From ima-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 3 04:47:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86BB28C658; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:47:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048273A6F6A for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QtdZW5vQkvnL for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE4928C633 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1257B2597E4 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:47:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25759-03 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.28.60.80] (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4463F2597DC for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47F4C3C6.7070109@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:47:18 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14ubu (X11/20080306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EAI WG X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Subject: [EAI] Minutes from IETF 71 meeting X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org The minutes from Philadelphia are now uploaded to the meeting materials server: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/eai.txt I wish to especially thank Andrew Sullivan for his great work in preparing these. Harald _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 3 05:42:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D553A691A; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:42:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA49B28C5FB for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8sKxqNqSDFpZ for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74473A691A for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B810D2597E4 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:42:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27134-03 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.28.60.80] (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D4F2597DC for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47F4D09F.2000409@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:42:07 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14ubu (X11/20080306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EAI WG X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Subject: [EAI] Decisions from IETF 71 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org All decisions at face-to-face meetings need to be confirmed on the mailing list. Here's a list of things that I think are uncontroversial; anyone who thinks they need further discussion needs to speak up now! - Downgrade draft: -07 version will have a 2-week WG Last Call, and then be sent to the IESG for processing. - Worry point: Whether this can be done independently of mailto and mailinglist - POP/IMAP: One more round of revisions is expected, then we do WG Last Call. That is, we believe all the issues are on the table now, and editors know how to resolve them. - Scenarios: Useful bits will be folded into a -framework-bis document, once that is created. Current document will not be carried forward. - email-clients and downgraded-display: Will be added to the revised charter for the WG. - New charter: Will be based on using the spring to finish up the current document set, starting an effort to make a standards-track document set in the fall of 2008, and have a standards-track proposal to the IESG by the end of 2008. I'll send another mail with "stuff that we still need to talk about". Harald _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 3 06:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9AA28C67B; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0080028C680 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.804, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dykVSz-m0BxB for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A103128C67B for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JhPVi-0002xp-Th for ima@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:29:48 +0000 Received: from hmbg-d9b88e0a.pool.mediaways.net ([217.184.142.10]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:29:46 +0000 Received: from nobody by hmbg-d9b88e0a.pool.mediaways.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:29:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ima@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:31:56 +0200 Organization: Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <47F4D09F.2000409@alvestrand.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: hmbg-d9b88e0a.pool.mediaways.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Subject: Re: [EAI] Decisions from IETF 71 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Ellermann List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org Harald Alvestrand wrote: > - Scenarios: Useful bits will be folded into a -framework-bis > document, once that is created. Current document will not be > carried forward. The minutes and this article are the first time that I heard of a proposal to create a revised framework. Adding the scenarios to this revision might be a good idea. > I'll send another mail with "stuff that we still need to talk > about". Proposal: mailto-bis, Mailto-bis, ..., MAILTO-BIS, and then the same trick with mailto-eai. The minutes mention an idea to use a new scheme for mailto-eai. I'm not spontaneuosly convinced that this is a good idea. Frank _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 4 13:45:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD823A6FD3; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@ietf.org Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 094C93A6CEB; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: <20080404204502.094C93A6CEB@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF. Title : SMTP extension for internationalized email address Author(s) : J. Yao, W. MAO Filename : draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2008-4-4 This document specifies an SMTP extension for transport and delivery of email messages with internationalized email addresses or header information. Communication with systems that do not implement this specification is specified in another document. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-4-4134141.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima --NextPart-- From ima-bounces@ietf.org Sun Apr 13 22:54:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109EB3A6B25; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871C23A6876 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.78 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.78 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.781, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lx+KBbCPdL+e for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB8D3A67FF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JlHeg-0008Qv-MZ for ima@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:55:02 +0000 Received: from hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net ([217.184.142.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:55:02 +0000 Received: from nobody by hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:55:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ima@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:54:14 +0200 Organization: Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Subject: [EAI] SPF I18N X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Ellermann List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I've started an SPF I18N page also covering EAI, please let me know what you think about it: Frank _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Mon Apr 14 10:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD5128C35E; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@ietf.org Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D00A028C349; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: <20080414171501.D00A028C349@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internationalized Email Headers Author(s) : J. Yeh Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2008-4-14 Full internationalization of electronic mail requires not only the capability to transmit non-ASCII content, to encode selected information in specific header fields, and to use non-ASCII characters in envelope addresses. It also requires being able to express those addresses and information based on them in mail header fields. This document specifies an experimental variant of Internet mail that permits the use of Unicode encoded in UTF-8, rather than ASCII, as the base form for Internet email header field bodies. This form is permitted in transmission only if authorized by an SMTP extension, as specified in an associated specification. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-4-14100228.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima --NextPart-- From ima-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 15 21:33:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8023628C157; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ABA28C157 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mcGLZMyziSNj for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (send01.jprs.co.jp [202.11.17.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AB328C0FE for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3G4YCaE024437 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: (from localhost [172.18.4.57]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.0.4.64) with SMTP id M2008041613341713682 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:34:17 +0900 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:34:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20080416.133417.241447306.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> To: ima@ietf.org From: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp In-Reply-To: <01fe01c88631$782aced0$45fda8c0@afilias.com> References: <20080314033735.d7bc3652.yone@jprs.co.jp> <01fe01c88631$782aced0$45fda8c0@afilias.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.0.50 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [EAI] EAI implementations and interoperability testing X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org Is this test working ? I added 'Web mail client' to my implementation. It is also written from scratch and written in perl-5.8.8. # The client has minimal functions. It can handle UTF8 header fields, # envelopes, downgraded messages, but it cannot handle multipart # messages. I can send EAI emails easily now. If you are interested in my implementation, please contact me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JPRS' implementation [2008/4/16] Tools: (text editor+) (IM+) Impls: Sender Submission SMTPreceiver Downgrade Docs: [S+U] [S+U+d] [S+U] [S+U+e] Funcs: UA============>MSA===============>MDA------------->UA Proto: submission SMTP file(Maildir) (SMTP) # This chart is not good. I can't write multiple MUAs in one chart. Web Mail Web Mail Impls: mail.cgi Submission SMTPreceiver mail.cgi Docs: [S+U] [S+U+d] [S+U] [S+U+e] Funcs: UA ===========>MSA===============>MDA------------->UA Proto: submission SMTP file(Maildir) [S]: draft-ietf-eai-smtpext [U]: draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers [D]: draft-ietf-eai-dsn [d]: draft-ietf-eai-downgrade [P]: draft-ietf-eai-pop [e]: draft-(ietf|fujiwara)-eai-downgraded-display -- Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Wed Apr 16 16:14:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5518E28C4C7; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C087028C4C7 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.263, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQf-reAKXkXZ for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E3828C0F7 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JmGpo-0002No-L8 for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:14:36 +0000 Received: from hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net ([217.184.142.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:14:36 +0000 Received: from nobody by hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:14:36 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ima@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:17:25 +0200 Organization: Lines: 104 Message-ID: References: <20080414171501.D00A028C349__20286.5365580239$1208194641$gmane$org@core3.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: hmbg-d9b88e19.pool.mediaways.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Subject: Re: [EAI] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Ellermann List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org > Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt --- In 1.1, bullet 3, please strike "And, finally," (the final bullet 3 was removed swapping 2 & 3) --- Please promote reference [I-D.ietf-eai-smtpext] to "normative". --- In chapter 3 (terminology) please adjust the commas between [RFC2821] ,[RFC2822] , [RFC4592] --- In chapter 4.1 is apparently wrong (?) | UTF8-4 = %xF0 %x90-BF 2(UTF8-tail) / - %xF1-F7 3(UTF8-tail) | UTF8-4 = %xF0 %x90-BF 2(UTF8-tail) / + %xF1-F3 3(UTF8-tail) / + %xF4 %x80-8F 2(UTF8-tail) (Makes no sense to get F0 right if F4 is wrong) --- - For keeping informations, using UTF8 to normalize - texts and recipient address is needed. It's refered - to [RFC5198]. And [RFC5198] has a discussion of - issues on recommended practices for normalizing text - before sending. normalized versus non-normalized - text. + See [RFC5198] for a discussion of normalization, + the use of normalization form NFC is RECOMMENDED. (As far as I'm concerned RFC 5198 can be "normative") --- In chapter 4.3 *copying* the syntax of FWS and CFWS is IMO a bad idea, simply *import* it, example: - FWS = ([*WSP CRLF] 1*WSP) / obs-FWS - ; Folding white space + FWS = --- Pleae replace "characters in ,which" ... by "characters in , which" ... This affects not only Message-ID header fields, it is also about References and In-Reply-To. I don't understand in which way this is "not allowed due to the limitation described in Section 4.4", but allowing it would certainly cause havoc. --- is just sick, but I mentioned this often enough. --- - [NOTE IN DRAFT] ... (twice, this is supposed to be already cleaned up, please do). --- - To able to use UTF-8 on Content-Description header field on - [RFC2045], following syntax is used | description = "Content-Description:" unstructured CRLF | - syntax is extended on next chapter to allow UTF-8 - characters on header fields. + To allow the use of UTF-8 in a Content-Description header + field [RFC2045], the following syntax is used: | description = "Content-Description:" unstructured CRLF | + The syntax is extended above to allow UTF-8 in all + header fields. (It's not in the next chapter, it's above) --- Chapter 4.4: - alt-address = [FWS] "<" addr-spec ">" + alt-address = FWS "<" addr-spec ">" (not optional, we intentionally want a visible separator) --- Chapter 6: - Since the message/global is defined in this document, IANA - considerations needs to say that IANA is requested to register it. Yes, that is exactly the idea, but you could simply say: + IANA is asked to register the message/global MIME type + using the registration form contained in chapter 4.4. --- Frank _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 22 10:45:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60453A6AB7; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@ietf.org Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4AA153A6845; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: <20080422174501.4AA153A6845@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internationalized Email Headers Author(s) : J. Yeh Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2008-4-22 Full internationalization of electronic mail requires not only the capability to transmit non-ASCII content, to encode selected information in specific header fields, and to use non-ASCII characters in envelope addresses. It also requires being able to express those addresses and information based on them in mail header fields. This document specifies an experimental variant of Internet mail that permits the use of Unicode encoded in UTF-8, rather than ASCII, as the base form for Internet email header field bodies. This form is permitted in transmission only if authorized by an SMTP extension, as specified in an associated specification. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-4-22103213.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima --NextPart-- From ima-bounces@ietf.org Tue Apr 22 13:35:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E863A6E07; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76B63A6E07 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:35:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PxTXWwxZ1SHS for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFE03A6A5D for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JoPCk-0005ef-0i for ima@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:35:06 +0000 Received: from hmbg-d9b88e12.pool.mediaways.net ([217.184.142.18]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:35:06 +0000 Received: from nobody by hmbg-d9b88e12.pool.mediaways.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:35:06 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ima@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:06:37 +0200 Organization: Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <20080414171501.D00A028C349__20286.5365580239$1208194641$gmane$org@core3.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: hmbg-d9b88e12.pool.mediaways.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Subject: [EAI] utf8headers-11 (was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt) X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Ellermann List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org >> Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt [...] 13 of 13 nits fixed in draft 11, the RFC-editor can remove the remaining [NOTE IN DRFAFT] in 4.3 as they see fit. Thanks, Frank _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima From ima-bounces@ietf.org Thu Apr 24 12:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ima-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EF328C2E3; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ima@ietf.org Delivered-To: ima@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 3B7603A68F8; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: <20080424190001.3B7603A68F8@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action:draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8-03.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ima-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ima-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP Support for UTF-8 Author(s) : P. Resnick, C. Newman Filename : draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8-03.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2008-04-24 This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support unencoded international characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers. This is an early draft and intended as a framework for discussion. Please do not deploy implementations of this draft. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-04-24115425.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima --NextPart--