From nobody Thu Dec 4 09:31:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C221A1B92 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpmsjtwbIvsY for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1C11A1B63 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaF5-000LME-O9; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:31:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:30:58 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: ima@ietf.org Message-ID: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/ZvCvO11wv_JbNk-uuJrmas5agLA Cc: Steven Pemberton Subject: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:31:08 -0000 Hi. As many of you know but some may not, not only was there a very successful (at least IMO) meeting about the SMTPUTF8 extensions and internationalized mail in Beijing at the end of October (thanks to Jiankang Yao), but there has been a recent discussion about address syntax in W3C forms and the W3C internationalization group. A few issues have come up in the various discussions that inspired me to make some changes to the WG Wiki. You might want to take a look at them and either edit or raise issues here if you disagree. If anything I've said seems controversial, please do identify the issues here. As a reminder, the wiki is at https://tools.ietf.org/wg/eai/trac/wiki In addition, the folks working on Forms, notably Steven Pemberton (copied) have noticed that the mailbox local-part syntax of RFC 6532 allows some truly nasty Unicode strings, including strings that start with combining marks and that therefore may be very hard to have as input. My recollection is that was an intentional decision and not a mistake -- as with passwords, hard-to-type strings can sometimes be an advantage in email addresses. However, it seems to me that they are very much like case-sensitive strings in RFC 5321: we insist that those be treated as separate up to the point of final delivery, we forbid any message originating systems from assuming case equivalence, and forbid intermediate systems from performing case folding. Then we advise those creating mailboxes or operating delivery servers that they probably should not take advantage of case-independence except in special circumstances because case sensitive addresses are almost certain to create confusion and to be mishandled by badly-written implementations. It seems to me that we should say much the same thing about badly-formed Unicode strings: support for them is required but delivery servers that allow creation of mailbox names containing such strings had really better know what they are getting into and, otherwise, probably shouldn't. If there is general agreement about that principle (or no strong objections) I'll patch a note into the Wiki so we can come back to it and formally see if there is consensus when we review the documents for Full Standard. Of course, if my memory is wrong and allowing such strings was just a mistake, someone should start a discussion on that subject and we should figure out what to do about it. john From nobody Thu Dec 4 10:22:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192761A1B89 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8KlWCtCcuO2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com (esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com [69.28.149.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84A771A1B75 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linkedin.com; i=@linkedin.com; q=dns/txt; s=proddkim1024; t=1417717364; x=1449253364; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Sd6psIt9h5/9mAjyy2bjsalKS48MR2KtNvJgTBs+n1Y=; b=cAtJU/PiEkllqhTmaJUg5DW9YJYjEOcRYtGfXV27+Fg/joFFL3XLcWSp AFrwrzYnMWjtZCuXAvG5z78r8DMdmiIVqQej2tk4XoAS9KAkouLyspUgu fYrZNr4xQcVu+7i09dQXgRQWfg/WhAkcJj60yZJfZPV9DTD5UHq3hL0ev E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,517,1413270000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="162278225" Received: from ESV4-MB03.linkedin.biz ([fe80::1caa:1422:7ef8:5ceb]) by esv4-cas02.linkedin.biz ([172.18.46.142]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:41 -0800 From: Franck Martin To: John C Klensin Thread-Topic: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts Thread-Index: AQHQD+gjbvNAUjXXFU6+8xGER71YXpyAROCA Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.46.252] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_08B10844-CA40-46FE-B52B-B48E7E564844"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/OjQ7nVwj2SHWmu2H0-ZSSoRyl5g Cc: Steven Pemberton , "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:22:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_08B10844-CA40-46FE-B52B-B48E7E564844 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:30 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 > In addition, the folks working on Forms, notably Steven > Pemberton (copied) have noticed that the mailbox local-part > syntax of RFC 6532 allows some truly nasty Unicode strings, > including strings that start with combining marks and that > therefore may be very hard to have as input. My recollection is > that was an intentional decision and not a mistake -- as with > passwords, hard-to-type strings can sometimes be an advantage in > email addresses. However, it seems to me that they are very > much like case-sensitive strings in RFC 5321: we insist that > those be treated as separate up to the point of final delivery, > we forbid any message originating systems from assuming case > equivalence, and forbid intermediate systems from performing > case folding. Then we advise those creating mailboxes or > operating delivery servers that they probably should not take > advantage of case-independence except in special circumstances > because case sensitive addresses are almost certain to create > confusion and to be mishandled by badly-written implementations. >=20 > It seems to me that we should say much the same thing about > badly-formed Unicode strings: support for them is required but > delivery servers that allow creation of mailbox names containing > such strings had really better know what they are getting into > and, otherwise, probably shouldn't. >=20 > If there is general agreement about that principle (or no strong > objections) I'll patch a note into the Wiki so we can come back > to it and formally see if there is consensus when we review the > documents for Full Standard. >=20 I=92m worried that the message here is =93figuring out that 2 UTF8 = strings are equivalent is left as a trivial exercise for the reader=94 The gmail dot introduce another level of equivalence besides the = capitalization equivalence for ASCII email addresses. Another use case, you could have your email in a do not send list, but = just adding + to an email address would bypass most blocking = lists=85. It could have some serious implications on all the legal unsubscribing = requirements=85 In short, with EAI we need more than ever a standard to define LHS = equivalence. --Apple-Mail=_08B10844-CA40-46FE-B52B-B48E7E564844 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUgKZxAAoJEJHd9Bbysc+aNkkH/2aCK+Va86OJ6KRR/k3m43IG zgRQ9ichjgY4N8ZJlseE5EE+bY5wl8/Qv4M72ws5DO02Z8RjGJWpgwEDrtnXVKSn SpYO6E7sTvw9CIVNOwr3TguXbftrq0VLF4u+17u7Hg0aW6CtOyIqe1UYRDC7ft/R izZksTdMRipSeZAxdyOmI4OISaFF2J/O/wQliSXM/NETLF8hnaze8Y/+Zpy+f0WO ymhbnfXHbnmzDRaSCRK8dT4N2pL7g/+7RS1K4TrciaVjPxsVsx+8RvOSYBoOsErC yPW90zH4PEorkWpBJcdmBFwnqUzg2dSfMd7d0cxtRSJDvEg0TJiNUxFzLwfaQI0= =k2zo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_08B10844-CA40-46FE-B52B-B48E7E564844-- From nobody Thu Dec 4 11:01:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473431A0062 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:01:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8TbZSZS6Nv-s for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C43731A001A for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwbex-000Ldh-C4; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:01:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:01:46 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Franck Martin Message-ID: <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/XcN1uTwB_4heQ9c0O7CQYUs2YXc Cc: Steven Pemberton , ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:01:56 -0000 --On Thursday, December 04, 2014 18:22 +0000 Franck Martin wrote: >=20 > On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:30 AM, John C Klensin > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> In addition, the folks working on Forms, notably Steven >> Pemberton (copied) have noticed that the mailbox local-part >> syntax of RFC 6532 allows some truly nasty Unicode strings, >> including strings that start with combining marks and that >... >> If there is general agreement about that principle (or no >> strong objections) I'll patch a note into the Wiki so we can >> come back to it and formally see if there is consensus when >> we review the documents for Full Standard. > I'm worried that the message here is "figuring out that 2 > UTF8 strings are equivalent is left as a trivial exercise for > the reader" No. The message is much simpler and, again, comes directly out of 5321 (and 821 and everything in between). There simply are no equivalence rules other than exact matching of bit strings. To spell it out in detail, it is Unless you are the delivery server, you should not even try to figure out whether two local-parts are equivalent (whether they are all-ASCII or are in UTF-8 and contain characters outside the ASCII repertoire). You can safely assume that they are the same if they are bit-string identical. Otherwise, they are not equivalent. They might be aliases, but, again unless you are the delivery server or have out of band information, you have no more reason to assume "Joe" and "joe" are equivalent to you do to assume that "Frank" and "Franck" or "Tom" and "Dick" are. You can't even assume that normalized and unnormalized forms of a string are equivalent. If you are the delivery server, you have to consult your own alias tables and any code you have that simulates aliases. > The gmail dot introduce another level of equivalence besides > the capitalization equivalence for ASCII email addresses. I don't know what you are talking about but, if it applies and is relevant at any point other than on the delivery server, it violates the standard -- not just the EAI standards but 5321. > Another use case, you could have your email in a do not send > list, but just adding + to an email address would > bypass most blocking lists=E2=80=A6. Yep. Just as the price of my using subaddresses extensively is that, in principle, I have to discourage senders one subaddress form at a time. Life is hard, but, again, the EAI work doesn't introduce anything new in that area. > It could have some serious implications on all the legal > unsubscribing requirements=E2=80=A6 See above, but I actually don't think so. =20 > In short, with EAI we need more than ever a standard to define > LHS equivalence. As with many other i18n things, the SMTPUTF8 extensions make some issues a little more evident than they were before, but this is really not an EAI problem. Take it up on the SMTP list. Given that we had this discussion in the Host Requirements work that produced RFC 1123, in DRUMS (and hence 2821), and when 5321 was produced, and reached the same conclusion each time, good luck getting traction there, but you can try. best, john From nobody Thu Dec 4 14:26:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7298C1A6FEB for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:26:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJIB4rY7Z06q for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com (esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com [69.28.149.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62FDB1A6FEA for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linkedin.com; i=@linkedin.com; q=dns/txt; s=proddkim1024; t=1417731968; x=1449267968; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=pwzl9YBWvF4bYpwhoLLBlskT4BNi8HGvaTYA+1VPeTc=; b=dPyQo/sYFpnbatfxbhrdWn+vzpbWCtP6QQbd5NWhH9eIgw4DLzMygXKU R5tpCmlZ15SHei19Y+wOv8NcJBimroxSjkzNrFGKLYtsLcgKvE7Edpa7h hls+hgblyKNPKvCf2qLydlAmHibV+OFK69MY5cwmL9d5poA3NLOekPqgC Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,518,1413270000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="162356974" Received: from ESV4-MB03.linkedin.biz ([fe80::1caa:1422:7ef8:5ceb]) by esv4-cas01.linkedin.biz ([172.18.46.140]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:26:06 -0800 From: Franck Martin To: John C Klensin Thread-Topic: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts Thread-Index: AQHQD+gjbvNAUjXXFU6+8xGER71YXpyAROCAgAAK6wCAADkXAA== Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:26:06 +0000 Message-ID: <90D5A7B9-AE53-4566-8129-2546F60B6FF5@linkedin.com> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.46.251] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F820BFD6-8C74-46B3-8C27-7C7E30DE4C36"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/YndRkriytuyPFu8yaYA9h0m7hXs Cc: Steven Pemberton , ima Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:26:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F820BFD6-8C74-46B3-8C27-7C7E30DE4C36 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D88DE06B-C1F0-4522-9ABB-785066843ED3" --Apple-Mail=_D88DE06B-C1F0-4522-9ABB-785066843ED3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:01 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 > --On Thursday, December 04, 2014 18:22 +0000 Franck Martin > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:30 AM, John C Klensin >> wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> In addition, the folks working on Forms, notably Steven >>> Pemberton (copied) have noticed that the mailbox local-part >>> syntax of RFC 6532 allows some truly nasty Unicode strings, >>> including strings that start with combining marks and that >>=20 >=20 >> I'm worried that the message here is "figuring out that 2 >> UTF8 strings are equivalent is left as a trivial exercise for >> the reader" >=20 > No. The message is much simpler and, again, comes directly out > of 5321 (and 821 and everything in between). There simply are > no equivalence rules other than exact matching of bit strings. > To spell it out in detail, it is >=20 It may not be the job of EAI WG to do this standard, but it is a bit = frustrating that while IETF is all about security, a protocol is = designed and the =93increased" consequences are left to others to deal = with=85=20 but let=92s talk about something more interesting. Any insight on the = meeting in China you can share with this group? --Apple-Mail=_D88DE06B-C1F0-4522-9ABB-785066843ED3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:01 AM, John C = Klensin <klensin@jck.com> = wrote:



--On Thursday, December 04, = 2014 18:22 +0000 Franck Martin
<fmartin@linkedin.com> = wrote:


On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:30 AM, = John C Klensin <klensin@jck.com>
wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
In addition, the folks working on Forms, = notably Steven
Pemberton (copied) have noticed that the mailbox = local-part
syntax of RFC 6532 allows some truly nasty Unicode = strings,
including strings that start with combining marks and = that


I'm = worried that the message here is "figuring out that 2
UTF8 strings = are equivalent is left as a trivial exercise for
the = reader"

No.  The message is much simpler and, = again, comes directly out
of 5321 (and 821 and everything in = between).   There simply are
no equivalence rules other = than exact matching of bit strings.
To spell it out in detail, it = is


It may not be the job of EAI = WG to do this standard, but it is a bit frustrating that while IETF is = all about security, a protocol is designed and the =93increased" = consequences are left to others to deal = with=85 

but let=92s talk about something = more interesting. Any insight on the meeting in China you can share with = this group?


= --Apple-Mail=_D88DE06B-C1F0-4522-9ABB-785066843ED3-- --Apple-Mail=_F820BFD6-8C74-46B3-8C27-7C7E30DE4C36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUgN9+AAoJEJHd9Bbysc+a1FUH/2dvwaRaAtBB8D6W9AThXr7K GRyKIY8LfQKiXmFYDYRo8n0oXEJ4g8rFlQA2xi13MaNMnKfeF179qj8kt+flbSzt SaeQKsnYtUOhywzqFbpQMA0/rUMMD8W1XtaEajCW1h/a/RvfzDcTA9oWrSTO1x7J BPULxtBnKSS4WXEJU2XvfxR3wSdUrwydXt1YF9zT535pFhJSqsn0fkRj9o/RCd2/ +s+xwjNsUdLbsI988/UVphWa3mxuxxnIaE5og44GOI8ImQdm0uCxAjsgZt5pJxyk 95N0AZrN9ANw+HEqAO7y0EphaLEYXwo7Bg5VkKbOwQ96N+LY3cZAzOP8p3i24gw= =L3e+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_F820BFD6-8C74-46B3-8C27-7C7E30DE4C36-- From nobody Thu Dec 4 22:39:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8881AC439 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gE2mVSZKP3dk for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9871AC438 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.15]) by scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1E532E5A3; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:38:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from itmail2.it.aoyama.ac.jp (unknown [133.2.206.134]) by scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 291b_74ab_aa136a2c_0d70_43d2_866d_c318b3b381d0; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:38:27 +0900 Received: from [133.2.210.64] (unknown [133.2.210.64]) by itmail2.it.aoyama.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E973BF53F; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:38:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <548152E0.7010700@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:38:24 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John C Klensin , ima@ietf.org References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/xXOb43qn14xjllfLScVEBVUqIis Cc: Steven Pemberton Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 06:39:13 -0000 On 2014/12/05 02:30, John C Klensin wrote: > It seems to me that we should say much the same thing about > badly-formed Unicode strings: support for them is required but > delivery servers that allow creation of mailbox names containing > such strings had really better know what they are getting into > and, otherwise, probably shouldn't. > > If there is general agreement about that principle (or no strong > objections) I'll patch a note into the Wiki so we can come back > to it and formally see if there is consensus when we review the > documents for Full Standard. I agree. > Of course, if my memory is wrong and allowing such strings was > just a mistake, someone should start a discussion on that > subject and we should figure out what to do about it. I think your memory is correct. We may want to point to some of the results of PRECIS (which hopefully soon will finish) to give some recommendations about what delivery servers might want to do. Regards, Martin. From nobody Fri Dec 5 00:17:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5311ACD99 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u51dH8qmBEfq for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBAA41A0121 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F18FA0083; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpsa id 1417767425-22718-22717/12/32; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:17:05 +0000 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: ima@ietf.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:17:04 +0100 User-Agent: Trojita/v0.4.1-243-g4a74770; Qt/4.8.6; X11; Linux; Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/cPQ7dhNX5loS8iLncxipkiC0BK4 Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:17:10 -0000 On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:01:46 PM CEST, John C Klensin wrote: > Unless you are the delivery server, you should not even try to > figure out whether two local-parts are equivalent (whether they > are all-ASCII or are in UTF-8 and contain characters outside the > ASCII repertoire). Corollary 1: If you are an address book implementation, you should not even try to compare and sort addresses the way your users do. It's a good thing that software can't talk back ;) Arnt From nobody Fri Dec 5 10:44:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A471AD543 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFay6UX5SPAp for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 394B81AD53B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxrB-000P7H-Iv; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:43:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:43:52 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Franck Martin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90D5A7B9-AE53-4566-8129-2546F60B6FF5@linkedin.com> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <3CDA2E4E-C677-42D2-96C9-CBFE270DBC7B@linkedin.com> <1B3AD299A36D41EA00600A10@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <90D5A7B9-AE53-4566-8129-2546F60B6FF5@linkedin.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/wggi3gm6klJuHalUlDKl1phNWhE Cc: Steven Pemberton , ima Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:44:01 -0000 --On Thursday, December 04, 2014 22:26 +0000 Franck Martin wrote: >> No. The message is much simpler and, again, comes directly >> out of 5321 (and 821 and everything in between). There >> simply are no equivalence rules other than exact matching of >> bit strings. To spell it out in detail, it is > It may not be the job of EAI WG to do this standard, but it is > a bit frustrating that while IETF is all about security, a > protocol is designed and the "increased" consequences are > left to others to deal with=E2=80=A6=20 First, I think you would find many people who would disagree with "while IETF is all about security" -- I might have said, at most, that IETF is about protocol design for the Internet and that makes the Internet better, and security is one of the important aspects to be considered in those protocol designs". I wouldn't claim consensus for that view either, but... More important, it really isn't "increased consequences", it is about a 30+ year old rule that examining some i18n issues might make a little more obvious. And, again, my personal experience is that internationalizing almost any existing protocol has the same effect, i.e., introducing very new new problems but making existing problem cases more clear and sometimes promoting former obscure edge cases into more of the mainstream. FWIW, at least at the applications layer that situation typically comes as more of a surprise for protocols developed during the period when Unix and Unix-inspired systems running ASCII (or ISO 8859-1) on byte or 32-bit-word-oriented environments could be assumed to be all that existed on the Internet than for protocols that were either developed with Unicode in mind or developed at a time when a variety of different operating systems, on different platforms, and with a variety of repertoires, coded character sets, and encoding systems were the norm. > but let's talk about something more interesting. Any insight > on the meeting in China you can share with this group? Yes, but no time. Several others on this list, including the primary organizer, were there and should comment when they have time. I am still hoping for posted slides and/or papers and notes, but assume that JianKang and his colleagues have been at least as busy as I have. =20 I think you probably know Don Hollander. He circulated some personal notes to some of the attendees and, I assume, to some APTLD list(s). You might ask him for a copy and/or permission to post a link to the WG Wiki. john From nobody Fri Dec 5 11:30:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033191AD617 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:30:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zwy3RvO-yx7Z for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978291AD614 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XwyaA-000PDw-PQ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:30:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:30:21 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: =?UTF-8?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst=22?= Message-ID: <69CCDB4C42C9907D284962ED@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <548152E0.7010700@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <71E1EB9D5E3910B840AA545D@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <548152E0.7010700@it.aoyama.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/dS2nlYEPpTBpv8LtUGUjZ4Q9q3M Cc: Steven Pemberton , ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] Conversations in other forums, wiki changes, question about local-parts X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:30:31 -0000 --On Friday, December 05, 2014 15:38 +0900 "\"Martin J. D=C3=BCrst\"" wrote: >... > We may want to point to some of the results of PRECIS (which > hopefully soon will finish) to give some recommendations about > what delivery servers might want to do. Ack. I've hacked together a few paragraphs and, as suggested, mentioned PRECIS. Someone might try to remember to replace the pointer to the WG with a list of RFCs when that is feasible and appropriate. There are now three questions for the WG that don't need immediate answers: (1) When are we really to start the work to move the technical specs to full standard? It has certainly been enough time, so the question is equivalent to when someone is going to feel enough confidence to put together an implementation report. (2) My sense is that all, or almost all, of the specs need work, at least to clarify assorted issues (many of them editorial), but that most of the work will need to be the incorporation of the types of guidance that are now in the Wiki into 6530bis. When do people think we will be ready to start on that? Or do people disagree and believe the current documents can be moved to full standard without being revised? (3) The last months of the WG were not characterized by a lot of enthusiasm and activity. Whether a move to full standard is attempted with individual document refined on the mailing list or by restarting the WG, it is clear that me that some strong evidence of people willing to do work is going to be needed. People should start thinking about whether they are interested enough to invest time and resources or if we should just let this go. best, john From nobody Fri Dec 19 07:16:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D0A1A89A4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.24 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.24 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OrN3SMkVRp_i for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D30F1A8956 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [125.33.18.198]) by ocmail02.zx.nicx.cn (Coremail) with SMTP id AQAAf0B5gbkgQZRU_MCKAg--.18446S2; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:15:44 +0800 (CST) From: Jiankang Yao Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14A9249C-29D7-4797-9F8D-ECE2E164F030 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:27:33 +0800 To: "ima@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-CM-TRANSID: AQAAf0B5gbkgQZRU_MCKAg--.18446S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UjIYCTnIWjp_UUU5R7k0a2IF6w1UM7kC6x804xWl14x267AK xVWUJVW8JwAFc2x0x2IEx4CE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVWrJVCq3wAFIxvE14AKwVWUJVWUGw A2ocxC64kIII0Yj41l84x0c7CEw4AK67xGY2AK021l84ACjcxK6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r4j 6ryUM28EF7xvwVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E14v26r4j6F4UM28EF7xvwVC2z280aVAFwI0_Gc CE3s1l84ACjcxK6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26rxl6s0DM2AIxVAIcxkEcVAq07x20xvEncxI r21lYx0E2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jr0_Jr4lYx0Ex4A2jsIE14v26r1j6r4UMcvjeVCFs4IE7x kEbVWUJVW8JwACjcxG0xvY0x0EwIxGrwCY02Avz4vE14v_XrWl42xK82IYc2Ij64vIr41l 4I8I3I0E4IkC6x0Yz7v_Jr0_Gr1lx2IqxVAqx4xG67AKxVWUGVWUWwC20s026x8GjcxK67 AKxVWUGVWUWwC2zVA0820Y0xCF62I06xkIj41lx4CE17CEb7AF67AKxVWUJVWUXwCIc40Y 0x0EwIxGrwCI42IY6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r1j6r1xMIIF0xvE2Ix0cI8IcVCY1x0267AKxV WUJVW8JwCI42IY6xAIw20EY4v20xvaj40_WFyUJVCq3wCI42IY6I8E87Iv67AKxVWUJVW8 JwCI42IY6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26r1j6r4UYxBIdaVFxhVjvjDU0xZFpf9x07jVeHgUUU UU= X-CM-SenderInfo: x1dryyw6fq0xffof0/ Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/iq-pEMMIJKJqNdBvAYIr624orXw Subject: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:16:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail-14A9249C-29D7-4797-9F8D-ECE2E164F030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,=20 For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on the = Following link to register a Chinese email address. 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= --Apple-Mail-14A9249C-29D7-4797-9F8D-ECE2E164F030-- From nobody Fri Dec 19 12:25:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3371ACDA5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ky07-5_Wi8BZ for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0136.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EE011A9241 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.159.149) by CY1PR0301MB0730.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.159.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:25:35 +0000 Received: from CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.159.149]) by CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.159.149]) with mapi id 15.01.0031.000; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:25:35 +0000 From: Shawn Steele To: "ima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Chinese email address Thread-Index: AdAbyip7oXVdUECDSm+mz4J6ekByAQ== Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:25:34 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [50.46.152.56] authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com; x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; x-forefront-prvs: 0430FA5CB7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(199003)(189002)(120916001)(99396003)(21056001)(2351001)(86612001)(54206007)(46102003)(4396001)(20776003)(64706001)(74316001)(2900100001)(92566001)(86362001)(107886001)(54356999)(106356001)(110136001)(77156002)(40100003)(19580405001)(105586002)(99286002)(87936001)(450100001)(102836002)(33656002)(2656002)(122556002)(66066001)(62966003)(19580395003)(54606007)(50986999)(101416001)(107046002)(15975445007)(31966008)(2501002)(97736003)(68736005)(76576001)(512914005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; H:CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/Z-XtJpG1Gnn5LdOvSB1jzQuxS_o Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:25:40 -0000 The 2nd link got messed up by encodings on the forum. Makes me wonder what= the tinyurl type services do if they see IDN? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:27:33 +0800 From: Jiankang Yao To: "ima@ietf.org" Subject: [EAI] Chinese email address Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"gb2312" Dear all,=20 For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on the = Following link to register a Chinese email address. You can also have an = opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize. http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=3DMjM5NzM3Mjg2Mw=3D=3D&mid=3D202089804&idx= =3D1&sn=3D741bffe6eb1882be4fe7f548d602cf1a&scene=3D2&from=3Dtimeline&isappi= nstalled=3D0#rd http://????.??/mail/register.jsp >From my phone From nobody Fri Dec 19 12:47:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3221A7011 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:47:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0CFT1f1D0ldA for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0761.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::761]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C24901A7006 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.159.149) by CY1PR0301MB0730.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.159.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:46:52 +0000 Received: from CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.159.149]) by CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.159.149]) with mapi id 15.01.0031.000; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:46:51 +0000 From: Shawn Steele To: "ima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Chinese email address Thread-Index: AdAbyip7oXVdUECDSm+mz4J6ekByAQAAwn9g Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:46:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [50.46.152.56] authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com; x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; x-forefront-prvs: 0430FA5CB7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(199003)(13464003)(377454003)(66066001)(62966003)(102836002)(122556002)(2656002)(33656002)(19580395003)(50986999)(54606007)(19580405001)(77156002)(40100003)(105586002)(450100001)(87936001)(99286002)(2501002)(97736003)(68736005)(76576001)(512914005)(31966008)(101416001)(107046002)(15975445007)(46102003)(4396001)(86612001)(54206007)(64706001)(20776003)(74316001)(120916001)(99396003)(2351001)(21056001)(107886001)(86362001)(110136001)(106356001)(54356999)(2900100001)(92566001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0301MB0730; H:CY1PR0301MB0731.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/zpkC6Noq-8KEJcRVLUlMNX18xuY Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:47:18 -0000 The email addresses (local part) are restricted to Chinese? -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Steele=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:28 PM To: ima@ietf.org Subject: RE: Chinese email address=20 The 2nd link got messed up by encodings on the forum. Makes me wonder what= the tinyurl type services do if they see IDN? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:27:33 +0800 From: Jiankang Yao To: "ima@ietf.org" Subject: [EAI] Chinese email address Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"gb2312" Dear all,=20 For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on the = Following link to register a Chinese email address. You can also have an = opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize. http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=3DMjM5NzM3Mjg2Mw=3D=3D&mid=3D202089804&idx= =3D1&sn=3D741bffe6eb1882be4fe7f548d602cf1a&scene=3D2&from=3Dtimeline&isappi= nstalled=3D0#rd http://????.??/mail/register.jsp >From my phone From nobody Fri Dec 19 18:08:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6CA1A1B82 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpw7Tv7ieaIJ for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FF11A3BA4 for ; 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Qt/4.8.6; X11; Linux; Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4459e804-d392-452f-a7cb-53bd749f7a1e@gulbrandsen.priv.no> In-Reply-To: References: <3242fb24.28da.14a6573c941.Coremail.yaojk@cnnic.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/qrkraL0lHl0GdU5aieqGILEq-fk Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:15:05 -0000 On Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:25:48 PM CEST, Shawn Steele wrote: > Now I just need a Chinese name :) Easy: =E9=BE=99=E4=BA=95 Memorable and shows that you're a gentlenan. A man of taste and=20 discrimination. The women will love you. Arnt From nobody Tue Dec 23 15:44:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4B71A87EF for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.027 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.027 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URI_NOVOWEL=0.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6DbrCARYAOE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com (esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com [69.28.149.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F9CB1A8546 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linkedin.com; i=@linkedin.com; q=dns/txt; s=proddkim1024; t=1419378258; x=1450914258; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=rhTuoDlwL9nTrzgGuGPetC8cUvI7IJ14aiiRom+Mtx0=; b=oARYYagbVounk5UoegNIuXC0ThzVO5EcT2SfV2dMYQEJoKcmQsFhybG5 YUpPKICjM0O9jHdMeYti2ykWw3rJzWnOPBDaM42izmv6JE656Kd9aDH8+ xqVTURp62m/6Lh9xEvcqTzZQxBeRaKsTJtlzXTYr590YSHyOzN6vMLrdm U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,634,1413270000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="166613897" Received: from esv4-exctest.linkedin.biz (172.18.46.60) by esv4-cas01.linkedin.biz (172.18.46.140) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:17 -0800 Received: from ESV4-MB03.linkedin.biz ([fe80::1caa:1422:7ef8:5ceb]) by esv4-exctest.linkedin.biz ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:17 -0800 From: Franck Martin To: Jiankang Yao Thread-Topic: [EAI] Chinese email address Thread-Index: AQHQG563vvDy33GmJ0yKiGiHm14BG5yeY5gA Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.46.252] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C32FFBEE-A5A5-4C52-8C1B-52CE01FF21F1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/-r5Z8HtgbjCk2qD5905Ce7eSrks Cc: "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:44:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C32FFBEE-A5A5-4C52-8C1B-52CE01FF21F1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CB2BC910-61BA-493C-BB5E-4BF6B3561831" --Apple-Mail=_CB2BC910-61BA-493C-BB5E-4BF6B3561831 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Jiankang Yao wrote: > Dear all,=20 >=20 > For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on = the Following link to register a Chinese email address. You can also = have an opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize. >=20 > = http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=3DMjM5NzM3Mjg2Mw=3D=3D&mid=3D202089804&idx= =3D1&sn=3D741bffe6eb1882be4fe7f548d602cf1a&scene=3D2&from=3Dtimeline&isapp= installed=3D0#rd >=20 > http://=D6=D0=CE=C4=D3=CA=CF=E4.=CD=F8=C2=E7/mail/register.jsp >=20 Tried it, still waiting for the confirmation=A1=AD is it working? --Apple-Mail=_CB2BC910-61BA-493C-BB5E-4BF6B3561831 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312
On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Jiankang = Yao <yaojk@cnnic.cn> = wrote:

Dear all, 

  =   For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on = the    Following link to register a Chinese email address. You = can also have an opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize.


=

Tried it, still waiting for the = confirmation=A1=AD is it working?

= --Apple-Mail=_CB2BC910-61BA-493C-BB5E-4BF6B3561831-- --Apple-Mail=_C32FFBEE-A5A5-4C52-8C1B-52CE01FF21F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUmf5QAAoJEJHd9Bbysc+awhsH/3KGf+SQUHtMRhh8MsXLcYQX NqBYTCVNabRftaxRvgXsC9EDWnJOsZKfT6jBA2tud8wKgwYDLZE30mvKKD/ujnBy hoqM7BMtAEiMRkZzrEKq16CFt+g/S331wr6GwsQFod/DfJ4iO0n+kTSSiuM1SHG4 EehwgSorRpbxow5Z9ZNSKDY+mew6SgdRVGUsx6BcVN9kvpchgBO4uBv/YvCu376J rQyEVdVC7eXShYvWyUMAg6lkzBrebIZUQTfkFniQhBueqYfOZiwwcE5KrYDBL96f 4ckFtKpcB60bNb3TeVb0HGJIlJZGs3jWVE/JzHFr87e0iaYYoIUQBAM5KbDn3S8= =S2JD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C32FFBEE-A5A5-4C52-8C1B-52CE01FF21F1-- From nobody Tue Dec 23 23:34:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EAE1ACD2A for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:34:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.427 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URI_NOVOWEL=0.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WNBbwrqiPiUP for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com (esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com [69.28.149.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA8B71ACD3C for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:34:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linkedin.com; i=@linkedin.com; q=dns/txt; s=proddkim1024; t=1419406449; x=1450942449; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=jl1TMvmm4d7YUunlX+e7sVjR86oB3y0w+ZKQaQxHxrU=; b=eITb/G5v3ErxLavdLKfRMPwZA/C8n2/vXD8srdc1lyGJunWkZCq0PNKW V3A2trYAXaE2nV+AbmMiJ3Z0LuEeVq16Yt1/V5/AXdj3Ozcj6yd2PyJop l/i6nzIJnMUs/MP/OrxiHUAO/6IIreNtWIt4/yPDInZXqTtmtM+wWvmmT s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,637,1413270000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="166668161" Received: from ESV4-MB03.linkedin.biz ([fe80::1caa:1422:7ef8:5ceb]) by esv4-cas01.linkedin.biz ([172.18.46.140]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:34:09 -0800 From: Franck Martin To: Jiankang Yao Thread-Topic: [EAI] Chinese email address Thread-Index: AQHQG563vvDy33GmJ0yKiGiHm14BG5yeY5gAgACDRwA= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:34:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.46.252] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_66C087E8-624B-4859-AB31-F29ED4227B37"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/nhaoSgBhKadeTCu2zm83SXoWRes Cc: "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:34:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_66C087E8-624B-4859-AB31-F29ED4227B37 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A8776A3E-3C80-4A57-8DDD-F13FAC3473EF" --Apple-Mail=_A8776A3E-3C80-4A57-8DDD-F13FAC3473EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Franck Martin wrote: >=20 > On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Jiankang Yao wrote: >=20 >> Dear all,=20 >>=20 >> For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on = the Following link to register a Chinese email address. You can also = have an opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize. >>=20 >> = http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=3DMjM5NzM3Mjg2Mw=3D=3D&mid=3D202089804&idx= =3D1&sn=3D741bffe6eb1882be4fe7f548d602cf1a&scene=3D2&from=3Dtimeline&isapp= installed=3D0#rd >>=20 >> http://=D6=D0=CE=C4=D3=CA=CF=E4.=CD=F8=C2=E7/mail/register.jsp >>=20 >=20 > Tried it, still waiting for the confirmation=A1=AD is it working? >=20 Got it, thanks Some feedback now... Interesting, the left hand side of the @ was converted to puny-code when = sending to my non SMTPUTF8 email server. I guess it is possible because = of the limited character set allowed in the LHS? I add to force Firefox to the right encoding to see the email source in = gmail correctly There is no SPF or DKIM, please put an SPF at least, Gmail thinks this = is all spam. I had to look in my junk folder, may be it thinks it is = spam for other reasons, but nowadays you do at least SPF on mail = servers.=20 = https://dmarcian.com/spf-survey/%E4%BA%92%E8%81%94%E7%BD%91.%E5%85%AC%E5%8= F%B8 Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=3Dnone (google.com: XXXX@=BB=A5=C1=AA=CD=F8.=B9=AB=CB=BE does = not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=3DXXXX@=BB=A5=C1=AA=CD=F8.= =B9=AB=CB=BE Gmail calls it UTF8SMTP instead of SMTPUTF8 isn=A1=AFt the 7bit encoding weird with UTF8? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sending IP has a rDNS, which does not match the ehlo hostname and the = ehlo hostname does not have a SPF record=A1=AD Please don=A1=AFt send the password in the confirmation email! --Apple-Mail=_A8776A3E-3C80-4A57-8DDD-F13FAC3473EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Franck = Martin <fmartin@linkedin.com> = wrote:


On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Jiankang = Yao <yaojk@cnnic.cn> = wrote:

Dear all, 

  =   For those who can recognize the Chinese character, you can log on = the    Following link to register a Chinese email address. You = can also have an opportunity to get iPhone 6 as a prize.


=

Tried it, still waiting for the = confirmation=A1=AD is it working?

Got it, = thanks

Some feedback = now...

Interesting, the left hand side of the @ = was converted to puny-code when sending to my non SMTPUTF8 email server. = I guess it is possible because of the limited character set allowed in = the LHS?

I add to force Firefox to the right = encoding to see  the email source in gmail = correctly

There is no SPF or DKIM, please put = an SPF at least, Gmail thinks this is all spam. I had to look in my junk = folder, may be it thinks it is spam for other reasons, but nowadays you = do at least SPF on mail servers. 
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=3Dnone (google.com: =
XXXX@=BB=A5=C1=AA=CD=F8.=B9=AB=CB=BE does not designate permitted sender =
hosts) smtp.mail=3DXXXX@=BB=A5=C1=AA=CD=F8.=B9=AB=CB=BE
Gmail = calls it UTF8SMTP instead of SMTPUTF8

isn=A1=AFt = the 7bit encoding weird with UTF8?
Content-Type: =
text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
sending IP has a rDNS, which = does not match the ehlo hostname and the ehlo hostname does not have a = SPF record=A1=AD

Please don=A1=AFt send = the password in the confirmation = email!


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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Franck=20 Martin
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2014-12-24 15:34
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Jiankang Yao
=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA ima@ie= tf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA Re: [EAI] Chinese email address
<= /DIV>


 
= > Interesting,=20 the left hand side of the @ was converted to puny-code when sending to my = non=20 SMTPUTF8 email 
=  > server. I guess = it is=20 possible because of the limited character set allowed in the LHS?
> 
=
coremail chooses =20 punycode as a kind of dowingrading mechanism when encountering non-sm= tputf8=20 server.

 
> 
------=_001_NextPart346210031584_=------ From nobody Wed Dec 24 13:03:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC181A1AEB for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVB_jULPHZee for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2D591A1AE8 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3t55-000Crl-HG; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:02:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:02:50 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: yaojk , Franck Martin Message-ID: <74AB4E55C973F120425B40D4@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <2014122416222946049414@cnnic.cn> References: , <2014122416222946049414@cnnic.cn> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/OVKUuLWZyRpMnoO45VLwlV6DlnA Cc: ima Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:03:04 -0000 --On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 16:22 +0800 Jiankang Yao wrote: > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Franck Martin > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A 2014-12-24 15:34 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Jiankang Yao > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A ima@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A Re: [EAI] Chinese email address >=20 >> Interesting, the left hand side of the @ was converted to >> puny-code when sending to my non SMTPUTF8 email=20 > > server. I guess it is possible because of the limited > character set allowed in the LHS? > coremail chooses punycode as a kind of dowingrading mechanism > when encountering non-smtputf8 server. That is, of course, either a bug or a serious violation of the standard. john From nobody Wed Dec 24 13:17:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5121A1AE3 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:17:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0BGBvhL0baz for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com (esv4-mav04.corp.linkedin.com [69.28.149.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924551A1ADA for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linkedin.com; i=@linkedin.com; q=dns/txt; s=proddkim1024; t=1419455870; x=1450991870; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=xBZsfx6F7HNnzTQPJh7SA54ZdAyTpnZv25xYyunIops=; b=m0rPwCfNSs3oLJfzVoJPvFYQHkgjOiq5tW73XGU/3ryuc/ht9a7ZBHqx 4aAiGjq6a9lDGZgxYGYnhKPw6iAIZlKbO2Q7fRmV9HIrA86TbVPzjXFry yEoN7xNku9w0hNs5B0oZQfOsnyoir+QxA4f2okLE+V420vYm6LsWnYk7m 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,639,1413270000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="166775601" Received: from ESV4-MB03.linkedin.biz ([fe80::1caa:1422:7ef8:5ceb]) by ESV4-HT02.linkedin.biz ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:17:50 -0800 From: Franck Martin To: John C Klensin Thread-Topic: [EAI] Chinese email address Thread-Index: AQHQH70AGcANYq2XFEmYFKLLoDKLAZyfxMWA Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:17:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1D64B26D-14FE-4376-BAF6-A00DBAD3B2D6@linkedin.com> References: , <2014122416222946049414@cnnic.cn> <74AB4E55C973F120425B40D4@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <74AB4E55C973F120425B40D4@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.46.253] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5975C3DD-0E60-415D-BBDE-0D7256F08D63"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/8DhTkN3Yga_RHNYEnb9O-dbqtz4 Cc: ima Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:17:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5975C3DD-0E60-415D-BBDE-0D7256F08D63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:02 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 > --On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 16:22 +0800 Jiankang Yao > wrote: >=20 >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Franck Martin >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A 2014-12-24 15:34 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Jiankang Yao >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A ima@ietf.org >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A Re: [EAI] Chinese email address >>=20 >>> Interesting, the left hand side of the @ was converted to >>> puny-code when sending to my non SMTPUTF8 email=20 >>> server. I guess it is possible because of the limited >> character set allowed in the LHS? >=20 >> coremail chooses punycode as a kind of dowingrading mechanism >> when encountering non-smtputf8 server. >=20 > That is, of course, either a bug or a serious violation of the > standard. >=20 Not yet. =46rom previous posts, I assume they have limited the character = set for their mailboxes, which may allow a puny code translation back = and forth. The question is what will happen when they try to email an address they = can=E2=80=99t convert? And back to the problem, how people will understand that these are 2 = different email addresses... --Apple-Mail=_5975C3DD-0E60-415D-BBDE-0D7256F08D63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUmy19AAoJEJHd9Bbysc+a66AH/2DPpe48GYP0LHQu7bXkdFnK i8G5TqrruwePbjI7E6Bec5pMQYppumczwE2kkbAKOv9PVnj5kq3f3zEA9B46TexH M1utK+8svV333jLCC9M09N625u7ksMxTDjvqJdf8sTG7IeMssf2MDGIXC8j59xL6 H0XoxEKFzfdYZBZm1cTRu4SGwTP9X79vQSizIZY6gloT4kMLZDVRzib/QDaFNv4w Q4bWA4YmquJjto7LdLc7103eZcH1+J4y2MReEx6oNafduXoNAPTWyqcndP0zXKEU pDjrBHvg5WgQT668hjWXZ8rMWdyQaRs3sd1BlLgYLK0SpwVxEF5h7ZbuS2EoE4c= =bdCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5975C3DD-0E60-415D-BBDE-0D7256F08D63-- From nobody Wed Dec 24 17:23:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CB81A6F61 for ; 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Date: 2014-12-25 05:17
CC: yaojk; ima
Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address
 
On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:02 PM, John&= nbsp;C Klensin <klensin@jck.com> wrote:
 
> 
> 
> --On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 = 16:22 +0800 Jiankang Yao
> <yaojk@cnnic.cn> wrote:
> 
>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Franck M= artin
>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A 2014= -12-24 15:34
>> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Jiankang = ;Yao
>> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A ima@ietf.org
>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A Re: [EAI] Ch= inese email address
>> 
>>> Interesting, the left hand side=  of the @ was converted to
>>> puny-code when sending to my&nb= sp;non SMTPUTF8 email 
>>> server. I guess it is poss= ible because of the limited
>> character set allowed in the L= HS?
> 
>> coremail chooses  punycode as = a kind of dowingrading mechanism
>> when encountering non-smtputf8 server.
> 
> 
>> That is, of course, = ;either a bug or a serious violation of=  the
>> standard.
>> 
>Not yet. From previous posts, I ass= ume they have limited the character set = ;for their mailboxes, which may allow a = ;puny code translation back and forth.
>
 
coremail chooses to transform their own systems' email address only w= hen=20 encounting non-EAI.
 
>
>The question is what will happen wh= en they try to email an address they&nb= sp;can=E2=80=99t convert?
>
 
Currently, coremail has 2 downgrade mechanisms.
1, transform it to punycode
2, use the alternate address. for example, abc@cnnic.cn and non-ascii@non-ascii.cn are= name=20 alias, which share the same storage. when encountering non-eai, the system= can=20 choose abc@cnnic.cn as an al= ternate=20 address.
 
which mechanism is used is based on the server=20 administrator's confirguration.
of course, the administrator can configure not downgrade too.
 
>
------=_001_NextPart361424868384_=------ From nobody Wed Dec 24 18:46:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73761A6FED for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:46:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tkcfUC1Q6EhL for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF26B1A6FD0 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from h8.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.35] helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3yR7-000Dca-Vm; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:46:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:45:56 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: yaojk , Franck Martin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2014122509222303016622@cnnic.cn> References: , <2014122416222946049414@cnnic.cn> <74AB4E55C973F120425B40D4@JcK-HP8200.jck.com>, <1D64B26D-14FE-4376-BAF6-A00DBAD3B2D6@linkedin.com> <2014122509222303016622@cnnic.cn> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.35 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: klensin@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/gSOEt4wTbW5VR_ddSWG9RLcPPTw Cc: ima Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 02:46:10 -0000 --On Thursday, December 25, 2014 09:23 +0800 Jiankang Yao wrote: >> Not yet. From previous posts, I assume they have limited the >> character set for their mailboxes, which may allow a puny >> code translation back and forth. > > coremail chooses to transform their own systems' email address > only when encounting non-EAI. > >> >> The question is what will happen when they try to email an >> address they can't convert? >> > > Currently, coremail has 2 downgrade mechanisms. > 1, transform it to punycode > 2, use the alternate address. for example, abc@cnnic.cn and > non-ascii@non-ascii.cn are name alias, which share the same > storage. when encountering non-eai, the system can choose > abc@cnnic.cn as an alternate address. > > which mechanism is used is based on the server administrator's > confirguration. of course, the administrator can configure not > downgrade too. I may have misunderstood the issue here, in which case I apologize for the confusion. If the _only_ addresses they are transforming are their own local ones and they are doing it on the submission server or _very_ close to it, then, as far as SMTPUTF8 and (SMTP itself) are concerned, it is just an aliasing issue [1]. With one possible exception [2], character restrictions in addresses are irrelevant to that and Punycode encoding nearly so: any reversible encoding that can handle the original characters to be encoded will do as well; the various restrictions and transformations are part of IDNA, not the Punycode algorithm. One could equally well use Unicode code point ("\uNNNN" or "\u'NNNN'"), hexadecimal ("0xNN" or "%NN"), Base64, or anything else including completely arbitrary ASCII aliases... as long as the addresses would be recognized in the reverse direction, e.g., when the message is replied to. Now, if any of the forward-pointing addresses had non-ASCII local parts, the next-hop system didn't support SMTPUTF8, and the originating system didn't have specific knowledge about aliases for the address, conversion of the local parts of those addresses (via Punycode or anything else) would be a protocol violation. john [1] Note that, as far as SMTP is concerned, matching upper and lower case in a local part is just an aliasing issue too -- one can process aliases in all sorts of ways -- as long as it is done at the delivery server or on a submission server canonicalizing a local address on the way out. If some intermediate server does, e.g., lowercasing of the local-part, it is a protocol violation. So would a submission server altering the local part of a remote address in any way unless it had external knowledge (and, presumably, sender authorization). From nobody Thu Dec 25 04:10:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F7E1A87A5 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:10:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Flg4dQaSQuvR for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A4B91A87A3 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F65FA001E; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.2.0) with esmtpsa id 1419509424-3758-3757/12/22; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:10:24 +0000 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: Jiankang Yao , ima@ietf.org, Franck Martin Message-Id: <9b7a025a79046fae0cc27597acb44edf2b35d6944f5fc3733a14293fceaa3299.sha-256@android.antelope.email> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:10:24 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ima/lCNe6XQoGxpRZDZl5OZVkR8Rpko Subject: Re: [EAI] Chinese email address X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:10:31 -0000 I an not quite sure, but I think I have now heard of three different = downgrade mechanisms, none of which work with each other. At least "down"grade describes the direction very well. Arnt