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As the comments in these review are relatively minor or editorial, I recommend sending the document to IETF Last Call, and consider these comments as LC comments, to be processed and fixed (if necessary) together with other LC comments. T1. Should not the arrows for Get Policy Summary and Get Policy Objects in the diagram in 3.4.4 be bi-directional? T2. The DESCRIPTION clause of the T11FcSpHashCalculationStatus TC - 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error ('wrongValue')." As a MIB module could in theory be used with other protocols than SNMP a better formulation is 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error (SNMP 'wrongValue' or the equivalent in other protocols)." T3. Why is not T11FcSpAlphaNumName an SnmpAdminName with the appropriate size limitation? T4. I do not see storage defined for t11FcSpPoOperTable and no storageType object either E1. Running idnits results in the following references warnings: -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2837 (Obsoleted by RFC 4044) -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ikeaction-mib-nn - is the name correct? -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ipsecaction-mib-nn - is the name correct? E2. Please expand the following acronyms at first occurrence: HBA, ESP, SAID E3. Delete the comment on the SYNTAX line of the T11FcSpPrecedence definition E4. Does the notation INCITS xxx/200x mean that the x values need to be filled in? In this case these values should be filled in until the time the document is submitted for approval to the IESG, or appropriate RFC Editor notes should be created to instruct the RFC Editor what to do. Dan _______________________________________________ imss mailing list imss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imss From imss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 5 09:05:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: imss-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-imss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70EA28C109; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: imss@ietf.org Delivered-To: imss@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 16B363A698C; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20080605160527.16B363A698C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imss@ietf.org Subject: [imss] Last Call: draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcsp-mib (MIB for Fibre-Channel Security Protocols (FC-SP)) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: imss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Internet and Management Support for Storage Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: imss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: imss-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Internet and Management Support for Storage WG (imss) to consider the following document: - 'MIB for Fibre-Channel Security Protocols (FC-SP) ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcsp-mib-02.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16381&rfc_flag=0 _______________________________________________ imss mailing list imss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imss From imss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 6 07:49:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: imss-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-imss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF2628C1D8; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: imss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: imss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B93728C1C7 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQMdC0YfBpcd for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7405628C1B8 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,600,1204531200"; d="scan'208";a="109437305" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2008 07:49:00 -0700 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m56En0Ak005766; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:49:00 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m56EmxpP026447; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:48:59 GMT Received: (from kzm@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id HAA25946; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith McCloghrie Message-Id: <200806061445.HAA25946@cisco.com> To: dromasca@avaya.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" at Jun 05, 2008 04:50:31 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=6020; t=1212763740; x=1213627740; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=kzm@cisco.com; z=From:=20Keith=20McCloghrie=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[imss]=20AD=20Review=20for=20draft-ietf -imss-fc-fcsp-mib-02.txt |Sender:=20; bh=q4rW6tYZSxd+Avy9EZz1Fbt+o1lmmmzwhy3SIFN3In8=; b=W4dSs4kXWXm7f1tT52LKgTGLpl3icadNZkflNzlweleziPtM/xjmNYMgkK HZHrUn8xU3Lg1WrRef9Y4zEDuBal6gOFpOAbsXticJGmyjAplghtu86HQOi7 Ws9+6QU4h3; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=kzm@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: imss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [imss] AD Review for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcsp-mib-02.txt X-BeenThere: imss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet and Management Support for Storage Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: imss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: imss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, Thanks for your comments. My responses are below. > The document is mature and seems stable. As the comments in these review > are relatively minor or editorial, I recommend sending the document to > IETF Last Call, and consider these comments as LC comments, to be > processed and fixed (if necessary) together with other LC comments. > > T1. Should not the arrows for Get Policy Summary and Get Policy Objects > in the diagram in 3.4.4 be bi-directional? I think the I-D is correct because the diagram in 3.4.4 is meant to be a copy of Figure 25 of FC-SP, and indeed it is a faithful copy in respect to the directions of the "Get Policy Summary and Get Policy Objects" arrows. So, I think you're asking whether FC-SP has the arrows in the correct direction(s), and I think the answer to that question is: the arrows indicate the movement of "data", rather than of "messages". In other words, a "Get" (with no data) goes in one direction and a Response (typically with data) to the Get goes in the reverse direction, So, while the messages are bi-directional, the diagram has arrows for the "with data", not for the "without data" direction. > T2. The DESCRIPTION clause of the T11FcSpHashCalculationStatus TC - > 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error > ('wrongValue')." As a MIB module could in theory be used with other > protocols than SNMP a better formulation is 'Writing a value of > 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error (SNMP 'wrongValue' or > the equivalent in other protocols)." If I recall correctly, Bert asked me to include "wrongValue", and you're correct: I should have done so as an example. I'd prefer to change it to be: 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error (e.g., 'wrongValue')." (Note that 'worngValue' is not correct for all versions of SNMP.) > T3. Why is not T11FcSpAlphaNumName an SnmpAdminName with the appropriate > size limitation? Because section 3.5 of RFC 2579 says: Note that this means that the SYNTAX clause of a Textual Convention can not refer to a previously defined Textual Convention. > T4. I do not see storage defined for t11FcSpPoOperTable and no > storageType object either Correct. I don't believe they are not needed because: 1. This is a read-write (not read-create) table. 2. The two write-able objects in this table are both defined as: When read, the value of this object is always the zero- length string. So, new values of these two objects are not persistent even for the time taken for the SetRequest (e.g., much less than across restarts). 3. For the two remaining objects in the table, one is defined to have the value 'none' when "activation/de-activation has not been attempted since the last restart of the management system", and the other is defined to be the zero-length string in that situation. > E1. Running idnits results in the following references warnings: > > -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2837 > (Obsoleted by RFC 4044) Yes, it's intentional. The text reads: The first standardized MIB module for Fibre Channel [RFC2837] was focussed on Fibre Channel Switches. It was obsoleted by the more generic Fibre Channel Management MIB [RFC4044] which defines basic information for Fibre Channel Nodes and Switches, including ... > -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ikeaction-mib-nn - is the > name > correct? > -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ipsecaction-mib-nn - is > the > name correct? The names are correct because their numbers have been replaced by "nn" so as to implictly refer to the most recent versions. It was hoped that these two documents would have progressed in advance of the FC-SP MIB, but it looks like FC-SP MIB is about to overtake them. The current text which references them is: The management of certificates, Certification Authorities and Certificate Revocation Lists is the same in Fibre Channel networks as it is in other networks. Therefore, this document does not define any MIB objects for such management. Instead, this document assumes that appropriate MIB objects are defined elsewhere, e.g., in [IPSP- IPSEC-ACTION] and [IPSP-IKE-ACTION]. I don't know of alternate references, and it seems to me better to include them here rather than not to have any references. What would you suggest ?? > E2. Please expand the following acronyms at first occurrence: HBA, ESP, > SAID HBA - yes, I can expand HBA. ESP - its first use, as an acronym, is already expanded -- when used as "ESP_Header" it is the name of a mechanism, i.e., not an acronym. SAID - is the name of a field in a PDU, i.e., not an acronym. > E3. Delete the comment on the SYNTAX line of the T11FcSpPrecedence > definition My preference would be to delete the range *and* the comment because I think the range by itself is misleading. That is, when I read a syntax with an explicit range, my instinctive reaction is that a range other than the default is being specified, which is untrue in this case (because the default range is being used). However, Bert insisted that the range be included, and therefore to mitigate the risk of confusion, I believe that: if the range is necessary, then so is the comment. However, I will remove the exclamation marks if you wish. > E4. Does the notation INCITS xxx/200x mean that the x values need to be > filled in? In this case these values should be filled in until the time > the document is submitted for approval to the IESG, or appropriate RFC > Editor notes should be created to instruct the RFC Editor what to do. Correct. David has provided the instructions to the RFC Editor for these numbers in previous docuemnts done by this WG. 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Does the notation INCITS xxx/200x mean that the x values need to be > > filled in? In this case these values should be filled in until the time > > the document is submitted for approval to the IESG, or appropriate RFC > > Editor notes should be created to instruct the RFC Editor what to do. > > Correct. David has provided the instructions to the RFC Editor for > these numbers in previous documents done by this WG. Ok, here goes ... OLD: "INCITS xxx/200x, T11/Project 1570-D/Rev 1.8, Fibre Channel - Security Protocols (FC-SP), 13 June 2006, NEW: "Fibre Channel - Security Protocols (FC-SP), INCITS 426-2007, OLD: " - Fibre Channel - Framing and Signaling-2 (FC-FS-2), INCITS xxx/200x, Project T11/1619-D Rev 1.01, 8 August 2006, NEW: " - Fibre Channel - Framing and Signaling-2 (FC-FS-2), INCITS 424-2007, OLD: [FC-SP] "Fibre Channel - Security Protocols (FC-SP)", ANSI INCITS xxx-2002, http://www.t11.org/t11/stat.nsf/upnum/1570-d, T11/Project 1570-D/Rev 1.8, 13 June 2003. NEW: [FC-SP] "Fibre Channel - Security Protocols (FC-SP)", ANSI INCITS 426-2007, http://www.t11.org/t11/stat.nsf/upnum/1570-d, June 2006. There are multiple instances of each of the first two changes. The third change corrects a reference citation. It looks like we'll need one more version of this draft after IETF Last Call is complete (June 19); these changes can be made at that time. Thanks, --David (imss WG chair) ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: imss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:imss-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Keith McCloghrie > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:46 AM > To: dromasca@avaya.com > Cc: imss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [imss] AD Review for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcsp-mib-02.txt > > Hi Dan, > > Thanks for your comments. My responses are below. > > > The document is mature and seems stable. As the comments in these review > > are relatively minor or editorial, I recommend sending the document to > > IETF Last Call, and consider these comments as LC comments, to be > > processed and fixed (if necessary) together with other LC comments. > > > > T1. Should not the arrows for Get Policy Summary and Get Policy Objects > > in the diagram in 3.4.4 be bi-directional? > > I think the I-D is correct because the diagram in 3.4.4 is meant to be > a copy of Figure 25 of FC-SP, and indeed it is a faithful copy in > respect to the directions of the "Get Policy Summary and Get Policy > Objects" arrows. So, I think you're asking whether FC-SP has the > arrows in the correct direction(s), and I think the answer to that > question is: the arrows indicate the movement of "data", rather than > of "messages". In other words, a "Get" (with no data) goes in one > direction and a Response (typically with data) to the Get goes in the > reverse direction, So, while the messages are bi-directional, the > diagram has arrows for the "with data", not for the "without data" > direction. > > > T2. The DESCRIPTION clause of the T11FcSpHashCalculationStatus TC - > > 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error > > ('wrongValue')." As a MIB module could in theory be used with other > > protocols than SNMP a better formulation is 'Writing a value of > > 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error (SNMP 'wrongValue' or > > the equivalent in other protocols)." > > If I recall correctly, Bert asked me to include "wrongValue", and you're > correct: I should have done so as an example. I'd prefer to change it > to be: > > 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an > error (e.g., 'wrongValue')." > > (Note that 'worngValue' is not correct for all versions of SNMP.) > > > T3. Why is not T11FcSpAlphaNumName an SnmpAdminName with the appropriate > > size limitation? > > Because section 3.5 of RFC 2579 says: > Note that > this means that the SYNTAX clause of a Textual Convention can not > refer to a previously defined Textual Convention. > > > T4. I do not see storage defined for t11FcSpPoOperTable and no > > storageType object either > > Correct. I don't believe they are not needed because: > > 1. This is a read-write (not read-create) table. > > 2. The two write-able objects in this table are both defined as: > > When read, the value of this object is always the zero- > length string. > > So, new values of these two objects are not persistent even for the > time taken for the SetRequest (e.g., much less than across restarts). > > 3. For the two remaining objects in the table, one is defined to > have the value 'none' when "activation/de-activation has not been > attempted since the last restart of the management system", and > the other is defined to be the zero-length string in that situation. > > > E1. Running idnits results in the following references warnings: > > > > -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2837 > > (Obsoleted by RFC 4044) > > Yes, it's intentional. The text reads: > > The first standardized MIB module for Fibre Channel [RFC2837] was > focussed on Fibre Channel Switches. It was obsoleted by the more > generic Fibre Channel Management MIB [RFC4044] which defines basic > information for Fibre Channel Nodes and Switches, including ... > > > -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ikeaction-mib-nn - is the name > > correct? > > -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ipsecaction-mib-nn - is the > > name correct? > > The names are correct because their numbers have been replaced by "nn" > so as to implictly refer to the most recent versions. It was hoped that > these two documents would have progressed in advance of the FC-SP MIB, > but it looks like FC-SP MIB is about to overtake them. The current > text which references them is: > > The management of certificates, Certification Authorities and > Certificate Revocation Lists is the same in Fibre Channel networks as > it is in other networks. Therefore, this document does not define > any MIB objects for such management. Instead, this document assumes > that appropriate MIB objects are defined elsewhere, e.g., in [IPSP- > IPSEC-ACTION] and [IPSP-IKE-ACTION]. > > I don't know of alternate references, and it seems to me better to include > them here rather than not to have any references. What would > you suggest ?? > > > E2. Please expand the following acronyms at first occurrence: HBA, ESP, > > SAID > > HBA - yes, I can expand HBA. > ESP - its first use, as an acronym, is already expanded -- when used as > "ESP_Header" it is the name of a mechanism, i.e., not an acronym. > SAID - is the name of a field in a PDU, i.e., not an acronym. > > > E3. Delete the comment on the SYNTAX line of the T11FcSpPrecedence > > definition > > My preference would be to delete the range *and* the comment because I > think the range by itself is misleading. That is, when I read a syntax > with an explicit range, my instinctive reaction is that a range other > than the default is being specified, which is untrue in this case > (because the default range is being used). However, Bert insisted that > the range be included, and therefore to mitigate the risk of confusion, > I believe that: if the range is necessary, then so is the comment. > However, I will remove the exclamation marks if you wish. > > > E4. Does the notation INCITS xxx/200x mean that the x values need to be > > filled in? In this case these values should be filled in until the time > > the document is submitted for approval to the IESG, or appropriate RFC > > Editor notes should be created to instruct the RFC Editor what to do. > > Correct. 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Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith McCloghrie [mailto:kzm@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:46 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: imss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [imss] AD Review for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcsp-mib-02.txt > > Hi Dan, > > Thanks for your comments. My responses are below. > > > The document is mature and seems stable. As the comments in these > > review are relatively minor or editorial, I recommend sending the > > document to IETF Last Call, and consider these comments as LC > > comments, to be processed and fixed (if necessary) together > with other LC comments. > > > > T1. Should not the arrows for Get Policy Summary and Get Policy > > Objects in the diagram in 3.4.4 be bi-directional? > > I think the I-D is correct because the diagram in 3.4.4 is > meant to be a copy of Figure 25 of FC-SP, and indeed it is a > faithful copy in respect to the directions of the "Get Policy > Summary and Get Policy Objects" arrows. So, I think you're > asking whether FC-SP has the arrows in the correct > direction(s), and I think the answer to that question is: > the arrows indicate the movement of "data", rather than of > "messages". In other words, a "Get" (with no data) goes in > one direction and a Response (typically with data) to the Get > goes in the reverse direction, So, while the messages are > bi-directional, the diagram has arrows for the "with data", > not for the "without data" > direction. Then a few explanatory words near the diagram would help readers like me who are unaware of the convention. > > > T2. The DESCRIPTION clause of the T11FcSpHashCalculationStatus TC - > > 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error > > ('wrongValue')." As a MIB module could in theory be used with other > > protocols than SNMP a better formulation is 'Writing a value of > > 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an error (SNMP > 'wrongValue' or > > the equivalent in other protocols)." > > If I recall correctly, Bert asked me to include "wrongValue", > and you're > correct: I should have done so as an example. I'd prefer to > change it to be: > > 'Writing a value of 'correct' or 'stale' to this object is an > error (e.g., 'wrongValue')." > > (Note that 'worngValue' is not correct for all versions of SNMP.) Well, SNMPv3 IS SNMP nowadays, but I would not argue too much as long as 'wrongValue' is indicated as an example only. > > > T3. Why is not T11FcSpAlphaNumName an SnmpAdminName with the > > appropriate size limitation? > > Because section 3.5 of RFC 2579 says: > Note that > this means that the SYNTAX clause of a Textual Convention can not > refer to a previously defined Textual Convention. OK. > > > T4. I do not see storage defined for t11FcSpPoOperTable and no > > storageType object either > > Correct. I don't believe they are not needed because: > > 1. This is a read-write (not read-create) table. > > 2. The two write-able objects in this table are both defined as: > > When read, the value of this object is always the zero- > length string. > > So, new values of these two objects are not persistent even > for the time taken for the SetRequest (e.g., much less than > across restarts). > > 3. For the two remaining objects in the table, one is defined > to have the value 'none' when "activation/de-activation has > not been attempted since the last restart of the management > system", and the other is defined to be the zero-length > string in that situation. OK. > > > E1. Running idnits results in the following references warnings: > > > > -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2837 > > (Obsoleted by RFC 4044) > > Yes, it's intentional. The text reads: > > The first standardized MIB module for Fibre Channel [RFC2837] was > focussed on Fibre Channel Switches. It was obsoleted by the more > generic Fibre Channel Management MIB [RFC4044] which defines basic > information for Fibre Channel Nodes and Switches, including ... OK > > > -- No information found for draft-ietf-ipsp-ikeaction-mib-nn - is > > the name > > correct? > > -- No information found for > draft-ietf-ipsp-ipsecaction-mib-nn - is > > the > > name correct? > > The names are correct because their numbers have been replaced by "nn" > so as to implictly refer to the most recent versions. It was > hoped that these two documents would have progressed in > advance of the FC-SP MIB, but it looks like FC-SP MIB is > about to overtake them. The current text which references them is: > > The management of certificates, Certification Authorities and > Certificate Revocation Lists is the same in Fibre Channel > networks as > it is in other networks. Therefore, this document does not define > any MIB objects for such management. Instead, this > document assumes > that appropriate MIB objects are defined elsewhere, e.g., in [IPSP- > IPSEC-ACTION] and [IPSP-IKE-ACTION]. > > I don't know of alternate references, and it seems to me > better to include them here rather than not to have any > references. What would you suggest ?? Just replace nn with 02 which is the latest version of the ipsp MIB documents to make idnits happy. I am not too optimistic about their fate, but I agree that a reader should be able to find out in the future what were the assumptions that were made at the time the documents were written. > > > E2. Please expand the following acronyms at first occurrence: HBA, > > ESP, SAID > > HBA - yes, I can expand HBA. > ESP - its first use, as an acronym, is already expanded -- > when used as > "ESP_Header" it is the name of a mechanism, i.e., not > an acronym. > SAID - is the name of a field in a PDU, i.e., not an acronym. OK > > > E3. Delete the comment on the SYNTAX line of the T11FcSpPrecedence > > definition > > My preference would be to delete the range *and* the comment > because I think the range by itself is misleading. That is, > when I read a syntax with an explicit range, my instinctive > reaction is that a range other than the default is being > specified, which is untrue in this case (because the default > range is being used). However, Bert insisted that the range > be included, and therefore to mitigate the risk of confusion, > I believe that: if the range is necessary, then so is the comment. > However, I will remove the exclamation marks if you wish. OK > > > E4. Does the notation INCITS xxx/200x mean that the x > values need to > > be filled in? In this case these values should be filled in > until the > > time the document is submitted for approval to the IESG, or > > appropriate RFC Editor notes should be created to instruct > the RFC Editor what to do. > > Correct. David has provided the instructions to the RFC > Editor for these numbers in previous docuemnts done by this WG. 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