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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:32:44 -0400
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To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" <c.l@huawei.com>, Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>,  Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>, Yangang <yangang@huawei.com>,  "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org>, idr wg <idr@ietf.org>,  stefano previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
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On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:32 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hi Gyan,
>
>
>
> Could I refer you to the examples in
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-policy-consideration=
s-05#section-4
> as that might clarify the various options for signalling redundant
> information (both as different BGP NLRI, via redundant BGP paths, or via
> multiple protocol sources).
>
>  Gyan> Thanks Ketan.  So this scenario would be example 2 recommended wit=
h
> =E2=80=9Cauto RD=E2=80=9D type 1 unique by loopback so both paths are ins=
talled in BGP sent
> to SR-TE for instantiation which now picks greater candidate path number =
as
> Active path.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* 22 May 2020 00:48
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.co=
m>;
> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>=
;
> Yangang <yangang@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> stefano previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [spring] [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:59 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> > the node-address is generated by CSG1
>
>
>
> I don't think CSG1 needs to "generate" anything. Peers which send you
> particular policy are well known at CSG1.
>
>
>
> > The process described above will result in a waste of redundant
> candidate paths on CSG1,
>
>
>
> Well what you call "waste" I call redundancy. Sure keeping extra paths
> requires some cost, but building redundancy in control plane pays off.
>
>
>
>     Gyan> I agree with Robert that the additional candidate path sent by
> the RR could be used for redundancy.   However, I think the context of  S=
R
> TE is that each candidate path is a single path option not multiple as th=
e
> redundancy is provided by different candidate paths.  That is the issue I
> am guessing.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:32 PM Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Take the following picture as an example, I think you can understand our
> problem more easily.
>
> The controller needs to notify the headend CSG1 through BGP SR Policy to
> create a candidate path of SR Policy. This BGP SR Policy route will be
> advertised to CSG1 through RR1 and RR2.
>
> According to the definition in draft, the key of a candidate path is
> <Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator>, where originator =3D <ASN,
> node-address>, so a complete candidate path key is <Protocol-Origin, ASN,
> node-address , discriminator>.
>
> However, in this specific example, the node-address is generated by CSG1,
> and because CSG1 receives BGP SR Policy routes from RR1 and RR2,
> respectively, CSG1 will get two different node-addresses. CSG1 thinks tha=
t
> it is necessary to create two  candidate paths, and the controller does n=
ot
> know what the node-address CSG1 will eventually generate. Maybe:
>
> Candidate path 1=E2=80=99 key:  <*BGP,RR1=E2=80=99s ASN, RR1=E2=80=99 BGP=
 Router ID,
> discriminator1*>
>
> Candidate path 2=E2=80=99 key:  <*BGP,RR2=E2=80=99s ASN, RR2=E2=80=99 BGP=
 Router ID,
> discriminator2*>
>
> The process described above will result in a waste of redundant candidate
> paths on CSG1,
>
> At the same time, when CSG1 needs to announce the SR Policy information t=
o
> the controller through BGP LS, it needs to carry the keys of the candidat=
e
> path in it, and the controller cannot recognize these keys.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To solve these problems,  We recommend carrying the Route Origin Communit=
y
> (defined in RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises BGP routes.
>
> In this way, the key  of the CP is determined by the controller and will
> not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA**:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant=
@cisco.com]
> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4**:* 2020=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=
=A5 20:00
> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA**:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81**:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98**:* RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> You are right that the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D is not used in BGP be=
st path and is
> just for a tie-breaking logic in SRTE between paths from different
> protocols and controllers. I doubt if there is a functional issue here.
>
>
>
> I thought that Chengli was bringing in some new/different requirement for
> the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D field for some deployment design. I have=
n=E2=80=99t seen a
> response/clarification from him as yet, and so perhaps I misunderstood hi=
m
> in which case we are ok here.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 14:46
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Chengli and Ketan,
>
>
>
> Well I think (perhaps to your surprise) the current text is actually
> correct.
>
>
>
> See the overall idea of section 2.4 is not to define the real source of
> the candidate path. That is done in section 2.5 The idea here is to keep
> multiple *paths or versions* of the candidate paths in the local system
> uniquely.
>
>
>
> See if you continue reading section 2.6 demystifies the real objective:
>
>
>
>    The tuple <Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator> uniquely
>
>    identifies a candidate path.
>
>
>
> So the real originator is encoded in discriminator and here it just means=
 the peer candidate path was
>
> received from. And if you read on this entire exercise only servers best =
path selection as described in section 2.9.
>
>
>
> .... the following order until only one valid best path is selected:
>
>
>
>    1.  Higher value of Protocol-Origin is selected.
>
>
>
>    2.  If specified by configuration, prefer the existing installed
>
>        path.
>
>
>
>    3.  Lower value of originator is selected.
>
>
>
>    4.  Finally, the higher value of discriminator is selected.
>
>
>
> +
>
>       The originator allows an operator to have multiple redundant
>
>       controllers and still maintain a deterministic behaviour over
>
>       which of them are preferred even if they are providing the same
>
>       candidate paths for the same SR policies to the headend.
>
>
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=3D
> 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Cheng,
>
>
>
> I assume you are recommending the use of Route Origin Extended Community =
(
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5) for conveying the =E2=80=
=9C
> Originator=E2=80=9D when the SR Policy update is propagated over eBGP ses=
sions
> via other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of direct peering with the headend.
>
>
>
> I believe it does address the scenario you describe given that it is
> expected that SR Policy propagation via BGP is happening within a single
> administrative domain even if it comprises of multiple ASes.
>
>
>
> Also copying the IDR WG for inputs since this would likely need to be
> updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Chengli (Cheng Li=
)
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 07:34
> *To:* draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org
> *Cc:* SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; huruizhao <huruizhao@huawei.com>;
> Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>
> *Subject:* [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi authors,
>
>
>
> In section 2.4 of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06],
> introduced how the node-address of "Originator of CP(Candidate Path)" is
> generated when the Protocol-Origin is BGP. It says:
>
>     =E2=80=9CProtocol-Origin is BGP SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP
> component on the headend and is:
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/controller signalling the
> candidate path when it has a BGP session to the headend, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signalling the candidate path
> along with ASN of origin when the signalling is done via one or  more
> intermediate eBGP routers, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the ASN of the
> node/controller  when the signalling is done via one or more
> route-reflectors over  iBGP session.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> In the operator's network, in order to reduce the number of  BGP sessions
> in controller and achieve scalability, the controller only establishes eB=
GP
> peer with the RR. And the RR establishes iBGP peers with the headends.. A=
s
> mentioned in the draft, the headend will use the RR's Router ID as the CP=
's
> node-address (the signaling is done via route transmission from RR to the
> headend instead of route reflection).  The headend needs to carry the CP'=
s
> key when reporting the SR Policy status to the controller through BGP-LS.
> And there is a problem that the controller may not recognize the key
> because the node-address is generated by the RR node.
>
>
>
> For network robustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will
> introduce another problem.. When the same CP advertised by the controller
> is delivered to the headend through different RRs, the headend cannot
> distinguish whether it is the same CP because the node-address in the CPs=
'
> key  comes from different RRs.
>
>
>
> To solve these problems,  We recommend carrying the Route Origin Communit=
y
> (defined in RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises BGP routes.
> In this way, the key  of the CP is determined by the controller and will
> not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cheng
>
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<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:32 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Gyan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Could I refer you to the examples in
</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-poli=
cy-considerations-05#section-4" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/ht=
ml/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-policy-considerations-05#section-4</a> as that =
might clarify the various options for signalling redundant
 information (both as different BGP NLRI, via redundant BGP paths, or via m=
ultiple protocol sources).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0Gyan&gt; Thanks Ketan.=C2=A0 So this sc=
enario would be example 2 recommended with =E2=80=9Cauto RD=E2=80=9D type 1=
 unique by loopback so both paths are installed in BGP sent to SR-TE for in=
stantiation which now picks greater candidate path number as Active path. =
=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br></span></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-IN" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e"><div class=3D"m_5722347963350161467WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">
<b>Sent:</b> 22 May 2020 00:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D=
"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangshe=
ng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Ketan Talaul=
ikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ket=
ant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; Yangang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yanga=
ng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">yangang@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dr=
aft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spring] [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR P=
olicy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:59 AM Robert Raszuk &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-co=
lor:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; the node-address is generated by CSG1=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#39;t think CSG1 needs to &quot;generate&quot;=
 anything. Peers which send you particular policy are well known at CSG1.=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; The process described above will result in a wa=
ste of redundant candidate paths on CSG1,=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Well what you call &quot;waste&quot; I call redundan=
cy. Sure keeping extra paths requires some cost, but building redundancy in=
 control plane pays off.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan&gt; I agree with Robert that the =
additional candidate path sent by the RR could be used for redundancy. =C2=
=A0 However, I think the context of =C2=A0SR TE is that each candidate path=
 is a single path option not multiple as the redundancy is
 provided by different candidate paths.=C2=A0 That is the issue I am guessi=
ng.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-co=
lor:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,<br>
R.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:32 PM Fangsheng &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-co=
lor:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi
</span><span>Robert,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Take the following picture as an example, I th=
ink you can understand our problem more easily.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The controller needs to notify the headend CSG=
1 through BGP SR Policy to create a candidate path of SR Policy. This BGP S=
R Policy route
 will be advertised to CSG1 through RR1 and RR2.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>According to the definition in draft, the key =
of a candidate path is &lt;Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator&gt;, =
where originator =3D &lt;ASN,
 node-address&gt;, so a complete candidate path key is &lt;Protocol-Origin,=
 ASN, node-address , discriminator&gt;.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>However, in this specific example, the node-ad=
dress is generated by CSG1, and because CSG1 receives BGP SR Policy routes =
from RR1 and RR2,
 respectively, CSG1 will get two different node-addresses. CSG1 thinks that=
 it is necessary to create two =C2=A0candidate paths, and the controller do=
es not know what the node-address CSG1 will eventually generate. Maybe:<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Candidate path 1<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99=
</span> key:=C2=A0 &lt;<i>BGP,<span style=3D"color:red">RR1</span><span lan=
g=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99</span>s ASN,
<span style=3D"color:red">RR1</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99</span> B=
GP Router ID, discriminator1</i>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Candidate path 2<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99=
</span> key:=C2=A0 &lt;<i>BGP,<span style=3D"color:red">RR2</span><span lan=
g=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99</span>s ASN,
<span style=3D"color:red">RR2</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=99</span> B=
GP Router ID, discriminator2</i>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The process described above will result in a w=
aste of redundant candidate paths on CSG1,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>At the same time, when CSG1 needs to announce =
the SR Policy information to the controller through BGP LS, it needs to car=
ry the keys of
 the candidate path in it, and the controller cannot recognize these keys.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><img border=3D"0" src=3D"cid:17=
2700ee461ad7999131" style=3D"width: 539px; max-width: 100%;"></span><span><=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
To solve these problems,=C2=A0 We recommend carrying the Route Origin Commu=
nity (defined in RFC 4360) directly when
 the controller advertises BGP routes.=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
In this way, the key=C2=A0 of the CP is determined by the controller and wi=
ll not change during the advertisement
 of BGP routes.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt=
 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;M=
icrosoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA</span></b><b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-s=
erif">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft=
 YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">
 Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">=
ketant@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
</span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&q=
uot;,sans-serif">=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4</span></b><b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&=
quot;,sans-serif">
 2020</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei=
&quot;,sans-serif">=E5=B9=B4</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">5</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">=E6=9C=88</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-se=
rif">18</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaH=
ei&quot;,sans-serif">=E6=97=A5</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">
 20:00<br>
</span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&q=
uot;,sans-serif">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA</span></b><b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">:</span></=
b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,san=
s-serif">
 Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">robert@raszuk.n=
et</a>&gt;<br>
</span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&q=
uot;,sans-serif">=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81</span></b><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">:</span></b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">
 Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank"=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">c.l@huawei.co=
m</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micro=
soft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Micro=
soft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">stefano@pre=
vidi.net</a>&gt;<br>
</span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&q=
uot;,sans-serif">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98</span></b><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">:</span></b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,sans-serif">
 RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draft-ietf-spring-=
segment-routing-policy)</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Robert,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>You are right that the
<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=9C</span>Originator<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=
=9D</span> is not used in BGP best path and is just for a tie-breaking logi=
c in SRTE between paths from different protocols and controllers. I doubt i=
f there is a functional issue here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I thought that Chengli was bringing in some ne=
w/different requirement for the
<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=9C</span>Originator<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=
=9D</span> field for some deployment design. I haven<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=
=E2=80=99</span>t seen a response/clarification from him as yet, and so per=
haps I misunderstood him in which case we are ok here.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=
=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 14:46<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chengli13@huawei.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">chengli13@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; SPRING WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Chengli and Ketan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Well I think (perhaps to your surprise) the cu=
rrent text is actually correct.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>See the overall idea of section 2.4 is not to =
define the real source of the candidate path. That is done in section 2.5 T=
he idea here is
 to keep multiple *paths or versions* of the candidate paths in the local s=
ystem uniquely.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>See if you continue reading section 2.6 demyst=
ifies the real objective:=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The tuple &lt;Protocol-Origin, o=
riginator, discriminator&gt; uniquely</span><span style=3D"font-family:mono=
space"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 identifies a candidate path.</span><span style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"f=
ont-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monosp=
ace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">So the real originator is encoded in d=
iscriminator and here it just means the peer candidate=C2=A0path was </span=
><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"><=
/u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">received from. And if you read on this=
 entire exercise only servers best path selection as described in section 2=
.9. </span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:mo=
nospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monosp=
ace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:monospace;color:black">.... the following order until only one valid=
 best path is selected:</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u styl=
e=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></sp=
an></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></=
pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.=C2=A0 Higher value of Protocol-Origin is select=
ed.</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:mon=
ospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></=
pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 If specified by configuration, prefer the=
 existing installed</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D=
"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span><=
/pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 path.</span><span style=3D=
"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></=
pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 Lower value of originator is selected.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace=
"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"=
font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></=
pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 Finally, the higher value of discriminato=
r is selected.</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u style=3D"font=
-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>+<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-=
family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The originator=
 allows an operator to have multiple redundant</span><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:monospace"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 controllers and still maintain a=
 deterministic behaviour over</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><=
u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></=
u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 which of them are preferred even=
 if they are providing the same</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"=
><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace">=
</u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 candidate paths for the same SR =
policies to the headend.</span><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><u sty=
le=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></s=
pan></pre>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thx,<br>
R.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talauli=
kar (ketant) &lt;ketant=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;
 wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Cheng,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I assume you are recommending the use of Route=
 Origin Extended Community (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#=
section-5" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5<=
/a>)
 for conveying the <span lang=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=9C</span>Originator<span lan=
g=3D"ZH-CN">=E2=80=9D</span> when the SR Policy update is propagated over e=
BGP sessions via other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of direct peering with th=
e headend.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I believe it does address the scenario you des=
cribe given that it is expected that SR Policy propagation via BGP is happe=
ning within a single
 administrative domain even if it comprises of multiple ASes.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Also copying the IDR WG for inputs since this =
would likely need to be updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">spring-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chengli (Cheng Li)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 07:34<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; huruizhao &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huruizhao@huawe=
i.com" target=3D"_blank">huruizhao@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draf=
t-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Hi authors,</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
In section 2.4 of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06], introduced=
 how the node-address of &quot;Originator
 of CP(Candidate Path)&quot; is generated when the Protocol-Origin is BGP. =
It says:</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=E2=80=9C</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Protocol-Origin is BGP =
SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP component on the headend and is:</span=
><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/cont=
roller signalling the candidate path when it has a BGP session
 to the headend, OR</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signall=
ing the candidate path=C2=A0 along with ASN of origin when the signalling
 is done via one or=C2=A0 more intermediate eBGP routers, OR</span><span><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the AS=
N of the node/controller=C2=A0 when the signalling is done via one
 or more route-reflectors over=C2=A0 iBGP session.</span><span lang=3D"ZH-C=
N" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=E2=80=9D</span><span><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-co=
lor:rgb(204,204,204)">
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t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204)">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
In the operator&#39;s network, in order to reduce the number of=C2=A0 BGP s=
essions in controller and achieve scalability,
 the controller only establishes eBGP peer with the RR. And the RR establis=
hes iBGP peers with the headends.. As mentioned in the draft, the headend w=
ill use the RR&#39;s Router ID as the CP&#39;s node-address (the signaling =
is done via route transmission from RR to
 the headend instead of route reflection).=C2=A0 The headend needs to carry=
 the CP&#39;s key when reporting the SR Policy status to the controller thr=
ough BGP-LS. And there is a problem that the controller may not recognize t=
he key because the node-address is generated
 by the RR node.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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lor:rgb(204,204,204)">
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t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204)">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
For network robustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will int=
roduce another problem.. When the
 same CP advertised by the controller is delivered to the headend through d=
ifferent RRs, the headend cannot distinguish whether it is the same CP beca=
use the node-address in the CPs&#39; key=C2=A0 comes from different RRs.
</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
To solve these problems,=C2=A0 We recommend carrying the Route Origin Commu=
nity (defined in RFC 4360) directly when
 the controller advertises BGP routes.=C2=A0 In this way, the key=C2=A0 of =
the CP is determined by the controller and will not change during the adver=
tisement of BGP routes.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><span><u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Thanks,</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Cheng</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>______________________________________________=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
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Ketan

Thanks for sharing this draft.

This draft below is the SR-TE policy itself but the piece I was missing was
the BGP interaction between SR-TE and new SAFI to advertise SR-TE policy
into BGP which is the critical component of the per VRF coloring schema to
steer L3 vpn traffic.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-pol=
icy-07


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 AM Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Ketan,
>
>
>
> Sorry for my delay, I saw the update, and it has addressed my comments,
> many thanks.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Cheng
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 8:00 PM
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> You are right that the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D is not used in BGP be=
st path and is
> just for a tie-breaking logic in SRTE between paths from different
> protocols and controllers. I doubt if there is a functional issue here.
>
>
>
> I thought that Chengli was bringing in some new/different requirement for
> the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D field for some deployment design. I have=
n=E2=80=99t seen a
> response/clarification from him as yet, and so perhaps I misunderstood hi=
m
> in which case we are ok here.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 14:46
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Chengli and Ketan,
>
>
>
> Well I think (perhaps to your surprise) the current text is actually
> correct.
>
>
>
> See the overall idea of section 2.4 is not to define the real source of
> the candidate path. That is done in section 2.5 The idea here is to keep
> multiple *paths or versions* of the candidate paths in the local system
> uniquely.
>
>
>
> See if you continue reading section 2.6 demystifies the real objective:
>
>
>
>    The tuple <Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator> uniquely
>
>    identifies a candidate path.
>
>
>
> So the real originator is encoded in discriminator and here it just means=
 the peer candidate path was
>
> received from. And if you read on this entire exercise only servers best =
path selection as described in section 2.9.
>
>
>
> .... the following order until only one valid best path is selected:
>
>
>
>    1.  Higher value of Protocol-Origin is selected.
>
>
>
>    2.  If specified by configuration, prefer the existing installed
>
>        path.
>
>
>
>    3.  Lower value of originator is selected.
>
>
>
>    4.  Finally, the higher value of discriminator is selected.
>
>
>
> +
>
>       The originator allows an operator to have multiple redundant
>
>       controllers and still maintain a deterministic behaviour over
>
>       which of them are preferred even if they are providing the same
>
>       candidate paths for the same SR policies to the headend.
>
>
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=3D
> 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Cheng,
>
>
>
> I assume you are recommending the use of Route Origin Extended Community =
(
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5) for conveying the
> =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D when the SR Policy update is propagated over=
 eBGP sessions via
> other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of direct peering with the headend.
>
>
>
> I believe it does address the scenario you describe given that it is
> expected that SR Policy propagation via BGP is happening within a single
> administrative domain even if it comprises of multiple ASes.
>
>
>
> Also copying the IDR WG for inputs since this would likely need to be
> updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Chengli (Cheng Li=
)
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 07:34
> *To:* draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org
> *Cc:* SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; huruizhao <huruizhao@huawei.com>;
> Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>
> *Subject:* [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi authors,
>
>
>
> In section 2.4 of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06],
> introduced how the node-address of "Originator of CP(Candidate Path)" is
> generated when the Protocol-Origin is BGP. It says:
>
>     =E2=80=9CProtocol-Origin is BGP SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP =
component
> on the headend and is:
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/controller signalling the
> candidate path when it has a BGP session to the headend, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signalling the candidate path
> along with ASN of origin when the signalling is done via one or  more
> intermediate eBGP routers, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the ASN of the
> node/controller  when the signalling is done via one or more
> route-reflectors over  iBGP session.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> In the operator's network, in order to reduce the number of  BGP sessions
> in controller and achieve scalability, the controller only establishes eB=
GP
> peer with the RR. And the RR establishes iBGP peers with the headends. As
> mentioned in the draft, the headend will use the RR's Router ID as the CP=
's
> node-address (the signaling is done via route transmission from RR to the
> headend instead of route reflection).  The headend needs to carry the CP'=
s
> key when reporting the SR Policy status to the controller through BGP-LS.
> And there is a problem that the controller may not recognize the key
> because the node-address is generated by the RR node.
>
>
>
> For network robustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will
> introduce another problem.. When the same CP advertised by the controller
> is delivered to the headend through different RRs, the headend cannot
> distinguish whether it is the same CP because the node-address in the CPs=
'
> key  comes from different RRs.
>
>
>
> To solve these problems,  We recommend carrying the Route Origin Communit=
y
> (defined in RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises BGP routes.
> In this way, the key  of the CP is determined by the controller and will
> not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cheng
>
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<div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Ketan</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for sharing this draft. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This draft below is the SR-TE policy itse=
lf but the piece I was missing was the BGP interaction between SR-TE and ne=
w SAFI to advertise SR-TE policy into BGP which is the critical component o=
f the per VRF coloring schema to steer L3 vpn traffic.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-07">https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-07</a></div><br>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 AM Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l=
@huawei.com">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Ketan,<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sorry for my de=
lay, I saw the update, and it has addressed my comments, many thanks.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,<br>
Cheng<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt=
 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=
=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-53849345505862534WordSection1">=
<div><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;paddin=
g:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
From:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.=
com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 8:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D=
"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-seg=
ment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-spring-segment-r=
outing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>=
&gt;; stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"=
_blank">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Hi Robert,<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">You are right that the =E2=80=
=9COriginator=E2=80=9D is not used in BGP best path and is just for a tie-b=
reaking logic in SRTE between paths from different protocols and controller=
s. I doubt if there
 is a functional issue here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">I thought that Chengli was brin=
ging in some new/different requirement for the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D=
 field for some deployment design. I haven=E2=80=99t seen a response/clarif=
ication from him as yet,
 and so perhaps I misunderstood him in which case we are ok here.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rob=
ert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 14:46<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chengli13@huawei.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">chengli13@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; =
SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Hi Chengli and Ketan,<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Well I think (perhaps to your s=
urprise) the current text is actually correct.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">See the overall idea of section=
 2.4 is not to define the real source of the candidate path. That is done i=
n section 2.5 The idea here is to keep multiple *paths or versions* of the =
candidate paths in the local system
 uniquely.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">See if you continue reading sec=
tion 2.6 demystifies the real objective:=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The tuple &lt;Pro=
tocol-Origin, originator, discriminator&gt; uniquely<u style=3D"font-family=
:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 identifies a candidate path.<u styl=
e=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></sp=
an></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monosp=
ace"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">So the real originator =
is encoded in discriminator and here it just means the peer candidate=C2=A0=
path was </span><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:b=
lack"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monosp=
ace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">received from. And if y=
ou read on this entire exercise only servers best path selection as describ=
ed in section 2.9. </span><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-family:monospa=
ce;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monosp=
ace"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:black">.... the following order until=
 only one valid best path is selected:<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></=
u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u>=C2=A0<u =
style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.=C2=A0 Higher value of Protocol-O=
rigin is selected.<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-f=
amily:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u>=C2=A0<u =
style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 If specified by configurat=
ion, prefer the existing installed<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 path.<u sty=
le=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></s=
pan></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u>=C2=A0<u =
style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 Lower value of originator =
is selected.<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:=
monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black"><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u>=C2=A0<u =
style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 Finally, the higher value =
of discriminator is selected.<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u><u styl=
e=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">+<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page;font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 The originator allows an operator to have multiple redundant<u style=3D"fo=
nt-family:monospace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pr=
e>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 controllers and s=
till maintain a deterministic behaviour over<u style=3D"font-family:monospa=
ce"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 which of them are=
 preferred even if they are providing the same<u style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"></u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span lang=3D"EN-IN" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 candidate paths f=
or the same SR policies to the headend.<u style=3D"font-family:monospace"><=
/u><u style=3D"font-family:monospace"></u></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Thx,<br>
R.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 A=
M Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;ketant=3D</span><a href=3D"mailto:40cisco.c=
om@dmarc.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">40cisco.com@dmarc=
.ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-IN">&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204)">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Hi Cheng,<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">I assume you are recommending t=
he use of Route Origin Extended Community (</span><a href=3D"https://tools.=
ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-IN">)
 for conveying the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D when the SR Policy update i=
s propagated over eBGP sessions via other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of dir=
ect peering with the headend.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">I believe it does address the s=
cenario you describe given that it is expected that SR Policy propagation v=
ia BGP is happening within a single administrative domain
 even if it comprises of multiple ASes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Also copying the IDR WG for inp=
uts since this would likely need to be updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-ro=
uting-te-policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt=
 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bou=
nces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chengli (Cheng Li)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 07:34<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; huruizhao &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huruizhao@huawe=
i.com" target=3D"_blank">huruizhao@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draf=
t-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi authors,</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">In section 2.4 =
of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06], introduced how the node-a=
ddress of &quot;Originator of CP(Candidate Path)&quot; is generated when
 the Protocol-Origin is BGP. It says:</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=E2=80=9CProtocol-Origin is BGP SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP compon=
ent on the headend and is:</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/controller signalli=
ng the candidate path when it has a BGP session to the headend, OR</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signalling the candida=
te path=C2=A0 along with ASN of origin when the signalling is done via one =
or=C2=A0 more intermediate
 eBGP routers, OR</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the ASN of the node/c=
ontroller=C2=A0 when the signalling is done via one or more route-reflector=
s over=C2=A0 iBGP session.=E2=80=9D</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">In the operator=
&#39;s network, in order to reduce the number of=C2=A0 BGP sessions in cont=
roller and achieve scalability, the controller only establishes eBGP
 peer with the RR. And the RR establishes iBGP peers with the headends. As =
mentioned in the draft, the headend will use the RR&#39;s Router ID as the =
CP&#39;s node-address (the signaling is done via route transmission from RR=
 to the headend instead of route reflection).=C2=A0
 The headend needs to carry the CP&#39;s key when reporting the SR Policy s=
tatus to the controller through BGP-LS. And there is a problem that the con=
troller may not recognize the key because the node-address is generated by =
the RR node.</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">For network rob=
ustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will introduce another =
problem.. When the same CP advertised by the controller is
 delivered to the headend through different RRs, the headend cannot disting=
uish whether it is the same CP because the node-address in the CPs&#39; key=
=C2=A0 comes from different RRs.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">To solve these =
problems,=C2=A0 We recommend carrying the Route Origin Community (defined i=
n RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises BGP routes.=C2=A0
 In this way, the key=C2=A0 of the CP is determined by the controller and w=
ill not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheng</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-IN"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:28:18 -0400
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To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" <c.l@huawei.com>, Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>,  Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>,  "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org>, idr wg <idr@ietf.org>,  stefano previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
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Hi Ketan

Thank you for the response.  I believe that does answer the general
questions from a draft specification perspective.   I had not read all the
way through the draft so missed that section.  I do have some Cisco
specific SR-TE questions that I will ping you off list.

Kind regards

Gyan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:59 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hi Gyan,
>
>
>
> Your question is a bit orthogonal to the thread and my apologies if I did
> not get it right.
>
>
>
> Could you please check whether the following section clarifies what you
> were looking for?
>
>
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-p=
olicy-07#section-8.4
>
>
>
> The draft does not talk about the application of a specific Color Extende=
d
> Community attribute to all routes belonging to a specific VRF since that =
is
> more of a local policy or implementation matter.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 01 June 2020 19:17
> *To:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>
> *Cc:* Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <
> ketant@cisco.com>; Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; SPRING WG <
> spring@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr
> wg <idr@ietf.org>; stefano previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [spring] [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
>
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this draft.
>
>
>
> This draft below is the SR-TE policy itself but the piece I was missing
> was the BGP interaction between SR-TE and new SAFI to advertise SR-TE
> policy into BGP which is the critical component of the per VRF coloring
> schema to steer L3 vpn traffic.
>
>
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-p=
olicy-07
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 AM Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>
>
> Sorry for my delay, I saw the update, and it has addressed my comments,
> many thanks.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Cheng
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 8:00 PM
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> You are right that the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D is not used in BGP be=
st path and is
> just for a tie-breaking logic in SRTE between paths from different
> protocols and controllers. I doubt if there is a functional issue here.
>
>
>
> I thought that Chengli was bringing in some new/different requirement for
> the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D field for some deployment design. I have=
n=E2=80=99t seen a
> response/clarification from him as yet, and so perhaps I misunderstood hi=
m
> in which case we are ok here.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 14:46
> *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com>;
> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org; idr wg <idr@ietf.org>;
> SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>; stefano
> previdi <stefano@previdi.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi Chengli and Ketan,
>
>
>
> Well I think (perhaps to your surprise) the current text is actually
> correct.
>
>
>
> See the overall idea of section 2.4 is not to define the real source of
> the candidate path. That is done in section 2.5 The idea here is to keep
> multiple *paths or versions* of the candidate paths in the local system
> uniquely.
>
>
>
> See if you continue reading section 2.6 demystifies the real objective:
>
>
>
>    The tuple <Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator> uniquely
>
>    identifies a candidate path.
>
>
>
> So the real originator is encoded in discriminator and here it just means=
 the peer candidate path was
>
> received from. And if you read on this entire exercise only servers best =
path selection as described in section 2.9.
>
>
>
> .... the following order until only one valid best path is selected:
>
>
>
>    1.  Higher value of Protocol-Origin is selected.
>
>
>
>    2.  If specified by configuration, prefer the existing installed
>
>        path.
>
>
>
>    3.  Lower value of originator is selected.
>
>
>
>    4.  Finally, the higher value of discriminator is selected.
>
>
>
> +
>
>       The originator allows an operator to have multiple redundant
>
>       controllers and still maintain a deterministic behaviour over
>
>       which of them are preferred even if they are providing the same
>
>       candidate paths for the same SR policies to the headend.
>
>
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=3D
> 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Cheng,
>
>
>
> I assume you are recommending the use of Route Origin Extended Community =
(
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5) for conveying the
> =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D when the SR Policy update is propagated over=
 eBGP sessions via
> other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of direct peering with the headend.
>
>
>
> I believe it does address the scenario you describe given that it is
> expected that SR Policy propagation via BGP is happening within a single
> administrative domain even if it comprises of multiple ASes.
>
>
>
> Also copying the IDR WG for inputs since this would likely need to be
> updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Chengli (Cheng Li=
)
> *Sent:* 30 April 2020 07:34
> *To:* draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org
> *Cc:* SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; huruizhao <huruizhao@huawei.com>;
> Fangsheng <fangsheng@huawei.com>
> *Subject:* [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR
> Policy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)
>
>
>
> Hi authors,
>
>
>
> In section 2.4 of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06],
> introduced how the node-address of "Originator of CP(Candidate Path)" is
> generated when the Protocol-Origin is BGP. It says:
>
>     =E2=80=9CProtocol-Origin is BGP SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP =
component
> on the headend and is:
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/controller signalling the
> candidate path when it has a BGP session to the headend, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signalling the candidate path
> along with ASN of origin when the signalling is done via one or  more
> intermediate eBGP routers, OR
>
>      o  the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the ASN of the
> node/controller  when the signalling is done via one or more
> route-reflectors over  iBGP session.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> In the operator's network, in order to reduce the number of  BGP sessions
> in controller and achieve scalability, the controller only establishes eB=
GP
> peer with the RR. And the RR establishes iBGP peers with the headends. As
> mentioned in the draft, the headend will use the RR's Router ID as the CP=
's
> node-address (the signaling is done via route transmission from RR to the
> headend instead of route reflection).  The headend needs to carry the CP'=
s
> key when reporting the SR Policy status to the controller through BGP-LS.
> And there is a problem that the controller may not recognize the key
> because the node-address is generated by the RR node.
>
>
>
> For network robustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will
> introduce another problem.. When the same CP advertised by the controller
> is delivered to the headend through different RRs, the headend cannot
> distinguish whether it is the same CP because the node-address in the CPs=
'
> key  comes from different RRs.
>
>
>
> To solve these problems,  We recommend carrying the Route Origin Communit=
y
> (defined in RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises BGP routes.
> In this way, the key  of the CP is determined by the controller and will
> not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cheng
>
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<div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Ketan=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thank you for the response.=C2=A0 I believe th=
at does answer the general questions from a draft specification perspective=
. =C2=A0 I had not read all the way through the draft so missed that sectio=
n.=C2=A0 I do have some Cisco specific SR-TE questions that I will ping you=
 off list.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind regards=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 1=
, 2020 at 10:59 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@c=
isco.com">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Gyan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Your question is a bit orthogonal to the threa=
d and my apologies if I did not get it right.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Could you please check whether the following s=
ection clarifies what you were looking for?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-07#section-8.4" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy=
-07#section-8.4</a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The draft does not talk about the application =
of a specific Color Extended Community attribute to all routes belonging to=
 a specific VRF since that is more of a local policy or implementation matt=
er.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div=
 lang=3D"EN-IN" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_713253802239=
4705190WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 June 2020 19:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"=
_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;; Ro=
bert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robe=
rt@raszuk.net</a>&gt;; SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring=
-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-spring-segme=
nt-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blank">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spring] [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR P=
olicy(draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing this draft. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft below is the SR-TE policy itself but the =
piece I was missing was the BGP interaction between SR-TE and new SAFI to a=
dvertise SR-TE policy into BGP which is the critical component of the per V=
RF coloring schema to steer L3 vpn
 traffic.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-07" target=3D"_blank">https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-07</a><u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 AM Chengli (Cheng Li) &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hi Keta=
n,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Sorry f=
or my delay, I saw the update, and it has addressed my comments, many thank=
s.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Best,<b=
r>
Cheng</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisc=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 8:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D=
"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com" target=
=3D"_blank">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; SPRING WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are right that the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D =
is not used in BGP best path and is just for a tie-breaking logic in SRTE b=
etween paths from different protocols and controllers. I doubt if
 there is a functional issue here.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I thought that Chengli was bringing in some new/diff=
erent requirement for the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D field for some deplo=
yment design. I haven=E2=80=99t seen a response/clarification from him as
 yet, and so perhaps I misunderstood him in which case we are ok here.<span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=
=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 14:46<br>
<b>To:</b> Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ketant@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ketant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chengli13@huawei.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">chengli13@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a>; idr wg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; SPRING WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">fangsheng@huawei.com</a>&gt;;
 stefano previdi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefano@previdi.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">stefano@previdi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(dra=
ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Chengli and Ketan,<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Well I think (perhaps to your surprise) the current =
text is actually correct.=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">See the overall idea of section 2.4 is not to define=
 the real source of the candidate path. That is done in section 2.5 The ide=
a here is to keep multiple *paths or versions* of
 the candidate paths in the local system uniquely.=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">See if you continue reading section 2.6 demystifies =
the real objective:=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 T=
he tuple &lt;Protocol-Origin, originator, discriminator&gt; uniquely</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 identifies a candidate path.<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black">So the real originator is encoded in discriminat=
or and here it just means the peer candidate=C2=A0path was </span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black">received from. And if you read on this entire ex=
ercise only servers best path selection as described in section 2.9. </span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">.... the follo=
wing order until only one valid best path is selected:</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><=
u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.=C2=A0 Higher value of Prot=
ocol-Origin is selected.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></=
pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><=
u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 If specified by conf=
iguration, prefer the existing installed</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 path.=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><=
u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 Lower value of origi=
nator is selected.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><=
u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 Finally, the higher =
value of discriminator is selected.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></=
u></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">+<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The originator allows an operator to have multiple redun=
dant</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 controllers=
 and still maintain a deterministic behaviour over</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 which of th=
em are preferred even if they are providing the same</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 candidate p=
aths for the same SR policies to the headend.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u=
></u><u></u></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,<br>
R.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ketan Talaulikar (k=
etant) &lt;ketant=3D<span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:40cisco.com@dmar=
c.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.o=
rg</span></a></span>&gt;
 wrote:<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Cheng,<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I assume you are recommending the use of Route Origi=
n Extended Community (<span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.or=
g/html/rfc4360#section-5" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/rfc4360#section-5</span></a></span>)
 for conveying the =E2=80=9COriginator=E2=80=9D when the SR Policy update i=
s propagated over eBGP sessions via other eBGP/iBGP sessions instead of dir=
ect peering with the headend.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe it does address the scenario you describe =
given that it is expected that SR Policy propagation via BGP is happening w=
ithin a single administrative domain even if it comprises
 of multiple ASes.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also copying the IDR WG for inputs since this would =
likely need to be updated in draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy.<span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ketan<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">spring-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chengli (Cheng Li)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2020 07:34<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SPRING WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;; huruizhao &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huruizhao@huawe=
i.com" target=3D"_blank">huruizhao@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Fangsheng &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fangsheng@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">fangsheng@huawei.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] Comments: Route Origin Community in SR Policy(draf=
t-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hi auth=
ors,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">In sect=
ion 2.4 of [draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-06], introduced how th=
e node-address of &quot;Originator of CP(Candidate Path)&quot; is
 generated when the Protocol-Origin is BGP. It says:</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CProtocol-Origin is BGP SR Policy, it is provided by the BGP=
 component on the headend and is:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID and ASN of the node/controller=
 signalling the candidate path when it has a BGP session to the headend, OR=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Router ID of the eBGP peer signalling th=
e candidate path=C2=A0 along with ASN of origin when the signalling is done=
 via one or=C2=A0
 more intermediate eBGP routers, OR</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 the BGP Originator ID [RFC4456] and the ASN of t=
he node/controller=C2=A0 when the signalling is done via one or more route-=
reflectors
 over=C2=A0 iBGP session.=E2=80=9D</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">In the =
operator&#39;s network, in order to reduce the number of=C2=A0 BGP sessions=
 in controller and achieve scalability, the controller only establishes
 eBGP peer with the RR. And the RR establishes iBGP peers with the headends=
. As mentioned in the draft, the headend will use the RR&#39;s Router ID as=
 the CP&#39;s node-address (the signaling is done via route transmission fr=
om RR to the headend instead of route reflection).=C2=A0
 The headend needs to carry the CP&#39;s key when reporting the SR Policy s=
tatus to the controller through BGP-LS. And there is a problem that the con=
troller may not recognize the key because the node-address is generated by =
the RR node.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">For net=
work robustness, two or more RRs are usually deployed. This will introduce =
another problem.. When the same CP advertised by the controller
 is delivered to the headend through different RRs, the headend cannot dist=
inguish whether it is the same CP because the node-address in the CPs&#39; =
key=C2=A0 comes from different RRs.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">To solv=
e these problems,=C2=A0 We recommend carrying the Route Origin Community (d=
efined in RFC 4360) directly when the controller advertises
 BGP routes.=C2=A0 In this way, the key=C2=A0 of the CP is determined by th=
e controller and will not change during the advertisement of BGP routes.</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks,=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Cheng</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
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target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-IN">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf=
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</blockquote>
</div>
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Hi,

I'm not aware of any IPR.


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Donald and Weiguo: 

Thank you for letting me know the IPR call is complete.  I'm missing two of
your co-authors IPR statements: 
Jim Uttarro and Steve Litkowski.  

Could you remind your co-authors to send in  their IPR statements?  I'm
going to send out status on Friday morning. 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 


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Hi Sue,

With the recent IPR declaration, it is now really true that I am unaware of
any IPR in this draft that has not been declared to the IETF.

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Donald
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The promised updated implementation on frr can be found at
https://github.com/error2407/frr

Dear chairs, can you advise when the WGLC will be announced?



On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:19 AM Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:

> I am not aware of any IPR on this draft or it=E2=80=99s content or ideas.
>
> Regards,
> Keyur
>
> > On May 15, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
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> >> This is an IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.
> >>
> >> The authors should send in a IPR statement to the list - even if you
> have
> >> send in an IPR call during adoption.
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> > i am not aware of any ipr on this draft or its content or ideas.
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> > randy
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The promised updated implementation on frr can be found at=
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gmail_attr">On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:19 AM Keyur Patel &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
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t or it=E2=80=99s content or ideas.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Keyur <br>
<br>
&gt; On May 15, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Randy Bush &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy@ps=
g.com" target=3D"_blank">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
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&gt;&gt; This is an IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.<br>
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ou have<br>
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Eugene:

=20

I=E2=80=99m pleased to hear the updated implementation is published on:  =


https://github.com/error2407/frr

=20

We=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC this evening. =20

This delay is to allow you to answer the following questions on the FRR =
implementation.=20

=20

1) Do you have configuration syntax for your open policy?=20

=20

https://github.com/error2407/frr/blob/open_policy/doc/user/bgp.rst

=20

I could not readily tell where you put the configuration for open =
policy.=20

It seems like it would be in the peer section.=20

Perhaps you could provide a link to the appropriate configuration =
section=20

=20

2)Could you please fill out the implementation report=20

 (on the IDR Wiki for FRR for open-policy)? =20

=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy

=20

If you do not have time to fill out the wiki, could you=20

Please send me the implementation information listed below.=20

]

Without 2 implementations, the draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy=20

will not be forwarded to the IESG.  At this time we only have FRR

as an officially mentioned implementation. =20

=20

Cheerily, Sue =20

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The questions are below=20

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Provider, customer, RS (Route Server), RS-Client, Peer?=20

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5) Have you any concerns about the error handling?=20

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Cheerily, Susan Hares=20

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From: Eugene Bogomazov [mailto:eb@qrator.net]=20
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To: Keyur Patel
Cc: Randy Bush; Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org; =
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Subject: Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and call =
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=20

The promised updated implementation on frr can be found at =
https://github.com/error2407/frr

Dear chairs, can you advise when the WGLC will be announced?



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On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:19 AM Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR on this draft or it=E2=80=99s content or =
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Regards,
Keyur=20

> On May 15, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
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D'>Eugene:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99m pleased to hear the updated implementation is published =
on: =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/frr">https://github.com/error2407/fr=
r</a><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We=E2=80=99=
ll start the WG LC this evening.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This delay =
is to allow you to answer the following questions on the FRR =
implementation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1) Do you =
have configuration syntax for your open policy? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/frr/blob/open_policy/doc/user/bgp.rs=
t">https://github.com/error2407/frr/blob/open_policy/doc/user/bgp.rst</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I could =
not readily tell where you put the configuration for open policy. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It seems =
like it would be in the peer section. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Perhaps =
you could provide a link to the appropriate configuration section =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>2)Could you please fill out the implementation report =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0(on the IDR Wiki for FRR for open-policy)?=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-polic=
y">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If you do =
not have time to fill out the wiki, could you <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please =
send me the implementation information listed below. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>]<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Without 2 =
implementations, the draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>will not =
be forwarded to the IESG. =C2=A0At this time we only have =
FRR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>as an =
officially mentioned implementation.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheerily, =
Sue =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Implementation Information<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The questions are below <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>1) =C2=A0What Roles do you support in your configuration? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[see section 1, draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> Provider, customer, RS (Route Server), RS-Client, Peer? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>2) Do you support the following: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[see section 4, 5 of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>a) sending (XMT) of BGP Open =C2=A0with a BGP Role capability =
=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>b) receiving a BGP Open with a BGP Role =
Capability<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>c) reject Open with Role Mismatch + <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0connection Rejection notification [Code 6, =
subcode 5] =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>d) receive and process a rejected open <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0with Role Mismatch + connection rejection =
notification <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>e) in strict mode configuration, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0reject connection that does not =
have BGP Role <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0with=C2=A0 a) Connection rejection =
notification [code 6, subcode 5] =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>f) receive a connection rejection notification [code 6, subcode 5] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0without Role mismatch<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>3)=C2=A0 BGP Path Attribute =E2=80=93 BGP Only to Customer =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>a) sending transitive BGP Path Attribute =E2=80=93 BGP Only to =
Customer =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>b) receiving transitive BGP Path Attribute =E2=80=93 BGP Only to =
Customer =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>4) Have you tested this with another implementation? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If so which one? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>5) Have you any concerns about the error handling? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheerily, Susan Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Eugene Bogomazov [mailto:eb@qrator.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June =
4, 2020 11:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Keyur Patel<br><b>Cc:</b> Randy Bush; =
Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and call for =
implementations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The promised updated implementation on =
frr can be found at <a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/frr">https://github.com/error2407/fr=
r</a><br><br>Dear chairs, can you advise when the WGLC will be =
announced?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:19 AM Keyur Patel &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com">keyur@arrcus.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am not =
aware of any IPR on this draft or it=E2=80=99s content or =
ideas.<br><br>Regards,<br>Keyur <br><br>&gt; On May 15, 2020, at 5:48 =
PM, Randy Bush &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy@psg.com" =
target=3D"_blank">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>=EF=BB=BF</span><br>&gt;&gt; =
<br>&gt;&gt; This is an IPR Call for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The =
authors should send in a IPR statement to the list - even if you =
have<br>&gt;&gt; send in an IPR call during adoption.&nbsp; <br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; i am not aware of any ipr on this draft or its content or =
ideas.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
randy<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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Eugene:=20

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In checking, I realized that you mentioned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your =
5/17/2020 email.  With these two implementations (BIRD, FRR), we will be =
able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to the IESG.  Would you please =
fill out the implementation information or send me the implementation =
information?=20

=20

The wiki page is at:=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy

=20

=20

Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests? =20

=20

This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft.=20

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Bogomazov
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:24 PM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call =
and call for implementations

=20

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Currently we have two realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD =
2.0. You can find them on https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy. =
There was also a realization on FRR, but it was for the previous version =
of the draft and it'll take about 2 weeks to update it to the latest =
version of the text.

=20

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:55 PM Brian Dickson =
<brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft or its =
predecessors-in-interest.

=20

Brian

=20

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is an IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.

=20

The authors should send in a IPR statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if =
you have send in an IPR call during adoption. =20

=20

The WG LC will begin as soon as the all authors send in an IPR =
statement.=20

=20

Also, please send any information regarding implementations to the list. =


=20

Cheers, Sue =20

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Eugene: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In checking, I realized that you mentioned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your =
5/17/2020 email. =C2=A0With these two implementations (BIRD, FRR), we =
will be able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to the IESG. =C2=A0Would =
you please fill out the implementation information or send me the =
implementation information? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The wiki page is at: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-polic=
y">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests? =
=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eugene =
Bogomazov<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org<br><b>Cc:</b> =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG =
LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and call for =
implementations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am =
not aware of any IPR related to this draft.<br><br>Currently we have two =
realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD 2.0. You can find =
them on <a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy">https://github.com/=
error2407/BGP_Open_Policy</a>. There was also a realization on FRR, but =
it was for the previous version of the draft and it'll take about 2 =
weeks to update it to the latest version of the =
text.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:55 PM Brian Dickson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com">brian.peter.dickson@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am =
not aware of any IPR related to this draft or its =
predecessors-in-interest.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" =
target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is an =
IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The authors =
should send in a IPR statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if you have =
send in an IPR call during adoption.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The WG LC =
will begin as soon as the all authors send in an IPR statement. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, =
please send any information regarding implementations to the list. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers, Sue =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Idr =
mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.org" =
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href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr" =
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Susan:

We support BIRD 1.6.4 and BIRD 2.0.5
https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy
Examples of changes in configuration for both BIRD and FRR can be found in
https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/master/README.md
All implementations support sending/receiving Role Capabilities and OTC
attribute. Also they support strict_mode.
Role Mismatch is sending/receiving, however in BIRD this value (Code 2,
Subcode 8) is already in use.
The only missing point is that we are not sending  "Connection Rejected"
notification in either of the versions yet, however BGP session is
correctly rejected.

And yes, we have tested BIRD and FRR between each other.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:18 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

> Eugene:
>
>
>
> In checking, I realized that you mentioned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your
> 5/17/2020 email.  With these two implementations (BIRD, FRR), we will be
> able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to the IESG.  Would you please fil=
l
> out the implementation information or send me the implementation
> information?
>
>
>
> The wiki page is at:
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
>
>
>
>
>
> Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests?
>
>
>
> This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Bogomazov
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:24 PM
> *To:* Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org
> *Cc:* draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call
> and call for implementations
>
>
>
> I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.
>
> Currently we have two realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD
> 2.0. You can find them on https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy.
> There was also a realization on FRR, but it was for the previous version =
of
> the draft and it'll take about 2 weeks to update it to the latest version
> of the text.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:55 PM Brian Dickson <
> brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft or its
> predecessors-in-interest.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>
> This is an IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.
>
>
>
> The authors should send in a IPR statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if =
you have
> send in an IPR call during adoption.
>
>
>
> The WG LC will begin as soon as the all authors send in an IPR statement.
>
>
>
> Also, please send any information regarding implementations to the list.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Sue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Idr mailing list
> Idr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Susan:<br><br>We support BIRD 1.6.4 and B=
IRD 2.0.5=C2=A0

<a href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy" target=3D"_blank">=
https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy</a>=C2=A0<br>Examples of chang=
es in configuration for both BIRD and FRR can be found in=C2=A0<a href=3D"h=
ttps://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/master/README.md" target=
=3D"_blank">https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/master/README=
.md</a>=C2=A0<br>All implementations support sending/receiving Role Capabil=
ities and OTC attribute. Also they support strict_mode.<br>Role Mismatch is=
 sending/receiving, however in BIRD this value (Code 2, Subcode 8) is alrea=
dy in use.<br>The only missing point is that we are not sending=C2=A0 &quot=
;Connection Rejected&quot; notification in either of the versions yet, howe=
ver BGP session is correctly=C2=A0rejected.<br><br>And yes, we have tested =
BIRD and FRR between each other.<br><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:18 PM Susa=
n Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndz=
h.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Eugene: <u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In checking, I realized that you menti=
oned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your 5/17/2020 email.=C2=A0 With these two implem=
entations (BIRD, FRR), we will be able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to=
 the IESG.=C2=A0 Would you please fill out the implementation information o=
r send me the implementation information? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31=
,73,125)">The wiki page is at: </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-=
policy" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-id=
r-bgp-open-policy</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Most important, do these 2 im=
plementation interoperate in your tests? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft. <u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sue <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Idr [mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eugene Bogomazov<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2=
020 5:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft=
-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC f=
or draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and call for implementations<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.<br><=
br>Currently we have two realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD=
 2.0. You can find them on <a href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open=
_Policy" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy</a>=
. There was also a realization on FRR, but it was for the previous version =
of the draft and it&#39;ll take about 2 weeks to update it to the latest ve=
rsion of the text.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:5=
5 PM Brian Dickson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-botto=
m:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margi=
n-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am not aware o=
f any IPR related to this draft or its predecessors-in-interest.<u></u><u><=
/u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Brian<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, May 15, 2=
020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D=
"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1=
pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-=
right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is an IPR Call for draft-i=
etf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors should send in a IP=
R statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if you have send in an IPR call duri=
ng adoption.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The WG LC will begin as soon as the all aut=
hors send in an IPR statement. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also, please send any informati=
on regarding implementations to the list. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers, Sue =C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">________________________=
_______________________<br>Idr mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">Idr@ietf.org</a><br><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/m=
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Eugene:=20

=20

Thanks for the information.  Just one question, what does BIRD support =
on Code 2, Subcode 8.=20

=20

I will start WG LC while I wait.=20

=20

Sue

=20

From: Eugene Bogomazov [mailto:eb@qrator.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 4:08 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr@ietf. org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call =
and call for implementations

=20

Susan:

We support BIRD 1.6.4 and BIRD 2.0.5  =
https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy=20
Examples of changes in configuration for both BIRD and FRR can be found =
in https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/master/README.md=20
All implementations support sending/receiving Role Capabilities and OTC =
attribute. Also they support strict_mode.
Role Mismatch is sending/receiving, however in BIRD this value (Code 2, =
Subcode 8) is already in use.
The only missing point is that we are not sending  "Connection Rejected" =
notification in either of the versions yet, however BGP session is =
correctly rejected.

And yes, we have tested BIRD and FRR between each other.

=20

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:18 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Eugene:=20

=20

In checking, I realized that you mentioned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your =
5/17/2020 email.  With these two implementations (BIRD, FRR), we will be =
able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to the IESG.  Would you please =
fill out the implementation information or send me the implementation =
information?=20

=20

The wiki page is at:=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy

=20

=20

Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests? =20

=20

This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft.=20

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Bogomazov
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:24 PM
To: Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org
Cc: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call =
and call for implementations

=20

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Currently we have two realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD =
2.0. You can find them on https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy. =
There was also a realization on FRR, but it was for the previous version =
of the draft and it'll take about 2 weeks to update it to the latest =
version of the text.

=20

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:55 PM Brian Dickson =
<brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft or its =
predecessors-in-interest.

=20

Brian

=20

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This is an IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.

=20

The authors should send in a IPR statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if =
you have send in an IPR call during adoption. =20

=20

The WG LC will begin as soon as the all authors send in an IPR =
statement.=20

=20

Also, please send any information regarding implementations to the list. =


=20

Cheers, Sue =20

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D'>Eugene: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for the information.=C2=A0 Just one question, what does BIRD =
support on Code 2, Subcode 8. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I will start WG LC while I wait. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Eugene Bogomazov [mailto:eb@qrator.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June =
4, 2020 4:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares<br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org; =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG =
LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and call for =
implementations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Susan:<br><br>We support BIRD 1.6.4 and =
BIRD 2.0.5&nbsp; <a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy" =
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy</a>&nbsp;<=
br>Examples of changes in configuration for both BIRD and FRR can be =
found in&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/master/README.m=
d" =
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy/blob/maste=
r/README.md</a>&nbsp;<br>All implementations support sending/receiving =
Role Capabilities and OTC attribute. Also they support =
strict_mode.<br>Role Mismatch is sending/receiving, however in BIRD this =
value (Code 2, Subcode 8) is already in use.<br>The only missing point =
is that we are not sending&nbsp; &quot;Connection Rejected&quot; =
notification in either of the versions yet, however BGP session is =
correctly&nbsp;rejected.<br><br>And yes, we have tested BIRD and FRR =
between each other.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:18 PM Susan Hares &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" =
target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Eugene: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In checking, I realized that you mentioned BIRD 1.76 and 2.0 in your =
5/17/2020 email.&nbsp; With these two implementations (BIRD, FRR), we =
will be able to send draft-idr-bgp-open-policy to the IESG.&nbsp; Would =
you please fill out the implementation information or send me the =
implementation information? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The wiki page is at: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-polic=
y" =
target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-=
open-policy</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests? =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This evening, we=E2=80=99ll start the WG LC for this draft. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eugene =
Bogomazov<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Susan Hares; idr@ietf. org<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy: IPR call and =
call for implementations</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am not =
aware of any IPR related to this draft.<br><br>Currently we have two =
realizations for this draft: for BIRD 1.6 and BIRD 2.0. You can find =
them on <a href=3D"https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy" =
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/error2407/BGP_Open_Policy</a>. =
There was also a realization on FRR, but it was for the previous version =
of the draft and it'll take about 2 weeks to update it to the latest =
version of the text.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sat, May =
16, 2020 at 11:55 PM Brian Dickson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am not =
aware of any IPR related to this draft or its =
predecessors-in-interest.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Brian<o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, May =
15, 2020 at 5:35 PM Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" =
target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is an =
IPR Call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The authors =
should send in a IPR statement to the list =E2=80=93 even if you have =
send in an IPR call during adoption.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The WG LC =
will begin as soon as the all authors send in an IPR statement. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, =
please send any information regarding implementations to the list. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers, Sue =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>____________=
___________________________________<br>Idr mailing list<br><a =
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Hi,

> Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests?

I just noticed that Mikrotik also implemented the draft in their beta 7:
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It would be interesting to see if that interoperates as well.

Cheers,
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Sander: 

Thank you for letting me know.   If you find out about interoperation,
please post to the list. 

Cheers, Sue 

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Hi,

> Most important, do these 2 implementation interoperate in your tests?

I just noticed that Mikrotik also implemented the draft in their beta 7:
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status#space-
menu-link-content

It would be interesting to see if that interoperates as well.

Cheers,
Sander



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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt

>From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.  

 

There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik. 

The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate. 

I do not have details on Mikrotik.  

 

Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page: 

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy

 

Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD 

to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).  

Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.  

 

Please comment on the following questions: 

1) Is this specification ready for publication? 

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable? 

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication? 

 

The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.  

During the WG LC, the shepherd's report will be sent. 

 

Cheers, 

 

 


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Sue,

I support publication of this draft.

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Jun 4, 2020, at 14:20, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
> =46rom 6/4 to 6/18/2020.=20
> =20
> There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
> The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.
> I do not have details on Mikrotik.=20
> =20
> Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
> =20
> Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
> to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).=20
> Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.=20
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> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
> =20
> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:20 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
>
> From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.
>
>
>
> There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
>
> The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.
>
> I do not have details on Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
>
>
>
> Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
>
> to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).
>
> Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.
>
>
>
> Please comment on the following questions:
>
> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
>

I have read the latest version of this draft.
I believe it is ready for publication and support advancement to
publication.


> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
>

This BGP protocol extension is valuable in every conceivable
Internet-connected BGP-speaking router, i.e. for address families IPv4 and
IPv6 at a minimum.


> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
>

Yes.

Brian


>
>
> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
>
> During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:20 PM Susan =
Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN=
-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-=
idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">From 6/4=
 to 6/18/2020.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are 3 implementations:=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate. <u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">I do not have details on Mikrotik.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Det=
ails on the =C2=A0interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page: <u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/=
idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.iet=
f.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a><u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Only one=
=C2=A0 error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD <u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Another protocol was assign=
ed to subcode 8.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please comment on the following questi=
ons: <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1) Is this specification read=
y for publication?</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have r=
ead the latest version of this draft.</div><div>I believe it is ready for p=
ublication and support advancement to publication.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2) Are there=
 deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?</p></div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>This BGP protocol extension is valuable in=
 every conceivable Internet-connected BGP-speaking router, i.e. for address=
 families IPv4 and IPv6 at a minimum.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">3) Do you believe the err=
or code handling is ready for publication?</p></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>Yes.</div><div><br></div><div>Brian</div><div>=C2=A0</div><=
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eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The shepherd for this draft is Susan H=
ares.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">During the WG LC, the =
shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers, <u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
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Hi Susan,

in line with Brian (thanks for the wording, hope you don=E2=80=99t mind =
that I copy it for my reply):

Please comment on the following questions:=20

1) Is this specification ready for publication?
	I have read the latest version of this draft.
	I believe it is ready for publication and support advancement to =
publication.
=20
2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
	This BGP protocol extension is valuable in every conceivable =
Internet-connected BGP-speaking router, i.e. for address families IPv4 =
and IPv6 at a minimum.
=20
3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
	Yes.

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:20 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com =
<mailto:shares@ndzh.com>> wrote:
This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt

=46rom 6/4 to 6/18/2020.=20

=20

There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.

The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.

I do not have details on Mikrotik.=20

=20

Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy =
<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy>
=20

Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD

to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).=20

Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.=20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:

1) Is this specification ready for publication?

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?



The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20

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protocol extension is valuable in every conceivable Internet-connected =
BGP-speaking router, i.e. for address families IPv4 and IPv6 at a =
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class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun =
4, 2020 at 2:20 PM Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" =
class=3D"">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a 2 week =
WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=46rom 6/4 to 6/18/2020.&nbsp; =
<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There =
are 3 implementations:&nbsp;&nbsp; BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and =
Mikrotik. <u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate. <u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I do not =
have details on Mikrotik.&nbsp; <u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Details on the &nbsp;interoperability are on the =
following IDR wiki page: <u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy=
" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-pol=
icy</a><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Only =
one&nbsp; error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD <u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">to send Role =
Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).&nbsp; <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Another protocol was assigned =
to subcode 8.&nbsp; <u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Please comment on the following questions: <u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1) Is this =
specification ready for publication?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2) Are =
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Hi IDR WG,

We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route Targets
on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway routes.
I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
constraint is deployed on these sessions.

Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated following
the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deployed
on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet routes
that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavior
of Internet SAFIs.

We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.

Thanks,

Stephane
BESS co-chair


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> 
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
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draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway

Hi,

John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open issue.

What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter their
imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.

An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.

RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT says
which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. In
both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.

4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT and
that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO would
seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.

We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are
right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent with
4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.

That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.

Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK to
use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG last
call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only lightly
reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and
Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
wrote.

Two points in closing:
- If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
- If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
would be fine.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Adrian



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Stephane,

Two points ..

1. It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway recommends
to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no issue.

2. Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you
use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.

As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.

Thx,,
R.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi IDR WG,
>
> We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route
> Targets
> on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway
> routes.
> I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
> constraint is deployed on these sessions.
>
> Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated following
> the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deployed
> on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet routes
> that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
> draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavior
> of Internet SAFIs.
>
> We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephane
> BESS co-chair
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
> To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
> Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>
> Hi,
>
> John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open
> issue.
>
> What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
> normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter their
> imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.
>
> An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.
>
> RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
> extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT
> says
> which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. In
> both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
> specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.
>
> 4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
> learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
> top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT
> and
> that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO
> would
> seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.
>
> We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are
> right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
> avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent with
> 4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.
>
> That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.
>
> Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK
> to
> use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
> privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
> was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG last
> call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only
> lightly
> reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
> raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and
> Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
> wrote.
>
> Two points in closing:
> - If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
> - If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
> would be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Stephane,<div><br></div><div>Two points ..=C2=A0<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>1. It is not clear to me that=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-data=
center-gateway recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there =
is no issue.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>2. Also note that RTC can be en=
abled on a per AF basis hence even if you use it say for SAFI 128 you do no=
t need to use it for SAFI 1.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>As a general co=
mment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.=C2=A0</div><div><=
br></div><div>Thx,,</div><div>R.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi IDR WG,=
<br>
<br>
We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route Target=
s<br>
on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway routes=
.<br>
I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target<br>
constraint is deployed on these sessions.<br>
<br>
Internet address families don&#39;t use RTs today, and are propagated follo=
wing<br>
the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deployed=
<br>
on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet routes=
<br>
that don&#39;t have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in=
<br>
draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavior<=
br>
of Internet SAFIs.<br>
<br>
We would like to get IDR&#39;s feedback on this topic.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Stephane<br>
BESS co-chair<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_b=
lank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; <br>
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.i=
etf@gmail.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@i=
etf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.o=
rg</a>;<br>
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lank">draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue with<br>
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane&#39;s open i=
ssue.<br>
<br>
What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with<b=
r>
normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter their=
<br>
imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.<br>
<br>
An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.<br>
<br>
RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin<br>
extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT say=
s<br>
which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. In<=
br>
both cases, the text suggests that &quot;One possible use of the community =
is<br>
specified in RFC4364&quot; which implies that there are other acceptable us=
es.<br>
<br>
4364 implies that the RO is used &quot;to uniquely identify the set of rout=
es<br>
learned from a particular site.&quot; That is (my words), to apply a filter=
 on<br>
top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT an=
d<br>
that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO woul=
d<br>
seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.<br>
<br>
We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are<=
br>
right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to<br>
avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent with=
<br>
4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.<br>
<br>
That, we think, disposes of the &quot;RT or RO?&quot; question.<br>
<br>
Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK t=
o<br>
use RT with &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&quot;? Well, we consulted around a b=
it<br>
privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn&#39;t find anyone to say =
it<br>
was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG last<=
br>
call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only lightl=
y<br>
reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already<br>
raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and<=
br>
Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we<br=
>
wrote.<br>
<br>
Two points in closing:<br>
- If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.<br>
- If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that<b=
r>
would be fine.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Adrian<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hi Robert,

=20

Thanks for your feedback.

Please find some comments inline.

=20

Stephane

=20

=20

From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>=20
Sent: lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR

=20

Stephane,

=20

Two points ..=20

=20

1.	It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =
recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no issue. =


[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be =
activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs =
VPNv4 for instance with RTC.

=20

2.	Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you =
use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.=20

[SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of =
per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT membership from an implementation point of =
view. You can do it by splitting sessions usually.

=20

[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or =
we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there =
is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).

=20

=20

As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs. =


=20

Thx,,

R.

=20

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi IDR WG,

We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route =
Targets
on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway =
routes.
I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
constraint is deployed on these sessions.

Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated =
following
the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC =
deployed
on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet =
routes
that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default =
behavior
of Internet SAFIs.

We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.

Thanks,

Stephane
BESS co-chair


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> >=20
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>=20
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org> ; bess@ietf.org =
<mailto:bess@ietf.org> ;
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org =
<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org>=20
Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway

Hi,

John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open =
issue.

What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction =
with
normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter =
their
imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.

An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.

RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT =
says
which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. =
In
both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable =
uses.

4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter =
on
top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT =
and
that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO =
would
seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.

We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we =
are
right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent =
with
4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.

That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.

Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it =
OK to
use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say =
it
was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG =
last
call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only =
lightly
reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, =
and
Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
wrote.

Two points in closing:
- If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
- If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, =
that
would be fine.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Adrian


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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for =
your feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please find some =
comments inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Stephane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Robert Raszuk &lt;robert@raszuk.net&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55<br><b>To:</b> =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org =
&lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;; BESS &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting feedback from =
IDR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Stephane,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Two points ..&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN-US>It =
is not clear to me that&nbsp;draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =
recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? </span>If not there is no =
issue.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or =
it can be activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already =
runs VPNv4 for instance with RTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D2 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence =
even if you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI =
1.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware =
of per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT membership from an implementation point of =
view. You can do it by splitting sessions =
usually.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these =
families, or we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, =
2/1 when there is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an =
RT).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs =
on non VPN SAFIs.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx,,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>R.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi IDR =
WG,<br><br>We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage =
of Route Targets<br>on Internet address families to allow automated =
filtering of gateway routes.<br>I raised a concern on a potential issue =
happening when Route Target<br>constraint is deployed on these =
sessions.<br><br>Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are =
propagated following<br>the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT =
and when having RTC deployed<br>on the session (RTC not being family =
aware), propagation of Internet routes<br>that don't have an RT may be =
stopped because of the behavior defined in<br>draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. =
This will so break the existing default behavior<br>of Internet =
SAFIs.<br><br>We would like to get IDR's feedback on this =
topic.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Stephane<br>BESS =
co-chair<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Adrian Farrel =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; <br>Sent: jeudi 4 juin =
2020 19:31<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>;<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org</a><br>Subj=
ect: Closing on Stephane's open issue =
with<br>draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway<br><br>Hi,<br><br>John and I =
had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open =
issue.<br><br>What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in =
conjunction with<br>normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow =
gateways to filter their<br>imports based on the RT that applies to the =
SR domain that it serves.<br><br>An option was to use the Route Origin =
extended community instead.<br><br>RFC 4360, which introduces both the =
Route Target and the Route Origin<br>extended communities and gives some =
guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT says<br>which routers should import, =
the RO says which routers have advertised. In<br>both cases, the text =
suggests that &quot;One possible use of the community is<br>specified in =
RFC4364&quot; which implies that there are other acceptable =
uses.<br><br>4364 implies that the RO is used &quot;to uniquely identify =
the set of routes<br>learned from a particular site.&quot; That is (my =
words), to apply a filter on<br>top of the RT to prevent re-import by a =
site of routes that match the RT and<br>that were advertised by other =
entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO would<br>seem to be used (in =
the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.<br><br>We appreciate =
that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are<br>right to =
use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to<br>avoid =
importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent =
with<br>4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.<br><br>That, we =
think, disposes of the &quot;RT or RO?&quot; question.<br><br>Now, we =
can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK =
to<br>use RT with &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&quot;? Well, we consulted =
around a bit<br>privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find =
anyone to say it<br>was actually a problem. And (of course) no one =
raised the issue in WG last<br>call - but Matthew might claim that is =
because the document was only lightly<br>reviewed, and Stephane might =
claim that this is because he had already<br>raised the point. =
Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and<br>Eric was a =
lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what =
we<br>wrote.<br><br>Two points in closing:<br>- If someone can show that =
we break something, we will have to fix it.<br>- If the chairs want to =
run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that<br>would be =
fine.<br><br>Hope this =
helps.<br><br>Best,<br>Adrian<br><br><br>________________________________=
_______________<br>BESS mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:BESS@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">BESS@ietf.org</a><br><a =
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target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess</a><o:p></o:=
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Hi,

> [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families

Actually I am not sure we need to prevent anything. Honestly I would leave
it for the proper operator's configuration.

RTC is not something on by default in any AFI/SAFI.

Thx a lot,
R.



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Please find some comments inline.
>
>
>
> Stephane
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR
>
>
>
> Stephane,
>
>
>
> Two points ..
>
>
>
>    1. It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>    recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no
>    issue.
>
> [SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be
> activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4=
 for instance with
> RTC.
>
>
>
>    1. Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if
>    you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.
>
> [SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of per-AFI/SAFI=
 scoping
> of RT membership from an implementation point of view. You can do it by
> splitting sessions usually.
>
>
>
> [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or we
> specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there is n=
o
> RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).
>
>
>
>
>
> As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.
>
>
>
> Thx,,
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi IDR WG,
>
> We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route
> Targets
> on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway
> routes.
> I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
> constraint is deployed on these sessions.
>
> Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated followi=
ng
> the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deploy=
ed
> on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet rout=
es
> that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
> draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavio=
r
> of Internet SAFIs.
>
> We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephane
> BESS co-chair
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
> To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
> Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>
> Hi,
>
> John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open
> issue.
>
> What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
> normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter the=
ir
> imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.
>
> An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.
>
> RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
> extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT
> says
> which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. I=
n
> both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
> specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.
>
> 4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
> learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
> top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT
> and
> that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO
> would
> seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.
>
> We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we ar=
e
> right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
> avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent wi=
th
> 4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.
>
> That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.
>
> Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK
> to
> use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
> privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
> was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG las=
t
> call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only
> lightly
> reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
> raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, an=
d
> Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
> wrote.
>
> Two points in closing:
> - If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
> - If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
> would be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BESS mailing list
> BESS@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>&gt; [SLI] It could work if: we pre=
vent usage of RTC for these families=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Actually I am not sure we need to prevent=C2=A0anything. Honestly I woul=
d leave it for the proper=C2=A0operator&#39;s configuration.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>RTC is not something on by default in any AFI/SAFI.=C2=A0<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Thx a lot,<br>R.</div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.=
com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"FR"><div class=3D"gmail-m_85460397=
61225056307WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Robert,<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks for your feedback.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please find some comments in=
line.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">S=
tephane<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Se=
nt:</b> lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ie=
tf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> i=
dr@ietf. org &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane&=
#39;s open issue with draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting=
 feedback from IDR<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Two points ..=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=
=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"gmail-m_8546039761225056307MsoListParagraph"=
 style=3D"margin-left:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It is not clear to me that=
=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway recommends to use RTC for anything=
 - do they ? </span>If not there is no issue.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></li></ol>=
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8546039761225056307MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be ac=
tivated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4 for=
 instance with RTC.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><ol style=
=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"gmail-m_85460397612=
25056307MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Al=
so note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you use it =
say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/span></li></ol><p class=3D"gmail-m_8546039761225056307MsoListParagraph"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not awar=
e of per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT membership from an implementation point of =
view. You can do it by splitting sessions usually.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] It could work =
if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or we specify the default b=
ehavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there is no RT (distribute routes=
 that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on n=
on VPN SAFIs.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,,<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">R.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On=
 Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom=
:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin=
-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi IDR WG,<br><br>We h=
ave a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route Targets<br=
>on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway route=
s.<br>I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target<b=
r>constraint is deployed on these sessions.<br><br>Internet address familie=
s don&#39;t use RTs today, and are propagated following<br>the BGP propagat=
ion rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deployed<br>on the sessi=
on (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet routes<br>that don=
&#39;t have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in<br>draf=
t-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavior<br>o=
f Internet SAFIs.<br><br>We would like to get IDR&#39;s feedback on this to=
pic.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Stephane<br>BESS co-chair<br><br><br>-----Origin=
al Message-----<br>From: Adrian Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.=
co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; <br>Sent: jeudi 4 juin=
 2020 19:31<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>;<br><a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf=
-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-datace=
nter-gateway@ietf.org</a><br>Subject: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue =
with<br>draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway<br><br>Hi,<br><br>John and I had=
 a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane&#39;s open issue.<br><br>W=
hat we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with<br=
>normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter thei=
r<br>imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.<=
br><br>An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.<br=
><br>RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin<=
br>extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT =
says<br>which routers should import, the RO says which routers have adverti=
sed. In<br>both cases, the text suggests that &quot;One possible use of the=
 community is<br>specified in RFC4364&quot; which implies that there are ot=
her acceptable uses.<br><br>4364 implies that the RO is used &quot;to uniqu=
ely identify the set of routes<br>learned from a particular site.&quot; Tha=
t is (my words), to apply a filter on<br>top of the RT to prevent re-import=
 by a site of routes that match the RT and<br>that were advertised by other=
 entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO would<br>seem to be used (in the =
4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.<br><br>We appreciate that the d=
istinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are<br>right to use RT in th=
is case because we are filtering to import, not to<br>avoid importing. Furt=
hermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent with<br>4364, we would st=
ill be using the RT anyway.<br><br>That, we think, disposes of the &quot;RT=
 or RO?&quot; question.<br><br>Now, we can go back to the original formulat=
ion of the question: is it OK to<br>use RT with &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&=
quot;? Well, we consulted around a bit<br>privately amongst some BGP expert=
s, and we couldn&#39;t find anyone to say it<br>was actually a problem. And=
 (of course) no one raised the issue in WG last<br>call - but Matthew might=
 claim that is because the document was only lightly<br>reviewed, and Steph=
ane might claim that this is because he had already<br>raised the point. Ob=
viously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and<br>Eric was a lead a=
uthor on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we<br>wrote.<br><br>Tw=
o points in closing:<br>- If someone can show that we break something, we w=
ill have to fix it.<br>- If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and =
BESS explicitly, that<br>would be fine.<br><br>Hope this helps.<br><br>Best=
,<br>Adrian<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>B=
ESS mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:BESS@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">BESS=
@ietf.org</a><br><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess</a><u></u><u></u>=
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:49 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Please find some comments inline.
>
>
>
> Stephane
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR
>
>
>
> Stephane,
>
>
>
> Two points ..
>
>
>
>    1. It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>    recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no
>    issue.
>
> [SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be
> activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4=
 for instance with
> RTC.
>
>
>
>    1. Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if
>    you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.
>
> [SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of per-AFI/SAFI=
 scoping
> of RT membership from an implementation point of view. You can do it by
> splitting sessions usually.
>
>
>
> [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or we
> specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there is n=
o
> RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).
>
>
>
>
>
> As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.
>
>  [Gyan]  Technically there is no issues that I know of using RT with SAFI
> 1.   As RT is carried in extended community attribute it is common in
> certain cases where both standard and extended communities are propagated
> to edge Non VPN award edge CEs in a IP VPN use case.  In that use case  a=
s
> well in VRF lite non MPLS IP VPN use cases where RTs can be utilized for =
RT
> import of prefixes into a VRF.  As Stephane mentioned with RFC 4684 RTC
> membership is AFI/SAFI independent, so if RTC is used  it would apply to
> all SAFI using RT which in this case applies as well to SAFI 1.
>
Thx,,
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi IDR WG,
>
> We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route
> Targets
> on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway
> routes.
> I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
> constraint is deployed on these sessions.
>
> Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated followi=
ng
> the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deploy=
ed
> on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet rout=
es
> that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
> draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavio=
r
> of Internet SAFIs.
>
> We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephane
> BESS co-chair
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
> To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
> Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>
> Hi,
>
> John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open
> issue.
>
> What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
> normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter the=
ir
> imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.
>
> An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.
>
> RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
> extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT
> says
> which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. I=
n
> both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
> specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.
>
> 4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
> learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
> top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT
> and
> that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO
> would
> seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.
>
> We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we ar=
e
> right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
> avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent wi=
th
> 4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.
>
> That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.
>
> Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK
> to
> use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
> privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
> was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG las=
t
> call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only
> lightly
> reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
> raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, an=
d
> Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
> wrote.
>
> Two points in closing:
> - If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
> - If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
> would be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:49 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitk=
ows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wi=
dth:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,=
204,204)"><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span>Hi Robert,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks fo=
r your feedback.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">Please find some comments inline.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephane<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_bla=
nk">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55<br><=
b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slit=
kows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:i=
dr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue with draft-ietf-bes=
s-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting feedback from IDR<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Two points ..=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li style=3D"margin-le=
ft:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It is not clear to me that=C2=A0draft-ietf-bes=
s-datacenter-gateway recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? </span>=
If not there is no issue.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be a=
ctivated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4 fo=
r instance with RTC.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><ol styl=
e=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li style=3D"margin-left:0cm"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US">Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hen=
ce even if you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1=
.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] RFC4684=
 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT =
membership from an implementation point of view. You can do it by splitting=
 sessions usually.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for =
these families, or we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1,=
 2/1 when there is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"b=
lue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">As a general co=
mment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0[Gyan] =C2=A0Technical=
ly there is no issues that I know of using RT with SAFI 1. =C2=A0 As RT is =
carried in extended community attribute it is common in certain cases where=
 both standard and extended communities are propagated to edge Non VPN awar=
d edge CEs in a IP VPN use case.=C2=A0 In that use case =C2=A0as well in VR=
F lite non MPLS IP VPN use cases where RTs can be utilized for RT import of=
 prefixes into a VRF.=C2=A0 As Stephane mentioned with RFC 4684 RTC members=
hip is AFI/SAFI independent, so if RTC is used =C2=A0it would apply to all =
SAFI using RT which in this case applies as well to SAFI 1. =C2=A0</p></div=
></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"b=
lue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p></div></div=
></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" v=
link=3D"purple"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">R.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.i=
etf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"bo=
rder-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi IDR WG,<br><br>We have a draft that was on WGLC wh=
ich introduces the usage of Route Targets<br>on Internet address families t=
o allow automated filtering of gateway routes.<br>I raised a concern on a p=
otential issue happening when Route Target<br>constraint is deployed on the=
se sessions.<br><br>Internet address families don&#39;t use RTs today, and =
are propagated following<br>the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT =
and when having RTC deployed<br>on the session (RTC not being family aware)=
, propagation of Internet routes<br>that don&#39;t have an RT may be stoppe=
d because of the behavior defined in<br>draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will=
 so break the existing default behavior<br>of Internet SAFIs.<br><br>We wou=
ld like to get IDR&#39;s feedback on this topic.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Step=
hane<br>BESS co-chair<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Adrian=
 Farrel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian=
@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt; <br>Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31<br>To: <a href=3D"m=
ailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a=
><br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-cha=
irs@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@i=
etf.org</a>;<br><a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org</a><br>Su=
bject: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue with<br>draft-ietf-bess-datacen=
ter-gateway<br><br>Hi,<br><br>John and I had a chat today about what we per=
ceive is Stephane&#39;s open issue.<br><br>What we think the concern is is =
that we are using RTs in conjunction with<br>normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes.=
 We do this to allow gateways to filter their<br>imports based on the RT th=
at applies to the SR domain that it serves.<br><br>An option was to use the=
 Route Origin extended community instead.<br><br>RFC 4360, which introduces=
 both the Route Target and the Route Origin<br>extended communities and giv=
es some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT says<br>which routers should im=
port, the RO says which routers have advertised. In<br>both cases, the text=
 suggests that &quot;One possible use of the community is<br>specified in R=
FC4364&quot; which implies that there are other acceptable uses.<br><br>436=
4 implies that the RO is used &quot;to uniquely identify the set of routes<=
br>learned from a particular site.&quot; That is (my words), to apply a fil=
ter on<br>top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match=
 the RT and<br>that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Inde=
ed, the RO would<br>seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is =
also in use.<br><br>We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, =
but we think we are<br>right to use RT in this case because we are filterin=
g to import, not to<br>avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then=
, to be consistent with<br>4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.<br>=
<br>That, we think, disposes of the &quot;RT or RO?&quot; question.<br><br>=
Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK t=
o<br>use RT with &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&quot;? Well, we consulted aroun=
d a bit<br>privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn&#39;t find any=
one to say it<br>was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the =
issue in WG last<br>call - but Matthew might claim that is because the docu=
ment was only lightly<br>reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is be=
cause he had already<br>raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors kn=
ow a bit about BGP, and<br>Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot o=
f the details of what we<br>wrote.<br><br>Two points in closing:<br>- If so=
meone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.<br>- If the=
 chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that<br>would =
be fine.<br><br>Hope this helps.<br><br>Best,<br>Adrian<br><br><br>________=
_______________________________________<br>BESS mailing list<br><a href=3D"=
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I=E2=80=99m ok with that, but in such a case, you have to ensure that =
everything will work fine when RTC is used: at least specify the =
behavior when no RT are attached. As mentioned, rt-no-rt draft currently =
says that routes are not advertised.

=20

From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>=20
Sent: lundi 8 juin 2020 17:07
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR

=20

Hi,

=20

> [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families =20

=20

Actually I am not sure we need to prevent anything. Honestly I would =
leave it for the proper operator's configuration.=20

=20

RTC is not something on by default in any AFI/SAFI.=20

=20

Thx a lot,
R.

=20

=20

=20

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM < <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=20

Thanks for your feedback.

Please find some comments inline.

=20

Stephane

=20

=20

From: Robert Raszuk < <mailto:robert@raszuk.net> robert@raszuk.net>=20
Sent: lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55
To:  <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: idr@ietf. org < <mailto:idr@ietf.org> idr@ietf.org>; BESS < =
<mailto:bess@ietf.org> bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR

=20

Stephane,

=20

Two points ..=20

=20

1.	It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =
recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no issue. =


[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be =
activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs =
VPNv4 for instance with RTC.

=20

2.	Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you =
use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.=20

[SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of =
per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT membership from an implementation point of =
view. You can do it by splitting sessions usually.

=20

[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or =
we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there =
is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).

=20

=20

As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs. =


=20

Thx,,

R.

=20

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM < <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi IDR WG,

We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route =
Targets
on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway =
routes.
I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
constraint is deployed on these sessions.

Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated =
following
the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC =
deployed
on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet =
routes
that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default =
behavior
of Internet SAFIs.

We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.

Thanks,

Stephane
BESS co-chair


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel < <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> adrian@olddog.co.uk>=20
Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
To:  <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc:  <mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org> bess-chairs@ietf.org;  =
<mailto:bess@ietf.org> bess@ietf.org;
 <mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org> =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway

Hi,

John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open =
issue.

What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction =
with
normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter =
their
imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.

An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.

RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT =
says
which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. =
In
both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable =
uses.

4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter =
on
top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT =
and
that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO =
would
seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.

We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we =
are
right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent =
with
4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.

That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.

Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it =
OK to
use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say =
it
was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG =
last
call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only =
lightly
reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, =
and
Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
wrote.

Two points in closing:
- If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
- If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, =
that
would be fine.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Adrian


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99m ok with =
that, but in such a case, you have to ensure that everything will work =
fine when RTC is used: at least specify the behavior when no RT are =
attached. As mentioned, rt-no-rt draft currently says that routes are =
not advertised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Robert Raszuk &lt;robert@raszuk.net&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
lundi 8 juin 2020 17:07<br><b>To:</b> =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org =
&lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;; BESS &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting feedback from =
IDR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt; [SLI] It could work if: we =
prevent usage of RTC for these =
families&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Actually I am not sure we need to =
prevent&nbsp;anything. Honestly I would leave it for the =
proper&nbsp;operator's =
configuration.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>RTC is not something on by default =
in any AFI/SAFI.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Thx a =
lot,<br>R.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Thanks for your feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Please find some comments inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Stephane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Robert Raszuk =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>robert@raszuk.net</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55<br><b>To:</b> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>idr@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt;; BESS =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>bess@ietf.org</span></a><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] FW: Closing on =
Stephane's open issue with draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; =
Requesting feedback from IDR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Stephane,<o:=
p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Two points =
..&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><ol start=3D1 type=3D1><li =
class=3Dgmail-m8546039761225056307msolistparagraph style=3D'mso-list:l1 =
level1 lfo3'><span lang=3DEN-US>It is not clear to me =
that&nbsp;draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway recommends to use RTC for =
anything - do they ? </span>If not there is no =
issue.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p =
class=3Dgmail-m8546039761225056307msolistparagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or =
it can be activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already =
runs VPNv4 for instance with RTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><ol start=3D2 =
type=3D1><li class=3Dgmail-m8546039761225056307msolistparagraph =
style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span lang=3DEN-US>Also note that RTC =
can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you use it say for SAFI =
128 you do not need to use it for SAFI =
1.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p =
class=3Dgmail-m8546039761225056307msolistparagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware =
of per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT membership from an implementation point of =
view. You can do it by splitting sessions =
usually.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these =
families, or we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, =
2/1 when there is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an =
RT).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on =
non VPN SAFIs.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Thx,,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>R.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi IDR WG,<br><br>We have a draft that was on WGLC which =
introduces the usage of Route Targets<br>on Internet address families to =
allow automated filtering of gateway routes.<br>I raised a concern on a =
potential issue happening when Route Target<br>constraint is deployed on =
these sessions.<br><br>Internet address families don't use RTs today, =
and are propagated following<br>the BGP propagation rules. When applying =
an RT and when having RTC deployed<br>on the session (RTC not being =
family aware), propagation of Internet routes<br>that don't have an RT =
may be stopped because of the behavior defined =
in<br>draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default =
behavior<br>of Internet SAFIs.<br><br>We would like to get IDR's =
feedback on this topic.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Stephane<br>BESS =
co-chair<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Adrian Farrel =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3DEN-US>adrian@olddog.co.uk</span></a><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&gt; <br>Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31<br>To: </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>Cc: </span><a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>bess-chairs@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>; =
</span><a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>bess@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US>;<br></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org</span></a><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue =
with<br>draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway<br><br>Hi,<br><br>John and I =
had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open =
issue.<br><br>What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in =
conjunction with<br>normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow =
gateways to filter their<br>imports based on the RT that applies to the =
SR domain that it serves.<br><br>An option was to use the Route Origin =
extended community instead.<br><br>RFC 4360, which introduces both the =
Route Target and the Route Origin<br>extended communities and gives some =
guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT says<br>which routers should import, =
the RO says which routers have advertised. In<br>both cases, the text =
suggests that &quot;One possible use of the community is<br>specified in =
RFC4364&quot; which implies that there are other acceptable =
uses.<br><br>4364 implies that the RO is used &quot;to uniquely identify =
the set of routes<br>learned from a particular site.&quot; That is (my =
words), to apply a filter on<br>top of the RT to prevent re-import by a =
site of routes that match the RT and<br>that were advertised by other =
entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO would<br>seem to be used (in =
the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.<br><br>We appreciate =
that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are<br>right to =
use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to<br>avoid =
importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent =
with<br>4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.<br><br>That, we =
think, disposes of the &quot;RT or RO?&quot; question.<br><br>Now, we =
can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK =
to<br>use RT with &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&quot;? Well, we consulted =
around a bit<br>privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find =
anyone to say it<br>was actually a problem. And (of course) no one =
raised the issue in WG last<br>call - but Matthew might claim that is =
because the document was only lightly<br>reviewed, and Stephane might =
claim that this is because he had already<br>raised the point. =
Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and<br>Eric was a =
lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what =
we<br>wrote.<br><br>Two points in closing:<br>- If someone can show that =
we break something, we will have to fix it.<br>- If the chairs want to =
run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that<br>would be =
fine.<br><br>Hope this =
helps.<br><br>Best,<br>Adrian<br><br><br>________________________________=
_______________<br>BESS mailing list<br></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:BESS@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>BESS@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3DEN-US><br></span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess</span></a><span =
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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Flow Specification for SRv6
        Authors         : Zhenbin Li
                          Lei Li
                          Huaimo Chen
                          Christoph Loibl
                          Yanhe Fan
                          Yongqing Zhu
                          Xufeng Liu
	Filename        : draft-li-idr-flowspec-srv6-03.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2020-06-08

Abstract:
   This document proposes extensions to BGP Flow Specification for SRv6
   for filtering SRv6 packets that match a sequence of conditions.



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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:58 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m ok with that, but in such a case, you have to ensure that eve=
rything
> will work fine when RTC is used: at least specify the behavior when no RT
> are attached. As mentioned, rt-no-rt draft currently says that routes are
> not advertised.
>
>  Gyan>  Understood and agreed that behavior for both RT and no RT attache=
d
> behavior should be added.  Agreed that RTC explicitly states if RT
> membership does not exist then the routes are not advertised.  The behavi=
or
> with SAFI 1 is the same as SAFI 128 with regards to RTC support.
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* lundi 8 juin 2020 17:07
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> > [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families
>
>
>
> Actually I am not sure we need to prevent anything. Honestly I would leav=
e
> it for the proper operator's configuration.
>
>
>
> RTC is not something on by default in any AFI/SAFI.
>
>
>
> Thx a lot,
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Please find some comments inline.
>
>
>
> Stephane
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Sent:* lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* idr@ietf. org <idr@ietf.org>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D> Requesting feedback from IDR
>
>
>
> Stephane,
>
>
>
> Two points ...
>
>
>
>    1. It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>    recommends to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no
>    issue.
>
> [SLI] Right, but nothing prevents someone to activate it or it can be
> activated =E2=80=9Cby inheritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4=
 for instance with
> RTC.
>
>
>
>    1. Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if
>    you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.
>
> [SLI] RFC4684 is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of per-AFI/SAFI=
 scoping
> of RT membership from an implementation point of view. You can do it by
> splitting sessions usually.
>
>
>
> [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families, or we
> specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, 2/1 when there is n=
o
> RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).
>
>
>
>
>
> As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.
>
>
>
> Thx,,
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi IDR WG,
>
> We have a draft that was on WGLC which introduces the usage of Route
> Targets
> on Internet address families to allow automated filtering of gateway
> routes.
> I raised a concern on a potential issue happening when Route Target
> constraint is deployed on these sessions.
>
> Internet address families don't use RTs today, and are propagated followi=
ng
> the BGP propagation rules. When applying an RT and when having RTC deploy=
ed
> on the session (RTC not being family aware), propagation of Internet rout=
es
> that don't have an RT may be stopped because of the behavior defined in
> draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. This will so break the existing default behavio=
r
> of Internet SAFIs.
>
> We would like to get IDR's feedback on this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephane
> BESS co-chair
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
> To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
> Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>
> Hi,
>
> John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open
> issue.
>
> What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
> normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter the=
ir
> imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.
>
> An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.
>
> RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
> extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT
> says
> which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. I=
n
> both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
> specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.
>
> 4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
> learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
> top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT
> and
> that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO
> would
> seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.
>
> We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we ar=
e
> right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
> avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent wi=
th
> 4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.
>
> That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.
>
> Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK
> to
> use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
> privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
> was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG las=
t
> call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only
> lightly
> reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
> raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, an=
d
> Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
> wrote.
>
> Two points in closing:
> - If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
> - If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
> would be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
>
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<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:58 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitk=
ows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wi=
dth:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,=
204,204)"><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99m ok with that, but in such a cas=
e, you have to ensure that everything will work fine when RTC is used: at l=
east specify the behavior when no RT are attached. As mentioned, rt-no-rt d=
raft currently says that routes are not advertised.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0Gyan&gt; =C2=A0Un=
derstood and agreed that behavior for both RT and no RT attached behavior s=
hould be added.=C2=A0 Agreed that RTC explicitly states if RT membership do=
es not exist then the routes are not advertised.=C2=A0 The behavior with SA=
FI 1 is the same as SAFI 128 with regards to RTC support.<u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" target=
=3D"_blank">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> lundi 8 juin 2020 17=
:07<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;; BESS &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue with draft-=
ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting feedback from IDR<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">&gt; [SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for these families=
=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Actually I am not sure we need to prevent=C2=A0=
anything. Honestly I would leave it for the proper=C2=A0operator&#39;s conf=
iguration.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">RTC is not something on by default in any A=
FI/SAFI.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thx a lot,<br>R.<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:slit=
kows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">slitkows.ietf@g=
mail.com</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><blockquote><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi=
 Robert,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">Thanks for your feedback.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Please find some comments inline.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephane<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"> Robert Raszuk &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">robert@raszuk.net</span></a><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> lundi 8 juin 2020 11:55<br><b>To:</b>=
 </span><a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br><=
b>Cc:</b> idr@ietf. org &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">idr@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">&gt;; BESS &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">bess@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;<br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] FW: Closing on Stephane&#39;s open issue with dra=
ft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway =3D&gt; Requesting feedback from IDR<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Two points ...=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div></div></div><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">=
<div><div><blockquote><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">It is not clear to me that=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway recomm=
ends to use RTC for anything - do they ? </span>If not there is no issue.=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></li></ol><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] Right, but noth=
ing prevents someone to activate it or it can be activated =E2=80=9Cby inhe=
ritance=E2=80=9D if sessions already runs VPNv4 for instance with RTC.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><ol start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis henc=
e even if you use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] RFC4684 =
is AFI/SAFI agnostic. I=E2=80=99m not aware of per-AFI/SAFI scoping of RT m=
embership from an implementation point of view. You can do it by splitting =
sessions usually.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] It could work if: we prevent usage of RTC for t=
hese families, or we specify the default behavior of RTC for AFI/SAFI 1/1, =
2/1 when there is no RT (distribute routes that don=E2=80=99t have an RT).<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs=
.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thx,,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">R.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1=
0:34 AM &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi IDR WG,<br><br>We have a draft that was on =
WGLC which introduces the usage of Route Targets<br>on Internet address fam=
ilies to allow automated filtering of gateway routes.<br>I raised a concern=
 on a potential issue happening when Route Target<br>constraint is deployed=
 on these sessions.<br><br>Internet address families don&#39;t use RTs toda=
y, and are propagated following<br>the BGP propagation rules. When applying=
 an RT and when having RTC deployed<br>on the session (RTC not being family=
 aware), propagation of Internet routes<br>that don&#39;t have an RT may be=
 stopped because of the behavior defined in<br>draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt. Th=
is will so break the existing default behavior<br>of Internet SAFIs.<br><br=
>We would like to get IDR&#39;s feedback on this topic.<br><br>Thanks,<br><=
br>Stephane<br>BESS co-chair<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:=
 Adrian Farrel &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"=
_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">adrian@olddog.co.uk</span></a><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">&gt; <br>Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31<br>To: </span><a href=3D"mailto=
:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">slitkows.i=
etf@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>Cc: </span><a href=3D"mail=
to:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">bess-chairs=
@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US">; </span><a href=3D"mailto:bess@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">bess@ietf.org</span></a><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">;<br></span><a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-g=
ateway@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">draft-ietf-bess-dat=
acenter-gateway@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>Subject: Closin=
g on Stephane&#39;s open issue with<br>draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway<b=
r><br>Hi,<br><br>John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Step=
hane&#39;s open issue.<br><br>What we think the concern is is that we are u=
sing RTs in conjunction with<br>normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this t=
o allow gateways to filter their<br>imports based on the RT that applies to=
 the SR domain that it serves.<br><br>An option was to use the Route Origin=
 extended community instead.<br><br>RFC 4360, which introduces both the Rou=
te Target and the Route Origin<br>extended communities and gives some guida=
nce. Loosely expressed, the RT says<br>which routers should import, the RO =
says which routers have advertised. In<br>both cases, the text suggests tha=
t &quot;One possible use of the community is<br>specified in RFC4364&quot; =
which implies that there are other acceptable uses.<br><br>4364 implies tha=
t the RO is used &quot;to uniquely identify the set of routes<br>learned fr=
om a particular site.&quot; That is (my words), to apply a filter on<br>top=
 of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT and<b=
r>that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO wo=
uld<br>seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.<=
br><br>We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think =
we are<br>right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, =
not to<br>avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consi=
stent with<br>4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.<br><br>That, we =
think, disposes of the &quot;RT or RO?&quot; question.<br><br>Now, we can g=
o back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK to<br>use RT w=
ith &quot;non-VPN IP addresses&quot;? Well, we consulted around a bit<br>pr=
ivately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn&#39;t find anyone to say it=
<br>was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG l=
ast<br>call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only=
 lightly<br>reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had =
already<br>raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit abou=
t BGP, and<br>Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details=
 of what we<br>wrote.<br><br>Two points in closing:<br>- If someone can sho=
w that we break something, we will have to fix it.<br>- If the chairs want =
to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that<br>would be fine.<br><=
br>Hope this helps.<br><br>Best,<br>Adrian<br><br><br>_____________________=
__________________________<br>BESS mailing list<br></span><a href=3D"mailto=
:BESS@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">BESS@ietf.org</span>=
</a><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br></span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman=
/listinfo/bess" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://www.ietf.org=
/mailman/listinfo/bess</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span>=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)
        Authors         : Zhenbin Li
                          Liang Ou
                          Yujia Luo
                          Sujian Lu
                          Huaimo Chen
                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Haibo Wang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rpd-04.txt
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	Date            : 2020-06-09

Abstract:
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        Title           : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)
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                          Liang Ou
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                          Sujian Lu
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                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Haibo Wang
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I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for publication=
.

I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very
valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.

This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known large
BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigation.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation=
-02

BGP Large Community
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092


Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could
definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types
described in RFC 7908.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908

Kind regards

Gyan

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:15 PM Borchert, Oliver (Fed) <oliver.borchert=3D
40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Sue,
>
> I support the publication of this draft,
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Oliver
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Oliver Borchert, Computer Scientist
>
> National Institute of Standards and Technology
>
> (Office) +1.301.975.4856
>
> (GVoice) +1.240.668.4117
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan Hares <
> shares@ndzh.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 5:21 PM
> *To: *"'idr@ietf. org'" <idr@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *[Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to
> 6/18)(.
>
>
>
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
>
> From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.
>
>
>
> There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
>
> The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.
>
> I do not have details on Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftrac=
.ietf.org%2Ftrac%2Fidr%2Fwiki%2Fdraft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy&data=3D02%7C=
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>
>
>
> Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
>
> to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).
>
> Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.
>
>
>
> Please comment on the following questions:
>
> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
>
> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
>
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
>
>
>
> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
>
> During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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<div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I support this draft and believe the speci=
fication is ready for publication.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is=
 very valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises=
.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This WGLC draft along =
with below route leak detection of well known large BGP communities can hel=
p tremendously in automating route leak mitigation.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02">https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02</a></div><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">BGP Larg=
e Community</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div s=
tyle=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc=
8092">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Speaking from=
 the looking glass =C2=A0of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could definitely b=
enefit from the role priority feature from the leak types described in RFC =
7908.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908</a><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind regards=C2=A0<br></=
div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Ju=
n 10, 2020 at 4:15 PM Borchert, Oliver (Fed) &lt;oliver.borchert=3D<a href=
=3D"mailto:40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org">40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border=
-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_3183383167478736706WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Sue,<u style=3D"=
font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">I support the pu=
blication of this draft,<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Thanks,<u style=
=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Oliver<u style=
=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier;color:black">----=
-------------------------------------------<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"=
></u><u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier;color:black">Oliv=
er Borchert, Computer Scientist<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u styl=
e=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier;color:black">Nati=
onal Institute of Standards and Technology<u style=3D"font-family:Courier">=
</u><u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier;color:black">(Off=
ice) +1.301.975.4856<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"font-f=
amily:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier;color:black">(GVo=
ice) +1.240.668.4117<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u><u style=3D"font-f=
amily:Courier"></u></span></p>
</div>
</div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div c=
lass=3D"m_3183383167478736706WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Courier"></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt=
 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Idr &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:idr-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; o=
n behalf of Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 5:21 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;&#39;idr@ietf. org&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18)(.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">This begins a 2 week WG =
LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">There are 3 implementati=
ons:=C2=A0=C2=A0 BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">The BIRD and FRR impleme=
ntations interoperate.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">I do not have details on=
 Mikrotik.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Details on the =C2=A0int=
eroperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><a href=3D"https://gcc02=
.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftrac.ietf.org%2Ftrac=
%2Fidr%2Fwiki%2Fdraft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Coliver.=
borchert%40nist.gov%7C602b89ee1a5e435452ea08d808cd2d56%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a9=
3e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C637269024604715725&amp;sdata=3DKFcm6goZMSv0gYrLo1P=
JhOchzPbCTI0x1nxFIzPieJE%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" target=3D"_blank">https://tra=
c.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a><u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Only one=C2=A0 error han=
dling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">to send Role Mismatch (O=
pen Error (2), subcode 8).=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Another protocol was ass=
igned to subcode 8.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Please comment on the fo=
llowing questions:
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">1) Is this specification=
 ready for publication?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">2) Are there deployments=
 where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">3) Do you believe the er=
ror code handling is ready for publication?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">The shepherd for this dr=
aft is Susan Hares.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">During the WG LC, the sh=
epherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">Cheers, <u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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Can the authors give more explanation on the following description in
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10#s=
ect
ion-8:

=20

There are peering relationships that are 'complex', i.e., both

   parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each other

   to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers.  If multiple BGP

   peerings can segregate the 'complex' parts of the relationship, the

   complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP

   sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting normal

   (non-complex) BGP sessions.

=20

Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get the
description of =A1=B0complex=A1=B1.  Is there any situation that the =
multiple BGP
peering can=A1=AFt be segregated?

=20

=20

Best Regards

=20

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

=20

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =
=B4=FA=B1=ED Susan Hares
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA6=D4=C25=C8=D5 5:20
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'idr@ietf. org' <idr@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18)(.

=20

This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt

>From 6/4 to 6/18/2020. =20

=20

There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.=20

The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.=20

I do not have details on Mikrotik. =20

=20

Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy

=20

Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD=20

to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8). =20

Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8. =20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:=20

1) Is this specification ready for publication?=20

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?=20

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?=20

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The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares. =20

During the WG LC, the shepherd=A1=AFs report will be sent.=20

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Cheers,=20

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New";color:black'>There are peering relationships that are 'complex', =
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providers.&nbsp; If multiple BGP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; peerings can segregate the 'complex' =
parts of the relationship, the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white;word-break:break-all'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; complex peering roles can be segregated =
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lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:=B5=C8=CF=DF'>Susan =
Hares<br></span><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:=B5=C8=CF=DF'>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:=B5=C8=CF=DF'> 2020</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:=B5=C8=CF=DF'>=C4=EA<span =
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lang=3DEN-US> 5:20<br></span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> 'idr@ietf. org' =
&lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br></span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to =
6/18)(.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>This begins a 2 week WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>There are 3 implementations:&nbsp;&nbsp; BIRD (1.76, 2.05) =
, FRR, and Mikrotik. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>I do not =
have details on Mikrotik.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Details on the =
&nbsp;interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-polic=
y">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Only one&nbsp; error handling issues exists on the ability =
of BIRD <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>to =
send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Another =
protocol was assigned to subcode 8.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Please comment on the following =
questions: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>1) Is this specification ready for publication? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>2) Are =
there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>3) Do you =
believe the error code handling is ready for publication? =
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Hi Susan,

I support publication of this draft.

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Dmitry Afanasiev


On 6/5/20 12:19 AM, Susan Hares wrote:
>
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
>
> From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.
>
> There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
>
> The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.
>
> I do not have details on Mikrotik.
>
> Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
>
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
>
> Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
>
> to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).
>
> Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.
>
> Please comment on the following questions:
>
> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
>
> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
>
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
>
> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
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> During the WG LC, the shepherd’s report will be sent.
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> Cheers,
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    <p>--<br>
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> Can the authors give more explanation on the following description in
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10#sect
> ion-8:
> 
>    There are peering relationships that are 'complex', i.e., both
>    parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each other
>    to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers.  If multiple BGP
>    peerings can segregate the 'complex' parts of the relationship, the
>    complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP
>    sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting normal
>    (non-complex) BGP sessions.
>  
> Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get the
> description of $B!H(Bcomplex$B!I(B.  Is there any situation that the multiple BGP
> peering can$B!G(Bt be segregated?

we call such relationships complex because they have been quite varied.
so i am not sure how far down this rabbit hole alexander wants to go.

but let me give you an example.  i can use this one because the
relationship was publicly discovered and then disclosed.

back in the day, i think it was PSInet and AboveNet were in a peering
war.  it was causing actual damage to a significant population.  so
verio, which peered with both, configured to transit them to eachother
through verio in the middle note that this was an intermediate party
giving partial (only some routes) transit to two other parties.

now this is but one example, trying to get folk to think about how large
and complex the space of complex relationships is.  so i am not too
supportive of trying to describe the space in any formal sense.  while
gao rexford has been well demonstrated not to always hold, it is a
wonderfully simplifying assumption which lets us think about things and
then say that the rest is complex. :)

randy


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Hi Gyan,=0A=
=0A=
>I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for publicatio=
n.=0A=
=0A=
>I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very=0A=
>valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.=0A=
=0A=
Thank you.=0A=
=0A=
>This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known large=
=0A=
>BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigation.=
=0A=
=0A=
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigati=
on-02 =0A=
=0A=
Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above dra=
ft soon. =0A=
=0A=
>BGP Large Community=0A=
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092=0A=
=0A=
>Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could=0A=
>definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types=0A=
>described in RFC 7908.=0A=
=0A=
I think you meant '...definitely benefit from the role priority =0A=
feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908'.=0A=
=0A=
Great to hear that.=0A=
=0A=
Sriram=0A=
=0A=
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908 =0A=
=0A=
>Kind regards=0A=
=0A=
>Gyan=0A=


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Am I wrong in my understanding that virtually any iBGP session is 'complex'=
 in terms of this document?

E. g. an MP-BGP session between an MPLS PE and route reflectors, is it 'com=
plex'?

As I see no other special clause in the document to treat iBGP, as of my un=
derstanding, all iBGP is 'complex' so no roles needed.

Another kind of 'complex' peering might be some sort of 'non-Internet eBGP'=
: leaf-spine eBGP fabrics for example. Or any VPN eBGP: inter-provider opti=
on C, eBGP over IPSec in the enterprise between hub site and branches etc e=
tc.


=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me=
ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:31 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> > Can the authors give more explanation on the following description in
>
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10=
#sect
> > ion-8:
> > There are peering relationships that are 'complex', i.e., both
> > parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each other
> > to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers. If multiple BGP
> > peerings can segregate the 'complex' parts of the relationship, the
> > complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP
> > sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting normal
> > (non-complex) BGP sessions.
> > Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get the
> > description of =E2=80=9Ccomplex=E2=80=9D. Is there any situation that t=
he multiple BGP
> > peering can=E2=80=99t be segregated?
>
> we call such relationships complex because they have been quite varied.
> so i am not sure how far down this rabbit hole alexander wants to go.
>
> but let me give you an example. i can use this one because the
> relationship was publicly discovered and then disclosed.
>
> back in the day, i think it was PSInet and AboveNet were in a peering
> war. it was causing actual damage to a significant population. so
> verio, which peered with both, configured to transit them to eachother
> through verio in the middle note that this was an intermediate party
> giving partial (only some routes) transit to two other parties.
>
> now this is but one example, trying to get folk to think about how large
> and complex the space of complex relationships is. so i am not too
> supportive of trying to describe the space in any formal sense. while
> gao rexford has been well demonstrated not to always hold, it is a
> wonderfully simplifying assumption which lets us think about things and
> then say that the rest is complex. :)
>
> randy
>
> Idr mailing list
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> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr



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Am I wrong in my understanding that virtually any iBGP session is 'complex'=
 in terms of this document?

E. g. an MP-BGP session between an MPLS PE and route reflectors, is it 'com=
plex'?

As I see no other special clause in the document to treat iBGP, as of my un=
derstanding, all iBGP is 'complex' so no roles needed.

Another kind of 'complex' peering might be some sort of 'non-Internet eBGP'=
: leaf-spine eBGP fabrics for example. Or any VPN eBGP: inter-provider opti=
on C, eBGP over IPSec in the enterprise between hub site and branches etc e=
tc.


=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me=
ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:31 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> > Can the authors give more explanation on the following description in
>
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10=
#sect
> > ion-8:
> > There are peering relationships that are 'complex', i.e., both
> > parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each other
> > to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers. If multiple BGP
> > peerings can segregate the 'complex' parts of the relationship, the
> > complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP
> > sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting normal
> > (non-complex) BGP sessions.
> > Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get the
> > description of =E2=80=9Ccomplex=E2=80=9D. Is there any situation that t=
he multiple BGP
> > peering can=E2=80=99t be segregated?
>
> we call such relationships complex because they have been quite varied.
> so i am not sure how far down this rabbit hole alexander wants to go.
>
> but let me give you an example. i can use this one because the
> relationship was publicly discovered and then disclosed.
>
> back in the day, i think it was PSInet and AboveNet were in a peering
> war. it was causing actual damage to a significant population. so
> verio, which peered with both, configured to transit them to eachother
> through verio in the middle note that this was an intermediate party
> giving partial (only some routes) transit to two other parties.
>
> now this is but one example, trying to get folk to think about how large
> and complex the space of complex relationships is. so i am not too
> supportive of trying to describe the space in any formal sense. while
> gao rexford has been well demonstrated not to always hold, it is a
> wonderfully simplifying assumption which lets us think about things and
> then say that the rest is complex. :)
>
> randy
>
> Idr mailing list
> Idr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr



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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your comments. I'll try to clarify questions regarded to
complex relations and applicability of roles to iBGP sessions.

In the majority of cases in the document and especially for the 'BGP Role
is a new configuration option that SHOULD be configured on each BGP
session.' was meant eBGP session between ISPs. The wrong wording grows from
the old version of the drafts where we had an additional 'Internal' role.
It was removed because it had no use for the route leak prevention and
detection while adding additional complexity. This confusing wording will
be fixed.

The 'complex' cover cases where peering relation between parties is a
combination of c2p/p2p/p2c relations. Here are a few examples:

   - Two ISPs provide transit service to each other - it may be paid
   transit or free, it just exists. In some works, this relation is called
   siblings;
   - Two ISPs have customer-to-provider relation in one region peer for
   free in another region.

The point of the draft that was quoted by Aijun suggests that different
peering relations can be separated in different BGP sessions thus giving a
way to keep full beauty of automation that is provided by BGP roles. For
the second example - it works out of the box.

=D1=87=D1=82, 11 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 18:42, Pavel Lunin=
 <plunin@plunin.net>:

>
>
> Am I wrong in my understanding that virtually any iBGP session is
> 'complex' in terms of this document?
>
> E. g. an MP-BGP session between an MPLS PE and route reflectors, is it
> 'complex'?
>
> As I see no other special clause in the document to treat iBGP, as of my
> understanding, all iBGP is 'complex' so no roles needed.
>
> Another kind of 'complex' peering might be some sort of 'non-Internet
> eBGP': leaf-spine eBGP fabrics for example. Or any VPN eBGP: inter-provid=
er
> option C, eBGP over IPSec in the enterprise between hub site and branches
> etc etc.
>
>
> =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original =
Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:31 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>
> > > Can the authors give more explanation on the following description in
> >
> > >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10#s=
ect
> > > ion-8:
> > > There are peering relationships that are 'complex', i.e., both
> > > parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each other
> > > to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers. If multiple BGP
> > > peerings can segregate the 'complex' parts of the relationship, the
> > > complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP
> > > sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting normal
> > > (non-complex) BGP sessions.
> > > Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get the
> > > description of =E2=80=9Ccomplex=E2=80=9D. Is there any situation that=
 the multiple BGP
> > > peering can=E2=80=99t be segregated?
> >
> > we call such relationships complex because they have been quite varied.
> > so i am not sure how far down this rabbit hole alexander wants to go.
> >
> > but let me give you an example. i can use this one because the
> > relationship was publicly discovered and then disclosed.
> >
> > back in the day, i think it was PSInet and AboveNet were in a peering
> > war. it was causing actual damage to a significant population. so
> > verio, which peered with both, configured to transit them to eachother
> > through verio in the middle note that this was an intermediate party
> > giving partial (only some routes) transit to two other parties.
> >
> > now this is but one example, trying to get folk to think about how larg=
e
> > and complex the space of complex relationships is. so i am not too
> > supportive of trying to describe the space in any formal sense. while
> > gao rexford has been well demonstrated not to always hold, it is a
> > wonderfully simplifying assumption which lets us think about things and
> > then say that the rest is complex. :)
> >
> > randy
> >
> > Idr mailing list
> > Idr@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your com=
ments. I&#39;ll try to clarify questions regarded to complex relations and =
applicability of roles to iBGP sessions.</div><div><br></div><div>In the ma=
jority of cases in the document and especially for the &#39;BGP Role is a n=
ew configuration option that SHOULD be configured on each BGP session.&#39;=
 was meant eBGP session between ISPs. The wrong wording grows from the old =
version of the drafts where we had an additional &#39;Internal&#39; role. I=
t was removed because it had no use for the route leak prevention and detec=
tion while adding additional complexity. This confusing wording will be fix=
ed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The &#39;complex&#39; cover cases where pe=
ering relation between parties is a combination of c2p/p2p/p2c relations. H=
ere are a few examples:</div><div><ul><li>Two ISPs provide transit service =
to each other - it may be paid transit or free, it just exists. In some wor=
ks,=C2=A0this relation is called siblings;</li><li>Two ISPs have customer-t=
o-provider relation in one region peer for free in another region.</li></ul=
><div>The point of the draft that was quoted by=C2=A0Aijun suggests that di=
fferent peering relations can be separated=C2=A0in different BGP sessions t=
hus giving a way to keep full beauty of automation that is provided by BGP =
roles. For the second example - it works out of the box.</div></div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=87=
=D1=82, 11 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 18:42, Pavel Lunin &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt;:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Am I wrong in my understanding that virtually any iBGP session is &#39;comp=
lex&#39; in terms of this document?<br>
<br>
E. g. an MP-BGP session between an MPLS PE and route reflectors, is it &#39=
;complex&#39;?<br>
<br>
As I see no other special clause in the document to treat iBGP, as of my un=
derstanding, all iBGP is &#39;complex&#39; so no roles needed.<br>
<br>
Another kind of &#39;complex&#39; peering might be some sort of &#39;non-In=
ternet eBGP&#39;: leaf-spine eBGP fabrics for example. Or any VPN eBGP: int=
er-provider option C, eBGP over IPSec in the enterprise between hub site an=
d branches etc etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me=
ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90<br>
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:31 PM, Randy Bush &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy@=
psg.com" target=3D"_blank">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; &gt; Can the authors give more explanation on the following descriptio=
n in<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-b=
gp-open-policy-10#sect" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatr=
acker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10#sect</a><br>
&gt; &gt; ion-8:<br>
&gt; &gt; There are peering relationships that are &#39;complex&#39;, i.e.,=
 both<br>
&gt; &gt; parties are intentionally sending prefixes received from each oth=
er<br>
&gt; &gt; to their non-transit peers and/or transit providers. If multiple =
BGP<br>
&gt; &gt; peerings can segregate the &#39;complex&#39; parts of the relatio=
nship, the<br>
&gt; &gt; complex peering roles can be segregated into different normal BGP=
<br>
&gt; &gt; sessions, and BGP Roles MUST be used on each of the resulting nor=
mal<br>
&gt; &gt; (non-complex) BGP sessions.<br>
&gt; &gt; Some figures or more detailed explanations will be helpful to get=
 the<br>
&gt; &gt; description of =E2=80=9Ccomplex=E2=80=9D. Is there any situation =
that the multiple BGP<br>
&gt; &gt; peering can=E2=80=99t be segregated?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; we call such relationships complex because they have been quite varied=
.<br>
&gt; so i am not sure how far down this rabbit hole alexander wants to go.<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; but let me give you an example. i can use this one because the<br>
&gt; relationship was publicly discovered and then disclosed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; back in the day, i think it was PSInet and AboveNet were in a peering<=
br>
&gt; war. it was causing actual damage to a significant population. so<br>
&gt; verio, which peered with both, configured to transit them to eachother=
<br>
&gt; through verio in the middle note that this was an intermediate party<b=
r>
&gt; giving partial (only some routes) transit to two other parties.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; now this is but one example, trying to get folk to think about how lar=
ge<br>
&gt; and complex the space of complex relationships is. so i am not too<br>
&gt; supportive of trying to describe the space in any formal sense. while<=
br>
&gt; gao rexford has been well demonstrated not to always hold, it is a<br>
&gt; wonderfully simplifying assumption which lets us think about things an=
d<br>
&gt; then say that the rest is complex. :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; randy<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Idr mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">Idr@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr</a><br>
<br>
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 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<div>Alexander Azi=
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Pavel:

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Thank you for this feedback. I expect a new revision of the =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy within a few days.  We will continue the =
discussion on this point until we reach a full resolution.=20

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As shepherd, I am waiting for -11.txt to see if this addresses your =
issues.     =20

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Sue=20

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From: Pavel Lunin [mailto:plunin@plunin.net]=20
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Hi Susan,

=20

1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.=20

=20

A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more =
generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP =
sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.

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However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if =
authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term =
"BGP" is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of =
only one occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to =
set the roles on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look =
evident that the general context is inter-domain routing, so the =
document covers eBGP. However the potential audience of this document is =
very broad, including people not very experienced in BGP operational =
practices (this is were route leaks often come from) so I would suggest =
to make this point more explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word =
'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph =
is needed to make this point clearer.

=20

> By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward =
compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.

Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or =
almost all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not =
totally correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and =
role-based policies.

=20

This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice =
recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the =
document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if =
needed.

=20

2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use =
cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.

=20

=20

Kind regards,

Pavel

=20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:

1) Is this specification ready for publication?

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?

=20

The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20

During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.

=20

Cheers,

=20

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D'>Pavel:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thank you for this feedback. I expect a new revision of the =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy within a few days.=C2=A0 We will continue =
the discussion on this point until we reach a full resolution. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>As shepherd, I am waiting for -11.txt to see if this addresses your =
issues. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Sue <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Pavel Lunin [mailto:plunin@plunin.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June =
10, 2020 9:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares<br><b>Cc:</b> 'idr@ietf. =
org'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to =
6/18)(.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Susan,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) I support the advancement of this draft to =
publication. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford model&quot; and =
more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to =
eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>However from the operational point of view it's =
somewhat unclear if authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. =
The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used everywhere throughout the =
document (with an exception of only one occurrence), so it might seem =
that the document recommends to set the roles on all iBGP sessions as =
well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general context is =
inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the potential =
audience of this document is very broad, including people not very =
experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often =
come from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably =
some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just =
a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point =
clearer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false =
for backward compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support =
this mechanism.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Same here. =
&quot;Backward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost =
all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally =
correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based =
policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This being said, this nuance only affects operational =
practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by =
the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with =
roles if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for =
almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet =
routes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pavel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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the following questions:<o:p></o:p></p><p>1) Is this specification ready =
for publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>2) Are there deployments where this =
BGP protocol extension is valuable?<o:p></o:p></p><p>3) Do you believe =
the error code handling is ready for =
publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>The shepherd for =
this draft is Susan Hares.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>During the WG LC, the =
shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be =
sent.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <
kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote:

> Hi Gyan,
>
> >I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for
> publication.
>
> >I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very
> >valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.
>
> Thank you.
>
> >This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known large
> >BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigation.
>
> >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02
>
> Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above
> draft soon.
>
> >BGP Large Community
> >https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092
>
> >Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could
> >definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types
> >described in RFC 7908.
>
> I think you meant '...definitely benefit from the role priority
> feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908'.


  Gyan> Yes that is what I meant

 So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which were
the vendors?

Also if the beta code feature is available do you have any operators
testing the code?

>
>
> Great to hear that.
>
> Sriram
>
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908
>
> >Kind regards
>
> >Gyan
>
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<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov">kotikalapudi.sriram@ni=
st.gov</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Gyan,<br>
<br>
&gt;I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for publica=
tion.<br>
<br>
&gt;I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very<b=
r>
&gt;valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.<=
br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
&gt;This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known lar=
ge<br>
&gt;BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigati=
on.<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-dete=
ction-mitigation-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02</a> <br>
<br>
Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above dra=
ft soon. <br>
<br>
&gt;BGP Large Community<br>
&gt;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092</a><br>
<br>
&gt;Speaking from the looking glass=C2=A0 of a tier 1 provider Verizon we c=
ould<br>
&gt;definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types<b=
r>
&gt;described in RFC 7908.<br>
<br>
I think you meant &#39;...definitely benefit from the role priority <br>
feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908&#39;.</block=
quote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 Gyan&gt; Yes tha=
t is what I meant</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0=
So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which were t=
he vendors?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also if the =
beta code feature is available do you have any operators testing the code?<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Great to hear that.<br>
<br>
Sriram<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908</a> <br>
<br>
&gt;Kind regards<br>
<br>
&gt;Gyan<br>
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Hi Susan

I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this feat=
ure
would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet perspective=
 would be ASBRs
ties interconnection between providers thus =E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and=
 could be over
AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 2/128.

I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having internet
table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global tab=
le over
mpls, IP VPN.  In the IP VPN case their are providers that segregate global
table to be clean of customer routes with only connected interfaces IGP for
P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table carried in a dedicated internet
VRF.  In those cases inter-as carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP
only an IP based bgp policy.  Their maybe some cases but less often where
MPLS is used over internet and public internet and private is carried over
the same MPLS transport.

Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe important
to mention as may impact the use of role feature.

The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large
enterprises as well.

Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case so
which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.

That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be Default
enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP reach
capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.  This would
allow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =E2=80=9Cinte=
r-as=E2=80=9D
ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:

> Hi Susan,
>
> 1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.
>
> A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more
> generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP
> sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this
> document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically
> unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a lo=
t:
> ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any harm, a=
nd
> having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network operators
> make the decision whether they want to change the today's behavior of iBG=
P
> default policies.
>
> However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if
> authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term "BG=
P"
> is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of only one
> occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to set the rol=
es
> on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the
> general context is inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP.
> However the potential audience of this document is very broad, including
> people not very experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were
> route leaks often come from) so I would suggest to make this point more
> explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced =
by
> 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point
> clearer.
>
> > By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward
> compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.
> Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or almost
> all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally
> correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based
> policies.
>
> This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice
> recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the
> document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if
> needed.
>
> 2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use case=
s
> where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Pavel
>
>
> Please comment on the following questions:
>
> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
>
> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
>
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
>
>
>
> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
>
> During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Susan</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in =
that this feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from in=
ternet perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers th=
us =E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 2/1=
28. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I mention the=
 SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having internet table carried=
 in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global table over mpls,=
 IP VPN.=C2=A0 In the IP VPN case their are providers that segregate global=
 table to be clean of customer routes with only connected interfaces IGP fo=
r P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table carried in a dedicated internet V=
RF.=C2=A0 In those cases inter-as carriers may do mpls inter-as option or i=
f IP only an IP based bgp policy.=C2=A0 Their maybe some cases but less oft=
en where MPLS is used over internet and public internet and private is carr=
ied over the same MPLS transport.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe =
important to mention as may impact the use of role feature.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The main use case is for internet pro=
viders but could be used for large enterprises as well.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Once vendors implement the feature an=
y operator can use for any use case so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical t=
o keep disabled by Default.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be Defau=
lt enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP reach capabi=
lity standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.=C2=A0 This would a=
llow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =E2=80=9Cinter=
-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Susan,<br></div><div><br></div><div>=
1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication. <br></div><div><=
br></div><div>A little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford mode=
l&quot; and more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applica=
ble to eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually &#39;complex&#39; in terms =
used in this document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practicall=
y unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn&#39;t change =
a lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn&#39;t seem to make an=
y harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network o=
perators make the decision whether they want to change the today&#39;s beha=
vior of iBGP default policies.<br></div><div><br></div><div>However from th=
e operational point of view it&#39;s somewhat unclear if authors propose to=
 configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used=
 everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of only one occurren=
ce), so it might seem that the document recommends to set the roles on all =
iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general =
context is inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the p=
otential audience of this document is very broad, including people not very=
 experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often c=
ome from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably som=
e occurrences of the word &#39;BGP&#39; should be replaced by &#39;eBGP&#39=
; or just a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point clearer.=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt; By default, strict mode
   SHOULD be set to false for backward compatibility with BGP speakers
   that do not yet support this mechanism.<br></div><div>Same here. &quot;B=
ackward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost all BGP s=
essions should be configured with roles while it&#39;s not totally correct:=
 iBGP speakers won&#39;t probably ever need roles and role-based policies.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>This being said, this nuance only affects oper=
ational practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defin=
ed by the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with r=
oles if needed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>2) Deployments of this extensi=
on will be valuable for almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange=
 public Internet routes.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind r=
egards,<br></div><div>Pavel<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><p>Please comment on the following questions:<br></p=
><p>1) Is this specification ready for publication?<br></p><p>2) Are there =
deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?<br></p><p>3) Do =
you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?<br></p><p>=C2=
=A0<br></p><p>The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=C2=A0<br></p><p>D=
uring the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.<br></p><p>=C2=
=A0<br></p><p>Cheers,<br></p><p>=C2=A0<br></p><p>=C2=A0<br></p></div></bloc=
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Hi Authors

Tracker shows this draft in WGLC state?

Is that correct?
BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)
draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05

   - Status <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/>
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:50 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution
> (RPD)
>         Authors         : Zhenbin Li
>                           Liang Ou
>                           Yujia Luo
>                           Sujian Lu
>                           Huaimo Chen
>                           Shunwan Zhuang
>                           Haibo Wang
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt
>         Pages           : 18
>         Date            : 2020-06-09
>
> Abstract:
>    It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a
>    traditional IP network from time to time through manual
>    configurations.  It is desirable to have an automatic mechanism for
>    setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize
>    traffic paths automatically.  This document describes BGP Extensions
>    for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this.
>
>
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dth:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,se=
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ight;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:9=
em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">=
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/help/state/draft/ietf" style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pa=
latino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)">WG state</a></th>=
<td class=3D"edit" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1=
.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&qu=
ot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top=
;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue =
Swift&quot;,serif">In WG Last Call</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"=
><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vert=
ical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&qu=
ot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:=
top;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatin=
o,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Document shepherd</th><td class=3D"edit" st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-al=
ign:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pal=
atino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px=
;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">No=
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221,221,221)"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif=
&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-widt=
h:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&=
quot;,serif">IESG</th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;text-a=
lign:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;w=
idth:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,s=
erif"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/help/state/draft/iesg" style=
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uot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)">IESG state=
</a></th><td class=3D"edit" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line=
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amily:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td =
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-=
align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&q=
uot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">I-D Exists</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,se=
rif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;=
vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Seri=
f&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-al=
ign:top;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pal=
atino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Consensus Boilerplate</th><td class=3D"=
edit" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;ver=
tical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&q=
uot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-w=
idth:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,s=
erif"><span title=3D"" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT =
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uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:50 PM =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1=
ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Zhen=
bin Li<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Liang Ou<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yujia Luo<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sujian Lu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huaimo Chen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Shunwan Zhuang<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Haibo Wang<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-idr-rpd-05.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
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 2020-06-09<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traditional IP network from time to time through manual<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0configurations.=C2=A0 It is desirable to have an automatic mec=
hanism for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic paths automatically.=C2=A0 This document describes BGP=
 Extensions<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this.<br>
<br>
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Just my standard ping=E2=80=A6

I know that John has been working through some of the comments with you. :-=
)


Alvaro.

On April 25, 2020 at 10:02:14 AM, Keyur Patel (keyur@arrcus.com) wrote:

Hi Alvaro,

We are working on your review comments. We will send the reply soon.

Apologies for taking it a bit long.

Regards,
Keyur

On Apr 25, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ping!

On February 25, 2020 at 12:09:11 PM, Keyur Patel (keyur@arrcus.com) wrote:

Thanks for the detail review and comments. We will get back to you soon
with our response.

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tica,Arial;font-size:13px">Just my standard ping=E2=80=A6</div><div style=
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;font-size:13px">Alvaro.</div> <br><p class=3D"airmail_on">On April 25, 202=
0 at 10:02:14 AM, Keyur Patel (<a href=3D"mailto:keyur@arrcus.com">keyur@ar=
rcus.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq"><span=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Alvaro,</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Apologies for taking it a bit long.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 25, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Alvaro Retana &lt;<a=
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<p class=3D"airmail_on">On February 25, 2020 at 12:09:11 PM, Keyur Patel (<=
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 for the detail review and comments. We will get back to you soon with our =
response.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span></div>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR)
        Authors         : Robert Raszuk
                          Christian Cassar
                          Erik Aman
                          Bruno Decraene
                          Kevin Wang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-21.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2020-06-16

Abstract:
   This document defines an extension to BGP route reflectors.  On route
   reflectors, BGP route selection is modified in order to choose the
   best path for their clients standpoint, rather than from the route
   reflectors standpoint.  Multiple type of granularity are proposed,
   from a per client BGP route selection or to a per peer group,
   depending on the scaling and precision requirements on route
   selection.  This solution is particularly applicable in deployments
   using centralized route reflectors, where choosing the best route
   based on the Route Reflector IGP location is suboptimal.  This
   facilitates, for example, best exit point policy (hot potato
   routing).

   The solution relies upon all route reflectors learning all paths
   which are eligible for consideration.  Best path selection is
   performed in each route reflector based on the IGP cost from a
   selected location in the link state IGP.


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        Title           : Route Leak Prevention using Roles in Update and Open messages
        Authors         : Alexander Azimov
                          Eugene Bogomazov
                          Randy Bush
                          Keyur Patel
                          Kotikalapudi Sriram
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11.txt
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	Date            : 2020-06-16

Abstract:
   Route leaks are the propagation of BGP prefixes which violate
   assumptions of BGP topology relationships; e.g. passing a route
   learned from one lateral peer to another lateral peer or a transit
   provider, passing a route learned from one transit provider to
   another transit provider or a lateral peer.  Existing approaches to
   leak prevention rely on marking routes by operator configuration,
   with no check that the configuration corresponds to that of the eBGP
   neighbor, or enforcement that the two eBGP speakers agree on the
   relationship.  This document enhances BGP OPEN to establish agreement
   of the (peer, customer, provider, Route Server, Route Server client)
   relationship of two neighboring eBGP speakers to enforce appropriate
   configuration on both sides.  Propagated routes are then marked with
   an OTC attribute according to the agreed relationship, allowing both
   prevention and detection of route leaks.



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Dear colleagues,

In the last days, I have accumulated comments that were received both
on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who contributed to the improved
quality of the document. Accompanied by minor changes there are two
important edits that I'd like to highlight:

   - We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: 'BGP Roles
   SHOULD be configured on each eBGP session between ISPs that carry IPv4
   and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is also an explicit
   statement that the applicability of Roles for other address families is =
out
   of scope of this document.
   - The registry for Roles now has three parts: Expert Review
   (0-127), First Come First Served (128-251), and Experimental Use (252-25=
5).
   The statement is added that guarantees that newly defined roles will not
   pair with Roles defined in the draft.

Since these changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and
needed in the implementations.
The new version of the draft is available:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11


=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:47, Gyan Mishra=
 <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:

> Hi Susan
>
> I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this fe=
ature
> would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet perspecti=
ve would be ASBRs
> ties interconnection between providers thus =E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only a=
nd could be over
> AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 2/128.
>
> I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having interne=
t
> table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global t=
able over
> mpls, IP VPN.  In the IP VPN case their are providers that segregate glob=
al
> table to be clean of customer routes with only connected interfaces IGP f=
or
> P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table carried in a dedicated internet
> VRF.  In those cases inter-as carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if =
IP
> only an IP based bgp policy.  Their maybe some cases but less often where
> MPLS is used over internet and public internet and private is carried ove=
r
> the same MPLS transport.
>
> Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe importan=
t
> to mention as may impact the use of role feature.
>
> The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large
> enterprises as well.
>
> Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case
> so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.
>
> That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be Default
> enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP reach
> capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.  This woul=
d
> allow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =E2=80=9Cin=
ter-as=E2=80=9D
> ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Gyan
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>> 1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.
>>
>> A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more
>> generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP
>> sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this
>> document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically
>> unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a l=
ot:
>> ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any harm, =
and
>> having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network operators
>> make the decision whether they want to change the today's behavior of iB=
GP
>> default policies.
>>
>> However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if
>> authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term "B=
GP"
>> is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of only on=
e
>> occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to set the ro=
les
>> on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that th=
e
>> general context is inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP.
>> However the potential audience of this document is very broad, including
>> people not very experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were
>> route leaks often come from) so I would suggest to make this point more
>> explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced=
 by
>> 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point
>> clearer.
>>
>> > By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward
>> compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.
>> Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or almos=
t
>> all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally
>> correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based
>> policies.
>>
>> This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice
>> recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the
>> document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if
>> needed.
>>
>> 2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use
>> cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Pavel
>>
>>
>> Please comment on the following questions:
>>
>> 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
>>
>> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
>>
>> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
>>
>>
>>
>> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
>>
>> During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
>>
> --
>
> <http://www.verizon.com/>
>
> *Gyan Mishra*
>
> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>
>
>
> *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div>In th=
e last days, I have accumulated comments that were received both on-list an=
d off-list. I&#39;d like to thank all who contributed to the improved quali=
ty of the document. Accompanied by minor changes there are two important ed=
its that I&#39;d like to highlight:</div><div><ul><li>We clearly specified =
the scope of the Roles configuration: &#39;BGP Roles SHOULD be configured o=
n=C2=A0each eBGP session between ISPs that carry IPv4 and(or) IPv6 unicast =
prefixes&#39;. In section 8 there is also an explicit statement that the ap=
plicability of Roles for other address families=C2=A0is out of scope of thi=
s document.</li><li>The registry for Roles now has three parts:=C2=A0Expert=
 Review (0-127),=C2=A0First Come First Served (128-251), and=C2=A0Experimen=
tal Use (252-255). The statement=C2=A0is added that guarantees that newly d=
efined roles will not pair with Roles defined in the draft.<br></li></ul><d=
iv>Since these changes don&#39;t affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes a=
nd needed in the implementations.</div><div>The new version of the draft is=
 available:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-=
open-policy-11">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-=
11</a></div></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =
=D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:47, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Susan</div><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I agree with Pavel=E2=80=
=99s important point in the draft in that this feature would be for =E2=80=
=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet perspective would be ASBRs tie=
s interconnection between providers thus =E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and co=
uld be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 2/128. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of =
carriers having internet table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global tabl=
e IP backbone, global table over mpls, IP VPN.=C2=A0 In the IP VPN case the=
ir are providers that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes=
 with only connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet t=
able carried in a dedicated internet VRF.=C2=A0 In those cases inter-as car=
riers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp policy.=C2=
=A0 Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used over internet =
and public internet and private is carried over the same MPLS transport.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Those permutations of the =
operators network inter-as types maybe important to mention as may impact t=
he use of role feature.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large ent=
erprises as well.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case so=
 which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">That being said we would not want =
the role priority feature to be Default enabled since you cannot distinguis=
h eBGP or iBGP from a MP reach capability standpoint it really has to be di=
sabled by Default.=C2=A0 This would allow in a controlled fashion by operat=
ors to enable on their =E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties o=
nly.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10,=
 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net" targe=
t=3D"_blank">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Susan,<br></div><div><br></div><div>1=
) I support the advancement of this draft to publication. <br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>A little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford model=
&quot; and more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicab=
le to eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually &#39;complex&#39; in terms u=
sed in this document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically=
 unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn&#39;t change a=
 lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn&#39;t seem to make any=
 harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network op=
erators make the decision whether they want to change the today&#39;s behav=
ior of iBGP default policies.<br></div><div><br></div><div>However from the=
 operational point of view it&#39;s somewhat unclear if authors propose to =
configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used =
everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of only one occurrenc=
e), so it might seem that the document recommends to set the roles on all i=
BGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general c=
ontext is inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the po=
tential audience of this document is very broad, including people not very =
experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often co=
me from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably some=
 occurrences of the word &#39;BGP&#39; should be replaced by &#39;eBGP&#39;=
 or just a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point clearer.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt; By default, strict mode
   SHOULD be set to false for backward compatibility with BGP speakers
   that do not yet support this mechanism.<br></div><div>Same here. &quot;B=
ackward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost all BGP s=
essions should be configured with roles while it&#39;s not totally correct:=
 iBGP speakers won&#39;t probably ever need roles and role-based policies.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>This being said, this nuance only affects oper=
ational practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defin=
ed by the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with r=
oles if needed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>2) Deployments of this extensi=
on will be valuable for almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange=
 public Internet routes.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind r=
egards,<br></div><div>Pavel<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><p>Please comment on the following questions:<br></p=
><p>1) Is this specification ready for publication?<br></p><p>2) Are there =
deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?<br></p><p>3) Do =
you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?<br></p><p>=C2=
=A0<br></p><p>The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=C2=A0<br></p><p>D=
uring the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.<br></p><p>=C2=
=A0<br></p><p>Cheers,<br></p><p>=C2=A0<br></p><p>=C2=A0<br></p></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><p style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href=3D"http://=
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>Gyan Mishra</b></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);margin:0px;line-height:=
13px"><font face=3D"georgia, serif" style=3D"color:black;font-size:1em"><i>=
Network Solutions A</i></font><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"georgia, seri=
f"><i>rchitect=C2=A0</i></font></p><p style=3D"font-size:1em;margin:0px;lin=
e-height:13px;color:black"><i><font face=3D"georgia, serif">M 301 502-1347<=
br>13101 Columbia Pike=C2=A0<br></font></i>Silver Spring, MD</p></div><div>=
<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<div>Alexander Azimov</div></div></d=
iv>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 23:47:58 +0300
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Hi Gyan,

As it was discussed in the mailing list the two of three current
implementations are based on open source software: BIRD and FRR, they are
compatible. We haven't yet tested intercompatibility with Microtik. There
were also plans at the openbgpd community, but as far as I know, now
results yet.

>From Yandex, we are planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for
Juniper. I know that DTAG has already made these requests for its vendors.
If Verizon will also ask for this feature it may get more momentum.

=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mishra=
 <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <
> kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gyan,
>>
>> >I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for
>> publication.
>>
>> >I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very
>> >valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> >This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known lar=
ge
>> >BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak
>> mitigation.
>>
>> >
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigat=
ion-02
>>
>> Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above
>> draft soon.
>>
>> >BGP Large Community
>> >https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092
>>
>> >Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could
>> >definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types
>> >described in RFC 7908.
>>
>> I think you meant '...definitely benefit from the role priority
>> feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908'.
>
>
>   Gyan> Yes that is what I meant
>
>  So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which wer=
e
> the vendors?
>
> Also if the beta code feature is available do you have any operators
> testing the code?
>
>>
>>
>> Great to hear that.
>>
>> Sriram
>>
>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908
>>
>> >Kind regards
>>
>> >Gyan
>>
> --
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>
> *Gyan Mishra*
>
> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>
>
>
> *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
>
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Alexander Azimov

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Gyan,<div><br></div><div>As it was discussed in the mai=
ling list the two of three current implementations are based on open source=
 software: BIRD and FRR, they are compatible. We haven&#39;t yet tested int=
ercompatibility with Microtik. There were also plans at the openbgpd commun=
ity, but as far as I know, now results yet.=C2=A0<br><br>From Yandex, we ar=
e planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for Juniper. I know that=
 DTAG has already made these requests for its vendors. If Verizon will also=
 ask for this feature it may get more momentum.<br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =
=D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2=
020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kotikalapu=
di.sriram@nist.gov" target=3D"_blank">kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Gyan,<=
br>
<br>
&gt;I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for publica=
tion.<br>
<br>
&gt;I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very<b=
r>
&gt;valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.<=
br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
&gt;This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known lar=
ge<br>
&gt;BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigati=
on.<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-dete=
ction-mitigation-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02</a> <br>
<br>
Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above dra=
ft soon. <br>
<br>
&gt;BGP Large Community<br>
&gt;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092</a><br>
<br>
&gt;Speaking from the looking glass=C2=A0 of a tier 1 provider Verizon we c=
ould<br>
&gt;definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types<b=
r>
&gt;described in RFC 7908.<br>
<br>
I think you meant &#39;...definitely benefit from the role priority <br>
feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908&#39;.</block=
quote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 Gyan&gt; Yes tha=
t is what I meant</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0=
So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which were t=
he vendors?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also if the =
beta code feature is available do you have any operators testing the code?<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Great to hear that.<br>
<br>
Sriram<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908</a> <br>
<br>
&gt;Kind regards<br>
<br>
&gt;Gyan<br>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><p style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href=3D"http://=
www.verizon.com/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);padding-bottom:1em;display:=
inline-block" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http://ss7.vzw.com/is/image/Ver=
izonWireless/vz-logo-email" width=3D"81" height=3D"18" style=3D"height: 18p=
x; width: 81px;"></a><br></p><p style=3D"font-size:1em;margin:0px;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Verizon NHG DS&quot;,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:13px;color:black=
"><b>Gyan Mishra</b></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);margin:0px;line-hei=
ght:13px"><font face=3D"georgia, serif" style=3D"color:black;font-size:1em"=
><i>Network Solutions A</i></font><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"georgia, =
serif"><i>rchitect=C2=A0</i></font></p><p style=3D"font-size:1em;margin:0px=
;line-height:13px;color:black"><i><font face=3D"georgia, serif">M 301 502-1=
347<br>13101 Columbia Pike=C2=A0<br></font></i>Silver Spring, MD</p></div><=
div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<div>Alexander Azi=
mov</div></div></div>

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I read the latest version (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11) and agree
that is it ready for publication.

The only suggestion I may make it to be even more explicit about how
roles and OTC are supposed to be set or not when announcing routes
internally (e.g. iBGP). I am referring to the issue that Pavel Lunin
brought up. I think a sentence in the Introduction explaining the scope
would help.

Andrei


Susan Hares wrote on 04/06/2020 23:19:
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Few comments on the latest draft.

In Section 6 at the very top can we change the verbiage describing OTC from
=E2=80=9Ctransitive=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Coptional transitive=E2=80=9D as th=
e BGP path attribute is not a
required transitive attribute.

Also since the this new OTC path attribute is set on the eBGP peering
session it is then propagated within the operators transit AS iBGP mesh.
For clarity it maybe good to mention the OTC attribute being set on the
eBGP peering and then being propagated within a providers network via iBGP
to other external peering.

Section 5 mentions role correction mismatch, however what if one side of
peering session supports and other side does not the session would not come
up similar to role mismatch.  I think text should be added for that
scenario.

It maybe a good idea in the appendix to specificity the logical functional
configuration that is auto generated from each of the role mode settings.
In some of the role modes it seems similar to no-export or no-advertise
community being set for all prefixes from a peer based on role mode.

Can the OTC optional transitive path attribute be used in BGP best path
selection process, and if so then RFC 4271 should be updated to reflect.

Once the OTC path attribute is set on a prefix similar to the concept of
BGP community setting, where you can append communities with =E2=80=9Caddit=
ive=E2=80=9D
push function, or you can pop and reset or remove the pre existing
communities.  Can the OTC path attribute set on a set of prefixes be
removed once it=E2=80=99s set and can it be done inbound or outbound and on=
 any
eBGP or iBGP session.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Andrei Robachevsky <
andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> I read the latest version (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11) and agree
> that is it ready for publication.
>
> The only suggestion I may make it to be even more explicit about how
> roles and OTC are supposed to be set or not when announcing routes
> internally (e.g. iBGP). I am referring to the issue that Pavel Lunin
> brought up. I think a sentence in the Introduction explaining the scope
> would help.
>
> Andrei
>
>
> Susan Hares wrote on 04/06/2020 23:19:
> > This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
> >
> > From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik.
> >
> > The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.
> >
> > I do not have details on Mikrotik.
> >
> >
> >
> > Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page:
> >
> > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
> >
> >
> >
> > Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD
> >
> > to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).
> >
> > Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please comment on the following questions:
> >
> > 1) Is this specification ready for publication?
> >
> > 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?
> >
> > 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?
> >
> >
> >
> > The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.
> >
> > During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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<div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Few comments on the latest draft.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">In Section 6 at the very to=
p can we change the verbiage describing OTC from =E2=80=9Ctransitive=E2=80=
=9D to =E2=80=9Coptional transitive=E2=80=9D as the BGP path attribute is n=
ot a required transitive attribute.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Also since the this new OTC path attribute is set on the eBGP p=
eering session it is then propagated within the operators transit AS iBGP m=
esh.=C2=A0 For clarity it maybe good to mention the OTC attribute being set=
 on the eBGP peering and then being propagated within a providers network v=
ia iBGP to other external peering.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Section 5 mentions role correction mismatch, however what if one=
 side of peering session supports and other side does not the session would=
 not come up similar to role mismatch.=C2=A0 I think text should be added f=
or that scenario.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It may=
be a good idea in the appendix to specificity the logical functional config=
uration that is auto generated from each of the role mode settings. In some=
 of the role modes it seems similar to no-export or no-advertise community =
being set for all prefixes from a peer based on role mode.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Can the OTC optional transitive path att=
ribute be used in BGP best path selection process, and if so then RFC 4271 =
should be updated to reflect.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">Once the OTC path attribute is set on a prefix similar to the concept=
 of BGP community setting, where you can append communities with =E2=80=9Ca=
dditive=E2=80=9D push function, or you can pop and reset or remove the pre =
existing communities.=C2=A0 Can the OTC path attribute set on a set of pref=
ixes be removed once it=E2=80=99s set and can it be done inbound or outboun=
d and on any eBGP or iBGP session.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">Gyan</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Andrei Robachevsky &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com">andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;bor=
der-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I read the latest version (draft-ietf-idr-=
bgp-open-policy-11) and agree<br>
that is it ready for publication.<br>
<br>
The only suggestion I may make it to be even more explicit about how<br>
roles and OTC are supposed to be set or not when announcing routes<br>
internally (e.g. iBGP). I am referring to the issue that Pavel Lunin<br>
brought up. I think a sentence in the Introduction explaining the scope<br>
would help.<br>
<br>
Andrei<br>
<br>
<br>
Susan Hares wrote on 04/06/2020 23:19:<br>
&gt; This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.=C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There are 3 implementations:=C2=A0=C2=A0 BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and =
Mikrotik.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I do not have details on Mikrotik.=C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Details on the =C2=A0interoperability are on the following IDR wiki pa=
ge:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open=
-policy" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/id=
r/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Only one=C2=A0 error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).=C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.=C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please comment on the following questions:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1) Is this specification ready for publication?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable=
?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?<br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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Hi Alexander

Thank you for responding as far as vendor implementation status and
compatibility.

I mentioned this off list to one of the other authors
Sriram.

One aspect of this role feature that is critical to Verizon is if this
feature can be used with SAFI 128.

Verizon as well as most other Tier 1 / 2 providers carry the internet table
in a separate IP VPN VRF over an MPLS  or SR core and keep the global table
clean of just operator IGP connected prefixes carrying topmost label FEC
binding only and not cluttered with the internet BGP table.

So this feature would need to support SAFI 128 for inter-as options or in
SR case SR-TE binding sid policy.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:48 PM Alexander Azimov <a.e.azimov@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Gyan,
>
> As it was discussed in the mailing list the two of three current
> implementations are based on open source software: BIRD and FRR, they are
> compatible. We haven't yet tested intercompatibility with Microtik. There
> were also plans at the openbgpd community, but as far as I know, now
> results yet.
>
> From Yandex, we are planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for
> Juniper. I know that DTAG has already made these requests for its vendors=
.
> If Verizon will also ask for this feature it may get more momentum.
>
> =D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mish=
ra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <
>> kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gyan,
>>>
>>> >I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for
>>> publication.
>>>
>>> >I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very
>>> >valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> >This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known
>>> large
>>> >BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak
>>> mitigation.
>>>
>>> >
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitiga=
tion-02
>>>
>>> Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above
>>> draft soon.
>>>
>>> >BGP Large Community
>>> >https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092
>>>
>>> >Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could
>>> >definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types
>>> >described in RFC 7908.
>>>
>>> I think you meant '...definitely benefit from the role priority
>>> feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908'.
>>
>>
>>   Gyan> Yes that is what I meant
>>
>>  So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which
>> were the vendors?
>>
>> Also if the beta code feature is available do you have any operators
>> testing the code?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great to hear that.
>>>
>>> Sriram
>>>
>>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908
>>>
>>> >Kind regards
>>>
>>> >Gyan
>>>
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>>
>> *Gyan Mishra*
>>
>> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>>
>>
>>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Alexander</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Thank you for responding as far as vendor implementation =
status and compatibility.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">I mentioned this off list to one of the other authors=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Sriram.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">One as=
pect of this role feature that is critical to Verizon is if this feature ca=
n be used with SAFI 128.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Verizon as well as most other Tier 1 / 2 providers carry the interne=
t table in a separate IP VPN VRF over an MPLS =C2=A0or SR core and keep the=
 global table clean of just operator IGP connected prefixes carrying topmos=
t label FEC binding only and not cluttered with the internet BGP table. =C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So this feature woul=
d need to support SAFI 128 for inter-as options or in SR case SR-TE binding=
 sid policy.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regard=
s=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,=
 Jun 16, 2020 at 4:48 PM Alexander Azimov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a.e.azimov@=
gmail.com">a.e.azimov@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Gyan,<div><br></div><div>As it was discus=
sed in the mailing list the two of three current implementations are based =
on open source software: BIRD and FRR, they are compatible. We haven&#39;t =
yet tested intercompatibility with Microtik. There were also plans at the o=
penbgpd community, but as far as I know, now results yet.=C2=A0<br><br>From=
 Yandex, we are planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for Junipe=
r. I know that DTAG has already made these requests for its vendors. If Ver=
izon will also ask for this feature it may get more momentum.<br></div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=
=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mishra &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:=
14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kotikalapudi.sriram@=
nist.gov" target=3D"_blank">kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Gyan,<br>
<br>
&gt;I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for publica=
tion.<br>
<br>
&gt;I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very<b=
r>
&gt;valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises.<=
br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
&gt;This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known lar=
ge<br>
&gt;BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigati=
on.<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-dete=
ction-mitigation-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02</a> <br>
<br>
Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above dra=
ft soon. <br>
<br>
&gt;BGP Large Community<br>
&gt;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092</a><br>
<br>
&gt;Speaking from the looking glass=C2=A0 of a tier 1 provider Verizon we c=
ould<br>
&gt;definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types<b=
r>
&gt;described in RFC 7908.<br>
<br>
I think you meant &#39;...definitely benefit from the role priority <br>
feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908&#39;.</block=
quote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 Gyan&gt; Yes tha=
t is what I meant</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0=
So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which were t=
he vendors?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also if the =
beta code feature is available do you have any operators testing the code?<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Great to hear that.<br>
<br>
Sriram<br>
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908</a> <br>
<br>
&gt;Kind regards<br>
<br>
&gt;Gyan<br>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><p style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href=3D"http://=
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13px"><font face=3D"georgia, serif" style=3D"color:black;font-size:1em"><i>=
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e-height:13px;color:black"><i><font face=3D"georgia, serif">M 301 502-1347<=
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</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<div>Alexander Azimov</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
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Makes sense as this is the introduction of the feature which can be built
on with as you said many unlimited use cases which can be addressed in
subsequent drafts.

Thank you

Gyan

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 8:05 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:

> Gyan,
>
> Sorry for replying for the authors but it looks like there is a
> misunderstanding here:
>
> >So this feature would need to support SAFI 128 for inter-as options or i=
n
> SR case SR-TE binding sid policy.
>
>
>
> As I understood, the current draft already implies such support. All BGP
> sessions can have role capability announced and consequently nothing
> prevents you to use roles for inter-as option C or any-other non unicast
> inet/inet6 eBGP sessions in accordance with the current edition.
>
> However the draft says that it makes no assumption about such use cases.
> E. g. the question if this is practically useful or not is out of scope o=
f
> this document and should be answered by the network operators individuall=
y.
>
> And I think it is a good idea to keep it like this, as potentially you ca=
n
> have an unlimited number of such use cases. Option C inter-as L3 VPN is
> only one of them but I can easily imagine eBGP EVPN type5 in the DC
> applications, inter-domain flowspec eBGP, iner-as service controllers wit=
h
> eBGP injectors and all sorts of other things where roles could be
> potentially useful.
>
> However if we try to describe all such cases in a single document, it's
> not going to be complete ever and the draft will become endless. So inste=
ad
> of trying to list them all in the same initial draft, it's probably a
> better idea to let people write separate documents explaining how such
> cases should work (probably new roles should be introduced for flowspec e=
tc
> etc).
>
> Also, as of my experience, it doesn't look like in the today's world
> "Internet over multi-as VPN" is a source of route leaks (in contrast to
> vanilla inter-domain eBGP). Technically nothing prevents us to use roles
> here, but in fact such use-cases almost everywhere imply granular routing
> policies at the AS borders, so the practical advantage of role-based
> policies here is potentially arguable. Don't get me wrong, I am not sayin=
g
> that it's useless, just it depends a lot on a context of a particular
> network.
>
> I think, the best way to deal with this is not to advise anything here,
> just make the role capability be configurable for any BGP session and let
> network operators decide themselves if they want to go further than
> "classic" cross-domain eBGP unicast inet/inet6. If this "flies" for the
> basic use case, people will definitely invent fancier ways to use roles a=
nd
> write separate drafts for them.
>
> --
> Pavel
>
> =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original =
Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:54 PM, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Alexander
>
> Thank you for responding as far as vendor implementation status and
> compatibility.
>
> I mentioned this off list to one of the other authors
> Sriram.
>
> One aspect of this role feature that is critical to Verizon is if this
> feature can be used with SAFI 128.
>
> Verizon as well as most other Tier 1 / 2 providers carry the internet
> table in a separate IP VPN VRF over an MPLS  or SR core and keep the glob=
al
> table clean of just operator IGP connected prefixes carrying topmost labe=
l
> FEC binding only and not cluttered with the internet BGP table.
>
> So this feature would need to support SAFI 128 for inter-as options or in
> SR case SR-TE binding sid policy.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Gyan
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:48 PM Alexander Azimov <a.e.azimov@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gyan,
>>
>> As it was discussed in the mailing list the two of three current
>> implementations are based on open source software: BIRD and FRR, they ar=
e
>> compatible. We haven't yet tested intercompatibility with Microtik. Ther=
e
>> were also plans at the openbgpd community, but as far as I know, now
>> results yet.
>>
>> From Yandex, we are planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for
>> Juniper. I know that DTAG has already made these requests for its vendor=
s.
>> If Verizon will also ask for this feature it may get more momentum.
>>
>> =D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mis=
hra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <
>>> kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Gyan,
>>>>
>>>> >I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for
>>>> publication.
>>>>
>>>> >I think the role capability for auto route leaking mitigation is very
>>>> >valuable for both service providers as well as very large enterprises=
.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> >This WGLC draft along with below route leak detection of well known
>>>> large
>>>> >BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak
>>>> mitigation.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitig=
ation-02
>>>>
>>>> Appreciate the comment. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the abov=
e
>>>> draft soon.
>>>>
>>>> >BGP Large Community
>>>> >https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092
>>>>
>>>> >Speaking from the looking glass  of a tier 1 provider Verizon we coul=
d
>>>> >definitely benefit from the role priority feature from the leak types
>>>> >described in RFC 7908.
>>>>
>>>> I think you meant '...definitely benefit from the role priority
>>>> feature [to protect] from the leak types described in RFC 7908'.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   Gyan> Yes that is what I meant
>>>
>>>  So the two implementations that were done and interoperability which
>>> were the vendors?
>>>
>>> Also if the beta code feature is available do you have any operators
>>> testing the code?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great to hear that.
>>>>
>>>> Sriram
>>>>
>>>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908
>>>>
>>>> >Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> >Gyan
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> <http://www.verizon.com/>
>>>
>>> *Gyan Mishra*
>>>
>>> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/13101+Columbia+Pike%C2%A0+Silver+Sp=
ring,+MD?entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg>*Silver
>>> Spring, MD
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/13101+Columbia+Pike%C2%A0+Silver+Sp=
ring,+MD?entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Alexander Azimov
>>
> --
>
> <http://www.verizon.com/>
>
> *Gyan Mishra*
>
> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>
>
>
> *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
>
>
>

--=20

<http://www.verizon.com/>

*Gyan Mishra*

*Network Solutions A**rchitect *



*M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Makes sense as this is the introduction of the feature whi=
ch can be built on with as you said many unlimited use cases which can be a=
ddressed in subsequent drafts.<div><br></div><div>Thank you</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Gyan</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 8:05 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Gyan,<br></div><div><br=
></div><div>Sorry for replying for the authors but it looks like there is a=
 misunderstanding here:<br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt;So this feature wo=
uld need to support SAFI 128 for inter-as options or in SR case SR-TE bindi=
ng sid policy.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br><=
/div><div>As I understood, the current draft already implies such support. =
All BGP sessions can have role capability announced and consequently nothin=
g prevents you to use roles for inter-as option C or any-other non unicast =
inet/inet6 eBGP sessions in accordance with the current edition.<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>However the draft says that it makes no assumption about=
 such use cases. E. g. the question if=C2=A0this is practically useful or n=
ot is out of scope of this document and should be answered by the network o=
perators individually.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And I think it is a goo=
d idea to keep it like this, as potentially you can have an unlimited numbe=
r of such use cases. Option C inter-as L3 VPN is only one of them but I can=
 easily imagine  eBGP EVPN type5 in the DC applications, inter-domain flows=
pec eBGP, iner-as service controllers with eBGP injectors and all sorts of =
other things where roles could be potentially useful.<br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>However if we  try to describe all such cases in a single document,=
 it&#39;s not going to be complete ever and the draft will become endless. =
So instead of trying to list them all in the same initial draft, it&#39;s p=
robably a better idea to let people write separate documents explaining how=
 such cases should work (probably new roles should be introduced for flowsp=
ec etc etc).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, as of my experience, it doe=
sn&#39;t look like in the today&#39;s world &quot;Internet over  multi-as V=
PN&quot; is a source of route leaks (in contrast to vanilla inter-domain eB=
GP). Technically nothing prevents us to use roles here, but in fact such us=
e-cases almost everywhere imply granular routing policies at the AS borders=
, so the practical advantage of role-based policies here is potentially arg=
uable. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I am not saying that it&#39;s useless, just =
it depends a lot on a context of a particular network.<br></div><div><br></=
div><div>I think, the best way to deal with this is not to advise anything =
here, just make the role capability be configurable for any BGP session and=
 let network operators decide themselves if they want to go further than &q=
uot;classic&quot; cross-domain eBGP unicast inet/inet6. If this &quot;flies=
&quot; for the basic use case, people will definitely invent fancier ways t=
o use roles and write separate drafts for them.<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>--<br></div><div>Pavel<br></div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=
=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=
=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90<br></div><div> On Wednesda=
y, June 17, 2020 11:54 PM, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><d=
iv> <br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Alexander=
<br></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thank you for=
 responding as far as vendor implementation status and compatibility.<br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I mentioned this off list=
 to one of the other authors=C2=A0<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Sriram.<br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">One aspect of this role f=
eature that is critical to Verizon is if this feature can be used with SAFI=
 128.=C2=A0<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Verizon =
as well as most other Tier 1 / 2 providers carry the internet table in a se=
parate IP VPN VRF over an MPLS =C2=A0or SR core and keep the global table c=
lean of just operator IGP connected prefixes carrying topmost label FEC bin=
ding only and not cluttered with the internet BGP table. =C2=A0<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So this feature would need to s=
upport SAFI 128 for inter-as options or in SR case SR-TE binding sid policy=
.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan<br></div><div>=
<div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jun 16, =
2020 at 4:48 PM Alexander Azimov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a.e.azimov@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">a.e.azimov@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Gyan,<br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><div>As it was discussed in the mailing list the t=
wo of three current implementations are based on open source software: BIRD=
 and FRR, they are compatible. We haven&#39;t yet tested intercompatibility=
 with Microtik. There were also plans at the openbgpd community, but as far=
 as I know, now results yet.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>From Yandex=
, we are planning to add Open Policy as a feature request for Juniper. I kn=
ow that DTAG has already made these requests for its vendors. If Verizon wi=
ll also ask for this feature it may get more momentum.<br></div></div></div=
><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">=D0=BF=D1=82, 1=
2 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:28, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;:<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM Sriram, Kotikala=
pudi (Fed) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov" target=3D"_b=
lank">kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Gyan,<br></div><div> <br></div><d=
iv> &gt;I support this draft and believe the specification is ready for pub=
lication.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt;I think the role capability fo=
r auto route leaking mitigation is very<br></div><div> &gt;valuable for bot=
h service providers as well as very large enterprises.<br></div><div> <br><=
/div><div> Thank you.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt;This WGLC draft al=
ong with below route leak detection of well known large<br></div><div> &gt;=
BGP communities can help tremendously in automating route leak mitigation.<=
br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detection-mitigation-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-detect=
ion-mitigation-02</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Appreciate the commen=
t. We plan to request a WGLC in GROW for the above draft soon. <br></div><d=
iv> <br></div><div> &gt;BGP Large Community<br></div><div> &gt;<a href=3D"h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8092</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt;Sp=
eaking from the looking glass=C2=A0 of a tier 1 provider Verizon we could<b=
r></div><div> &gt;definitely benefit from the role priority feature from th=
e leak types<br></div><div> &gt;described in RFC 7908.<br></div><div> <br><=
/div><div> I think you meant &#39;...definitely benefit from the role prior=
ity <br></div><div> feature [to protect] from the leak types described in R=
FC 7908&#39;.<br></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">=C2=A0 Gyan&gt; Yes that is what I meant<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0So the two implementations that were done=
 and interoperability which were the vendors?<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also if the beta code feature is available do you=
 have any operators testing the code?<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Great to hear that=
.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Sriram<br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt;=
 <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7908</a> <br></div><div> <br></d=
iv><div> &gt;Kind regards<br></div><div> <br></div><div> &gt;Gyan<br></div>=
</blockquote></div></div><div>-- <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
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eorgia,serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i>rchitect=C2=A0</i></span>=
</span></span><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:13px"><span style=
=3D"color:black"><span style=3D"font-size:1em"><i><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:georgia,serif">M 301 502-1347<br><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/maps/s=
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v></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br></div><div>Al=
exander Azimov<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div>-- <br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
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Hi Susan, list,

Based upon reading -11:

> 1) Is this specification ready for publication? 

Yes, I think this document is ready for publication.
 

> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable? 

I believe a vast majority of deployments will benefit from this simple
(i.e. elegant) but powerful extension, and therefore I fully support it.

 
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication? 

No opinion, I do not feel knowledgable/experienced enough to give a hard
yes/no here.


Small nit, Sec 6:
"The purpose of this attribute is to guarantee that once _a_ route"



 luuk


On Thu  4 Jun 2020, 17:19, Susan Hares wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt
> 
> >From 6/4 to 6/18/2020.  
> 
>  
> 
> There are 3 implementations:   BIRD (1.76, 2.05) , FRR, and Mikrotik. 
> 
> The BIRD and FRR implementations interoperate. 
> 
> I do not have details on Mikrotik.  
> 
>  
> 
> Details on the  interoperability are on the following IDR wiki page: 
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> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy
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>  
> 
> Only one  error handling issues exists on the ability of BIRD 
> 
> to send Role Mismatch (Open Error (2), subcode 8).  
> 
> Another protocol was assigned to subcode 8.  
> 
>  
> 
> Please comment on the following questions: 
> 
> 1) Is this specification ready for publication? 
> 
> 2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable? 
> 
> 3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication? 
> 
>  
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> The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.  
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> During the WG LC, the shepherd's report will be sent. 
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Hi Andrei,=0A=
=0A=
>I read the latest version (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11) and agree=0A=
>that is it ready for publication.=0A=
>=0A=
>The only suggestion I may make it to be even more explicit about how=0A=
>roles and OTC are supposed to be set or not when announcing routes=0A=
>internally (e.g. iBGP). I am referring to the issue that Pavel Lunin=0A=
>brought up. I think a sentence in the Introduction explaining the scope=0A=
>would help.=0A=
=0A=
Thank you for your comments. Per your suggestion, we (authors) can plan=0A=
to include the following text in the introduction:=0A=
=0A=
The new path attribute -- Only to Customer (OTC) -- is intended to be set o=
r utilized=0A=
at ingress/egress of eBGP connections. OTC is an optional transitive attrib=
ute=0A=
and once it has been set, it is subsequently carried unaltered in iBGP and =
eBGP. =0A=
=0A=
Sriram=0A=
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https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-wide-bgp-communities

Best Regards,
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Thank you, Sriram, this works for me.

Andrei

Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote on 18/06/2020 20:46:
> Hi Andrei,
>=20
>> I read the latest version (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11) and agre=
e
>> that is it ready for publication.
>>
>> The only suggestion I may make it to be even more explicit about how
>> roles and OTC are supposed to be set or not when announcing routes
>> internally (e.g. iBGP). I am referring to the issue that Pavel Lunin
>> brought up. I think a sentence in the Introduction explaining the scop=
e
>> would help.
>=20
> Thank you for your comments. Per your suggestion, we (authors) can plan=

> to include the following text in the introduction:
>=20
> The new path attribute -- Only to Customer (OTC) -- is intended to be s=
et or utilized
> at ingress/egress of eBGP connections. OTC is an optional transitive at=
tribute
> and once it has been set, it is subsequently carried unaltered in iBGP =
and eBGP.=20
>=20
> Sriram
> =20
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Authors

Few comments

In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting traffic.  When
reading the abstract and introduction adjusting traffic the first thing I
think of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy to rate limit BGP
traffic.

In general routing policy is pretty straight forward with active / backup
routing policy.

However when optimal active/ active all active routing optimization is
required where geographic region based routing is desired and if routing
control optimization is desired between both peering AS=E2=80=99s , the pol=
icy can
become very complex and unmanageable.  If routing control policy is on one
side only, the other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the policy
is complex but manageable.  However optimized routing so both sides of
peering does not back haul can be very complex.

There are many peering scenario and this one above  is a dual transit as
all active peering policy scenario.

The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2/1 and can be accomplished with
standard communities.

I would say auto adjustment of active routing paths routing where routing
control is required on both sides of peering to enable optimized paths

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:10 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Authors
>
> Tracker shows this draft in WGLC state?
>
> Is that correct?
> BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)
> draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05
>
>    - Status <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/>
>    - IESG evaluation record
>    - IESG writeups
>    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/writeup/>
>    - Email expansions
>    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/email/>
>    - History
>    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/history/>
>
>
>    - Versions
>    - 00 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/00/>
>    - 01 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/01/>
>    - 02 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/02/>
>    - 03 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/03/>
>    - 04 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/04/>
>    - 05 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/>
>
> 000102030405000102030405Jul 2015Jun 2016Oct 2018Mar 2019May
> 2020draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpddraft-ietf-idr-rpd
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> Last updated 2020-06-10 (latest revision 2020-06-09)
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> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd/>
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> Formats  plain text <https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt>
>  pdf <https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.pdf> htmlized
> (tools) <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05> htmlized
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05> bibtex
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/bibtex>
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> Exists
> Consensus Boilerplate Unknown
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:50 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>>
>>         Title           : BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution
>> (RPD)
>>         Authors         : Zhenbin Li
>>                           Liang Ou
>>                           Yujia Luo
>>                           Sujian Lu
>>                           Huaimo Chen
>>                           Shunwan Zhuang
>>                           Haibo Wang
>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt
>>         Pages           : 18
>>         Date            : 2020-06-09
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a
>>    traditional IP network from time to time through manual
>>    configurations.  It is desirable to have an automatic mechanism for
>>    setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize
>>    traffic paths automatically.  This document describes BGP Extensions
>>    for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this.
>>
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/
>>
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-rpd-05
>>
>>
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>> submission
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<div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Authors=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Few comments</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting traffic.=
=C2=A0 When reading the abstract and introduction adjusting traffic the fir=
st thing I think of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy to rate li=
mit BGP traffic.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">In gene=
ral routing policy is pretty straight forward with active / backup routing =
policy.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">However when opt=
imal active/ active all active routing optimization is required where geogr=
aphic region based routing is desired and if routing control optimization i=
s desired between both peering AS=E2=80=99s , the policy can become very co=
mplex and unmanageable.=C2=A0 If routing control policy is on one side only=
, the other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the policy is comple=
x but manageable.=C2=A0 However optimized routing so both sides of peering =
does not back haul can be very complex. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">There are many peering scenario and this one above =
=C2=A0is a dual transit as all active peering policy scenario.</div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2=
/1 and can be accomplished with standard communities.</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would say auto adjustment of active routing=
 paths routing where routing control is required on both sides of peering t=
o enable optimized paths=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Gyan</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:10 PM Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:hayabusagsm@gmail.com">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(2=
04,204,204)"><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Authors=C2=A0</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Tracker shows this draft in WGL=
C state?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Is that correct=
?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><h2 style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&qu=
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ox"><small style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:16.899999618530273px;li=
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r-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0.7em;padding-left:0px;list-style:none;b=
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s:4px;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(119,119,119)"><span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:70=
0;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif">Ver=
sions</span></a></li><li style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font=
-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif"><a href=
=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/00/" style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;text-decoration:none;float:left;padding:4px 8px;line-heigh=
t:1.42857143;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);font-family:&quot;PT Sans Ca=
ption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)" target=3D"_b=
lank">00</a></li><li style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-fam=
ily:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif"><a href=3D"ht=
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/01/" rel=3D"nofollow" sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;float:left;padding:4px 8px=
;line-height:1.42857143;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);font-family:&quot=
;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)" t=
arget=3D"_blank">01</a></li><li style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;display:inli=
ne;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif"><a=
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follow" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;float:left;padd=
ing:4px 8px;line-height:1.42857143;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);font-f=
amily:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;color:rgb(61=
,34,179)" target=3D"_blank">02</a></li><li style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;d=
isplay:inline;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,san=
s-serif"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/03/=
" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;floa=
t:left;padding:4px 8px;line-height:1.42857143;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,=
221);font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(61,34,179)" target=3D"_blank">03</a></li><li style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;display:inline;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,=
Seravek,sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-=
idr-rpd/04/" rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoratio=
n:none;float:left;padding:4px 8px;line-height:1.42857143;border:1px solid r=
gb(221,221,221);font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,s=
ans-serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)" target=3D"_blank">04</a></li><li style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-family:&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;=
,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
draft-ietf-idr-rpd/" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;fl=
oat:left;padding:4px 8px;line-height:1.42857143;border:1px solid rgb(44,37,=
74);border-top-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;font-family:=
&quot;PT Sans Caption&quot;,Trebuchet,Seravek,sans-serif;background-color:r=
gb(84,71,142);color:rgb(255,255,255)" target=3D"_blank">05</a></li></ul><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot=
;,serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span><div id=3D"m_52717411509=
26482225timeline" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:small;font-famil=
y:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(34,3=
4,34)" dir=3D"auto"><a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&=
quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>00<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&q=
uot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>01<a style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>02<a style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"=
></a>03<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swi=
ft&quot;,serif"></a>04<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino=
,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>05<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif=
&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>00<a style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>01<a style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"=
></a>02<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swi=
ft&quot;,serif"></a>03<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino=
,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>04<a style=3D"font-family:&quot;PT Serif=
&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></a>05Jul 2015Jun 2016Oct 201=
8Mar 2019May 2020draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpddraft-ietf-idr-rpd</div><table st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-spacing:0px;border-collapse:collapse;wi=
dth:354px;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:21px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot=
;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;font-size:15px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"=
><thead id=3D"m_5271741150926482225message-row" style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"=
><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palati=
no,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th colspan=3D"4" style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box;padding:0.2em 0.5em;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:bottom;bor=
der-top-width:0px;border-bottom-width:2px;border-bottom-style:solid;font-fa=
mily:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;border-bott=
om-color:rgb(221,221,221)"></th></tr></thead><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,se=
rif"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pa=
latino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;wid=
th:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,ser=
if">Document</th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;text-align:=
right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:=
9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"=
>Type</th><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.4285=
7143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT=
 Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;bord=
er-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift=
&quot;,serif">Active Internet-Draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.or=
g/wg/idr/" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;font-family:=
&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(61,34,=
179)" target=3D"_blank">idr WG</a>)</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border=
-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif=
"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;ver=
tical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&q=
uot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align=
:top;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palati=
no,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Last updated</th><td style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-=
width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Sw=
ift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-h=
eight:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;=
PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">2020-06-10 (latest re=
vision 2020-06-09)</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:=
&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;b=
order-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&qu=
ot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:=
3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-w=
idth:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swi=
ft&quot;,serif">Replaces</th><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px=
;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;f=
ont-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td=
><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vert=
ical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palati=
no,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-li-idr-flowspec-rpd/" title=3D"" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;tex=
t-decoration:none;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swif=
t&quot;,serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)" target=3D"_blank">draft-li-idr-flowspec=
-rpd</a></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT S=
erif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-=
width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Sw=
ift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;text-a=
lign:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;w=
idth:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,s=
erif">Stream</th><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height=
:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&=
quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align=
:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;N=
eue Swift&quot;,serif">IETF</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;fon=
t-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-al=
ign:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pal=
atino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;bor=
der-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot=
;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Intended RFC status</th><td style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-w=
idth:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swi=
ft&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-he=
ight:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;P=
T Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">(None)</td></tr><tr st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quo=
t;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;li=
ne-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font=
-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><t=
h style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1=
.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&qu=
ot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Formats</th><td st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-al=
ign:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pal=
atino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px=
;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><a=
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zing:border-box;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;padding:1px 5px;m=
argin-bottom:0px;font-size:12.61px;line-height:1.5;text-align:center;white-=
space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;background-image:linear-gradient(rgb(255=
,255,255) 0px,rgb(224,224,224) 100%);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);bord=
er-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radi=
us:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palat=
ino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-repeat:repe=
at no-repeat" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;displa=
y:inline-block;font-stretch:normal;line-height:1;font-family:FontAwesome;fo=
nt-size:inherit"></span>=C2=A0plain text</a><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/pdf/draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.pdf" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text-decor=
ation:none;display:inline-block;padding:1px 5px;margin-bottom:0px;font-size=
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n:middle;background-image:linear-gradient(rgb(255,255,255) 0px,rgb(224,224,=
224) 100%);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-top-left-radius:3px;bor=
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dding:1px 5px;margin-bottom:0px;font-size:12.61px;line-height:1.5;text-alig=
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55,255,255) 0px,rgb(224,224,224) 100%);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);bo=
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dius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pal=
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font-size:inherit"></span>=C2=A0htmlized</a><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/bibtex" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;text=
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t-size:12.61px;line-height:1.5;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;vertica=
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4,224,224) 100%);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-top-left-radius:3=
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pan>=C2=A0bibtex</a></td></tr></tbody><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;border-top-width:2px;border-top-style:solid;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quo=
t;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;border-top-color:rgb(221,221,221)"=
><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palati=
no,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding=
:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6=
em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">=
Stream</th><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;=
line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;fo=
nt-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><a hr=
ef=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/help/state/draft/ietf" style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;text-decoration:none;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatin=
o,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif;color:rgb(61,34,179)" target=3D"_blank">WG s=
tate</a></th><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.4=
2857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot=
;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;b=
order-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Sw=
ift&quot;,serif">In WG Last Call</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><=
th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertic=
al-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot=
;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"></th><th style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:3px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:to=
p;border-top-width:0px;width:9em;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,=
&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">Document shepherd</th><td style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-to=
p-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue =
Swift&quot;,serif"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line=
-height:1.42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quo=
t;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif">No shepherd assigne=
d</td></tr></tbody><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-top-width:2=
px;border-top-style:solid;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;N=
eue Swift&quot;,serif;border-top-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><tr style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift=
&quot;,serif"><th style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.=
42857143;vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;width:6em;font-family:&quo=
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tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:3px;line-height:1.42857143;vertical-a=
lign:top;border-top-width:0px;width:1px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pa=
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vertical-align:top;border-top-width:0px;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Pa=
latino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,serif"><span title=3D"" style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;font-family:&quot;PT Serif&quot;,Palatino,&quot;Neue Swift&quot;,=
serif">Unknown</span></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:50 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-dr=
afts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 BGP Extensions for Routing Policy Distribution (RPD)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Zhen=
bin Li<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Liang Ou<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yujia Luo<br>
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=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sujian Lu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huaimo Chen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Shunwan Zhuang<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Haibo Wang<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-idr-rpd-05.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 18<br>
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 2020-06-09<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is hard to adjust traffic and optimize traffic paths on a<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traditional IP network from time to time through manual<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0configurations.=C2=A0 It is desirable to have an automatic mec=
hanism for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0setting up routing policies, which adjust traffic and optimize=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic paths automatically.=C2=A0 This document describes BGP=
 Extensions<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for Routing Policy Distribution (BGP RPD) to support this.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-=
rpd/</a><br>
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There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
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a><br>
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=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra=
ft-ietf-idr-rpd-05</a><br>
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=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft=
-ietf-idr-rpd-05</a><br>
<br>
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Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n<br>
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Greetings:

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Since this draft was revised on 6/16, this WG LC is extended until 2 =
weeks after that date (6/30/2020). =20

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In the meantime, we=E2=80=99ll be busy finishing the details that go =
with submission:=20

=C2=B7         I=E2=80=99ve asked the authors to check with the =
implementers to verify that this does change the implementation report,  =
and=20

=C2=B7         I=E2=80=99ll finalize my shepherd=E2=80=99s report.=20

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The first step of the shepherd report is to provide a summary to the IDR =
WG on this WG LC. =20

=20

This summary will be sent in a separate message you can reply to that =
summary specifically.=20

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Sue Hares=20

=20

=20

From: Alexander Azimov [mailto:a.e.azimov@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:00 PM
To: Gyan Mishra
Cc: Pavel Lunin; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18)(.

=20

Dear colleagues,

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In the last days, I have accumulated comments that were received both =
on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who contributed to the =
improved quality of the document. Accompanied by minor changes there are =
two important edits that I'd like to highlight:

*	We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: 'BGP Roles =
SHOULD be configured on each eBGP session between ISPs that carry IPv4 =
and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is also an explicit =
statement that the applicability of Roles for other address families is =
out of scope of this document.
*	The registry for Roles now has three parts: Expert Review (0-127), =
First Come First Served (128-251), and Experimental Use (252-255). The =
statement is added that guarantees that newly defined roles will not =
pair with Roles defined in the draft.

Since these changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and =
needed in the implementations.

The new version of the draft is available: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11

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=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:47, Gyan =
Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:

Hi Susan

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I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. =20

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I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having =
internet table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP =
backbone, global table over mpls, IP VPN.  In the IP VPN case their are =
providers that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes =
with only connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet =
table carried in a dedicated internet VRF.  In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.  Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used over =
internet and public internet and private is carried over the same MPLS =
transport.

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Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe =
important to mention as may impact the use of role feature.

=20

The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large =
enterprises as well.=20

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Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case =
so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.

=20

That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be =
Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP =
reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.  =
This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =
=E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.

=20

Kind Regards=20

=20

Gyan

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:

Hi Susan,

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1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.=20

=20

A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more =
generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP =
sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.

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However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if =
authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term =
"BGP" is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of =
only one occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to =
set the roles on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look =
evident that the general context is inter-domain routing, so the =
document covers eBGP. However the potential audience of this document is =
very broad, including people not very experienced in BGP operational =
practices (this is were route leaks often come from) so I would suggest =
to make this point more explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word =
'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph =
is needed to make this point clearer.

=20

> By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward =
compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.

Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or =
almost all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not =
totally correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and =
role-based policies.

=20

This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice =
recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the =
document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if =
needed.

=20

2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use =
cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.

=20

=20

Kind regards,

Pavel

=20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:

1) Is this specification ready for publication?

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?

=20

The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20

During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.

=20

Cheers,

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Greetings:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Since this draft was revised on 6/16, this WG LC is extended until 2 =
weeks after that date (6/30/2020).=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In the meantime, we=E2=80=99ll be busy finishing the details that go =
with submission: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99ve asked the authors to check with the implementers to =
verify that this does change the implementation report, =C2=A0and =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99ll finalize my shepherd=E2=80=99s report. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The first step of the shepherd report is to provide a summary to the =
IDR WG on this WG LC.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This summary will be sent in a separate message you can reply to that =
summary specifically. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Alexander Azimov [mailto:a.e.azimov@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
June 16, 2020 4:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gyan Mishra<br><b>Cc:</b> Pavel =
Lunin; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to =
6/18)(.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In the last days, I have accumulated comments that =
were received both on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who =
contributed to the improved quality of the document. Accompanied by =
minor changes there are two important edits that I'd like to =
highlight:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'>We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: =
'BGP Roles SHOULD be configured on&nbsp;each eBGP session between ISPs =
that carry IPv4 and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is =
also an explicit statement that the applicability of Roles for other =
address families&nbsp;is out of scope of this =
document.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'>The registry for Roles now has three parts:&nbsp;Expert =
Review (0-127),&nbsp;First Come First Served (128-251), =
and&nbsp;Experimental Use (252-255). The statement&nbsp;is added that =
guarantees that newly defined roles will not pair with Roles defined in =
the draft.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Since these =
changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and needed in the =
implementations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The new =
version of the draft is available:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11">ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11</a><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =
=D0=B2 20:47, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blo=
ckquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Susan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having internet =
table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global =
table over mpls, IP VPN.&nbsp; In the IP VPN case their are providers =
that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes with only =
connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table =
carried in a dedicated internet VRF.&nbsp; In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.&nbsp; Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used =
over internet and public internet and private is carried over the same =
MPLS transport.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Those permutations of the operators network inter-as =
types maybe important to mention as may impact the use of role =
feature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The main use case is for internet providers but could =
be used for large enterprises as well.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Once vendors implement the feature any operator can =
use for any use case so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep =
disabled by Default.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That being said we would not want the role priority =
feature to be Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP =
from a MP reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by =
Default.&nbsp; This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to =
enable on their =E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties =
only.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind Regards&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gyan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net" =
target=3D"_blank">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Susan,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) I support the advancement of this draft to =
publication. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford model&quot; and =
more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to =
eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>However from the operational point of view it's =
somewhat unclear if authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. =
The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used everywhere throughout the =
document (with an exception of only one occurrence), so it might seem =
that the document recommends to set the roles on all iBGP sessions as =
well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general context is =
inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the potential =
audience of this document is very broad, including people not very =
experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often =
come from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably =
some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just =
a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point =
clearer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false =
for backward compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support =
this mechanism.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Same here. =
&quot;Backward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost =
all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally =
correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based =
policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This being said, this nuance only affects operational =
practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by =
the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with =
roles if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for =
almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet =
routes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pavel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Please comment on =
the following questions:<o:p></o:p></p><p>1) Is this specification ready =
for publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>2) Are there deployments where this =
BGP protocol extension is valuable?<o:p></o:p></p><p>3) Do you believe =
the error code handling is ready for =
publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>The shepherd for =
this draft is Susan Hares.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>During the WG LC, the =
shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be =
sent.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Idr =
mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.org" =
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></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><span =
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Re-posting with the correct header (this aids IESG processing later).=20

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Sue

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:25 PM
To: 'idr@ietf. org'
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18) - Extended until

=20

Greetings:

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Since this draft was revised on 6/16, this WG LC is extended until 2 =
weeks after that date (6/30/2020). =20

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In the meantime, we=E2=80=99ll be busy finishing the details that go =
with submission:=20

=C2=B7         I=E2=80=99ve asked the authors to check with the =
implementers to verify that this does change the implementation report,  =
and=20

=C2=B7         I=E2=80=99ll finalize my shepherd=E2=80=99s report.=20

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The first step of the shepherd report is to provide a summary to the IDR =
WG on this WG LC. =20

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This summary will be sent in a separate message you can reply to that =
summary specifically.=20

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Sue Hares=20

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From: Alexander Azimov [mailto:a.e.azimov@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:00 PM
To: Gyan Mishra
Cc: Pavel Lunin; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18)(.

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Dear colleagues,

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In the last days, I have accumulated comments that were received both =
on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who contributed to the =
improved quality of the document. Accompanied by minor changes there are =
two important edits that I'd like to highlight:

*	We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: 'BGP Roles =
SHOULD be configured on each eBGP session between ISPs that carry IPv4 =
and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is also an explicit =
statement that the applicability of Roles for other address families is =
out of scope of this document.
*	The registry for Roles now has three parts: Expert Review (0-127), =
First Come First Served (128-251), and Experimental Use (252-255). The =
statement is added that guarantees that newly defined roles will not =
pair with Roles defined in the draft.

Since these changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and =
needed in the implementations.

The new version of the draft is available: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11

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=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:47, Gyan =
Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:

Hi Susan

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I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. =20

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I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having =
internet table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP =
backbone, global table over mpls, IP VPN.  In the IP VPN case their are =
providers that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes =
with only connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet =
table carried in a dedicated internet VRF.  In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.  Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used over =
internet and public internet and private is carried over the same MPLS =
transport.

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Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe =
important to mention as may impact the use of role feature.

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The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large =
enterprises as well.=20

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Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case =
so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.

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That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be =
Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP =
reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.  =
This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =
=E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.

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Kind Regards=20

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Gyan

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:

Hi Susan,

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1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.=20

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A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more =
generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP =
sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.

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However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if =
authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term =
"BGP" is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of =
only one occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to =
set the roles on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look =
evident that the general context is inter-domain routing, so the =
document covers eBGP. However the potential audience of this document is =
very broad, including people not very experienced in BGP operational =
practices (this is were route leaks often come from) so I would suggest =
to make this point more explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word =
'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph =
is needed to make this point clearer.

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> By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward =
compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.

Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or =
almost all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not =
totally correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and =
role-based policies.

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This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice =
recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the =
document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if =
needed.

=20

2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use =
cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.

=20

=20

Kind regards,

Pavel

=20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:

1) Is this specification ready for publication?

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?

=20

The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20

During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.

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Cheers,

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Re-posting with the correct header (this aids IESG processing later). =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan =
Hares<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'idr@ietf. org'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to 6/18) - Extended =
until<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Greetings:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Since this draft was revised on 6/16, this WG LC is extended until 2 =
weeks after that date (6/30/2020).&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In the meantime, we=E2=80=99ll be busy finishing the details that go =
with submission: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99ve asked the authors to check with the implementers to =
verify that this does change the implementation report, &nbsp;and =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99ll finalize my shepherd=E2=80=99s report. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The first step of the shepherd report is to provide a summary to the =
IDR WG on this WG LC.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This summary will be sent in a separate message you can reply to that =
summary specifically. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue Hares <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Alexander Azimov [mailto:a.e.azimov@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
June 16, 2020 4:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gyan Mishra<br><b>Cc:</b> Pavel =
Lunin; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC for =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to =
6/18)(.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In the last days, I have accumulated comments that =
were received both on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who =
contributed to the improved quality of the document. Accompanied by =
minor changes there are two important edits that I'd like to =
highlight:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo5'>We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: =
'BGP Roles SHOULD be configured on&nbsp;each eBGP session between ISPs =
that carry IPv4 and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is =
also an explicit statement that the applicability of Roles for other =
address families&nbsp;is out of scope of this =
document.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo5'>The registry for Roles now has three parts:&nbsp;Expert =
Review (0-127),&nbsp;First Come First Served (128-251), =
and&nbsp;Experimental Use (252-255). The statement&nbsp;is added that =
guarantees that newly defined roles will not pair with Roles defined in =
the draft.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Since these =
changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and needed in the =
implementations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The new =
version of the draft is available:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11">ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11</a><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =
=D0=B2 20:47, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blo=
ckquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Susan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having internet =
table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global =
table over mpls, IP VPN.&nbsp; In the IP VPN case their are providers =
that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes with only =
connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table =
carried in a dedicated internet VRF.&nbsp; In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.&nbsp; Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used =
over internet and public internet and private is carried over the same =
MPLS transport.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Those permutations of the operators network inter-as =
types maybe important to mention as may impact the use of role =
feature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The main use case is for internet providers but could =
be used for large enterprises as well.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Once vendors implement the feature any operator can =
use for any use case so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep =
disabled by Default.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That being said we would not want the role priority =
feature to be Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP =
from a MP reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by =
Default.&nbsp; This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to =
enable on their =E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties =
only.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind Regards&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gyan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net" =
target=3D"_blank">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Susan,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) I support the advancement of this draft to =
publication. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford model&quot; and =
more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to =
eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>However from the operational point of view it's =
somewhat unclear if authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. =
The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used everywhere throughout the =
document (with an exception of only one occurrence), so it might seem =
that the document recommends to set the roles on all iBGP sessions as =
well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general context is =
inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the potential =
audience of this document is very broad, including people not very =
experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often =
come from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably =
some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just =
a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point =
clearer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false =
for backward compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support =
this mechanism.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Same here. =
&quot;Backward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost =
all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally =
correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based =
policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This being said, this nuance only affects operational =
practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by =
the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with =
roles if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for =
almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet =
routes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pavel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Please comment on =
the following questions:<o:p></o:p></p><p>1) Is this specification ready =
for publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>2) Are there deployments where this =
BGP protocol extension is valuable?<o:p></o:p></p><p>3) Do you believe =
the error code handling is ready for =
publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>The shepherd for =
this draft is Susan Hares.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>During the WG LC, the =
shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be =
sent.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Idr =
mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">Idr@ietf.org</a><br><a =
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></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
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style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.75pt'><b>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Gyan =
Mishra</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.75pt'><i>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black'>Network =
Solutions Architect&nbsp;</span></i><span =
style=3D'color:#222222'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-line-height-alt:9.75pt'><i>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black'>M 301 =
502-1347<br>13101 Columbia Pike&nbsp;<br></span></i><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Silver Spring, =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Idr =
mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Idr@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">Idr@ietf.org</a><br><a =
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></p></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Best =
regards,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Alexander =
Azimov<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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Forwarding IPR statement from Clarence Filsfils

Sue 

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Subject: Re: [Idr] FW: WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-06

John,

I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this draft.

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Forwarding older IPR statement to list.   For ease of IESG review.=20

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Sue=20

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pradosh Mohapatra
Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:38 PM
To: Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil); David Smith (djsmith); ju1738@att.com; =
John G. Scudder; idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid@ietf.org; =
Juan Alcaide (jalcaide)
Subject: Re: [Idr] FW: WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid-06

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+1. I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

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- Pradosh

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On Friday, April 27, 2018, 10:29:23 AM PDT, Juan Alcaide (jalcaide) =
<jalcaide@cisco.com> wrote:=20

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 I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this draft.

-J

On 4/27/2018 6:42 PM, Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) wrote:

John,=20

I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this draft.=20

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David, Jim, Clarence, Juan, and Pradosh: 

 

I've posted the implementation report (from David Smith's document) at

 

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-oid%20implem
entations

 

I've completed the shepherd report and the only things left are three
editorial issues: 

 

Editorial errors: 

#1) page 5, section 4.1 

Old /a. one of the following conditions MUST hold true:" 

New /b. one of the following conditions MUST hold true:" 

 

(same paragraph) 

Old:/(this is the unicast route/

New: (This is the unicast route/

 

#2)  Fix the NITS warnings.

 

I look forward to -12.txt with these fixed.  I'd request publication at that
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Jim, Clarence, Juan, and Pradosh: <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;ve =
posted the implementation report (from David Smith&#8217;s document) =
at<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-o=
id%20implementations">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-=
bgp-flowspec-oid%20implementations</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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editorial issues: <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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errors: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>#1) page 5, section 4.1 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Old /a. one of the following =
conditions MUST hold true:&quot; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>New =
/b. one of the following conditions MUST hold true:&quot; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>(same paragraph) <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Old:/(this is the unicast route/<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>New: (This is the unicast route/<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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&nbsp;Fix the NITS warnings.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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forward to -12.txt with these fixed.&nbsp; I&#8217;d request publication =
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This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-15.txt 

 

You can obtain the draft at: 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn/

 

There is IPR filing on this draft which can be found at: 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4142/

 

This draft does not have 2 implementation so it will be held for 2
implementations. 

 

In reviewing the draft please consider: 

 

1) Should this functionality be included in RFC5575bis, 

or should it wait for Flow Specification v2? 

 

2) Do you think this technology is need by BGP deployments? 

 

3) Do you think this draft technology is ready for implementation? 

 

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I am not aware any IPR other than the one disclosed.

Best Regards,
Huaimo
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Greetings:



This is an IPR call for all authors of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/<https://nam11.safelink=
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This draft has 2 implementations from Huawei:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/<https://nam11.safelink=
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You can review the implementation status by going to:

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The WG LC will begin as soon as all authors send their IPR statement to the=
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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for: 

draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt 

 

You can download the draft at: 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/

 

This document updates several BGP Extended Community registries in

   order to replace the "Experimental Use" registration procedure in

   some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and thus

   misleading.

 

This draft should be consider as part of the group of drafts that are trying
to clarify and speed up the registry process. 

 

Christoph  you should send an IPR statement regarding this draft to the IDR
WG.   Since you normally prompt with your email, I am running the IPR call
and WG Adoption call in parallel. 

 

The other drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are: 

 

1)
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-chang
e/> draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09 

      John Scudder: in RFC editor's queue

2) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/ 

     Adrian Farrell: In Shepherd's queue, top of list. 

 

These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP LS
registry process.    This draft provides a set-up clean-up instructions for
the Extended Communities registries. 

 

Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us
streamline the process.  If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP
registries, you are welcome to include the information on this thread. 

 

Thank you, Sue

 


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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The other =
drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are: <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1) <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-regi=
stry-change/"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:=
none'>draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09</span></a> =
<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;John Scudder: in =
RFC editor&#8217;s queue<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2) <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/"=
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/</a> =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Adrian =
Farrell: In Shepherd&#8217;s queue, top of list. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>These two =
drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP LS registry =
process.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;This draft provides a set-up clean-up =
instructions for the Extended Communities registries. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please =
consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us streamline =
the process. &nbsp;If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP =
registries, you are welcome to include the information on this thread. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you, Sue<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Please let me know if I missed any WG adoption, WG LC, or allocation
request.=20

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Approved for RFC:=20

1) draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-18

2) draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-25

3) draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09.txt=20

--------------

AD review =96 authors need to respond=20

1)  <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/>
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-15.txt =96

         Status: authors working on AD=92s comments =20

           John Scudder =E0 author (due to editing process)=20

           Sue Hares =E0 shepherd=20

=20

2) draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-06.txt

     Status: Waiting for AD review=20

------

Almost ready for IESG publication:=20

1) draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-11.txt=20

    Shepherd: Jie Dong

    Status: Only waiting for editorial nits resolution in -12.=20

=20

2) draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-oid-11.txt=20

   Shepherd: Susan Hares=20

   Status: Only waiting for editorial nits resolution

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Next in the Shepherd=92s queue:=20

1)  draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-txt-01=20

    ETA:  6/30/2020

=20

2) draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-12 =20

[2 cisco implementations]=20

   ETA: 6/30/2020=20

=20

3) draft-ietf-ext-opt-param implementations=20

    ETA: 7/1/2020=20

    I need implementation people to contact me off list.=20

    The implementation report needs to additional input.=20

=20

WG LCs:=20

--------------

1) draft-ietf-idr-open-policy-11.txt=20

    Status: 2 implementations

     WG LC call extended:  6/4 to 6/30:=20

     Why:  original last call for -10.txt, Giving people time to review =
-11=20

     Next Steps:  Summary of Discussion + Shepherd report sent to list=20

   =20

=20

2) draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn

    Status: No implementations=20

     WG LC: 6/24 to 7/8=20

     Question: Should this functionality be in RFC5575bis=20

     Or a flow specification v2.=20

=20

3) draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt=20

     Status: 2 implementation=20

=20
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rpd%20implementations

     IPR call: 6/24 to  7/1

     WG LC: 7/1 to 7/15

-----------

WG Adoption completed=20

    1) draft-li-idr-sr-policy-path-mtu =96 was adopted=20

    2) draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec =96 not adopted=20

         draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-transport-mode =96 not adopted

      Note: IP-Sec tunnel type is not supported by

=20
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/>
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-15.txt.=20

                 The support of IP-SEC tunnels is a continuing issue for
IDR.=20

=20

WG Adoption calls:=20

draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-udpate-00.txt (6/24 to 7/8)=20

=20

Upcoming WG LC in July=20

1) Wide communities

2) draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo=20

3) draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext-02.txt

4) draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr-02.txt

5) draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions-02.txt=20

=20

=20

Early Allocation Requests =96 none in process.=20

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style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
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I missed any WG adoption, WG LC, or allocation request. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>---------<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Approved for RFC: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>1) =
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd-18<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>2) =
draft-ietf-rfc5575bis-25<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>3) =
draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09.txt =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>AD =
review &#8211; authors need to respond <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>1) </span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps/"><=
span =
style=3D'color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:none'>draft-ietf-=
idr</span></a>-tunnel-encaps-15.txt &#8211;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:none'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Status</span></span>: authors =
working on AD&#8217;s comments &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decoration:none'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;John Scudder =
</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>=E0</span> author =
(due to editing process) <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;Sue Hares <span style=3D'font-family:Wingdings'>=E0</span> =
shepherd <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;text-decoration:none'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>2) =
draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-06.txt</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Status: Waiting for AD review <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>------<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Almost ready for IESG =
publication: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>1) =
draft-ietf-idr-flow-spec-v6-11.txt <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;Shepherd: Jie Dong<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Status: Only waiting for editorial nits resolution in -12. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>2) =
draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-oid-11.txt <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Shep=
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style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Stat=
us: Only waiting for editorial nits resolution<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Next in the =
Shepherd&#8217;s queue: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>1) =
&nbsp;draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-txt-01 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>2) =
draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-12 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>[2 cisco =
implementations] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ETA:=
 6/30/2020 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>3) =
draft-ietf-ext-opt-param implementations <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ETA: 7/1/2020 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I need =
implementation people to contact me off list. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The implementation report =
needs to additional input. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>WG LCs: =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>--------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) draft-ietf-idr-open-policy-11.txt <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Status: 2 =
implementations<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;WG LC call extended:&nbsp; 6/4 to 6/30: <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Why:&nbsp; original last =
call for -10.txt, Giving people time to review -11 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Next Steps:&nbsp; =
Summary of Discussion + Shepherd report sent to list <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2) =
draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Status: No implementations =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WG LC: =
6/24 to 7/8 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Question: Should this =
functionality be in RFC5575bis <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Or a flow specification =
v2. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>3) draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Status: 2 implementation =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rpd%20implemen=
tations">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rpd%20impleme=
ntations</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
IPR call: 6/24 to&nbsp; 7/1<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; WG LC: 7/1 to =
7/15<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>-----------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN'>WG Adoption completed <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1) draft-li-idr-sr-policy-path-mtu &#8211; was =
adopted <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp=
; &nbsp; 2) draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec &#8211; not adopted =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;background:white;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipse=
c-transport-mode &#8211; not adopted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Note: IP-Sec tunnel type is not supported =
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On June 22, 2020 at 4:53:57 PM, The IESG (iesg-secretary@ietf.org) wrote:


The IESG has received a request from the Path Computation Element WG (pce)
to
consider the following document: - 'PCEP Extension for Flow Specification'
<draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-09.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


The Path Computation Element (PCE) is a functional component capable
of selecting paths through a traffic engineering network. These
paths may be supplied in response to requests for computation, or may
be unsolicited instructions issued by the PCE to network elements.
Both approaches use the PCE Communication Protocol (PCEP) to convey
the details of the computed path.

Traffic flows may be categorized and described using "Flow
Specifications". RFC XXXX defines the Flow Specification and
describes how Flow Specification Components are used to describe
traffic flows. RFC XXXX also defines how Flow Specifications may be
distributed in BGP to allow specific traffic flows to be associated
with routes.

This document specifies a set of extensions to PCEP to support
dissemination of Flow Specifications. This allows a PCE to indicate
what traffic should be placed on each path that it is aware of.

RFC Editor Note: Please replace XXXX in the Abstract with the RFC
number assigned to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis when it is published.
Please remove this note.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec/


The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

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<br>The IESG has received a request from the Path Computation Element WG (p=
ce) to
<br>consider the following document: - &#39;PCEP Extension for Flow Specifi=
cation&#39;
<br>  &lt;draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-09.txt&gt; as Proposed Standard
<br>
<br>The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits f=
inal
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<br>Abstract
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<br>
<br>   The Path Computation Element (PCE) is a functional component capable
<br>   of selecting paths through a traffic engineering network.  These
<br>   paths may be supplied in response to requests for computation, or ma=
y
<br>   be unsolicited instructions issued by the PCE to network elements.
<br>   Both approaches use the PCE Communication Protocol (PCEP) to convey
<br>   the details of the computed path.
<br>
<br>   Traffic flows may be categorized and described using &quot;Flow
<br>   Specifications&quot;.  RFC XXXX defines the Flow Specification and
<br>   describes how Flow Specification Components are used to describe
<br>   traffic flows.  RFC XXXX also defines how Flow Specifications may be
<br>   distributed in BGP to allow specific traffic flows to be associated
<br>   with routes.
<br>
<br>   This document specifies a set of extensions to PCEP to support
<br>   dissemination of Flow Specifications.  This allows a PCE to indicate
<br>   what traffic should be placed on each path that it is aware of.
<br>
<br>   RFC Editor Note: Please replace XXXX in the Abstract with the RFC
<br>   number assigned to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis when it is published.
<br>   Please remove this note.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>The file can be obtained via
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c/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec/</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:
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Hi!

Ok, that=E2=80=99s fine.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On June 26, 2020 at 10:47:20 AM, John Scudder (jgs@juniper.net) wrote:

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
> 934 3.7. Prefix-SID Sub-TLV
...
> 947 The Prefix-SID sub-TLV can occur in a TLV identifying any type of
> 948 tunnel. If an Originator SRGB is specified in the sub-TLV, that SRGB
> 949 MUST be interpreted to be the SRGB used by the tunnel's egress
> 950 endpoint. The Label-Index, if present, is the Segment Routing SID
> 951 that the tunnel's egress endpoint uses to represent the prefix
> 952 appearing in the NLRI field of the BGP UPDATE to which the Tunnel
> 953 Encapsulation attribute is attached.
>
> [major] Except for the first sentence, this paragraph says the same
> thing as rfc8669. Please don't re-specify the behavior here (unless
> it changes, of course); instead, point at the source.

The quoted paragraph talks about how the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV is to be
interpreted, in relation to terms defined in RFC 8669. RFC 8669 is =E2=80=
=94 of
course =E2=80=94 the authority regarding what those things mean, but tunnel=
-encaps
has to tell the implementor how to map the fields in the sub-TLV into the
constructs defined in 8669. It may seem obvious that the fields relate to
=E2=80=9Cthe tunnel=E2=80=99s egress endpoint=E2=80=9D but it still seem be=
tter to say so than to
leave it up to the creativity of the implementor. So, I don=E2=80=99t think
tunnel-encaps is re-specifying at all. We=E2=80=99ve let the paragraph stan=
d as
written.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94John

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</head><body style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
tica,Arial;font-size:13px">Hi!</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Ari=
al;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font=
-size:13px">Ok, that=E2=80=99s fine.</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Aria=
l;font-size:13px">Thanks!</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;fo=
nt-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size=
:13px">Alvaro.</div> <br><p class=3D"airmail_on">On June 26, 2020 at 10:47:=
20 AM, John Scudder (<a href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>=
) wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq"><span><div><div><=
/div><div>&gt; On Feb 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Alvaro Retana &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com">aretana.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>...
<br>&gt; 934	3.7.  Prefix-SID Sub-TLV
<br>...
<br>&gt; 947	   The Prefix-SID sub-TLV can occur in a TLV identifying any t=
ype of
<br>&gt; 948	   tunnel.  If an Originator SRGB is specified in the sub-TLV,=
 that SRGB
<br>&gt; 949	   MUST be interpreted to be the SRGB used by the tunnel&#39;s=
 egress
<br>&gt; 950	   endpoint.  The Label-Index, if present, is the Segment Rout=
ing SID
<br>&gt; 951	   that the tunnel&#39;s egress endpoint uses to represent the=
 prefix
<br>&gt; 952	   appearing in the NLRI field of the BGP UPDATE to which the =
Tunnel
<br>&gt; 953	   Encapsulation attribute is attached.
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; [major] Except for the first sentence, this paragraph says the sam=
e
<br>&gt; thing as rfc8669.  Please don&#39;t re-specify the behavior here (=
unless
<br>&gt; it changes, of course); instead, point at the source.
<br>
<br>The quoted paragraph talks about how the Prefix-SID Sub-TLV is to be in=
terpreted, in relation to terms defined in RFC 8669. RFC 8669 is =E2=80=94 =
of course =E2=80=94 the authority regarding what those things mean, but tun=
nel-encaps has to tell the implementor how to map the fields in the sub-TLV=
 into the constructs defined in 8669. It may seem obvious that the fields r=
elate to =E2=80=9Cthe tunnel=E2=80=99s egress endpoint=E2=80=9D but it stil=
l seem better to say so than to leave it up to the creativity of the implem=
entor. So, I don=E2=80=99t think tunnel-encaps is re-specifying at all. We=
=E2=80=99ve let the paragraph stand as written.
<br>
<br>Thanks,
<br>
<br>=E2=80=94John</div></div></span></blockquote> <div class=3D"gmail_signa=
ture"></div></body></html>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP YANG Model for Service Provider Networks
        Authors         : Mahesh Jethanandani
                          Keyur Patel
                          Susan Hares
                          Jeffrey Haas
	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-09.txt
	Pages           : 134
	Date            : 2020-06-28

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model for configuring and managing
   BGP, including protocol, policy, and operational aspects, such as
   RIB, based on data center, carrier and content provider operational
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This version of the draft is an attempt to get the draft ready for =
publication. Most of the changes are clarifications, and clean up. One =
change that has been made is to move some of the groupings in the RIB =
portion of the module. The changes themselves do not affect the =
structure of the model. However, the changes that have been made are to =
accommodate a soon to follow companion draft that makes it easy to =
support some of the show commands commonly used by operators.

We believe that with these changes the draft is ready for LC.

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 3:20 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : BGP YANG Model for Service Provider Networks
>        Authors         : Mahesh Jethanandani
>                          Keyur Patel
>                          Susan Hares
>                          Jeffrey Haas
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-09.txt
> 	Pages           : 134
> 	Date            : 2020-06-28
>=20
> Abstract:
>   This document defines a YANG data model for configuring and managing
>   BGP, including protocol, policy, and operational aspects, such as
>   RIB, based on data center, carrier and content provider operational
>   requirements.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model/
>=20
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-09
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-09
>=20
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I am not aware any IPR other than the one disclosed.

Best Regards,
Shunwan

________________________________
From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@ndzh.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM
To: idr@iietf.org<mailto:idr@iietf.org> <idr@iietf.org<mailto:idr@iietf.org=
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Cc: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com<mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com=
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Subject: IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to 7/1/202=
0)


Greetings:



This is an IPR call for all authors of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/<https://nam11.safelink=
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This draft has 2 implementations from Huawei:

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You can review the implementation status by going to:

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM<br>
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t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">This is an IPR call for all author=
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Dear authors:

Thank you for this document!

I only have a couple of comments (see below). =C2=A0I think these should be
easy to address -- I'm starting the IETF Last Call.


Thanks!

Alvaro.


[Line numbers from idnits.]


...
80	1. =C2=A0Introduction

82	 =C2=A0 It can be troublesome for an operator to correlate a BGP-4 [RFC4=
271]
83	 =C2=A0 session teardown in the network with a notice that was transmitt=
ed
84	 =C2=A0 via offline methods such email or telephone calls. =C2=A0This do=
cument
85	 =C2=A0 updates [RFC4486] by specifying a mechanism to transmit a short
86	 =C2=A0 freeform UTF-8 [RFC3629] message as part of a Cease NOTIFICATION
87	 =C2=A0 message [RFC4271] to inform the peer why the BGP session is bein=
g
88	 =C2=A0 shutdown or reset. =C2=A0This document obsoletes [RFC8203]; the =
specific
89	 =C2=A0 differences and rationale are discussed in detail in Appendix B.

[nit] s/such email/such as email


91	2. =C2=A0Shutdown Communication
...
102	 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3
103	 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8=
 9 0 1
104	 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+
105	 =C2=A0 | Error code 6 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subcode =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Length =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 \
106	 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /
107	 =C2=A0 \ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 \
108	 =C2=A0 / =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ... S=
hutdown Communication ... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0/
109	 =C2=A0 \ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 \
110	 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+

[nit] s/Error code/Error Code
Capitalized in rfc486...


...
168	5. =C2=A0IANA Considerations

170	 =C2=A0 Per this document, IANA is requested to reference this document=
 at
171	 =C2=A0 subcode "Administrative Shutdown", and at subcode "Administrati=
ve
172	 =C2=A0 Reset" in the "BGP Cease NOTIFICATION message subcodes" registr=
y
173	 =C2=A0 under the "Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters" group in
174	 =C2=A0 addition to [RFC4486] and [RFC8203].

[nit] s/Per this document, /

[major] s/ and [RFC8203]./.
rfc8203 is being declared obsolete.


...
207	7.1. =C2=A0Normative References
...
231	 =C2=A0 [RFC8203] =C2=A0Snijders, J., Heitz, J., and J. Scudder, "BGP
232	 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Administrative Shutdow=
n Communication", RFC 8203,
233	 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DOI 10.17487/RFC8203, =
July 2017,
234	 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<https://www.rfc-edito=
r.org/info/rfc8203>.

[minor] This reference should be Informative.


...
271	Appendix B. =C2=A0Changes to RFC 8203
...
275	 =C2=A0 Feedback from operators based in regions which predominantly us=
e
276	 =C2=A0 multibyte character sets, showed that messages similar in meani=
ng to
277	 =C2=A0 what can be send in other languages in using single-byte encodi=
ng,
278	 =C2=A0 failed to fit within the Length constraints as specified by
279	 =C2=A0 [RFC8203]. =C2=A0For example, the phrase: 'Planned work to add =
switch to
280	 =C2=A0 stack. =C2=A0Completion time - 30 minutes' has length 65 bytes.=
 =C2=A0Its
281	 =C2=A0 translation in Russian
282	 =C2=A0 '&#1055;&#1083;&#1072;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1099;&#1077;
283	 =C2=A0 &#1088;&#1072;&#1073;&#1086;&#1090;&#1099; &#1087;&#1086; &#107=
6;&#10
284	 =C2=A0 86;&#1073;&#1072;&#1074;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1102; &#1=
082;&#
285	 =C2=A0 1086;&#1084;&#1084;&#1091;&#1090;&#1072;&#1090;&#1086;&#1088;&#=
1072;&
286	 =C2=A0 #1074;
287	 =C2=A0 &#1089;&#1090;&#1077;&#1082;.&#1042;&#1088;&#1077;&#1084;&#1103=
; &#10
288	 =C2=A0 79;&#1072;&#1074;&#1077;&#1088;&#1096;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#11=
03; -
289	 =C2=A0 30&#1084;&#1080;&#1085;&#1091;&#1090;' (See PDF for non-ASCII
290	 =C2=A0 character string) has length 139 bytes.

[major] I looked at all the other versions and none of them rendered
Cyrillic script. =C2=A0I have no idea how to fix that, maybe ask the
rfc-editor. =C2=A0I also don't know if there's something special about the
new v3 format that would make this easier... =C2=A0I'll rely on the
authors/Shepherd to solve this before approval.


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Alvaro:=20

Thank you for your AD report.=20

A bit thank you for  catching the major issue - that RFC8203 is being =
declared obsolete.=20
(blush).   I'm sorry I missed that one.=20

I'll work to try to fix the Cyrillic script.=20

Cheerily, Susan Hares=20

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Subject: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-06

Dear authors:

Thank you for this document!

I only have a couple of comments (see below).  I think these should be =
easy to address -- I'm starting the IETF Last Call.


Thanks!

Alvaro.


[Line numbers from idnits.]


...
80	1.  Introduction

82	   It can be troublesome for an operator to correlate a BGP-4 =
[RFC4271]
83	   session teardown in the network with a notice that was transmitted
84	   via offline methods such email or telephone calls.  This document
85	   updates [RFC4486] by specifying a mechanism to transmit a short
86	   freeform UTF-8 [RFC3629] message as part of a Cease NOTIFICATION
87	   message [RFC4271] to inform the peer why the BGP session is being
88	   shutdown or reset.  This document obsoletes [RFC8203]; the =
specific
89	   differences and rationale are discussed in detail in Appendix B.

[nit] s/such email/such as email


91	2.  Shutdown Communication
...
102	    0                   1                   2                   3
103	    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
104	   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
105	   | Error code 6  |    Subcode    |    Length     |     ...       \
106	   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+               /
107	   \                                                               \
108	   /                 ... Shutdown Communication ...                /
109	   \                                                               \
110	   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

[nit] s/Error code/Error Code
Capitalized in rfc486...


...
168	5.  IANA Considerations

170	   Per this document, IANA is requested to reference this document =
at
171	   subcode "Administrative Shutdown", and at subcode "Administrative
172	   Reset" in the "BGP Cease NOTIFICATION message subcodes" registry
173	   under the "Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Parameters" group in
174	   addition to [RFC4486] and [RFC8203].

[nit] s/Per this document, /

[major] s/ and [RFC8203]./.
rfc8203 is being declared obsolete.


...
207	7.1.  Normative References
...
231	   [RFC8203]  Snijders, J., Heitz, J., and J. Scudder, "BGP
232	              Administrative Shutdown Communication", RFC 8203,
233	              DOI 10.17487/RFC8203, July 2017,
234	              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8203>.

[minor] This reference should be Informative.


...
271	Appendix B.  Changes to RFC 8203
...
275	   Feedback from operators based in regions which predominantly use
276	   multibyte character sets, showed that messages similar in meaning =
to
277	   what can be send in other languages in using single-byte =
encoding,
278	   failed to fit within the Length constraints as specified by
279	   [RFC8203].  For example, the phrase: 'Planned work to add switch =
to
280	   stack.  Completion time - 30 minutes' has length 65 bytes.  Its
281	   translation in Russian
282	   '&#1055;&#1083;&#1072;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1099;&#1077;
283	   &#1088;&#1072;&#1073;&#1086;&#1090;&#1099; &#1087;&#1086; =
&#1076;&#10
284	   86;&#1073;&#1072;&#1074;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1102; =
&#1082;&#
285	   =
1086;&#1084;&#1084;&#1091;&#1090;&#1072;&#1090;&#1086;&#1088;&#1072;&
286	   #1074;
287	   &#1089;&#1090;&#1077;&#1082;.&#1042;&#1088;&#1077;&#1084;&#1103; =
&#10
288	   =
79;&#1072;&#1074;&#1077;&#1088;&#1096;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103; -
289	   30&#1084;&#1080;&#1085;&#1091;&#1090;' (See PDF for non-ASCII
290	   character string) has length 139 bytes.

[major] I looked at all the other versions and none of them rendered =
Cyrillic script.  I have no idea how to fix that, maybe ask the =
rfc-editor.  I also don't know if there's something special about the =
new v3 format that would make this easier...  I'll rely on the =
authors/Shepherd to solve this before approval.


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Hi Sue, IDR,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

@WG:=20
This is a *very* short draft that, is easy to read (even though it is a =
little boring). It contains IANA registry changes only and is (an =
unpopular?) cleanup draft that I have been asked for as a result of my =
work on BGP Flowspec.=20

I think it is our responsibility to cleanup that part of the extended =
community registry. I support WG adoption and hope for other support as =
well.

Cheers=20

Christoph

--=20
Christoph Loibl
c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at



> On 25.06.2020, at 03:20, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>=20
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for:=20
> draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt=20
>=20
> You can download the draft at:=20
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/=

>=20
> This document updates several BGP Extended Community registries in
>   order to replace the "Experimental Use" registration procedure in
>   some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and thus
>   misleading.
>=20
> This draft should be consider as part of the group of drafts that are =
trying to clarify and speed up the registry process.=20
>=20
> Christoph  you should send an IPR statement regarding this draft to =
the IDR WG.   Since you normally prompt with your email, I am running =
the IPR call and WG Adoption call in parallel.=20
>=20
> The other drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are:=20
>=20
> 1) draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09
>      John Scudder: in RFC editor=E2=80=99s queue
> 2) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/
>     Adrian Farrell: In Shepherd=E2=80=99s queue, top of list.=20
>=20
> These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP =
LS registry process.    This draft provides a set-up clean-up =
instructions for the Extended Communities registries.=20
>=20
> Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us =
streamline the process.  If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP =
registries, you are welcome to include the information on this thread.=20=

>=20
> Cheerily, Susan Hares=20


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Abstract


   This document enhances the BGP Cease NOTIFICATION message
   "Administrative Shutdown" and "Administrative Reset" subcodes for
   operators to transmit a short freeform message to describe why a BGP
   session was shutdown or reset.  This document updates RFC 4486 and
   obsoletes RFC 8203 by defining an Extended BGP Administrative
   Shutdown Communication to improve communication using multibyte
   character sets.





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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis/



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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4724,
"Graceful Restart Mechanism for BGP".

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You may review the report below and at:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6217

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Nir Chako <nir.chako@CyberArk.com>

Section: 7

Original Text
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Since with this proposal a new connection can cause an old one to be
terminated, it might seem to open the door to denial of service
attacks.  However, it is noted that unauthenticated BGP is already
known to be vulnerable to denials of service through attacks on the
TCP transport.  The TCP transport is commonly protected through use
of [BGP-AUTH].  Such authentication will equally protect against
denials of service through spurious new connections.

If an attacker is able to successfully open a TCP connection
impersonating a legitimate peer, the attacker's connection will
replace the legitimate one, potentially enabling the attacker to
advertise bogus routes.  We note, however, that the window for such a
route insertion attack is small since through normal operation of the
protocol the legitimate peer would open a new connection, in turn
causing the attacker's connection to be terminated.  Thus, this
attack devolves to a form of denial of service.

It is thus concluded that this proposal does not change the
underlying security model (and issues) of BGP-4.

We also note that implementations may allow use of graceful restart
to be controlled by configuration.  If graceful restart is not
enabled, naturally the underlying security model of BGP-4 is
unchanged.


Corrected Text
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Since with this proposal a new connection can cause an old one to be
terminated, it might seem to open the door to denial of service
attacks.  However, it is noted that unauthenticated BGP is already
known to be vulnerable to denials of service through attacks on the
TCP transport.  The TCP transport is commonly protected through use
of [BGP-AUTH].  Such authentication will equally protect against
denials of service through spurious new connections.

If an attacker is able to successfully open a TCP connection
impersonating a legitimate peer, the attacker's connection will
replace the legitimate one, potentially enabling the attacker to
advertise bogus routes.  We note, however, that the window for such a
route insertion attack is small since through normal operation of the
protocol the legitimate peer would open a new connection, in turn
causing the attacker's connection to be terminated.  Thus, this
attack devolves to a form of denial of service.

However, it is possible to downgrade the session so it will be
devoided of capabilities via the NOTIFICATION message for OPEN
messages with an Unsupported Optional Parameter subcode.
RFC5492 specifies that if a peer receives this type of NOTIFICATION
message, it SHOULD try to re-establish the BGP connection without
capabilities and, among other things, reduce the use of Graceful
Restart Capability.
Therefore, in this situation, if the attacker is the first to
establish a BGP connection with the peer, he might secure his route
advertising position.
This time, the legitimate peer won't be able to open a new
connection and terminate the attacker's connection.
Thus, this attack devolves into a form of a man-in-the-middle attack.

It is thus concluded that this proposal does not change the
underlying security model (and issues) of BGP-4.

We also note that implementations may allow use of graceful restart
to be controlled by configuration.  If graceful restart is not
enabled, naturally the underlying security model of BGP-4 is
unchanged.


Notes
-----
The change in this section is the addition of a paragraph between paragraph 2 and paragraph 3 in the original section which describes an attack process where the attacker can gain a permanent grip on the connection

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RFC4724 (draft-ietf-idr-restart-13)
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Title               : Graceful Restart Mechanism for BGP
Publication Date    : January 2007
Author(s)           : S. Sangli, E. Chen, R. Fernando, J. Scudder, Y. Rekhter
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Inter-Domain Routing
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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On June 29, 2020 at 3:52:19 PM, John Scudder wrote:


[Taking the rfc-editor off while we talk about this.]


Hi!


> I think the observation in the erratum is correct and is a valid use for
> the errata process =E2=80=94 the specification has a =E2=80=9Cbug=E2=80=
=9D in the quoted paragraph
> two, and it =E2=80=9Ccould cause=E2=80=A6 deployment problems=E2=80=9D
> (https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/processing-rfc-errata/=
)
> if someone relied on it.

While I also think the information is correct/valuable, I don't think
that adding text is what was intended as a "bug". =C2=A0In general, I think
of a bug as an error -- this report points at a possible omission,
something that could have been added...not something that was wrong.

The 3rd paragraph already covers general BGP security issues, which I
think include the issues introduced by rfc5492/rfc3392.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is thus concluded that this proposal does not change the un=
derlying
=C2=A0 =C2=A0security model (and issues) of BGP-4.


Note that rfc5492/rfc3392 doesn't include this type of downgrade
attack in the Security Considerations. =C2=A0:-(


Back to this report. =C2=A0We can argue whether an omission is an error or
not... =C2=A0Instead, I can mark this report as "Hold for Document Update"
so it is available when/if the RFC is updated.

Would that work for everyone?


Thanks!

Alvaro.


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I am not aware any IPR other than the one disclosed.

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BR,

Liang Ou

=20

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =
=B4=FA=B1=ED Huaimo Chen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA6=D4=C225=C8=D5 9:07
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; 'idr@ietf. org' =
<idr@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Idr] IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG =
LC (6/24 to
7/1/2020)

=20

I am not aware any IPR other than the one disclosed.

=20

Best Regards,

Huaimo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com <mailto:shares@ndzh.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM
To: idr@iietf.org <mailto:idr@iietf.org>  <idr@iietf.org
<mailto:idr@iietf.org> >
Cc: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com
<mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com> >
Subject: IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to
7/1/2020)=20

=20

Greetings:=20

=20

This is an IPR call for all authors of =
draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/
<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
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futur
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=20

This draft has 2 implementations from Huawei:=20

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/
<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
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=20

You can review the implementation status by going to:=20

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rpd%20implementations
<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftrac=
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=20

The WG LC will begin as soon as all authors send their IPR statement to =
the
list.=20

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background:white'>I am not aware any IPR other than the one =
disclosed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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lang=3DEN-US =
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background:white'>BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
background:white'>Liang Ou</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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sans-serif'>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
sans-serif'> idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
sans-serif'>=B4=FA=B1=ED </span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
sans-serif'>Huaimo Chen<br></span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
sans-serif'>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
sans-serif'> 2020</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"&#24494;&#36719;&#38597;&#40657;",=
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lang=3DEN-US>25</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3DEN-US> =
9:07<br></span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Susan Hares &lt;shares@ndzh.com&gt;; 'idr@ietf. org' =
&lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br></span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Re: [Idr] IPR call on =
draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to =
7/1/2020)<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I am not aware =
any IPR other than the one =
disclosed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Huaimo<o:p></o:p><=
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rom:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Susan Hares &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@iietf.org">idr@iietf.org</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:idr@iietf.org">idr@iietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Huaimo =
Chen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com">huaimo.chen@futurewei.com</a>&g=
t;<br><b>Subject:</b> IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC =
(6/24 to 7/1/2020) </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Greetings: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is an =
IPR call for all authors of =
draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a =
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7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C8abe0744141c474ad89508d818a26c98%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637286433179594678&amp;sdata=3DfiqXP=
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atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This draft =
has 2 implementations from Huawei: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a =
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atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You can =
review the implementation status by going to: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a =
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ions&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C8abe0744141c474ad=
89508d818a26c98%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637286433179=
604673&amp;sdata=3D%2BNKi8ow3DzM8%2BBgzsvRNiqetjQ7eKokJeIyeprAbHfw%3D&amp=
;reserved=3D0">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-rpd%20i=
mplementations</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The WG LC =
will begin as soon as all authors send their IPR statement to the list. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3Dxxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cheerily, =
Susan Hares =
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e one disclosed.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></pre=
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pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Jasonlu<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">________________________________<o:p=
></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">From: Susan Hares <a href=3D"mailto:=
&amp;lt;shares@ndzh.com&amp;gt;"><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">&lt;shares@n=
dzh.com&gt;</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 =
PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">To: <a href=3D"mailto:idr@iietf.org"=
><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">idr@iietf.org</span></a> <a href=3D"mailto:&=
amp;lt;idr@iietf.org&amp;gt;"><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">&lt;idr@iietf.o=
rg&gt;</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Cc: Huaimo Chen <a href=3D"mailto:&a=
mp;lt;huaimo.chen@futurewei.com&amp;gt;"><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">&lt;=
huaimo.chen@futurewei.com&gt;</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Subject: IPR call on draft-idr-flows=
pec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to 7/1/2020)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">Greetings:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">This is an IPR call for all authors =
of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/%3Chttps:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com=
/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-idr-rpd%2F&am=
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E"><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iet=
f-idr-rpd/&lt;https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3=
A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-idr-rpd%2F&amp;data=3D02%7C0=
1%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C8abe0744141c474ad89508d818a26c98%7C0fee8f=
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:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">This draft has 2 implementations fro=
m Huawei:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
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pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/%3Chttps:/nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com=
/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-idr-rpd%2F&am=
p;data=3D02%7C01%7Chuaimo.chen%40futurewei.com%7C8abe0744141c474ad89508d818=
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E"><span style=3D"color:#337AB7">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iet=
f-idr-rpd/&lt;https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3=
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<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#212529">You can review the implementation st=
atus by going to:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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I support this draft. It's an appropriate cleanup. The cement has dried on =
these codes.

Regards,
Jakob.

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:21 PM
To: idr@ietf.org
Cc: draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] draft-cli-bgp-ext-com-registry-update: WG adoption and IPR C=
all and WG adoption (6/24 to 7/8)

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for:
draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt

You can download the draft at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/

This document updates several BGP Extended Community registries in
   order to replace the "Experimental Use" registration procedure in
   some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and thus
   misleading.

This draft should be consider as part of the group of drafts that are tryin=
g to clarify and speed up the registry process.

Christoph  you should send an IPR statement regarding this draft to the IDR=
 WG.   Since you normally prompt with your email, I am running the IPR call=
 and WG Adoption call in parallel.

The other drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are:

1) draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09<https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change/>
      John Scudder: in RFC editor's queue
2) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/
     Adrian Farrell: In Shepherd's queue, top of list.

These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP LS re=
gistry process.    This draft provides a set-up clean-up instructions for t=
he Extended Communities registries.

Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us streamli=
ne the process.  If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP registries=
, you are welcome to include the information on this thread.

Thank you, Sue


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#441D61">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#441D61">Jakob.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Idr &lt;idr-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>
Susan Hares<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> idr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idr] draft-cli-bgp-ext-com-registry-update: WG adoption an=
d IPR Call and WG adoption (6/24 to 7/8)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for: <o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You can download the draft at: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl=
-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-c=
l-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This document updates several BGP Extended Community=
 registries in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; order to replace the &quot;Experimental=
 Use&quot; registration procedure in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; some entries, since their use is clearl=
y not experimental and thus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; misleading.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft should be consider as part of the group o=
f drafts that are trying to clarify and speed up the registry process.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Christoph &nbsp;you should send an IPR statement reg=
arding this draft to the IDR WG. &nbsp;&nbsp;Since you normally prompt with=
 your email, I am running the IPR call and WG Adoption call in parallel.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The other drafts which are in process for registry c=
lean-up are:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1) <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change/">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;color:#3D22B3;background:white;text-decorat=
ion:none">draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;John Scudder: in=
 RFC editor&#8217;s queue<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2) <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/</a> <o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Adrian Farrell: In She=
pherd&#8217;s queue, top of list. <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabil=
ities and the BGP LS registry process.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;This draft provide=
s a set-up clean-up instructions for the Extended Communities registries.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusi=
on and help us streamline the process. &nbsp;If you have other ideas for cl=
eaning up the BGP registries, you are welcome to include the information on=
 this thread.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you, Sue<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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ner noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a style=3D"COLOR: purple" href=3D"mailto:idr@iietf.org" re=
l=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">idr@iietf.org</a>&nbsp;&lt;<a s=
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rrer" target=3D"_blank">idr@iietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;Huaimo Chen &lt;<a style=3D"COLOR: purple" href=3D"mailto:h=
uaimo.chen@futurewei.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hua=
imo.chen@futurewei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/2=
4 to 7/1/2020)</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-se=
rif">This is an IPR call for all authors of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.=
txt.</span></p>
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Roman',serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-se=
rif"><a style=3D"COLOR: purple" href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.=
outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-id=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-se=
rif">This draft has 2 implementations from Huawei:</span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-se=
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I am not aware any IPR other than the one disclosed.

Best Regards,
Haibo

________________________________
From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@ndzh.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM
To: idr@iietf.org<mailto:idr@iietf.org> <idr@iietf.org<mailto:idr@iietf.org=
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Subject: IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to 7/1/202=
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Greetings:



This is an IPR call for all authors of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/<https://nam11.safelink=
s.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2F=
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This draft has 2 implementations from Huawei:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rpd/<https://nam11.safelink=
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You can review the implementation status by going to:

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Cheerily, Susan Hares

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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@iietf.org">idr@iietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=
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<b>Cc:</b> Huaimo Chen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com">hua=
imo.chen@futurewei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> IPR call on draft-idr-flowspec-rpd prior to WG LC (6/24 to =
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">This is an IPR call for all author=
s of draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-rpd-05.txt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks=
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t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">This draft has 2 implementations f=
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t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">You can review the implementation =
status by going to:
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">The WG LC will begin as soon as al=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
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Pavel:

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Thank you for this email regarding the resolution of your concern with =
version 11.  =20

=20

Sue=20

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From: Pavel Lunin [mailto:plunin@plunin.net]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:18 PM
To: Alexander Azimov
Cc: Gyan Mishra; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 =
to 6/18)(.

=20

Hi Susan and all,

=20

I have read the new version (-11) and discussed it with Alexander off =
list. The document is now more explicit about non eBGP and non =
Internet-routing use cases both in terms of how the roles and OTC should =
be implemented and how they should be configured.

=20

So all types of BGP sessions can potentially be configured with roles =
but the document explicitly states that it makes no assumption regarding =
any use cases other than plain vanilla inet/inet6 unicast eBGP between =
network operators.

=20

It looks clear to me.

=20

I also asked Alexander about the following case:

=20

- Operator A announces to operator B an eBGP route with the OTC =
attribute set (operator B is a customer of operator A)

- The route is than propagated through the operator's B network via iBGP

- At some distinct point, operator B, in it's turn, announces the route =
to its customer C via eBGP.

=20

Alexander explained that this is covered by the following phrase:

=20

>Once the OTC attribute has been set, it MUST be preserved unchanged

=20

So no matter how the route is propagated within the operator's B network =
(vanilla iBGP, inet-vpn, evpn type5 or whatever else) the original OTC =
value must be preserved just like it happens for AS-PATH. It also sound =
legitimate for me.

=20

So I fully support publication of this document.

=20

--

Pavel

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=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original =
Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:59 PM, Alexander Azimov =
<a.e.azimov@gmail.com> wrote:

=20

Dear colleagues,

=20

In the last days, I have accumulated comments that were received both =
on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who contributed to the =
improved quality of the document. Accompanied by minor changes there are =
two important edits that I'd like to highlight:

*	We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: 'BGP Roles =
SHOULD be configured on each eBGP session between ISPs that carry IPv4 =
and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is also an explicit =
statement that the applicability of Roles for other address families is =
out of scope of this document.
*	The registry for Roles now has three parts: Expert Review (0-127), =
First Come First Served (128-251), and Experimental Use (252-255). The =
statement is added that guarantees that newly defined roles will not =
pair with Roles defined in the draft.

Since these changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and =
needed in the implementations.

The new version of the draft is available: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11

=20

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=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 20:47, Gyan =
Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>:

Hi Susan

=20

I agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. =20

=20

I mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having =
internet table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP =
backbone, global table over mpls, IP VPN.  In the IP VPN case their are =
providers that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes =
with only connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet =
table carried in a dedicated internet VRF.  In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.  Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used over =
internet and public internet and private is carried over the same MPLS =
transport.

=20

Those permutations of the operators network inter-as types maybe =
important to mention as may impact the use of role feature.

=20

The main use case is for internet providers but could be used for large =
enterprises as well.=20

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Once vendors implement the feature any operator can use for any use case =
so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep disabled by Default.

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That being said we would not want the role priority feature to be =
Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP from a MP =
reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by Default.  =
This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to enable on their =
=E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties only.

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Kind Regards=20

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Gyan

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin <plunin@plunin.net> wrote:

Hi Susan,

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1) I support the advancement of this draft to publication.=20

=20

A little comment though. The so called "Gao-Rexford model" and more =
generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to eBGP =
sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.

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However from the operational point of view it's somewhat unclear if =
authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. The general term =
"BGP" is used everywhere throughout the document (with an exception of =
only one occurrence), so it might seem that the document recommends to =
set the roles on all iBGP sessions as well as eBGP. Here it might look =
evident that the general context is inter-domain routing, so the =
document covers eBGP. However the potential audience of this document is =
very broad, including people not very experienced in BGP operational =
practices (this is were route leaks often come from) so I would suggest =
to make this point more explicit. Probably some occurrences of the word =
'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just a little sentence/paragraph =
is needed to make this point clearer.

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> By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false for backward =
compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support this mechanism.

Same here. "Backward compatibility" suggests that in future all or =
almost all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not =
totally correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and =
role-based policies.

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This being said, this nuance only affects operational practice =
recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by the =
document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with roles if =
needed.

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2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for almost all use =
cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet routes.

=20

=20

Kind regards,

Pavel

=20

=20

Please comment on the following questions:

1) Is this specification ready for publication?

2) Are there deployments where this BGP protocol extension is valuable?

3) Do you believe the error code handling is ready for publication?

=20

The shepherd for this draft is Susan Hares.=20

During the WG LC, the shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be sent.

=20

Cheers,

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Pavel:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thank you for this email regarding the resolution of your concern =
with version 11. =C2=A0=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Pavel Lunin [mailto:plunin@plunin.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June =
16, 2020 7:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Alexander Azimov<br><b>Cc:</b> Gyan =
Mishra; idr@ietf. org; Susan Hares<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] WG LC =
for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-10.txt (6/4 to =
6/18)(.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Susan and all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have read the new version (-11) and discussed it with Alexander off =
list. The document is now more explicit about non eBGP and non =
Internet-routing use cases both in terms of how the roles and OTC should =
be implemented and how they should be =
configured.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So all types of BGP sessions can potentially be =
configured with roles but the document explicitly states that it makes =
no assumption regarding any use cases other than plain vanilla =
inet/inet6 unicast eBGP between network =
operators.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It looks clear to me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
also asked Alexander about the following =
case:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- =
Operator A announces to operator B an eBGP route with the OTC attribute =
set (operator B is a customer of operator A)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- The route is than propagated through the operator's =
B network via iBGP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- At =
some distinct point, operator B, in it's turn, announces the route to =
its customer C via eBGP.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Alexander explained that this is covered by the =
following phrase:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt;Once the OTC attribute has been set, it MUST be =
preserved unchanged<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So no matter how the route is propagated within the =
operator's B network (vanilla iBGP, inet-vpn, evpn type5 or whatever =
else) the original OTC value must be preserved just like it happens for =
AS-PATH. It also sound legitimate for me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So I fully support publication of this =
document.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pavel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=
=80=90 Original Message =
=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:59 PM, =
Alexander Azimov &lt;a.e.azimov@gmail.com&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In the last days, I have accumulated comments that =
were received both on-list and off-list. I'd like to thank all who =
contributed to the improved quality of the document. Accompanied by =
minor changes there are two important edits that I'd like to =
highlight:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'>We clearly specified the scope of the Roles configuration: =
'BGP Roles SHOULD be configured on&nbsp;each eBGP session between ISPs =
that carry IPv4 and(or) IPv6 unicast prefixes'. In section 8 there is =
also an explicit statement that the applicability of Roles for other =
address families&nbsp;is out of scope of this =
document.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'>The registry for Roles now has three parts:&nbsp;Expert =
Review (0-127),&nbsp;First Come First Served (128-251), =
and&nbsp;Experimental Use (252-255). The statement&nbsp;is added that =
guarantees that newly defined roles will not pair with Roles defined in =
the draft.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Since these =
changes don't affect the OTC/Role mechanics no changes and needed in the =
implementations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The new =
version of the draft is available:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11">ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-11</a><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=D0=BF=D1=82, 12 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD. 2020 =D0=B3. =
=D0=B2 20:47, Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blo=
ckquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Susan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
agree with Pavel=E2=80=99s important point in the draft in that this =
feature would be for =E2=80=9Cinter domain=E2=80=9D which from internet =
perspective would be ASBRs ties interconnection between providers thus =
=E2=80=9CeBGP=E2=80=9D only and could be over AFI/SAFI 1/1 2/1 1/128 =
2/128. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
mention the SAFI 128 as the internet has mix of carriers having internet =
table carried in 3 scenarios =E2=80=94 global table IP backbone, global =
table over mpls, IP VPN.&nbsp; In the IP VPN case their are providers =
that segregate global table to be clean of customer routes with only =
connected interfaces IGP for P,PE,RR reachability and Internet table =
carried in a dedicated internet VRF.&nbsp; In those cases inter-as =
carriers may do mpls inter-as option or if IP only an IP based bgp =
policy.&nbsp; Their maybe some cases but less often where MPLS is used =
over internet and public internet and private is carried over the same =
MPLS transport.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Those permutations of the operators network inter-as =
types maybe important to mention as may impact the use of role =
feature.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The main use case is for internet providers but could =
be used for large enterprises as well.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Once vendors implement the feature any operator can =
use for any use case so which is why it=E2=80=99s critical to keep =
disabled by Default.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That being said we would not want the role priority =
feature to be Default enabled since you cannot distinguish eBGP or iBGP =
from a MP reach capability standpoint it really has to be disabled by =
Default.&nbsp; This would allow in a controlled fashion by operators to =
enable on their =E2=80=9Cinter-as=E2=80=9D ASBR-ASBR boundary ties =
only.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Kind Regards&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gyan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:02 PM Pavel Lunin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:plunin@plunin.net" =
target=3D"_blank">plunin@plunin.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Susan,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1) I support the advancement of this draft to =
publication. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
little comment though. The so called &quot;Gao-Rexford model&quot; and =
more generally role-based relationships logic is mostly applicable to =
eBGP sessions. iBGP sessions are usually 'complex' in terms used in this =
document, so assigning roles to iBGP speakers seems practically =
unnecessary. From the implementation point of view it doesn't change a =
lot: ability to assign roles to iBGP speakers doesn't seem to make any =
harm, and having the option of not assigning the roles lets the network =
operators make the decision whether they want to change the today's =
behavior of iBGP default policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>However from the operational point of view it's =
somewhat unclear if authors propose to configure roles on iBGP sessions. =
The general term &quot;BGP&quot; is used everywhere throughout the =
document (with an exception of only one occurrence), so it might seem =
that the document recommends to set the roles on all iBGP sessions as =
well as eBGP. Here it might look evident that the general context is =
inter-domain routing, so the document covers eBGP. However the potential =
audience of this document is very broad, including people not very =
experienced in BGP operational practices (this is were route leaks often =
come from) so I would suggest to make this point more explicit. Probably =
some occurrences of the word 'BGP' should be replaced by 'eBGP' or just =
a little sentence/paragraph is needed to make this point =
clearer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt; By default, strict mode SHOULD be set to false =
for backward compatibility with BGP speakers that do not yet support =
this mechanism.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Same here. =
&quot;Backward compatibility&quot; suggests that in future all or almost =
all BGP sessions should be configured with roles while it's not totally =
correct: iBGP speakers won't probably ever need roles and role-based =
policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This being said, this nuance only affects operational =
practice recommendations. Protocol behavior specification, as defined by =
the document, looks good: both eBGP and iBGP can be configured with =
roles if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2) Deployments of this extension will be valuable for =
almost all use cases where eBGP is used to exchange public Internet =
routes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Pavel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Please comment on =
the following questions:<o:p></o:p></p><p>1) Is this specification ready =
for publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>2) Are there deployments where this =
BGP protocol extension is valuable?<o:p></o:p></p><p>3) Do you believe =
the error code handling is ready for =
publication?<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>The shepherd for =
this draft is Susan Hares.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>During the WG LC, the =
shepherd=E2=80=99s report will be =
sent.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p>&=
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Greeting Sriram and Alex: 

 

I have reviewed all the comments from the IDR WG on this document.  It is
delightful to have so many operational considerations included in the
discussion. 

 

My understanding from reading all the comments is that all parties believe
we have reached consensus.  However, I would like to see  I would like to
see revision -12.txt published.  At which point, I will do 2 things in

parallel: 

 

a) call for a validation that -12.txt resolves all issues in IDR and Grow

- I will do a 1 week call for IDR and Grow final input

 

b) do the shepherd's report at the same time. 

 

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I support adoption.
I concur with John Scudder.
I'd even go so far as to suggest a slight improvement/change, based on the
following logic:
Transitive and Experimental are mutually exclusive, IMNSHO.
Non-Transitive Experimental EC can be propagated among consenting parties,
by judicious use of route-maps (or equivalent) for matching and re-applying
the same or similar ECs to the NLRI(s).

I propose eliminating the Experimental Transitive category entirely, other
than the three Type codes which have been set up in the registry already
(previously or via this ID).

Brian

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:25 PM John Scudder <jgs=3D
40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> (As an individual contributor)
>
> I=E2=80=99ve just read through the draft. As advertised it is short, swee=
t, and to
> the point. I support its adoption, and thank Christoph for writing it.
>
> I will note that it would be possible to carve out just the three
> mis-assigned code points without changing the registration procedures for
> the entire registry, i.e. we could leave the Experimental ranges as
> experimental, save for those three code points. However, as most of you
> know I=E2=80=99m not a big fan of Experimental for BGP protocol allocatio=
ns, it
> doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be worth much, so I=E2=80=99m just as happy to se=
e the change made.
> In any case, the WG should adopt the draft either way, since no matter
> what, the three code points in question should be clarified.
>
> I do want to raise one potential concern about the reclassification of th=
e
> ranges: since Experimental is completely ungoverned (see
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.2), there could in theory
> be implementations in the field already using code points from this space=
.
> I think it=E2=80=99s not very likely that there ARE such, but there could=
 be. (If
> someone knows of an example of one, they should say so right now of cours=
e.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> =E2=80=94John
>
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for:
> draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt
>
> You can download the draft at:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update=
/
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cl-id=
r-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!R5iRHCRaDtkyJ3GYqfAwIaQrt7Ok=
9-pEvV6eDArDVP5ayHp-23iXFSJrPzpyVA$>
>
> This document updates several BGP Extended Community registries in
>    order to replace the "Experimental Use" registration procedure in
>    some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and thus
>    misleading.
>
> This draft should be consider as part of the group of drafts that are
> trying to clarify and speed up the registry process.
>
> Christoph  you should send an IPR statement regarding this draft to the
> IDR WG.   Since you normally prompt with your email, I am running the IPR
> call and WG Adoption call in parallel.
>
> The other drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are:
>
> 1) draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-=
idr-capabilities-registry-change/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!R5iRHCRaDtkyJ3GYqfAwIaQrt=
7Ok9-pEvV6eDArDVP5ayHp-23iXFSJS6xrsfg$>
>       John Scudder: in RFC editor=E2=80=99s queue
> 2) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-=
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>      Adrian Farrell: In Shepherd=E2=80=99s queue, top of list.
>
> These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP LS
> registry process.    This draft provides a set-up clean-up instructions f=
or
> the Extended Communities registries.
>
> Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us
> streamline the process.  If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP
> registries, you are welcome to include the information on this thread.
>
> Thank you, Sue
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I support adoption.<div>I concur with John Scudder.</div><=
div>I&#39;d even go so far as to suggest a slight improvement/change, based=
 on the following logic:</div><div>Transitive and Experimental are mutually=
 exclusive, IMNSHO.</div><div>Non-Transitive Experimental EC can be propaga=
ted among consenting parties, by judicious use of route-maps (or equivalent=
) for matching and re-applying the same or similar ECs to the NLRI(s).</div=
><div><br></div><div>I propose eliminating the Experimental Transitive cate=
gory entirely, other than the three Type codes which have been set up in th=
e registry already (previously or via this ID).</div><div><br></div><div>Br=
ian</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:25 PM John Scudder &lt;jgs=3D<a href=3D=
"mailto:40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">
(As an individual contributor)
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve just read through the draft. As advertised it is short, s=
weet, and to the point. I support its adoption, and thank Christoph for wri=
ting it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will note that it would be possible to carve out just the three mis-=
assigned code points without changing the registration procedures for the e=
ntire registry, i.e. we could leave the Experimental ranges as experimental=
, save for those three
 code points. However, as most of you know I=E2=80=99m not a big fan of Exp=
erimental for BGP protocol allocations, it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be worth=
 much, so I=E2=80=99m just as happy to see the change made. In any case, th=
e WG should adopt the draft either way, since no matter
 what, the three code points in question should be clarified.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I do want to raise one potential concern about the reclassification of=
 the ranges: since Experimental is completely ungoverned (see=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.2" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.2</a>),
 there could in theory be implementations in the field already using code p=
oints from this space. I think it=E2=80=99s not very likely that there ARE =
such, but there could be. (If someone knows of an example of one, they shou=
ld say so right now of course.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E2=80=94John</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Susan Hares &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@=
ndzh.com" target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for:<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u>=
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draft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01.txt<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></=
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<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
You can download the draft at:<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!R5iRHCRaDtkyJ3GYqfAw=
IaQrt7Ok9-pEvV6eDArDVP5ayHp-23iXFSJrPzpyVA$" style=3D"color:purple;text-dec=
oration:underline" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-cl-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-update/</a><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
This document updates several BGP Extended Community registries in<u></u><u=
></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 order to replace the &quot;Experimental Use&quot; registration=
 procedure in<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and =
thus<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 misleading.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
This draft should be consider as part of the group of drafts that are tryin=
g to clarify and speed up the registry process.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
Christoph =C2=A0you should send an IPR statement regarding this draft to th=
e IDR WG. =C2=A0=C2=A0Since you normally prompt with your email, I am runni=
ng the IPR call and WG Adoption call in parallel.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
The other drafts which are in process for registry clean-up are:<u></u><u><=
/u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
1)<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change/__;!!NEt6yMaO=
-gk!R5iRHCRaDtkyJ3GYqfAwIaQrt7Ok9-pEvV6eDArDVP5ayHp-23iXFSJS6xrsfg$" style=
=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(61,34,179);background-color:white;text-decor=
ation:none">draft-ietf-idr-capabilities-registry-change-09</span></a><u></u=
><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0John Scudder: in RFC editor=E2=80=99s q=
ueue<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
2)<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!R5iRHCRaD=
tkyJ3GYqfAwIaQrt7Ok9-pEvV6eDArDVP5ayHp-23iXFSLfv03utQ$" style=3D"color:purp=
le;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.or=
g/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry/</a><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Adrian Farrell: In Shepherd=E2=80=99s queue, =
top of list.<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
These two drafts provide clean-up to the IDR capabilities and the BGP LS re=
gistry process.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0This draft provides a set-up clean-up ins=
tructions for the Extended Communities registries.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
Please consider if this clean-up will lessen confusion and help us streamli=
ne the process.=C2=A0 If you have other ideas for cleaning up the BGP regis=
tries, you are welcome to include the information on this thread.<u></u><u>=
</u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">
Thank you, Sue<u></u><u></u></div>
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<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
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> I support WG adoption. I agree with John Scudderâ€™s comments on the draft.

Exactly the same here as well.

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Hi Gyan,

    Thank you very much for your comments.

    Our answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC].

Best Regards,
Huaimo on behalf of authors
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Authors



Few comments



In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting traffic.  When readi=
ng the abstract and introduction adjusting traffic the first thing I think =
of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy to rate limit BGP traffic.



[HC]: It seems that the way (or say RPD) in which the traffic is adjusted i=
n the draft and BGP QOS QPPB are different. The BGP QOS QPPB is based on co=
nfigurations or commands. Different configurations for different parts of t=
he network need to be done. These configurations combined with the BGP prop=
agation provides some QoS policy on some traffic. The RPD provides a way to=
 adjust the traffic (i.e., adjust the route attributes to redirect the traf=
fic to the less used links) automatically without those configurations on d=
ifferent parts of the network.




In general routing policy is pretty straight forward with active / backup r=
outing policy.



However when optimal active/ active all active routing optimization is requ=
ired where geographic region based routing is desired and if routing contro=
l optimization is desired between both peering AS=92s , the policy can beco=
me very complex and unmanageable.  If routing control policy is on one side=
 only, the other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the policy is c=
omplex but manageable.  However optimized routing so both sides of peering =
does not back haul can be very complex.



There are many peering scenario and this one above  is a dual transit as al=
l active peering policy scenario.



The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2/1 and can be accomplished with standar=
d communities.



[HC]: The above can be achieved using standard communities, but can be very=
 complex as you said. Using the RPD in stead of the standard communities ca=
n reduce the complexity greatly and can adjust the route attributes without=
 configurations for some parts of the network to redirect the service traff=
ic from the heavy-loaded links to the links with light traffic. Thus the ne=
twork resource is effectively used and the QoE is improved. For example, in=
 one metro area network without using the RPD, planning and implementing a =
redirection of a service traffic (coming to and exiting from a router) take=
s days. After the RPD is deployed in the network with a controller NCE, thi=
s takes just minutes instead of days.




I would say auto adjustment of active routing paths routing where routing c=
ontrol is required on both sides of peering to enable optimized paths



[HC]: The RPD can be used for automatically adjusting active routing paths =
on the both sides of a peer if it is required and permitted. In the case wh=
ere the two sides of a peer are two different ISPs (say ISPa and ISPb) and =
each side (ISP) does not allow the other to control its network, when ISPa =
adjusts routing paths, it can not control the network owned by ISPb directl=
y.




Kind Regards



Gyan



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<span lang=3D"EN-US">In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting=
 traffic.&nbsp; When reading the abstract and introduction adjusting traffi=
c the first thing I think of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy t=
o rate limit BGP traffic.</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">[HC]:&nbsp;It seems that the way (or say RPD) in which=
 the traffic is adjusted in the draft and BGP QOS QPPB are different. The B=
GP QOS QPPB is based on configurations or commands. Different configuration=
s for different parts of the network need
 to be done. These configurations combined with the BGP propagation provide=
s some QoS policy on some traffic. The RPD provides a way to adjust the tra=
ffic (i.e., adjust the route attributes to redirect the traffic to the less=
 used links) automatically without
 those configurations on different parts of the network.</span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">In general routing policy is pretty straight forward w=
ith active / backup routing policy.</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">However when optimal active/ active all active routing=
 optimization is required where geographic region based routing is desired =
and if routing control optimization is desired between both peering AS=92s =
, the policy can become very complex
 and unmanageable.&nbsp; If routing control policy is on one side only, the=
 other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the policy is complex but=
 manageable.&nbsp; However optimized routing so both sides of peering does =
not back haul can be very complex. &nbsp;</span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">There are many peering scenario and this one above &nb=
sp;is a dual transit as all active peering policy scenario.</span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2/1 and can be acco=
mplished with standard communities.</span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">[HC]:&nbsp;The above can be achieved using standard co=
mmunities, but can be very complex as you said. Using the RPD in stead of t=
he standard communities can reduce the complexity greatly and can adjust th=
e route attributes without configurations
 for some parts of the network to redirect the service traffic from the hea=
vy-loaded links to the links with light traffic. Thus the network resource =
is effectively used and the QoE is improved. For example, in one metro area=
 network without using the RPD,
 planning and implementing&nbsp;a redirection of a service traffic (coming =
to and exiting from a router) takes days. After the RPD is deployed in the =
network with a controller NCE, this takes just minutes instead of days. &nb=
sp;</span></p>
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Hi,

I support this draft as a co-author.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 8:52 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
> This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-15.txt
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> This draft does not have 2 implementation so it will be held for 2 implementations.
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> In reviewing the draft please consider:
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> 1) Should this functionality be included in RFC5575bis,
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This draft is consistent with and extends the approved rfc5575bis
draft. I do not think it needs to wait for flowspec2.

> 2) Do you think this technology is need by BGP deployments?

Yes based on uses described in the draft.

> 3) Do you think this draft technology is ready for implementation?
> 4) Do you think the draft is clear and ready for publication?

I believe the draft is ready for publication and implementation.

> Cheerily, Susan Hares

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Hi Huaimo

Few more questions in-line

Thank you

Gyan

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:53 PM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>
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> Hi Gyan,
>
>     Thank you very much for your comments.
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>     Our answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC].
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> Best Regards,
> Huaimo on behalf of authors
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> *From:* Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan Mishra <
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> Authors
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> Few comments
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>
>
> In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting traffic.  When
> reading the abstract and introduction adjusting traffic the first thing I
> think of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy to rate limit BGP
> traffic.
>
>
>
> [HC]: It seems that the way (or say RPD) in which the traffic is adjusted
> in the draft and BGP QOS QPPB are different. The BGP QOS QPPB is based on
> configurations or commands. Different configurations for different parts =
of
> the network need to be done. These configurations combined with the BGP
> propagation provides some QoS policy on some traffic. The RPD provides a
> way to adjust the traffic (i.e., adjust the route attributes to redirect
> the traffic to the less used links) automatically without those
> configurations on different parts of the network.
>

    Gyan> The point here I was trying to make is that in the intro and
draft you mention adjusting traffic to me that means BGP QOS rate limiting
which may also be accomplished by RPD, but I think what may better
represent RPD is stating RPD accomplishes the goal of automated update of
 complex multi active routing policy using a centralized PCE controller
using large communities atoms containers for policy granularity and
flexibility.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-05


>
>
> In general routing policy is pretty straight forward with active / backup
> routing policy.
>
>
>
> However when optimal active/ active all active routing optimization is
> required where geographic region based routing is desired and if routing
> control optimization is desired between both peering AS=E2=80=99s , the p=
olicy can
> become very complex and unmanageable.  If routing control policy is on on=
e
> side only, the other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the polic=
y
> is complex but manageable.  However optimized routing so both sides of
> peering does not back haul can be very complex.
>
>
>
> There are many peering scenario and this one above  is a dual transit as
> all active peering policy scenario.
>
>
>
> The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2/1 and can be accomplished with
> standard communities.
>
>
>
> [HC]: The above can be achieved using standard communities, but can be
> very complex as you said. Using the RPD in stead of the standard
> communities can reduce the complexity greatly and can adjust the route
> attributes without configurations for some parts of the network to redire=
ct
> the service traffic from the heavy-loaded links to the links with light
> traffic. Thus the network resource is effectively used and the QoE is
> improved. For example, in one metro area network without using the RPD,
> planning and implementing a redirection of a service traffic (coming to a=
nd
> exiting from a router) takes days. After the RPD is deployed in the netwo=
rk
> with a controller NCE, this takes just minutes instead of days.
>
>
>
>
> I would say auto adjustment of active routing paths routing where routing
> control is required on both sides of peering to enable optimized paths
>
>
>
> [HC]: The RPD can be used for automatically adjusting active routing path=
s
> on the both sides of a peer if it is required and permitted. In the case
> where the two sides of a peer are two different ISPs (say ISPa and ISPb)
> and each side (ISP) does not allow the other to control its network, when
> ISPa adjusts routing paths, it can not control the network owned by ISPb
> directly.
>

   Gyan> Understood.  In this particular case it would have to be
coordinated as exchange is between administrative domains, but in this case
RPD automatic large communities policy update can be accomplished via
centralized PCE controller.

I noticed you have AFI/SAFI codepoint request for RPD.  Would this be just
a SAFI request similar to any other SAFI such as BGP flowspec safi 133 134

https://www.iana.org/assignments/safi-namespace/safi-namespace.xhtml

It would nice to see maybe in an appendix an example of the large
> communities atoms containers of the RPD automated proxy use case of how a
> complex policy translated into RPD policy provides tremendous simplicity =
in
> provisioning policy updates.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Gyan
>
>
>
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<div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Huaimo</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Few more questions in-line=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thank you=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:53 PM Huaimo Chen &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huaimo.chen@futurewei.com">huaimo.chen@futurewei.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
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Hi Gyan,</div>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you very=C2=A0much for=C2=A0your comments.</div>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Our answers/explanations are inline below with prefix [HC].</=
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Best Regards,</div>
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;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Huaimo on behalf=C2=A0of authors</div>
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<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Fr=
om:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif;color:black"> Idr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org=
" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">idr-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>&gt;
 on behalf of Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">hayabusagsm@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Monday, June 22, 2020=
 7:15 PM<br>
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@i=
etf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">idr@iet=
f.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">idr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:i-d-a=
nnounce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">i-d-announce@ietf.=
org</a>&gt;<br>
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject:</b> Re: [Idr] I-D Acti=
on: draft-ietf-idr-rpd-05.txt</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fami=
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">=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">Authors=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">Few comments</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">In the abstract and introduction it mentions adjusting traffic.=C2=A0 Whe=
n reading the abstract and introduction adjusting traffic the first thing I=
 think of when saying adjusting is BGP QOS QPPB policy to rate limit BGP tr=
affic.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">[HC]:=C2=A0It seems that the way (or say RPD) in which the traffic is adj=
usted in the draft and BGP QOS QPPB are different. The BGP QOS QPPB is base=
d on configurations or commands. Different configurations for different par=
ts of the network need
 to be done. These configurations combined with the BGP propagation provide=
s some QoS policy on some traffic. The RPD provides a way to adjust the tra=
ffic (i.e., adjust the route attributes to redirect the traffic to the less=
 used links) automatically without
 those configurations on different parts of the network.</span></p>
</div>
<div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"aut=
o">=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan&gt; The point he=
re I was trying to make is that in the intro and draft you mention adjustin=
g traffic to me that means BGP QOS rate limiting which may also be accompli=
shed by RPD, but I think what may better represent RPD is stating RPD accom=
plishes the goal of automated update of =C2=A0complex multi active routing =
policy using a centralized PCE controller using large communities atoms con=
tainers for policy granularity and flexibility.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-i=
etf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-05">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-05</a></div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div lang=3D"ZH-CN"><div><div><div><br>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">In general routing policy is pretty straight forward with active / backup=
 routing policy.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">However when optimal active/ active all active routing optimization is re=
quired where geographic region based routing is desired and if routing cont=
rol optimization is desired between both peering AS=E2=80=99s , the policy =
can become very complex
 and unmanageable.=C2=A0 If routing control policy is on one side only, the=
 other side AS back hauls based on peering policy the policy is complex but=
 manageable.=C2=A0 However optimized routing so both sides of peering does =
not back haul can be very complex. =C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">There are many peering scenario and this one above =C2=A0is a dual transi=
t as all active peering policy scenario.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">The above relates to AFI /SAFI 1/1 2/1 and can be accomplished with stand=
ard communities.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">[HC]:=C2=A0The above can be achieved using standard communities, but can =
be very complex as you said. Using the RPD in stead of the standard communi=
ties can reduce the complexity greatly and can adjust the route attributes =
without configurations
 for some parts of the network to redirect the service traffic from the hea=
vy-loaded links to the links with light traffic. Thus the network resource =
is effectively used and the QoE is improved. For example, in one metro area=
 network without using the RPD,
 planning and implementing=C2=A0a redirection of a service traffic (coming =
to and exiting from a router) takes days. After the RPD is deployed in the =
network with a controller NCE, this takes just minutes instead of days. =C2=
=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
"><br>
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">I would say auto adjustment of active routing paths routing where routing=
 control is required on both sides of peering to enable optimized paths=C2=
=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">[HC]:=C2=A0The RPD can be used for automatically adjusting active routing=
 paths on the both sides of a peer if it is required and permitted. In the =
case where the two sides of a peer are two different ISPs (say ISPa and ISP=
b) and each side (ISP)
 does not allow the other to control its network, when ISPa adjusts routing=
 paths, it can not control the network owned by ISPb directly.=C2=A0</span>=
</p>
</div>
<div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"aut=
o">=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gyan&gt; Understood.=
=C2=A0 In this particular case it would have to be coordinated as exchange =
is between administrative domains, but in this case RPD automatic large com=
munities policy update can be accomplished via centralized PCE controller.<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I noticed you have AFI/S=
AFI codepoint request for RPD.=C2=A0 Would this be just a SAFI request simi=
lar to any other SAFI such as BGP flowspec safi 133 134=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://www.iana.org/=
assignments/safi-namespace/safi-namespace.xhtml">https://www.iana.org/assig=
nments/safi-namespace/safi-namespace.xhtml</a></div><br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1p=
x;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20=
4)"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div lang=3D"ZH-CN"><div><div><d=
iv>It would nice to see maybe in an appendix an example of the large commun=
ities atoms containers of the RPD automated proxy use case of how a complex=
 policy translated into RPD policy provides tremendous simplicity in provis=
ioning policy updates.<br>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">Kind Regards=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">Gyan</span></p>
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"ltr"><div lang=3D"ZH-CN"><div><div>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">=C2=A0</span></p>
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Hi,



I support this draft as a co-author.



Thanks,

Shunwan

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
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Subject: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-15.txt (6/24 - 7/8)

This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-15.txt

You can obtain the draft at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn/

There is IPR filing on this draft which can be found at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4142/

This draft does not have 2 implementation so it will be held for 2 implemen=
tations.

In reviewing the draft please consider:

1) Should this functionality be included in RFC5575bis,
or should it wait for Flow Specification v2?

2) Do you think this technology is need by BGP deployments?

3) Do you think this draft technology is ready for implementation?

4) Do you think the draft is clear and ready for publication?

Cheerily, Susan Hares


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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'idr@ietf. org' &lt;idr@ietf.org&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">You can obtain the draft at: <o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There is IPR filing on this dra=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1) Should this functionality be=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">or should it wait for Flow Spec=
ification v2?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2) Do you think this technology=
 is need by BGP deployments?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">3) Do you think this draft tech=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cheerily, Susan Hares <o:p></o:=
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From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
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Dear all,

The draft agenda of IETF 108 is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/m=
eeting/108/agenda.html. IDR session is on July 31 (Friday) 14:10-15:50 UTC.

Please start to send any IDR agenda item request to me and CC the chairs. A=
nd Please include the name of the person who will be presenting, and the es=
timate time you'll need (including Q/A).

If you plan to make a presentation, please keep in mind the IDR tradition, =
"no Internet Draft - no time slot". You should also plan to send your slide=
s to me and CC the chairs no later than 24 hours prior to the IDR meeting, =
though earlier is better. Please number your slides for the benefit of remo=
te attendees. By default your slides will be converted to PDF and presented=
 from the PDF. If you do need to use any fancy builds or transitions, pleas=
e make sure to arrange this with us in advance to avoid any surprise. Thank=
s.

And potential presenters, please take a look at the checklist for presentin=
g at IDR:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%2=
0at%20an%20IDR%20meeting


Best regards,
Jie


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The draft agenda of IETF 108 is=
 available at
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda.html">https://da=
tatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda.html</a>. IDR session is on July 31 (=
Friday) 14:10-15:50 UTC.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please start to send any IDR ag=
enda item request to me and CC the chairs. And Please include the name of t=
he person who will be presenting, and the estimate time you'll need (includ=
ing Q/A).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If you plan to make a presentat=
ion, please keep in mind the IDR tradition, &quot;no Internet Draft - no ti=
me slot&quot;. You should also plan to send your slides to me and CC the ch=
airs no later than 24 hours prior to the IDR meeting,
 though earlier is better. Please number your slides for the benefit of rem=
ote attendees. By default your slides will be converted to PDF and presente=
d from the PDF. If you do need to use any fancy builds or transitions, plea=
se make sure to arrange this with
 us in advance to avoid any surprise. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">And potential presenters, pleas=
e take a look at the checklist for presenting at IDR:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://trac.tools.i=
etf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presenting%20at%20an%20IDR%20mee=
ting">https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/idr/trac/wiki/Checklist%20for%20presen=
ting%20at%20an%20IDR%20meeting</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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