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(as WG cochair)

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-06.txt=20

has recently been posted.

The main open issue to resolve has been the terminology part of the documen=
t. This has now been substantially revised based on discussion.

I would therefore ask the working group to review the document, particularl=
y section 3, and indicate in they have concerns such that more work is need=
ed to close open issues before we begin working group last call.

Please respond before Monday 10th June if you think more development work i=
s needed.

Regards

Keith

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I appreciate accepting the defining text I provided, but as I noted on 
list when we were discussing it, the text that was already in the 
document needs to be simplified and changed to be consistent with that 
definition.

Specifically, what is now section 3.2 needs to be significantly 
simplified to remove the confusion 3.1 tries to clarify.

Per 3.1, the session is a set of messages. It does not help for 3.2 to 
try to describe it as one or more SIP transactions (and later as SIP 
dialogs).

I strongly suggest reducing 3.2 to a very simple list of examples, 
stated in terms of _messages_ and remove the expository text completely.

RjS



On 6/3/13 2:45 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> (as WG cochair)
>
> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-06.txt
>
> has recently been posted.
>
> The main open issue to resolve has been the terminology part of the document. This has now been substantially revised based on discussion.
>
> I would therefore ask the working group to review the document, particularly section 3, and indicate in they have concerns such that more work is needed to close open issues before we begin working group last call.
>
> Please respond before Monday 10th June if you think more development work is needed.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith
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Section 3.1 uses "session" and "communication session" interchangeably. I t=
hink it should use one or the other, and the rest of the draft should align=
 this that convention.=20
Once you do that, you essentially provide the definition of the session/com=
munication within section 3.1; consequently section 3.2 can go away or be t=
runcated as Robert suggests. In any case, it and the rest of the draft need=
s to use the same term, be it "session" or "communication session", as defi=
ned in section 3.1.=20

Cheers,
Charles

> -----Original Message-----
> From: insipid-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:insipid-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal=
f
> Of Robert Sparks
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:52 PM
> To: insipid@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Insipid] Is the requirements document now complete?
>=20
> I appreciate accepting the defining text I provided, but as I noted on
> list when we were discussing it, the text that was already in the
> document needs to be simplified and changed to be consistent with that
> definition.
>=20
> Specifically, what is now section 3.2 needs to be significantly
> simplified to remove the confusion 3.1 tries to clarify.
>=20
> Per 3.1, the session is a set of messages. It does not help for 3.2 to
> try to describe it as one or more SIP transactions (and later as SIP
> dialogs).
>=20
> I strongly suggest reducing 3.2 to a very simple list of examples,
> stated in terms of _messages_ and remove the expository text completely.
>=20
> RjS
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 6/3/13 2:45 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> > (as WG cochair)
> >
> > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-06.txt
> >
> > has recently been posted.
> >
> > The main open issue to resolve has been the terminology part of the
> document. This has now been substantially revised based on discussion.
> >
> > I would therefore ask the working group to review the document, particu=
larly
> section 3, and indicate in they have concerns such that more work is need=
ed to
> close open issues before we begin working group last call.
> >
> > Please respond before Monday 10th June if you think more development
> work is needed.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Keith
> > _______________________________________________
> > insipid mailing list
> > insipid@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/insipid
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> _______________________________________________
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the INtermediary-safe SIP session ID Working =
Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Requirements for an End-to-End Session Identification in=
 IP-Based Multimedia Communication Networks
	Author(s)       : Paul E. Jones
                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
                          James Polk
                          Laura Liess
                          Hadriel Kaplan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-07.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2013-06-12

Abstract:
   This document specifies the requirements for an end-to-end session
   identifier in IP-based multimedia communication networks.  This
   identifier would enable endpoints, intermediate devices, and
   management and monitoring systems to identify a session end-to-end
   across multiple SIP devices, hops, and administrative domains.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-07

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts-07


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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Taking input from various folks, I posted a revision to the requirements
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Please consider participation...

Gonzalo


Begin forwarded message:

> From: NomCom Chair 2013 <nomcom-chair-2013@ietf.org>
> Subject: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATE of validated volunteers list so far
> Date: June 19, 2013 6:14:22 PM EDT
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> Reply-To: <ietf@ietf.org>, <nomcom-chair-2013@ietf.org>
>=20
> Below is the current validated list of volunteers for Nomcom
> 2013.  If your name has a *, I'm waiting for a message back
> from you.
>=20
> Big thanks to everyone who has volunteered!
>=20
> Now what are the rest of you waiting for?
>=20
> We still need quite a few to get up to 200 volunteers.
> Please reply and volunteer - include in the email: your
> First Name, Last Name, email addresses you've used in the
> last few years in registering for IETF meetings, preferred
> email address, primary affiliation, and a contact phone
> number for use if you're selected.
>=20
> Thanks,=20
>=20
> Allison Mankin
> Nomcom 2013 Chair
>=20
>=20
> 1 John Scudder
> 2 Stephen Hanna
> 3 Wassim Haddad
> 4 Russ White
> 5 Stephan Wenger
> 6 ZHAO Yi
> 7 Eric Gray
> 8 Steve Kent
> 9 Toerless Eckert
> 10 Alia Atlas
> 11 Victor Kuarsingh
> 12 Yizhou LI
> 13 Gonzalo Salgueiro
> 14 Gang CHEN
> 15 Ning KONG
> 16 Marcelo Bagnulo
> 17 SHEN Shuo =E6=B2=88=E7=83=81 (Sean)
> 18 Fernando Gont
> 19 Glen Zorn
> 20 Reinaldo Penno
> 21 Klaas Wierenga
> 22 Pascal Thubert
> 23 Mehmet Ersue
> 24 Ole Troan
> 25 Jouni Korhonen
> 26 Giles Heron
> 27 Gunter Van de Velde
> 28 Arturo Servin
> 29 Eric Vyncke
> 30 Cullen Jennings
> 31 Tina Tsou
> 32 Dhruv Dhody
> 33 Hongyu LI (Julio)
> 34 Scott Mansfield
> 35 John Drake
> 36 Andrew McLachlan
> 37 Derek Atkins
> 38 Suhas Nandakumar
> 39 Eric Rescorla
> 40 Karen Seo
> 41 Stig Venaas
> 42 Stan Ratliff
> 43 Ignas Bagdonas
> 44 Peter Yee
> 45 Donald Eastlake
> 46 ZHOU Qian (Cathy)
> 47 Sam Hartman
> 48 Lixia Zhang
> 49 Teemu Savolainen
> 50 Alvaro Retana
> 51 Terry Manderson
> 52 Bill VerSteeg
> 53 Melinda Shore
> 54 IJsbrand Wijnands
> 55 Karen O'Donoghue
> 56 Benson Schliesser
> 57 Ari Ker=C3=A4nen
> 58 Fangwei HU
> 59 Mach CHEN
> 60 Hui Deng
> 61 LIU Dapeng
> 62 Jaap Akkerhuis
> 63 Magnus Westerlund
> 64 Zehn CAO
> 65 Zaheduzzaman Sarker
> 66 Bhumip Khasnabish
> 67 Andrew Chi
> 68 Thomas Nadeau
> 69 Steven C (Craig) Whilte
> 70 Orit Levin
> 71 Sam Aldrin
> 72 Paul Ebersman
> 73 Christopher Liljenstolpe
> 74 Uma Chunduri
> 75 Suresh Krishnan
> 76 Varun Singh
> 77 Ron Bonica
> 78 Bill (William) Manning
> 79 Radia Perlman
> 80 Daniele Ceccarelli
> 81 Deborah Brungard
> 82 Kostas Pentikousis
> 83 Gregory Mirsky
> 84 Dave Sinicrope
> 85 Thomas Walsh
> 86 Zhaohui (Jeffrey) ZHANG
> 87 Xian ZHANG
> 88 Mark Townsley
> 89 Hannes Gredler
> 90 Brian Trammell
> 91 Carlos Martinez
> 92 Peter Koch
> 93 Daniel Migault
> 94 Yi (Aaron) Ding
> 95 Michael Richardson
> 96 Sohel Khan
> 97 John Bradley
> 98 Huaimo Chen
> 99 Matthew Campagna
> 100 Keith Drage
> 101 Chris Bowers
> 102 Jakob Heitz
> 103 Tomofumi Okubo
> 104 Emil Ivov
> 105 Timothy B. Terriberry
> 106 JIANG Yuanlong
> 107 Luigi Iannone
> 108 Damien Saucez
> 109 Lou Berger
> 110 Yana Stamcheva
> 111 Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD
> 112 Marcin Pilarski
> 113 Michael StJohns
> 114 Wes George
> 115 Christian O'Flaherty
> 116 Uwe Rauschenbach
> 117 Olafur Gudmundsson
> 118 Shwetha Subray Bhandari*
> 119 Tobias Gondrom
> 120 Christer Holmberg
> 121 Susan Hares
> 122 Kiran Kumar Chittimaneni
> 123 Donald Fedyk
> 124 Stephen Botzko*
> 125 Li Xue*
> 126 John Sauer*
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  ---------------------------------------------
insipid Session 1 (2:00:00)
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    Room Name: Charlottenburg 1
    Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
    Number of Attendees: 40
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Note that this is still subject to change, as swaps are going on to =
resolve conflicts. RAI area tends to be fairly stable, but changes can =
always occur.

Additionally, while I think the chairs have a reasonably good idea of =
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Gonzalo & Keith=

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Folks,

 

I did not hear back on the -07 draft.  How does this document look?

 

Paul

 

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Folks,

 

Taking input from various folks, I posted a revision to the requirements
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