gAY1mi0XmPzv26qI7GNzOVjCeVjoUiPVDB9 TI0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fdkIAAgtEyrMkamJY0RismkPFGXtWf+cuc3sArRhLVA=; b=VuUudj42xcO48X4DYSWbKvVoe7d1MNnzmuMxvLEcwlTik6V63bcbRMBs0Sqy8fGpeM Hbg/NMVk27IGfaPMe1XthZ7VxK6Np9gPqVP2UXa2Lb6NBG8rnuczM3eun6zo3kJX1w+C XumpiYnKAIsPbvMYkyVRXSj5agmN06g5JDMRNge6NOjpabydufOVHeQUiiujqAy7Ua4s REShUFYKhvMF3R5IPtEJbm9v7/brb/cgdmdobLbEKvGLqFjWazqkAyt7kup+uNqcKp95 JK8gsbf//JEeoAjD1UUOPcN0XHU/Z7qemwKnLJFndMj0p3IBuZ8G8gvdvGjyqikHiiZb qTxg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVO8jm7L5HDQwCtSc38L9DLuWxT+gGdEY34/eRGIFTDK1Xk4pz8 GTZwhRgOZTdbLX8jZezNd2ZcuDQ9ZCCI+ucZDmk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx1vII8BQ28uWthvkH8sY0yDhBmBBbzjjmXRbI+v1jQ222p1zr822xLLALx2euU0tQ7QbSElvy8S85XjujjMUs= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c711:: with SMTP id w17mr23515208qvi.97.1562032837371; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 19:00:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 22:00:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 02:00:40 -0000 (from enke) > > IMO the capability should be about =E2=80=9Creceiving=E2=80=9D only. As= long as a BGP > > speaker is able and willing to receive large messages (by advertising > > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages > > to the speaker. It really does not matter whether the speaker is able > > / willing / need to send any large messages to its is it a good idea to assume that you can send just because you can receive? assuming seems a little dicey. 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Mon, 01 Jul 2019 20:42:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3E08630E-03F7-41F1-95C4-0007EBFBCC95@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3E08630E-03F7-41F1-95C4-0007EBFBCC95@cisco.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" Cc: Christopher Morrow , Randy Bush , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6032a058caa88a0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 03:42:37 -0000 --000000000000f6032a058caa88a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to Enke's opinion from what has been done on other options, don't make spec tighter than needed unless a specific issue that mandates bi-directionality can be presented. --- tony On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:35 PM Enke Chen (enkechen) wrote: > No, there is no such assumption. Perhaps let me rephrase for clarify: > > As long as Speaker A is able and willing to receive large messages (by > advertising > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages to > Speaker A. > Such behavior does not depend on whether Speaker A is able / willing / > need to > send any large messages to its neighbors. > > Regards, -- Enke > > =EF=BB=BFOn 7/1/19, 7:01 PM, "Christopher Morrow" wrote: > > (from enke) > > > IMO the capability should be about =E2=80=9Creceiving=E2=80=9D on= ly. As long as a > BGP > > > speaker is able and willing to receive large messages (by > advertising > > > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such > messages > > > to the speaker. It really does not matter whether the speaker is > able > > > / willing / need to send any large messages to its > > is it a good idea to assume that you can send just because you can > receive? > assuming seems a little dicey. > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000f6032a058caa88a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 to Enke's opinion from what has been done on o= ther options, don't make spec tighter than needed unless a specific iss= ue that mandates bi-directionality can be presented.

--- tony


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:35 PM Enk= e Chen (enkechen) <enkechen@cisco.= com> wrote:
No, there is no such assumption.=C2=A0 Perhaps let me rephrase for clari= fy:

As long as Speaker A=C2=A0 is able and willing to receive large messages (b= y advertising
the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages to Spe= aker A.
Such behavior does not depend on whether Speaker A=C2=A0 is able / willing = / need to
send any large messages to its neighbors.

Regards,=C2=A0 -- Enke

=EF=BB=BFOn 7/1/19, 7:01 PM, "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (from enke)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > IMO the capability should be about =E2=80=9Creceivi= ng=E2=80=9D only. As long as a BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > speaker is able and willing to receive large messag= es (by advertising
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to s= end such messages
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > to the speaker. It really does not matter whether t= he speaker is able
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > / willing / need to send any large messages to its<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is it a good idea to assume that you can send just because yo= u can receive?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 assuming seems a little dicey.


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Perhaps let me rephrase for clarify: ah! ok, I misread your intent I think :( > As long as Speaker A is able and willing to receive large messages (by a= dvertising > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages to S= peaker A. > Such behavior does not depend on whether Speaker A is able / willing / n= eed to > send any large messages to its neighbors. ok, makes sense to me. I believe I read it from the other direction: "happy to send " oops :) > > Regards, -- Enke > > =EF=BB=BFOn 7/1/19, 7:01 PM, "Christopher Morrow" wrote: > > (from enke) > > > IMO the capability should be about =E2=80=9Creceiving=E2=80=9D on= ly. As long as a BGP > > > speaker is able and willing to receive large messages (by adverti= sing > > > the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messa= ges > > > to the speaker. It really does not matter whether the speaker is = able > > > / willing / need to send any large messages to its > > is it a good idea to assume that you can send just because you can re= ceive? > assuming seems a little dicey. > > From nobody Tue Jul 2 05:38:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50EC120090; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 05:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhtY6JFOQapy; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 05:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [193.110.157.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83DC012006A; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 05:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45dP0f5yFbzF03; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:38:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1562071090; bh=1EbxwP8zjJ8DXTiBsDt9ui1Uqwdxr5g0ULWaKycBLxY=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=j/Nf+qdmlS9LMZfIt6m50v5avAoXKHR5pIk1+54wuALctibAjWqDpcR1P00RL1427 jtA9vFkPZ3iYecensD/UhGuAbjbiLj+YgtKKIEmxhywxNaApW96jgKtDwCkdXjBG8F pL6DiAgBzNUi6KdNGzZn9ioxa/8nXue4j9vwZbyk= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqGZXO0ZkVhs; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:38:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [76.10.157.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [193.111.228.93] (unknown [193.111.228.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 477CB4392C5; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bofh.nohats.ca 477CB4392C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16F203) In-Reply-To: <004501d53048$0a9e6930$1fdb3b90$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 08:37:50 -0400 Cc: Yoav Nir , idr@ietf.org, Linda Dunbar , bess@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63373627-C725-456D-BE10-AA109BC70D0F@nohats.ca> References: <004501d53048$0a9e6930$1fdb3b90$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Can we have the IPSEC related drafts discussion before Friday during IETF 105? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 12:38:17 -0000 Works for me Sent from mobile device > On Jul 1, 2019, at 16:03, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > Yoav and Paul: >=20 > IDR Session on Wed (13:30 - 15:30) has no conflicts with I2NSF, BESS, IDR,= or IPSECME.=20 >=20 > Let me see if we can get all the presentations on that day. =20 >=20 > Sue Hares=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 3:25 PM > To: Paul Wouters > Cc: idr@ietf.org; Linda Dunbar; bess@ietf.org; Susan Hares > Subject: Re: [Idr] Can we have the IPSEC related drafts discussion before = Friday during IETF 105? >=20 > Me too. If it doesn=E2=80=99t collide with ACME, I2NSF, LAKE, IPSECME, or= TLS I=E2=80=99m around. >=20 >> On 1 Jul 2019, at 21:14, Paul Wouters wrote: >>=20 >> On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Linda Dunbar wrote: >>=20 >>> Hope we can have a face to face meeting discussing IPSEC related drafts i= n IETF105. >>> I have hard conflict for Friday July 26. >>> Can we have the discussion anytime before Friday during IETF105? >>=20 >> I'm around all week, so happy to meet up on one of the other days. >>=20 >> Paul >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jul 2 06:34:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D46A12022E for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3XsdfO6RfYj for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E5941200B7 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id w20so27331795edd.2 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 06:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Hyi9G48UGVQSVOfEY6PUHGAQ5d+1fXJKSTrEU7AU3k8=; b=LRCP4lUYf1SLKh+SpItabiLSb1U+W7DD3hvzI1ugy/m7GlVySDiYEbjfrAlQh5ayPT Z4TehtSJocRfHDk/SYitd531+A8XfYRq0/ZXIA1y4+5RFNMOMnu3F/JFNDbXMNyaFfAr Mj532YjhVuleQrpP7tZpTWZsN9yK0K7eG9JWfdVv1JKm5qGbq8zTJi/AwqAVyGxwLNYb B7MgRgGi42Hbz6U0cTdBaOJk3bevkm+j2PV9rcm2QrjqLgRPRoc4JkHegdfYrUt59hCt 5RAib9YqElyVU9TOO/3MKPA/twwAk9otzZ5ovpkQ19AHS31uGzJemUIMTFukfWuk1aB9 Heaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hyi9G48UGVQSVOfEY6PUHGAQ5d+1fXJKSTrEU7AU3k8=; b=i3pQBv5tzG+khz2zehKgFG7C4aZqe0YHpRczM4j5KXbLw1F8puz1fzXcF2K4N5LvBo y5lkTqCJSVaPv3aH43P60733IHfltlP84N9/XPmeOe/DauoYe8crGXQS8C4Z6yx9pigv 2K2AOqQDgj8yjO2+InlLALNuANgSHD7qBKJfTaT+sXTmgoUC+rhbwoTF0SGlq6saI+Ib 8ecFwn7rvMvJAzGnNvMDDGVracHdSg/dkCHNydd8ES5Q1fn//8wttp0CrU+2/4C0qixl q/Yt3+zPZ5+ErokcVQDyn5pEqMzw6N3ThUzvnawfc9SRH3LrcU0gI/NNbV3KyJNjJFCi I1IA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7nmxZixpb5JhIUmregmHtsYKkdnD7NJFgURm4iTylMGDl1oea MKTC0/hPzse0dhJvho6B3HK6d0l7lO83Hj2/CCj6Ww== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxHBEbG6gHislUilQEQbxDVi5C+Ud+5odXmrUJKk30gptJKCpUNOJi8FNlapW/rllej/Ge3v8XPF0xRclx4o0Q= X-Received: by 2002:a50:f982:: with SMTP id q2mr35611422edn.270.1562074472030; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 06:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:34:31 -0400 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" , Randy Bush Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000004a581058cb2ce07" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 13:34:36 -0000 --00000000000004a581058cb2ce07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On July 1, 2019 at 11:39:39 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) (enkechen@cisco.com) wrote: Enke: Hi! Were there any specific issues for the capability to be unidirectional? It's not clear to me how requiring the capability to be bidirectional would help. rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a peering if that capability has been advertised by both peers. If either peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D IOW, it is not so much that the meaning can=E2=80=99t be something else=E2= =80=A6but that this is how it was designed. Alvaro. --00000000000004a581058cb2ce07 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 1, 2019 at 11:39:39 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) (<= a href=3D"mailto:enkechen@cisco.com">enkechen@cisco.com) wrote:<= /div>

Enke:

Hi!

Were ther= e any specific issues for the capability to be unidirectional? It's not= =C2=A0
= clear to me how requiring the capability to be bidirectional = would help.=C2=A0

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rfc5492 says t= his: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a peering if that = capability has been advertised by both peers.=C2=A0 If either peer has not = advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D

IOW, it is not so much that t= he meaning can=E2=80=99t be something else=E2=80=A6but that this is how it = was designed.

Alvaro.
--00000000000004a581058cb2ce07-- From nobody Tue Jul 2 06:48:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42812120075 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94UId4qDyD-H for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3278112009E for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id d17so18460154qtj.8 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OrWXRedfbq9BK+MaKQ/ayDuV+5ck4DwKrabLRg2zAJw=; b=QEsKZt0YVhL2tK08+Uxvw3n5rOiIRtumqeovMwRDNguldHzY/5JG7oGE5xiEo6+s0J rWB8j6fxojkdIQO6jyiySSBoMQFflKVXNMixJkWJfs/JLTQOsnxzTA5JLBC1PIKLXZwd NEHIOWoScCJKFJmbSktwe0JjJ8UobgQnfwqlb3oXS59kZ4C27Tf7gm3ueMNp/FQ3bGg/ jwJJbtrEAbAbw//6vD72Do49wulusSFqHrn/oJh7Lm2jVvX8AaabFuhIxAxJhPiCNxbv ajYvBndHKPTeOMf+hjPGajfRXwdrWtt4C51n//8Z6g19h4B7zC8+w6CocBOm0X2zPct2 jcoA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OrWXRedfbq9BK+MaKQ/ayDuV+5ck4DwKrabLRg2zAJw=; b=DGGE2V0YayTgK2j1BGZWnJp0ta8OwPe0OYR64Y71vfzkJmaZuNvjnZf08u/jc5GpPn GMns/vteGAS/0G1gy5Cqz4uWnLixA3msMMotyeNY/zvWVdKmZHV/jnob1c7sgEGyufMN xS0eg/COLjCGkUFRqOkEDC1KblS1NnwtgavF9g9IYhAJ1qd+AOJqN82IAl4OD7fOun3j x4OA6i2bMNjvtabWzf8N3hqtUXZI0ErQ7Je59N+H2O6zmaF+rvHOe85QOkzUi/lh85wD b9fDtNsb0m1tI5GAOhDEbdqYjaDgg4cfnUhB7XfV2ZIUfoucnuMIlG8dP8q+cC+2OJEq aIxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWE2Jo/W9rafTtca4/hchi+7OAx1cqXSuyIb7iXzKApUAnVF4Uo 8SdP4S8SkhLBAOy3Gp71HkoPPK4NC3p1Gnlc27zu4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzO5A+oHYX8MvWvquqfRZ0SJePICzbolMSnbX0AEfeSSNwOSBUCpGeC5K3zKRtOVx+Ag2RzFCUdeKuZ4t1lPA8= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1c2d:: with SMTP id a42mr25043679qtk.311.1562075304248; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 06:48:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:48:12 +0200 Message-ID: To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" , Randy Bush , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009f5e53058cb2ffac" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 13:48:28 -0000 --0000000000009f5e53058cb2ffac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvaro, > rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a peering if that capability has > been advertised by both peers. If either peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D I don't think this is the point here. The issue is this: Current version of the draft defines one simple capability to indicate support for both sending and receiving. Enke brings a valid point that there can be implementations and various use cases where support for both may be too heavy and that we rather do more atomic signalling in the protocol just like it has been done for example in ORF Capability [Ref: RFC5291 Section 5]. Now WG can argue that point. Cheers, Robert. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:34 PM Alvaro Retana wrote= : > On July 1, 2019 at 11:39:39 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) (enkechen@cisco.com) > wrote: > > Enke: > > Hi! > > Were there any specific issues for the capability to be unidirectional? > It's not > clear to me how requiring the capability to be bidirectional would help. > > > rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a > peering if that capability has been advertised by both peers. If either > peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D > > IOW, it is not so much that the meaning can=E2=80=99t be something else= =E2=80=A6but that > this is how it was designed. > > Alvaro. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000009f5e53058cb2ffac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alvaro,

> rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be = used on a peering if that capability has=C2=A0
> been advertised by both peers.=C2=A0 If eit= her peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0

I don't think this is the = point here.=C2=A0

The issue is this:=C2=A0

Current version of the draft defines one simple capabilit= y to indicate support for both sending and receiving.=C2=A0

<= /div>
Enke brings a valid point that there can be implementations and v= arious use cases where support for both may be too heavy and that we rather= do more atomic signalling in the protocol just like it has been done for e= xample in ORF Capability [Ref: RFC5291 Section 5]. Now WG can argue that po= int.=C2=A0

Cheers,
Robert.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:34 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On July 1, 2= 019 at 11:39:39 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) (enkechen@cisco.com) wrote:

Enke:

Hi!

Were= there any specific issues for the capability to be unidirectional? It'= s not=C2= =A0
clear to me how requiring the capabil= ity to be bidirectional would help.=C2=A0

rfc5492 says this: "Sim= ply put, a given capability can be used on a peering if that capability has= been advertised by both peers.=C2=A0 If either peer has not advertised it,= the capability cannot be used.=E2=80=9D

IOW, it is not so much that the meaning can=E2=80=99t be som= ething else=E2=80=A6but that this is how it was designed.

Alvaro.
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--0000000000009f5e53058cb2ffac-- From nobody Tue Jul 2 07:41:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39881200EB for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IoVjlPi2IjhP for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B902212008C for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hiJy0-0000k6-NO; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:41:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 07:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Robert Raszuk Cc: Alvaro Retana , "Enke Chen (enkechen)" , "idr@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:41:15 -0000 robert, >> rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a >> peering if that capability has been advertised by both peers. If >> either peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.$B!I(B > > Current version of the draft defines one simple capability to indicate > support for both sending and receiving. if they bost must be capable, then both must be able to send and receive. you seem to want two capabilities, sending and receiving. but if they negotiate the sending capability, then both are senders. in which case, both must be receivers. randy From nobody Tue Jul 2 07:52:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B8B1200F3 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:52:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1xmff75O68dI for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com (mail-qk1-x734.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7871C1200EB for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id x18so14120191qkn.13 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 07:52:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=78veGHgotrAd68AYf0KG1H1R3Z3IOfq/YhyuY5R0ivE=; b=NVxptPcQWel8IxJEZwVJgElLN4N9zTF0eTfWe+Gm9uEKEzIGXgy2CuuKGqgfYu4URq 6XTSoZ4E8yx6Yrr2zOfWkTmC1pi5vsX2CA9G/YPyA/WeulExofvIuYCHARqNj902XwlR jY5v5tYm2UAwDZHx0nhUpUl5mYJYbwG9j8j6eIMQqBaDZ5uCM4ybwu5sNmI2QC6h1zen 1u2bC8T3ajUamE3NigyqU8tgGt5KuhJUyKlSCZHH/INsOxbmvUS6CLzIh9/H1IIUWrd4 lERuyY6qbFNFF2y4jqUN63gRYTzLJnD/73f3NA/0Zeb7t892UA3DcPkphFQf1Zn8muCn DcfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=78veGHgotrAd68AYf0KG1H1R3Z3IOfq/YhyuY5R0ivE=; b=C2evqWG/eqLzA0VnOfzxtJt73+TKO2NuDRW3L8o9GBgdXvfbO3HVlCvsBi+d1gnPQD bWm54+RblTIfRNivW1wBJx0/J/L3HqzPnk8eM9l1yRD5h235XOUEfME/jrqRSWrmnwDb 3QT8P4241N7fx7KqpVtkJ+1iyY4H8M9xXsAArsjBIWQATtMojFPDW2P6dHfPDLwtOeRT ts4LA9PyasRqseLZNwbmO7D7o1o2bmeTifv7TdJ1CcZO7PHzieF2dzIJ1hYBTCERkTaK 6wEg+MB5rUpzz2mdsHnLSu4HUJYRWtM+Qwq9ycQUKaihs1CKlTTWy5MS9rJBXqc6mwPV 97zA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUe7VVqXELZVryA1fvOc6ZxzJpBOw4l3wcp2PiDETpd9uxosqIz Kax9XckGvAwdi2lW6qf2+fWyfy7fmnXw+gsPI2+PbA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxTRmpHpw078u0cwa5/2E4m7pcbiZvZjKvl2SF0sL7mjKV6keTtBrkOKpUVIYJU+olH5PKxmJQCR9HxRKu3oxc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:e40a:: with SMTP id y10mr8472011qkf.134.1562079127540; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:51:55 +0200 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: Alvaro Retana , "Enke Chen (enkechen)" , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000822e72058cb3e319" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Re: Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-31.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:52:12 -0000 --000000000000822e72058cb3e319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > you seem to want two capabilities, sending and receiving. I was trying to make sure all parties are on the same page here :) Nope - technically you still negotiate single capability: Extended Msg - but with TLVs indicating the more granular supported direction. > but if they negotiate the sending capability, then both are senders. in > which case, both must be receivers. There are not such a thing as "sending capability" ... The capability is still Ext Msg. - - - Anyhow I am not sure I would put that "I want it". I see pros and cons of both options and very honestly I more biased to leave the current send/receive combined one for this very extension. Thx, R. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:41 PM Randy Bush wrote: > robert, > > >> rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be used on a > >> peering if that capability has been advertised by both peers. If > >> either peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.=E2= =80=9D > > > > Current version of the draft defines one simple capability to indicate > > support for both sending and receiving. > > if they bost must be capable, then both must be able to send and > receive. > > you seem to want two capabilities, sending and receiving. > > but if they negotiate the sending capability, then both are senders. in > which case, both must be receivers. > > randy > --000000000000822e72058cb3e319 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> you seem to want two capabilities= , sending and receiving.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I was try= ing to make sure all parties are on the same page here :)=C2=A0
<= br>
Nope - technically you still negotiate single capability: Ext= ended Msg - but with TLVs indicating the more granular supported direction.= =C2=A0

> but if they negotiate the sending capabilit= y, then both are senders.=C2=A0 in
> which case, both must be receive= rs.=C2=A0=C2=A0

There are not such a thing as "= sending capability" ... The capability is still Ext Msg.=C2=A0

- - -=C2=A0

Anyhow I am not sure= I would put that "I want it". I see pros and cons of both option= s and very honestly I more biased to leave the current send/receive combine= d one for this very extension.

Thx,
R.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:41 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
robert,

>> rfc5492 says this: "Simply put, a given capability can be use= d on a
>> peering if that capability has been advertised by both peers.=C2= =A0 If
>> either peer has not advertised it, the capability cannot be used.= =E2=80=9D
>
> Current version of the draft defines one simple capability to indicate=
> support for both sending and receiving.

if they bost must be capable, then both must be able to send and
receive.

you seem to want two capabilities, sending and receiving.

but if they negotiate the sending capability, then both are senders.=C2=A0 = in
which case, both must be receivers.

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Extended Message support for BGP Authors : Randy Bush Keyur Patel Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-32.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-07-02 Abstract: The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 by extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octets for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. 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internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156209013055.23862.7522529012699714632@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 10:55:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 17:55:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Extended Message support for BGP Authors : Randy Bush Keyur Patel Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-07-02 Abstract: The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 by extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octets for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 2 11:30:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF1C120188; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: CC: jie.dong@huawei.com, idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, jgs@juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156209220607.23953.4869600553348828390.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 11:30:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (Extended Message support for BGP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 18:30:06 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Extended Message support for BGP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-07-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 by extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octets for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. 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Hello Chairs,

 

I would like to request a slot in IDR to present the= following draft :

  • draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy
  • Kausik Majumdar
  • The time requested for presentation and discussion is 10 minutes.

Thanks,

Kausik

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FWIW, I'm supportive of an implementation poll being done. RFC 2545 nexthops have proven to be troublesome for most of my time doing BGP. 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On July 2, 2019 at 2:30:07 PM, The IESG (iesg-secretary@ietf.org) wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Extended Message support for BGP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-07-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 by extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octets for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc4272: BGP Security Vulnerabilities Analysis (Informational - IETF stream) --000000000000931850058cce3b42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
FYI...

On July 2, 2= 019 at 2:30:07 PM, The IESG (ies= g-secretary@ietf.org) wrote:


The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) = to
consider the following document: - 'Extended Message support for BG= P'
<draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt> as Proposed Stand= ard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits f= inal
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 201= 9-07-18. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In = either case, please retain the beginning of
the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096
octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other
features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond
4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 b= y
extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octet= s
for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-me= ssages/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-exte= nded-messages/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


The document contains these normative downward references.
See RFC 3967 for additional information: =20
rfc4272: BGP Security Vulnerabilities Analysis (Informational - IET= F stream)



<= /body> --000000000000931850058cce3b42-- From nobody Wed Jul 3 20:13:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBA61202AD; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156221001869.12206.15479867411243553723@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 20:13:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 03:13:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP-LS Extension for Inter-AS Topology Retrieval Authors : Aijun Wang Huaimo Chen Ketan Talaulikar Shaowen Ma Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-07-03 Abstract: This document describes the process to build BGP-LS key parameters in inter-domain scenario, defines one new BGP-LS NLRI type(Stub Link NLRI) and some new inter-AS TE related TLVs for BGP-LS to let SDN controller retrieve the network topology automatically under various inter-AS environments. Such extension and process can enable the network operator to collect the interconnect information between different domains and then calculate the overall network topology automatically based on the information provided by BGP-LS protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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The CodePoint requirement for the "Stub Link NLRI"=20 2. The CodePoint requirement for three TLVs within "Link Descriptor" = (Remote AS Number/IPv4 Remote ASBR ID/IPv6 Remote ASBR ID)=20 We also add Ketan as the co-author of this draft. There are also some editorial changes for this update.=20 Any suggestions/comments are welcome. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019=C4=EA7=D4=C24=C8=D5 11:14 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: i-d-announce@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: idr@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP-LS Extension for Inter-AS Topology = Retrieval Authors : Aijun Wang Huaimo Chen Ketan Talaulikar Shaowen Ma Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-inter-as-topology-ext-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-07-03 Abstract: This document describes the process to build BGP-LS key parameters in inter-domain scenario, defines one new BGP-LS NLRI type(Stub Link NLRI) and some new inter-AS TE related TLVs for BGP-LS to let SDN controller retrieve the network topology automatically under various inter-AS environments. Such extension and process can enable the network operator to collect the interconnect information between different domains and then calculate the overall network topology automatically based on the information provided by BGP-LS protocol. 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Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares , idr-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, The IESG , draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156227719193.12028.8450370194650037004.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 14:53:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Protocol Action: 'BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16.txt) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 21:53:12 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing' (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext/ Technical Summary This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family in order to carry segment routing information via BGP. Working Group Summary The WG has reviewed the BGP-LS segment routing drafts for 3-5 years in coordination with the SPRING, MPLS, and BESS working groups. Document Quality Implementations exist and significant review has been done on this document. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156241610604.15234.2141002974192734794@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 05:28:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 12:28:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Advertising Segment Routing Policies in BGP Authors : Stefano Previdi Clarence Filsfils Paul Mattes Eric Rosen Dhanendra Jain Steven Lin Filename : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2019-07-05 Abstract: This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing Policy (SR Policy). An SR Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more segment lists. The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple candidate paths for an SR Policy. Candidate paths may be learned via a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP. This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to distribute candidate paths. New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute are defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jul 7 13:19:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4B5120094; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:19:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156253075470.563.15585195036959089016@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 13:19:14 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:19:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) Authors : Zhenbin Li Liang Ou Yujia Luo Sujian Lu Huaimo Chen Shunwan Zhuang Haibo Wang Filename : draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-07-07 Abstract: It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a traditional IP network from time to time through manual configurations. It is desirable to have an automatic mechanism for setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths automatically. This document describes BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jul 7 20:51:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530BF1200A3; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:51:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156255788927.5098.9814261159417838468@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:51:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:51:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Link State Extensions for SRv6 Authors : Gaurav Dawra Clarence Filsfils Ketan Talaulikar Mach Chen Daniel Bernier Bruno Decraene Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-01.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2019-07-07 Abstract: Segment Routing IPv6 (SRv6) allows for a flexible definition of end- to-end paths within various topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological or functional sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the various protocols such as BGP, ISIS and OSPFv3. BGP Link-state (BGP-LS) address-family solution for SRv6 is similar to BGP-LS for SR for MPLS dataplane. This draft defines extensions to the BGP-LS to advertise SRv6 Segments along with their functions and other attributes via BGP. 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Additionally, we have more queries as follows: The draft says that "One or more IPv4 address format route-target extended community ([RFC4360 ]) attached to the SR Policy advertisement and that indicates the intended head-end of such SR Policy advertisement." Here one or more RTs are attached to match specific headend? " If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order for the update to be considered usable." Can a BGP peer have more than one BGP identifier? On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > The purpose of the RT is to indicate the specific headend for which the S= R > Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenario where multiple RTs will b= e > associated with a single update. > > > > Even if it were, I am not sure we normally strip out RTs automatically > without some specific route policy being applied. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 26 June 2019 12:56 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org; > Ramanathan Selvamani > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > We have some more doubts as follows: > > > > "Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise > > them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers). The > > policy advertisement uses BGP extensions defined in this document. > > The policy advertisement is, in most but not all of the cases, > > tailored for a specific policy head-end. In this case the > > advertisement may sent on a BGP session to that head-end and not > > propagated any further." > > > > If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same Update message, > > 1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we strip down that > particular RT to avoid advertising it further? > > > > Thanks > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > Please check inline below > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 07 May 2019 17:11 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Additionally, we have more queries as follows > > > > *"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress router) advertises SR* > > * Policies representing paths to itself. In this case, it is possible* > > * to send the policy to each head-end over a BGP session to that head-* > > * end, without requiring any further propagation of the policy."* > > > > How does an egress router advertise SR policies representing paths to > itself? > > *[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own router-id in the NLRI and s= etting > the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in the router-target extended comm= unity.* > > Is it done through BGP configuration or any other trigger? > > *[KT] This would be implementation specific based on the > use-case/workflow.* > > > In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated? > > *[KT] This is again implementation specific. It could be done by some TE > module on the egress BGP router that has topology visibility from the > ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend > computes a path from itself to an endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint= computing > path to itself from some headend.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Regards > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Chaitanya, > > > > Please check inline below. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Chaitanya Varma > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 13:34 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Subject:* [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi, > > > > I have couple of queries from the below draft. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 > > > > * =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and adve= rtise* > > * them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D= * > > > > How do we communicate SR policies from controller? Is it through BGP-SR > session or PCEP session. > > *[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for signalling SR Policies from a > controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) below.* > > > > a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the PCC is non-headend? > > b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP between PCE and PCC? > > *[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation of SR Policies. Yet > another option is using netconf/yang or another method for provisioning. > This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.* > > > > * =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached to the= * > > > > * advertisement=E2=80=9D *How Route-target should be attached to a SR-N= LRI > update? > > *[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attribute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 = of the > draft.* > > > > Is it done through local configuration or picked up based on some dynamic > parameter? > > *[KT] It is done by the controller and may be done via local config =E2= =80=93 > either along with the SR Policy or route policy or even dynamically based > on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Appreciate if you can help here. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chaitanya > > > > > .. > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > --=20 Thanks, Gurusiddesh V N --=20 . --000000000000bafcf3058d2407b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ketan,

Thanks for the response.
Additionally, we have more queries as follows:

=C2=A0
The draft says that=C2=A0
"One or more IPv4 address format= route-target extended community
      ([RFC4360]) attached to the SR Policy advertiseme=
nt and that=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 indicates the intended head-end of such SR Polic= y advertisement."

Here one or more RTs= are attached to match specific headend?

"=C2= =A0If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route=C2=A0 = target MUST match one of th= e BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order=C2=A0 for the update to b= e considered usable."
Can a BGP peer have more than one B= GP identifier?


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 = PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

The purpose of the RT is to indicate the speci= fic headend for which the SR Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenari= o where multiple RTs will be associated with a single update.

=C2=A0

Even if it were, I am not sure we normally str= ip out RTs automatically without some specific route policy being applied.<= u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 26 June 2019 12:56
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org; Ramanathan Selvama= ni <ramanathan.selvamani@ipinfusion.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

We have some more doubts as follows:

=C2=A0

"Typicall=
y, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise
=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end route=
rs (typically ingress routers).=C2=A0 The
=C2=A0=C2=A0 policy advertisement uses BGP=
 extensions defined in this document.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The policy advertisement is, =
in most but not all of the cases,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 tailored for a specific polic=
y head-end.=C2=A0 In this case the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement may sent on a B=
GP session to that head-end and not
=C2=A0=C2=A0 propagated =
any further."<=
/pre>

=C2=A0<=
u>

If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same = Update message,

1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we= strip down that particular RT to avoid advertising it further?

=C2=A0<=
u>
Thanks=C2=A0

Gurusiddesh V N
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 07 May 2019 17:11
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quick response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows=

=C2=A0

"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress= router) advertises SR

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Policies representing paths to itsel= f.=C2=A0 In this case, it is possible

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to send the policy to each head-end = over a BGP session to that head-

=C2=A0 end, without requiring any further propaga= tion of the policy."

=C2=A0

How does an egress router advertise SR policies repr= esenting paths to itself?

[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own r= outer-id in the NLRI and setting the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in = the router-target extended community.

Is it done through BGP configuration or any other tr= igger?

[KT] This would be implementation specific bas= ed on the use-case/workflow.


In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated?

[KT] This is again implementation specific. It= could be done by some TE module on the egress BGP router that has topology= visibility from the ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend computes a path from itself to a= n endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint computing path to itself from som= e headend.

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

Regards

Gurusiddesh V N

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Chaitanya,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chaitanya Varma
Sent: 30 April 2019 13:34
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&g= t;
Subject: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-poli= cy

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I have couple of queries from the below draft.

=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines = the set of policies and advertise

=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end routers (typ= ically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

How do we communicate SR policies from controller? I= s it through BGP-SR session or PCEP session.

[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for sig= nalling SR Policies from a controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) b= elow.

=C2=A0

a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the= PCC is non-headend?

b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP= between PCE and PCC?

[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation= of SR Policies. Yet another option is using netconf/yang or another method= for provisioning. This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.



=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached t= o the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement=E2=80=9D

How Route-target should be attached to a SR-NLRI update? =

[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attr= ibute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 of the draft.

=C2=A0

Is it done through local configuration or picked up = based on some dynamic parameter?

[KT] It is done by the controller and may be d= one via local config =E2=80=93 either along with the SR Policy or route pol= icy or even dynamically based on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0=C2=A0

Appreciate if you can help here.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Chaitanya

=C2=A0


..


=C2=A0

--

Thanks,

Gurusiddesh V N


.


=C2=A0

--

Thanks,

Gurusiddesh V N


.



--
Thanks,
Gurusiddesh V= N

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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:02:36 -0000 --000000000000ebd9e1058d2a37b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors, Let me start by restating that using a p2mp protocol to distribute information in a p2p fashion is a bad thing. Your proposal just further encourages folks to do continue use of BGP along those lines which is not a good thing. Now few questions/observations: * You are explicitly breaking RFC4456. The node which does your policy enforcement - let's call it - BGP Policy based Update Replicator (BGP PUR) - no longer follows RFC4456 recommendations of route propagation from client to non-client and from non-client to client. Sure you may define such new functional block in BGP but IMHO this is no longer a vanilla Route Reflector with "just a little bit more filtering" :) * Assume that in my 500 PEs IPv6 network I want to distribute some information to 100 of them. Very conservative case. So with the current draft I will need to send with each route BGP Extended Community Attribute of the 2K size. Well assume that BGP Extended Message is not there at least on one of the PEs the proposed scheme breaks. Did you ever consider to actually define new attribute for this and support wildcard match/extended community match length ? * Can you describe the rational for keeping the Node Targets ext communities still in the update when reflecting it to one of the targets on the list ? * Have you thought of using 4 octet BGP identifier instead of peering address ? First you no longer need to struggle with IPv6 length, you no longer worry about link-local peerings and you no longer need to touch all senders when interface addresses get renumbered. * RRs in general where designed and optimized to reflect all received updates. RTC came and applied some outbound filters. Now your proposal comes and applies new set of per peer dynamic filters. Putting implementation details aside at min your proposal must define which filter is more important RTC pushed from target or your Target RT pushed from sources. * How does your proposal works with RR hierarchy ? It seems pretty clear that it only works with flat sender -- RR -- receiver architecture. * How does your proposal work with confederations ? * What happens when session to a peer goes down ? Would you now need to remodify the list of Node Target Ext Comms and resend to other IBGP peers including that node which you have lost IBGP to ? Essentially what you are defining is to push dynamic filtering policy from the src to the RRs hoping that RRs will honor it and apply proper outbound filters. Moreover you are also adding new behaviour for RRs to modify content of BGP attributes upon reflection. I think you are assuming that all applicable implementations support dynamic update groups or are you assuming that whenever such Node Target Ext Community arrive on the RR it should switch for a given SAFI to per peer update generation ? Best, R. > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:13 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : BGP Extended Community for Identifying the > Target Node > Authors : Jie Dong > Shunwan Zhuang > Gunter Van de Velde > Filename : draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2019-07-08 > > Abstract: > BGP has been used to distribute different types of routing and policy > information in the network. In some cases, the information > distributed may be only intended for one or several particular > receiving BGP nodes in the network. However, BGP does not have a > general mechanism for designating the receiving node of the routing > information. This document defines a new type of BGP extended > community called "Node Target". The mechanism of using the Node > Target extended community to steer BGP route distribution to > particular BGP nodes is specified. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > --000000000000ebd9e1058d2a37b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear authors,

Let me start b= y restating that using a p2mp protocol to distribute information in a p2p f= ashion is a bad thing. Your proposal just further encourages folks to do co= ntinue use of BGP along those lines which is not a good thing.=C2=A0
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Now few questions/observations:=C2=A0

* You are explicitly breaking RFC4456. The node which does your poli= cy enforcement - let's call it - BGP Policy based Update Replicator (BG= P PUR) - no longer follows RFC4456 recommendations of route propagation fro= m client to non-client and from non-client to client. Sure you may define s= uch new functional block in BGP but IMHO this is no longer a vanilla Route = Reflector with "just a little bit more filtering" :)=C2=A0
<= div>
* Assume that in my 500 PEs IPv6 network I want to distr= ibute some information to 100 of them. Very conservative case. So with the = current draft I will need to send with each route BGP Extended Community At= tribute of the 2K size. Well assume that BGP Extended Message is not there = at least on one of the PEs the proposed scheme breaks. Did you ever conside= r to actually define new attribute for this and support wildcard match/exte= nded community match length ?=C2=A0

* Can you desc= ribe the rational for keeping the Node Targets ext communities still in the= update when reflecting it to one of the targets on the list ?=C2=A0
<= div>
* Have you thought of using 4 octet BGP identifier inste= ad of peering address ? First you no longer need to struggle with IPv6 leng= th, you no longer worry about link-local peerings and you no longer need to= touch all senders when interface addresses get renumbered.=C2=A0

* RRs in general where designed and optimized to reflect al= l received updates. RTC came and applied some outbound filters. Now your pr= oposal comes and applies new set of per peer dynamic filters. Putting imple= mentation details aside at min your proposal must define which filter is mo= re important RTC pushed from target or your Target RT pushed from sources.= =C2=A0

* How does your proposal works with RR hier= archy ? It seems pretty clear that it only works with flat sender -- RR -- = receiver architecture.=C2=A0

* How does your propo= sal work with confederations ?=C2=A0

* What happen= s when session to a peer goes down ? Would you now need to remodify the lis= t of Node Target Ext Comms and resend to other IBGP peers including that no= de which you have lost IBGP to ?=C2=A0

Essentially= what you are defining is to push dynamic filtering policy from the src to = the RRs hoping that RRs will honor it and apply proper outbound filters. Mo= reover you are also adding new behaviour for RRs to modify content of BGP a= ttributes upon reflection. I think you are assuming that all applicable imp= lementations support dynamic update groups or are you assuming that wheneve= r such Node Target Ext Community arrive on the RR it should switch for a gi= ven SAFI to per peer update generation ?=C2=A0

Best,
R.


> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:13 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote= :

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= BGP Extended Community for Identifying the Target Node
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jie = Dong
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Shunwan Zhuang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gunter Van de Velde
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGP has been used to distribute different types of routing and= policy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information in the network.=C2=A0 In some cases, the informati= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distributed may be only intended for one or several particular=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0receiving BGP nodes in the network.=C2=A0 However, BGP does no= t have a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0general mechanism for designating the receiving node of the ro= uting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information.=C2=A0 This document defines a new type of BGP ext= ended
=C2=A0 =C2=A0community called "Node Target".=C2=A0 The mechanism = of using the Node
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Target extended community to steer BGP route distribution to =C2=A0 =C2=A0particular BGP nodes is specified.



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On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:45 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > The reason for allowing multiple RTs is if the same SR Policy needs to be > delivered to multiple headend routers. It need not be read as a BGP route= r > having more than one BGP identifier. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 08 July 2019 10:09 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org; > Ramanathan Selvamani > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the response. > > Additionally, we have more queries as follows: > > > > > > The draft says that > > "One or more IPv4 address format route-target extended community > > ([RFC4360 ]) attached to the S= R Policy advertisement and that > > indicates the intended head-end of such SR Policy advertisement." > > > > Here one or more RTs are attached to match specific headend? > > > > " If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order > for the update to be considered usable." > > Can a BGP peer have more than one BGP identifier? > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > The purpose of the RT is to indicate the specific headend for which the S= R > Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenario where multiple RTs will b= e > associated with a single update. > > > > Even if it were, I am not sure we normally strip out RTs automatically > without some specific route policy being applied. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 26 June 2019 12:56 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org; > Ramanathan Selvamani > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > We have some more doubts as follows: > > > > "Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise > > them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers). The > > policy advertisement uses BGP extensions defined in this document. > > The policy advertisement is, in most but not all of the cases, > > tailored for a specific policy head-end. In this case the > > advertisement may sent on a BGP session to that head-end and not > > propagated any further." > > > > If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same Update message, > > 1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we strip down that > particular RT to avoid advertising it further? > > > > Thanks > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > Please check inline below > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 07 May 2019 17:11 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Additionally, we have more queries as follows > > > > *"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress router) advertises SR* > > * Policies representing paths to itself. In this case, it is possible* > > * to send the policy to each head-end over a BGP session to that head-* > > * end, without requiring any further propagation of the policy."* > > > > How does an egress router advertise SR policies representing paths to > itself? > > *[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own router-id in the NLRI and s= etting > the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in the router-target extended comm= unity.* > > Is it done through BGP configuration or any other trigger? > > *[KT] This would be implementation specific based on the > use-case/workflow.* > > > In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated? > > *[KT] This is again implementation specific. It could be done by some TE > module on the egress BGP router that has topology visibility from the > ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend > computes a path from itself to an endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint= computing > path to itself from some headend.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Regards > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Chaitanya, > > > > Please check inline below. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Chaitanya Varma > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 13:34 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Subject:* [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi, > > > > I have couple of queries from the below draft. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 > > > > * =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and adve= rtise* > > * them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D= * > > > > How do we communicate SR policies from controller? Is it through BGP-SR > session or PCEP session. > > *[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for signalling SR Policies from a > controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) below.* > > > > a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the PCC is non-headend? > > b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP between PCE and PCC? > > *[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation of SR Policies. Yet > another option is using netconf/yang or another method for provisioning. > This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.* > > > > * =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached to the= * > > > > * advertisement=E2=80=9D *How Route-target should be attached to a SR-N= LRI > update? > > *[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attribute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 = of the > draft.* > > > > Is it done through local configuration or picked up based on some dynamic > parameter? > > *[KT] It is done by the controller and may be done via local config =E2= =80=93 > either along with the SR Policy or route policy or even dynamically based > on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Appreciate if you can help here. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chaitanya > > > > > .. > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > --=20 Thanks, Gurusiddesh V N --=20 . --000000000000d8f828058d2a6321 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ketan,

Thank you for the clarificati= on.=C2=A0

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:45 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant= ) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

The reason for allowing multiple RTs is if the= same SR Policy needs to be delivered to multiple headend routers. It need = not be read as a BGP router having more than one BGP identifier.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:09
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org; Ramanathan Selvama= ni <ramanathan.selvamani@ipinfusion.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The draft says that=C2=A0

"One= or more IPv4 address format route-target extended community<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ([RFC43=
60]) attached to the SR Policy advertisement and that=C2=A0

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 indicates the intended head-end of such SR Policy advertiseme= nt."

=C2=A0

Here one or more RTs are attached to match specific = headend?

=C2=A0

"=C2=A0If one or more route-targets are present= , then at least one route=C2=A0 target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the = receiver in order=C2=A0 for the update to be considered usable."

Can a BGP peer have more than one BGP identifier?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

The purpose of the RT is to indicate the specific he= adend for which the SR Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenario wher= e multiple RTs will be associated with a single update.

=C2=A0

Even if it were, I am not sure we normally strip out= RTs automatically without some specific route policy being applied.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 26 June 2019 12:56
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org; Ramanat= han Selvamani <ramanathan.selvamani@ipinfusion.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

We have some more doubts as follows:

=C2=A0

"Typicall=
y, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise<=
/u>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end route=
rs (typically ingress routers).=C2=A0 The
=C2=A0=C2=A0 policy advertisement uses BGP=
 extensions defined in this document.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The policy advertisement is, =
in most but not all of the cases,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 tailored for a specific polic=
y head-end.=C2=A0 In this case the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement may sent on a B=
GP session to that head-end and not
=C2=A0=C2=A0 propagated =
any further."<=
/pre>

=C2=A0<=
u>

If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same = Update message,

1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we= strip down that particular RT to avoid advertising it further?

=C2=A0<=
u>
Thanks=C2=A0

Gurusiddesh V N
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 07 May 2019 17:11
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quick response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows=

=C2=A0

"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress= router) advertises SR

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Policies representing paths to itsel= f.=C2=A0 In this case, it is possible

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to send the policy to each head-end = over a BGP session to that head-

=C2=A0 end, without requiring any further propaga= tion of the policy."

=C2=A0

How does an egress router advertise SR policies repr= esenting paths to itself?

[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own r= outer-id in the NLRI and setting the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in = the router-target extended community.

Is it done through BGP configuration or any other tr= igger?

[KT] This would be implementation specific bas= ed on the use-case/workflow.


In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated?

[KT] This is again implementation specific. It= could be done by some TE module on the egress BGP router that has topology= visibility from the ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend computes a path from itself to a= n endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint computing path to itself from som= e headend.

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

Regards

Gurusiddesh V N

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Chaitanya,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chaitanya Varma
Sent: 30 April 2019 13:34
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&g= t;
Subject: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-poli= cy

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I have couple of queries from the below draft.

=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines = the set of policies and advertise

=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end routers (typ= ically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

How do we communicate SR policies from controller? I= s it through BGP-SR session or PCEP session.

[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for sig= nalling SR Policies from a controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) b= elow.

=C2=A0

a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the= PCC is non-headend?

b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP= between PCE and PCC?

[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation= of SR Policies. Yet another option is using netconf/yang or another method= for provisioning. This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.



=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached t= o the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement=E2=80=9D

How Route-target should be attached to a SR-NLRI update? =

[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attr= ibute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 of the draft.

=C2=A0

Is it done through local configuration or picked up = based on some dynamic parameter?

[KT] It is done by the controller and may be d= one via local config =E2=80=93 either along with the SR Policy or route pol= icy or even dynamically based on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0=C2=A0

Appreciate if you can help here.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Chaitanya

=C2=A0


..


=C2=A0

--

Thanks,

Gurusiddesh V N


.


=C2=A0

--

Thanks,

Gurusiddesh V N


.


=C2=A0

--

Thanks,

Gurusiddesh V N


.



--
Than= ks,
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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Flexible Algorithm Definition Advertisement with BGP Link-State Authors : Ketan Talaulikar Peter Psenak Shawn Zandi Gaurav Dawra Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: Flexible Algorithm is a solution that allows routing protocols (viz. OSPF and IS-IS) to compute paths over a network based on user-defined (and hence, flexible) constraints and metrics. The computation is performed by routers participating in the specific network in a distribute manner using a Flex Algorithm definition. This definition provisioned on one or more routers and propagated (viz. OSPF and IS- IS flooding) through the network. BGP Link-State (BGP-LS) enables the collection of various topology information from the network. This draft defines extensions to BGP- LS address-family to advertise the Flexible Algorithm Definition as a part of the topology information from the network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:DM5PR11MB1609; H:DM5PR11MB2027.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 3RRXnv771E/YHvKnTIqgaN+TqL5PABJRjfReFvH4ybGt88g0ttrTJDvE7LuHeT0k8LSstrS74YGZeKXEUQ2QjdItTScRhjSkMfCOv9r2liBLnvmRCOSS/qVv4nCmtNPyQBwFVyx0DCMO7JxSIr4VDMXiccLohQPF5KvBJo72ffdSLIRE82gP40OVo16m6sMV1unrM5VeDAQyEIA1qFoTNhxKvpqBtX2Cxl2uacDLui++qwhNfhBXCrhVMG3Ka4IOyDadhZIA15AzYQCPid0q9fshe3dEUHvE2xZPI4QTYGZ+4aiPQFNtYxkq0jHebHmLtLb+2yLabyyxXb32h6Ayk2OdEY4Gq63L8P8ID2FDdS7u1w8RUYS3diO/icq2wiRh3gRGWF/1/yigA+XaTmMc1lpTAh+dkiK1nE2/Mr87FVk= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 5a03c07b-3639-4572-e121-08d703a78e2f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Jul 2019 13:24:07.5358 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ketant@cisco.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR11MB1609 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.29, xch-aln-019.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-12.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:24:14 -0000 Hello All, This update of the BGP-LS Flex Algo draft aligns with the recent update of = the IGP Flex Algo draft. Would like to request WG to review and provide inputs/feedback. Thanks, Ketan (on behalf of co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 08 July 2019 18:49 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Flexible Algorithm Definition Advertisement with = BGP Link-State Authors : Ketan Talaulikar Peter Psenak Shawn Zandi Gaurav Dawra Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: Flexible Algorithm is a solution that allows routing protocols (viz. OSPF and IS-IS) to compute paths over a network based on user-defined (and hence, flexible) constraints and metrics. The computation is performed by routers participating in the specific network in a distribute manner using a Flex Algorithm definition. This definition provisioned on one or more routers and propagated (viz. OSPF and IS- IS flooding) through the network. BGP Link-State (BGP-LS) enables the collection of various topology information from the network. This draft defines extensions to BGP- LS address-family to advertise the Flexible Algorithm Definition as a part of the topology information from the network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Jul 8 08:27:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AC61202AC; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8qZX1O_nq5CX; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D3951202CD; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'John Scudder'" , "'idr@ietf. org'" Cc: References: <99A607F0-84C5-4D3D-99EF-36B733DE205A@tix.at> <5126B079-AD79-4645-9A90-F960A3BB20F3@tix.at> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:25:43 -0400 Message-ID: <004501d535a1$68b09f30$3a11dd90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01D5357F.E1A3BA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKrUyvrwlGZ19jA4IuhJx7es5FXKgIteUyHAk3x2dECP/FOD6TewJ1Q Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Returning draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis to WG, new 2 week discussion period X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 15:27:19 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D5357F.E1A3BA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John and WG: =20 Thank you for taking care of this validation issue. While we had = agreed to limit the extensions to RFC5575, this extensions is needed to = fix the validation issues in RF5575. I strongly agree to the fix. =20 Since John has not pushed the =E2=80=9Csend=E2=80=9D yet, I can only = assume he was waiting for my response.=20 =20 Cheers,=20 Sue Hares=20 =20 =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Scudder Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:30 PM To: idr@ietf. org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Returning draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis to WG, new 2 week = discussion period =20 Hi All,=20 =20 Just to reiterate, the -17 text Christoph uploaded will be what goes = forward to the IESG unless there are any objections by Friday. The diff = vs. version -16 is here, = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17.txt On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:13 AM, Christoph Loibl wrote: =20 After some discussion on the list and also off-list I uploaded a new = version of the draft (-17) that seems to have enough support from the WG = (basically what John suggested initially). If there are very strong = arguments against this change, please suggest a different fix to the = problem John pointed out. John wanted to keep the discussion open until = 28th June. =20 Thanks to Christoph and the other authors for jumping on this. =20 =E2=80=94John ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D5357F.E1A3BA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John and WG:

 

Thank you for taking care of this validation issue.=C2=A0=C2=A0 While = we had agreed to limit the extensions to RFC5575, this extensions is = needed to fix the validation issues in RF5575.=C2=A0 I strongly agree to = the fix.

 

Since John has not pushed the =E2=80=9Csend=E2=80=9D yet, I can only = assume he was waiting for my response.

 

Cheers,

Sue Hares

 

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John = Scudder
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:30 PM
To: = idr@ietf. org
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] = Returning draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis to WG, new 2 week discussion = period

 

Hi All, =

 

Just to reiterate, the -17 text Christoph uploaded = will be what goes forward to the IESG unless there are any objections by = Friday. The diff vs. version -16 is here, https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17= .txt



On = Jun 18, 2019, at 2:13 AM, Christoph Loibl <c@tix.at> wrote:

 

After = some discussion on the list and also off-list I uploaded a new version = of the draft (-17) that seems to have enough support from the WG = (basically what John suggested initially). If there are very strong = arguments against this change, please suggest a different fix to the = problem John pointed out. John wanted to keep the discussion open until = 28th June.

 

Thanks to Christoph and the other authors for jumping = on this.

 

=E2=80=94John

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D5357F.E1A3BA20-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 09:31:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F46A12029F for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zRIInKZXV3Q for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 957BD12025C for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:31:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr@ietf. org'" Cc: "'John G. Scudder'" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:31:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00db01d535aa$93f691a0$bbe3b4e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01D53589.0CE762A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU1qRFt5UXEEln/TXSBkSMFBpetNA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Issue summary - on Tuesday X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:31:40 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01D53589.0CE762A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all: We have 9 issues for the IDR charter discussion at IETF 105. Here are the discussion points: 1) IPSEC related discussions 2) Auto-configuration (or auto-discovery) 3) Security and error handling 4) BGP-LS 5) Other E-BGP 6) N-RIT 7) E-BGP enhancements 8) Flowspec 9) Next hops - common encoding and work I will be sending out a summary of the mail list discussion on these issues on Tuesday (7/9/19). Please send any other items John and I should know about. We'll focus on getting a proposed charter out in the next week. Since IDR sessions are Wednesday and Friday, we'll have almost 2 weeks to hammer out the final form of the charter changes. Cheers, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01D53589.0CE762A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = all:

 

We have 9 issues for the IDR charter discussion at = IETF 105.  Here are the discussion points:

 

1)      = IPSEC related discussions =

2)      = Auto-configuration (or = auto-discovery)

3)      = Security and error = handling

4)      = BGP-LS

5)      = Other E-BGP =

6)      = N-RIT

7)      = E-BGP = enhancements

8)      = Flowspec =

9)      = Next hops – common = encoding and work

 

I will be = sending out a summary of the mail list discussion on these issues on = Tuesday (7/9/19). 

 

Please send = any other items John  and I should know about.  We’ll = focus on getting a proposed charter out in the next week. =

 

Since IDR sessions are Wednesday and Friday, = we’ll have almost 2 weeks to hammer out the final form of the = charter changes.

 

Cheers, Sue = Hares

------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01D53589.0CE762A0-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 09:37:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECEA120316; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156260382364.826.333015631630357502@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:37:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:37:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR) Authors : Robert Raszuk Christian Cassar Erik Aman Bruno Decraene Kevin Wang Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document proposes a solution for BGP route reflectors to allow them to choose the best path for their clients that the clients themselves would have chosen under the same conditions, without requiring further state or any new features to be placed on the clients. This facilitates, for example, best exit point policy (hot potato routing). This solution is primarily applicable in deployments using centralized route reflectors. The solution relies upon all route reflectors learning all paths which are eligible for consideration. Best path selection is performed in each route reflector based on a configured virtual location in the IGP. The location can be the same for all clients or different per peer/update group or per peer. Best path selection can also be performed based on user configured policies in each route reflector. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 09:42:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF6D120046; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bb3BcoXsNXNh; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1A2012011B; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Jeff Tantsura'" , Cc: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00fe01d535ac$1f073230$5d159690$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01D5358A.97FDA880" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU1q5ExbNpAXP39TraWMuNfGZb/PQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Do you mind that draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has IPR? [6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:42:33 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01D5358A.97FDA880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WG:=20 =20 This is to formally call for the WG to consider that the = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has 1 IPR Statement (see = comments below). I started this discussion on June 9th, but I did not = bring it to a good conclusion. =20 =20 As far as I can tell, there is no IDR objection to WG LC = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt. Please comment by = 7/12/2019 if you object to the WG LC. The shepherd is waiting for = -06.txt of this document with additional error handling in order to = begin WG LC. Hopefully, that draft will appear today.=20 =20 Cheerily, Susan Hares=20 =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:19 PM To: 'Jeff Tantsura'; idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Shepherd Review for = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt =20 Jeff: =20 Thank you for indicating as an inventor there is only one patent, but 2 = claims. The discussion of the patent is outside of my purview as IDR WG = co-Chair or the IDR WG=E2=80=99s appropriate discussion. =20 =20 The shepherd statement is still accurate, I need to make an IPR call to = decide whether the WG approves in WG LC any document with IPR on the = document. Since all IPR statements have been made, and you are going = to revise the document, I will start the IPR call based on the 1 patent = (2 IPR claims below). =20 =20 Cheerily, Susan Hares=20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ms= d/ =20 Date ID Statement 2018-08-30 3273 Telefonaktiebolaget LM = Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd 2017-06-26 3023 Telefonaktiebolaget LM = Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to = draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:29 AM To: idr@ietf.org; Susan Hares Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Shepherd Review for = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt =20 Sue,=20 =20 Wrt 2 IPR statements: this is the same IPR, one published against individual draft, another, = after idr has adopted it. =20 The author will be working to address your comments.. =20 Cheers,=20 Jeff On Jun 7, 2019, 7:27 PM -0700, Susan Hares , wrote: Jeff, Ketan, Uma, Greg, and Nikos:=20 =20 My initial shepherd review of = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has three points: =20 2 IPR statements means the draft will have to go through an IPR call for = the IPR issues Error handling section needs to be added to the draft (requires -06.txt) The implementation report needs to be improved (see below) =20 After all things are completed, I will start the WG LC. =20 Sue Hares (Shepherd/WG co-chair) =20 =20 2 IPR Statements ----------------------- The 2 IPR statements for this draft means that after all authors = indicate IPR knowledge, I will need to do a WG call for considering the draft with 2 IPR = statements. =20 Otherwise, the IESG may wish to cycle a discussion on the IPR. =20 It takes less time to just do it up-front.. =20 =20 Error handling ---------------- This draft must add an error handling section that indicates what happen = if the Node MSD TLV and the Link MSD TLV are incorrectly parsed.=20 This is a requirement for the shepherd/WG chair to send this to WG LC or = the QA reviews (RTG-DIR, OPS-DIR).=20 =20 I also would prefer to see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis/ as a WG document prior to sending this to the IESG. =20 =20 Could you check with the authors to determine its status? Otherwise, the error handling section in this draft will need to be improved. =20 =20 =20 Implementation report improvement -------------------------------------- =20 The implementation reports for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 needs improving and your = draft needs to have additional error handling specified.=20 =20 You need to indicate key features: =20 MSD and SR routing interaction MSD advertisements MAY be useful even if SR itself is not enabled.=20 =20 MSD and BGP-LS interaction =20 2a) The BGP-LS speaker may also advertise the MSD information for the local node and its links when not running = any link-state IGP protocol e.g. when running BGP as the only routing protocol. =20 2b) This enables sharing of MSD-Types that may be defined in the future by the IGPs in BGP-LS. =20 =20 Support for Node TLV parsing 3a =E2=80=93 feature support ( yes/no) =20 3b- MUST (yes/20) =20 MSD-Value : a number in the range of 0-255. For all MSD-Types, 0 represents the lack of ability to impose an MSD stack of any depth; any other value represents that of the node. This value MUST represent the lowest value supported by any link configured for use by the advertising protocol instance. =20 =20 3c) Support for Error handling if Node TLV is incorrectly parsed = =E2=80=93 This needs to be specified your draft =20 =20 Support for Link MSD TLV 4a) support for feature 4b) support for error handling if Link MSD is incorrectly parsed =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01D5358A.97FDA880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG:

 

This is to formally call for the WG to consider that the = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has 1 IPR Statement (see = comments below). =C2=A0I started this discussion on June 9th, = but I did not bring it to a good conclusion.=C2=A0 =

 

As far as I can tell, there is no IDR objection to WG LC = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please = comment by 7/12/2019 if you object to the WG LC. =C2=A0The shepherd is = waiting for -06.txt of this document with additional error handling in = order to begin WG LC. =C2=A0=C2=A0Hopefully, that draft will appear = today.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:19 PM
To: 'Jeff = Tantsura'; idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [Idr] Shepherd Review for = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt

<= /div>

 

Jeff:

 

Thank you = for indicating as an inventor there is only one patent, but 2 claims. = The discussion of the patent is outside of my purview as IDR WG co-Chair = or the IDR WG=E2=80=99s appropriate discussion.  =   

 

The shepherd statement is still accurate, I need to = make an IPR call to decide whether the WG approves in WG LC any document = with IPR on the document.   Since all IPR statements have been = made, and you are going to revise the document, I will start the IPR = call based on the 1 patent (2 IPR claims below). 

 

Cheerily, = Susan Hares

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segmen= t-routing-msd/

 

= <= td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#F9F9F9;padding:2.25pt 2.25pt 2.25pt = 2.25pt'>

Telefonaktiebolaget LM = Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

<= td valign=3Dtop style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD = 1.0pt;padding:2.25pt 2.25pt 2.25pt 2.25pt'>

Telefonaktiebolaget LM = Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to = draft-tantsura-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd

Date

ID

Statement

2018-08-30

=

3273

2017-06-26

=

3023

 

 

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff = Tantsura
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:29 AM
To: = idr@ietf.org; Susan Hares
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [Idr] Shepherd Review for = draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt

<= /div>

 

Sue, =

 

Wrt 2 IPR statements:

this is the same IPR, one published against individual = draft, another, after idr has adopted it.

 

The author will be working to address your = comments..

 

Cheers, =

Jeff

On Jun 7, 2019, 7:27 PM -0700, Susan = Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, wrote:

Jeff, =
Ketan, Uma, Greg, and Nikos: =

 <= /o:p>

My initial = shepherd review of draft-ietf-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt =  has three points:

 <= /o:p>

2 IPR statements means the draft = will have to go through an IPR call for the IPR issues

Error handling section needs to be added to the = draft (requires -06.txt)

The = implementation report needs to be improved (see below)

 <= /o:p>

After all = things are completed, I will start the WG LC.

 <= /o:p>

Sue = Hares

(Shepherd/WG= co-chair)

 <= /o:p>

 

2 IPR = Statements

------------= -----------

The 2 IPR = statements for this draft means that after all authors indicate IPR = knowledge,

I will need = to do a WG call for considering the draft with 2 IPR = statements.

 <= /o:p>

Otherwise, = the IESG may wish to cycle a discussion on the IPR. =   

It takes = less time to just do it up-front..

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Error = handling

------------= ----

This draft = must add an error handling section that indicates what happen if = the

Node MSD = TLV and the Link MSD TLV are incorrectly parsed. 

This is a = requirement for the shepherd/WG chair to send this to WG LC or = the

QA reviews = (RTG-DIR, OPS-DIR). 

 <= /o:p>

I also = would prefer to see

ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis/

as a WG = document prior to sending this to the IESG.  

 <= /o:p>

Could you = check with the authors to determine its status?

Otherwise, = the error handling section in this draft will need

to be = improved.  

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Implementati= on report improvement

------------= --------------------------

 <= /o:p>

The = implementation reports for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 = needs improving and your draft needs to have additional error handling = specified. 

 <= /o:p>

You need to = indicate key features:

 <= /o:p>

MSD and SR routing = interaction

MSD advertisements = MAY be useful even if SR itself is not enabled. 

 <= /o:p>

MSD and BGP-LS interaction =  

2a) =
The BGP-LS speaker may also advertise =
the
      MSD =
information for the local node and its links when not running =
any
      link-state =
IGP protocol e.g. when running BGP as the only =
routing
      =
protocol.

 <= /o:p>

      2b) This =
enables sharing of MSD-Types that may
      be defined in =
the future by the IGPs in BGP-LS.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Support for Node TLV = parsing

3a =E2=80=93 feature support ( yes/no)

 

3b-  MUST  (yes/20)

  =

        &nb= sp;MSD-Value : a number in the range of 0-255.  For all = MSD-Types,

         0 = represents the lack of ability to impose an MSD stack of = any

         = depth; any other value represents that of the node.  This = value

         = MUST represent the lowest value supported by any = link

         = configured for use by the advertising protocol = instance.

 

 <= /o:p>

  =       3c) Support for Error handling if Node = TLV is incorrectly parsed =E2=80=93 This needs to be specified your = draft

 <= /o:p>

Support for Link MSD TLV

4a) support for feature

4b) support for error handling if Link MSD is = incorrectly parsed

 

  =    

 <= /o:p>

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TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7276D1202BA; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:53:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: References: <012c01d51fb1$ce221430$6a663c90$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <012c01d51fb1$ce221430$6a663c90$@ndzh.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:53:15 -0400 Message-ID: <013f01d535ad$a2f5a6c0$e8e0f440$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01D5358C.1BE6ECF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIP58qHinhQzLAck2vdlsIVwjJB3KZLizxQ Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler plate X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:54:42 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D5358C.1BE6ECF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Job, Jakob, John and Alex: I do not see a revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses the IPR issues below. I'd love to start the WG LC, but I need you to address this NIT. Perhaps you can do this today before the IETF draft deadline. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler plate Job, Jakob, John and Alex: I have all IPR statement for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis, but I do not have a version -05.txt that takes care of the following NIT. -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. If you have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing to grant the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. (See the Legal Provisions document at https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.) Because I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply asked you to resolve the NIT with -05.txt. If I am wrong, please let me know. I would like to get this document into WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D5358C.1BE6ECF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Job, Jakob, John and Alex: =

 

I do not see a revision = to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that = addresses the IPR issues below.   I’d love to start the = WG LC, but I need you to address this NIT.

 

Perhaps you = can do this today before the IETF draft deadline. =

 

Cheerily, = Susan Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler = plate

 

Job, = Jakob, John and Alex: =

 

I have all IPR statement for = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis,  but I do not have a version -05.txt = that takes care of the following NIT.

 

  = -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but = may

     have content which was first = submitted before 10 November 2008.  If you

     have contacted all the = original authors and they are all willing to = grant

     the BCP78 rights to the IETF = Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore

     this comment.  If not, = you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer.

     (See the Legal = Provisions document at

     = https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more = information.)

 

 

Because = I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply asked you to = resolve the NIT with -05.txt.

 

If I am = wrong, please let me know.  I would like to get this document into = WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points.

 

Sue = Hares  

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D5358C.1BE6ECF0-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 10:00:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BEE1202AC for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8KHPH4gfkp_C for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77BF51202FD for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:59:38 -0400 Message-ID: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015A_01D5358D.003C2460" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU1rm8JfKzi+/aVSh+TUngEcaoIPg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:00:00 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01D5358D.003C2460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: The email list support for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expected. Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to this idea "just making sense". Since one of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support. Please send in comments or just a comment for "support" or "no support" for this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] This begins a 2 week IDR WG Last Call (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt. The document is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change / As registration document, there is no implementation report. Please indicate in comments to the IDR "support" or "no support" for WG LC. Consider: 1) Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes help speed up processing? 2) Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change? 3) Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW document? John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01D5358D.003C2460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

 

The email list support = for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expected. =   Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due = to this idea “just making sense”.  =

 

Since one of the WG = chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support.  Please = send in comments or just a comment for “support” or = “no support” for this draft.

 

Cheerily, Susan = Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to = 6/16/2019]

 

This begins = a 2 week IDR  WG Last Call (LC) on = ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt.  

 

The document = is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilitie= s-registry-change/

 

As = registration document, there is no implementation report.  =

 

Please indicate in comments to the IDR = “support” or “no support” for WG LC. =

Consider:

 

1)      = Does this change to = registration procedures for BGP capability codes help speed up = processing?

2)      = Is there any technical or = operational issue in making this change?

3)      = Do we need to pass this = to the IESG at the same time as any GROW document?

 

John Scudder = is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft.  =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

------=_NextPart_000_015A_01D5358D.003C2460-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 10:13:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CF912032E for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sA6RwXfvQq85 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CE99120348 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <017901d535b0$633a50a0$29aef1e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017A_01D5358E.DC2D92A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU1sA3tmqBy+MWRRemv/urWU/9iVQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Delta for status for IETF draft deadline day (7/8/2019) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:13:06 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01D5358E.DC2D92A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IESG approves . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext - Yeah!! at IETF LC . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 At AD review: . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12 Drafts past WG LC with implementations with shepherd . draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 - fixed a validation issues (Thanks to John) and ready to back to IESG . draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 - IDR list had comments (see IPSEC threads) o Chairs will post summary of IPSEC and any changes [Tuesday] o IDR session at IETF will discuss IPSEC + tunnel additions. New tunnel additions will go in another draft. . draft-ietf-optimal-route-refresh - Draft uploaded, Shepherd double checking IESG package o IETF IESG package from IDR is implementation reports, document, shepherd's report. WG LC: . draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change [6/9-6/23] - extended 1 week (7/9 to 7/15) . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 [6/9-6/23] - awaiting -06.txt to start o WG has not indicated IPR issues [final call by 7/12] o Authors still need to: Provide -06 addressing shepherd report . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-09.txt [6/9 to 6/30] - awaiting -10.txt to start o IPR poll completed o Authors need to revise draft - addressing shepherd's report . draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 [6/9 to 6/30] o IPR poll completed o Authors need to revise draft [-05.txt] to address NITS/IPR concern - Adoptions: WG chairs would like to see any adoption call for: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00 Charter and Issues: Discussion of Issues and WG charter will be sent on 7/9/2016. Charter discussion will focus on IDR charter changes. Sue Hares PS - thank you for all the well wishes ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01D5358E.DC2D92A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IESG = approves

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext – =   Yeah!!

 

at IETF LC =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 

 

At AD review:

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12 =

 

Drafts past WG LC with implementations with shepherd =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 – fixed a validation = issues (Thanks to John) and ready to back to IESG

·         = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 – IDR list had = comments (see IPSEC threads)

o   Chairs will post summary of IPSEC and any changes = [Tuesday]

o   IDR session at IETF will discuss IPSEC + tunnel = additions.  New tunnel additions will go in another draft. =

·         = draft-ietf-optimal-route-refresh – Draft = uploaded, Shepherd double checking IESG  package

o   IETF IESG package from IDR is implementation reports, = document, shepherd’s report.

 

WG = LC:

·         = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change [6/9-6/23] = – extended 1 week (7/9 to 7/15)  

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 [6/9-6/23= ] –  awaiting -06.txt to start

o    WG has = not indicated IPR issues [final call by 7/12] =  

o   Authors still = need to:  Provide -06 addressing shepherd report =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-09.txt  [6/9 to = 6/30] – awaiting -10.txt to start

o   IPR poll completed

o   Authors need to revise draft – addressing = shepherd’s report

·         = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 [6/9 to 6/30] =

o   IPR  poll completed

o   Authors need to revise draft [-05.txt] to address = NITS/IPR concern -

 

Adoptions:

WG chairs would like to see any adoption call for: =  draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00

 

Charter and = Issues:

Discussion of = Issues and WG charter will be sent on  7/9/2016.   = Charter discussion will focus on IDR charter changes. =

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

PS – thank you for all the well = wishes

------=_NextPart_000_017A_01D5358E.DC2D92A0-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 10:20:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D525A120334; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyDehGaBAmV5; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DADF1202D8; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: <018f01d535b1$4db44140$e91cc3c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0190_01D5358F.C6A2A140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU1sSgg6L+zdlHRQY6Px+QUsRScKQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Request for 2 week review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt - (7/9 to 7/22) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:20:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0190_01D5358F.C6A2A140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: The BGP extended message support ( draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33) has been sent to the IESG for publication. Would grow please review the draft and the operational considerations? During the long life of this draft IDR has mentioned this draft many times. Would the grow participants, please review this draft and send any comments regarding operational issues to both the IDR and grow list. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ Thank you, Susan Hares IDR co-chair and shepherd ------=_NextPart_000_0190_01D5358F.C6A2A140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings: =

 

The BGP extended message support ( = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33)  has been sent to the IESG = for publication.   Would grow please review the draft and the = operational considerations?   

 

During the = long life of this draft IDR has mentioned this draft many times.  = Would the grow participants, please review this draft and send any = comments regarding operational issues to both the IDR and grow = list. 

 

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt  can = be found at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messa= ges/

 

Thank you, Susan Hares

IDR co-chair and shepherd =

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-0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Route Leak Prevention using Roles in Update and Open messages Authors : Alexander Azimov Eugene Bogomazov Randy Bush Keyur Patel Kotikalapudi Sriram Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: Route Leaks are the propagation of BGP prefixes which violate assumptions of BGP topology relationships; e.g. passing a route learned from one peer to another peer or to a transit provider, passing a route learned from one transit provider to another transit provider or to a peer. Today, approaches to leak prevention rely on marking routes by operator configuration, with no check that the configuration corresponds to that of the BGP neighbor, or enforcement that the two BGP speakers agree on the relationship. This document enhances BGP OPEN to establish agreement of the (peer, customer, provider, Route Server, Route Server client) relationship of two neighboring BGP speakers to enforce appropriate configuration on both sides. Propagated routes are then marked with an OTC attribute according to the agreed relationship, allowing both prevention and detection of route leaks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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It would be helpful if > you could attend that session and present your draft there. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Linda Dunbar [mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:01 PM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) ; idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* idr-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: Call for IETF105 IDR agenda items > > > > > > IDR Chairs, > > > > I would like to have 10 minutes slot on Wed IDR session to brief the > changes to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-0= 2 > > > > I have conflict on Friday, so need IDR Wed slot. > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Linda Dunbar > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 9:01 PM > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* idr-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] Call for IETF105 IDR agenda items > > > > Dear all, > > > > The preliminary agenda of IETF 105 is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html > . > IDR will meet three times: > > > > l 1st session: Wednesday afternoon (13:30~15:30) > > l 2nd session: Friday morning (10:00~12:00) > > l 3rd session: Friday afternoon (12:20~13:50) > > > > The 1st and 2nd sessions are normal IDR sessions, the 3rd session is a > joint session with security people to handle the IPSEC tunnel related > drafts. > > > > Please send any IDR agenda items you have to me and CC the chairs. Please > include the name of the person who will be presenting, and the estimate > time you'll need (including Q/A). You may also indicate which session you > would prefer. > > > > If you plan to make a presentation, please keep in mind the IDR tradition= , > "no Internet Draft - no time slot". You should also plan to send your > slides to me and CC the chairs no later than 24 hours prior to the IDR > meeting, though earlier is better. If we don't have your slides by the > deadline, you may lose your slot. Please number your slides for the benef= it > of remote attendees. By default your slides will be converted to PDF and > presented from the PDF. If you need to use any fancy builds or transition= s, > please make sure to arrange this with us in advance. Thanks. > > > > And potential presenters, please take a look at the checklist for > presenting at IDR: > > > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting= %20at%20an%20IDR%20meeting > > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --=20 Best regards, Alexander Azimov --000000000000c54dfb058d2f63d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear colleagues,

I would= like to reserve 10 minutes slot to discuss changes in https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy.


=D1= =87=D1=82, 27 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 18:05, Dongjie (Jimmy= ) <jie.dong@huawei.com>:

= Hi Linda,

= =C2=A0

= In case you missed one point in my previous mail, the third IDR session whi= ch is scheduled on Friday is to discuss several IPsec tunnel related drafts= , and security experts will also be invited. It would be helpful if you could attend that session and present your draf= t there.

= =C2=A0

= Best regards,

= Jie

= =C2=A0

From: Linda Dunbar [mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:01 PM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: idr-cha= irs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Call for IETF105 IDR agenda items<= /p>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

IDR Ch= airs,

=C2=A0

I woul= d like to have 10 minutes slot on Wed IDR session to brief the changes to h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-02

=C2=A0

I have conflict on Friday, so n= eed IDR Wed slot.

=C2=A0

Thank = you very much,

=C2=A0

Linda = Dunbar

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy)
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:01 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: idr-cha= irs@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Call for IETF105 IDR agenda items

=C2=A0

Dear all,<= /p>

=C2=A0

The preliminary agenda of IETF = 105 is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html. IDR will meet thr= ee times:

=C2=A0

l=C2=A0 1st session: We= dnesday afternoon (13:30~15:30)

l=C2=A0 2nd session: Fr= iday morning (10:00~12:00)

l=C2=A0 3rd session: Fr= iday afternoon (12:20~13:50)

=C2=A0

The 1st and 2nd= sessions are normal IDR sessions, the 3rd session is a jo= int session with security people to handle the IPSEC tunnel related drafts.=

=C2=A0

Please send any IDR agenda item= s you have to me and CC the chairs. Please include the name of the person w= ho will be presenting, and the estimate time you'll need (including Q/A= ). You may also indicate which session you would prefer.

=C2=A0

If you plan to make a presentat= ion, please keep in mind the IDR tradition, "no Internet Draft - no ti= me slot". You should also plan to send your slides to me and CC the ch= airs no later than 24 hours prior to the IDR meeting, though earlier is better. If we don't have your slides by the deadline= , you may lose your slot. Please number your slides for the benefit of remo= te attendees. By default your slides will be converted to PDF and presented= from the PDF. If you need to use any fancy builds or transitions, please make sure to arrange this with us in a= dvance. Thanks.

=C2=A0

And potential presenters, pleas= e take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR:<= /p>

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wi= ki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%20at%20an%20IDR%20meeting=

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

_______________________________________________
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Best regards,
Alexander Azimov
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Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to > this idea "just making sense". I support publication. 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Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:35:44 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: idr@ietf.org, Susan Hares Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> References: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> X-Readdle-Message-ID: e9b85b45-ed36-4522-a663-82640818efa4@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5d239b1f_71f32454_c7f7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 19:36:18 -0000 --5d239b1f_71f32454_c7f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sue, yes/support Cheers, Jeff On Jul 8, 2019, 10:03 AM -0700, Susan Hares , wrote: > Greetings: > > The email list support for this draft did not receive as many comments = as I expected. =C2=A0=C2=A0Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vaca= tions or due to this idea =E2=80=9Cjust making sense=E2=80=9D. > > Since one of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of su= pport.=C2=A0 Please send in comments or just a comment for =E2=80=9Csuppo= rt=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for this draft. > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > =46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Susan Hare= s > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM > To: idr=40ietf.org > Subject: =5BIdr=5D draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt -= WG LC =5B=5D6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019=5D > > This begins a 2 week IDR =C2=A0WG Last Call (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabil= ities-registry-change-05.txt. > > The document is at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-c= hange/ > > As registration document, there is no implementation report. > > Please indicate in comments to the IDR =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for WG LC. > Consider: > > Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes he= lp speed up processing=3F > Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change=3F > Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW docume= nt=3F > > John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft. > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Idr mailing list > Idr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --5d239b1f_71f32454_c7f7 Content-Type: text/html; 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yes/support&=23160;

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 8, 2019, 10:03 AM -0700, Sus= an Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, wrote:

Greeting= s:

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The emai= l list support for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expec= ted. &=23160;&=23160;Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations = or due to this idea =E2=80=9Cjust making sense=E2=80=9D.&=23160;

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Since on= e of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support.&=23= 160; Please send in comments or just a comment for =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for this draft.

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Cheerily= , Susan Hares

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=46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of S= usan Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM
To: idr=40ietf.org
Subject: =5BIdr=5D draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.= txt - WG LC =5B=5D6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019=5D

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This begins a 2 week IDR &=23160;WG Last Call = (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt. &=23160;

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The document is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change/

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As registration document, there is no implemen= tation report.&=23160;

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Please indicate in comments to the IDR =E2=80=9C= support=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for WG LC.

Consider:

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Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes= help speed up processing=3F

Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change=3F=

Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW doc= ument=3F

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John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd= /chair on this draft.&=23160;

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Dissemination of Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO3) Flow Specification Rules Authors : Donald Eastlake Weiguo Hao Shunwan Zhuang Zhenbin Li Rong Gu Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-06.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This draft specifies a new subset of component types to support the (Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO3)) flow-spec application. 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No other changes are made. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:06 PM wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. > > Title : BGP Dissemination of Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO3) Flow Specification Rules > Authors : Donald Eastlake > Weiguo Hao > Shunwan Zhuang > Zhenbin Li > Rong Gu > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-06.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2019-07-08 > > Abstract: > This draft specifies a new subset of component types to support the > (Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO3)) flow-spec application. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Jul 8 13:11:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E25120086 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCilV20-81wC for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4053A120059 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hkZyy-0001hg-9g (job@us.ntt.net) for idr@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:11:28 +0000 Received: by mail-ot1-f48.google.com with SMTP id n5so17541969otk.1 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXfKlZ8aULvzKfEr6BENcQlrQcfVjz4CJQ0VipPgOQxVAa7RW0M L9ZGi1Eq6/cX30AdtJ7dr0M+0CtUP6I1DTaXmq6inA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwhELUukkN1yi7Ye7T1tD+7NBST7hlM4IXtUyHX8KySYSH8aLPopPe5r2PWh8Ag+ZvPWPax0yVuI2d+dN4nDEc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7a9a:: with SMTP id l26mr14826208otn.71.1562616687947; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:11:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <012c01d51fb1$ce221430$6a663c90$@ndzh.com> <013f01d535ad$a2f5a6c0$e8e0f440$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <013f01d535ad$a2f5a6c0$e8e0f440$@ndzh.com> From: Job Snijders Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 22:11:16 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Susan Hares Cc: idr wg , draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler plate X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:11:39 -0000 Dear Susan, This is a bis on RFC 8203, I am not sure that 5378 applies because of this indirection. I think any 5378-related concerns were already dealt with in the progression of draft-ietf-idr-shutdown towards RFC 8203. I acknowledge the nit, but I am not sure we need to deal with it right now Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Susan Hares wrote: > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > I do not see a revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses th= e IPR issues below. I=E2=80=99d love to start the WG LC, but I need you t= o address this NIT. > > > > Perhaps you can do this today before the IETF draft deadline. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > > > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM > To: idr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the = boiler plate > > > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > I have all IPR statement for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis, but I do not hav= e a version -05.txt that takes care of the following NIT. > > > > -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but ma= y > > have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. If = you > > have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing to = grant > > the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can i= gnore > > this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaime= r. > > (See the Legal Provisions document at > > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.) > > > > > > Because I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply asked= you to resolve the NIT with -05.txt. > > > > If I am wrong, please let me know. I would like to get this document int= o WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > From nobody Mon Jul 8 13:20:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC9C1202AC for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=umn.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPzB2Huw1aZ8 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta-p6.oit.umn.edu (mta-p6.oit.umn.edu [134.84.196.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E7E120090 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta-p6.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354477D1 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 20:20:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at umn.edu Received: from mta-p6.oit.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta-p6.oit.umn.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAUxe0DB8lkC for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-vs1-f70.google.com (mail-vs1-f70.google.com [209.85.217.70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mta-p6.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7592A09 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f70.google.com with SMTP id j186so2048124vsc.11 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umn.edu; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MWzWsTnNLuXJMJ9/8sVQ4F95s2BnzQpphrd4GU6ge/g=; b=EmgLdivPQV6NQOXJwiIkx8p+ZqJu9OT2X0YykzFR+uE5qGjEYif4GyOvUSDHpzV9Ha 1DHRELMUJV+I+E7GgFOX7VvOQpiu7J1cAPAbDGV9HohI3yJ13TpzP2KcVtQm1T+VSvQ2 mc4V6N0OgohKkj8jiwFKd30hrhVacybcR6sUfJkhP1npynxTwcl8oWWm6H7DtIebR6dt LXTifDY10vDlqDcS42yE0P0Fz82FYZqdumvj0D0Paj7Y13pkfO3DMWKrGIousCvjFyfU m/piNZmwMUHic0f2aEvCjhIUd5kKPYp1uDTucdYaugMraGSaZGMIpv0M7pDfv8VDiObV 55Ug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MWzWsTnNLuXJMJ9/8sVQ4F95s2BnzQpphrd4GU6ge/g=; b=eKRjaKfrgiuAxpLql/9QrElaQvRfqa3zygWHHjlopCeGTPD6NDCy6MHsL0LRz639WL lQ1S35QjSkLcX2xgfGHMa//FpPvrKzhU5TX46V66zxdHmkYQjlblII8ElO5dxsemOhOa XZQFqLroc/b7Q0YLMkEVw1zwZ7TRKc+eHtNe6uPh7BxYJfw4BsSyTbrZgfK0uafrw6AS 0/Xjz/O0zRqvkPDMH3pwzZukVPHQzskd4SkfxoMwqLNtDJjrcsG15Uk3Z7jcN0veQ03i XZRBIa46bI+SExNW1/HU9gxctFFiTBl/TEAUo2TkdhAOx0n2JTr43FyPiWp0SztN37PJ jlnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXQqbO9elz4seaLMZuXNGCr8Z/ouQuhLO/5Z1+8TCLb8TjhzC3/ zgUr/WAsQgQ7SfJmM+Q5Okn7ZgtMusXdHwzGCh2GxW7LqTGuWfAjhAc7BGp5zBOiUt9H9L9Vl8/ jJHVp+ipuAYObWuAmE+7WAlY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:85:: with SMTP id t5mr12655723vsp.221.1562617210854; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwlb/RlIT10LJTGcF+r5/sZshzKKZgDJ4epZNgKzaHeVySi93voXf8xWvy3afnuV1gyl7mXCE0xb+dXP/W507k= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:85:: with SMTP id t5mr12655642vsp.221.1562617210266; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <012c01d51fb1$ce221430$6a663c90$@ndzh.com> <013f01d535ad$a2f5a6c0$e8e0f440$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: From: David Farmer Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: To: Job Snijders Cc: Susan Hares , idr wg , draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bcff24058d312b7f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler plate X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:20:24 -0000 --000000000000bcff24058d312b7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:12 PM Job Snijders wrote: > Dear Susan, > > This is a bis on RFC 8203, I am not sure that 5378 applies because of > this indirection. I think any 5378-related concerns were already dealt > with in the progression of draft-ietf-idr-shutdown towards RFC 8203. > > I acknowledge the nit, but I am not sure we need to deal with it right no= w > > Kind regards, > > Job > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Susan Hares wrote: > > > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > > > > > I do not see a revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses > the IPR issues below. I=E2=80=99d love to start the WG LC, but I need y= ou to > address this NIT. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can do this today before the IETF draft deadline. > > > > > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM > > To: idr@ietf.org > > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org > > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address th= e > boiler plate > > > > > > > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > > > > > I have all IPR statement for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis, but I do not > have a version -05.txt that takes care of the following NIT. > > > > > > > > -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but > may > > > > have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. I= f > you > > > > have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing t= o > grant > > > > the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can > ignore > > > > this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 > disclaimer. > > > > (See the Legal Provisions document at > > > > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply > asked you to resolve the NIT with -05.txt. > > > > > > > > If I am wrong, please let me know. I would like to get this document > into WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points. > > > > > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --000000000000bcff24058d312b7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:12 PM Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
Dear Susan,

This is a bis on RFC 8203, I am not sure that 5378 applies because of
this indirection. I think any 5378-related concerns were already dealt
with in the progression of draft-ietf-idr-shutdown towards RFC 8203.

I acknowledge the nit, but I am not sure we need to deal with it right now<= br>
Kind regards,

Job

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>
> Job, Jakob, John and Alex:
>
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>
> I do not see a revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses= the IPR issues below.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I=E2=80=99d love to start the WG LC, but= I need you to address this NIT.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you can do this today before the IETF draft deadline.
>
>
>
> Cheerily, Susan Hares
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM
> To: idr@ietf.org=
> Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address t= he boiler plate
>
>
>
> Job, Jakob, John and Alex:
>
>
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> I have all IPR statement for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis,=C2=A0 but I do= not have a version -05.txt that takes care of the following NIT.
>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0-- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378= work, but may
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have content which was first submitted before 10 N= ovember 2008.=C2=A0 If you
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have contacted all the original authors and they a= re all willing to grant
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is f= ine, and you can ignore
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 this comment.=C2=A0 If not, you may need to add th= e pre-RFC5378 disclaimer.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (See the Legal Provisions document at
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info<= /a> for more information.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Because I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply as= ked you to resolve the NIT with -05.txt.
>
>
>
> If I am wrong, please let me know.=C2=A0 I would like to get this docu= ment into WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points.
>
>
>
> Sue Hares
>
>
>
>

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--000000000000bcff24058d312b7f-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 13:27:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10301201CB; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156261760965.976.13144532850149406653@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:26:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:26:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Dissemination of L2VPN Flow Specification Rules Authors : Weiguo Hao Donald E. Eastlake James Uttaro Stephane Litkowski Shunwan Zhuang Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document defines a BGP flow-spec extension to disseminate L2 VPN Ethernet traffic filtering rules. SAFI=134 in draft-ietf-idr- rfc5575bis is redefined for this purpose. A new subset of component types and extended community also are defined. A new subset of component types and new extended community also are defined. 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No other changes are made. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:30 PM wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. > > Title : BGP Dissemination of L2VPN Flow Specification Rules > Authors : Weiguo Hao > Donald E. Eastlake > James Uttaro > Stephane Litkowski > Shunwan Zhuang > Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2019-07-08 > > Abstract: > This document defines a BGP flow-spec extension to disseminate L2 VPN > Ethernet traffic filtering rules. SAFI=134 in draft-ietf-idr- > rfc5575bis is redefined for this purpose. A new subset of component > types and extended community also are defined. A new subset of > component types and new extended community also are defined. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Mon Jul 8 14:26:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FE8120041; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gq1XikfV5WX0; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 14:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2110B120073; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 14:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'David Farmer'" , "'Job Snijders'" Cc: "'idr wg'" , References: <012c01d51fb1$ce221430$6a663c90$@ndzh.com> <013f01d535ad$a2f5a6c0$e8e0f440$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: <006601d535d3$d3322c70$79968550$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01D535B2.4C208C70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIP58qHinhQzLAck2vdlsIVwjJB3AJR65T6AtgdAuoCWeqfQ6YPt+0w Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler plate X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:26:50 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D535B2.4C208C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Job: =20 It is better to deal with it now rather than after the WG LC. However, = If I do not see the change by tomorrow morning =E2=80=93 I will start = the WG LC.=20 =20 Seu=20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 4:20 PM To: Job Snijders Cc: idr wg; Susan Hares; draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address = the boiler plate =20 =20 =20 On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:12 PM Job Snijders wrote: Dear Susan, This is a bis on RFC 8203, I am not sure that 5378 applies because of this indirection. I think any 5378-related concerns were already dealt with in the progression of draft-ietf-idr-shutdown towards RFC 8203. I acknowledge the nit, but I am not sure we need to deal with it right = now Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Susan Hares wrote: > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > I do not see a revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses = the IPR issues below. I=E2=80=99d love to start the WG LC, but I need = you to address this NIT. > > > > Perhaps you can do this today before the IETF draft deadline. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > > > > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM > To: idr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address = the boiler plate > > > > Job, Jakob, John and Alex: > > > > I have all IPR statement for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis, but I do not = have a version -05.txt that takes care of the following NIT. > > > > -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but = may > > have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. = If you > > have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing = to grant > > the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you = can ignore > > this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 = disclaimer. > > (See the Legal Provisions document at > > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.) > > > > > > Because I think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply = asked you to resolve the NIT with -05.txt. > > > > If I am wrong, please let me know. I would like to get this document = into WG LC, but I need a resolution on this points. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr =20 --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu = =20 Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota =20 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D535B2.4C208C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Job:

 

It is better to deal with it now rather than after the WG LC.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0However, If I do not see the change by tomorrow morning =E2=80=93 = I will start the WG LC.

 

Seu

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David = Farmer
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 4:20 PM
To: Job = Snijders
Cc: idr wg; Susan Hares; = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC = for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the boiler = plate

 

 

 

On = Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:12 PM Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> = wrote:

Dear = Susan,

This is a bis on RFC 8203, I am not sure that 5378 applies = because of
this indirection. I think any 5378-related concerns were = already dealt
with in the progression of draft-ietf-idr-shutdown = towards RFC 8203.

I acknowledge the nit, but I am not sure we = need to deal with it right now

Kind regards,

Job

On = Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>
> Job, = Jakob, John and Alex:
>
>
>
> I do not see a = revision to draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 that addresses the IPR issues = below.   I=E2=80=99d love to start the WG LC, but I need you = to address this NIT.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you can do = this today before the IETF draft = deadline.
>
>
>
> Cheerily, Susan = Hares
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Idr = [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:28 PM
> To: idr@ietf.org
> = Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis@ietf.org
> = Subject: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis - need to address the = boiler plate
>
>
>
> Job, Jakob, John and = Alex:
>
>
>
> I have all IPR statement for = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis,  but I do not have a version -05.txt = that takes care of the following = NIT.
>
>
>
>   -- The document seems = to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may
>
>  =     have content which was first submitted before 10 November = 2008.  If you
>
>      have contacted = all the original authors and they are all willing to = grant
>
>      the BCP78 rights to the IETF = Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore
>
>  =     this comment.  If not, you may need to add the = pre-RFC5378 disclaimer.
>
>      (See the = Legal Provisions document at
>
>      https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more = information.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Because I = think it is a NIT rather than an IPR issue, I have simply asked you to = resolve the NIT with -05.txt.
>
>
>
> If I am = wrong, please let me know.  I would like to get this document into = WG LC, but I need a resolution on this = points.
>
>
>
> Sue = Hares
>
>
>
>

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Networking & = Telecommunication Services
Office of Information = Technology
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------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D535B2.4C208C70-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 16:50:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8A11203B2; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156262980675.865.14835007046260285344@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:50:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-09.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 23:50:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Revised Validation Procedure for BGP Flow Specifications Authors : James Uttaro Juan Alcaide Clarence Filsfils David Smith Pradosh Mohapatra Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-09.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document describes a modification to the validation procedure defined in RFC 5575bis for the dissemination of BGP Flow Specifications. RFC 5575bis requires that the originator of the Flow Specification matches the originator of the best-match unicast route for the destination prefix embedded in the Flow Specification. This allows only BGP speakers within the data forwarding path (such as autonomous system border routers) to originate BGP Flow Specifications. Though it is possible to disseminate such Flow Specifications directly from border routers, it may be operationally cumbersome in an autonomous system with a large number of border routers having complex BGP policies. 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Nandan Saha Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:36:23 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi , "idr@ietf.org" , Chaitanya Varma , Ramanathan Selvamani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000056d960058d38864c" X-CLOUD-SEC-AV-Info: arista,google_mail,monitor X-CLOUD-SEC-AV-Sent: true X-Gm-Spam: 0 X-Gm-Phishy: 0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 05:06:38 -0000 --00000000000056d960058d38864c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ketan, Maybe it makes sense to reword this a little bit? The point about multiple RTs in the update is fine, but the confusion probably stems from "match one of the BGP identifiers" If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order to If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route target MUST match the BGP Identifier of the receiver in order Thanks, Nandan On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > The reason for allowing multiple RTs is if the same SR Policy needs to be > delivered to multiple headend routers. It need not be read as a BGP route= r > having more than one BGP identifier. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 08 July 2019 10:09 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org; > Ramanathan Selvamani > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the response. > > Additionally, we have more queries as follows: > > > > > > The draft says that > > "One or more IPv4 address format route-target extended community > > ([RFC4360 ]) attached to the S= R Policy advertisement and that > > indicates the intended head-end of such SR Policy advertisement." > > > > Here one or more RTs are attached to match specific headend? > > > > " If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one route > target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the receiver in order > for the update to be considered usable." > > Can a BGP peer have more than one BGP identifier? > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > The purpose of the RT is to indicate the specific headend for which the S= R > Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenario where multiple RTs will b= e > associated with a single update. > > > > Even if it were, I am not sure we normally strip out RTs automatically > without some specific route policy being applied. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 26 June 2019 12:56 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org; > Ramanathan Selvamani > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > We have some more doubts as follows: > > > > "Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise > > them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers). The > > policy advertisement uses BGP extensions defined in this document. > > The policy advertisement is, in most but not all of the cases, > > tailored for a specific policy head-end. In this case the > > advertisement may sent on a BGP session to that head-end and not > > propagated any further." > > > > If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same Update message, > > 1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we strip down that > particular RT to avoid advertising it further? > > > > Thanks > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Gurusiddesh, > > > > Please check inline below > > > > *From:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Sent:* 07 May 2019 17:11 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Chaitanya Varma ; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Mail regarding > draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Additionally, we have more queries as follows > > > > *"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress router) advertises SR* > > * Policies representing paths to itself. In this case, it is possible* > > * to send the policy to each head-end over a BGP session to that head-* > > * end, without requiring any further propagation of the policy."* > > > > How does an egress router advertise SR policies representing paths to > itself? > > *[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own router-id in the NLRI and s= etting > the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in the router-target extended comm= unity.* > > Is it done through BGP configuration or any other trigger? > > *[KT] This would be implementation specific based on the > use-case/workflow.* > > > In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated? > > *[KT] This is again implementation specific. It could be done by some TE > module on the egress BGP router that has topology visibility from the > ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend > computes a path from itself to an endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint= computing > path to itself from some headend.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Regards > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Chaitanya, > > > > Please check inline below. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Chaitanya Varma > *Sent:* 30 April 2019 13:34 > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Cc:* Gurusiddesh Nidasesi > *Subject:* [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy > > > > Hi, > > > > I have couple of queries from the below draft. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05 > > > > * =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines the set of policies and adve= rtise* > > * them to policy head-end routers (typically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D= * > > > > How do we communicate SR policies from controller? Is it through BGP-SR > session or PCEP session. > > *[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for signalling SR Policies from a > controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) below.* > > > > a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the PCC is non-headend? > > b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP between PCE and PCC? > > *[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation of SR Policies. Yet > another option is using netconf/yang or another method for provisioning. > This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.* > > > > * =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached to the= * > > > > * advertisement=E2=80=9D *How Route-target should be attached to a SR-N= LRI > update? > > *[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attribute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 = of the > draft.* > > > > Is it done through local configuration or picked up based on some dynamic > parameter? > > *[KT] It is done by the controller and may be done via local config =E2= =80=93 > either along with the SR Policy or route policy or even dynamically based > on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Ketan* > > > > Appreciate if you can help here. > > > > > > Regards, > > Chaitanya > > > > > .. > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Gurusiddesh V N > > > . > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --00000000000056d960058d38864c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ketan,
Maybe it makes sense to reword th= is a little bit? The point about multiple RTs in the update is fine, but th= e confusion probably stems from "match one of the BGP identifiers"= ;
If one or more route-targets are present, then at least one rou= te=C2=A0 target MUST match=C2=A0one of the BGP Identifiers=C2=A0of the receiver in order
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If one or more route-targets are present,= then at least one route=C2=A0 target MUST match=C2=A0the BGP Identifier=C2=A0of the receiver i= n order

Thanks,
Nandan
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:46 AM= Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@c= isco.com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

The reason for allowing multiple RTs is if the= same SR Policy needs to be delivered to multiple headend routers. It need = not be read as a BGP router having more than one BGP identifier.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:09
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org; Ramanathan Selvama= ni <ramanathan.selvamani@ipinfusion.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The draft says that=C2=A0

"One= or more IPv4 address format route-target extended community<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ([RFC43=
60]) attached to the SR Policy advertisement and that=C2=A0

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 indicates the intended head-end of such SR Policy advertiseme= nt."

=C2=A0

Here one or more RTs are attached to match specific = headend?

=C2=A0

"=C2=A0If one or more route-targets are present= , then at least one route=C2=A0 target MUST match one of the BGP Identifiers of the = receiver in order=C2=A0 for the update to be considered usable."

Can a BGP peer have more than one BGP identifier?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:29 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

The purpose of the RT is to indicate the specific he= adend for which the SR Policy is for. So I am not sure of the scenario wher= e multiple RTs will be associated with a single update.

=C2=A0

Even if it were, I am not sure we normally strip out= RTs automatically without some specific route policy being applied.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 26 June 2019 12:56
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org; Ramanat= han Selvamani <ramanathan.selvamani@ipinfusion.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

We have some more doubts as follows:

=C2=A0

"Typicall=
y, a controller defines the set of policies and advertise<=
/u>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end route=
rs (typically ingress routers).=C2=A0 The
=C2=A0=C2=A0 policy advertisement uses BGP=
 extensions defined in this document.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The policy advertisement is, =
in most but not all of the cases,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 tailored for a specific polic=
y head-end.=C2=A0 In this case the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement may sent on a B=
GP session to that head-end and not
=C2=A0=C2=A0 propagated =
any further."<=
/pre>

=C2=A0<=
u>

If controller sends multiple unique RTs in the same = Update message,

1. Once the SR policy reaches the Headend, should we= strip down that particular RT to avoid advertising it further?

=C2=A0<=
u>
Thanks=C2=A0

Gurusiddesh V N
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Gurusiddesh,

=C2=A0

Please check inline below

=C2=A0

From: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&= gt;
Sent: 07 May 2019 17:11
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Chaitanya Varma <chaitanya.varma@ipinfusion.com>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-= policy

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quick response.

Additionally, we have more queries as follows=

=C2=A0

"Alternatively, a router (i.e., a BGP egress= router) advertises SR

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Policies representing paths to itsel= f.=C2=A0 In this case, it is possible

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to send the policy to each head-end = over a BGP session to that head-

=C2=A0 end, without requiring any further propaga= tion of the policy."

=C2=A0

How does an egress router advertise SR policies repr= esenting paths to itself?

[KT] By setting endpoint to it=E2=80=99s own r= outer-id in the NLRI and setting the ingress router=E2=80=99s router-id in = the router-target extended community.

Is it done through BGP configuration or any other tr= igger?

[KT] This would be implementation specific bas= ed on the use-case/workflow.


In the above case how ERO (SID-List) is calculated?

[KT] This is again implementation specific. It= could be done by some TE module on the egress BGP router that has topology= visibility from the ingress router to itself. It would be kind of reverse of how a headend computes a path from itself to a= n endpoint =E2=80=93 this is the endpoint computing path to itself from som= e headend.

Thanks,

Ketan

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Regards

Gurusiddesh V N

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On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:34 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant) <ketant@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi Chaitanya,

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Please check inline below.

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chaitanya Varma
Sent: 30 April 2019 13:34
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: Gurusiddesh Nidasesi <gurusiddesh.nidasesi@ipinfusion.com&g= t;
Subject: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-poli= cy

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Hi,

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I have couple of queries from the below draft.

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https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-05

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=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Typically, a controller defines = the set of policies and advertise

=C2=A0=C2=A0 them to policy head-end routers (typ= ically ingress routers).=E2=80=9D

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How do we communicate SR policies from controller? I= s it through BGP-SR session or PCEP session.

[KT] This draft is all about using BGP for sig= nalling SR Policies from a controller to the head-end routers. So yes (b) b= elow.

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a. If it is through PCEP session what happens if the= PCC is non-headend?

b. If it is through BGP-SR what is the role for PCEP= between PCE and PCC?

[KT] PCEP is another flavour for instantiation= of SR Policies. Yet another option is using netconf/yang or another method= for provisioning. This draft is about using BGP and PCEP is not required.



=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C Moreover, one or more route-target SHOULD be attached t= o the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement=E2=80=9D

How Route-target should be attached to a SR-NLRI update? =

[KT] As Route Target Extended Communities attr= ibute =E2=80=93 ref sec 1 of the draft.

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Is it done through local configuration or picked up = based on some dynamic parameter?

[KT] It is done by the controller and may be d= one via local config =E2=80=93 either along with the SR Policy or route pol= icy or even dynamically based on the head-end address. This would be implementation specific.

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Thanks,

Ketan

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Appreciate if you can help here.

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Regards,

Chaitanya

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Martin Juniper Business Use Only From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 19:00 To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG = LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) Greetings: The email list support for this draft did not receive as many comments as I= expected. Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to = this idea "just making sense". Since one of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of suppor= t. Please send in comments or just a comment for "support" or "no support"= for this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC [= ]6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] This begins a 2 week IDR WG Last Call (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-reg= istry-change-05.txt. The document is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-chang= e/ As registration document, there is no implementation report. Please indicate in comments to the IDR "support" or "no support" for WG LC. Consider: 1. Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes = help speed up processing? 2. Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change? 3. Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW docu= ment? John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_DM6PR05MB541838851CB13C8A20FA037CB9F10DM6PR05MB5418namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I support the publication.

 

Martin

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 19:00
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.tx= t - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to = 7/15)

 

Greetings: =

 

The email list support= for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expected.   = ;Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to this idea &#= 8220;just making sense”. 

 

Since one of the WG ch= airs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support.  Please send i= n comments or just a comment for “support” or “no support= ” for this draft.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares<= o:p>

 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - = WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019]

 

This begins a 2 week IDR  WG Last Call (LC) on = ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt.  

 

The document is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-= capabilities-registry-change/

 

As registration document, there is no implementation= report. 

 

Please indicate in comments to the IDR “suppor= t” or “no support” for WG LC.

Consider:

 

  1. Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes = help speed up processing?
  2. Is there any technical or operational issue in making= this change?
  3. Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time = as any GROW document?

 

John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair= on this draft. 

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

--_000_DM6PR05MB541838851CB13C8A20FA037CB9F10DM6PR05MB5418namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 9 02:35:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AE71200F7 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 02:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L5xO-YKE5lyP for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 02:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ADA41200B6 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 02:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.65]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45jcc85bMLz10CH; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.64]) by opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45jcc84KTfzDq8X; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b846:2467:1591:5d9d]) by OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:35:04 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares , "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) Thread-Index: AdU1rm8JfKzi+/aVSh+TUngEcaoIPgAh2EtA Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <23777_1562664904_5D245FC8_23777_416_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B63C8A@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B63C8AOPEXCAUBM43corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 09:35:10 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B63C8AOPEXCAUBM43corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support progressing this draft. 1) As the introduction states it, the current situation is not satisfa= ctory. We need to improve to it, so IMHO in this case, the bias should be t= oward progressing the document rather than not progressing it. 2) That specific proposal is good and has been commented multiple time= s on the list. AFAIR, the author has updated the document to reflect WG com= ments. On a side note, as this document is not proposing a new fancy feature, it f= eels like understandable that it does not generate much excitation on the l= ist. =D8 Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change? Quite the opposite. There is operational issue in not making this change. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-4.1 Private Use - For private or local use only, with the type and purpose defined by the local site. No attempt is made to prevent multiple sites from using the same value in different (and incompatible) ways. [...] It is the responsibil= ity of the sites making use of the Private Use range to ensure that no conflicts occur (within the intended scope of use). EBGP sessions are very likely to not be limited to a "local site", and rfc5= 492 did not made any provision to handle such "private" code points any dif= ferently over EBGP session. (such as restricting/filtering over EBGP (both = when sending and receiving), or creating a local context/translation for th= is EBGP peer ). As a result, two implementations could advertise the same "= Private" code point over an EBGP session, for a different meaning, thereby = creating an interop issue that the network operator would likely can't prot= ect from). Thank you, --Bruno From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 7:00 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG = LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) Greetings: The email list support for this draft did not receive as many comments as I= expected. Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to = this idea "just making sense". Since one of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of suppor= t. Please send in comments or just a comment for "support" or "no support"= for this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC [= ]6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] This begins a 2 week IDR WG Last Call (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-reg= istry-change-05.txt. The document is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-chang= e/ As registration document, there is no implementation report. Please indicate in comments to the IDR "support" or "no support" for WG LC. Consider: 1) Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability code= s help speed up processing? 2) Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change? 3) Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW do= cument? John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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I support progressing th= is draft.

 =

1)    = ;  As the introduct= ion states it, the current situation is not satisfactory. We need to improve to it, so IMHO in this case, the bias should be toward = progressing the document rather than not progressing it.<= /p>

2)    = ;  That specific pr= oposal is good and has been commented multiple times on the list. AFAIR, the author has updated the document to reflect W= G comments.

 =

On a side note, as this = document is not proposing a new fancy feature, it feels like understandable that it does not generate much excitation on the= list.

 =

 =

=D8  Is there any technical or operational issue in making this chang= e?

 

Quite the opposite. Ther= e is operational issue in not making this change.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#sec= tion-4.1

      Private Use - For private or local use only, with the type and<= /o:p>

     &n= bsp;      purpose defined by the local site.&= nbsp; No attempt is made to

     &n= bsp;      prevent multiple sites from using the same value in

     &n= bsp;      different (and incompatible) ways.&= nbsp; […] It is the responsibility of the sites

     &n= bsp;      making use of the Private Use range to ensure that no

     &n= bsp;      conflicts occur (within the intended scope of use).

 =

EBGP sessions are very l= ikely to not be limited to a “local site”, and rfc5492 did not made any provision to handle such “private” code point= s any differently over EBGP session. (such as restricting/filtering over EB= GP (both when sending and receiving), or creating a local context/translati= on for this EBGP peer ). As a result, two implementations could advertise the same “Private” code point over an EBGP ses= sion, for a different meaning, thereby creating an interop issue that the n= etwork operator would likely can’t protect from).

 =

Thank you,

--Bruno

 =

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 7:00 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capa= bilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extendin= g this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15)

 

Greetings:

 

The email list support for th= is draft did not receive as many comments as I expected.   Perhap= s, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to this idea “just making sense”. 

 

Since one of the WG chairs is= an author, I do need a strong sense of support.  Please send in comme= nts or just a comment for “support” or “no support” for this draft.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - = WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019]

 

This begins a 2 week IDR  WG Last Call= (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt.  =

 

The document is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change/

 

As registration document, there is no imple= mentation report. 

 

Please indicate in comments to the IDR R= 20;support” or “no support” for WG LC.

Consider:

 

1= )   &= nbsp;  Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability c= odes help speed up processing?

2)    &nbs= p; Is there any technical or operational issue in making this chang= e?

3)    &nbs= p; Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW= document?

 

John Scudder is an author so I am the sheph= erd/chair on this draft. 

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

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Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:13:08 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01D53636.81652100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. . Please consider if you believe this revision of RFC8203 (Administrative Shutdown) a) Will benefit operational networks, b) is technically complete, and c) ready for publication. In your comments, please indicate whether you "support" or "do not support" its publication. This draft contains IPR notice that causes "IPR warnings". The authors believe that this text is automatically generated by the IETF tools and the warning is not appropriate. As the shepherd, I am investigating this issue. If you have specific knowledge on this issue, you may send it to the list or to me directly. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01D53636.81652100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from = July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. .

 

Please = consider if you believe this revision of RFC8203 (Administrative = Shutdown)

a)      = Will benefit operational = networks,

b)      = is technically complete, = and

c)       = ready for publication. =

 

In your comments, please indicate whether you = “support” or “do not support” its publication. =

 

This draft contains IPR notice that causes “IPR = warnings”.   The authors believe that this text is = automatically generated by the IETF tools and the warning is not = appropriate.   

 

As the = shepherd, I am  investigating this issue.   If you have = specific knowledge on this issue, you may send it to the list or to me = directly.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0121_01D53636.81652100-- From nobody Tue Jul 9 06:14:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F54B1201CE; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:14:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156267808464.15806.1777344005774761614.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 06:14:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] The IDR WG has placed draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:14:45 -0000 The IDR WG has placed draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Susan Hares) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence/ Comment: IPR call is in progress. From nobody Tue Jul 9 06:20:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54253120159; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLBIrBCkzyrI; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B825B120158; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Cc: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:20:50 -0400 Message-ID: <015301d53659$218744c0$6495ce40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0154_01D53637.9A75A4C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU2WNZtkzpisyONSLS8pMZXBp1bxA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:20:59 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01D53637.9A75A4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: This is an IPR call for adoption of draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt. The authors should indicate whether they know of any IPR. Jeff Haas indicated that I missed doing an adoption call for this draft. I apologize to the authors for this oversight. This draft has progressed in the meantime to having multiple implementations. With multiple implementations, this draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. The authors should be prepared to send in IPR statements at Adoption call and WG LC. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01D53637.9A75A4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings: =

 

This is an IPR call for adoption of = draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt.   The authors should = indicate whether they know of any IPR.

 

Jeff Haas = indicated that I missed doing an adoption call for this draft. =   I apologize to the authors for this oversight.  This = draft  has progressed in the meantime to having multiple = implementations.    With multiple implementations, this = draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. 

 

The authors = should be prepared to send in IPR statements at Adoption call and WG = LC. 

 

Sue Hares

------=_NextPart_000_0154_01D53637.9A75A4C0-- From nobody Tue Jul 9 06:23:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1441201E3; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:23:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156267858824.15786.7047138648983013599.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 06:23:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] The IDR WG has placed draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:23:08 -0000 The IDR WG has placed draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Susan Hares) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis/ From nobody Tue Jul 9 06:26:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8F4120158; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UF5h6coxCW9; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F72120157; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Cc: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: <016601d53659$d5399e50$7facdaf0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0167_01D53638.4E27FE50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdU2WY5xhMSSzDCSQfuwofFxpwoLiA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190704-0, 07/04/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:26:00 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01D53638.4E27FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: This is an IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption. The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related to this draft. The adoption call will begin after all authors and contributors have send in an IPR statement. Any other member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR statement. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01D53638.4E27FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings: =

 

This is an IPR call for = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption. =   The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related = to this draft.  The adoption call will begin after all authors and = contributors have send in an IPR statement.

 

Any other = member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR = statement.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, There is an IPR already registered on rfc7752 and since this is a bis draft= , I would assume that the same IPR applies to it as well? Besides that one IPR, I am not aware of any other IPR that applies to this = draft. Thanks, Ketan From: Susan Hares Sent: 09 July 2019 18:56 To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org Subject: IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt Greetings: This is an IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation f= or a WG adoption. The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR rel= ated to this draft. The adoption call will begin after all authors and con= tributors have send in an IPR statement. Any other member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR statement. Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_DM5PR11MB2027B1C1AB3739FE6B17CB77C1F10DM5PR11MB2027namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,

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There is = an IPR already registered on rfc7752 and since this is a bis draft, I would= assume that the same IPR applies to it as well?

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Besides t= hat one IPR, I am not aware of any other IPR that applies to this draft.

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Thanks,

Ketan

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From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: 09 July 2019 18:56
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt =

 

Greetings:

 

This is an IPR call for draft-k= etant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption.   T= he authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related to this draft. &= nbsp;The adoption call will begin after all authors and contributors have send in an IPR statement.

 

Any other member of IDR is welc= ome to send in a 3rd party IPR statement.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

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draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:09:42 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0CD7_01D53668.50593560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sue, I am not personally aware of any IPR that applies to this document, however, I suspect that the IPR disclosed against RFC 7752 also applies. I see that there are no authors of this draft affiliated with the owner of the IPR disclosed against RFC 7752 so I will file a third-party disclosure. Thanks, Adrian From: Susan Hares Sent: 09 July 2019 14:26 To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org Subject: IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt Greetings: This is an IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption. The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related to this draft. The adoption call will begin after all authors and contributors have send in an IPR statement. Any other member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR statement. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0CD7_01D53668.50593560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,

 

I am not = personally aware of any IPR that applies to this document, however, I = suspect that the IPR disclosed against RFC 7752 also = applies.

 

I see that = there are no authors of this draft affiliated with the owner of the IPR = disclosed against RFC 7752 so I will file a third-party = disclosure.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: Susan Hares = <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: 09 July 2019 = 14:26
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt

 

Greetings:

 

This is an IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt = in preparation for a WG adoption.   The authors should = indicate if they know of any IPR related to this draft.  The = adoption call will begin after all authors and contributors have send in = an IPR statement.

 

Any other member of IDR is welcome to send in a = 3rd party IPR statement.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

------=_NextPart_000_0CD7_01D53668.50593560-- From nobody Tue Jul 9 07:10:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE49120182 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afVjBILYkcIM for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55498120141 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 031AE1E2F2; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:12:19 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Cc: 'idr wg' Message-ID: <20190709141219.GA28552@pfrc.org> References: <012001d53658$0876c100$19644300$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <012001d53658$0876c100$19644300$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:10:50 -0000 Sue, On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 09:12:59AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from > July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. . > > > > In your comments, please indicate whether you "support" or "do not support" > its publication. I support publication. I will ironically note for the record that this version addresses my original concern about the string being too short in the original RFC. :-) -- Jeff From nobody Tue Jul 9 07:30:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF7D120165; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6a48sRdj5aRs; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44D98120118; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr22.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45jl8R4jbzz10K9; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.51]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45jl8R3tFrz1xpg; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:29:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b846:2467:1591:5d9d]) by OPEXCAUBM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::954c:232a:f07d:25af%21]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:29:59 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares CC: "draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org" , 'idr wg' Thread-Topic: IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] Thread-Index: AdU2WNZtkzpisyONSLS8pMZXBp1bxAACatkw Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 14:29:58 +0000 Message-ID: <29021_1562682599_5D24A4E7_29021_64_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B64787@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <015301d53659$218744c0$6495ce40$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <015301d53659$218744c0$6495ce40$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B64787OPEXCAUBM43corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:30:05 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48B64787OPEXCAUBM43corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not aware of non-disclosed IPR. -Bruno From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:21 PM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] Greetings: This is an IPR call for adoption of draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt= . The authors should indicate whether they know of any IPR. Jeff Haas indicated that I missed doing an adoption call for this draft. = I apologize to the authors for this oversight. This draft has progressed = in the meantime to having multiple implementations. With multiple implem= entations, this draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. The authors should be prepared to send in IPR statements at Adoption call a= nd WG LC. Sue Hares ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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I’m not aware of n= on-disclosed IPR.

 =

-Bruno=

 =

= From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:21 PM
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 -= 7/16]

 

Greetings:

 

This is an IPR call for adoption of draft-u= ttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt.   The authors should indicate w= hether they know of any IPR.

 

Jeff Haas indicated that I missed doing an = adoption call for this draft.   I apologize to the authors for th= is oversight.  This draft  has progressed in the meantime to having multiple implementations.    With multiple implem= entations, this draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. 

 

The authors should be prepared to send in I= PR statements at Adoption call and WG LC. 

 

Sue Hares 

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The title of the IPR disclosure is "Adrian Farrel's Statement about IPR related to draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis belonging to Juniper Networks" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue Jul 9 10:22:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B308C120802 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.703 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.703 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, PDS_NO_HELO_DNS=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zalRFjO50F74 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x735.google.com (mail-qk1-x735.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::735]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6CE9120807 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x735.google.com with SMTP id s145so13050009qke.7 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qGFpvIR6PB3/zsAt93WZgYrnLUBs3YWIOWMnMc2r1Ks=; b=NC8jXacfmZq4c8kWnMGXSoNHXYAyLnNMjbHz4BrW9rIToATU8/D1A4JeVnPGYsqGEf 2u48mMKlrZX+a/TQQOxuCUMksa0cXpUfSNoKWtNSqSbnShOIZ8TE2JdbrRSmmRV/fdew esfpKGUvRuJ+3sG8dPss6eP6YqedRApxUDrOLmDoguvwKIBqoQz2TnvYgSUZ6r6h3Igi LjnXKL7gPV4bi4l13sHX4LzTPLJsGxmnw7gJzm7Zd8N58wXYERwhKm6JpaqrcO8T7zW1 ToQa+zdvRYDpcUXFRI+KfIfRTMVQjAF20QvGExzPb95z3FCZ/xBTuYL7R7VIF/T9MQbW U0wQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qGFpvIR6PB3/zsAt93WZgYrnLUBs3YWIOWMnMc2r1Ks=; b=W1QrY9HyNCKlud3u3ldUz0oEMSN49SErsZy9l0CrUW3SlNR0nFpySK64fU1Sq4XaPH kH2vXBg2TgUikG9I4gOoEVmc2CNakCDwViaTpmgm62VUN/cDA5uLyrUqLKMkDj518WnK 9MzzA2Wml9Cjwj8IiPJCpTiIJ4PaSOLZn8/ElEWwC39U+n+qjkv7KVXgJavJWT2SEAph cYN1tB4rblY0WFAz2gqiyNStaAKRs9ntp0ihwdqE/Zr86b+/goBM9+mnmDEq3f+OmW79 /rojS+6mTId+5/ne6a3KUlvN7U2IMgM1ELCNA3884v/8ne6CeFcjfScQ6A0kr4NnUiVI xjMA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSzZfbXnNCtQr3kfGa2BMXX8zsQ7D6aYcCGyQ/ZJo9cFs6xMHj CVQ1jPPfRzNslCzNOi5pUW6CngDR5Suw0+E6GP6Gkg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwC+i5rlUTCEHYSv7yGkWZSWE1fTtXvGCOTiJfixLRPMbjeSgB0sfi0fBDqs5Zh2jFLkHWl+uL5R11EMpovV7Y= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:e64d:: with SMTP id x13mr18607483qkl.445.1562692946674; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:22:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <156258437287.1059.3258045720075872864@ietfa.amsl.com> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927CCEF5243@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927CCEF5243@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 19:22:16 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" Cc: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , Zhuangshunwan , "idr@ietf. org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fad973058d42cd11" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:22:44 -0000 --000000000000fad973058d42cd11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jie, I think you are underestimating the effort to implement it correctly on the RRs :) Two clarifications to my points below: > If one Update carries both RT and Node Target, then both rules would be used > separately to determine how to send and receive the Update. It is not about if those are used separately or together ... this is implementation detail. What however matters in the spec is clear articulation if update needs to be sent when RTC is asking for it yet Node Target does not list a given peer (and vice-versa). > [Jie] I don=E2=80=99t quite get your question here. The list of Node Targ= et extended communities > is not be modified by a route reflector unless a local address matches one of the node > target. As discussed above, the node target which identifies a peer node will not be removed by the RR. Yes I am pointing out the "unless" situation. When interface goes down to the peer you have sent it to you need to now resend that subset of updates with modified Ext Community Attribute to other peers. In general the draft does not even say if propagation between clients and non-clients still remains default as per 4456 or does your rules also apply between those groups ? Thx, RR :) On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:53 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > Thanks a lot for your prompt comments. Please see some replies inline wit= h > [Jie]. > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] > *Sent:* Monday, July 08, 2019 8:02 PM > *To:* Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) < > gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>; Dongjie (Jimmy) ; > Zhuangshunwan > *Cc:* idr@ietf. org > *Subject:* Re: I-D Action: draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt > > > > Dear authors, > > > > Let me start by restating that using a p2mp protocol to distribute > information in a p2p fashion is a bad thing. Your proposal just further > encourages folks to do continue use of BGP along those lines which is not= a > good thing. > > > > [Jie] This document just provides a mechanism to solve some operator=E2= =80=99s > requirement in using existing tools. It does not encourage anything:) > > > > Now few questions/observations: > > > > * You are explicitly breaking RFC4456. The node which does your policy > enforcement - let's call it - BGP Policy based Update Replicator (BGP PUR= ) > - no longer follows RFC4456 recommendations of route propagation from > client to non-client and from non-client to client. Sure you may define > such new functional block in BGP but IMHO this is no longer a vanilla Rou= te > Reflector with "just a little bit more filtering" :) > > > > [Jie] You are right this would require some update to vanilla RR > functionality, RFC 4456 may be updated by this document. In the past, RTC > has also made some changes to the RR behavior. > > > > * Assume that in my 500 PEs IPv6 network I want to distribute some > information to 100 of them. Very conservative case. So with the current > draft I will need to send with each route BGP Extended Community Attribut= e > of the 2K size. Well assume that BGP Extended Message is not there at lea= st > on one of the PEs the proposed scheme breaks. Did you ever consider to > actually define new attribute for this and support wildcard match/extende= d > community match length ? > > > > [Jie] The initial problem space is to distribute some information to one > or a small group of the BGP routers in the network. In the case you > described, wildcard matching may be more efficient, while it requires to > configure the 100 nodes with the same prefix for wildcard matching. > > > > * Can you describe the rational for keeping the Node Targets ext > communities still in the update when reflecting it to one of the targets = on > the list ? > > > > [Jie] The Node Target extended communities are used by the receiving node= s > to identify whether it should keep and use the received information or no= t. > With this mechanism, RR only need to check the and remove the node target > extended community which identifies itself, which is easier than checking > the IDs of all its clients. > > > > * Have you thought of using 4 octet BGP identifier instead of peering > address ? First you no longer need to struggle with IPv6 length, you no > longer worry about link-local peerings and you no longer need to touch al= l > senders when interface addresses get renumbered. > > > > [Jie] Good suggestion. This was discussed during the presentation of this > document in last year. We considered two options: using BGP Identifier or > the local (preferably the loopback IP address). As you mentioned, there a= re > some advantages in using BGP Identifier. We could make this change in nex= t > version. > > > > * RRs in general where designed and optimized to reflect all received > updates. RTC came and applied some outbound filters. Now your proposal > comes and applies new set of per peer dynamic filters. Putting > implementation details aside at min your proposal must define which filte= r > is more important RTC pushed from target or your Target RT pushed from > sources. > > > > [Jie] This is part of the reason of defining a new extended community > which is independent from RT. RTC rules applie to the RT in the VPN route= s, > while the rules defined in this document apply to this Node Target Extend= ed > Community. If one Update carries both RT and Node Target, then both rules > would be used separately to determine how to send and receive the Update. > > > > * How does your proposal works with RR hierarchy ? It seems pretty clear > that it only works with flat sender -- RR -- receiver architecture. > > > > [Jie] Good question. In general RR hierarchy could be supported, while > further study is needed to cover the corner cases, this is similar to the > work we have been doing with RTC. > > > > * How does your proposal work with confederations ? > > > > [Jie] If there is requirement to support confederation, It could be > covered in next version. > > > > * What happens when session to a peer goes down ? Would you now need to > remodify the list of Node Target Ext Comms and resend to other IBGP peers > including that node which you have lost IBGP to ? > > > > [Jie] I don=E2=80=99t quite get your question here. The list of Node Targ= et > extended communities is not be modified by a route reflector unless a loc= al > address matches one of the node target. As discussed above, the node targ= et > which identifies a peer node will not be removed by the RR. > > > > Essentially what you are defining is to push dynamic filtering policy fro= m > the src to the RRs hoping that RRs will honor it and apply proper outboun= d > filters. Moreover you are also adding new behaviour for RRs to modify > content of BGP attributes upon reflection. I think you are assuming that > all applicable implementations support dynamic update groups or are you > assuming that whenever such Node Target Ext Community arrive on the RR it > should switch for a given SAFI to per peer update generation ? > > > > [Jie] IMO the changes to the RR=E2=80=99s behavior in this document is sm= aller > than you thought, in current version it is hard to call it =E2=80=9CRR wi= th > outbound filtering=E2=80=9D, although it may be extended further in that = direction. > So far it does not require to support dynamic update groups. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > Best, > R. > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:13 PM wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : BGP Extended Community for Identifying the > Target Node > Authors : Jie Dong > Shunwan Zhuang > Gunter Van de Velde > Filename : draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2019-07-08 > > Abstract: > BGP has been used to distribute different types of routing and policy > information in the network. In some cases, the information > distributed may be only intended for one or several particular > receiving BGP nodes in the network. However, BGP does not have a > general mechanism for designating the receiving node of the routing > information. This document defines a new type of BGP extended > community called "Node Target". The mechanism of using the Node > Target extended community to steer BGP route distribution to > particular BGP nodes is specified. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm= -01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-0= 1 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000fad973058d42cd11 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jie,

I think you are unde= restimating the effort to implement it correctly on the RRs :)=C2=A0
<= div>
Two clarifications to my points below:=C2=A0

> If one Update carries both RT and Node Targe= t, then both rules would be used=C2=A0
> separa= tely to determine how to send and receive the Update.=C2=A0=C2=A0

It is not about if those are used separately or = together ... this is implementation detail.=C2=A0 What however matters in t= he spec is clear articulation if update needs to be sent when RTC is asking= for it yet Node Target does not list a given peer (and vice-versa).=C2=A0<= br>

> [Jie] I don=E2=80=99t quite get y= our question here. The list of Node Target extended communities=C2=A0
> is not be modified by a route reflector unless a l= ocal address matches one of the node=C2=A0
> ta= rget. As discussed above, the node target which identifies a peer node will= not be removed by the RR.=C2=A0=C2=A0

= Yes I am pointing out the "unless" situation.=C2=A0=C2=A0

When interface goes down to the peer you have sent it to = you need to now resend that subset of updates with modified Ext Community A= ttribute to other peers. In general the draft does not even say if propagat= ion between clients and non-clients still remains default as per 4456 or do= es your rules also apply between those groups ?=C2=A0=C2=A0
<= br>
Thx,
RR :)


On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:5= 3 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@hu= awei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0=

Thanks a lot for your promp= t comments. Please see some replies inline with [Jie].=

=C2=A0=

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 8:02 PM
To: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.= com>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>; Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc: idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt<= u>

=C2=A0

Dear authors,

=C2=A0

Let me start by restating that = using a p2mp protocol to distribute information in a p2p fashion is a bad t= hing. Your proposal just further encourages folks to do continue use of BGP= along those lines which is not a good thing.=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] This document just pr= ovides a mechanism to solve some operator=E2=80=99s requirement in using ex= isting tools. It does not encourage anything:)

=C2=A0

Now few questions/observations:= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

* You are explicitly breaking R= FC4456. The node which does your policy enforcement - let's call it - B= GP Policy based Update Replicator (BGP PUR) - no longer follows RFC4456 rec= ommendations of route propagation from client to non-client and from non-client to client. Sure you may define such new = functional block in BGP but IMHO this is no longer a vanilla Route Reflecto= r with "just a little bit more filtering" :)=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0=

[Jie] You are right this wo= uld require some update to vanilla RR functionality, RFC 4456 may be update= d by this document. In the past, RTC has also made some changes to the RR behavior.

=C2=A0

* Assume that in my 500 PEs IPv= 6 network I want to distribute some information to 100 of them. Very conser= vative case. So with the current draft I will need to send with each route = BGP Extended Community Attribute of the 2K size. Well assume that BGP Extended Message is not there at least o= n one of the PEs the proposed scheme breaks. Did you ever consider to actua= lly define new attribute for this and support wildcard match/extended commu= nity match length ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] The initial problem s= pace is to distribute some information to one or a small group of the BGP r= outers in the network. In the case you described, wildcard matching may be more efficient, while it requires to configure th= e 100 nodes with the same prefix for wildcard matching.

=C2=A0

* Can you describe the rational= for keeping the Node Targets ext communities still in the update when refl= ecting it to one of the targets on the list ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] The Node Target exten= ded communities are used by the receiving nodes to identify whether it shou= ld keep and use the received information or not. With this mechanism, RR only need to check the and remove the node ta= rget extended community which identifies itself, which is easier than check= ing the IDs of all its clients.

=C2=A0

* Have you thought of using 4 o= ctet BGP identifier instead of peering address ? First you no longer need t= o struggle with IPv6 length, you no longer worry about link-local peerings = and you no longer need to touch all senders when interface addresses get renumbered.=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] Good suggestion. This= was discussed during the presentation of this document in last year. We co= nsidered two options: using BGP Identifier or the local (preferably the loopback IP address). As you mentioned, there= are some advantages in using BGP Identifier. We could make this change in = next version.

=C2=A0

* RRs in general where designed= and optimized to reflect all received updates. RTC came and applied some o= utbound filters. Now your proposal comes and applies new set of per peer dy= namic filters. Putting implementation details aside at min your proposal must define which filter is more import= ant RTC pushed from target or your Target RT pushed from sources.=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0=

[Jie] This is part of the r= eason of defining a new extended community which is independent from RT. RT= C rules applie to the RT in the VPN routes, while the rules defined in this document apply to this Node Target Extende= d Community. If one Update carries both RT and Node Target, then both rules= would be used separately to determine how to send and receive the Update.<= u>

=C2=A0

* How does your proposal works = with RR hierarchy ? It seems pretty clear that it only works with flat send= er -- RR -- receiver architecture.=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] Good question. In gen= eral RR hierarchy could be supported, while further study is needed to cove= r the corner cases, this is similar to the work we have been doing with RTC.

=C2=A0

* How does your proposal work w= ith confederations ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] If there is requireme= nt to support confederation, It could be covered in next version.

=C2=A0

* What happens when session to = a peer goes down ? Would you now need to remodify the list of Node Target E= xt Comms and resend to other IBGP peers including that node which you have = lost IBGP to ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] I don=E2=80=99t quite= get your question here. The list of Node Target extended communities is no= t be modified by a route reflector unless a local address matches one of the node target. As discussed above, the node target which = identifies a peer node will not be removed by the RR.

=C2=A0

Essentially what you are defini= ng is to push dynamic filtering policy from the src to the RRs hoping that = RRs will honor it and apply proper outbound filters. Moreover you are also = adding new behaviour for RRs to modify content of BGP attributes upon reflection. I think you are assuming that a= ll applicable implementations support dynamic update groups or are you assu= ming that whenever such Node Target Ext Community arrive on the RR it shoul= d switch for a given SAFI to per peer update generation ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

[Jie] IMO the changes to th= e RR=E2=80=99s behavior in this document is smaller than you thought, in cu= rrent version it is hard to call it =E2=80=9CRR with outbound filtering=E2=80=9D, although it may be extended further in that direction.= So far it does not require to support dynamic update groups.=

= =C2=A0

Best regards,=

Jie

=C2=A0=

Best,
R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:1= 3 PM <inte= rnet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= BGP Extended Community for Identifying the Target Node
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jie = Dong
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Shunwan Zhuang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gunter Van de Velde
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-don= g-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 7
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-07-08

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGP has been used to distribute different types of routing and= policy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information in the network.=C2=A0 In some cases, the informati= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distributed may be only intended for one or several particular=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0receiving BGP nodes in the network.=C2=A0 However, BGP does no= t have a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0general mechanism for designating the receiving node of the ro= uting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information.=C2=A0 This document defines a new type of BGP ext= ended
=C2=A0 =C2=A0community called "Node Target".=C2=A0 The mechanism = of using the Node
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Target extended community to steer BGP route distribution to =C2=A0 =C2=A0particular BGP nodes is specified.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-idr-no= de-target-ext-comm/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft= -dong-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-don= g-idr-node-target-ext-comm-01


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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idr@ietf. org Subject: Re: [Idr] Returning draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis to WG, new 2 week = discussion period =20 On Jul 9, 2019, at 2:38 PM, John Scudder = wrote: =20 Yes, I will be finishing up document processing this afternoon. =20 =E2=80=A6 and done. =20 =E2=80=94John =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D53668.18151070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you!

 

Sue

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John = Scudder
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 2:43 PM
To: = Hares Susan
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis@ietf.org; idr@ietf. = org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Returning draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis to = WG, new 2 week discussion period

 

On Jul 9, = 2019, at 2:38 PM, John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dm= arc.ietf.org> wrote:

 

Yes, I = will be finishing up document processing this = afternoon.

 

=E2=80=A6 and done.

 

=E2=80=94John

 

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Hi all,

 

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--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927CCEFCBBENKGEML515MBSchi_-- From nobody Thu Jul 11 07:18:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C598812013C for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PcaSsYzsVaSn for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ECB12010F for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C58A1E2F2; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:19:20 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Robert Varga Cc: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:18:34 -0000 Followup, since this also popped up on my TODO: Juniper and Nokia have implementations. I requested in 2016 an early allocation on the BGP optional parameter code point. This has not been done. I believe once we have a re-publish of the document that we should proceed with a working group last call. -- Jeff On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Robert Varga wrote: > Hello, > > what is the current status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? > > The document itself is expired and looking through archives I only found > the June 2016 discussion which resulted in -05 and Jeff's July 2016 > mention the draft is being deployed and missing an early allocation. > > Has the document been actively abandoned, or is it just something that > fell through the cracks? > > Thanks, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Thu Jul 11 12:50:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94998120155 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GIrD6MC6Ccnt for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8848312008B for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Jeffrey Haas'" , "'Robert Varga'" Cc: References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01d53821$cfaa5320$6efef960$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKBpUx5vJi1ul2JlCuez0PwmGmdQAFNHv6qpWKP3BA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190711-4, 07/11/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:50:12 -0000 Do you still want an early allocation? We can suggest the value you already have used. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 10:19 AM To: Robert Varga Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? Followup, since this also popped up on my TODO: Juniper and Nokia have implementations. I requested in 2016 an early allocation on the BGP optional parameter code point. This has not been done. I believe once we have a re-publish of the document that we should proceed with a working group last call. -- Jeff On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Robert Varga wrote: > Hello, > > what is the current status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? > > The document itself is expired and looking through archives I only > found the June 2016 discussion which resulted in -05 and Jeff's July > 2016 mention the draft is being deployed and missing an early allocation. > > Has the document been actively abandoned, or is it just something that > fell through the cracks? > > Thanks, > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Thu Jul 11 14:13:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1E8120156 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bW0mj4vQVRYM for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A391200F8 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DA4961E2F2; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:15:07 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Cc: 'Robert Varga' , idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190711211507.GD4922@pfrc.org> References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> <00cd01d53821$cfaa5320$6efef960$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00cd01d53821$cfaa5320$6efef960$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:13:35 -0000 Sue, On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > Do you still want an early allocation? We can suggest the value you already > have used. We're largely not burning through optional parameter code points very quickly. That said, we should get this registered by the most expedient manner possible to prevent conflicts. A WGLC of this document would do that. John has it queueud for re-publish once the submission gates are open. If we think process will stall it for whatever reason, perhaps consider the early allocation. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Jul 15 13:00:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964E81202EF for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmkzJ9L2Lg2T for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DEA41202F4 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitebug.nitenet.local (chello085216197060.chello.sk [85.216.197.60]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43A22243551; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:00:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1563220842; bh=4ZdsDmDGl+AdeWdbZ7Dk3+Mp3bsyYFVRd1h9RYM/Zpw=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=V1H+84hGtN8p0HZHm3qJMg7/j+LpcE+kB/2nH99gX5B6LJrADWzBiZ9KXbklKZ5co wYvwEStf+gvFs88otH6ZGktn5sm/EZuQyFVl/uPTEiUKRhm2aYEr1w0/RZvxnUrrCH 10wahiCyGVy2mh0UJljkHPP7E+XS5synjzU1AVU4= To: Jeffrey Haas , Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> <00cd01d53821$cfaa5320$6efef960$@ndzh.com> <20190711211507.GD4922@pfrc.org> From: Robert Varga Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: <86deb2b8-446d-e3e6-ac5d-79406e47892c@hq.sk> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:00:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190711211507.GD4922@pfrc.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OigMPwi4ignyRfIUrqnQvTrGE6NquSwAw" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:00:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --OigMPwi4ignyRfIUrqnQvTrGE6NquSwAw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wIiIqmzcLFdfBIcxa7IKykqjjNHMuv7da"; protected-headers="v1" From: Robert Varga To: Jeffrey Haas , Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <86deb2b8-446d-e3e6-ac5d-79406e47892c@hq.sk> Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> <00cd01d53821$cfaa5320$6efef960$@ndzh.com> <20190711211507.GD4922@pfrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20190711211507.GD4922@pfrc.org> --wIiIqmzcLFdfBIcxa7IKykqjjNHMuv7da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/07/2019 23:15, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > Sue, >=20 > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: >> Do you still want an early allocation? We can suggest the value you a= lready >> have used.=20 >=20 > We're largely not burning through optional parameter code points very > quickly. That said, we should get this registered by the most expedien= t > manner possible to prevent conflicts. >=20 > A WGLC of this document would do that. John has it queueud for re-publ= ish > once the submission gates are open. >=20 > If we think process will stall it for whatever reason, perhaps consider= the > early allocation. +1, we should nail the allocation down ASAP. Regards, Robert --wIiIqmzcLFdfBIcxa7IKykqjjNHMuv7da-- --OigMPwi4ignyRfIUrqnQvTrGE6NquSwAw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI/BAEBCgApFiEEdj+N7pgGP1gKvbdQJKB0S2uuNdsFAl0s22MLHG5pdGVAaHEu c2sACgkQJKB0S2uuNdvfKA//RWbi73K7QjPa9L/0x22Q60llf4yI6H8Rq/grn2k+ rWooC0IJ1dToLacrsEAGlzRCZXyxVDfSZtcqUZ4pZWqCph3Y69VfJUae5zE6iZoq MlrZ1twm0vPGMoY77rfheBfcEtWnLdkTFJfurZ4zPfBQP7wOtuBkA/n3cMvwqdA8 637YYQh2iAs8DFHdt3/L+Fs3b48i2MhfnWYTjoWe6QtYNYVp2tw8IDYfJBQxNfNZ d/W/VUQZt4Hsz8UeY0Ev1cHQharBe7Di3wt5N3mwzElG4Kgmd6I5QXiy4br+9IBa dAe0FnGPP2au+MXBPWSNlMI+L8HZ1FbSGobO2T2oNmCiAvijiablK0kGtiVhCoJc d3yTFdolaOHwzGo0Nfo0QFA2Q3jJmvL19Me22XSdmQ2QXRiQGiVT7mM75L+P74Ij A4qMFwKPz0Hw6k3KiO41LTujUkupWePGf21tilQ4UVivnR9CguZKgdl3Iv/dFNku 7fX7xawlqYMu8A/jtUyS/ZvD9R80g7GEDmm3u4GoNMKIRJCJ2bfIR5t9svYgD/6O Q0oSBWFgBrgeVTy9GVTe/HBHxcJf6GjvBDhJFk7KgzHECfFVy9yC9O9zDu8tZGqk WReDBqO9OTwuOqKzGlQIz5Qoo45Oy5mW5pQvSjqnHVa0YVkTJBbBSkZJeNGPa4Xs kUM= =pgsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OigMPwi4ignyRfIUrqnQvTrGE6NquSwAw-- From nobody Mon Jul 15 13:07:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC60F12016C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGVcGg8O3fX1 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A03401200F9 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitebug.nitenet.local (chello085216197060.chello.sk [85.216.197.60]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7D08243551; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:07:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1563221247; bh=fpNzHB0fPSHDlmfSxmFYKTyv7u3Cfx7cveVGrgGJlZo=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FZIk37IJ5eYYaipP4MZ6SVaa/0u0UmGRdmvq3LY8aLIOLOku9JM9HOR2+iI9DsqZ5 hVbHYI0/Jx02Rla/e8TRrGGS5CHIgjcng2k1nFLVQiTAHRLaZoDv8ZDEq5zRAR1d3y mZ0xewzqSxaJj9CiaV81w8aBVPW31iQtd3IT4oC0= To: Jeffrey Haas Cc: idr@ietf.org References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> From: Robert Varga Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:07:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="scoLPchuv7vbPZPvcATMmBvwhzsLoGFBe" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:07:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --scoLPchuv7vbPZPvcATMmBvwhzsLoGFBe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VlkkBtL4tdAYYQamFtXAdhW8LxI34X3db"; protected-headers="v1" From: Robert Varga To: Jeffrey Haas Cc: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Idr] Status of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param? References: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20190711141919.GC4922@pfrc.org> --VlkkBtL4tdAYYQamFtXAdhW8LxI34X3db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/07/2019 16:19, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > Followup, since this also popped up on my TODO: >=20 > Juniper and Nokia have implementations. FWIW, OpenDaylight will ship an implementation of draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-05 in the next major release (Sep 2019). > I requested in 2016 an early allocation on the BGP optional parameter c= ode > point. This has not been done. Yes. If there is rough consensus, we need to get at least this done. 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Also, please take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%2= 0at%20an%20IDR%20meeting Best regards, Jie --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927CCF34C8BNKGEML515MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

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The updated idr agenda is poste= d and can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-idr-01<= /a>

 

Presenters, please send your sl= ides to me and CC the chairs by the end of Monday (July 22), so that the sl= ides can be uploaded in time for others to review prior to the meeting.

 

Also, please take a look at the= checklist for presenting at IDR:

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/= Checklist%20for%20presenting%20at%20an%20IDR%20meeting

&n= bsp;

Best regards,=

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--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927CCF34C8BNKGEML515MBSchi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 17 01:19:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAA5120223; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 01:19:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jouni Korhonen via Datatracker To: Cc: idr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Jouni Korhonen Message-ID: <156335155856.19223.17737968899528830476@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 01:19:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:19:19 -0000 Reviewer: Jouni Korhonen Review result: Has Nits I have reviewed the document and myself have no issues with the technical content. 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How are you? I just finished reading this document. First of all, thank you for your patience and perseverance in sticking with this document for so long! Having said that, I have significant issues with the document. I have specific in-line comments below, but I want to highlight some of the bigger issues now -- please note that while you are the Author, the issues called out here are directed at the WG/Chairs/Shepherd as well. (1) What is the Update to rfc4271? The document presents two amendments to the Route Resolvability Condition (= =C2=A7 9.1.2.1/rfc4271). The first one is straight forward and obvious: resolve the next-hop using the correct Routing Table. The second one is to check the "path availability" to the next-hop. While a good thing to do, and optional, it introduces in the BGP Decision Process unspecified functionality that depends on external mechanisms...which, in my opinion, should be used to maintain the Routing Table and not be specifically a part of BGP. Both the policy to drive Amendment 1 and the expectations of the check in Amendment 2 are not specified and declared out of scope. IOW, the specification is to do something that is not specified. Back to my question: what is the Update to rfc4271? I didn't find a discussion on the list about the Update: either about formally Updating rfc4271, *or* what the Update would be. I did find a note [1] that says "our AD requested we move the document from Informational to Standards track, and add 'Updates: RFC 4271'"...but there was no discussion; in fact, no reply at all. [Disclaimer: I was not the AD in 2011.] Related to this point, and specifically to the "path availability" functionality... In the Implementation Report [2], one of the implementers reports support for "path availability check in several variations, but not all. For example, BFD may be used to protect MPLS generated nexthops for LDP and RSVP. For IP nexthops distributed via an IGP, the IGP may be protected using BFD." Because the "path availability" functionality is not specified in this document, then I'm not sure whether either of these satisfies this document...but both mechanisms described are about protecting the next-hops (and presumably triggering FRR, for example), and not specifically about providing BGP with an indication of availability to forward traffic (which is my interpretation of "path availability"). To be clear: I mention this text from the Implementation Report not to criticize the implementation...but to support the points that (1) the specification in this document is incomplete, and (2) that the OAM mechanisms should be used to maintain the Routing Table (and not just interact directly with BGP). IOW, I believe that the implementation is doing the right thing...but that is not what is described in the document. [See more related comments in =C2=A73, after Amendment 2.] (2) WG Discussion (...or lack of...) As I mentioned above, there was no discussion of the Update in the WG. In fact, the only significant discussion was during adoption [3] -- at that point the draft was Informational and it didn't Update anything. The WGLCs [4][5] show only 1 comment, and no other explicit show of support. Not even the usual "support...+1...+1...". I went back and looked at the minutes from IETF 73 [6], which is where the draft was presented for the first time, but there was no feedback there. draft-asati-bgp-mpls-blackhole-avoidance, which was presented at IETF 68, was the precursor of this document. The minutes from that meeting [7] show not a lot of excitement and minor support for perhaps an Informational one-page document saying "please be careful about selecting a next hop". One last note on this point. The Shepherd's writeup [8] reads: (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Solid in 2009. As time goes on waiting for implementation reports, the memory of those days weakens. However, since 2 major vendors have implemented and deployed this RFC - the solid WG support from 2009 has been validated. The draft was adopted with rough consensus [3], so I don't interpret implementations in this case as strong validation mainly because I don't see a clear specification. All this leads me to ask: Is this work (many years later!) still something the WG wants to progress? Or has it been taken over by events? Is the document in it's current form what the WG thought it was adopting? I am looking for discussion and specific opinions (not +1s!). I would be very happy if someone pointed me to discussions I missed in my search. (3) Terminology In general, I think that most idr participants would clearly understand the terminology used in this document. However, the audience is wider than that, and the terminology used doesn't correspond to that in other work. For example, the first sentence in the Abstract reads: BGP specification (RFC4271) prescribes 'BGP next-hop reachability' as one of the key 'Route Resolvability Condition' that must be satisfied before the BGP bestpath candidate selection. rfc4271 doesn't talk anywhere about reachability or a bestpath. Please be consistent with the terminology in other RFCs, specially rfc4271. Introducing new terms is fine, if they are needed and properly explained. Given the points above, I am inclined to return this document to the WG for further discussion. I really don't want to do that given its long history, so perhaps we can use some time next week in Montreal to talk face-to-face. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/jWNhfTvHbaY3rEk5nTYahS5w6_Q [2] https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-c= riteria [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/Yr9u6V2HKrHEuQLtFw7aDstMPzg [4] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/kiTwL6ApC_k9QFrfhaMA_qC8BcA [5] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/OqsCexPPmtvKjHNJzf4EcpwPhtQ [6] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/OVg6Cfr3EUwIRcQS6cIkwq_dUtI [7] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/lezFHSGaOzvL2h16M883beeHcjI [8] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-crit= eria/shepherdwriteup/ [Line numbers from idnits.] ... 11 Abstract 13 BGP specification (RFC4271) prescribes 'BGP next-hop reachability' 14 as one of the key 'Route Resolvability Condition' that must be 15 satisfied before the BGP bestpath candidate selection. This 16 condition, however, may not be sufficient (as explained in the 17 Appendix section) and would desire further granularity. [major nit] rfc4271 doesn't talk about "BGP next-hop reachability". =C2=A79.1.2.1. (Route Resolvability Condition) does talk about whether th= e NEXT_HOP is resolvable. Also, the term bestpath is not in rfc4271 -- it used "best route" a couple of times. Please be consistent with the text in rfc4271 and use the right terminology= . [nit] s/as one of the key 'Route Resolvability Condition'/as a key 'Route Resolvability Condition' [nit] s/would desire further granularity/requires (??) further granularity 19 This document defines enhances the "Route Resolvability Condition" 20 to facilitate the next-hop to be resolved in the chosen data plane. [nit] s/enhances/enhancements [major] Please specifically mention (in the Abstract and the Introduction) what the Update to rfc4271 is. For example: "This document Updates rfc4271 by..." ... 67 1. Introduction 69 As per BGP specification [RFC4271], when a router receives a BGP 70 path, BGP must qualify it as the valid candidate prior to the BGP 71 bestpath selection using the 'Route Resolvability Condition' 72 (section#9.1.2.1 of RFC4271]. After the path gets qualified as the 73 bestpath candidate, it becomes eligible to be the bestpath, and may 74 get advertised out to the neigbhor(s), if it became the bestpath. [nit] s/As per BGP specification/As per the BGP specification [nit] s/BGP must qualify/it must qualify it =3D the router/BGP speaker [nit] s/the bestpath candidate/a bestpath candidate [minor] "receives a BGP path" I know what you mean, but rfc4271 talks about when the "BGP speaker receives, from a peer, an UPDATE message that advertises a new route, a replacement route, or withdrawn routes"...not a path. 76 However, in BGP networks that utilize data plane protocol other than 77 IP, such as MPLS [RFC3031] etc. to forward the received traffic 78 towards the next-hop, the above qualification condition may not be 79 sufficient. In fact, this may expose the BGP networks to experience 80 traffic blackholing i.e. traffic loss, due to malfunctioning of the 81 chosen data plane protocol to the next-hop. This is explained 82 further in the Appendix section. [major] "in BGP networks that utilize data plane protocol other than IP...the above qualification condition may not be sufficient" What is the scope of this document? Do the amendments apply to only encapsulated traffic, non IP forwarded traffic, any type of traffic? I am a little confused because of statements like this one where it seems to point at non IP traffic... But there are no specific indications in the description of the amendments (=C2=A73) that they would only apply to those cases. Please clarify. [nit] s/utilize data plane protocol/utilize a data plane protocol [minor] s/MPLS [RFC3031] etc./MPLS [RFC3031], 84 This document defines further granularity to the "Route 85 Resolvability Condition" by (a) resolving the BGP next-hop 86 reachability in the forwarding database of a particular data plane 87 protocol, and (b) optionally including the BGP next-hop "path 88 availability" check. [major] Making (b) optional doesn't address the case where the route exists, but the path isn't functional (which is the first example mentioned in the Appendix). 90 The goal is to enable BGP to select the bestpaths based on whether 91 or not the corresponding nexthop can be resolved in the valid data 92 plane. [minor] s/based on whether or not/based on whether 94 2. Specification Language 96 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", 97 "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this 98 document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. [major] Use the template from rfc8174. 100 3. Route Resolvability Condition - Modification [minor] Please make it clear that this is where the Update to rfc4271 is. Peharps s/Modification/Update to rfc4271 102 This document proposes two amendments to 'Route Resolvability 103 Condition', which is defined in RFC4271, in consideration for a 104 particular data plane protocol: [nit] s/This document proposes/This document specifies [nit] s/amendments to 'Route Resolvability Condition'/amendments to the 'Route Resolvability Condition' [major] =C2=A79.1.2.1/rfc4271 defines the route resolvability condition. Presumably, the two amendments enhance that definition, right? Please be specific as to where the amendments apply -- for example, I am assuming that the first amendment applies to the first part of the route resolvability condition... 106 1) The next-hop reachability (check) SHOULD be resolved in a 107 forwarding database of a particular data plane protocol. [major] rfc4271 doesn't talk about "next-hop reachability"...please be specific. [minor] "(check)" Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why "check" is in parenthesis...or there at all. [major] When would the resolution not be done "in a forwarding database of a particular data plane protocol"? IOW, why not use MUST? [major] "a forwarding database" The wording (using "a") implies that more than one database may exist. How is it selected? 109 For example, if a BGP IPv4/v6 or VPNv4/v6 path wants to use 110 MPLS data plane to the next-hop, as determined by the policy, 111 then the BGP 'next-hop reachability' should be resolved using 112 the MPLS forwarding database. In another example, if BGP path 113 wants to use the IP data plane to the next-hop, as determined 114 by the policy, then BGP 'next-hop reachability' should be 115 resolved using the IP forwarding database. The latter example 116 relates to MPLS-in-IP encapsulation techniques such as 117 [RFC4817], [RFC4023] etc. [nit] Is the indentation necessary? [nit] s/IPv4/v6/IPv4/IPv6 [minor] Explain what a VPNv4/v6 path (route!) is. [minor] "path wants" The paths don't "want" anything -- please reword. [minor] Maybe put the example after the rest of the specification. 119 The selection of particular data plane is a matter of a policy, and 120 is outside the scope of this document. It is envisioned that the 121 policy would exist for either per-neighbor or per-SAFI or both. A 122 dynamic signaling such as BGP encapsulation SAFI (or tunnel encap 123 attribute) [RFC5512] may be used to convey the data plane protocol 124 chosen by the policy. [major] I understand how the specification of the policy may be out of scope. However, because we're dealing with a Standards track document, I need you to be more specific as to what the policy may look like...and then give examples if you like. [minor] The description is not clear...for instance... The example (in the previous paragraph) talked about a BGP route using the IP FIB, which sounds pretty straight forward to me. However, then it says that it "relates to MPLS-in-IP". Does it not also relate to simple IP packets (not encapsulated)? [nit] s/is a matter of a policy/is a matter of policy 126 This check is about confirming the availability of the valid 127 forwarding entry for the next-hop in the forwarding database of the 128 chosen data plane protocol. 130 2) The 'path availability' check for the BGP next-hop MAY be 131 performed. This criterion checks for the functional data plane 132 path to the next-hop in a particular data plane protocol. [major] What is the "'path availability' check"? What does a "functional data plane path" mean? It is suggested below that "any of the OAM data-plane liveness mechanisms associated with the data plane" can be used...but the indication of these mechanisms is liveliness of the path, and not necessarily the ability to deliver the specific traffic to be forwarded...which is what I would have guessed a "functional path" to be. [major] By Updating rfc4271, this specification is adding the 'path availability' check to the functions that all (!) BGP speakers have to perform (even if optionally). Are we (WG) sure that we want to add this new function to the base BGP spec? IOW, should the formal Update of rfc4271 include both steps? I didn't find a discussion on the list about the Update: either about formally Updating rfc4271, *or* what the Update should be. I did find a note [1] that says "our AD requested we move the document from Informational to Standards track, and add 'Updates: RFC 4271'"...but there was no discussion. [opinion] Personally, I think that "path availability" is important...but it should be a function of the routing table (which would render the next-hop unresolvable if not available)...and not part of the routing protocol. 134 The path availability check may be performed by any of the OAM data- 135 plane liveness mechanisms associated with the data plane that is 136 used to reach the Next Hop. The data plane protocol for this 137 criterion MUST be the same as the one selected by the previous 138 criterion (#1). [major] I think you're missing the requirement that the forwarding database (if more than one exists for the data plane) has to be the same. [major] Some of the existing OAM mechanisms require setting up the remote peer as well. Is the intent for the path availability to be applicable to not-directly-connected eBGP next-hops? This question is related to the ones above about defining what the expected check is. 140 The mechanism(s) to perform the "path availability" check and the 141 selection of particular data plane are a matter of a policy and 142 outside the scope of this document. [major] I understand that the specific mechanisms are out of scope. However, related to my question above about what "path availability" is, this document should explicitly define what is expected from that check. [minor] path availability, 'path availability' and "path availability" are used in different places...I assume to mean the same thing...is that true? Please be consistent. 144 For example, if a BGP VPNv4 path wants to use the MPLS as the 145 data plane protocol to the next-hop, then MPLS path 146 availability to the next-hop should be evaluated i.e. liveness 147 of MPLS LSP to the next-hop should be validated. [nit] Is the indent necessary? 149 This check is about confirming the availability of functioning path 150 to the next-hop. Note that it is not necessary to trigger the data- 151 plane liveness mechanism for a given next-hop as a consequence of 152 this check, though it may be an option. Another option is to do it a 153 priori. The selection of a particular option is deemed deployment 154 specific and outside the scope of this document. [minor] What does "trigger the data-plane liveness mechanism" mean? [minor] "The selection of a particular option is deemed deployment specific and outside the scope of this document." I don't think the selection of these options is completely outside the scope of this document. Because they are mentioned here, I would like to see Deployment Considerations related to the effect of using them and general guidelines of when they may be used. 156 4. Conclusions 158 Both amendments discussed in section 2 provide further clarity and 159 granularity to help the BGP speaker to either continue to advertise 160 a BGP path's reachability or withdraw the BGP path's reachability, 161 based on the consideration for the path's next-hop reachability 162 and/or availability in a particular data plane. [minor] s/section 2/Section 3 [major] This paragraph talks about the ability to "withdraw the BGP path's reachability, based on the consideration for the path's next-hop reachability and/or availability in a particular data plane"...but that action is not reflected in the specification. It should! =C2=A79.1.2/rfc4271 already says this: "Unresolvable routes SHALL be remove= d from the Loc-RIB and the routing table." Clearly specifying the amendments as part of the route resolvability condition (as mentioned in my comments in =C2=A73) should take care of the Withdraws. 164 It is not expected that the proposed amendments would negatively 165 impact BGP convergence, barring any implementation specifics. [major] "It is not expected..." That text doesn't give anyone warm, fuzz feelings. What about the time it takes to check path availability? I see that this paragraph was added as a result of a similar question on the list [9], but no explanation was given then either. [9] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/okJNyUYoXgGc7tKun_QhUuy9GZ4 167 The intention of this document is to help operators to build BGP 168 networks that can avoid self-blackholing. [minor] This paragraph seems superfluous...specially because the items that would in fact help operators are out of scope... 170 5. Security Considerations 172 While this draft doesn't impose any additional security constraints, 173 it can help with mitigating one particular type of routing attack in 174 which a BGP speaker could receive routes with an arbitrary next-hop. 175 If the next-hop is not reachable, then those routes/paths would not 176 get selected. [major] "If the next-hop is not reachable..." By not reachable you mean that the path is not available, right? I ask because finding a route in a specific table (criteria 1) is basically what rfc4271 already says (except for the part about using *a* specific table)...so that amendment doesn't increase the security. [major] The correct operation of the amendments depends on pieces that have not been fully specified (policy and path availability), both of which carry their own risks/vulnerabilities. Those need to be described here. ... 193 8. Appendix [minor] The Appendix should be placed after the References, and it is not considered a Section (with a separate number) [rfc7322]. 195 8.1. Problem Applicability [nit] Should this Section be called "Problem Description" instead? ... 204 In MPLS or MPLS VPN networks [RFC4364], the same problem is observed 205 if the functional MPLS LSP to the next-hop is not available (due to 206 the forwarding path error on any node along the path to the next- 207 hop). [minor] s/the forwarding path error/a forwarding path error You mean an error, not *the* error, right? Are there examples of this? 209 The following MPLS/VPN topology clarifies the problem - 210 <-eBGP/IGP-> <-------MP-BGP------> <-eBGP/IGP-> [minor] Expand these acronyms on first mention: eBGP, IBGP, MP-BGP, CE, PE... 212 CE1~~~~~~~~~PE1~~~MPLS Network~~~PE2~~~~~~~~CE2~~ 213 ^ 214 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DPE1-PE2 LSP=3D=3D> = ^ 215 ^ 216 a.b.c.d [minor] Use rfc5737 addresses in the examples. 218 Figure 1 MPLS VPN Network 220 In the network illustrated in Figure 1, the PE1 to PE2 LSP may be 221 non-functional due to any reason such as corrupted MPLS Forwarding 222 Table entry, or the missing MPLS Forwarding table entry, or LDP 223 binding defect, or down LDP session between the P routers (with 224 independent label distribution control) etc. In such a situation, it 225 is clear that the CE1->CE2 traffic inserted into the MPLS network by 226 PE1 will get dropped inside the MPLS network. [minor] Expand/explain "P router". [minor] I know that all the reasons mentioned for a non-functional path can happen...or have happened...but some are errors or bugs; shouldn't the focus be on fixing them?? Are they still an issue? ... 261 8.1.2. Single-Homed VPN Site with Site-to-Site Backup Connectivity ... 268 <------MP-BGP------> 270 CE1~~~~~~~~~PE1~~~MPLS Network~~~PE2~~~~~~~~CE2~~ 271 \ / ^ 272 \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~backup path~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ ^ 273 ^ 274 a.b.c.d 276 Figure 3 MPLS VPN Network - CE1-CE2 Backup connection 278 Unless PE2 withdraws the route via the routing protocol used on the 279 PE-CE link, CE1 will not be able to activate the backup link 280 (barring any tracking functionality) to the remote VPN site. [minor] "Unless PE2 withdraws..." There is no qualification of why PE2 would do that. I'm guessing that it is because the connection to CE2 went down (or something like that). I know this is another example of the same thing, but please be complete. BTW, a better example would be for PE1 to withdraw the route in response to lack of reachability...which seems to be what the summary bellow points to. 282 In summary, if PE1 could appropriately qualify the BGP VPNv4 283 bestpath, then the VPN traffic outage could likely be avoided. Even 284 if the VPN site was not multi-homed, it is desirable to force PE1 to 285 withdraw the path from CE1 to improve the CE-to-CE convergence. This 286 document proposes a mechanism to achieve the optimal BGP behavior at 287 PE. [nit] s/document proposes/document defines [nit] s/at PE/at the PE 289 8.1.3. 6PE or 6VPE 291 This problem is very much applicable to the MPLS network that is 292 providing either 6PE [RFC4978] or 6VPE [RFC4659] service to 293 transport IPv6 packets over the MPLS network. [minor] True, but it sounds like "I forgot to add v6..." Maybe change one of the examples to an IPv6 destination. 295 9. References 297 9.1. Normative References ... 302 [RFC4364] Rosen E. and Rekhter Y., "BGP/MPLS IP Virtual Private 303 Networks (VPNs)", RFC4364, February 2006. [minor] I think this can be an Informative Reference. --000000000000469923058de629b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Rajiv:

Hi!=C2=A0 How are you?=C2=A0 I just finished reading th= is document.

First of all, thank you for your patience and perseverance in sticking= with this document for so long!

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">Having said that, I have significant issues with t= he document.=C2=A0 I have specific in-line comments below, but I want to hi= ghlight some of the bigger issues now -- please note that while you are the= Author, the issues called out here are directed at the WG/Chairs/Shepherd = as well.

(1) What is the Update to rfc4271?

The document presents two amendments to the Rou= te Resolvability Condition (=C2=A79.1.2.= 1/rfc4271).=C2=A0 The first one is straight forward and obvious: resolv= e the next-hop using the correct Routing Table.

The second one is to check the &quo= t;path availability" to the next-hop.=C2=A0 While a good thing to do, = and optional, it introduces in the BGP Decision Process unspecified functio= nality that depends on external mechanisms...which, in my opinion, should b= e used to maintain the Routing Table and not be specifically a part of BGP.=

Both th= e policy to drive Amendment 1 and the expectations of the check in Amendmen= t 2 are not specified and declared out of scope.=C2=A0 IOW, the specificati= on is to do something that is not specified.=C2=A0 Back to my question: wha= t is the Update to rfc4271?

I didn't find a discussion on the list about the Up= date: either about formally Updating rfc4271, *or* what the Update would be= .=C2=A0 I did find a note [1] that says "our AD requested we move the = document from Informational to Standards track, and add 'Updates: RFC 4= 271'"...but there was no discussion; in fact, no reply at all.

[Disclaimer= : I was not the AD in 2011.]

Related to this point, and specifically to the "p= ath availability" functionality...=C2=A0 In the Implementation Report = [2], one of the implementers reports support for "path availability ch= eck in several variations, but not all. For example, BFD may be used to pro= tect MPLS generated nexthops for LDP and RSVP. For IP nexthops distributed = via an IGP, the IGP may be protected using BFD." =C2=A0Because the &qu= ot;path availability" functionality is not specified in this document,= then I'm not sure whether either of these satisfies this document...bu= t both mechanisms described are about protecting the next-hops (and presuma= bly triggering FRR, for example), and not specifically about providing BGP = with an indication of availability to forward traffic (which is my interpre= tation of "path availability").
To be clear: =C2=A0I mention this text fr= om the Implementation Report not to criticize the implementation...but to s= upport the points that (1) the specification in this document is incomplete= , and (2) that the OAM mechanisms should be used to maintain the Routing Ta= ble (and not just interact directly with BGP).=C2=A0 IOW, I believe that th= e implementation is doing the right thing...but that is not what is describ= ed in the document.

[See more related comments in =C2=A73, after Amendment 2.]


(2) WG Discussion (...or lack of...)

As I mentioned above, = there was no discussion of the Update in the WG.=C2=A0 In fact, the only si= gnificant discussion was during adoption [3] -- at that point the draft was= Informational and it didn't Update anything.

The WGLCs [4][5] show only 1 comm= ent, and no other explicit show of support.=C2=A0 Not even the usual "= support...+1...+1...".

I went back and looked at the minutes from IETF 73 [6],= which is where the draft was presented for the first time, but there was n= o feedback there.

draft-asati-bgp-mpls-blackhole-avoidance, which was presented at = IETF 68, was the precursor of this document.=C2=A0 The minutes from that me= eting [7] show not a lot of excitement and minor support for perhaps an Inf= ormational one-page document saying "please be careful about selecting= a next hop".

One last note on this point.=C2=A0 The Shepherd's writeup [8= ] reads:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0(9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does = it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0represent the strong concurr= ence of a few individuals, with others
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with= it?

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Solid in 2009.=C2=A0 As time goes on waiting for implementation r= eports,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the memory of those day= s weakens.=C2=A0 However, since 2 major vendors
=C2=A0 =C2=A0have implemented and deployed this RFC - the solid WG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0support from 2009 has been validate= d.

The d= raft was adopted with rough consensus [3], so I don't interpret impleme= ntations in this case as strong validation mainly because I don't see a= clear specification.

All this leads me to ask: Is this work (many years later!) = still something the WG wants to progress?=C2=A0 Or has it been taken over b= y events?=C2=A0 Is the document in it's current form what the WG though= t it was adopting?

I am looking for discussion and specific opinions (not +1s!).=C2= =A0 I would be very happy if someone pointed me to discussions I missed in = my search.


(3) Terminology

In general, I think that mos= t idr participants would clearly understand the terminology used in this do= cument.=C2=A0 However, the audience is wider than that, and the terminology= used doesn't correspond to that in other work.

For example, the first sentence= in the Abstract reads:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGP specification (RFC4271) prescribes 'BG= P next-hop reachability'
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as= one of the key 'Route Resolvability Condition' that must be
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0 =C2=A0satisfied before the BGP bestpath can= didate selection.

rfc4271 doesn't talk anywhere about reachability or a bestpat= h.

Pleas= e be consistent with the terminology in other RFCs, specially rfc4271.=C2= =A0 Introducing new terms is fine, if they are needed and properly explaine= d.


<= /div>
Given the points above, I am inclined to ret= urn this document to the WG for further discussion.=C2=A0 I really don'= t want to do that given its long history, so perhaps we can use some time n= ext week in Montreal to talk face-to-face.
<= br>
Thanks!
<= br>
Alvaro.
<= br>

[2] https://trac.i= etf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria
[4] <= a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/kiTwL6ApC_k9QFrfhaMA_qC= 8BcA">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/kiTwL6ApC_k9QFrfhaMA_qC8BcA=

...
11 Abstr= act

13 =C2=A0 BGP = specification (RFC4271) prescribes 'BGP next-hop reachability'
14 =C2=A0 as one of the key 'Route Resolvability Condi= tion' that must be
15 =C2=A0 satisfied before the = BGP bestpath candidate selection. This
16 =C2=A0 condi= tion, however, may not be sufficient (as explained in the
17= =C2=A0 Appendix section) and would desire further granularity.

[major nit]= rfc4271 doesn't talk about "BGP next-hop reachability". =C2= =A0=C2=A79.1.2.1. =C2=A0(Route Resolvability Condition) does talk about whe= ther the NEXT_HOP is resolvable.

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">Also, the term bestpath is not in rfc4271 -- it us= ed "best route" a couple of times.

Please be consistent with the text in = rfc4271 and use the right terminology.

<= /div>
[nit] s/as one of the key 'Route Resolva= bility Condition'/as a key 'Route Resolvability Condition'

[nit] s/woul= d desire further granularity/requires (??) further granularity

19 =C2=A0 This document define= s enhances the "Route Resolvability Condition"
20 =C2=A0 to facilitate the next-hop to be resolved in the chosen data p= lane.

[n= it] s/enhances/enhancements

[major] Please specifically mention (in the Abstract an= d the Introduction) what the Update to rfc4271 is.=C2=A0 For example: "= ;This document Updates rfc4271 by..."
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...<= /div>
67 1. Introduction

<= /div>
69 =C2=A0 As per BGP specification [RFC4271], when a r= outer receives a BGP
70 =C2=A0 path, BGP must qualify = it as the valid candidate prior to the BGP
7= 1 =C2=A0 b= estpath selection using the 'Route Resolvability Condition'
72 =C2=A0 (section#9.1.2.1 of RFC4271]. After the path gets q= ualified as the
73 =C2=A0 bestpath candidate, it becom= es eligible to be the bestpath, and may
74 =C2=A0 get = advertised out to the neigbhor(s), if it became the bestpath.

[nit] s/As per BGP sp= ecification/As per the BGP specification
[nit] s/BGP must qualify/it must qualify = =C2=A0 =C2=A0it =3D the router/BGP speaker
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[nit] s/the bestpath candidate/a bestpat= h candidate

[minor] "receives a BGP path" =C2=A0 I know what you mean, bu= t rfc4271 talks about when the "BGP speaker receives, from a peer, an = UPDATE message that advertises a new route, a replacement route, or withdra= wn routes"...not a path.

76 =C2=A0 However, in BGP networks that utilize data plane prot= ocol other than
77 =C2=A0 IP, such as MPLS [RFC3031] e= tc. to forward the received traffic
78 =C2=A0 towards = the next-hop, the above qualification condition may not be
79= =C2=A0 sufficient. In fact, this may expose the BGP networks to ex= perience
80 =C2=A0 traffic blackholing i.e. traffic lo= ss, due to malfunctioning of the
81 =C2=A0 chosen data= plane protocol to the next-hop. This is explained
82 = =C2=A0 further in the Appendix section.

=
[major] "in BGP networks that utilize = data plane protocol other than IP...the above qualification condition may n= ot be sufficient" =C2=A0What is the scope of this document?=C2=A0 Do t= he amendments apply to only encapsulated traffic, non IP forwarded traffic,= any type of traffic?=C2=A0 I am a little confused because of statements li= ke this one where it seems to point at non IP traffic...=C2=A0 But there ar= e no specific indications in the description of the amendments (=C2=A73) th= at they would only apply to those cases.=C2=A0 Please clarify.

[nit] s/utilize data= plane protocol/utilize a data plane protocol

[minor] s/MPLS [RFC3031] etc./MPLS [R= FC3031],

84 =C2=A0= This document defines further granularity to the "Route
85 =C2=A0 Resolvability Condition" by (a) resolving the BGP ne= xt-hop
86 =C2=A0 reachability in the forwarding databa= se of a particular data plane
87 =C2=A0 protocol, and= (b) optionally including the BGP next-hop "path
88 =C2=A0 availability" check.

[major] Making (b) optional doesn't address= the case where the route exists, but the path isn't functional (which = is the first example mentioned in the Appendix).

90 =C2=A0 The goal is to enable BGP to selec= t the bestpaths based on whether
91 =C2=A0 or not the = corresponding nexthop can be resolved in the valid data
92 =C2=A0 plane.

[minor] s/based on whether or not/based on whether


94= 2. Specification Language

=
96 =C2=A0 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT&qu= ot;, "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">97 =C2=A0 "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "= RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">98 =C2=A0 document are to be interpreted as described in [RF= C2119].

= [major] Use the template from rfc8174.

<= /div>
100 3. Route Resolvability Condition - Modification

[minor] Ple= ase make it clear that this is where the Update to rfc4271 is.=C2=A0 Peharp= s s/Modification/Update to rfc4271

102 =C2=A0 This document proposes two amendments to 'R= oute Resolvability
103 =C2=A0 Condition', which is= defined in RFC4271, in consideration for a
= 104 =C2=A0= particular data plane protocol:

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">[nit] s/This document proposes/This document speci= fies

[ni= t] s/amendments to 'Route Resolvability Condition'/amendments to th= e 'Route Resolvability Condition'
[major] =C2=A79.1.2.1/rfc4271 defines the route resolvability condition.=C2= =A0 Presumably, the two amendments enhance that definition, right?=C2=A0 Pl= ease be specific as to where the amendments apply -- for example, I am assu= ming that the first amendment applies to the first part of the route resolv= ability condition...

106 <= /span> =C2=A0 1) The next-hop reachability (check) SHOULD be resolved in a<= /div>
107 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding database of a parti= cular data plane protocol.

[major] rfc4271 doesn't talk about "next-hop re= achability"...please be specific.

<= /div>
[minor] "(check)" =C2=A0Maybe it&#= 39;s just me, but I don't understand why "check" is in parent= hesis...or there at all.

[major] When would the resolution not be done "in a f= orwarding database of a particular data plane protocol"?=C2=A0 IOW, wh= y not use MUST?

[major] "a forwarding database" =C2=A0The wording (using = "a") implies that more than one database may exist.=C2=A0 How is = it selected?

109 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example, if a BGP IPv4/v6 or VPNv4/v6 path = wants to use
110 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPLS data= plane to the next-hop, as determined by the policy,
111 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 then the BGP 'next-hop reachability'= should be resolved using
112 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 the MPLS forwarding database. In another example, if BGP path
113 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 wants to use the IP data plane = to the next-hop, as determined
114 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 by the policy, then BGP 'next-hop reachability' should b= e
115 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 resolved using the I= P forwarding database. The latter example
11= 6 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 relates to MPLS-in-IP encapsulation techniques such as=
117 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [RFC4817], [RFC4023] = etc.

[ni= t] Is the indentation necessary?

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">[nit] s/IPv4/v6/IPv4/IPv6

[minor] Explain what a VPNv4/v6 = path (route!) is.

[minor] "path wants" =C2=A0 The paths don't "w= ant" anything -- please reword.

[minor] Maybe put the example after the rest o= f the specification.

119 <= /span> =C2=A0 The selection of particular data plane is a matter of a polic= y, and
120 =C2=A0 is outside the scope of this documen= t. It is envisioned that the
121 =C2=A0 policy would = exist for either per-neighbor or per-SAFI or both. A
122 =C2=A0 dynamic signaling such as BGP encapsulation SAFI (or tunnel encap=
123 =C2=A0 attribute) [RFC5512] may be used to convey= the data plane protocol
124 =C2=A0 chosen by the poli= cy.

[maj= or] I understand how the specification of the policy may be out of scope.= =C2=A0 However, because we're dealing with a Standards track document, = I need you to be more specific as to what the policy may look like...and th= en give examples if you like.

[minor] The description is not clear...for instance..= .=C2=A0 The example (in the previous paragraph) talked about a BGP route us= ing the IP FIB, which sounds pretty straight forward to me.=C2=A0 However, = then it says that it "relates to MPLS-in-IP".=C2=A0 Does it not a= lso relate to simple IP packets (not encapsulated)?

[nit] s/is a matter of a policy= /is a matter of policy

126 =C2=A0 This check is about confirming the availability of the val= id
127 =C2=A0 forwarding entry for the next-hop in t= he forwarding database of the
128 =C2=A0 chosen data p= lane protocol.

130 = =C2=A0 2) The 'path availability' check for the BGP next-hop MAY b= e
131 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0performed. This criterion ch= ecks for the functional data plane
132 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0path to the next-hop in a particular data plane protocol.

[major] What is the= "'path availability' check"?=C2=A0 What does a "fun= ctional data plane path" mean?=C2=A0 It is suggested below that "= any of the OAM data-plane liveness mechanisms associated with the data plan= e" can be used...but the indication of these mechanisms is liveliness = of the path, and not necessarily the ability to deliver the specific traffi= c to be forwarded...which is what I would have guessed a "functional p= ath" to be.

[major] By Updating rfc4271, this specification is adding the '= ;path availability' check to the functions that all (!) BGP speakers ha= ve to perform (even if optionally).=C2=A0 Are we (WG) sure that we want to = add this new function to the base BGP spec?=C2=A0 IOW, should the formal Up= date of rfc4271 include both steps?

I didn't find a discussion on the list abou= t the Update: either about formally Updating rfc4271, *or* what the Update = should be.=C2=A0 I did find a note [1] that says "our AD requested we = move the document from Informational to Standards track, and add 'Updat= es: RFC 4271'"...but there was no discussion.

[opinion] Personally, I thin= k that "path availability" is important...but it should be a func= tion of the routing table (which would render the next-hop unresolvable if = not available)...and not part of the routing protocol.

134 =C2=A0 The path availability check= may be performed by any of the OAM data-
13= 5 =C2=A0 p= lane liveness mechanisms associated with the data plane that is
136 =C2=A0 used to reach the Next Hop. The data plane protocol fo= r this
137 =C2=A0 criterion MUST be the same as the on= e selected by the previous
138 =C2=A0 criterion (#1).<= /div>

[major] = I think you're missing the requirement that the forwarding database (if= more than one exists for the data plane) has to be the same.

[major] Some of the e= xisting OAM mechanisms require setting up the remote peer as well.=C2=A0 Is= the intent for the path availability to be applicable to not-directly-conn= ected eBGP next-hops?=C2=A0 This question is related to the ones above abou= t defining what the expected check is.

<= /div>
140 =C2=A0 The mechanism(s) to perform the "path = availability" check and the
141 =C2=A0 selection = of particular data plane are a matter of a policy and
142 =C2=A0 outside the scope of this document.

[major] I understand that the specif= ic mechanisms are out of scope.=C2=A0 However, related to my question above= about what "path availability" is, this document should explicit= ly define what is expected from that check.
=
[minor] path availability, 'path av= ailability' and "path availability" are used in different pla= ces...I assume to mean the same thing...is that true?=C2=A0 Please be consi= stent.

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144 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example, if a= BGP VPNv4 path wants to use the MPLS as the
145 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 data plane protocol to the next-hop, then MPLS pat= h
146 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 availability to the = next-hop should be evaluated i.e. liveness
1= 47 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of MPLS LSP to the next-hop should be validated.
=

[nit] Is the = indent necessary?

149 =C2=A0 This check is about confirming the availability of functioning p= ath
150 =C2=A0 to the next-hop. Note that it is not n= ecessary to trigger the data-
151 =C2=A0 plane livenes= s mechanism for a given next-hop as a consequence of
152 =C2=A0 this check, though it may be an option. Another option is to do i= t a
153 =C2=A0 priori. The selection of a particular = option is deemed deployment
154 =C2=A0 specific and = outside the scope of this document.

[minor] What does "trigger the data-plane = liveness mechanism" mean?

[minor] "The selection of a particular option i= s deemed deployment specific and outside the scope of this document." = =C2=A0I don't think the selection of these options is completely outsid= e the scope of this document.=C2=A0 Because they are mentioned here, I woul= d like to see Deployment Considerations related to the effect of using them= and general guidelines of when they may be used.

156 4. Conclusions

158 =C2=A0 Both amendments discussed in sec= tion 2 provide further clarity and
159 =C2=A0 granular= ity to help the BGP speaker to either continue to advertise
160 =C2=A0 a BGP path's reachability or withdraw the BGP path'= ;s reachability,
161 =C2=A0 based on the consideration= for the path's next-hop reachability
16= 2 =C2=A0 a= nd/or availability in a particular data plane.

[minor] s/section 2/Section 3
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">
[major] This p= aragraph talks about the ability to "withdraw the BGP path's reach= ability, based on the consideration for the path's next-hop reachabilit= y and/or availability in a particular data plane"...but that action is= not reflected in the specification.=C2=A0 It should!

=C2=A79.1.2/rfc4271 already s= ays this: "Unresolvable routes SHALL be removed from the Loc-RIB and t= he routing table." =C2=A0Clearly specifying the amendments as part of = the route resolvability condition (as mentioned in my comments in =C2=A73) = should take care of the Withdraws.

164 =C2=A0 It is not expected that the proposed amendments= would negatively
165 =C2=A0 impact BGP convergence, b= arring any implementation specifics.

[major] "It is not expected..." =C2= =A0That text doesn't give anyone warm, fuzz feelings.=C2=A0 What about = the time it takes to check path availability?=C2=A0 I see that this paragra= ph was added as a result of a similar question on the list [9], but no expl= anation was given then either.

[9] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr= /okJNyUYoXgGc7tKun_QhUuy9GZ4

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">167 =C2=A0 The intention of this document is to help operato= rs to build BGP
168 =C2=A0 networks that can avoid sel= f-blackholing.

[minor] This paragraph seems superfluous...specially because the ite= ms that would in fact help operators are out of scope...

170 5. Security Considerations
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">
172 =C2=A0 While this dr= aft doesn't impose any additional security constraints,
173 =C2=A0 it can help with mitigating one particular type of routing= attack in
174 =C2=A0 which a BGP speaker could receiv= e routes with an arbitrary next-hop.
175 =C2=A0 If the= next-hop is not reachable, then those routes/paths would not
176 =C2=A0 get selected.

<= div style=3D"margin:0px">[major] "If the next-hop is not reachable...&= quot; =C2=A0By not reachable you mean that the path is not available, right= ?=C2=A0 I ask because finding a route in a specific table (criteria 1) is b= asically what rfc4271 already says (except for the part about using *a* spe= cific table)...so that amendment doesn't increase the security.

[major] The cor= rect operation of the amendments depends on pieces that have not been fully= specified (policy and path availability), both of which carry their own ri= sks/vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 Those need to be described here.


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193 8. Appendix

[minor] The Appendix should be= placed after the References, and it is not considered a Section (with a se= parate number) [rfc7322].

195 8.1. Problem Applicability

[nit] Should this Section be called "Pro= blem Description" instead?


...
204 =C2=A0 In MPLS or MPLS VPN networks [RFC4364], the same probl= em is observed
205 =C2=A0 if the functional MPLS LSP t= o the next-hop is not available (due to
206<= span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =C2=A0 the= forwarding path error on any node along the path to the next-
207 =C2=A0 hop).

[minor] s/the forwarding path error/a forwarding path err= or

You m= ean an error, not *the* error, right?=C2=A0 Are there examples of this?

209 =C2=A0 The follow= ing MPLS/VPN topology clarifies the problem -
210 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<-eBGP/IGP-> <-------MP-BGP------> <= -eBGP/IGP->

[minor] Expand these acronyms on first mention: eBGP, IBGP, MP-BGP, = CE, PE...

212 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CE1~~~~~~~~~PE1~~~MPLS Network~~~PE2~~~~~~~~CE2~~
213 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^<= /div>
214 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DPE1-PE2 LSP=3D=3D> =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^
2= 15 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^
2= 16 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a.b.c.d

[minor] Use rfc5737 addresses in the examples.

218 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Figur= e 1 MPLS VPN Network

220 <= /span> =C2=A0 In the network illustrated in Figure 1, the PE1 to PE2 LSP ma= y be
221 =C2=A0 non-functional due to any reason such = as corrupted MPLS Forwarding
222 =C2=A0 Table entry, = or the missing MPLS Forwarding table entry, or LDP
223 = =C2=A0 binding defect, or down LDP session between the P routers (with
224 =C2=A0 independent label distribution control) etc. I= n such a situation, it
225 =C2=A0 is clear that the CE= 1->CE2 traffic inserted into the MPLS network by
226 =C2=A0 PE1 will get dropped inside the MPLS network.

[minor] Expand/explain "= ;P router".

[minor] I know that all the reasons mentioned for a non-functional= path can happen...or have happened...but some are errors or bugs; shouldn&= #39;t the focus be on fixing them??=C2=A0 Are they still an issue?


...
261 8.1.2. Single-Homed VPN Sit= e with Site-to-Site Backup Connectivity
...<= /div>
268 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<------MP-BGP------>

270 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CE1~~~~~= ~~~~PE1~~~MPLS Network~~~PE2~~~~~~~~CE2~~
27= 1 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0\ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 / =C2=A0 ^
272 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~backup path~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0^<= /div>
273 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^<= /div>
274 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a.b.c.d

276 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Figure 3 MPLS VPN Network - CE1-CE2 Backup connection
<= div style=3D"margin:0px">
278 =C2=A0 Unless PE2 wi= thdraws the route via the routing protocol used on the
279 =C2=A0 PE-CE link, CE1 will not be able to activate the backup link
280 =C2=A0 (barring any tracking functionality) to the r= emote VPN site.

[minor] "Unless PE2 withdraws..." =C2=A0There is no quali= fication of why PE2 would do that.=C2=A0 I'm guessing that it is becaus= e the connection to CE2 went down (or something like that).=C2=A0 I know th= is is another example of the same thing, but please be complete.

BTW, a better exam= ple would be for PE1 to withdraw the route in response to lack of reachabil= ity...which seems to be what the summary bellow points to.

282 =C2=A0 In summary, if PE1 cou= ld appropriately qualify the BGP VPNv4
283 =C2=A0 best= path, then the VPN traffic outage could likely be avoided. Even
284 =C2=A0 if the VPN site was not multi-homed, it is desirable t= o force PE1 to
285 =C2=A0 withdraw the path from CE1 t= o improve the CE-to-CE convergence. This
286= =C2=A0 do= cument proposes a mechanism to achieve the optimal BGP behavior at
287 =C2=A0 PE.

[nit] s/document proposes/document defines

[nit] s/at PE/at the= PE

289<= span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> 8.1.3. 6PE = or 6VPE

= 291 =C2=A0= This problem is very much applicable to the MPLS network that is
292 =C2=A0 providing either 6PE [RFC4978] or 6VPE [RFC4659] ser= vice to
293 =C2=A0 transport IPv6 packets over the MPL= S network.

[minor] True, but it sounds like "I forgot to add v6..." =C2= =A0Maybe change one of the examples to an IPv6 destination.


295 <= /span>9. References

297 9.1. Normative References
...
302 =C2=A0 [RFC4364] Rosen E. and Rekhter Y., "BGP/MPLS IP= Virtual Private
303 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Networks (VPNs)", RFC4364, February 2006.

[minor] I think this ca= n be an Informative Reference.


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draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Himanshu Shah Message-ID: <156350003058.16320.1706123920028504977@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:33:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Rtgdir telechat review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 01:33:51 -0000 Reviewer: Himanshu Shah Review result: Has Nits Summary: I have some suggestions to improve the document by adding more context to the goal of this draft. Comments: The document is concise, clear and easy to read. Since this is my first review as Routing directorate, the suggestions I have, could be out-of-scope. Will leave at the discretion of AD and authors, if suggestions are worth pursuing or not. While Introduction section briefly mentions newer capabilities as the reason for extended message size for the BGP, it may help the reader to expand on the advantages of extended message as compared to current limitation of 4K BGP messages. For me, subsequent reading of the document as it underlines the migration, error cases and security risks, the advantages of extended message size seems to dissipate. I also suggest that authors address issue of extended delay at the receiver in processing of large size BGP messages while TCP’s reliable transport is building a complete message under challenging network conditions and compare that against smaller messages in distressed network. In my view, making a strong case on why extended message size, would greatly add value. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Please note the suggestion in the comment section above. Nits: See suggestions in comments section From nobody Fri Jul 19 09:26:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AF4120738; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rF6fPoOakymI; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59ED4120845; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id k8so34964978edr.11; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=r4N0hhdnwHykrrT2Z/fCGYQTD75PQgWh0WnAMUfOPWo=; b=Bazn1PvMAHJz9K7p1n/6N/3GdRdpUNagug/4zPR2+5aXsSuxqYD7mLYBji8M5JmlnZ cj4UJkoAGwdcIenl61s9APYACL3XWZ2Inot3yYeyyYVz3gd+HEfFgHJmg9byb/0bRw+B OVpOjRJ8hXUcYNiBR/zdSNbt1b1U44TPStICnEdvu5UJwf+4Urbxp3kb/qI9fX/m236x sZePlDAlthcNBCvl7XS2opmgUTUfrWOrscdMUF7w1NKL+/zftMfoE1fM+zxAJxKS8jTi crIVB5hnX7nlfWg2QB9Xd9M3xJ4CKuArbK5bduL8DeVrVV0Uk1fgxtmK4PdWUS+SnMhy WO2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=r4N0hhdnwHykrrT2Z/fCGYQTD75PQgWh0WnAMUfOPWo=; b=KlA4qHRjncqk1SNhmuHpp4x99xunoYfzq/uz8edJYK8Mv4d+ufbv3FWAU9FcdkHgas sUslcBsFIU7KGKBMGx+HV7TJt2PPgUpUBF+Ni9GNlHEuZDCsWfPe56iY1h3uZkRd0KNp zUSI6Of4T8DPFehMSHCGFQ+t6hd6hgxC2lbtybxsIVe7Q0DhMGnFdjsbwUu54S/U3LOA kqjUcar2tNytWWwG0RNbhgZlkm6NPCY7E/HzoSUl81f0F5QuXx0ppP+CySxs+r/tKXI3 F5TxRxwnvwuNeD3uxdLOyuBhc8xiVGuEZF6YEVlK+jUMKvYZZHVZAZlW3Cq8Jl2SJwGE 4pLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVEl+72BHIUqLho5AztQzl/gqp5bHhMm5BKezhC1DlgMfJ9bj9u GydqmCD3Px/cpHoZexMTiGL7H45ytgCY89YFGVgNt0Db2g8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwa1oBU0tfOxkreI68aytb+fvba2CDCuZOaJv1N9zAwk2nosMeX3zvX/sJGv6UI3x0fc5ahYUUDdfuutHsnMzE= X-Received: by 2002:a50:a5ec:: with SMTP id b41mr46003219edc.52.1563553557988; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:57 -0700 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Shah, Himanshu" , "" Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages.all@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000694c62058e0b2ef7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:26:03 -0000 --000000000000694c62058e0b2ef7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Himanshu: Thanks for the review! Alvaro. On July 18, 2019 at 10:31:08 PM, Shah, Himanshu (hshah@ciena.com) wrote: Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33.txt Reviewer: Himanshu Shah Review Date: 18 July 2019 IETF LC End Date: Unknown Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have some suggestions to improve the document by adding more context to the goal of this draft. Comments: The document is concise, clear and easy to read. Since this is my first review as Routing directorate, the suggestions I have, could be out-of-scope. Will leave at the discretion of AD and authors, if suggestions are worth pursuing or not. While Introduction section briefly mentions newer capabilities as the reason for extended message size for the BGP, it may help the reader to expand on the advantages of extended message as compared to current limitation of 4K BGP messages. For me, subsequent reading of the document as it underlines the migration, error cases and security risks, the advantages of extended message size seems to dissipate. I also suggest that authors address issue of extended delay at the receiver in processing of large size BGP messages while TCP=E2=80=99s reliable transport is building a complete mess= age under challenging network conditions and compare that against smaller messages in distressed network. In my view, making a strong case on why extended message size, would greatly add value. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Please note the suggestion in the comment section above. Nits: None. *Thanks,* *Himanshu* --000000000000694c62058e0b2ef7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Himanshu:

Thanks for the review!

Alvaro.

On July 18,= 2019 at 10:31:08 PM, Shah, Himanshu (hs= hah@ciena.com) wrote:

=

Hello,

=C2=A0

I have been selected as the Rout= ing Directorate reviewer for this draft.=

The Routing Directorate seeks to= review all routing or routing-related

drafts as they pass through IETF= last call and IESG review, and

sometimes on special request. Th= e purpose of the review is to provide

assistance to the Routing ADs. F= or more information about the Routing

Directorate, please see

=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.too= ls.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

=C2=A0

Although these comments are prim= arily for the use of the Routing ADs, it=

would be helpful if you could co= nsider them along with any other IETF

Last Call comments that you rece= ive, and strive to resolve them through<= /span>

discussion or by updating the dr= aft.

=C2=A0

Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext= ended-messages-33.txt

Reviewer:= Himanshu Shah=C2=A0

Review Date: 18 July 2019=

IETF LC End Date: Unknown=

Intended Status: Standards Track=

=C2=A0

Summary:= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

I have so= me suggestions to improve the document by adding more context to the goal o= f this draft.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Comments:=

=C2=A0

The docum= ent is concise, clear and easy to read.

=C2=A0

Since thi= s is my first review as Routing directorate, the suggestions I have,

could be = out-of-scope. Will leave at the discretion of AD and authors, if suggestion= s are worth pursuing or not.

=C2=A0

While Int= roduction section briefly mentions newer capabilities as the reason for ext= ended

message s= ize for the BGP, it may help the reader to expand on the advantages of exte= nded message

as compar= ed to current limitation of 4K BGP messages.=C2=A0 For me, subsequent readi= ng of the

document = as it underlines the migration, error cases and security risks, the advanta= ges of

extended = message size seems to dissipate.

=C2=A0

I also su= ggest that authors address issue of extended delay at the receiver in proce= ssing of large size BGP

messages = while TCP=E2=80=99s reliable transport is building a complete message under= challenging

network c= onditions and compare that against smaller messages in distressed network.<= /span>

=C2=A0

In my vie= w, making a strong case on why extended message size, would greatly add val= ue.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0Maj= or Issues:

=C2=A0

No major = issues found.

=C2=A0

Minor Iss= ues:

=C2=A0

No minor = issues found. Please note the suggestion in the comment section above.

=C2=A0

Nits:

=C2=A0

None.=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Himanshu

--000000000000694c62058e0b2ef7-- From nobody Sun Jul 21 14:02:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC3F12006E; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.372 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_GREY=0.424] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iDwfdK3-TniX; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CA61120045; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.145.251; From: "Susan Hares" To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002101d54007$95277f00$bf767d00$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01D53FE6.0E1765A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVABvBwjgEHtW9wSo+Qm0F9bH6JGg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190721-4, 07/21/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Next hop encoding - IDR list poll X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:02:22 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01D53FE6.0E1765A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings iDR and BESS: Would people who are a BGP implementer or work with a BGP implementer send this information to the IDR chairs? Name of Implementation: Your name: 1. Is your implementation capable of inferring next hop format from next hop length included in MP_REACH attribute ? 2. If Yes for #1 does this apply to any AFI/SAFI or is this only for selected AFI/SAFIs? If it is for select AFI/SAFIs, please provide the list. 3. Do you support encoding of two IPv6 next hops (global and link local) in the same next hop field and if so how do you use it once parsed correctly. If it would help you to collect this to have this information in an web format that could be clicked through in less than 5 minutes, please let me know. I can put up a snappy web form at www.surveymonkey.com. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01D53FE6.0E1765A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = iDR and BESS:

 

Would people = who are a BGP implementer or work with a

BGP implementer send this information to the IDR = chairs?

 

 

Name of = Implementation:

Your name: =

 <= /o:p>

1. Is your = implementation capable of inferring next hop format from = next

hop length = included in MP_REACH attribute ?

 <= /o:p>

2. If Yes = for #1 does this apply to any AFI/SAFI or is this only = for

selected = AFI/SAFIs?  If it is for select AFI/SAFIs, please provide the = list.

 <= /o:p>

3. Do you = support encoding of two IPv6 next hops (global and link local) = in

the same = next hop field and if so how do you use it once parsed = correctly.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

If it would = help you to collect this to have this information in = an

web format = that could be clicked through in less than 5 minutes, =

please let = me know.

 <= /o:p>

I can put = up a snappy web form at www.surveymonkey.com. =

 <= /o:p>

Cheerily, = Susan Hares

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01D53FE6.0E1765A0-- From nobody Mon Jul 22 07:32:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3380E1202D2; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:32:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156380596512.27951.13007424488075713370@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:32:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:32:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : The BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Authors : Keyur Patel Gunter Van de Velde Srihari R. Sangli Eric C. Rosen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2019-07-22 Abstract: RFC 5512 defines a BGP Path Attribute known as the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute". This attribute allows one to specify a set of tunnels. For each such tunnel, the attribute can provide the information needed to create the tunnel and the corresponding encapsulation header. The attribute can also provide information that aids in choosing whether a particular packet is to be sent through a particular tunnel. RFC 5512 states that the attribute is only carried in BGP UPDATEs that have the "Encapsulation Subsequent Address Family (Encapsulation SAFI)". This document deprecates the Encapsulation SAFI (which has never been used in production), and specifies semantics for the attribute when it is carried in UPDATEs of certain other SAFIs. This document adds support for additional tunnel types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to be specified for each tunnel. This document also provides support for specifying fields of any inner or outer encapsulations that may be used by a particular tunnel. This document obsoletes RFC 5512. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 22 07:41:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1101120059 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwYgvMZJHUeK for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0089120024 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.154.200; From: "Susan Hares" To: References: <156380596542.27951.13215652656593162586.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <156380596542.27951.13215652656593162586.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000001d5409b$8e26e580$aa74b080$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQKbF6SB0JNYxInW6q/7pIo07BxKq6VLB6/Q X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190722-4, 07/22/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:41:36 -0000 Keyur: Thank you for posting this revision of the tunnel draft.=20 Sue Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:33 AM To: idr-chairs@ietf.org; Keyur Patel; Srihari Ramachandra; Gunter Van de = Velde; Srihari R. Sangli Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt has been successfully submitted by Keyur Patel and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps Revision: 13 Title: The BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Document date: 2019-07-22 Group: idr Pages: 42 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 Abstract: RFC 5512 defines a BGP Path Attribute known as the "Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute". This attribute allows one to specify a set of tunnels. For each such tunnel, the attribute can provide the information needed to create the tunnel and the corresponding encapsulation header. The attribute can also provide information that aids in choosing whether a particular packet is to be sent through a particular tunnel. RFC 5512 states that the attribute is only carried in BGP UPDATEs that have the "Encapsulation Subsequent Address Family (Encapsulation SAFI)". This document deprecates the Encapsulation SAFI (which has never been used in production), and specifies semantics for the attribute when it is carried in UPDATEs of certain other SAFIs. This document adds support for additional tunnel types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to be specified for each tunnel. This document also provides support for specifying fields of any inner or outer encapsulations that may be used by a particular tunnel. This document obsoletes RFC 5512. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. 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To: "'Linda Dunbar'" , "'Keyur Patel'" , "'Acee Lindem \(acee\)'" , "'John Scudder'" Cc: , , "'Robert Raszuk'" References: <234E41A5-F754-4630-B73C-8A9D52E44198@juniper.net> <6691B6FF-E9F5-4E9B-8D91-E8371993EDB5@juniper.net> <5E89EE56-8852-4A1C-B072-EFE15ADA2618@juniper.net> <9E64708F-5E78-422C-8339-3447529BABB4@arrcus.com> <68538D45-E8CD-4FDA-ABA4-BEC4A7586410@juniper.net> <900E9356-CB87-4148-BAE9-238A6C3A3230@juniper.net> <20D8F76F-093A-48E3-873C-90720EAD5C51@arrcus.com> <12DEE829-3FAD-4E05-B5AF-EF61046CD5D6@cisco.com> <5460E5F7-8F8A-4F06-9494-C25D11E0BAFF@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003801d5409d$b59b88d0$20d29a70$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01D5407C.2E9644E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQIqxuDAI7j1Uabo3xeB3fKqBmcDfQCrpuwcAWbYPzIBMLlV6ADmOckVAa+YlOsB0LfdMAJmAcd1AIHMJLUCad+MOQITXdC+ApcjYnABPjOXGwFlkgI8Ay6LIESlb+o5MA== X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190722-4, 07/22/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:57:21 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01D5407C.2E9644E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Linda and Keyur: =20 At this point, I will channel John Scudder as well as myself.=20 =20 At this point, adding these functions to the current draft is out of = scope. The draft has past WG LC and the changes allowed are = =E2=80=9Cerrors=E2=80=9D or generally accepted =E2=80=9Ctextual = changes=E2=80=9D. Keyur and his co-authors last revision was done = under those constraints.=20 =20 Additional features for the tunnel encapsulation drafts will need to go = in a follow-on draft. Many people have proposed follow-on additions. = Drafts related to those follow-on (e.g. = draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt).=20 =20 =20 =20 Cheerily, Susan Hares =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:51 AM To: Keyur Patel; Acee Lindem (acee); John Scudder Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org; Robert Raszuk Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 =20 Keyur,=20 =20 Will the Tunnel-Encap draft also add PE WAN ports properties propagation = to controlled group of peers (PEs)?=20 Specifically, the functionality that would help the C-PE to register its = WAN Port properties.=20 In SDWAN scenarios, Some WAN ports are facing public internet with ISP = assigned addresses, some WAN ports are assigned with private addresses = which need to propagate NAT information to the trusted peers via = Controllers, such as the virtual C-PEs instantiated in public Cloud DCs, = and some WAN ports are facing the trusted MPLS network. =20 Linda =20 From: Idr On Behalf Of Keyur Patel Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:43 AM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; John Scudder Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org; Robert Raszuk = Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 =20 Folks, =20 Draft version 13 is posted. We have redefined =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint = Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CTunnel egress endpoint=E2=80=9D. We also = added text in section 3.1 to clarify the definition of =E2=80=9CTunnel = egress endpoint=E2=80=9D. Finally, IANA section is updated to request = the change the name to =E2=80=9CTunnel egress endpoint=E2=80=9D. =20 Best Regards, Keyur =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 = =20 =20 From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 5:25 PM To: Keyur Patel , John Scudder Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , = "draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org" = , Robert Raszuk = Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 Resent-From: =20 All, It occurred to me that =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D is = somewhat of a misnomer and perhaps there would be less confusion if this = were referred to as the =E2=80=9CTunnel Endpoint Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D.=20 Thanks, Acee =20 From: Idr on behalf of Keyur Patel = Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 1:57 PM To: John Scudder Cc: IDR List , "draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org" = , Robert Raszuk = Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 =20 Hi John, all =20 To that point, I am ok with putting in a text that clarifies a = definition of a remote end-point address. What I like to do is provide a = flexibility on what that address can be so it can be inserted by = controllers (within the same administrative domain).=20 =20 Please provide a short text describing the endpoint definition and would = be happy to incorporate. =F0=9F=98=8A =20 Otherwise here is the suggested text for section3.1: =E2=80=9CThe Remote = Endpoint Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D: Instead of: 3. an address sub-field, whose length depends upon the Address Family. Maybe: 3. an address sub-field, whose length depends upon the Address Family. This is a remote endpoint address for the tunnel. = Receiving BGP speaker of this sub-TLV MUST use this address to establish = the tunnel.=20 =20 =20 Regards, Keyur =20 From: John Scudder Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 10:15 AM To: Keyur Patel Cc: Linda Dunbar , Robert Raszuk = , "idr@ietf.org" , = "draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org" = Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 Resent-From: =20 (As a contributor)=20 =20 I guess the disconnect arises from how each reader parses = =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D. To me, and I guess other reviewers who also = didn=E2=80=99t notice a problem, it is self-evident that = =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D means =E2=80=9Cthe other end of the tunnel from = the point of view of the router encapsulating the packet=E2=80=9D. This = conversation makes it clear that=E2=80=99s not the only possible = reading. As mentioned earlier, I would have no objection to clarifying = that point. =20 =E2=80=94John On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Keyur Patel wrote: =20 Hi Linda, =20 My comments inlined #Keyur =20 From: Linda Dunbar < = ldunbar@futurewei.com> Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 8:54 AM To: John Scudder < jgs@juniper.net>, Robert = Raszuk < robert@raszuk.net> Cc: Keyur Patel < keyur@arrcus.com>, " = idr@ietf.org" < = idr@ietf.org>, " = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org" < = = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 Resent-From: < keyur@arrcus.com> =20 John and authors: =20 The Section 1.1 says that if R1 sends packets to R2, the remote endpoint = of such tunnel is R2. Of course, from R1=E2=80=99s perspective, R2 is = the remote endpoint. But when R2 composes a Tunnel-Encap Update, it is not obvious and not = intuitive at all that R2 needs to call itself =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D. = That is where the confusion is. I have raised this question back in -10 = version, repeated the question on IDR mailing list, but no one answered. = =20 #Keyur: Hopefully this has been clarified. =20 Many thanks to John responding to my questions. Those emails have helped = me to understand the intent of the draft. But I am sure that many = implementors who don=E2=80=99t participate in this discussion and future = new people coming to IDR will be confused as I was. No wonder it is so = hard for any new people to participate/contribute to IDR. =20 Simply put, this draft is to announce a node=E2=80=99s tunnel = encapsulation capabilities (either by its own, or by a third party), = Correct? =20 #Keyur: And the tunnel endpoint address (minimally. Abstract has it = covered). =20 It will be very helpful to implementors, who are not participating in = the discussion today, to add this one sentence to the beginning of = Section 3.1: =20 Remote Endpoint is from receivers=E2=80=99 perspective. When an endpoint = A announces its tunnel encapsulation capabilities, it put its own = address in the =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint=E2=80=9D sub-TLV. =20 It will be even more helpful to add this sentence to the Abstract and = Introduction: This draft is to announce an endpoint=E2=80=99s (a node or an interface) = tunnel encapsulation capabilities (either by its own, or by a third = party), so that receivers can establish appropriate tunnels to this = endpoint. =20 #Keyur: Super. Thanks! As a FYI: There is a text that is in Abstract = section 1.2 and section 1.3 which says what you have said and I quote = them. =20 Abstract This document adds support for additional tunnel types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to be specified for each tunnel. =20 =20 Section 1.2 There is no way to use the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to specify the remote endpoint address of a given tunnel; [RFC5512] assumes that the remote endpoint of each tunnel is specified as the NLRI of an UPDATE of the Encapsulation-SAFI. =20 Section 1.3 Defining a new "Remote Endpoint Address sub-TLV" that can be included in any of the TLVs contained in the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute. This sub-TLV can be used to specify the remote endpoint address of a particular tunnel. =20 Regards, Keyur =20 =20 Thank you very much.=20 =20 Linda=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: John Scudder < jgs@juniper.net>=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 8:50 AM To: Robert Raszuk < robert@raszuk.net> Cc: Keyur Patel < keyur@arrcus.com>; Linda = Dunbar < ldunbar@futurewei.com>; = idr@ietf.org; = = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12 =20 (As an individual contributor) On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Robert Raszuk < = robert@raszuk.net> wrote: =20 If A sends an update to B with field of "remote endpoint" does this = field apply to A or B ? Is it remote from sender perspective or receiver = perspective of BGP update. That is the dilemma here.=20 =20 If you read section 1.1 you=E2=80=99ll see (emphasis added): =20 In this scenario, when R1 transmits packet P, it should transmit it to R2 through one of the tunnels specified in U's Tunnel Encapsulation attribute. The IP address of the remote endpoint of each such tunnel is R2. Packet P is known as the tunnel's "payload". =20 That seems to leave nothing to the imagination. But wait you might say, = that describes RFC 5512, how am I supposed to know tunnel-encaps has not = reversed the definition? For that, we can take a look at section 5, = "Semantics and Usage of the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute=E2=80=9D, = which is exactly where I as a reader would go look to find the semantics = and usage, before I decided to complain they were not clear. The = bulleted list in that section leaves no room for doubt as to whether the = field applies to A or B: it applies to B.=20 =20 So, as a reader, who is looking for clarity and not for things to = complain about, I think the document is clear. =20 (As a co-chair) =20 Despite what the individual contributor said above, if the authors = desire to add a short definition of =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint=E2=80=9D to = address these complaints, I wouldn=E2=80=99t have a problem with that = and don=E2=80=99t think it would require another last call period. =20 Regards, =20 =E2=80=94John =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01D5407C.2E9644E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Linda and Keyur:

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At this point, I will channel John Scudder as = well as myself.

 

At this point, adding = these functions to the current draft is out of scope.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0The draft has past WG LC and the changes allowed are = =E2=80=9Cerrors=E2=80=9D or generally accepted =E2=80=9Ctextual = changes=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Keyur and his co-authors last revision was = done under those constraints.

 

Additional features for = the tunnel encapsulation drafts will need to go in a follow-on draft. = =C2=A0=C2=A0Many people have proposed follow-on additions.=C2=A0 Drafts = related to those follow-on (e.g. draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt). =

 

<chair hat off> =

 

Cheerily, Susan = Hares

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda = Dunbar
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:51 AM
To: = Keyur Patel; Acee Lindem (acee); John Scudder
Cc: = idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org; Robert = Raszuk
Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised = during IDR Thurs session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12

 

Keyur, =

 

Will the Tunnel-Encap draft also add PE WAN ports = properties propagation to controlled group of peers (PEs)? =

Specifically, the functionality that = would help the C-PE to register its WAN Port properties. =

In SDWAN scenarios, Some WAN ports = are facing public internet with ISP assigned addresses, some WAN ports = are assigned with private addresses which need to propagate NAT = information to the trusted peers via Controllers, such as the virtual = C-PEs instantiated in public Cloud DCs, and some WAN ports are facing = the trusted MPLS network.

 

Linda

 

From: Idr = <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Keyur = Patel
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Acee = Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; John Scudder = <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org; Robert Raszuk = <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my = questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12

 

Folks,

 

Draft = version 13 is posted. We have redefined =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint = Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CTunnel egress endpoint=E2=80=9D.  We = also added text in section 3.1 to clarify the definition of = =E2=80=9CTunnel egress endpoint=E2=80=9D. Finally, IANA section is = updated to request the change the name to =E2=80=9CTunnel egress = endpoint=E2=80=9D.

 

Best = Regards,

Keyur

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps= -13

=

 

From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" = <acee@cisco.com>
Date: = Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 5:25 PM
To: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, John Scudder = <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: = "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject= : Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12
Resent-From: = <keyur@arrcus.com>

 

All,

It occurred to me = that =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D is somewhat of a misnomer = and perhaps there would be less confusion if this were referred to as = the =E2=80=9CTunnel Endpoint Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D.

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>
Date: = Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 1:57 PM
To: John Scudder = <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: = IDR List <idr@ietf.org>, = "draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject= : Re: [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs = session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12

 

Hi John, = all

 

To that point, I am ok with putting in a text = that clarifies a  definition of a remote end-point address. What I = like to do is provide a flexibility on what that address can be so it = can be inserted by controllers (within the same administrative domain). =

 

Please provide a short text describing the = endpoint definition and would be happy to incorporate. 😊

 

Otherwise here is the suggested text for = section3.1: =E2=80=9CThe Remote Endpoint = Sub-TLV=E2=80=9D:

Instead of:

3.  an address sub-field, whose length depends = upon the Address

       = Family.

Maybe:

3.  an address sub-field, whose length depends = upon the Address

       Family. This is a = remote endpoint address for the tunnel. Receiving BGP speaker of this = sub-TLV MUST use this address to establish the tunnel. =

 

  =

Regards,

Keyur

 

From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Date: = Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 10:15 AM
To: Keyur Patel = <keyur@arrcus.com>
Cc: = Linda Dunbar <ldunbar@futurewei.com>, = Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-tunn= el-encaps@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] recap my = questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12
Resent-From: <keyur@arrcus.com>

 

(As a contributor) =

 

I guess the disconnect = arises from how each reader parses =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D. To me, and = I guess other reviewers who also didn=E2=80=99t notice a problem, it is = self-evident that =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D means =E2=80=9Cthe other end = of the tunnel from the point of view of the router encapsulating the = packet=E2=80=9D. This conversation makes it clear that=E2=80=99s not the = only possible reading. As mentioned earlier, I would have no objection = to clarifying that point.

 

=E2=80=94John



On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Keyur Patel = <keyur@arrcus.com> = wrote:

 

Hi = Linda,

 

My comments inlined = #Keyur

 

From: Linda Dunbar <ldunbar@futurewei.com<= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>>
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 = at 8:54 AM
To: John Scudder = <jgs@juniper.net>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf= .org" <draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf= .org>
Subject: RE: [Idr] recap my = questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12
Resent-From: <keyur@arrcus.com>

 

John and = authors:

 

The Section 1.1 says that = if R1 sends packets to R2, the remote endpoint of such tunnel is R2. Of = course, from R1=E2=80=99s perspective, R2 is the remote = endpoint.

But when R2 composes a Tunnel-Encap Update, = it is not obvious and not intuitive at all that R2 needs to call itself = =E2=80=9Cremote=E2=80=9D. That is where the confusion is. I have raised = this question back in -10 version, repeated the question on IDR mailing = list, but no one answered. 

 

#Keyur: Hopefully this has = been clarified.

 

Many thanks to John = responding to my questions. Those emails have helped me to understand = the intent of the draft. But I am sure that many implementors who = don=E2=80=99t participate in this discussion and future new people = coming to IDR will be confused as I was. No wonder it is so hard for any = new people to participate/contribute to IDR.

 

Simply put, this draft is = to announce a node=E2=80=99s tunnel encapsulation capabilities (either = by its own, or by a third party), Correct?

 

#Keyur: And the tunnel = endpoint address (minimally. Abstract has it = covered).

 

It will be very helpful to = implementors, who are not participating in the discussion today, to add = this one sentence to the beginning of Section = 3.1:

 

Remote Endpoint is from receivers=E2=80=99 = perspective. When an endpoint A announces its tunnel encapsulation = capabilities, it put its own address in the =E2=80=9CRemote = Endpoint=E2=80=9D sub-TLV.

 

It will be even more = helpful to add this sentence to the Abstract and = Introduction:

This draft is to = announce an endpoint=E2=80=99s (a node or an interface)  tunnel = encapsulation capabilities (either by its own, or by a third party), so = that receivers can establish appropriate tunnels to this = endpoint.

 

#Keyur: Super. Thanks! As a = FYI: There is a text that is in Abstract section 1.2 and section 1.3 = which says what you have said and I quote = them.

 

Abstract

<snip>

This document adds = support for additional

   tunnel = types, and allows a remote tunnel endpoint address to = be

   = specified for each tunnel.

 

</snip>

 

Section = 1.2

<snip>

There is no way to = use the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute = to

  =     specify the remote endpoint address of a given = tunnel; [RFC5512]

      assumes that the remote endpoint of = each tunnel is specified as

      the NLRI of an UPDATE of the = Encapsulation-SAFI.

</snip>

 

Section = 1.3

<snip>

Defining a new = "Remote Endpoint Address sub-TLV" that can = be

      included in any of the TLVs = contained in the Tunnel Encapsulation

      attribute.  This sub-TLV can = be used to specify the remote

      endpoint address of a particular = tunnel.

 

</snip>

Regards,

Keyur

 

 

Thank you very much. 

 

Linda 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 8:50 = AM
To: Robert = Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>; Linda Dunbar = <ldunbar@futurewei.com>; idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.orgSubject: Re: = [Idr] recap my questions and issues raised during IDR Thurs session for = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12

 

(As an individual = contributor)





On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:07 = AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> = wrote:

 

If A = sends an update to B with field of "remote endpoint" does this = field apply to A or B ? Is it remote from sender perspective or receiver = perspective of BGP update. That is the dilemma = here. 

 

If you read section 1.1 = you=E2=80=99ll see (emphasis = added):

 

   In this =
scenario, when R1 transmits packet P, it should transmit =
it
   to R2 =
through one of the tunnels specified in U's Tunnel
   Encapsulation attribute.  =
The IP address of the remote endpoint of
   each such tunnel is R2.  =
Packet P is known as the tunnel's =
"payload".

 

That seems to leave nothing = to the imagination. But wait you might say, that describes RFC 5512, how = am I supposed to know tunnel-encaps has not reversed the definition? For = that, we can take a look at section 5, "Semantics and Usage of the = Tunnel Encapsulation attribute=E2=80=9D, which is exactly where I as a = reader would go look to find the semantics and usage, before I decided = to complain they were not clear. The bulleted list in that section = leaves no room for doubt as to whether the field applies to A or B: it = applies to B. 

 

So, as a reader, who is = looking for clarity and not for things to complain about, I think the = document is clear.

 

(As a = co-chair)

 

Despite what the individual = contributor said above, if the authors desire to add a short definition = of =E2=80=9CRemote Endpoint=E2=80=9D to address these complaints, I = wouldn=E2=80=99t have a problem with that and don=E2=80=99t think it = would require another last call = period.

 

Regards,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-left:.5in'> 

=E2=80=94John

=

 

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(skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.154.200; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Job Snijders'" , Cc: References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> <20190722151151.GS33367@vurt.meerval.net> In-Reply-To: <20190722151151.GS33367@vurt.meerval.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:24:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01d540a1$8433fe90$8c9bfbb0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIdg7HoWEJ9E9Q2QbmV0ImeCpD95AGXQrsVpjmBa8A= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190722-4, 07/22/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:24:23 -0000 Job: Thanks for the feedback. Let me think on the wordsmithing of the charter. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Job Snijders [mailto:job@ntt.net] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:12 AM To: Susan Hares; jared@puck.nether.net Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion Dear Susan, group, On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010. > > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter: > > Somethings we might include are: It may be good to consider some operations and management functions to be specced out in IDR. >From the operational side of the house I recall a few long-standing wishes: - ability to see which prefixes are accepted/rejected by the EBGP neighbor - ability to see the maximum prefix limits configured by the EBGP neighbor - ability to relay some contact / circuit details over an EBGP session to facilitate inter-organization coordination All of the above can be accomplished in non-realtime through out-of-band mechanisms like e-mail and phone; but this type of out-of-band channels often are error-prone. I think we would benefit from actively shifting some of this OAM from out-of-band into the BGP protocol itself so less coordination is needed between autonomous system operators. I am not sure how to exactly word a high level milestone suitable for the charter. "Add more OAM"? "Add more operational debugging capabilities"? 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0119_01D54135.8A6BCB50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVBVwQxTW730i6NTCewzi9PkYiW7g== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190723-0, 07/23/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues for Charter X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:04:03 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01D54135.8A6BCB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all: We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent to the IDR list for consideration. Below I've included summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be included in the next IDR Charter. Based on these issues, John and I will propose Charter later today. Please let us know if you have issues with my summary or if something else should be added. One of the charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today (15:20-16:50). The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS. Cheerily, Susan Hares --------------------- 1) Working on IPSEC tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation work Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for publication. There is interest to continue to define other tunnel types. IDR should continue to define the mechanisms, and aid other groups in use case and application. As draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended Community tunnel encapsulation support should be transition to the new attribute draft Charter should include: New tunnel encapsulation, RFC5566 revision, aid to review use cases for BESS 2) Auto-configuration Summary: Interest exists in auto-configuration, but the first step is to get a firm grasp on IDR specific requirements. LSVR work is continuing in parallel. Charter should include: IDR general support requirement setting (Zero-touch, peer finding at L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration. Auto-configuration requirement setting should include requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF Yang module interaction. 3) BGP Security Summary: Concern exists regarding BGP security and the peering trust models emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion Charter: Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a part of IDR Charter. The BGP peerin 4) BGP-LS Summary: . IDR needs to guide the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth mechanisms. . Drafts specifying the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in combinational drafts, And just reviewed by IDR rather than having 2 drafts (LSR and BGP). New Work: Adopting new error handling ( RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, Review work: Aiding rapid review of specific new features by review Gray area: Where do we place specific new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key growth or features. Charter: Will differentiate between IDR new work and review/guidance of other WGs. 5) IDR as a non-Routing Transport (N-RIT) Summary: no significant discussion on the list. Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting Note: Alvaro Retana indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. Charter: No additions planned 6) E-BGP enhancements Summary: E-BGP topic received little discussion on the list. Traditionally E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic. There are two components to proposals: management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to create new BGP functions. IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of E-BGP and the allowed management specific protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. Charter: Chairs will ask WG if problem continuing the past methodology. Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP packets will be done in IDR. Any YANG models on the base BGP protocol or E-BGP enhancements. Anything proposals in the management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. 7) Flowspec Summary: Lengthy debates on RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with implementations, but no RFC. It is important to push current drafts out to completion. Charter: Rapid completion of existing drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter. 8) Next-Hop Encoding Summary: MPLS, BESS, SPRING and IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols. Since IDR is the key place to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop encoding work in all revisions of the protocol. It is also important to know if you can "trust" the Next-Hop sent or at what level you can trust. 9) RFC4271 revision Summary: As far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. The BGP specification effort of layering other documents on top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work. Is this correct? ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01D54135.8A6BCB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = all:

 

We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent = to the IDR list for consideration.   Below I’ve included = summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be = included in the next IDR Charter.   Based on these issues, = John and I will propose Charter later today.  =  

 

Please let us know if you have issues with my summary = or if something else should be added.

 

One of the = charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today = (15:20-16:50).    The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR = look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS = usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS.   =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

---------------------

 

1)      = Working on  IPSEC = tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation = work

 

    = Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for = publication. 

    There is = interest to continue to define other tunnel types.

     IDR should = continue to define the mechanisms, and

     aid other = groups in use case and application.

     As = draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended

     Community = tunnel encapsulation support should be

      transitio= n to the new attribute draft

 

     Charter should = include:  New tunnel encapsulation,  RFC5566 revision, aid to = review use cases for BESS

 

2)      = Auto-configuration =

 

Summary: Interest exists in = auto-configuration, but the first step

         &= nbsp;      is to get a firm grasp on IDR = specific requirements.

LSVR work is continuing in = parallel.

 

         &= nbsp;      Charter should include:  =  IDR general support requirement setting

         &= nbsp;      (Zero-touch, peer finding at = L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration.

         &= nbsp;      Auto-configuration requirement = setting should include

         &= nbsp;      requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF = Yang module interaction. =       

 

3)      = BGP Security =

Summary: =  Concern exists regarding BGP security and the

peering trust models = emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion

 

Charter: =  Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a = part of IDR Charter.  The BGP peerin

4)      = BGP-LS

 

Summary: 

·         = IDR needs to guide = the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth = mechanisms. 

·         = Drafts specifying = the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in = combinational drafts,

And just reviewed by IDR rather than having = 2 drafts (LSR and BGP).

 

         &= nbsp;    New Work:  Adopting new error handling ( = RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, =

         &= nbsp;    Review work:  Aiding rapid review of = specific new features by review

         &= nbsp;    Gray area:  Where do we place specific = new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key = growth or features.

 

=             &= nbsp;  Charter: Will differentiate between IDR new work and = review/guidance of other WGs.

 

5)      = IDR as a non-Routing = Transport  (N-RIT)

 

Summary: no significant discussion on the = list.  Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting

Note:  Alvaro Retana = indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. =

 

Charter:  No additions planned =

 

6)      = E-BGP = enhancements

 

Summary:  E-BGP = topic received little discussion on the list.   Traditionally = E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic.

         &= nbsp;      There are two components to = proposals:   management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to = create new BGP functions. 

         &= nbsp;      IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS = groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of = E-BGP and the

         &= nbsp;      allowed management specific = protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. =     

 

Charter:  Chairs will ask WG if = problem continuing the past methodology.

  =   

Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP = packets will be done in IDR.  Any YANG models on the base BGP = protocol or E-BGP enhancements.  Anything proposals in the = management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. =

 

         &= nbsp;      

7)      = Flowspec =

 

Summary:  Lengthy debates on = RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with = implementations, but no

RFC.  It is important to push current = drafts out to completion.

 

         &= nbsp;     Charter: Rapid completion of existing = drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter.

 

 

8)      = Next-Hop = Encoding

 

Summary:  MPLS, BESS, SPRING and = IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols.  Since = IDR is the key place

to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is = important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop = encoding work in

all revisions of the protocol.   It = is also important to know if you can “trust” the Next-Hop = sent or at what level you can trust.

 

 

9)      = RFC4271 revision =

 

Summary:  As = far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. =   The BGP specification effort of

layering other documents on = top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work.  Is this correct? =

------=_NextPart_000_0119_01D54135.8A6BCB50-- From nobody Tue Jul 23 06:08:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DDB1202BF; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3nw0E0JPNbe; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92A7B1202D9; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=207.115.96.130; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , References: <011801d54157$117d6b50$347841f0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <011801d54157$117d6b50$347841f0$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: <013f01d54157$c2b10940$48131bc0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01D54136.3BA42430" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK7ZHnmeDdYD+Vk9NzGvEj5rX8HVaUL5k8Q Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190723-0, 07/23/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues for Charter X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:08:53 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D54136.3BA42430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: I just got an email that I missed some suggestions in my summary. If I have missed your suggestion, please let me know or send a note to IDR. Cheerily, Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:04 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues for Charter Greetings all: We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent to the IDR list for consideration. Below I've included summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be included in the next IDR Charter. Based on these issues, John and I will propose Charter later today. Please let us know if you have issues with my summary or if something else should be added. One of the charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today (15:20-16:50). The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS. Cheerily, Susan Hares --------------------- 1) Working on IPSEC tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation work Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for publication. There is interest to continue to define other tunnel types. IDR should continue to define the mechanisms, and aid other groups in use case and application. As draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended Community tunnel encapsulation support should be transition to the new attribute draft Charter should include: New tunnel encapsulation, RFC5566 revision, aid to review use cases for BESS 2) Auto-configuration Summary: Interest exists in auto-configuration, but the first step is to get a firm grasp on IDR specific requirements. LSVR work is continuing in parallel. Charter should include: IDR general support requirement setting (Zero-touch, peer finding at L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration. Auto-configuration requirement setting should include requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF Yang module interaction. 3) BGP Security Summary: Concern exists regarding BGP security and the peering trust models emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion Charter: Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a part of IDR Charter. The BGP peerin 4) BGP-LS Summary: . IDR needs to guide the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth mechanisms. . Drafts specifying the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in combinational drafts, And just reviewed by IDR rather than having 2 drafts (LSR and BGP). New Work: Adopting new error handling ( RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, Review work: Aiding rapid review of specific new features by review Gray area: Where do we place specific new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key growth or features. Charter: Will differentiate between IDR new work and review/guidance of other WGs. 5) IDR as a non-Routing Transport (N-RIT) Summary: no significant discussion on the list. Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting Note: Alvaro Retana indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. Charter: No additions planned 6) E-BGP enhancements Summary: E-BGP topic received little discussion on the list. Traditionally E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic. There are two components to proposals: management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to create new BGP functions. IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of E-BGP and the allowed management specific protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. Charter: Chairs will ask WG if problem continuing the past methodology. Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP packets will be done in IDR. Any YANG models on the base BGP protocol or E-BGP enhancements. Anything proposals in the management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. 7) Flowspec Summary: Lengthy debates on RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with implementations, but no RFC. It is important to push current drafts out to completion. Charter: Rapid completion of existing drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter. 8) Next-Hop Encoding Summary: MPLS, BESS, SPRING and IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols. Since IDR is the key place to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop encoding work in all revisions of the protocol. It is also important to know if you can "trust" the Next-Hop sent or at what level you can trust. 9) RFC4271 revision Summary: As far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. The BGP specification effort of layering other documents on top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work. Is this correct? ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D54136.3BA42430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

 

I just got an email that = I missed some suggestions in my summary.   If I have missed = your suggestion, please let me know or send a note to IDR. =

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares =

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:04 AM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; = bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues = for Charter

 

Greetings = all:

 

We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent = to the IDR list for consideration.   Below I’ve included = summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be = included in the next IDR Charter.   Based on these issues, = John and I will propose Charter later today.  =  

 

Please let us know if you have issues with my summary = or if something else should be added.

 

One of the = charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today = (15:20-16:50).    The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR = look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS = usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS.   =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

---------------------

 

1)      = Working on  IPSEC = tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation = work

 

    = Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for = publication. 

    There is = interest to continue to define other tunnel types.

     IDR should = continue to define the mechanisms, and

     aid other = groups in use case and application.

     As = draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended

     Community = tunnel encapsulation support should be

      transitio= n to the new attribute draft

 

     Charter should = include:  New tunnel encapsulation,  RFC5566 revision, aid to = review use cases for BESS

 

2)      = Auto-configuration =

 

Summary: Interest exists in = auto-configuration, but the first step

         &= nbsp;      is to get a firm grasp on IDR = specific requirements.

LSVR work is continuing in = parallel.

 

         &= nbsp;      Charter should include:  =  IDR general support requirement setting

         &= nbsp;      (Zero-touch, peer finding at = L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration.

         &= nbsp;      Auto-configuration requirement = setting should include

         &= nbsp;      requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF = Yang module interaction. =       

 

3)      = BGP Security =

Summary: =  Concern exists regarding BGP security and the

peering trust models = emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion

 

Charter: =  Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a = part of IDR Charter.  The BGP peerin

 

4)      = BGP-LS

 

Summary: 

·         = IDR needs to guide = the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth = mechanisms. 

·         = Drafts specifying = the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in = combinational drafts,

And just reviewed by IDR rather than having = 2 drafts (LSR and BGP).

 

         &= nbsp;    New Work:  Adopting new error handling ( = RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, =

         &= nbsp;    Review work:  Aiding rapid review of = specific new features by review

         &= nbsp;    Gray area:  Where do we place specific = new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key = growth or features.

 

         &= nbsp;     Charter: Will differentiate between = IDR new work and review/guidance of other WGs.

 

5)      = IDR as a non-Routing = Transport  (N-RIT)

 

Summary: no significant discussion on the = list.  Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting

Note:  Alvaro Retana = indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. =

 

Charter:  No additions planned =

 

6)      = E-BGP = enhancements

 

Summary:  E-BGP = topic received little discussion on the list.   Traditionally = E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic.

         &= nbsp;      There are two components to = proposals:   management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to = create new BGP functions. 

         &= nbsp;      IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS = groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of = E-BGP and the

         &= nbsp;      allowed management specific = protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. =     

 

Charter:  Chairs will ask WG if = problem continuing the past methodology.

  =   

Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP = packets will be done in IDR.  Any YANG models on the base BGP = protocol or E-BGP enhancements.  Anything proposals in the = management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. =

 

         &= nbsp;      

7)      = Flowspec =

 

Summary:  Lengthy debates on = RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with = implementations, but no

RFC.  It is important to push current = drafts out to completion.

 

         &= nbsp;     Charter: Rapid completion of existing = drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter.

 

 

8)      = Next-Hop = Encoding

 

Summary:  MPLS, BESS, SPRING and = IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols.  Since = IDR is the key place

to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is = important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop = encoding work in

all revisions of the protocol.   It = is also important to know if you can “trust” the Next-Hop = sent or at what level you can trust.

 

 

9)      = RFC4271 revision =

 

Summary:  As = far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. =   The BGP specification effort of

layering other documents on = top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work.  Is this correct? =

------=_NextPart_000_0140_01D54136.3BA42430-- From nobody Tue Jul 23 07:10:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5F4120306; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7gNgoqTZVO2n; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52834120350; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=207.115.96.130; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , References: <011801d54157$117d6b50$347841f0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <011801d54157$117d6b50$347841f0$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <003401d54160$537378c0$fa5a6a40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01D5413E.CC6CD540" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK7ZHnmeDdYD+Vk9NzGvEj5rX8HVaUL9lyA Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190723-0, 07/23/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues for Charter X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:10:30 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D5413E.CC6CD540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: #6 E-BGP enhancements Summary: E-BGP topic received little discussion on the list. Traditionally E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic. There are three components to proposals: management of the E-BGP, enhancements to E-BGP best path selection, and new E-BGP based IP Services. IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of E-BGP and the allowed management specific protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. IDR looks at E-BGP best path and the BGP changes for new E-BGP based IP Services. BESS has been chartered to work on specifications BGP IP Services. Charter: Chairs suggest continuing this approach for E-BGP additions. Sue hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:04 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues for Charter Greetings all: We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent to the IDR list for consideration. Below I've included summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be included in the next IDR Charter. Based on these issues, John and I will propose Charter later today. Please let us know if you have issues with my summary or if something else should be added. One of the charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today (15:20-16:50). The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS. Cheerily, Susan Hares --------------------- 1) Working on IPSEC tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation work Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for publication. There is interest to continue to define other tunnel types. IDR should continue to define the mechanisms, and aid other groups in use case and application. As draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended Community tunnel encapsulation support should be transition to the new attribute draft Charter should include: New tunnel encapsulation, RFC5566 revision, aid to review use cases for BESS 2) Auto-configuration Summary: Interest exists in auto-configuration, but the first step is to get a firm grasp on IDR specific requirements. LSVR work is continuing in parallel. Charter should include: IDR general support requirement setting (Zero-touch, peer finding at L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration. Auto-configuration requirement setting should include requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF Yang module interaction. 3) BGP Security Summary: Concern exists regarding BGP security and the peering trust models emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion Charter: Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a part of IDR Charter. The BGP peerin 4) BGP-LS Summary: . IDR needs to guide the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth mechanisms. . Drafts specifying the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in combinational drafts, And just reviewed by IDR rather than having 2 drafts (LSR and BGP). New Work: Adopting new error handling ( RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, Review work: Aiding rapid review of specific new features by review Gray area: Where do we place specific new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key growth or features. Charter: Will differentiate between IDR new work and review/guidance of other WGs. 5) IDR as a non-Routing Transport (N-RIT) Summary: no significant discussion on the list. Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting Note: Alvaro Retana indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. Charter: No additions planned 6) E-BGP enhancements Summary: E-BGP topic received little discussion on the list. Traditionally E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic. There are two components to proposals: management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to create new BGP functions. IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of E-BGP and the allowed management specific protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. Charter: Chairs will ask WG if problem continuing the past methodology. Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP packets will be done in IDR. Any YANG models on the base BGP protocol or E-BGP enhancements. Anything proposals in the management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. 7) Flowspec Summary: Lengthy debates on RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with implementations, but no RFC. It is important to push current drafts out to completion. Charter: Rapid completion of existing drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter. 8) Next-Hop Encoding Summary: MPLS, BESS, SPRING and IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols. Since IDR is the key place to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop encoding work in all revisions of the protocol. It is also important to know if you can "trust" the Next-Hop sent or at what level you can trust. 9) RFC4271 revision Summary: As far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. The BGP specification effort of layering other documents on top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work. Is this correct? ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D5413E.CC6CD540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings: =

 

#6 E-BGP enhancements

 

Summary:  E-BGP topic received = little discussion on the list.   

 

Traditionally E-BGP = enhancements have been an IDR Topic.

         &= nbsp;      There are three components to = proposals:   management of the E-BGP, enhancements to E-BGP = best path selection, and

         &= nbsp;      new E-BGP based IP Services. =

 

         &= nbsp;      IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS = groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of = E-BGP and the

         &= nbsp;      allowed management specific = protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR.    IDR looks = at E-BGP best path and the

         &= nbsp;     BGP changes for new E-BGP based IP = Services.   BESS has been chartered to work on specifications = BGP IP Services. 

 

         &= nbsp;      Charter:  Chairs suggest = continuing this approach for E-BGP additions.

 

  =

Sue hares

 

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:04 AM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; = bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] IDR Re-Charter - Issues = for Charter

 

Greetings = all:

 

We had the following 9 charter issues that were sent = to the IDR list for consideration.   Below I’ve included = summaries of each of these issues, and ways these issues could be = included in the next IDR Charter.   Based on these issues, = John and I will propose Charter later today.  =  

 

Please let us know if you have issues with my summary = or if something else should be added.

 

One of the = charter items, Next-Hop Definitions will be discussed at BESS today = (15:20-16:50).    The BESS Chairs would like to have IDR = look at this topic during the next charter in conjunction with the BESS = usage/specification in EVPN and other VPNS.   =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

---------------------

 

1)      = Working on  IPSEC = tunnels and other enhancements to the tunnel encapsulation = work

 

    = Summary: draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt is ready for = publication. 

    There is = interest to continue to define other tunnel types.

     IDR should = continue to define the mechanisms, and

     aid other = groups in use case and application.

     As = draft-ietf-tunnel-encaps-13.txt states, Extended

     Community = tunnel encapsulation support should be

      transitio= n to the new attribute draft

 

     Charter should = include:  New tunnel encapsulation,  RFC5566 revision, aid to = review use cases for BESS

 

2)      = Auto-configuration =

 

Summary: Interest exists in = auto-configuration, but the first step

         &= nbsp;      is to get a firm grasp on IDR = specific requirements.

LSVR work is continuing in = parallel.

 

         &= nbsp;      Charter should include:  =  IDR general support requirement setting

         &= nbsp;      (Zero-touch, peer finding at = L2/L3/L4), and then Auto-configuration.

         &= nbsp;      Auto-configuration requirement = setting should include

         &= nbsp;      requirements for NETCONF/RESTCONF = Yang module interaction. =       

 

3)      = BGP Security =

Summary: =  Concern exists regarding BGP security and the

peering trust models = emerged in the BGP Next-Hop discussion

 

Charter: =  Understanding the isseus of BGP Security should continue to be a = part of IDR Charter.  The BGP peerin

 

4)      = BGP-LS

 

Summary: 

·         = IDR needs to guide = the general BGP-LS to determine error handling and growth = mechanisms. 

·         = Drafts specifying = the BGP-LS TLVs created by LSR (ISIS/OSPF) should be done in = combinational drafts,

And just reviewed by IDR rather than having = 2 drafts (LSR and BGP).

 

         &= nbsp;    New Work:  Adopting new error handling ( = RFC7752bis) and key new growth (Segment Routing (mpls and SRV6)) drafts, =

         &= nbsp;    Review work:  Aiding rapid review of = specific new features by review

         &= nbsp;    Gray area:  Where do we place specific = new features (policy in Segment routing, inter-domain BGP-LS) as key = growth or features.

 

         &= nbsp;     Charter: Will differentiate between = IDR new work and review/guidance of other WGs.

 

5)      = IDR as a non-Routing = Transport  (N-RIT)

 

Summary: no significant discussion on the = list.  Chairs will call for input on 7/24 Meeting

Note:  Alvaro Retana = indicated he would form a BOF if desired on this subject. =

 

Charter:  No additions planned =

 

6)      = E-BGP = enhancements

 

Summary:  E-BGP = topic received little discussion on the list.   Traditionally = E-BGP enhancements have been an IDR Topic.

         &= nbsp;      There are two components to = proposals:   management of the E-BGP and E-BGP enhancements to = create new BGP functions. 

         &= nbsp;      IDR has traditionally leaned on OPS = groups (Grow and others) to get the requirements for the management of = E-BGP and the

         &= nbsp;      allowed management specific = protocols (BMP) to be done outside of IDR. =     

 

Charter:  Chairs will ask WG if = problem continuing the past methodology.

  =   

Past methodology: Anything enhancing BGP = packets will be done in IDR.  Any YANG models on the base BGP = protocol or E-BGP enhancements.  Anything proposals in the = management of E-BGP will be coordinated with NM/OPS appropriate group. =

 

         &= nbsp;      

7)      = Flowspec =

 

Summary:  Lengthy debates on = RFC5575bis has left a number of flow-specification drafts with = implementations, but no

RFC.  It is important to push current = drafts out to completion.

 

         &= nbsp;     Charter: Rapid completion of existing = drafts and new flowspec drafts included in charter.

 

 

8)      = Next-Hop = Encoding

 

Summary:  MPLS, BESS, SPRING and = IDR are discussion Next-Hop encodings in the BGP protocols.  Since = IDR is the key place

to review BGP NextHop encodings, it is = important that IDR take an active stance in making sure the Next-Hop = encoding work in

all revisions of the protocol.   It = is also important to know if you can “trust” the Next-Hop = sent or at what level you can trust.

 

 

9)      = RFC4271 revision =

 

Summary:  As = far as I can tell, no one has called for a revision of RFC4271. =   The BGP specification effort of

layering other documents on = top of RFC4271 seems to continue to work.  Is this correct? =

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D5413E.CC6CD540-- From nobody Tue Jul 23 07:33:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1631202A5 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uqy3oevF6tm3 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FDCC120319 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=207.115.96.130; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Neil J. McRae'" , "'Job Snijders'" , Cc: References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> <20190722151151.GS33367@vurt.meerval.net> <04D143A8-FCFF-4FCD-A6FE-7446B1E86617@domino.org> In-Reply-To: <04D143A8-FCFF-4FCD-A6FE-7446B1E86617@domino.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <007201d54163$8b404370$a1c0ca50$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIdg7HoWEJ9E9Q2QbmV0ImeCpD95AGXQrsVAVHrUzGmMHLnsA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190723-0, 07/23/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:33:32 -0000 Neil: On 1 + 2: NM/OPS groups such as GROW have more expertise to decide = requirements regarding E-BGP maximum prefixes and appropriate actions. = IDR will be glad to review proposed requirements, appropriate action and = any proposals on BGP changes. =20 On 3, proposals on sending key contact info over BGP have been proposed = for 15 years. People in operations have stated: "Please do not put = this information in". Other operations have stated - "Please put = contact info" so I can survive outages without looking up phone numbers. = Unless there are clear operational requirements, IDR working on = protocol changes will end up in the same debates. So we will look to = NM/OPS WGs to provide better requirements.=20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: Neil J. McRae [mailto:neil@domino.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 AM To: Job Snijders; Susan Hares; jared@puck.nether.net Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion I think 1+2 have some merit but 3 is not managing routing at a human = level and shouldn't be here. IMO =EF=BB=BF On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010.=20 >=20 > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter:=20 >=20 > Somethings we might include are: It may be good to consider some operations and management functions to = be specced out in IDR. >From the operational side of the house I recall a few long-standing wishes: - ability to see which prefixes are accepted/rejected by the EBGP neighbor - ability to see the maximum prefix limits configured by the EBGP neighbor - ability to relay some contact / circuit details over an EBGP session to facilitate inter-organization coordination All of the above can be accomplished in non-realtime through out-of-band = mechanisms like e-mail and phone; but this type of out-of-band channels = often are error-prone. I think we would benefit from actively shifting some of this OAM from = out-of-band into the BGP protocol itself so less coordination is needed = between autonomous system operators. I am not sure how to exactly word a high level milestone suitable for = the charter. "Add more OAM"? "Add more operational debugging = capabilities"?=20 Kind regards, Job _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jul 23 12:32:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF04120382 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id reeJADenEsAw for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 730D71202CF for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 162) id E11155401AF; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:32:07 -0400 From: Jared Mauch To: Susan Hares Cc: "'Neil J. McRae'" , 'Job Snijders' , jared@puck.nether.net, idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190723193207.GB16221@puck.nether.net> References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> <20190722151151.GS33367@vurt.meerval.net> <04D143A8-FCFF-4FCD-A6FE-7446B1E86617@domino.org> <007201d54163$8b404370$a1c0ca50$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <007201d54163$8b404370$a1c0ca50$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:32:11 -0000 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:33:05AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > Neil: > > On 1 + 2: NM/OPS groups such as GROW have more expertise to decide requirements regarding E-BGP maximum prefixes and appropriate actions. IDR will be glad to review proposed requirements, appropriate action and any proposals on BGP changes. I have partial XML for something doing this but think as it's a protcol extension it will end up in IDR vs GROW. I'll try to finish getting the text done and send it to both lists. If you want a private copy to help make sense of it - ping me off-list. think route-refresh type message that provides info on-demand. - jared > On 3, proposals on sending key contact info over BGP have been proposed for 15 years. People in operations have stated: "Please do not put this information in". Other operations have stated - "Please put contact info" so I can survive outages without looking up phone numbers. Unless there are clear operational requirements, IDR working on protocol changes will end up in the same debates. So we will look to NM/OPS WGs to provide better requirements. > > Sue > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil J. McRae [mailto:neil@domino.org] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 AM > To: Job Snijders; Susan Hares; jared@puck.nether.net > Cc: idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion > > I think 1+2 have some merit but 3 is not managing routing at a human level and shouldn't be here. IMO > >  > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010. > > > > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter: > > > > Somethings we might include are: > > It may be good to consider some operations and management functions to be specced out in IDR. > > >From the operational side of the house I recall a few long-standing > wishes: > > - ability to see which prefixes are accepted/rejected by the > EBGP neighbor > - ability to see the maximum prefix limits configured by the > EBGP neighbor > - ability to relay some contact / circuit details over an EBGP > session to facilitate inter-organization coordination > > All of the above can be accomplished in non-realtime through out-of-band mechanisms like e-mail and phone; but this type of out-of-band channels often are error-prone. > > I think we would benefit from actively shifting some of this OAM from out-of-band into the BGP protocol itself so less coordination is needed between autonomous system operators. > > I am not sure how to exactly word a high level milestone suitable for the charter. "Add more OAM"? "Add more operational debugging capabilities"? > > Kind regards, > > Job > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. 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[31.133.152.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z4sm23768287vkg.0.2019.07.23.12.36.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vurt.meerval.net [local]) by vurt.meerval.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id c663cf65; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:36:43 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190723193643.GB81521@vurt.meerval.net> References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:36:56 -0000 Dear Susan, Perhaps "clean-up of some old things" can be added to the charter. As an example, I think a draft like this should go through the WG towards publication: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumari-deprecate-as-set-confed-set Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010. > > > > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter: > > > > Somethings we might include are: > > .. BGP Yang modules, > > .. A general BGP Layer 3 auto-configuration or liveness, > > .. Additional tunnel features for a optional tunnel encapsulation (a > follow-on to draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps), > > .. Upgrade of the base BGP specification to Full Standard, > > .. Flow specification additions, > > .. BGP-LS basic functions (e.g. > > draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00) error handling > > .. Segment routing additions to BGP, > > .. Wide Communities and other "bigger" communities , > > .. Revisions to Existing features. > > > > > > Things which will be removed because we are done: > > .. Support for 4-octet AS numbers, > > .. Add path related additions, > > .. Error handling rules for BGP in general, > > .. Revisions to the BGP 'Minimum Route Advertisement Interval', > > .. The definition of an "Accumulated IGP Metric". > > > > In 2010, IDR started an advancement of BGP to full standard, but stopped. > > WG members indicated they wanted us to focus on the feature revisions. > > > > Is there anything we missed? > > > > Please use this thread to suggest things we should keep or drop in the > charter. > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jul 23 12:38:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD6A1202CF for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2eabwQCtEaUc for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B56312029C for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 162) id CF4EB5401B8; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:38:16 -0400 From: Jared Mauch To: Job Snijders Cc: Susan Hares , idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190723193816.GD16221@puck.nether.net> References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> <20190723193643.GB81521@vurt.meerval.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190723193643.GB81521@vurt.meerval.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:38:20 -0000 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 07:36:43PM +0000, Job Snijders wrote: > Dear Susan, > > Perhaps "clean-up of some old things" can be added to the charter. > > As an example, I think a draft like this should go through the WG > towards publication: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumari-deprecate-as-set-confed-set I would like to see that work proceed. - jared > > Kind regards, > > Job > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010. > > > > > > > > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter: > > > > > > > > Somethings we might include are: > > > > .. BGP Yang modules, > > > > .. A general BGP Layer 3 auto-configuration or liveness, > > > > .. Additional tunnel features for a optional tunnel encapsulation (a > > follow-on to draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps), > > > > .. Upgrade of the base BGP specification to Full Standard, > > > > .. Flow specification additions, > > > > .. BGP-LS basic functions (e.g. > > > > draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00) error handling > > > > .. Segment routing additions to BGP, > > > > .. Wide Communities and other "bigger" communities , > > > > .. Revisions to Existing features. > > > > > > > > > > > > Things which will be removed because we are done: > > > > .. Support for 4-octet AS numbers, > > > > .. Add path related additions, > > > > .. Error handling rules for BGP in general, > > > > .. Revisions to the BGP 'Minimum Route Advertisement Interval', > > > > .. The definition of an "Accumulated IGP Metric". > > > > > > > > In 2010, IDR started an advancement of BGP to full standard, but stopped. > > > > WG members indicated they wanted us to focus on the feature revisions. > > > > > > > > Is there anything we missed? > > > > > > > > Please use this thread to suggest things we should keep or drop in the > > charter. > > > > > > > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. From nobody Tue Jul 23 13:23:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C24412099C; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwepIroykwDP; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12543120910; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=207.115.96.130; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301d54194$6141b8c0$23c52a40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D54172.DA34ACA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVBlBVPmqyCQRLaSDWo/DgI+5kxFg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190723-2, 07/23/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] backward compatibility issues - draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:22:58 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D54172.DA34ACA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bess Chair (Matthew and Stephane) If we are going forward to the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute, we need to consider whether we should send to RFC new work with the Encapsulation Extended Community. Otherwise, we are locked into the functionality of the Encapsulation Extended Community at the "bare bones" mechanisms. Specifications with widely deployed Encapsulation Extended community Functionality are one case. New Specifications just being adopted to the BGP community are a second case. My point at the Microphone was to find out what case the draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve gives. Sue Hares ----------------------- raft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13#page-21 The Encapsulation Extended Community was first defined in [RFC5512 ]. While it provides only a small subset of the functionality of the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute, it is used in a number of deployed applications, and is still needed for backwards compatibility. To ensure backwards compatibility, this specification establishes the following rules: 1. If the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute of a given route contains a barebones Tunnel TLV identifying a particular tunnel type, an Encapsulation Extended Community identifying the same tunnel type SHOULD be attached to the route. 2. If the Encapsulation Extended Community identifying a particular tunnel type is attached to a given route, the corresponding barebones Tunnel TLV MAY be omitted from the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute. 3. Suppose a particular route has both (a) an Encapsulation Extended Community specifying a particular tunnel type, and (b) a Tunnel Encapsulation attribute with a barebones Tunnel TLV specifying that same tunnel type. Both (a) and (b) MUST be interpreted as denoting the same tunnel. If we are going forward to the attribute, we need to consider ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D54172.DA34ACA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bess Chair (Matthew and Stephane) =

 

If we are = going forward to the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute, we need to consider =

whether we should send to RFC new = work with the Encapsulation Extended Community.

 

Otherwise, we are locked into the = functionality of the

Encapsulation Extended Community at = the “bare bones” mechanisms.

 

Specifications with widely deployed = Encapsulation Extended community

Functionality are one case. 

 

New Specifications just being = adopted to the BGP community are a

second = case.   My point at the Microphone was to find out = what

case the =
draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve gives. =

 
Sue Hares

 

 
 
-----------------------
 
 
raft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13#page-21
 
   The Encapsulation Extended Community =
was first defined in [RFC5512].
   While it provides only a small subset =
of the functionality of the
   Tunnel Encapsulation attribute, it is =
used in a number of deployed
   applications, and is still needed for =
backwards compatibility.  To
   ensure backwards compatibility, this =
specification establishes the
   following =
rules:
 
   1.  If the Tunnel Encapsulation =
attribute of a given route contains a
       barebones =
Tunnel TLV identifying a particular tunnel type, =
an
       Encapsulation =
Extended Community identifying the same tunnel =
type
       SHOULD be =
attached to the route.
 
   2.  If the Encapsulation =
Extended Community identifying a =
particular
       tunnel type =
is attached to a given route, the =
corresponding
       barebones =
Tunnel TLV MAY be omitted from the Tunnel =
Encapsulation
       =
attribute.
 
   3.  Suppose a particular route =
has both (a) an Encapsulation Extended
       Community =
specifying a particular tunnel type, and (b) a =
Tunnel
       Encapsulation =
attribute with a barebones Tunnel TLV =
specifying
       that same =
tunnel type.  Both (a) and (b) MUST be interpreted =
as
       denoting the =
same tunnel.

 

If we are = going forward to the attribute, we need to consider =

------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01D54172.DA34ACA0-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 04:47:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5A1200D5 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 04:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P68aalkR8BIK for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 04:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9818212002E for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 04:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:47:45 -0400 Message-ID: <014401d54215$9c8c6250$d5a526f0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0145_01D541F4.157D3350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVCFUV2A0iBFxB2QCWvxGIQLZJaIg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190724-0, 07/24/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] IDR Session today (Wed 7/24) - No charter discussion. X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:47:54 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01D541F4.157D3350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings IDR: The charter discussion will not occur today, but on Friday. John and I would like to have time for additional feedback on items you desire in the upcoming 1-3 years. The next IDR charter could be written with a more open-ended approach. If this happens, the feedback you provide will still help guide John and I's approach for the next few years, Due this removal of this item, we may have 10 minutes for one presentation to move from Friday until today. Please send a note to Jie Dong (IDR secretary) if you wish to have that slot. Cheers, Sue ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01D541F4.157D3350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = IDR:

 

The charter discussion will not occur today, but on = Friday.    John and I would like to have time for = additional feedback on items you desire in the upcoming 1-3 years.  =   The next IDR charter could be written with a more open-ended = approach.   If this happens, the feedback you provide will = still help guide John and I’s approach for the next few years, =

 

Due this removal of this item, we may have 10 = minutes for one presentation to move from Friday until today.  =  Please send a note to Jie Dong (IDR secretary) if you wish to have = that slot.

 

Cheers,  Sue

 

------=_NextPart_000_0145_01D541F4.157D3350-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 08:39:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679BB1202AE; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:39:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oMKKK_cPMR74; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [193.110.157.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A72D120386; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45tzzk13NLzDK8; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:39:30 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1563982770; bh=MfvO0d4ysyg3eacVguzoPFEu2k0xLSc18gXbAu8le0c=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=MgdG6c+p//vG4xHWKKU41bdwLUy1irC4IY5+nuuSH/ecbzEWiDyOYUcAS6kFjcORj K1AKez8r5+i0JwiAtLRaNhHsS2eK1Cq2c+T4JZYEM1asOH1MhAbsqwVZyQC1pVhqqH vXfHRkxnX89/veZ87diaQZAwRaG0GaApmKoHuBTw= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GnH26DSaDZur; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:39:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [76.10.157.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:39:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DAFAB353F94; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bofh.nohats.ca DAFAB353F94 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA6E40A6FFE; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: idr@ietf.org cc: "ipsec@ietf.org WG" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Review of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:39:35 -0000 Hi, Note that I am an IPsec person and not a routing expert. The document's idea looks fine to me. It is using BGP messages to provision IKEv2 so that IPsec tunnels can be setup to protect packets as best as possible. That's great :) And unlike most proposals the IPsec WG sees, this document does not try to replace IKEv2 with its own smarter Key Exchange protocol, so that's a double plus :) Thanks for reaching out to the ipsec WG, we really appreciate the chance to read drafts that use IPsec to give advise. Below are some of my comments and questions I have: - Configuring large number of tunnels is error prone and not scalable * Only true to some extend * See AutoVPN, DMVPM, NHRP+IKE * Still, this provisioning system seems to fit your eco system. It's as simple as it can be and does not seem to introduce any new complexity or risks. - What is "color"? - Section 3, step 4: When a router need to forward a packet along a path is determined by a BGP UPDATE which has a tunnel encapsulation attribute that contains one or more IPsec TLV, and router decides use IPsec based on local policy, Required vs Optional IPsec issue. If only one end has "required" and the other end has "optional" then unencrypted packets will be dropped. Seeing IPsec tunnel TLV should probably mean it is mandatory to setup a tunnel? It can be done as "optional" but then the IPsec/kernel mechanisms cannot trigger an IKE/IPsec negotiation and this protocol needs to be responsible for not just configuring IKEv2/IPsec but also for bringing up the tunnels when needed. - Section 3, step 6: - signaling IPsec configuration Call it IPsec provisioning ? - Examples are using less prefered and slower algorithms * Change AES-CBC-256 with SHA-384. to AES-GCM-256 or CHACHA20_POLY1305 * Change NULL-SHA256 to NULL-AES-GMAC - 1/128 and 2/128 ? For 1/128 (VPN-IPv4 Labeled Unicast), 2/128 (VPN-IPv6 Labeled Unicast), these NLRI has embedded label, which cause the payload packet can't be encapsulated in ESP packet, I don't understand why 1/128 or 2/128 are special ? Open questions: - If the IKEv2 protocol fails, what happens with packets? Release in clear or drop? Is this something the BGP should configure/provision ? If not, it should state which of the two is expected - If a router R1 and R2 have an ipsec tunnel for some traffic, and R1 crashes/reboots, how do things recover? R2 will send packets and might not know something is wrong, unless it is configured for liveness. What happens when R1 comes back up? If all BGP routes are taken away via another mechanism, then I guess R2 would simply delete its tunnel. - Performance: if routes are large (eg 0/128) then very few tunnels would cover lots of routes. In general, having more parallel smaller CHILD SA's outperforms a single or two CHILD SA's by far. This could introduce performance issues. - Some IPsec options not mentioned could prevent a tunnel from being setup, such as whether to use Extended Sequence Numbers (ESN), or Perfect Forward Secrecry (PFS). Some of these could be locked down in the document (PFS=yes) but things like ESN really depend on the bandwidth of the tunnel. - Maybe some advise on replay-window size would be good. Larger is better but takes more memory. Matters mostly for highspeed links. Paul From nobody Wed Jul 24 12:16:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E6C120417 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1Npemi88UZk for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84B98120409 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by opfedar22.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45v4nv1s2Zz2y73; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:16:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.38]) by opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45v4nv10ZJzCql1; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:16:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b846:2467:1591:5d9d]) by OPEXCAUBM5C.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:16:19 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares CC: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion Thread-Index: AQHVQY30TmZGa5zL2USiVhafQEmZkabaJFzA Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:16:18 +0000 Message-ID: <31830_1563995779_5D38AE83_31830_59_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48BB75A8@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <022b01d51fc5$d6576dd0$83064970$@ndzh.com> <20190723193643.GB81521@vurt.meerval.net> In-Reply-To: <20190723193643.GB81521@vurt.meerval.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:16:24 -0000 Dear Susan, May be adding "BGP persistence", (possibly depending on whether we believe the charter will be updated befor= e or after we send this draft to IESG) possibly under the umbrella "Improving BGP resiliency" which IMHO may be a = general subject which should be of interest. Kind regards, --Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Job Snijders Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 3:37 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion Dear Susan, Perhaps "clean-up of some old things" can be added to the charter.=20 As an example, I think a draft like this should go through the WG towards publication: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumari-deprecate-as-= set-confed-set Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter:=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Somethings we might include are: >=20 > .. BGP Yang modules,=20 >=20 > .. A general BGP Layer 3 auto-configuration or liveness,=20 >=20 > .. Additional tunnel features for a optional tunnel encapsulatio= n (a > follow-on to draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps),=20 >=20 > .. Upgrade of the base BGP specification to Full Standard,=20 >=20 > .. Flow specification additions,=20 >=20 > .. BGP-LS basic functions (e.g. > > draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00) error handling >=20 > .. Segment routing additions to BGP,=20 >=20 > .. Wide Communities and other "bigger" communities ,=20 >=20 > .. Revisions to Existing features.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Things which will be removed because we are done:=20 >=20 > .. Support for 4-octet AS numbers,=20 >=20 > .. Add path related additions,=20 >=20 > .. Error handling rules for BGP in general,=20 >=20 > .. Revisions to the BGP 'Minimum Route Advertisement Interval',= =20 >=20 > .. The definition of an "Accumulated IGP Metric". >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > In 2010, IDR started an advancement of BGP to full standard, but stopped.= =20 >=20 > WG members indicated they wanted us to focus on the feature revisions.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Is there anything we missed?=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Please use this thread to suggest things we should keep or drop in the > charter.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Cheerily, Susan Hares >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks, Jim Uttaro -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:16 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion Dear Susan, May be adding "BGP persistence", (possibly depending on whether we believe the charter will be updated befor= e or after we send this draft to IESG) possibly under the umbrella "Improving BGP resiliency" which IMHO may be a = general subject which should be of interest. Kind regards, --Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Job Snijders Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 3:37 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR Charter discussion Dear Susan, Perhaps "clean-up of some old things" can be added to the charter.=20 As an example, I think a draft like this should go through the WG towards publication: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A_= _tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dkumari-2Ddeprecate-2Das-2Dset-2Dconfed-2Dset&d= =3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&m=3DAYAzJIW= AdfG6oJV_HANFmeQx9Us3rQHhwPYg-qhD3Gk&s=3DwxwU9vgPykqi78ct7aDclyjClHviwN60zG= kgICp4wdQ&e=3D Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:51:03PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR Charter was last revised in March, 2010.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > It's time to reconsider what needs to go in the charter:=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Somethings we might include are: >=20 > .. BGP Yang modules,=20 >=20 > .. A general BGP Layer 3 auto-configuration or liveness,=20 >=20 > .. Additional tunnel features for a optional tunnel encapsulatio= n (a > follow-on to draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps),=20 >=20 > .. Upgrade of the base BGP specification to Full Standard,=20 >=20 > .. Flow specification additions,=20 >=20 > .. BGP-LS basic functions (e.g. > > draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00) error handling >=20 > .. Segment routing additions to BGP,=20 >=20 > .. Wide Communities and other "bigger" communities ,=20 >=20 > .. Revisions to Existing features.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Things which will be removed because we are done:=20 >=20 > .. Support for 4-octet AS numbers,=20 >=20 > .. Add path related additions,=20 >=20 > .. Error handling rules for BGP in general,=20 >=20 > .. Revisions to the BGP 'Minimum Route Advertisement Interval',=20 >=20 > .. The definition of an "Accumulated IGP Metric". >=20 > =20 >=20 > In 2010, IDR started an advancement of BGP to full standard, but stopped.= =20 >=20 > WG members indicated they wanted us to focus on the feature revisions.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Is there anything we missed?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please use this thread to suggest things we should keep or drop in the > charter.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheerily, Susan Hares >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm= an_listinfo_idr&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx= 5Gy8Q&m=3DAYAzJIWAdfG6oJV_HANFmeQx9Us3rQHhwPYg-qhD3Gk&s=3DJf_H1hSTcqGjf15nR= iqNQt11ibvDliWiRymQ3jPRE8Q&e=3D _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_idr&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5G= y8Q&m=3DAYAzJIWAdfG6oJV_HANFmeQx9Us3rQHhwPYg-qhD3Gk&s=3DJf_H1hSTcqGjf15nRiq= NQt11ibvDliWiRymQ3jPRE8Q&e=3D ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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At the mic I had the following questions/comments: - IPsecGW's vs Routes Depending on the amount of IPsec hosts versus the amount of routes (aka IPsec SA's), there are two different models that might apply better. 1) A host to host IPsec connection in transport mode, using GRE or similar to add/remote routes without needing to update IPsec state 2) A host to host IPsec connection un tunnel mode, which a single IPsec SA per route object. There are likely scenarios where either one will perform better. - Optional vs Mandatory My question was whether an indication for IPsec is a commitment to require it or a suggestion to use it. That will cause some implementation differences. For example, kernel ACQUIRES can only be generated when the policy is mandatory - that is plaintext packets will be dropped until an IPsec tunnel is up. - MTU issues By adding another layer of encapsulation with IPsec, the MTU is slightly reduced. I did not find text about this in the drafts. Should the administrator or implementation do something to counter the slightly smaller usable MTU or is it expected that each flow handles this itself in the normal path mtu discovery? - Round Trip Time One can setup a childless IKEv2 SA (two roundtrips) between hosts in anticipation of routes. Then the first route that would need an IPsec tunnel only requires one roundtrip instead of two round trips. This might not matter at the scale things happen, but often in a mesh of nodes doing crypto, the majority of nodes do not talk to each other and this work might be overkill for theoretical saving of 1 RTT upon route object change. - Multicast IPsec While it was supported in IKEv1 (which you should not use), work for this is still in progress for IKEv2. If you need this support, it would be good to let the authors of draft-yeung-g-ikev2 know that they have some new potential customers and please proceed with the work. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yeung-g-ikev2-16 - Session resumption I'm not sure if this can be applicable but using session resumption instead of deleting and starting from scratch for a new IKE SA would save precious CPU time. - Tunnel inactivity Please do not start using liveness/DPD at the once per second time frame. There are other methods to detect tunnel inactivity, such as using a PFKEY/NETLINK API call that installs a soft-idle timer within the kernel. Please note I'm not on this list. If you wish to get my attention, feel free to CC: to messages to the idr list. Paul From nobody Thu Jul 25 12:46:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFC1201CE; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nC6MqkMHD_cq; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A8D01201C6; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: , , Cc: , References: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <015901d535ae$874b7a70$95e26f50$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01d54321$a17a3460$e46e9d20$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01D54300.1A69A5D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ7vfLYnE5Tr/a+rggxBXPjOqPzTaWOw7QQ Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:46:24 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01D54300.1A69A5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IDR The draft-ietf-idr-capabilities has reach a moderate working group consensus and it will be sent to the IESG for publication. I want to thank the people who responded to my plea for additional response from IDR (see below). This an important registry change. For those who would like to send additional comments (support/no support), please continue to send these comments. Alvaro and the IESG read these lists to see how strong the consensus is on documents. Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 1:00 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to 7/15) Greetings: The email list support for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expected. Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due to this idea "just making sense". Since one of the WG chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support. Please send in comments or just a comment for "support" or "no support" for this draft. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] This begins a 2 week IDR WG Last Call (LC) on ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt. The document is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change / As registration document, there is no implementation report. Please indicate in comments to the IDR "support" or "no support" for WG LC. Consider: 1) Does this change to registration procedures for BGP capability codes help speed up processing? 2) Is there any technical or operational issue in making this change? 3) Do we need to pass this to the IESG at the same time as any GROW document? John Scudder is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft. 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IDR

 

The = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities has reach a moderate working group consensus = and it will be sent to the IESG for publication. =

 

I want to thank the = people who responded to my plea for additional response from IDR (see = below).  This an important registry change.    For = those who would like to send additional comments (support/no support), = please continue to send these comments. 

 

Alvaro and the IESG read = these lists to see how strong the consensus is on documents. =

 

Sue Hares =

 

=

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 1:00 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to = 6/16/2019] - extending this for a 3rd week (7/8 to = 7/15)

 

Greetings:

 

The email list support = for this draft did not receive as many comments as I expected. =   Perhaps, this lack of comments was due to vacations or due = to this idea “just making sense”.  =

 

Since one of the WG = chairs is an author, I do need a strong sense of support.  Please = send in comments or just a comment for “support” or = “no support” for this draft.

 

Cheerily, Susan = Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:33 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt - WG LC []6/9/2019 to = 6/16/2019]

 

This begins = a 2 week IDR  WG Last Call (LC) on = ft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt.  

 

The document = is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilitie= s-registry-change/

 

As = registration document, there is no implementation report.  =

 

Please indicate in comments to the IDR = “support” or “no support” for WG LC. =

Consider:

 

1)      = Does this change to = registration procedures for BGP capability codes help speed up = processing?

2)      = Is there any technical or = operational issue in making this change?

3)      = Do we need to pass this = to the IESG at the same time as any GROW document?

 

John Scudder = is an author so I am the shepherd/chair on this draft.  =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CA_01D54304.F9974BF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQF9xyWyORt740Jak8iuJC4zx0K1faeKvkjA Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:21:23 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01D54304.F9974BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert:=20 =20 To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is. =20 =20 As a WG chair, I have to trust that all drafts are improved during the = WG process. Can this small change be made after adoption or should it = be made before the draft is considered for adoption.=20 =20 Sue Hares =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Albert Fu = (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK) Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode =20 I am in support of this draft, and would like to request a small change = to make this draft more operationally useful. We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production = network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict = BFD mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while. =20 Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, = ie. break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface = hold-time/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps.=20 We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would = like to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to = delay BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a = period of time (i.e. BFD hold up feature).=20 This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor = deployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have = some links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable = continuously for 60 seconds. Thanks Albert Fu Bloomberg =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01D54304.F9974BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Albert:

 

To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is.=C2=A0 =

 

As a WG chair, I have to trust that all =C2=A0drafts are improved = during the WG process.=C2=A0 Can this small change be made after = adoption or should it be made before the draft is considered for = adoption.

 

Sue Hares

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Albert Fu = (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 = PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] = draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

 

I am in support of this = draft, and would like to request a small change to make this draft more = operationally useful.

We have encountered several traffic = blackhole problems in our production network without this feature. As = such, we have deployed BGP with strict BFD mode on a proprietary vendor = implementation for a while.
 
Since a lot of MetroE circuit = failures occur with interfaces still up, ie. break in the middle issues, = the traditional knobs like interface hold-time/debounce timer can not be = used to dampen interface flaps. 


We have observed = that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would like to request = that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to delay BGP = from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a period of = time (i.e. BFD hold up = feature). 


This is a feature = that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor deployment. In our = case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have some links where = we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable continuously for = 60 seconds.

Thanks
Albert = Fu
Bloomberg

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The change I am suggesting is very minor - we can follow it up after adoption. Thank you. On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:21 PM Susan Hares wrote: > Albert: > > > > To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is. > > > > As a WG chair, I have to trust that all drafts are improved during the WG > process. Can this small change be made after adoption or should it be made > before the draft is considered for adoption. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Albert Fu > (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK) > *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > I am in support of this draft, and would like to request a small change to > make this draft more operationally useful. > > We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production > network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict BFD > mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while. > > Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie. > break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface > hold-time/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps. > > > We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would > like to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to delay > BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a period of > time (i.e. BFD hold up feature). > > > This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor > deployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have > some links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable > continuously for 60 seconds. > > Thanks > Albert Fu > Bloomberg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000ed0fca058e873693 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Susan,

Yes, I support the draft as is.=C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"auto">The change I am suggesting is very minor - we can follow i= t up after adoption.

Tha= nk you.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:21 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Albert:

=C2=A0

To clarify, do you support WG adoption with t= he draft as is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

As a WG chair, I have to trust that all =C2=A0d= rafts are improved during the WG process.=C2=A0 Can this small change be ma= de after adoption or should it be made before the draft is considered for a= doption.

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

From: Idr [mailto:<= a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"= >idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PA= RK)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM
To: idr@ietf.org<= /a>
Subject: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

=

I am in support of this draft, and would like to= request a small change to make this draft more operationally useful.
We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production = network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict BFD= mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while.
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Sinc= e a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie. brea= k in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface hold-time/debo= unce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps.=C2=A0


We have observed that interfa= ce issues tend to occur in bursts and would like to request that an option = be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to delay BGP from coming up un= til BFD is proven stable continuously for a period of time (i.e. BFD hold u= p feature).=C2=A0


This is a feature that we are currently = using in the proprietary vendor deployment. In our case, since we have mult= iple redundant paths, we have some links where we delay BGP from coming up = until BFD has been stable continuously for 60 seconds.

Thanks
Alb= ert Fu
Bloomberg

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25 Jul 2019 20:33:51 -0000 --5d3a1229_5451cf49_12dc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sue, I support progress of this draft, it addresses real problem. On Redback side of things we have implemented this around 2013, logic (pr= oprietary) kept in B=46D=C2=A0indeed, so +1 Ketan. I=E2=80=99d document i= t as an informal feature, that is recommended (same for YANG) Cheers, Jeff On Jul 25, 2019, 4:27 PM -0400, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) , wrote: > Hi Albert, > > Thanks for your feedback from an operator perspective =E2=80=93 it is v= aluable. This =E2=80=9CB=46D hold up=E2=80=9D behaviour that you desire i= s best handled by B=46D since I would expect that similar behaviour would= be desired across routing protocols (OSP=46, ISIS, BGP) and perhaps othe= r clients. > > IMHO this is not something that we should be tackling within the scope = of this BGP draft. Would you agree=3F > > That said, this seems like a local implementation aspect to me. We shou= ld however discuss within the B=46D WG if there is value in documenting t= his. > > Thanks, > Ketan > > =46rom: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares > Sent: 25 July 2019 16:21 > To: 'Albert =46u' ; idr=40ietf.org > Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > Albert: > > To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is. > > As a WG chair, I have to trust that all =C2=A0drafts are improved durin= g the WG process.=C2=A0 Can this small change be made after adoption or s= hould it be made before the draft is considered for adoption. > > Sue Hares > > =46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Albert =46= u (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK) > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM > To: idr=40ietf.org > Subject: =5BIdr=5D draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > I am in support of this draft, and would like to request a small change= to make this draft more operationally useful. > > We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our productio= n network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict= B=46D mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while. > > Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, = ie. break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface hold= -time/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps. > > We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and woul= d like to request that an option be added in =22Section 4 Operation:=22 t= o delay BGP from coming up until B=46D is proven stable continuously for = a period of time (i.e. B=46D hold up feature). > > This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor= deployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have= some links where we delay BGP from coming up until B=46D has been stable= continuously for 60 seconds. > > Thanks > Albert =46u > Bloomberg > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Lsr mailing list > Lsr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --5d3a1229_5451cf49_12dc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Sue,

I support progress of this draft, it addresses real= problem.&=23160;
On Redback side of things we have implemented this = around 2013, logic (proprietary) kept in B=46D&=23160;indeed, so +1 Ketan. I=E2=80=99d do= cument it as an informal feature, that is recommended (same for YANG) &=23= 160;

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 25, 2019, 4:27 PM -0400, Ket= an Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=40cisco.com>, wrote:

Hi Albert,

&=23160;

Thanks for your feedback from= an operator perspective =E2=80=93 it is valuable. This =E2=80=9CB=46D ho= ld up=E2=80=9D behaviour that you desire is best handled by B=46D since I= would expect that similar behaviour would be desired across routing prot= ocols (OSP=46, ISIS, BGP) and perhaps other clients.

&=23160;

IMHO this is not something th= at we should be tackling within the scope of this BGP draft. Would you ag= ree=3F

&=23160;

That said, this seems like a = local implementation aspect to me. We should however discuss within the B= =46D WG if there is value in documenting this.

&=23160;

Thanks,

Ketan

&=23160;

=46rom: Idr <idr-bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
= Sent: 25 July 2019 16:21
To: 'Albert =46u' <afu14=40bloomberg.net>; idr=40ietf.org Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

&=23160;

Albert:

&=23160;

To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draf= t as is.&=23160;

&=23160;

As a WG chair, I have to trust that all &=23160;draf= ts are improved during the WG process.&=23160; Can this small change be m= ade after adoption or should it be made before the draft is considered fo= r adoption.

&=23160;

Sue Hares

&=23160;

=46rom: I= dr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40= ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Albert =46u (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM
To: idr=40ietf.org
= Subject: =5BIdr=5D draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

&=23160;

I am in sup= port of this draft, and would like to request a small change to make this= draft more operationally useful.

We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production = network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict B= =46D mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while.
&=23160;
Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie= . break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface hold-t= ime/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps.&=23160;


We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would = like to request that an option be added in =22Section 4 Operation:=22 to = delay BGP from coming up until B=46D is proven stable continuously for a = period of time (i.e. B=46D hold up feature).&=23160;


This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor d= eployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have s= ome links where we delay BGP from coming up until B=46D has been stable c= ontinuously for 60 seconds.

Thanks
Albert =46u
Bloomberg

&=23160;

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--5d3a1229_5451cf49_12dc6-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:13:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD5A1201F1; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlnAIqh5j--Y; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vs1-xe32.google.com (mail-vs1-xe32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1D0E1201DB; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vs1-xe32.google.com with SMTP id m23so34699198vso.1; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XOMDS7MH03legfjAn3UrK2CZXjfWfSJ7fghg9ao3d/Q=; b=QWRVnq84T6pQ/lJ0Mq6gGwM8rd73sQZrTiD8B9cS4IesCLT2iajKM6Mv/TN3bToKTr S0D5xq9M4zQNN1Kg8+ax5jUKP2cBLPBq8XYi5L3VL1nv65TaQgqu6h68mAsEkGEjAMeP z+2yTTfhreFLGbbA/75gEFY+imk9Bl6xSySvr/hAhWd0t25jGnE1XodlBmwZeczDtMkG N+8AP4lHsY004FemtX34+KfiHHba21EXUc6v/LdhGVDBxIeJlgdEUM82Xo8KwxoRcxty 1c59MKC4moU7tkbxMkDLSIWBwzUOgo8XCOqyKmJd+G+Y/2U2X/SYZF5jKTuXthypwmEX iucw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XOMDS7MH03legfjAn3UrK2CZXjfWfSJ7fghg9ao3d/Q=; b=GL5Z3iZ4vK5rJ3to+KMLmjCypBX0GH0GqBvIucsH5wngxk0ldnt+nDBgruT/cZlT/E /Def+Njjwv2SJZnhIHG/B+fyTajsSvijRy1BqxD9lfQPrDckniXb3jai5vWRIDogkv15 5aVFzYsCJ1KaO2Sy84uyk6/3+WNM25xAaaSErABvVnF2vh/Nu+/IzTp264VmNZJXFHle wRc6BQbvP3LVIhTJobZNisI52RGs6Bj/IsDhdlinQo6AZ0EhqUxqkgWfD4IYVYPWA8uK 91uGy0dcLeNCb42+0asL9iTHJ44AQO8lJpb54aWycikugTSTPhAEJ+iMzumskHGrWhi1 9vQg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVK/gHfnZ2HCJjNT6Zt8wvAkNCdX6dFel1x9tfmRqC4EY4R6a9g 9NM7WGg0lXcvD6Kz+9AI03zhnE9il+k8u7cksg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwKCJM09W4c7kHaMqsC3J+eqFVSpodwYRobOahB2eGVKrsSVDDfQkNuYcWwXiOOTzr15lxkgwXCTk0b+Ip4S8A= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f281:: with SMTP id m1mr10877224vsk.184.1564089218593; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:13:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5D3A0EB4029103460087056A_0_2148724@msclnypmsgsv03> <01c901d54326$80a67af0$81f370d0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: From: Albert F Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: Susan Hares , Albert Bloomberg , "idr@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004578cc058e87e62c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:13:42 -0000 --0000000000004578cc058e87e62c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ketan, I think it will be good to mention this in the doc, as I expect most large networks concerned with network stability impacted by link flaps to enable the BFD hold-up feature. For example, if one side has BFD hold-up enabled (> BGP hold time) and the other side does not, the BGP keepalive message from one side may be delayed even if BFD is up. This may have implication on the BGP session transitiining to established phase. Thanks Albert On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:27 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Albert, > > > > Thanks for your feedback from an operator perspective =E2=80=93 it is val= uable. > This =E2=80=9CBFD hold up=E2=80=9D behaviour that you desire is best hand= led by BFD since I > would expect that similar behaviour would be desired across routing > protocols (OSPF, ISIS, BGP) and perhaps other clients. > > > > IMHO this is not something that we should be tackling within the scope of > this BGP draft. Would you agree? > > > > That said, this seems like a local implementation aspect to me. We should > however discuss within the BFD WG if there is value in documenting this. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Susan Hares > *Sent:* 25 July 2019 16:21 > *To:* 'Albert Fu' ; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > Albert: > > > > To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is. > > > > As a WG chair, I have to trust that all drafts are improved during the W= G > process. Can this small change be made after adoption or should it be ma= de > before the draft is considered for adoption. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK) > *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > I am in support of this draft, and would like to request a small change t= o > make this draft more operationally useful. > > We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production > network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict B= FD > mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while. > > Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie= . > break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface > hold-time/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps. > > > We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would > like to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to dela= y > BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a period o= f > time (i.e. BFD hold up feature). > > > This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor > deployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have > some links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable > continuously for 60 seconds. > > Thanks > Albert Fu > Bloomberg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000004578cc058e87e62c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ketan,

I = think it will be good to mention this in the doc, as I expect most large ne= tworks concerned with network stability impacted by link flaps to enable th= e BFD hold-up feature.

F= or example, if one side has BFD hold-up enabled (> BGP hold time) and th= e other side does not, the BGP keepalive message from one side may be delay= ed even if BFD is up. This may have implication on the BGP session transiti= ining to established phase.

Thanks
Albert

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On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:27 PM Ketan Talaulikar (= ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wr= ote:

Hi Albert,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your feedback from an operator perspective =E2=80=93 it i= s valuable. This =E2=80=9CBFD hold up=E2=80=9D behaviour that you desire is= best handled by BFD since I would expect that similar behaviour would be desired across routing protocols (OSPF, ISIS, B= GP) and perhaps other clients.

=C2=A0

IMHO this is not something that we should be tackling within the sco= pe of this BGP draft. Would you agree?

=C2=A0

That said, this seems like a local implementation aspect to me. We s= hould however discuss within the BFD WG if there is value in documenting th= is.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: = Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 25 July 2019 16:21
To: 'Albert Fu' <afu14@bloomberg.net>; idr@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

Albert:

=C2=A0

To clarify, do you sup= port WG adoption with the draft as is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

As a WG chair, I have = to trust that all =C2=A0drafts are improved during the WG process.=C2=A0 Ca= n this small change be made after adoption or should it be made before the draft is considered for adoption.

=C2=A0

Sue Hares

=C2=A0

From: Id= r [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

I am in support of this draft, and would like to r= equest a small change to make this draft more operationally useful.

We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production ne= twork without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict BFD m= ode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while.
=C2=A0
Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie. = break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface hold-time/= debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps.=C2=A0


We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would li= ke to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" t= o delay BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a pe= riod of time (i.e. BFD hold up feature).=C2=A0<= u>


This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor dep= loyment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have some = links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable continuou= sly for 60 seconds.

Thanks
Albert Fu
Bloomberg

=C2=A0

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--0000000000004578cc058e87e62c-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:26:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA8D1201F1; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMv9euhSgu2I; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 504C11201DB; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Cc: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:25:50 -0400 Message-ID: <034e01d5432f$8841b870$98c52950$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_034F_01D5430E.013102D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVDLuY5u1pV58n8Sf2Gi0aZSH3chA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23) - Extended to 8/6/2019 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:25:55 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_034F_01D5430E.013102D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings IDR: The IDR WG call for input on draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt has received only 2 comments. Since this is a draft that updates an operationally needed feature, I am extending the WG LC until 8/6/2019. If you believe this draft is ready for publication, please respond to this WG LC. Sue Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:13 AM To: 'idr wg' Subject: [Idr] WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23) This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. . Please consider if you believe this revision of RFC8203 (Administrative Shutdown) a) Will benefit operational networks, b) is technically complete, and c) ready for publication. In your comments, please indicate whether you "support" or "do not support" its publication. This draft contains IPR notice that causes "IPR warnings". The authors believe that this text is automatically generated by the IETF tools and the warning is not appropriate. As the shepherd, I am investigating this issue. If you have specific knowledge on this issue, you may send it to the list or to me directly. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_034F_01D5430E.013102D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings IDR:

 

The IDR WG call for = input on draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt has received only 2 comments. =  Since this is a draft that updates an operationally needed = feature,  I am extending the WG LC until 8/6/2019.  =

 

If you believe this = draft is ready for publication, please respond to this WG LC. =

 

Sue Hares =

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:13 AM
To: 'idr = wg'
Subject: [Idr] WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative = Shutdown Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to = 7/23)

 

This begins = a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from July 9, = 2019 to July 23, 2019. .

 

Please = consider if you believe this revision of RFC8203 (Administrative = Shutdown)

a)      = Will benefit operational = networks,

b)      = is technically complete, = and

c)       = ready for publication. =

 

In your comments, please indicate whether you = “support” or “do not support” its publication. =

 

This draft contains IPR notice that causes “IPR = warnings”.   The authors believe that this text is = automatically generated by the IETF tools and the warning is not = appropriate.   

 

As the = shepherd, I am  investigating this issue.   If you have = specific knowledge on this issue, you may send it to the list or to me = directly.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_034F_01D5430E.013102D0-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:29:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4094120220; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GeXwK1LvW-ay; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 390791201FA; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: References: <091201d51ee5$ff9e34c0$feda9e40$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <091201d51ee5$ff9e34c0$feda9e40$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:29:32 -0400 Message-ID: <038b01d54330$0d115ab0$27341010$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_038C_01D5430E.86022BB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGvv2Q3eFlFG2/+XErmINV7OI5GX6cm4OCw Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Do you mind that draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has IPR? [6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:29:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_038C_01D5430E.86022BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greeting IDR: All the discussion regarding the IPR in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has completed. All IPR statements have been made. The WG will start WG LC. Watch for the next message. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:09 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Do you mind that draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has IPR? [6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019] IDR WG: This 2 week WG call to determine if the WG wishes to do a WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd. If you wish the IDR WG to consider a WG LC, then indicate "support" in your comments. If you wish the IDR WG to not consider a WG LC due to the IPR, then please indicate "no support" in your comments. If you wish to provide additional comments for the authors as we head toward WG LC, then please add these comments. The chairs read all comments related to a WG LC (including those with this IPR call). Normally we do the calls at the same time, but the authors need to revise the draft to address concerns from the shepherd. Therefore, I'm pushing ahead with the IPR call - so we can focus on the technical issues when -06.txt is submitted. Cheerily, Sue Hares How to check IPR ---------------------- You can look at the IPR by clicking on the IPR button associated https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ The IPR can be looked at directly at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3273/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3023/ Jeff Tantsura (one of the inventors) indicates these IPRs are on 1 patent. ------=_NextPart_000_038C_01D5430E.86022BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greeting IDR:

 

All the discussion regarding the IPR in = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt has completed. =  All IPR statements have been made.

The WG will start WG LC.   Watch for the next message. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 1:09 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: = [Idr] Do you mind that draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt = has IPR? [6/9/2019 to 6/16/2019]

 

IDR WG: =

 

This 2 week WG call to determine if the WG wishes to = do a WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd.   =

If you wish the IDR WG to consider a = WG LC, then indicate “support” in your comments. =

If you wish the IDR WG to not = consider a WG LC due to the IPR, then please indicate “no = support” in your comments.

 

If you wish = to provide additional comments for the authors as we head toward WG LC, = then please add these comments.

 

The chairs = read all comments related to a WG LC (including those with this IPR = call).

 

Normally we do the calls at the same time, but the = authors need to revise the draft to address concerns from the shepherd. =   Therefore, I’m pushing ahead with the IPR call – = so we can focus on the technical issues when -06.txt is submitted. =

 

Cheerily,

Sue = Hares

 

How to check IPR

----------------------

 

You can look = at the IPR by clicking on the IPR button associated

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segmen= t-routing-msd/

 

The IPR can = be looked at directly at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3273/

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3023/

Jeff Tantsura (one of the inventors) indicates = these IPRs are on 1 patent.

------=_NextPart_000_038C_01D5430E.86022BB0-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:34:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E903120203; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:34:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N81btK_A5k-2; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11CB1201FA; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: <039801d54330$ae3f8fb0$0abeaf10$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0399_01D5430F.273039A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVDME5uFAaes0JeTvKqGy9tPbMPJQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:34:08 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0399_01D5430F.273039A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org which you can download at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ In your comments, indicate the following: a) "Support" or "no support" for publication at this time, b) Do you feel this draft will help aid in operational networks? c) Is the technology ready for standardization? Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0399_01D5430F.273039A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Sue,

Support as co-author.
This document is to support IGP=E2=80=99s (R=46C849= 1, R=46C8476), there are at least 2 implementations (as reported by Ketan= )

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 25, 2019, 5:34 PM -0400, Sus= an Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-id= r-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd=40ietf.org which you can download at:

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https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/

&=23160;

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&=23160;

=E2=80=9CSupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for public= ation at this time,

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Is the technology ready for standardization=3F

&=23160;

Cheerily, Susan Hares

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--5d3a2326_b13a31_12dc6-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:46:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D8B1202B2; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:46:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156409119341.17742.13953655253897913766.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:46:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] The IDR WG has placed draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:46:40 -0000 The IDR WG has placed draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Susan Hares) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode/ From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:48:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956C11201FA; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sue, I support publication of this draft. Cheers, Jeff On Jul 25, 2019, 5:26 PM -0400, Susan Hares , wrote: > Greetings IDR: > > The IDR WG call for input on draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt has recei= ved only 2 comments. =C2=A0Since this is a draft that updates an operatio= nally needed feature, =C2=A0I am extending the WG LC until 8/6/2019. > > If you believe this draft is ready for publication, please respond to t= his WG LC. > > Sue Hares > > =46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Susan Hare= s > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:13 AM > To: 'idr wg' > Subject: =5BIdr=5D WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Commu= nication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23) > > This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt = from July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. . > > Please consider if you believe this revision of R=46C8203 (Administrati= ve Shutdown) > Will benefit operational networks, > is technically complete, and > ready for publication. > > In your comments, please indicate whether you =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D= or =E2=80=9Cdo not support=E2=80=9D its publication. > > This draft contains IPR notice that causes =E2=80=9CIPR warnings=E2=80=9D= . =C2=A0=C2=A0The authors believe that this text is automatically generat= ed by the IET=46 tools and the warning is not appropriate. > > As the shepherd, I am =C2=A0investigating this issue.=C2=A0=C2=A0 If yo= u have specific knowledge on this issue, you may send it to the list or t= o me directly. > > Cheerily, Susan Hares > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Idr mailing list > Idr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --5d3a23c0_6ec9d844_12dc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Sue,

I support publication of this draft.

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 25, 2019, 5:26 PM -0400, Sus= an Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, wrote:

Greeting= s IDR:

&=23160;=

The IDR = WG call for input on draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt has received only 2= comments. &=23160;Since this is a draft that updates an operationally ne= eded feature, &=23160;I am extending the WG LC until 8/6/2019.&=23160;

&=23160;=

If you b= elieve this draft is ready for publication, please respond to this WG LC.=

&=23160;=

Sue Hare= s

&=23160;=

=46rom: Idr =5Bmailto:idr-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of S= usan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:13 AM
To: 'idr wg'
Subject: =5BIdr=5D WG LC for Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown = Communication (bs) - draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt (7/9 to 7/23)

&=23160;

This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ie= tf-idr-rfc8203bis-04.txt from July 9, 2019 to July 23, 2019. .

&=23160;

Please consider if you believe this revision o= f R=46C8203 (Administrative Shutdown)

Will benefit operational networks,

is technically complete, and

ready for publication.

&=23160;

In your comments, please indicate whether you = =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cdo not support=E2=80=9D its publica= tion.

&=23160;

This draft contains IPR notice that causes =E2= =80=9CIPR warnings=E2=80=9D. &=23160;&=23160;The authors believe that thi= s text is automatically generated by the IET=46 tools and the warning is = not appropriate.&=23160; &=23160;

&=23160;

As the shepherd, I am &=23160;investigating th= is issue.&=23160;&=23160; If you have specific knowledge on this issue, y= ou may send it to the list or to me directly.

&=23160;

Cheerily, Susan Hares

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Hi Susan,
support as co-author.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:34 PM Susan Hares= <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
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This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment= -routing-msd@ietf.org which you can download at:

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp= -ls-segment-routing-msd/

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In your comments, indicate the fol= lowing:

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a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =E2=80=9CSupport=E2=80=9D= or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D for publication at this time,

b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you feel this= draft will help aid in operational networks?

c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Is the technology ready for = standardization?

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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[50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA8C1201D1; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Cc: , , , "'Robert Varga'" References: <016601d53659$d5399e50$7facdaf0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <016601d53659$d5399e50$7facdaf0$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <03be01d54333$61181920$23484b60$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03BF_01D54311.DA067920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHZ6OQxKPa32hjWtPWpuhM42Fjpw6bSk9Jg Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:53:36 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03BF_01D54311.DA067920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: We are missing the following IPR statements: Author: Saikat Ray and Hannes Gredler Contributor: Robert Varga The IDR chairs need these IPR statements prior to starting the WG adoption. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:26 AM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt Greetings: This is an IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption. The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related to this draft. The adoption call will begin after all authors and contributors have send in an IPR statement. Any other member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR statement. Cheerily, Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_03BF_01D54311.DA067920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

 

We are missing the = following  IPR statements:  

 

Author:  Saikat Ray = and Hannes Gredler

Contributor: Robert Varga =

 

The IDR chairs need = these IPR statements prior to starting the WG adoption. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:26 AM
To: 'idr = wg'
Cc: = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] IPR call = for = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt

 

Greetings: =

 

This is an IPR call for = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt in preparation for a WG adoption. =   The authors should indicate if they know of any IPR related = to this draft.  The adoption call will begin after all authors and = contributors have send in an IPR statement.

 

Any other = member of IDR is welcome to send in a 3rd party IPR = statement.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

------=_NextPart_000_03BF_01D54311.DA067920-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:58:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC2F1201DB; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:58:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wS-VHKSgMFck; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB45A1201D1; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.194; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Cc: , , , References: <015301d53659$218744c0$6495ce40$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <015301d53659$218744c0$6495ce40$@ndzh.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <041001d54334$200c1200$60243600$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0411_01D54312.98FCE300" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHy4yovs+qQ6PmO4gMud+oriygKMaagoKVA Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190725-4, 07/25/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:58:52 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01D54312.98FCE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: We have received the IPR statements from all the co-authors. We also need IPR statements from the contributors: Clarence Filsfils, Pradosh Mohapatra, and Yakov Rekhter. Since I believe at least one of these contributors (Yakov) may be hard to reach, I will begin the WG adoption call. The co-authors should encourage these contributors to send in the IPR Statement. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:21 AM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] IPR call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - 7/16] Greetings: This is an IPR call for adoption of draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt. The authors should indicate whether they know of any IPR. Jeff Haas indicated that I missed doing an adoption call for this draft. I apologize to the authors for this oversight. This draft has progressed in the meantime to having multiple implementations. With multiple implementations, this draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. The authors should be prepared to send in IPR statements at Adoption call and WG LC. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01D54312.98FCE300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

 

We have received the IPR statements = from all the co-authors.  We also need IPR statements from the = contributors: Clarence Filsfils, = Pradosh Mohapatra, and = Yakov Rekhter. = 

 
Since I believe =
at least one of these contributors (Yakov) may be hard to reach, I will =
begin the WG adoption call. The co-authors should encourage these =
contributors to send in the IPR =
Statement.
 
Cheerily, =
Susan Hares

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:21 AM
To: 'idr = wg'
Cc: = draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] IPR = call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt [7/9 - = 7/16]

 

Greetings: =

 

This is an IPR call for adoption of = draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt.   The authors should = indicate whether they know of any IPR.

 

Jeff Haas = indicated that I missed doing an adoption call for this draft. =   I apologize to the authors for this oversight.  This = draft  has progressed in the meantime to having multiple = implementations.    With multiple implementations, this = draft will move quickly from adoption to WG LC. 

 

The authors = should be prepared to send in IPR statements at Adoption call and WG = LC. 

 

Sue Hares

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This = begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for = draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019. =

 

The authors have indicated that there are already = multiple implementations of this draft.    The draft may = rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please = indicate in your comments:

a)      = “support” or = “no support”,

b)      = Any concerns about the = technology, and

c)       = Any benefits for BGP = deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

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We have implementa= tions and deployment of this draft. Thanks, Ketan From: Susan Hares Sent: 25 July 2019 17:34 To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Subject: WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@iet= f.org which you = can download at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ In your comments, indicate the following: 1. "Support" or "no support" for publication at this time, 2. Do you feel this draft will help aid in operational networks? 3. Is the technology ready for standardization? Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_DM5PR11MB20272956156A602ABD301A25C1C10DM5PR11MB2027namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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(ketant)" , "idr@ietf.org" , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , Susan Hares , Albert Bloomberg , "lsr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000042259f058e8920a5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Lsr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:41:32 -0000 --00000000000042259f058e8920a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, I imagine that there could be multiple clients of the same BFD session with different requirements in regard to dampening behavior. For example, the delay each client desires to use may be different for each client of the BFD session. If that is a plausible use case, I think that placing dampening to a client may be a better choice. Regards, Greg On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 6:23 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Albert, Ketan, > > The authors will document dampening in the operational considerations. I= =E2=80=99m > also of the mind that the dampening should be done in BFD rather than the > BFD clients (e.g., BGP). > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > *From: *Lsr on behalf of Albert F < > albert.f168@gmail.com> > *Date: *Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 5:14 PM > *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" > *Cc: *IDR List , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , > Albert Bloomberg , Susan Hares , " > lsr@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > Hi Ketan, > > > > I think it will be good to mention this in the doc, as I expect most larg= e > networks concerned with network stability impacted by link flaps to enabl= e > the BFD hold-up feature. > > > > For example, if one side has BFD hold-up enabled (> BGP hold time) and th= e > other side does not, the BGP keepalive message from one side may be delay= ed > even if BFD is up. This may have implication on the BGP session > transitiining to established phase. > > > > Thanks > > Albert > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:27 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > wrote: > > Hi Albert, > > > > Thanks for your feedback from an operator perspective =E2=80=93 it is val= uable. > This =E2=80=9CBFD hold up=E2=80=9D behaviour that you desire is best hand= led by BFD since I > would expect that similar behaviour would be desired across routing > protocols (OSPF, ISIS, BGP) and perhaps other clients. > > > > IMHO this is not something that we should be tackling within the scope of > this BGP draft. Would you agree? > > > > That said, this seems like a local implementation aspect to me. We should > however discuss within the BFD WG if there is value in documenting this. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Susan Hares > *Sent:* 25 July 2019 16:21 > *To:* 'Albert Fu' ; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > Albert: > > > > To clarify, do you support WG adoption with the draft as is. > > > > As a WG chair, I have to trust that all drafts are improved during the W= G > process. Can this small change be made after adoption or should it be ma= de > before the draft is considered for adoption. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK) > *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM > *To:* idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode > > > > I am in support of this draft, and would like to request a small change t= o > make this draft more operationally useful. > > We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production > network without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict B= FD > mode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while. > > Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie= . > break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface > hold-time/debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps. > > > We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would > like to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" to dela= y > BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a period o= f > time (i.e. BFD hold up feature). > > > This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor > deployment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have > some links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable > continuously for 60 seconds. > > Thanks > Albert Fu > Bloomberg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --00000000000042259f058e8920a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Acee,
I imagine that there could be multiple client= s of the same BFD session with different requirements in regard to dampenin= g behavior. For example, the delay each client desires to use may be differ= ent for each client of the BFD session. If that is a plausible use case, I = think that placing dampening to a client may be a better choice.
=
Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 6:23 PM= Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Albert, Ketan,

The authors will document dampening in the operation= al considerations. I=E2=80=99m also of the mind that the dampening should b= e done in BFD rather than the BFD clients (e.g., BGP).

Thanks,
Acee

=C2=A0

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> o= n behalf of Albert F <albert.f168@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 5:14 PM
To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: IDR List <i= dr@ietf.org>, "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>, Albert Bloomberg <afu14@bloomberg.net>, S= usan Hares <shares@= ndzh.com>, "l= sr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan, =

=C2=A0

I think it will be good = to mention this in the doc, as I expect most large networks concerned with = network stability impacted by link flaps to enable the BFD hold-up feature.=

=C2=A0

For example, if one side= has BFD hold-up enabled (> BGP hold time) and the other side does not, = the BGP keepalive message from one side may be delayed even if BFD is up. T= his may have implication on the BGP session transitiining to established phase.

=C2=A0

Thanks

Albert

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:= 27 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Albert,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your feedback from an operator perspective = =E2=80=93 it is valuable. This =E2=80=9CBFD hold up=E2=80=9D behaviour that= you desire is best handled by BFD since I would expect that similar behavi= our would be desired across routing protocols (OSPF, ISIS, BGP) and perhaps other clients.

=C2=A0

IMHO this is not something that we should be tackling = within the scope of this BGP draft. Would you agree?

=C2=A0

That said, this seems like a local implementation aspe= ct to me. We should however discuss within the BFD WG if there is value in = documenting this.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 25 July 2019 16:21
To: 'Albert Fu' <afu14@bloomberg.net>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

Albert:

=C2=A0<= /u>

To clarify, do you support WG adoption= with the draft as is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

As a WG chair, I have to trust that al= l =C2=A0drafts are improved during the WG process.=C2=A0 Can this small cha= nge be made after adoption or should it be made before the draft is conside= red for adoption.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Sue Hares<= u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@i= etf.org] On Behalf Of Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:19 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode

=C2=A0

I am in suppo= rt of this draft, and would like to request a small change to make this dra= ft more operationally useful.

We have encountered several traffic blackhole problems in our production ne= twork without this feature. As such, we have deployed BGP with strict BFD m= ode on a proprietary vendor implementation for a while.
=C2=A0
Since a lot of MetroE circuit failures occur with interfaces still up, ie. = break in the middle issues, the traditional knobs like interface hold-time/= debounce timer can not be used to dampen interface flaps.=C2=A0


We have observed that interface issues tend to occur in bursts and would li= ke to request that an option be added in "Section 4 Operation:" t= o delay BGP from coming up until BFD is proven stable continuously for a pe= riod of time (i.e. BFD hold up feature).=C2=A0<= u>


This is a feature that we are currently using in the proprietary vendor dep= loyment. In our case, since we have multiple redundant paths, we have some = links where we delay BGP from coming up until BFD has been stable continuou= sly for 60 seconds.

Thanks
Albert Fu
Bloomberg

=C2=A0=

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co-author, I support adopting this document. This draft has multiple implementations and deployments, including within O= range. It is useful to improve resiliency. Best regards, --Bruno From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:03 PM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.tx= t - 7/26 to 8/8 This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-= 05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019. The authors have indicated that there are already multiple implementations = of this draft. The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC. Please indicate in your comments: a) "support" or "no support", b) Any concerns about the technology, and c) Any benefits for BGP deployments. 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Hi Sue,

 

As a co-author, I suppor= t adopting this document.

 =

This draft has multiple = implementations and deployments, including within Orange. It is useful to improve resiliency.

 =

Best regards,=

--Bruno

 =

= From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:03 PM
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistenc= e-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for d= raft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019.

 

The authors have indicated that there are a= lready multiple implementations of this draft.    The draft = may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please indicate in your comments:

a)    &nbs= p; “support” or “no support”,

b)    &nbs= p; Any concerns about the technology, and

c)    &nbs= p;  Any benefits for BGP deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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The draft has multiple implementations and is deployed in AT&T for multiple= FOUs. Thanks, Jim Uttaro From: bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:47 PM To: Susan Hares ; 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: RE: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-0= 5.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 Hi Sue, As a co-author, I support adopting this document. This draft has multiple implementations and deployments, including within O= range. It is useful to improve resiliency. Best regards, --Bruno From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:03 PM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.tx= t - 7/26 to 8/8 This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-= 05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019. The authors have indicated that there are already multiple implementations = of this draft. The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC. Please indicate in your comments: a) "support" or "no support", b) Any concerns about the technology, and c) Any benefits for BGP deployments. Cheerily, Susan Hares ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_B17A6910EEDD1F45980687268941550F4D891720MISOUT7MSGUSRCD_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As co-author , I= support adopting this document.

 

The draft has mu= ltiple implementations and is deployed in AT&T for multiple FOUs.<= /o:p>

 

Thanks,

  &nbs= p;           Jim Uttaro

 

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.dec= raene@orange.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:47 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org&g= t;
Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: RE: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persis= tence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

Hi Sue,

 = ;

As a co-author, I supp= ort adopting this document.

 

This draft has multipl= e implementations and deployments, including within Orange. It is useful to= improve resiliency.

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

From: Susan Hares [mailto= :shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:03 PM
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: dra= ft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistenc= e-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

=  

This begins a 2 week WG= Adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 t= o 8/8/2019.

 

The authors have indica= ted that there are already multiple implementations of this draft.  &n= bsp; The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please indicate in your= comments:

a)       “support” or “no support”, =

b)      Any concerns about the technology, and <= /p>

c)       Any benefits for BGP deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares <= o:p>

____________________________________________________=
_____________________________________________________________________<=
/o:p>
 
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The working group will continue t= o > work on improving the robustness, scalability, deployability, > manageability, and security of BGP. > > BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other > working groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and > other) groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that > when another working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that ID= R > should be informed. In particular, if another working group requests > allocation of a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be > consulted as soon as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Paramete= rs > group is the most notable example of such registries. In general, protoco= l > changes should be progressed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible > mechanisms need only notification to IDR. > > IDR desires to review extensions made to BGP in other working groups at > least at WG document adoption and during working group last calls. The ID= R > working group will also provide advice and guidance on BGP to other worki= ng > groups as requested. > > IDR welcomes advice and requirements from other working groups, > particularly from GROW which is chartered for this purpose. > =E2=80=94 > > The main changes vs. the prior text are, > > 1. Talks in more detail about what we expect from our peer WGs and what > they can expect from us. > 2. Removes the =E2=80=9Cwork items=E2=80=9D section. This was largely red= undant with the > milestones and it just muddies the waters. > > Essentially the intent is to say =E2=80=9Cwe do BGP=E2=80=9D but a little= more rigorously > (or at least verbosely). :-) > > If we adopt this charter, or one like it, the next step would be to do a > pass of updating our milestones, fairly extensively. Many of the > suggestions that have been made so far (thank you!) would fall into that > discussion. > > Regards, > > =E2=80=94John > > [*] Does not imply the Routing ADs have approved this text, they have not > provided an opinion on it. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000e821e6058e895d5f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This looks great so far

On Thu, Jul 25, 20= 19 at 18:44 John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi All,

Here=E2=80=99s a draft of new charter text we came up with after consulting= with the Routing ADs [*]:

=E2=80=94
The Inter-Domain Routing Working Group is chartered to standardize, develop= , and support the Border Gateway Protocol Version 4 (BGP-4)=C2=A0 [RFC 4271= ] capable of supporting policy based routing for TCP/IP Internets.

The main objective of the working group is to support the use of BGP-4 by I= P version 4 and IP version 6 networks. The working group will continue to w= ork on improving the robustness, scalability, deployability, manageability,= and security of BGP.

BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other wo= rking groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and othe= r) groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when an= other working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR should = be informed. In particular, if another working group requests allocation of= a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be consulted as soon= as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters group is the mos= t notable example of such registries. In general, protocol changes should b= e progressed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible mechanisms need only n= otification to IDR.

IDR desires to review extensions made to BGP in other working groups at lea= st at WG document adoption and during working group last calls. The IDR wor= king group will also provide advice and guidance on BGP to other working gr= oups as requested.

IDR welcomes advice and requirements from other working groups, particularl= y from GROW which is chartered for this purpose.
=E2=80=94

The main changes vs. the prior text are,

1. Talks in more detail about what we expect from our peer WGs and what the= y can expect from us.
2. Removes the =E2=80=9Cwork items=E2=80=9D section. This was largely redun= dant with the milestones and it just muddies the waters.

Essentially the intent is to say =E2=80=9Cwe do BGP=E2=80=9D but a little m= ore rigorously (or at least verbosely). :-)

If we adopt this charter, or one like it, the next step would be to do a pa= ss of updating our milestones, fairly extensively. Many of the suggestions = that have been made so far (thank you!) would fall into that discussion.
Regards,

=E2=80=94John

[*] Does not imply the Routing ADs have approved this text, they have not p= rovided an opinion on it.
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This makes the corresponding BGP-LS u= pdates quite trivial and as discussed in the LSR WG, I would recommend to= add some text (proposed below) to the two IGP documents. > > OSP=46: > The OSP=46 extensions defined in this document can be advertised via BG= P-LS =5BR=46C7752=5D using existing BGP-LS TLVs. The flags field of the O= SP=46v2 Extended Prefix TLV and the OSP=46v3 PrefixOptions where the ELC = =46lag introduced in this document is advertised using the Prefix Attribu= te =46lags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute =5B= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16=23= section-2.3.2=5D. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for OSP=46 by this doc= ument is advertised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node NLRI = Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-ro= uting-msd-05=23section-3=5D. > > ISIS: > The IS-IS extensions defined in this document can be advertised via BGP= -LS =5BR=46C7752=5D using existing BGP-LS TLVs. The Prefix Attribute =46l= ags sub-TLV where the ELC =46lag is introduced in this document is advert= ised using the Prefix Attribute =46lags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4= /IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr= -bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16=23section-2.3.2=5D. The new ERLD MSD-type = introduced for IS-IS by this document is advertised using the Node MSD TL= V (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node NLRI Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05=23section-3=5D. > > I am copying the IDR WG and authors of the BGP-LS ERLD draft as well fo= r their inputs/feedback. > > Thanks, > Ketan > > =46rom: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: 25 July 2019 16:28 > To: lsr=40ietf.org > Subject: =5BLsr=5D IET=46 105 LSR Working Group Meeting Minutes > > I think we had some very good discussions in our sessions this week. I=E2= =80=99ve uploaded the minutes for the both LSR sessions on Monday. Thanks= much to Yingzhen Qu for taking them. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-lsr-00 > > Thanks, > Acee > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Lsr mailing list > Lsr=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr --5d3a3439_26f2d364_12dc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
+1 Ketan

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 25, 2019, 6:43 PM -0400, Ket= an Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=40cisco.com>, wrote:

Hi Acee/All,

&=23160;

During the LSR WG meeting on Monday, we talked about co= vering the BGP-LS aspects of the following two IGP drafts in those drafts= instead of requiring a separate document:

&=23160;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc/

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc/

&=23160;

Originally, these IGP drafts introduced a new node capa= bility that required a new BGP-LS TLV and this was captured in the IDR WG= document https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf= t-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld/

&=23160;

However after the discussion in the LSR WG over the las= t few months, the approach has changed such that the IGP signalling is be= ing done by introduction of new flags and MSD-type. This makes the corres= ponding BGP-LS updates quite trivial and as discussed in the LSR WG, I wo= uld recommend to add some text (proposed below) to the two IGP documents.=

&=23160;

OSP=46:

The OSP=46 extensions defined in this docum= ent can be advertised via BGP-LS =5BR=46C7752=5D using existing BGP-LS TL= Vs. The flags field of the OSP=46v2 Extended Prefix TLV and the OSP=46v3 = PrefixOptions where the ELC =46lag introduced in this document is adverti= sed using the Prefix Attribute =46lags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/= IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-= bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16=23section-2.3.2=5D. The new ERLD MSD-type i= ntroduced for OSP=46 by this document is advertised using the Node MSD TL= V (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node NLRI Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05=23section-3=5D.

&=23160;

ISIS:

The IS-IS extensions defined in this docume= nt can be advertised via BGP-LS =5BR=46C7752=5D using existing BGP-LS TLV= s. The Prefix Attribute =46lags sub-TLV where the ELC =46lag is introduce= d in this document is advertised using the Prefix Attribute =46lags TLV (= TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute =5Bhttps://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16=23section-2.3.= 2=5D. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for IS-IS by this document is adve= rtised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node NLRI Attribute =5B= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05=23= section-3=5D.

&=23160;

I am copying the IDR WG and authors of the = BGP-LS ERLD draft as well for their inputs/feedback.

&=23160;

Thanks,

Ketan

&=23160;

=46rom: Lsr <lsr-= bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: 25 July 2019 16:28
To: lsr=40ietf.org
Subject: =5BLsr=5D IET=46 105 LSR Working Group Meeting Minutes

&=23160;

I think we had some very good discussion= s in our sessions this week. I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the minutes for the bo= th LSR sessions on Monday. Thanks much to Yingzhen Qu for taking them.

&=23160;

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-lsr-00

&=23160;

Thanks,
Acee

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--5d3a3439_26f2d364_12dc6-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 16:15:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30A12024E for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2icdto2QABM for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7262712023B for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2600:380:7c4d:5694:bd6a:970:58c6:140f] (unknown [IPv6:2600:380:7c4d:5694:bd6a:970:58c6:140f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 299DA540090; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-83FE6824-E510-48CC-A49C-58A8CD39AEFA Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jared Mauch X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G77) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:15:26 -0400 Cc: John Scudder , idr wg Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A0EEF33-CE23-4FB6-93E8-92B4CCDF6CAA@puck.nether.net> References: <9CBFDB82-5965-4D76-A85F-3A8F5C89357F@juniper.net> To: Job Snijders Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Draft IDR charter text X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:15:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-83FE6824-E510-48CC-A49C-58A8CD39AEFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read this text and think it looks good as well.=20 Sent from my iCar > On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Job Snijders wrote: >=20 > This looks great so far >=20 >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 18:44 John Scudder wrote: >> Hi All, >>=20 >> Here=E2=80=99s a draft of new charter text we came up with after consulti= ng with the Routing ADs [*]: >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> The Inter-Domain Routing Working Group is chartered to standardize, devel= op, and support the Border Gateway Protocol Version 4 (BGP-4) [RFC 4271] ca= pable of supporting policy based routing for TCP/IP Internets. >>=20 >> The main objective of the working group is to support the use of BGP-4 by= IP version 4 and IP version 6 networks. The working group will continue to w= ork on improving the robustness, scalability, deployability, manageability, a= nd security of BGP. >>=20 >> BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other w= orking groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and othe= r) groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when ano= ther working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR should be= informed. In particular, if another working group requests allocation of a c= ode point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be consulted as soon as p= ossible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters group is the most nota= ble example of such registries. In general, protocol changes should be progr= essed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible mechanisms need only notificat= ion to IDR. >>=20 >> IDR desires to review extensions made to BGP in other working groups at l= east at WG document adoption and during working group last calls. The IDR wo= rking group will also provide advice and guidance on BGP to other working gr= oups as requested. >>=20 >> IDR welcomes advice and requirements from other working groups, particula= rly from GROW which is chartered for this purpose.=20 >> =E2=80=94 >>=20 >> The main changes vs. the prior text are, >>=20 >> 1. Talks in more detail about what we expect from our peer WGs and what t= hey can expect from us. >> 2. Removes the =E2=80=9Cwork items=E2=80=9D section. This was largely red= undant with the milestones and it just muddies the waters.=20 >>=20 >> Essentially the intent is to say =E2=80=9Cwe do BGP=E2=80=9D but a little= more rigorously (or at least verbosely). :-) >>=20 >> If we adopt this charter, or one like it, the next step would be to do a p= ass of updating our milestones, fairly extensively. Many of the suggestions t= hat have been made so far (thank you!) would fall into that discussion. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> =E2=80=94John >>=20 >> [*] Does not imply the Routing ADs have approved this text, they have not= provided an opinion on it. >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-83FE6824-E510-48CC-A49C-58A8CD39AEFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read this text and think it looks go= od as well. 

Sent fro= m my iCar

On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Job Snijder= s <job@instituut.net> wrote:<= br>
This looks great so far

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 18:44 John Scudd= er <jgs=3D40juniper.net@d= marc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi All,<= br>
Here=E2=80=99s a draft of new charter text we came up with after consulting w= ith the Routing ADs [*]:

=E2=80=94
The Inter-Domain Routing Working Group is chartered to standardize, develop,= and support the Border Gateway Protocol Version 4 (BGP-4)  [RFC 4271] c= apable of supporting policy based routing for TCP/IP Internets.

The main objective of the working group is to support the use of BGP-4 by IP= version 4 and IP version 6 networks. The working group will continue to wor= k on improving the robustness, scalability, deployability, manageability, an= d security of BGP.

BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other wor= king groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and other)= groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when anoth= er working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR should be i= nformed. In particular, if another working group requests allocation of a co= de point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be consulted as soon as po= ssible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters group is the most notab= le example of such registries. In general, protocol changes should be progre= ssed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible mechanisms need only notificati= on to IDR.

IDR desires to review extensions made to BGP in other working groups at leas= t at WG document adoption and during working group last calls. The IDR worki= ng group will also provide advice and guidance on BGP to other working group= s as requested.

IDR welcomes advice and requirements from other working groups, particularly= from GROW which is chartered for this purpose.
=E2=80=94

The main changes vs. the prior text are,

1. Talks in more detail about what we expect from our peer WGs and what they= can expect from us.
2. Removes the =E2=80=9Cwork items=E2=80=9D section. This was largely redund= ant with the milestones and it just muddies the waters.

Essentially the intent is to say =E2=80=9Cwe do BGP=E2=80=9D but a little mo= re rigorously (or at least verbosely). :-)

If we adopt this charter, or one like it, the next step would be to do a pas= s of updating our milestones, fairly extensively. Many of the suggestions th= at have been made so far (thank you!) would fall into that discussion.

Regards,

=E2=80=94John

[*] Does not imply the Routing ADs have approved this text, they have not pr= ovided an opinion on it.
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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2625 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Review of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 02:04:06 -0000 Thanks for the thorough review, My comments in line as [Hu Jun] -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Paul Wouters Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 8:39 AM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: ipsec@ietf.org WG Subject: [Idr] Review of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00 Hi, Note that I am an IPsec person and not a routing expert. The document's idea looks fine to me. It is using BGP messages to provision= IKEv2 so that IPsec tunnels can be setup to protect packets as best as pos= sible. That's great :) And unlike most proposals the IPsec WG sees, this document does not try to = replace IKEv2 with its own smarter Key Exchange protocol, so that's a doubl= e plus :) [Hu Jun] indeed, IKEv2 is a field proven mature/secure protocol, there is r= eally no need to re-invent a new way for key exchanging=20 Thanks for reaching out to the ipsec WG, we really appreciate the chance to= read drafts that use IPsec to give advise. Below are some of my comments and questions I have: - Configuring large number of tunnels is error prone and not scalable * Only true to some extend * See AutoVPN, DMVPM, NHRP+IKE * Still, this provisioning system seems to fit your eco system. It's as = simple as it can be and does not seem to introduce any new complexity or risks. [Hu Jun] All kinds of tunnel mechanism are used in large IP network where B= GP is heavily used, that's why ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps introduce a unified m= echanism for BGP to signal different type of tunnel config; my draft is jus= t extension of it to support IPsec tunnel; and I intentionally keep the cha= nges to BGP small and no change to IPsec, for easier adaption; - What is "color"? [Hu Jun] "color" is a general term used in routing to represent a set of ru= les or match criteria; for example color "red" means set-1 of rules, "yello= w" means a set-2 of rules; in my draft, color sub-TLV is used to signal a s= et of IPsec config that are not explicitly signaled by other BGP sub-TLVs (= like local/remote traffic selector prefix, public routing instance) ;=20 Following is an example: Color "red" maps to following IPsec config: - certificate auth - trust anchor CA-1 - ike-transform: sha256/aes-gcm-256/DH-Grp 15 - IKE_SA lifetime: 1 day - esp-transform: sha256/aes-gcm-256/Pfs-Grp 15 - CHILD_SA lifetime: 2 hours - ESN: yes - ... etc Color "yellow" maps to following IPsec config: - certificate auth - trust anchor CA-2 - ike-transform: sha128/aes-gcm-128/DH-Grp 15 - IKE_SA lifetime: 1 day - esp-transform: sha128/aes-gcm-128/Pfs-Grp 15 - CHILD_SA lifetime: 2 hours - ESN: No - ... etc =20 - Section 3, step 4: When a router need to forward a packet along a path is determined by a BGP UPDATE which has a tunnel encapsulation attribute that contains one or more IPsec TLV, and router decides use IPsec based on local policy, Required vs Optional IPsec issue. If only one end has "required" and the ot= her end has "optional" then unencrypted packets will be dropped. Seeing IPs= ec tunnel TLV should probably mean it is mandatory to setup a tunnel? [Hu Jun] A router could include multiple different tunnel type TLV in a BGP= update, which means there could be multiple tunnel type options for a give= n route; and a receiver of such route might chose one of them based on loca= l policy; this behavior is specified in section 5 of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-= encaps It can be done as "optional" but then the IPsec/kernel mechanisms cannot tr= igger an IKE/IPsec negotiation and this protocol needs to be responsible fo= r not just configuring IKEv2/IPsec but also for bringing up the tunnels whe= n needed. [Hu Jun] yes, if the system decides to use IPsec tunnel to reach a route (b= ased on local policy), it needs to first to check if there is already an ex= isting CHILD_SA it could use, if not, system needs to use IKEv2 to create o= ne - Section 3, step 6: - signaling IPsec configuration Call it IPsec provisioning ? [Hu Jun] I don't have strong opinion on this, provision is also fine to me;= =20 - Examples are using less prefered and slower algorithms * Change AES-CBC-256 with SHA-384. to AES-GCM-256 or CHACHA20_POLY1305 * Change NULL-SHA256 to NULL-AES-GMAC [Hu Jun] ok, I will make the change=20 - 1/128 and 2/128 ? For 1/128 (VPN-IPv4 Labeled Unicast), 2/128 (VPN-IPv6 Labeled Unicast), these NLRI has embedded label, which cause the payload packet can't be encapsulated in ESP packet, I don't understand why 1/128 or 2/128 are special ? [Hu Jun] because these routes include a MPLS label, so by default, a router= are supposed to add a MPLS label to the payload packet; but IPsec (ESP) on= ly supports IP packet as payload, so label can't be included during ESP enc= ryption/encapsulation; that's why a value 2 of Embedded Label Handling Sub-= TLV is used to signal ignoring the MPLS label during ESP processing Open questions: - If the IKEv2 protocol fails, what happens with packets? Release in clear = or drop? Is this something the BGP should configure/provision ? If not, it should= state which of the two is expected [Hu Jun] This depends if there is any other tunnels (signaled via other tun= nel encap TLV in BGP update) could be used; if there is, then use another o= ne based on local policy; if not, then drop the packet as no route availabl= e=20 - If a router R1 and R2 have an ipsec tunnel for some traffic, and R1 crash= es/reboots, how do things recover? R2 will send packets and might not know something= is wrong, unless it is configured for liveness. What happens when R1 comes back up? If al= l BGP routes are taken away via another mechanism, then I guess R2 would simply delet= e its tunnel. [Hu Jun] there need to some keepalive mechanism to detect if tunnel is up o= r not; this is not specific to IPsec, all stateful tunnel need such mechani= sm; for IPsec, DPD is one option; another faster option would be running BF= D over IPsec tunnel; after R2 detects tunnel is down, it has following opti= ons: 1. if there is another type of tunnel could use (as described as above), th= en use that tunnel 2. try re-create the tunnel for a few times, if still can't create the tunn= el, use other tunnel if available=20 Such case is also described in section 5 of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps - Performance: if routes are large (eg 0/128) then very few tunnels would c= over lots of routes. In general, having more parallel smaller CHILD SA's outperforms = a single or two CHILD SA's by far. This could introduce performance issues. [Hu Jun] agree, and user could freely choose between a few CHILD_SA or many= CHILD_SA based on traffic selector sub-TLV BGP signals=20 - Some IPsec options not mentioned could prevent a tunnel from being setup,= such as whether to use Extended Sequence Numbers (ESN), or Perfect Forward Secre= cry (PFS). Some of these could be locked down in the document (PFS=3Dyes) but thing= s like ESN really depend on the bandwidth of the tunnel. [Hu Jun] as mentioned above, all IPsec config that is not explicit signaled= by a sub-TLV, is indirectly signal by color - Maybe some advise on replay-window size would be good. Larger is better b= ut takes more memory. Matters mostly for highspeed links. 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Hi Susan,

 

Support this important document.

 

Thanks,

-Mercia

 

From:= Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan= Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 5:35 PM
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Subject: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.= txt

 

This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org which you can downloa= d at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie= tf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/

 

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At the mic I had the following questions/comments: - IPsecGW's vs Routes Depending on the amount of IPsec hosts versus the amount of routes (aka IPs= ec SA's), there are two different models that might apply better. 1) A host to host IPsec connection in transport mode, using GRE or similar to add/remote routes without needing to update IPsec state 2) A host to host IPsec connection un tunnel mode, which a single IPsec SA per route object. [Hu Jun] yes, there are use case for both; however using IPsec transport mo= de does raise a interesting point, currently my draft doesn't include trans= port mode; using transport with another tunnel type like GRE is kind specia= l, since it is not tunnel stack/nest, I think currently there is no existin= g mechanism in the framework of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps to support tra= nsport mode; we need to define a new one; I could include this in next revi= sion of my draft There are likely scenarios where either one will perform better. - Optional vs Mandatory My question was whether an indication for IPsec is a commitment to require = it or a suggestion to use it. That will cause some implementation differenc= es. For example, kernel ACQUIRES can only be generated when the policy is m= andatory - that is plaintext packets will be dropped until an IPsec tunnel = is up. [Hu Jun] as I replied in the other email, this depends on if there is other= tunnel type TLV in the same BGP update, if yes, then based on local policy= user could chose another type; but if user want to enforce of using IPsec,= then just only include IPsec tunnel TLV=20 - MTU issues By adding another layer of encapsulation with IPsec, the MTU is slightly re= duced. I did not find text about this in the drafts. Should the administrat= or or implementation do something to counter the slightly smaller usable MT= U or is it expected that each flow handles this itself in the normal path m= tu discovery? [Hu Jun] this is a general understood issue whenever tunnel is involved, bu= t I agree some text in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps won't hurt=20 - Round Trip Time One can setup a childless IKEv2 SA (two roundtrips) between hosts in antici= pation of routes. Then the first route that would need an IPsec tunnel only= requires one roundtrip instead of two round trips. This might not matter at the scale things happen, but often in a mesh of no= des doing crypto, the majority of nodes do not talk to each other and this = work might be overkill for theoretical saving of 1 RTT upon route object ch= ange. [Hu Jun] this could be local decision=20 - Multicast IPsec While it was supported in IKEv1 (which you should not use), work for this i= s still in progress for IKEv2. If you need this support, it would be good t= o let the authors of draft-yeung-g-ikev2 know that they have some new poten= tial customers and please proceed with the work. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yeung-g-ikev2-16 [Hu Jun] multicast is important for Ipsec, we need group key for IKEv2, wil= l send a email to the authors=20 - Session resumption I'm not sure if this can be applicable but using session resumption instead= of deleting and starting from scratch for a new IKE SA would save precious= CPU time. [Hu Jun] agree - Tunnel inactivity Please do not start using liveness/DPD at the once per second time frame. T= here are other methods to detect tunnel inactivity, such as using a PFKEY/N= ETLINK API call that installs a soft-idle timer within the kernel. [Hu Jun] another faster, and commonly implemented mechanism would be DPD; j= ust run DPD over Ipsec=20 Please note I'm not on this list. If you wish to get my attention, feel fre= e to CC: to messages to the idr list. 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] [Lsr] Regd covering BGP-LS extensions for IGP ELC drafts X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 02:58:06 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01D5433C.68485FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ketan and Acee: =20 The IDR co-chairs (John and I) wish to reduce the number of trivial = drafts for BGP-LS allocations that could be done with 1 sentence. We = discussed with the LSR chairs (Acee and Chris) that it would be = reasonable for LSR to do what Ketan has requested.=20 =20 We suggest that the WG LC is sent to IDR and LSR in case someone wants = to discuss a concern. The LSR chairs are capable and smart. Acee and = Chris can help shepherd these LSR drafts with BGP TLV language. =20 =20 Sue =20 =20 PS =E2=80=93 has anyone heard if Chris Hopps is a father yet?=20 =20 =20 From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar = (ketant) Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: Acee Lindem (acee); lsr@ietf.org Cc: idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] Regd covering BGP-LS extensions for IGP ELC drafts =20 Hi Acee/All, =20 During the LSR WG meeting on Monday, we talked about covering the BGP-LS = aspects of the following two IGP drafts in those drafts instead of = requiring a separate document: =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc/ =20 Originally, these IGP drafts introduced a new node capability that = required a new BGP-LS TLV and this was captured in the IDR WG document = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rl= d/ =20 However after the discussion in the LSR WG over the last few months, the = approach has changed such that the IGP signalling is being done by = introduction of new flags and MSD-type. This makes the corresponding = BGP-LS updates quite trivial and as discussed in the LSR WG, I would = recommend to add some text (proposed below) to the two IGP documents. =20 OSPF: The OSPF extensions defined in this document can be advertised via = BGP-LS [RFC7752] using existing BGP-LS TLVs. The flags field of the = OSPFv2 Extended Prefix TLV and the OSPFv3 PrefixOptions where the ELC = Flag introduced in this document is advertised using the Prefix = Attribute Flags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/IPv6 Prefix NLRI = Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16= #section-2.3.2]. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for OSPF by this = document is advertised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node = NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05= #section-3].=20 =20 ISIS: The IS-IS extensions defined in this document can be advertised via = BGP-LS [RFC7752] using existing BGP-LS TLVs. The Prefix Attribute Flags = sub-TLV where the ELC Flag is introduced in this document is advertised = using the Prefix Attribute Flags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/IPv6 = Prefix NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16= #section-2.3.2]. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for IS-IS by this = document is advertised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node = NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05= #section-3].=20 =20 I am copying the IDR WG and authors of the BGP-LS ERLD draft as well for = their inputs/feedback. =20 Thanks, Ketan =20 From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: 25 July 2019 16:28 To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] IETF 105 LSR Working Group Meeting Minutes =20 I think we had some very good discussions in our sessions this week. = I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the minutes for the both LSR sessions on Monday. = Thanks much to Yingzhen Qu for taking them.=20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-lsr-00 =20 Thanks, Acee =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01D5433C.68485FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ketan = and Acee:

 

The IDR = co-chairs (John and I) wish to reduce the number of trivial drafts for = BGP-LS allocations that could be done with 1 sentence. =C2=A0=C2=A0We = discussed with the LSR chairs (Acee and Chris) that it would be = reasonable for LSR to do what Ketan has requested. =

 

We = suggest that the WG LC is sent to IDR and LSR in case someone wants to = discuss a concern.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The LSR chairs are capable and = smart.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Acee and Chris can help shepherd these LSR drafts = with BGP TLV language.=C2=A0

 

Sue = =C2=A0

 

PS = =E2=80=93 has anyone heard if Chris Hopps is a father yet? =

 

 

From:= = Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar = (ketant)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM
To: = Acee Lindem (acee); lsr@ietf.org
Cc: idr@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-rld@ietf.org
Subject: = [Lsr] Regd covering BGP-LS extensions for IGP ELC = drafts

 

Hi = Acee/All,

 

During = the LSR WG meeting on Monday, we talked about covering the BGP-LS = aspects of the following two IGP drafts in those drafts instead of = requiring a separate document:

 

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc/

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc/

 

Originally, these IGP drafts introduced a new = node capability that required a new BGP-LS TLV and this was captured in = the IDR WG document https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segmen= t-routing-rld/

 

However = after the discussion in the LSR WG over the last few months, the = approach has changed such that the IGP signalling is being done by = introduction of new flags and MSD-type. This makes the corresponding = BGP-LS updates quite trivial and as discussed in the LSR WG, I would = recommend to add some text (proposed below) to the two IGP = documents.

 

OSPF:

The OSPF extensions defined in = this document can be advertised via BGP-LS [RFC7752] using existing = BGP-LS TLVs. The flags field of the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix TLV and the = OSPFv3 PrefixOptions where the ELC Flag introduced in this document is = advertised using the Prefix Attribute Flags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS = IPv4/IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16= #section-2.3.2]. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for OSPF by this = document is advertised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node = NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05= #section-3].

 

ISIS:

The IS-IS extensions defined in = this document can be advertised via BGP-LS [RFC7752] using existing = BGP-LS TLVs. The Prefix Attribute Flags sub-TLV where the ELC Flag is = introduced in this document is advertised using the Prefix Attribute = Flags TLV (TLV 1170) of the BGP-LS IPv4/IPv6 Prefix NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16= #section-2.3.2]. The new ERLD MSD-type introduced for IS-IS by this = document is advertised using the Node MSD TLV (TLV 266) of BGP-LS Node = NLRI Attribute = [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05= #section-3].

 

I am copying the IDR WG and authors of the BGP-LS ERLD = draft as well for their inputs/feedback.

 

Thanks,

Ketan

 

From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: 25 July 2019 = 16:28
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] IETF 105 LSR = Working Group Meeting Minutes

 

I think we had some = very good discussions in our sessions this week. I=E2=80=99ve uploaded = the minutes for the both LSR sessions on Monday. Thanks much to Yingzhen = Qu for taking them.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-lsr-= 00

 

Thanks,
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IETF Friday (7/26/2019 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:11:09 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01D54357.5D7A9CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to IETF Friday: At RFC editor: (statistics for just this week) draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27 - 333 days (REF status) draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 - 66 days draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16 - 21 days draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 - 16 days Schedule for IESG Telechat . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 Revision in process due to AD Comments/discussion (fast track for re-submission) . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12 . draft-ietf-optimal-route-refresh-12 - Both of these drafts have implementations and implementation reports. Drafts past WG LC with implementations and shepherd report. . draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 - All Comments resolves. Security meeting did not indicate any additional changes. New tunnel encapsulation TLVs will go in additional drafts. Past WG LC - consensus reached . draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change [6/9-6/23] - extended to 7/24/2019. Since John Scudder is a co-author, I would like a strong support for this registry change. Please continue to send in comments regarding this draft. WG LC: . draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 (7/9 to 7/23) - extended to 8/6/2019, and sent to Grow. o Bruno Decraene - noticed two error (7/25/2019 mail) . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 [7/25 to 8/8/2019) o Strong initial support came in within 12 hours. . draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-10.txt o IPR poll complete, in Shepherd 2nd review to determine if -10.txt addresses Shepherd's comments. . draft-ietf-ext-opt-param-05.txt - o WG LC requires: New draft and Shepherd's review o IPR poll will start once -06.txt is submitted. Adoptions: . draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00 - in IPR poll . Draft-merciaz-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode-02.txt - in IPR poll . draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 Adoption request waiting for re-spin of draft: o draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt - waiting for -03.txt version Early Allocations: The following early allocations were delayed to an error by Susan Hares. IANA has been notified and will help us stream line these allocations. o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr, o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo, o draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-sbfd-extensions, o draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext o draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nv03 Please check your early allocations. If any of the allocations has not been processed, Please send me a note. I will be following up on all early allocation requests with Alvaro and IANA next week. I apologize for my error. Charter and Issues: o charter text sent (7/25) for discussion on 7/26 at IDR session. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/x5iO1SQzu8e5iLH-a7f_4pzqo5k The IETF charter will state our general area. The WG chairs will use our Milestones to indicate the priority of work. We'll review the charter text at our meeting. o Issues Initial list of issues sent on (7/23/2017). The following are issues WG members have suggested. The chairs that we will discuss to turn into our milestones. . IPSEC VPN technology . Auto-* (auto-configuration, auto-discovery, .) . BGP Security . BGP protocol updates - Removal and additions . E-BGP enhancements . Yang modules . Additional Tunnel encapsulation features . Flow specifications . Wide Communities and bigger communities . BGP LS additions . Segment Routing using BGP . Next-Hop Encodings . Dynamic provisioning of address families . BGP persistence . Improving BGP Resiliency . Faster registry handling We start the discussion this morning at IDR WG. The IDR session first session is 10:00-12:00 in the Viger Room. The second session is 12:20-13:50 in the Viger room. Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01D54357.5D7A9CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Welcome to IETF Friday:

 

At RFC editor: =  (statistics for just this week)

= draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27   = - 333 days (REF status)

draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe-19 = – 66 days

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext<= span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-16 –  21 days =  

draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 – 16 days =

 

Schedule for IESG = Telechat

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-30 

 

Revision in process due to AD Comments/discussion = (fast track for re-submission)

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12 =

·         = draft-ietf-optimal-route-refresh-12  -

 

Both  of these drafts have implementations and = implementation reports.

 

 

Drafts past = WG LC with implementations and shepherd = report.

·         = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-13 – All Comments resolves.  Security meeting = did not indicate any additional changes.

New tunnel = encapsulation TLVs will go in additional drafts.  =

 

Past WG LC – consensus reached =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change [6/9-6/23] = – extended to 7/24/2019. =

Since John = Scudder is a co-author, I would like a strong support for this registry = change.

Please = continue to send in comments regarding this draft. =

 

WG LC:

·         = draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-04 (7/9 to 7/23) – = extended to 8/6/2019, and sent to Grow.

o   Bruno Decraene – noticed two error (7/25/2019 = mail)

 

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05 [<= span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white'>7/25 to = 8/8/2019)  

o    Strong = initial support came in within 12 hours.

 

·         = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-10.txt  

o   IPR poll complete, in = Shepherd 2nd review to determine if -10.txt  addresses = Shepherd’s comments.

 

·         = draft-ietf-ext-opt-param-05.txt - =

o   = WG LC requires:  New draft and = Shepherd’s review

o   = IPR poll will start once -06.txt is submitted. =

 

Adoptions:

·         = draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-00 – in IPR poll

·         = Draft-merciaz-i= dr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode-02.txt – in IPR poll =

·         = draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-= 05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

Adoption request waiting for = re-spin of draft:

o   = draft-wu-idr-bg= p-segment-allocation-ext-02.txt – waiting for -03.txt version =  

 

Early Allocations: =

The following = early allocations were delayed to an error by Susan = Hares.

IANA has been = notified and will help us stream line these allocations. =

o   = draft-ietf-idr-= bgp-ls-app-specific-attr,

o   draft-ietf-idr-= bgp-ls-flex-algo,

o   = draft-ietf-idr-= bgpls-sbfd-extensions,

o   = draft-ietf-idr-= bgpls-srv6-ext

o   = draft-ietf-idr-= flowspec-nv03

 

Please check = your early allocations.  If any of the allocations has not been = processed,

Please send me = a note.  I will be following up on all early allocation requests = with Alvaro and

IANA next = week.    I apologize for my error. =

 

Charter and = Issues:

o   charter text = sent (7/25) for discussion on 7/26 at IDR session.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/x5iO1SQzu8e5iLH-a7f_4pzqo= 5k

 

The IETF charter = will state our general area.   The WG chairs will use our =

Milestones to indicate the priority of = work.  We’ll review the charter text at our meeting. =

 

o   Issues Initial = list of issues sent on (7/23/2017).  

 

  &nb= sp;        The following are issues = WG members have suggested.

  &nb= sp;         The chairs that = we will discuss to turn into our milestones.

 

•       = IPSEC VPN = technology

•       = Auto-* = (auto-configuration, auto-discovery, …)

•       = BGP Security =

•       = BGP protocol = updates – Removal and additions

•       = E-BGP = enhancements

•       = Yang modules =

•       = Additional = Tunnel encapsulation features

•       = Flow = specifications

•       = Wide = Communities and bigger communities

•       = BGP LS = additions

•       = Segment = Routing using BGP

•       = Next-Hop = Encodings

•       = Dynamic = provisioning of address families

•       = BGP = persistence

•       = Improving BGP = Resiliency

•       = Faster = registry handling

 

     &n= bsp;    We start the discussion this morning at IDR WG. =

 

The IDR = session first session is 10:00-12:00 in the Viger Room.  The second = session is 12:20-13:50 in the Viger room.

 

Susan = Hares

 

 

 

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Chatting with the chairs yesterday there was a suggestion that we might change (relax) the allocation policy for the registries. This draft is a straw man to do that. Discuss! Best, Adrian -- Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages . Tales from the Wood . More Tales from the Wood . Tales from Beyond the Wood . Tales from the Castle Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ Or buy a signed copy from me by post *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2019-07-26 Abstract: RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for all of the registries to "Expert Review." 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--000000000000298d31058e9592d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Adrian, When a registry is Expert Review, the normal flow is that requests are sent to IANA who selects an Expert from the pool of Expert. The Expert evaluates the request and returns an approval/disapproval. IANA then assigned the code point(s) or not. The general escape mechanism for denial of service attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to the IESG. See the last paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126: IANA always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or intervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encounter issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where registration requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusual or abusive. Generally speaking, the IESG is considered to be a permanent body while, notwithstanding the apparent immortality of the IDR WG, Working Groups are considered to be ephemeral. Thus the provision in this draft naming the IDR Working Group seems problematic to me. The way this is handled for DNS, where community discussion is desired of requests for RRTYPE assignments, is to name a specific mailing list that the request must be posted to. Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.1 and Appendix A of RFC 6895.) So, I think the draft is a good idea but needs some tweaking based on the above. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi team IDR, > > I'm one of the two Designated Experts for these registries. > > Chatting with the chairs yesterday there was a suggestion that we might > change (relax) the allocation policy for the registries. > > This draft is a straw man to do that. > > Discuss! > > Best, > Adrian > -- > Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages > .. Tales from the Wood > .. More Tales from the Wood > .. Tales from Beyond the Wood > .. Tales from the Castle > Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ > Or buy a signed copy from me by post > *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2019-07-26 > > Abstract: > RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA > created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a > number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for > those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. > > This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for > all of the registries to "Expert Review." > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --000000000000298d31058e9592d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adrian,

When a registry is Expert Review, the no= rmal flow is that requests are sent to IANA who selects an Expert from the = pool of Expert. The Expert evaluates the request and returns an approval/di= sapproval. IANA then assigned the code point(s) or not. The general escape = mechanism for denial of service attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to= the IESG. See the last paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0IANA= always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in= tervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encounter
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where regis= tration
=C2=A0 =C2=A0requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusu= al or abusive.
Generally speaking, the IESG is considered t= o be a permanent body while, notwithstanding the apparent immortality of th= e IDR WG, Working Groups are considered to be ephemeral. Thus the provision= in this draft naming the IDR Working Group seems problematic to me. The wa= y this is handled for DNS, where community discussion is desired of request= s for RRTYPE assignments, is to name a specific mailing list that the reque= st must be posted to. Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.1 and = Appendix A of RFC 6895.)

So, I think the draft is a good= idea but needs some tweaking based on the above.

Thanks,
Do= nald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-3= 33-2270 (cell)
=C2=A01424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
=C2= =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Fri, = Jul 26, 2019 at 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi team IDR,
&g= t;
> I'm one of the two Designated Experts for these registries.<= br>>
> Chatting with the chairs yesterday there was a suggestion t= hat we might
> change (relax) the allocation policy for the registrie= s.
>
> This draft is a straw man to do that.
>
> Di= scuss!
>
> Best,
> Adrian
> --
> Read some fa= iry stories for adults of all ages
> .. Tales from the Wood
> .= . More Tales from the Wood
> .. Tales from Beyond the Wood
> ..= Tales from the Castle
> Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/
&= gt; Or buy a signed copy from me by post
> *** Stop me in the corrido= r at IETF-105 to get a copy ***
>
>
>
> -----Origin= al Message-----
> From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of
= > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Subject: I-D Action: draft-= farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt
>
>
> A New Internet-Dr= aft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
&= gt;
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border
> Gat= eway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries
> =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Adrian Farr= el
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 4
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: 2019-07-26
&g= t;
> Abstract:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway P= rotocol - Link State (BGP-LS).=C2=A0 IANA
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0created a re= gistry consistent with that document called the "Border
> =C2=A0= =C2=A0Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" wit= h a
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0number of sub-registries.=C2=A0 The allocation pol= icy applied by IANA for
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0those policies is "Specif= ication Required" as defined in RFC 8126.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2= =A0This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for
= > =C2=A0 =C2=A0all of the registries to "Expert Review."
&g= t;
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
&= gt; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/<= /a>
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00
>= ; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-= registry-00
>
>
> Please note that it may take a coup= le of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized versio= n and diff are available at tools.ietf.or= g.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP = at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.= org/internet-drafts/
>
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>
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--000000000000298d31058e9592d2-- From nobody Fri Jul 26 07:01:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A291512003E for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RbJkwhVo8_TV for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FAE5120024 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id s7so104855577iob.11 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+UxOUl9pmHP1jQI1YQqNxQGVpxLGOwddZDFmJl8xWMs=; b=mcWZ/IoqMhZT1YBeqKeja70LLCwJAKWvLRAXFYecGYniwBLUKhbBrnu0Tb3qrC2TNF IPicr6lpRd0LToBqtOl2MucMs22AYNf+xdm5pcojOyis/kkPlJ39VdZpCNGVgb0ZQxEU oE8aK07p4BTA7kvS5D/vvCPp/5H85zoXGuQgU9LN2VrzcQfOhRS3RkXuVYSRLP8wNpcM gjGjGVClejn5Z8+CjHPlko8Gc6ELfynoao7TpWyWn4XCkXrlnRYxcp43tTV9nanxLh57 5NwQwcYwxI18iYLO/1kUA79xxguUdUafCH96RhgDK0tTHMd14EpFXIhe4grgKhoC4TcO fJjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+UxOUl9pmHP1jQI1YQqNxQGVpxLGOwddZDFmJl8xWMs=; b=jYD02+W5SV3gYm3igPt9tb9A2MCQPkM6trvr6QTjUpgsRmSX+WXWfNiv7p9dLtOpou D+Z3FEkxy+1DhxzNtoEMSGM3wnM2iRY4nMqv0muHJGojjdbgmUq46biNk+JI/RERm68d w0iCqKMt9r87cnm8GyRFs3J6SUplTBRd0PmhYcQUsTuqTWdoqda6CG4BOrit8/C7Z2ME r6yEwC6aUVZ8wW8O40+HG5nUvm79+LG5n7Ybv7j50OvDfXiov0VCgBmfA8L/oxS6uHV5 Gy4MvzqcPgEDjEnSvuGTjvSgvbvtsH9eav34KsRYXIrzSkM+fQYymkKxHtcFBp9fzaam 8iVw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXlm5olmkNPYvQQGdCu9MxLr2qAWCesMfekP0j6Bj1l3bpslD6X GmetKP0SPuaRm3knCi69pf4CaO+xZZ8fEIHvuJE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzvCyPOlmwY2p+H85IsGssJJV0ySZH24Jf5m8SO5vWe9jx71NwWIqECGqYK+dA1mIP0L4D2zAvqgFJNw4ZXdok= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:c744:: with SMTP id g4mr84946157iop.187.1564149700172; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0ab001d543a8$a2fbdf00$e8f39d00$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:01:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adrian Farrel Cc: idr wg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000412071058e95fb57" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Changing the allocation policy for the BGP-LS registries X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:01:44 -0000 --000000000000412071058e95fb57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Adrian, Sorry to respond to my own mail but looking into this further, in particular to the IANA Considerations of RFC 3748 and 3575 which are referenced as example by RFC 8126, the formula for getting around the problem I mentioned is to reference the WG mailing list, rather than the WG itself, and to provide that a successor mailing list can be designated by the AD. So in this case, the formula would be: The Designated expert will post a request to the IDR WG mailing list (or a successor designated by the Area Director) for comment and review, including an Internet-Draft. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > When a registry is Expert Review, the normal flow is that requests are > sent to IANA who selects an Expert from the pool of Expert. The Expert > evaluates the request and returns an approval/disapproval. IANA then > assigned the code point(s) or not. The general escape mechanism for denial > of service attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to the IESG. See the > last paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126: > > IANA always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or > intervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where > policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encounter > issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where registration > requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusual or abusive. > > > Generally speaking, the IESG is considered to be a permanent body while, > notwithstanding the apparent immortality of the IDR WG, Working Groups are > considered to be ephemeral. Thus the provision in this draft naming the IDR > Working Group seems problematic to me. The way this is handled for DNS, > where community discussion is desired of requests for RRTYPE assignments, > is to name a specific mailing list that the request must be posted to. > Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.1 and Appendix A of RFC > 6895.) > > So, I think the draft is a good idea but needs some tweaking based on the > above. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > > > > Hi team IDR, > > > > I'm one of the two Designated Experts for these registries. > > > > Chatting with the chairs yesterday there was a suggestion that we might > > change (relax) the allocation policy for the registries. > > > > This draft is a straw man to do that. > > > > Discuss! > > > > Best, > > Adrian > > -- > > Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages > > .. Tales from the Wood > > .. More Tales from the Wood > > .. Tales from Beyond the Wood > > .. Tales from the Castle > > Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ > > Or buy a signed copy from me by post > > *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of > > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > > > Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border > > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries > > Author : Adrian Farrel > > Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > > Pages : 4 > > Date : 2019-07-26 > > > > Abstract: > > RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA > > created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border > > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a > > number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for > > those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. > > > > This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for > > all of the registries to "Expert Review." > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --000000000000412071058e95fb57 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adrian,

Sorry to respond to my own mail but looking into this further, in par= ticular to the IANA Considerations of RFC 3748 and 3575 which are reference= d as example by RFC 8126, the formula for getting around the problem I ment= ioned is to reference the WG mailing list, rather than the WG itself, and t= o provide that a successor mailing list can be designated by the AD. So in = this case, the formula would be:

The Designated expert will post a request to the IDR W=
G mailing list (or a successor designated by the Area Director) for comment=
 and review, including an Internet-Draft.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0142= 4 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
=
Hi Adrian,

When a registry is Expert Review, the no= rmal flow is that requests are sent to IANA who selects an Expert from the = pool of Expert. The Expert evaluates the request and returns an approval/di= sapproval. IANA then assigned the code point(s) or not. The general escape = mechanism for denial of service attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to= the IESG. See the last paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126:

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0IANA always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0intervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encount= er
=C2=A0 =C2=A0issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where= registration
=C2=A0 =C2=A0requests or patterns of requests appear to be= unusual or abusive.

Generally speaking, the IESG is consid= ered to be a permanent body while, notwithstanding the apparent immortality= of the IDR WG, Working Groups are considered to be ephemeral. Thus the pro= vision in this draft naming the IDR Working Group seems problematic to me. = The way this is handled for DNS, where community discussion is desired of r= equests for RRTYPE assignments, is to name a specific mailing list that the= request must be posted to. Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.= 1 and Appendix A of RFC 6895.)

So, I think the draft is = a good idea but needs some tweaking based on the above.

Thanks,=
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1= -508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A01424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA<= br>=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail= .com

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk&g= t; wrote:
>
> Hi team IDR,
>
> I'm one of the t= wo Designated Experts for these registries.
>
> Chatting with t= he chairs yesterday there was a suggestion that we might
> change (re= lax) the allocation policy for the registries.
>
> This draft i= s a straw man to do that.
>
> Discuss!
>
> Best,> Adrian
> --
> Read some fairy stories for adults of all a= ges
> .. Tales from the Wood
> .. More Tales from the Wood
&= gt; .. Tales from Beyond the Wood
> .. Tales from the Castle
> = Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/
> Or buy a = signed copy from me by post
> *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105= to get a copy ***
>
>
>
> -----Original Message---= --
> From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf O= f
> int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.or= g
> Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt<= br>>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Updates to the All= ocation Policy for the Border
> Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS= ) Parameters Registries
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Adrian Farrel
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-= 00.txt
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 : 4
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: 2019-07-26
>
> Abstract:
> =C2= =A0 =C2=A0RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS).= =C2=A0 IANA
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0created a registry consistent with that do= cument called the "Border
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gateway Protocol - Link= State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0numbe= r of sub-registries.=C2=A0 The allocation policy applied by IANA for
>= ; =C2=A0 =C2=A0those policies is "Specification Required" as defi= ned in RFC 8126.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document updates RFC 775= 2 by changing the allocation policy for
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0all of the reg= istries to "Expert Review."
>
>
> The IETF data= tracker status page for this draft is:
> https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dr= aft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00
>
>
> Please note t= hat it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> unt= il the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Dra= fts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-draf= ts/
>
> _______________________________________________
= > I-D-Announce mailing list
> I-D-Announce@ietf.org
> https://www.= ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce
> Internet-Draft directori= es: http://ww= w.ietf.org/shadow.html
> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.tx= t
>
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A habit of the old: they choose = the wisest person present to speak to; the long explanations needed by = the young are wearying.=E2=80=9D =20 Thanks, Donald, =20 I have tried to capture something of this order in the -01 just posted. =20 A =20 =20 From: Donald Eastlake =20 Sent: 26 July 2019 15:01 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] Changing the allocation policy for the BGP-LS = registries =20 Hi Adrian, =20 Sorry to respond to my own mail but looking into this further, in = particular to the IANA Considerations of RFC 3748 and 3575 which are = referenced as example by RFC 8126, the formula for getting around the = problem I mentioned is to reference the WG mailing list, rather than the = WG itself, and to provide that a successor mailing list can be = designated by the AD. So in this case, the formula would be: =20 The Designated expert will post a request to the IDR WG mailing list (or = a successor designated by the Area Director) for comment and review, = including an Internet-Draft. =20 Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Donald Eastlake > wrote: Hi Adrian, When a registry is Expert Review, the normal flow is that requests are = sent to IANA who selects an Expert from the pool of Expert. The Expert = evaluates the request and returns an approval/disapproval. IANA then = assigned the code point(s) or not. The general escape mechanism for = denial of service attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to the IESG. = See the last paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126: IANA always has the discretion to ask the IESG for advice or intervention when they feel it is needed, such as in cases where policies or procedures are unclear to them, where they encounter issues or questions they are unable to resolve, or where registration requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusual or abusive. Generally speaking, the IESG is considered to be a permanent body while, = notwithstanding the apparent immortality of the IDR WG, Working Groups = are considered to be ephemeral. Thus the provision in this draft naming = the IDR Working Group seems problematic to me. The way this is handled = for DNS, where community discussion is desired of requests for RRTYPE = assignments, is to name a specific mailing list that the request must be = posted to. Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.1 and Appendix = A of RFC 6895.) =20 So, I think the draft is a good idea but needs some tweaking based on = the above. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com =20 On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel > wrote: > > Hi team IDR, > > I'm one of the two Designated Experts for these registries. > > Chatting with the chairs yesterday there was a suggestion that we = might > change (relax) the allocation policy for the registries. > > This draft is a straw man to do that. > > Discuss! > > Best, > Adrian > -- > Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages > .. Tales from the Wood > .. More Tales from the Wood > .. Tales from Beyond the Wood > .. Tales from the Castle > Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ > Or buy a signed copy from me by post > *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce > On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 > Sent: 26 July 2019 11:47 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org =20 > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the = Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2019-07-26 > > Abstract: > RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). = IANA > created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a > number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA = for > those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. > > This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy = for > all of the registries to "Expert Review." > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00= > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------=_NextPart_000_0B04_01D543C8.027AA550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=E2=80=9CI was talking aloud to myself. A habit of the old: they choose the wisest person = present to speak to; the long explanations needed by = the young are wearying.=E2=80=9D

 

Thanks, = Donald,

 

I have = tried to capture something of this order in the -01 just = posted.

 

A

 

 

From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Sent: = 26 July 2019 15:01
To: Adrian Farrel = <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: idr wg = <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Changing the = allocation policy for the BGP-LS registries

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Sorry to respond to my own mail but looking into this = further, in particular to the IANA Considerations of RFC 3748 and 3575 = which are referenced as example by RFC 8126, the formula for getting = around the problem I mentioned is to reference the WG mailing list, = rather than the WG itself, and to provide that a successor mailing list = can be designated by the AD. So in this case, the formula would = be:

 

The Designated =
expert will post a request to the IDR WG mailing list (or a successor =
designated by the Area Director) for comment and review, including an =
Internet-Draft.
 

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 Donald= E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 1424 Pro Shop = Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
 d3e3e3@gmail.com

 

 

On = Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Adrian,

When a registry is = Expert Review, the normal flow is that requests are sent to IANA who = selects an Expert from the pool of Expert. The Expert evaluates the = request and returns an approval/disapproval. IANA then assigned the code = point(s) or not. The general escape mechanism for denial of service = attacks or other abuse is for IANA to go to the IESG. See the last = paragraph of Section 3.3 of RFC 8126:

   IANA always has the discretion to ask the = IESG for advice or
   intervention when they feel it is = needed, such as in cases where
   policies or procedures = are unclear to them, where they encounter
   issues or = questions they are unable to resolve, or where registration
  =  requests or patterns of requests appear to be unusual or = abusive.


Generally = speaking, the IESG is considered to be a permanent body while, = notwithstanding the apparent immortality of the IDR WG, Working Groups = are considered to be ephemeral. Thus the provision in this draft naming = the IDR Working Group seems problematic to me. The way this is handled = for DNS, where community discussion is desired of requests for RRTYPE = assignments, is to name a specific mailing list that the request must be = posted to. Mailing lists can be immortal. (See Sections 3.1 and Appendix = A of RFC 6895.)

 

So, I think the draft is a good idea but needs some = tweaking based on the above.


Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 1424 Pro = Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
 d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at = 7:53 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi = team IDR,
>
> I'm one of the two Designated Experts for = these registries.
>
> Chatting with the chairs yesterday = there was a suggestion that we might
> change (relax) the = allocation policy for the registries.
>
> This draft is a = straw man to do that.
>
> Discuss!
>
> = Best,
> Adrian
> --
> Read some fairy stories for = adults of all ages
> .. Tales from the Wood
> .. More Tales = from the Wood
> .. Tales from Beyond the Wood
> .. Tales = from the Castle
> Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/
> = Or buy a signed copy from me by post
> *** Stop me in the corridor = at IETF-105 to get a copy ***
>
>
>
> = -----Original Message-----
> From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of
> internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 26 July = 2019 11:47
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Subject: I-D Action: = draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt
>
>
> A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> = directories.
>
>
>         Title =           : Updates to the Allocation Policy = for the Border
> Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters = Registries
>         Author     =      : Adrian Farrel
>         = Filename        : = draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt
>       =   Pages           : 4
>   =       Date            : = 2019-07-26
>
> Abstract:
>    RFC 7752 = defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS).  = IANA
>    created a registry consistent with that = document called the "Border
>    Gateway Protocol - = Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a
>   =  number of sub-registries.  The allocation policy applied by = IANA for
>    those policies is "Specification = Required" as defined in RFC 8126.
>
>    This = document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for
> =    all of the registries to "Expert = Review."
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page = for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-l= s-registry/
>
> There are also htmlized versions = available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-reg= istry-00
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-= bgp-ls-registry-00
>
>
> Please note that it may = take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the = htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts = are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
>= _______________________________________________
> I-D-Announce = mailing list
> I-D-Announce@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce<= br>> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html
> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt
>> _______________________________________________
> Idr = mailing list
> Idr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr

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Donald pointed out a concern with the guidance to the DE. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 26 July 2019 15:35 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2019-07-26 Abstract: RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for all of the registries to "Expert Review." The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Fri Jul 26 07:44:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2087E120059 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bX6gm-dgvHZK for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE16C120089 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4300E1E2F3; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:46:25 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190726144625.GP28302@pfrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Question on IETF 105 presentation on draft-zhu-idr-bgp-ls-path-mtu X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:44:41 -0000 Here are my two questions for clarification: 1. A common problem in networks is Link Aggregate Group (LAG) component links that have MTU mis-matches. Is there a way to use this mechanism to help detect this condition? 2. There is a draft in BFD, draft-ietf-bfd-large-packets, that provides a mechanism to test MTU. Are you aware of this draft? 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Just because of a misalignment between "permanent archival/availability" as= pect and this text related to I-Ds that say they are "temporary", we should= not fall back to Expert Review. Specification Required includes Expert Rev= iew. Why can't RFC8126 be fixed to say that for the purpose of Specification Req= uired, the I-Ds are acceptable. We definitely do need defined TLVs and docu= mentation of their usage. Otherwise, things can get chaotic. Please excuse my ignorance of the IANA/IETF procedures and correct me. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 26 July 2019 10:40 To: 'idr wg' Subject: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Hi, jgs spotted some typos (I didn't have time to run spell check before this m= orning). Donald pointed out a concern with the guidance to the DE. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-dr= afts@ietf.org Sent: 26 July 2019 15:35 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2019-07-26 Abstract: RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for all of the registries to "Expert Review." The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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26 09:40:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E1E120359; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156415924134.7743.4614595734103115892@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:40:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:40:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Extended Optional Parameters Length for BGP OPEN Message Authors : Enke Chen John Scudder Filename : draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2019-07-26 Abstract: The Optional Parameters in the BGP OPEN message as defined in the base BGP specification are limited to 255 octets due to a one-octet length field. BGP Capabilities are carried in this field and may foreseeably exceed 255 octets in the future, leading to concern about this limitation. In this document we update RFC 4271 by extending the BGP OPEN length field in a backward-compatible manner. The Parameter Length field of individual Optional Parameters is similarly extended. 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Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 207.115.96.130 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24804.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--32.057-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--32.057-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24804.000 X-TMASE-Result: 10--32.057500-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: jFqw+1pFnMweimh1YYHcKHFPUrVDm6jtekMgTOQbVFshhinnYz32Ykg9 oIEl5+Xgguo6jdL62F8r6x2u8/a0KPUWuHlgOr4b4MrrDfG1YogHgh3sKJBzPyNBWGZQkFR8LOr nEveTxrvuaIINGihz7+TPthZ3iYU4KdFDPGM5RCC5Xsf6ykoeE+DTYjejIZTwF55N1tH/HwhJcB XvKYkUg8q0YAX9pWYdQZth5Ml6nDW8JA1vjfBQiJDVKd6th34Qv+Qg1T/0LH5SasGAkNQYrFiqA yk7LkbkwU/xqV35aDSO0joadW8QGlzwZOz5IWNfWnQHHkRrIIX4qCLIu0mtIAbYcy9YQl6eo9Wa 4y0zn8/ZNoMZfQFtO+ypoNloSuEKolMbrItxSe3tP6Pv+A+w8/XuWpt5ue19e1OjQ/WyxP79gRa xWZjuWNPDna39iaW9zzX1CfyBw5t486MriXIMeEsh+mzT1UnbOhJ9m53n4aBetEe1EXuPlCj53a EB5qDLTdSH9orMuitVP8kEFSBLJIDVR1zNwvHuOUWbqnaOytq8Nh50Bvk6wJLBwsVwuMFlPyeUi 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And you are right that = one way to get the effect we want is to change (or clarify) 8126 so that = I-Ds can be considered permanent records. There are those in the community who consider this to already be the = case. There are some who say that the Designated Expert can make this = judgement for a Specification Required registry. There are some who say = "over my dead body!" 8126 is an IETF wide document and we can expect making an IETF consensus = change to be slow under the best of circumstances. In the case where = there is division, we can achieve what we want by just changing the = policy for our own registry. Path of least resistance (TM). Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) =20 Sent: 27 July 2019 00:11 To: John Scudder Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; idr wg Subject: RE: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Hi John, I have absolutely no issue (and completely agree) with the text that = Adrian has proposed for the DE guidelines in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01= #section-2.1 and I do defer to his expertise & experience on this. = (Adrian, now it is in writing =F0=9F=98=89) My only point was that we are changing the policy from Specification = Required to Expert Review only because of this bit about IDs not being = "permanent". As such it perhaps needs a broader look from IANA and as = advised by Alvaro, I will share this feedback with them. The point regarding process overheads and additional gatekeepers that = you referred to was with the Early Allocation Process defined in = RFC7120. However, I believe we are talking "allocation" under = Specification Required and not "early allocation" - so the process = described in RFC7120 does not apply? I somehow got the impression that = RFC7120 was more about the schemes that were more stringent that = Specification Required as described in RFC8126. I may be wrong. In any case, I have no issues with the proposal on table and I will just = share my feedback with IANA for them to review. Thanks, Ketan=20 -----Original Message----- From: John Scudder =20 Sent: 26 July 2019 13:05 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; idr wg Subject: Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Hi Ketan, I am hoping our hallway conversation after the meeting resolved your = concern, but if it didn=E2=80=99t please follow up. Regards, =E2=80=94John > On Jul 26, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) = wrote: >=20 > Hello Adrian, >=20 > IMO Specification Required is still the right and correct mechanism - = we do need a specification that is available permanently! >=20 > Just because of a misalignment between "permanent = archival/availability" aspect and this text related to I-Ds that say = they are "temporary", we should not fall back to Expert Review. = Specification Required includes Expert Review. >=20 > Why can't RFC8126 be fixed to say that for the purpose of = Specification Required, the I-Ds are acceptable. We definitely do need = defined TLVs and documentation of their usage. Otherwise, things can get = chaotic. >=20 > Please excuse my ignorance of the IANA/IETF procedures and correct me. >=20 > Thanks, > Ketan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: 26 July 2019 10:40 > To: 'idr wg' > Subject: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries >=20 > Hi, >=20 > jgs spotted some typos (I didn't have time to run spell check before = this morning). > Donald pointed out a concern with the guidance to the DE. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of=20 > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 26 July 2019 15:35 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the = Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2019-07-26 >=20 > Abstract: > RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). = IANA > created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a > number of sub-registries. 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I just discovered that we also have to define who has change control over the registry (that is, who can make changes to the allocation policy). That's easy: it's the IDR chairs for the WG (or any successors). Chairs: Shall we debate adopting and proceeding with this? (For the record - I know of no IPR that might apply) Cheers, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 27 July 2019 01:02 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2019-07-26 Abstract: RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a number of sub-registries. The allocation policy applied by IANA for those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126. This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for all of the registries to "Expert Review" and by updating the guidance to the Designated Experts. 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Howe= ver, I believe we are talking "allocation" under Specification Required and= not "early allocation" - so the process described in RFC7120 does not appl= y? I somehow got the impression that RFC7120 was more about the schemes tha= t were more stringent that Specification Required as described in RFC8126. = I may be wrong. First sentence of the Abstract of RFC 7120: This memo describes the process for early allocation of code points by IANA from registries for which "Specification Required", "RFC Required", "IETF Review", or "Standards Action" policies apply. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. 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BYAPR11MB3430 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.25, xch-aln-015.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-9.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 00:30:19 -0000 --_000_BYAPR11MB3638425630A410B6CF45C7D3C1C20BYAPR11MB3638namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. This is necessary to support calculation of constrained paths that can be s= upported by a given network. Les From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 2:34 PM To: idr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05.txt This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@iet= f.org which you = can download at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/ In your comments, indicate the following: 1. "Support" or "no support" for publication at this time, 2. Do you feel this draft will help aid in operational networks? 3. Is the technology ready for standardization? Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_BYAPR11MB3638425630A410B6CF45C7D3C1C20BYAPR11MB3638namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 

This is necessary to support calculation of constrai= ned paths that can be supported by a given network.

 

    Les

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 2:34 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-05= .txt

 

This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd@ietf.org which you can downlo= ad at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd/

 

In your comments, indicate the following:

 

  1. “Support” or “no support” for publication at = this time,
  2. Do you feel this draft will help aid in operational n= etworks?
  3. Is the technology ready for standardization?

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

--_000_BYAPR11MB3638425630A410B6CF45C7D3C1C20BYAPR11MB3638namp_-- From nobody Sun Jul 28 23:46:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D15E1200F6; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3G_NulBEJ5o7; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5621200DF; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.11]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45xqw02pKPzBy7n; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.32]) by opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45xqw01pj7zCqjy; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::90fe:7dc1:fb15:a02b]) by OPEXCAUBM7C.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:46:08 +0200 From: To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' CC: "draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 Thread-Index: AdVDNEztQlHNN16HSsaB/y8jT7PatACpNb6A Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 06:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1653_1564382768_5D3E9630_1653_392_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924D9C7A20@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <041d01d54334$c686efb0$5394cf10$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <041d01d54334$c686efb0$5394cf10$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924D9C7A20OPEXCAUBMA3corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 06:46:12 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924D9C7A20OPEXCAUBMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support, It solves real problems for some address-families even if people should tak= e care of side effects in some deployments. Very useful and deployed. From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 18:03 To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence= -05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-= 05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019. The authors have indicated that there are already multiple implementations = of this draft. The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC. Please indicate in your comments: a) "support" or "no support", b) Any concerns about the technology, and c) Any benefits for BGP deployments. Cheerily, Susan Hares ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924D9C7A20OPEXCAUBMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support,

 

It solves real problem= s for some address-families even if people should take care of side effects= in some deployments.

Very useful and deploy= ed.

 

From: Idr [mai= lto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 18:03
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-pers= istence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-utta= ro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019.

 

The authors have indicated that there are already mu= ltiple implementations of this draft.    The draft may rapid= ly go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please indicate in your comments:

a)      “support” or “no support”, =

b)      Any concerns about the technology, and <= /p>

c)     &= nbsp; Any benefits for BGP deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

______________________________________________________________________=
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The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC. > =20 > Please indicate in your comments: > a) =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D, > b) Any concerns about the technology, and > c) Any benefits for BGP deployments. > =20 > Cheerily, Susan Hares > __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confide= ntielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez rec= u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages e= lectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou= falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged in= formation that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and del= ete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been= modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --Apple-Mail-A5904704-EF16-43A5-B867-CA37856B8A69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28= , 2019, at 11:46 PM, <st= ephane.litkowski@orange.com> <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

=

Support,

 

It solves real problems= for some address-families even if people should take care of side effects i= n some deployments.

Very useful and deploye= d.

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 18:03
To: 'idr wg'
Cc: draf= t-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persi= stence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-uttar= o-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019.

 

The authors have indicated that there are already mul= tiple implementations of this draft.    The draft may rapidly= go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please indicate in your comments:

a)      =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support= =E2=80=9D,

b)      Any concerns about the technology, and

c)     &= nbsp; Any benefits for BGP deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

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Hi,

Assume LLGR has been negotiated and= routes have been exchanged with LLGR community. The retention timer is loo= ong.=C2=A0

While I am happy to see that suggestion= s to follow GR procedures have been used the draft is pretty silent on one = very important aspect - clearing persistent routes. GR procedures which rel= y on using GR time for it do not apply.=C2=A0

Imag= ine I want to bring such session down and I do want to remove all routes in= cluding those marked as LLGR. How do I do that ?=C2=A0

=
From current draft the only way seems to be to reestablish a session w= ith LLGR capability and readvertise subject routes with NO-LLGR community h= oping it will clear the former routes. But even here we are at the mercy of= local policy as per section 3.2 & 3.3=C2=A0

I= n any case that is pretty awkward method.=C2=A0

Th= en we just had a little thread regarding max prefix in GROW WG. New draft t= here actually relies on BGP NOTIFICATION MSG with CEASE error code to remov= e all routes making on purpose crossing a max prefix limit a drastic event = (of course unless warning only is set).

Bottom lin= e BGP here is used again as configuration tool not as dynamic routing proto= col. I do not think this type of use of BGP which should be endorsed.=C2=A0=

If this proposal moves fwd it should clearly spel= l how not only to retain the LLGR eligible prefixes but also how to cleanly= remove them when needed - way before they expire.=C2=A0

Kind regards,
R.=C2=A0
--000000000000577037058ecd6308-- From nobody Mon Jul 29 02:09:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A21C1200D7; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KbsvB4ldBldK; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C7AD120020; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitebug.nitenet.local (46.229.239.158.host.vnet.sk [46.229.239.158]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60E87240335; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:09:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1564391392; bh=tfazoXnG+91qhQTHhtXafa6UyewyPhIy/T6DxIFTkYQ=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=l1UZI6UGivL1h0JDbCgkr25fnG6y1UU57zixcwwtF7t8fVvlmZioP8DeP9dascFv4 nr6PSSjp/e/By67BAZDFwR7Z8Umzkdb+OZ8hSL8qWzlFqtw14FfEhycXXHvhkBgRrj 1bvtpCSc+kehHaqNeDHzKBINlr1ilp0j+Q99Lk3A= To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org, raysaikat@gmail.com, hannes@rtbrick.com References: <016601d53659$d5399e50$7facdaf0$@ndzh.com> <03be01d54333$61181920$23484b60$@ndzh.com> From: Robert Varga Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:09:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03be01d54333$61181920$23484b60$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XyXzapRs0jMF53TWPKHHIUUUFeme8PUyi" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:09:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --XyXzapRs0jMF53TWPKHHIUUUFeme8PUyi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PkguYJZVqGQPm8RRQked7VrqC2h9WGThb"; protected-headers="v1" From: Robert Varga To: Susan Hares , 'idr wg' Cc: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org, raysaikat@gmail.com, hannes@rtbrick.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Idr] IPR call for draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01.txt References: <016601d53659$d5399e50$7facdaf0$@ndzh.com> <03be01d54333$61181920$23484b60$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <03be01d54333$61181920$23484b60$@ndzh.com> --PkguYJZVqGQPm8RRQked7VrqC2h9WGThb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 25/07/2019 23:53, Susan Hares wrote: > Greetings: Hello Sue, > We are missing the following =A0IPR statements: =A0 >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Author: =A0Saikat Ray and Hannes Gredler >=20 > Contributor: Robert Varga Sorry to have missed this. 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This has been implemented for years. Regards, Jakob. From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 3:03 PM To: 'idr wg' Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence= -05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8 This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence-= 05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019. The authors have indicated that there are already multiple implementations = of this draft. The draft may rapidly go from WG Adoption to WG LC. Please indicate in your comments: 1. "support" or "no support", 2. Any concerns about the technology, and 3. Any benefits for BGP deployments. Cheerily, Susan Hares --_000_BYAPR11MB375168B0ECEB4FC16799A57CC0DC0BYAPR11MB3751namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support. This has been implemented for years= .

 

Regards,

Jakob.

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 3:03 PM
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-pers= istence-05.txt - 7/26 to 8/8

 

This begins a 2 week WG Adoption call for draft-utta= ro-idr-bgp-persistence-05.txt from 7/26/2019 to 8/8/2019.

 

The authors have indicated that there are already mu= ltiple implementations of this draft.    The draft may rapid= ly go from WG Adoption to WG LC.

 

Please indicate in your comments:

  1. “support” or “no support”,
  2. Any concerns about the technology, and
  3. Any benefits for BGP deployments.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

--_000_BYAPR11MB375168B0ECEB4FC16799A57CC0DC0BYAPR11MB3751namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 30 06:38:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D7A120182; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, jgs@juniper.net, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, jie.dong@huawei.com, idr-chairs@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Message-ID: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 06:37:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:38:00 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some comment on use of normative language: 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is not used correctly (sec 4): "A BGP speaker MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"): "A BGP speaker MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it crystal clear, e.g. "A BGP speaker MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." 2) sec 4: "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6.1)." If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use normative language here as well. I suggest s/MUST/will/ 3) sec 4: s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor/ and s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/ 4) sec 4 "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability." Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case? 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-0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:39:14 -0400 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:39:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, jgs@juniper.net, jie.dong@huawei.com, idr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000001e9ab058ee6f95b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:39:18 -0000 --00000000000001e9ab058ee6f95b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker ( noreply@ietf.org) wrote: Mirja: Hi! Thanks for your review. ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some comment on use of normative language: 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is not used correctly (sec 4): "A BGP speaker MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"): "A BGP speaker MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it crystal clear, e.g. "A BGP speaker MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was advertised by both peers." This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of clarifications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were discussed in Montreal last week. I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread with the aut= hors. 2) sec 4: "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6.1)." If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use normative language here as well. I suggest s/MUST/will/ 3) sec 4: s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor/ and s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/ All the actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified in rfc4271 (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so we sho= uld use non-Normative text in both cases. IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 should not be applied. Thanks!! Alvaro. 4) sec 4 "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability." Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case? --00000000000001e9ab058ee6f95b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChle= wind via Datatracker (noreply@ietf.org<= /a>) wrote:


--------------------------= -------------------------------------------=C2=A0
COMMENT:=C2=A0=
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Some comme= nt on use of normative language:=C2= =A0

1) I know what the intention is here but this normative l= anguage is not used correctly (sec 4):=C2=A0
"A BGP speaker= =C2=A0
MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended = Message=C2=A0
Capability wa= s advertised by both peers."=C2= =A0
This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"= ):=C2=A0
"A BGP speake= r=C2=A0
MUST only send Exte= nded Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=C2=A0
Capability was advertised by both peers."=C2=A0
Or you go for the MUST= NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it crystal clear, e.g.=C2=A0
"A BGP speaker=C2=A0
MUST NOT send Extended Messages= to a peer if the Extended Message=C2= =A0
Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker=C2=A0
MAY send Extended Messa= ges to a peer if the Extended Message= =C2=A0
Capability was advertised by both peers."=C2=A0

This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of clarif= ications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were discussed in Mon= treal last week.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread with the auth= ors.


All the actions on these two p= oints are in fact normatively specified in rfc4271 (which is the reason for= the specific references)=E2=80=A6so we should use non-Normative text in bo= th cases. =C2=A0

IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes s= uggested in #3 should not be applied.


Thanks!!

Alvar= o.



--00000000000001e9ab058ee6f95b-- From nobody Tue Jul 30 07:56:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B971200E7; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 07:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hJJz9Q56jmsw; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 712291200E0; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200116b82cf82f009860c8f8757e3ab5.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cf8:2f00:9860:c8f8:757e:3ab5]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1hsTYS-0004l3-HC; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:56:44 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:56:43 +0200 Cc: The IESG , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, jie.dong@huawei.com, idr@ietf.org, jgs@juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0AEC6478-C554-444A-924B-1705362697DC@kuehlewind.net> References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1564498613;d1dfefb3; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hsTYS-0004l3-HC Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:56:56 -0000 Hi Alvaro, See below. > On 30. Jul 2019, at 16:39, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker = (noreply@ietf.org) wrote: >=20 > Mirja: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > Thanks for your review. >=20 > ... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> COMMENT:=20 >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >>=20 >> Some comment on use of normative language:=20 >>=20 >> 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is = not used correctly (sec 4):=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 >> This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"):=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 >> Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it = crystal clear, e.g.=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker=20 >> MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 > This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of = clarifications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were = discussed in Montreal last week. I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread = with the authors. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> 2) sec 4:=20 >> "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received=20= >> by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message=20 >> Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and=20= >> MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad=20 >> Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6..1)."=20 >> If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use = normative language here as well.=20 >> I suggest s/MUST/will/=20 >>=20 >> 3) sec 4:=20 >> s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent = to the neighbor/=20 >> and=20 >> s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from = service/=20 > All the actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified = in rfc4271 (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so = we should use non-Normative text in both cases. =20 >=20 > IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 = should not be applied. >=20 Ah, then I guess #3 should also be s/must/will/ =E2=80=A6 Thanks for caring about this! Mirja >=20 >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> 4) sec 4=20 >> "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all=20= >> peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability."=20 >> Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case? From nobody Tue Jul 30 09:02:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF30F1201D9 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7dG2kdV1x8_k for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67E831201D2 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Enke Chen \(enkechen\)'" , "'John Scudder'" , "'idr wg'" References: <4627DDB5-2241-4630-AFFD-A26408805A3A@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4627DDB5-2241-4630-AFFD-A26408805A3A@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000601d546f0$36447890$a2cd69b0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLZxWpXpWLf2O8xzHOdHinosXzFfwHHWFxYpMwaCcA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190730-0, 07/30/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] several things about draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06 ( X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:02:46 -0000 John and Enke:=20 Thank you - this completes the IPR poll. =20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Enke Chen = (enkechen) Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:38 PM To: John Scudder; idr wg Cc: Hares Susan Subject: Re: [Idr] several things about draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06 = ( Hi, John: Regarding #2, I am not aware of any IPR related to the document. Thanks. -- Enke =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- From: John Scudder Date: Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:33 PM To: idr wg Cc: Hares Susan , "Enke Chen (enkechen)" = Subject: several things about draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06 ( (As a WG contributor and co-author) =20 Hi All, =20 1. I just learned that there are not one, but two implementations of = draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06. So, I think the draft is ready for = WGLC, I would like to request that. =20 2. As part of that WGLC request I hereby declare that I=E2=80=99m = not aware of any related IPR that hasn=E2=80=99t been disclosed. Enke, = can you make a similar statement please? =20 3. While reviewing the draft I noticed it's squatting on a type = code, mea culpa. I would like to come clean and request early = allocation. Here=E2=80=99s the request, from the IANA Considerations in = -06: =20 IANA is requested to designate BGP OPEN Optional Parameter Type = code 255 as the Extended Length type code.=20 =20 I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s appropriate for me to approve = this early allocation request on my own since I=E2=80=99m a co-author, = but since I happen to be sitting across a table from my co-chair, I just = discussed the matter with her and she verbally approved. So, we will = send the early allocation request to Alvaro and IANA to be processed. =20 Thanks, =20 =E2=80=94John _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Jul 30 09:06:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170A712025D for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XA8NOFLJpTfZ for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C1A12017C for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000801d546f0$b9d27310$2d775930$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01D546CF.32C47C90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdVG8AEgtJ8an9KITLaaaGetwJsC1Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190730-0, 07/30/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to 8/13/2019) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:06:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D546CF.32C47C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week working group last call on draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt from 7/30 to 8/13/2019. You can access the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param/ John and Enke - I am counting on you gather information on the 2 implementations and post this on the IDR Wiki during these 2 weeks. For the WG, consider if: 1) The technology is ready for publication or if there are flaws that prevent its publication, 2) Is this technology useful to BGP deployments? 3) Are there any minor editorial errors the authors should address before publication. Cheerily, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D546CF.32C47C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week working group last call on = draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt from 7/30 to 8/13/2019. =  

 

You can access the draft at:

 

h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param/

 

John and Enke – I am counting on you gather = information on the 2 implementations and post this on the IDR Wiki = during these 2 weeks.

 

For the WG, = consider if:

 

1)      = The technology is ready = for publication or if there are flaws that prevent its publication, =

2)      = Is this technology useful = to BGP deployments?

3)      = Are there any minor = editorial errors the authors should address before publication. =

 

 

Cheerily, = Sue Hares

 

 

 

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Jul 2019 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7673312016F; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Alvaro Retana'" , =?utf-8?Q?'Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind'?= , "'The IESG'" Cc: , , References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01D546D1.64EA17F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHOmb0+S0HtjOtDEV+BauB+7nkX8wMOHf7upthAjLA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190730-0, 07/30/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:22:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D546D1.64EA17F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvaro: =20 On #3, I=E2=80=99ve not seen the separate thread you=E2=80=99ve started = with the authors. Did I miss something as the shepherd?=20 =20 On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested = that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. =20 =20 Given that point, we allowed the normative case. It is a judgment case. = Do you want to engage in an argument pro/con with Mirja on the WG list = or do you want to determine at AD level that the text should be = non-normative?=20 =20 Sue Hares Shepherd=20 =20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro Retana Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:39 AM To: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; The IESG Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; = idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) =20 On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker = (noreply@ietf.org) wrote: =20 Mirja: =20 Hi! =20 Thanks for your review. =20 ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 COMMENT:=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20 Some comment on use of normative language:=20 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is not = used correctly (sec 4):=20 "A BGP speaker=20 MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message=20 Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"):=20 "A BGP speaker=20 MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it = crystal clear, e.g.=20 "A BGP speaker=20 MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker=20 MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of = clarifications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were = discussed in Montreal last week. I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread = with the authors. =20 2) sec 4:=20 "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received=20 by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message=20 Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and=20 MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad=20 Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6..1)."=20 If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use = normative language here as well.=20 I suggest s/MUST/will/=20 3) sec 4:=20 s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent to = the neighbor/=20 and=20 s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/=20 All the actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified in = rfc4271 (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so we = should use non-Normative text in both cases. =20 IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 = should not be applied. =20 Thanks!! Alvaro. =20 4) sec 4=20 "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all=20 peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability."=20 Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case?=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D546D1.64EA17F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alvaro:

 

On #3, I=E2=80=99ve not seen the separate thread you=E2=80=99ve = started with the authors. =C2=A0Did I miss something as the shepherd? =

 

On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) = suggested that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. = =C2=A0=C2=A0

 

Given that point, we allowed the normative case. =C2=A0It is a = judgment case.=C2=A0 Do you want to engage in an argument pro/con with = Mirja on the WG list or do you want to determine at AD level that the = text should be non-normative?

 

Sue Hares

Shepherd

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro = Retana
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:39 AM
To: = Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; The IESG
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; = idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No = Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with = COMMENT)

 

On July = 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker (noreply@ietf.org) = wrote:

&nbs= p;

Mirja:

&nbs= p;

Hi!<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

Thanks = for your review.

&nbs= p;

...<= /o:p>

---------= ------------------------------------------------------------ 
COMMENT: 
--------------------------= -------------------------------------------- 

Some comment on use = of normative language: 

1) I know what the = intention is here but this normative language is not used correctly (sec = 4): 
"A BGP = speaker 
MAY send = Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message 
Capability was advertised = by both peers." 
This should be a MUST = anyway (and moving the "only"): 
"A BGP speaker 
MUST only send Extended = Messages to a peer if the Extended Message 
Capability was advertised = by both peers." 
Or you go for the MUST = NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it crystal clear, e.g. 
"A BGP speaker 
MUST NOT send Extended = Messages to a peer if the Extended Message 
Capability was not = advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker 
MAY send Extended = Messages to a peer if the Extended Message 
Capability was advertised = by both peers." 

This = point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of clarifications = to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were discussed in Montreal = last week.  I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread with the = authors.

&nbs= p;

2) sec = 4: 
"If a BGP = message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received 
by a BGP listener who has = not advertised the Extended Message 
Capability, the listener = MUST treat this as a malformed message, and 
MUST generate a = NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad 
Message Length (see = [RFC4271] Sec 6..1)." 
If this is specified = normatively in RFC4271, you should not use normative language here as = well. 
I suggest = s/MUST/will/ 

3) = sec 4: 
s/then it = must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent to the = neighbor/ 
and 
s/it must be withdrawn = from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/ 

All the = actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified in rfc4271 = (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so we should = use non-Normative text in both cases. =  

IOW: = your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 should not = be applied.

&nbs= p;

Thanks!!<= o:p>

Alvaro.

&nbs= p;

4) sec = 4 
"In an iBGP = mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all 
peers MUST advertize the = BGP Extended Message capability." 
Which action(s) should be = taken if that is not the case? 

&nbs= p;

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D546D1.64EA17F0-- From nobody Tue Jul 30 09:33:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A53E120120; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPs-JYtvp8Qs; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41DC7120089; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200116b82cf82f009860c8f8757e3ab5.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cf8:2f00:9860:c8f8:757e:3ab5]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1hsV3t-0007Zj-06; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:33:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:33:16 +0200 Cc: Alvaro Retana , The IESG , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8545413E-768D-4764-939E-C4861B21344F@kuehlewind.net> References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1564504400;0ab85e85; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hsV3t-0007Zj-06 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:33:23 -0000 Hi Susan, These are only comments from my side (no discusses), so Alvaro can = determine the right solution without me intervening. However, my = personal view regarding #2 that if this is not clearly defined in = RFC4271, the document should state that and update RFC4271 accordingly. Mirja > On 30. Jul 2019, at 18:22, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > Alvaro: > =20 > On #3, I=E2=80=99ve not seen the separate thread you=E2=80=99ve = started with the authors. Did I miss something as the shepherd?=20 > =20 > On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested = that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. =20 > =20 > Given that point, we allowed the normative case. It is a judgment = case. Do you want to engage in an argument pro/con with Mirja on the WG = list or do you want to determine at AD level that the text should be = non-normative?=20 > =20 > Sue Hares > Shepherd=20 > =20 > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro Retana > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; The IESG > Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) > =20 > On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker = (noreply@ietf.org) wrote: > =20 > Mirja: > =20 > Hi! > =20 > Thanks for your review. > =20 > ... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> COMMENT:=20 >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >>=20 >> Some comment on use of normative language:=20 >>=20 >> 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is = not used correctly (sec 4):=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 >> This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"):=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 >> Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it = crystal clear, e.g.=20 >> "A BGP speaker=20 >> MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker=20 >> MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers."=20 > This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of = clarifications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were = discussed in Montreal last week. I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread = with the authors. >=20 > =20 >=20 >> 2) sec 4:=20 >> "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received=20= >> by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message=20 >> Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and=20= >> MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad=20 >> Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6..1)."=20 >> If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use = normative language here as well.=20 >> I suggest s/MUST/will/=20 >>=20 >> 3) sec 4:=20 >> s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent = to the neighbor/=20 >> and=20 >> s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from = service/=20 > All the actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified = in rfc4271 (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so = we should use non-Normative text in both cases. =20 >=20 > IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 = should not be applied. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > =20 >=20 >> 4) sec 4=20 >> "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all=20= >> peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability."=20 >> Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case? 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(PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B93E41202C1; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Mirja Kuehlewind'" Cc: "'Alvaro Retana'" , "'The IESG'" , , , References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> <8545413E-768D-4764-939E-C4861B21344F@kuehlewind.net> In-Reply-To: <8545413E-768D-4764-939E-C4861B21344F@kuehlewind.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01d54704$ea34fc80$be9ef580$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHOmb0+S0HtjOtDEV+BauB+7nkX8wMOHf7uAhyMangCLHTV5qa2HJTA Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190730-2, 07/30/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:31:03 -0000 Mirja: Thank you for the email and for caring enough to ask the question. As = an co-author on RFC4271, I had my personal view on this topic. As a = chair, I listened to another opinion.=20 I'll follow-up with Alvaro.=20 Sue Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:33 PM To: Susan Hares Cc: Alvaro Retana; The IESG; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) Hi Susan, These are only comments from my side (no discusses), so Alvaro can = determine the right solution without me intervening. However, my = personal view regarding #2 that if this is not clearly defined in = RFC4271, the document should state that and update RFC4271 accordingly. Mirja > On 30. Jul 2019, at 18:22, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > Alvaro: > =20 > On #3, I=E2=80=99ve not seen the separate thread you=E2=80=99ve = started with the authors. Did I miss something as the shepherd?=20 > =20 > On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested = that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. =20 > =20 > Given that point, we allowed the normative case. It is a judgment = case. Do you want to engage in an argument pro/con with Mirja on the WG = list or do you want to determine at AD level that the text should be = non-normative?=20 > =20 > Sue Hares > Shepherd > =20 > =20 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro Retana > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; The IESG > Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org;=20 > draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on=20 > draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) > =20 > On July 30, 2019 at 9:38:01 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker = (noreply@ietf.org) wrote: > =20 > Mirja: > =20 > Hi! > =20 > Thanks for your review. > =20 > ... >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT:=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >>=20 >> Some comment on use of normative language:=20 >>=20 >> 1) I know what the intention is here but this normative language is = not used correctly (sec 4):=20 >> "A BGP speaker >> MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers." >> This should be a MUST anyway (and moving the "only"):=20 >> "A BGP speaker >> MUST only send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was advertised by both peers." >> Or you go for the MUST NOT (and maybe even two sentence) to make it = crystal clear, e.g.=20 >> "A BGP speaker >> MUST NOT send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=20 >> Capability was not advertised by both peers. A BGP speaker MAY send=20 >> Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was=20 >> advertised by both peers." > This point (and your last one) should be clarified in light of = clarifications to rfc5492 (Capabilities Advertisement) that were = discussed in Montreal last week. I=E2=80=99ve started a separate thread = with the authors. >=20 > =20 >=20 >> 2) sec 4:=20 >> "If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received = >> by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message=20 >> Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and=20 >> MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad=20 >> Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6..1)." >> If this is specified normatively in RFC4271, you should not use = normative language here as well.=20 >> I suggest s/MUST/will/ >>=20 >> 3) sec 4:=20 >> s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent=20 >> to the neighbor/ and s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be=20 >> withdrawn from service/ > All the actions on these two points are in fact normatively specified = in rfc4271 (which is the reason for the specific references)=E2=80=A6so = we should use non-Normative text in both cases. =20 >=20 > IOW: your point in #2 is accurate, but the changes suggested in #3 = should not be applied. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > =20 >=20 >> 4) sec 4 >> "In an iBGP mesh, if BGP Extended Messages are to be advertized, all=20 >> peers MUST advertize the BGP Extended Message capability." >> Which action(s) should be taken if that is not the case? 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On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. This is the text that Mirja highlighted: If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6.1). First of all, if a BGP router doesn't support Extended Messages it means it doesn't support this document...so we can't Normatively tell them what to do. rfc4271/=C2=A76.1 (Message Header Error Handling) specifies what to do if, = among other things, the length is greater than 4096...so that would be what the speaker who doesn't support this document would do. NEW> If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], Section 6.1). Thanks! Alvaro. --00000000000093acba058eea9f4e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 30, 2019 at 12:22:13 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) wrote:

Sue:

Hi!

On #2, the Discuss= ion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested that this exact statem= ent was not clearly stated in RFC4271. =C2=A0=C2=A0

This is the= text that Mirja highlighted:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If a BGP message with a Length greater th= an 4,096 octets is received
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by a BGP listener who has not advertised = the Extended Message
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a m= alformed message, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Sub= code set to Bad
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6.1).
<= div class=3D"gmail_signature">
First of all, if a BGP= router doesn't support Extended Messages it means it doesn't suppo= rt this document...so we can't Normatively tell them what to do.=

rfc4271/=C2=A76= .1 (Message Header Error Handling) specifies what to do if, among other thi= ngs, the length is greater than 4096...so that would be what the speaker wh= o doesn't support this document would do.

NEW>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If a BGP message with a = Length greater than 4,096 octets is received
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by a BGP listener who ha= s not advertised the Extended Message
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Capability, the listener will g= enerate a NOTIFICATION with the Error=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Subcode set to Bad Messag= e Length ([RFC4271], Section 6.1).


Thanks!

=
Alvaro.


--00000000000093acba058eea9f4e-- From nobody Tue Jul 30 12:06:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5E21201E9; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N8sJlzyEY3Zo; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9043412024E; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hsXRd-0002e9-7q; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:05:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:05:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Alvaro Retana Cc: Susan Hares , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mirja_K=FChlewind=22?= , The IESG , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?iso-8859-1?q?-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:06:09 -0000 > NEW> > If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received > by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message > Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error > Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], Section 6.1). ack randy From nobody Tue Jul 30 12:52:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586421201D5; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vR7yq1nivF8l; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 558BC12023D; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hsY9z-0002lt-FG; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:51:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mirja_K=FChlewind_via_Datatracker=22?= Cc: "The IESG" , draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, jgs@juniper.net, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, jie.dong@huawei.com, idr-chairs@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?iso-8859-1?q?-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:52:02 -0000 i believe this is the only outstanding point from mirja's careful review (tyvm) > 3) sec 4: > s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor/and > s/it must be withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/ i have no problem with this change. does someone want to make an argument that 4271 being normative obviates normative language here? 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Yes. These changes are not needed precisely because of rfc4271. Thanks! Alvaro. --0000000000001a8c2d058eeb8571 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 30, 2019 at 3:52:20 PM, Randy Bush (randy@psg.com) wrote:

&= gt; 3) sec 4:=C2=A0
> s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/= then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor/and=C2=A0
> s/it must be= withdrawn from service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/=C2=A0

= i have no problem with this change. does someone want to make= an=C2=A0
argument that 4271 being normative obviates normative lang= uage here?=C2=A0
=

Yes.=C2=A0 Thes= e changes are not needed precisely because of rfc4271.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27F4312004D; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hsZ61-0002wQ-Ll; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:51:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Alvaro Retana Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mirja_K=FChlewind_via_Datatracker=22?= , draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, jie.dong@huawei.com, jgs@juniper.net, idr@ietf.org, The IESG In-Reply-To: References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?iso-8859-1?q?-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:51:55 -0000 [ to continue down a rather small and twisty rathole which only leads to velveta ] >> 3) sec 4:>> s/then it must NOT be sent to the neighbor/then it MUST >> NOT be sent to the neighbor/and > s/it must be withdrawn from >> service/it MUST be withdrawn from service/ > i have no problem with this change. does someone want to make an > argument that 4271 being normative obviates normative language here? > Yes. These changes are not needed precisely because of rfc4271. btw, i do not entirely buy this if the draft was phrased As specified in , Section 9.2, if the message is still too big, then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor. Additionally, per , Section 9.1.3, if the NLRI was previously advertised to that peer, it MUST BE withdrawn from service. i.e. normative language might be used because one is directly referring the same in 4271. if you buy that, then If the message is still too big, then it MUST NOT be sent to the neighbor (, Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was previously advertised to that peer, it MUST be withdrawn from service (, Section 9.1.3). is just an english, well american, reconstruction of the same. but i really do not care much. so -34 is currently non-normative until someone tells me otherwise. randy From nobody Tue Jul 30 14:16:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBE5120105 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vvh4TJsZASPk for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7400D120046 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id n11so64409564qtl.5 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jbgcToB6WaQDVLjJYi0ooEt8WcIrqaaD9zBed0VOg0U=; b=K/zobAfFW7bSsicFfxrk0lMl557sLbvamzExrZQG7O1xHntA0CrYdPZ46RP25PgNqC M12ms1QI+/3aA4Qprf+QvaaySPwD3asyFmwIRrXjW8MigpNeAfeaXhFq32QqPwvlkUOG rBhtdSuLdM4JduXza66vI228yD6au9FRHVmH33rRRgXu33KYT1JZDzPIXMi/2k5d1gtX Pc4tevvzGGKcmZL/q8Qa7cE9MZz8vgBzgk5FrK2sQVj2TN3g5e+mQuDXp26m7M0pVz6p HSEQi6UNRsgdP+BhQKGaAX7bPTk/LQ95iIDNBTKM4Tqu06Q78mmtLbHARHpV4PolcYCL amzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jbgcToB6WaQDVLjJYi0ooEt8WcIrqaaD9zBed0VOg0U=; b=b4vAIy7ylV0ZjaZZu9yF+u/iYYTBb3m8ce4cTH7LVR+2wmIJlcXt4xKrv+bAKf568s A/k6tHc3dIEESpUQ06WWP5lD2OgOlmkVolpRDBd5F3sPaykSHdlGqqQdyuNWQRmjgVTO vzz60jSimRXu4LxTcBJiNd4k9bnh9USsR9ykGkoDBgggOuteNsm9VqAbBGr5UiPjmigo bG8RdxKiPw5gNL8SdAcHhbGZNUPqjybh9r3DZWW/snUWUPHhLPMxiW8nD8q3Bm3dPe3w L/OAYkVEIcQunMagxxzkGB738T6t1OCvFmmUHBGrJVhOub66kMr+0fIirCuxz8IN2hvr JMVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWyUj7h29NMyebzeLsZwKnTsfQpP+kFZZUe2Xkc62qVsC1r/M3y MuDjkBwOFEI/EviJFHJbQAU/FBqgKnYWRRPCBZPNkw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqynZnSMpwxHtscwG4NgvxP7sQSlbfK7OKa/hWj1005ef5BcA7DhHdKma1vcL/xFu7/hycHq2CgwQKKzMLDV80Y= X-Received: by 2002:aed:228d:: with SMTP id p13mr82626489qtc.208.1564521391419; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25379_1564496252_5D40517C_25379_366_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48BC0422@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 23:16:20 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" Cc: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "idr@ietf. org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c78bd2058eec8590" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 21:16:36 -0000 --000000000000c78bd2058eec8590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes as I noted in my original mail this is clearly a "workaround" to the problem. But note it only works if operator is aware about the issue. If BGP session terminates unexpectedly - say when max prefix is reached - it is quite unclear on the operational consequences of such duet of features enabled together. Thx, R. On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:38 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > Robert, > > > > You can cause your neighbor to delete your routes immediately by bringing > up a new BGP > > session, and send the LLGR capability with the F bit clear and then bring > > it right back down again. If you don't want your neighbor to hold your > routes, > > then do not advertise the LLGR capability or set the stale time to 0. > > > > Regards, > > Jakob. > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of * > bruno.decraene@orange.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:18 AM > *To:* Robert Raszuk > *Cc:* idr@ietf. org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 10:08 AM > *To:* idr@ietf. org > *Subject:* [Idr] draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence > > > > Hi, > > > > Assume LLGR has been negotiated and routes have been exchanged with LLGR > community. The retention timer is looong. > > =E2=80=98Long=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98simple=E2=80=99 is a matter of opinion= . I=E2=80=99m pretty sure that some, > possibly you, will consider that an hour is long. While that is in scope > the Graceful Restart. Compared to GR, persistence minimize the preference > of the stale routes hence live routes will be preferred. Personally, this > seems safer than GR (but indeed, this creates additional control plane > processing) > > > > > > While I am happy to see that suggestions to follow GR procedures have bee= n > used the draft is pretty silent on one very important aspect - clearing > persistent routes. GR procedures which rely on using GR time for it do > not apply. > > > > Imagine I want to bring such session down and I do want to remove all > routes including those marked as LLGR. How do I do that ? > > > > From current draft the only way seems to be to reestablish a session with > LLGR capability and readvertise subject routes with NO-LLGR community > hoping it will clear the former routes. But even here we are at the mercy > of local policy as per section 3.2 & 3.3 > > For your case, the BGP session seems to be up or able of been up. Why do= you think the use of a hard reset would not work? This seems to be specifi= cally referred to by the specification: > > =E2=80=9C In the presence of the "Long-lived Graceful Restart Capabilit= y", the > > procedures specified in [RFC4724 = ] and [RFC8538 ] continue to apply > > unless explicitly revised by this document.=E2=80=9D > > > > For the case where the BGP session is down, clearly a protocol message/be= havior is not applicable. I would assume that a local CLI would do this. (E= .g. clear ip bgp session). In all cases, this is not specific to BGP persis= tence and equally applies to GR. > > > > King regards, > > --Bruno > > > > > > In any case that is pretty awkward method. > > > > Then we just had a little thread regarding max prefix in GROW WG. New > draft there actually relies on BGP NOTIFICATION MSG with CEASE error code > to remove all routes making on purpose crossing a max prefix limit a > drastic event (of course unless warning only is set). > > > > Bottom line BGP here is used again as configuration tool not as dynamic > routing protocol. I do not think this type of use of BGP which should be > endorsed. > > > > If this proposal moves fwd it should clearly spell how not only to retain > the LLGR eligible prefixes but also how to cleanly remove them when neede= d > - way before they expire. > > > > Kind regards, > > R. > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Yes as I noted in my original mail this is = clearly a "workaround" to the problem. But note it only works if = operator is aware about the issue.=C2=A0

If BGP session = terminates unexpectedly - say when max prefix is reached - it is quite uncl= ear on the operational consequences of such duet of features enabled togeth= er.=C2=A0

Thx,
R.


On= Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:38 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote:

Robert,

=C2=A0

You can cause your neighbor to delete = your routes immediately by bringing up a new BGP

session, and send the LLGR capability = with the F bit clear and then bring

it right back down again. If you don&#= 39;t want your neighbor to hold your routes,

then do not advertise the LLGR capabil= ity or set the stale time to 0.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Jakob.

=C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:18 AM
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence

=C2=A0

Hi Robert,<= /p>

=C2=A0

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:08 AM
To: idr@ietf. org
Subject: [Idr] draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-persistence=

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

Assum= e LLGR has been negotiated and routes have been exchanged with LLGR communi= ty. The retention timer is looong.=C2=A0

=E2=80=98Long= =E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98simple=E2=80=99 is a matter of opinion. I=E2=80=99m p= retty sure that some, possibly you, will consider that an hour is long. Whi= le that is in scope the Graceful Restart. Compared to GR, persistence minim= ize the preference of the stale routes hence live routes will be preferred. Personally, this = seems safer than GR (but indeed, this creates additional control plane proc= essing)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

While I am happy to see= that suggestions to follow GR procedures have been used the draft is prett= y silent on one very important aspect - clearing persistent routes. GR procedures which rely on using GR time for it do not a= pply.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Imagi= ne I want to bring such session down and I do want to remove all routes inc= luding those marked as LLGR. How do I do that ?=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0

From current draft the = only way seems to be to reestablish a session with LLGR capability and read= vertise subject routes with NO-LLGR community hoping it will clear the form= er routes. But even here we are at the mercy of local policy as per = section 3.2 & 3.3=C2=A0

 For your case, the BGP session seems to be up =
or able of been up. Why do you think the use of a hard reset would not work=
? This seems to be specifically referred to by the specification:=

=E2=80=9C=C2=A0=C2=A0 In t=
he presence of the "Long-lived Graceful Restart Capability", the<=
u>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 procedures specified in [RFC4724] and [RFC8538] conti=
nue to apply
=C2=A0=C2=A0 unless explicitly revised by this document.=E2=80=9D
=C2=A0
For the case where the BGP session is down, cle=
arly a protocol message/behavior is not applicable. I would assume that a l=
ocal CLI would do this. (E.g. clear ip bgp session). In all cases, this is =
not specific to BGP persistence and equally applies to GR.
=C2=A0
King regards,
--Bruno

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In any case that is pre= tty awkward method.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Then = we just had a little thread regarding max prefix in GROW WG. New draft ther= e actually relies on BGP NOTIFICATION MSG with CEASE error code to remove a= ll routes making on purpose crossing a max prefix limit a drastic event (of course unless warning only is set).

=C2=A0

Botto= m line BGP here is used again as configuration tool not as dynamic routing = protocol. I do not think this type of use of BGP which should be endorsed.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

If th= is proposal moves fwd it should clearly spell how not only to retain the LL= GR eligible prefixes but also how to cleanly remove them when needed - way = before they expire.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind = regards,

R.=C2= =A0

____________________________________________________=
_____________________________________________________________________
=C2=A0
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14.03.0439.000; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:50:02 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy Thread-Index: AdVHR1EkgZPrSTpORC6WGZSBPLIlfg== Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 02:50:01 +0000 Message-ID: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5C64D30@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.202.166] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5C64D30NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Mail regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 02:50:11 -0000 --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5C64D30NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, Section 9 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 says: ... This document defines a new optional, transitive BGP Path Attributes option, named "Only To Customer", assigned value [To be removed upon publication: http://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp- parameters/bgp-parameters.xhtml#bgp-parameters-2] [RFC4271]. The length of this attribute is 0. [Comment] The length of this attribute should be 4 per the description of = section 6. Type 35 with the name "Internal Only To Customer" has been assigned to prev= ious version of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy. Can we simply use Type 35 f= or "Only To Customer" attribute, or apply a new one? Thanks, Shunwan --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5C64D30NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

 

Section 9 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 says:=

…

   This document defines a new optional, t= ransitive BGP Path Attributes

   option, named "Only To Customer&qu= ot;, assigned value <TBD3> [To be

   removed upon publication: http://www.ia= na.org/assignments/bgp-

   parameters/bgp-parameters.xhtml#bgp-par= ameters-2] [RFC4271].  The

   length of this attribute is 0.

 

[Comment]  The length of this attribute should = be 4 per the description of section 6.

Type 35 with the name “Internal Only To Custom= er” has been assigned to previous version of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-= policy. Can we simply use Type 35 for "Only To Customer" attribut= e, or apply a new one?

 

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

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Hi Sue,

 =

Fully support.

I’m also fine with= the _current_ version of the document.

 =

Nevertheless, I’ll= try some comments, possibly useless but at minimum to show to the shepherd/AD that I’ve read and reviewed the doc.

 =

1.  Introduction

[…]

The Parameter Length field of individual Optional Parameters is s= imilarly extended.

 =

I would rather remove &#= 8216;similarly’ or change it to ‘also’. As although the technical specification is crystal clear, I fear that the sentence could b= e interpreted as the length field for individual optional parameters been e= xtended the same way (length 255, followed by extended length) while this i= s not the case.

 =

---

The (non-extend=
ed) length field is set to
   255, as is the subsequent octet that =
in the non-extended format would
   be the first Optional Parameter Type.=
  The subsequent two octets
   carry the actual length. <=
/span>

 =

This works so let it be = so.

One could have argued th= at this encoding is borderline as per RFC 4271. May be an encoding  more in l= ine with 4271 could have been Type: 255, Length: 2, Value: actual/extended = length. (i.e. adding/keeping the ‘length’ field of the Optional= Parameter type 255). That would also have been more friendly for protocol parser (e.g. wireshark= ) especially since there is a chance that network operator get surprised th= e first time that the BGP session get rejected and may want to have a look = at the open message).

Note that I understand t= hat my comment is way too late … and also a matter of opinion.

---

   In the event that the length of Optio=
nal Parameters in the BGP OPEN
   message does not exceed 255, the enco=
dings of the base BGP
   specification [RFC4=
271] MUST=
 be used without alteration.

 =

Could the document defin= e the error handling if this MUST is not followed? I believe any option (notification or silently ignore) works, but in gener= al I have a preference for error handling to be covered by the spec.

 “If the value of this field is zero, no Optional Parameters=
 are present (this would never be expected to happen with the extended enco=
ding, however). » which is both not general enough (does not=
 cover length 1-254) and appears in the general specification/behavior whil=
e it’s about error handling.

---

As of 2019, I feel that = this extension may have been an opportunity to also enable the use of BGP extended message length for the BGP OPEN message. (i= f the “BGP Extended Message” capability was also exchanged.). A= lternatively, the burden of defining this could also been in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages. But probably too late for both documents so let’s move forward.=

 =

Thanks,

Regards,

--Bruno

 =

 =

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:06 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-= param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to 8/13/2019)

 

This begins a 2 week working group last cal= l on draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt from 7/30 to 8/13/2019.  

 

You can access the draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf= -idr-ext-opt-param/

 

John and Enke – I am counting on you = gather information on the 2 implementations and post this on the IDR Wiki d= uring these 2 weeks.

 

For the WG, consider if:<= /p>

 

1)    &nbs= p; The technology is ready for publication or if there are flaws th= at prevent its publication,

2)    &nbs= p; Is this technology useful to BGP deployments?

3)    &nbs= p; Are there any minor editorial errors the authors should address = before publication.

 

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

 

 

 

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Here is a patch that would clarify the capability definition, the issue that I brought up before. It also include changing "BGP listener" to "BGP speaker" in two places. I looked at the changes and they look good tome. I think that generalizing to =E2=80=9Cspeaker=E2=80=9D does help. Thanks!! Alvaro. *** bgp-large-msg-34.txt.orig Tue Jul 30 18:24:32 2019 --- bgp-large-msg-34.txt Tue Jul 30 18:34:07 2019 *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 120,148 **** defined with Capability code 6 and Capability length 0. To advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. By advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP ! speaker conveys that it is able to send, receive, and properly handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended Messages. - A peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP - Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to it. - Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended Message capability MUST support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE Messages per [RFC7606]. 4. Operation The Extended Message Capability applies to all messages except for the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former exception is to reduce the complexity of providing backward compatibility. ! A BGP speaker that is capable of sending and receiving BGP Extended Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to its peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP speaker ! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was received from that peer. An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Message capability MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and including 65,535 octets. --- 120,145 ---- defined with Capability code 6 and Capability length 0. To advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. By advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP ! speaker conveys that it is able to receive, and properly handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended Messages. Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended Message capability MUST support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE Messages per [RFC7606]. 4. Operation The Extended Message Capability applies to all messages except for the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former exception is to reduce the complexity of providing backward compatibility. ! A BGP speaker that is capable of receiving BGP Extended Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to its peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP speaker ! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message Capability was received from that peer. An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Message capability MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and including 65,535 octets. *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 157,168 **** 4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so as not to require downstream routers to decompose for peers that do not support Extended Messages. See Section 8. If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received ! by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message ! Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] Sec 6.1). Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page 3] --- 154,165 ---- 4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so as not to require downstream routers to decompose for peers that do not support Extended Messages. See Section 8. If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received ! by a BGP speaker who has not advertised the Extended Message ! Capability, the speaker will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] Sec 6.1). Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page 3] *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 175,190 **** speakers which may not support Extended Messages. Therefore, an announcement in an Extended Message where the size of the attribute set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets may cause lack of reachability. ! A BGP speaker with a mixture of peers some of which have advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability and some which have not, may ! receive an UPDATE from one of its capable peers that produces an ongoing announcement that is larger than 4,096 octets. When propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor which has not advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability, the sender SHOULD try to reduce the outgoing message size by removing attributes eligible under the "attribute discard" approach of [RFC7606]. If the message is still too big, then it must not be sent to the neighbor ([RFC4271], Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was previously advertised to that peer, it must be withdrawn from service ([RFC4271], --- 172,187 ---- speakers which may not support Extended Messages. Therefore, an announcement in an Extended Message where the size of the attribute set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets may cause lack of reachability. ! A BGP speaker that has advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability to its peers, may ! receive an UPDATE from one of its peers that produces an ongoing announcement that is larger than 4,096 octets. When propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor which has not advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability, the speaker SHOULD try to reduce the outgoing message size by removing attributes eligible under the "attribute discard" approach of [RFC7606]. If the message is still too big, then it must not be sent to the neighbor ([RFC4271], Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was previously advertised to that peer, it must be withdrawn from service ([RFC4271], --0000000000009ad3eb058ef92577 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 30, 2019 at 9:53:36 PM, Enke Chen (enkec= hen) (enkechen@cisco.com) wrote:<= /div>

Enke:

Hi!

Here= is a patch that would clarify the capability definition, the issue that I = brought up before.=C2=A0
It also include changing "BGP listener" to "BGP speaker= " in two places.=C2=A0

I looked at the changes and they loo= k good tome.=C2=A0 I think that generalizing to =E2=80=9Cspeaker=E2=80=9D d= oes help.

Thanks!!

Alvaro.



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To adverti= se the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP=C2=A0
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! speaker con= veys that it is able to send, receive, and properly=C2=A0
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Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Me= ssage Capability to its=C2=A0<= /span>
peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP speak= er=C2=A0
! MAY send = Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message=C2=A0
= Capability was received from that pee= r.=C2=A0

An implementation that advertises the BGP Ext= ended Message capability=C2=A0=
MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and=C2=A0
including 65,53= 5 octets.=C2=A0
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To advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP=C2=A0
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advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability= to a peer, a BGP=C2=A0=
! speaker conveys that it is able to receive, and properly=C2=A0
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--- 154,165 ----=C2=A0
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--0000000000009ad3eb058ef92577-- From nobody Wed Jul 31 06:24:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC86120018; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: idr@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: idr@ietf.org Message-ID: <156457948638.27510.8597178153218992186@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:24:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:24:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF. Title : Extended Message support for BGP Authors : Randy Bush Keyur Patel Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-07-31 Abstract: The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4,096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs and other features, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4,096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification RFC4271 by extending the maximum message size from 4,096 octets to 65,535 octets for all except the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jul 31 06:25:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57643120288; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SXBuqB5WKN4a; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8DC31202A4; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hsobb-00066F-1r; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:25:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:25:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" Cc: Alvaro Retana , "idr@ietf.org" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Mirja_K=FChlewind_via_Datatracker=22?= , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org" , The IESG , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?iso-8859-1?q?-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:25:34 -0000 thanks enke. see -35 randy From nobody Wed Jul 31 08:28:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C8E12011C; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wjwmh9f6Kh1J; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 995D812012C; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Alvaro Retana'" , =?UTF-8?Q?'Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind'?= , "'The IESG'" Cc: , , References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <003b01d546f2$ebf946f0$c3ebd4d0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <013801d547b4$830e3750$892aa5f0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0139_01D54792.FBFE9320" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHOmb0+S0HtjOtDEV+BauB+7nkX8wMOHf7uAhyMangCFVLZb6a4M2qg X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190731-0, 07/31/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:28:00 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0139_01D54792.FBFE9320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvaro and Randy:=20 =20 Thank you for starting this message thread this week. As a professor, = I=E2=80=99m in the midst of grading =E2=80=93 so I=E2=80=99m online this = week.=20 =20 The BGP peer receiving the message generates a NOTIFICATION with a = Message Header Error and a subcode of =E2=80=9CBad message = length=E2=80=9D (page 21, p. 30). Please note the difference in the = language. This language tags the event directly to Event 21: = BGPHeaderErr in the BGP FSM (p. 48). =20 =20 =20 Text must be:=20 New/ If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the = Message Header error=20 and an Error subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], Section = 6.1). / =20 Otherwise, it does not keep the consistency with the BGP FSM.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 =20 From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 3:01 PM To: Susan Hares; Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; The IESG Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; = idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) =20 On July 30, 2019 at 12:22:13 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) wrote: =20 Sue: =20 Hi! =20 On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long period of time) suggested = that this exact statement was not clearly stated in RFC4271. =20 =20 This is the text that Mirja highlighted: =20 If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, and MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec 6.1). =20 First of all, if a BGP router doesn't support Extended Messages it means = it doesn't support this document...so we can't Normatively tell them = what to do. =20 rfc4271/=C2=A76.1 (Message Header Error Handling) specifies what to do = if, among other things, the length is greater than 4096...so that would = be what the speaker who doesn't support this document would do. =20 NEW> If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is received by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error=20 Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], Section 6.1). =20 =20 Thanks! =20 Alvaro. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0139_01D54792.FBFE9320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alvaro and Randy:

 

Thank you for starting this message thread this week.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As = a professor, I=E2=80=99m in the midst of grading =E2=80=93 so = I=E2=80=99m online this week.

 

The BGP peer receiving the message generates a =C2=A0NOTIFICATION =
with a =C2=A0Message Header Error and a subcode of =E2=80=9CBad message =
length=E2=80=9D =C2=A0(page 21, p. 30). =C2=A0Please note the difference =
in the language.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0This language tags the event directly =
to Event 21: BGPHeaderErr in the BGP FSM (p. 48).=C2=A0 
 

 

Text must be:

New/

  =  If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is = received

  =  by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended = Message

  =  Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the = Message Header error

=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0and an Error subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], = Section 6.1).

/

 

Otherwise, it does not keep the consistency with the BGP FSM. =

 

Sue

 

 

From:= = Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = July 30, 2019 3:01 PM
To: Susan Hares; Mirja K=C3=BChlewind; = The IESG
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; = idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No = Objection on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with = COMMENT)

 

On July = 30, 2019 at 12:22:13 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) = wrote:

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Sue:=

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Hi!<= /o:p>

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On #2, the Discussion from the WG (over long = period of time) suggested that this exact statement was not clearly = stated in RFC4271.   

&nbs= p;

This is = the text that Mirja highlighted:

&nbs= p;

  =  If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is = received

  =  by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended = Message

  =  Capability, the listener MUST treat this as a malformed message, = and

  =  MUST generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to = Bad

  =  Message Length (see [RFC4271] Sec = 6.1).

&nbs= p;

First of = all, if a BGP router doesn't support Extended Messages it means it = doesn't support this document...so we can't Normatively tell them what = to do.

&nbs= p;

rfc4271/=C2= =A76.1 (Message Header Error Handling) specifies what to do if, among = other things, the length is greater than 4096...so that would be what = the speaker who doesn't support this document would = do.

&nbs= p;

NEW>

  =  If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is = received

  =  by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended = Message

  =  Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the = Error 

  =  Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271], Section = 6.1).

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Thanks!

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Alvaro.

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------=_NextPart_000_0139_01D54792.FBFE9320-- From nobody Wed Jul 31 09:01:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDDF1202AF; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHVotMjkNZLh; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9A2E120018; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.25.161.218; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Enke Chen \(enkechen\)'" , "'Randy Bush'" , "'Alvaro Retana'" Cc: , , , "'The IESG'" , =?UTF-8?Q?'=22Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracke?= =?UTF-8?Q?r=22'?= References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 12:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <016b01d547b9$27e07140$77a153c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHOmb0+S0HtjOtDEV+BauB+7nkX8wJXZMzlAsGO61MCti00KgFKU5JoAL6K2YSmo36vwA== X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190731-0, 07/31/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:01:31 -0000 Enke: Your point is that a BGP speaker is defined in RFC5492 and a BGP = listener is not?=20 Cheerily, Susan Hares=20 -----Original Message----- From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Enke Chen = (enkechen) Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:53 PM To: Randy Bush; Alvaro Retana Cc: idr@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; The IESG; "Mirja = K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker" Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) Hi, Randy and Alvaro: Here is a patch that would clarify the capability definition, the issue = that I brought up before. It also include changing "BGP listener" to "BGP speaker" in two places. Thanks. -- Enke *** bgp-large-msg-34.txt.orig Tue Jul 30 18:24:32 2019 --- bgp-large-msg-34.txt Tue Jul 30 18:34:07 2019 *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 120,148 **** defined with Capability code 6 and Capability length 0. =20 To advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. By advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP ! speaker conveys that it is able to send, receive, and properly handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended Messages. =20 - A peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP - Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to = it. -=20 Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended Message capability MUST support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE Messages per [RFC7606]. =20 4. Operation =20 The Extended Message Capability applies to all messages except for the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former exception is to reduce the complexity of providing backward compatibility. =20 ! A BGP speaker that is capable of sending and receiving BGP Extended Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to = its peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP = speaker ! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the Extended Message Capability was received from that peer. =20 An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Message = capability MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and including 65,535 octets. --- 120,145 ---- defined with Capability code 6 and Capability length 0. =20 To advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. By advertising the BGP Extended Message Capability to a peer, a BGP ! speaker conveys that it is able to receive, and properly handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended Messages. =20 Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended Message capability MUST support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE Messages per [RFC7606]. =20 4. Operation =20 The Extended Message Capability applies to all messages except for the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former exception is to reduce the complexity of providing backward compatibility. =20 ! A BGP speaker that is capable of receiving BGP Extended Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to = its peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP = speaker ! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message Capability was received from that peer. =20 An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Message = capability MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and including 65,535 octets. *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 157,168 **** 4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so as not to require downstream routers to decompose for peers that do not support Extended Messages. See Section 8. =20 If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is = received ! by a BGP listener who has not advertised the Extended Message ! Capability, the listener will generate a NOTIFICATION with the = Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] Sec 6.1). =20 =20 =20 Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page = 3] --- 154,165 ---- 4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so as not to require downstream routers to decompose for peers that do not support Extended Messages. See Section 8. =20 If a BGP message with a Length greater than 4,096 octets is = received ! by a BGP speaker who has not advertised the Extended Message ! Capability, the speaker will generate a NOTIFICATION with the Error Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] Sec 6.1). =20 =20 =20 Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page = 3] *************** Internet-Draft Extended Message sup *** 175,190 **** speakers which may not support Extended Messages. Therefore, an announcement in an Extended Message where the size of the attribute set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets may cause lack of reachability. =20 ! A BGP speaker with a mixture of peers some of which have advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability and some which have not, may ! receive an UPDATE from one of its capable peers that produces an ongoing announcement that is larger than 4,096 octets. When propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor which has not = advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability, the sender SHOULD try to = reduce the outgoing message size by removing attributes eligible under the "attribute discard" approach of [RFC7606]. If the message is still too big, then it must not be sent to the neighbor ([RFC4271], Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was previously advertised = to that peer, it must be withdrawn from service ([RFC4271], --- 172,187 ---- speakers which may not support Extended Messages. Therefore, an announcement in an Extended Message where the size of the attribute set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets may cause lack of reachability. =20 ! A BGP speaker that has advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability to its peers, may ! receive an UPDATE from one of its peers that produces an ongoing announcement that is larger than 4,096 octets. When propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor which has not = advertised ! the BGP Extended Message capability, the speaker SHOULD try to = reduce the outgoing message size by removing attributes eligible under the "attribute discard" approach of [RFC7606]. If the message is still too big, then it must not be sent to the neighbor ([RFC4271], Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was previously advertised = to that peer, it must be withdrawn from service ([RFC4271], =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- From: Idr on behalf of Randy Bush Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:23 PM To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "\"Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via = Datatracker\"" , = "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org" = , The IESG = , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) i have pushed -34, as there have been lots of small changes since = -33 and iesg readers should not have to trip over old fixed junk, and instead find new junk. =20 randy =20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr =20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Wed Jul 31 09:51:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 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=?UTF-8?Q?'Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= =?UTF-8?Q?'?= References: <156449387998.2643.18137174091685834097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <016b01d547b9$27e07140$77a153c0$@ndzh.com> <440A6DAF-B715-4DC0-89B5-89BB3E299200@cisco.com> <7DC63C70-C3F0-428E-9F4C-9DE302D93748@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <7DC63C70-C3F0-428E-9F4C-9DE302D93748@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <020301d547c2$e74a2040$b5de60c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0204_01D547A1.603D3B30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHOmb0+S0HtjOtDEV+BauB+7nkX8wJXZMzlAsGO61MCti00KgFKU5JoAL6K2YQB833miQErJyF2AW222QKmfy9eYA== X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190731-0, 07/31/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:11:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0204_01D547A1.603D3B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to John=E2=80=99s comments. =20 Sue=20 =20 From: John Scudder [mailto:jgs@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:03 PM To: Enke Chen (enkechen) Cc: Hares Susan; EXT - randy; Alvaro Retana; idr@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; The = IESG; Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with COMMENT) =20 (As a WG member) On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) = wrote: =20 As I understand, the term "BGP speaker" is more commonly used, as in = this draft also. In this draft, there are numerous occurrences of the term "BGP speaker", = and two "BGP listener". It would be good to make them consistency if there is no special reason = for a distinction. =20 I agree =E2=80=94 we have a formal definition of =E2=80=9CBGP = speaker=E2=80=9D in RFC 4271: =20 BGP speaker A router that implements BGP. =20 I don=E2=80=99t think we have a definition of =E2=80=9CBGP = listener=E2=80=9D anywhere, nor is it in common use as far as I know. If = I encountered the term without context or definition to tell me the = meaning, I=E2=80=99d guess it to mean =E2=80=9Ca management station that = passively consumes one or more BGP feeds but never advertises any = routes=E2=80=9D. That doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be the intended meaning = here, so, better to switch to the well-defined term. =20 $0.02, =20 =E2=80=94John ------=_NextPart_000_0204_01D547A1.603D3B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1 to John=E2=80=99s comments.

 

Sue

 

From:= = John Scudder [mailto:jgs@juniper.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July = 31, 2019 1:03 PM
To: Enke Chen (enkechen)
Cc: Hares = Susan; EXT - randy; Alvaro Retana; idr@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; The IESG; Mirja = K=C3=BChlewind via Datatracker
Subject: Re: [Idr] Mirja = K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with = COMMENT)

 

(As a WG = member)



On = Jul 31, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) <enkechen@cisco.com> = wrote:

 

As I = understand,  the term "BGP speaker" is more commonly = used, as in this draft also.

In this draft, there are numerous = occurrences of the term "BGP speaker", and two "BGP = listener".
It would be good to make them consistency if there is = no special reason for a distinction.

 

I agree = =E2=80=94 we have a formal definition of =E2=80=9CBGP speaker=E2=80=9D = in RFC 4271:

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0 BGP =
speaker
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A router =
that implements BGP.

 

I = don=E2=80=99t think we have a definition of =E2=80=9CBGP = listener=E2=80=9D anywhere, nor is it in common use as far as I know. If = I encountered the term without context or definition to tell me the = meaning, I=E2=80=99d guess it to mean =E2=80=9Ca management station that = passively consumes one or more BGP feeds but never advertises any = routes=E2=80=9D. That doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be the intended meaning = here, so, better to switch to the well-defined = term.

 

$0.02,

 

=E2=80=94John

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I will let John and Enke respond to you first before I comment. Sue From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:18 AM To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to 8/13/2019) Hi Sue, Fully support. I'm also fine with the _current_ version of the document. Nevertheless, I'll try some comments, possibly useless but at minimum to show to the shepherd/AD that I've read and reviewed the doc. 1. Introduction [.] The Parameter Length field of individual Optional Parameters is similarly extended. I would rather remove 'similarly' or change it to 'also'. As although the technical specification is crystal clear, I fear that the sentence could be interpreted as the length field for individual optional parameters been extended the same way (length 255, followed by extended length) while this is not the case. --- The (non-extended) length field is set to 255, as is the subsequent octet that in the non-extended format would be the first Optional Parameter Type. The subsequent two octets carry the actual length. This works so let it be so. One could have argued that this encoding is borderline as per RFC 4271. May be an encoding more in line with 4271 could have been Type: 255, Length: 2, Value: actual/extended length. (i.e. adding/keeping the 'length' field of the Optional Parameter type 255). That would also have been more friendly for protocol parser (e.g. wireshark) especially since there is a chance that network operator get surprised the first time that the BGP session get rejected and may want to have a look at the open message). Note that I understand that my comment is way too late . and also a matter of opinion. --- In the event that the length of Optional Parameters in the BGP OPEN message does not exceed 255, the encodings of the base BGP specification [ RFC4271] MUST be used without alteration. Could the document define the error handling if this MUST is not followed? I believe any option (notification or silently ignore) works, but in general I have a preference for error handling to be covered by the spec. That may also be the opportunity to remove the following sentence "If the value of this field is zero, no Optional Parameters are present (this would never be expected to happen with the extended encoding, however). > which is both not general enough (does not cover length 1-254) and appears in the general specification/behavior while it's about error handling. --- As of 2019, I feel that this extension may have been an opportunity to also enable the use of BGP extended message length for the BGP OPEN message. (if the "BGP Extended Message" capability was also exchanged.). Alternatively, the burden of defining this could also been in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages. But probably too late for both documents so let's move forward. Thanks, Regards, --Bruno From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:06 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to 8/13/2019) This begins a 2 week working group last call on draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt from 7/30 to 8/13/2019. You can access the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param/ John and Enke - I am counting on you gather information on the 2 implementations and post this on the IDR Wiki during these 2 weeks. For the WG, consider if: 1) The technology is ready for publication or if there are flaws that prevent its publication, 2) Is this technology useful to BGP deployments? 3) Are there any minor editorial errors the authors should address before publication. 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Bruno:

 

Thank you for your = normal detailed review.    I will let John and Enke = respond to you first before I comment.

 

Sue =

 

From:= = bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] =
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:18 AM
To: Susan = Hares; idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] = draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to = 8/13/2019)

 

Hi Sue,

 

Fully = support.

I’m also fine with the _current_ = version of the document.

 

Nevertheless, I’ll = try some comments, possibly useless but at minimum to show to the = shepherd/AD that I’ve read and reviewed the doc. =

 

1.  Introduction

[…]

The Parameter = Length field of individual Optional Parameters is similarly = extended.

 

I would rather remove = ‘similarly’ or change it to ‘also’. As although = the technical specification is crystal clear, I fear that the sentence = could be interpreted as the length field for individual optional = parameters been extended the same way (length 255, followed by extended = length) while this is not the case.

 

---

The (non-extended) =
length field is set to
   255, as is the =
subsequent octet that in the non-extended format =
would
   be the first Optional Parameter =
Type.  The subsequent two octets
   =
carry the actual length.

 

This works so let it be = so.

One could have argued that this encoding is = borderline as per RFC 4271. May be an encoding  more in line with = 4271 could have been Type: 255, Length: 2, Value: actual/extended = length. (i.e. adding/keeping the ‘length’ field of the = Optional Parameter type 255). That would also have been more friendly = for protocol parser (e.g. wireshark) especially since there is a chance = that network operator get surprised the first time that the BGP session = get rejected and may want to have a look at the open = message).

Note that I understand that my comment is way = too late … and also a matter of opinion.

---

   In =
the event that the length of Optional Parameters in the BGP =
OPEN
   message does not exceed 255, the =
encodings of the base BGP
   =
specification [RFC4271] MUST be used without =
alteration.

 

Could the document = define the error handling if this MUST is not followed? I believe any = option (notification or silently ignore) works, but in general I have a = preference for error handling to be covered by the = spec.

That may also be the opportunity to remove the following =
sentence =
“If the value of this field is zero, no Optional Parameters =
are present (this would never be expected to happen with the extended =
encoding, however). » which is both not general enough (does not cover length 1-254) and =
appears in the general specification/behavior while it’s about =
error handling.

---

As of 2019, I feel that = this extension may have been an opportunity to also enable the use of = BGP extended message length for the BGP OPEN message. (if the “BGP = Extended Message” capability was also exchanged.). Alternatively, = the burden of defining this could also been in = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages. But probably too late for both = documents so let’s move forward.

 

Thanks,

Regards,

--Bruno

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:06 PM
To: = idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] = draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt - 2 Week WG LC (7/30 to = 8/13/2019)

 

This begins a 2 week working group last = call on draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-06.txt from 7/30 to 8/13/2019. =  

 

You can access the draft at: =

 

h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param/

 

John and Enke – I am counting on you = gather information on the 2 implementations and post this on the IDR = Wiki during these 2 weeks.

 

For the WG, consider if:

 

1)      = The technology is ready = for publication or if there are flaws that prevent its publication, =

2)      = Is this technology useful = to BGP deployments?

3)      = Are there any minor = editorial errors the authors should address before publication. =

 

 

Cheerily, Sue Hares

 

 

 

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Alvaro:

 

Just to let you know that the text below:

 

=E2=80=9CA peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT = send BGP=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST = NOT be sent to it.=E2=80=9D

 

was added due to comments on the IDR WG list from reviewers and = operators.=C2=A0=C2=A0

 

The peer is a =E2=80=9CBGP peer=E2=80=9D and it was debated on list = that since this alters RFC4271 that this text was appropriate to = indicate how BGP peers (which are not supporting Extended = Messages=E2=80=9D .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

 

Sue

 

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro = Retana
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:20 AM
To: = Enke Chen (enkechen); Randy Bush
Cc: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind via = Datatracker; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; = idr@ietf.org; The IESG; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] = Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33: (with = COMMENT)

 

On July = 30, 2019 at 9:53:36 PM, Enke Chen (enkechen) (enkechen@cisco.com) = wrote:

&nbs= p;

Enke:

&nbs= p;

Hi!<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

Here is a patch that would clarify the capability = definition, the issue that I brought up before. 
It also include changing = "BGP listener" to "BGP speaker" in two places. 

I looked = at the changes and they look good tome.  I think that generalizing = to =E2=80=9Cspeaker=E2=80=9D does help.

Thanks!!<= o:p>

Alvaro.

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

*** bgp-large-msg-34.txt.orig Tue Jul 30 18:24:32 2019 
--- bgp-large-msg-34.txt = Tue Jul 30 18:34:07 2019 
*************** Internet-Draft = Extended Message sup 
*** 120,148 **** 
defined with Capability code 6 and Capability = length 0. 

To advertise the BGP Extended Message = Capability to a peer, a BGP 
speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement = [RFC5492]. By 
advertising the BGP Extended Message = Capability to a peer, a BGP 
! speaker conveys that it is able to send, = receive, and properly 
handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended = Messages. 

- A peer which does not advertise this = capability MUST NOT send BGP 
- Extended Messages, and BGP Extended = Messages MUST NOT be sent to it. 
- 
Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended = Message capability MUST 
support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE = Messages per [RFC7606]. 

4. Operation 

The Extended Message Capability applies to = all messages except for 
the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former = exception is to reduce 
the complexity of providing backward = compatibility. 

! A BGP speaker that is capable of sending = and receiving BGP Extended 
Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended = Message Capability to its 
peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement = [RFC5492]. A BGP speaker 
! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer if the = Extended Message 
Capability was received from that peer. 

An implementation that advertises the BGP = Extended Message capability 
MUST be capable of receiving a message with a = Length up to and 
including 65,535 octets. 
--- 120,145 ---- 
defined with Capability code 6 and Capability = length 0. 

To advertise the BGP Extended Message = Capability to a peer, a BGP 
speaker uses BGP Capabilities Advertisement = [RFC5492]. By 
advertising the BGP Extended Message = Capability to a peer, a BGP 
! speaker conveys that it is able to receive, = and properly 
handle, see Section 4, BGP Extended = Messages. 

Peers that wish to use the BGP Extended = Message capability MUST 
support Error Handling for BGP UPDATE = Messages per [RFC7606]. 

4. Operation 

The Extended Message Capability applies to = all messages except for 
the OPEN and KEEPALIVE messages. The former = exception is to reduce 
the complexity of providing backward = compatibility. 

! A BGP speaker that is capable of receiving = BGP Extended 
Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended = Message Capability to its 
peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement = [RFC5492]. A BGP speaker 
! MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only = if the Extended Message 
Capability was received from that peer. 

An implementation that advertises the BGP = Extended Message capability 
MUST be capable of receiving a message with a = Length up to and 
including 65,535 octets. 
*************** Internet-Draft Extended = Message sup 
*** 157,168 **** 
4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so = as not to require 
downstream routers to decompose for peers = that do not support 
Extended Messages. See Section 8.. 

If a BGP message with a Length greater than = 4,096 octets is received 
! by a BGP listener who has not advertised = the Extended Message 
! Capability, the listener will generate a = NOTIFICATION with the Error 
Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] = Sec 6.1). 



Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page = 3] 
--- 154,165 ---- 
4,096 octet pre- Extended Message limit, so = as not to require 
downstream routers to decompose for peers = that do not support 
Extended Messages. See Section 8. 

If a BGP message with a Length greater than = 4,096 octets is received 
! by a BGP speaker who has not advertised the = Extended Message 
! Capability, the speaker will generate a = NOTIFICATION with the Error 
Subcode set to Bad Message Length ([RFC4271] = Sec 6.1). 



Bush, et al. Expires January 31, 2020 [Page = 3] 
*************** Internet-Draft Extended = Message sup 
*** 175,190 **** 
speakers which may not support Extended = Messages. Therefore, an 
announcement in an Extended Message where the = size of the attribute 
set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets = may cause lack of 
reachability. 

! A BGP speaker with a mixture of peers some = of which have advertised 
! the BGP Extended Message capability and = some which have not, may 
! receive an UPDATE from one of its capable = peers that produces an 
ongoing announcement that is larger than = 4,096 octets. When 
propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor = which has not advertised 
! the BGP Extended Message capability, the = sender SHOULD try to reduce 
the outgoing message size by removing = attributes eligible under the 
"attribute discard" approach of = [RFC7606]. If the message is still 
too big, then it must not be sent to the = neighbor ([RFC4271], 
Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was = previously advertised to 
that peer, it must be withdrawn from service = ([RFC4271], 
--- 172,187 ---- 
speakers which may not support Extended = Messages. Therefore, an 
announcement in an Extended Message where the = size of the attribute 
set plus the NLRI is larger than 4,096 octets = may cause lack of 
reachability. 

! A BGP speaker that has advertised 
! the BGP Extended Message capability to its = peers, may 
! receive an UPDATE from one of its peers = that produces an 
ongoing announcement that is larger than = 4,096 octets. When 
propagating that UPDATE onward to a neighbor = which has not advertised 
! the BGP Extended Message capability, the = speaker SHOULD try to reduce 
the outgoing message size by removing = attributes eligible under the 
"attribute discard" approach of = [RFC7606]. If the message is still 
too big, then it must not be sent to the = neighbor ([RFC4271], 
Section 9.2). Additionally, if the NLRI was = previously advertised to 
that peer, it must be withdrawn from service = ([RFC4271], 

&nbs= p;

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boundary="00000000000048aaec058effa758" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-33=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:06:01 -0000 --00000000000048aaec058effa758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue: I think that this point was addressed in this thread [1], but I will send a message to the WG to confirm. It is good that we cross all our Ts Extended Message is an important change to BGP. Thanks! Alvaro. P.S. BTW, we (me included) should probably not keep hijacking this thread to address additional points. :-) On July 31, 2019 at 1:31:11 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) wrote: Just to let you know that the text below: =E2=80=9CA peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to it.=E2= =80=9D was added due to comments on the IDR WG list from reviewers and operators. --00000000000048aaec058effa758 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Sue:

I think that this point was addressed in this thread [1], but I wil= l send a message to the WG to confirm.

It is good that we cross all our Ts Extended Message is= an important change to BGP.

Thanks!

A= lvaro.


P.S.= =C2=A0 BTW, we (me included) should probably not keep hijacking this thread= to address additional points. :-)

On July 31, 2019 at 1:31:11 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) wrote:

Just to let you know that the text below:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CA peer w= hich does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

<= span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Extended Messages, an= d BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to it.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

was added due to comme= nts on the IDR WG list from reviewers and operators.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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Enke had brought up [1] some confusion in the text in rfc5492 related to the need, or not, for both BGP speakers to advertise a Capability before it can be used. I discussed this point with Enke and John Scudder last week in Montreal =E2=80=94 we looked at the text in the RFC and how recent Capab= ilities had been specified =E2=80=94 and concluded that the intent of the RFC was t= o require at least one speaker to advertise the Capability=E2=80=A6but that i= t should be the responsibility of any document defining a Capability to explicitly specify any changes. IOW, in some cases it may be enough for one of the peers to advertise a Capability, but in other cases it may be required for both to do so. [Enke/John will work on an Update to rfc5492 to clarify.] Related to Extended Messages, here=E2=80=99s is what Enke proposed on the l= ist [2]: As long as Speaker A is able and willing to receive large messages (by advertising the capability), its neighbor would be allowed to send such messages to Speaker A. Such behavior does not depend on whether Speaker A is able / willing / need to send any large messages to its neighbors. We have modified the text in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages to reflect Enke=E2=80=99s proposal (from -35): A BGP speaker that is capable of receiving BGP Extended Messages SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to its peers using BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492]. A BGP speaker MAY send Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message Capability was received from that peer. An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Message capability MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to and including 65,535 octets. During the IESG Evaluation, Sue pointed out that we removed the piece of text below: Just to let you know that the text below: =E2=80=9CA peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to it.=E2= =80=9D was added due to comments on the IDR WG list from reviewers and operators. Given that Extended Messages is a very important extension to BGP, and even though I didn=E2=80=99t see objections in the thread mentioned above, I wan= t to confirm one more time that the current text is ok with the WG. The effective change is really related to the piece that says "A peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP Extended Messages=E2= =80=9D, which would require that both peers advertise the Capability before it can be used. Please reply with any comments by end-of-day on August 8, 2019. Please explain any arguments against what is currently specified in -35. The document is scheduled to be considered by the IESG on Aug/8, but I will hold approving publication until there is consensus on this thread. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/vaBLOKHQZlRCiJOMTT8VjJrWp7c [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/K5rA5rVci6VhMv5-UqXXaoRlvXo --000000000000ae9767058effa72d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On July 31, 2019 at 1:31:11 PM, Susan Hares (shares@ndzh.com) wrote:

Dear WG:

<= font face=3D"Helvetica">As I hope all of you know, the Extended Messages dr= aft is being processed by the IESG.
<= font face=3D"Helvetica">
Enke had brought up [1] some confusion in the text in rfc5= 492 related to the need, or not, for both BGP speakers to advertise a Capab= ility before it can be used.=C2=A0 I discussed this point with Enke and Joh= n Scudder last week in Montreal =E2=80=94 we looked at the text in the RFC = and how recent Capabilities had been specified =E2=80=94 and concluded that= the intent of the RFC was to require at least one speaker to advertise the= Capability=E2=80=A6but that it should be the responsibility of any documen= t defining a Capability to explicitly specify any changes. =C2=A0

IOW, in some cases it may be= enough for one of the peers to advertise a Capability, but in other cases = it may be required for both to do so. =C2=A0[Enke/John will work on an Upda= te to rfc5492 to clarify.]

Related to Extended Messages, here=E2=80=99s is what Enke proposed = on the list [2]:

<= font face=3D"Helvetica">=C2=A0 =C2=A0As long as Speaker A is able and willi= ng to receive large messages (by advertising=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the capability), its = neighbor would be allowed to send such messages to Speaker A.=C2=A0<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Such b= ehavior does not depend on whether Speaker A is able / willing / need to=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0send any large messages to its neighbors.=C2=A0


We have modified the text in=C2=A0draft-ietf-id= r-bgp-extended-messages to reflect Enke=E2=80=99s proposal (from -35):

=C2=A0 =C2=A0A BGP speaker that is capable of receiving BGP Extended Mes= sages
=C2=A0= =C2=A0SHOULD advertise the BGP Extended Message Capability to its peers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0u= sing BGP Capabilities Advertisement [RFC5492].=C2=A0 A BGP speaker MAY
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sen= d Extended Messages to a peer only if the Extended Message
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Capability was = received from that peer.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0An implementation that advertises the BGP Extended Mes= sage capability
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be capable of receiving a message with a Length up to= and
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0including 65,535 octets.


During the IESG Evaluation, Sue pointed out that we removed the piece = of text below:

Just to let y= ou know that the text below:

=C2=A0<= /p>

=E2=80=9CA peer which does not advertise this cap= ability MUST NOT send BGP=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT = be sent to it.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

was added due to comments on the IDR WG list from revie= wers and operators.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=

Given that Extended Messages is a very im= portant extension to BGP, and even though I didn=E2=80=99t see objections i= n the thread mentioned above, I want to confirm one more time that the curr= ent text is ok with the WG.=C2=A0 The effective change is really related to= the piece that says "A peer which does not advertise this capability = MUST NOT send BGP Extended Messages=E2=80=9D, which would require that both= peers advertise the Capability before it can be used.

Please reply with any comments by end-of-day on August 8,= 2019.=C2=A0 Please explain any arguments against what is currently=C2=A0sp= ecified in -35. =C2=A0 The document is scheduled to be considered by the IE= SG on Aug/8, but I will hold approving publication until there is consensus= on this thread.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


<= /div>
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The > > length of this attribute is 0. > > > > [Comment] The length of this attribute should be 4 per the description o= f > section 6. > > Type 35 with the name =E2=80=9CInternal Only To Customer=E2=80=9D has bee= n assigned to > previous version of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy. Can we simply use Typ= e > 35 for "Only To Customer" attribute, or apply a new one? > > IMNSHO, apply for a new one. (It's not like there is a danger of running out any time soon.) Technically, the previous one had different meaning/semantics, and was assigned. The principal of "don't re-use, no matter what" should apply to be 100% certain no one did an early implementation that now conflicts with the new semantics. It is the only way to be safe for absolute certain. Brian > Thanks, > > Shunwan > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > --0000000000004ac878058f003fd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 7:50 PM Zhuan= gshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huaw= ei.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

=C2=A0

Section 9 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-06 says:=

=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document defines a new optional, t= ransitive BGP Path Attributes

=C2=A0=C2=A0 option, named "Only To Customer&qu= ot;, assigned value <TBD3> [To be

=C2=A0=C2=A0 removed upon publication: http://www.iana.org/a= ssignments/bgp-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 parameters/bgp-parameters.xhtml#bgp-par= ameters-2] [RFC4271].=C2=A0 The

=C2=A0=C2=A0 length of this attribute is 0.

=C2=A0

[Comment]=C2=A0 The length of this attribute should = be 4 per the description of section 6.

Type 35 with the name =E2=80=9CInternal Only To Cust= omer=E2=80=9D has been assigned to previous version of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-o= pen-policy. Can we simply use Type 35 for "Only To Customer" attr= ibute, or apply a new one?


<= div>IMNSHO, apply for a new one.
(It's not like there is a da= nger of running out any time soon.)

Technically, t= he previous one had different meaning/semantics, and was assigned.=C2=A0
The principal of "don't re-use, no matter what" shoul= d apply to be 100% certain no one did an early implementation that now conf= licts with the new semantics.
It is the only way to be safe for a= bsolute certain.

Brian
=C2=A0

=C2=A0= Thanks,

Shunwan

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--0000000000004ac878058f003fd2-- From nobody Wed Jul 31 14:14:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BDE12002F; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:14:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1IKoSDOm9pR; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB30A120018; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A11D91E2F5; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:16:02 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "idr@ietf. org" , idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org, Susan Hares Message-ID: <20190731211602.GA31271@pfrc.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:14:09 -0000 On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 01:06:04PM -0700, Alvaro Retana wrote: > During the IESG Evaluation, Sue pointed out that we removed the piece of > text below: > > Just to let you know that the text below: > > “A peer which does not advertise this capability MUST NOT send BGP > Extended Messages, and BGP Extended Messages MUST NOT be sent to it.†> > was added due to comments on the IDR WG list from reviewers and operators. > > Given that Extended Messages is a very important extension to BGP, and even > though I didn’t see objections in the thread mentioned above, I want to > confirm one more time that the current text is ok with the WG. I am fine with the current text, although my opinion is nuanced. By requiring bi-directional advertisement of the capability, UPDATEs sent from one can have NOTIFICATIONs of similar size. This avoids some ugly edge conditions that would result from uni-directional advertisement of the capability. The converse argument, which I'm not supporting, is that uni-directional advertisement intentionally lets peers opt-out of receiving extended messages, even it understands them. Let the bi-directional requirement stand. 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Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9KOP0g6hqFiZ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED347120043; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1BDCE1E2F5; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:29:11 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: "Enke Chen (enkechen)" Cc: Alvaro Retana , "idr@ietf. org" , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org" , Susan Hares , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190801002911.GB31271@pfrc.org> References: <20190731211602.GA31271@pfrc.org> <119404A5-8384-456B-9677-0445899B008F@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <119404A5-8384-456B-9677-0445899B008F@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 00:27:17 -0000 Enke, On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 09:50:08PM +0000, Enke Chen (enkechen) wrote: > >> Note that RFC 6793 (4-byte ASes) require bi-directional advertisement. > > No, this statement is not correct. It is fundamental (in transition) for a BGP speaker > to be able to talk to both NEW speakers (that have advertised the capability), and OLD > speakers (that have not advertised the capability). Different encodings are used in the > UPDATE message depending on whether the 4-byte AS capability is received from a > neighbor. I should have known I wasn't pedantic enough in this comment. :-) The point here is that in order to exercise the procedures between NEW BGP speakers, (RFC 6793, §4.1), both sides must advertise and use the capability. If you have a mix, each speaks 4271 to each other with the new speaker running the transitional procedures. With regard to the extended messaging, my preference is that both sides advertise the capability in order to use the large messages. A mis-match falling back to 4271 4k PDUs is fine - symmetrically. Asymmetrically sending extended messages leads to a mess of edge cases. -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 31 22:04:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D693812018B; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=mhrApKoM; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=qksMW8zH Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akDFBnE_n6cM; 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Thu, 1 Aug 2019 05:04:37 +0000 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Jeffrey Haas , "Enke Chen (enkechen)" CC: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf. org" , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org" , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages Thread-Index: AQHVR9vBQjRvIAbX5keDAJxM/9Uil6blOpgAgAAJhwCAACxwgIAARlPw Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 05:04:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20190731211602.GA31271@pfrc.org> <119404A5-8384-456B-9677-0445899B008F@cisco.com> <20190801002911.GB31271@pfrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20190801002911.GB31271@pfrc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jheitz@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [2001:420:c0c8:1007::ea] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: c644cc20-b6e5-4186-e646-08d7163dc09b x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(5600148)(711020)(4605104)(1401327)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(2017052603328)(7193020); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c644cc20-b6e5-4186-e646-08d7163dc09b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Aug 2019 05:04:37.4444 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: jheitz@cisco.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR11MB3238 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.26, xch-rcd-016.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-11.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 05:04:55 -0000 I'll raise you one. A single speaker in a network that is not capable of receiving extended messages will lead to a mess of (non-edge) cases.=20 How about: A BGP speaker MUST NOT send the extended messages capability in an OPEN message to any BGP speaker if it has received an OPEN message without the extended message capability from any BGP speaker. A BGP speaker MUST delay sending an OPEN message to any BGP speaker by one keepalive interval if that OPEN message will contain the extended message capability and it has not yet received an OPEN message from every configured BGP speaker. The stated OPEN messages are understood to be of current or future BGP sessions, not of old sessions that have been taken down. This will reduce, but not completely eliminate the mess cases. Regards, Jakob. -----Original Message----- From: Idr On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:29 PM To: Enke Chen (enkechen) Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org; idr@ietf. org ; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-e= xtended-messages@ietf.org; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-= messages Enke, On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 09:50:08PM +0000, Enke Chen (enkechen) wrote: > >> Note that RFC 6793 (4-byte ASes) require bi-directional advertisement= . >=20 > No, this statement is not correct. It is fundamental (in transition) for = a BGP speaker > to be able to talk to both NEW speakers (that have advertised the capabil= ity), and OLD > speakers (that have not advertised the capability). Different encodings = are used in the > UPDATE message depending on whether the 4-byte AS capability is received = from a > neighbor. I should have known I wasn't pedantic enough in this comment. :-) The point here is that in order to exercise the procedures between NEW BGP speakers, (RFC 6793, =A74.1), both sides must advertise and use the capability. If you have a mix, each speaks 4271 to each other with the new speaker running the transitional procedures. With regard to the extended messaging, my preference is that both sides advertise the capability in order to use the large messages. A mis-match falling back to 4271 4k PDUs is fine - symmetrically. Asymmetrically sending extended messages leads to a mess of edge cases. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Wed Jul 31 22:29:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF9C120026; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=mc57T+sl; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=e8DRDftl 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(enkechen)" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf. org" , "draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org" , Susan Hares In-Reply-To: References: <20190731211602.GA31271@pfrc.org> <119404A5-8384-456B-9677-0445899B008F@cisco.com> <20190801002911.GB31271@pfrc.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] Capability Advertisement in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:17:59 -0000 > A BGP speaker MUST NOT send the extended messages capability in an > OPEN message to any BGP speaker if it has received an OPEN message > without the extended message capability from any BGP speaker. so, until every router in the bgp internet is extended enabled, no router may use extended. i suspect you may not want this consequence. randy