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Hi Group


I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
bandwidth for a certain traffic class.

The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE extension.

So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP
-TE but without MPLS)

Any thoughts?

Regards,
-Sujay

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>I am trying to do a ho=
p by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved bandwidth for a certain traffi=
c class.<br><br></div><div>The decision should be dynamic, so i will need s=
ome IGP or EGP TE extension.<br><br></div><div>So how can I do this with a =
central controller? (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I do this without a cent=
ral controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<br><br></div=
><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Sujay<br></di=
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Hi Sujay,

PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement Routing
without signalling).

If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which might
give you some ideas.

Regards,
Dhruv

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Group
>
>
> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>
> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
> extension.
>
> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP
> -TE but without MPLS)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> -Sujay
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(76,17,48)">PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling o=
r Segement Routing without signalling).=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(76,17,48)">If no MPLS, checkout=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/rfc3272/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/</a> which mi=
ght give you some ideas.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"=
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span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
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:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>I am trying to d=
o a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved bandwidth for a certain =
traffic class.<br><br></div><div>The decision should be dynamic, so i will =
need some IGP or EGP TE extension.<br><br></div><div>So how can I do this w=
ith a central controller? (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I do this without =
a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<br><br=
></div><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Sujay<b=
r></div></div>
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HI Dhruv

Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on the
TE.

So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need a
controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS
for feeding the information, right?

Which comes to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is
running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to be
build over it?

My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.

Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mechanism. The
intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, but the
question
remains is how do set up the transport path without MPLS.

Regards,
-Sujay





On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sujay,
>
> PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement
> Routing without signalling).
>
> If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which
> might give you some ideas.
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Group
>>
>>
>> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
>> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>>
>> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
>> extension.
>>
>> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
>> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP
>> -TE but without MPLS)
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Sujay
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ietf-hub-bangalore mailing list
>> Ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>HI Dhruv<br><=
br></div>Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details=
 on the TE.<br><br></div>So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I w=
ould typically need a controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and B=
GP-LS<br></div>for feeding the information, right?<br><br></div>Which comes=
 to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is running a CSPF =
path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to be build over it?<br=
><br></div>My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.<br=
><br></div>Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mecha=
nism. The intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE=
, but the question<br></div>remains is how do set up the transport path wit=
hout MPLS.<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>-Sujay<br><div><div><br><div><div=
><div><br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2=
016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.i=
etf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay=
,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">PCE *currently* works =
well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement Routing without signalling).=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">If no MPLS, checkout=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/" target=3D"_blank">=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/</a> which might give you some ide=
as.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(7=
6,17,48)">Dhruv</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupt=
a <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Group<=
br><br><br></div><div>I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaran=
teed/reserved bandwidth for a certain traffic class.<br><br></div><div>The =
decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE extension.<br=
><br></div><div>So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??) <br=
></div><div>And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to =
MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<br><br></div><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></di=
v><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Sujay<br></div></div>
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Hi Sujay,

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> HI Dhruv
>
> Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on the
> TE.
>
> So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need a
> controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS
> for feeding the information, right?
>

=E2=80=8BYes!
=E2=80=8B


>
> Which comes to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is
> running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to be
> build over it?
>

=E2=80=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides the=
 path,
in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B



>
> My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.
>
> Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mechanism. The
> intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, but th=
e
> question
> remains is how do set up the transport path without MPLS.
>

The protocol "PCEP" might not help you, but what if after computing the
path you use openflow to set the "flow" (in MPLS we would call that LSP) on
each node.

Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane.

=E2=80=8Band then there is this - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-is=
is-pcr-05
and http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Dhruv=E2=80=8B



> Regards,
> -Sujay
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sujay,
>>
>> PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement
>> Routing without signalling).
>>
>> If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which
>> might give you some ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhruv
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> Hi Group
>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
>>> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>>>
>>> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
>>> extension.
>>>
>>> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
>>> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSV=
P
>>> -TE but without MPLS)
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -Sujay
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ietf-hub-bangalore mailing list
>>> Ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-hub-bangalore
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 6, 201=
6 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.iet=
f@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><div>HI Dhruv<br><br></div>Thanks for the link it is a good introduction a=
nd relevant details on the TE.<br><br></div>So when you say PCE works curre=
ntly with MPLS, I would typically need a controller (PCEP controller) with =
a TE database and BGP-LS<br></div>for feeding the information, right?<br></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(76,17,48);display:inline">=E2=80=8BYes!=C2=A0</div></div><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,=
48);display:inline">=E2=80=8B</div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-s=
tyle:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Which comes to the next quest=
ion after PCEP controller has the TED, is running a CSPF path a part of the=
 PCEP role, or an application has to be build over it?<br></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=80=
=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides the path,=
 in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B</=
div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;borde=
r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>=
<div><div><div><br></div>My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light=
-weight TE.<br><br></div>Hence my choice would be a constraint based source=
 routing mechanism. The intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF=
-TE or ISIS-TE, but the question<br></div>remains is how do set up the tran=
sport path without MPLS.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(76,17,48)">The protocol &quot;PCEP&quot; might not help you, but wh=
at if after computing the path you use openflow to set the &quot;flow&quot;=
 (in MPLS we would call that LSP) on each node.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane.=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"=
>=E2=80=8Band then there is this - <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-ietf-isis-pcr-05">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05</=
a> and <a href=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html">http://www.i=
eee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17=
,48)">Hope this helps!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">R=
egards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv=E2=80=8B</div><br></div><div><br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div>Regards,<br></div>-Suja=
y<br><div><div><br><div><div><div><br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14=
 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wi=
dth:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,s=
ans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-T=
E signaling or Segement Routing without signalling).=C2=A0</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">If no MPLS, checko=
ut=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/</a> which might give you som=
e ideas.=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(=
76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;b=
order-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>I am trying=
 to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved bandwidth for a cer=
tain traffic class.<br><br></div><div>The decision should be dynamic, so i =
will need some IGP or EGP TE extension.<br><br></div><div>So how can I do t=
his with a central controller? (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I do this wit=
hout a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<b=
r><br></div><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Su=
jay<br></div></div>
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Hi Dhruv,

Good idea on using SR, but which PCE controller has inbuilt application for
constraint based routing?

Regards.
-Sujay



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sujay,
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Dhruv
>>
>> Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on th=
e
>> TE.
>>
>> So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need a
>> controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS
>> for feeding the information, right?
>>
>
> =E2=80=8BYes!
> =E2=80=8B
>
>
>>
>> Which comes to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is
>> running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to be
>> build over it?
>>
>
> =E2=80=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides t=
he path,
> in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B
>
>
>
>>
>> My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.
>>
>> Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mechanism. Th=
e
>> intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, but t=
he
>> question
>> remains is how do set up the transport path without MPLS.
>>
>
> The protocol "PCEP" might not help you, but what if after computing the
> path you use openflow to set the "flow" (in MPLS we would call that LSP) =
on
> each node.
>
> Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane.
>
> =E2=80=8Band then there is this -
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05 and
> http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv=E2=80=8B
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> -Sujay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> Hi Sujay,
>>>
>>> PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement
>>> Routing without signalling).
>>>
>>> If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which
>>> might give you some ideas.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dhruv
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
>>>> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>>>>
>>>> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
>>>> extension.
>>>>
>>>> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
>>>> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to
>>>> MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -Sujay
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Dhruv,<br><br></div>Good idea on using S=
R, but which PCE controller has inbuilt application for constraint based ro=
uting?<br><br></div>Regards.<br></div>-Sujay<br><br><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM=
, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><span class=3D"">On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">suja=
y.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:=
solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>HI Dhruv<br><br></div>Thanks =
for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on the TE.<br><=
br></div>So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically n=
eed a controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS<br></div>f=
or feeding the information, right?<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48);display:inline">=
=E2=80=8BYes!=C2=A0</div></div><span class=3D""><div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48);display:=
inline">=E2=80=8B</div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
<div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Which comes to the next question after P=
CEP controller has the TED, is running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role,=
 or an application has to be build over it?<br></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=80=8BBot=
h option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides the path, in so=
me controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B</div><b=
r></div><span class=3D""><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:=
solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>My use case is a single IGP domain requ=
iring light-weight TE.<br><br></div>Hence my choice would be a constraint b=
ased source routing mechanism. The intelligence for which can be calculated=
 using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, but the question<br></div>remains is how do set =
up the transport path without MPLS.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ver=
dana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">The protocol &quot;PCEP&quot; might no=
t help you, but what if after computing the path you use openflow to set th=
e &quot;flow&quot; (in MPLS we would call that LSP) on each node.=C2=A0</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Another option would be SR with I=
Pv6 in data plane. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=80=8Band then there is this - <a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05</a> and <a href=3D"http://www.ieee802.or=
g/1/pages/802.1ca.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/80=
2.1ca.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verda=
na,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hope this helps=
!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,1=
7,48)">Dhruv=E2=80=8B</div><br></div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-w=
idth:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div>Regards,<br></div>-Sujay<br=
><div><div><br><div><div><div><br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ie=
tf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:soli=
d;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=
=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"=
>PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement Routin=
g without signalling).=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">If no MPLS, checkout=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/doc/rfc3272/</a> which might give you some ideas.=C2=A0</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv</div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On =
Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing=
 with guaranteed/reserved bandwidth for a certain traffic class.<br><br></d=
iv><div>The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE e=
xtension.<br><br></div><div>So how can I do this with a central controller?=
 (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I do this without a central controller ( eq=
uivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<br><br></div><div>Any thoughts?=
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Hi Sujay,

Currently we are working on ONOS G release to have CSPF and PCE built in.
But you do need to figure out which southbound to use? Can OF carry Ipv6-SR
header?

Regards,
Dhruv


On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:16 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dhruv,
>
> Good idea on using SR, but which PCE controller has inbuilt application
> for constraint based routing?
>
> Regards.
> -Sujay
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sujay,
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> HI Dhruv
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on
>>> the TE.
>>>
>>> So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need a
>>> controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS
>>> for feeding the information, right?
>>>
>>
>> =E2=80=8BYes!
>> =E2=80=8B
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Which comes to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is
>>> running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to b=
e
>>> build over it?
>>>
>>
>> =E2=80=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides =
the path,
>> in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.
>>>
>>> Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mechanism.
>>> The intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, =
but
>>> the question
>>> remains is how do set up the transport path without MPLS.
>>>
>>
>> The protocol "PCEP" might not help you, but what if after computing the
>> path you use openflow to set the "flow" (in MPLS we would call that LSP)=
 on
>> each node.
>>
>> Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane.
>>
>> =E2=80=8Band then there is this -
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05 and
>> http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhruv=E2=80=8B
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -Sujay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sujay,
>>>>
>>>> PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement
>>>> Routing without signalling).
>>>>
>>>> If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which
>>>> might give you some ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dhruv
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
>>>>> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>>>>>
>>>>> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
>>>>> extension.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
>>>>> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to
>>>>> MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> -Sujay
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">=
Currently we are working on ONOS G release to have CSPF and PCE built in. B=
ut you do need to figure out which southbound to use? Can OF carry Ipv6-SR =
header?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdan=
a,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:16 AM, sujay gupta <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">suja=
y.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Dhruv,<br><br></div>Good idea on using SR,=
 but which PCE controller has inbuilt application for constraint based rout=
ing?<br><br></div>Regards.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><b=
r></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">-Sujay=
<br><br><br></font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 6, 2016 =
at 7:08 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=
=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><span>On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sujay.i=
etf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:sol=
id;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>HI Dhruv<br><br></div>Thanks for=
 the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on the TE.<br><br>=
</div>So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need=
 a controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS<br></div>for =
feeding the information, right?<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48);display:inline">=E2=
=80=8BYes!=C2=A0</div></div><span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48);display:inline">=E2=
=80=8B</div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><br></div>Which comes to the next question after PCEP controll=
er has the TED, is running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an appli=
cation has to be build over it?<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=80=8BBoth option exi=
st. For in case of ODL, the application decides the path, in some controlle=
r the path computation algorithm is built in. =E2=80=8B</div><br></div><spa=
n><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><br></div>My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.<=
br><br></div>Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mec=
hanism. The intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-=
TE, but the question<br></div>remains is how do set up the transport path w=
ithout MPLS.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(76,17,48)">The protocol &quot;PCEP&quot; might not help you, but what if=
 after computing the path you use openflow to set the &quot;flow&quot; (in =
MPLS we would call that LSP) on each node.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(76,17,48)">Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane. =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=
=80=8Band then there is this - <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft=
-ietf-isis-pcr-05" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-isis-pcr-05</a> and <a href=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html</a></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ve=
rdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hope this helps!=C2=A0</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17=
,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,s=
ans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv=E2=80=8B<=
/div><br></div><span><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
<div><br></div>Regards,<br></div>-Sujay<br><div><div><br><div><div><div><br=
><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, =
2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.=
ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">PCE *currently* works well with =
MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement Routing without signalling).=C2=A0</div=
><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">If no M=
PLS, checkout=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/</a> which might g=
ive you some ideas.=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay=
 gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-=
width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>=
I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved bandwidt=
h for a certain traffic class.<br><br></div><div>The decision should be dyn=
amic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE extension.<br><br></div><div>So how=
 can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I =
do this without a central controller ( equivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but with=
out MPLS)<br><br></div><div>Any thoughts?<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></d=
iv><div>-Sujay<br></div></div>
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Hi Dhruv

That's good. I believe if I have a constrained route map, i can program a
openflow directed path all across like how routeflow does.
The challenge will remain if the switches are running both OF and legacy
routing, where a label concept to distinguish constrained traffic needs to
come.
(& hence back to MPLS etc.)

But yes all the discussion we had is useful.

Regards,
-Sujay


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sujay,
>
> Currently we are working on ONOS G release to have CSPF and PCE built in.
> But you do need to figure out which southbound to use? Can OF carry Ipv6-=
SR
> header?
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv
>
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:16 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dhruv,
>>
>> Good idea on using SR, but which PCE controller has inbuilt application
>> for constraint based routing?
>>
>> Regards.
>> -Sujay
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> Hi Sujay,
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Dhruv
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and relevant details on
>>>> the TE.
>>>>
>>>> So when you say PCE works currently with MPLS, I would typically need =
a
>>>> controller (PCEP controller) with a TE database and BGP-LS
>>>> for feeding the information, right?
>>>>
>>>
>>> =E2=80=8BYes!
>>> =E2=80=8B
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which comes to the next question after PCEP controller has the TED, is
>>>> running a CSPF path a part of the PCEP role, or an application has to =
be
>>>> build over it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> =E2=80=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decides=
 the
>>> path, in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =
=E2=80=8B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My use case is a single IGP domain requiring light-weight TE.
>>>>
>>>> Hence my choice would be a constraint based source routing mechanism.
>>>> The intelligence for which can be calculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE,=
 but
>>>> the question
>>>> remains is how do set up the transport path without MPLS.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The protocol "PCEP" might not help you, but what if after computing the
>>> path you use openflow to set the "flow" (in MPLS we would call that LSP=
) on
>>> each node.
>>>
>>> Another option would be SR with IPv6 in data plane.
>>>
>>> =E2=80=8Band then there is this -
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05 and
>>> http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dhruv=E2=80=8B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -Sujay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sujay,
>>>>>
>>>>> PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement
>>>>> Routing without signalling).
>>>>>
>>>>> If no MPLS, checkout https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/ which
>>>>> might give you some ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dhruv
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Group
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing with guaranteed/reserved
>>>>>> bandwidth for a certain traffic class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE
>>>>>> extension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how can I do this with a central controller? (PCE??)
>>>>>> And can I do this without a central controller ( equivalent to
>>>>>> MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> -Sujay
>>>>>>
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>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Dhruv<br><br></div>That&#39;s good. I be=
lieve if I have a constrained route map, i can program a openflow directed =
path all across like how routeflow does. <br></div>The challenge will remai=
n if the switches are running both OF and legacy routing, where a label con=
cept to distinguish constrained traffic needs to come.<br></div><div>(&amp;=
 hence back to MPLS etc.)<br></div><div><br>But yes all the discussion we h=
ad is useful.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Sujay<br></div><div=
><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c11=
30">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Currently we are worki=
ng on ONOS G release to have CSPF and PCE built in. But you do need to figu=
re out which southbound to use? Can OF carry Ipv6-SR header?=C2=A0</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c=
1130"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,s=
ans-serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=C2=A0</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"=
><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:16 AM, suj=
ay gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Dhruv,<br><br></div>Good=
 idea on using SR, but which PCE controller has inbuilt application for con=
straint based routing?<br><br></div>Regards.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><=
br></font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">-Sujay<br><br><br></fo=
nt></span></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:=
56 PM, sujay gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-=
width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>H=
I Dhruv<br><br></div>Thanks for the link it is a good introduction and rele=
vant details on the TE.<br><br></div>So when you say PCE works currently wi=
th MPLS, I would typically need a controller (PCEP controller) with a TE da=
tabase and BGP-LS<br></div>for feeding the information, right?<br></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(76,17,48);display:inline">=E2=80=8BYes!=C2=A0</div></div><span><div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(7=
6,17,48);display:inline">=E2=80=8B</div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Which comes to the next =
question after PCEP controller has the TED, is running a CSPF path a part o=
f the PCEP role, or an application has to be build over it?<br></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,=
48)">=E2=80=8BBoth option exist. For in case of ODL, the application decide=
s the path, in some controller the path computation algorithm is built in. =
=E2=80=8B</div><br></div><span><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-=
style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>My use case is a single IGP dom=
ain requiring light-weight TE.<br><br></div>Hence my choice would be a cons=
traint based source routing mechanism. The intelligence for which can be ca=
lculated using OSPF-TE or ISIS-TE, but the question<br></div>remains is how=
 do set up the transport path without MPLS.<br></div></div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div></span><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">The protocol &quot;PCEP&quot; =
might not help you, but what if after computing the path you use openflow t=
o set the &quot;flow&quot; (in MPLS we would call that LSP) on each node.=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Another option would be=
 SR with IPv6 in data plane. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=E2=80=8Band then there is this - <a href=3D"h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-pcr-05</a> and <a href=3D"http://www.=
ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ca.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ieee802.org/=
1/pages/802.1ca.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hope =
this helps!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ve=
rdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv=E2=80=8B</div><br></div><span><div><br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wi=
dth:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div>Regards,<br></div>-Sujay<br>=
<div><div><br><div><div><div><br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.iet=
f@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
 style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hi Sujay,=C2=
=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"=
>PCE *currently* works well with MPLS (RSVP-TE signaling or Segement Routin=
g without signalling).=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">If no MPLS, checkout=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3272/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/doc/rfc3272/</a> which might give you some ideas.=C2=A0</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Regards,</div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Dhruv</div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On =
Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:37 AM, sujay gupta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sujay.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv>Hi Group<br><br><br></div><div>I am trying to do a hop by hop IP routing=
 with guaranteed/reserved bandwidth for a certain traffic class.<br><br></d=
iv><div>The decision should be dynamic, so i will need some IGP or EGP TE e=
xtension.<br><br></div><div>So how can I do this with a central controller?=
 (PCE??) <br></div><div>And can I do this without a central controller ( eq=
uivalent to MPLS;RSVP -TE but without MPLS)<br><br></div><div>Any thoughts?=
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FYI

Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD register as remote
attendee incase you are attended remotely.

Thanks!

Regards,
Dhruv

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Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM
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IETF 96
Berlin, Germany
July 17 - 22, 2016
Host: Juniper

IETF 96 Information: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html
Register online at: http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html

1.  Registration
2.  Visas & Letters of Invitation
3.  Accommodations

1. Registration:
        A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT*, if paid
        in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016
        B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT*
        C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 (with proper ID)
plus VAT*
        D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus VAT*
        E. Registration Cancellation
        Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday, 11 July 2016 at UTC
23:59.
        Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee
if requested by
        that date and time.
        F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 15 July, 2016,
17:00 local Berlin time
        G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 July 2016 at 10:00
local Berlin time.
        * VAT FAQ - http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html

2. Visas & Letters of Invitation:

        After you complete the registration process, you may
        request an electronic IETF letter of invitation. The
        registration system also allows for you to request hard copy
        IETF letters of invitation. You may request one at a later
        time by following the link provided in the confirmation
        email.

        Please note that local letters of invitation for
        inclusion with Visa applications will not be provided through
        the IETF Registration system. To request a local letter of
        invitation, see: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html


3.  Accommodations:
        The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms at the The
        InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter's hotel. Room rates
        include breakfast and in-room high-speed Internet access.

        Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016
        Reservations Link: https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016

        The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms at the
        Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel, which is
        located right across the street from the InterContinental
        Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-room high-speed
        Internet access.

        Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016
        Reservations Link: https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598

        For more information about accommodations during IETF 96, see:
        http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;color:#4c1130">FYI=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
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mail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Regist=
ration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD register as remote attende=
e incase you are attended remotely.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">=
Thanks!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdan=
a,sans-serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwar=
ded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">IETF Secretar=
iat</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-secretariat@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">ietf-secretariat@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Tue, Ma=
y 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM<br>Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reserva=
tions Now Open!<br>To: IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-an=
nounce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>Cc: <a=
 href=3D"mailto:recentattendees@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">recentattendees=
@ietf.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf=
.org</a><br><br><br>IETF 96<br>
Berlin, Germany<br>
July 17 - 22, 2016<br>
Host: Juniper<br>
<br>
IETF 96 Information: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html</a>=
<br>
Register online at: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html</a>=
<br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 Registration<br>
2.=C2=A0 Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations<br>
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1. Registration:<br>
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AT*<br>
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) cancellation fee if requested by<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that date and time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday,=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * VAT FAQ - <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/=
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<br>
2. Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation:<br>
<br>
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irmation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email.<br>
<br>
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r<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inclusion with Visa applications will not be pr=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the IETF Registration system. To request a loca=
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ting/96/local-loi.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.or=
g/meeting/96/local-loi.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms =
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hotel. Room rates<br>
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<br>
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sskey.com/go/IETF2016" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://resweb.=
passkey.com/go/IETF2016</a><br>
<br>
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<br>
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Hi Sudhin,

We do need local letter, refer ->
https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html

Regards,
Dhruv


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Sudhin Jacob <sjacob@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Is there any letter of invitation required for Visa or online IETF LOI
> will do. Do we require letters like in Argentina.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sudhin
>
>
>
> *From:* Ietf-community-india [mailto:ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Dhruv Dhody
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM
> *To:* ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org; ietf-community-india@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel
> Reservations Now Open!
>
>
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD register as remote
> attendee incase you are attended remotely.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dhruv
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *IETF Secretariat* <ietf-secretariat@ietf.org>
> Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM
> Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!
> To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: recentattendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org
>
>
> IETF 96
> Berlin, Germany
> July 17 - 22, 2016
> Host: Juniper
>
> IETF 96 Information: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html
> Register online at: http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html
>
> 1.  Registration
> 2.  Visas & Letters of Invitation
> 3.  Accommodations
>
> 1. Registration:
>         A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT*, if paid
>         in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016
>         B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT*
>         C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 (with proper ID)
> plus VAT*
>         D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus VAT*
>         E. Registration Cancellation
>         Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday, 11 July 2016 at
> UTC 23:59.
>         Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee
> if requested by
>         that date and time.
>         F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 15 July, 2016,
> 17:00 local Berlin time
>         G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 July 2016 at 10:00
> local Berlin time.
>         * VAT FAQ - http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html
>
> 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation:
>
>         After you complete the registration process, you may
>         request an electronic IETF letter of invitation. The
>         registration system also allows for you to request hard copy
>         IETF letters of invitation. You may request one at a later
>         time by following the link provided in the confirmation
>         email.
>
>         Please note that local letters of invitation for
>         inclusion with Visa applications will not be provided through
>         the IETF Registration system. To request a local letter of
>         invitation, see: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html
>
>
> 3.  Accommodations:
>         The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms at the The
>         InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter's hotel. Room rates
>         include breakfast and in-room high-speed Internet access.
>
>         Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016
>         Reservations Link: https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016
>
>         The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms at the
>         Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel, which is
>         located right across the street from the InterContinental
>         Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-room high-speed
>         Internet access.
>
>         Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016
>         Reservations Link: https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598
>
>         For more information about accommodations during IETF 96, see:
>         http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Hi Sudhin, <br><br>We do=
 need local letter, refer -&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/=
local-loi.html">https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html</a> <br><br>=
Regards,<br>Dhruv</font><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:v=
erdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Sudh=
in Jacob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjacob@juniper.net" target=
=3D"_blank">sjacob@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is there any letter of invitation req=
uired for Visa or online IETF LOI will do. Do we require letters like in Ar=
gentina.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sudhin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Ietf-community-india [mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i=
etf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-community-india@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf-community-india@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hote=
l Reservations Now Open!<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">FYI=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD=
 register as remote attendee incase you are attended remotely.=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Thanks!=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-secretariat@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">ietf-secretariat@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM<br>
Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!<br>
To: IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:recentattendees@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">recentatt=
endees@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
IETF 96<br>
Berlin, Germany<br>
July 17 - 22, 2016<br>
Host: Juniper<br>
<br>
IETF 96 Information: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html" targ=
et=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html</a><br>
Register online at: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html</a><br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 Registration<br>
2.=C2=A0 Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations<br>
<br>
1. Registration:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT=
*, if paid<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT=
*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 =
(with proper ID) plus VAT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus V=
AT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 E. Registration Cancellation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday,=
 11 July 2016 at UTC 23:59.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent=
) cancellation fee if requested by<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that date and time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday,=
 15 July, 2016, 17:00 local Berlin time<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 Ju=
ly 2016 at 10:00 local Berlin time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * VAT FAQ - <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/=
96/vat-faq.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html</a><br>
<br>
2. Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 After you complete the registration process, yo=
u may<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 request an electronic IETF letter of invitation=
. The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 registration system also allows for you to requ=
est hard copy<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IETF letters of invitation. You may request one=
 at a later<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 time by following the link provided in the conf=
irmation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that local letters of invitation fo=
r<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inclusion with Visa applications will not be pr=
ovided through<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the IETF Registration system. To request a loca=
l letter of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 invitation, see: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/mee=
ting/96/local-loi.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms =
at the The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter&#39;s =
hotel. Room rates<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 include breakfast and in-room high-speed Intern=
et access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://resweb.pa=
sskey.com/go/IETF2016" target=3D"_blank">
https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms =
at the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel=
, which is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 located right across the street from the InterC=
ontinental<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-roo=
m high-speed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://aws.passk=
ey.com/e/13810598" target=3D"_blank">
https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For more information about accommodations durin=
g IETF 96, see:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.htm=
l" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html</a><u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>

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Hi Sudhin

Last time the German embassy made a big fuss about a local letter (in
German) and rejected my visa. Callously they did not bother to call the
person or the number mentioned on the letter. I was told that letter was
fraudulent. I contacted VP of Deutsche Telekom (the host and the sponsor)
and he called the foreign office to get the embassy to give me a visa. He
had to send a physical letter which was translated in German.

But YMMV. Last week one of my friend got his visa in a day. But he was
visiting Munich only for a day (for interview). Visa process pretty much
everywhere is crapshoot. Better to be prepared. Also talk to the embassy in
Bangalore before applying.

Regards

Vinayak
On 10 May 2016 6:53 p.m., "Sudhin Jacob" <sjacob@juniper.net> wrote:

Hi All,



Is there any letter of invitation required for Visa or online IETF LOI will
do. Do we require letters like in Argentina.



Regards,

Sudhin



*From:* Ietf-community-india [mailto:ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org] *On
Behalf Of *Dhruv Dhody
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM
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*Subject:* [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel
Reservations Now Open!



FYI



Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD register as remote
attendee incase you are attended remotely.



Thanks!



Regards,

Dhruv



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Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM
Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!
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IETF 96
Berlin, Germany
July 17 - 22, 2016
Host: Juniper

IETF 96 Information: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html
Register online at: http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html

1.  Registration
2.  Visas & Letters of Invitation
3.  Accommodations

1. Registration:
        A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT*, if paid
        in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016
        B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT*
        C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 (with proper ID)
plus VAT*
        D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus VAT*
        E. Registration Cancellation
        Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday, 11 July 2016 at UTC
23:59.
        Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee
if requested by
        that date and time.
        F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 15 July, 2016,
17:00 local Berlin time
        G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 July 2016 at 10:00
local Berlin time.
        * VAT FAQ - http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html

2. Visas & Letters of Invitation:

        After you complete the registration process, you may
        request an electronic IETF letter of invitation. The
        registration system also allows for you to request hard copy
        IETF letters of invitation. You may request one at a later
        time by following the link provided in the confirmation
        email.

        Please note that local letters of invitation for
        inclusion with Visa applications will not be provided through
        the IETF Registration system. To request a local letter of
        invitation, see: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html


3.  Accommodations:
        The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms at the The
        InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter's hotel. Room rates
        include breakfast and in-room high-speed Internet access.

        Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016
        Reservations Link: https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016

        The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms at the
        Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel, which is
        located right across the street from the InterContinental
        Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-room high-speed
        Internet access.

        Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016
        Reservations Link: https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598

        For more information about accommodations during IETF 96, see:
        http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p>Hi Sudhin<br></p><p dir=3D"ltr">Last time the German em=
bassy made a big fuss about a local letter (in German) and rejected my visa=
. Callously they did not bother to call the person or the number mentioned =
on the letter. I was told that letter was fraudulent. I contacted VP of Deu=
tsche Telekom (the host and the sponsor) and he called the foreign office t=
o get the embassy to give me a visa. He had to send a physical letter which=
 was translated in German.<br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">But YMMV. Last week one of my friend got his visa in a day. =
But he was visiting Munich only for a day (for interview). Visa process pre=
tty much everywhere is crapshoot. Better to be prepared. Also talk to the e=
mbassy in Bangalore before applying.<br></p><p>Regards</p><p>Vinayak<br></p=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 6:53 p.m., &quot;Sudhin Jacob&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjacob@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">sjacob@junip=
er.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is there any letter of invitation req=
uired for Visa or online IETF LOI will do. Do we require letters like in Ar=
gentina.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sudhin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Ietf-community-india [mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i=
etf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-community-india@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf-community-india@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hote=
l Reservations Now Open!<u></u><u></u></span></p><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">FYI=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD=
 register as remote attendee incase you are attended remotely.=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Thanks!=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-secretariat@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">ietf-secretariat@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM<br>
Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!<br>
To: IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:recentattendees@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">recentatt=
endees@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
IETF 96<br>
Berlin, Germany<br>
July 17 - 22, 2016<br>
Host: Juniper<br>
<br>
IETF 96 Information: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html" targ=
et=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html</a><br>
Register online at: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html</a><br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 Registration<br>
2.=C2=A0 Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations<br>
<br>
1. Registration:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT=
*, if paid<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT=
*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 =
(with proper ID) plus VAT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus V=
AT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 E. Registration Cancellation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday,=
 11 July 2016 at UTC 23:59.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent=
) cancellation fee if requested by<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that date and time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday,=
 15 July, 2016, 17:00 local Berlin time<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 Ju=
ly 2016 at 10:00 local Berlin time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * VAT FAQ - <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/=
96/vat-faq.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html</a><br>
<br>
2. Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 After you complete the registration process, yo=
u may<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 request an electronic IETF letter of invitation=
. The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 registration system also allows for you to requ=
est hard copy<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IETF letters of invitation. You may request one=
 at a later<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 time by following the link provided in the conf=
irmation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that local letters of invitation fo=
r<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inclusion with Visa applications will not be pr=
ovided through<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the IETF Registration system. To request a loca=
l letter of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 invitation, see: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/mee=
ting/96/local-loi.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms =
at the The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter&#39;s =
hotel. Room rates<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 include breakfast and in-room high-speed Intern=
et access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://resweb.pa=
sskey.com/go/IETF2016" target=3D"_blank">
https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms =
at the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel=
, which is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 located right across the street from the InterC=
ontinental<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-roo=
m high-speed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://aws.passk=
ey.com/e/13810598" target=3D"_blank">
https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For more information about accommodations durin=
g IETF 96, see:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.htm=
l" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html</a><u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div>
</div>

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Hi,

My experience for the last IETF in Berlin was quite straight forward, did
not face any issue with the local letter of invitation in Bangalore
embassy.

Regards,
Dhruv

On Tuesday 10 May 2016, Sudhin Jacob <sjacob@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi Vinay,
>
>
>
> Let me thank you for the help.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sudhin
>
>
>
> *From:* Vinayak Hegde [mailto:vinayakh@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vinayakh@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:43 PM
> *To:* Sudhin Jacob <sjacob@juniper.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sjacob@juniper.net');>>
> *Cc:* Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dhruv.ietf@gmail.com');>>;
> ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org');>;
> ietf-community-india@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-community-india@ietf.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ietf-hub-bangalore] [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 -
> Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!
>
>
>
> Hi Sudhin
>
> Last time the German embassy made a big fuss about a local letter (in
> German) and rejected my visa. Callously they did not bother to call the
> person or the number mentioned on the letter. I was told that letter was
> fraudulent. I contacted VP of Deutsche Telekom (the host and the sponsor)
> and he called the foreign office to get the embassy to give me a visa. He
> had to send a physical letter which was translated in German.
>
> But YMMV. Last week one of my friend got his visa in a day. But he was
> visiting Munich only for a day (for interview). Visa process pretty much
> everywhere is crapshoot. Better to be prepared. Also talk to the embassy in
> Bangalore before applying.
>
> Regards
>
> Vinayak
>
> On 10 May 2016 6:53 p.m., "Sudhin Jacob" <sjacob@juniper.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sjacob@juniper.net');>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Is there any letter of invitation required for Visa or online IETF LOI
> will do. Do we require letters like in Argentina.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sudhin
>
>
>
> *From:* Ietf-community-india [mailto:ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Dhruv Dhody
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM
> *To:* ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org');>;
> ietf-community-india@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-community-india@ietf.org');>
> *Subject:* [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel
> Reservations Now Open!
>
>
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD register as remote
> attendee incase you are attended remotely.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dhruv
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *IETF Secretariat* <ietf-secretariat@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-secretariat@ietf.org');>>
> Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM
> Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!
> To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf-announce@ietf.org');>>
> Cc: recentattendees@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','recentattendees@ietf.org');>, ietf@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ietf@ietf.org');>
>
>
> IETF 96
> Berlin, Germany
> July 17 - 22, 2016
> Host: Juniper
>
> IETF 96 Information: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html
> Register online at: http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html
>
> 1.  Registration
> 2.  Visas & Letters of Invitation
> 3.  Accommodations
>
> 1. Registration:
>         A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT*, if paid
>         in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016
>         B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT*
>         C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 (with proper ID)
> plus VAT*
>         D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus VAT*
>         E. Registration Cancellation
>         Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday, 11 July 2016 at
> UTC 23:59.
>         Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee
> if requested by
>         that date and time.
>         F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 15 July, 2016,
> 17:00 local Berlin time
>         G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 July 2016 at 10:00
> local Berlin time.
>         * VAT FAQ - http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html
>
> 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation:
>
>         After you complete the registration process, you may
>         request an electronic IETF letter of invitation. The
>         registration system also allows for you to request hard copy
>         IETF letters of invitation. You may request one at a later
>         time by following the link provided in the confirmation
>         email.
>
>         Please note that local letters of invitation for
>         inclusion with Visa applications will not be provided through
>         the IETF Registration system. To request a local letter of
>         invitation, see: http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html
>
>
> 3.  Accommodations:
>         The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms at the The
>         InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter's hotel. Room rates
>         include breakfast and in-room high-speed Internet access.
>
>         Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016
>         Reservations Link: https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016
>
>         The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms at the
>         Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel, which is
>         located right across the street from the InterContinental
>         Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-room high-speed
>         Internet access.
>
>         Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016
>         Reservations Link: https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598
>
>         For more information about accommodations during IETF 96, see:
>         http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html
>
>
>
>
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Hi,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>My experience for the last IETF in Berlin was =
quite straight forward, did not face any issue with the local letter of inv=
itation in Bangalore embassy.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,=C2=A0=
</div><div>Dhruv=C2=A0<span></span><br><br>On Tuesday 10 May 2016, Sudhin J=
acob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjacob@juniper.net">sjacob@juniper.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Vinay,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let me thank you for the help.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sudhin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Vinayak Hegde [mailto:<a href=
=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;vinayakh@gmail.com&#39;);" tar=
get=3D"_blank">vinayakh@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sudhin Jacob &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,=
&#39;sjacob@juniper.net&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">sjacob@juniper.net</a>&gt=
;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dhruv Dhody &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&=
#39;dhruv.ietf@gmail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;; <a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf-hub-bangalor=
e@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org</a>; <a hr=
ef=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf-community-india@ietf.or=
g&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-community-india@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ietf-hub-bangalore] [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 9=
6 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p>Hi Sudhin<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Last time the German embassy made a big fuss about a local letter (in Ge=
rman) and rejected my visa. Callously they did not bother to call the perso=
n or the number mentioned on the letter. I was told that letter was fraudul=
ent. I contacted VP of Deutsche
 Telekom (the host and the sponsor) and he called the foreign office to get=
 the embassy to give me a visa. He had to send a physical letter which was =
translated in German.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>But YMMV. Last week one of my friend got his visa in a day. But he was v=
isiting Munich only for a day (for interview). Visa process pretty much eve=
rywhere is crapshoot. Better to be prepared. Also talk to the embassy in Ba=
ngalore before applying.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Vinayak<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10 May 2016 6:53 p.m., &quot;Sudhin Jacob&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sjacob@juniper.net&#=
39;);" target=3D"_blank">sjacob@juniper.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi All,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is there any letter of invitation req=
uired for Visa or online IETF LOI will do. Do we require letters
 like in Argentina.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sudhin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Ietf-community-india [mailto:<=
a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf-community-india-bou=
nces@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-community-india-bounces@ietf.o=
rg</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 6:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf-hub-ban=
galore@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-hub-bangalore@ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf-community-india@ie=
tf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-community-india@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ietf-community-india] Fwd: IETF 96 - Registration and Hote=
l Reservations Now Open!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">FYI=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Registration is now open, note that you can and SHOULD=
 register as remote attendee incase you are attended remotely.=C2=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Thanks!=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">Dhruv=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#4c1130">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml=
&#39;,&#39;ietf-secretariat@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-secreta=
riat@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:33 AM<br>
Subject: IETF 96 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Now Open!<br>
To: IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#3=
9;,&#39;ietf-announce@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">ietf-announce@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;recentattendees@iet=
f.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">recentattendees@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;ietf@ietf.org&#39;);" t=
arget=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
IETF 96<br>
Berlin, Germany<br>
July 17 - 22, 2016<br>
Host: Juniper<br>
<br>
IETF 96 Information: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html" targ=
et=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/index.html</a><br>
Register online at: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/register.html</a><br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 Registration<br>
2.=C2=A0 Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations<br>
<br>
1. Registration:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A. Early-Bird Registration: USD 700.00 plus VAT=
*, if paid<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 in full prior to 23:59 UTC 8 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 B. After Early-Bird cutoff: USD 875.00 plus VAT=
*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 C. Full-time Student Registrations: USD 150.00 =
(with proper ID) plus VAT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 D. One Day Pass Registration: USD 375.00 plus V=
AT*<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 E. Registration Cancellation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cutoff for registration cancellation is Monday,=
 11 July 2016 at UTC 23:59.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent=
) cancellation fee if requested by<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that date and time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday,=
 15 July, 2016, 17:00 local Berlin time<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 G. On-site Registration begins on Sunday, 17 Ju=
ly 2016 at 10:00 local Berlin time.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * VAT FAQ - <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/=
96/vat-faq.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html</a><br>
<br>
2. Visas &amp; Letters of Invitation:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 After you complete the registration process, yo=
u may<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 request an electronic IETF letter of invitation=
. The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 registration system also allows for you to requ=
est hard copy<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IETF letters of invitation. You may request one=
 at a later<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 time by following the link provided in the conf=
irmation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that local letters of invitation fo=
r<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inclusion with Visa applications will not be pr=
ovided through<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the IETF Registration system. To request a loca=
l letter of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 invitation, see: <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/mee=
ting/96/local-loi.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://ietf.org/meeting/96/local-loi.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 Accommodations:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 480 guest rooms =
at the The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 InterContinental Berlin, the headquarter&#39;s =
hotel. Room rates<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 include breakfast and in-room high-speed Intern=
et access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 25 June 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://resweb.pa=
sskey.com/go/IETF2016" target=3D"_blank">
https://resweb.passkey.com/go/IETF2016</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF is holding a block of 250 guest rooms =
at the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, the overflow hotel=
, which is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 located right across the street from the InterC=
ontinental<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Berlin. Room rates include breakfast and in-roo=
m high-speed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet access.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservation Cutoff Date: 3 July 2016<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reservations Link: <a href=3D"https://aws.passk=
ey.com/e/13810598" target=3D"_blank">
https://aws.passkey.com/e/13810598</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For more information about accommodations durin=
g IETF 96, see:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.htm=
l" target=3D"_blank">http://ietf.org/meeting/96/hotel.html</a><u></u><u></u=
></p>
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