From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Mar 19 16:44:16 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26012 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B4RmN-00031L-VE for ieprep-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:48 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i2JLhlSR011605 for ieprep-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B4RmN-000316-QW for ieprep-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25837 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B4RmL-0006Qo-00 for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:45 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B4RlO-0006Eu-00 for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:42:47 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B4RkX-00066R-04 for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:41:53 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B4Re5-0007xl-VD for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:35:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B4Rdx-00025u-Mu; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:35:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B4RdR-00023s-Mb for ieprep@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:34:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25498 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B4RdP-0005Vg-00 for ieprep@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:34:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B4Rcf-0005Q0-00 for ieprep@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:33:46 -0500 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B4Rbn-0005Jr-00 for ieprep@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:32:51 -0500 Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:32:34 -0500 Received: from mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.12]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004031916323317325 ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:32:33 -0500 Received: by mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:32:34 -0500 Message-Id: From: "King, Kimberly S." To: "Ieprep (E-mail)" Cc: "'Scott Bradner ' (E-mail)" , "'jon.peterson@neustar.biz'" , "'mankin@psg.com'" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Ieprep] WG Last Call draft-ietf-ieprep-framework-08.txt Sender: ieprep-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ieprep-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ieprep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Emergency Preparedness Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Announcing WG last call for Framework for Supporting IEPS in IP Telephony (draft-ietf-ieprep-framework-08.txt). The aim for this draft is informational RFC. This version has been modified based on the mailing list discussion. The last call will end on 2 April 2004. _______________________________________________ Ieprep mailing list Ieprep@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ieprep From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:40:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03768 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjA-0006WI-3r for ieprep-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:00 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h91EQ3g7012674 for ieprep-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4hvX-0003IL-8D for ieprep-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15093 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4hvU-0007ab-00 for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4hvU-0007aY-00 for ieprep-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4hvV-0003HY-GT; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A4hvT-0003HH-Ud for ieprep@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15079 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4hvR-0007aF-00 for ieprep@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:25:57 -0400 Received: from gnat.inet.org ([63.108.254.91]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4hvQ-0007aB-00 for ieprep@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:25:56 -0400 Received: from extremenetworks.com (unknown [10.0.8.115]) by gnat.inet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C7967104; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ieprep] The world's biggest data consumers don't think prior ity is such a big priority Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: ieprep To: "Gunn, Janet" From: RJ Atkinson In-Reply-To: <5EA16A28B747E34FB90B578E6C5DDE8915AB7C@chntex04.is.dyncorp.com> Message-Id: <29C48132-F41B-11D7-B968-00039357A82A@extremenetworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ieprep-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ieprep-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ieprep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Emergency Preparedness Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 09:15 America/Montreal, Gunn, Janet wrote: > May I paraphrase? > > "Users with very large 'pipes' don't see the need for prioritization." > > That seems to be a pretty valid statement. > > But it says nothing about users and uses within the same organizations > which > do NOT have massive overcapacity pipes. Agree completely, when such users/uses exist within a given organisation, which is certainly not an uncommon situation around the world. QoS mechanisms can be very useful for dealing with intra-domain situations where there is insufficient capacity and it is not economic to add enough capacity to meet needs. As near as I can tell, there is no dispute about the potential utility of intra-domain QoS on this list. The list does seem to have divergent perspectives on inter-domain QoS, however. Cheers, Ran Atkinson rja@extremenetworks.com _______________________________________________ Ieprep mailing list Ieprep@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ieprep