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During the resolution of a comment from the Internet Area review we 
added the following sentence to section 5.1:

    The U/L bit has no function in Fibre Channel (because an N_Port_Name
    is used only as an identifier, not as an address to which frames are
    forwarded), however it has to be properly handled when a
    Name_Identifier is converted to an EUI-64 address.

Although the parenthetical sentence is true, it is not really the reason 
why the U/L bit has no function in Fibre Channel, because the uniqueness 
scope of a Fibre Channel Name_Identifier is due to its NAA rather than 
to the fact that it is not used in forwarding. To avoid confusion, I 
propose to just remove the parenthetical sentence, resulting in the 
following sentence:

    The U/L bit has no function in Fibre Channel, however it has to be
    properly handled when a Name_Identifier is converted to an EUI-64
    address.

Thanks,

                           Claudio.


The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from the Internet and Management Support for 
> Storage WG to consider the following document:
> 
> - 'Transmission of IPv6, IPv4 and ARP Packets over Fibre Channel '
>    <draft-ietf-imss-ip-over-fibre-channel-02.txt> as a Proposed Standard
> 
> This document (once approved) will obsolete RFC2625 and RFC3831.
> 
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
> final comments on this action.  Please send any comments to the
> iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2005-11-13.
> 
> The file can be obtained via
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-imss-ip-over-fibre-channel-02.txt
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Please send any corrections, etc. to the list.

Thanks,
--David

Internet and Management Support for Storage (imss) WG
Meeting - Vancouver, Canada
Tuesday, November 8, 2005: 1740-1840
Minutes - DRAFT
------------------------------------------------------

Administrivia, agenda bashing, draft status review, etc.: 15 min
		David L. Black, EMC (new imss WG chair)
	Blue sheets
	Note Well
	Milestones (see WG charter page on IETF web site)
	WG Draft status
		- IP over FC draft is in IETF Last Call
		- FAM and NSM MIBs should go to IETF Last Call by the
			end of next week (Keith McCloghrie and Bert Wijnen
			will coordinate to make this happen).
		- Remaining 3 WG MIBs will go to WG Last Call by end
			of November.

--> Record status

T11.5 Status, Fibre Channel MIBs under development: 20 min
		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)

See slides.

T11.5 has 3 more MIBs that will be sent to the imss WG - Zone Server
MIB, Registered State Change Notification MIB, and Fabric Configuration
Server MIB.  The imss WG's current Apr 06 milestone to determine what
to do next will be replaced by a milestone (later in 2006) to work on
these 3 MIBs.  These 3 MIBs may not be ready for handoff to imss prior
to the next IETF meeting, but the mechanism used in Paris for the VF
MIB can be reused - the imss WG can decide to accept the drafts
as official WG drafts subject to a pending T11 formal votes to pass
change control to the IETF.

T11.5 is considering assigning MIB development responsibility to protocol
development work groups instead of the current approach of having a separate
group that works on MIBs.  This will be discussed at the T11 meetings in
early December.

FLIP (FAIS Line Interface Protocol) Conceptual Discussion: 25 min
		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
	 draft-cummings-imss-flip-00.txt

See presentation.  Netconf appears promising for the configuration
aspects of FLIP, but currently contains no support for events or
notifications from the configured device.  Use of netconf would
result in functionality at the level of the configuration model
instead of a 1-1 match between FAIS API calls and RPCs.  The
required event/notification mechanism needs to be capable of
carrying a fair amount of structured information - it is somewhat
analogous to the use of COPS to ask a policy decision point
"I just received this RSVP reservation request, what should I do
about it?".  There are also concerns about effective transmission
of bulk binary data (encoding in XML is unworkable, but encapsulation
or wrapping in XML is probably ok).  The netconf group is not currently
standardizing schemas, but will want/need to, so this could be a
timely interaction between imss and netconf.

The FLIP concept and suggested use of netconf will be discussed
further in the early December T11 meetings.

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Roger,

1) is an AI to you (Roger).  Please cc: me so that I
	can track the results.

2) will be corrected in the final minutes.

I will also remove your T11.5 chair affiliation from the
FLIP agenda item in the minutes to match the bashed agenda.

Thanks,
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p.s.  How come none of the Symantec pens here at IETF
	work? I'm sitting in front of a pile of them.
	I know ... they're not Veritas pens ;-).
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> David,
> 
> Thanks for posting the minutes so promptly.
> 
> Two minor points:
> 
> 1) Bert made a suggestion that a message is sent to the Netconf mailing
> list soliciting interest in helping with the schema definition. Is that
> an AI to you or I?
> 
> 2) I'd like to modify the last sentence to read " The FLIP concept and
> suggested use of netconf will be discussed further at T11 before the
> next imss meeting." The focus for December has to be resolving FAIS
> Letter Ballot comments, and if that means that the FLIP discussion
> doesn't get done until later, that's the way it should be.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Roger
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Black_David@emc.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:28 PM
> > To: imss@ietf.org
> > Subject: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
> > 
> > Please send any corrections, etc. to the list.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --David
> > 
> > Internet and Management Support for Storage (imss) WG Meeting 
> > - Vancouver, Canada Tuesday, November 8, 2005: 1740-1840 
> > Minutes - DRAFT
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Administrivia, agenda bashing, draft status review, etc.: 15 min
> > 		David L. Black, EMC (new imss WG chair)
> > 	Blue sheets
> > 	Note Well
> > 	Milestones (see WG charter page on IETF web site)
> > 	WG Draft status
> > 		- IP over FC draft is in IETF Last Call
> > 		- FAM and NSM MIBs should go to IETF Last Call by the
> > 			end of next week (Keith McCloghrie and 
> > Bert Wijnen
> > 			will coordinate to make this happen).
> > 		- Remaining 3 WG MIBs will go to WG Last Call by end
> > 			of November.
> > 
> > --> Record status
> > 
> > T11.5 Status, Fibre Channel MIBs under development: 20 min
> > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > 
> > See slides.
> > 
> > T11.5 has 3 more MIBs that will be sent to the imss WG - Zone 
> > Server MIB, Registered State Change Notification MIB, and 
> > Fabric Configuration Server MIB.  The imss WG's current Apr 
> > 06 milestone to determine what to do next will be replaced by 
> > a milestone (later in 2006) to work on these 3 MIBs.  These 3 
> > MIBs may not be ready for handoff to imss prior to the next 
> > IETF meeting, but the mechanism used in Paris for the VF MIB 
> > can be reused - the imss WG can decide to accept the drafts 
> > as official WG drafts subject to a pending T11 formal votes 
> > to pass change control to the IETF.
> > 
> > T11.5 is considering assigning MIB development responsibility 
> > to protocol development work groups instead of the current 
> > approach of having a separate group that works on MIBs.  This 
> > will be discussed at the T11 meetings in early December.
> > 
> > FLIP (FAIS Line Interface Protocol) Conceptual Discussion: 25 min
> > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > 	 draft-cummings-imss-flip-00.txt
> > 
> > See presentation.  Netconf appears promising for the 
> > configuration aspects of FLIP, but currently contains no 
> > support for events or notifications from the configured 
> > device.  Use of netconf would result in functionality at the 
> > level of the configuration model instead of a 1-1 match 
> > between FAIS API calls and RPCs.  The required 
> > event/notification mechanism needs to be capable of carrying 
> > a fair amount of structured information - it is somewhat 
> > analogous to the use of COPS to ask a policy decision point 
> > "I just received this RSVP reservation request, what should I 
> > do about it?".  There are also concerns about effective 
> > transmission of bulk binary data (encoding in XML is 
> > unworkable, but encapsulation or wrapping in XML is probably 
> > ok).  The netconf group is not currently standardizing 
> > schemas, but will want/need to, so this could be a timely 
> > interaction between imss and netconf.
> > 
> > The FLIP concept and suggested use of netconf will be 
> > discussed further in the early December T11 meetings.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > imss mailing list
> > imss@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imss
> > 
> 

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David,

Thanks for posting the minutes so promptly.

Two minor points:

1) Bert made a suggestion that a message is sent to the Netconf mailing
list soliciting interest in helping with the schema definition. Is that
an AI to you or I?

2) I'd like to modify the last sentence to read " The FLIP concept and
suggested use of netconf will be discussed further at T11 before the
next imss meeting." The focus for December has to be resolving FAIS
Letter Ballot comments, and if that means that the FLIP discussion
doesn't get done until later, that's the way it should be.

Regards,




Roger

> -----Original Message-----
> From: imss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org] On=20
> Behalf Of Black_David@emc.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:28 PM
> To: imss@ietf.org
> Subject: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
>=20
> Please send any corrections, etc. to the list.
>=20
> Thanks,
> --David
>=20
> Internet and Management Support for Storage (imss) WG Meeting=20
> - Vancouver, Canada Tuesday, November 8, 2005: 1740-1840=20
> Minutes - DRAFT
> ------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Administrivia, agenda bashing, draft status review, etc.: 15 min
> 		David L. Black, EMC (new imss WG chair)
> 	Blue sheets
> 	Note Well
> 	Milestones (see WG charter page on IETF web site)
> 	WG Draft status
> 		- IP over FC draft is in IETF Last Call
> 		- FAM and NSM MIBs should go to IETF Last Call by the
> 			end of next week (Keith McCloghrie and=20
> Bert Wijnen
> 			will coordinate to make this happen).
> 		- Remaining 3 WG MIBs will go to WG Last Call by end
> 			of November.
>=20
> --> Record status
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> T11.5 Status, Fibre Channel MIBs under development: 20 min
> 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
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> See slides.
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> 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> 	 draft-cummings-imss-flip-00.txt
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> See presentation.  Netconf appears promising for the=20
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> level of the configuration model instead of a 1-1 match=20
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> "I just received this RSVP reservation request, what should I=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: imss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> Roger Cummings
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 20:20
> To: Black_David@emc.com; imss@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Thanks for posting the minutes so promptly.
> 
> Two minor points:
> 
> 1) Bert made a suggestion that a message is sent to the 
> Netconf mailing list soliciting interest in helping with the schema 
> definition. Is that an AI to you or I?
> 

We can go back to listen to the audio if we want to, but I think I mentioned
that I suggested to send a msg to netconf list to inform them about your
FLIP draft and sollicit partcipation/help.

I think I also mentioned that doing a XML schema might be an option,
but if that should be standardized right away is to be determined.
NetConf sofar has not gotten approval from the ADs to do any standardization
work foe XML Schemas. Once we have a schema definition and once we see
people implement/play with it/use it, then we can discuss if we can or
should standardize.

They also are discussing events. And since you seem to have a requirement,
it would be good to clearly specify them and see how well they match with
requirements that others claim in this space.

Bert
> 2) I'd like to modify the last sentence to read " The FLIP concept and
> suggested use of netconf will be discussed further at T11 before the
> next imss meeting." The focus for December has to be resolving FAIS
> Letter Ballot comments, and if that means that the FLIP discussion
> doesn't get done until later, that's the way it should be.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Roger
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Black_David@emc.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:28 PM
> > To: imss@ietf.org
> > Subject: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
> > 
> > Please send any corrections, etc. to the list.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --David
> > 
> > Internet and Management Support for Storage (imss) WG Meeting 
> > - Vancouver, Canada Tuesday, November 8, 2005: 1740-1840 
> > Minutes - DRAFT
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Administrivia, agenda bashing, draft status review, etc.: 15 min
> > 		David L. Black, EMC (new imss WG chair)
> > 	Blue sheets
> > 	Note Well
> > 	Milestones (see WG charter page on IETF web site)
> > 	WG Draft status
> > 		- IP over FC draft is in IETF Last Call
> > 		- FAM and NSM MIBs should go to IETF Last Call by the
> > 			end of next week (Keith McCloghrie and 
> > Bert Wijnen
> > 			will coordinate to make this happen).
> > 		- Remaining 3 WG MIBs will go to WG Last Call by end
> > 			of November.
> > 
> > --> Record status
> > 
> > T11.5 Status, Fibre Channel MIBs under development: 20 min
> > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > 
> > See slides.
> > 
> > T11.5 has 3 more MIBs that will be sent to the imss WG - Zone 
> > Server MIB, Registered State Change Notification MIB, and 
> > Fabric Configuration Server MIB.  The imss WG's current Apr 
> > 06 milestone to determine what to do next will be replaced by 
> > a milestone (later in 2006) to work on these 3 MIBs.  These 3 
> > MIBs may not be ready for handoff to imss prior to the next 
> > IETF meeting, but the mechanism used in Paris for the VF MIB 
> > can be reused - the imss WG can decide to accept the drafts 
> > as official WG drafts subject to a pending T11 formal votes 
> > to pass change control to the IETF.
> > 
> > T11.5 is considering assigning MIB development responsibility 
> > to protocol development work groups instead of the current 
> > approach of having a separate group that works on MIBs.  This 
> > will be discussed at the T11 meetings in early December.
> > 
> > FLIP (FAIS Line Interface Protocol) Conceptual Discussion: 25 min
> > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > 	 draft-cummings-imss-flip-00.txt
> > 
> > See presentation.  Netconf appears promising for the 
> > configuration aspects of FLIP, but currently contains no 
> > support for events or notifications from the configured 
> > device.  Use of netconf would result in functionality at the 
> > level of the configuration model instead of a 1-1 match 
> > between FAIS API calls and RPCs.  The required 
> > event/notification mechanism needs to be capable of carrying 
> > a fair amount of structured information - it is somewhat 
> > analogous to the use of COPS to ask a policy decision point 
> > "I just received this RSVP reservation request, what should I 
> > do about it?".  There are also concerns about effective 
> > transmission of bulk binary data (encoding in XML is 
> > unworkable, but encapsulation or wrapping in XML is probably 
> > ok).  The netconf group is not currently standardizing 
> > schemas, but will want/need to, so this could be a timely 
> > interaction between imss and netconf.
> > 
> > The FLIP concept and suggested use of netconf will be 
> > discussed further in the early December T11 meetings.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > imss mailing list
> > imss@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imss
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Thanks for the clarification, Bert. I'll get a message out to the
netconf list this week once I've posted a new version of the I-D with a
section about requirements for events. I'll also see if I can put in a
summary of the types of function calls in the current API to serve as a
basis for a discussion on the types of operation that will be required.

Regards,




Roger Cummings
Symantec

roger_cummings@symantec.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> > To: Black_David@emc.com; imss@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
> >=20
> >=20
> > David,
> >=20
> > Thanks for posting the minutes so promptly.
> >=20
> > Two minor points:
> >=20
> > 1) Bert made a suggestion that a message is sent to the Netconf=20
> > mailing list soliciting interest in helping with the schema=20
> > definition. Is that an AI to you or I?
> >=20
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> We can go back to listen to the audio if we want to, but I=20
> think I mentioned that I suggested to send a msg to netconf=20
> list to inform them about your FLIP draft and sollicit=20
> partcipation/help.
>=20
> I think I also mentioned that doing a XML schema might be an=20
> option, but if that should be standardized right away is to=20
> be determined.
> NetConf sofar has not gotten approval from the ADs to do any=20
> standardization work foe XML Schemas. Once we have a schema=20
> definition and once we see people implement/play with it/use=20
> it, then we can discuss if we can or should standardize.
>=20
> They also are discussing events. And since you seem to have a=20
> requirement, it would be good to clearly specify them and see=20
> how well they match with requirements that others claim in this space.
>=20
> Bert
> > 2) I'd like to modify the last sentence to read " The FLIP=20
> concept and=20
> > suggested use of netconf will be discussed further at T11=20
> before the=20
> > next imss meeting." The focus for December has to be resolving FAIS=20
> > Letter Ballot comments, and if that means that the FLIP discussion=20
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> >=20
> > Regards,
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> >=20
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> > > From: imss-bounces@ietf.org=20
> [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf=20
> > > Of Black_David@emc.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:28 PM
> > > To: imss@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [imss] Vancouver Minutes (DRAFT)
> > >=20
> > > Please send any corrections, etc. to the list.
> > >=20
> > > Thanks,
> > > --David
> > >=20
> > > Internet and Management Support for Storage (imss) WG Meeting
> > > - Vancouver, Canada Tuesday, November 8, 2005: 1740-1840=20
> Minutes -=20
> > > DRAFT
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > >=20
> > > Administrivia, agenda bashing, draft status review, etc.: 15 min
> > > 		David L. Black, EMC (new imss WG chair)
> > > 	Blue sheets
> > > 	Note Well
> > > 	Milestones (see WG charter page on IETF web site)
> > > 	WG Draft status
> > > 		- IP over FC draft is in IETF Last Call
> > > 		- FAM and NSM MIBs should go to IETF Last Call by the
> > > 			end of next week (Keith McCloghrie and=20
> Bert Wijnen
> > > 			will coordinate to make this happen).
> > > 		- Remaining 3 WG MIBs will go to WG Last Call by end
> > > 			of November.
> > >=20
> > > --> Record status
> > >=20
> > > T11.5 Status, Fibre Channel MIBs under development: 20 min
> > > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > >=20
> > > See slides.
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> > > T11.5 has 3 more MIBs that will be sent to the imss WG -=20
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> > > protocol development work groups instead of the current=20
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> > > having a separate group that works on MIBs.  This will be=20
> discussed=20
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> > >=20
> > > FLIP (FAIS Line Interface Protocol) Conceptual Discussion: 25 min
> > > 		Roger Cummings (Symantec, T11.5 chair)
> > > 	 draft-cummings-imss-flip-00.txt
> > >=20
> > > See presentation.  Netconf appears promising for the=20
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> > > received this RSVP reservation request, what should I do=20
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--NextPart

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Internet and Management Support for Storage Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Transmission of IPv6, IPv4 and ARP Packets over Fibre Channel
	Author(s)	: C. DeSanti, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-imss-ip-over-fibre-channel-03.txt
	Pages		: 32
	Date		: 2005-11-15
	
This document specifies the way of encapsulating IPv6, IPv4 and ARP 
   packets over Fibre Channel.  This document specifies also the method 
   of forming IPv6 link-local addresses and statelessly autoconfigured 
   IPv6 addresses on Fibre Channel networks, and a mechanism to perform 
   IPv4 address resolution over Fibre Channel networks.

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IMSS WG members,

FYI, 

MIB DOctor review. It seems as if it was not
yet posted to the WG list.

Thanks to Orly for the review.

Bert

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Cc: vgaonkar@cisco.com; hvivek@cisco.com; sgai@cisco.com; Wijnen, Bert
(Bert); David Black (E-mail); cds@cisco.com
Subject: RE: New Version Notification -
draft-ietf-imss-fc-nsm-mib-03.txt 


Hi,

While  reviewing  the ID I have not found any critical  issue  and in
general it is well written. However, I like to point to some  
possible clarifications that can be added for non-initiated:
1-The term RSCN is used in few places, I think it will be a good idea to
fully state it in first appearance as Registered State Change
Notification. 
2-sections 5.4.3 and 5.4.4. descriptions are a bit confusing, I had to
read it few times to get it clear. Can it be improved somehow?
 

Other small editorial/administrative suggestions:
1-References Section has
[FC-SW-3]
     "Fibre Channel - Switch Fabric - 3 (FC-SW-3)", ANSI NCITS xxx-xxxx,
     T11/Project 1508-D/Rev 6.6, December 2003.

I am not sure what the xxx-xxxx should be, In fam-mib I saw
[FC-SW-3]
     "Fibre Channel - Switch Fabric - 3 (FC-SW-3)", ANSI INCITS
     384-2004, June 2004.  December 2003.
Having two dates is not ok either, so I suppose both places better  be
fixed during final publication


2-[FC-FAM-MIB]
     DeSanti, C., Gaonkar, V., McCloghrie, K., and S. Gai, "Fibre-
     Channel Fabric Address Manager MIB", Internet-Draft (draft-ietf-
     imss-fc-fam-mib-nn.txt), work-in-progress.

According to the memo 3rd paragraph it is inappropriate to use
Internet-Drafts as reference
   material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." so it has
to be changed to
-[FC-FAM-MIB]
     DeSanti, C., Gaonkar, V., McCloghrie, K., and S. Gai, "Fibre-
     Channel Fabric Address Manager MIB",  work-in-progress.

3-in the reference clause of some MIB objects, it is common today to
state the item  within [] and not within (). Example page 11.(very small
issue)
4-section 4 Relationship to Other MIBs, has the word focussed in the
first line, (typo err) should be changed to focused
5-at the very end of the MIB typo err:
t11NsNotifyGroup        NOTIFICATION-GROUP
    NOTIFICATIONS {t11NsRejectRegNotify }
    STATUS current
    DESCRIPTION
           "A collection of notifications for monitoring
           rejections of Name Server regsitrations."
                                                 ^
                                                 registrations

Compilation tools and nits were fine.

Orly

-----Original Message-----
From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 17:54
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Orly has agreed/volunteered to review this MIB document with a target
completion date of end of october.

Thanks Orly!

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According to the draft editor, the following minor changes were
made from the -02 to the -03 version of the IP over FC draft in
response to IETF Last Call comments:

- In the front page, changed the word "replaces" to "obsoletes";
- In section 1, changed 2 times the word "replaces" to "obsoletes";
- In section 5.1, removed the sentence "(because an N_Port_Name is used
    only as an identifier, not as an address to which frames are
forwarded)";
- In section 16, added the sentence "as well as the authors of
   [RFC-2625] and [RFC-3831]".

The draft tracker shows the draft as now being in IESG Evaluation
for final approval as an RFC.

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Hi,

The review of the FC Name Server MIB by a MIB Doctor (Orly Nicklass)
and our Area Director (Bert Wijnen) raised a number of minor issues.
The most significant was this clarification:

> > ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/ftp/kzm/draft-ietf-imss-fc-nsm-mib-04.txt
> > 
> > - smicng says:
> >     E: f(fcnsm.mi2), (693,13) Index item "t11NsRegFc4TypeValue"
> >     must be defined with syntax that includes a range
> > 
> >   So are all possible values of an Unsigned32 valid? Even then 
> >   it is easy to include a range. I think I understand why zero
> >   is a valid (index) value. You may add a few words about that too.
>  
> I had to do some research to check the answer to this, and I've 
> included the results of my research in the updated definition:
> 
>   t11NsRegFc4TypeValue OBJECT-TYPE
>       SYNTAX          Unsigned32 (0..255)
>       MAX-ACCESS      not-accessible
>       STATUS          current
>       DESCRIPTION
>              "An integer value which identifies an FC-4 TYPE value
>              (representing a particular protocol type, as specified
>              in FC-FS) for which an FC-4 Descriptor has been
>              registered.
> 
>              An instance of this object contains a 'Type value'
>              which corresponds to a '1' bit in the value of the
>              t11NsRegFc4Type registered for the same port;
>              this correspondence is as specified in FC-GS-4."
>       REFERENCE
>              "ANSI INCITS 387-2004, Fibre Channel - Generic
>                 Services-4 (FC-GS-4), section 5.2.3.8, and
>              ANSI INCITS 373-2003, Fibre Channel - Framing and
>                 Signaling (FC-FS), section 9.6, Table 29."
>       ::= { t11NsRegFc4DescriptorEntry 1 }

The updated document is at

  ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/ftp/kzm/draft-ietf-imss-fc-nsm-mib-04.txt
 
I plan to submit as an updated I-D in a few days.

Thanks to Orly and Bert for their reviews,

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This draft is a work item of the Internet and Management Support for Storage Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Fibre Channel Fabric Address Manager MIB
	Author(s)	: C. DeSanti, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-imss-fc-fam-mib-03.txt
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The IESG has received a request from the Internet and Management Support for 
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- 'Fibre Channel Fabric Address Manager MIB '
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	Title		: The Virtual Fabrics MIB 
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This is to announce an imss WG Last Call on the following
three MIB drafts:

                 Fibre-Channel Routing Information MIB
                   draft-ietf-imss-fc-rtm-mib-01.txt

      MIB for Fibre-Channel's Fabric Shortest Path First Protocol
                   draft-ietf-imss-fc-fspf-mib-01.txt

                           The Virtual Fabrics MIB 
                      draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-00.txt
 
Note that the Virtual Fabrics MIB is not the initial imss WG
draft  of this MIB despite its -00 version number.  Due to
some confusion, it was necessary to change the name of the draft
for this MIB from its previous name, which was also an imss
WG draft.  That name change is recorded in the IETF draft tracker:
	https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi

This WG Last Call will run through 12 midnight Eastern Time on
Sunday, December 18, 2005 (your WG chair hopes to deal with
Last Call results on Monday, December 19th or shortly thereafter).

Technical comments *must* be sent to the imss mailing list.
Editorial comments may be sent directly to the draft editors
(but please cc: me):

	Routing Information and FSPF MIBs:
		Keith McCloghrie [kzm@cisco.com]
	Virtual Fabrics MIB:
		Scott Kipp [scott.kipp@mcdata.com]

Thanks,
--David (imss WG chair)
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Internet and Management Support for Storage Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Fibre-Channel Name Server MIB
	Author(s)	: C. DeSanti, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-imss-fc-nsm-mib-04.txt
	Pages		: 38
	Date		: 2005-11-30
	
This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for information related
   to the Name Server function of a Fibre Channel network.  The Fibre
   Channel Name Server provides a means for Fibre Channel ports to
   register and discover Fibre Channel names and attributes.

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