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From: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" <gsalguei@cisco.com>
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INSIPID WG -=20

There will be no formal INSIPID WG meeting in Toronto.  Chairs and authors =
agreed there weren't any blocking issues requiring a face-to-face meeting a=
nd progress could be made on the mailing-list.

Chairs and authors will meet informally for planning and action item follow=
-up. We are currently getting people to review the Session-ID solution draf=
t. If there are any out there willing to volunteer to review, please let us=
 know.  In particular, this review needs assist in identifying if there is =
any material missing from the document.  Once we have a few reviews complet=
ed we plan to begin WGLC.

Cheers,

Gonzalo & Keith=


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Peter,

Thanks for the feedback.  I'll try to go through these by the end of the=
=20
day tomorrow; I'm completely consumed with meetings today.

Paul

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From: "Dawes, Peter, Vodafone Group" <Peter.Dawes@vodafone.com>
To: "Paul E. Jones" <paulej@packetizer.com>; "insipid@ietf.org"=20
<insipid@ietf.org>
Sent: 6/19/2014 5:05:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Insipid] Posted draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06

>Hi Paul,
>
>I have read through the latest session-id solutions draft=20
>http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06.txt and I have=20
>the comments below, organized by the line number in the draft. I=20
>haven=E2=80=99t yet checked the details of all of the signalling scenarios=
 in=20
>clause 9 so I might have some more comments later.
>
>
>
>Rgds,
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>Line
>
>Draft Text
>
>Comment or Question
>
>95
>
>9.5. Single Focus Conferencing using WebEx ....................16
>
>Is an internet draft allowed to refer to a commercial product, i.e.=20
>WebEx?
>
>149 - 152
>
>This draft presents a new identifier , referred to as the Session =20
>Identifier, or "Session ID", and associated syntax intended to =20
>overcome the issues that exist with the currently defined call =20
>identifiers.
>
>It would help to describe the scope of this new identifier, e.g. SIP=20
>only, SIP and H.323, or something else.
>
>169 - 171
>
>The terms "Session Identifier" and "Session ID" refer to the value of =20
>the identifier, whereas "Session-ID" refers to the header  used to =20
>convey the identifier.
>
>It would be clearer to refer to the value using only "Session=20
>Identifier" throughout.
>
>170
>
>"Session-ID" refers to the header
>
>Change to "Session-ID" refers to the SIP header field
>
>187
>
>[I-D.ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts] .
>
>Now RFC7206
>
>196 - 197
>
>The version number  in the UUID indicates the manner in which the UUID=20
>is generated,
>
>I did not see version number defined in the draft
>
>202 - 211
>
>When generating a version 5 UUID, endpoints or intermediaries MUST
>    utilize the following "name space ID" (see Section 4.3 of=20
>[RFC4122]):
>
>        uuid_t NameSpace_SessionID =3D {
>            /* a58587da-c93d-11e2-ae90-f4ea67801e29 */
>            0xa58587da,
>            0xc93d,
>            0x11e2,
>            0xae, 0x90, 0xf4, 0xea, 0x67, 0x80, 0x1e, 0x29
>        }
>
>The procedure and syntax being described by the draft are not clear to=20
>me.
>
>225 - 228
>
>Note that if an intermediary is stateless and the endpoint on one end
>    of the call is replaced with another endpoint due to some service
>    interaction, the values used to create the UUID might change  and,=20
>if
>    so, the intermediary will compute a different UUID.
>
>a) If an endpoint is replaced then I would expect the UUID to always=20
>change but the text says "might"
>b) text says "the values used to create the UUID" but the draft does=20
>not describe a UUID creation algorithm
>c) text says that intermediary is stateless but also says that the=20
>intermediary will compute  a different UUID. Surely a stateless=20
>intermediary does not compute a UUID
>
>327
>
>null          =3D 32("0")
>
>since 32 zeros is a valid UUID, it might be better to use the string=20
>"null" for the NULL value.
>
>451 - 454
>
>If an intermediary receives a SIP message without a Session-ID header
>    value , the intermediary MAY assign a "local-uuid" value to=20
>represent
>    the sending endpoint and insert that value into all signaling
>    messages on behalf of the sending endpoint.
>
>a) Does the intermediary receive an empty Session-ID header field, or a=
=20
>message with no Session-ID header field?
>b) messages can be originated in both directions, so is it always=20
>local-uuid that is assigned or is it sometimes remote-uuid?
>c) the text "all signalling messages" does not seem specific enough=20
>e.g. the sending endpoint might initiate a completely new dialog
>
>471 - 473
>
>, the intermediary MUST
>    place the one known UUID in the "remote-uuid" field  and set the
>    "local-uuid" field to the null UUID value.
>
>Might be clearer to say "use the one known UUID as the "remote-uuid"=20
>since "remote-uuid" is not a header field or a header field parameter.=20
>Likewise for "local-uuid"
>
>493
>
>MUST construct a Session-ID header value
>
>MUST use a Session-ID header value
>
>511
>
>MCUs, including cascaded MCUs ,
>
>Is "cascaded MCU" a well understood term?
>
>543 - 546
>
>Intermediary devices, such as proxies  or session border controllers,
>    or network diagnostics equipment might assume that when they see two
>    or more sessions with different Session Identifiers, but with one
>    UUID in common, that the sessions are part of the same conference.
>
>Maybe proxies should be left off the list of devices that will examine=20
>the session identifier
>
>566
>
>"N" represents a null UUID
>
>
>
>585 - 586
>
>UA-Alice populates the "local-uuid" portion of the Session-ID
>         header-value.
>
>This bullet seems to be redundant and could be deleted
>
>554
>
>9. Various Call Flow Operations Utilizing the Session ID
>
>I think it would help if at least one of the signalling examples shows=20
>SIP (and maybe SDP). For a while, I was confused about whether=20
>"local-uuid" and "remote-uuid" were header field parameters and then=20
>wondered why the only IANA registration was for a "remote" parameter.
>
>1423
>
>11. Security Considerations
>
>At the London meeting, security was identified as an open issue that=20
>needs to be fully analysed. Does this analysis still need to be done?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: insipid [mailto:insipid-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul E.=20
>Jones
>Sent: 10 April 2014 04:53
>To:insipid@ietf.org
>Subject: [Insipid] Posted draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06
>
>
>
>Folks,
>
>
>
>I just uploaded a revised version of the Session ID solution draft.  In=
=20
>this draft, we did the following:
>
>Added text to Section 7 (intermediaries) to describe handling of=20
>provisional responsesWIth one typo "intermediaries transmits" (will fix=
=20
>that in the next version)Changed the UUID values used for OOD REFER=20
>(Section 9.9) per list discussionAdded one new paragraph on security=20
>considerations
>Please have a look at the draft and suggest other things we need to=20
>address, including any issues you believe we need to raise in the=20
>security considerations.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>
>
>
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<DIV>Peter,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for the feedback.&nbsp; I'll try to go through these by the =
end of the day tomorrow;&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;completely consumed with meetings=
 today.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Paul</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>------ Original Message ------</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Dawes, Peter, Vodafone Group" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:Peter.Dawes=
@vodafone.com">Peter.Dawes@vodafone.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>To: "Paul E. Jones" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paule=
j@packetizer.com</A>&gt;; "insipid@ietf.org" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:insipid@=
ietf.org">insipid@ietf.org</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: 6/19/2014 5:05:23 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: RE: [Insipid] Posted draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Hi Paul, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>I have read through the latest session-id solutions draft=
 <A href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06.txt">ht=
tp://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06.txt</A> and I have=
 the comments below, organized by the line number in the draft. I haven=E2=
=80=99t yet checked the details of all of the signalling scenarios in claus=
e 9 so I might have some more comments later. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Rgds,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Peter</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
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ri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Line<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calib=
ri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Draft Text<o:p></o:p></SPAN>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calib=
ri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Comment or Question<o:p></o:=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>95<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>9.5. Single Focus Conferencing=
 using WebEx ....................16<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Is an internet draft allowed=
 to refer to a commercial product, i.e. WebEx?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>149 - 152<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>This draft presents a new ident=
ifier , referred to as the Session&nbsp; Identifier, or "Session ID", and=
 associated syntax intended to&nbsp; overcome the issues that exist with=
 the currently defined call&nbsp; identifiers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>It would help to describe the=
 scope of this new identifier, e.g. SIP only, SIP and H.323, or something=
 else. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>169 - 171<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>The terms "Session Identifier"=
 and "Session ID" refer to the value of&nbsp; the identifier, whereas "Sess=
ion-ID" refers to the header&nbsp; used to&nbsp; convey the identifier.<o:p=
></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>It would be clearer to refer=
 to the value using only "Session Identifier" throughout. <o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>170<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>"Session-ID" refers to the head=
er <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Change to "Session-ID" refers=
 to the SIP header field<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>187<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>[I-D.ietf-insipid-session-id-re=
qts] .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Now RFC7206<o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>196 - 197<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>The version number&nbsp; in =
the UUID indicates the manner in which the UUID is generated, <o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>I did not see version number=
 defined in the draft<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>202 - 211<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>When generating a version 5 =
UUID, endpoints or intermediaries MUST<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; utilize the followin=
g "name space ID" (see Section 4.3 of [RFC4122]):<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uuid_t NameSpace_SessionID =3D {<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /* a58587da-c93d-11e2-ae90-f4ea678=
01e29 */<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0xa58587da,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; 0xc93d,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0x11e2,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0xae, 0x90, 0xf4, 0xea, 0x67, 0x80, 0x1e, 0x29<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; } <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>The procedure and syntax being=
 described by the draft are not clear to me. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></T=
R>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>225 - 228<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Note that if an intermediary=
 is stateless and the endpoint on one end<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; of the call is=
 replaced with another endpoint due to some service<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; interac=
tion, the values used to create the UUID might change&nbsp; and, if<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp; so, the intermediary will compute a different UUID.<o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>a) If an endpoint is replaced=
 then I would expect the UUID to always change but the text says "might"<BR=
>b) text says "the values used to create the UUID" but the draft does not=
 describe a UUID creation algorithm<BR>c) text says that intermediary is=
 stateless but also says that the intermediary will compute&nbsp; a differe=
nt UUID. Surely a stateless intermediary does not compute a UUID<o:p></o:p>=
</SPAN></P></TD></TR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>327<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>null&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D 32("0") <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>since 32 zeros is a valid UUID,=
 it might be better to use the string "null" for the NULL value. <o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
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<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 90pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>451 - 454<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
</TD>
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t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>If an intermediary receives =
a SIP message without a Session-ID header<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; value , the inter=
mediary MAY assign a "local-uuid" value to represent<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; the=
 sending endpoint and insert that value into all signaling<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 messages on behalf of the sending endpoint.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 90pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>a) Does the intermediary receiv=
e an empty Session-ID header field, or a message with no Session-ID header=
 field?<BR>b) messages can be originated in both directions, so is it alway=
s local-uuid that is assigned or is it sometimes remote-uuid?<BR>c) the =
text "all signalling messages" does not seem specific enough e.g. the sendi=
ng endpoint might initiate a completely new dialog<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></T=
D></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 45pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>471 - 473<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
</TD>
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t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>, the intermediary MUST<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp; place the one known UUID in the "remote-uuid" field&nbsp; and set=
 the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; "local-uuid" field to the null UUID value.<o:p></o:p><=
/SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Might be clearer to say "use=
 the one known UUID as the "remote-uuid" since "remote-uuid" is not a heade=
r field or a header field parameter. Likewise for "local-uuid"<o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 15pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>493<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>MUST construct a Session-ID =
header value<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>MUST use a Session-ID header=
 value<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 15pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>511<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>MCUs, including cascaded MCUs=
 , <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Is "cascaded MCU" a well unders=
tood term?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 60pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 60pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>543 - 546<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
</TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 60pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Intermediary devices, such as=
 proxies&nbsp; or session border controllers,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; or network=
 diagnostics equipment might assume that when they see two<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 or more sessions with different Session Identifiers, but with one<BR>&nbsp=
;&nbsp; UUID in common, that the sessions are part of the same conference.<=
o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 60pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>Maybe proxies should be left=
 off the list of devices that will examine the session identifier<o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 15pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>566<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>"N" represents a null UUID <o:p=
></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></T=
D></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 30pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>585 - 586<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=
</TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>UA-Alice populates the "local-u=
uid" portion of the Session-ID<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; header-value. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>This bullet seems to be redunda=
nt and could be deleted<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 45pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>554<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>9. Various Call Flow Operations=
 Utilizing the Session ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>I think it would help if at =
least one of the signalling examples shows SIP (and maybe SDP). For a while=
, I was confused about whether "local-uuid" and "remote-uuid" were header=
 field parameters and then wondered why the only IANA registration was for=
 a "remote" parameter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 30pt">
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>1423<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>11. Security Considerations<o:p=
></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtex=
t 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADD=
ING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT:=
 5.4pt" vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US'>At the London meeting, security=
 was identified as an open issue that needs to be fully analysed. Does this=
 analysis still need to be done? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR></TBODY></=
TABLE>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-=
LEFT: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D=
'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> insipid [mailto:<A=
 href=3D"mailto:insipid-bounces@ietf.org">insipid-bounces@ietf.org</A>] =
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul E. Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> 10 April 2014 04:53<BR><B=
>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:insipid@ietf.org">insipid@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Sub=
ject:</B> [Insipid] Posted draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06<o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Folks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>I just uploaded a revised version of the Session ID solution=
 draft.&nbsp; In this draft, we did the following:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></D=
IV>
<UL type=3Ddisc>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-=
alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Added text to Section 7 (intermediaries)&nbs=
p;to describe handling of provisional responses<o:p></o:p></SPAN>=20
<UL type=3Dcircle>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-=
alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>WIth one typo "intermediaries transmits" =
(will fix that in the next version)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL></LI>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-=
alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Changed the UUID values used for OOD REFER=
 (Section 9.9) per list discussion<o:p></o:p></SPAN> </LI>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-=
alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Added one new paragraph on security consider=
ations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Please have a look at the draft and suggest other things =
we need to address, including any issues you believe we need to raise in=
 the security considerations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>Paul<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><=
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At 04:05 AM 6/19/2014, Dawes, Peter, Vodafone Group wrote:
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>Hi Paul,
>I have read through the latest session-id=20
>solutions draft=20
><http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06.txt>http://www.iet=
f.org/id/draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06.txt=20
>and I have the comments below, organized by the=20
>line number in the draft. I haven=E2=80=99t yet=20
>checked the details of all of the signalling=20
>scenarios in clause 9 so I might have some more comments later.

Peter

Thanks for doing this review.

Comments are in-line with the questions/comments you have...

>
>Rgds,
>Peter
>
>
>Line
>Draft Text
>Comment or Question
>line 95
>9.5. Single Focus Conferencing using WebEx ....................16
>Is an internet draft allowed to refer to a commercial product, i.e. WebEx?

This is only in the examples section of the=20
document. Because it is used so pervasively=20
throughout the industry, and has a substantially=20
different model to other conferencing systems (it=20
uses another protocol - the secure form of HTTP),=20
we thought it wise to have in the doc (but only in the example text).

>lines 149 - 152
>This draft presents a new identifier, referred=20
>to as the Session Identifier, or "Session ID",=20
>and associated syntax intended to overcome the=20
>issues that exist with the currently defined call identifiers.
>It would help to describe the scope of this new=20
>identifier, e.g. SIP only, SIP and H.323, or something else.

reading the opening paragraphs of the Intro=20
section should answer this for anyone

>lines 169 - 171
>The terms "Session Identifier" and "Session ID"=20
>refer to the value of the identifier, whereas=20
>"Session-ID" refers to the header used to convey the identifier.
>It would be clearer to refer to the value using=20
>only "Session Identifier" throughout.

Sometimes we need to talk about the value "of"=20
the header, and others we need to talk about the header itself.

>line 170
>"Session-ID" refers to the header
>Change to "Session-ID" refers to the SIP header field

I'm not sure what you are getting at, this is a=20
SIP doc (ITU's SG16 just introduced its own=20
version of the Session-ID header (under H.460) this week).

>line 187
>[I-D.ietf-insipid-session-id-reqts] .
>Now RFC7206

indeed

>196 - 197
>The version number in the UUID indicates the=20
>manner in which the UUID is generated,
>I did not see version number defined in the draft

it's one number always, version 5 -- and the present doc does say that.

>lines 202 - 211
>When generating a version 5 UUID, endpoints or intermediaries MUST
>    utilize the following "name space ID" (see Section 4.3 of [RFC4122]):
>
>        uuid_t NameSpace_SessionID =3D {
>            /* a58587da-c93d-11e2-ae90-f4ea67801e29 */
>            0xa58587da,
>            0xc93d,
>            0x11e2,
>            0xae, 0x90, 0xf4, 0xea, 0x67, 0x80, 0x1e, 0x29
>        }
>The procedure and syntax being described by the draft are not clear to me.

look to "Section 4.3 of [RFC4122]" for this

>lines 225 - 228
>Note that if an intermediary is stateless and the endpoint on one end
>    of the call is replaced with another endpoint due to some service
>    interaction, the values used to create the UUID might change  and, if
>    so, the intermediary will compute a different UUID.
>a) If an endpoint is replaced then I would=20
>expect the UUID to always change but the text says "might"
>b) text says "the values used to create the=20
>UUID" but the draft does not describe a UUID creation algorithm
>c) text says that intermediary is stateless but=20
>also says that the intermediary will compute  a=20
>different UUID. Surely a stateless intermediary does not compute a UUID

hmm, I have the only mention of the word "stateless" on line 215...

a) this is only under the condition of the intermediary being stateless.
b) ? , we state the UUID reference RFC for=20
creating it several times in this section (RFC 4122, S3)
c) not "that" but "if" an intermediate is stateless.


>line 327
>null          =3D 32("0")
>since 32 zeros is a valid UUID, it might be=20
>better to use the string "null" for the NULL value.

I'll consult with my co-editor and the WG

>lines 451 - 454
>If an intermediary receives a SIP message without a Session-ID header
>    value , the intermediary MAY assign a "local-uuid" value to represent
>    the sending endpoint and insert that value into all signaling
>    messages on behalf of the sending endpoint.
>a) Does the intermediary receive an empty=20
>Session-ID header field, or a message with no Session-ID header field?
>b) messages can be originated in both=20
>directions, so is it always local-uuid that is=20
>assigned or is it sometimes remote-uuid?
>c) the text "all signalling messages" does not=20
>seem specific enough e.g. the sending endpoint=20
>might initiate a completely new dialog

a) not empty, "non-existent"
b) always local, except under the conditions of section 10
c) new dialog means new UUIDs in both directions

>lines 471 - 473
>, the intermediary MUST
>    place the one known UUID in the "remote-uuid" field  and set the
>    "local-uuid" field to the null UUID value.
>Might be clearer to say "use the one known UUID=20
>as the "remote-uuid" since "remote-uuid" is not=20
>a header field or a header field parameter. Likewise for "local-uuid"

"since "remote-uuid" is not a header field or a=20
header field parameter". The local-uuid is a=20
header-value and the remote-uuid is a header-parameter, always.

>line 493
>MUST construct a Session-ID header value
>MUST use a Session-ID header value

what if there isn't a Session-ID: there in the=20
first place? Then "use" (something that's non-existent) isn't right.

>line 511
>MCUs, including cascaded MCUs ,
>Is "cascaded MCU" a well understood term?

I guess the real question is if the implementor=20
understands what the word cascade is. S9.6 gives=20
good diagrams of the most common use-cases.

>lines 543 - 546
>Intermediary devices, such as proxies  or session border controllers,
>    or network diagnostics equipment might assume that when they see two
>    or more sessions with different Session Identifiers, but with one
>    UUID in common, that the sessions are part of the same conference.
>Maybe proxies should be left off the list of=20
>devices that will examine the session identifier

folks look for proxy when talking about SIP, and=20
it it's left off some list involving servers, it'll be a distract (best=
 case)

>line 566
>"N" represents a null UUID
>

I'll talk to my co-editor about this

>lines 585 - 586
>UA-Alice populates the "local-uuid" portion of the Session-ID
>         header-value.
>This bullet seems to be redundant and could be deleted

I'm lost here. There are three instances of the=20
word "populates", and UA-Alice isn't on page 11=20
(line 585-86). There is a "Bob's UUID populates=20
the "remote-uuid"... ", which I'd like to keep

>line 554
>9. Various Call Flow Operations Utilizing the Session ID
>I think it would help if at least one of the=20
>signalling examples shows SIP (and maybe SDP).=20
>For a while, I was confused about whether=20
>"local-uuid" and "remote-uuid" were header field=20
>parameters and then wondered why the only IANA=20
>registration was for a "remote" parameter.

Instead of this, look at the top of page 7 for the Session-ID: example.

>line 1423
>11. Security Considerations
>At the London meeting, security was identified=20
>as an open issue that needs to be fully=20
>analysed. Does this analysis still need to be done?

We're always open to more comments. The SecAD=20
(Sean Turner ?) has been contacted, but hasn't=20
gotten back to us or the chairs...

Again, thanks for the thorough review

James

>
>
>
>From: insipid [mailto:insipid-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul E. Jones
>Sent: 10 April 2014 04:53
>To: insipid@ietf.org
>Subject: [Insipid] Posted draft-ietf-insipid-session-id-06
>
>Folks,
>
>I just uploaded a revised version of the Session=20
>ID solution draft.  In this draft, we did the following:
>    * Added text to Section 7 (intermediaries)=20
> to describe handling of provisional responses
>        * WIth one typo "intermediaries=20
> transmits" (will fix that in the next version)
>    * Changed the UUID values used for OOD REFER=20
> (Section 9.9) per list discussion
>    * Added one new paragraph on security considerations
>Please have a look at the draft and suggest=20
>other things we need to address, including any=20
>issues you believe we need to raise in the security considerations.
>
>Thanks,
>Paul
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FYI on progress of the Kaplan draft.

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