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I personally don't think it's likely to have "leaked", and if it did "leak"=
, then the people that knew about it would fix it and want to update those =
anyway, so I can't get excited about changing the name.

-Shawn
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:01:13 -0400
From: Tony Hansen <tony@att.com>
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While preparing 5337 bis, Internationalized Delivery Status and Disposition=
 Notifications, discussion with my co-authors brought up the question as to=
 whether the registered names need to be changed.

In particular, Chris wrote to me:

----
If we assume the experiment never leaked, we can re-use names, I suppose.

Otherwise, we should consider changing names to avoid conflicts. =20
Changing the address type from "utf-8" to, say, "utf8" would be simple to m=
ake it clear the new label can never have the <addr <addr>> syntax
-- I presently lean towards doing that.

We don't have to change the notary media type (message/global-delivery-stat=
us), since the address type label change suffices.

But we might choose to change the type name for "message/global" and "messa=
ge/global-headers" if we want to create a new type that disallows <addr <ad=
dr>> syntax for addresses.  However that change is less necessary since the=
 simplified EAI proposal is a subset of the original media type.  I'd be in=
clined to just live with the possibility of leaked <addr <addr>> in message=
/global* just to avoid the pain of choosing a new type name for that.
----

So the questions to the mailing list is:

1) Should the address type be changed from UTF-8 to UTF8?

2) Should the internationalized notary media type change its name from mess=
age/global-delivery-status?

3) Should the internationalized message content type change its name from m=
essage/global?

4) Should the internationalized headers content type change its name from m=
essage/global-headers?

Discussion please.

     Tony Hansen
     tony@att.com



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Hello,

I read draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02 and I have a few comments.

In the Abstract Section:

   "This specification Updates"

That should be "updates".

In Section 1.2:

   "This document also updates [RFC5322] and MIME ([RFC2045]), and people
    who participate in the experiment have to swich to this document."

As the intended status of the document is Standards Track, the 
"participate in the experiment" is no longer applicable.  I suggest 
removing that sentence and adding:

   This document also updates RFC5322

at the end of the first paragraph of that section.

In Section 4:

   "To permit UTF-8 characters in field values, the header definition in
    [RFC5322] must be extended to support the new format."

I suggest the following to avoid the "must".

    To permit UTF-8 characters in field values, the header definition in
    [RFC5322] is extended to support the new format.

In Section 4.4:

    "DISPLAY_NAME" <ASCII@ASCII>
      ; traditional mailbox format

I suggest labelling that "standard mailbox format"

In Section 4.5:

    "For" fields containing internationalized addresses are allowed, by
    use of the new uFor syntax.

I suggest a rewrite:

   The uFor syntax has been added to allow the use of internationalized
   addresses in "For" fields.

  'The "Return-Path" header field provides the email return address in
   the mail delivery.'

I suggest:

   The "Return-path" designates the address to which messages indicating
   non-delivery or other mail system failures are to be sent.

In Section 4.6:

   "Internationalized messages must only be transmitted as authorized by
    [I-D.yao-eai-rfc5336bis] or within a non-SMTP environment which
    supports these messages."

I suggest using "MUST".

   "The type message/global is similar to message/rfc822, except that it
    contains a message that can contain UTF-8 characters in the headers
    of the message or body parts."

I suggest:

   The type message/global is similar to message/rfc822, except that it
   specifies that a message can contain UTF-8 characters in the headers
   of the message or body parts.

  '(Note that a system compliant with MIME that doesn't recognize
    message/global would treat it as "application/octet-stream" as
    described in Section 5.2.4 of [RFC2046].'

I suggest:

    (Note that a system compliant with MIME that doesn't recognize
    message/global MUST treat it as "application/octet-stream" as
    described in Section 5.2.4 of [RFC2046].

Regards,
-sm


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Hello,

I have a few comments about draft-ietf-eai-rfc5336bis-03.  In the 
Abstract Section:

   "Communication with systems that do not implement this
    specification is specified in another document."

I suggest removing that sentence.

In the Introduction Section:

   "An internationalized email address includes two parts, the local part
    and the domain part.  The ways email addresses are used by protocols
    are different from the ways domain names are used.  The most critical
    difference is that emails are delivered through a chain of clients
    and servers, while domain names are resolved by name servers looking
    up those names in their own tables."

The difference between email addresses and domain names is that the 
domain part of email addresses can be resolved using DNS at any point 
during message transit whereas the local-part can only be interpreted 
and assigned semantics by the host specified in the domain part of the address.

I suggest removing the "In addition to this,".

In Section 3.2:

   'If the original client submits a message to a Message Submission
    Server ("MSA") [RFC4409], it is the responsibility of the MSA that
    all domain labels are valid; otherwise, it is the original client's
    responsibility.'

I suggest a rewrite:

   When a Message User Agent submits a message to a Message Submission
   Server ("MSA") [RFC4409], it is the responsibility of the MSA to
   ensure that all domain labels are valid.

I did not include "original client's responsibility" as it is not 
clear where the responsibility lies.

   "A UTF8SMTPbis aware MUA/MSA sending to a legacy SMTP server [RFC5321]
    and [RFC5322] MAY convert the ASCII@non-ASCII addresse"

There is a typo for "address".

In Section 4, could the "UTF-8 header message can't be transferred" 
be changed to:

   UTF-8 header message cannot be transferred

Regards,
-sm





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At 18:01 30-09-10, Tony Hansen wrote:
>While preparing 5337 bis, Internationalized Delivery Status and 
>Disposition Notifications, discussion with my co-authors brought up 
>the question as to whether the registered names need to be changed.

[snip]

I don't feel strongly about this.

>So the questions to the mailing list is:
>
>1) Should the address type be changed from UTF-8 to UTF8?

Yes, because to the syntax change.

>2) Should the internationalized notary media type change its name 
>from message/global-delivery-status?
>
>3) Should the internationalized message content type change its name 
>from message/global?
>
>4) Should the internationalized headers content type change its name 
>from message/global-headers?

No to the above as it is not much of a change from the original 
proposal.  It also avoids having to choose an appropriate name.

Regards,
-sm 


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All,

The tentative schedule for EAI at IETF 79 is published.  The WG =
scheduled to meet at Tuesday 9am (Nov 9 Beijing local time).

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/79/agenda.html

Please comment for potential conflicts & changes needed.

Thanks
Joseph=

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It is great that to have only one reference of ABNF, less likely to have =
editing mistakes, and we do have few for RFC5335bis.

The 3 terms mentioned by Ernie are not in the docs, and they all were =
defined in the original RFC5336 (Section 3.3).  Since we are obsoleting =
both RFC5335 and RFC5336, it would be nice to include these references =
in the current bis.  This would speed up IESG review too :)

Thanks
Joseph

On 2010-09-29, at 9:15 PM, Ernie Dainow wrote:

> Regarding Comment 2, The following are not defined anywhere. They =
should be added to rfc5335bis-02.
> uDomain
> uDot-String
> sub-uDomain
>=20
> Here is the result of searching the two documents:
>=20
> Search "uDot-String"
> draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02.txt
> Line 412: uLocal-Part    =3D  uDot-String / uQuoted-String
>=20
> Search "sub-uDomain"
> draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02.txt
> Line 415:                =3D  (sub-uDomain 1*("." sub-uDomain)) / =
address-literal
>=20
> So sub-uDomain and uDot-String need to be defined somewhere.
>=20
> In rfc5336bis-03
>            uMailbox =3D uLocal-part "@" uDomain
>              ; uLocal-part and uDomain defined
>              ; in RFC 5335bis, Section 4.
>=20
> uLocal-part is defined in rfc5335bis-02 but uDomain is not.
>=20
>=20
> -Ernie
>=20
>=20
> On 9/28/2010 5:13 AM, Jiankang YAO wrote:
>> in the current version of the documents, the name defination of =
rfc5335bis and 5336bis  follow the same rule
>> with the prefix "u" plus the original name:
>> local-part---->uLocal-part
>>=20
>> defintion of some names in rfc5336bis refer to 5335bis ABNF
>> if they try to do difine the "same names".
>>=20
>> Jiankang Yao
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ernie Dainow"<edainow@ca.afilias.info>
>> To: "John C Klensin"<klensin@jck.com>
>> Cc:<ima@ietf.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [EAI] Framework (4952bis) approved... next steps
>>=20
>>=20
>>  =20
>>>  I posted comments on 5335bis, 5336bis in three emails on Sep 8.  =
Most
>>> of the comments were editorial in nature to improve readability.
>>> However, one comment pertains to an error in that three referenced =
ABNF
>>> rules are not defined.
>>>=20
>>> There was no follow-up discussion on these emails, so I don't know =
if
>>> the original comments have been accepted or not.
>>>=20
>>> -Ernie
>>>=20
>>> On 9/23/2010 5:14 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>    =20
>>>> Hi.
>>>>=20
>>>> The IESG approved 4952bis today and a new --I hope final-- I-D
>>>> has been posted.
>>>>=20
>>>> The charter says that we are supposed to wrap up three more
>>>> documents this month (within the next week and a half):
>>>>=20
>>>> SMTPext (5336bis)
>>>> Headers (5335bis)
>>>> DSNs, etc. (5337bis)
>>>>=20
>>>> My impression is that the first two are pretty close to being
>>>> ready to go, so anyone who thinks they need more work should
>>>> explain what they think is needed, with text, soon --certainly
>>>> by this time next week.  Consider this a tentative WG Last Call
>>>> on both documents.
>>>>=20
>>>> If they are actually stable, we need to start pushing ahead with
>>>> the next batch of documents (for which we don't even have I-Ds
>>>> yet).
>>>>=20
>>>> We apparently still don't have an I-D for 5337bis, which is now
>>>> very much in the critical path.  Tony, what is a realistic
>>>> schedule?
>>>>=20
>>>> thanks,
>>>>       john
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:16 AM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02 and I have a few comments.
>
> In the Abstract Section:
>
> =C2=A0"This specification Updates"
>
> That should be "updates".

+1

>
> In Section 1.2:
>
> =C2=A0"This document also updates [RFC5322] and MIME ([RFC2045]), and peo=
ple
> =C2=A0 who participate in the experiment have to swich to this document."
>
> As the intended status of the document is Standards Track, the "participa=
te
> in the experiment" is no longer applicable. =C2=A0I suggest removing that
> sentence and adding:
>
> =C2=A0This document also updates RFC5322
>
> at the end of the first paragraph of that section.

<individual>
Maybe mention the Experimental Draft? So that the whole thing says:

"This document also updates [RFC5322] and MIME[RFC2045], and obsolete
the Experimental Internationalized Email Header [RFC5335]."

Since the beginning of this doc already mention the obsolete of
RFC5335, I like SM's suggestions too.

</individual>

>
> In Section 4:
>
> =C2=A0"To permit UTF-8 characters in field values, the header definition =
in
> =C2=A0 [RFC5322] must be extended to support the new format."
>
> I suggest the following to avoid the "must".
>
> =C2=A0 To permit UTF-8 characters in field values, the header definition =
in
> =C2=A0 [RFC5322] is extended to support the new format.

<individual>
I think both are fine, personally like the suggested text more.
</individual>

>
> In Section 4.4:
>
> =C2=A0 "DISPLAY_NAME" <ASCII@ASCII>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ; traditional mailbox format
>
> I suggest labelling that "standard mailbox format"


<chair>
concern: If we label this "standard", will users confuse as this is
the only format?  This part is showing examples, and the one below is
an UTF8 example, didn't use any word "standard" nor "new",
"extended".....

If we changed it the first one to standard, I think we should change
the second one's comment.
</chair>

>
> In Section 4.5:
>
> =C2=A0 "For" fields containing internationalized addresses are allowed, b=
y
> =C2=A0 use of the new uFor syntax.
>
> I suggest a rewrite:
>
> =C2=A0The uFor syntax has been added to allow the use of internationalize=
d
> =C2=A0addresses in "For" fields.

<chair>
The suggested text reads better.
</chair>

>
> =C2=A0'The "Return-Path" header field provides the email return address i=
n
> =C2=A0the mail delivery.'
>
> I suggest:
>
> =C2=A0The "Return-path" designates the address to which messages indicati=
ng
> =C2=A0non-delivery or other mail system failures are to be sent.

<individual>
"Return-Path" is not for error case only right?

How about:
The "Return-Path" whose primary purpose is to designate ..... (follow
the rest of suggestion)

</individual>

>
> In Section 4.6:
>
> =C2=A0"Internationalized messages must only be transmitted as authorized =
by
> =C2=A0 [I-D.yao-eai-rfc5336bis] or within a non-SMTP environment which
> =C2=A0 supports these messages."
>
> I suggest using "MUST".

+1

>
> =C2=A0"The type message/global is similar to message/rfc822, except that =
it
> =C2=A0 contains a message that can contain UTF-8 characters in the header=
s
> =C2=A0 of the message or body parts."
>
> I suggest:
>
> =C2=A0The type message/global is similar to message/rfc822, except that i=
t
> =C2=A0specifies that a message can contain UTF-8 characters in the header=
s
> =C2=A0of the message or body parts.

<chair>
Recommend to use the suggested text.
</chair>

>
> =C2=A0'(Note that a system compliant with MIME that doesn't recognize
> =C2=A0 message/global would treat it as "application/octet-stream" as
> =C2=A0 described in Section 5.2.4 of [RFC2046].'
>
> I suggest:
>
> =C2=A0 (Note that a system compliant with MIME that doesn't recognize
> =C2=A0 message/global MUST treat it as "application/octet-stream" as
> =C2=A0 described in Section 5.2.4 of [RFC2046].

<chair>
Agreed.  The source used 'must'.
</chair>


Thanks for the suggestions
Joseph

>
> Regards,
> -sm
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On 2010-10-04, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Yee wrote:

> It is great that to have only one reference of ABNF, less likely to =
have editing mistakes, and we do have few for RFC5335bis.
>=20
> The 3 terms mentioned by Ernie are not in the docs, and they all were =
defined in the original RFC5336 (Section 3.3).  Since we are obsoleting =
both RFC5335 and RFC5336, it would be nice to include these references =
in the current bis.  This would speed up IESG review too :)

correction: I meant to include these *definitions* in the current bis.

Joseph

>=20
> Thanks
> Joseph
>=20
> On 2010-09-29, at 9:15 PM, Ernie Dainow wrote:
>=20
>> Regarding Comment 2, The following are not defined anywhere. They =
should be added to rfc5335bis-02.
>> uDomain
>> uDot-String
>> sub-uDomain
>>=20
>> Here is the result of searching the two documents:
>>=20
>> Search "uDot-String"
>> draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02.txt
>> Line 412: uLocal-Part    =3D  uDot-String / uQuoted-String
>>=20
>> Search "sub-uDomain"
>> draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-02.txt
>> Line 415:                =3D  (sub-uDomain 1*("." sub-uDomain)) / =
address-literal
>>=20
>> So sub-uDomain and uDot-String need to be defined somewhere.
>>=20
>> In rfc5336bis-03
>>           uMailbox =3D uLocal-part "@" uDomain
>>             ; uLocal-part and uDomain defined
>>             ; in RFC 5335bis, Section 4.
>>=20
>> uLocal-part is defined in rfc5335bis-02 but uDomain is not.
>>=20
>>=20
>> -Ernie
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 9/28/2010 5:13 AM, Jiankang YAO wrote:
>>> in the current version of the documents, the name defination of =
rfc5335bis and 5336bis  follow the same rule
>>> with the prefix "u" plus the original name:
>>> local-part---->uLocal-part
>>>=20
>>> defintion of some names in rfc5336bis refer to 5335bis ABNF
>>> if they try to do difine the "same names".
>>>=20
>>> Jiankang Yao
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ernie Dainow"<edainow@ca.afilias.info>
>>> To: "John C Klensin"<klensin@jck.com>
>>> Cc:<ima@ietf.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [EAI] Framework (4952bis) approved... next steps
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> I posted comments on 5335bis, 5336bis in three emails on Sep 8.  =
Most
>>>> of the comments were editorial in nature to improve readability.
>>>> However, one comment pertains to an error in that three referenced =
ABNF
>>>> rules are not defined.
>>>>=20
>>>> There was no follow-up discussion on these emails, so I don't know =
if
>>>> the original comments have been accepted or not.
>>>>=20
>>>> -Ernie
>>>>=20
>>>> On 9/23/2010 5:14 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The IESG approved 4952bis today and a new --I hope final-- I-D
>>>>> has been posted.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The charter says that we are supposed to wrap up three more
>>>>> documents this month (within the next week and a half):
>>>>>=20
>>>>> SMTPext (5336bis)
>>>>> Headers (5335bis)
>>>>> DSNs, etc. (5337bis)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> My impression is that the first two are pretty close to being
>>>>> ready to go, so anyone who thinks they need more work should
>>>>> explain what they think is needed, with text, soon --certainly
>>>>> by this time next week.  Consider this a tentative WG Last Call
>>>>> on both documents.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If they are actually stable, we need to start pushing ahead with
>>>>> the next batch of documents (for which we don't even have I-Ds
>>>>> yet).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We apparently still don't have an I-D for 5337bis, which is now
>>>>> very much in the critical path.  Tony, what is a realistic
>>>>> schedule?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>      john
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        RFC 5983

        Title:      Mailing Lists and Internationalized Email 
                    Addresses 
        Author:     R. Gellens
        Status:     Experimental
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       October 2010
        Mailbox:    rg+ietf@qualcomm.com
        Pages:      10
        Characters: 24462
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        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-eai-mailinglist-07.txt

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FYI.    Regards,   Martin.

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         RFC 6068

         Title:      The 'mailto' URI Scheme
         Author:     M. Duerst, L. Masinter,
                     J. Zawinski
         Status:     Standards Track
         Stream:     IETF
         Date:       October 2010
         Mailbox:    duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp,
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                     jwz@jwz.org
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         Characters: 36683
         Obsoletes:  RFC2368

         I-D Tag:    draft-duerst-mailto-bis-10.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6068.txt

This document defines the format of Uniform Resource Identifiers
(URIs) to identify resources that are reached using Internet mail.
It adds better internationalization and compatibility with
Internationalized Resource Identifiers (IRIs; RFC 3987) to the
previous syntax of 'mailto' URIs (RFC 2368).  [STANDARDS TRACK]

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I'd prefer not to change UTF-8 to UTF8. Among else, UTF8 is a label for 
an encoding that's almost, but not exactly UTF-8 (they store characters 
U+10000 and beyond as a pair of surrogates, i.e. 6 bytes, instead of 4 
bytes as UTF-8 requires it) in Oracle databases.

Regards,    Martin.

On 2010/10/01 10:01, Tony Hansen wrote:
> While preparing 5337 bis, Internationalized Delivery Status and
> Disposition Notifications, discussion with my co-authors brought up the
> question as to whether the registered names need to be changed.
>
> In particular, Chris wrote to me:
>
> ----
> If we assume the experiment never leaked, we can re-use names, I suppose.
>
> Otherwise, we should consider changing names to avoid conflicts.
> Changing the address type from "utf-8" to, say, "utf8" would be simple
> to make it clear the new label can never have the <addr <addr>> syntax
> -- I presently lean towards doing that.
>
> We don't have to change the notary media type
> (message/global-delivery-status), since the address type label change
> suffices.
>
> But we might choose to change the type name for "message/global" and
> "message/global-headers" if we want to create a new type that disallows
> <addr <addr>> syntax for addresses. However that change is less
> necessary since the simplified EAI proposal is a subset of the original
> media type. I'd be inclined to just live with the possibility of leaked
> <addr <addr>> in message/global* just to avoid the pain of choosing a
> new type name for that.
> ----
>
> So the questions to the mailing list is:
>
> 1) Should the address type be changed from UTF-8 to UTF8?
>
> 2) Should the internationalized notary media type change its name from
> message/global-delivery-status?
>
> 3) Should the internationalized message content type change its name
> from message/global?
>
> 4) Should the internationalized headers content type change its name
> from message/global-headers?
>
> Discussion please.
>
> Tony Hansen
> tony@att.com
> _______________________________________________
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> IMA@ietf.org
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>
>

-- 
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	Title           : Post-delivery Message Downgrading for Internationalized Email Messages
	Author(s)       : K. Fujiwara
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-00.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2010-10-14

The Email Address Internationalization (UTF8SMTP) extension allows
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Hi Joseph,
At 12:50 04-10-10, Joseph Yee wrote:
><individual>
>Maybe mention the Experimental Draft? So that the whole thing says:
>
>"This document also updates [RFC5322] and MIME[RFC2045], and obsolete
>the Experimental Internationalized Email Header [RFC5335]."

I suggest using:

   This document also updates [RFC5322] and MIME[RFC2045], and obsoletes
   [RFC5335].

I avoided using the title of RFC 5335 as it may be 
misunderstood.  It's fine with me if you use your version of the text.

><chair>
>concern: If we label this "standard", will users confuse as this is
>the only format?  This part is showing examples, and the one below is
>an UTF8 example, didn't use any word "standard" nor "new",
>"extended".....
>
>If we changed it the first one to standard, I think we should change
>the second one's comment.
></chair>

This is up to the WG Chair to decide.

><individual>
>"Return-Path" is not for error case only right?

It is also used for for delivery status messages and other automatic responses.

>How about:
>The "Return-Path" whose primary purpose is to designate ..... (follow
>the rest of suggestion)
>
></individual>

That's fine with me.

In the IANA Considerations Section:

   "IANA has registered the message/global MIME type using the
    registration form contained in Section 4.4."

That should be Section 4.6.  I don't know why the reference was to 
Section 4.4 in RFC 5335.

Regards,
-sm 


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Greeting all,

IETF79 is getting closer in about 3 weeks and we will meet at Nov 8.   =
There are two cutoff dates for IETF draft.  The initial document (-00) =
cutoff date is today at 5:00pm Pacific Time (about 8 hours from now).  =
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A friendly reminder to all editors to post an updated revision before =
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as soon as possible if there's any. =20

Thanks,
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : Internationalized Delivery Status and Disposition Notifications
	Author(s)       : T. Hansen, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-rfc5337bis-dsn-00.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2010-10-18

Delivery status notifications (DSNs) are critical to the correct
operation of an email system.  However, the existing Draft Standards
(RFC 3461, RFC 3462, RFC 3464) are presently limited to US-ASCII text
in the machine-readable portions of the protocol.  This specification
adds a new address type for international email addresses so an
original recipient address with non-US-ASCII characters can be
correctly preserved even after downgrading.  This also provides
updated content return media types for delivery status notifications
and message disposition notifications to support use of the new
address type.

This document extends RFC 3461, RFC 3462, RFC 3464, and RFC 3798.  It
replaces the experimental RFC 5337.

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	Title           : SMTP Extension for Internationalized Email Address
	Author(s)       : J. Yao, W. MAO
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-rfc5336bis-04.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2010-10-20

This document specifies an SMTP extension for transport and delivery
of email messages with internationalized email addresses or header
information.  This document updates some syntaxes and rules defined
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--On Monday, October 04, 2010 15:50 -0400 Joseph Yee
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>> In Section 4.4:
>>=20
>> =C2=A0 "DISPLAY_NAME" <ASCII@ASCII>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ; traditional mailbox format
>>=20
>> I suggest labelling that "standard mailbox format"

> <chair>
> concern: If we label this "standard", will users confuse as
> this is the only format?  This part is showing examples, and
> the one below is an UTF8 example, didn't use any word
> "standard" nor "new", "extended".....

Personal opinion:
=20
FWIW, for exactly that reason, I think "traditional" (or some
equivalent) is preferable here.  Once this document is adopted,
the new format will be "standard" too.
=20
>...

best.
   john


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	Title           : Internationalized Email Headers
	Author(s)       :  . Yang, S. Steele
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-03.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2010-10-22

Full internationalization of electronic mail requires not only the
capabilities to transmit non-ASCII content, to encode selected
information in specific header fields, and to use non-ASCII
characters in envelope addresses.  It also requires being able to
express those addresses and the information based on them in mail
header fields.  This document specifies a variant of Internet mail
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Hi, Folks,

I generated a 00 version of 5378bis draft. Since I missed the I-D submission
date, in order to give people more review time I put it on two links where
you can find the txt. 

Comments are very welcomed.

 

 

         Title           : IMAP Support for UTF-8

         Author(s)       : P. Resnick, et al.

         Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-5378bis-00.txt

         Pages           : 15

         Date            : October 25, 2010

 

Abstract

 

   This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol

   version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international

   characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers.

 

 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Hi, Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>I generated a 00 version of =
5378bis draft. Since
I missed the I-D submission date, in order to give people more review =
time I put
it on two links where you can find the txt. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Comments are very =
welcomed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
: October 25, 2010<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Abstract<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; This specification =
extends the
Internet Message Access Protocol<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; version 4rev1 =
(IMAP4rev1) to
support UTF-8 encoded international<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; characters in user =
names, mail
addresses and message headers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Google =
docs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><a
href=3D"https://doc-0s-9k-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/secure/k3gr5snu=
qs3vsi5ltlprq1o9o8mpfh5v/ip5vb4gt6nco7770s3var4e5or51ip5k/1287705600000/1=
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ip5vb4gt6nco7770s3var4e5or51ip5k/1287705600000/13132623335377333258/13132=
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>A backup link, MSN =
space:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><a
href=3D"http://ia5meq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pzZQApZQMBfScykXXouq8Jfs8bS=
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aft-ietf-eai-5378bis-00_00.txt?psid=3D1">http://ia5meq.bay.livefilestore.=
com/y1pzZQApZQMBfScykXXouq8Jfs8bS0Cf3DXXKqptTs5OzLDcu-7wmYOobxgF6amfVZHCG=
SZ--5i3QhkKpg9vBM7Dm85tlPWiLJn/draft-ietf-eai-5378bis-00_00.txt?psid=3D1<=
/a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Sean<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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	Title           : Internationalized Delivery Status and Disposition Notifications
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-rfc5337bis-dsn-01.txt
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	Date            : 2010-10-25

Delivery status notifications (DSNs) are critical to the correct
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On 2010/10/27 4:24, Shawn Steele wrote:
> 5336bis – “an SMTP extension� should be “a SMTP extension�. (a instead of an)

SMTP is pronounced es-em-tee-pee, so pronunciation-wise it starts withe 
a vowel, and therefore "an" is correct. Or not?

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That's how I write and say it.

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There are two conflicting style guides: treat the acronym as if it were=20
pronounced with the words that the acronym represents, and treat the=20
acronym as it is commonly pronounced as an acronym. The latter has=20
issues when there exist more than one common pronunciation for an acronym=
=2E

By the first rule above, it's "a SMTP". By the second rule, it's "an SMTP=
".

The same issue comes up with some normal words that gets pronounced=20
differently by different people: is the "h" in "historic" silent or not? =

Your answer determines if it's "an history" or "a history".

My preference is to let the author decide when there's any sort of=20
ambiguity.

     Tony Hansen

On 10/27/2010 10:27 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:33:19AM +0900, "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" wrote:=

>   =20
>> SMTP is pronounced es-em-tee-pee, so pronunciation-wise it starts with=
e
>> a vowel, and therefore "an" is correct. Or not?
>>     =20
> That's how I write and say it.
>   =20


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Meant to hit reply-all instead of reply

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Let's stay consistent with previous RFC. =C2=A0RFC5321 uses "an" instead of=
 "a".

Joseph

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Jiankang YAO <yaojk@cnnic.cn> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ""Martin J. D=C3=BCrst"" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
> To: "Shawn Steele" <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
> Cc: <ima@ietf.org>
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> Subject: Re: [EAI] Minor comments
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>>
>>
>> On 2010/10/27 4:24, Shawn Steele wrote:
>>> 5336bis =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9Can SMTP extension=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=
=9Ca SMTP extension=E2=80=9D. (a instead of an)
>>
>> SMTP is pronounced es-em-tee-pee, so pronunciation-wise it starts withe
>> a vowel, and therefore "an" is correct. Or not?
>>
>
> google "an smtp" and "a smtp", both have a lot of search results.
>
> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/ said "Remember, using =
a or an depends on the sound that begins the next word."
>
> based on the rule above,
> =C2=A0if we pronounced s as [es], then it is an smtp
> if we pronunced s as [s], it is a smtp.
>
> now the problem is changed to how we pronounce 'smtp'.
>
>
> Jiankang Yao
>
>> Regards, =C2=A0 Martin.
>>
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I sent these comments to Fujiwara-san, but forgot to send them to the 
list. Issues we need to deal with:

1. Now that we are allowing the downgrade of "From:" and "Resent-From:" 
without an alt-address, we must point out that RFC 5322 does *not* allow 
group syntax in "From:" and "Resent-From:" and that this document 
changes that syntax. I think that is fine to do that, but this document 
needs to explicitly say that. Perhaps something like this:

4.2.x Header fields that contain <mailbox>s

From:
Sender:
Resent-From:
Resent-Sender:

The definition for these header fields in [RFC5322] only allow <mailbox> 
or <mailbox-list>, which means that they cannot contain the group syntax 
for MAILBOX downgrading described in section 4.1.7. Therefore, this 
specification changes the syntax of the above fields as follows to allow 
a group to appear:

from = "From:" address-list CRLF
sender = "Sender:" address CRLF
resent-from = "Resent-From:" address-list CRLF
resent-sender = "Resent-Sender:" address CRLF

If the header field contains <mailbox> elements that contain non-ASCII 
addresses, perform COMMENT downgrading, DISPLAY-NAME downgrading, and 
MAILBOX downgrading.

2. MAILBOX downgrading makes group syntax recursive for other address 
fields. This one I'm less confident about. But let's say you get a 
message like this:

To: My Friends: <姚�康@cnnic.cn>, <�晓东@cnnic.cn>;

According to the rules, you downgrade this to:

To: MyFriends: Internationalized Address <<Yao's 2047 address>> 
Removed:;, Internationalized Address <<Xiaodong's 2047 address>> Removed:;

I think this is OK, but it changes the syntax of group to:

group = display-name ":" [group / group-list] ";" [CFWS]

If everyone is OK with this, it should go in the document somewhere.

pr

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I withdraw my a/an comment :)  Obviously I was pronouncing it differently. =
 (of course we could just go with a(n) SMTP and have both bases covered ;-)

I guess we all know how I pronounce it.

- Shawn

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All,

The following link has the draft agenda for the upcoming session at IETF79.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/eai.txt

Please let us know by Nov 1 for any change.

Thanks.
Joseph
EAI co-chair

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Hello Joseph,

On 2010/10/29 2:34, Joseph Yee wrote:
> All,
>
> The following link has the draft agenda for the upcoming session at IETF79.
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/eai.txt

Thanks for preparing this. My comments are all related to mailto.

First, I note that your agenda mentions 'mailto' twice, first under
    5. Other documents
and then separately again as
    6.  Discussion of i18n MAILTO plan
I suggest it might be easier to merge these two items.

Second, RFC 6068 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6068) was just published 
this month. But I'm happy to work on an update if necessary. I have 
cc'ed my co-authors to check whether they would also be happy to 
continue as co-authors.

In terms of I18N, RFC 6068 is a big progress over RFC 2368. It allows 
non-ASCII content in any headers (where the header itself allows that) 
and in the body (via the generic UTF-8-based percent-encoding). This is 
already widely supported by many (though not all) MUAs.

It also allows percent-encoding in the domain-name part of an 
<addr-spec>, which an MUA can transform into punycode. It also contains 
a 'forward-compatible' provision for the LHS of mail addresses:

    5.  Percent-encoding of non-ASCII octets in the <local-part> of an
        <addr-spec> is reserved for the internationalization of the
        <local-part>.  Non-ASCII characters MUST first be encoded
        according to UTF-8 [STD63], and then each octet of the
        corresponding UTF-8 sequence MUST be percent-encoded to be
        represented as URI characters.  Any other percent-encoding of
        non-ASCII characters is prohibited.  When a <local-part>
        containing non-ASCII characters will be used to compose a
        message, the <local-part> MUST be transformed to conform to
        whatever encoding may be defined in a future specification for
        the internationalization of email addresses.

The minimum change to make RFC 6068 work with EAI would be to change the 
language around 'reserved' and point to the relevant EAI RFC(s). I can 
submit an Internet-Draft for this as soon as Monday of the IETF, either 
as an individual draft or as a WG draft. Please tell me which name to use.
[The WG and the community could even decide that implementers can figure 
this out by themselves, and that no update is needed.]

Further changes would be appropriate in the Syntax and Examples 
sections, to make clear that when using EAI, data can be sent as raw 
UTF-8, without using encoded words.

Other alternatives have been discussed previously. They mainly include
a) Special syntax for fallback addresses
b) A new scheme for EAI mailto

As for b), I think this was very appropriate at a time when the 
<...<...>> syntax was still en vogue. At least in my personal opinion, 
it is no longer really needed; non-ASCII addresses will fail in the same 
way with the 'mailto' scheme as with a new scheme, and sending mail with 
a non-ASCII address isn't something essentially different from sending 
it with an ASCII address.

As for a), the easiest way to make this work is to have specific 
well-defined header fields already available. For example, it might be 
helpful in some scenarios to have a header field:
    From-all-ASCII:
Independent of the downgrading discussion, this could be helpful to 
populate address books with alternative addresses that a sender could 
e.g. use when sending to a non-EAI mailing list.

Regards,    Martin.

> Please let us know by Nov 1 for any change.
>
> Thanks.
> Joseph
> EAI co-chair
> _______________________________________________
> IMA mailing list
> IMA@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima
>
>

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On 2010/10/30 16:57, Larry Masinter wrote:
> I think any updates to RFC 6068 need to come from a clear
> statement of requirements from the EAI working group, and
> I would hold off submitting any updates until there is
> some clearer consensus that updates are actually needed.

That's fine with me. I just wanted to give input to the group on what 
could be done, and make clear that I'm ready to serve as an editor.

Regards,   Martin.

> Larry
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin J. Dürst" [mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:10 PM
> To: Joseph Yee
> Cc: EAI WG; Larry Masinter; Jamie Zawinsky
> Subject: Re: [EAI] IETF 79 - EAI Agenda, mailto:
>
> Hello Joseph,
>
> On 2010/10/29 2:34, Joseph Yee wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> The following link has the draft agenda for the upcoming session at IETF79.
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/eai.txt
>
> Thanks for preparing this. My comments are all related to mailto.
>
> First, I note that your agenda mentions 'mailto' twice, first under
>      5. Other documents
> and then separately again as
>      6.  Discussion of i18n MAILTO plan
> I suggest it might be easier to merge these two items.
>
> Second, RFC 6068 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6068) was just published
> this month. But I'm happy to work on an update if necessary. I have
> cc'ed my co-authors to check whether they would also be happy to
> continue as co-authors.
>
> In terms of I18N, RFC 6068 is a big progress over RFC 2368. It allows
> non-ASCII content in any headers (where the header itself allows that)
> and in the body (via the generic UTF-8-based percent-encoding). This is
> already widely supported by many (though not all) MUAs.
>
> It also allows percent-encoding in the domain-name part of an
> <addr-spec>, which an MUA can transform into punycode. It also contains
> a 'forward-compatible' provision for the LHS of mail addresses:
>
>      5.  Percent-encoding of non-ASCII octets in the<local-part>  of an
>          <addr-spec>  is reserved for the internationalization of the
>          <local-part>.  Non-ASCII characters MUST first be encoded
>          according to UTF-8 [STD63], and then each octet of the
>          corresponding UTF-8 sequence MUST be percent-encoded to be
>          represented as URI characters.  Any other percent-encoding of
>          non-ASCII characters is prohibited.  When a<local-part>
>          containing non-ASCII characters will be used to compose a
>          message, the<local-part>  MUST be transformed to conform to
>          whatever encoding may be defined in a future specification for
>          the internationalization of email addresses.
>
> The minimum change to make RFC 6068 work with EAI would be to change the
> language around 'reserved' and point to the relevant EAI RFC(s). I can
> submit an Internet-Draft for this as soon as Monday of the IETF, either
> as an individual draft or as a WG draft. Please tell me which name to use.
> [The WG and the community could even decide that implementers can figure
> this out by themselves, and that no update is needed.]
>
> Further changes would be appropriate in the Syntax and Examples
> sections, to make clear that when using EAI, data can be sent as raw
> UTF-8, without using encoded words.
>
> Other alternatives have been discussed previously. They mainly include
> a) Special syntax for fallback addresses
> b) A new scheme for EAI mailto
>
> As for b), I think this was very appropriate at a time when the
> <...<...>>  syntax was still en vogue. At least in my personal opinion,
> it is no longer really needed; non-ASCII addresses will fail in the same
> way with the 'mailto' scheme as with a new scheme, and sending mail with
> a non-ASCII address isn't something essentially different from sending
> it with an ASCII address.
>
> As for a), the easiest way to make this work is to have specific
> well-defined header fields already available. For example, it might be
> helpful in some scenarios to have a header field:
>      From-all-ASCII:
> Independent of the downgrading discussion, this could be helpful to
> populate address books with alternative addresses that a sender could
> e.g. use when sending to a non-EAI mailing list.
>
> Regards,    Martin.
>
>> Please let us know by Nov 1 for any change.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Joseph
>> EAI co-chair
>> _______________________________________________
>> IMA mailing list
>> IMA@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima
>>
>>
>

-- 
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I think any updates to RFC 6068 need to come from a clear
statement of requirements from the EAI working group, and
I would hold off submitting any updates until there is
some clearer consensus that updates are actually needed.

Larry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin J. D=FCrst" [mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp]=20
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:10 PM
To: Joseph Yee
Cc: EAI WG; Larry Masinter; Jamie Zawinsky
Subject: Re: [EAI] IETF 79 - EAI Agenda, mailto:

Hello Joseph,

On 2010/10/29 2:34, Joseph Yee wrote:
> All,
>
> The following link has the draft agenda for the upcoming session at IETF7=
9.
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/eai.txt

Thanks for preparing this. My comments are all related to mailto.

First, I note that your agenda mentions 'mailto' twice, first under
    5. Other documents
and then separately again as
    6.  Discussion of i18n MAILTO plan
I suggest it might be easier to merge these two items.

Second, RFC 6068 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6068) was just published=20
this month. But I'm happy to work on an update if necessary. I have=20
cc'ed my co-authors to check whether they would also be happy to=20
continue as co-authors.

In terms of I18N, RFC 6068 is a big progress over RFC 2368. It allows=20
non-ASCII content in any headers (where the header itself allows that)=20
and in the body (via the generic UTF-8-based percent-encoding). This is=20
already widely supported by many (though not all) MUAs.

It also allows percent-encoding in the domain-name part of an=20
<addr-spec>, which an MUA can transform into punycode. It also contains=20
a 'forward-compatible' provision for the LHS of mail addresses:

    5.  Percent-encoding of non-ASCII octets in the <local-part> of an
        <addr-spec> is reserved for the internationalization of the
        <local-part>.  Non-ASCII characters MUST first be encoded
        according to UTF-8 [STD63], and then each octet of the
        corresponding UTF-8 sequence MUST be percent-encoded to be
        represented as URI characters.  Any other percent-encoding of
        non-ASCII characters is prohibited.  When a <local-part>
        containing non-ASCII characters will be used to compose a
        message, the <local-part> MUST be transformed to conform to
        whatever encoding may be defined in a future specification for
        the internationalization of email addresses.

The minimum change to make RFC 6068 work with EAI would be to change the=20
language around 'reserved' and point to the relevant EAI RFC(s). I can=20
submit an Internet-Draft for this as soon as Monday of the IETF, either=20
as an individual draft or as a WG draft. Please tell me which name to use.
[The WG and the community could even decide that implementers can figure=20
this out by themselves, and that no update is needed.]

Further changes would be appropriate in the Syntax and Examples=20
sections, to make clear that when using EAI, data can be sent as raw=20
UTF-8, without using encoded words.

Other alternatives have been discussed previously. They mainly include
a) Special syntax for fallback addresses
b) A new scheme for EAI mailto

As for b), I think this was very appropriate at a time when the=20
<...<...>> syntax was still en vogue. At least in my personal opinion,=20
it is no longer really needed; non-ASCII addresses will fail in the same=20
way with the 'mailto' scheme as with a new scheme, and sending mail with=20
a non-ASCII address isn't something essentially different from sending=20
it with an ASCII address.

As for a), the easiest way to make this work is to have specific=20
well-defined header fields already available. For example, it might be=20
helpful in some scenarios to have a header field:
    From-all-ASCII:
Independent of the downgrading discussion, this could be helpful to=20
populate address books with alternative addresses that a sender could=20
e.g. use when sending to a non-EAI mailing list.

Regards,    Martin.

> Please let us know by Nov 1 for any change.
>
> Thanks.
> Joseph
> EAI co-chair
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--=20
#-# Martin J. D=FCrst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp   mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp

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--On Saturday, October 30, 2010 00:57 -0700 Larry Masinter
<masinter@adobe.com> wrote:

> I think any updates to RFC 6068 need to come from a clear
> statement of requirements from the EAI working group, and
> I would hold off submitting any updates until there is
> some clearer consensus that updates are actually needed.

Speaking as an individual (no comment as co-chair until I read
the entire thread and 6068), this sounds like a wise strategy.

   john