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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call (10/14 to 10/28/2019)
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Huiamo: 

<wg chair hat on> 

The title draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd is acceptable to this chair.   If you would
like to submit draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd,
then please let me know.   I will enable your submission of the draft. 

 

Sue Hares 

 

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huaimo Chen
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:44 PM
To: Susan Hares; 'Christoph Loibl'
Cc: 'idr wg'
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call
(10/14 to 10/28/2019)

 

Hi Christoph, 

 

    Thanks much for your support and suggesting tilte draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd
for the draft.

   This title is good. Would it be better to use
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-routing-policy-distribution? 

    The latter is similar to other titles such as
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sr-policy-path-segment.

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

  _____  

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:10 AM
To: 'Christoph Loibl' <c@tix.at>
Cc: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call
(10/14 to 10/28/2019) 

 

Christoph: 
<WG member hat on, individual contributor>
I agree with your review of the title. 

Sue Hares

-----Original Message-----
From: Christoph Loibl [mailto:c@tix.at] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr wg
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call
(10/14 to 10/28/2019)

I know, I am very late with my support. I was unable to read the latest
version of the document till now. 

I fully support the adoption (this happened already I know).

However, one thing I want to mention:

The technology described in the document is not really related to BGP
Flowspec and even the title has been changed in the meantime:

        from
        BGP FlowSpec Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-00)
        to
        BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-05)

I recommend using a different working-title for the draft as well (currently
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd / draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd) to avoid confusion
with other flowspec related work in IDR (ie. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd-00)

Cheers Christoph

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> On 14.10.2019, at 21:18, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
> 
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for
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D'>&lt;wg chair hat on&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The title draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd is acceptable to this =
chair.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you would like to submit =
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd, then please =
let me know. &nbsp;&nbsp;I will enable your submission of the draft. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Huaimo =
Chen<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Susan Hares; 'Christoph Loibl'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg'<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call (10/14 to =
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style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Christoph,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Thanks much for your support and suggesting tilte</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>&nbsp;draft-ietf-idr-bgp-r=
pd for the draft.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>&nbsp; &nbsp;This title =
is good. Would it be better to use&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'=
>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-routing-policy-distribution?&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'=
>&nbsp; &nbsp; The latter is similar to other titles such as =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sr-policy-path-segment.</span><span =
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n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Huaimo<o:p></o:p=
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> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Susan Hares =
&lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:10 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Christoph Loibl' &lt;c@tix.at&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr =
wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] =
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call (10/14 to =
10/28/2019)</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Christoph: <br>&lt;WG =
member hat on, individual contributor&gt;<br>I agree with your review of =
the title. <br><br>Sue Hares<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: =
Christoph Loibl [<a href=3D"mailto:c@tix.at">mailto:c@tix.at</a>] =
<br>Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:43 PM<br>To: Susan Hares<br>Cc: =
idr wg<br>Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG =
Adoption call<br>(10/14 to 10/28/2019)<br><br>I know, I am very late =
with my support. I was unable to read the latest<br>version of the =
document till now. <br><br>I fully support the adoption (this happened =
already I know).<br><br>However, one thing I want to mention:<br><br>The =
technology described in the document is not really related to =
BGP<br>Flowspec and even the title has been changed in the =
meantime:<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
from<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BGP FlowSpec =
Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) =
(-00)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BGP Extensions for =
Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-05)<br><br>I recommend using a =
different working-title for the draft as well =
(currently<br>draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd / draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd) =
to avoid confusion<br>with other flowspec related work in IDR (ie. =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd-00)<br><br>Cheers Christoph<br><br>-- =
<br>Christoph Loibl<br>c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | <a =
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adoption call for draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05..txt<br><br>&gt; (10/14 =
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Hi Sue,

    Thank you very much for your time.
    We would like to submit it as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd.

Best Regards,
Huaimo
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Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 8:56 AM
To: Huaimo Chen <hchen@futurewei.com>; 'Christoph Loibl' <c@tix.at>
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Huiamo:

<wg chair hat on>

The title draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd is acceptable to this chair.   If you woul=
d like to submit draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd=
, then please let me know.   I will enable your submission of the draft.



Sue Hares



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Hi Christoph,



    Thanks much for your support and suggesting tilte draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rp=
d for the draft.

   This title is good. Would it be better to use draft-ietf-idr-bgp-routing=
-policy-distribution?

    The latter is similar to other titles such as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sr-pol=
icy-path-segment.



Best Regards,

Huaimo

________________________________

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Christoph:
<WG member hat on, individual contributor>
I agree with your review of the title.

Sue Hares

-----Original Message-----
From: Christoph Loibl [mailto:c@tix.at]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr wg
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call
(10/14 to 10/28/2019)

I know, I am very late with my support. I was unable to read the latest
version of the document till now.

I fully support the adoption (this happened already I know).

However, one thing I want to mention:

The technology described in the document is not really related to BGP
Flowspec and even the title has been changed in the meantime:

        from
        BGP FlowSpec Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-00)
        to
        BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-05)

I recommend using a different working-title for the draft as well (currentl=
y
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd / draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd) to avoid confusion
with other flowspec related work in IDR (ie. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd-00)

Cheers Christoph

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> On 14.10.2019, at 21:18, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
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> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05..t=
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Hi Sue,</div>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; Thank you very much for your time.</div>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; We would like to&nbsp;submit it as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd.</d=
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Huaimo</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Susan Hares &lt;share=
s@ndzh.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 1, 2019 8:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Huaimo Chen &lt;hchen@futurewei.com&gt;; 'Christoph Loibl' &lt;c=
@tix.at&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption ca=
ll (10/14 to 10/28/2019)</font>
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;; color:#1F497D">The title draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd is acceptable=
 to this chair.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you would like to submit draft-li-idr-flowsp=
ec-rpd-05.txt as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd, then please let me know.
 &nbsp;&nbsp;I will enable your submission of the draft. </span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-famil=
y:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.=
org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Huaimo Chen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Hares; 'Christoph Loibl'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption ca=
ll (10/14 to 10/28/2019)</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; colo=
r:black">Hi Christoph,&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; colo=
r:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks much for your support and suggesting tilte</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
 color:black; background:white">&nbsp;draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd for the draft.=
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;; color:black"></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; col=
or:black; background:white">&nbsp; &nbsp;This title is good. Would it be be=
tter to use&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;; color:black; background:white">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-routi=
ng-policy-distribution?&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black"></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; colo=
r:black; background:white">&nbsp; &nbsp; The latter is similar to other tit=
les such as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sr-policy-path-segment.</span><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black"></spa=
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r:black">Best Regards,</span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;; color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black"> I=
dr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.co=
m&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Christoph Loibl' &lt;c@tix.at&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'idr wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption ca=
ll (10/14 to 10/28/2019)</span>
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Christoph: <br>
&lt;WG member hat on, individual contributor&gt;<br>
I agree with your review of the title. <br>
<br>
Sue Hares<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Christoph Loibl [<a href=3D"mailto:c@tix.at">mailto:c@tix.at</a>] <br=
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:43 PM<br>
To: Susan Hares<br>
Cc: idr wg<br>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt - WG Adoption call<br>
(10/14 to 10/28/2019)<br>
<br>
I know, I am very late with my support. I was unable to read the latest<br>
version of the document till now. <br>
<br>
I fully support the adoption (this happened already I know).<br>
<br>
However, one thing I want to mention:<br>
<br>
The technology described in the document is not really related to BGP<br>
Flowspec and even the title has been changed in the meantime:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; from<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BGP FlowSpec Extensions for Rout=
ing Policy Distribution (RPD) (-00)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BGP Extensions for Routing Polic=
y Distribution (RPD) (-05)<br>
<br>
I recommend using a different working-title for the draft as well (currentl=
y<br>
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd / draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd) to avoid confusion=
<br>
with other flowspec related work in IDR (ie. draft-ietf-idr-bgp-rpd-00)<br>
<br>
Cheers Christoph<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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&gt; On 14.10.2019, at 21:18, Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05=
..txt<br>
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&gt; In your discussion regarding this draft consider if:<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; 1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Passing extended policy in BGP&nbsp; =
is useful,<br>
&gt; 2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Passing policy in wide community atom=
 is a technical sound<br>
mechanism,<br>
&gt; 3)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A deployment need exists for this tec=
hnology. <br>
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&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; Susan Hares<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Distribution of Link-State and Traffic Engineering Information Using BGP
        Author          : Ketan Talaulikar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis-02.txt
	Pages           : 59
	Date            : 2019-11-01

Abstract:
   In a number of environments, a component external to a network is
   called upon to perform computations based on the network topology and
   current state of the connections within the network, including
   Traffic Engineering (TE) information.  This is information typically
   distributed by IGP routing protocols within the network.

   This document describes a mechanism by which link-state and TE
   information can be collected from networks and shared with external
   components using the BGP routing protocol.  This is achieved using a
   new BGP Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) encoding
   format.  The mechanism is applicable to physical and virtual IGP
   links.  The mechanism described is subject to policy control.

   Applications of this technique include Application-Layer Traffic
   Optimization (ALTO) servers and Path Computation Elements (PCEs).

   This document obsoletes RFC 7752 by completely replacing that
   document.  It makes a number of small changes and clarifications to
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        Title           : BGP Link-State Extensions for Seamless BFD
        Authors         : Zhenbin Li
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                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Sam Aldrin
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-01.txt
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   Seamless Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (S-BFD) defines a
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   This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family to
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        Title           : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)
        Authors         : Zhenbin Li
                          Liang Ou
                          Yujia Luo
                          Sujian Lu
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                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Haibo Wang
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	Date            : 2019-11-01

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   It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a
   traditional IP network from time to time through manual
   configurations.  It is desirable to have an automatic mechanism for
   setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize
   traffic paths automatically.  This document describes BGP Extensions
   for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this.



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Hi All,

This is just a refresh and to updated the code-point assigned by IANA via t=
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Thanks,
Ketan

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Link-State Extensions for Seamless BFD
        Authors         : Zhenbin Li
                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Sam Aldrin
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-01.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2019-11-01

Abstract:
   Seamless Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (S-BFD) defines a
   simplified mechanism to use Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)
   with large portions of negotiation aspects eliminated, thus providing
   benefits such as quick provisioning as well as improved control and
   flexibility to network nodes initiating the path monitoring.  The
   link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF) have been extended to
   advertise the Seamless BFD (S-BFD) Discriminators.

   This draft defines extensions to the BGP Link-state address-family to
   carry the S-BFD Discriminators information via BGP.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : SR Policies Extensions for Path Segment and Bidirectional Path in BGP-LS
        Authors         : Cheng Li
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Huanan Chen
                          Weiqiang Cheng
                          Ketan Talaulikar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-00.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2019-11-01

Abstract:
   This document specifies the way of collecting configuration and
   states of SR policies carrying Path Segment and bidirectional path
   information by using BPG-LS.  Such information can be used by
   external conponents for many use cases such as performance
   measurement, path re-optimization and end-to-end protection.



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Hi Haibo,

My apologies since I seem to have missed responding to your email below. Pl=
ease check inline below.

From: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
Sent: 16 September 2019 13:11
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6=
-ext@ietf.org
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext

Hi Ketan,

       Can you give explanation for my last question.

Thanks,
  Haibo

From: Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 11:54 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' <ketant@cisco.com<mailto:ketant@cisco.com>>=
; draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-e=
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Cc: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext

Hi Ketan,

  Thanks for your reply.

  Your explanation is very clear, but there is still a little doubt.

  1.  In this usage, when we create EPE for a single-hop neighbor, we must =
create two routes , one for the SRv6 SID NLRI  and another for the Link NLR=
I.
        In the previous method, we only need to report a PeerNode link NLRI
[KT] Actually, we would still have two NLRIs since the descriptors for Peer=
Adj SID is different from PeerNode SID as per the BGP-LS EPE draft.


  1.  In this new definition, a PeerSet may carry a large amount of Peer No=
de SID TLV, and it may cause the message to be too large.
[KT] Not really. It is just 16 byte per peer in the PeerSet. Also, when a p=
acket with received with a PeerSet SID in the DA, what we need to do is loa=
d-balance across all Peers in that set. So I feel it more closely maps into=
 the forwarding state as well.


In this way, the whole numbers NLRI will increase.
[KT] The main idea was to use the Link NLRI to describe the actual link in =
the link-state topology and not for the Peering session which may be single=
 hop or multi-hop and may map to multiple underlying links/paths.
If it is multi-hop neighbors and all have joined to PeerSets, the number of=
 routes added is equivalent to the number of PeerSets.
If it is single neighbor and all have joined to PeerSets, the number of add=
ed routes is equivalent to the number of neighbors plus the number of PeerS=
ets.
[KT] If you see the NLRIs now more closely resemble the forwarding state on=
 the router. So whether we have more NLRIs or less would dependent on how t=
he sets are organized and we should consider the normal and not the worst t=
heoretical case.

Do we have to support both options at the same time, or do we only use the =
one described now?
[KT] Not sure I follow what options you are referring to, but we can surely=
 discuss perhaps in Singapore.

Thanks,
Ketan

Thanks,
Haibozuo

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 2:14 AM
To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com<mailto:rainsword.wang@=
huawei.com>>; draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-=
bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org>
Cc: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext

Hi Haibo,

Thanks for your review and your comments. The draft proposal for how EPE SI=
Ds are signalled for SRv6 do differ from how they are done for SR/MPLS. Thi=
s change is based on our implementation and deployment experience - there w=
as a potential to simplify the signalling of EPE SIDs for SRv6.

In a nutshell, the proposal is as follows:


  1.  PeerAdj SID is associated with an underlying interface to the connect=
ed peer. In almost every sense, it is similar to the IGP Adjacency SID. Hen=
ce, the SRv6 End.X SID TLV is used to advertise it (associated with Link NL=
RI) similar to how it=1B$B!G=1B(Bs done for PeerAdj SID for SR/MPLS. This p=
art you have no issue/doubt about.
  2.  For the PeerNode and the PeerSet SIDs, in SR/MPLS case we created ano=
ther BGP-LS Link NLRI that is separate from the one created for PeerAdj SID=
. This is because the link descriptors are different. They may be same or m=
ay not be same depending on whether the session is single-hop (i.e. using i=
nterface addresses for peering) or multi-hop (e.g. using loopback addresses=
 for peering). Note in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-seg=
ment-routing-epe-19#section-4.2 that use of link local/remote IDs are MUST =
for PeerAdj SID but may not be available for the PeerNode SID for a multi-h=
op session.

This new/additional Link NLRI for the signalling of PeerNode and PeerSet SI=
Ds is avoidable.

With SRv6, we have just a single PeerNode SID which is advertised as a SID =
associated with the Node. The SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV indicates the remo=
te peer information. So it will become:
NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI1 (local node desc + SID1)  and with it in BGP-LS Attri=
bute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer1)
NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI2 (local node desc + SID2)  and with it in BGP-LS Attri=
bute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer2)

Now, for the PeerSet SID, it is actually the same SID that is associated wi=
th multiple peers. This can be signalled using the same SRv6 BGP Peer Node =
SID TLV with the S flag set. So for a shared Set SID between two peers, it =
will become:
NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI3 (local node desc + SID3) and with it in BGP-LS Attrib=
ute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer 1 + Sflag=3Dset), Peer Node SID TLV (peer 2 +=
 Sflag=3Dset)

This seems more simpler and intuitive because we describing the SID and not=
 mixing it up with links in a link-state topology representation.

The other alternative approach was to also advertise the SRv6 BGP Peer Node=
 SID TLV along with the Link NLRI advertised for the End.X SID TLV correspo=
nding to the PeerAdj SID without requiring additional Link NLRIs (with diff=
erent descriptors) for the PeerNode and PeerSet SIDs.

I hope this clarifies and explains the reason for departure from EPE signal=
ling done for SR/MPLS.

Feedback/suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com<mailto:rainsword.wan=
g@huawei.com>>
Sent: 06 August 2019 15:43
To: draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6=
-ext@ietf.org>
Cc: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext

Hi authors,
     I have some questions about this draft, comment with blue words.



2.  BGP-LS Extensions for SRv6

   o  SRv6 End.X SID of the link state routing adjacency or the BGP EPE

      Peer Adjacency is advertised via a new SRv6 End.X SID TLV
// No doubt about this
   o  The BGP EPE Peer Node and Peer Set SID context is advertised via a
      new SRv6 BGP EPE Peer Node SID TLV
// Here use a new TLV to descripe peer node & peer set


7.2.  SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV

   The BGP Peer Node SID and Peer Set SID for SR with MPLS dataplane are

   specified in [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe].  The similar

   Peer Node and Peer Set SID functionality can be realized with SRv6

   using the END.X SRv6 SID.  The SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV is an

   optional TLV for use in the BGP-LS Attribute for an SRv6 SID NLRI

   corresponding to BGP protocol.  This TLV MUST be included along with

   SRv6 End.X SID that is associated with the BGP Peer Node or Peer Set

   functionality.
// Here said the peer node sid followed by the SRv6 SID NLRI


6.  SRv6 SID NLRI



   A new "Link-State NLRI Type" is defined for SRv6 SID information as

   following:



   o  Link-State NLRI Type: SRv6 SID NLRI (value TBD see IANA

      Considerations Section 8.1).


     0                   1                   2                   3

     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |  Protocol-ID  |

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |                        Identifier                             |

    |                        (64 bits)                              |

    ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+|

    |               Local Node Descriptors (variable)              //

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |               SRv6 SID Descriptors (variable)                //

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+





                      Figure 11: SRv6 SID NLRI Format
     // Here defined the SRv6 SID NLRI. If we use this NLRI, when we have m=
ore than one peer node,
   We may construct routes with:
   Route1: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc + SID1) + Peer Node SID (peer1) =
+ other Attr Tlv
   Route2: SRv6 SID NLRI2 (Local Node Desc + SID2) + Peer Node SID (peer2) =
+ other Attr Tlv
   Why do we have to change to this? What are the benefits of this change?

   For draft draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe, the route will be
   Route1: Link NLRI1(Local Node Desc + peer1) + Peer Node SID (peer1) + ot=
her Attr Tlv
   Route2: Link NLRI2(Local Node Desc + peer2) + Peer Node SID (peer2) + ot=
her Attr Tlv

     Also in this format, when a peer join a peer set, how to create the ro=
ute? Perhaps=1B$B!'=1B(B
   Route1: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc + SID1) + Peer Node SID (peer1) =
+ other Attr Tlv
   Route2: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc + SID2) + Peer Node SID (S-flag)=
 + other Attr Tlv
   What=1B$B!G=1B(Bs the relationship about the two routes ?
   If there exist a route3:
   Route3: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc + SID3) + Peer Node SID (S-flag)=
 + other Attr Tlv
   Now the Peer node route1 belongs to route2=1B$B!G=1B(Bs Peer Set or rout=
e3=1B$B!G=1B(Bs Peer Set?

   But it=1B$B!G=1B(Bs clear for old mpls epe draft:
   Route1: Link NLRI1(Local Node Desc + peer1) + Peer Node SID (peer1) + Pe=
er Set Sid(set1)+other Attr Tlv
   Route2: Link NLRI2(Local Node Desc + peer2) + Peer Node SID (peer2) + Pe=
er Set Sid(set1)+ other Attr Tlv



Best Regards
Haibo


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Hi Haibo,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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:EN-US">My apologies since I seem to have missed responding to your email b=
elow. Please check inline below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;rainsword.wang@huaw=
ei.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 September 2019 13:11<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;; draft-ietf-i=
dr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext=
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</o:p></span></p>
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</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hi Ketan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; Can you give explanation for my last question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp; Haibo<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 12, 2019 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.c=
om">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bg=
pls-srv6-ext@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext=
 <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hi Ketan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp; Thanks for your reply.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Your explanation is v=
ery clear, but there is still a little doubt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:black;margin-left:-12.0pt;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-=
serif">In this usage, when we create EPE for a single-hop neighbor, we must=
 create two routes , one for the SRv6 SID NLRI &nbsp;and another for the Li=
nk NLRI.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the previous method, we only need to report a PeerNode li=
nk NLRI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">[KT] Actually, we would still have two NLRIs since the descriptors for Pe=
erAdj SID is different from PeerNode SID as per the BGP-LS EPE draft.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:black;margin-left:-12.0pt;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-=
serif">In this new definition, a PeerSet may carry a large amount of Peer N=
ode SID TLV, and it may cause the message to be too large.<o:p></o:p></span=
></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">[KT] Not really. It is just 16 byte per peer in the PeerSet. Also, when a=
 packet with received with a PeerSet SID in the DA, what we need to do is l=
oad-balance across all Peers in that set.
 So I feel it more closely maps into the forwarding state as well.</span></=
i></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">In th=
is way, the whole numbers NLRI will increase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">[KT] The main idea was to use the Link NLRI to describe the actual link i=
n the link-state topology and not for the Peering session which may be sing=
le hop or multi-hop and may map to multiple
 underlying links/paths.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
"></span></i></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If it=
 is multi-hop neighbors and all have joined to PeerSets, the number of rout=
es added is equivalent to the number of PeerSets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If it=
 is single neighbor and all have joined to PeerSets, the number of added ro=
utes is equivalent to the number of neighbors plus
 the number of PeerSets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">[KT] If you see the NLRIs now more closely resemble the forwarding state =
on the router. So whether we have more NLRIs or less would dependent on how=
 the sets are organized and we should
 consider the normal and not the worst theoretical case.</span></i></b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Do we=
 have to support both options at the same time, or do we only use the one d=
escribed now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">[KT] Not sure I follow what options you are referring to, but we can sure=
ly discuss perhaps in Singapore.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
">Ketan</span></i></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:6.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Haibozuo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micr=
osoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [<a href=3D"mailto:=
ketant@cisco.com">mailto:ketant@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 09, 2019 2:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawe=
i.com">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org">draft-ietf-idr-bg=
pls-srv6-ext@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext=
 <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Hi Haibo,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Thanks for your review and your comments. The draft proposal for ho=
w EPE SIDs are signalled for SRv6 do differ from how they are done for SR/M=
PLS. This change is based on our implementation
 and deployment experience &#8211; there was a potential to simplify the si=
gnalling of EPE SIDs for SRv6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">In a nutshell, the proposal is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">PeerAdj SID is associated with a=
n underlying interface to the connected peer. In almost every sense, it is =
similar to the IGP Adjacency SID. Hence,
 the SRv6 End.X SID TLV is used to advertise it (associated with Link NLRI)=
 similar to how it=1B$B!G=1B(Bs done for PeerAdj SID for SR/MPLS. This part=
 you have no issue/doubt about.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US">For the PeerNode and the PeerSet SIDs, in SR/MPLS cas=
e we created another BGP-LS Link NLRI that is separate from the one created=
 for PeerAdj SID.
 This is because the link descriptors are different. They may be same or ma=
y not be same depending on whether the session is single-hop (i.e. using in=
terface addresses for peering) or multi-hop (e.g. using loopback addresses =
for peering). Note in
</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-=
routing-epe-19#section-4.2">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgpl=
s-segment-routing-epe-19#section-4.2</a> that use of link local/remote IDs =
are MUST for PeerAdj SID but may not
 be available<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> f=
or the PeerNode SID for a multi-hop session.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">This new/additional Link NLRI for the signalling of PeerNode and Pe=
erSet SIDs is avoidable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">With SRv6, we have just a single PeerNode SID which is advertised a=
s a SID associated with the Node. The SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV indicates =
the remote peer information. So it will
 become:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI1 (local node desc &#43; SID1) &nbsp;and with i=
t in BGP-LS Attribute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer1)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI2 (local node desc &#43; SID2) &nbsp;and with i=
t in BGP-LS Attribute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Now, for the PeerSet SID, it is actually the same SID that is assoc=
iated with multiple peers. This can be signalled using the same SRv6 BGP Pe=
er Node SID TLV with the S flag set.
 So for a shared Set SID between two peers, it will become:<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">NLRI : SRv6 SID NLRI3 (local node desc &#43; SID3) and with it in B=
GP-LS Attribute : Peer Node SID TLV (peer 1 &#43; Sflag=3Dset), Peer Node S=
ID TLV (peer 2 &#43; Sflag=3Dset)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">This seems more simpler and intuitive because we describing the SID=
 and not mixing it up with links in a link-state topology representation.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">The other alternative approach was to also advertise the SRv6 BGP P=
eer Node SID TLV along with the Link NLRI advertised for the End.X SID TLV =
corresponding to the PeerAdj SID without
 requiring additional Link NLRIs (with different descriptors) for the PeerN=
ode and PeerSet SIDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">I hope this clarifies and explains the reason for departure from EP=
E signalling done for SR/MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Feedback/suggestions are welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
ainsword.wang@huawei.com">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 August 2019 15:43<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IDR] Questions regarding draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext <o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hi authors,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; I have some questions about this draft, comment with blue words.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">2.&nbsp; BGP-LS Extensions for SRv6<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; SRv6 End.X SID of the link state routing adja=
cency or the BGP EPE<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Peer Adjacency is advertised via a =
new SRv6 End.X SID TLV<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:21.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#00B0F0">//</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#00B0F0">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">No doubt about this<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">&nbsp;=
&nbsp; o&nbsp; The BGP EPE Peer Node and Peer Set SID context is advertised=
 via a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; new SRv6 BGP EPE Peer Node SID TLV<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:21.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#00B0F0">//</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#00B0F0">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">Here use a new TLV to descripe=
 peer node &amp; peer set<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">7.2.&nbsp; SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp; &nbsp;The BGP Peer Node SID and Peer Set SID for SR with MP=
LS dataplane are<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; specified in [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe]=
.&nbsp; The similar<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Peer Node and Peer Set SID functionality can be reali=
zed with SRv6<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; using the END.X SRv6 SID.&nbsp; </span><b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:#00B0F0">The =
SRv6 BGP Peer Node SID TLV is an<o:p></o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;c=
olor:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; optional TLV for use in the BGP-LS Attribute for=
 an SRv6 SID NLRI<o:p></o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;c=
olor:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; corresponding to BGP protocol.</span></b><b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:black">=
 </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimS=
un;color:black">&nbsp;This TLV MUST be included along with<o:p></o:p></span=
></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; SRv6 End.X SID that is associated with the BGP Peer N=
ode or Peer Set<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; functionality.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:21.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#00B0F0">//</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#00B0F0">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">Here said the peer node sid fo=
llowed by the SRv6 SID NLRI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">6.&nbsp; SRv6 SID NLRI<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"> &nbsp;&nbsp;A new &quot;Link-State NLRI Type&quot; is defined for=
 SRv6 SID information as<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; following:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Link-State NLRI Type: SRv6 SID NLRI (value TB=
D see IANA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Considerations Section 8.1).<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0=
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;=
-&#43;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Protocol-ID&nbsp; |<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;=
-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#=
43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;=
<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Identifier&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(64 bits)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-=
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r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local Node Descriptors (variable)&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 //<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;=
-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#=
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<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SRv6 SID Descriptors (variable)&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; //<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;=
-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#43;-&#=
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<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 11: SRv=
6 SID NLRI Format<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; //</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#00B0F0">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">Here defined the SRv6 SID NLRI=
. If we use this NLRI, when we have more than one peer node,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; W=
e may construct routes with:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute1: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc &#43; SID1) &#43; Peer Node SID (pee=
r1) &#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute2: SRv6 SID NLRI2 (Local Node Desc &#43; SID2) &#43; Peer Node SID (pee=
r2) &#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; W=
hy do we have to change to this?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">What are the benefits of this =
change?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; F=
or draft draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-segment-routing-epe, the route will be<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute1: Link NLRI1(Local Node Desc &#43; peer1) &#43; Peer Node SID (peer1) =
&#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute2: Link NLRI2(Local Node Desc &#43; peer2) &#43; Peer Node SID (peer2) =
&#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; Also in this format, when a peer join a peer set, how to create =
the route? Perhaps</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">=1B$B!'=1B(B=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mic=
rosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute1: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc &#43; SID1) &#43; Peer Node SID (pee=
r1) &#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute2: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc &#43; SID2) &#43; Peer Node SID (S-f=
lag) &#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; W=
hat</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">=1B$B!G=1B(B</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">s
 the relationship about the two routes ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; I=
f there exist a route3:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute3: SRv6 SID NLRI1 (Local Node Desc &#43; SID3) &#43; Peer Node SID (S-f=
lag) &#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; N=
ow the Peer node route1 belongs to route2</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=
=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#00B0F0">=1B$B!G=1B(B</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">s
 Peer Set or route3</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">=1B$B!G=1B(=
B</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Mi=
crosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">s Peer Set?<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; B=
ut it</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">=1B$B!G=1B(B</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">s
 clear for old mpls epe draft:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute1: Link NLRI1(Local Node Desc &#43; peer1) &#43; Peer Node SID (peer1) =
&#43; Peer Set Sid(set1)&#43;other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0">&nbsp;&nbsp; R=
oute2: Link NLRI2(Local Node Desc &#43; peer2) &#43; Peer Node SID (peer2) =
&#43; Peer Set Sid(set1)&#43; other Attr Tlv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00B0F0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Best Regards<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Haibo<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
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Hello chairs, WG,

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I may have taken my eye off the IDR list for a while, but it seems to me =
that my draft is languishing.

=20

Did the WG last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or discard?

=20

Thanks,

Adrian

=20

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>=20
Sent: 09 August 2019 16:15
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' <ketant@cisco.com>; =
'John Scudder' <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Adrian and WG:=20

=20

<WG chair hat on>=20

Ketan and his co-authors have been carefully working RFC7752bis=20

prior to adopting in the WG.  However, given the comments to the list =
=E2=80=93=20

I would like to make sure the WG is not rushed to address all known=20

Issues in RFC752.=20

=20

We can usually send through registry drafts quickly.=20

=20

The WG can progress both drafts in parallel.=20

<Chair hat off>=20

=20

<wg member hat on> =20

I suggest we put both drafts as one of our=20

Key milestones for IDR.=20

<wg member hat off>=20

=20

Cheers, Sue=20

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=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'John Scudder'
Cc: idr@ietf.org <mailto:idr@ietf.org> ; 'Hares Susan'
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Hi Ketan,

=20

Yes.

=20

We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752bis will take a while to progress =
through the working group (I might be wrong) while we could advance =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry pretty fast.

=20

If I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into 7752bis and be =
done.

=20

If I=E2=80=99m right:

*        My draft runs to completion

*        7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the RFC that my draft will =
become, and the IANA section has to be updated to reflect what the =
registry will say at that time.

=20

Best,

Adrian

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com =
<mailto:ketant@cisco.com> >=20
Sent: 08 August 2019 11:47
To: John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> >; Adrian Farrel =
<adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> >
Cc: idr@ietf.org <mailto:idr@ietf.org> ; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com =
<mailto:shares@ndzh.com> >
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

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Hi All,

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I obviously support this =E2=80=9Ceasing of process overhead=E2=80=9D =
for BGP-LS code point allocations. Apologies for not responding earlier.

=20

Adrian, can you please also let know if the same text needs to be also =
updated in draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis which is also up for WG adoption =
and would result in obsoleting RFC7752?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org> > On =
Behalf Of John Scudder
Sent: 06 August 2019 02:57
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> >
Cc: idr@ietf.org <mailto:idr@ietf.org> ; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com =
<mailto:shares@ndzh.com> >
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

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Well obviously I (with my =E2=80=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber =
mask and fright wig) kind of want them but I was holding off on saying =
so because that's kind of obvious. =20

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To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 benefit why I think this is worthwhile =
vs. early allocation:

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- It reflects the author=E2=80=99s original intent, for whatever =
that=E2=80=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s current intent is more =
important.)

- It provides the minimum of red tape, less even than early allocation.

- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension between red =
tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in favor of =
permissiveness is OK.

- Let=E2=80=99s not forget there=E2=80=99s still at least two humans in =
the loop (the Designated Expert and IANA).

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That said, if the WG can=E2=80=99t generate enough enthusiasm to say =
=E2=80=9Cyes please=E2=80=9D then I won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also =
won=E2=80=99t (with =E2=80=9CWG co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and =
cravat on) feel as sympathetic next time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s =
too hard to get a code point.

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=E2=80=94John

=20

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk =
<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> > wrote:

=20

Hi WG,

=20

I just want to rattle the bars of the cage a bit, here.

=20

John (reliably) informs me that he had a number of conversations about =
the BGP-LS registries and their allocation policies: people (it seems) =
wanted more-relaxed rules.

=20

It is possible that the advocates are the authors of the set of drafts =
that have just been pushed forward for =E2=80=9Cearly =
allocation=E2=80=9D and so no one cares any more.

=20

Or it is possible that everyone is too busy.

=20

Or, perhaps, no one wants these changes.

=20

Thanks,

Adrian

=20

From: Idr < <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org> idr-bounces@ietf.org> On =
Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 27 July 2019 01:37
To:  <mailto:idr@ietf.org> idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.

=20

Let the discussion begin and in midst of your comments please remember =
to include "support" or "no support".

=20

=20

Adrian enjoy the discussion.

=20

Cheerily  Sue

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hello chairs, =
WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I may have =
taken my eye off the IDR list for a while, but it seems to me that my =
draft is languishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Did the WG =
last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or =
discard?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Susan Hares =
&lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 09 August 2019 =
16:15<br><b>To:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' =
&lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;; 'John Scudder' =
&lt;jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Adrian and WG: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;WG =
chair hat on&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan and his co-authors have been =
carefully working RFC7752bis <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>prior to =
adopting in the WG. &nbsp;However, given the comments to the list =
=E2=80=93 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I would like to make sure the WG is not rushed =
to address all known <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Issues in RFC752. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We can =
usually send through registry drafts quickly. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The WG can =
progress both drafts in parallel. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;Chair =
hat off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;wg =
member hat on&gt; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I suggest we put both drafts as one =
of our <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Key milestones for IDR. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;wg =
member hat off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Idr [<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Farrel<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, =
2019 7:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'John =
Scudder'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; =
'Hares Susan'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Ketan,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752bis will take a while =
to progress through the working group (I might be wrong) while we could =
advance draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry pretty fast.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If =
I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into 7752bis and be =
done.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If I=E2=80=99m right:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]>My draft runs to =
completion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]>7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the =
RFC that my draft will become, and the IANA section has to be updated to =
reflect what the registry will say at that time.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Adrian<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Ketan Talaulikar =
(ketant) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 August 2019 11:47<br><b>To:</b> John Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">jgs=3D40juniper.net@dm=
arc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>I obviously support this =E2=80=9Ceasing of process =
overhead=E2=80=9D for BGP-LS code point allocations. Apologies for not =
responding earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Adrian, can you please also let know if the same text needs =
to be also updated in draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis which is also up for =
WG adoption and would result in obsoleting =
RFC7752?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Idr &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>John Scudder<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 August 2019 =
02:57<br><b>To:</b> Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Well obviously I (with my =
=E2=80=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber mask and fright wig) kind =
of want them but I was holding off on saying so because that's kind of =
obvious.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 =
benefit why I think this is worthwhile vs. early =
allocation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- It reflects the author=E2=80=99s =
original intent, for whatever that=E2=80=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s =
current intent is more important.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- It provides the minimum of red =
tape, less even than early =
allocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension =
between red tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in =
favor of permissiveness is OK.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- Let=E2=80=99s not forget =
there=E2=80=99s still at least two humans in the loop (the Designated =
Expert and IANA).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>That said, if the WG can=E2=80=99t =
generate enough enthusiasm to say =E2=80=9Cyes please=E2=80=9D then I =
won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also won=E2=80=99t (with =E2=80=9CWG =
co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and cravat on) feel as sympathetic =
next time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s too hard to get a code =
point.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>=E2=80=94John<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian =
Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Hi =
WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>I just want to rattle the bars of =
the cage a bit, here.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>John (reliably) informs me that he =
had a number of conversations about the BGP-LS registries and their =
allocation policies: people (it seems) wanted more-relaxed =
rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>It is possible that the advocates =
are the authors of the set of drafts that have just been pushed forward =
for =E2=80=9Cearly allocation=E2=80=9D and so no one cares any =
more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Or it is possible that everyone is =
too busy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Or, perhaps, no one wants these =
changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US>Idr &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>idr-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>27 =
July 2019 01:37<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>idr@ietf.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt</span><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>This begins a 2 week WG adoption =
call for =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Let the discussion begin and in =
midst of your comments please remember to include &quot;support&quot; or =
&quot;no support&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Adrian enjoy the =
discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Cheerily&nbsp; =
Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
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Adrian:=20

=20

This one dropped through an open gap in the IDR calls.   I got a medium =
amount of response for adoption.   I will start a call indicating the =
chairs intend to adopt later this evening.   Please plan to attend IDR =
for first session.=20

=20

Thanks!=20

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 6:17 PM
To: 'Susan Hares'; 'John Scudder'
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Hello chairs, WG,

=20

I may have taken my eye off the IDR list for a while, but it seems to me =
that my draft is languishing.

=20

Did the WG last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or discard?

=20

Thanks,

Adrian

=20

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>=20
Sent: 09 August 2019 16:15
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' <ketant@cisco.com>; =
'John Scudder' <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Adrian and WG:=20

=20

<WG chair hat on>=20

Ketan and his co-authors have been carefully working RFC7752bis=20

prior to adopting in the WG.  However, given the comments to the list =
=E2=80=93=20

I would like to make sure the WG is not rushed to address all known=20

Issues in RFC752.=20

=20

We can usually send through registry drafts quickly.=20

=20

The WG can progress both drafts in parallel.=20

<Chair hat off>=20

=20

<wg member hat on> =20

I suggest we put both drafts as one of our=20

Key milestones for IDR.=20

<wg member hat off>=20

=20

Cheers, Sue=20

=20

=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'John Scudder'
Cc: idr@ietf.org; 'Hares Susan'
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Hi Ketan,

=20

Yes.

=20

We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752bis will take a while to progress =
through the working group (I might be wrong) while we could advance =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry pretty fast.

=20

If I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into 7752bis and be =
done.

=20

If I=E2=80=99m right:

=C2=B7        My draft runs to completion

=C2=B7        7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the RFC that my draft =
will become, and the IANA section has to be updated to reflect what the =
registry will say at that time.

=20

Best,

Adrian

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>=20
Sent: 08 August 2019 11:47
To: John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Adrian Farrel =
<adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Hi All,

=20

I obviously support this =E2=80=9Ceasing of process overhead=E2=80=9D =
for BGP-LS code point allocations. Apologies for not responding earlier.

=20

Adrian, can you please also let know if the same text needs to be also =
updated in draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis which is also up for WG adoption =
and would result in obsoleting RFC7752?

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of John Scudder
Sent: 06 August 2019 02:57
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

Well obviously I (with my =E2=80=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber =
mask and fright wig) kind of want them but I was holding off on saying =
so because that's kind of obvious. =20

=20

To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 benefit why I think this is worthwhile =
vs. early allocation:

=20

- It reflects the author=E2=80=99s original intent, for whatever =
that=E2=80=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s current intent is more =
important.)

- It provides the minimum of red tape, less even than early allocation.

- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension between red =
tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in favor of =
permissiveness is OK.

- Let=E2=80=99s not forget there=E2=80=99s still at least two humans in =
the loop (the Designated Expert and IANA).

=20

That said, if the WG can=E2=80=99t generate enough enthusiasm to say =
=E2=80=9Cyes please=E2=80=9D then I won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also =
won=E2=80=99t (with =E2=80=9CWG co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and =
cravat on) feel as sympathetic next time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s =
too hard to get a code point.

=20

=E2=80=94John

=20

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

=20

Hi WG,

=20

I just want to rattle the bars of the cage a bit, here.

=20

John (reliably) informs me that he had a number of conversations about =
the BGP-LS registries and their allocation policies: people (it seems) =
wanted more-relaxed rules.

=20

It is possible that the advocates are the authors of the set of drafts =
that have just been pushed forward for =E2=80=9Cearly =
allocation=E2=80=9D and so no one cares any more.

=20

Or it is possible that everyone is too busy.

=20

Or, perhaps, no one wants these changes.

=20

Thanks,

Adrian

=20

From: Idr < <mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org> idr-bounces@ietf.org> On =
Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 27 July 2019 01:37
To:  <mailto:idr@ietf.org> idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

=20

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.

=20

Let the discussion begin and in midst of your comments please remember =
to include "support" or "no support".

=20

=20

Adrian enjoy the discussion.

=20

Cheerily  Sue

=20

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Adrian: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>This one dropped through =
an open gap in the IDR calls.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I got a medium amount of =
response for adoption.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I will start a call indicating the =
chairs intend to adopt later this evening.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please plan to =
attend IDR for first session. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks! =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
November 1, 2019 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Susan Hares'; 'John =
Scudder'<br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] WG =
adoption of =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hello chairs, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>I may have taken my eye off the IDR =
list for a while, but it seems to me that my draft is =
languishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Did the WG last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or =
discard?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Susan Hares =
&lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 09 August 2019 =
16:15<br><b>To:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' =
&lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;; 'John Scudder' =
&lt;jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Adrian and WG: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;WG chair hat on&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ketan and his co-authors have been carefully =
working RFC7752bis <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>prior to adopting in the WG. &nbsp;However, =
given the comments to the list =E2=80=93 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I would like to make =
sure the WG is not rushed to address all known <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Issues in RFC752. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We can usually send =
through registry drafts quickly. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The WG can progress both =
drafts in parallel. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;Chair hat off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;wg member hat on&gt; =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I suggest we put both drafts as one of our =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Key milestones for IDR. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;wg member hat =
off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Farrel<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, =
2019 7:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'John =
Scudder'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; =
'Hares Susan'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hi Ketan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752bis will take a while to =
progress through the working group (I might be wrong) while we could =
advance draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry pretty =
fast.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>If I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into =
7752bis and be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>If I=E2=80=99m right:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>=C2=B7</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>My draft runs to completion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>=C2=B7</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the RFC that my draft =
will become, and the IANA section has to be updated to reflect what the =
registry will say at that time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 August 2019 11:47<br><b>To:</b> John Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">jgs=3D40juniper.net@dm=
arc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> RE: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>I obviously support this =
=E2=80=9Ceasing of process overhead=E2=80=9D for BGP-LS code point =
allocations. Apologies for not responding =
earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Adrian, can you please also let know if the same text needs =
to be also updated in draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis which is also up for =
WG adoption and would result in obsoleting =
RFC7752?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Ketan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Idr &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>John Scudder<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 August 2019 =
02:57<br><b>To:</b> Adrian Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Well obviously I (with my =
=E2=80=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber mask and fright wig) kind =
of want them but I was holding off on saying so because that's kind of =
obvious.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 =
benefit why I think this is worthwhile vs. early =
allocation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- It reflects the author=E2=80=99s =
original intent, for whatever that=E2=80=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s =
current intent is more important.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- It provides the minimum of red =
tape, less even than early =
allocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension =
between red tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in =
favor of permissiveness is OK.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>- Let=E2=80=99s not forget =
there=E2=80=99s still at least two humans in the loop (the Designated =
Expert and IANA).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>That said, if the WG can=E2=80=99t =
generate enough enthusiasm to say =E2=80=9Cyes please=E2=80=9D then I =
won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also won=E2=80=99t (with =E2=80=9CWG =
co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and cravat on) feel as sympathetic =
next time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s too hard to get a code =
point.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>=E2=80=94John<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian =
Farrel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Hi =
WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>I just want to rattle the bars of =
the cage a bit, here.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>John (reliably) informs me that he =
had a number of conversations about the BGP-LS registries and their =
allocation policies: people (it seems) wanted more-relaxed =
rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>It is possible that the advocates =
are the authors of the set of drafts that have just been pushed forward =
for =E2=80=9Cearly allocation=E2=80=9D and so no one cares any =
more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Or it is possible that everyone is =
too busy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-IN>Or, perhaps, no one wants these =
changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Idr &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>idr-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>27 =
July 2019 01:37<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>idr@ietf.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Not sure if I reacted back then, I support the adoption.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 23:17, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hello chairs, WG,
> =20
> I may have taken my eye off the IDR list for a while, but it seems to me t=
hat my draft is languishing.
> =20
> Did the WG last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or discard?
> =20
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> =20
> From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>=20
> Sent: 09 August 2019 16:15
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)' <ketant@cisco.com>; '=
John Scudder' <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt=

> =20
> Adrian and WG:
> =20
> <WG chair hat on>
> Ketan and his co-authors have been carefully working RFC7752bis
> prior to adopting in the WG.  However, given the comments to the list =E2=80=
=93
> I would like to make sure the WG is not rushed to address all known
> Issues in RFC752.
> =20
> We can usually send through registry drafts quickly.
> =20
> The WG can progress both drafts in parallel.
> <Chair hat off>
> =20
> <wg member hat on> =20
> I suggest we put both drafts as one of our
> Key milestones for IDR.
> <wg member hat off>
> =20
> Cheers, Sue
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)'; 'John Scudder'
> Cc: idr@ietf.org; 'Hares Susan'
> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt=

> =20
> Hi Ketan,
> =20
> Yes.
> =20
> We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752bis will take a while to progress through t=
he working group (I might be wrong) while we could advance draft-farrel-idr-=
bgp-ls-registry pretty fast.
> =20
> If I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into 7752bis and be do=
ne.
> =20
> If I=E2=80=99m right:
> =C2=B7        My draft runs to completion
> =C2=B7        7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the RFC that my draft wil=
l become, and the IANA section has to be updated to reflect what the registr=
y will say at that time.
> =20
> Best,
> Adrian
> =20
> From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>=20
> Sent: 08 August 2019 11:47
> To: John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Adrian Farrel <adri=
an@olddog.co.uk>
> Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com>
> Subject: RE: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt=

> =20
> Hi All,
> =20
> I obviously support this =E2=80=9Ceasing of process overhead=E2=80=9D for B=
GP-LS code point allocations. Apologies for not responding earlier.
> =20
> Adrian, can you please also let know if the same text needs to be also upd=
ated in draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis which is also up for WG adoption and wou=
ld result in obsoleting RFC7752?
> =20
> Thanks,
> Ketan
> =20
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of John Scudder
> Sent: 06 August 2019 02:57
> To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com>
> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt=

> =20
> Well obviously I (with my =E2=80=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber ma=
sk and fright wig) kind of want them but I was holding off on saying so beca=
use that's kind of obvious.=20
> =20
> To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 benefit why I think this is worthwhile vs=
. early allocation:
> =20
> - It reflects the author=E2=80=99s original intent, for whatever that=E2=80=
=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s current intent is more important.)
> - It provides the minimum of red tape, less even than early allocation.
> - Because the number space is large, resolving the tension between red tap=
e and the risk of something silly being allocated in favor of permissiveness=
 is OK.
> - Let=E2=80=99s not forget there=E2=80=99s still at least two humans in th=
e loop (the Designated Expert and IANA).
> =20
> That said, if the WG can=E2=80=99t generate enough enthusiasm to say =E2=80=
=9Cyes please=E2=80=9D then I won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also won=E2=80=99=
t (with =E2=80=9CWG co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and cravat on) feel a=
s sympathetic next time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s too hard to get a code=
 point.
> =20
> =E2=80=94John
> =20
>=20
> On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> =20
> Hi WG,
> =20
> I just want to rattle the bars of the cage a bit, here.
> =20
> John (reliably) informs me that he had a number of conversations about the=
 BGP-LS registries and their allocation policies: people (it seems) wanted m=
ore-relaxed rules.
> =20
> It is possible that the advocates are the authors of the set of drafts tha=
t have just been pushed forward for =E2=80=9Cearly allocation=E2=80=9D and s=
o no one cares any more.
> =20
> Or it is possible that everyone is too busy.
> =20
> Or, perhaps, no one wants these changes.
> =20
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> =20
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
> Sent: 27 July 2019 01:37
> To: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt
> =20
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry=
-02.txt.
> =20
> Let the discussion begin and in midst of your comments please remember to i=
nclude "support" or "no support".
> =20
> =20
> Adrian enjoy the discussion.
> =20
> Cheerily  Sue
> =20
> =20
> =20
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 but it seems to me that my draft is languishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S">Did the WG last call complete? Did we decide to adopt or discard?<o:p></o=
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</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt; <br><b>=
Sent:</b> 09 August 2019 16:15<br><b>To:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ketan Tal=
aulikar (ketant)' &lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;; 'John Scudder' &lt;jgs=3D40junip=
er.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [=
Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Adrian and WG: <o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1=
F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;WG chair hat on&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ketan and hi=
s co-authors have been carefully working RFC7752bis <o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">prior to a=
dopting in the WG. &nbsp;However, given the comments to the list =E2=80=93 <=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">I would like to make sure the WG is not rushed to address all k=
nown <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:#1F497D">Issues in RFC752. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">We ca=
n usually send through registry drafts quickly. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">The WG can progress both drafts in parallel. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;Chair ha=
t off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;wg member hat on&gt; &nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"col=
or:#1F497D">I suggest we put both drafts as one of our <o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Key mil=
estones for IDR. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;wg member hat off&gt; <o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
color:#1F497D">Cheers, Sue <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sa=
ns-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Idr [<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@=
ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Farrel=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ketan Talau=
likar (ketant)'; 'John Scudder'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org=
">idr@ietf.org</a>; 'Hares Susan'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG adoption o=
f draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We=E2=80=99re assuming that 7752=
bis will take a while to progress through the working group (I might be wron=
g) while we could advance draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry pretty fast.<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>If I=E2=80=99m wrong we should simply roll my draft into 7752bis and be don=
e.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">If I=E2=80=99m right:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !sup=
portLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=C2=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[e=
ndif]-->My draft runs to completion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[i=
f !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span=
 style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=C2=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New R=
oman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span>=
<!--[endif]-->7752bis needs to obsolete 7752 and the RFC that my draft will b=
ecome, and the IANA section has to be updated to reflect what the registry w=
ill say at that time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Adrian=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant=
@cisco.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 08 August 2019 11:47<br><b>To:</b> John S=
cudder &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">jgs=3D40jun=
iper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@=
olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:id=
r@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.=
com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] WG adoption of dra=
ft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-IN">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=
I obviously support this =E2=80=9Ceasing of process overhead=E2=80=9D for BG=
P-LS code point allocations. Apologies for not responding earlier.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Adrian, can you please a=
lso let know if the same text needs to be also updated in draft-ketant-idr-r=
fc7752bis which is also up for WG adoption and would result in obsoleting RFC=
7752?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Thanks,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Ketan<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.=
org">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Scudder<br><b>Sen=
t:</b> 06 August 2019 02:57<br><b>To:</b> Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"=
mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>; Hares Susan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sha=
res@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG adopti=
on of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Well obviously I (with my =E2=80=
=9Cworking group member=E2=80=9D rubber mask and fright wig) kind of want th=
em but I was holding off on saying so because that's kind of obvious.&nbsp; <=
o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
>To reiterate for others=E2=80=99 benefit why I think this is worthwhile vs.=
 early allocation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">- It reflects the author=E2=80=99s original intent=
, for whatever that=E2=80=99s worth. (The WG=E2=80=99s current intent is mor=
e important.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-IN">- It provides the minimum of red tape, less even than early al=
location.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-IN">- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension between r=
ed tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in favor of permissi=
veness is OK.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-IN">- Let=E2=80=99s not forget there=E2=80=99s still at least two h=
umans in the loop (the Designated Expert and IANA).<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">That said, if the=
 WG can=E2=80=99t generate enough enthusiasm to say =E2=80=9Cyes please=E2=80=
=9D then I won=E2=80=99t cry, although I also won=E2=80=99t (with =E2=80=9CW=
G co-chair=E2=80=9D spangled epaulets and cravat on) feel as sympathetic nex=
t time someone tells me it=E2=80=99s too hard to get a code point.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=E2=
=80=94John<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-=
bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN">On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Hi WG,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-I=
N">I just want to rattle the bars of the cage a bit, here.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">John (reli=
ably) informs me that he had a number of conversations about the BGP-LS regi=
stries and their allocation policies: people (it seems) wanted more-relaxed r=
ules.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-IN">It is possible that the advocates are the authors of the set of=
 drafts that have just been pushed forward for =E2=80=9Cearly allocation=E2=80=
=9D and so no one cares any more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Or it is possible that everyone is t=
oo busy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-IN">Or, perhaps, no one wants these changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Thanks,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Adrian=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top=
:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">Idr &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:#954F72">idr-bounce=
s@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=
<b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Susan H=
ares<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>27 Ju=
ly 2019 01:37<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</spa=
n><a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:#954F72">idr@ietf.org=
</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</=
span>[Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-IN"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">This begins a 2 week WG adoption c=
all for draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN=
">Let the discussion begin and in midst of your comments please remember to i=
nclude "support" or "no support".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-IN">Adrian enjoy the discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Cheerily&nbsp=
; Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div></div><div id=3D"composer_signature"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757">Sent via the=
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N-IN"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
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Hi Sue,

Support as co-author.
Hopefully 2 implementations that suddenly disappeared, will eventually show u=
p.
=46rom the process prospective however - we have got 2 interoperating  imple=
mentations and can proceed regardless of the above.=20

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 14:26, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> This begins a 2 week WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-09.t=
xt.
> =20
> The first thing the authors need to do during the WG LC is to indicate whe=
ther the protocol implementation report  on this draft is accurate on the ID=
R Wiki:
> =20
>  https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution%20imp=
lementations
> =20
> The IDR WG needs to know whether the 4 implementations indicated (2 cisco a=
nd 2 Huawei) have interoperated using this TLV code point.   The current web=
 page leaves some doubt.
> =20
> Cheerily, Susan Hares
> =20
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        Title           : BGP BFD Strict-Mode
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Ketan:

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Thank you for updating the report card.   2 implementation are enough to =
go to the IESG.  If the other ones come back, we can add them later.

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 9:39 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'idr wg'
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(10/30 to 11/13/2019)

=20

Hi Sue,

=20

I see that there are only 2 Cisco implementations on the report now and =
I can confirm that they have interoperated. I am not sure about other =
implementations and I am not aware of their interoperability aspects.

=20

Thanks,

Ketan

=20

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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=20

This begins a 2 week WG last call for =
draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-09.txt.=20

=20

The first thing the authors need to do during the WG LC is to indicate =
whether the protocol implementation report  on this draft is accurate on =
the IDR Wiki:

=20

 =
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution%20imp=
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The IDR WG needs to know whether the 4 implementations indicated (2 =
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IESG. =C2=A0If the other ones come back, we can add them =
later.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Saturday, November 2, 2019 9:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; 'idr =
wg'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] WG LC on =
draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-09.txt (10/30 to =
11/13/2019)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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lang=3DEN-IN>Hi Sue,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-IN>I see that there are only 2 Cisco implementations on the =
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about other implementations and I am not aware of their interoperability =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Idr =
&lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 October 2019 18:56<br><b>To:</b> 'idr wg' =
&lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC on =
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Wiki:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Name:		draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry
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Title:		Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol =
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Document date:	2019-11-03
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Abstract:
   RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS).  IANA
   created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border
   Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a
   number of sub-registries.  The allocation policy applied by IANA for
   those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126.

   This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for
   all of the registries to "Expert Review" and by updating the guidance
   to the Designated Experts.

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This is a second WG adoption call.=20

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Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the=20

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John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for=20

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Susan Hares wrote on 03/11/2019 14:21:
> John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for
> BGP-LS quicker response to code requests.  We encourage the WG to
> read and strongly consider this draft.

can't see any obvious problem with the draft - i.e. no objection.

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Support the adoption of this draft.

Thanks,
Ketan
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ond call [11/3 to 11/17]


Greetings IDR:



The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

was inconclusive.  We had clear support, but just not enough response.

This is a second WG adoption call.



This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752

"Border Gateway Protocol =96 Link   State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"

from Designated Expert to  Expert Review.



These are both technical reviews prior to assignments of

code point or code points in the registry.

The only difference is instructions for the review.



Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the

BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.



John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for

BGP-LS quicker response to code requests.  We encourage the WG to

read and strongly consider this draft.



Cheerily, Sue









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From: Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:10:41 +0530
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Thank you Ketan for making the changes. The 02 diff looks fine to me.

Thanks,
Nandan

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:52 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> An updated version has been posted to address your comments as discussed
> below.
>
>
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis-02
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 09 October 2019 21:21
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Prakash
> Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> How about adding the following text in Sec 4.2.2?
>
>
>
> The TLVs/sub-TLVs corresponding to the interface addresses and/or the
> local/remote identfiers may not always be signaled in the IGPs unless their
> advertisement is enabled specifically. In such cases, a BGP-LS Producer may
> not be able to generate valid Link NLRIs for such link advertisements from
> the IGPs.
>
> Sounds good!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 16 September 2019 10:11
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; Prakash
> Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>     Thank you for your patience. I thought I had replied to this, but
> somehow hadn't.
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:31 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nandan,
>
> You are correct that an ISIS implementation (in non-TE/SR) environment
> will not advertise the necessary link descriptors without which it will not
> be possible to describe links completely. It is not just about empty link
> descriptors, but when there are parallel links, they will end up
> overwriting each other's attributes in BGP-LS as those NLRIs would get
> mixed up. IMHO it does not serve much purpose advertising such links via
> BGP-LS.
>
> What text would you suggest we add in the BGP-LS specification for this?
>
> Something along the lines that a BGP-LS producer may not be able to
> generate valid link NLRIs in the absence of the required sub-TLVs in the
> IGP. I'm mostly thinking from the point of view of guiding operators that
> the IGP needs to be configured appropriately.
>
> I'm not fully in agreement about leaving out such links. In the case
> there's only one p2p link between devices we'll simply be losing
> information in BGP-LS, since it's possible to identify such a link
> uniquely. (Though it's an academic discussion since most deployments are
> likely to use bgp-ls for TE)
>
> In anycase, I don't feel too strong about adding new text in case you feel
> it's obvious from the rest of the text.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> Sent: 20 August 2019 21:48
> To: draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
> Cc: Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>; Ketan Talaulikar
> (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> Subject: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm wondering whether some text needs to be added to
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01#section-4.2.2
> for the case where neither the ipv4/6 address sub tlvs nor link/remote
> identifiers are present in the IGP's LSP/LSA.
> For IS-IS specifically, it seems to me that an IS-IS implementation (in a
> non-TE) scenario is free to leave out the ipv4/6 interface/neighbor address
> sub-tlvs based on https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.2, and
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.3. The link/remote link
> identifiers also appear optional.
>
> In such a case, the link descriptor in the link nlri will be empty which
> is problematic in the case where there are multiple links between 2 nodes
> as there's no way to distinguish between the different links.
>
> Thanks,
> Nandan
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you Ketan for making the changes. The 02 diff l=
ooks fine to me.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Nandan<br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:52 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5537249677392074288WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>An updated version has been posted to address =
your comments as discussed below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-5537249677392074288MsoPlainText"><a href=3D"https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis-02" target=3D"_blank">https://t=
ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis-02</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 October 2019 21:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:idr=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</=
a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ket=
ant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How about adding the following text in Sec 4.2.2?<u>=
</u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The TLVs/sub-TLVs corresponding to the interface add=
resses and/or the local/remote identfiers may not always be signaled in the=
 IGPs unless their advertisement is enabled specifically.
 In such cases, a BGP-LS Producer may not be able to generate valid Link NL=
RIs for such link advertisements from the IGPs.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sounds good! <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 September 2019 10:11<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">
idr@ietf.org</a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@aris=
ta.com" target=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you for your patience. I thought=
 I had replied to this, but somehow hadn&#39;t.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:31 PM Ketan Talaulikar (k=
etant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cis=
co.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium =
medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-c=
olor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Nandan,<br>
<br>
You are correct that an ISIS implementation (in non-TE/SR) environment will=
 not advertise the necessary link descriptors without which it will not be =
possible to describe links completely. It is not just about empty link desc=
riptors, but when there are parallel
 links, they will end up overwriting each other&#39;s attributes in BGP-LS =
as those NLRIs would get mixed up. IMHO it does not serve much purpose adve=
rtising such links via BGP-LS.<br>
<br>
What text would you suggest we add in the BGP-LS specification for this?<u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Something along the lines that a BGP-LS producer may=
 not be able to generate valid link NLRIs in the absence of the required su=
b-TLVs in the IGP. I&#39;m mostly thinking from the point
 of view of guiding operators that the IGP needs to be configured appropria=
tely.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#39;m not fully in agreement about leaving out suc=
h links. In the case there&#39;s only one p2p link between devices we&#39;l=
l simply be losing information in BGP-LS, since it&#39;s possible
 to identify such a link uniquely. (Though it&#39;s an academic discussion =
since most deployments are likely to use bgp-ls for TE)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In anycase, I don&#39;t feel too strong about adding=
 new text in case you feel it&#39;s obvious from the rest of the text.<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium =
medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-c=
olor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Thanks,<br>
Ketan<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank=
">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
Sent: 20 August 2019 21:48<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=
=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
Subject: Possibility of empty Link Descriptors in BGP-LS?<br>
<br>
Hi folks,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m wondering whether some text needs to be added to<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ketant-idr-rfc7752bis-01#secti=
on-4.2.2" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ketant-idr-rf=
c7752bis-01#section-4.2.2</a><br>
for the case where neither the ipv4/6 address sub tlvs nor link/remote iden=
tifiers are present in the IGP&#39;s LSP/LSA.<br>
For IS-IS specifically, it seems to me that an IS-IS implementation (in a n=
on-TE) scenario is free to leave out the ipv4/6 interface/neighbor address =
sub-tlvs based on
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.2" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.2</a>, and
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.3" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5305#section-3.3</a>. The link/remote lin=
k identifiers also appear optional.<br>
<br>
In such a case, the link descriptor in the link nlri will be empty which is=
 problematic in the case where there are multiple links between 2 nodes as =
there&#39;s no way to distinguish between the different links.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Nandan<u></u><u></u></p>
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Greetings IDR: 

 

The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt  was
inconclusive.  

We had clear support, but just not enough response. 

This lack of response was probably due to my errors in posting the 

name of the draft (pardon my error Adrian) [Blush..] 

 

To make this easier, the current draft is: 

 

draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03/ 

which you can get at; 

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

 

This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752 

"Border Gateway Protocol - Link   State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"

from Designated Expert to  Expert Review.  

 

These are both technical reviews prior to assignments of 

code point or code points in the registry.  

The only difference is instructions for the review. 

 

Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the 

BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.  

 

John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for 

BGP-LS quicker response to code requests.  We encourage the WG to 

read and strongly consider this draft. 

 

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Roman","serif";color:black'>&quot;Border Gateway Protocol &#8211; Link =
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Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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changes for the <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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        Title           : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for IPv6
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> draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03/ 

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Dissemination of L2VPN Flow Specification Rules
        Authors         : Weiguo Hao
                          Donald E. Eastlake
                          James Uttaro
                          Stephane Litkowski
                          Shunwan Zhuang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-12.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2019-11-03

Abstract:
   This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Flow-spec
   extension to disseminate Layer 2 Virtual Private Network (L2VPN)
   Ethernet traffic filtering rules.  AFI=25 SAFI=134 is used for this
   purpose.  New component types and an extended community also are
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Support the adoption.

Best regards,
Jie

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 3:08 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG Adoption call (2nd post) - draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-regist=
ry-03.txt [11/3 to 11/17/2019]

Greetings IDR:

The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt  was inconc=
lusive.
We had clear support, but just not enough response.
This lack of response was probably due to my errors in posting the
name of the draft (pardon my error Adrian) [Blush..]

To make this easier, the current draft is:

draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03/
which you can get at;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752
"Border Gateway Protocol - Link   State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"
from Designated Expert to  Expert Review.

These are both technical reviews prior to assignments of
code point or code points in the registry.
The only difference is instructions for the review.

Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the
BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.

John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for
BGP-LS quicker response to code requests.  We encourage the WG to
read and strongly consider this draft.

Cheers, Sue

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2019 3:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG Adoption call (2nd post) - draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">The adoption call for=
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sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">We had clear support,=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">This lack of response=
 was probably due to my errors in posting the
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">name of the draft (pa=
rdon my error Adrian) [Blush..]
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">To make this easier, =
the current draft is:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">draft-farrel-idr-bgp-=
ls-registry-03/
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">which you can get at;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/">https://datatracker.ietf.or=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">This draft proposes t=
o refine the instructions for RFC7752
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">&quot;Border Gateway =
Protocol &#8211; Link &nbsp;&nbsp;State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry&quot;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">from Designated Exper=
t to&nbsp; Expert Review.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">These are both techni=
cal reviews prior to assignments of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">code point or code po=
ints in the registry. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">The only difference i=
s instructions for the review.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Please read this draf=
t and consider if the changes for the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">BGP-LS review will sp=
eed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">John and I anticipate=
 that expert reviews will allow code request for
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">BGP-LS quicker respon=
se to code requests. &nbsp;We encourage the WG to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">read and strongly con=
sider this draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Cheers, Sue</span><sp=
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Hi,

This revision adds filtering on and action to change the DEI (Drop
Eligible Indicator) bit in VLAN tags, add simple flow-spec validation,
add a little to the Security Considerations section, updated
information for one author, and includes a number of editorial
improvements. It currently uses AFI=25/SAFI=134 but the authors are OK
with changing that if the Working Group wants.

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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:30 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : BGP Dissemination of L2VPN Flow Specification Rules
>         Authors         : Weiguo Hao
>                           Donald E. Eastlake
>                           James Uttaro
>                           Stephane Litkowski
>                           Shunwan Zhuang
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-12.txt
>         Pages           : 18
>         Date            : 2019-11-03
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> Abstract:
>    This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Flow-spec
>    extension to disseminate Layer 2 Virtual Private Network (L2VPN)
>    Ethernet traffic filtering rules.  AFI=25 SAFI=134 is used for this
>    purpose.  New component types and an extended community also are
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Deprecation of AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET in BGP
        Authors         : Warren Kumari
                          Kotikalapudi Sriram
                          Lilia Hannachi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-02.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2019-11-03

Abstract:
   BCP 172 (i.e., RFC 6472) recommends not using AS_SET and
   AS_CONFED_SET in the Border Gateway Protocol.  This document advances
   this recommendation to a standards requirement in BGP; it proscribes
   the use of the AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET types of path segments in the
   AS_PATH.  This is done to simplify the design and implementation of
   BGP and to make the semantics of the originator of a route clearer.
   This will also simplify the design, implementation, and deployment of
   various BGP security mechanisms.  This document (if approved) updates
   RFC 4271 and RFC 5065 by eliminating AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET types,
   and obsoletes RFC 6472.


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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-02.txt
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Dear all,

It appears we now could use some running code that treats AS_SET and
AS_CONFED_SET as withdraw, or at least provides a
button/flag/knob/policy language hook to make it so!

Kind regards,

Job

On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 07:24:56PM -0800, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
> 
>         Title           : Deprecation of AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET in BGP
>         Authors         : Warren Kumari
>                           Kotikalapudi Sriram
>                           Lilia Hannachi
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 7
> 	Date            : 2019-11-03
> 
> Abstract:
>    BCP 172 (i.e., RFC 6472) recommends not using AS_SET and
>    AS_CONFED_SET in the Border Gateway Protocol.  This document advances
>    this recommendation to a standards requirement in BGP; it proscribes
>    the use of the AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET types of path segments in the
>    AS_PATH.  This is done to simplify the design and implementation of
>    BGP and to make the semantics of the originator of a route clearer.
>    This will also simplify the design, implementation, and deployment of
>    various BGP security mechanisms.  This document (if approved) updates
>    RFC 4271 and RFC 5065 by eliminating AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET types,
>    and obsoletes RFC 6472.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set/
> 
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-02
> 
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-02
> 
> 
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Jeff,=0A=
=0A=
Thank you for a careful review and comments.=0A=
Sorry for the delay in responding. My comments inline below.=0A=
I have uploaded version -02 draft with suggested changes from you=0A=
and John Heasley; so you may look at the diff file as well in datatracker:=
=0A=
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-=
set-02 =0A=
=0A=
> =0A=
> Sriram,=0A=
> =0A=
> Comments somewhat out of order from the diff:=0A=
> =0A=
> Section 4:=0A=
> While well intentioned, this is clumsy in terms of a mandate on how BGP-n=
ext=0A=
> is authored.  BGP is all about incremental deployment and thus just like =
we=0A=
> can't simply "pretend this doesn't exist" for current code, the same will=
 be=0A=
> true for future code.=0A=
> =0A=
> Suggested text:=0A=
> =0A=
> This document deprecates the AS_SET (type 1)  AS_PATH segment type from=
=0A=
> RFC=0A=
> 4271.  BGP Speakers conforming to this document SHOULD NOT* send BGP=0A=
> Update=0A=
> messages containing this AS_SET type.  Upon receipt, BGP Speakers=0A=
> conforming=0A=
> to this document should use the "Treat-as-withdraw" error handling behavi=
or=0A=
> as per RFC 7606.=0A=
> =0A=
> (and similar text for confed-set)=0A=
> =0A=
> * The case here is SHOULD NOT rather than MUST NOT because you're=0A=
> providing=0A=
> the option for a knob to let the old behavior work.=0A=
=0A=
Agree with you except we need to have =93MUST NOT=94 for =0A=
locally generated (initiated) updates with AS_SET. =0A=
And it is =93SHOULD NOT=94 for receipt and forwarding as you suggest.=0A=
=0A=
I have tweaked the text (per your suggestion for the most part) =0A=
in the updated -02 draft as follows: =0A=
=0A=
   =93This document deprecates the AS_SET (type 1) AS_PATH segment type=0A=
   from [RFC4271].  BGP speakers conforming to this document (i.e.,=0A=
   conformant BGP speakers) MUST NOT locally generate BGP UPDATE=0A=
   messages containing AS_SET.  Conformant BGP speakers SHOULD NOT send=0A=
   BGP UPDATE messages containing AS_SET.  Upon receipt of such=0A=
   messages, conformant BGP speakers SHOULD use the "Treat-as-withdraw"=0A=
   error handling behavior as per [RFC7606].=94=0A=
=0A=
Yes, similar wording change has been made for confed-set. =0A=
=0A=
> =0A=
> Section 1:=0A=
> "The aggregation as described above could also create traffic engineering=
=0A=
> issues, because the precise path information for the component prefixes a=
re=0A=
> not preserved."=0A=
> =0A=
> This is rather the whole point of the "atomic aggregate" feature of BGP-4=
=0A=
> specs.  But it's a vestigial feature and we shouldn't fix it.  The=0A=
> underlying point is when you KNOW that it's an aggregate, and there's=0A=
> components you're not talking about, don't de-aggregate because you may d=
o=0A=
> Bad Things to the routes in question.  The usual presumption is that the=
=0A=
> more specific routes are percolating far enough that this is hopefully NO=
T a=0A=
> problem... and good luck with that, because they might get filtered.  (Th=
is=0A=
> is one of the reasons the signaling is vestigial.)=0A=
> =0A=
> The effective point here is that if you ARE doing any sort of filtering o=
f=0A=
> more specifics as part of trying to be conformant with this document, we'=
re=0A=
> hitting exactly that set of considerations.  Ideally, this wouldn't be=0A=
> important.  Practically, we have outages every few months caused because=
=0A=
> people deploy tools that deaggregate routes for traffic optimization=0A=
> purposes, and those de-aggregated routes get leaked.=0A=
=0A=
We are not suggesting =93=85 doing any sort of filtering of more specifics =
=85=94.=0A=
I have removed the text you=92ve cited. That text is not necessary.=0A=
So, I think we are good now.  =0A=
 =0A=
> =0A=
> The implications:=0A=
> - You have to provide an entire revised section 9.1.4 for RFC 4271.=0A=
=0A=
This is no longer relevant given my response above.=0A=
However, section 9.1.4 says (in the last paragraph):=0A=
   =93If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD either include=
=0A=
   all ASes used to form the aggregate in an AS_SET, or add the=0A=
   ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.=94=0A=
We could recommend changing it to:=0A=
   =93If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD =0A=
   add the ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.=94=0A=
=0A=
> =0A=
> Misc. open issue:=0A=
> - What do you do about "atomic aggregate?"=0A=
> - You're also deprecating appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271=0A=
> - You're modifying recommendations for appendix F.4 of RFC 4271.=0A=
> =0A=
=0A=
I think we don=92t need to change anything about ATOMIC_AGGREGATE=0A=
for the purpose of this document.=0A=
=0A=
Yes, we can say =93deprecate appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271=94.  =0A=
We can say the same about F.4 =93deprecate appendix  F.4 of RFC 4271=94.  =
=0A=
F.4 is no longer relevant when AS_SET is deprecated.=0A=
=0A=
However, I think rather than get specific about such instances, =0A=
it better to have an overarching statement. So, the draft now includes=0A=
this statement in Section 4:=0A=
=0A=
   =93Wherever mentions of AS_SET or AS_CONFED_SET occur in [RFC4271] and=
=0A=
   [RFC5065], appropriate modification or elimination of the text must=0A=
   be made in future RFCs that would replace these RFCs, consistent with=0A=
   the deprecation of AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET.=94=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
> Section 3:=0A=
> =0A=
> "Network operators" is likely the wrong voicing here, even though the adv=
ice=0A=
> is to network operators.  (BGP Speakers announce routes.)=0A=
> =0A=
=0A=
I=92ve updated the text that involved voicing network operators and moved i=
t=0A=
down within the section. I think network operators can be proactive and =0A=
not use AS_SET/AS_CONFED_SET even with current implementations.   =0A=
=0A=
> The related changed text likely needs something similar to my=0A=
> recommendation for section 4 above.=0A=
=0A=
Yes, the new text at the top Section 3 is:=0A=
=0A=
   =93BGP speakers conforming to this document (i.e., conformant BGP=0A=
   speakers) MUST NOT locally generate BGP UPDATE messages containing=0A=
   AS_SET or AS_CONFED_SET.  Conformant BGP speakers SHOULD NOT send BGP=0A=
   UPDATE messages containing AS_SET or AS_CONFED_SET.  Upon receipt of=0A=
   such messages, conformant BGP speakers SHOULD use the "Treat-as-=0A=
   withdraw" error handling behavior as per [RFC7606].=94=0A=
 =0A=
> =0A=
> :    Route aggregation that was previously performed by proxy aggregation=
=0A=
> :    without the use of AS_SETs is still possible under some conditions.=
=0A=
> :    When doing this, operators MUST form the aggregate at the border in=
=0A=
> :    the outbound BGP policy and omit any prefixes from the AS that the=
=0A=
> :    aggregate is being advertised to.  As with any change, the operator=
=0A=
> :    should understand the full implications of the change.=0A=
> =0A=
> This text is very imprecise.=0A=
> =0A=
> The following things happen in proxy aggregation:=0A=
> - The aggregated routes are not sent to the networks that provided=0A=
>   contributors.  This is a side effect of the as-set being formed.=0A=
>   + As a result, the contributing networks are expected to need the more=
=0A=
>     specific routes that are the aggregate contributors.=0A=
> =0A=
> How do you do this?=0A=
=0A=
I have removed the text you=92ve cited. That text is not necessary=0A=
for the purpose of this draft.  =0A=
=0A=
Regarding your question =93How do you do this=94, here is my two cents wort=
h.=0A=
I think if AS X is aggregating (without using AS_SET) P1/24 (from cust. A),=
 =0A=
P2/24 (from cust. B), P3/24 (from cust. C)  and P4/24 (from cust. D) to P/2=
2,=0A=
then AS X will announce the P/22 aggregate to its transits and later peers=
=0A=
(while including ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute in the aggregate update),=0A=
but not to the customers. AS X will announce to each of the four customers,=
=0A=
only the more specific prefixes contributed by the other three customers. =
=0A=
In addition, RFC 4271 (sec. 9.1.4) says the following for all other ASes=0A=
(transits, peers, customers of peer, etc.) that receive the aggregate:  =0A=
 =93In particular, a route that carries the=0A=
   ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute MUST NOT be de-aggregated.=94  =0A=
=0A=
I don=92t think we need to put text in the document regarding the above=0A=
since it seems to be adequately covered in RFC 4271. Your take?=0A=
=0A=
Sriram=0A=
=0A=


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Support the adoption.

Best regards,
Linda Dunbar

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 3:08 AM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG Adoption call (2nd post) - draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-regist=
ry-03.txt [11/3 to 11/17/2019]

Greetings IDR:

The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt  was inconc=
lusive.
We had clear support, but just not enough response.
This lack of response was probably due to my errors in posting the
name of the draft (pardon my error Adrian) [Blush..]

To make this easier, the current draft is:

draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03/
which you can get at;

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry/<https://=
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This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752
"Border Gateway Protocol - Link   State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"
from Designated Expert to  Expert Review.

These are both technical reviews prior to assignments of
code point or code points in the registry.
The only difference is instructions for the review.

Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the
BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.

John and I anticipate that expert reviews will allow code request for
BGP-LS quicker response to code requests.  We encourage the WG to
read and strongly consider this draft.

Cheers, Sue

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Best regards,<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Linda Dunbar<span s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr [<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf=
.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2019 3:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG Adoption call (2nd post) - draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Greetings IDR:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">The adoption call for &nbsp;draft-fa=
rrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt &nbsp;was inconclusive. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">We had clear support, but just not e=
nough response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">This lack of response was probably d=
ue to my errors in posting the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">name of the draft (pardon my error A=
drian) [Blush..]
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">To make this easier, the current dra=
ft is:
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03/
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">which you can get at;
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">&quot;Border Gateway Protocol &#8211=
; Link &nbsp;&nbsp;State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry&quot;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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rt Review.&nbsp;
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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or to assignments of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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for the review.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Please read this draft and consider =
if the changes for the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-=
LS parameter assignments. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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views will allow code request for
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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ests. &nbsp;We encourage the WG to
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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t.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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Hi Authors,

I notice that there is one big picture in the page 4 of draft-dunbar-idr-sd=
wan-port-safi-04, it may be a typo.

Best Regards,
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Shun Wan,

Thank you very much for the review. Yes, indeed the picture was wrongly for=
matted, which is  corrected in the latest revision: https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/doc/draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi/
Please let us know if you see more issues.

Thank you.

Linda

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Hi Authors,

I notice that there is one big picture in the page 4 of draft-dunbar-idr-sd=
wan-port-safi-04, it may be a typo.

Best Regards,
Shunwan




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Hi Louis,

Can you elaborate on the intended meaning of encoding a VPN label in your
draft as part of the transport encoding ?

           The following is an example

           PE1----ABR1-----ABR2-----PE2

           PE1 will send the following labels with a color 100 path

           [2001 13001 801 16], where

           2001 - SR label to reach ABR1

           13001 - Binding-SID label to reach ABR2. Underlying tunnel
type is RSVP-TE

           801 - Binding-SID label to reach PE2. Underlying tunnel type is SR-TE
*           16 - a VPN label*

*           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*


Many thx,

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Louis,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Can you elaborate on th=
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nsport encoding ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><pre class=3D"gmail-newpag=
e" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;break-befo=
re:page;color:rgb(0,0,0)">           The following is an example

           PE1----ABR1-----ABR2-----PE2

           PE1 will send the following labels with a color 100 path

           [2001 13001 801 16], where

           2001 - SR label to reach ABR1

           13001 - Binding-SID label to reach ABR2. Underlying tunnel type =
is RSVP-TE

           801 - Binding-SID label to reach PE2. Underlying tunnel type is =
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Dear Authors of draft-wang-idr-flowspec-dip-origin-as-filter

After reading this document with interest I am scared !

*You have constructed a fantastic tool to hijack traffic to any AS or for
that matter balckhole it completely with surgical precision. *

Yet the draft does not say a word about validation of such filters. In fact
it describes use cases where validation would not be done as no destination
IP address would be present at all. Section 4 just illustrates DST ASN +
SRC IP.

Technically you highlight the value of the proposal by stating that R1
needs to install only one rule in the data plane:

 Using the method defining in this draft, the ISP AS64597 needs to
   setup only *one "Destination Origin AS + Source Prefix" rule in Router
   R1 as following:
*
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+
     | Destination  | Source Prefix| Redirect to IP Nexthop  |
     | IP Origin AS |              |                         |
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+
     |  64598       | IP Prefix 61 |       R3                |
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+

     Figure 3: Steering the Traffic Using Origin AS and Source Prefix


Well packets do not carry ASNs so that may be a bit tricky for the data
plane.

I assume you mean that router will explode given Dst ASN into all atomic
BGP destination announcements either by BGP AS_PATH match or by RIR/RPKI
lookup. So effectively one such control plane rule may result in 100s of
not 1000s of data plane match rules.

And at the end you state:




*5.  Security Considerations   No new security issues are introduced to the
BGP protocol by this   specification.*

IMHO this proposal both on security and technical grounds should not
proceed any further.

Many Thx,
Robert.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>Dear Authors of=C2=A0draft-wang-idr-flowspe=
c-dip-origin-as-filter<div><br></div><div>After reading this document with =
interest I am scared !=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><b>You have construct=
ed a fantastic tool to hijack traffic to any AS or for that matter balckhol=
e it completely with surgical precision.=C2=A0</b></div><div><br></div><div=
>Yet the draft does not say a word about validation of such filters. In fac=
t it describes use cases where validation would not be done as no destinati=
on IP address would be present at all. Section 4 just illustrates DST ASN=
=C2=A0+ SRC IP.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Technically you highlight th=
e value of the proposal by stating that R1 needs to install only one rule i=
n the data plane:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><pre class=3D"gmail-newpag=
e" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;break-befo=
re:page;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Using the method defining in this draft, the ISP=
 AS64597 needs to
   setup only <b>one &quot;Destination Origin AS + Source Prefix&quot; rule=
 in Router
   R1 as following:
</b>
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+
     | Destination  | Source Prefix| Redirect to IP Nexthop  |
     | IP Origin AS |              |                         |
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+
     |  64598       | IP Prefix 61 |       R3                |
     +--------------+--------------+-------------------------+

     Figure 3: Steering the Traffic Using Origin AS and Source Prefix</pre>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Well packets do not carry ASNs so that may be a b=
it tricky for the data plane.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I assume you m=
ean that router will explode given Dst ASN into all atomic BGP destination =
announcements=C2=A0either by BGP AS_PATH match or by RIR/RPKI lookup. So ef=
fectively one such control plane rule may result in 100s of not 1000s of da=
ta plane match rules.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>And at the end you sta=
te:=C2=A0</div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>5.=C2=A0 Security Consideratio=
ns<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0No new security issues are introduced to the BGP pro=
tocol by this<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0specification.</b><br></div><div><b><br></b><=
/div><div>IMHO this proposal both on security and technical grounds should =
not proceed any further.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Many Thx,<br>Robert=
.</div><div><br></div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for Tunneled Traffic
        Authors         : Donald Eastlake
                          Weiguo Hao
                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Rong Gu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-07.txt
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	Date            : 2019-11-04

Abstract:
   This draft specifies a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer
   Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format for flow
   specifications (RFC 5575bis) that can match on a variety of tunneled
   traffic. In addition, flow specification components are specified for
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Hi,

Although the file name remains the same, this revision makes this
draft much less NVO3 focused and changes it into a more general
tunneling flowspec draft and proposes using a new SAFI. Comments and
suggestions welcome.

Thanks,
Donald
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>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : BGP Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for Tunneled Traffic
>         Authors         : Donald Eastlake
>                           Weiguo Hao
>                           Shunwan Zhuang
>                           Zhenbin Li
>                           Rong Gu
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-07.txt
>         Pages           : 17
>         Date            : 2019-11-04
>
> Abstract:
>    This draft specifies a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer
>    Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format for flow
>    specifications (RFC 5575bis) that can match on a variety of tunneled
>    traffic. In addition, flow specification components are specified for
>    certain tunneling header fields.
>
>
>
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3/
>
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nvo3-07
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules
        Authors         : Christoph Loibl
                          Susan Hares
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Danny McPherson
                          Martin Bacher
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-18.txt
	Pages           : 37
	Date            : 2019-11-04

Abstract:
   This document obsoletes both RFC5575 and RFC7674.

   This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer
   Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format, that can be used
   to distribute traffic Flow Specifications.  This allows the routing
   system to propagate information regarding more specific components of
   the traffic aggregate defined by an IP destination prefix.

   It also specifies BGP Extended Community encoding formats, that can
   be used to propagate Traffic Filtering Actions along with the Flow
   Specification NLRI.  Those Traffic Filtering Actions encode actions a
   routing system can take if the packet matches the Flow Specification.

   Additionally, it defines two applications of that encoding format:
   one that can be used to automate inter-domain coordination of traffic
   filtering, such as what is required in order to mitigate
   (distributed) denial-of-service attacks, and a second application to
   provide traffic filtering in the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service.
   Other applications (ie. centralized control of traffic in a SDN or
   NFV context) are also possible.  Other drafts specify IPv6, MPLS
   addresses, L2VPN addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP addresses as
   Flow Specification extensions.

   The information is carried via the BGP, thereby reusing protocol
   algorithms, operational experience, and administrative processes such
   as inter-provider peering agreements.


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Hi Alvaro and IDR,

Alvaro, thank you very much for your detailed review and comments!

On behalf of the draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis authors I uploaded a new =
version (-18) of the draft:

	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/

This is the result of the improvements that we worked on after your =
review. Some of the structural changes lead to big changes if you run =
the -17/-18 thru rfcdiff. However, we documented all the changes and the =
entire process on Github. All issues and the related changes can be =
reviewed there (hoping to move it to an IETF/IDR Org. account soon):

	https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis=20

Additionally, please see the below comments that we added to your review =
text (for documentation on the IDR list). For all issues you raised we =
added links to the issues tracked on Github. For the major issues we =
also added a comment how those have been resolved. We think that the =
document has very much improved and benefited from your review and the =
process that followed.

Because of the discussion about the Flow Specification v6 (IDR concluded =
that the v6 draft should *not* be merged into rfc5575bis - as pointed =
out previously) Sue, Robert and me also spent some time to update the =
Flow Specification v6 draft and align it with the current =
draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis:

	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6/

I encourage the WG to review the resulting document (-10), we want to =
proceed if there are no objections. I also ask implementors of the v6 =
draft (we know that there are quite a few) to contribute to the =
implementation report for draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6 on the IDR wiki:

	=
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6%20implemen=
tations

Cheers Christoph


[Line numbers from idnits.]

...
17	Abstract

[nit] It is interesting to me that the Abstract was significantly =
rewritten while the Introduction was mostly left unchanged.  I assume =
this was done to reflect the changes in the document upfront...but it =
then results in, what I think, is an Abstract that is too long, and an =
incomplete Introduction.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #1: https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/1
Related issue mentioned: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/117

Abstract and Introduction have been updated in =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/117
-->

19	  This document defines a Border Gateway Protocol Network Layer
20	  Reachability Information (BGP NLRI) encoding format that can =
be used
21	  to distribute traffic Flow Specifications.  This allows the =
routing
22	  system to propagate information regarding more specific =
components of
23	  the traffic aggregate defined by an IP destination prefix.

25	  It specifies IPv4 traffic Flow Specifications via a BGP NLRI =
which
26	  carries traffic Flow Specification filter, and an Extended =
community
27	  value which encodes actions a routing system can take if the =
packet
28	  matches the traffic flow filters.  The flow filters and the =
actions
29	  are processed in a fixed order.  Other drafts specify IPv6, =
MPLS
30	  addresses, L2VPN addresses, and NV03 encapsulation of IP =
addresses.

[nit] s/carries traffic Flow Specification filter/carries a traffic Flow =
Specification filter

[minor] I think that this paragraph, or something like it, belongs in =
the Introduction (and not the Abstract), because it provides information =
that could benefit from references:

- the two parts of the NLRI; BTW, the community is not even mentioned in =
the Introduction.

- other drafts... The Introduction only mentions and provides a =
reference to the IPv6 work.

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32	  This document obsoletes RFC5575 and RFC7674 to correct unclear
33	  specifications in the flow filters.

[major] Please add a similar statement in the Introduction, with =
references to both RFCs.  There should be an Informative reference to =
both.

[minor] Appendix A talks about the difference of this document with =
respect to rfc5575.  What about rfc7674?  It looks like any updates from =
rfc7674 have been incorporated in this document.  It would be very nice, =
even if just for completion, if there was an Appendix that talked about =
rfc7674 -- I even think that a sub-section of Appendix A would be =
enough.

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35	  Applications which use the bgp Flow Specification are: 1) =
application
36	  which automate inter-domain coordination of traffic filtering, =
such
37	  as what is required in order to mitigate (distributed) =
denial-of-
38	  service attacks; 2) applications which control traffic =
filtering in
39	  the context of a BGP/MPLS VPN service, and 3) applications =
with
40	  centralized control of traffic in a SDN or NFV context.  Some
41	  deployments of these three applications can be handled by the =
strict
42	  ordering of the BGP NLRI traffic flow filters, and the strict =
actions
43	  encoded in the extended community Flow Specification actions.

[minor] Please move this paragraph to the Introduction.

[nit] s/extended community/Extended Community/g

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The mentioned paragraph has been shortened but not completely removed.
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...
133	1.  Introduction
...
149	  This document defines a general procedure to encode flow
150	  specification rules for aggregated traffic flows so that they =
can be
151	  distributed as a BGP [RFC4271] NLRI.  Additionally, we define =
the
152	  required mechanisms to utilize this definition to the problem =
of
153	  immediate concern to the authors: intra- and inter-provider
154	  distribution of traffic filtering rules to filter =
(distributed)
155	  denial-of-service (DoS) attacks.

[minor] The document uses "Flow Specification" and "flow specification" =
to refer to the same thing...right?  Or are there differences due to the =
capitalization?  Please be consistent.

[style nit] Using "we" is not the best for a consensus document.  s/we =
define/it defines

[nit] "problem of immediate concern to the authors"  Only the authors?  =
This piece of text was also present in rfc5575 -- having a different set =
of authors, I would assume we can safely say that the =
concern/application goes beyond the authors...right?  Please reword.

[minor] Given that this is a bis, is the motivation still the same?  I =
think in part it is, but in part there may be other drivers.  Just =
asking...

[minor] This seems to be a good place to move the text from the Abstract =
that describes applications...

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...
164	  A Flow Specification received from an external autonomous =
system will
165	  need to be validated against unicast routing before being =
accepted.
166	  If the aggregate traffic flow defined by the unicast =
destination
167	  prefix is forwarded to a given BGP peer, then the local system =
can
168	  install more specific flow rules that may result in different
169	  forwarding behavior, as requested by this system.

[major] "A Flow Specification received from an external autonomous =
system will need to be validated against unicast routing before being =
accepted."  What about if received internally?

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The flow specification received from an internal BGP peer within the =
same autonomous system (per RFC4271) is assumed to have been validated =
prior to transmission within the iBGP mesh of an autonomous system.
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171	  The key technology components required to address the class of
172	  problems targeted by this document are:

174	  1.  Efficient point-to-multipoint distribution of control =
plane
175	      information.

177	  2.  Inter-domain capabilities and routing policy support.

179	  3.  Tight integration with unicast routing, for verification
180	      purposes.

182	  Items 1 and 2 have already been addressed using BGP for other =
types
183	  of control plane information.  Close integration with BGP also =
makes
184	  it feasible to specify a mechanism to automatically verify =
flow
185	  information against unicast routing.  These factors are behind =
the
186	  choice of BGP as the carrier of Flow Specification =
information.

[nit] I don't think that we need to keep justifying...  Just a nit...

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188	  As with previous extensions to BGP, this specification makes =
it
189	  possible to add additional information to Internet routers.  =
These
190	  are limited in terms of the maximum number of data elements =
they can
191	  hold as well as the number of events they are able to process =
in a
192	  given unit of time.  The authors believe that, as with =
previous
193	  extensions, service providers will be careful to keep =
information
194	  levels below the maximum capacity of their devices.

196	  Experience with previous BGP extensions has also shown that =
the
197	  maximum capacity of BGP speakers has been gradually increased
198	  according to expected loads.  For example Internet unicast =
routing as
199	  well as other BGP applications increased their maximum =
capacity as
200	  they gain popularity.

[minor] This is the same text from 10 years ago.  Many things, including =
hardware processing/storage, has changed.  Is this text still necessary? =
 If so, then I would like to see explicit operational considerations on =
what an operator should look for when being "careful".

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...
214	  In current deployments, the information distributed by the =
flow-spec
215	  extension is originated both manually as well as =
automatically.  The
216	  latter by systems that are able to detect malicious flows.  =
When
217	  automated systems are used, care should be taken to ensure =
their
218	  correctness as well as to limit the number and advertisement =
rate of
219	  flow routes.

[major] An automated system that is not "correct", because it may not be =
properly programmed, the algorithms used are not performing as expected, =
or simply because it is rogue, are all vulnerabilities that should be =
called out in the Security Considerations section.

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221	  This specification defines required protocol extensions to =
address
222	  most common applications of IPv4 unicast and VPNv4 unicast =
filtering.
223	  The same mechanism can be reused and new match criteria added =
to
224	  address similar filtering needs for other BGP address families =
such
225	  as IPv6 families [I-D.ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6],

[nit] s/[I-D.ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6],/[I-D.ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6].

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227	2.  Definitions of Terms Used in This Memo
...
233	  Loc-RIB -   Local RIB.

[major] This simple definition doesn't match the one in =C2=A71.1/rfc4271.=


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..
247	3.  Flow Specifications
...
266	  BGP itself treats the NLRI as an key to an entry in its =
databases.
267	  Entries that are placed in the Loc-RIB are then associated =
with a
268	  given set of semantics, which is application dependent.  This =
is
269	  consistent with existing BGP applications.  For instance, IP =
unicast
270	  routing (AFI=3D1, SAFI=3D1) and IP multicast reverse-path =
information
271	  (AFI=3D1, SAFI=3D2) are handled by BGP without any particular =
semantics
272	  being associated with them until installed in the Loc-RIB.

[nit] s/an key/a key

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274	  Standard BGP policy mechanisms, such as UPDATE filtering by =
NLRI
275	  prefix as well as community matching and manipulation, MUST =
apply to
276	  the Flow Specification defined NLRI-type, especially in an =
inter-
277	  domain environment.  Network operators can also control =
propagation
278	  of such routing updates by enabling or disabling the exchange =
of a
279	  particular (AFI, SAFI) pair on a given BGP peering session.

[major] The point of NLRIs all being treated the same is made above, to =
reinforce the default BGP behavior...and this paragraph tries to bring =
home the point by Normatively enforcing it (MUST).  However, because the =
behavior is what BGP specifies by default, then this document cannot be =
Normative in it (unless it specified an exception).  s/MUST/must

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281	4.  Dissemination of IPv4 FLow Specification Information
...
287	  This NLRI information is encoded using MP_REACH_NLRI and
288	  MP_UNREACH_NLRI attributes as defined in [RFC4760].  Whenever =
the
289	  corresponding application does not require Next-Hop =
information, this
290	  shall be encoded as a 0-octet length Next Hop in the =
MP_REACH_NLRI
291	  attribute and ignored on receipt.

[minor] s/Next-Hop/Next Hop       rfc4760 uses "Next Hop"

[nit] "...shall be encoded as a 0-octet length Next Hop in the =
MP_REACH_NLRI attribute and ignored on receipt."  What is ignored?  The =
Next Hop?  If it doesn't exist (length =3D 0), then it can't be =
ignored...  Perhaps delete " and ignored on receipt".

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...
297	      +------------------------------+
298	      |    length (0xnn or 0xfn nn)  |
299	      +------------------------------+
300	      |    NLRI value  (variable)    |
301	      +------------------------------+

[minor] s/0xfn nn/0xfnnn

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...
312	4.1.  Length Encoding

314	  o  If the NLRI length value is smaller than 240 (0xf0 hex), =
the
315	     length field can be encoded as a single octet.

[nit] s/240/240 octets

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317	  o  Otherwise, it is encoded as an extended-length 2-octet =
value in
318	     which the most significant nibble of the first byte is all =
ones.

320	  In figure 1 above, values less-than 240 are encoded using two =
hex
321	  digits (0xnn).  Values above 239 are encoded using 3 hex =
digits
322	  (0xfnnn).  The highest value that can be represented with this
323	  encoding is 4095.  The value 241 is encoded as 0xf0f1.

[nit] It may make more sense to show the encoding for 240.

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325	4.2.  NLRI Value Encoding
...
332	  The encoding of each of the NLRI components begins with a type =
field
333	  (1 octet) followed by a variable length parameter.  Section =
4.2.1 to
334	  Section 4.2.12 define component types and parameter encodings =
for the
335	  IPv4 IP layer and transport layer headers.  IPv6 NLRI =
component types
336	  are described in [I-D.ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6].

[minor] "followed by a variable length parameter"   Only the first two =
types have a variable length parameter...

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338	  Flow Specification components must follow strict type ordering =
by
339	  increasing numerical order.  A given component type may =
(exactly
340	  once) or may not be present in the specification.  If present, =
it
341	  MUST precede any component of higher numeric type value.

[major] What should happen if a component appears more than once?

[major] What should happen if the order is not maintained?

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Basically if the NLRI is not encoded to specification we have a =
malformed NLRI (most probably the BGP NLRI parser will throw an =
exception on the implementation). I am not sure if this needs to be made =
explicit. - But I can make this explicit.
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343	  All combinations of component types within a single NLRI are =
allowed,
344	  even if the combination makes no sense from a semantical =
perspective.
345	  If a given component type within a prefix in unknown, the =
prefix in
346	  question cannot be used for traffic filtering purposes by the
347	  receiver.  Since a Flow Specification has the semantics of a =
logical
348	  AND of all components, if a component is FALSE, by definition =
it
349	  cannot be applied.  However, for the purposes of BGP route
350	  propagation, this prefix should still be transmitted since BGP =
route
351	  distribution is independent on NLRI semantics.

[nit] s/prefix in unknown/prefix is unknown

[nit] s/independent on NLRI/independent of NLRI

[major] "...for the purposes of BGP route propagation, this prefix =
should still be transmitted since BGP route distribution is independent =
on NLRI semantics."  I think this is a vulnerability: a (large) set of =
meaningless Flow Specifications may be injected in the routing system...

[major] Also, propagating these unknown components may result in a =
router down the line, which understands them, reacting.  While the =
reaction shouldn't result in reset adjacencies, it may result in =
inconsistent forwarding or other unexpected outcomes...

[major] This treatment of unknown extensions is in conflict with the =
text in =C2=A711.  See my comments there.

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Only filters that actually can match packets should be propagated, =
unknown components will not be propagated see the updated paragraph =
about FS extensions.
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353	4.2.1.  Type 1 - Destination Prefix

355	     Encoding: <type (1 octet), prefix length (1 octet), prefix>

357	     Defines: the destination prefix to match.  Prefixes are =
encoded as
358	     in BGP UPDATE messages, a length in bits is followed by =
enough
359	     octets to contain the prefix information.

[nit] s/Defines: the destination prefix/Defines the destination prefix

[major] rfc4271: "The Prefix field contains an IP address prefix, =
followed by the minimum number of trailing bits needed to make the end =
of the field fall on an octet boundary."   The text above makes it sound =
as if the prefix field may not end in an octet boundary, which is what =
rfc4271 specifies.

NEW (suggestion)>
Defines the destination prefix to match.  The length and prefix fields =
are
encoded as in BGP UPDATE messages [rfc4271].

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361	4.2.2.  Type 2 - Source Prefix

363	     Encoding: <type (1 octet), prefix-length (1 octet), prefix>

365	     Defines the source prefix to match.

[minor] "... The length and prefix fields are encoded as in BGP UPDATE =
messages [rfc4271]."

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367	4.2.3.  Type 3 - IP Protocol

369	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, value]+>

371	     Contains a set of {operator, value} pairs that are used to =
match
372	     the IP protocol value byte in IP packets.

[minor] Include a reference to the protocol numbers..

[major] Are all protocol numbers valid?  I guess that in theory anything =
is -- what should a receiver do with Flow Specifications that cover =
protocols that are not supported?  I'm wondering if sending Flow =
Specifications for every protocol under the sun is a vulnerability -- =
knowing that only a few will ever be present in the Internet.  Is there =
any guidance that you can provide in =C2=A714 (or a separate Operational =
Considerations section)?  I also point this out because the rest of the =
types focus on TCP/UDP...what about other transport layer protocols?

[major] Related question: even for "valid" protocols, should all be =
accepted from eBGP peers?  I think that it is probably ok...asking for =
completeness.

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*all* protocol numbers are valid even from eBGP peers.

There is no value restricting FS to a set of predefined protocol =
numbers. It is simply a match against the IP protocol octet in the IP =
header. We see packets flowing with all kinds of odd packets used in =
DDoS attacks (including some odd protocol numbers).

BGP update filtering based on components may be implemented (as it is =
today for ipv4 prefixes) by vendors. There are big frameworks build =
around import/export policies for other NLRIs already.=20

FS extensions may add new components matching on different properties of =
the packet. This draft does not introduce any changed components as =
requested by the WG to RFC5575
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374	     The operator byte is encoded as:

376	    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
377	  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
378	  | e | a |  len  | 0 |lt |gt |eq |
379	  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

381	       Numeric operator

[nit] Center the figure...

[clarity] Please describe the operators independent of one of the Types. =
 As defined, it looks like they only apply to one type...it is much =
later that the reader realizes that there is a reason for the =
"complexity".  Along the same lines, I think that the "set of {operator, =
value} pairs" phrase could use some more text to explain that the =
operator is the whole octet, with a corresponding value...

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383	     e - end-of-list bit.  Set in the last {op, value} pair in =
the
384	     list.

[major] What action should be taken if a received flow spec has this bit =
not set anywhere, or is set somewhere other than the last pair?

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will abort. This is where Error Handling kicks in -> malformed update
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386	     a - AND bit.  If unset, the previous term is logically ORed =
with
387	     the current one.  If set, the operation is a logical AND.  =
In the
388	     first operator byte of a sequence it SHOULD be encoded as =
unset
389	     and and MUST be treated as always unset on decoding.  The =
AND
390	     operator has higher priority than OR for the purposes of
391	     evaluating logical expressions.

393	     len - length of the value field for this operator given as =
(1 <<
394	     len).  This encodes 1 (00) - 8 (11) bytes.  Type 3 flow =
component
395	     values SHOULD be encoded as single byte (len =3D 00).

[major] Please expand on the meaning of "1 << len".

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...
406	  The bits lt, gt, and eq can be combined to produce common =
relational
407	  operators such as "less or equal", "greater or equal", and =
"not equal
408	  to".

[minor] "...as shown in Table 1."

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410	           +----+----+----+----------------------------------+
411	           | lt | gt | eq | Resulting operation              |
412	           +----+----+----+----------------------------------+
413	           | 0  | 0  | 0  | false (independent of the value) |
414	           | 0  | 0  | 1  | =3D=3D (equal)                       =
|
415	           | 0  | 1  | 0  | > (greater than)                 |
416	           | 0  | 1  | 1  | >=3D (greater than or equal)       |
417	           | 1  | 0  | 0  | < (less than)                    |
418	           | 1  | 0  | 1  | <=3D (less than or equal)          |
419	           | 1  | 1  | 0  | !=3D (not equal value)             |
420	           | 1  | 1  | 1  | true (independent of the value)  |
421	           +----+----+----+----------------------------------+

423	               Table 1: Comparison operation combinations

425	4.2.4.  Type 4 - Port

427	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, value]+>

429	     Defines a list of {operator, value} pairs that matches =
source OR
430	     destination TCP/UDP ports.  This list is encoded using the =
numeric
431	     operator format defined in Section 4.2.3.  Values SHOULD be
432	     encoded as 1- or 2-byte quantities.

[minor] A reference to TCP/UDP header/ports would be nice.

[major] "matches source OR destination TCP/UDP ports"  Which one?  Both? =
 Either?  How does the receiver know which one?

[minor] What is the interaction/relationship between this type and Types =
5 and 6?  The text in =C2=A74.2 allows for all 3 types to be present, =
and have an influence in the action taken...they seem redundant.

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ad-major1:
It matches src-port OR destination-port as logical "OR", for this =
component to result in "true" either the src OR the destination port =
must match the value.=20

In contrary to the dst-port (Type 5) or src-port (Type 6) component =
which matches only against dst-port or src-port exclusively.

ad-minor2:
[minor] What is the interaction/relationship between this type and Types =
5 and 6? The text in =C2=A74.2 allows for all 3 types to be present, and =
have an influence in the action taken...they seem redundant.

See above. Using all 3 at the same time may seem redundant. However =
_all_ components of a flowspec must result in True for a flow to match =
(logical AND between components).

Example 1:
Type 4 port=3D=3D8080
Type 5 dst-port=3D=3D80
Type 6 src-port=3D=3D443
-> will not match any flow because there is no flow with=20
Expression: (dst-port=3D=3D8080 OR src-port=3D=3D8080) AND dst-port=3D=3D8=
0 AND src-port=3D=3D443

Example 2:
Type 4 port=3D=3D8080
Type 5 dst-port=3D=3D80
-> matches flow dst-port 80 and src-port 8080
Expression: (dst-port=3D=3D8080 OR src-port=3D=3D8080) AND dst-port=3D=3D8=
0

Example 3:
Type 4 port=3D=3D8080
-> matches flow dst-port=3D8080 src-port=3D*
-> matches flow dst-port any src-port=3D8080
Expression: (dst-port=3D=3D8080 OR src-port=3D=3D8080)

Example 4:
Type 6 src-port=3D=3D80
-> matches flow src-port=3D80 dst-port=3D*
Expression: src-port=3D=3D80
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434	     Port, source port, and destination port components evaluate =
to
435	     FALSE if the IP protocol field of the packet has a value =
other
436	     than TCP or UDP, if the packet is fragmented and this is =
not the
437	     first fragment, or if the system in unable to locate the =
transport
438	     header.  Different implementations may or may not be able =
to
439	     decode the transport header in the presence of IP options =
or
440	     Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP) NULL [RFC4303] =
encryption.

[minor] "Port, source port, and destination port components..."  This =
section only talks about the port; please duplicate this text in the =
other sections, or put a reference to it there, or put a forward =
reference here...

[major] "...evaluate to FALSE if the IP protocol field of the packet has =
a value other than TCP or UDP, if the packet is fragmented and this is =
not the first fragment, or if the system in unable to locate the =
transport header."  This sentence seems to mix the applicability of the =
Flow Specification (FALSE is first introduced in =C2=A74.2 to describe =
the effect of a component on the rule), and the application to a =
specific packet.  Please separate the two aspects. I do have some =
specific questions/comments.

(1) The text starts by talking about the "protocol field of the packet" =
(not the protocol value in the Type 3 parameter)...  I assume that a =
Flow Specification would only apply to a packet if the protocol matches =
the Type 3 parameter...but the statement seems to say that it wouldn't =
apply regardless of the Type 3 (see my question there about valid =
protocols)...or maybe even if a Type 3 is not present....

(2) "...evaluate to FALSE...if the packet is fragmented and this is not =
the first fragment..."  Type 12 specifically includes values for other =
cases.  How is the interaction expected?

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UDP/TCP header can be identified. Non TCP or UDP packets will never =
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460	4.2.7.  Type 7 - ICMP type

462	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, value]+>

464	     Defines a list of {operator, value} pairs used to match the =
type
465	     field of an ICMP packet.  This list is encoded using the =
numeric
466	     operator format defined in Section 4.2.3.  Values SHOULD be
467	     encoded using a single byte.

[minor] A reference to ICMP would be nice.

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469	     The ICMP type specifiers evaluate to FALSE whenever the =
protocol
470	     value is not ICMP.

472	4.2.8.  Type 8 - ICMP code

474	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, value]+>

476	     Defines a list of {operator, value} pairs used to match the =
code
477	     field of an ICMP packet.  This list is encoded using the =
numeric
478	     operator format defined in Section 4.2.3.  Values SHOULD be
479	     encoded using a single byte.

481	     The ICMP code specifiers evaluate to FALSE whenever the =
protocol
482	     value is not ICMP.

[minor] I guess that it should also evaluate FALSE if the ICMP code is =
not relevant for the Type.  ??

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484	4.2.9.  Type 9 - TCP flags

486	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, bitmask]+>

[minor] The operator (described below) is called "bitmask", which is a =
little confusing with the bitmask itself...

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488	     Bitmask values can be encoded as a 1- or 2-byte bitmask.  =
When a
489	     single byte is specified, it matches byte 13 of the TCP =
header
490	     [RFC0793], which contains bits 8 though 15 of the 4th =
32-bit word.
491	     When a 2-byte encoding is used, it matches bytes 12 and 13 =
of the
492	     TCP header with the data offset field having a "don't care" =
value.

[minor] Identifying the right octets is more important than counting the =
number of bytes...  The interesting bytes are identified above as "bytes =
12 and 13"; however, work from the Transport Area talks about "bytes 13 =
and 14": https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3168#section-6.1  It would be =
nice if this was aligned or if any ambiguity could be avoided.

[minor] "...with the data offset field having a "don't care" value."  =
What does that mean?  To me, it sounds as if the bitmask values can't be =
used to match on the offset....is that the right interpretation?  Some =
clarity would avoid guessing..

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494	     This component evaluates to FALSE for packets that are not =
TCP
495	     packets.

[major] As mentioned before, this sentence also seems to mix/confuse the =
applicability of the component (whether it can be used at all) and the =
application of it to match a specific packet.  In this case, the text =
seems to simply say that a Flow Specification which uses Type 9 can only =
be used to match TCP packets...

[major] Should the Flow Specification evaluate to FALSE if this Type is =
used *and* Type 3 doesn't include TCP *only* in it's description?

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Same solution as with UDP/TCP ports
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497	     This type uses the bitmask operator format, which differs =
from the
498	     numeric operator format in the lower nibble.

[minor] As with the numeric operator, I think it would be clearer if it =
was introduced before the types.

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500	   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
501	  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
502	  | e | a |  len  | 0 | 0 |not| m |
503	  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

505	     Bitmask operator

[nit] Center the figure...

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507	  e, a, len - Most significant nibble:  (end-of-list bit, AND =
bit, and
508	     length field), as defined for in the numeric operator =
format in
509	     Section 4.2.3.

[] See the questions about the e bit above.

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542	4.2.12.  Type 12 - Fragment

544	     Encoding:<type (1 octet), [op, bitmask]+>

546	     Uses bitmask operator format defined in Section 4.2.9.

[major] No, it doesn't.  The new one is defined below.

[clarity] Again, please introduce the operators before the types.  In =
this case, this operator seems to also carry the bitmask name, which can =
be confusing with the one introduced in =C2=A74.2.9 and the name of the =
value field...

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In fact it uses the same operator (op) from 4.2.9 - but a different =
bitmask. I think with the definition of the operators prior to the =
components and proper references it is now clearer.
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548	     0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
549	   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
550	   | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |LF |FF |IsF|DF |
551	   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

[nit] Center the figure...

[nit] Please add Figure numbers.

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553	     Bitmask values:

555	        Bit 7 - Don't fragment (DF)

557	        Bit 6 - Is a fragment (IsF)

559	        Bit 5 - First fragment (FF)

561	        Bit 4 - Last fragment (LF)

563	        Bit 0-3 - SHOULD be set to 0 on NLRI encoding, and MUST =
be
564	        ignored during decoding

[major] The operation is not specified.  Is this also an =
(operator,bitmask) pair, or just 8 bits indicating the values?  Can =
multiple bits be set at the same time?  What fields in the IP header do =
these map to?

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566	4.3.  Examples of Encodings

568	  An example of a Flow Specification encoding for: "all packets =
to
569	  10.0.1/24 and TCP port 25".

[nit] For clarity, include the whole subnet: s/ 10.0.1/24 / 10.0.1.0/24

[major] Use IP addresses from the documentation pool [rfc5737] in all =
examples.

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571	     +------------------+----------+----------+
572	     | destination      | proto    | port     |
573	     +------------------+----------+----------+
574	     | 0x01 18 0a 00 01 | 03 81 06 | 04 81 19 |
575	     +------------------+----------+----------+

[minor] It would be nice if the examples show the the whole Flow-spec =
NLRI, and not just the NLRI value.  Also, it would be great if one of =
the examples required more than 240 bytes.

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577	  Decode for protocol:

[minor] Please show the decodes for all the fields.

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579	     +-------+----------+------------------------------+
580	     | Value |          |                              |
581	     +-------+----------+------------------------------+
582	     |  0x03 | type     |                              |
583	     |  0x81 | operator | end-of-list, value size=3D1, =3D |
584	     |  0x06 | value    |                              |
585	     +-------+----------+------------------------------+

[minor] For completion, indicate that Protocol 6 is TCP.

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587	  An example of a Flow Specification encoding for: "all packets =
to
588	  10.1.1/24 from 192/8 and port {range [137, 139] or 8080}".

[] Ah...NETBIOS...

[nit] It might be a good idea to number the examples...

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612	5.  Traffic Filtering

614	  Traffic filtering policies have been traditionally considered =
to be
615	  relatively static.  Limitations of the static mechanisms =
caused this
616	  mechanism to be designed for the three new applications of =
traffic
617	  filtering (prevention of traffic-based, denial-of-service =
(DOS)
618	  attacks, traffic filtering in the context of BGP/MPLS VPN =
service,
619	  and centralized traffic control for SDN/NFV networks) requires
620	  coordination among service providers and/or coordination among =
the AS
621	  within a service provider.  Section 9 has details on the =
limitation
622	  of previous mechanisms and why BGP Flow Specification provides =
a
623	  solution for to prevent DOS and aid BGP/MPLS VPN filtering =
rules.

[minor] This sentence, without the parenthesis, doesn't seem to make =
sense: "Limitations of the static mechanisms caused this mechanism to be =
designed for the three new applications of traffic filtering requires =
coordination among service providers and/or coordination among the AS =
within a service provider."

[nit] s/solution for to prevent/solution to prevent

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625	  This Flow Specification NLRI defined above to convey =
information
626	  about traffic filtering rules for traffic that should be =
discarded or
627	  handled in manner specified by a set of pre-defined actions =
(which
628	  are defined in BGP Extended Communities).  This mechanism is
629	  primarily designed to allow an upstream autonomous system to =
perform
630	  inbound filtering in their ingress routers of traffic that a =
given
631	  downstream AS wishes to drop.

[nit] s/This Flow Specification NLRI/The Flow Specification NLRI

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645	  Distribution of the IPv4 Flow Specification is described in
646	  Section 6, and distibution of BGP/MPLS traffic Flow =
Specification is
647	  described in Section 8.  The traffic filtering actions are =
described
648	  in Section 7.

[minor] Section 6 talks about validation, not distribution.

[nit] s/distibution/distribution

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650	5.1.  Ordering of Traffic Filtering Rules

652	  With traffic filtering rules, more than one rule may match a
653	  particular traffic flow.  Thus, it is necessary to define the =
order
654	  at which rules get matched and applied to a particular traffic =
flow.
655	  This ordering function must be such that it must not depend on =
the
656	  arrival order of the Flow Specification's rules and must be
657	  consistent in the network.

[clarification] Are "traffic filtering rules" the same thing as "traffic =
filtering actions", or are they more like "Flow Specification's rules"?  =
 You also mention (below) "Flow Specification rules" in the context of =
ordering, so my guess is that "traffic filtering rules" and "Flow =
Specification rules" are equivalent...are they?   In my opinion, there =
are too many ways to refer to the same, or very similar things.  Please =
take advantage of =C2=A72 to help the reader, or at least simplify the =
terminology.

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659	  The relative order of two Flow Specification rules is =
determined by
660	  comparing their respective components.  The algorithm starts =
by
661	  comparing the left-most components of the rules.  If the types
662	  differ, the rule with lowest numeric type value has higher =
precedence
663	  (and thus will match before) than the rule that doesn't =
contain that
664	  component type.  If the component types are the same, then a =
type-
665	  specific comparison is performed (see below) if the types are =
equal
666	  the algorithm continues with the next component.

[minor] To be clear: the comparison is done between the component types =
defined in =C2=A74.2...and "left-most" means "first"...

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668	  For IP prefix values (IP destination or source prefix): If the
669	  prefixes overlap, the one with the longer prefix-length has =
higher
670	  precedence.  If they do not overlap the one with the lowest IP =
value
671	  has higher precedence.

[minor] I need you to be more specific when talking about "overlap".  =
Clearly 10.1..0.0/16 and 10.1.1.0/24 overlap, then the higher precedence =
would be for the /24, right?  Do 130.0.0.0/16 and 150..1.1.0/24 overlap =
(they have the first 3 bits in common)?  rfc5575 talks about a "common =
prefix", which is not completely clear either, but it could mean at =
least what is covered by the shortest mask (which would be my guess)...

[minor] "prefix-length" is used here, but "prefix length" is used in =
=C2=A74.2.1.  Please be consistent.

[minor] The "-" confused me a little.  By "For IP prefix values...the =
longer prefix-length" do you mean the value of the prefix length, or the =
length of the prefix field?  rfc5575 talks about "more specific", which =
may be easier to understand in this case...

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673	  For all other component types, unless otherwise specified, the
674	  comparison is performed by comparing the component data as a =
binary
675	  string using the memcmp() function as defined by the ISO C =
standard.
676	  For strings with equal lengths the lowest string (memcmp) has =
higher
677	  precedence.  For strings of different lengths, the common =
prefix is
678	  compared.  If the common prefix is not equal the string with =
the
679	  lowest prefix has higher precedence.  If the common prefix is =
equal,
680	  the longest string is considered to have higher precedence =
than the
681	  shorter one.

[major] Please add a Normative reference for "the memcmp() function as =
defined by the ISO C standard".

[minor] What is the "common prefix"?  Is it the bits that correspond to =
the shorter length?  In this case I think that using "prefix" may be =
confusing.

[minor] If my interpretation is correct, given a common set of rules, =
the longer the Flow Specification the most preferred, right?  Using one =
of the examples in =C2=A74.3, "all packets to 10.1.1/24 from 192/8 and =
port {range [137, 139] or 8080}" would be preferred over "all packets to =
10.1.1/24 from 192/8 and port range [137, 139]"...because when comparing =
the common prefix for the port, the second rule would have the e bit =
set, resulting in a higher prefix, right?

[major] I would like to see some discussion about the management of Flow =
Specifications and their advertisement order from an operational point =
of view.  In the case above, if an operator uses the first rule (only), =
but later decides to allow web traffic and the system advertises the =
second rule, it won't take effect until the first one is withdrawn.  =
This type of operational consideration is not explained in this =
document.

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Ad Major1:
Added a reference to ISO C

Ad Minor1:
I agree that prefix may confuse a little. However, since we decided to =
use python code here we actually have something to run and do testing =
(the pseudo-code was less clear).

Ad Minor 2:
Yes the e bit results in a higher prefix, and since the lower prefix =
wins, the second rule (the one without port 8080) is also #2 after =
sorting.

Ad Major2:
The point on the sorting algorithm is, that the order of the =
announcement is irrelevant to the outcome of the filter. Whenever a new =
filter is received the filters need to be sorted and may then be applied =
to the traffic-flows. See =C2=A75.1 first paragraph.
 =20
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683	  The code below shows a Python3 implementation of the =
comparison
684	  algorithm.  The full code was tested with Python 3.6.3 and can =
be
685	  obtained at https://github.com/stoffi92/flowspec-cmp [1].

[minor] I would prefer to see the code in an Appendix.

[major] We need to include template text about the licensing in the Code =
Component below.  Please take a look at the IETF Trust Legal Provisions =
and add the appropriate text: =
https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.pdf

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687	  <CODE BEGINS>
688	  import itertools
689	  import ipaddress

691	  def flow_rule_cmp(a, b):
692	      for comp_a, comp_b in itertools.zip_longest(a.components,
693	                                             b.components):
694	          # If a component type does not exist in one rule
695	          # this rule has lower precedence
696	          if not comp_a:
697	              return B_HAS_PRECEDENCE
698	          if not comp_b:
699	              return A_HAS_PRECEDENCE

[] What if the component is not in either?  The lines above look like =
the wrong outcome could be obtained.  Disclaimer: I don't know Python...

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...
742	6.  Validation Procedure
...
757	  The concept can be extended, in the case of Flow Specification =
NLRI,
758	  to allow other validation procedures.

[nit] s/of Flow Specification NLRI/of the Flow Specification NLRI

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760	  A Flow Specification NLRI must be validated such that it is
761	  considered feasible if and only if all of the below is true:

[major] There is no Normative language above, but I think there is a =
contradiction of sorts with the new text below ("Rule a) MAY be =
relaxed...").  The introductory text to the rules is "must =
be...considered feasible if and only if all of the below is true", which =
sounds very strict and specific...but then the Normative exception comes =
in ("MAY be relaxed...rules b) and c)...MUST be disregarded") saying =
that it doesn't matter.  Please reword...perhaps something like: "If a =
destination is present...a Flow Specification MUST be validated this =
way...otherwise..."

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(MUST validate). However this MAY be relaxed by configuration.
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763	     a) A destination prefix component is embedded in the Flow
764	     Specification.

766	     b) The originator of the Flow Specification matches the =
originator
767	     of the best-match unicast route for the destination prefix
768	     embedded in the Flow Specification.

[major] What is the "best-match unicast route"?  Please be specific.

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(this is the unicast route with the longest
possible prefix length covering the destination prefix embedded in
the Flow Specification)"
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770	     c) There are no more specific unicast routes, when compared =
with
771	     the flow destination prefix, that has been received from a
772	     different neighboring AS than the best-match unicast route, =
which
773	     has been determined in rule b).

775	  Rule a) MAY be relaxed by configuration, permitting Flow
776	  Specifications that include no destination prefix component.  =
If such
777	  is the case, rules b) and c) are moot and MUST be disregarded.

[major] This action opens the door to all sorts of things.  I note that =
the Security Considerations section simply mentions it without going =
into more details.

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Referenced this issue in the security considerations section.
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779	  By originator of a BGP route, we mean either the BGP =
originator path
780	  attribute, as used by route reflection, or the transport =
address of
781	  the BGP peer, if this path attribute is not present.

[major] s/BGP originator path attribute, as used by route =
reflection/address of the originator in the ORIGINATOR_ID Attribute =
[RFC4456]   The reference to rfc4456 should be Normative.

[minor] rfc4271 doesn't talk about a "transport addresses".  Instead, it =
talks about the "source IP address".  I know it is the same thing, but =
please be consistent.

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783	  BGP implementations MUST also enforce that the AS_PATH =
attribute of a
784	  route received via the External Border Gateway Protocol (eBGP)
785	  contains the neighboring AS in the left-most position of the =
AS_PATH
786	  attribute.  While this rule is optional in the BGP =
specification, it
787	  becomes necessary to enforce it for security reasons.

[major] Is this requirement only for the Flow Specification AFI/SAFI =
pairs, or for all address families (IPv4 in the case of this document)?  =
Why?

[major] [Assuming that the answer to the last question is: "Yes, for all =
AFs"...] Should all the border routers in the AS enforce the first ASN, =
or is the requirement only for routers receiving Flow Specifications?

[major] In the case of receiving Flow Specifications from a neighbor in =
an IXP, it may not be possible to enforce the rule above if a =
"transparent ASN" is being used.  Please include some text/guidance =
about that type of case.  Include it either here or in the Security =
Considerations.

[nit] The mention of security above makes me want to see related =
considerations in =C2=A713/14.

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This paragraph is about all AFI/SAFIs which flow spec can act on so 1/1 =
and 1/128 + of course the flow spec itself 1/133 & 1/134.  That =
recommendation is for all routers in the domain as we must make sure =
that some other AS did not injected more specific unicast route.=20

In the case of IXP indeed this sometime may break in the cases where RS =
is used. If you even in the IX (which is L2 typically) use direct EBGP =
session it all works ok. If you use session to RS and such RS by design =
is transparent in order to not extend the AS_PATH length that enforce =
first AS should be  disabled. I think we could say that use of flow spec =
when peering with RS in IXP env is much less secure as ASN spoofing in =
the AS-PATH can occur. It is advised to apply strict inbound route =
policy in such scenarios.=20
-->

789	  The best-match unicast route may change over the time =
independently
790	  of the Flow Specification NLRI.  Therefore, a revalidation of =
the
791	  Flow Specification NLRI MUST be performed whenever unicast =
routes
792	  change.  Revalidation is defined as retesting that clause a =
and
793	  clause b above are true.

[major] What about the case where a destination prefix is not included?  =
Besides enforcing the first AS, there isn't any verification specified.  =
What are the consideration about using that option?

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Validation fails when no destination-prefix is embedded in the NLRI as =
described in the validation process.
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795	  Explanation:

797	  The underlying concept is that the neighboring AS that =
advertises the
798	  best unicast route for a destination is allowed to advertise =
flow-
799	  spec information that conveys a more or equally specific =
destination
800	  prefix.  Thus, as long as there are no more specific unicast =
routes,
801	  received from a different neighboring AS, which would be =
affected by
802	  that filtering rule.

804	  The neighboring AS is the immediate destination of the traffic
805	  described by the Flow Specification.  If it requests these =
flows to
806	  be dropped, that request can be honored without concern that =
it
807	  represents a denial of service in itself.  Supposedly, the =
traffic is
808	  being dropped by the downstream autonomous system, and there =
is no
809	  added value in carrying the traffic to it.

[major] A rogue router may request the traffic to be dropped.  While the =
local AS is simply reacting to the neighbor's request, the action can =
still result in a DoS.  I would like to see rogue router scenarios =
reflected in the Security Considerations.

[major] All this section seems to assume that flows are controlled =
(dropped/redirected) between ASes...but the actions can also be =
triggered from inside an AS.  What are the considerations in that case?  =
Why isn't iBGP explicitly considered?

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Major1:
Has been addressed by #9

Major2:
In the iBGP case we are basically validating ourselves (see the =
introduction). Compared to iBGP for ipv4 unicast: Our iBGP neighbors or =
RRs are usually part of my own administrative/trust domain. We usually =
care about what we receive from outside our administrative domain (ig. =
eBGP). Furthermore in the iBGP case we do not have any origin AS to =
verify against. However, the rough system case - that you pointed out, =
is now addressed in the security considerations.
-->

811	7.  Traffic Filtering Actions
...
820	  Implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms that map an =
arbitrary BGP
821	  community value (normal or extended) to filtering actions that
822	  require different mappings in different systems in the =
network.  For
823	  instance, providing packets with a worse-than-best-effort, =
per-hop
824	  behavior is a functionality that is likely to be implemented
825	  differently in different systems and for which no standard =
behavior
826	  is currently known.  Rather than attempting to define it here, =
this
827	  can be accomplished by mapping a user-defined community value =
to
828	  platform-/network-specific behavior via user configuration.

[major] While this paragraph sounds technically correct, I think it =
doesn't belong in this document because it (randomly) talks about a =
different, yet tangentially related, topic.  Also, it basically says =
"SHOULD provide a mechanism to take arbitrary actions...which are not =
defined here", so it is not complete from a Normative point of view.  I =
would prefer if we took this paragraph out.

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We need this to keep interoperability but added a new section on =
"Interaction with other Filtering Mechanisms in Routers"
-->

830	  The default action for a traffic filtering Flow Specification =
is to
831	  accept IP traffic that matches that particular rule.

833	  This document defines the following extended communities =
values shown
834	  in Table 2 in the form 0x8xnn where nn indicates the sub-type.
835	  Encodings for these extended communities are described below.

[minor] The "0x8xnn" format doesn't explain what x indicates.  Perhaps =
it would be better for the format to match the IANA section and include, =
for example, 0xttss for type and sub-type...with the corresponding =
change in Table 2.

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837	  =
+-----------+----------------------+--------------------------------+
838	  | community | action               | encoding                  =
     |
839	  =
+-----------+----------------------+--------------------------------+
840	  | 0x8006    | traffic-rate-bytes   | 2-byte ASN, 4-byte float  =
     |
841	  | TBD       | traffic-rate-packets | 2-byte ASN, 4-byte float  =
     |
842	  | 0x8007    | traffic-action       | bitmask                   =
     |
843	  | 0x8008    | rt-redirect AS-2byte | 2-octet AS, 4-octet value =
     |
844	  | 0x8108    | rt-redirect IPv4     | 4-octet IPv4 addres, =
2-octet   |
845	  |           |                      | value                     =
     |
846	  | 0x8208    | rt-redirect AS-4byte | 4-octet AS, 2-octet value =
     |
847	  | 0x8009    | traffic-marking      | DSCP value                =
     |
848	  =
+-----------+----------------------+--------------------------------+

850	              Table 2: Traffic Action Extended Communities

[minor] The Table contains terms that have not been defined...  It would =
be ideal if the Table contained a forward reference to the section where =
each action is discussed....or at least a general statement about the =
details in the upcoming sub-sections...

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852	  Some traffic action communities may interfere with each other.
853	  Section 7.6 of this specification provides general =
considerations on
854	  such traffic action interference.  Any additional definition =
of a
855	  traffic actions specified by additional standards documents or =
vendor
856	  documents MUST specify if the traffic action interacts with an
857	  existing traffic actions, and provide error handling per =
[RFC7606].

[nit] s/definition of a traffic actions/definition of traffic actions

[major] "Any additional definition of a traffic actions specified by =
additional standards documents or vendor documents MUST specify..."  We =
really can't mandate what vendor documents say.   s/additional =
definition of a traffic actions specified by additional standards =
documents or vendor documents MUST specify/additional definition of a =
traffic action MUST specify

[major] "MUST specify if the traffic action interacts with an existing =
traffic actions"  I think you meant something like: "MUST specify the =
action to take if..."

[major] "Any additional definition of a traffic actions...MUST...provide =
error handling per [RFC7606]."  rfc7606 already indicates what to do =
about a malformed Extended Community attribute, which is how other =
actions would presumably be specified.   rfc7606 only mandates error =
specifications for new attributes.  What are your expectations here?

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Major1:
Removed the vendor documents and standard documents as suggested

Major2:
Changed as suggested

Major3:=20
Due to the changes in the "error handling" section this can be removed, =
it seems to sufficiently defined in that other section.
-->

859	  Multiple traffic actions may be present for a single NLRI.  =
The
860	  traffic actions are processed in ascending order of the =
sub-type
861	  found in the BGP Extended Communities.  If not all of them can =
be
862	  processed the filter SHALL NOT be applied at all (for example: =
if for
863	  a given flow there are the action communities rate-limit-bytes =
and
864	  traffic-marking attached, and the plattform does not support =
one of
865	  them also the other shall not be applied for that flow).

[minor] This paragraph is related to =C2=A77.6 (Considerations on =
Traffic Action Interference).  Consider putting all the related =
information together.

[major] "traffic actions are processed in ascending order of the =
sub-type"  Several of the communities have the same sub-type; if more =
than one is present, which one should be processed first?

[major] What should a receiver do if multiple of the same community =
(type and sub-type) are included in the UPDATE?  Would that be also =
considered interference?

[major] What does "processed" mean?  Let me explain... The example is =
about not being able to support an action.  What about not being able to =
apply the action because, for example, the next hop is not reachable?  =
Would that qualify as not being able to "process" the action?  If other =
redirect traffic rules are included (with perhaps an alternate next =
hop), would the answer be different?

[nit] Make the example a sentence on it's own: eliminate the =
parenthesis.

[minor] s/rate-limit-bytes/traffic-rate-bytes (0x8006)

[minor] s/traffic-marking/traffic-marking (0x8009)

[nit] s/plattform/platform

[major] "If not all of them can be processed the filter SHALL NOT be =
applied..."  Should they be forwarded?  Is this an example of =
"interfering flow actions" (=C2=A77.6)?

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major1: The document at some point had very strict rules on traffic =
action interference and needed a strict ordering of traffic actions. =
However, this idea did not find consensus in the WG. Without this the =
ordering of traffic action is irrelevant and thus has been removed.

major2: This is considered an interference and is explained in the =
"interfering flow actions" section.

major3: This was in the document for the same reason as major1. The =
change in #119  makes it consistent with the major implementations and =
gives advice how to treat FS in cases where not all of the actions can =
be applied to the flow.
-->

867	  All traffic actions are specified as transitive BGP Extended
868	  Communities.

870	7.1.  Traffic Rate in Bytes (traffic-rate-bytes) sub-type 0x06
...
888	  Interferes with: No other BGP Flow Specification traffic =
action in
889	  this document.

[minor] The definition of interference (=C2=A77.6) uses "more than one =
conflicting traffic-rate action" as part of it.  So it seems that =
traffic-rate-bytes and traffic-rate-packets may interfere with each =
other.

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891	7.2.  Traffic Rate in Packets (traffic-rate-packets) sub-type =
TBD

[major] Because the "traffic actions are processed in ascending order of =
the sub-type" (=C2=A77), what is the intent for this action?  How should =
IANA assign it?  I assume that the intent might be to process it instead =
of traffic-rate-bytes (assuming only one might be present)...  Please be =
clear in the instructions to IANA (in =C2=A712.3).  Note that Table 7 =
requests the assignment from the "Generic Transitive Experimental Use =
Extended Community Sub-Types" registry, which seems to limit the =
assignment choices.  Having said all that, I would have assumed that =
this action would be a variation of the 0x06 sub-type, but with a =
different type...

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No, this is not either traffic-rate-bytes or traffic-rate-packets a =
router can maintain a counters for bytes/time AND packets/time at the =
same time and thus drop packets that exceed a certain rate (whatever =
limit is exceeded first). The traffic-rate-packets action should be =
assigned alongside the traffic-rate-packets action.=20
-->

...
901	  Interferes with: No other BGP Flow Specification traffic =
action in
902	  this document.

[minor] The definition of interference (=C2=A77.6) uses "more than one =
conflicting traffic-rate action" as part of it.  So it seems that =
traffic-rate-bytes and traffic-rate-packets may interfere with each =
other.

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904	7.3.  Traffic-action (traffic-action) sub-type 0x07

906	  The traffic-action extended community consists of 6 bytes of =
which
907	  only the 2 least significant bits of the 6th byte (from left =
to
908	  right) are currently defined.

910	       40  41  42  43  44  45  46  47
911	      +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
912	      |        reserved       | S | T |
913	      +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

[minor] s/reserved/Traffic Action Fields   It would be nice if the =
Figure showed that all the bits (not just the ones in the last octet) =
are part of the same field.

[nit] Please add a Figure number..

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915	  where S and T are defined as:

917	  o  T: Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the =
traffic
918	     filtering engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules =
(as
919	     defined by the ordering procedure).  If not set, the =
evaluation of
920	     the traffic filter stops when this rule is applied.

[minor] According to the processing order and the values from Table 2, =
not setting the bit would effectively cause only the traffic-rate-bytes =
(0x8006) to ever be applied.  Is that the correct interpretation?

[minor] If the T bit is not set, can a router drop the communities that =
are not going to be applied...or should they all be propagated?

[major] Clearly, a rogue router could unset the bit before =
propagating...

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Minor1:
The terminal action applies to filter rules only, not to the filter =
actions (extended communties). Given we have 3 FS filters that match the =
traffic (they are sorted first):=20
FS1) The first has T=3D0 and a traffic-rate-bytes action
FS2) The second has only a redirect-action
FS3) The third has only a traffic-rate-packets action

Evaluation takes place according to the sorted filters FS1 first, then =
FS2(because of T=3D0 in FS1). However, because FS2 has no T=3D0 set =
evaluation stops here and the resulting action is: traffic-rate-bytes =
and redirect. =20

Minor2:
No it should propagate the communities - I think it is clearer with the =
example above if a packet would not match FS1 but match FS2 only the =
filter for FS2 is applied regardless of FS1 this is only the redirect =
action.

Major1:
Yes, it is addressed in the Sec.considerations section, that community =
screening is needed addtionally to the FS NLRI validation.
-->

922	  o  S: Sample (bit 46): Enables traffic sampling and logging =
for this
923	     Flow Specification.

[major] If the bit is not set, would sampling/logging be disabled?  IOW, =
is this an on/off switch, or is just the on action valid?

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This bit is only effective when set. Updated the document.
-->

925	  o  reserved: should always be set to 0 by the originator and =
not be
926	     evaluated by the receiving BGP speaker.

[major] There is a registry for these bits.  s/reserved/Traffic Action =
Fields

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-->

...
934	  Interferes with: No other BGP Flow Specification traffic =
action in
935	  this document.

[minor] Based on the definition in =C2=A77.6, I would have thought that =
this action, with the T bit unset, would interfere with other actions =
that will now not be applied.

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937	7.4.  RT Redirect (rt-redirect) sub-type 0x08
...
948	  It should be noted that the low-order nibble of the Redirect's =
Type
949	  field corresponds to the Route Target Extended Community =
format field
950	  (Type).  (See Sections 3.1, 3.2, and 4 of [RFC4360] plus =
Section 2 of
951	  [RFC5668].)  The low-order octet (Sub-Type) of the Redirect =
Extended
952	  Community remains 0x08 for all three encodings of the BGP =
Extended
953	  Communities (AS 2-byte, AS 4-byte, and IPv4 address).

[nit] I think that this whole paragraph is not needed....and it actually =
may confuse people.  I recommend deleting it.

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955	  Interferes with: All other redirect functions.

[minor] What other redirect functions?  The only ones defined are in =
this section.

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957	7.5.  Traffic Marking (traffic-marking) sub-type 0x09

959	  The traffic marking extended community instructs a system to =
modify
960	  the DSCP bits of a transiting IP packet to the corresponding =
value.
961	  This extended community is encoded as a sequence of 5 zero =
bytes
962	  followed by the DSCP value encoded in the 6 least significant =
bits of
963	  6th byte.

[major] What action (if any) should a receiver take if the "5 zero =
bytes" are not (all) set to 0?  Maybe include something like: "MUST be =
ignored when received...".

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Updated the document as suggested.=20
-->

965	  Interferes with: No other BGP Flow Specification traffic =
action in
966	  this document.

968	7.6.  Considerations on Traffic Action Interference

970	  Since traffic actions are represented as BGP extended =
community
971	  values, traffic actions may interfere with each other (ie. =
there may
972	  be more than one conflicting traffic-rate action associated =
with a
973	  single flow-filter).  Traffic action interference has no =
impact on
974	  BGP propagation of flow filters (all communities are =
propagated
975	  according to policies).

[nit] s/ie./e.g.   I'm assuming it is an example and not the only case.

[minor] Is "Traffic action interference" only the case when actions =
describe conflicting actions?  For example, different traffic rates.  =
Specifically, are actions that can't be applied (as described on =C2=A77),=
 also considered as interference?

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977	  If a flow filter associated with interfering flow actions is =
selected
978	  for packet forwarding, it is a implementation decision which =
of the
979	  interfering traffic actions are selected.  Implementors of =
this
980	  specification SHOULD document the behaviour of their =
implementation
981	  in such cases.

[major] IOW, deployment of a set of "interfering flow actions" could =
result in inconsistent behavior in the network.  Could a rogue BGP =
speaker advertise (or even add/delete) actions to a Flow Specification =
and cause unexpected results?  I guess that depending on what the action =
is, there could be a significant effect.  I think this is a =
vulnerability that should be called out explicitly.  Thinking a little =
bit more...there are two vulnerabilities: (1) add/delete in the normal =
case (even with consistent behavior), and (2) add/delete to exploit a =
specific behavior of a node in the network.

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The possible inconsistent behaviour within an AS is not so much of an =
problem, because this should be avoided by the operator:
```
If required, operators are encouraged to make use of the BGP policy
   framework supported by their implementation in order to achieve a
   predictable behaviour (ie. match - replace - delete communities on
   administrative boundaries).

```
I think that Security Considerations addresses the fact that in addition =
to the NLRI validation filtering/screening of the flow filtering action =
extended community is needed:
```
This can be avoided
   by proper filtering of action communities at network borders and by
   mapping user-defined communities (see Section 7) to expose certain
   forwarding properties to third parties.
```
-->

983	  If required, operators are encouraged to make use of the BGP =
policy
984	  framework supported by their implementation in order to =
achieve a
985	  predictable behaviour (ie. match - replace - delete =
communities on
986	  administrative boundaries).

[minor] "If required..."  When it is not required?  IOW, I think that =
those two words are not needed.

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988	8.  Dissemination of Traffic Filtering in BGP/MPLS VPN Networks

990	  Provider-based Layer 3 VPN networks, such as the ones using a =
BGP/
991	  MPLS IP VPN [RFC4364] control plane, may have different =
traffic
992	  filtering requirements than Internet service providers.  But =
also
993	  Internet service providers may use those VPNs for scenarios =
like
994	  having the Internet routing table in a VRF, resulting in the =
same
995	  traffic filtering requirements as defined for the global =
routing
996	  table environment within this document.  This document =
proposes an
997	  additional BGP NLRI type (AFI=3D1, SAFI=3D134) value, which =
can be used
998	  to propagate traffic filtering information in a BGP/MPLS VPN
999	  environment.

[nit] s/proposes/defines (or maybe specifies)

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1001	  The NLRI format for this address family consists of a =
fixed-length
1002	  Route Distinguisher field (8 bytes) followed by a Flow =
Specification,
1003	  following the encoding defined above in Section 4.2 of this =
document.
1004	  The NLRI length field shall include both the 8 bytes of the =
Route
1005	  Distinguisher as well as the subsequent Flow Specification.

[minor] s/Flow Specification, following the encoding defined above in =
Section 4.2 of this document./Flow Specification (Section 4.2).

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...
1017	  Propagation of this NLRI is controlled by matching Route =
Target
1018	  extended communities associated with the BGP path =
advertisement with
1019	  the VRF import policy, using the same mechanism as described =
in "BGP/
1020	  MPLS IP VPNs" [RFC4364]..

[nit] s/"BGP/MPLS IP VPNs"/BGP/MPLS IP VPNs

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1022	  Flow Specification rules received via this NLRI apply only to =
traffic
1023	  that belongs to the VRF(s) in which it is imported.  By =
default,
1024	  traffic received from a remote PE is switched via an MPLS =
forwarding
1025	  decision and is not subject to filtering.

1027	  Contrary to the behavior specified for the non-VPN NLRI, flow =
rules
1028	  are accepted by default, when received from remote PE routers.

[major] The only other mention of "flow rule" is in the Introduction =
when referring to the validation of external Flow Specifications, which =
seems to then map to =C2=A76...but the next sub-section says that those =
procedures apply.  What am I missing?

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The term "flow rule" has been changed and Flow Specification is used in =
the entire document. This paragraph also mentions that in an MPLS =
network traffic from other PEs (L3-VPN) receive MPLS traffic and will =
not filter the traffic. Traffic needs to be filtered ingress between =
CE-PE not in the MPLS forwarding domain.
-->

1030	8.1.  Validation Procedures for BGP/MPLS VPNs

1032	  The validation procedures are the same as for IPv4.

1034	8.2.  Traffic Actions Rules

1036	  The traffic action rules are the same as for IPv4.

[nit] These 2 sub-sections could simply be covered by a couple of =
sentences...

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1038	9.  Limitations of Previous Traffic Filtering Efforts

[major] This section reads like a justification...  I think it would be =
a better fit as a subsection of the Introduction.

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1040	9.1.  Limitations in Previous DDoS Traffic Filtering Efforts
...
1052	  Several techniques are currently used to control traffic =
filtering of
1053	  DoS attacks.  Among those, one of the most common is to inject
1054	  unicast route advertisements corresponding to a destination =
prefix
1055	  being attacked (commonly known as remote triggered blackhole =
RTBH).
1056	  One variant of this technique marks such route advertisements =
with a
1057	  community that gets translated into a discard Next-Hop by the
1058	  receiving router.  Other variants attract traffic to a =
particular
1059	  node that serves as a deterministic drop point.

[minor] Please add Informative references to rfc3882, rfc5635, =
rfc7999...

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1103	10.  Traffic Monitoring

1105	  Traffic filtering applications require monitoring and traffic
1106	  statistics facilities.  While this is an =
implementation-specific
1107	  choice, implementations SHOULD provide:

1109	  o  A mechanism to log the packet header of filtered traffic.

1111	  o  A mechanism to count the number of matches for a given flow
1112	     specification rule.

[minor] Is there any relationship between this section and the S bit in =
=C2=A77.3?

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1114	11.  Error-Handling and Future NLRI Extensions

[major] Suggestion: this section should be limited to describing what a =
malformed traffic action extended community is, and then simply point to =
rfc7606, which already covers the rest.  See more comments below.

[nit] The two topics covered here seem unrelated...

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Future extensions Sections. The change also makes it clear that what a =
malformed Traffic Action community is and how a unknown FS component =
should be treated.=20
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1116	  In case BGP encounters an error in a Flow Specification UPDATE
1117	  message it SHOULD treat this message as Treat-as-withdraw =
according
1118	  to [RFC7606] Section 2.

[major] The SHOULD above with the communities-related errors described =
below are in conflict with rfc7606, which says this: "An UPDATE message =
with a malformed Extended Community attribute SHALL be handled using the =
approach of "treat-as-withdraw"."

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#90, #91, #92 have been addressed by splitting the Error handling and =
Future extensions Sections. The change also makes it clear that what a =
malformed Traffic Action community is and how a unknown FS component =
should be treated.=20
-->

1120	  Possible reasons for an error are (for more reasons see also
1121	  [RFC7606]):

1123	  o  Incorrect implementation of this specification - the =
encoding/
1124	     decoding of the NLRI or traffic action extended-communities =
do not
1125	     comply with this specification.

[major] Related to the NLRI, rfc7606 says that "in order to use the =
approach of "treat-as-withdraw", the entire NLRI field and/or the =
MP_REACH_NLRI and MP_UNREACH_NLRI attributes need to be successfully =
parsed...  If this is not possible...that the "session reset" approach =
(or the "AFI/SAFI disable" approach) MUST be followed."

[major] For the Extended Communities...  The "incorrect implementation" =
basically means that the encoding is wrong, right?  But is the part =
about "comply with this specification" necessary?  Other traffic action =
extended communities (defined elsewhere) might be received.  I would =
rather if the text above talked about malformed (to match the language =
in rfc7606) traffic action extended communities in general (not just the =
ones in this specification).

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Future extensions Sections. The change also makes it clear that what a =
malformed Traffic Action community is and how a unknown FS component =
should be treated.=20
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1127	  o  Unknown Flow Specification extensions - The sending party =
has
1128	     implemented a Flow Specification NLRI extension unknown to =
the
1129	     receiving party.

[major] This treatment of unknown extensions is in conflict with the =
text in =C2=A74.2: "If a given component type within a prefix in =
unknown, the prefix in question cannot be used for traffic filtering =
purposes by the receiver... However, for the purposes of BGP route =
propagation, this prefix should still be transmitted since BGP route =
distribution is independent on NLRI semantics."  IOW, =
"treat-as-withdraw" is not compatible with forwarding UPDATES.

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You are completely right, this seems to be a remain from days where we =
expected FS to be opaque to BGP. This has been solved with #20.
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1131	  In order to facilitate future extensions of the Flow =
Specification
1132	  NLRI, such extensions SHOULD specify a way to encode a =
"always-true"
1133	  match condition within the newly introduced components..  This =
match
1134	  condition can be used to propagate (and apply) certain filters =
only
1135	  if a specific extension is known to the implemenation.

[nit] s/a "always-true"/an "always-true"

[minor] What does "always-true" mean?

[major] How come this document doesn't follow the advice about the =
"always-true" match condition?

[nit] s/implemenation/implementation

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spec only by the extensions, but it can be achieved in multiple ways =
even with this (the most obvious to mention: match ip protocol <=3D 0)=20=

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1141	12.1.  AFI/SAFI Definitions

1143	  IANA maintains a registry entitled "SAFI Values".  For the =
purpose of
1144	  this work, IANA updated the registry and allocated two =
additional
1145	  SAFIs:

[nit] Even though the text will probably end up as written, it doesn't =
ask IANA for anything: it assumes that the work is done.  I would prefer =
it if the text was worded as a request.  It may not be an issue for =
IANA, so there's no need to change anything, unless they say so.

1147	  =
+-------+------------------------------------------+----------------+
1148	  | Value | Name                                     | Reference =
     |
1149	  =
+-------+------------------------------------------+----------------+
1150	  | 133   | IPv4 dissemination of Flow Specification | [this     =
     |
1151	  |       | rules                                    | document] =
     |
1152	  | 134   | VPNv4 dissemination of Flow              | [this     =
     |
1153	  |       | Specification rules                      | document] =
     |
1154	  =
+-------+------------------------------------------+----------------+

[major] It's not clear to me (because there's no explicit request) if =
the intent is to add this document as a reference, or to replace the one =
to rfc5575.  I would like you to be explicit.

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1156	                     Table 3: Registry: SAFI Values

1158	12.2.  Flow Component Definitions
...
1184	  In order to manage the limited number space and accommodate =
several
1185	  usages, the following policies defined by [RFC8126] used:

[nit] s/[RFC8126] used/[RFC8126] are used

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1187	            +--------------+-------------------------------+
1188	            | Range        | Policy                        |
1189	            +--------------+-------------------------------+
1190	            | 0            | Invalid value                 |
1191	            | [1 .. 12]    | Defined by this specification |
1192	            | [13 .. 127]  | Specification required        |
1193	            | [128 .. 255] | First Come First Served       |
1194	            +--------------+-------------------------------+

[major] 0 is not really a range...and it's Invalid, so it shouldn't be =
part of the Table detailing the registration policies.  BTW, I couldn't =
find the text where 0 is declared Invalid -- please add some text to =
=C2=A74.2.  Move 0 to Table 4.

[minor] Besides the fact that "Defined by this specification" is not a =
Policy, this table doesn't change anything in the current registry; it =
is not needed.

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Remove the invalid value. Furthermore the IANA considerations section =
has been modified to address all the issues. However we agreed not to =
change the registry names with this document.=20
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1196	               Table 5: Flow Spec Component Types Policies

1198	  The specification of a particular "Flow Spec Component Type" =
must
1199	  clearly identify what the criteria used to match packets =
forwarded by
1200	  the router is.  This criteria should be meaningful across =
router hops
1201	  and not depend on values that change hop-by-hop such as TTL or =
Layer
1202	  2 encapsulation.

[minor] This paragraph doesn't belong in the IANA section.  It seems to =
be laying out the groundwork for new components...so it belongs =
somewhere else.  Should any of the language be Normative?

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1204	12.3.  Extended Community Flow Specification Actions

1206	  The Extended Community Flow Specification Action types defined =
in
1207	  this document consist of two parts:

1209	     Type (BGP Transitive Extended Community Type)

1211	     Sub-Type

1213	  For the type-part, IANA maintains a registry entitled "BGP =
Transitive
1214	  Extended Community Types".  For the purpose of this work =
(Section 7),
1215	  IANA updated the registry to contain the values listed below:

[major] The range is defined in the registry as "0x80-0x8f 	Reserved =
for Experimental Use".  According to rfc8126, "IANA does not record =
assignments from registries or ranges with this policy".

I don't know why 0x80 was the first value chosen; it looks like it was =
first used in draft-marques-idr-flow-spec-01 (2004), while the =
corresponding Extended Communities draft =
(draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-communities-07) already indicated that the range =
was for Experimental Use.  I guess just lack of sync...  But then I also =
don't understand how/why IANA ended up with the information in the =
Registry....maybe because the sub-types are not for Experimental Use -- =
hmmm, which sounds contradictory to me.

The reason/history doesn't matter anymore, but the current use does.  =
The mechanism described in this document is clearly not experimental.  =
Given that changing the Type values is not an option because of the =
deployed base, etc.., then I think we should clean up the Registry and =
move 0x80-0x82 from the Experimental Use range to the FCFS range.  This =
change would mean an Update to rfc7153.

To simplify the process, the Update can be done in this document.  =
However, I think that there's some confusion with these types apparently =
being associated only with Flow Specifications, when they are labeled as =
Generic.  IOW, ideally the issue would be corrected independently...

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This is not to be solved within this document. I note that I should =
propose a update to RFC7153 to cleanup the registry independently. - As =
noticed moving the values around is not an option.
-->

1217	  =
+-------+-----------------------------------------------+-----------+
1218	  | Type  | Name                                          | =
Reference |
1219	  | Value |                                               |      =
     |
1220	  =
+-------+-----------------------------------------------+-----------+
1221	  | 0x80  | Generic Transitive Experimental Use Extended  | =
[RFC7153] |
1222	  |       | Community (Sub-Types are defined in the       |      =
     |
1223	  |       | "Generic Transitive Experimental Use Extended |      =
     |
1224	  |       | Community Sub-Types" registry)                |      =
     |
1225	  | 0x81  | Generic Transitive Experimental Use Extended  | =
[this     |
1226	  |       | Community Part 2 (Sub-Types are defined in    | =
document] |
1227	  |       | the "Generic Transitive Experimental Use      | [See =
     |
1228	  |       | Extended Community Part 2 Sub-Types"          | =
Note-1]   |
1229	  |       | Registry)                                     |      =
     |
1230	  | 0x82  | Generic Transitive Experimental Use Extended  | =
[this     |
1231	  |       | Community Part 3 (Sub-Types are defined in    | =
document] |
1232	  |       | the "Generic Transitive Experimental Use      | [See =
     |
1233	  |       | Extended Community Part 3 Sub-Types"          | =
Note-1]   |
1234	  |       | Registry)                                     |      =
     |
1235	  =
+-------+-----------------------------------------------+-----------+

1237	     Table 6: Registry: Generic Transitive Experimental Use =
Extended
1238	                             Community Types

[major] In line with Updating the registry and the intent, the names of =
the Types/Registries should not include the word "experimental" to avoid =
any further confusion.

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1240	  Note-1: This document obsoletes RFC7674.

[minor] Putting the reference to this note in the Table seems to be =
asking IANA to add a note there too...which I would think is not the =
case.  This goes back to the intent of whether the reference to this =
document should replace what is there or simply be added.

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1292	  The "traffic-action" extended community (Section 7.3) defined =
in this
1293	  document has 46 unused bits, which can be used to convey =
additional
1294	  meaning.  IANA created and maintains a new registry entitled:
1295	  "Traffic Action Fields".  These values should be assigned via =
IETF
1296	  Review rules only.  The following traffic-action fields have =
been
1297	  allocated:

[major] It needs to be mentioned somewhere that the reference for the =
whole registry (not just the values below) should be moved to this =
document.

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-->

...
1308	13.  Security Considerations

1310	  Inter-provider routing is based on a web of trust.  =
Neighboring
1311	  autonomous systems are trusted to advertise valid reachability
1312	  information.  If this trust model is violated, a neighboring
1313	  autonomous system may cause a denial-of-service attack by =
advertising
1314	  reachability information for a given prefix for which it does =
not
1315	  provide service.

[major] References to Origin Validation (rfc6811) and BGPSec (rfc8205) =
should be mentioned as possible mitigation...with maybe a comment about =
the current deployment status.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #103: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/103
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https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/96ed1025fbf4dc22debd33bceb9f=
416212855ae5

Added those references
-->

1317	  As long as traffic filtering rules are restricted to match the
1318	  corresponding unicast routing paths for the relevant prefixes, =
the
1319	  security characteristics of this proposal are equivalent to =
the
1320	  existing security properties of BGP unicast routing.  However, =
this
1321	  document also specifies traffic filtering actions that may =
need
1322	  custom additional verification on the receiver side.  See =
Section 14.

[major] In general, Flow Specifications have a one-AS-hop propagation =
model, right?  This means that the security properties are different =
because (1) unicast routing propagates multiple hops, and (2) the intent =
of the "Route Origin ASN" (rfc6811) is not reflected in the request to =
rate-limit, or even drop (!) traffic to a destination.  Yes, it is all =
based on trust...but different.  For example, Origin Validation wouldn't =
be available for Flow Specifications.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #104: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/104

FS is never of one-AS-hop propagation model.
To the very question of the Origin Validation it is all integrated by =
original design. That means that if I must validate received FS routes =
against unicast prefix and that unicast prefix was already Origin =
Validated that implies that FS is also Origin Validated without adding =
any new ROAs. The problem starts when validation is getting disabled as =
this has avalanche effect for entire security model.
-->

1324	  Where it is not the case, this would open the door to further =
denial-
1325	  of-service attacks.

[major] Like what?  What are possible mitigations?  Just saying that the =
door is open is not enough.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #105: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/105
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/6ac9e480f9c8fa4865e5c7271b58=
3a5be4fd129b

... such as unwanted traffic filtering, remarking or redirection. Edited =
document accordingly
-->

...
1337	14.  Operational Security Considerations

[minor] If you ask me, this section should be rolled into the last one: =
I think all the considerations (in both sections) are really =
operational...

<-- *** Authors ***
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https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/106
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https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/59f663b6b36ca22f3ff6a818f1a5=
8287037373e1
-->

1339	  While the general verification of the traffic filter NLRI is
1340	  specified in this document (Section 6) the traffic filtering =
actions
1341	  received by a third party may need custom verification or =
filtering.
1342	  In particular all non traffic-rate actions may allow a third =
party to
1343	  modify packet forwarding properties and potentially gain =
access to
1344	  other routing-tables/VPNs or undesired queues.  This can be =
avoided
1345	  by proper filtering of action communities at network borders =
and by
1346	  mapping user-defined communities (see Section 7) to expose =
certain
1347	  forwarding properties to third parties.

[minor] I didn't get this last part...  I understand filtering, but =
didn't quite understand how the mapping of communities would help.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #107: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/107
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/9a0b71856eaf5c53d81766998062=
69aadcf0390e
-->

1349	  Since verfication of the traffic filtering NLRI is tied to the
1350	  announcement of the best unicast route, a unfiltered address =
space
1351	  hijack (e.g. advertisement of a more specific route) may cause =
this
1352	  verification to fail and consequently prevent Flow =
Specification
1353	  filters from being accepted by a peer.

[nit] s/verfication/verification

[nit] s/a unfiltered/an unfiltered

[minor] Again, mention Origin Validation as possible mitigation.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #108: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/108
Related issue mentioned: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/106
-->

1355	15.  Original authors

1357	  Barry Greene, Pedro Marques, Jared Mauch, Danny McPherson, and
1358	  Nischal Sheth were authors on RFC5575, and therefore are =
contributing
1359	  authors on this document.

[minor] To be in line with rfc7322, this section should be renamed to =
"Contributors".

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #109: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/109
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/7c98253a73b430ff78917114f70f=
1d0ad16f0852
-->

1361	16.  Acknowledgements
...
1370	  A packet rate flowspec action was also discribed in a flowspec
1371	  extention draft and the authors like to thank Wesley Eddy, =
Justin
1372	  Dailey and Gilbert Clark for their work.

[nit] This is the first time that "flowspec" is used.  Not a bad =
thing...just an observation that we went through the whole document =
without using the colloquial name flowspec.

[nit] s/discribed/described

[nit] s/extention/extension

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #110: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/110
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/0e7c49c736128f030315487bef1f=
ed4b1b91e8a2
-->

1374	  Additional the authors would like to thank Alexander =
Mayrhofer,
1375	  Nicolas Fevrier, Job Snijders, Jeffrey Haas and Adam Chappell =
for
1376	  their comments and review.

[nit] s/Additional/Additionally,

<-- *** Authors ***
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https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/111
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https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/a2309120ed55ae39408213a18443=
91b7d5de3e01
-->

1378	17.  References

1380	17.1.  Normative References

1382	  [IEEE.754.1985]
1383	             IEEE, "Standard for Binary Floating-Point =
Arithmetic",
1384	             IEEE 754-1985, August 1985.

[minor] IEEE has revised this spec twice, the most current revision was =
published earlier this year.  Should the reference to the 1985 version =
be kept?  Is there a reason not to point generically to IEEE 754, =
instead of to a specific version?

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #112: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/112
-->

...
1419	  [RFC5668]  Rekhter, Y., Sangli, S., and D. Tappan, "4-Octet AS
1420	             Specific BGP Extended Community", RFC 5668,
1421	             DOI 10.17487/RFC5668, October 2009,
1422	             <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5668>.

[minor] I don't think this needs to be a Normative reference.

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #113: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/113
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/b8b903c42e3751b4fdd49f23f954=
f92d8a5b84f2
-->

...
1458	Appendix A.  Comparison with RFC 5575
...
1464	     Section 1 introduces the Flow Specification NLRI.  In =
RFC5575 this
1465	     NLRI was defined as an opaque-key in BGPs database.  This
1466	     specification has removed all references to a opaque-key =
property.
1467	     BGP is able understand the NLRI encoding.  This change also
1468	     resulted in a new section regarding error-handling and
1469	     extensibility (Section 11).

[nit] s/able understand/able to understand

<-- *** Authors ***
Tracked via issue #114: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/issues/114
Commit mention: =
https://github.com/stoffi92/rfc5575bis/commit/37d55a470b3258fb2bb7bc4471b4=
eddaaa7f16b5
-->


  =20

--=20
Christoph Loibl
c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at



> On 10.09.2019, at 18:09, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Dear authors:
>=20
> I just finished reading this document.  Thank you for the work in =
clarifying and updating rfc5575!  Many of my comments (see below) are =
related to what I think is still missing clarity, or lack of it in some =
of the new text.
>=20
> Besides the specific comments, I have some larger issues that I want =
to detail here.  The first 2 are directed at the Shepherd and Chairs.
>=20
> (A) IPR
>=20
> The Shepherd report, the datatracker and the WGLC thread [1] all point =
at no existing IPR.  However, several declarations do exist...for =
rfc5575 [2].  IMO, the changes between rfc5575 and this document are not =
that significant to assume that the declarations don't apply..  I also =
note that none of the original authors mentioned as "contributing =
authors" (=C2=A715) replied to the IPR call during the WGLC..
>=20
> Jie: As Shepherd, can you please file a third-party disclosure [3] =
pointing at the rfc5575 disclosures?  Once that is done I will send a =
message to the WG to consider the information -- I don't expect any =
issues, but it has to be done. I'll need you to also update the Shepherd =
writeup.  Thanks!
>=20
>=20
> (B) Support for IPv6
>=20
> I understand why this document only focuses on IPv4.  While the text =
points at draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6, that draft has been expired for =
over a year!  What is the plan to move that work forward?  It looks like =
there may already be implementations in place [4].
>=20
> We all know this question will come up during IESG Evaluation, =
specially in light of the IAB Statement on IPv6 [5] and the fact that =
there was a related DISCUSS when rfc5575 was first processed [6] -- at =
that time (2009!) the objection was cleared with the promise that an =
IPv6 document would be forthcoming.
>=20
> We should have a plan in place by the time this document makes it to =
the IESG Telechat.  It would have been ideal to publish both at the same =
time, but I'll settle for the ability to (at least) point at the WGLC =
(which has been brought up before [7]).
>=20
>=20
> (C) IANA Considerations
>=20
> (C1) traffic-rate-packets
>=20
> The instructions to IANA for the assignment of the =
traffic-rate-packets sub-type are not clear.  The existing assignments =
and the requirement that "traffic actions are processed in ascending =
order of the sub-type" (=C2=A77) seem to imply that a specific order for =
this new action may be intended.  Unless explicitly instructed, IANA may =
not assign a value that aligns with that intent.  [See related comments =
in =C2=A77.2.]
>=20
> (C2) Experimental Use Ranges
>=20
> This document uses ranges from the "BGP Transitive Extended Community =
Types" registry which are reserved for Experimental Use.  While the =
history of this use is not clear, we should take the opportunity to =
clean the registry.  [See more in =C2=A712.3.]
>=20
>=20
> (D) Document organization
>=20
> This document kept most of the Introduction text, but then added =
related and, in some cases, overlapping and redundant text in =C2=A75 =
(not =C2=A75.1) and =C2=A79.  Please combine the information from =C2=A71 =
and =C2=A75, and the background from =C2=A79 into an updated =
Introduction.  =C2=A76 seems to belong right after the definition of the =
NLRI (=C2=A74), and before the next part of the specification =
(filtering) starts with =C2=A75.1, then =C2=A77...
>=20
> Most of the old text is about justification, some from the specific =
point of view of the then-authors.  Please reconsider whether that still =
applies.
>=20
>=20
> I will wait for the major issues/comments to be addressed before =
starting the IETF Last Call.
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Alvaro.
>=20
>=20
> [1] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0WQW0pdqq1ae31GYZ7-dk3_Wqv8
> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?rfc=3D5575&submit=3Drfc
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/new-third-party/
> [4] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/VH0mYVgT39ueJapb0axMgfgcAN8
> [5] https://www.iab.org/2016/11/07/iab-statement-on-ipv6/
> [6] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5575/history/
> [7] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0J6gWHgBx33u8WpTa0B73mI6rIM
>=20
>=20


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP BFD Strict-Mode
        Authors         : Mercia Zheng
                          Acee Lindem
                          Jeffrey Haas
                          Albert Fu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bfd-strict-mode-02.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2019-11-04

Abstract:
   This document specifies extensions to RFC4271 BGP-4 that enable a BGP
   speaker to negotiate additional Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
   (BFD) extensions using a BGP capability.  This BFD capability enables
   a BGP speaker to prevent a BGP session from being established until a
   BFD session is established.  It is referred to as BGP BFD "strict-
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   speaker and its remote peer are BFD strict-mode capable.


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Sue,

On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Susan Hares wrote:
> The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt  was
> inconclusive.  
> 
> We had clear support, but just not enough response. 
> This lack of response was probably due to my errors in posting the 
> name of the draft (pardon my error Adrian) [Blush..] 

[...]

> Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the 
> BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.  

I support adoption and propose simultaneous WGLC.

The document is straight forward and needed work.

-- Jeff


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On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 03:31:58AM +0000, Job Snijders wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> It appears we now could use some running code that treats AS_SET and
> AS_CONFED_SET as withdraw, or at least provides a
> button/flag/knob/policy language hook to make it so!

Hi

Just added a patch [*] to BIRD to optionally reject AS_SETs (and AS_CONFED_SETs).

One thing that is not discussed in the draft is handling of AS_SETs in AS4_PATH.
It would make sense to also do treat-as-withdraw, but handling of inappropriate
AS_CONFED_* segments is already different in AS_PATH and AS4_PATH.

[*] https://gitlab.labs.nic.cz/labs/bird/commit/a52476c9be41e8d33e4a22e3dc733240ce791b42

-- 
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Sriram,

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 03:45:06AM +0000, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote:
> Agree with you except we need to have “MUST NOT” for 
> locally generated (initiated) updates with AS_SET. 
> And it is “SHOULD NOT” for receipt and forwarding as you suggest.
> 
> I have tweaked the text (per your suggestion for the most part) 
> in the updated -02 draft as follows: 
> 
>    “This document deprecates the AS_SET (type 1) AS_PATH segment type
>    from [RFC4271].  BGP speakers conforming to this document (i.e.,
>    conformant BGP speakers) MUST NOT locally generate BGP UPDATE
>    messages containing AS_SET.  Conformant BGP speakers SHOULD NOT send
>    BGP UPDATE messages containing AS_SET.  Upon receipt of such
>    messages, conformant BGP speakers SHOULD use the "Treat-as-withdraw"
>    error handling behavior as per [RFC7606].”

It will be interesting to see how the unruly mob who's demanding this draft
treats the small amount of room this wording gives such a "deprecation".
"SHOULD NOT" means "does occasionally".


> > The implications:
> > - You have to provide an entire revised section 9.1.4 for RFC 4271.
> 
> This is no longer relevant given my response above.
> However, section 9.1.4 says (in the last paragraph):
>    “If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD either include
>    all ASes used to form the aggregate in an AS_SET, or add the
>    ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.”
> We could recommend changing it to:
>    “If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD 
>    add the ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.”

Minimally, that's necessary.

I think we'll find that makes things more annoying than set elements at some
point down the line.  The motivation to remove sets is that origin
validation gets difficult/impossible.  You'll find most implementations
don't have a way to test for atomic aggregate in policy at all.

Why would you care?  AA says "never deaggregate".  At some place in the
network, a given prefix may be encountered with and without AA set.  In one
of these cases, it used to be the case that the path was shortened from a
calculated standpoint (this is a side effect of proxy aggregation - as-sets
are length one for the whole set).  And now they're differently comparable.

This is an edge case.  But once this thing ships as an RFC, I'll set a timer
for the incoming request for a knob to deal with its consequences.

> > 
> > Misc. open issue:
> > - What do you do about "atomic aggregate?"
> > - You're also deprecating appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271
> > - You're modifying recommendations for appendix F.4 of RFC 4271.
> > 
> 
> I think we don’t need to change anything about ATOMIC_AGGREGATE
> for the purpose of this document.

I'll wait on others to comment here.  It's been my observation over nigh 20
years of BGP that even the inventor of the feature didn't fully understand
what it did.  And now, courtesy of removing sets, it'll be more mandated
than before.

> Yes, we can say “deprecate appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271”.  
> We can say the same about F.4 “deprecate appendix  F.4 of RFC 4271”.  
> F.4 is no longer relevant when AS_SET is deprecated.
> 
> However, I think rather than get specific about such instances, 
> it better to have an overarching statement. So, the draft now includes
> this statement in Section 4:
> 
>    “Wherever mentions of AS_SET or AS_CONFED_SET occur in [RFC4271] and
>    [RFC5065], appropriate modification or elimination of the text must
>    be made in future RFCs that would replace these RFCs, consistent with
>    the deprecation of AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET.”

You're making an intrustive change to RFC 4271.  Handwaving details and
leaving them up to generally clueless implementors to intuit was is meant
here is not something we should ship.

For my part, I'll strongly suggest to the chairs that we do not pass this
document through WGLC without this dealt with.  Too many of us spent too
many cycles on RFC 4271 and the consequences of sloppy wording thereafter
not to do so.

[impacts of proxy aggregation]
> Regarding your question “How do you do this”, here is my two cents worth.
> I think if AS X is aggregating (without using AS_SET) P1/24 (from cust. A), 
> P2/24 (from cust. B), P3/24 (from cust. C)  and P4/24 (from cust. D) to P/22,
> then AS X will announce the P/22 aggregate to its transits and later peers
> (while including ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute in the aggregate update),

Implication for RPKI, it is the originating AS and is permitted in the ROA
to originate such a shortened route.

> but not to the customers. 

To do so, configuration related to the aggregation now must be pushed to the
ASBR connections of the component routes.

Previously, the set would obviate the need for this.

You've changed the required operational model of such aggregation.  

> AS X will announce to each of the four customers,
> only the more specific prefixes contributed by the other three customers. 

This point is correct, and should be documented, because it interacts with
the operational model change above. 

We didn't have to filter the less specific to the providers, but we do now.
That is likely to be a prefix filter.  We need to ensure that the more
specifics get propagated.  That prefix filter has to be correctly specified
vs. the filter on the less specific.  (I.e. don't just reject >= /22 to the
peers!)

> In addition, RFC 4271 (sec. 9.1.4) says the following for all other ASes
> (transits, peers, customers of peer, etc.) that receive the aggregate:  
>  “In particular, a route that carries the
>    ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute MUST NOT be de-aggregated.”  
> 
> I don’t think we need to put text in the document regarding the above
> since it seems to be adequately covered in RFC 4271. Your take?

You also now have the fun of what happens when the route gets around to the
back door of such an aggregated service provider.

Simplified example:

   Internet --- Aggregating --- Customer
      |                            |
      +----------------------------+

The customer announces P1/24.

Aggregating upstream, that peers with customer, generates P1/22, a less
specific of the more specific P1/24.  It announces it upstream to the
Internet, and suppresses P1/24.

The customer at some point receives P1/22.  This covers their internal
address space of P1/24.

Previously, when AS_SETs were used, P1/22 would have been dropped by the
Customer automatically as a loop.  This no longer happens.

It is a BCP that providers should filter routes that cover their address
space.  Filtering out P1/24 and longer is easy.  What do they do about
P1/22?  What filtering construct says "this overlaps my /24?"  You've
created a new policy need, I think. *

If the internal P1/24 reachability goes away, we may end up in temporary
forwarding loops until the Internet converges.  (Internal traffic heads
toward the Internet via the /22 to eventually arrive back through the
Aggregating ISP.)  Alternatively we end up with some new need to filter
outbound traffic for routes we know we announce.

-- Jeff

* There's a chance I'm missing the obvious here.  Generally, my customers
are more clever about using our policy than I am. :-)


> 
> Sriram
> 


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Ondrej,

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:27:52PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 03:31:58AM +0000, Job Snijders wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > It appears we now could use some running code that treats AS_SET and
> > AS_CONFED_SET as withdraw, or at least provides a
> > button/flag/knob/policy language hook to make it so!
> 
> Hi
> 
> Just added a patch [*] to BIRD to optionally reject AS_SETs (and AS_CONFED_SETs).
> 
> One thing that is not discussed in the draft is handling of AS_SETs in AS4_PATH.
> It would make sense to also do treat-as-withdraw, but handling of inappropriate
> AS_CONFED_* segments is already different in AS_PATH and AS4_PATH.

This is a very good point.  The related normative updates vs. RFC 4893 are
now required.

This gets to be an intresting bit of code verification since it means that
some implementations may have stripped the 2-byte version of sets and the
4-byte stuff is still present in the AS4_PATH.

Then again, the spec was always incomplete with all of the crazy edge cases
that could happen.

-- Jeff


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> I support adoption and propose simultaneous WGLC.
>=20
> The document is straight forward and needed work.

+1
There are times when we should be able to "just get it done".
This is one such time.

   Les


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> Sue,
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> On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Susan Hares wrote:
> > The adoption call for  draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt  was
> > inconclusive.
> >
> > We had clear support, but just not enough response.
> > This lack of response was probably due to my errors in posting the
> > name of the draft (pardon my error Adrian) [Blush..]
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> [...]
>=20
> > Please read this draft and consider if the changes for the
> > BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS parameter assignments.
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> I support adoption and propose simultaneous WGLC.
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> The document is straight forward and needed work.
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> It is a BCP that providers should filter routes that cover their address
> space.  Filtering out P1/24 and longer is easy.  What do they do about
> P1/22?  What filtering construct says "this overlaps my /24?"  You've
> created a new policy need, I think. *

Which BCP is that?  It is quite common that a provider announces their
assigned aggregate and multi-homed customers announce the prefixes
assigned to them from that aggregate.  Perhaps I am mis-understanding
you.


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On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 11:06:15PM +0000, john heasley wrote:
> > It is a BCP that providers should filter routes that cover their address
> > space.  Filtering out P1/24 and longer is easy.  What do they do about
> > P1/22?  What filtering construct says "this overlaps my /24?"  You've
> > created a new policy need, I think. *
> 
> Which BCP is that?  It is quite common that a provider announces their
> assigned aggregate and multi-homed customers announce the prefixes
> assigned to them from that aggregate.  Perhaps I am mis-understanding
> you.

The dangerous of using acronyms.

My meaning was that it's a best common practice in the operational sense,
not that someone wrote and RFC that has received that capital letter
blessing.

If you network is a more specific in that aggregate, what policy construct
are you using to detect that your prefix is being covered in a less specific?

-- Jeff


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Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 02:49:17PM -0500, Jeffrey Haas:
> My meaning was that it's a best common practice in the operational sense,
> not that someone wrote and RFC that has received that capital letter
> blessing.

IETF BCP or otherwise :)

> If you network is a more specific in that aggregate, what policy construct
> are you using to detect that your prefix is being covered in a less specific?

All one can reasonably do is verify the origin of the shorter aggregate in
the DMZ or, preferrably, origin validation.  Am I missing something?


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Hi all,

The idr draft agenda is posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106=
/materials/agenda-106-idr-00

Please check and let us know if there is anything missing or incorrect.

As we have a quite full agenda this time, we'd like to remind the presenter=
s that the time allocated for each topic includes the time for Q&A, please =
take this into consideration when preparing your slides. Thanks.

Best regards,
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Haibo,

On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on Dest-IP-Origin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, this prosess can be reused.

>From a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.

Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.  It functions on
the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to FIB.

What this feature implies is something roughly like:
Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.
dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:
- communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)
- trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.  Violates pipelining in many
  architectures.
- Have the entire FIB's dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall,
  implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.

-- Jeff


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Hi Jeffrey,

	Flowspec is designed for security protection, but current usage is not lim=
ited to security protection,=20
    but also to optimize traffic. Using Flowspec to optimize traffic is saf=
er and more reliable than send routes to router.

    Our scenario here is for optimize traffic. The actions here are all per=
formed on the routers. You need to perform a FIB lookup to get dest-as.

    This does violate some of the current rules and introduces a certain pe=
rformance penalty,
    but it can reduce the demand for Flowspec entry space, so you can use t=
his rule in the appropriate scenario.

Regards,=20
Haibo

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To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow Specificati=
on

Haibo,

On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on Dest-IP-Or=
igin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, this prosess c=
an be reused.

>From a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.

Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.  It functions on =
the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to FIB.

What this feature implies is something roughly like:
Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.
dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:
- communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)
- trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.  Violates pipelining in many
  architectures.
- Have the entire FIB's dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall,
  implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.

-- Jeff


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Haibo,

Thanks for the expected clarification.

To the chairs, as noted below the feature violates some fundamentals of =
flowspec architecture.  I'd strongly object to the feature being adopted =
without a new SAFI to get it out of the existing flowspec use cases.

-- Jeff


> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) =
<rainsword.wang@huawei.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Jeffrey,
>=20
> 	Flowspec is designed for security protection, but current usage =
is not limited to security protection,=20
>    but also to optimize traffic. Using Flowspec to optimize traffic is =
safer and more reliable than send routes to router.
>=20
>    Our scenario here is for optimize traffic. The actions here are all =
performed on the routers. You need to perform a FIB lookup to get =
dest-as.
>=20
>    This does violate some of the current rules and introduces a =
certain performance penalty,
>    but it can reduce the demand for Flowspec entry space, so you can =
use this rule in the appropriate scenario.
>=20
> Regards,=20
> Haibo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]=20
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 1:38 AM
> To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
> Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn; =
Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow =
Specification
>=20
> Haibo,
>=20
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
>> PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on =
Dest-IP-Origin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, =
this prosess can be reused.
>=20
>> =46rom a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.
>=20
> Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.  It =
functions on the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to =
FIB.
>=20
> What this feature implies is something roughly like:
> Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.
> dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:
> - communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)
> - trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.  Violates pipelining in =
many
>  architectures.
> - Have the entire FIB's dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall,
>  implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.
>=20
> -- Jeff


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Alejandro,=0A=
Sander,=0A=
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[Alejandro]=0A=
>>As a comment, we did a small research and =0A=
>>these are our findings (hope the table shows ok):=0A=
>>.....snip.....=0A=
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[Sander]=0A=
>Those numbers are very manageable. If we gather a couple =0A=
>of volunteers we could personally contact each AS.=0A=
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Thanks for the measurement numbers and your comments.=0A=
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We had earlier reported similar numbers (totals across all RIR regions)=0A=
with many more details:=0A=
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tE8o0HZeLLUEulMkszVBlxqILeU=0A=
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The link to our detailed data is here:=0A=
https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019/10/23/detailed-as_s=
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Our numbers and yours are consistent, except that we also showed that=0A=
globally there only 21 unique routes (prefixes) with AS_SET that seem meani=
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The rest of the routes with AS_SET (about 450) seem meaningless; details at=
 the link above.=0A=
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Even the 21 will likely do fine if they did not use AS_SET. They can deaggr=
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provide the full AS path or they can aggregate and put in AGGREGATOR and=0A=
ATOMIC_AGGREGATE.  If you look at this part of our data:=0A=
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	# Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 75698=0A=
	% Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 9.158%=0A=
	# Unique prefixes with ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 47258 =0A=
	# Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 44971=0A=
	# Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and without ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 31769=0A=
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it seems clear that a very large number of routes/ASes aggregate without AS=
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the AS really never uses that aggregate to route data because it has receiv=
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As Jeff has pointed out, if a more specific gets cut off (due to outage), t=
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This would typically last only for a short period until recovery happens.=
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Now a days, the recovery times are fast. And possibly looping of data for a=
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Hi folks!

we have a standing PR in FRRouting regarding this change too:
https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/pull/5305

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 7:01 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
<kotikalapudi.sriram=40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Alejandro,
> Sander,
>
> [Alejandro]
> >>As a comment, we did a small research and
> >>these are our findings (hope the table shows ok):
> >>.....snip.....
>
> [Sander]
> >Those numbers are very manageable. If we gather a couple
> >of volunteers we could personally contact each AS.
>
> Thanks for the measurement numbers and your comments.
>
> We had earlier reported similar numbers (totals across all RIR regions)
> with many more details:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tE8o0HZeLLUEulMkszVBlxqILeU
>
> The link to our detailed data is here:
> https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019/10/23/detailed-as_set-analysis.txt
>
> Our numbers and yours are consistent, except that we also showed that
> globally there only 21 unique routes (prefixes) with AS_SET that seem meaningful!
> The rest of the routes with AS_SET (about 450) seem meaningless; details at the link above.
>
> Even the 21 will likely do fine if they did not use AS_SET. They can deaggregate and
> provide the full AS path or they can aggregate and put in AGGREGATOR and
> ATOMIC_AGGREGATE.  If you look at this part of our data:
>
> *** When there is AGGREGATOR without AS_SET ***
>         # Unique prefixes (with or without AS_SET) : 826535
>         # Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 75698
>         % Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 9.158%
>         # Unique prefixes with ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 47258
>         # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 44971
>         # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and without ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 31769
>            (the last three lines added newly)
>
> it seems clear that a very large number of routes/ASes aggregate without AS_SET
> and very likely many of them face similar scenario as those with AS_SET
> and yet they do not seem to encounter problems (despite not using AS_SET).
> I think the main reason is that even if the aggregate is received
> via another upstream provider and gets installed in as AS that contributed to the aggregate,
> the AS really never uses that aggregate to route data because it has received
> the other components (more specifics) of the aggregate from the provider who aggregated.
> As Jeff has pointed out, if a more specific gets cut off (due to outage), then looping
> in the data plane can occur.
> This would typically last only for a short period until recovery happens.
> Now a days, the recovery times are fast. And possibly looping of data for a brief period
> is not much worse than the data not reaching its destination for that period.
>
> Sriram
>
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[resending...   I meant to cc IDR list]=0A=
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Jeff,=0A=
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>This gets to be an interesting bit of code verification since it means tha=
t=0A=
>some implementations may have stripped the 2-byte version of sets and the=
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>4-byte stuff is still present in the AS4_PATH.=0A=
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IMO, this situation will not arise because there no "stripping" of AS_SET.=
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There is only Treat-as-withdraw.=0A=
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Thanks.=0A=
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Sriram=0A=
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[Ondrej]=0A=
> Hi=0A=
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> Just added a patch [*] to BIRD to optionally reject AS_SETs (and AS_CONFE=
D_SETs).=0A=
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> One thing that is not discussed in the draft is handling of AS_SETs in AS=
4_PATH.=0A=
> It would make sense to also do treat-as-withdraw, but handling of inappro=
priate=0A=
> AS_CONFED_* segments is already different in AS_PATH and AS4_PATH.=0A=
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[Jeff]=0A=
This is a very good point.  The related normative updates vs. RFC 4893 are=
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now required.=0A=
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This gets to be an interesting bit of code verification since it means that=
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some implementations may have stripped the 2-byte version of sets and the=
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4-byte stuff is still present in the AS4_PATH.=0A=
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Then again, the spec was always incomplete with all of the crazy edge cases=
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On 11/10/19 1:01 AM, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote:
> Alejandro,
> Sander,
>
> [Alejandro]
>>> As a comment, we did a small research and=20
>>> these are our findings (hope the table shows ok):
>>> .....snip.....
> [Sander]
>> Those numbers are very manageable. If we gather a couple=20
>> of volunteers we could personally contact each AS.
> Thanks for the measurement numbers and your comments.
>
> We had earlier reported similar numbers (totals across all RIR regions)=

> with many more details:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tE8o0HZeLLUEulMkszVBlxqILeU
>
> The link to our detailed data is here:
> https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019/10/23/detailed-=
as_set-analysis.txt=20


Thanks for this, happy to see our results are similar.

We also published something, a little bit longer that what I sent to the
list few days ago.

https://labs.lacnic.net/Una_mirada_al_uso_de_BGP_AS_SET_en_la_DFZ/


Regards,

P.S. Sorry, in Spanish :-{}



>
> Our numbers and yours are consistent, except that we also showed that
> globally there only 21 unique routes (prefixes) with AS_SET that seem m=
eaningful!
> The rest of the routes with AS_SET (about 450) seem meaningless; detail=
s at the link above.
>
> Even the 21 will likely do fine if they did not use AS_SET. They can de=
aggregate and=20
> provide the full AS path or they can aggregate and put in AGGREGATOR an=
d
> ATOMIC_AGGREGATE.  If you look at this part of our data:
>
> *** When there is AGGREGATOR without AS_SET ***
> 	# Unique prefixes (with or without AS_SET) : 826535
> 	# Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 75698
> 	% Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 9.158%
> 	# Unique prefixes with ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 47258=20
> 	# Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 44971
> 	# Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and without ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 31769
>            (the last three lines added newly)
>
> it seems clear that a very large number of routes/ASes aggregate withou=
t AS_SET
> and very likely many of them face similar scenario as those with AS_SET=

> and yet they do not seem to encounter problems (despite not using AS_SE=
T).
> I think the main reason is that even if the aggregate is received
> via another upstream provider and gets installed in as AS that contribu=
ted to the aggregate,
> the AS really never uses that aggregate to route data because it has re=
ceived=20
> the other components (more specifics) of the aggregate from the provide=
r who aggregated.
> As Jeff has pointed out, if a more specific gets cut off (due to outage=
), then looping
> in the data plane can occur.=20
> This would typically last only for a short period until recovery happen=
s.
> Now a days, the recovery times are fast. And possibly looping of data f=
or a brief period
> is not much worse than the data not reaching its destination for that p=
eriod. =20
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> Sriram   =20
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> On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) =
<kotikalapudi.sriram=3D40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>=20
> Alejandro,
> Sander,
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> [Alejandro]
>>> As a comment, we did a small research and=20
>>> these are our findings (hope the table shows ok):
>>> .....snip.....
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> [Sander]
>> Those numbers are very manageable. If we gather a couple=20
>> of volunteers we could personally contact each AS.
>=20
> Thanks for the measurement numbers and your comments.
>=20
> We had earlier reported similar numbers (totals across all RIR =
regions)
> with many more details:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tE8o0HZeLLUEulMkszVBlxqILeU
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> The link to our detailed data is here:
> =
https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019/10/23/detailed-as_=
set-analysis.txt=20

We seem to have some issues as $dayJob is listed in here.. I=E2=80=99m =
researching this now.

I was surprised to find some of our routes announced with this, eg:

23.52.172.0/23 2914 20940 20940 {21342}
2600:140b:f000::/48 2914 20940 20940 {21342}
2a02:26f0:e00::/48 2914 6762 20940 20940 {21342}

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Alejandro,

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 07:03:34PM -0400, Alejandro Acosta wrote:
> We also published something, a little bit longer that what I sent to the
> list few days ago.
> 
> https://labs.lacnic.net/Una_mirada_al_uso_de_BGP_AS_SET_en_la_DFZ/

Sorry for not looking at this in more detail (my spanish is weak) but I find
a very puzzling item in your results: IPv6

In IPv6, we shouldn't have any motivation to do aggregation in the
traditional sense.  Have you done any analysis of the prefixes involved in
that IPv6 aggregation?

Your data also supports my observations about the oddities for private ASes
and thus likely bugs in some implementations vs. aggregation and private
ASes and remove-private.

-- Jeff


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Hi Jeffrey,

	Thanks for your suggestion.

	Flowspec is intended to match only the message fields.=20
	Our solution here is an enhancement to Flowspec, which can effectively red=
uce the space of the flowspec.

	The rules here are also used in conjunction with the existing Flowspec rul=
es, so using the new SAFI to describe it is not appropriate.
	We can increase OPEN capability negotiation to enable when this feature is=
 supported.
   =20

Regards,
Haibo

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Haibo,

Thanks for the expected clarification.

To the chairs, as noted below the feature violates some fundamentals of flo=
wspec architecture.  I'd strongly object to the feature being adopted witho=
ut a new SAFI to get it out of the existing flowspec use cases.

-- Jeff


> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.=
com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Jeffrey,
>=20
> 	Flowspec is designed for security protection, but current usage is not l=
imited to security protection,=20
>    but also to optimize traffic. Using Flowspec to optimize traffic is sa=
fer and more reliable than send routes to router.
>=20
>    Our scenario here is for optimize traffic. The actions here are all pe=
rformed on the routers. You need to perform a FIB lookup to get dest-as.
>=20
>    This does violate some of the current rules and introduces a certain p=
erformance penalty,
>    but it can reduce the demand for Flowspec entry space, so you can use =
this rule in the appropriate scenario.
>=20
> Regards,
> Haibo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 1:38 AM
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> Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn;=20
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> Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow=20
> Specification
>=20
> Haibo,
>=20
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
>> PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on Dest-IP-O=
rigin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, this prosess =
can be reused.
>=20
>> From a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.
>=20
> Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.  It functions o=
n the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to FIB.
>=20
> What this feature implies is something roughly like:
> Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.
> dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:
> - communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)
> - trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.  Violates pipelining in=20
> many  architectures.
> - Have the entire FIB's dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall, =20
> implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.
>=20
> -- Jeff


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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 07:21:17AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> 	Thanks for your suggestion.
> 
> 	Flowspec is intended to match only the message fields. 
> 	Our solution here is an enhancement to Flowspec, which can effectively reduce the space of the flowspec.
> 
> 	The rules here are also used in conjunction with the existing Flowspec rules, so using the new SAFI to describe it is not appropriate.
> 	We can increase OPEN capability negotiation to enable when this feature is supported.

BGP NLRI are transitive across a network.  If you want a feature that varies
on NLRI parsing or processing behavior, it needs to be uniformly supported
across all BGP speakers that receive it.  This cannot be a capability.  That
behavior is covered by afi/safis.

-- Jeff


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Wanghaibo,

Flow spec 5575 and 5575bis limits to what can be used as match criteria to
IPv4/IPv6 IP layer and transport layer headers:

*"The following sections define component types and parameter encodings for
the IPv4 IP layer and transport layer headers."*

Your proposal can not proceed under FlowSpec umbrella as packet's target
ASN is not carried in any of the packet headers so it can not be applied as
a packet ACL.

If you want to continue with this extension let's use a different SAFI and
preferable a different name.

Thx,
R.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <
rainsword.wang@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeffrey,
>
>         Thanks for your suggestion.
>
>         Flowspec is intended to match only the message fields.
>         Our solution here is an enhancement to Flowspec, which can
> effectively reduce the space of the flowspec.
>
>         The rules here are also used in conjunction with the existing
> Flowspec rules, so using the new SAFI to describe it is not appropriate.
>         We can increase OPEN capability negotiation to enable when this
> feature is supported.
>
>
> Regards,
> Haibo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:11 AM
> To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>; idr-chairs@ietf.org
> Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn;
> Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow
> Specification
>
> Haibo,
>
> Thanks for the expected clarification.
>
> To the chairs, as noted below the feature violates some fundamentals of
> flowspec architecture.  I'd strongly object to the feature being adopted
> without a new SAFI to get it out of the existing flowspec use cases.
>
> -- Jeff
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <
> rainsword.wang@huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jeffrey,
> >
> >       Flowspec is designed for security protection, but current usage is
> not limited to security protection,
> >    but also to optimize traffic. Using Flowspec to optimize traffic is
> safer and more reliable than send routes to router.
> >
> >    Our scenario here is for optimize traffic. The actions here are all
> performed on the routers. You need to perform a FIB lookup to get dest-as.
> >
> >    This does violate some of the current rules and introduces a certain
> performance penalty,
> >    but it can reduce the demand for Flowspec entry space, so you can use
> this rule in the appropriate scenario.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Haibo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> > Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 1:38 AM
> > To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
> > Cc: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn;
> > Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow
> > Specification
> >
> > Haibo,
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> >> PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on
> Dest-IP-Origin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, this
> prosess can be reused.
> >
> >> From a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.
> >
> > Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.  It functions
> on the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to FIB.
> >
> > What this feature implies is something roughly like:
> > Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.
> > dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:
> > - communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)
> > - trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.  Violates pipelining in
> > many  architectures.
> > - Have the entire FIB's dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall,
> > implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.
> >
> > -- Jeff
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wanghaibo,<div><br></div><div>Flow spec 5575 and 5575bis l=
imits to what can be used=C2=A0as match criteria to IPv4/IPv6 IP layer and =
transport layer headers:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><b>&quot;The follow=
ing=C2=A0sections define component types and parameter encodings for the IP=
v4=C2=A0IP layer and transport layer headers.&quot;</b><br></div><div><b><b=
r></b></div><div>Your proposal can not proceed under FlowSpec umbrella as p=
acket&#39;s target ASN is not carried in any of the packet headers so it ca=
n not be applied as a packet ACL.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If you wan=
t to continue with this=C2=A0extension let&#39;s use a different SAFI and p=
referable a different=C2=A0name.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thx,</div><=
div>R.</div><div><b><br></b></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM Wanghaibo=
 (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawei.com">rainsword.wan=
g@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">Hi Jeffrey,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks for your suggestion.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Flowspec is intended to match only the message =
fields. <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Our solution here is an enhancement to Flowspec=
, which can effectively reduce the space of the flowspec.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The rules here are also used in conjunction wit=
h the existing Flowspec rules, so using the new SAFI to describe it is not =
appropriate.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We can increase OPEN capability negotiation to =
enable when this feature is supported.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Haibo<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>] <br>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:11 AM<br>
To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawei.com" =
target=3D"_blank">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:idr-=
chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank=
">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn" tar=
get=3D"_blank">wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn</a>; Zhuangshunwan &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:zhuangshunwan@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">zhuangshunwan@huawei.com</=
a>&gt;; idr@ietf. org &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow Specificati=
on<br>
<br>
Haibo,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the expected clarification.<br>
<br>
To the chairs, as noted below the feature violates some fundamentals of flo=
wspec architecture.=C2=A0 I&#39;d strongly object to the feature being adop=
ted without a new SAFI to get it out of the existing flowspec use cases.<br=
>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rainsword.wang@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Jeffrey,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Flowspec is designed for security protection=
, but current usage is not limited to security protection, <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 but also to optimize traffic. Using Flowspec to optimize =
traffic is safer and more reliable than send routes to router.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Our scenario here is for optimize traffic. The actions he=
re are all performed on the routers. You need to perform a FIB lookup to ge=
t dest-as.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This does violate some of the current rules and introduce=
s a certain performance penalty,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 but it can reduce the demand for Flowspec entry space, so=
 you can use this rule in the appropriate scenario.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Haibo<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" target=3D=
"_blank">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 1:38 AM<br>
&gt; To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawei.=
com" target=3D"_blank">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_=
blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn=
" target=3D"_blank">wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn</a>; <br>
&gt; Zhuangshunwan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhuangshunwan@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">zhuangshunwan@huawei.com</a>&gt;; idr@ietf. org &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Idr] Destination-IP-Origin-AS Filter for BGP Flow <br>
&gt; Specification<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Haibo,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:11:12AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:=
<br>
&gt;&gt; PS: Netflow is already supporting statistical traffic based on Des=
t-IP-Origin-AS, it already download Dest-IP-Origin-AS to FIB entry, this pr=
osess can be reused.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; From a forwarding perspective, this is the detail that bothers me.=
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Flowspec right now is currently independent of FIB state.=C2=A0 It fun=
ctions on the firewall layer, which is typically implemented prior to FIB.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; What this feature implies is something roughly like:<br>
&gt; Packet comes in, hits rule to check dst-as.<br>
&gt; dst-as lookup needs to happen as one of:<br>
&gt; - communicate to BGP routing process. (not likely to scale)<br>
&gt; - trigger a FIB lookup, check returned dst-as.=C2=A0 Violates pipelini=
ng in <br>
&gt; many=C2=A0 architectures.<br>
&gt; - Have the entire FIB&#39;s dst-as-map pushed into memory for firewall=
,=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; implement as a longest-match lookup on that collection.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Jeff<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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Jeff,=0A=
=0A=
Sorry it took me time to respond. My responses are inline.=0A=
I'll look forward to connecting with you in Singapore and going over the ke=
y points.=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
=85 snip=85=0A=
>=0A=
>> > The implications:=0A=
>> > - You have to provide an entire revised section 9.1.4 for RFC 4271.=0A=
>> =0A=
>> This is no longer relevant given my response above.=0A=
>> However, section 9.1.4 says (in the last paragraph):=0A=
>>    =93If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD either inclu=
de=0A=
>>    all ASes used to form the aggregate in an AS_SET, or add the=0A=
>>    ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.=94=0A=
>> We could recommend changing it to:=0A=
>>    =93If a BGP speaker chooses to aggregate, then it SHOULD =0A=
>>    add the ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute to the route.=94=0A=
>=0A=
>Minimally, that's necessary.=0A=
>=0A=
>I think we'll find that makes things more annoying than set elements at so=
me=0A=
>point down the line.  The motivation to remove sets is that origin=0A=
>validation gets difficult/impossible.  You'll find most implementations=0A=
>don't have a way to test for atomic aggregate in policy at all.=0A=
>=0A=
>Why would you care?  AA says "never deaggregate".  At some place in the=0A=
>network, a given prefix may be encountered with and without AA set.  In on=
e=0A=
>of these cases, it used to be the case that the path was shortened from a=
=0A=
>calculated standpoint (this is a side effect of proxy aggregation - as-set=
s=0A=
>are length one for the whole set).  And now they're differently comparable=
.=0A=
>=0A=
>This is an edge case.  But once this thing ships as an RFC, I'll set a tim=
er=0A=
>for the incoming request for a knob to deal with its consequences.=0A=
=0A=
Yes, AA says "never deaggregate". =0A=
But IMO, it seems correct to say that AA is vestigial.=0A=
I think ASes perhaps pay little attention to it because they do not usually=
=0A=
have a need to deaggregagte something that was aggregated elsewhere.=0A=
That is why aggregation seems to be working fine with AGGREGATE alone =0A=
and without inserting AA or AS_SET in the Update.=0A=
Please see my explanation in an earlier post: =0A=
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/BxaurATmHTUIxlE8lulR36Y5nF0 =0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>> > =0A=
>> > Misc. open issue:=0A=
>> > - What do you do about "atomic aggregate?"=0A=
>> > - You're also deprecating appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271=0A=
>> > - You're modifying recommendations for appendix F.4 of RFC 4271.=0A=
>> > =0A=
>> =0A=
>> I think we don=92t need to change anything about ATOMIC_AGGREGATE=0A=
>> for the purpose of this document.=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>I'll wait on others to comment here.  It's been my observation over nigh 2=
0=0A=
>years of BGP that even the inventor of the feature didn't fully understand=
=0A=
>what it did.  And now, courtesy of removing sets, it'll be more mandated=
=0A=
>than before.=0A=
=0A=
I don=92t think AA will be more mandated due to the removal of sets.=0A=
IMO, AA can also be possibly deprecated as I tried to explain above.=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>> Yes, we can say =93deprecate appendix  F.6 of RFC 4271=94.  =0A=
>> We can say the same about F.4 =93deprecate appendix  F.4 of RFC 4271=94.=
  =0A=
>> F.4 is no longer relevant when AS_SET is deprecated.=0A=
>> =0A=
>> However, I think rather than get specific about such instances, =0A=
>> it better to have an overarching statement. So, the draft now includes=
=0A=
>> this statement in Section 4:=0A=
>> =0A=
>>    =93Wherever mentions of AS_SET or AS_CONFED_SET occur in [RFC4271] an=
d=0A=
>>    [RFC5065], appropriate modification or elimination of the text must=
=0A=
>>    be made in future RFCs that would replace these RFCs, consistent with=
=0A=
>>    the deprecation of AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET.=94=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>You're making an intrusive change to RFC 4271.  Handwaving details and=0A=
>leaving them up to generally clueless implementors to intuit was is meant=
=0A=
>here is not something we should ship.=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
I am happy to work with you to exactly chart out these details.=0A=
We can discuss this in person in Singapore.=0A=
=0A=
>For my part, I'll strongly suggest to the chairs that we do not pass this=
=0A=
>document through WGLC without this dealt with.  Too many of us spent too=
=0A=
>many cycles on RFC 4271 and the consequences of sloppy wording thereafter=
=0A=
>not to do so.=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
See my response above. We can make it right.=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
>[impacts of proxy aggregation]=0A=
>> Regarding your question =93How do you do this=94, here is my two cents w=
orth.=0A=
>> I think if AS X is aggregating (without using AS_SET) P1/24 (from cust. =
A), =0A=
>> P2/24 (from cust. B), P3/24 (from cust. C)  and P4/24 (from cust. D) to =
P/22,=0A=
>> then AS X will announce the P/22 aggregate to its transits and later pee=
rs=0A=
>> (while including ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute in the aggregate update),=0A=
>=0A=
>Implication for RPKI, it is the originating AS and is permitted in the ROA=
=0A=
>to originate such a shortened route.=0A=
>=0A=
>> but not to the customers. =0A=
>=0A=
>To do so, configuration related to the aggregation now must be pushed to t=
he=0A=
>ASBR connections of the component routes.=0A=
=0A=
I trust this cannot be new to operators. Hard to imagine that those who=0A=
aggregate prefixes are sending only the aggregate to their downstream custo=
mers =0A=
and not sending the components, i.e., the more specific prefixes.=0A=
=0A=
=85 snip =85=0A=
=0A=
>> AS X will announce to each of the four customers,=0A=
>> only the more specific prefixes contributed by the other three customers=
. =0A=
>=0A=
>This point is correct, and should be documented, because it interacts with=
=0A=
>the operational model change above. =0A=
=0A=
OK. Yes.=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>We didn't have to filter the less specific to the providers, but we do now=
.=0A=
>That is likely to be a prefix filter.  We need to ensure that the more=0A=
>specifics get propagated.  That prefix filter has to be correctly specifie=
d=0A=
>vs. the filter on the less specific.  (I.e. don't just reject >=3D /22 to =
the=0A=
>peers!)=0A=
=0A=
=93We didn't have to filter the less specific to the *providers*=94 ?=0A=
Did you mean *customers* instead?=0A=
Less specific (aggregate of customer routes) is meant to be =0A=
sent to the providers (upstream).=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>> In addition, RFC 4271 (sec. 9.1.4) says the following for all other ASes=
=0A=
>> (transits, peers, customers of peer, etc.) that receive the aggregate:  =
=0A=
>>  =93In particular, a route that carries the=0A=
>>    ATOMIC_AGGREGATE attribute MUST NOT be de-aggregated.=94  =0A=
>> =0A=
>> I don=92t think we need to put text in the document regarding the above=
=0A=
>> since it seems to be adequately covered in RFC 4271. Your take?=0A=
>=0A=
>You also now have the fun of what happens when the route gets around to th=
e=0A=
>back door of such an aggregated service provider.=0A=
>=0A=
>Simplified example:=0A=
>=0A=
>   Internet --- Aggregating -------- Customer=0A=
>                               |                                |=0A=
>                              +---------------------+=0A=
>=0A=
>The customer announces P1/24.=0A=
>=0A=
>Aggregating upstream, that peers with customer, generates P1/22, a less=0A=
>specific of the more specific P1/24.  It announces it upstream to the=0A=
>Internet, and suppresses P1/24.=0A=
>=0A=
>The customer at some point receives P1/22.  This covers their internal=0A=
>address space of P1/24.=0A=
>=0A=
>Previously, when AS_SETs were used, P1/22 would have been dropped by the=
=0A=
>Customer automatically as a loop.  This no longer happens.=0A=
=0A=
I see not much harm if P1/22 is installed at the customer=92s AS.=0A=
They need reachability for the rest of the P1/22 (besides the P1/24).=0A=
Likely, the aggregating AS announced the other components of=0A=
the aggregate P1/22 to the customer. Data traffic gets routed to those more=
 =0A=
specifics and the less specific (P1/22) is only a backup route in the custo=
mer's AS.=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>It is a BCP that providers should filter routes that cover their address=
=0A=
>space.  Filtering out P1/24 and longer is easy.  What do they do about=0A=
>P1/22?  What filtering construct says "this overlaps my /24?"  You've=0A=
>created a new policy need, I think. *=0A=
=0A=
Referring to your * -- you may be right that AS operators =0A=
(your customers) are smart :)=0A=
P1/22 gets installed and is a backup route in the customer's AS. =0A=
There no harm and no need to filter it. =0A=
The more specific routes (P1/24 and other components of P1/22) are primary.=
=0A=
=0A=
>=0A=
>If the internal P1/24 reachability goes away, we may end up in temporary=
=0A=
>forwarding loops until the Internet converges.  (Internal traffic heads=0A=
>toward the Internet via the /22 to eventually arrive back through the=0A=
>Aggregating ISP.)  Alternatively we end up with some new need to filter=0A=
>outbound traffic for routes we know we announce.=0A=
=0A=
When P1/24 reachability goes away, shouldn=92t the aggregating AS=0A=
re-aggregate without the P1/24? Then the looping wouldn=92t =0A=
occur except may be for a short transient period. =0A=
Additionally, at present, doesn=92t the recovery happen fast?=0A=
Companies employ live standby BGP session etc. for fast recovery.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks.=0A=
=0A=
Sriram=0A=
   =0A=
>=0A=
>-- Jeff=0A=
>=0A=
>* There's a chance I'm missing the obvious here.  Generally, my customers=
=0A=
>are more clever about using our policy than I am. :-)=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
=0A=


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Hi all,

The updated idr agenda is posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/1=
06/materials/agenda-106-idr-01.html

The time slot of two presentations on Monday and Thursday are switched due =
to one presenter conflict.

Presenters, please send your slides to me and CC the chairs. For presentati=
ons on Monday session, please send your slides before 10 pm of Sunday (Sing=
apore local time). For presentations on Thursday session, please send your =
slides before 10 pm of Wednesday. This is to make sure your slides can be u=
ploaded in time for others to review prior to the meeting.

Also, please take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%2=
0at%20an%20IDR%20meeting

See you all in Singapore.

Best regards,
Jie

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Hi all,

The idr draft agenda is posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106=
/materials/agenda-106-idr-00

Please check and let us know if there is anything missing or incorrect.

As we have a quite full agenda this time, we'd like to remind the presenter=
s that the time allocated for each topic includes the time for Q&A, please =
take this into consideration when preparing your slides. Thanks.

Best regards,
Jie

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best re=
gards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Jie<o:p=
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" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dongjie (Jimmy)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'idr wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] IETF106 idr draft agenda posted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The idr draft agenda is posted =
at: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-10=
6-idr-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-idr-00</a><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please check and let us know if=
 there is anything missing or incorrect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">As we have a quite full agenda =
this time, we&#8217;d like to remind the presenters that the time allocated=
 for each topic includes the time for Q&amp;A, please take this into consid=
eration when preparing your slides. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Jeff,

>
> In IPv6, we shouldn't have any motivation to do aggregation in the
> traditional sense.  Have you done any analysis of the prefixes involved i=
n
> that IPv6 aggregation?
>

Earlier we (NIST) had shared the analysis for IPv4.
Listed below is the AS_SET analysis for IPv6.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Lilia
--------------

AS_SET ANALYSIS (OREGON6 2019-10-03:00)
The Routeviews OREGON6 collector peers with (23) ASes

*********************************************************************
Summary (for IPv6)
*********************************************************************

        Total # Updates : 155659
        # Updates with AS_SET : 38
        Percentage of routes with AS_SET : 0.024%
        # Total # ASes (globally) : 18027
        # ASes that create updates with AS_SET : 27
        Percentage of ASes that create updates with AS_SET : 0.15%

        # Routes with AS_SET (after eliminating AS path redundancy): 38
        Explanation: These are routes with unique {prefix, AS_SET, 1st AS a=
fter AS_SET, AGGREGATOR} combinations.

Out of the 38 routes with AS_SETs:
        *** Routes with AS_SET that seem meaningless or malformed ***
        # Routes with only one AS in AS_SET : 26
        # Routes with Reserved ASN in AS_SET : 0
        # Routes with common AS in the AS_SEQUENCE and AS_SET : 4
        # Routes with repeated ASes in the AS_SET : 0
        # Routes that are /48 prefix (aggregate) announcements : 6
        Total # Routes that seem meaningless or malformed : 27

      Total # Routes that seem meaningful : 11

        Distribution of # unique ASes in the AS_SET : 1:26,2:7,3:1,4:3,8:1

        # Routes with AS_SET where AGGREGATOR does not match the right most=
 AS in AS_SEQUENCE : 1

        # Routes with unique {prefix, AS_SET, AGGREGATOR} : 38
        # Routes with unique {prefix, AS_SET} : 38

*** When there is AGGREGATOR without AS_SET ***
        # Unique prefixes (with or without AS_SET) : 78625
        # Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 8651
        % Unique prefixes without AS_SET but with AGGREGATOR: 11.003%
        # Unique prefixes with ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 3823
        # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 3650
        # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATOR and without ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 503=
9
        # Unique prefixes with AS_SET and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 2


*********************************************************************
List of ASes (AGGREGATOR) Ranked according to # Routes with AS_SET
*********************************************************************

        AS: 14080    # Routes with AS_SET: 4    Organization: Telmex Colomb=
ia S.A., CO
        AS: 271    # Routes with AS_SET: 3    Organization: BCNET-AS - BCne=
t, CA
        AS: 20940    # Routes with AS_SET: 3    Organization: AKAMAI-ASN1, =
US
        AS: 9443    # Routes with AS_SET: 2    Organization: INTERNETPRIMUS=
-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications, AU
        AS: 24158    # Routes with AS_SET: 2    Organization: TAIWANMOBILE-=
AS Taiwan Mobile Co., Ltd., TW
        AS: 45147    # Routes with AS_SET: 2    Organization: NAPINFO-TRANS=
IT-AS-AP PT. NAP Info Lintas Nusa, ID
        AS: 52320    # Routes with AS_SET: 2    Organization: GlobeNet Cabo=
s Submarinos Colombia, S.A.S., CO
        AS: 22    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: DNIC-AS-00022 - =
Navy Network Information Center (NNIC), US
        AS: 8376    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: Jordan Data Co=
mmunications, JO
        AS: 8697    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: JTC-AS8697 Jor=
dan Telecom Group ( JTG ), JO
        AS: 47377    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: ORANGE_BELGIU=
M_SA KPN Belgium Business NV has been acquired by Mobistar, BE
        AS: 65401    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: -Private Use =
AS-, ZZ
        AS: 7160    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: NETDYNAMICS - =
Oracle Corporation, US
        AS: 6509    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: CANARIE-NTN - =
Canarie Inc, CA
        AS: 32440    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: LONI - Louisi=
ana Board of Regents/Louisiana Optical Network Initiative (LONI), US
        AS: 6364    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: ATLANTIC-NET-1=
 - Atlantic.net, Inc., US
        AS: 27919    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: IXP ECUADOR, =
EC
        AS: 8664    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: ICM-PUB public=
 network services, PL
        AS: 41943    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: VMI-KISTA, SE
        AS: 41426    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: SAUDIDATASTC-=
AS, SA
        AS: 203507    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: AVIRADE Kapl=
aneiweg 1, DE
        AS: 44814    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: BTEL-BG-AS, B=
G
        AS: 35548    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: SMARTTERRA-AS=
, DE
        AS: 62917    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: GIGABITCO - G=
igabit Communications, US
        AS: 34056    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: KIEVNET KievN=
et ISP AS, UA
        AS: 9924    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: TFN-TW Taiwan =
Fixed Network, Telco and Network Service Provider., TW
        AS: 26281    # Routes with AS_SET: 1    Organization: RIML-CORP-AS-=
1 - BlackBerry Limited, CA


*********************************************************************
List of Routes with AS_SET that seem meaningless or malformed:
*********************************************************************

        2607:ffc0:1000::/36     209 6939 18705 26281 {13340}
        2607:f170:50::/44       57463 6939 2828 18672 6364 {6364}
        2001:6a0::/32   7018 6939 8664 {8890}
        2607:f8f0:210::/44      57866 1299 6939 271 271 271 271 {26415}
        2800:484::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}
        2a01:4a40::/32  37100 44814 {60974}
        2402:7500:600::/40      57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}
        2800:480::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}
        2a03:f600::/32  57463 6939 1299 3301 25146 41943 {34236}
        2a00:1688::/32  57866 9002 34056 {201948}
        2600:1408:9800::/48     209 6461 20940 20940 {16625}
        2a02:26f0:e00::/48      57463 6939 6762 20940 20940 {21342}
        2403:4800:9000::/36     57463 6939 4826 9443 {16625}
        2600:140b:f000::/48     7018 1299 4637 4637 4637 4637 20940 20940 {=
21342}
        2606:b400:8814::/48     57463 6939 3356 7160 {7160}
        2403:4800::/48  57463 6939 4826 9443 {38285}
        2a00:18d8::/32  57463 6939 5511 8697 {328126}
        2803:a8a0::/32  7660 2516 6762 27947 27919 {27919,266802}
        2800:485::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}
        2402:4640::/33  22652 4788 38044 {23736}
        2402:7500:800::/40      57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}
        2a01:9700::/32  57463 6939 8697 8376 {8376}
        2a06:e380::/29  57866 1299 203507 203507 {206970}
        2a00:6480::/32  57463 6939 35548 {29018}
        2001:480:10::/48        57866 2914 668 22 {7224}
        2a02:2578::/32  3277 6939 1299 39386 41426 {51375}
        2a01:cc00::/32  57463 6939 5511 47377 {12493}


*********************************************************************
List of Routes with AS_SET that seem meaningful:
*********************************************************************

        2404:c000::/32  1403 6939 7473 45147 {16625,17727,55818,64313}
        2001:410::/32   3277 6939 6509 {271,7860,8111}
        2800:b40::/32   57463 52320 {6939,18678,262220,262589}
        2402:7500::/32  57463 6939 2914 9924 9924 9924 {24158,131614}
        2404:c000::/33  7018 1299 45147 {16625,55818}
        2607:f8f0::/32  57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,16462,26415,39=
3249}
        2604:82c0::/32  57463 6939 33132 62917 {32451,54426}
        2800:482::/32   40191 3257 14080 {10620,64250}
        2803:6700::/32  31019 43531 52320 {2,3257,6762,6939,18747,19429,262=
220,263210}
        2607:f390::/32  57463 6939 3356 32440 {2055,17244}
        2607:f8f0:600::/40      57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,393249=
}

*********************************************************************
List of All Routes with AS_SET by AGGREGATOR
*********************************************************************

***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 14080
***********************
        2800:482::/32   40191 3257 14080 {10620,64250}  AGGREGATOR=3D14080
        2800:484::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}   AGGREGATOR=3D14080
        2800:480::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}   AGGREGATOR=3D14080
        2800:485::/32   57463 6939 3257 14080 {10620}   AGGREGATOR=3D14080
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 271
***********************
        2607:f8f0:210::/44      57866 1299 6939 271 271 271 271 {26415} AGG=
REGATOR=3D271
        2607:f8f0:600::/40      57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,393249=
}    AGGREGATOR=3D271
        2607:f8f0::/32  57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,16462,26415,39=
3249}        AGGREGATOR=3D271
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 20940
***********************
        2600:1408:9800::/48     209 6461 20940 20940 {16625}    AGGREGATOR=
=3D20940
        2600:140b:f000::/48     7018 1299 4637 4637 4637 4637 20940 20940 {=
21342}       AGGREGATOR=3D20940
        2a02:26f0:e00::/48      57463 6939 6762 20940 20940 {21342}     AGG=
REGATOR=3D20940
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 9443
***********************
        2403:4800::/48  57463 6939 4826 9443 {38285}    AGGREGATOR=3D9443
        2403:4800:9000::/36     57463 6939 4826 9443 {16625}    AGGREGATOR=
=3D9443
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 24158
***********************
        2402:7500:600::/40      57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}     AGG=
REGATOR=3D24158
        2402:7500:800::/40      57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}     AGG=
REGATOR=3D24158
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 45147
***********************
        2404:c000::/33  7018 1299 45147 {16625,55818}   AGGREGATOR=3D45147
        2404:c000::/32  1403 6939 7473 45147 {16625,17727,55818,64313}  AGG=
REGATOR=3D45147
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 52320
***********************
        2803:6700::/32  31019 43531 52320 {2,3257,6762,6939,18747,19429,262=
220,263210}  AGGREGATOR=3D52320
        2800:b40::/32   57463 52320 {6939,18678,262220,262589}  AGGREGATOR=
=3D52320
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 22
***********************
        2001:480:10::/48        57866 2914 668 22 {7224}        AGGREGATOR=
=3D22
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 8376
***********************
        2a01:9700::/32  57463 6939 8697 8376 {8376}     AGGREGATOR=3D8376
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 8697
***********************
        2a00:18d8::/32  57463 6939 5511 8697 {328126}   AGGREGATOR=3D8697
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 47377
***********************
        2a01:cc00::/32  57463 6939 5511 47377 {12493}   AGGREGATOR=3D47377
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 65401
***********************
        2402:4640::/33  22652 4788 38044 {23736}        AGGREGATOR=3D65401
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 7160
***********************
        2606:b400:8814::/48     57463 6939 3356 7160 {7160}     AGGREGATOR=
=3D7160
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 6509
***********************
        2001:410::/32   3277 6939 6509 {271,7860,8111}  AGGREGATOR=3D6509
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 32440
***********************
        2607:f390::/32  57463 6939 3356 32440 {2055,17244}      AGGREGATOR=
=3D32440
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 6364
***********************
        2607:f170:50::/44       57463 6939 2828 18672 6364 {6364}       AGG=
REGATOR=3D6364
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 27919
***********************
        2803:a8a0::/32  7660 2516 6762 27947 27919 {27919,266802}       AGG=
REGATOR=3D27919
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 8664
***********************
        2001:6a0::/32   7018 6939 8664 {8890}   AGGREGATOR=3D8664
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 41943
***********************
        2a03:f600::/32  57463 6939 1299 3301 25146 41943 {34236}        AGG=
REGATOR=3D41943
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 41426
***********************
        2a02:2578::/32  3277 6939 1299 39386 41426 {51375}      AGGREGATOR=
=3D41426
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 203507
***********************
        2a06:e380::/29  57866 1299 203507 203507 {206970}       AGGREGATOR=
=3D203507
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 44814
***********************
        2a01:4a40::/32  37100 44814 {60974}     AGGREGATOR=3D44814
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 35548
***********************
        2a00:6480::/32  57463 6939 35548 {29018}        AGGREGATOR=3D35548
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 62917
***********************
        2604:82c0::/32  57463 6939 33132 62917 {32451,54426}    AGGREGATOR=
=3D62917
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 34056
***********************
        2a00:1688::/32  57866 9002 34056 {201948}       AGGREGATOR=3D34056
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 9924
***********************
        2402:7500::/32  57463 6939 2914 9924 9924 9924 {24158,131614}   AGG=
REGATOR=3D9924
***********************
AGGREGATOR=3D 26281
***********************
        2607:ffc0:1000::/36     209 6939 18705 26281 {13340}    AGGREGATOR=
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&gt; <br>
&gt; In IPv6, we shouldn't have any motivation to do aggregation in the<br>
&gt; traditional sense.&nbsp; Have you done any analysis of the prefixes in=
volved in<br>
&gt; that IPv6 aggregation?<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
Earlier we (NIST) had shared the analysis for IPv4.<br>
Listed below is the AS_SET analysis for IPv6.<br>
Please let me know if you have any further questions.</div>
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Lilia<br>
--------------<br>
<br>
AS_SET ANALYSIS (OREGON6 2019-10-03:00)<br>
The Routeviews OREGON6 collector peers with (23) ASes&nbsp; <br>
<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
Summary (for IPv6)<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Total # Updates : 155659<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Updates with AS_SET : 38<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Percentage of routes with AS_SET=
 : 0.024%<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Total # ASes (globally) : 1802=
7<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # ASes that create updates with =
AS_SET : 27<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Percentage of ASes that create u=
pdates with AS_SET : 0.15%<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with AS_SET (after elim=
inating AS path redundancy): 38<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Explanation: These are routes wi=
th unique {prefix, AS_SET, 1st AS after AS_SET, AGGREGATOR} combinations.<b=
r>
<br>
Out of the 38 routes with AS_SETs:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *** Routes with AS_SET that seem=
 meaningless or malformed ***<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with only one AS in AS_=
SET : 26<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with Reserved ASN in AS=
_SET : 0<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with common AS in the A=
S_SEQUENCE and AS_SET : 4<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with repeated ASes in t=
he AS_SET : 0<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes that are /48 prefix (ag=
gregate) announcements : 6<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Total # Routes that seem meaning=
less or malformed : 27<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Total # Routes that seem meaningful : 11<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Distribution of # unique ASes in=
 the AS_SET : 1:26,2:7,3:1,4:3,8:1<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with AS_SET where AGGRE=
GATOR does not match the right most AS in AS_SEQUENCE : 1<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with unique {prefix, AS=
_SET, AGGREGATOR} : 38<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Routes with unique {prefix, AS=
_SET} : 38<br>
<br>
*** When there is AGGREGATOR without AS_SET ***<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes (with or witho=
ut AS_SET) : 78625<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes without AS_SET=
 but with AGGREGATOR: 8651<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; % Unique prefixes without AS_SET=
 but with AGGREGATOR: 11.003%<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes with ATOMIC_AG=
GREGATE: 3823 <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATO=
R and ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 3650<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes with AGGREGATO=
R and without ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 5039<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Unique prefixes with AS_SET an=
d ATOMIC_AGGREGATE: 2<br>
<br>
<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
List of ASes (AGGREGATOR) Ranked according to # Routes with AS_SET<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 14080&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: Telmex Colombia S.A., C=
O
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 271&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rout=
es with AS_SET: 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: BCNET-AS - BCnet, CA <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 20940&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: AKAMAI-ASN1, US <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 9443&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Pri=
mus Telecommunications, AU
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 24158&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: TAIWANMOBILE-AS Taiwan =
Mobile Co., Ltd., TW
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 45147&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: NAPINFO-TRANSIT-AS-AP P=
T. NAP Info Lintas Nusa, ID
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 52320&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: GlobeNet Cabos Submarin=
os Colombia, S.A.S., CO
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 22&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Route=
s with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: DNIC-AS-00022 - Navy Netwo=
rk Information Center (NNIC), US
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 8376&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: Jordan Data Communicatio=
ns, JO
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 8697&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: JTC-AS8697 Jordan Teleco=
m Group ( JTG ), JO
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 47377&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: ORANGE_BELGIUM_SA KPN B=
elgium Business NV has been acquired by Mobistar, BE
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 65401&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: -Private Use AS-, ZZ
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 7160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: NETDYNAMICS - Oracle Cor=
poration, US
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 6509&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: CANARIE-NTN - Canarie In=
c, CA
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 32440&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: LONI - Louisiana Board =
of Regents/Louisiana Optical Network Initiative (LONI), US
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 6364&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: ATLANTIC-NET-1 - Atlanti=
c.net, Inc., US
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 27919&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: IXP ECUADOR, EC <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 8664&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: ICM-PUB public network s=
ervices, PL
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 41943&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: VMI-KISTA, SE <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 41426&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: SAUDIDATASTC-AS, SA
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 203507&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # R=
outes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: AVIRADE Kaplaneiweg 1,=
 DE
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 44814&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: BTEL-BG-AS, BG <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 35548&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: SMARTTERRA-AS, DE <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 62917&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: GIGABITCO - Gigabit Com=
munications, US
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 34056&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: KIEVNET KievNet ISP AS,=
 UA
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 9924&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Rou=
tes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: TFN-TW Taiwan Fixed Netw=
ork, Telco and Network Service Provider., TW
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AS: 26281&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Ro=
utes with AS_SET: 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Organization: RIML-CORP-AS-1 - BlackB=
erry Limited, CA
<br>
<br>
<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
List of Routes with AS_SET that seem meaningless or malformed:<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:ffc0:1000::/36&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 209 6939 18705 26281 {13340}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f170:50::/44&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 2828 18672 6364 {6364}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2001:6a0::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 7018 6=
939 8664 {8890}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0:210::/44&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 1299 6939 271 271 271 271 {26415}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:484::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a01:4a40::/32&nbsp; 37100 44814=
 {60974}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:7500:600::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:480::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a03:f600::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
1299 3301 25146 41943 {34236}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a00:1688::/32&nbsp; 57866 9002 =
34056 {201948}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2600:1408:9800::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 209 6461 20940 20940 {16625}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a02:26f0:e00::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 6762 20940 20940 {21342}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2403:4800:9000::/36&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 4826 9443 {16625}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2600:140b:f000::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 7018 1299 4637 4637 4637 4637 20940 20940 {21342}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2606:b400:8814::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3356 7160 {7160}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2403:4800::/48&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
4826 9443 {38285}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a00:18d8::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
5511 8697 {328126}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2803:a8a0::/32&nbsp; 7660 2516 6=
762 27947 27919 {27919,266802}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:485::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:4640::/33&nbsp; 22652 4788 =
38044 {23736}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:7500:800::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a01:9700::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
8697 8376 {8376}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a06:e380::/29&nbsp; 57866 1299 =
203507 203507 {206970}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a00:6480::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
35548 {29018}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2001:480:10::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 2914 668 22 {7224}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a02:2578::/32&nbsp; 3277 6939 1=
299 39386 41426 {51375}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a01:cc00::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
5511 47377 {12493}<br>
<br>
<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
List of Routes with AS_SET that seem meaningful:<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2404:c000::/32&nbsp; 1403 6939 7=
473 45147 {16625,17727,55818,64313}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2001:410::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 3277 6=
939 6509 {271,7860,8111}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:b40::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
52320 {6939,18678,262220,262589}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:7500::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
2914 9924 9924 9924 {24158,131614}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2404:c000::/33&nbsp; 7018 1299 4=
5147 {16625,55818}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0::/32&nbsp; 57866 1299 =
577 271 271 271 271 {4476,16462,26415,393249}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2604:82c0::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
33132 62917 {32451,54426}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:482::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 40191 =
3257 14080 {10620,64250}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2803:6700::/32&nbsp; 31019 43531=
 52320 {2,3257,6762,6939,18747,19429,262220,263210}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f390::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
3356 32440 {2055,17244}<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0:600::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,393249}<br>
<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
List of All Routes with AS_SET by AGGREGATOR<br>
*********************************************************************<br>
<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 14080<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:482::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 40191 =
3257 14080 {10620,64250}&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D14080<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:484::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D14080<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:480::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D14080<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:485::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
6939 3257 14080 {10620}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D14080<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 271<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0:210::/44&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 1299 6939 271 271 271 271 {26415} AGGREGATOR=3D271<b=
r>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0:600::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 1299 577 271 271 271 271 {4476,393249}&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; AGGREGATOR=3D271<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f8f0::/32&nbsp; 57866 1299 =
577 271 271 271 271 {4476,16462,26415,393249}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D271<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 20940<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2600:1408:9800::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 209 6461 20940 20940 {16625}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D209=
40<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2600:140b:f000::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 7018 1299 4637 4637 4637 4637 20940 20940 {21342}&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D20940<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a02:26f0:e00::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 6762 20940 20940 {21342}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; AGGREGATOR=3D20940<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 9443<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2403:4800::/48&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
4826 9443 {38285}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D9443<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2403:4800:9000::/36&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 4826 9443 {16625}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D944=
3<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 24158<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:7500:600::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; AGGREGATOR=3D24158<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:7500:800::/40&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3491 9924 24158 {131614}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; AGGREGATOR=3D24158<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 45147<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2404:c000::/33&nbsp; 7018 1299 4=
5147 {16625,55818}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D45147<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2404:c000::/32&nbsp; 1403 6939 7=
473 45147 {16625,17727,55818,64313}&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D45147<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 52320<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2803:6700::/32&nbsp; 31019 43531=
 52320 {2,3257,6762,6939,18747,19429,262220,263210}&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D5232=
0<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2800:b40::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 =
52320 {6939,18678,262220,262589}&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D52320<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 22<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2001:480:10::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57866 2914 668 22 {7224}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D22<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 8376<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a01:9700::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
8697 8376 {8376}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D8376<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 8697<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a00:18d8::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
5511 8697 {328126}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D8697<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 47377<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2a01:cc00::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
5511 47377 {12493}&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D47377<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 65401<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2402:4640::/33&nbsp; 22652 4788 =
38044 {23736}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D65401<=
br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 7160<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2606:b400:8814::/48&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 57463 6939 3356 7160 {7160}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=
=3D7160<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 6509<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2001:410::/32&nbsp;&nbsp; 3277 6=
939 6509 {271,7860,8111}&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D6509<br>
***********************<br>
AGGREGATOR=3D 32440<br>
***********************<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2607:f390::/32&nbsp; 57463 6939 =
3356 32440 {2055,17244}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AGGREGATOR=3D32440<br=
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Hello Authors of Tunnel Encaps draft,

The Color Extended Communities is specified in https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14#section-4.3 and in it we have a RESERVED fi=
eld. Now two bits in this field are specified by https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-07#section-3. However, we don't =
have an IANA registry for this field/bits and neither is one requested by e=
ither of these drafts.

I am wondering in which draft we should make the IANA request for this fiel=
d and if done in the BGP SRTE draft, would it end up updating the Tunnel En=
caps draft?

Any suggestion on how to proceed with this? With so many other drafts lever=
aging tunnel encaps, my concern is that we should not end up with a collisi=
on.

Thanks,
Ketan


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Hi Everyone,

    We added a traffic description sub-TLV for SR path ingress protection i=
n the new version below
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-idr-sr-ingress-protection/

    If you can review this version and give your comments, that would be gr=
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    Thanks much.

Best Regards,
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&nbsp; &nbsp; We added a traffic description sub-TLV for SR path ingress pr=
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Hi Everyone,

     The updated draft below addressed the comments from Adoption Call (4/1=
8 to 5/2)
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-idr-bgp-segment-allocation-ext/

    Would you mind review it?
    Thanks much.

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Some Bits of SID.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-idr-flowspec-srv6/

    Would you mind reviewing it and giving your comments and suggestions?
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Hi Susan and WG,

Sorry for my delay. :(


a)      We listed the comments received on WG adoption call in the below ta=
ble.


b)      We will address these comments after IETF 106 ASAP.


c)       Also we request for implementations of all the vendors, if you hav=
e implemented these two documents, please feel free to share it on ML.

Many Thanks and hope to see you guys at Singapore.
Cheng


Name

Comments

Notes

Cheng Li

We will update the draft to support multiple bidirectional path in ECMP by =
copying weight TLV to SR Bidir path sub-TLV in the near future.

Next revision

Linda Dunbar

draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-03 has a statement in the Abstra=
ct stating that the document is to define ways for collecting configuration=
 and states of SR policies by BGP-LS. So, it really not SR Policies Extensi=
ons (as stated in the title), is it?


Will check the name

Why not have a separate name to represent the "resource or attributes" of t=
he path?



Aijun Wang

Can these two drafts be merged into one?



Dhruv Dhody

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/2Z7bjxLELWLosG9ryuR2vpwiB-0



Tianran Zhou

Here are some editorial nits are:
1. in abstract: unidirctional -> unidirectional
2. in introduction: carriying -> carrying
3. in section 3: idendifying -> identifying
4. in section 4: Bidirectioanl -> Bidirectional
5. in section 5: beyong -> beyond; receiption -> reception

And it's better to give some initial security considerations in this draft.




Ketan Talaulikar

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/CyaI2IfkUOnc0lGIe3rdbijYhpQ

Susan Hares

I expect from the authors to send an email to IDR with the following:

a)       a summary of comments received on WG adoption call,

b)      Plans for refining and progressing their drafts, and

c)       status of any implementations.








From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption: draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-03.=
txt and draft-li-sr-policy-path-segment-01.txt - 1 week extension [10/14 to=
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Greeting:

It seems I asked the questions about these two drafts to the correct places=
 (IDR and Spring).

These two drafts have enough interest to become IDR WG drafts.  Please subm=
it the following:


*         draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-03.txt  as draft-ietf-=
idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-0.txt

*         draft-li-sr-policy-path-segment-01.txt as draft-ietf-idr-sr-polic=
y-path-segment-00.txt.

The authors should carefully pay attention to the email.

I expect from the authors to send an email to IDR with the following:

a)       a summary of comments received on WG adoption call,

b)      Plans for refining and progressing their drafts, and

c)       status of any implementations.

A big thanks to all who comment on these drafts.  A special thanks to Bruno=
 Decraene who provided extra insight on the links to Spring technologies.

Susan Hares

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Susan and WG,<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry for my delay. </=
span><span style=3D"font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">L</span><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We listed the =
comments received on WG adoption call in the below table.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We will addres=
s these comments after IETF 106 ASAP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">c)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Also we reques=
t for implementations of all the vendors, if you have implemented these two=
 documents, please feel free to share it on ML.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Many Thanks and hope t=
o see you guys at Singapore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Name<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Comments<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Notes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheng Li<o:p></o:p></p>
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wtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">We will update the draft to suppo=
rt multiple bidirectional path in ECMP by copying weight TLV to SR Bidir pa=
th sub-TLV in the near future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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er-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid window=
text 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Next revision<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda Dunbar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-pat=
h-segment-03 has a statement in the Abstract stating that the document is t=
o define ways for collecting configuration
 and states of SR policies by BGP-LS. So, it really not SR Policies Extensi=
ons (as stated in the title), is it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will check the name<o:p></o:p></p>
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wtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
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9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Why not have a separate name to r=
epresent the &quot;resource or attributes&quot; of the path?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Aijun Wang<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Can these two drafts be merged in=
to one?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dhruv Dhody<o:p></o:p></p>
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wtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><a href=3D"https://mailar=
chive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/2Z7bjxLELWLosG9ryuR2vpwiB-0">https://mailarchiv=
e.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/2Z7bjxLELWLosG9ryuR2vpwiB-0</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tianran Zhou<o:p></o:p></p>
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9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Here are some editorial nits are:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">1. in abstract: unidirctional -&g=
t; unidirectional<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">2. in introduction: carriying -&g=
t; carrying<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">3. in section 3: idendifying -&gt=
; identifying<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">4. in section 4: Bidirectioanl -&=
gt; Bidirectional<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">5. in section 5: beyong -&gt; bey=
ond; receiption -&gt; reception<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">And it's better to give some init=
ial security considerations in this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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text 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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text 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan Talaulikar<o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"476" valign=3D"top" style=3D"width:293.9pt;border-top:none;bor=
der-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windo=
wtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><a href=3D"https://mailar=
chive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/CyaI2IfkUOnc0lGIe3rdbijYhpQ">https://mailarc=
hive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/CyaI2IfkUOnc0lGIe3rdbijYhpQ</a><span style=3D=
"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"61" valign=3D"top" style=3D"width:43.15pt;border-top:none;bord=
er-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid window=
text 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
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<td width=3D"104" valign=3D"top" style=3D"width:77.75pt;border:solid window=
text 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Susan Hares<o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"476" valign=3D"top" style=3D"width:293.9pt;border-top:none;bor=
der-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windo=
wtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">I expect from the authors to send=
 an email to IDR with the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">a)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; a summary of comments received on WG adoption call,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">b)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Plans for refining and progressing their drafts, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">c)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; status of any implementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"61" valign=3D"top" style=3D"width:43.15pt;border-top:none;bord=
er-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid window=
text 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On=
 Behalf Of
</b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 25, 2019 10:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'idr wg' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Adoption: draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segm=
ent-03.txt and draft-li-sr-policy-path-segment-01.txt - 1 week extension [1=
0/14 to 10/21/2019]<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greeting: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It seems I asked the questions about these two draft=
s to the correct places (IDR and Spring).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These two drafts have enough interest to become IDR =
WG drafts.&nbsp; Please submit the following:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:38.25pt;text-indent:-18.=
0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;"=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>draft-li-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-0=
3.txt &nbsp;as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sr-policy-path-segment-0.txt<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:38.25pt;text-indent:-18.=
0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;"=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>draft-li-sr-policy-path-segment-01.txt as dr=
aft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-path-segment-00.txt.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors should carefully pay attention to the em=
ail. <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I expect from the authors to send an email to IDR wi=
th the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>&nbsp;a summary of comments received on WG adoption=
 call, <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Plans for refining and progressing their drafts, an=
d <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">c)<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>status of any implementations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A big thanks to all who comment on these drafts.&nbs=
p; A special thanks to Bruno Decraene who provided extra insight on the lin=
ks to Spring technologies.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Susan Hares<o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: [Idr] [draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis] Question on explicit withdrawal of BGP-LS NLRI
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Hi folks,

 I'm trying to understand what the following text is actually mandating:
>>>>
 When adding, removing or modifying a TLV/sub-TLV from a Link-State
 NLRI, the BGP-LS Producer MUST withdraw the old NLRI by including it
in the MP_UNREACH_NLRI.  Not doing so can result in duplicate and in-
consistent link-state objects hanging around in the BGP-LS table
<<<<

Is it simply about ensuring that the previous incarnation of the NLRI
is withdrawn
  (or)
is it also mandating some ordering requirements between when the old
incarnation is withdrawn and the new one advertised.

For example, if there's a link nlri say NLRI1 = {
 local node descriptor {
   asn = 100
   igp router ID = 1111.1111.1111
 }
 remote node descriptor {
   asn = 100
   igp router ID = 2222.2222.2222
 }
 link descriptor {
   ipv4 Intf address = 1.1.1.1
   ipv4 neighbor address = 1.1.1.2
}
}

Which say subsequently changes such that NLR12 = {
 local node descriptor {
   asn = 100
   igp router ID = 1111.1111.1111
 }
 remote node descriptor {
   asn = 100
   igp router ID = 2222.2222.2222
 }
 link descriptor {
   ipv4 Intf address = 4.4.4.4
   ipv4 neighbor address = 4.4.4.5
 }
}

Note that the interface address changed above in NLRI2

In this case, is it sufficient to ensure that a MP_REACH_NLRI is sent
with NLRI1 and an MP_UNREACH_NLRI is sent with NLRI1 in _any_ order or
is that text mandating something stricter?
Do both MP_REACH_NLRI=NLRI2 and MP_UNREACH_NLRI=NLRI1 need to be sent
in the same UPDATE message or the MP_UNREACH_NLRI has to be sent
before the MP_REACH_NLRI if sent in different UPDATE messages?

Thanks,
Nandan


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Thanks for prompt response Ketan! Makes sense.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 2:57 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
<ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nandan,
>
> Please check inline below.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> Sent: 15 November 2019 14:25
> To: draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
> Cc: Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant=
) <ketant@cisco.com>
> Subject: [draft-ietf-idr-rfc7752bis] Question on explicit withdrawal of B=
GP-LS NLRI
>
> Hi folks,
>
>  I'm trying to understand what the following text is actually mandating:
> >>>>
>  When adding, removing or modifying a TLV/sub-TLV from a Link-State  NLRI=
, the BGP-LS Producer MUST withdraw the old NLRI by including it in the MP_=
UNREACH_NLRI.  Not doing so can result in duplicate and in- consistent link=
-state objects hanging around in the BGP-LS table <<<<
>
> Is it simply about ensuring that the previous incarnation of the NLRI is =
withdrawn
> [KT] Yes
>   (or)
> is it also mandating some ordering requirements between when the old inca=
rnation is withdrawn and the new one advertised.
> [KT] No
>
> For example, if there's a link nlri say NLRI1 =3D {  local node descripto=
r {
>    asn =3D 100
>    igp router ID =3D 1111.1111.1111
>  }
>  remote node descriptor {
>    asn =3D 100
>    igp router ID =3D 2222.2222.2222
>  }
>  link descriptor {
>    ipv4 Intf address =3D 1.1.1.1
>    ipv4 neighbor address =3D 1.1.1.2
> }
> }
>
> Which say subsequently changes such that NLR12 =3D {  local node descript=
or {
>    asn =3D 100
>    igp router ID =3D 1111.1111.1111
>  }
>  remote node descriptor {
>    asn =3D 100
>    igp router ID =3D 2222.2222.2222
>  }
>  link descriptor {
>    ipv4 Intf address =3D 4.4.4.4
>    ipv4 neighbor address =3D 4.4.4.5
>  }
> }
>
> Note that the interface address changed above in NLRI2
>
> In this case, is it sufficient to ensure that a MP_REACH_NLRI is sent wit=
h NLRI1 and an MP_UNREACH_NLRI is sent with NLRI1 in _any_ order or is that=
 text mandating something stricter?
> [KT] The text does not talk about order - just about sending MP_UNREACH_N=
LRI for the old incarnation.
>
> Do both MP_REACH_NLRI=3DNLRI2 and MP_UNREACH_NLRI=3DNLRI1 need to be sent=
 in the same UPDATE message or the MP_UNREACH_NLRI has to be sent before th=
e MP_REACH_NLRI if sent in different UPDATE messages?
> [KT] They are separate NLRIs and how to send is implementation aspect. Re=
gardless of how one sends, the receiver would need to handle updates in any=
 order. Note that there may be an RR in the propagation path and so one can=
not assume whether the two NLRIs are packed in the same or different update=
 msg.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan
>
> Thanks,
> Nandan


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Application Specific Attributes Advertisement with BGP Link-State
        Authors         : Ketan Talaulikar
                          Peter Psenak
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr-01.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2019-11-16

Abstract:
   Various link attributes have been defined in link-state routing
   protocols like OSPF and IS-IS in the context of the MPLS Traffic
   Engineering (TE) and GMPLS.  BGP Link-State (BGP-LS) extensions have
   been defined to distribute these attributes along with other topology
   information from these link-state routing protocols.  Many of these
   link attributes can be used for applications other than MPLS TE or
   GMPLS.

   Extensions to link-state routing protocols have been defined for such
   link attributes which enable distribution of their application
   specific values.  This document defines extensions to BGP-LS address-
   family to enable advertisement of these application specific
   attributes as a part of the topology information from the network.



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Hi All,

This update of the draft is to align it with the recent changes in the unde=
rlying IGP specs as part of the IESG early reviews.

The draft is on the IDR WG meeting agenda for Thu.=20

Thanks,
Ketan

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Application Specific Attributes Advertisement wit=
h BGP Link-State
        Authors         : Ketan Talaulikar
                          Peter Psenak
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr-01.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2019-11-16

Abstract:
   Various link attributes have been defined in link-state routing
   protocols like OSPF and IS-IS in the context of the MPLS Traffic
   Engineering (TE) and GMPLS.  BGP Link-State (BGP-LS) extensions have
   been defined to distribute these attributes along with other topology
   information from these link-state routing protocols.  Many of these
   link attributes can be used for applications other than MPLS TE or
   GMPLS.

   Extensions to link-state routing protocols have been defined for such
   link attributes which enable distribution of their application
   specific values.  This document defines extensions to BGP-LS address-
   family to enable advertisement of these application specific
   attributes as a part of the topology information from the network.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-at=
tr-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
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-01


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Hi,

This is a kind reminder for the presenters on Monday (tomorrow) to send you=
r slides to me and the chairs before 10 pm today, or you may take the risk =
of losing your time slot from the agenda. Thanks.

Best regards,
Jie

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy)
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:38 PM
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Subject: [Idr] IDR final agenda posted \\RE: IETF106 idr draft agenda poste=
d

Hi all,

The updated idr agenda is posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/1=
06/materials/agenda-106-idr-01.html

The time slot of two presentations on Monday and Thursday are switched due =
to one presenter conflict.

Presenters, please send your slides to me and CC the chairs. For presentati=
ons on Monday session, please send your slides before 10 pm of Sunday (Sing=
apore local time). For presentations on Thursday session, please send your =
slides before 10 pm of Wednesday. This is to make sure your slides can be u=
ploaded in time for others to review prior to the meeting.

Also, please take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%2=
0at%20an%20IDR%20meeting

See you all in Singapore.

Best regards,
Jie

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Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 7:07 PM
To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Idr] IETF106 idr draft agenda posted

Hi all,

The idr draft agenda is posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106=
/materials/agenda-106-idr-00

Please check and let us know if there is anything missing or incorrect.

As we have a quite full agenda this time, we'd like to remind the presenter=
s that the time allocated for each topic includes the time for Q&A, please =
take this into consideration when preparing your slides. Thanks.

Best regards,
Jie

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 a kind reminder for the presenters on Monday (tomorrow) to send your slide=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">The upd=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
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Monday session, please send your slides before 10 pm of Sunday (Singapore l=
ocal time). For presentations on Thursday
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e sure your slides can be uploaded in time for others to review prior to th=
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bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The idr draft agenda is posted =
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6-idr-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-idr-00</a><o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please check and let us know if=
 there is anything missing or incorrect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Jun,=20

I have some questions on your draft:

Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more det=
ailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C?=20

How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate ah=
ead of time?=20

Linda


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Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-t=
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Hi,
Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode protect=
ed tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=
-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP provisi=
on IPsec config.

Review and comment will be appreciated.=20

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Name:		draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode
Revision:	00
Title:		BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Configuration
Document date:	2019-10-10
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Jun,

In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upda=
te from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
      Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
      Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?

Linda

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Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt

Jun,

I have some questions on your draft:

Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more det=
ailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C?

How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate ah=
ead of time?

Linda


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Hi,
Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode protect=
ed tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=
-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP provisi=
on IPsec config.

Review and comment will be appreciated.

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Title:          BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Confi=
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<div>Jun, </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the=
 Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&gt; pairs in each single =
UPDATE? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the=
 UPDATE from R1 has to include </div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; re=
mote subnet B on R2</div>
<div style=3D"padding-left:36pt;">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D =
on R3</div>
<div style=3D"padding-left:36pt;">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F =
on R4</div>
<a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"></a>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div>Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE messa=
ge has to include 100 pairs? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Linda</div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div>-----Original Message-----<br>

From: Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar<br>

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM<br>

To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;jun.hu@nokia.com&gt;; idr@ietf.o=
rg<br>

Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;paul@nohats.ca&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;kaduk@mit.e=
du&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br>

Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div>Jun, </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I have some questions on your draft:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with mor=
e detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&nbsp; &amp; SubnetA&lt;-&=
gt;Subnet C? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communica=
te ahead of time? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Linda</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>-----Original Message-----</div>
<div>From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf=
.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View)</div>
<div>Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM</div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a></div>
<div>Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats.c=
a</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mit.=
edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh=
.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div>Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ip=
sec-transport-mode-00.txt</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Hi,</div>
<div>Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode pr=
otected tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-=
ipsec-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP pr=
ovision IPsec config.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Review and comment will be appreciated. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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tf.org</a>&gt; </div>
<div>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM</div>
<div>To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@no=
kia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<=
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<div>Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transp=
ort-mode-00.txt</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<=
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<div>has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted to the IETF repos=
itory.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; draf=
t-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode</div>
<div>Revision:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00</div>
<div>Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BGP Provi=
sioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Configuration</div>
<div>Document date:&nbsp; 2019-10-10</div>
<div>Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Individua=
l Submission</div>
<div>Pages:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 7</div>
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Hi Linda,
I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? sinc=
e draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn't have figure 4;
"Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more de=
tailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C? "
 Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not sure I understand your 2nd pa=
rt of the question, but section 2.1 of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines=
 local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI could be used for local prefix)

"How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate a=
head of time? "
This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 and R2 belong to same ad=
min domain, so this kind of thing could be planned ahead; in other use case=
, if the remote prefix is not known or user want same Ipsec config for all =
remote prefix, then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-T=
LV


"In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upd=
ate from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?
"
As explained above, it could be done this way, but not necessary; it really=
 depends on granularity user case needs





From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain=
 View) <jun.hu@nokia.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca>; 'Benjamin Kaduk' <kaduk@mit.edu>; Susa=
n Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00=
.txt

Jun,

In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upda=
te from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?

Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of =
Linda Dunbar
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@noki=
a.com>>; idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt

Jun,

I have some questions on your draft:

Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more det=
ailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C?

How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate ah=
ead of time?

Linda


-----Original Message-----
From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of =
Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-t=
ransport-mode-00.txt

Hi,
Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode protect=
ed tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=
-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP provisi=
on IPsec config.

Review and comment will be appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
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rafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@noki=
a.com>>; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu=
@nokia.com>>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-m=
ode-00.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted to the IETF repository=
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Name:           draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode
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Title:          BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Confi=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun=
-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? since draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn&=
#8217;t have figure 4;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And h=
ave Tunnel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&=
nbsp; &amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not s=
ure I understand your 2<sup>nd</sup> part of the question, but section 2.1 =
of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI c=
ould be used for local prefix)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Su=
bnet B needs to communicate ahead of time? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 a=
nd R2 belong to same admin domain, so this kind of thing could be planned a=
head; in other use case, if the remote prefix is not known or user want sam=
e Ipsec config for all remote prefix,
 then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-TLV<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1=
, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&=
gt; pairs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As explained above, it could be done this way, but n=
ot necessary; it really depends on granularity user case needs &nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;linda.dunbar@futurewei=
.com&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;linda.dunbar@futurewei.com&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia =
- US/Mountain View) &lt;jun.hu@nokia.com&gt;; idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;paul@nohats.ca&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;kadu=
k@mit.edu&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-=
mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R=
3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&gt; pai=
rs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt; On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar<br>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM<br>
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.c=
om">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>=
&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</=
a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have some questions on your draft:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tun=
nel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&nbsp; &=
amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B =
needs to communicate ahead of time?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org=
">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain Vi=
ew)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats=
.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@m=
it.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndz=
h.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draf=
t-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec=
 transport mode protected tunnel config; this draft is in companion with dr=
aft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete soluti=
on of using BGP provision IPsec config.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Review and comment will be appreciated. <o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">in=
ternet-drafts@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">=
internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/=
Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>=
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-id=
r-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-tran=
sport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted=
 to the IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Revision:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00<o:p=
></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Configuratio=
n<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Document date:&nbsp; 2019-10-10<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pages:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; 7<o:p></o:p></p>
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Jun,
Thank you very much for the answers.  Yes, the questions are to draft-hujun=
-idr-bgp-ipsec-01.

Here are more questions:

  *   If I want to find the least set of information for a node to propagat=
e for IPsec tunnels to a set of nodes, can I use "Next Hop" field in the MP=
-NLRI for the Local Tunnel Endpoint? So the Tunnel-Encap Path Attribute doe=
sn't have to include the "Local Tunnel Endpoint Address" subTLV
  *   What is the difference between "Private Routing Instance" and "Child =
SA Traffic" selection? Can they be the same?
  *   Can the "Private Routing Instance" be listed as Routes in the MP-NLRI=
  Path Attribute?
  *   Under what circumstance that you will need "Public routing instance"?=
   especially, for a network with set of CPEs in one customer AS running as=
 Overlay and the routing instance is locally significant to the Customer do=
main.

Thank you.

Linda
From: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:13 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca>; 'Benjamin Kaduk' <kaduk@mit.edu>; Susa=
n Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00=
.txt

Hi Linda,
I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? sinc=
e draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn't have figure 4;
"Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more de=
tailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C? "
 Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not sure I understand your 2nd pa=
rt of the question, but section 2.1 of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines=
 local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI could be used for local prefix)

"How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate a=
head of time? "
This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 and R2 belong to same ad=
min domain, so this kind of thing could be planned ahead; in other use case=
, if the remote prefix is not known or user want same Ipsec config for all =
remote prefix, then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-T=
LV


"In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upd=
ate from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?
"
As explained above, it could be done this way, but not necessary; it really=
 depends on granularity user case needs





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To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.=
com>>; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@n=
okia.com>>; idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00=
.txt

Jun,

In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upda=
te from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?

Linda

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Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt

Jun,

I have some questions on your draft:

Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more det=
ailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C?

How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate ah=
ead of time?

Linda


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Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-t=
ransport-mode-00.txt

Hi,
Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode protect=
ed tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=
-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP provisi=
on IPsec config.

Review and comment will be appreciated.

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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-m=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you very much for the answers. &nbsp;Yes, the =
questions are to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here are more questions: <o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1">If I want to find the least set of information for a node to propagat=
e for IPsec tunnels to a set of nodes, can I use &#8220;Next Hop&#8221; fie=
ld in the MP-NLRI for the Local Tunnel Endpoint?
 So the Tunnel-Encap Path Attribute doesn&#8217;t have to include the &#822=
0;Local Tunnel Endpoint Address&#8221; subTLV<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"M=
soListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">What is =
the difference between &#8220;Private Routing Instance&#8221; and &#8220;Ch=
ild SA Traffic&#8221; selection? Can they be the same?
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Can the &#8220;Private Routing Instance&#8221; be lis=
ted as Routes in the MP-NLRI &nbsp;Path Attribute?
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Under what circumstance that you will need &#8220;Pub=
lic routing instance&#8221;? &nbsp;&nbsp;especially, for a network with set=
 of CPEs in one customer AS running as Overlay and the routing instance is
 locally significant to the Customer domain. <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;=
jun.hu@nokia.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 8:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;linda.dunbar@futurewei.com&gt;; idr@ietf.org<br=
>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;paul@nohats.ca&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;kadu=
k@mit.edu&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-=
mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun=
-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? since draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn&=
#8217;t have figure 4;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And h=
ave Tunnel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&=
nbsp; &amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not s=
ure I understand your 2<sup>nd</sup> part of the question, but section 2.1 =
of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI c=
ould be used for local prefix)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Su=
bnet B needs to communicate ahead of time? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 a=
nd R2 belong to same admin domain, so this kind of thing could be planned a=
head; in other use case, if the remote prefix is not known or user want sam=
e Ipsec config for all remote prefix,
 then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-TLV<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1=
, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&=
gt; pairs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As explained above, it could be done this way, but n=
ot necessary; it really depends on granularity user case needs &nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lind=
a.dunbar@futurewei.com">linda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com">l=
inda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats=
.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mi=
t.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@nd=
zh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-=
mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R=
3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&gt; pai=
rs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt; On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar<br>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM<br>
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.c=
om">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>=
&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</=
a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have some questions on your draft:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tun=
nel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&nbsp; &=
amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B =
needs to communicate ahead of time?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org=
">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain Vi=
ew)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats=
.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@m=
it.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndz=
h.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draf=
t-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec=
 transport mode protected tunnel config; this draft is in companion with dr=
aft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete soluti=
on of using BGP provision IPsec config.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Review and comment will be appreciated. <o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">in=
ternet-drafts@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">=
internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/=
Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>=
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-id=
r-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-tran=
sport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted=
 to the IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Revision:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00<o:p=
></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Configuratio=
n<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Document date:&nbsp; 2019-10-10<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pages:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; 7<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Abstract:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; This document defines a method of using=
 BGP to advertise IPsec<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; transport mode protected tunnel (like G=
RE tunnel with IPsec transport<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; mode protection) configuration along wi=
th NLRI, based on<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps] and [I-D.h=
ujun-idr-bgp-ipsec].<o:p></o:p></p>
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The Inter-Domain Routing Working Group is chartered to standardize, develop,
and support the Border Gateway Protocol Version 4 (BGP-4)  [RFC 4271]
capable of supporting policy based routing for TCP/IP Internets. The main
objective of the working group is to support the use of BGP-4 by IP version
4 and IP version 6 networks. The working group will continue to work on
improving the robustness, scalability, deployability, manageability, and
security of BGP.

 

BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other
working groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and
other) groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when
another working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR should
be informed. In particular, if another working group requests allocation of
a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be consulted as soon
as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters group is the most
notable example of such registries. In general, protocol changes should be
progressed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible mechanisms need only
notification to IDR

 

BGP is an enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other
working groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and
other) groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when
another working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR should
be informed. In particular, if another working group requests allocation of
a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be consulted as soon
as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters group is the most
notable example of such registries. In general, protocol changes should be
progressed through IDR, whereas uses of extensible mechanisms need only
notification to IDR.

 

---------------

 

This is the text from IETF 105 on the IDR charter.   I received feedback at
the meeting on the asking that if the words "consulted" and "informed'
implied approval.   The words consulted and informed mean the English
definition of those words.

 

The charter WG LC only refers to the text above.  The IDR chairs will set
milestone for the IDR WG based on feedback from the IDR WG.     These
milestones can change as rapidly as the WG gives concrete feedback (3-4
weeks to months).    No additional feedback on the milestones have been
given since IETF 105.   

 

The BGP status reports have been sent every 2-3 weeks, and seem to have been
useful.   Please continue to send priorities on documents to the WG chairs.
Please continue to send feedback on the mail list. 

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 


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and support the Border Gateway Protocol Version 4 (BGP-4)&nbsp; [RFC =
4271] capable of supporting policy based routing for TCP/IP Internets. =
The main objective of the working group is to support the use of BGP-4 =
by IP version 4 and IP version 6 networks. The working group will =
continue to work on improving the robustness, scalability, =
deployability, manageability, and security of BGP.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BGP is an =
enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other working =
groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and other) =
groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when =
another working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR =
should be informed. In particular, if another working group requests =
allocation of a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be =
consulted as soon as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) =
Parameters group is the most notable example of such registries. In =
general, protocol changes should be progressed through IDR, whereas uses =
of extensible mechanisms need only notification to IDR<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BGP is an =
enabling protocol or subject of interest for a number of other working =
groups, including BESS, LSVR, LSR, SIDROPS, and GROW. Those (and other) =
groups may develop standards that make use of BGP. IDR asks that when =
another working group proposes changes and additions to BGP, that IDR =
should be informed. In particular, if another working group requests =
allocation of a code point from a BGP protocol registry, IDR should be =
consulted as soon as possible. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) =
Parameters group is the most notable example of such registries. In =
general, protocol changes should be progressed through IDR, whereas uses =
of extensible mechanisms need only notification to IDR.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This is the =
text from IETF 105 on the IDR charter.&nbsp;&nbsp; I received feedback =
at the meeting on the asking that if the words &#8220;consulted&#8221; =
and &#8220;informed&#8217; implied approval.&nbsp;&nbsp; The words =
consulted and informed mean the English definition of those =
words.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The charter WG LC only refers to the text above.&nbsp; =
The IDR chairs will set milestone for the IDR WG based on feedback from =
the IDR WG.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;These milestones can change as =
rapidly as the WG gives concrete feedback (3-4 weeks to months).&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;No additional feedback on the milestones have been given =
since IETF 105.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The BGP =
status reports have been sent every 2-3 weeks, and seem to have been =
useful. &nbsp;&nbsp;Please continue to send priorities on documents to =
the WG chairs.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Please continue to send feedback on the =
mail list. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheerily, Susan Hares =
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Thank you for all your input on =
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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Greetings IDR:=20

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This is a second WG adoption call.=20

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This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752=20

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from Designated Expert to  Expert Review. =20

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idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG adoption of =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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instructions for RFC7752 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>&quot;Border Gateway Protocol =E2=80=93 Link =
&nbsp;&nbsp;State (BGP-LS) Parameters =
Registry&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt
from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]. 

 

You can obtain the draft at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

 

Consider in your review whether this draft: 

 

1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt? 

2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification

3)      Is this technology ready for deployment? 

4)      Is the write-up of this technology in
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begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt =
from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You can =
obtain the draft at:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-red=
irect/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-red=
irect/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Consider in your review whether this draft: =
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Greetings IDR:=20

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This is an extension of the WG LC (10/30 to 11/13/2019) to 11/24/2019.   =
 This is the second attempt at WG LC that has received little or no =
comment on IDR.   =20

=20

Is the conclusion that this chair should draw is that there is no =
interest in publishing this draft?  Please comment to the list =
publically or privately to the chairs.=20

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Thank you,=20

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Susan Hares=20

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This begins a 2 week WG last call for =
draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-09.txt.=20

=20

The first thing the authors need to do during the WG LC is to indicate =
whether the protocol implementation report  on this draft is accurate on =
the IDR Wiki:

=20

 =
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution%20imp=
lementations

=20

The IDR WG needs to know whether the 4 implementations indicated (2 =
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publically or privately to the chairs. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
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</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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RFC Editor - in extended auth-48 

 

.          <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8654/> RFC 8654 - Extended
Message Support (published) 

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27 [auth-48] -   



At RFC editor - missing reference  

.
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext/
> draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16  

.         Draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt 

 

Sent to IESG for publication 

Status: [3 awaiting Alvaro's Review] 

 

.          <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/>
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14 - sent to IESG 

Shepherd: John Scudder 

Status: Awaiting Alvaro's review [33 days]

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-08.txt

[Shepherd: Susan Hares]

Status: awaiting Alvaro's review [33 days]

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt 

[Shepherd: Susan Hares]

                Status: awaiting Alvaro's review [33 days] 

 

AD's Comments need to be resolved: [3] 

.         draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 - response to Alvaro Retana 

response sent to Alvaro 

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12

Status: Susan Hares Needs to talk to author 

Note: Change of document to PS for applicability work 

 

.
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflectio
n/> draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19

Status: Susan Hares shepherd review pending 

Note: Change of document to PS for applicability work  

 

WG LC done - needing adjustments before submission to IESG 

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis.04.txt  [Shepherd: Susan Hares] 

        Next Steps:  Nits away from being submitted

        Still waiting for Draft -06.txt - with IANA nits fixed.

 

.         Draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param [Shepherd: Susan Hares]  

Next Steps:  

a)      Fix implementation report: awaiting authors fix - so shepherd report
can complete 

b)      Shepherd review - hopefully this week if implementation report fix. 

 

In WG LC: 

.         draft-idr-eag-distribution-09.txt - 

Shepherd: Susan Hares 

Status:  [10/30/2019 to 11/13/2019] - extended for 1 week to 11/24. 

                Note: This is the 2nd time this draft has been WG LC with
little or no response. 

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-09

Shepherd: Susan Hares 

Status:  in WG last call [11/17/2019 to 12/2/109] 

 

In Adopted: 

.          <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd/>
draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05   as draft-ietf-idr-rpd-00.txt 

.         Note:   The draft was note really related to flow specification. 

 

 

In Early Allocation: 

.         draft-ietf-idr-te-lsp-distribution- approved by Alvaro,  

As far as I can tell - it is still waiting for expert review.  

 

.         draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-nv03-06.txt - solution determined by 

                 Designated Experts and author.    IETF 106 presentation on
the revised. 

 

 

Please let me know if I have missed anything.   

If you are planning a WG LC or an adoption call, please let me know via
email. 

 

Cheerily - Sue Hares 

 


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style=3D'color:#1F497D'> &#8211; in extended auth-48 </span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8654/"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:=
none'>RFC 8654</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#222222;background:white'>&nbsp;&#8211; =
Extended Message Support (published) </span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27 [auth-48] =
&#8211; </span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>At RFC editor &#8211; missing reference =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-ro=
uting-ext/"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:=
none'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-16</span></a>&nbsp; =
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
dir=3DLTR></span>Draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-epe-19.txt <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sent to IESG for =
publication <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Status: [3 awaiting Alvaro&#8217;s Review] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/"><=
span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:=
none'>draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14</span></a> - sent to IESG <span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in'>Shepherd: John Scudder =
<span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Statu=
s: Awaiting Alvaro&#8217;s review [</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>33 =
days]</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>draft=
-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-08.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>[Shep=
herd: Susan Hares]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Statu=
s: awaiting Alvaro&#8217;s review [</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>33 =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>days]=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>draft=
-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-05.txt <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>[Shep=
herd: Susan Hares]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; Status: awaiting Alvaro&#8217;s review [</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>33 =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>days]=
 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>AD&#8=
217;s Comments need to be resolved: [3] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 =
lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>draft=
-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-17 &#8211; response to Alvaro Retana =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>respo=
nse sent to Alvaro <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>draft=
-ietf-idr-bgp-bestpath-selection-criteria-12<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Statu=
s: Susan Hares Needs to talk to author <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Note:=
 Change of document to PS for applicability work =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Symbol'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route=
-reflection/"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:=
none'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-19</span></a><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Statu=
s: Susan Hares shepherd review pending <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Note:=
 Change of document to PS for applicability work =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>WG =
LC done &#8211; needing adjustments before submission to IESG =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis.04.txt &nbsp;[Shepherd: Susan Hares] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Next Steps: =
&nbsp;Nits away from being submitted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.25in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Still waiting for =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Draft -06.txt &#8211; with IANA nits fixed.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param [Shepherd: Susan Hares] =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Next Steps:&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo10'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Fix implementation report</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'>: awaiting authors fix &#8211; so shepherd report can =
complete </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo10'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Shepherd review</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'> &#8211; hopefully this week if implementation report fix. =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>In WG LC: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>draft-idr-eag-distribution-09.txt &#8211; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Shepherd: Susan Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Status: </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;[10/30/2019 to 11/13/2019] &#8211; extended for 1 week =
to 11/24. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; Note: This is the 2<sup>nd</sup> time this draft has been =
WG LC with little or no response. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-09<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Shepherd: Susan Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>Status: </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;in WG last call [11/17/2019 to 12/2/109] </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>In Adopt</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'>ed: </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo12'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:ZH-CN'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><a =
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none'>draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd-05</span></a>&nbsp; <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;as draft-ietf-idr-rpd-00.txt </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
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style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Note:&nbsp;&nbsp; The draft was note really =
related to flow specification. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
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style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>As far as I can tell =
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Greetings,

As a network operator we often don=E2=80=99t know if our ISPs are =
accepting the routes we send to them.  This makes it difficult at times =
for operators to debug things.  This is a first stab at a draft to try =
and propose a method to have the remote device echo back some route =
counts (and possibly NLRI) that were both accepted and rejected by the =
remote speaker.

It=E2=80=99s got a few things that I know need to be fixed at minimum, =
but I wanted to share this more broadly now.

I=E2=80=99m interested in feedback and ready to accept your arrows.

- Jared

> URL:            =
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> Abstract:
>   This document defines a method to receive accepted and rejected NLRI
>   over a BGP peering session.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Extended
      Optional Parameters Length for BGP OPEN Message
        Authors         : Enke Chen
                          John Scudder
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-ext-opt-param-08.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2019-11-18

Abstract:
   The Optional Parameters in the BGP OPEN message as defined in the
   base BGP specification are limited to 255 octets due to a one-octet
   length field.  BGP Capabilities are carried in this field and may
   foreseeably exceed 255 octets in the future, leading to concern about
   this limitation.

   In this document we update RFC 4271 by extending, in a backward-
   compatible manner, the length of the Optional Parameters in the BGP
   OPEN.  The Parameter Length field of individual Optional Parameters
   is also extended.


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Hi Jared,

As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous work and
even IDR WG document:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00

So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two options:

*A*  You think  that what we specified in operational message is too much

*B* You think that we will never need more information to be exchanged in
an informational manner between eBGP peers

If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those "additional
information" as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed with
the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for implementation ?

As to your document - few questions/observations:

* new message likely will require new capability.

* "Unknown IANA Considerations" is a new one :)

* How much does it help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your prefix but
it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?

* What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligible for
best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badly by
origin validation ?

Thx,
Robert.





On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:54 AM Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> As a network operator we often don=E2=80=99t know if our ISPs are accepti=
ng the
> routes we send to them.  This makes it difficult at times for operators t=
o
> debug things.  This is a first stab at a draft to try and propose a metho=
d
> to have the remote device echo back some route counts (and possibly NLRI)
> that were both accepted and rejected by the remote speaker.
>
> It=E2=80=99s got a few things that I know need to be fixed at minimum, bu=
t I
> wanted to share this more broadly now.
>
> I=E2=80=99m interested in feedback and ready to accept your arrows.
>
> - Jared
>
> > URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00.txt
> > Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted/
> > Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00
> > Htmlized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted
> >
> > Abstract:
> >   This document defines a method to receive accepted and rejected NLRI
> >   over a BGP peering session.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jared,<div><br></div><div>As you know what you are aski=
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iv><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-id=
r-operational-message-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operat=
ional-message-00</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>So as you are defining =
new BGP message anyway I take there are two options:=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>*A*=C2=A0 You think=C2=A0 that what we specified in operational me=
ssage is too much=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>*B* You think that=C2=
=A0we will never need more information to be exchanged in an informational =
manner between eBGP peers</div><div><br></div><div>If *A* would you think t=
hat clearly making all of those &quot;additional information&quot; as optio=
nal would fix the=C2=A0problem and we could proceed with the IDR WG draft i=
n terms of asking for implementation ?=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>A=
s to your document - few questions/observations:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>=
<div>* new message likely will require new capability.=C2=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div>* &quot;Unknown IANA Considerations&quot; is a new one :)=C2=A0<=
/div><div><br></div><div>* How much does it help to know that peer&#39;s AS=
BR accepted your prefix but it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>* What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by=
 policy ? Not eligible for best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD i=
s there ? Marked badly by origin validation ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Thx,</div><div>Robert.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:54 AM Jared Mauch &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jared@puck.nether.net">jared@puck.nether.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Greetings,<br>
<br>
As a network operator we often don=E2=80=99t know if our ISPs are accepting=
 the routes we send to them.=C2=A0 This makes it difficult at times for ope=
rators to debug things.=C2=A0 This is a first stab at a draft to try and pr=
opose a method to have the remote device echo back some route counts (and p=
ossibly NLRI) that were both accepted and rejected by the remote speaker.<b=
r>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s got a few things that I know need to be fixed at minimum, but =
I wanted to share this more broadly now.<br>
<br>
I=E2=80=99m interested in feedback and ready to accept your arrows.<br>
<br>
- Jared<br>
<br>
&gt; URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.i=
etf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-acc=
epted-00.txt</a><br>
&gt; Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted/</a><br>
&gt; Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/=
html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00</a><br>
&gt; Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a method to receive accepted and rej=
ected NLRI<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0over a BGP peering session.<br>
<br>
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Dear Robert,

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:28 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous work and even IDR WG document:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00
>
> So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two options:
> *A*  You think  that what we specified in operational message is too much
> *B* You think that we will never need more information to be exchanged in an informational manner between eBGP peers
>
> If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those "additional information" as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed with the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for implementation ?

You raise good points, I'll park this architectural question for
broader discussion on where we as a group want to go.

> As to your document - few questions/observations:
>
> * new message likely will require new capability.
> * "Unknown IANA Considerations" is a new one :)

Yup, that is plumbing that needs to happen. We'll get a revision out
to address these points so a more complete proposal is on the table.

> * How much does it help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your prefix but it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?

In Internet routing operations, the common occurrence of the debugging
action we are trying to optimize is "are you accepting my route" and
much rarer "are you exporting it in the right places". While the
latter question is interesting, I don't see answering that question as
important as the first one. The latter one is oftentimes easily
validated by Internet-wide looking glasses, where as the first
instance has a stronger dependency on the adjacent network providing
(public) looking glass services.

> * What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligible for best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badly by origin validation ?

Yes, good point, this should be clarified. The intention here is at
least "rejected by policy" and "failed to pass origin validation check
(which is a variant of 'rejected by policy'). However, it would be
good to hear more feedback on whether routes that are not considered
in the best path selection process due to an incorrect NEXT_HOP (or
AS_PATH loop, or whatever) should be communicated back as part of this
feature or not

Kind regards,

Job


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There are varying desires from operators. It may be as simple as a count to t=
he list of accepted or rejected NLRI.=20

If you look at the text the desire is to know is this path eligible for sele=
ction. That is accepted.=20

Sent from my iCar

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi Jared,
>=20
> As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous work and e=
ven IDR WG document:=20
>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00=20
>=20
> So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two options=
:=20
>=20
> *A*  You think  that what we specified in operational message is too much=20=

>=20
> *B* You think that we will never need more information to be exchanged in a=
n informational manner between eBGP peers
>=20
> If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those "additional inform=
ation" as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed with the IDR W=
G draft in terms of asking for implementation ?=20
>=20
> As to your document - few questions/observations:=20
>=20
> * new message likely will require new capability.=20
>=20
> * "Unknown IANA Considerations" is a new one :)=20
>=20
> * How much does it help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your prefix but i=
t got filtered on egress of peering AS ?=20
>=20
> * What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligible fo=
r best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badly by o=
rigin validation ?=20
>=20
> Thx,
> Robert.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:54 AM Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote=
:
>> Greetings,
>>=20
>> As a network operator we often don=E2=80=99t know if our ISPs are accepti=
ng the routes we send to them.  This makes it difficult at times for operato=
rs to debug things.  This is a first stab at a draft to try and propose a me=
thod to have the remote device echo back some route counts (and possibly NLR=
I) that were both accepted and rejected by the remote speaker.
>>=20
>> It=E2=80=99s got a few things that I know need to be fixed at minimum, bu=
t I wanted to share this more broadly now.
>>=20
>> I=E2=80=99m interested in feedback and ready to accept your arrows.
>>=20
>> - Jared
>>=20
>> > URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-ac=
cepted-00.txt
>> > Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mauch-bgp-accept=
ed/
>> > Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00=

>> > Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-a=
ccepted
>> >=20
>> > Abstract:
>> >   This document defines a method to receive accepted and rejected NLRI
>> >   over a BGP peering session.
>>=20
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>> Idr mailing list
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">There are varying desires from operators. I=
t may be as simple as a count to the list of accepted or rejected NLRI.&nbsp=
;<div><br></div><div>If you look at the text the desire is to know is this p=
ath eligible for selection. That is accepted.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Sent from my iCar</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov=
 18, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Robert Raszuk &lt;robert@raszuk.net&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jared,<div><br></div><div>As you know what you are asking fo=
r has been covered by previous work and even IDR WG document:&nbsp;</div><di=
v><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-opera=
tional-message-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-me=
ssage-00</a>&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So as you are defining new BGP m=
essage anyway I take there are two options:&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>*=
A*&nbsp; You think&nbsp; that what we specified in operational message is to=
o much&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div>*B* You think that&nbsp;we will ne=
ver need more information to be exchanged in an informational manner between=
 eBGP peers</div><div><br></div><div>If *A* would you think that clearly mak=
ing all of those "additional information" as optional would fix the&nbsp;pro=
blem and we could proceed with the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for imple=
mentation ?&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div>As to your document - few que=
stions/observations:&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>* new message likely wil=
l require new capability.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>* "Unknown IANA Con=
siderations" is a new one :)&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>* How much does i=
t help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your prefix but it got filtered on e=
gress of peering AS ?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>* What is the definitio=
n of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligible for best path ? Not inserte=
d into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badly by origin validation ?&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thx,</div><div>Robert.</div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:54 AM Jared M=
auch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jared@puck.nether.net">jared@puck.nether.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Greetin=
gs,<br>
<br>
As a network operator we often don=E2=80=99t know if our ISPs are accepting t=
he routes we send to them.&nbsp; This makes it difficult at times for operat=
ors to debug things.&nbsp; This is a first stab at a draft to try and propos=
e a method to have the remote device echo back some route counts (and possib=
ly NLRI) that were both accepted and rejected by the remote speaker.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s got a few things that I know need to be fixed at minimum, but I=
 wanted to share this more broadly now.<br>
<br>
I=E2=80=99m interested in feedback and ready to accept your arrows.<br>
<br>
- Jared<br>
<br>
&gt; URL:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.ie=
tf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mauch-bgp-accept=
ed-00.txt</a><br>
&gt; Status:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://datatracker=
.ietf.org/doc/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
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&gt; Htmlized:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:=
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&gt; Htmlized:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf=
.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mauch-bgp-accepted</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;This document defines a method to receive accepted and reje=
cted NLRI<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;over a BGP peering session.<br>
<br>
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Hey Job,

> The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking
glasses

Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by
looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question -
why not to just look at peer's looking glass ?

So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a
looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that could
be all GROW WG thing too :)

I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet if
we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each
transit AS.

Thx,
R.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> wrote:

> Dear Robert,
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:28 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous work
> and even IDR WG document:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00
> >
> > So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two
> options:
> > *A*  You think  that what we specified in operational message is too much
> > *B* You think that we will never need more information to be exchanged
> in an informational manner between eBGP peers
> >
> > If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those "additional
> information" as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed with
> the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for implementation ?
>
> You raise good points, I'll park this architectural question for
> broader discussion on where we as a group want to go.
>
> > As to your document - few questions/observations:
> >
> > * new message likely will require new capability.
> > * "Unknown IANA Considerations" is a new one :)
>
> Yup, that is plumbing that needs to happen. We'll get a revision out
> to address these points so a more complete proposal is on the table.
>
> > * How much does it help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your prefix
> but it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?
>
> In Internet routing operations, the common occurrence of the debugging
> action we are trying to optimize is "are you accepting my route" and
> much rarer "are you exporting it in the right places". While the
> latter question is interesting, I don't see answering that question as
> important as the first one. The latter one is oftentimes easily
> validated by Internet-wide looking glasses, where as the first
> instance has a stronger dependency on the adjacent network providing
> (public) looking glass services.
>
> > * What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligible
> for best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badly
> by origin validation ?
>
> Yes, good point, this should be clarified. The intention here is at
> least "rejected by policy" and "failed to pass origin validation check
> (which is a variant of 'rejected by policy'). However, it would be
> good to hear more feedback on whether routes that are not considered
> in the best path selection process due to an incorrect NEXT_HOP (or
> AS_PATH loop, or whatever) should be communicated back as part of this
> feature or not
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Job,<div><br></div><div>&gt; The latter one is oftenti=
mes easily validated by Internet-wide looking glasses=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could=
 be addressed by looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my =
first question - why not to just=C2=A0look at peer&#39;s looking glass ?=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say=
 that each AS should run a looking glass server holding all paths and decla=
re victory ? And=C2=A0that could be all GROW WG thing too :)=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in=
 the Internet if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at =
least for each transit AS.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thx,</div><div>R.=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM Job Snijders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j=
ob@instituut.net">job@instituut.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Robert,<br>
<br>
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:28 AM Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@=
raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous work =
and even IDR WG document:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-mess=
age-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two opt=
ions:<br>
&gt; *A*=C2=A0 You think=C2=A0 that what we specified in operational messag=
e is too much<br>
&gt; *B* You think that we will never need more information to be exchanged=
 in an informational manner between eBGP peers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those &quot;addition=
al information&quot; as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed=
 with the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for implementation ?<br>
<br>
You raise good points, I&#39;ll park this architectural question for<br>
broader discussion on where we as a group want to go.<br>
<br>
&gt; As to your document - few questions/observations:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; * new message likely will require new capability.<br>
&gt; * &quot;Unknown IANA Considerations&quot; is a new one :)<br>
<br>
Yup, that is plumbing that needs to happen. We&#39;ll get a revision out<br=
>
to address these points so a more complete proposal is on the table.<br>
<br>
&gt; * How much does it help to know that peer&#39;s ASBR accepted your pre=
fix but it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?<br>
<br>
In Internet routing operations, the common occurrence of the debugging<br>
action we are trying to optimize is &quot;are you accepting my route&quot; =
and<br>
much rarer &quot;are you exporting it in the right places&quot;. While the<=
br>
latter question is interesting, I don&#39;t see answering that question as<=
br>
important as the first one. The latter one is oftentimes easily<br>
validated by Internet-wide looking glasses, where as the first<br>
instance has a stronger dependency on the adjacent network providing<br>
(public) looking glass services.<br>
<br>
&gt; * What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not eligibl=
e for best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? Marked badl=
y by origin validation ?<br>
<br>
Yes, good point, this should be clarified. The intention here is at<br>
least &quot;rejected by policy&quot; and &quot;failed to pass origin valida=
tion check<br>
(which is a variant of &#39;rejected by policy&#39;). However, it would be<=
br>
good to hear more feedback on whether routes that are not considered<br>
in the best path selection process due to an incorrect NEXT_HOP (or<br>
AS_PATH loop, or whatever) should be communicated back as part of this<br>
feature or not<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Job<br>
</blockquote></div>

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> On Nov 18, 2019, at 4:50 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>=20
> Hey Job,
>=20
> > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide =
looking glasses =20
>=20
> Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed =
by looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first =
question - why not to just look at peer's looking glass ?=20

I may have more than one session with the provider and need to know on a =
per-session basis.

> So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run =
a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that =
could be all GROW WG thing too :)=20

Sure, I=E2=80=99m sure the GROW chairs would welcome a draft.

> I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the =
Internet if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at =
least for each transit AS.=20

I welcome you to open issues/suggestions (Job poked me about the =
existing GitHub page we have) here:

https://github.com/bgp/draft-mauch-idr-accepted-prefixes/issues

I can think of several things that people have suggested that I add =
including:

ack on a per-prefix/update basis
dump list of prefixes accepted
dump list of prefixes rejected
dump just counts of accepted/rejected
or perhaps variants of all of these.  (i also heard =E2=80=9Ci want to =
know if it=E2=80=99s the best-path and installed in fib=E2=80=9D).

I think when we=E2=80=99re trying to write this, we should be focusing =
on what is minimally possible to do vs trying to enumerate them all.=20

My intent here is to just know =E2=80=9Cdoes this pass the policy =
engine=E2=80=9D, not did it win best path, etc.  We (akamai) see our ISP =
providers not always accept our prefixes but it=E2=80=99s not clear =
until you=E2=80=99re already in that failure case.  We would like to =
improve the ability to QA on our routing, which since each LG has a =
different API makes things often infeasible to scale.

- Jared

>=20
> Thx,
> R.
>=20
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> =
wrote:
> Dear Robert,
>=20
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:28 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> =
wrote:
> > As you know what you are asking for has been covered by previous =
work and even IDR WG document:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00
> >
> > So as you are defining new BGP message anyway I take there are two =
options:
> > *A*  You think  that what we specified in operational message is too =
much
> > *B* You think that we will never need more information to be =
exchanged in an informational manner between eBGP peers
> >
> > If *A* would you think that clearly making all of those "additional =
information" as optional would fix the problem and we could proceed with =
the IDR WG draft in terms of asking for implementation ?
>=20
> You raise good points, I'll park this architectural question for
> broader discussion on where we as a group want to go.
>=20
> > As to your document - few questions/observations:
> >
> > * new message likely will require new capability.
> > * "Unknown IANA Considerations" is a new one :)
>=20
> Yup, that is plumbing that needs to happen. We'll get a revision out
> to address these points so a more complete proposal is on the table.
>=20
> > * How much does it help to know that peer's ASBR accepted your =
prefix but it got filtered on egress of peering AS ?
>=20
> In Internet routing operations, the common occurrence of the debugging
> action we are trying to optimize is "are you accepting my route" and
> much rarer "are you exporting it in the right places". While the
> latter question is interesting, I don't see answering that question as
> important as the first one. The latter one is oftentimes easily
> validated by Internet-wide looking glasses, where as the first
> instance has a stronger dependency on the adjacent network providing
> (public) looking glass services.
>=20
> > * What is the definition of rejected ? Dropped by policy ? Not =
eligible for best path ? Not inserted into RIB as better AD is there ? =
Marked badly by origin validation ?
>=20
> Yes, good point, this should be clarified. The intention here is at
> least "rejected by policy" and "failed to pass origin validation check
> (which is a variant of 'rejected by policy'). However, it would be
> good to hear more feedback on whether routes that are not considered
> in the best path selection process due to an incorrect NEXT_HOP (or
> AS_PATH loop, or whatever) should be communicated back as part of this
> feature or not
>=20
> Kind regards,
>=20
> Job


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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking glasses
>
> Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question - why not to just look at peer's looking glass ?

Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,
nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP
Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this
functionality has proven to be insufficient.

> So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that could be all GROW WG thing too :)

That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable solution.

> I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each transit AS.

Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've
pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide
looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not
ubiquitous.

Another observation is that in the "IP Transit Carrier" segment of the
market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see
similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the
latter category is not interested in running & maintaining looking
glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from
exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating
a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share
debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different
orgs.

Kind regards,

Job


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Per IDR mic comment, copying once again to IDR since I mis-laid the mail.
My apologies, Haibo.

If I understand your comment correctly, your question is "how do you bind a
given routing instance (e.g. VRF) to a given BGP session?"

If so, I think you are correct.  We do not have a clean way to specify this.
It may also have impacts on the network instancing model in general.  Let us
raise the issue with netmod working group.

-- Jeff

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:39:17AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>  
>  Thanks for your reply. 
> 
>  I have read this example. But it doesn't solve my doubts. 
>  If I have two public bgp instance like this:
>     "ietf-routing:routing": {
>        "router-id": "192.0.2.1",
>        "control-plane-protocols": {
>          "control-plane-protocol": [
>            {
>              "type": "ietf-routing:bgp",
>              "name": "bgp0",
>              "description": 
>                "Bgp for CustomerA.",
>              "bgp": {
> 			 "neighbors":{
> 			  "neighbor":[
> 			    {
> 				 "remote-address":"192.0.2.1",
>                    "peer-as":"64497"
> 	               "afi-safis":{
>                      "afi-safi":[
>                        "afi-safi-name":"bt:l3vpn-ipv4-unicast"
>                       ]
>                     }
> 			    }	
> 			   ]
> 		      }
>               }
>            }
> 		 ]
>          "control-plane-protocol": [
>            {
>              "type": "ietf-routing:bgp",
>              "name": "bgp1",
>              "description":
>                "Static routing is used for the internal network.",
>              "bgp": {
> 			 "neighbors":{
> 			  "neighbor":[
> 			    {
> 				 "remote-address":"192.0.3.1",
>                    "peer-as":"64497"
> 	               "afi-safis":{
>                      "afi-safi":[
>                        "afi-safi-name":"bt:l2vpn-evpn"
>                       ]
>                     }
> 			    }	
> 			   ]
> 		      }
>               } 
>             }
>          ]
>        },
>    
>  And I have two vrf instance like :
>     "ietf-network-instance:network-instances": {
>       "network-instance": [
>         {
>           "name": "vrf-old",
>            ...
>         }
>        ]
>       }
>     "ietf-network-instance:network-instances": {
>       "network-instance": [
>         {
>           "name": "vrf-new",
>            ...
>         }
>        ]
>       }
> 
>   I want to specify the vrf-old use bgp0 to advertise routes using l3vpn-ipv4-unicast, and use bgp1 for vrf-new to advertise routes using l2vpn-evpn with type5.
>   So how can I do this ?
> 
> Regards,
> Haibo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:39 AM
> To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
> Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model
> 
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:32:01PM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> > Hi authors,
> > 
> > I have some question about the bgp model.
> > 
> > In current model, the bgp module will augment to routing,
> >      /rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols
> >                /rt:control-plane-protocol:
> > And the routing will schema mount to network-instance.
> > 
> > In this model, how to realize the multiple bgp public instance, like that
> > 
> > bgp instance 1 as-number 100
> >   neighbor 2.2.2.2
> > address-family vpn-ipv4
> >   vrf vpn1
> > neighbor 11.1.1.1
> >   address-family ipv4
> > 
> > bgp instance 2 as-number 200
> >   neighbor 3.3.3.3
> > address-family vpn-ipv4
> >   vrf vpn2
> > neighbor 12.1.1.1
> >   address-family ipv4
> > 
> > Bgp doesn't like ospf or isis, the vrf's bgp will associate to public bgp's special address family.
> > I'm not find how to describe the associate in current model
> 
> The bgp model uses NMDA:
>   augment "/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/"
>         + "rt:control-plane-protocol" {
> 
> You may find this example from RFC 8349 helpful:
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8349
> 
> : Appendix D.  Data Tree Example
> : [...]
> : 
> : 
> :      "ietf-routing:routing": {
> :        "router-id": "192.0.2.1",
> :        "control-plane-protocols": {
> :          "control-plane-protocol": [
> :            {
> :              "type": "ietf-routing:static",
> :              "name": "st0",
> :              "description":
> :                "Static routing is used for the internal network.",
> :  
> 
> The definition of control plane protocols permits multi-instancing via name:
> 
> :        container control-plane-protocols {
> :          description
> :            "Support for control-plane protocol instances.";
> :          list control-plane-protocol {
> :            key "type name";
> :            description
> 
> -- Jeff


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Applying BGP flowspec rules on a specific interface set
        Authors         : Stephane Litkowski
                          Adam Simpson
                          Keyur Patel
                          Jeffrey Haas
                          Lucy Yong
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-interfaceset-05.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2019-11-18

Abstract:
   The BGP Flow Specification (flowspec) Network Layer Reachability
   Information (BGP NLRI) extension (draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis) is used
   to distribute traffic flow specifications into BGP.  The primary
   application of this extension is the distribution of traffic
   filtering policies for the mitigation of distributed denial of
   service (DDoS) attacks.

   By default, flow specification filters are applied on all forwarding
   interfaces that are enabled for use by the BGP flowspec extension.  A
   network operator may wish to apply a given filter selectively to a
   subset of interfaces based on an internal classification scheme.
   Examples of this include "all customer interfaces", "all peer
   interfaces", "all transit interfaces", etc.

   This document defines BGP Extended Communities (RFC4360) that allow
   such filters to be selectively applied to sets of forwarding
   interfaces sharing a common group identifier.  The BGP Extended
   Communities carrying this group identifier are referred to as the BGP
   Flowspec "interface-set" Extended Communities.



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Dear WG,

I would like to highlight the change to IANA registry which is
being discussed here.

So far flowspec 5575 and 5575bis focused on solving one real problem -
mitigation of DDoS attacks which we are all experiencing daily with
different strength.

With that SAFI 133 and 134 have consistently defined types to describe L3
packets match criteria.

I do not understand why now we are to take SAFI 134 and load 13 new types
on it to define completely irrelevant to FlowSpec original goal L2 packet
match criteria.

Yes implementation may use AFI 25 and SAFI 134 to distinguish it from AFI 1
or 2 and SAFI 134, but it is introducing pure mess and architecturally it
is just ugly.

Moreover the draft in question while defining the protocol extension fails
to identify even a single valid use case for it. L2 VPNs are usually
private and I am not sure about others but I never seen a L2VPN DDoS other
then BPDUs on LAN's spanning tree. I am sure using BGP to mitigate those
type of attacks is an innovative one.

So clearly this has nothing to do with DDoS mitigation, and this is pure
BGP policy push extension.

The draft also skips over fundamental reason why we have SAFI 134 in the
first place. When we run L3VPNs customer may detect a DDoS and signal with
SAFI 133 to a PE about it then PE carries it within SAFI 134 across all PEs
(modulo RTC) where filters may be installed in proper VPNs or pushed again
with SAFI 133 to remote CEs.

Here in L2VPN what protocol will be used to signal DDoS between PE & CE ?
Email ?

Is BGP really now not only Link State transport,  but also configuration
push and ACL push protocol ? Where is this going ? Just because we have a
TCP session there does it make it good idea to load so much new extensions
on top of it ? Oh I forgot the drafts which BGP as an SDN signalling
protocol :).

I would like to reiterate Acee's question - Do we really need to put into
BGP all possible packet formats to transport filters with it around ?

Even if some will say - sure - please separate this via new extension and
new name leaving original FlowSpec to at least have the chance to do what
it intended to do in the first place.

Kind regards,
Robert

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ts match criteria.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I do not understand=C2=A0=
why now we are to take SAFI 134 and load 13 new types on it to define compl=
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=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Yes implementation may use AFI 25 and SAFI =
134 to distinguish it from AFI 1 or 2 and SAFI 134, but it is introducing=
=C2=A0pure mess and architecturally=C2=A0it is just ugly.=C2=A0</div><div><=
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tension fails to identify=C2=A0even a single valid use case for it. L2 VPNs=
 are usually private and I am not sure about others but I never seen a L2VP=
N DDoS other then BPDUs on LAN&#39;s spanning tree. I am sure using BGP to =
mitigate those type of attacks is an innovative one.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
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) where filters may be installed in proper VPNs or pushed again with SAFI 1=
33 to remote CEs.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Here in L2VPN what protoco=
l will be used to signal DDoS between PE &amp; CE ? Email ?=C2=A0</div><div=
><br></div><div>Is BGP really now not only Link State transport,=C2=A0 but =
also configuration push and ACL push protocol ? Where is this going ? Just =
because we have a TCP session there does it make it good idea to load so mu=
ch new extensions on top of it ? Oh I forgot the drafts which BGP as an SDN=
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terate Acee&#39;s question - Do we really need to put into BGP all possible=
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/div><div>Even if some will say - sure - please separate this via new exten=
sion and new name leaving original FlowSpec to at least have the chance to =
do what it intended to do in the first place.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
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My comments in line

From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:13 AM
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com>; idr@ietf.org
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca>; 'Benjamin Kaduk' <kaduk@mit.edu>; Susa=
n Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01

Jun,
Thank you very much for the answers.  Yes, the questions are to draft-hujun=
-idr-bgp-ipsec-01.

Here are more questions:

  *   If I want to find the least set of information for a node to propagat=
e for IPsec tunnels to a set of nodes, can I use "Next Hop" field in the MP=
-NLRI for the Local Tunnel Endpoint? So the Tunnel-Encap Path Attribute doe=
sn't have to include the "Local Tunnel Endpoint Address" subTLV
[Hu Jun] since my draft is just an extension of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encap=
s, so following text in section 3.1 of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps applies=
 here:

"   There is one special case: the Tunnel Endpoint sub-TLV MAY have a
   value field whose Address Family subfield contains 0.  This means
   that the tunnel's egress endpoint is the UPDATE's BGP next hop.  If
   the Address Family subfield contains 0, the Address subfield is
   omitted, and the Autonomous System number field is set to 0
"

  *   What is the difference between "Private Routing Instance" and "Child =
SA Traffic" selection? Can they be the same?
[Hu Jun] private routing instance is the same routing instance where NLRI o=
r local/remote prefix sub-TLV belongs to

  *   Can the "Private Routing Instance" be listed as Routes in the MP-NLRI=
  Path Attribute?
[Hu Jun] private routing instance is not really a route, it is the route ta=
rget of a MP-NLRI

  *   Under what circumstance that you will need "Public routing instance"?=
   especially, for a network with set of CPEs in one customer AS running as=
 Overlay and the routing instance is locally significant to the Customer do=
main.
[Hu Jun] in case where your clear traffic is forwarded in a routing instanc=
e different than the encapsulated IPsec traffic is forwarded in; for exampl=
e, in enterprise VPN use case, the private routing instance could be enterp=
rise's intranet, while encapsulated IPsec packet could be forwarded in publ=
ic internet

Thank you.

Linda
From: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@no=
kia.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:13 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.=
com>>; idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00=
.txt

Hi Linda,
I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? sinc=
e draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn't have figure 4;
"Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more de=
tailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C? "
 Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not sure I understand your 2nd pa=
rt of the question, but section 2.1 of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines=
 local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI could be used for local prefix)

"How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate a=
head of time? "
This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 and R2 belong to same ad=
min domain, so this kind of thing could be planned ahead; in other use case=
, if the remote prefix is not known or user want same Ipsec config for all =
remote prefix, then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-T=
LV


"In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upd=
ate from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?
"
As explained above, it could be done this way, but not necessary; it really=
 depends on granularity user case needs





From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewe=
i.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.=
com>>; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@n=
okia.com>>; idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00=
.txt

Jun,

In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Upda=
te from R1 include all the <Local- Remote> pairs in each single UPDATE?

i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A attached to R1, the UPDA=
TE from R1 has to include
        Local subnet A <-> remote subnet B on R2
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet D on R3
Local subnet A <-> remote subnet F on R4


Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network, the UPDATE message ha=
s to include 100 pairs?

Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of =
Linda Dunbar
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@noki=
a.com>>; idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt

Jun,

I have some questions on your draft:

Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tunnel-Encap with more det=
ailed description on SubnetA<->SubnetB  & SubnetA<->Subnet C?

How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B needs to communicate ah=
ead of time?

Linda


-----Original Message-----
From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of =
Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca<mailto:paul@nohats.ca>>; 'Benjamin Kaduk=
' <kaduk@mit.edu<mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>>; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailt=
o:shares@ndzh.com>>
Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-t=
ransport-mode-00.txt

Hi,
Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec transport mode protect=
ed tunnel config; this draft is in companion with draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec=
-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete solution of using BGP provisi=
on IPsec config.

Review and comment will be appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> <internet-d=
rafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu@noki=
a.com>>; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jun.hu@nokia.com<mailto:jun.hu=
@nokia.com>>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-m=
ode-00.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted to the IETF repository=
.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My comments in line<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;linda.dunbar@futurewei=
.com&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;jun.hu@nokia.com&gt;; idr=
@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;paul@nohats.ca&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;kadu=
k@mit.edu&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01<o:p></o=
:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you very much for the answers. &nbsp;Yes, the =
questions are to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here are more questions: <o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo3">If I want to find the least set of information for a node to propagat=
e for IPsec tunnels to a set of nodes, can I use &#8220;Next Hop&#8221; fie=
ld in the MP-NLRI for the Local Tunnel Endpoint?
 So the Tunnel-Encap Path Attribute doesn&#8217;t have to include the &#822=
0;Local Tunnel Endpoint Address&#8221; subTLV<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>[Hu Jun] since my draft is just an extension o=
f draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps, so following text in section 3.1 of draft-i=
etf-idr-tunnel-encaps applies here:<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<pre><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif">&#8220;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is one special case: the Tunnel Endpo=
int sub-TLV MAY have a<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>&nbsp;&nbsp; value field whose Address Family =
subfield contains 0.&nbsp; This means<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>&nbsp;&nbsp; that the tunnel's egress endpoint=
 is the UPDATE's BGP next hop.&nbsp; If<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>&nbsp;&nbsp; the Address Family subfield conta=
ins 0, the Address subfield is<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>&nbsp;&nbsp; omitted, and the Autonomous Syste=
m number field is set to 0<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>&#8220;<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo3">What is the difference between &#8220;Private Routing Instance&#8221;=
 and &#8220;Child SA Traffic&#8221; selection? Can they be the same?
<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>[Hu Jun] private routing instance is the same =
routing instance where NLRI or local/remote prefix sub-TLV belongs to
</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo3">Can the &#8220;Private Routing Instance&#8221; be listed as Routes in=
 the MP-NLRI &nbsp;Path Attribute?
<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>[Hu Jun] private routing instance is not reall=
y a route, it is the route target of a MP-NLRI</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo3">Under what circumstance that you will need &#8220;Public routing inst=
ance&#8221;? &nbsp;&nbsp;especially, for a network with set of CPEs in one =
customer AS running as Overlay and the routing instance is
 locally significant to the Customer domain. <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>[Hu Jun] in case where your clear traffic is f=
orwarded in a routing instance different than the encapsulated IPsec traffi=
c is forwarded in; for example, in enterprise VPN use case, the private rou=
ting instance could be enterprise&#8217;s
 intranet, while encapsulated IPsec packet could be forwarded in public int=
ernet </i>
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 8:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com">l=
inda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats=
.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mi=
t.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@nd=
zh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-=
mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Linda, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I assume your questions are really about draft-hujun=
-idr-bgp-ipsec-01? since draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00 doesn&=
#8217;t have figure 4;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And h=
ave Tunnel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&=
nbsp; &amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;Yes, R1 will advertise subnet-A in NLRI; not s=
ure I understand your 2<sup>nd</sup> part of the question, but section 2.1 =
of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 defines local/remote prefix sub-TLV (NLRI c=
ould be used for local prefix)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Su=
bnet B needs to communicate ahead of time? &#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This depends on use case, in this example, both R1 a=
nd R2 belong to same admin domain, so this kind of thing could be planned a=
head; in other use case, if the remote prefix is not known or user want sam=
e Ipsec config for all remote prefix,
 then an all-zero prefix could be used in remote prefix sub-TLV<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1=
, R2, R3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&=
gt; pairs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#8220;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As explained above, it could be done this way, but n=
ot necessary; it really depends on granularity user case needs &nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lind=
a.dunbar@futurewei.com">linda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com">l=
inda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats=
.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mi=
t.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@nd=
zh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-=
mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In addition, if the network has 4 routers, R1, R2, R=
3 and R4. Does the Update from R1 include all the &lt;Local- Remote&gt; pai=
rs in each single UPDATE?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">i.e. when R1 sends out the UPDATE for the Subnet A a=
ttached to R1, the UPDATE from R1 has to include
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Local sub=
net A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet B on R2<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet D on R3<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Local subnet A &lt;-&gt; remote subnet F on R4<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it correct? If there are 100 nodes in the network=
, the UPDATE message has to include 100 pairs?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt; On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar<br>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:32 PM<br>
To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.c=
om">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>=
&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</=
a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [Idr] Questions to draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt=
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jun, <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have some questions on your draft:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Figure 4: does R1 use Subnet A in NLRI? And have Tun=
nel-Encap with more detailed description on SubnetA&lt;-&gt;SubnetB&nbsp; &=
amp; SubnetA&lt;-&gt;Subnet C?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How does R1 need to know that Subnet A and Subnet B =
needs to communicate ahead of time?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org=
">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain Vi=
ew)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:46 AM<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cc: 'Paul Wouters' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@nohats=
.ca">paul@nohats.ca</a>&gt;; 'Benjamin Kaduk' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaduk@m=
it.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</a>&gt;; Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndz=
h.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: [Idr] FW: New Version Notification for draf=
t-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is a new draft for using BGP to provision IPsec=
 transport mode protected tunnel config; this draft is in companion with dr=
aft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-01 (Ipsec tunnel mode) to provide a complete soluti=
on of using BGP provision IPsec config.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Review and comment will be appreciated. <o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">in=
ternet-drafts@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">=
internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:41 PM<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>&gt;; Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/=
Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jun.hu@nokia.com">jun.hu@nokia.com</a>=
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hujun-id=
r-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A new version of I-D, draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-tran=
sport-mode-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">has been successfully submitted by Hu Jun and posted=
 to the IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Revision:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00<o:p=
></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; BGP Provisioned IPsec Transport Mode Protected Tunnel Configuratio=
n<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Document date:&nbsp; 2019-10-10<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pages:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; This document defines a method of using=
 BGP to advertise IPsec<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; transport mode protected tunnel (like G=
RE tunnel with IPsec transport<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; mode protection) configuration along wi=
th NLRI, based on<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps] and [I-D.h=
ujun-idr-bgp-ipsec].<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi IDR,

I was following the discussion on the IDR WG meeting IETF 106 on =
extensibility of FlowSpec and there are a few comments that I want to =
add (see the rfc5575bis draft approach below):

There are quite a few FS extensions in IDR, this is starting get =
confusing, and does not scale in terms of AFI/SAFI and combination of FS =
extensions.=20

Using a =E2=80=9Ctype-length-(variable-length)value=E2=80=9D structure =
for component types generally looks like a good idea because a parser =
could easily skip over unknown components as pointed out by John. =
However I need to point out the following:

1) Propagation of unknown components (if they could be skipped over):

I was learning this over the past few years here: Whenever I suggested =
something that could potentially propagate garbage and cause problems =
elsewhere, responses on the mailing list were always arguing strongly =
against such solutions. If we could skip over FS components we are still =
not able to decode the component itself. If we still want to propagate =
it we may cause problems elsewhere.

2) Logical *AND* of component results:

If an unknown component occurs during decoding (even if we could skip =
over this component) the entire NLRI cannot be used for filtering, since =
the outcome of the filter has a logical *AND* with an unknown match =
condition making the result of the entire match unknown.  =20


Given 1 and 2, what value do we gain if we are actually able to decode =
the entire NLRI if we do not want to propagate it and we cannot use it =
for filtering?


****
RFC5575bis approach to extensibility of BGP FS (yes, there is something =
about extensibility in there):
****

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/>

When we removed the =E2=80=9Copaque to BGP=E2=80=9D property of the NLRI =
from the draft (which was in RFC5575 but everyone argued against it, =
mostly because we do not want to propagate garbage and implementations =
did not follow that anyway, after the IDR interim in Oct 2018) we added =
a section on extensibility in rfc5575bis (in order to allow - to some =
degree - graceful extensions of the NLRI after removing the opaque =
property). This evolved to Section 11 in the current version:

The basic idea follows the above principles: 1) Do not propagate what =
you do not understand, 2) Do not filter/match if something appears in =
the NLRI that you do not understand.
This is achieved by treating the FS NLRI announcement as withdraw =
whenever the parser encounters an unknown FS component (*not* tearing =
down the session).

I am not sure if I should dare to say that: Generally, following that =
proposal, not every extension needs to go for its own AFI/SAFI and we =
are not polluting the whole AFI/SAFI space with FS nonsense (I already =
hear a few people shouting at me).

If some filters should only be applied if a specific extension is known =
to the system rfc5575bis also gives hints how this could be achieved in =
the last paragraph of section 11.

After implementations have adopted to that behaviour (some already have) =
introducing new components may not be so much pain.

However I need to point out that extending the FS components may need =
the implementations to support proper BGP update filtering for FS =
components. But I leave this to sort out by the extension drafts.  =20

Cheers Christoph

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
IDR,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I was following =
the discussion on the IDR WG meeting IETF 106 on extensibility of =
FlowSpec and there are a few comments that I want to add (see the =
rfc5575bis draft approach below):</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There are quite a few FS extensions in =
IDR, this is starting get confusing, and does not scale in terms of =
AFI/SAFI and combination of FS extensions.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Using a =
=E2=80=9Ctype-length-(variable-length)value=E2=80=9D structure for =
component types generally looks like a good idea because a parser could =
easily skip over unknown components as pointed out by John. However I =
need to point out the following:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1) Propagation of unknown components =
(if they could be skipped over):</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I was learning this over the past few =
years here: Whenever I suggested something that could potentially =
propagate garbage and cause problems elsewhere, responses on the mailing =
list were always arguing strongly against such solutions. If we could =
skip over FS components we are still not able to decode the component =
itself. If we still want to propagate it we may cause problems =
elsewhere.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">2) =
Logical *AND* of component results:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If an unknown component occurs during =
decoding (even if we could skip over this component) the entire NLRI =
cannot be used for filtering, since the outcome of the filter has a =
logical *AND* with an unknown match condition making the result of the =
entire match unknown. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Given 1 and 2, what value do we gain if we are actually able =
to decode the entire NLRI if we do not want to propagate it and we =
cannot use it for filtering?</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">****</div><div class=3D"">RFC5575bis approach to =
extensibility of BGP FS (yes, there is something about extensibility in =
there):</div><div class=3D"">****</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis/</a>=
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When we =
removed the =E2=80=9Copaque to BGP=E2=80=9D property of the NLRI from =
the draft (which was in RFC5575 but everyone argued against it, mostly =
because we do not want to propagate garbage and implementations did not =
follow that anyway, after the IDR interim in Oct 2018) we added a =
section on extensibility in rfc5575bis (in order to allow - to some =
degree - graceful extensions of the NLRI after removing the opaque =
property). This evolved to Section 11 in the current version:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The basic idea follows =
the above principles: 1) Do not propagate what you do not understand, 2) =
Do not filter/match if something appears in the NLRI that you do not =
understand.</div><div class=3D"">This is achieved by treating the FS =
NLRI announcement as withdraw whenever the parser encounters an unknown =
FS component (*not* tearing down the session).</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I am not sure if I should dare to say =
that: Generally, following that proposal, not every extension needs to =
go for its own AFI/SAFI and we are not polluting the whole AFI/SAFI =
space with FS nonsense (I already hear a few people shouting at =
me).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If some =
filters should only be applied if a specific extension is known to the =
system rfc5575bis also gives hints how this could be achieved in the =
last paragraph of section 11.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">After implementations have adopted to =
that behaviour (some already have) introducing new components may not be =
so much pain.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">However I need to point out that extending the FS components =
may need the implementations to support proper BGP update filtering for =
FS components. But I leave this to sort out by the extension drafts. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers Christoph</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">--&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
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In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2
the AS loop is broken at the receiver.
Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.
Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere
is it mandated. At least I could not find it.

If the receiver of your route were to send you back its
best path, even if it's your route, then you have your
information.

We could invent an address-family specific capability
to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.

Regards,
Jakob.

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking =
glasses
>
> Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by l=
ooking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question - w=
hy not to just look at peer's looking glass ?

Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,
nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP
Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this
functionality has proven to be insufficient.

> So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a =
looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that could=
 be all GROW WG thing too :)

That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable soluti=
on.

> I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet i=
f we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each =
transit AS.

Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've
pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide
looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not
ubiquitous.

Another observation is that in the "IP Transit Carrier" segment of the
market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see
similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the
latter category is not interested in running & maintaining looking
glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from
exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating
a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share
debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different
orgs.

Kind regards,

Job

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+1 Jakob

Sometime ago, validating exactly that (across 4 vendors/6 OS's), I observ=
ed =C2=A0difference in behaviors across vendors and in 1 instance between=
 different OS=E2=80=99s of the same vendor

Cheers,
Jeff
On Nov 19, 2019, 1:19 PM +0800, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz=40cisco.com>=
, wrote:
> In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271=23section-9.1.2
> the AS loop is broken at the receiver.
> Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.
> Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere
> is it mandated. At least I could not find it.
>
> If the receiver of your route were to send you back its
> best path, even if it's your route, then you have your
> information.
>
> We could invent an address-family specific capability
> to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> =46rom: Idr <idr-bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of Job Snijders
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM
> To: Robert Raszuk <robert=40raszuk.net>
> Cc: IDR <idr=40ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert=40raszuk.net> wro=
te:
> > > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide look=
ing glasses
> >
> > Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed =
by looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first questi=
on - why not to just look at peer's looking glass =3F
>
> Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,
> nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP
> Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this
> functionality has proven to be insufficient.
>
> > So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should ru=
n a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory =3F And th=
at could be all GROW WG thing too :)
>
> That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable so=
lution.
>
> > I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Intern=
et if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for=
 each transit AS.
>
> Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've
> pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide
> looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not
> ubiquitous.
>
> Another observation is that in the =22IP Transit Carrier=22 segment of =
the
> market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see
> similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the
> latter category is not interested in running & maintaining looking
> glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from
> exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating
> a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share
> debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different
> orgs.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>+1 Jakob
<div dir=3D=22auto=22><br /></div>
<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Sometime ago, validating exactly that (across 4 ven=
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<div class=3D=22match=46ont=22>Cheers,
<div>Jeff</div>
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<div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On Nov 19, 2019, 1:19 PM +0800, Jak=
ob Heitz (jheitz) &lt;jheitz=40cisco.com&gt;, wrote:<br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22marg=
in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =231abc9c;=22>In=
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271=23section-9.1.2<br />
the AS loop is broken at the receiver.<br />
Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.<br />
Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere<br />
is it mandated. At least I could not find it.<br />
<br />
If the receiver of your route were to send you back its<br />
best path, even if it's your route, then you have your<br />
information.<br />
<br />
We could invent an address-family specific capability<br />
to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.<br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
Jakob.<br />
<br />
-----Original Message-----<br />
=46rom: Idr &lt;idr-bounces=40ietf.org&gt; On Behalf Of Job Snijders<br /=
>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM<br />
To: Robert Raszuk &lt;robert=40raszuk.net&gt;<br />
Cc: IDR &lt;idr=40ietf.org&gt;<br />
Subject: Re: =5BIdr=5D Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers<br />
<br />
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk &lt;robert=40raszuk.net&gt;=
 wrote:<br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22marg=
in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =23e67e22;=22>
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22marg=
in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =233498db;=22>Th=
e latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking glas=
ses<br /></blockquote>
<br />
Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by l=
ooking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question -=
 why not to just look at peer's looking glass =3F<br /></blockquote>
<br />
Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,<br=
 />
nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP<br=
 />
Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this<br />
functionality has proven to be insufficient.<br />
<br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22marg=
in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =23e67e22;=22>So=
 perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a lo=
oking glass server holding all paths and declare victory =3F And that cou=
ld be all GROW WG thing too :)<br /></blockquote>
<br />
That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable solu=
tion.<br />
<br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22marg=
in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =23e67e22;=22>I =
already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet if =
we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each =
transit AS.<br /></blockquote>
<br />
Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've<br =
/>
pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide<br=
 />
looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not<br =
/>
ubiquitous.<br />
<br />
Another observation is that in the =22IP Transit Carrier=22 segment of th=
e<br />
market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see<br=
 />
similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the<br />
latter category is not interested in running &amp; maintaining looking<br=
 />
glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from<br=
 />
exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating<br=
 />
a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share<br />
debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different<br />
orgs.<br />
<br />
Kind regards,<br />
<br />
Job<br />
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+1
[inline] with [Shunwan].

Thanks,
Shunwan

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:19 PM
To: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers

In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2
the AS loop is broken at the receiver.
Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.
Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere is it mandated. A=
t least I could not find it.
[Shunwan] When we figure out how to Enhanced AS Loop Detection for BGP (htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-grow-enhanced-as-loop-detection/),=
 we also notice the different behaviors between different Network OSes and =
cannot find which rfc has documented it.

If the receiver of your route were to send you back its best path, even if =
it's your route, then you have your information.

We could invent an address-family specific capability to indicate that you =
wish your route to be echoed back.
[Shunwan] I think this is a good idea.


Regards,
Jakob.

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide=20
> > looking glasses
>
> Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by l=
ooking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question - w=
hy not to just look at peer's looking glass ?

Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available, nor =
is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP Looking =
Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this functionality has pr=
oven to be insufficient.

> So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run=20
> a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And=20
> that could be all GROW WG thing too :)

That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable soluti=
on.

> I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet i=
f we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each =
transit AS.

Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've pitch=
ed the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide looking g=
lasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not ubiquitous.

Another observation is that in the "IP Transit Carrier" segment of the mark=
et we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see similar =
functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the latter category i=
s not interested in running & maintaining looking glasses, or perhaps there=
 are other constraints that prevent them from exposing this information via=
 suchs tools. My hope is that by creating a feedback mechanism in BGP we cr=
eate more opportunity to share debugging information specific to EBGP sessi=
ons between different orgs.

Kind regards,

Job

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Hi Jeff,

I would think it makes more sense to do this binding in BGP module because
it is sort of a special case related with BGP, but I'm not sure what's the
best way to do it.

possible solutions:
1. add a reference
2. add a configuration
3.  ...

Thanks,
Yingzhen

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:49 AM Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <
rainsword.wang@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
>         My question is similar to "how do you bind a given routing
> instance (e.g. VRF) to a given BGP session?"
>
>     Now multiple vendors have implemented this feature.
>     They don't bind a vrf to a given BGP session, but bind to different
> public bgp instance.
>
>         For example:
>     bgp instance 1 as 100
>       neighbor A remote-as 100
>        address-family ipv4-vpn, evpn enabled
>       neighbor B remote-as 200
>        address-family ipv4-vpn enabled
>     bgp instance 2 as 200
>       neighbor C remote-as 200
>        address-family evpn enabled
>     vrf vrf1
>       bgp instance-toCE1 as 65001
>        neighbors ...
>     vrf vrf2
>       ospf instance-toCE2
>        areas...
>
>     Vrf1 bind to bgp instance 1
>     Vrf1's VPN routes will advertised through bgp instance 1's neighbor
> A&B, through VPNv4 or EVPN family
>     Vrf2 bind to bgp instance 2
>     Vrf2's VPN routes will advertised through bgp instance 2's neighbor C=
,
> through EVPN family.
>         The two bgp instance are separate from each other.
>
>     It seems like vrf1 bind to neighbor A&B, vrf2 bind to neighbor C.
>     But the neighbors are contained in a bgp instance. ( neighbor A&B in
> bgp instance 1, neighbor C in bgp instance2)
>
>         According to RFC8022, we can create multiple bgp instance for
> public routing.
>     But now we cannot specify one vrf how to bind to one bgp instance's
> according to current bgp model.
>
> Regards,
> Haibo
>
> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
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> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei=
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> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model
>
> Per IDR mic comment, copying once again to IDR since I mis-laid the mail.
> My apologies, Haibo.
>
> If I understand your comment correctly, your question is "how do you bind
> a given routing instance (e.g. VRF) to a given BGP session?"
>
> If so, I think you are correct.  We do not have a clean way to specify
> this.
> It may also have impacts on the network instancing model in general.  Let
> us raise the issue with netmod working group.
>
> -- Jeff
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:39:17AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> >  Thanks for your reply.
> >
> >  I have read this example. But it doesn't solve my doubts.
> >  If I have two public bgp instance like this:
> >     "ietf-routing:routing": {
> >        "router-id": "192.0.2.1",
> >        "control-plane-protocols": {
> >          "control-plane-protocol": [
> >            {
> >              "type": "ietf-routing:bgp",
> >              "name": "bgp0",
> >              "description":
> >                "Bgp for CustomerA.",
> >              "bgp": {
> >                        "neighbors":{
> >                         "neighbor":[
> >                           {
> >                                "remote-address":"192.0.2.1",
> >                    "peer-as":"64497"
> >                      "afi-safis":{
> >                      "afi-safi":[
> >                        "afi-safi-name":"bt:l3vpn-ipv4-unicast"
> >                       ]
> >                     }
> >                           }
> >                          ]
> >                     }
> >               }
> >            }
> >                ]
> >          "control-plane-protocol": [
> >            {
> >              "type": "ietf-routing:bgp",
> >              "name": "bgp1",
> >              "description":
> >                "Static routing is used for the internal network.",
> >              "bgp": {
> >                        "neighbors":{
> >                         "neighbor":[
> >                           {
> >                                "remote-address":"192.0.3.1",
> >                    "peer-as":"64497"
> >                      "afi-safis":{
> >                      "afi-safi":[
> >                        "afi-safi-name":"bt:l2vpn-evpn"
> >                       ]
> >                     }
> >                           }
> >                          ]
> >                     }
> >               }
> >             }
> >          ]
> >        },
> >
> >  And I have two vrf instance like :
> >     "ietf-network-instance:network-instances": {
> >       "network-instance": [
> >         {
> >           "name": "vrf-old",
> >            ...
> >         }
> >        ]
> >       }
> >     "ietf-network-instance:network-instances": {
> >       "network-instance": [
> >         {
> >           "name": "vrf-new",
> >            ...
> >         }
> >        ]
> >       }
> >
> >   I want to specify the vrf-old use bgp0 to advertise routes using
> l3vpn-ipv4-unicast, and use bgp1 for vrf-new to advertise routes using
> l2vpn-evpn with type5.
> >   So how can I do this ?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Haibo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:39 AM
> > To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) <rainsword.wang@huawei.com>
> > Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:32:01PM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:
> > > Hi authors,
> > >
> > > I have some question about the bgp model.
> > >
> > > In current model, the bgp module will augment to routing,
> > >      /rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols
> > >                /rt:control-plane-protocol:
> > > And the routing will schema mount to network-instance.
> > >
> > > In this model, how to realize the multiple bgp public instance, like
> > > that
> > >
> > > bgp instance 1 as-number 100
> > >   neighbor 2.2.2.2
> > > address-family vpn-ipv4
> > >   vrf vpn1
> > > neighbor 11.1.1.1
> > >   address-family ipv4
> > >
> > > bgp instance 2 as-number 200
> > >   neighbor 3.3.3.3
> > > address-family vpn-ipv4
> > >   vrf vpn2
> > > neighbor 12.1.1.1
> > >   address-family ipv4
> > >
> > > Bgp doesn't like ospf or isis, the vrf's bgp will associate to public
> bgp's special address family.
> > > I'm not find how to describe the associate in current model
> >
> > The bgp model uses NMDA:
> >   augment "/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/"
> >         + "rt:control-plane-protocol" {
> >
> > You may find this example from RFC 8349 helpful:
> >
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8349
> >
> > : Appendix D.  Data Tree Example
> > : [...]
> > :
> > :
> > :      "ietf-routing:routing": {
> > :        "router-id": "192.0.2.1",
> > :        "control-plane-protocols": {
> > :          "control-plane-protocol": [
> > :            {
> > :              "type": "ietf-routing:static",
> > :              "name": "st0",
> > :              "description":
> > :                "Static routing is used for the internal network.",
> > :
> >
> > The definition of control plane protocols permits multi-instancing via
> name:
> >
> > :        container control-plane-protocols {
> > :          description
> > :            "Support for control-plane protocol instances.";
> > :          list control-plane-protocol {
> > :            key "type name";
> > :            description
> >
> > -- Jeff
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeff,<div><br></div><div>I would think it makes more se=
nse to do this binding in BGP module because it is sort of a special case r=
elated with BGP, but I&#39;m not sure what&#39;s the best way to do it.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>possible solutions:</div><div>1. add a referen=
ce=C2=A0</div><div>2. add a configuration</div><div>3. =C2=A0...</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Yingzhen</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:49=
 AM Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawei.com">=
rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-lef=
t-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Jeff,=
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My question is similar to &quot;how do you bind=
 a given routing instance (e.g. VRF) to a given BGP session?&quot;<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Now multiple vendors have implemented this feature. <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 They don&#39;t bind a vrf to a given BGP session, but bind to=
 different public bgp instance. <br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bgp instance 1 as 100<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 neighbor A remote-as 100<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address-family ipv4-vpn, evpn enabled<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 neighbor B remote-as 200<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address-family ipv4-vpn enabled<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bgp instance 2 as 200<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 neighbor C remote-as 200<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address-family evpn enabled<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vrf vrf1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bgp instance-toCE1 as 65001<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0neighbors ...<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vrf vrf2 <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ospf instance-toCE2<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0areas...<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vrf1 bind to bgp instance 1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vrf1&#39;s VPN routes will advertised through bgp instance 1&=
#39;s neighbor A&amp;B, through VPNv4 or EVPN family<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vrf2 bind to bgp instance 2<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vrf2&#39;s VPN routes will advertised through bgp instance 2&=
#39;s neighbor C, through EVPN family.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The two bgp instance are separate from each oth=
er.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It seems like vrf1 bind to neighbor A&amp;B, vrf2 bind to nei=
ghbor C.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But the neighbors are contained in a bgp instance. ( neighbor=
 A&amp;B in bgp instance 1, neighbor C in bgp instance2)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 According to RFC8022, we can create multiple bg=
p instance for public routing.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But now we cannot specify one vrf how to bind to one bgp inst=
ance&#39;s according to current bgp model.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Haibo<br>
<br>
-----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----<br>
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@p=
frc.org" target=3D"_blank">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>] <br>
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5 1=
9:09<br>
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ra=
insword.wang@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt=
;<br>
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:id=
r@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model<br>
<br>
Per IDR mic comment, copying once again to IDR since I mis-laid the mail.<b=
r>
My apologies, Haibo.<br>
<br>
If I understand your comment correctly, your question is &quot;how do you b=
ind a given routing instance (e.g. VRF) to a given BGP session?&quot;<br>
<br>
If so, I think you are correct.=C2=A0 We do not have a clean way to specify=
 this.<br>
It may also have impacts on the network instancing model in general.=C2=A0 =
Let us raise the issue with netmod working group.<br>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
<br>
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:39:17AM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Jeff,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Thanks for your reply. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 I have read this example. But it doesn&#39;t solve my doubts. <b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 If I have two public bgp instance like this:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;ietf-routing:routing&quot;: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;router-id&quot;: &quot;192.0.2.1&quot=
;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;control-plane-protocols&quot;: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;control-plane-protocol&quot;: =
[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;type&quot;: &quo=
t;ietf-routing:bgp&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;name&quot;: &quo=
t;bgp0&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;description&quot=
;: <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;Bgp for C=
ustomerA.&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;bgp&quot;: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;neighbors&quot;:{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;neighbor&quot;:[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;remote-address&quot;:&quot;=
192.0.2.1&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &=
quot;peer-as&quot;:&quot;64497&quot;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 &quot;afi-safis&quot;:{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 &quot;afi-safi&quot;:[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;afi-safi-name&quot;:&quot;bt:l3vpn-ipv4-unicast&quot;<b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;control-plane-protocol&quot;: =
[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;type&quot;: &quo=
t;ietf-routing:bgp&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;name&quot;: &quo=
t;bgp1&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;description&quot=
;:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;Static ro=
uting is used for the internal network.&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;bgp&quot;: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;neighbors&quot;:{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;neighbor&quot;:[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;remote-address&quot;:&quot;=
192.0.3.1&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &=
quot;peer-as&quot;:&quot;64497&quot;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 &quot;afi-safis&quot;:{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 &quot;afi-safi&quot;:[<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;afi-safi-name&quot;:&quot;bt:l2vpn-evpn&quot;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0} <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 },<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 And I have two vrf instance like :<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;ietf-network-instance:network-instances&quot;=
: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;network-instance&quot;: [<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;name&quot;: &quot;vrf-ol=
d&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;ietf-network-instance:network-instances&quot;=
: {<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;network-instance&quot;: [<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;name&quot;: &quot;vrf-ne=
w&quot;,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0I want to specify the vrf-old use bgp0 to advertise routes=
 using l3vpn-ipv4-unicast, and use bgp1 for vrf-new to advertise routes usi=
ng l2vpn-evpn with type5.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0So how can I do this ?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Haibo<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" target=3D=
"_blank">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:39 AM<br>
&gt; To: Wanghaibo (Rainsword) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rainsword.wang@huawei.=
com" target=3D"_blank">rainsword.wang@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org"=
 target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:32:01PM +0000, Wanghaibo (Rainsword) wrote:=
<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi authors,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I have some question about the bgp model.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; In current model, the bgp module will augment to routing,<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /rt:contro=
l-plane-protocol:<br>
&gt; &gt; And the routing will schema mount to network-instance.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; In this model, how to realize the multiple bgp public instance, l=
ike <br>
&gt; &gt; that<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; bgp instance 1 as-number 100<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0neighbor 2.2.2.2<br>
&gt; &gt; address-family vpn-ipv4<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0vrf vpn1<br>
&gt; &gt; neighbor 11.1.1.1<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0address-family ipv4<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; bgp instance 2 as-number 200<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0neighbor 3.3.3.3<br>
&gt; &gt; address-family vpn-ipv4<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0vrf vpn2<br>
&gt; &gt; neighbor 12.1.1.1<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0address-family ipv4<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Bgp doesn&#39;t like ospf or isis, the vrf&#39;s bgp will associa=
te to public bgp&#39;s special address family.<br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;m not find how to describe the associate in current model<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The bgp model uses NMDA:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0augment &quot;/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/&quot=
;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ &quot;rt:control-plane-protocol&quo=
t; {<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; You may find this example from RFC 8349 helpful:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8349" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8349</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; : Appendix D.=C2=A0 Data Tree Example<br>
&gt; : [...]<br>
&gt; : <br>
&gt; : <br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;ietf-routing:routing&quot;: {<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;router-id&quot;: &quot;192.0.2.1&qu=
ot;,<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;control-plane-protocols&quot;: {<br=
>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;control-plane-protocol&quot;=
: [<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 {<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;type&quot;: &q=
uot;ietf-routing:static&quot;,<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;name&quot;: &q=
uot;st0&quot;,<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;description&qu=
ot;:<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;Static =
routing is used for the internal network.&quot;,<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The definition of control plane protocols permits multi-instancing via=
 name:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 container control-plane-protocols {<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;Support for control-p=
lane protocol instances.&quot;;<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 list control-plane-protocol {<br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 key &quot;type name&quot;;<=
br>
&gt; :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Jeff<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Advertising Segment
    Routing Policies in BGP
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Paul Mattes
                          Eric Rosen
                          Dhanendra Jain
                          Steven Lin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
	Pages           : 38
	Date            : 2019-11-18

Abstract:
   This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
   advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
   Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
   segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
   candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
   a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
   This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
   distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
   Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
   these candidate paths.


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Hi All,

This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards WG=
LC .

The following is the high level overview of the changes:

1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been cons=
olidated.

2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community reserve=
d field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE guideli=
nes since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.

3) Added security consideration section.

4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation as=
 per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the match=
ing with BGP Router ID part.

5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with =
upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove confusio=
n between the segment types and the protocol code-points as discussed on th=
e Spring and IDR lists recently.

Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for WG=
LC.

We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki be=
low and would request WG members to help update the same as there are multi=
ple shipping implementations of this specification:

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-polic=
y%20implementations%20

Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in Singap=
ore.

Thanks,
Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Advertising Segment
    Routing Policies in BGP
        Authors         : Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Paul Mattes
                          Eric Rosen
                          Dhanendra Jain
                          Steven Lin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
	Pages           : 38
	Date            : 2019-11-18

Abstract:
   This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
   advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
   Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
   segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
   candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
   a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
   This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
   distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
   Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
   these candidate paths.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-polic=
y-08


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Hey Jakob,

But this is not what is being asked here.

There is need to validated if routes received on *specific* eBGP session
were accepted by bgp inbound policy.

What you suggesting is also quite useful but IMO 100% orthogonal to the
topic.

Reason being that in your scenario router would advertise the best path to
a peer back which may not be local eBGP route. Worse I may have N eBGP
session to a given peer's ASBR and I would like to make sure all of my
paths has passed his policy.

Moreover as Jared said he is not so much concern of overall
reachability validation. He is concerned when his most preferred path goes
down does his peer has backup path(s) to him.

Kind regards,
R.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
wrote:

> In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2
> the AS loop is broken at the receiver.
> Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.
> Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere
> is it mandated. At least I could not find it.
>
> If the receiver of your route were to send you back its
> best path, even if it's your route, then you have your
> information.
>
> We could invent an address-family specific capability
> to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Job Snijders
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM
> To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> Cc: IDR <idr@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking
> glasses
> >
> > Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by
> looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question -
> why not to just look at peer's looking glass ?
>
> Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,
> nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP
> Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this
> functionality has proven to be insufficient.
>
> > So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a
> looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that could
> be all GROW WG thing too :)
>
> That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable
> solution.
>
> > I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet
> if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each
> transit AS.
>
> Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've
> pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide
> looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not
> ubiquitous.
>
> Another observation is that in the "IP Transit Carrier" segment of the
> market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see
> similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the
> latter category is not interested in running & maintaining looking
> glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from
> exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating
> a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share
> debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different
> orgs.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Jakob,<div><br></div><div>But this is not what is bein=
g asked here.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>There is need to validated if =
routes received on *specific* eBGP session were accepted by bgp inbound pol=
icy.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>What you suggesting is also quite usefu=
l but IMO 100% orthogonal to the topic.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Reas=
on being that in your scenario router would advertise the best path to a pe=
er back which may not be local eBGP route. Worse I may have N eBGP session =
to a given peer&#39;s ASBR and I would like to make sure all of my paths ha=
s passed his policy.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Moreover as Jared said =
he is not so much concern of overall reachability=C2=A0validation. He is co=
ncerned when his most preferred path goes down does his peer has backup pat=
h(s) to him.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>R.</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:jheitz@cisco.com">jheitz@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/rfc4271#section-9.1.2" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools=
.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2</a><br>
the AS loop is broken at the receiver.<br>
Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.<br>
Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere<br>
is it mandated. At least I could not find it.<br>
<br>
If the receiver of your route were to send you back its<br>
best path, even if it&#39;s your route, then you have your<br>
information.<br>
<br>
We could invent an address-family specific capability<br>
to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jakob.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr=
-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Job Snijders<br>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM<br>
To: Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank=
">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: IDR &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers<br>
<br>
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@=
raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide lo=
oking glasses<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed b=
y looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question =
- why not to just look at peer&#39;s looking glass ?<br>
<br>
Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,<br>
nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP<br>
Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this<br>
functionality has proven to be insufficient.<br>
<br>
&gt; So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run=
 a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that co=
uld be all GROW WG thing too :)<br>
<br>
That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable soluti=
on.<br>
<br>
&gt; I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Interne=
t if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for ea=
ch transit AS.<br>
<br>
Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I&#39;ve<b=
r>
pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide<br>
looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not<br>
ubiquitous.<br>
<br>
Another observation is that in the &quot;IP Transit Carrier&quot; segment o=
f the<br>
market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see<br>
similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the<br>
latter category is not interested in running &amp; maintaining looking<br>
glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from<br>
exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating<br>
a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share<br>
debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different<br>
orgs.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Job<br>
<br>
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Hi Ketan,
 Thank you for the updated version. I'm still reviewing it, but spotted
something I wanted to quickly clarify.

ver-7 of section "4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI" had text
mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail. In ver-8 this has been
removed, and I can't quite tell what text in section "5 Error Handling"
covers this? I'm assuming we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria
fail.
Please clarify.

Thanks,
Nandan


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards
> WGLC .
>
> The following is the high level overview of the changes:
>
> 1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been
> consolidated.
>
> 2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community
> reserved field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE
> guidelines since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.
>
> 3) Added security consideration section.
>
> 4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation
> as per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the
> matching with BGP Router ID part.
>
> 5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with
> upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove
> confusion between the segment types and the protocol code-points as
> discussed on the Spring and IDR lists recently.
>
> Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for
> WGLC.
>
> We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki
> below and would request WG members to help update the same as there are
> multiple shipping implementations of this specification:
>
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy%20implementations%20
>
> Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in
> Singapore.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Advertising Segment
>     Routing Policies in BGP
>         Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>                           Clarence Filsfils
>                           Ketan Talaulikar
>                           Paul Mattes
>                           Eric Rosen
>                           Dhanendra Jain
>                           Steven Lin
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>         Pages           : 38
>         Date            : 2019-11-18
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
>    advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
>    Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
>    segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
>    candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
>    a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
>    This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
>    distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
>    Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
>    these candidate paths.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Ketan,</div><div>=C2=A0Thank you for the updated v=
ersion. I&#39;m still reviewing it, but spotted something I wanted to quick=
ly clarify.</div><div><br></div><div>ver-7 of section &quot;4.2.1.  Accepta=
nce of an SR Policy NLRI&quot; had text mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance=
 criteria fail. In ver-8 this has been removed, and I can&#39;t quite tell =
what text in section &quot;5 Error Handling&quot; covers this? I&#39;m assu=
ming we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria fail. <br></div><div>Pl=
ease clarify.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Nandan<br></div><d=
iv><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Al=
l,<br>
<br>
This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards WG=
LC .<br>
<br>
The following is the high level overview of the changes:<br>
<br>
1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been cons=
olidated.<br>
<br>
2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community reserve=
d field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE guideli=
nes since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.<br>
<br>
3) Added security consideration section.<br>
<br>
4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation as=
 per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the match=
ing with BGP Router ID part.<br>
<br>
5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with =
upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove confusio=
n between the segment types and the protocol code-points as discussed on th=
e Spring and IDR lists recently.<br>
<br>
Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for WG=
LC.<br>
<br>
We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki be=
low and would request WG members to help update the same as there are multi=
ple shipping implementations of this specification:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi=
ng-te-policy%20implementations%20" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy%2=
0implementations%20</a><br>
<br>
Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in Singap=
ore.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
<br>
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Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<=
br>
<br>
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Advertising Segment<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Policies in BGP<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Stef=
ano Previdi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Clarence Filsfils<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ketan Talaulikar<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul Mattes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eric Rosen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dhanendra Jain<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Steven Lin<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 38<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2019-11-18<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.=
=C2=A0 An SR<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or =
more<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0segment lists.=C2=A0 The headend of an SR Policy may learn mul=
tiple<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0candidate paths for an SR Policy.=C2=A0 Candidate paths may be=
 learned via<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or=
 BGP.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribute SR Policy candidate paths.=C2=A0 New sub-TLVs for t=
he Tunnel<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information =
about<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0these candidate paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-=
te-policy/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/</a><br>
<br>
There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
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ting-te-policy-08" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker=
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<br>
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Hi Jakob,

> Easy fixed. Do next-hop-unchanged on an echo path.

I don't think the above will be sufficient the way it is expected to work.
If you still want to stick it into existing AFI/SAFI and send it on the
same session the only feasible option I could see is to actually send all
paths back with ADD-PATHs on the eBGP.

However I am not sure if we would want to go there.

I am suggesting to resurrect BGP Operational Message IDR WG draft and do
this properly. At least now we seems to be having some operational support
:).

Best,
R.

PS. And I agree with the other part of your comments. But as Jared & Job
explained this is not about data plane ... this is just to make sure my
path was accepted to your BGP.







On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:29 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Robert,
>
>
>
> You are right about the echoed path being a different path.
>
> I forgot that ebgp does next-hop-self, so the receiver of the
>
> echo cannot be sure it is his own echo.
>
>
>
> Easy fixed. Do next-hop-unchanged on an echo path.
>
>
>
> Another fix would be to add a community.
>
> However, that would be harder to implement.
>
> Ease of implementation is important if you want your
>
> feature implemented.
>
>
>
> The draft mentions nothing about backup.
>
> I do remember some years ago, Ignas asked for this kind of feedback,
>
> so he could know whether he should install a backup on the sender end.
>
> Suppose R1 sends a route to R2. If R2 accepts the route,
>
> R1 would like to install a backup in its FIB. Since FIB space
>
> is precious, R1 does not want to install a backup if R2 does not
>
> use R1's route.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jakob.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:18 AM
> *To:* Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>; IDR <idr@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers
>
>
>
> Hey Jakob,
>
>
>
> But this is not what is being asked here.
>
>
>
> There is need to validated if routes received on *specific* eBGP session
> were accepted by bgp inbound policy.
>
>
>
> What you suggesting is also quite useful but IMO 100% orthogonal to the
> topic.
>
>
>
> Reason being that in your scenario router would advertise the best path to
> a peer back which may not be local eBGP route. Worse I may have N eBGP
> session to a given peer's ASBR and I would like to make sure all of my
> paths has passed his policy.
>
>
>
> Moreover as Jared said he is not so much concern of overall
> reachability validation. He is concerned when his most preferred path goes
> down does his peer has backup path(s) to him.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2
> the AS loop is broken at the receiver.
> Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.
> Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere
> is it mandated. At least I could not find it.
>
> If the receiver of your route were to send you back its
> best path, even if it's your route, then you have your
> information.
>
> We could invent an address-family specific capability
> to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Job Snijders
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM
> To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> Cc: IDR <idr@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
> > > The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide looking
> glasses
> >
> > Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed by
> looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question -
> why not to just look at peer's looking glass ?
>
> Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,
> nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP
> Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this
> functionality has proven to be insufficient.
>
> > So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run a
> looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that could
> be all GROW WG thing too :)
>
> That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable
> solution.
>
> > I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Internet
> if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for each
> transit AS.
>
> Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I've
> pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide
> looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not
> ubiquitous.
>
> Another observation is that in the "IP Transit Carrier" segment of the
> market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see
> similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the
> latter category is not interested in running & maintaining looking
> glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from
> exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating
> a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share
> debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different
> orgs.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
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n&#39;t think the above will be sufficient the way it is expected to work. =
If you still want to stick it into existing AFI/SAFI and send it on the sam=
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s back with ADD-PATHs on the eBGP.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>However I=
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t :).=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>R.</div><div><br></div=
><div>PS. And I agree with the other part of your comments. But as Jared &a=
mp; Job explained this is not about=C2=A0data plane ... this is just to mak=
e sure my path was accepted to your BGP.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br=
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r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, =
Nov 19, 2019 at 7:29 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jheitz@c=
isco.com">jheitz@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
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ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Robert,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">You are right about the echoed path be=
ing a different path.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">I forgot that ebgp does next-hop-self,=
 so the receiver of the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">echo cannot be sure it is his own echo=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Easy fixed. Do next-hop-unchanged on a=
n echo path.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Another fix would be to add a communit=
y.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">However, that would be harder to imple=
ment.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Ease of implementation is important if=
 you want your<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">feature implemented.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
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ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">The draft mentions nothing about backu=
p.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">I do remember some years ago, Ignas as=
ked for this kind of feedback,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">so he could know whether he should ins=
tall a backup on the sender end.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Suppose R1 sends a route to R2. If R2 =
accepts the route,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">R1 would like to install a backup in i=
ts FIB. Since FIB space<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">is precious, R1 does not want to insta=
ll a backup if R2 does not<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">use R1&#39;s route.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Jakob.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:rgb(112,48,160)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rob=
ert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakob Heitz (jheitz) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jheitz@cisco.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jheitz@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Job Snijders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:job@instituut.net" target=3D"=
_blank">job@instituut.net</a>&gt;; IDR &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers<u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey Jakob,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But this is not what is being asked here.=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is need to validated if routes received on *sp=
ecific* eBGP session were accepted by bgp inbound policy.=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What you suggesting is also quite useful but IMO 100=
% orthogonal to the topic.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Reason being that in your scenario router would adve=
rtise the best path to a peer back which may not be local eBGP route. Worse=
 I may have N eBGP session to a given peer&#39;s ASBR and I would like to m=
ake sure all of my paths has passed his
 policy.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Moreover as Jared said he is not so much concern of =
overall reachability=C2=A0validation. He is concerned when his most preferr=
ed path goes down does his peer has backup path(s) to him.=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">R.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jakob Heitz (jheitz)=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jheitz@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">jheitz@cisco.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#se=
ction-9.1.2" target=3D"_blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4271#section-9.1.2</a><br>
the AS loop is broken at the receiver.<br>
Nowhere does it say that the sender must break the AS loop.<br>
Split horizon filtering is a common practice, but nowhere<br>
is it mandated. At least I could not find it.<br>
<br>
If the receiver of your route were to send you back its<br>
best path, even if it&#39;s your route, then you have your<br>
information.<br>
<br>
We could invent an address-family specific capability<br>
to indicate that you wish your route to be echoed back.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jakob.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr=
-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Job Snijders<br>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:00 AM<br>
To: Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank=
">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: IDR &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Debugging accepted routes from BGP speakers<br>
<br>
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@=
raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; The latter one is oftentimes easily validated by Internet-wide lo=
oking glasses<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hmmmm I must say that IMHO both latter and former could be addressed b=
y looking-glass. In fact when I read this draft that was my first question =
- why not to just look at peer&#39;s looking glass ?<br>
<br>
Many networks unfortunately do not make BGP Looking Glasses available,<br>
nor is there any standardized interface/method/design/approach for BGP<br>
Looking Glasses. So solely relying on Looking Glasses for this<br>
functionality has proven to be insufficient.<br>
<br>
&gt; So perhaps we should simply issue a BCP to say that each AS should run=
 a looking glass server holding all paths and declare victory ? And that co=
uld be all GROW WG thing too :)<br>
<br>
That is an interesting idea, but in my mind not the exclusive viable soluti=
on.<br>
<br>
&gt; I already see a bunch of new things we could accomplish in the Interne=
t if we would have those in place consistently everywhere - at least for ea=
ch transit AS.<br>
<br>
Agreed - it would be a nicer world. Through the MANRS initiative I&#39;ve<b=
r>
pitched the idea to provide more encouragement for networks to provide<br>
looking glasses to the public, but arguably their availability is not<br>
ubiquitous.<br>
<br>
Another observation is that in the &quot;IP Transit Carrier&quot; segment o=
f the<br>
market we see BGP Looking Glasses from time to time, but we rarely see<br>
similar functionality offered by Cloud/CDN providers. Perhaps the<br>
latter category is not interested in running &amp; maintaining looking<br>
glasses, or perhaps there are other constraints that prevent them from<br>
exposing this information via suchs tools. My hope is that by creating<br>
a feedback mechanism in BGP we create more opportunity to share<br>
debugging information specific to EBGP sessions between different<br>
orgs.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Job<br>
<br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
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Howdy Ketan,

Few nits:


2.2. SR Policy and Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute
If more than one TLV of type "SR Policy"
   appears, the update is considered malformed and the "treat-as-
   withdraw" strategy of [RFC7606] is applied.

Given this version introduces an explicit error handling section (5.  Error
Handling), would it be reasonable to delete this? I believe this has been
done for other tlv/sub-tlvs already.


3.  Color Extended Community

two bits from the RESERVED field (as
 defined in [I-D.ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps]) *is are* used as follows

4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI This section explicitly requires
either Route Target(s) or Community in order to consider policy valid:

The SR Policy update MUST have either the NO_ADVERTISE community
      *or* at least one route-target

and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not
accepted). Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are
present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable
and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not
accepted, not necessarily usable, in order to propagate as stated in the
following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous condition?

4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy

It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when
addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a
distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is
the reason for such distinction?

Additionally,

A BGP node advertises a received SR Policy NLRI to its IBGP neighbors
according to normal IBGP propagation rules.

this would imply that if a node receives an advertisement by IBGP it would
not propagate it down via IBGP ("normal IBGP propagation rules"), is that
correct? If so, this section really describes a case when a node receives
SRTE policy via EBGP. Given the distinction between IBGP and EBGP
introduced in this version, would it make sense to be more specific in this
case as well?

thanks,
pk


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:51 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> When the acceptance criteria fails, the update is considered malformed an=
d
> the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset would be the error handling
> based on what the specific error is as described in sec 5.
>
>
>
> In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.
>
>
>
> A router that receives an SR Policy update that is not valid
>
>    according to these criteria MUST treat the update as malformed and
>
>    the SR Policy candidate path MUST NOT be passed to the SRPM.
>
>
>
> Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specify the treatment for errors
> in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=E2=80=99s existing TLVs)=
 and then
> the new ones introduced in this document. E.g. for the TLV/sub-TLVs in th=
e
> Tunnel Encap attribute (new and old)
>
>
>
> In case of any error detected, either
>
>    at the attribute or its TLV/sub-TLV level, the "treat-as-withdraw"
>
>    strategy of [RFC7606 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606>] MUST be ap=
plied.
>
>
>
> Hope that clarifies.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 20 November 2019 00:47
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>;
> Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>  Thank you for the updated version. I'm still reviewing it, but spotted
> something I wanted to quickly clarify.
>
>
>
> ver-7 of section "4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI" had text
> mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail. In ver-8 this has been
> removed, and I can't quite tell what text in section "5 Error Handling"
> covers this? I'm assuming we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria
> fail.
>
> Please clarify.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nandan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards
> WGLC .
>
> The following is the high level overview of the changes:
>
> 1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been
> consolidated.
>
> 2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community
> reserved field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added D=
E
> guidelines since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.
>
> 3) Added security consideration section.
>
> 4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation
> as per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the
> matching with BGP Router ID part.
>
> 5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align wit=
h
> upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove
> confusion between the segment types and the protocol code-points as
> discussed on the Spring and IDR lists recently.
>
> Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for
> WGLC.
>
> We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki
> below and would request WG members to help update the same as there are
> multiple shipping implementations of this specification:
>
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy%20implementations%20
>
> Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in
> Singapore.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 19 November 2019 14:25
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.tx=
t
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Advertising Segment
>     Routing Policies in BGP
>         Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>                           Clarence Filsfils
>                           Ketan Talaulikar
>                           Paul Mattes
>                           Eric Rosen
>                           Dhanendra Jain
>                           Steven Lin
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>         Pages           : 38
>         Date            : 2019-11-18
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
>    advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
>    Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
>    segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
>    candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
>    a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
>    This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
>    distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
>    Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
>    these candidate paths.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy=
/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-p=
olicy-08
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy Ketan,<br><div><br></div><div>Few nits:</div><div><b=
r></div><div><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tinos;font-size:medium"><tbody><tr><td sty=
le=3D"white-space:pre;font-family:monospace;vertical-align:top;font-size:0.=
86em"><br></td><td class=3D"gmail-right" style=3D"white-space:pre;font-fami=
ly:monospace;vertical-align:top"><font size=3D"2">2.2.  SR Policy and Tunne=
l Encapsulation Attribute</font></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"monospace">If more than one TLV of type &quot;SR Policy&quot;<b=
r>=C2=A0 =C2=A0appears, the update is considered malformed and the &quot;tr=
eat-as-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0withdraw&quot; strategy of [RFC7606] is applied.</f=
ont><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"arial, sans-serif">Given this version introduces an explicit error han=
dling section=C2=A0(</font>5.=C2=A0 Error Handling), would it be reasonable=
 to delete this? I believe this has been done for other tlv/sub-tlvs alread=
y.</div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div>=
<font face=3D"monospace">3.=C2=A0 Color Extended Community</font><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace">two bits from the RESERVED fie=
ld (as<br></font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace">=C2=A0defined in [I-D.=
ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps]) <b><strike><font color=3D"#ff0000">is</font></stri=
ke>=C2=A0are</b>=C2=A0used as follows</font><br></div><div><br></div><div><=
table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" style=3D"color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-family:Tinos;font-size:medium"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"white-spa=
ce:pre-wrap;font-family:monospace;vertical-align:top;font-size:0.86em">4.2.=
1.  Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI

</td></tr></tbody></table><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">This=
 section explicitly requires either Route Target(s) or Community in order t=
o consider policy valid:</span></div><div><br></div><div><font face=3D"mono=
space">The SR Policy update MUST have either the NO_ADVERTISE community<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <b>or</b> at least one route-target=C2=A0</font><br></=
div><div><br></div><div>and clearly states the behavior when both are missi=
ng (policy not accepted). Do you see a value in stating the behavior when b=
oth are present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acce=
ptable and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (mus=
t not accepted, not necessarily=C2=A0usable, in order to propagate as state=
d in the following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous=C2=A0=
condition?</div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:monospace;font-size:11.18px;wh=
ite-space:pre-wrap">4.2.4.  Propagation of an SR Policy</span><font face=3D=
"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#00=
0000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">It se=
ems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when addressing the=
 default propagation. In the current version, there is a distinction betwee=
n EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is the reason for such=
 distinction?</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial=
, sans-serif"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></div>=
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"whit=
e-space:pre-wrap">Additionally,</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000=
000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><br></=
span></font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace">A BGP node advertises a rec=
eived SR Policy NLRI to its IBGP neighbors<font color=3D"#000000"><span sty=
le=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"monospace">according to normal IBGP propagation rules.</font><br></div>=
<div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sa=
ns-serif">this would imply that if a node receives an advertisement by IBGP=
 it would not propagate it down via IBGP (&quot;normal IBGP propagation rul=
es&quot;), is that correct? If so, this section really describes a case whe=
n a node receives SRTE policy via EBGP. Given the distinction between IBGP =
and EBGP introduced in this version, would it make sense to be more specifi=
c in this case as well?</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><=
br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">thanks,</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">pk</font></div><div><font face=3D"aria=
l, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:51 AM Ketan Talau=
likar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ke=
tant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>When the acceptance criteria fails, the update=
 is considered malformed and the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset w=
ould be the error handling based on what the specific error is as described
 in sec 5.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">A router that receives an SR Policy update that =
is not valid<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 according to these criteria MUST tr=
eat the update as malformed and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 the SR Policy candidate path MUST N=
OT be passed to the SRPM.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specif=
y the treatment for errors in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=
=E2=80=99s existing TLVs) and then the new ones introduced in this document=
. E.g.
 for the TLV/sub-TLVs in the Tunnel Encap attribute (new and old)<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">In case of any error detected, either<u></=
u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 at the attribute or its TLV/s=
ub-TLV level, the &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 strategy of [<a href=3D"https=
://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606" title=3D"&quot;Revised Error Handling for B=
GP UPDATE Messages&quot;" target=3D"_blank">RFC7606</a>] MUST be applied.<u=
></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hope that clarifies.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2019 00:47<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</=
a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=
=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:manoharan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Thank you for the updated version. I&#39;m sti=
ll reviewing it, but spotted something I wanted to quickly clarify.<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ver-7 of section &quot;4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Po=
licy NLRI&quot; had text mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail.=
 In ver-8 this has been removed, and I can&#39;t quite tell what text in se=
ction &quot;5 Error Handling&quot; covers this? I&#39;m assuming
 we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria fail. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please clarify.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nandan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ke=
tant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,<br>
<br>
This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards WG=
LC .<br>
<br>
The following is the high level overview of the changes:<br>
<br>
1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been cons=
olidated.<br>
<br>
2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community reserve=
d field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE guideli=
nes since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.<br>
<br>
3) Added security consideration section.<br>
<br>
4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation as=
 per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the match=
ing with BGP Router ID part.<br>
<br>
5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with =
upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove confusio=
n between the segment types and the protocol code-points as discussed on th=
e Spring and IDR lists recently.<br>
<br>
Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for WG=
LC.<br>
<br>
We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki be=
low and would request WG members to help update the same as there are multi=
ple shipping implementations of this specification:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi=
ng-te-policy%20implementations%20" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/=
trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy%20implementations%20=
</a><br>
<br>
Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in Singap=
ore.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr=
-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of
<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draf=
ts@ietf.org</a><br>
Sent: 19 November 2019 14:25<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i-d-announce=
@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<=
br>
<br>
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Advertising Segment<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Policies in BGP<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Stef=
ano Previdi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Clarence Filsfils<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ketan Talaulikar<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul Mattes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eric Rosen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dhanendra Jain<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Steven Lin<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 38<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2019-11-18<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.=
=C2=A0 An SR<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or =
more<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0segment lists.=C2=A0 The headend of an SR Policy may learn mul=
tiple<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0candidate paths for an SR Policy.=C2=A0 Candidate paths may be=
 learned via<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or=
 BGP.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribute SR Policy candidate paths.=C2=A0 New sub-TLVs for t=
he Tunnel<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information =
about<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0these candidate paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-=
te-policy/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i=
dr-segment-routing-te-policy/</a><br>
<br>
There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-po=
licy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segme=
nt-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-rou=
ting-te-policy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/=
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<br>
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Hi Ketan,
 Please see inline, [nandan]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> When the acceptance criteria fails, the update is considered malformed an=
d
> the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset would be the error handling
> based on what the specific error is as described in sec 5.
>
>
>
> In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.
>
>
>
> A router that receives an SR Policy update that is not valid
>
>    according to these criteria MUST treat the update as malformed and
>
>    the SR Policy candidate path MUST NOT be passed to the SRPM.
>
>
>
> Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specify the treatment for errors
> in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=E2=80=99s existing TLVs)=
 and then
> the new ones introduced in this document. E.g. for the TLV/sub-TLVs in th=
e
> Tunnel Encap attribute (new and old)
>
>
>
> In case of any error detected, either
>
>    at the attribute or its TLV/sub-TLV level, the "treat-as-withdraw"
>
>    strategy of [RFC7606 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606>] MUST be ap=
plied.
>
> I don't think this is sufficient, since the acceptance can fail even if
the RT_TGT and NO_ADV communities aren't present. These are not part of
Tunnel Encap Attribute nor NLRI.

>
>
> Hope that clarifies.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 20 November 2019 00:47
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>;
> Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>  Thank you for the updated version. I'm still reviewing it, but spotted
> something I wanted to quickly clarify.
>
>
>
> ver-7 of section "4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI" had text
> mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail. In ver-8 this has been
> removed, and I can't quite tell what text in section "5 Error Handling"
> covers this? I'm assuming we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria
> fail.
>
> Please clarify.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nandan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards
> WGLC .
>
> The following is the high level overview of the changes:
>
> 1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been
> consolidated.
>
> 2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community
> reserved field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added D=
E
> guidelines since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.
>
> 3) Added security consideration section.
>
> 4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation
> as per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the
> matching with BGP Router ID part.
>
> 5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align wit=
h
> upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove
> confusion between the segment types and the protocol code-points as
> discussed on the Spring and IDR lists recently.
>
> Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for
> WGLC.
>
> We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki
> below and would request WG members to help update the same as there are
> multiple shipping implementations of this specification:
>
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy%20implementations%20
>
> Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in
> Singapore.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 19 November 2019 14:25
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.tx=
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>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Advertising Segment
>     Routing Policies in BGP
>         Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>                           Clarence Filsfils
>                           Ketan Talaulikar
>                           Paul Mattes
>                           Eric Rosen
>                           Dhanendra Jain
>                           Steven Lin
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>         Pages           : 38
>         Date            : 2019-11-18
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
>    advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
>    Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
>    segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
>    candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
>    a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
>    This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
>    distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
>    Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
>    these candidate paths.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy=
/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-p=
olicy-08
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Ketan,</div><div>=C2=A0Please see=
 inline, [nandan]<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar=
 (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-4313157556253859286WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>When the acceptance criteria fails, the update=
 is considered malformed and the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset w=
ould be the error handling based on what the specific error is as described
 in sec 5.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">A router that receives an SR Policy update that =
is not valid<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 according to these criteria MUST tr=
eat the update as malformed and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 the SR Policy candidate path MUST N=
OT be passed to the SRPM.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specif=
y the treatment for errors in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=
=E2=80=99s existing TLVs) and then the new ones introduced in this document=
. E.g.
 for the TLV/sub-TLVs in the Tunnel Encap attribute (new and old)<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">In case of any error detected, either<u></=
u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 at the attribute or its TLV/s=
ub-TLV level, the &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 strategy of [<a href=3D"https=
://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606" title=3D"&quot;Revised Error Handling for B=
GP UPDATE Messages&quot;" target=3D"_blank">RFC7606</a>] MUST be applied.</=
span></pre></div></div></blockquote><div>I don&#39;t think this is sufficie=
nt, since the acceptance can fail even if the RT_TGT and NO_ADV communities=
 aren&#39;t present. These are not part of Tunnel Encap Attribute nor NLRI.=
 <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"E=
N-IN"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-4313157556253859286WordSection1"><pre><span st=
yle=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hope that clarifies.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2019 00:47<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</=
a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=
=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:manoharan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Thank you for the updated version. I&#39;m sti=
ll reviewing it, but spotted something I wanted to quickly clarify.<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ver-7 of section &quot;4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Po=
licy NLRI&quot; had text mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail.=
 In ver-8 this has been removed, and I can&#39;t quite tell what text in se=
ction &quot;5 Error Handling&quot; covers this? I&#39;m assuming
 we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria fail. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please clarify.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nandan<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ke=
tant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,<br>
<br>
This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards WG=
LC .<br>
<br>
The following is the high level overview of the changes:<br>
<br>
1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been cons=
olidated.<br>
<br>
2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community reserve=
d field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE guideli=
nes since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.<br>
<br>
3) Added security consideration section.<br>
<br>
4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation as=
 per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the match=
ing with BGP Router ID part.<br>
<br>
5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with =
upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove confusio=
n between the segment types and the protocol code-points as discussed on th=
e Spring and IDR lists recently.<br>
<br>
Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for WG=
LC.<br>
<br>
We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki be=
low and would request WG members to help update the same as there are multi=
ple shipping implementations of this specification:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi=
ng-te-policy%20implementations%20" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/=
trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy%20implementations%20=
</a><br>
<br>
Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in Singap=
ore.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
<br>
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ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Advertising Segment<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Policies in BGP<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Stef=
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 2019-11-18<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.=
=C2=A0 An SR<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or =
more<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0segment lists.=C2=A0 The headend of an SR Policy may learn mul=
tiple<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0candidate paths for an SR Policy.=C2=A0 Candidate paths may be=
 learned via<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or=
 BGP.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribute SR Policy candidate paths.=C2=A0 New sub-TLVs for t=
he Tunnel<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information =
about<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0these candidate paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-=
te-policy/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i=
dr-segment-routing-te-policy/</a><br>
<br>
There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
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licy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segme=
nt-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-rou=
ting-te-policy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/=
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<br>
A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
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        Title           : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries
        Author          : Adrian Farrel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt
	Pages           : 5
	Date            : 2019-11-19

Abstract:
   RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS).  IANA
   created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border
   Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a
   number of sub-registries.  The allocation policy applied by IANA for
   those policies is "Specification Required" as defined in RFC 8126.

   This document updates RFC 7752 by changing the allocation policy for
   all of the registries to "Expert Review" and by updating the guidance
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Sorry, got a bit bogged down this week (currently at some sort of =
conference).

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I just posted draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 and I consider there are =
no further changes needed to the document, but would be happy to hear =
different form the WG.

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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Idr:=20

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Thank you for all your input on =
draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.  This draft is accepted as a =
IDR WG document, and Adrian should submit this as;

draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt =20

=20

We will start the WG call by Thursday.  Please send any comments to =
Adrian for incorporation in the document.=20

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Sue Hares=20

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Greetings IDR:=20

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was inconclusive.  We had clear support, but just not enough response.=20

This is a second WG adoption call.=20

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This draft proposes to refine the instructions for RFC7752=20

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Registry"

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry, got =
a bit bogged down this week (currently at some sort of =
conference).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I just =
posted draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00 and I consider there are no =
further changes needed to the document, but would be happy to hear =
different form the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bored with =
reading Interent-Drafts?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Read some =
fairy stories for adults of all ages instead.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 Tales from the Wood<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 More Tales from the Wood<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 Tales from Beyond the Wood<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 Tales from the Castle<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Get them on line =
https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Or buy a signed copy from me by post<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>*** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-106 to get a copy =
***<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Idr =
&lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 November 2019 04:57<br><b>To:</b> =
idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03.txt - second call [11/3 to 11/17] - =
consensus adopted<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Idr: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thank you =
for all your input on draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.&nbsp; =
This draft is accepted as a IDR WG document, and Adrian should submit =
this as;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We will =
start the WG call by Thursday.&nbsp; Please send any comments to Adrian =
for incorporation in the document. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Idr =
[mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
idr@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG adoption of =
draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-03.txt - second call [11/3 to =
11/17]<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>Greetings IDR: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>The adoption call for =
&nbsp;draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>was inconclusive. &nbsp;We had clear support, =
but just not enough response. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>This is a second WG adoption call. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>This draft proposes to refine the instructions =
for RFC7752 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>&quot;Border Gateway Protocol =E2=80=93 Link =
&nbsp;&nbsp;State (BGP-LS) Parameters =
Registry&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>from Designated Expert to&nbsp; Expert =
Review.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>These are both technical reviews prior to =
assignments of <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>code point or code points in the registry. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>The only difference is instructions for the =
review. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>Please read this draft and consider if the =
changes for the <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>BGP-LS review will speed up the BGP-LS =
parameter assignments. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>John and I anticipate that expert reviews will =
allow code request for <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>BGP-LS quicker response to code requests. =
&nbsp;We encourage the WG to <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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Adrian: 

 

For the good the IESG approval process, would you mind responding with your
IPR statement regarding this draft. 

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

 

I do not suspect the status has changed, but a moment of your time will
reassure our fellows Internauts.   

 

After I receive the IPR statement the WG LC will start.  

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

(So onward we go with our process  

To boldly seek and new IPR declarations

In many nations ). 

 

 

 


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<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For the good the IESG approval process, would you mind =
responding with your IPR statement regarding this draft. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>I do not suspect the status has changed, but a moment =
of your time will reassure our fellows Internauts.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After I receive the IPR statement the WG LC will =
start.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheerily, Susan Hares<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Hi Sue,

 

No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document.

 

Best,

Adrian

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 20 November 2019 03:34
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] IPR call - prior to WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry

 

Adrian: 

 

For the good the IESG approval process, would you mind responding with your
IPR statement regarding this draft. 

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

 

I do not suspect the status has changed, but a moment of your time will
reassure our fellows Internauts.   

 

After I receive the IPR statement the WG LC will start.  

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

(So onward we go with our process  

To boldly seek and new IPR declarations

In many nations ). 

 

 

 


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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.  

You can view the document at:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

 

As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian's proposal will  

help speed up the reviews for  BGP-LS values to be assigned out 

of the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" 

by change the review  to Expert review. 

 

Please review this short document and see if you agree with John and I. 

 

If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian will be happy to discuss it with
you. 

 

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&nbsp;BGP-LS values to be assigned out <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
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yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff
On Nov 20, 2019, 3:33 PM +0800, Susan Hares <shares=40ndzh.com>, wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.
> You can view the document at:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/
>
> As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian=E2=80=99s proposa=
l will
> help speed up the reviews for =C2=A0BGP-LS values to be assigned out
> of the =22Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Regi=
stry=22
> by change the review =C2=A0to Expert review.
>
> Please review this short document and see if you agree with John and I.=

>
> If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian will be happy to discuss it=
 with you.
>
> Cheerily, Susan Hares
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<div class=3D=22match=46ont=22>Cheers,
<div>Jeff</div>
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<div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On Nov 20, 2019, 3:33 PM +0800, Sus=
an Hares &lt;shares=40ndzh.com&gt;, wrote:<br />
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&quot;=22>This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-0=
0.txt.&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22>You can view the document at:</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22><a href=3D=22https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bg=
p-ls-registry/=22>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-=
registry/</a></span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22>As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian=E2=80=99s=
 proposal will &=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22>help speed up the reviews for &=23160;BGP-LS values to be assig=
ned out</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;=22>of the</span> <span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>=22<b>Border Gateway Protocol - Link =
State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry</b>=22</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>by change the review</span> <span =
style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span><span st=
yle=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=
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ew&quot;=22></span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>Please review this short document =
and see if you agree with John and I.</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>If you find an problem in the draf=
t, Adrian will be happy to discuss it with you.</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
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Support the publication.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 20 November 2019 15:33
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt - WG LC (11/20 to 12/3=
/2019)

This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.
You can view the document at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian's proposal will
help speed up the reviews for  BGP-LS values to be assigned out
of the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"
by change the review  to Expert review.

Please review this short document and see if you agree with John and I.

If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian will be happy to discuss it wit=
h you.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black">Please review this short docume=
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family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black">If you find an problem in the d=
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From: Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:27:15 +0530
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Hi Ketan,


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:48 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> Will adding the following text in Sec 5 address your concern?
>
>
>
> An SR Policy update that is determined to be not acceptable, and therefor=
e
> malformed, based on rules described in section 4.2.1 MUST be handled by t=
he
> "treat-as-withdraw" strategy.
>
Yes, I think adding this text makes things clearer!

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 20 November 2019 11:02
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>;
> Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>  Please see inline, [nandan]
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> When the acceptance criteria fails, the update is considered malformed an=
d
> the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset would be the error handling
> based on what the specific error is as described in sec 5.
>
>
>
> In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.
>
>
>
> A router that receives an SR Policy update that is not valid
>
>    according to these criteria MUST treat the update as malformed and
>
>    the SR Policy candidate path MUST NOT be passed to the SRPM.
>
>
>
> Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specify the treatment for errors
> in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=E2=80=99s existing TLVs)=
 and then
> the new ones introduced in this document. E.g. for the TLV/sub-TLVs in th=
e
> Tunnel Encap attribute (new and old)
>
>
>
> In case of any error detected, either
>
>    at the attribute or its TLV/sub-TLV level, the "treat-as-withdraw"
>
>    strategy of [RFC7606 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606>] MUST be ap=
plied.
>
> I don't think this is sufficient, since the acceptance can fail even if
> the RT_TGT and NO_ADV communities aren't present. These are not part of
> Tunnel Encap Attribute nor NLRI.
>
>
>
> Hope that clarifies.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 20 November 2019 00:47
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>;
> Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>  Thank you for the updated version. I'm still reviewing it, but spotted
> something I wanted to quickly clarify.
>
>
>
> ver-7 of section "4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Policy NLRI" had text
> mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail. In ver-8 this has been
> removed, and I can't quite tell what text in section "5 Error Handling"
> covers this? I'm assuming we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria
> fail.
>
> Please clarify.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nandan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards
> WGLC .
>
> The following is the high level overview of the changes:
>
> 1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been
> consolidated.
>
> 2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community
> reserved field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added D=
E
> guidelines since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.
>
> 3) Added security consideration section.
>
> 4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation
> as per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the
> matching with BGP Router ID part.
>
> 5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align wit=
h
> upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove
> confusion between the segment types and the protocol code-points as
> discussed on the Spring and IDR lists recently.
>
> Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for
> WGLC.
>
> We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki
> below and would request WG members to help update the same as there are
> multiple shipping implementations of this specification:
>
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy%20implementations%20
>
> Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in
> Singapore.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 19 November 2019 14:25
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.tx=
t
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Advertising Segment
>     Routing Policies in BGP
>         Authors         : Stefano Previdi
>                           Clarence Filsfils
>                           Ketan Talaulikar
>                           Paul Mattes
>                           Eric Rosen
>                           Dhanendra Jain
>                           Steven Lin
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>         Pages           : 38
>         Date            : 2019-11-18
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order to
>    advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.  An SR
>    Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or more
>    segment lists.  The headend of an SR Policy may learn multiple
>    candidate paths for an SR Policy.  Candidate paths may be learned via
>    a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or BGP.
>    This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to
>    distribute SR Policy candidate paths.  New sub-TLVs for the Tunnel
>    Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information about
>    these candidate paths.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy=
/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-p=
olicy-08
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Ketan,</div><div>=C2=A0<br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:48 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_1138072680397106714WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Will adding the following text in Sec 5 addres=
s your concern?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
An SR Policy update that is determined to be not acceptable, and therefore =
malformed, based on rules described in section 4.2.1 MUST be handled by the=
 &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot;
 strategy.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes, I think adding this=
 text makes things clearer! <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-IN"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1138072680397106714W=
ordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2019 11:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</=
a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=
=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:manoharan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Please see inline, [nandan]<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ke=
tant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When the acceptance criteria fails, the update is co=
nsidered malformed and the TAW or AFI/SAFI disable or session reset would b=
e the error handling based on what the specific error
 is as described in sec 5.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In Sec 4.2.1 we have the following text.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">A router that receives an SR Policy update that =
is not valid</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 according to these criteria MUST tr=
eat the update as malformed and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 the SR Policy candidate path MUST N=
OT be passed to the SRPM.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then in the Sec 5 for error handling we specify the =
treatment for errors in the NLRI part, the Tunnel Encap Attribute (it=E2=80=
=99s existing TLVs) and then the new ones introduced in this
 document. E.g. for the TLV/sub-TLVs in the Tunnel Encap attribute (new and=
 old)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">In case of any error detected, either</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 at the attribute or its TLV/s=
ub-TLV level, the &quot;treat-as-withdraw&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 strategy of [<a href=3D"https=
://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7606" title=3D"&quot;Revised Error Handling for B=
GP UPDATE Messages&quot;" target=3D"_blank">RFC7606</a>] MUST be applied.</=
span><u></u><u></u></pre>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#39;t think this is sufficient, since the acce=
ptance can fail even if the RT_TGT and NO_ADV communities aren&#39;t presen=
t. These are not part of Tunnel Encap Attribute nor NLRI.
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope that clarifies.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2019 00:47<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</=
a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=
=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:manoharan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0Thank you for the updated version. I&#39;m sti=
ll reviewing it, but spotted something I wanted to quickly clarify.<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ver-7 of section &quot;4.2.1. Acceptance of an SR Po=
licy NLRI&quot; had text mandating RFC7606 TAW if acceptance criteria fail.=
 In ver-8 this has been removed, and I can&#39;t quite tell what
 text in section &quot;5 Error Handling&quot; covers this? I&#39;m assuming=
 we still want to do TAW if acceptance criteria fail.
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please clarify.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nandan<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ke=
tant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,<br>
<br>
This update of the draft is to get it ready for the WG to review towards WG=
LC .<br>
<br>
The following is the high level overview of the changes:<br>
<br>
1) Introduced Error Handling section where all these aspects have been cons=
olidated.<br>
<br>
2) Added the request for IANA registry for Color Extended Community reserve=
d field. Changed the process to Specification Required and added DE guideli=
nes since the flags and other space is too small for FCFS.<br>
<br>
3) Added security consideration section.<br>
<br>
4) Add the clarification for handling of route target during propagation as=
 per the request and discussions on the mailer and also clarified the match=
ing with BGP Router ID part.<br>
<br>
5) Changed the segment type naming from numbers to alphabets to align with =
upcoming update in the draft-ietf-segment-routing-policy to remove confusio=
n between the segment types and the protocol code-points as discussed on th=
e Spring and IDR lists recently.<br>
<br>
Besides this, there are other minor and editorial changes to prepare for WG=
LC.<br>
<br>
We are also trying to capture all the implementation reports at the wiki be=
low and would request WG members to help update the same as there are multi=
ple shipping implementations of this specification:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routi=
ng-te-policy%20implementations%20" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/=
trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy%20implementations%20=
</a><br>
<br>
Also note that the draft is on IDR agenda for presentation on Thu in Singap=
ore.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ketan (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr=
-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of
<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draf=
ts@ietf.org</a><br>
Sent: 19 November 2019 14:25<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i-d-announce=
@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<=
br>
<br>
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Advertising Segment<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Policies in BGP<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Stef=
ano Previdi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Clarence Filsfils<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ketan Talaulikar<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul Mattes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eric Rosen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dhanendra Jain<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Steven Lin<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 38<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2019-11-18<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a new BGP SAFI with a new NLRI in order =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertise a candidate path of a Segment Routing (SR) Policy.=
=C2=A0 An SR<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Policy is a set of candidate paths, each consisting of one or =
more<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0segment lists.=C2=A0 The headend of an SR Policy may learn mul=
tiple<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0candidate paths for an SR Policy.=C2=A0 Candidate paths may be=
 learned via<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a number of different mechanisms, e.g., CLI, NetConf, PCEP, or=
 BGP.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the way in which BGP may be used to<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribute SR Policy candidate paths.=C2=A0 New sub-TLVs for t=
he Tunnel<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Encapsulation Attribute are defined for signaling information =
about<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0these candidate paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-=
te-policy/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i=
dr-segment-routing-te-policy/</a><br>
<br>
There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-po=
licy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-segme=
nt-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-segment-rou=
ting-te-policy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/=
draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<br>
A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-segment-routi=
ng-te-policy-08" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraf=
t-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n until the htmlized version and diff are available at
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp=
.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
<br>
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Support the publication.

Thanks,
Shunwan


From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:33 PM
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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.
You can view the document at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian's proposal will
help speed up the reviews for  BGP-LS values to be assigned out
of the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"
by change the review  to Expert review.

Please review this short document and see if you agree with John and I.

If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian will be happy to discuss it wit=
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Cheerily, Susan Hares


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Przemek,

and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not
> accepted). Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are
> present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable
> and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not
> accepted, not necessarily usable, in order to propagate as stated in the
> following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous condition?
>

Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
and serve different purposes.

4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy
>
> It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when
> addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a
> distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is
> the reason for such distinction?
>

Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).

Thx,
R.


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ommunity are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:monospace;font-size:11=
.18px;white-space:pre-wrap">4.2.4.  Propagation of an SR Policy</span><font=
 face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><font colo=
r=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wra=
p">It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when addres=
sing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a distinctio=
n between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is the reason =
for such distinction?</span></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).=C2=A0<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Thx,<br></div><div>R.</div><div><br></div><blockqu=
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Hi Robert,

Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
and serve different purposes.

That's a good point, although in SRTE, NO_ADVERTISE community has a special
meaning on top of the "normal" propagation limitation.  Draft says 'either
OR' so, in my opinion, this implies 'AND' is not acceptable. If that's the
case, then NLRI should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both are
acceptable, then it should probably state 'either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot
both'.

Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).

Fair enough. I was reading the previous version as 'by default don't
propagate but you may' and was only curious why IBGP vs EBGP distinction
was made in this version. Security aspect does sound like a good
justification for it.

thanks,


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:

> Przemek,
>
> and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not
>> accepted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are
>> present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable
>> and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not
>> accepted, not necessarily usable, in order to propagate as stated in the
>> following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous condition?
>>
>
> Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
> import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
> and serve different purposes.
>
> 4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy
>>
>> It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when
>> addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a
>> distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is
>> the reason for such distinction?
>>
>
> Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Robert,<div><br></div><div>Why ? IMO when both present =
is a valid case as RT can be used locally for import as well. RT ext-commun=
ity and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes=
.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s a good point, although in S=
RTE, NO_ADVERTISE community has a special meaning on top of the &quot;norma=
l&quot; propagation limitation.=C2=A0 Draft says &#39;either OR&#39; so, in=
 my opinion, this implies &#39;AND&#39; is not acceptable. If that&#39;s th=
e case, then NLRI should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both are accept=
able, then it should probably state &#39;either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot both&=
#39;.</div><div><br></div><div>Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP woul=
d be a spec bug :).=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Fair enough. I was r=
eading the previous version as &#39;by default don&#39;t propagate but you =
may&#39; and was only curious why IBGP vs EBGP distinction was made in this=
 version. Security aspect does sound like a good justification for it.</div=
><div><br></div><div>thanks,</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10=
:18 PM Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net">robert@raszuk=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Przemek,</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not accep=
ted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are present? Ba=
sed on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable and in conse=
quence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not accepted, not=
 necessarily=C2=A0usable, in order to propagate as stated in the following =
section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous=C2=A0condition?</div></d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why ? IMO when both present is a valid =
case as RT can be used locally for import as well. RT ext-community and NO_=
ADV community are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0</di=
v><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><s=
pan>4.2.4.  Propagation of an SR Policy</span><font face=3D"arial, sans-ser=
if"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"ar=
ial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">It seems that the ori=
ginal wording was referring to just BGP when addressing the default propaga=
tion. In the current version, there is a distinction between EBGP (do not p=
ropagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is the reason for such distinction?</s=
pan></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Say when you are on=
 RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>Thx,<br></div><div>R.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
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lor:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:small"><td nowrap style=
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Hi Ketan/PK,

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:57 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi PK,
>
>
>
> I will make the text change for the community part as discussed below in
> the next update.
>
Just to confirm, we're not treating both RT_TGT and NO_ADV  being present
as an error, right? The update will only be to clarify that both are
allowed together.

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Przemyslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com>
> *Sent:* 21 November 2019 05:39
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; idr@ietf.org; Prakash
> Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <
> manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
> import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
> and serve different purposes.
>
>
>
> That's a good point, although in SRTE, NO_ADVERTISE community has a
> special meaning on top of the "normal" propagation limitation.  Draft says
> 'either OR' so, in my opinion, this implies 'AND' is not acceptable. If
> that's the case, then NLRI should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both
> are acceptable, then it should probably state 'either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot
> both'.
>
>
>
> Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).
>
>
>
> Fair enough. I was reading the previous version as 'by default don't
> propagate but you may' and was only curious why IBGP vs EBGP distinction
> was made in this version. Security aspect does sound like a good
> justification for it.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>
> Przemek,
>
>
>
> and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not
> accepted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are
> present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable
> and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not
> accepted, not necessarily usable, in order to propagate as stated in the
> following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous condition?
>
>
>
> Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
> import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
> and serve different purposes.
>
>
>
> 4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy
>
>
>
> It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when
> addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a
> distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is
> the reason for such distinction?
>
>
>
> Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Przemyslaw Gniewomir "PK" Krol |
>
>   Network Engineer
>
> ing | pkrol@google.com
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Ketan/PK,<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:57 AM Ketan=
 Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_332827973393019751WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi PK,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I will make the text change for the community =
part as discussed below in the next update.</span></p></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div>Just to confirm, we&#39;re not treating both RT_TGT and NO_ADV=C2=
=A0 being present as an error, right? The update will only be to clarify th=
at both are allowed together.<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-IN"><div class=3D"gmail-m_332827973393019751W=
ordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Przemyslaw Krol &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pkrol@google.com" target=
=3D"_blank">pkrol@google.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 November 2019 05:39<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D=
"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>; Prakash Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;=
; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manoharan@arista.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT ca=
n be used locally for import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community=
 are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">That&#39;s a good point, although in SRTE, NO_ADVERT=
ISE community has a special meaning on top of the &quot;normal&quot; propag=
ation limitation.=C2=A0 Draft says &#39;either OR&#39; so, in my opinion, t=
his implies &#39;AND&#39; is not acceptable. If that&#39;s the case, then
 NLRI should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both are acceptable, then i=
t should probably state &#39;either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot both&#39;.<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a s=
pec bug :).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fair enough. I was reading the previous version as &=
#39;by default don&#39;t propagate but you may&#39; and was only curious wh=
y IBGP vs EBGP distinction was made in this version. Security aspect does s=
ound like a good justification for it.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert Raszuk &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>=
&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Przemek,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and clearly states the behavior when both are missin=
g (policy not accepted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when b=
oth are present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acce=
ptable and in consequence neither
 accepted locally not propagated down (must not accepted, not necessarily=
=C2=A0usable, in order to propagate as stated in the following section). Sh=
ould it be clearly stated as erroneous=C2=A0condition?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT ca=
n be used locally for import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community=
 are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:black">It seems that the original wording was referring to just B=
GP when addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there i=
s a distinction between EBGP (do not propagate)
 and IBGP (propagate). What is the reason for such distinction?</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a s=
pec bug :).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">R.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
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l&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85)">Przemyslaw Gniewomir &quot;PK&quot;=
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l&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85)">=C2=A0 Network Engineer<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85);border:1.5pt solid rgb(51,105,232);p=
adding:2pt">ing |</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85);border:1.5pt solid rgb(0,153,57);pa=
dding:2pt">=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pkrol@google.com" target=3D"_blank"><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">pkrol@google.com</span></a>=C2=A0</span><s=
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:29:41 +0800
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Thanks folks.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi Nandan,
>
>
>
> Yes. That is correct.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Nandan Saha <nandan@arista.com>
> *Sent:* 21 November 2019 12:00
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Przemyslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com>; Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>;
> idr@ietf.org; Prakash Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>; Manoharan
> Sundaramoorthy <manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Ketan/PK,
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:57 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi PK,
>
>
>
> I will make the text change for the community part as discussed below in
> the next update.
>
> Just to confirm, we're not treating both RT_TGT and NO_ADV  being present
> as an error, right? The update will only be to clarify that both are
> allowed together.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Przemyslaw Krol <pkrol@google.com>
> *Sent:* 21 November 2019 05:39
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; idr@ietf.org; Prakash
> Badrinarayanan <prakash@arista.com>; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy <
> manoharan@arista.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-08.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
> import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
> and serve different purposes.
>
>
>
> That's a good point, although in SRTE, NO_ADVERTISE community has a
> special meaning on top of the "normal" propagation limitation.  Draft says
> 'either OR' so, in my opinion, this implies 'AND' is not acceptable. If
> that's the case, then NLRI should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both
> are acceptable, then it should probably state 'either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot
> both'.
>
>
>
> Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).
>
>
>
> Fair enough. I was reading the previous version as 'by default don't
> propagate but you may' and was only curious why IBGP vs EBGP distinction
> was made in this version. Security aspect does sound like a good
> justification for it.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>
> Przemek,
>
>
>
> and clearly states the behavior when both are missing (policy not
> accepted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when both are
> present? Based on the above wording this would deem policy not acceptable
> and in consequence neither accepted locally not propagated down (must not
> accepted, not necessarily usable, in order to propagate as stated in the
> following section). Should it be clearly stated as erroneous condition?
>
>
>
> Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT can be used locally for
> import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community are pretty orthogonal
> and serve different purposes.
>
>
>
> 4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy
>
>
>
> It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when
> addressing the default propagation. In the current version, there is a
> distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate). What is
> the reason for such distinction?
>
>
>
> Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a spec bug :).
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Przemyslaw Gniewomir "PK" Krol |
>
>   Network Engineer
>
> ing | pkrol@google.com
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks folks.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Ketan Talaul=
ikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-762183194422829437WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Nandan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Yes. That is correct.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Nandan Saha &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nandan@arista.com" target=3D"=
_blank">nandan@arista.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 November 2019 12:00<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Przemyslaw Krol &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pkrol@google.com" target=
=3D"_blank">pkrol@google.com</a>&gt;; Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
obert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"m=
ailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>; Prakash Badrinaraya=
nan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">prakash@ari=
sta.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manoharan@a=
rista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Ketan/PK,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:57 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ke=
tant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi PK,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I will make the text change for the community part a=
s discussed below in the next update.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just to confirm, we&#39;re not treating both RT_TGT =
and NO_ADV=C2=A0 being present as an error, right? The update will only be =
to clarify that both are allowed together.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Przemyslaw Krol &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pkrol@google.com" target=
=3D"_blank">pkrol@google.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 November 2019 05:39<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D=
"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>; Prakash=
 Badrinarayanan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:prakash@arista.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>prakash@arista.com</a>&gt;; Manoharan Sundaramoorthy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:manoharan@arista.com" target=3D"_blank">manoharan@arista.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-pol=
icy-08.txt</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT ca=
n be used locally for import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community=
 are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">That&#39;s a good point, although in SRTE, NO_ADVERT=
ISE community has a special meaning on top of the &quot;normal&quot; propag=
ation limitation.=C2=A0 Draft says &#39;either OR&#39; so, in my opinion, t=
his
 implies &#39;AND&#39; is not acceptable. If that&#39;s the case, then NLRI=
 should be dropped. If, on the other hand, both are acceptable, then it sho=
uld probably state &#39;either RT or NO_ADVERTISE ot both&#39;.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a s=
pec bug :).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fair enough. I was reading the previous version as &=
#39;by default don&#39;t propagate but you may&#39; and was only curious wh=
y IBGP vs EBGP distinction was made in this version. Security
 aspect does sound like a good justification for it.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert Raszuk &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>=
&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none current=
color;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Przemek,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none current=
color;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and clearly states the behavior when both are missin=
g (policy not accepted).. Do you see a value in stating the behavior when b=
oth are present? Based on the above wording this would
 deem policy not acceptable and in consequence neither accepted locally not=
 propagated down (must not accepted, not necessarily=C2=A0usable, in order =
to propagate as stated in the following section). Should it be clearly stat=
ed as erroneous=C2=A0condition?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Why ? IMO when both present is a valid case as RT ca=
n be used locally for import as well. RT ext-community and NO_ADV community=
 are pretty orthogonal and serve different purposes.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4.2.4. Propagation of an SR Policy<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">It seems that the original wording was referring to just BGP when addr=
essing the default propagation. In the current version,
 there is a distinction between EBGP (do not propagate) and IBGP (propagate=
). What is the reason for such distinction?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Say when you are on RR suppressing IBGP would be a s=
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Support.

   Les

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:33 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt - WG LC (11/20 to 12/3=
/2019)

This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.
You can view the document at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/

As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian's proposal will
help speed up the reviews for  BGP-LS values to be assigned out
of the "Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry"
by change the review  to Expert review.

Please review this short document and see if you agree with John and I.

If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian will be happy to discuss it wit=
h you.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; Les<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>
Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt - WG LC (11/20 =
to 12/3/2019)<o:p></o:p></p>
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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-00.txt.&nbsp;
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You can view the document at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/=
">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/</a><o:p>=
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As you have read in previous, John and I think Adrian&#8217;s proposal will=
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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help speed up the reviews for &nbsp;BGP-LS values to be assigned out
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of the </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New=
&quot;;color:black">&quot;<b>Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) =
Parameters Registry</b>&quot;
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urier New&quot;;color:black">by change the review
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:blac=
k">to Expert review.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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ou agree with John and I.
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urier New&quot;;color:black">If you find an problem in the draft, Adrian wi=
ll be happy to discuss it with you.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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Hi John,

In the summary of your autodiscovery topic you seems to be putting all
autodiscovery proposals into one basket.

However to the best of my understanding of this topic most proposals are
about discovery in the DC space.

There is one though which started many years before Acee's proposal which
aims at WAN iBGP and now also eBGP autodiscovery.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-05

Are we skipping it as not important one ?

Or are we agree to treat it as separate enough use case that we could grant
its right to proceed independent from other sort of p2p session
establishment proposals ?

Would that be also part of this design team discussions or not ?

Please kindly clarify.

Thank you,
Robert.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi John,<div><br></div><div>In the summary of your autodis=
covery topic you seems to be putting all autodiscovery proposals into one b=
asket.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>However to the best of my understandi=
ng of this topic most proposals are about discovery in the DC space.=C2=A0<=
/div><div><br></div><div>There is one though which started many years befor=
e Acee&#39;s proposal which aims at WAN iBGP and now also eBGP autodiscover=
y.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-05">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ras=
zuk-idr-bgp-auto-discovery-05</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Are we ski=
pping it as not important one ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Or are we ag=
ree to treat it as separate enough use case that we could grant its right t=
o proceed independent from other sort of p2p session establishment proposal=
s ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Would that be also part of this design t=
eam discussions or not ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Please kindly clari=
fy.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Robert.</div><div><br></d=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distribution of MPLS-TE Extended
    admin Group Using BGP-LS
        Authors         : Zitao Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Ketan Talaulikar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-10.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2019-11-21

Abstract:
   Administrative groups (commonly referred to as "colors" or "link
   colors") are link attributes that are advertised by link state
   protocols like IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate System) and
   OSPF (Open Shortest Path First) and used for traffic engineering.
   These administrative groups have initially been defined as a fixed-
   length 32-bit bitmask.  As networks grew and more use-cases were
   introduced, the 32-bit length was found to be constraining and hence
   extended administrative groups were introduced in the link state
   protocols.  The 32-bit administrative groups are already advertised
   as link attributes in BGP-LS.  This document introduces extensions to
   BGP-LS (Border Gateway Protocol Link-State) for advertisement of the
   extended administrative groups.


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Hi IDR,

Donatas has brought his little draft to me to consider for publication on
the Independent Stream.

We will be doing some edits along the way (including to mark the document as
not on the Standards Track).

I'm aware that there have been some discussions about this document in IDR
with debate about whether a more generic attribute would be useful, and
discussion about whether a well-known format of the version identifier
should be used.

The document is going forward in its current form and this is not a request
to reopen those old conversations, but reviews and comments are welcome.

This email serves two purposes:
1. To let you know of our plans for this document
2. To offer IDR the last chance to say "No, wait! This work really does need
to be done within the working group."

Thanks,
Adrian
Independent Submissions Editor (ISE)
rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distribution of Traffic Engineering Extended
    Admin Groups using BGP-LS
        Authors         : Zitao Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Ketan Talaulikar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-11.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2019-11-21

Abstract:
   Administrative groups (commonly referred to as "colors" or "link
   colors") are link attributes that are advertised by link state
   protocols like IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate System) and
   OSPF (Open Shortest Path First) and used for traffic engineering.
   These administrative groups have initially been defined as a fixed-
   length 32-bit bitmask.  As networks grew and more use-cases were
   introduced, the 32-bit length was found to be constraining and hence
   extended administrative groups were introduced in the link state
   protocols.  The 32-bit administrative groups are already advertised
   as link attributes in BGP-LS (Border Gateway Protocol Link-State).
   This document defines extensions to BGP-LS for advertisement of the
   extended administrative groups.


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Hi Sue & WG,

I support the publication of this document.

1) Yes
2) Yes, it's useful.
3) Yes, I think it's ready.
4) Yes

Thanks,
Shunwan

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:


1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?

2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification

3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?

4)      Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-=
redirect clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Shunwan<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On=
 Behalf Of
</b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flows=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You can obtain the draft at:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi authors,
Cc'ing John and Alvaro as the document has left IDR WG.

TL;DR: I think that you should remove "an "IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier)" T=
LV,"

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14#section-3.7 say=
s:

   [I-D.ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid] defines a BGP Path attribute known as
   the "Prefix-SID Attribute".  This attribute is defined to contain a
   sequence of one or more TLVs, where each TLV is either a "Label-
   Index" TLV, an "IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier)" TLV, or an "Originator
   SRGB (Source Routing Global Block)" TLV.


Actually latest version of [I-D.ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid] has removed the su=
pport for "IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier)" TLV


The value 2 previously corresponded to the IPv6 SID TLV which was

   specified in previous versions of this document.  It was removed and

   usage of the BGP Prefix-SID for Segment Routing over the IPv6

   dataplane [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing<https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing>] has b=
een deferred to

   future specifications.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27#section-7


Best regards,
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Hi authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Cc&#8217;ing John and Alvaro as the document has left IDR WG.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">TL;DR: I think that you should remove &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-=
font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast=
-language:FR">an
 &quot;IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier)&quot; TLV,&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14#s=
ection-3.7">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-14#sec=
tion-3.7</a> says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
</span>[<a name=3D"ref-I-D.ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid">I-</a><span class=3D"Sp=
ellE"><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:&quot;ref-I-D\.ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid&qu=
ot;">D.ietf</span></span><span style=3D"mso-bookmark:&quot;ref-I-D\.ietf-id=
r-bgp-prefix-sid&quot;">-idr-<span class=3D"SpellE">bgp</span>-prefix-<span=
 class=3D"SpellE">sid</span></span>]
 defines a BGP Path attribute known as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
</span>the &quot;Prefix-SID Attribute&quot;.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes=
">&nbsp; </span>This attribute is defined to contain a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
</span>sequence of one or more TLVs, where each TLV is either a &quot;Label=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
</span>Index&quot; TLV, an &quot;IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier)&quot; TLV, o=
r an &quot;Originator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
</span>SRGB (Source Routing Global Block)&quot; TLV.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Actually latest version of
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR">[I-<span class=3D"SpellE">D.ietf</=
span>-idr-<span class=3D"SpellE">bgp</span>-prefix-<span class=3D"SpellE">s=
id</span>]
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">has removed t=
he support for
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR">&quot;IPv6 SID (Segment Identifier=
)&quot; TLV<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">The value 2 pre=
viously corresponded to the IPv6 SID TLV which was<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>specified in previous versions of thi=
s document.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>It was removed an=
d<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>usage of the BGP Prefix-SID for Segme=
nt Routing over the IPv6<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span class=3D"SpellE">dataplane</spa=
n> [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix=
-sid-27#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing=
 Architecture&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:=
Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I-<span class=3D"SpellE">D.ietf</span>-spr=
ing-segment-routing</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-US">] has been deferred to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>future <span class=3D"SpellE">=
specifications</span>.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><a href=3D"https:/=
/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27#section-7">https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-27#section-7</a><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">--Bruno<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On November 26, 2019 at 10:38:01 AM, bruno.decraene=40orange.com wrote:

Hi=21

> Cc=E2=80=99ing John and Alvaro as the document has left IDR WG.

I haven't reached this document yet, so any changes are ok as long as the=
re is WG consensus. =C2=A0John (as Chair and Shepherd) can take care of t=
hat.


> TL;DR: I think that you should remove =E2=80=9Can =22IPv6 SID (Segment =
Identifier)=22=C2=A0
> TLV,=E2=80=9D

=46WIW, the proposal makes sense to me.

Thanks for catching that early. :-)

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Neighbor Discovery
        Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Kunyang Bi
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Nikos Triantafillis
	Filename        : draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery-12.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2019-11-26

Abstract:
   BGP is being used as the underlay routing protocol in some large-
   scaled data centers (DCs).  Most popular design followed is to do
   hop-by-hop external BGP (EBGP) session configurations between
   neighboring routers on a per link basis.  The provisioning of BGP
   neighbors in routers across such a DC brings its own operational
   complexity.

   This document introduces a BGP neighbor discovery mechanism that
   greatly simplifies BGP operations in such DC and other networks by
   automatic setup of BGP sessions between neighbor routers using this
   mechanism.


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Hi Sue & WG,

I support the publication of this document.

1) Yes
2) Yes, it's useful for adjust traffic
3) Yes.
4) Yes

Thanks,
Shunwan


From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
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To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:


1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?

2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification

3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?

4)      Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-=
redirect clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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We have implemented this draft in commercial code. See tracking wiki:
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect%2=
0implementations

Not sure if required from WG operational perspective: As co-author I suppor=
t publication.

G/

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 13:24
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019]

Hi Sue & WG,

I support the publication of this document.

1) Yes
2) Yes, it's useful for adjust traffic
3) Yes.
4) Yes

Thanks,
Shunwan


From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:


  1.  Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
  2.  Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification
  3.  Is this technology ready for deployment?
  4.  Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-re=
direct clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We have implemented this draft in commercial code. S=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft=
-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect%20implementations">https://trac.ietf.org/t=
rac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect%20implementations</a><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Not sure if required from WG operational perspective=
: As co-author I support publication.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">G/<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>
Wanghaibo (Rainsword)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 28, 2019 13:24<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;; idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Hi Sue &amp; WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">I support the publication of this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">1) Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">2) Yes, it&#8217;s useful for adjust traffic<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">3) Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">4) Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Idr [<a href=3D"mailt=
o:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">This begi=
ns a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">You can o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbs=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Thank you=
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Hi Sue & WG,
I support the last call of this document as the co-author. In the past year=
s it is proved that the use cases proposed in the draft is very useful
and the solution is practical. After several rounds of refining the documen=
t is well written and ready for publication.


Best Regards,
Zhenbin (Robin)




From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:

1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification
3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?
4)      Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-=
redirect clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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&amp; WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I suppo=
rt the last call of this document as the co-author. In the past years it is=
 proved that the use cases proposed in the draft is very useful
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">and the=
 solution is practical. After several rounds of refining the document is we=
ll written and ready for publication.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best Re=
gards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Zhenbin=
 (Robin)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Idr [<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:idr-bounces=
@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This begins a 2 week WG Last ca=
ll on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019=
].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">You can obtain the draft at:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/">https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Consider in your review whether=
 this draft:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
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)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Is compatible with draf=
t-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2=
)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Whether the draft is us=
eful for deployments of flow specification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Is this technology read=
y for deployment?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">4=
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nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Is the write-up of this=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thank you for considering this =
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</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cheerily, Susan Hares <o:p></o:=
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Sue,



> On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>=20
> This begins a 2 week WG Last call on =
draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].=20=

> =20
> You can obtain the draft at:
> =20
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/
> =20
> Consider in your review whether this draft:=20
> =20
> 1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?=20

Yes.  (Close enough.)  The current version of the draft is =
implementable.

> 2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow =
specification

It can be useful.

> 3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?=20
> 4)      Is the write-up of this technology in =
draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for =
publication?=20

Ready with minor issues, IMO:

Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about =
interactions with other traffic actions.  This was a known headache for =
similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.  In particular, interaction with =
redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.

The text "A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one =
indirection-id per S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with =
lowest S-ID MUST be imposed first for any given flowspec entry."  =
There's no procedure for what happens in error handling when you do have =
more than one of the same S-ID.  The text about the case for S-ID of 0 =
is also a bit ambiguous.  It feels like it's reading "there is no =
sequence", but what do you do when you then have ones that do?

A few IANA issues:
I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point =
0x09).  However, the sub-type registry is not established for some =
reason?
The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.  Values 1-5 are =
defined in this draft.

The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.  In the past, =
we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until =
we need to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensions.  =
I leave it to the chairs' opinion whether we want this a priori or not.



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I support the publication of this draft. It provides the needed capability =
to perform redirection to tunnel in general and to segment routing tunnel i=
n particular.

Regards,
Mustapha.

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:42 AM
To: idr@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:


  1.  Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
  2.  Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification
  3.  Is this technology ready for deployment?
  4.  Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-re=
direct clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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tunnel in general and to segment routing tunnel
 in particular. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mustapha.<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 12:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This begins a 2 week WG Last ca=
ll on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019=
].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">You can obtain the draft at:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie=
tf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</span></a><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Consider in your review whether=
 this draft:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
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"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">Is this technology ready for deployment?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:=
0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Is the write-up of this t=
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<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thank you for considering this =
draft. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cheerily, Susan Hares <o:p></o:=
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Support, well written document

Regards

Hooman

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - C=
A/Ottawa)
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019]

I support the publication of this draft. It provides the needed capability =
to perform redirection to tunnel in general and to segment routing tunnel i=
n particular.

Regards,
Mustapha.

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of =
Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:42 AM
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/20=
19 to 12/2/2019]

This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].

You can obtain the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/

Consider in your review whether this draft:


  1.  Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
  2.  Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification
  3.  Is this technology ready for deployment?
  4.  Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-re=
direct clearly written and ready for publication?

Thank you for considering this draft.

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hooman<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;; idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.tx=
t [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I support the publication =
of this draft. It provides the needed capability to perform redirection to =
tunnel in general and to segment routing tunnel
 in particular. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mustapha.<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org">idr-bounces@iet=
f.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2019 12:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [1=
1/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This begins a 2 week WG Last ca=
ll on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019=
].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">You can obtain the draft at:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie=
tf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</span></a><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Consider in your review whether=
 this draft:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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y for publication?
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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.

See inline: GV>

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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas
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To: Sue Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019]

Sue,



> On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@=
ndzh.com>> wrote:
>
> This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.=
txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].
>
> You can obtain the draft at:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/
>
> Consider in your review whether this draft:
>
> 1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?

Yes.  (Close enough.)  The current version of the draft is implementable.

> 2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification

It can be useful.

> 3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?
> 4)      Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-pat=
h-redirect clearly written and ready for publication?

Ready with minor issues, IMO:

Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about inte=
ractions with other traffic actions.  This was a known headache for similar=
 drafts such as redirect-to-ip.  In particular, interaction with redirect-t=
o-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.

GV> Section "6. Validation Procedures" gives input on this. We discussed th=
is with you long ago and hence this text was added.

"
   While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
   possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
   redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
   consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
   functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and
   hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take
   priority.
"

This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not break rf=
c5575bis behavior.
Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid


The text "A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id p=
er S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST be =
imposed first for any given flowspec entry."  There's no procedure for what=
 happens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-ID.=
  The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.  It feels =
like it's reading "there is no sequence", but what do you do when you then =
have ones that do?

GV> What about the following rewrite:

Original:
    The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
   used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
   sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
   indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.  A
   single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
   S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
   be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.

New:
   The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
   used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
   sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
   indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and **all other sequence ID'=
s**
   SHOULD be ignored.  A
   single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
   S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
   be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.

GV> In section *6. Validation procedure" there is text to handle the error =
condition when the flowspec rule results in an invalid redirection, that pr=
escribe what needs to happen when the "redirect to indirection-id" does not=
 result in a valid redirection:

"
   While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
   possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
   redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
   consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
   functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and
   hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take
   priority.  Additionally, if the "Redirect to indirection-id" does not
   result in a valid redirection, then the flowspec rule MUST be
   processed as if the "Redirect to indirection-id" community was not
   attached to the flowspec route.
"

GV> Is there more to add to this? (We could add a line to detail that "redi=
rect-to-ip" is incompatible with "redirect to indirection-id" and result in=
 invalid redirection rule, however to me that is already implied with enoug=
h detail in the text above)

A few IANA issues:
I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point 0x09)=
.  However, the sub-type registry is not established for some reason?
The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.  Values 1-5 are defin=
ed in this draft.

GV> Correct. There is a reason for this. When we asked IANA the code-points=
 they informed me that once the document get to RFC the sub-type registry w=
ill be established by IANA.

The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.  In the past, we=
've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until we nee=
d to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensions.  I leave =
it to the chairs' opinion whether we want this a priori or not.

G/


>
> Thank you for considering this draft.
>
> Cheerily, Susan Hares
>
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<div>Hi Jeff,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>See inline: <font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b></font></div>
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<div>-----Original Message-----<br>

From: Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas<br>

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:21<br>

To: Sue Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;<br>

Cc: idr@ietf.org<br>

Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019]</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Sue,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&gt; On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
hares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<div>&gt; </div>
<div>&gt; This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redi=
rect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]. </div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; You can obtain the draft at:</div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowsp=
ec-path-redirect/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec=
-path-redirect/</a></div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; Consider in your review whether this draft: </div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; 1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is compatible with draft-ietf-rf=
c5575bis-17.txt? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Yes.&nbsp; (Close enough.)&nbsp; The current version of the draft is i=
mplementable.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&gt; 2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whether the draft is useful for =
deployments of flow specification</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>It can be useful.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&gt; 3)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is this technology ready for dep=
loyment? </div>
<div>&gt; 4)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the write-up of this technolo=
gy in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for p=
ublication? </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Ready with minor issues, IMO:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about=
 interactions with other traffic actions.&nbsp; This was a known headache f=
or similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.&nbsp; In particular, interaction =
with redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is
needed.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>GV&gt; Section &#8220;6. Validation Procedures&#8221; gives input on t=
his. We discussed this with you long ago and hence this text was added.</di=
v>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&#8220;</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combinat=
ion, it is</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple cl=
ashing</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.&n=
bsp; For best and</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the=
 redirect</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be bro=
ken, and</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect=
 MUST take</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; priority. </div>
<div>&#8220;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not bre=
ak rfc5575bis behavior.</div>
<div>Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The text &quot;A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indire=
ction-id per S-ID.&nbsp; On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowes=
t S-ID MUST be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.&quot;&nbsp; Ther=
e's no procedure for what happens in error handling
when you do have more than one of the same S-ID.&nbsp; The text about the c=
ase for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.&nbsp; It feels like it's reading=
 &quot;there is no sequence&quot;, but what do you do when you then have on=
es that do?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> What about the following rewrite=
:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">Original:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"> &nbsp;&nbsp; The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 =
bit Sequence ID field.&nbsp; This field is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; used to provide a flowspec client=
 an indication how and where to</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; sequence the received indirection=
-ids.&nbsp; The Sequence ID value 0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; indicates that Sequence ID field =
is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.&nbsp; A</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; single flowspec rule MUST NOT hav=
e more as one indirection-id per</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; S-ID.&nbsp; On a flowspec client =
the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; be imposed first for any given fl=
owspec entry.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">New:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 b=
it Sequence ID field.&nbsp; This field is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; used to provide a flowspec client=
 an indication how and where to</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; sequence the received indirection=
-ids.&nbsp; The Sequence ID value 0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; indicates that Sequence ID field =
is NOT set and <b>**</b><b>all</b><b> other sequence ID's**</b> </font></di=
v>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; SHOULD be ignored.&nbsp; A</font>=
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; single flowspec rule MUST NOT hav=
e more as one indirection-id per</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; S-ID.&nbsp; On a flowspec client =
the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; be imposed first for any given fl=
owspec entry.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> In section *6. Validation proced=
ure&quot; there is text to handle the error condition when the flowspec rul=
e results in an invalid redirection, that prescribe what needs to happen wh=
en the &#8220;redirect to indirection-id&#8221; does not
result in a valid redirection:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&quot;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; While it MUST NOT happen, and is =
seen as invalid combination, it is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; possible from a semantics perspec=
tive to have multiple clashing</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; redirect actions defined within a=
 single flowspec rule.&nbsp; For best and</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; consistant compatibility with leg=
acy implementations, the redirect</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>&nbsp;&nbsp; functionality as documented by=
 rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken</b>, and</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; hence when a clash occurs, then <=
b>rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</b></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>&nbsp;&nbsp; priority</b>.&nbsp; Additional=
ly, if the &quot;Redirect to indirection-id&quot; does not</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; result in a valid redirection, th=
en the flowspec rule MUST be</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; processed as if the &quot;Redirec=
t to indirection-id&quot; community was not</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; attached to the flowspec route.</=
font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&quot;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> Is there more to add to this? (W=
e could add a line to detail that &#8220;redirect-to-ip&#8221; is incompati=
ble with &#8220;redirect to indirection-id&#8221; and result in invalid red=
irection rule, however to me that is already implied with enough
detail in the text above)</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A few IANA issues:</div>
<div>I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point =
0x09).&nbsp; However, the sub-type registry is not established for some rea=
son?</div>
<div>The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.&nbsp; Values 1-5=
 are defined in this draft.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> Correct. There is a reason for t=
his. When we asked IANA the code-points they informed me that once the docu=
ment get to RFC the sub-type registry will be established by IANA. </font><=
/div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.&nbsp; In th=
e past, we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) un=
til we need to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensions.=
&nbsp; I leave it to the chairs' opinion whether
we want this a priori or not.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>G/</b></font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; Thank you for considering this draft. </div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt; Cheerily, Susan Hares </div>
<div>&gt;&nbsp; </div>
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Gunter,

To your and Jeff's point regarding multiple redirect rules I have a bit
different perspective.

First let's observe that redirect could be realized in two forms (both are
valid and used in practice):

-A- redirect of the original flow
-B- redirect of copy of the flow

See while in -A- clearly one redirect must be used, in -B- on the
other hand multiple redirects should be supported. One span, one security
TAP, one TCP analyzer etc ...

Your draft defines -A-. To add -B- all what is needed is just one bit flag.

Would you consider it ?

Cheers,
R.





On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:51 AM Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <
gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.
>
> See inline: *GV>*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:21
> To: Sue Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
> Cc: idr@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt
> [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]
>
> Sue,
>
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
> >
> > This begins a 2 week WG Last call on
> draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].
> >
> > You can obtain the draft at:
> >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/
> >
> > Consider in your review whether this draft:
> >
> > 1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
>
> Yes.  (Close enough.)  The current version of the draft is implementable.
>
> > 2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specificati=
on
>
> It can be useful.
>
> > 3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?
> > 4)      Is the write-up of this technology in
> draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for
> publication?
>
> Ready with minor issues, IMO:
>
> Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about
> interactions with other traffic actions.  This was a known headache for
> similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.  In particular, interaction with
> redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.
>
> GV> Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D gives input on thi=
s. We discussed
> this with you long ago and hence this text was added.
>
> =E2=80=9C
>    While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
>    possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
>    redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
>    consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
>    functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and
>    hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take
>    priority.
> =E2=80=9C
>
> This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not break
> rfc5575bis behavior.
> Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid
>
>
> The text "A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id
> per S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST =
be
> imposed first for any given flowspec entry."  There's no procedure for wh=
at
> happens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-ID=
.
> The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.  It feels
> like it's reading "there is no sequence", but what do you do when you the=
n
> have ones that do?
>
> *GV>* What about the following rewrite:
>
> Original:
>    The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
>    used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
>    sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
>    indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.  A
>    single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
>    S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
>    be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.
>
> New:
>    The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
>    used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
>    sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
>    indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and *****all** other
> sequence ID's***
>    SHOULD be ignored.  A
>    single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
>    S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
>    be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.
>
> *GV>* In section *6. Validation procedure" there is text to handle the
> error condition when the flowspec rule results in an invalid redirection,
> that prescribe what needs to happen when the =E2=80=9Credirect to indirec=
tion-id=E2=80=9D
> does not result in a valid redirection:
>
> "
>    While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
>    possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
>    redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
>    consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
> *   functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken*, and
>    hence when a clash occurs, then *rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take*
> *   priority*.  Additionally, if the "Redirect to indirection-id" does no=
t
>    result in a valid redirection, then the flowspec rule MUST be
>    processed as if the "Redirect to indirection-id" community was not
>    attached to the flowspec route.
> "
>
> *GV>* Is there more to add to this? (We could add a line to detail that
> =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D is incompatible with =E2=80=9Credirect t=
o indirection-id=E2=80=9D and
> result in invalid redirection rule, however to me that is already implied
> with enough detail in the text above)
>
> A few IANA issues:
> I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point
> 0x09).  However, the sub-type registry is not established for some reason=
?
> The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.  Values 1-5 are
> defined in this draft.
>
> *GV>* Correct. There is a reason for this. When we asked IANA the
> code-points they informed me that once the document get to RFC the sub-ty=
pe
> registry will be established by IANA.
>
> The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.  In the past,
> we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until we
> need to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensions.  I
> leave it to the chairs' opinion whether we want this a priori or not.
>
> *G/*
>
>
> >
> > Thank you for considering this draft.
> >
> > Cheerily, Susan Hares
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Gunter,<div><br></div><div>To your and Jeff&#39;s point re=
garding multiple redirect rules I have a bit different perspective.=C2=A0</=
div><div><br></div><div>First let&#39;s observe that redirect could be real=
ized in two forms (both are valid and used in practice):=C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>-A- redirect=C2=A0of the original flow=C2=A0</div><div>-B- red=
irect of copy of the flow=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>See while in -A- c=
learly one redirect must be used, in -B- on the other=C2=A0hand multiple re=
directs should be supported. One span, one security TAP, one TCP analyzer e=
tc ...=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your draft defines -A-. To add -B- al=
l what is needed is just one bit flag.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Would=
 you consider it ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>R.</div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 29=
, 2019 at 4:51 AM Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com">gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">






<div>
<font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">
<div>Hi Jeff,</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>See inline: <font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b></font></div>
<a name=3D"m_-6399825029355686769__MailEndCompose"></a>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>-----Original Message-----<br>

From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr=
-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas<br>

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:21<br>

To: Sue Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shar=
es@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br>

Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a><br>

Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019]</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Sue,</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>&gt; On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
hares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<div>&gt; </div>
<div>&gt; This begins a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redi=
rect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]. </div>
<div>&gt;=C2=A0 </div>
<div>&gt; You can obtain the draft at:</div>
<div>&gt;=C2=A0 </div>
<div>&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowsp=
ec-path-redirect/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</a></div>
<div>&gt;=C2=A0 </div>
<div>&gt; Consider in your review whether this draft: </div>
<div>&gt;=C2=A0 </div>
<div>&gt; 1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is compatible with draft-ietf-rf=
c5575bis-17.txt? </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Yes.=C2=A0 (Close enough.)=C2=A0 The current version of the draft is i=
mplementable.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>&gt; 2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whether the draft is useful for =
deployments of flow specification</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>It can be useful.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>&gt; 3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is this technology ready for dep=
loyment? </div>
<div>&gt; 4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the write-up of this technolo=
gy in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for p=
ublication? </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Ready with minor issues, IMO:</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about=
 interactions with other traffic actions.=C2=A0 This was a known headache f=
or similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.=C2=A0 In particular, interaction =
with redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is
needed.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>GV&gt; Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D gives input =
on this. We discussed this with you long ago and hence this text was added.=
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=E2=80=9C</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combinat=
ion, it is</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple cl=
ashing</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.=
=C2=A0 For best and</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the=
 redirect</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be bro=
ken, and</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect=
 MUST take</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 priority. </div>
<div>=E2=80=9C</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not bre=
ak rfc5575bis behavior.</div>
<div>Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The text &quot;A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indire=
ction-id per S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowes=
t S-ID MUST be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.&quot;=C2=A0 Ther=
e&#39;s no procedure for what happens in error handling
when you do have more than one of the same S-ID.=C2=A0 The text about the c=
ase for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.=C2=A0 It feels like it&#39;s rea=
ding &quot;there is no sequence&quot;, but what do you do when you then hav=
e ones that do?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> What about the following rewrite=
:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">Original:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"> =C2=A0=C2=A0 The &#39;S-ID&#39; field identif=
ies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.=C2=A0 This field is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 used to provide a flowspec client=
 an indication how and where to</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 sequence the received indirection=
-ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 indicates that Sequence ID field =
is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.=C2=A0 A</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspec rule MUST NOT hav=
e more as one indirection-id per</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec client =
the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 be imposed first for any given fl=
owspec entry.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">New:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The &#39;S-ID&#39; field identifi=
es a 4 bit Sequence ID field.=C2=A0 This field is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 used to provide a flowspec client=
 an indication how and where to</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 sequence the received indirection=
-ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 indicates that Sequence ID field =
is NOT set and <b>**</b><b>all</b><b> other sequence ID&#39;s**</b> </font>=
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 SHOULD be ignored.=C2=A0 A</font>=
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspec rule MUST NOT hav=
e more as one indirection-id per</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec client =
the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 be imposed first for any given fl=
owspec entry.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> In section *6. Validation proced=
ure&quot; there is text to handle the error condition when the flowspec rul=
e results in an invalid redirection, that prescribe what needs to happen wh=
en the =E2=80=9Credirect to indirection-id=E2=80=9D does not
result in a valid redirection:</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&quot;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 While it MUST NOT happen, and is =
seen as invalid combination, it is</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 possible from a semantics perspec=
tive to have multiple clashing</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 redirect actions defined within a=
 single flowspec rule.=C2=A0 For best and</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 consistant compatibility with leg=
acy implementations, the redirect</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>=C2=A0=C2=A0 functionality as documented by=
 rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken</b>, and</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 hence when a clash occurs, then <=
b>rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</b></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>=C2=A0=C2=A0 priority</b>.=C2=A0 Additional=
ly, if the &quot;Redirect to indirection-id&quot; does not</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 result in a valid redirection, th=
en the flowspec rule MUST be</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 processed as if the &quot;Redirec=
t to indirection-id&quot; community was not</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0=C2=A0 attached to the flowspec route.</=
font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">&quot;</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4">=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> Is there more to add to this? (W=
e could add a line to detail that =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D is incom=
patible with =E2=80=9Credirect to indirection-id=E2=80=9D and result in inv=
alid redirection rule, however to me that is already implied with enough
detail in the text above)</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>A few IANA issues:</div>
<div>I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point =
0x09).=C2=A0 However, the sub-type registry is not established for some rea=
son?</div>
<div>The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.=C2=A0 Values 1-5=
 are defined in this draft.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#4472C4"><b>GV&gt;</b> Correct. There is a reason for t=
his. When we asked IANA the code-points they informed me that once the docu=
ment get to RFC the sub-type registry will be established by IANA. </font><=
/div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.=C2=A0 In th=
e past, we&#39;ve not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart=
) until we need to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensi=
ons.=C2=A0 I leave it to the chairs&#39; opinion whether
we want this a priori or not.</div>
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Hi Robert,=0A=0A=0AWhile understanding your point, it does feel like openi=
ng a=C2=A0potential can of worms=C2=A0with respect to validation of all po=
ssible combinations humanly possible. Is the use-case for this capability =
solid enough that we need this complication? There seems nothing broken wi=
th keeping things simple.=C2=A0=0A=0A=0AG/=0A=0A=0ASent from iCloud=0A=0AO=
n November 29, 2019 at 10:34 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:=0A=
=0A=0AGunter,=0A=0A=0ATo your and Jeff's point regarding multiple redirect=
 rules I have a bit different perspective.=C2=A0=0A=0A=0AFirst let's obser=
ve that redirect could be realized in two forms (both are valid and used i=
n practice):=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A-A- redirect=C2=A0of the original flow=C2=A0=0A=
-B- redirect of copy of the flow=C2=A0=0A=0A=0ASee while in -A- clearly on=
e redirect must be used, in -B- on the other=C2=A0hand multiple redirects =
should be supported. One span, one security TAP, one TCP analyzer etc ...=C2=
=A0=0A=0A=0AYour draft defines -A-. To add -B- all what is needed is just =
one bit flag.=C2=A0=0A=0A=0AWould you consider it ?=C2=A0=0A=0A=0ACheers,=0A=
R.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:51 AM Van De =
Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:=0A=
=0AHi Jeff,=0A=C2=A0=0AThanks for the feedback and suggestions.=0A=C2=A0=0A=
See inline: GV>=0A=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Idr <idr-bou=
nces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas=0ASent: Thursday, November 28, 20=
19 20:21=0ATo: Sue Hares <shares@ndzh.com>=0ACc: idr@ietf.org=0ASubject: R=
e: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/2019 to=
 12/2/2019]=0A=C2=A0=0ASue,=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A> On Nov 18, 2019=
, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:=0A>=0A> This begins a =
2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17=
/2019 to 12/2/2019].=0A>=C2=A0=0A> You can obtain the draft at:=0A>=C2=A0=0A=
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/=0A=
>=C2=A0=0A> Consider in your review whether this draft:=0A>=C2=A0=0A> 1)=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.tx=
t?=0A=C2=A0=0AYes.=C2=A0 (Close enough.)=C2=A0 The current version of the =
draft is implementable.=0A=C2=A0=0A> 2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Whet=
her the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification=0A=C2=A0=0AI=
t can be useful.=0A=C2=A0=0A> 3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is this tec=
hnology ready for deployment?=0A> 4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the =
write-up of this technology in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clear=
ly written and ready for publication?=0A=C2=A0=0AReady with minor issues, =
IMO:=0A=C2=A0=0AProcedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering=
 cases about interactions with other traffic actions.=C2=A0 This was a kno=
wn headache for similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.=C2=A0 In particular=
, interaction with redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.=0A=C2=A0=0A=
GV> Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D gives input on this=
. We discussed this with you long ago and hence this text was added.=0A=C2=
=A0=0A=E2=80=9C=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as in=
valid combination, it is=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 possible from a semantics perspect=
ive to have multiple clashing=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 redirect actions defined with=
in a single flowspec rule.=C2=A0 For best and=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 consistant co=
mpatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 funct=
ionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take=0A=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 priority.=0A=E2=80=9C=0A=C2=A0=0AThis means that redirect-to-VRF=
 will take absolute priority to not break rfc5575bis behavior.=0AHaving al=
so redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AThe text "=
A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per S-ID.=C2=
=A0 On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST be impos=
ed first for any given flowspec entry."=C2=A0 There's no procedure for wha=
t happens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-I=
D.=C2=A0 The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.=C2=
=A0 It feels like it's reading "there is no sequence", but what do you do =
when you then have ones that do?=0A=C2=A0=0AGV> What about the following r=
ewrite:=0A=C2=A0=0AOriginal:=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 The 'S-ID' field identifies a =
4 bit Sequence ID field.=C2=A0 This field is=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 used to provid=
e a flowspec client an indication how and where to=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 sequence=
 the received indirection-ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.=C2=A0 =
A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirectio=
n-id per=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec client the indirection-i=
d with lowest S-ID MUST=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 be imposed first for any given flow=
spec entry.=0A=C2=A0=0ANew:=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4=
 bit Sequence ID field.=C2=A0 This field is=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 used to provide=
 a flowspec client an indication how and where to=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 sequence =
the received indirection-ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and **all other sequence ID's=
**=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 SHOULD be ignored.=C2=A0 A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspe=
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=A0 On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST=0A=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.=0A=C2=A0=0AGV> In se=
ction *6. Validation procedure" there is text to handle the error conditio=
n when the flowspec rule results in an invalid redirection, that prescribe=
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=A0 possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing=0A=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.=C2=A0 For b=
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 valid redirection, then the flowspec rule MUST be=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 processe=
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attached to the flowspec route.=0A"=0A=C2=A0=0AGV> Is there more to add to=
 this? (We could add a line to detail that =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D=
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 However, the sub-type registry is not established for some reason?=0AThe =
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et to RFC the sub-type registry will be established by IANA.=0A=C2=A0=0ATh=
e flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.=C2=A0 In the past=
, we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until w=
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 I leave it to the chairs' opinion whether we want this a priori or not.=0A=
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<html><body><div>Hi Robert,</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>While unders=
tanding your point, it does feel like opening a&nbsp;potential can of worm=
s&nbsp;with respect to validation of all possible combinations humanly pos=
sible. Is the use-case for this capability solid enough that we need this =
complication? There seems nothing broken with keeping things simple.&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>G/</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div=
 class=3D"x-apple-signature">Sent from iCloud</div><div><br>On November 29=
, 2019 at 10:34 AM, Robert Raszuk &lt;robert@raszuk.net&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
</div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Gunter,<div><br></div><div>To your and Jeff's point regarding multipl=
e redirect rules I have a bit different perspective.&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
/div><div>First let's observe that redirect could be realized in two forms=
 (both are valid and used in practice):&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>-A-=
 redirect&nbsp;of the original flow&nbsp;</div><div>-B- redirect of copy o=
f the flow&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>See while in -A- clearly one red=
irect must be used, in -B- on the other&nbsp;hand multiple redirects shoul=
d be supported. One span, one security TAP, one TCP analyzer etc ...&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>Your draft defines -A-. To add -B- all what is n=
eeded is just one bit flag.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Would you consi=
der it ?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>R.</div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 a=
t 4:51 AM Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:gunter.van_de_velde=
@nokia.com">gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:=
 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><span =
face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-s=
ize: small;" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><div>Hi Jeff,</d=
iv><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.</div><di=
v>&nbsp;</div><div>See inline: <span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"c=
olor: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>GV&gt;</b></span></div><a nam=
e=3D"m_-6399825029355686769__MailEndCompose" class=3D"mce-item-anchor"></a=
><div>&nbsp;</div><div>-----Original Message-----<br> From: Idr &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf=
.org">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas<br> Sent: Thu=
rsday, November 28, 2019 20:21<br> To: Sue Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sha=
res@ndzh.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>=
&gt;<br> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:idr@i=
etf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flow=
spec-path-redirect-10.txt [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]</div><div>&nbsp;</div>=
<div>Sue,</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt=
; On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@n=
dzh.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt; This begins a 2 week WG Last call on =
draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].</d=
iv><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; You can obtain the draft at:</div><div>&=
gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/" data-mce-href=3D"https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/">https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</a></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;<=
/div><div>&gt; Consider in your review whether this draft:</div><div>&gt;&=
nbsp;</div><div>&gt; 1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is compatible with d=
raft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yes.&nbsp; (Close =
enough.)&nbsp; The current version of the draft is implementable.</div><di=
v>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; 2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whether the draft=
 is useful for deployments of flow specification</div><div>&nbsp;</div><di=
v>It can be useful.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; 3)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; Is this technology ready for deployment?</div><div>&gt; 4)&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the write-up of this technology in draft-ietf=
-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for publication?</di=
v><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Ready with minor issues, IMO:</div><div>&nbsp;</di=
v><div>Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases ab=
out interactions with other traffic actions.&nbsp; This was a known headac=
he for similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.&nbsp; In particular, interac=
tion with redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.</div><div>&nbsp;</=
div><div>GV&gt; Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D gives i=
nput on this. We discussed this with you long ago and hence this text was =
added.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>=E2=80=9C</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; While i=
t MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is</div><div>&nb=
sp;&nbsp; possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing<=
/div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; redirect actions defined within a single flowspec r=
ule.&nbsp; For best and</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; consistant compatibility wi=
th legacy implementations, the redirect</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; functionali=
ty as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and</div><div>&nbsp;&nb=
sp; hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</d=
iv><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; priority.</div><div>=E2=80=9C</div><div>&nbsp;</div><=
div>This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not bre=
ak rfc5575bis behavior.</div><div>Having also redirect-to-ip will result i=
n an invalid</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The text "A singl=
e flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per S-ID.&nbsp; O=
n a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST be imposed fi=
rst for any given flowspec entry."&nbsp; There's no procedure for what hap=
pens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-ID.&nb=
sp; The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.&nbsp; I=
t feels like it's reading "there is no sequence", but what do you do when =
you then have ones that do?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><span color=3D"#447=
2C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>GV&gt=
;</b> What about the following rewrite:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4=
472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;=
</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4=
;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">Original:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#44=
72C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"> &nbsp;=
&nbsp; The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.&nbsp; This f=
ield is</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: =
#4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; used to provide a flowspe=
c client an indication how and where to</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4=
472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;=
&nbsp; sequence the received indirection-ids.&nbsp; The Sequence ID value =
0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c=
4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; indicates that Sequence ID fiel=
d is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.&nbsp; A</span></div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp; single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id pe=
r</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c=
4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; S-ID.&nbsp; On a flowspec clien=
t the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</span></div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp; be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.</span></div><div>=
<span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color:=
 #4472c4;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">New:</span></div><div><span co=
lor=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp; The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.&nbs=
p; This field is</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; used to provide a=
 flowspec client an indication how and where to</span></div><div><span col=
or=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp; sequence the received indirection-ids.&nbsp; The Sequence I=
D value 0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color=
: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; indicates that Sequence=
 ID field is NOT set and <b>**</b><b>all</b><b> other sequence ID's**</b> =
</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4=
;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; SHOULD be ignored.&nbsp; A</span=
></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" sty=
le=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; single flowspec rule MUST NOT have mor=
e as one indirection-id per</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-=
mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; S-ID.=
&nbsp; On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</span=
></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" sty=
le=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; be imposed first for any given flowspe=
c entry.</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color:=
 #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>=
GV&gt;</b> In section *6. Validation procedure" there is text to handle th=
e error condition when the flowspec rule results in an invalid redirection=
, that prescribe what needs to happen when the =E2=80=9Credirect to indire=
ction-id=E2=80=9D does not result in a valid redirection:</span></div><div=
><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color=
: #4472c4;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=
=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">"</span></div><div><span co=
lor=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp; While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combinati=
on, it is</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color=
: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; possible from a semanti=
cs perspective to have multiple clashing</span></div><div><span color=3D"#=
4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp=
;&nbsp; redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.&nbsp; For =
best and</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color:=
 #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; consistant compatibility=
 with legacy implementations, the redirect</span></div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>=
&nbsp;&nbsp; functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken<=
/b>, and</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color:=
 #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; hence when a clash occur=
s, then <b>rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</b></span></div><div><span =
color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472=
c4;"><b>&nbsp;&nbsp; priority</b>.&nbsp; Additionally, if the "Redirect to=
 indirection-id" does not</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mc=
e-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; result =
in a valid redirection, then the flowspec rule MUST be</span></div><div><s=
pan color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #=
4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; processed as if the "Redirect to indirection-id" com=
munity was not</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"=
color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nbsp;&nbsp; attached to the fl=
owspec route.</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"c=
olor: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">"</span></div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;">&nb=
sp;</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #447=
2c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>GV&gt;</b> Is there more to add to this=
? (We could add a line to detail that =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D is =
incompatible with =E2=80=9Credirect to indirection-id=E2=80=9D and result =
in invalid redirection rule, however to me that is already implied with en=
ough detail in the text above)</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>A few IAN=
A issues:</div><div>I see the type registry is currently registered with I=
ANA (code point 0x09).&nbsp; However, the sub-type registry is not establi=
shed for some reason?</div><div>The ID-Type field likely needs its own IAN=
A registry.&nbsp; Values 1-5 are defined in this draft.</div><div>&nbsp;</=
div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" data-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D=
"color: #4472c4;"><b>GV&gt;</b> Correct. There is a reason for this. When =
we asked IANA the code-points they informed me that once the document get =
to RFC the sub-type registry will be established by IANA. </span></div><di=
v>&nbsp;</div><div>The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserv=
ed.&nbsp; In the past, we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. grac=
eful restart) until we need to start carving out those reserved bits for f=
uture extensions.&nbsp; I leave it to the chairs' opinion whether we want =
this a priori or not.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"color: #4472c4;" style=3D"color: #4472c4;"><b>G/</b></spa=
n></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; T=
hank you for considering this draft.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; C=
heerily, Susan Hares</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; _________________=
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Gunter,

What is there to validate ? You validate if the flow spec update is
legitimate and at most comparing destination match against unicast src
which in all of redirect use cases will be disabled anyway - you can not
possibly consider valid rule to redirect coming from your eBGP peer :).

Also pls observe that you never validate actual actions ... what I am
suggesting is just a little add-on in actions.

Thx,
R.

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 11:13 AM Gunter Van De Velde <
guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> While understanding your point, it does feel like opening a potential can
> of worms with respect to validation of all possible combinations humanly
> possible. Is the use-case for this capability solid enough that we need
> this complication? There seems nothing broken with keeping things simple.
>
> G/
>
> Sent from iCloud
>
> On November 29, 2019 at 10:34 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote=
:
>
> Gunter,
>
> To your and Jeff's point regarding multiple redirect rules I have a bit
> different perspective.
>
> First let's observe that redirect could be realized in two forms (both ar=
e
> valid and used in practice):
>
> -A- redirect of the original flow
> -B- redirect of copy of the flow
>
> See while in -A- clearly one redirect must be used, in -B- on the
> other hand multiple redirects should be supported. One span, one security
> TAP, one TCP analyzer etc ...
>
> Your draft defines -A-. To add -B- all what is needed is just one bit
> flag.
>
> Would you consider it ?
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:51 AM Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)=
 <
> gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.
>>
>> See inline: *GV>*
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas
>> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:21
>> To: Sue Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
>> Cc: idr@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt
>> [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]
>>
>> Sue,
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > This begins a 2 week WG Last call on
>> draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019].
>> >
>> > You can obtain the draft at:
>> >
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect=
/
>> >
>> > Consider in your review whether this draft:
>> >
>> > 1)      Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?
>>
>> Yes.  (Close enough.)  The current version of the draft is implementable=
.
>>
>> > 2)      Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow
>> specification
>>
>> It can be useful.
>>
>> > 3)      Is this technology ready for deployment?
>> > 4)      Is the write-up of this technology in
>> draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for
>> publication?
>>
>> Ready with minor issues, IMO:
>>
>> Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text covering cases about
>> interactions with other traffic actions.  This was a known headache for
>> similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.  In particular, interaction with
>> redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.
>>
>> GV> Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D gives input on th=
is. We discussed
>> this with you long ago and hence this text was added.
>>
>> =E2=80=9C
>>    While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
>>    possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
>>    redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
>>    consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
>>    functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and
>>    hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take
>>    priority.
>> =E2=80=9C
>>
>> This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not break
>> rfc5575bis behavior.
>> Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an invalid
>>
>>
>> The text "A single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-i=
d
>> per S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST=
 be
>> imposed first for any given flowspec entry."  There's no procedure for w=
hat
>> happens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-I=
D.
>> The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.  It feels
>> like it's reading "there is no sequence", but what do you do when you th=
en
>> have ones that do?
>>
>> *GV>* What about the following rewrite:
>>
>> Original:
>>    The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
>>    used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
>>    sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
>>    indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.  A
>>    single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
>>    S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
>>    be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.
>>
>> New:
>>    The 'S-ID' field identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.  This field is
>>    used to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to
>>    sequence the received indirection-ids.  The Sequence ID value 0
>>    indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and *****all** other
>> sequence ID's***
>>    SHOULD be ignored.  A
>>    single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per
>>    S-ID.  On a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST
>>    be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.
>>
>> *GV>* In section *6. Validation procedure" there is text to handle the
>> error condition when the flowspec rule results in an invalid redirection=
,
>> that prescribe what needs to happen when the =E2=80=9Credirect to indire=
ction-id=E2=80=9D
>> does not result in a valid redirection:
>>
>> "
>>    While it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is
>>    possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clashing
>>    redirect actions defined within a single flowspec rule.  For best and
>>    consistant compatibility with legacy implementations, the redirect
>> *   functionality as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken*, and
>>    hence when a clash occurs, then *rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take*
>> *   priority*.  Additionally, if the "Redirect to indirection-id" does
>> not
>>    result in a valid redirection, then the flowspec rule MUST be
>>    processed as if the "Redirect to indirection-id" community was not
>>    attached to the flowspec route.
>> "
>>
>> *GV>* Is there more to add to this? (We could add a line to detail that
>> =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D is incompatible with =E2=80=9Credirect =
to indirection-id=E2=80=9D and
>> result in invalid redirection rule, however to me that is already implie=
d
>> with enough detail in the text above)
>>
>> A few IANA issues:
>> I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point
>> 0x09).  However, the sub-type registry is not established for some reaso=
n?
>> The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.  Values 1-5 are
>> defined in this draft.
>>
>> *GV>* Correct. There is a reason for this. When we asked IANA the
>> code-points they informed me that once the document get to RFC the sub-t=
ype
>> registry will be established by IANA.
>>
>> The flags field (one octet) currently has 3 bits reserved.  In the past,
>> we've not done a registry for such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until w=
e
>> need to start carving out those reserved bits for future extensions.  I
>> leave it to the chairs' opinion whether we want this a priori or not.
>>
>> *G/*
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thank you for considering this draft.
>> >
>> > Cheerily, Susan Hares
>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Gunter,<div><br></div><div>What is there to validate ? You=
 validate if the flow spec update is legitimate and at most comparing desti=
nation match against unicast src which in all of redirect use cases will be=
 disabled anyway - you can not possibly consider valid rule to redirect com=
ing from your eBGP peer :).=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Also pls observe=
 that you never validate actual actions ... what I am suggesting is just a =
little add-on in actions.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thx,</div><div>R.<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 11:13 AM Gunter Van De Velde &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com">guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>=
Hi Robert,</div><div><br></div><div>While understanding your point, it does=
 feel like opening a=C2=A0potential can of worms=C2=A0with respect to valid=
ation of all possible combinations humanly possible. Is the use-case for th=
is capability solid enough that we need this complication? There seems noth=
ing broken with keeping things simple.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>G/</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Sent from iCloud</div><div><br>On November 29, 2019 =
at 10:34 AM, Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=
=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gunter,<div><br></div><div>To your and =
Jeff&#39;s point regarding multiple redirect rules I have a bit different p=
erspective.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>First let&#39;s observe that red=
irect could be realized in two forms (both are valid and used in practice):=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>-A- redirect=C2=A0of the original flow=C2=
=A0</div><div>-B- redirect of copy of the flow=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>See while in -A- clearly one redirect must be used, in -B- on the other=
=C2=A0hand multiple redirects should be supported. One span, one security T=
AP, one TCP analyzer etc ...=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your draft defi=
nes -A-. To add -B- all what is needed is just one bit flag.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Would you consider it ?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Che=
ers,</div><div>R.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:51 AM Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/An=
twerp) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2" sty=
le=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><=
div>Hi Jeff,</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Thanks for the feedback and suggest=
ions.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>See inline: <span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>GV&gt;</b></span></div><a name=3D"m_-53202312=
61738326584_m_-6399825029355686769__MailEndCompose"></a><div>=C2=A0</div><d=
iv>-----Original Message-----<br> From: Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounc=
es@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Je=
ffrey Haas<br> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:21<br> To: Sue Hares &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&=
gt;<br> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org<=
/a><br> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.t=
xt [11/17/2019 to 12/2/2019]</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sue,</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; On Nov 18, 2019, at 12=
:41 AM, Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank=
">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt; This begins =
a 2 week WG Last call on draft-idr-flowspec-path-redirect-10.txt from [11/1=
7/2019 to 12/2/2019].</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; You can obtain th=
e draft at:</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/" target=3D"_blank">=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect/</a>=
</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; Consider in your review whether this d=
raft:</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; 1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Is compatible with draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-17.txt?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div=
>Yes.=C2=A0 (Close enough.)=C2=A0 The current version of the draft is imple=
mentable.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; 2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Whether the draft is useful for deployments of flow specification</div><div=
>=C2=A0</div><div>It can be useful.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; 3)=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is this technology ready for deployment?</div><=
div>&gt; 4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the write-up of this technolog=
y in draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-path-redirect clearly written and ready for pu=
blication?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Ready with minor issues, IMO:</div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><div>Procedure-wise, there needs to be a bit more text cover=
ing cases about interactions with other traffic actions.=C2=A0 This was a k=
nown headache for similar drafts such as redirect-to-ip.=C2=A0 In particula=
r, interaction with redirect-to-ip and redirect-to-vrf is needed.</div><div=
>=C2=A0</div><div>GV&gt; Section =E2=80=9C6. Validation Procedures=E2=80=9D=
 gives input on this. We discussed this with you long ago and hence this te=
xt was added.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=E2=80=9C</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 W=
hile it MUST NOT happen, and is seen as invalid combination, it is</div><di=
v>=C2=A0=C2=A0 possible from a semantics perspective to have multiple clash=
ing</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 redirect actions defined within a single flowspe=
c rule.=C2=A0 For best and</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 consistant compatibility =
with legacy implementations, the redirect</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 functional=
ity as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken, and</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 hence when a clash occurs, then rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</di=
v><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 priority.</div><div>=E2=80=9C</div><div>=C2=A0</div><di=
v>This means that redirect-to-VRF will take absolute priority to not break =
rfc5575bis behavior.</div><div>Having also redirect-to-ip will result in an=
 invalid</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The text &quot;A singl=
e flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection-id per S-ID.=C2=A0 On=
 a flowspec client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST be imposed firs=
t for any given flowspec entry.&quot;=C2=A0 There&#39;s no procedure for wh=
at happens in error handling when you do have more than one of the same S-I=
D.=C2=A0 The text about the case for S-ID of 0 is also a bit ambiguous.=C2=
=A0 It feels like it&#39;s reading &quot;there is no sequence&quot;, but wh=
at do you do when you then have ones that do?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><s=
pan color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>GV&gt;</b> What ab=
out the following rewrite:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" =
style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">Original:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#=
4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"> =C2=A0=C2=A0 The &#39;S-ID&#39; fi=
eld identifies a 4 bit Sequence ID field.=C2=A0 This field is</span></div><=
div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 us=
ed to provide a flowspec client an indication how and where to</span></div>=
<div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 s=
equence the received indirection-ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0</span><=
/div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 indicates that Sequence ID field is NOT set and SHOULD be ignored.=C2=
=A0 A</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,19=
6)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspec rule MUST NOT have more as one indirection=
-id per</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,=
196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec client the indirection-id with=
 lowest S-ID MUST</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:r=
gb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 be imposed first for any given flowspec entry.=
</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=
=C2=A0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,1=
96)">New:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,11=
4,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The &#39;S-ID&#39; field identifies a 4 bit Sequence I=
D field.=C2=A0 This field is</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 used to provide a flowspec client a=
n indication how and where to</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 sequence the received indirection-=
ids.=C2=A0 The Sequence ID value 0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4"=
 style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 indicates that Sequence ID fi=
eld is NOT set and <b>**</b><b>all</b><b> other sequence ID&#39;s**</b> </s=
pan></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 SHOULD be ignored.=C2=A0 A</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C=
4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 single flowspec rule MUST N=
OT have more as one indirection-id per</span></div><div><span color=3D"#447=
2C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-ID.=C2=A0 On a flowspec=
 client the indirection-id with lowest S-ID MUST</span></div><div><span col=
or=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 be imposed firs=
t for any given flowspec entry.</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C=
4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>GV&gt;</b> In section *6. Validation =
procedure&quot; there is text to handle the error condition when the flowsp=
ec rule results in an invalid redirection, that prescribe what needs to hap=
pen when the =E2=80=9Credirect to indirection-id=E2=80=9D does not result i=
n a valid redirection:</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">&quot;</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" =
style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 While it MUST NOT happen, and =
is seen as invalid combination, it is</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472=
C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 possible from a semantics =
perspective to have multiple clashing</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472=
C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 redirect actions defined w=
ithin a single flowspec rule.=C2=A0 For best and</span></div><div><span col=
or=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 consistant comp=
atibility with legacy implementations, the redirect</span></div><div><span =
color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>=C2=A0=C2=A0 functiona=
lity as documented by rfc5575bis MUST NOT be broken</b>, and</span></div><d=
iv><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 hen=
ce when a clash occurs, then <b>rfc5575bis based redirect MUST take</b></sp=
an></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 priority</b>.=C2=A0 Additionally, if the &quot;Redirect to ind=
irection-id&quot; does not</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 result in a valid redirection, then=
 the flowspec rule MUST be</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=
=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 processed as if the &quot;Redirect =
to indirection-id&quot; community was not</span></div><div><span color=3D"#=
4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)">=C2=A0=C2=A0 attached to the flowsp=
ec route.</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,11=
4,196)">&quot;</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(=
68,114,196)">=C2=A0</span></div><div><span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color=
:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>GV&gt;</b> Is there more to add to this? (We could add=
 a line to detail that =E2=80=9Credirect-to-ip=E2=80=9D is incompatible wit=
h =E2=80=9Credirect to indirection-id=E2=80=9D and result in invalid redire=
ction rule, however to me that is already implied with enough detail in the=
 text above)</span></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>A few IANA issues:</div><div=
>I see the type registry is currently registered with IANA (code point 0x09=
).=C2=A0 However, the sub-type registry is not established for some reason?=
</div><div>The ID-Type field likely needs its own IANA registry.=C2=A0 Valu=
es 1-5 are defined in this draft.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><span color=3D=
"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>GV&gt;</b> Correct. There is a=
 reason for this. When we asked IANA the code-points they informed me that =
once the document get to RFC the sub-type registry will be established by I=
ANA. </span></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The flags field (one octet) current=
ly has 3 bits reserved.=C2=A0 In the past, we&#39;ve not done a registry fo=
r such cases (c.f. graceful restart) until we need to start carving out tho=
se reserved bits for future extensions.=C2=A0 I leave it to the chairs&#39;=
 opinion whether we want this a priori or not.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><=
span color=3D"#4472C4" style=3D"color:rgb(68,114,196)"><b>G/</b></span></di=
v><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; Thank yo=
u for considering this draft.</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div><div>&gt; Cheerily,=
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