From nobody Sat Sep 24 13:17:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-message-headers@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-message-headers@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2532712B03F for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FkvvA3S1ccC5 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp08.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85AD812B040 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-pro-de-julien-elie.home ([92.170.5.52]) by mwinf5d31 with ME id nYHV1t00317Lgi403YHVNs; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:17:30 +0200 X-ME-Helo: macbook-pro-de-julien-elie.home X-ME-Auth: anVsaWVuLmVsaWU0ODdAd2FuYWRvby5mcg== X-ME-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:17:30 +0200 X-ME-IP: 92.170.5.52 To: ietf-message-headers@ietf.org, art@ietf.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?= Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:17:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-message-headers] X-Face, Face and X-Image-URL header fields X-BeenThere: ietf-message-headers@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for header fields used in Internet messaging applications." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:17:37 -0000 Hi, Couldn't the Message Headers IANA registry at reference the following three header fields used in mail and news messages? * X-Face for a black & white image * Face for a coloured image * X-Image-URL for a link to an image What astonishes me is that there is not much specification about them in the Internet. I found information in Emacs and gnus documentation, but I am unsure it is enough to be referenced in the above IANA registry: http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/face/ https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/X_002dFace.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/mh-e/Viewing.html Are you aware of any better specification? (Any Internet-Draft?) Were these header fields already discussed in an ART WG? -- Julien ÉLIE « Un voyage de mille lieues commence toujours par un premier pas. » (Lao Zi) From nobody Sun Sep 25 07:10:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-message-headers@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-message-headers@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58A012B235; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.316, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=wordtothewise.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fQ1yin4U7Ee; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wordtothewise.com (mail.wordtothewise.com [IPv6:2001:470:1:6d::9a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA09A12B233; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:33:2c4e:c643:b0d5:8b45] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:33:2c4e:c643:b0d5:8b45]) by mail.wordtothewise.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE8252337C; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=wordtothewise.com; s=aardvark; t=1474812655; bh=EPCu3/PLXDdVy5szwBTatNwK5Tt1A+hgWIQg4nrDCKI=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=q89RYg7YvvRaF8wKxDPXFe6Q21ywOugytcbkjAwuy9eHfUD42o9EQAhpX1084adp/ c5lKUaXVl1wDfHdm+4AFL5SCHUWrDLbFQvnI4taTm7mcq8IXSOowP55or9/NVlVOEs zT+iUqsSaX7TYCiitDTa82lnTth0wDbiKY8iWLiU= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Steve Atkins In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:09:45 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1D6751CE-D9E1-446E-8140-0A1694A160E9@wordtothewise.com> References: To: art@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: ietf-message-headers@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-message-headers] [art] X-Face, Face and X-Image-URL header fields X-BeenThere: ietf-message-headers@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for header fields used in Internet messaging applications." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:10:32 -0000 > On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Julien =C3=89LIE = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Couldn't the Message Headers IANA registry at = = reference the following three header fields used in mail and news = messages? >=20 > * X-Face for a black & white image > * Face for a coloured image > * X-Image-URL for a link to an image >=20 >=20 > What astonishes me is that there is not much specification about them = in the Internet. I found information in Emacs and gnus documentation, = but I am unsure it is enough to be referenced in the above IANA = registry: >=20 > http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/face/ > = https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/X_002dFace.html > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/mh-e/Viewing.html >=20 >=20 > Are you aware of any better specification? =20 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/ftp/faces/index.html has more support for = them. There might be a spec in there somewhere, but I suspect that the = implementation by compface is what defines it. > (Any Internet-Draft?) Not that I know of, though they've been mentioned in lists of = non-standard headers several times. > Were these header fields already discussed in an ART WG? Not that I recall. Any discussion of them would probably touch on picons = and gravatars too. 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Worley) To: Julien =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89LIE?= In-Reply-To: (julien@trigofacile.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 10:48:09 -0400 Message-ID: <871t0690pi.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfK+cG9F7UYTwIecgfS4QQVLct77r4NdQpgTZVryEq/Se2V8SvkHogEhCRdvSa9ov/CryNgTh7A0CjcrjNzxt0IY7epwLmpMs+so0sV8P9yrZH/FtYYYi vNduefAuCzJyThld9V2Etq7oX1aw16viia4CPF1fIealwTAUs5dYTD+LgTbmwPcyCtgP9TE74UcAVYLiaiqytNvpAtz4lYAjoMTSB99o84N/x9S7XKAgT4ha 0ZqWtceSZzxeOXT6iz+brA== Archived-At: Cc: art@ietf.org, ietf-message-headers@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-message-headers] [art] X-Face, Face and X-Image-URL header fields X-BeenThere: ietf-message-headers@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for header fields used in Internet messaging applications." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:48:17 -0000 Julien =C3=89LIE writes: > Couldn't the Message Headers IANA registry at=20 > =20 > reference the following three header fields used in mail and news message= s? > > * X-Face for a black & white image > * Face for a coloured image > * X-Image-URL for a link to an image I doubt there has been any attempt to specify them. Certainly the ones starting with "X-" were considered experimental by whoever invented them. If I read the IANA page correctly, the registration procedures for headers are specified in RFC 3864, section 4. Dale