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20 Mar 2019 03:14:14 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2019 23:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?=" Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "ima@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <1924d25f-1c81-6b96-be24-1597ece038cd@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <20190319205728.A59CC20103B8D6@ary.qy> <1924d25f-1c81-6b96-be24-1597ece038cd@it.aoyama.ac.jp> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-139395014-1553051654=:78847" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [EAI] [dmarc-ietf] I18ndir last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-03 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 03:14:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-139395014-1553051654=:78847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 20 Mar 2019, Martin J. Dürst wrote: >> What do we call mail that's not EAI mail? > > Maybe just that, 'non-EAI mail'? Or something like "mail that needs the > SMTPUTF8 extension for transmission"? Or "mail with non-ASCII addresses"? Non-EAI seems simple enough. >> It's not ASCII mail, since non-EAI messages can contain any character >> sets you want in the message body. > And in comments in headers, if properly encoded. With 8BITMIME, which is supported by pretty much every MTA in the world, UTF-8 message bodies don't need to be encoded. They can include literal UTF-8 or any other character set that interprets ASCII CR/LF as CR/LF. I have an updated version of the draft, will post it once the window reopens. 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22 Mar 2019 02:03:54 -0000 Date: 21 Mar 2019 22:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?=" Cc: "ima@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <58f3b2d1-2e53-c506-4e63-92f414879d27@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <20190319205728.A59CC20103B8D6@ary.qy> <1924d25f-1c81-6b96-be24-1597ece038cd@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <3f77e447-ad28-fc8b-3deb-f90340942c77@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <58f3b2d1-2e53-c506-4e63-92f414879d27@it.aoyama.ac.jp> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [EAI] [dmarc-ietf] I18ndir last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-03 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 02:03:59 -0000 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This happens even if it's just a mail to myself. It may be a setting on > my side (in Thunderbird on Windows, but I don't remember any such > setting). It happens even if the actual mail body is US-ASCII only. Any > explanations, anybody? Thunderbird on my Mac sends unencoded 8bit UTF-8. So it's likely some local setting but I have no idea where to look. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly