From nobody Sun Oct 1 04:28:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C91348A6 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:28:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8I6HT_jT_LS for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob12.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob12.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12BFF1348A4 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.209]) by atl4mhob12.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v91BSTr5028367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:28:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 10119 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2017 11:28:29 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 104.129.194.123 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.26.15.147?) (lee@asgard.org@104.129.194.123) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Oct 2017 11:28:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.2.170228 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:28:30 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: Alexandre Petrescu , Khaled Omar CC: int-area Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <6a5aaf1b-544c-4275-8c79-5bedafcaa841@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6a5aaf1b-544c-4275-8c79-5bedafcaa841@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:28:34 -0000 On 9/30/17, 2:46 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu" wrote: >Le 30/09/2017 =C3=A0 13:39, Khaled Omar a =C3=A9crit : >>> and I'm not a software developer to test it by myself. >>>> You are not. But can you make their job easy? >>=20 >> I cannot do everything by myself, that=E2=80=99s why I'm discussing with the >> IETF to make a group of participants working together to achieve the >> same purpose which is IPmix. > >But before one can dream of getting a group, one must meet people at >IETF face-to-face meetings. Is that true? I had been led to believe that the IETF=E2=80=99s primary means of getting work done was email, and that physical attendance was not necessary for participation. Lee From nobody Sun Oct 1 04:29:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC91348A3 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFEmdgOU60aY for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6B0A132143 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.211]) by atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v91BTYgL025868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:29:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 12984 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2017 11:29:34 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 104.129.194.123 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.26.15.147?) (lee@asgard.org@104.129.194.123) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Oct 2017 11:29:33 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.2.170228 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:29:34 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: Andrew Sullivan , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:29:38 -0000 On 9/30/17, 12:59 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Andrew Sullivan" wrote: >Hi, > >The fact that this topic won't go away from this list in which I am >otherwise interested gives us a pragmatic reason to give it its own >list. Can we please do that so that I can stop hearing about this >visit from either the Bad Idea Fairy or the Late Idea Fairy? I=E2=80=99m sorry to disagree with you. A bad idea should not be allocated resources; it should be quashed. Lee > >Best regards, > >A >--=20 >Andrew Sullivan >ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > >_______________________________________________ >Int-area mailing list >Int-area@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Sun Oct 1 04:37:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B071348B8 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ynchKH52lcIF for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob11.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob11.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC8871321BB for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 04:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.209]) by atl4mhob11.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v91BbQ6j010328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:37:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 5783 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2017 11:37:26 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 104.129.194.123 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.26.15.147?) (lee@asgard.org@104.129.194.123) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Oct 2017 11:37:26 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.2.170228 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:37:25 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: Khaled Omar , Tom Herbert CC: int-area Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:37:32 -0000 On 9/30/17, 12:54 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Khaled Omar" wrote: >Hi Tom, > >I agree with most of what you have said, but changing the way of >encapsulation is not a hard work for running a code for all network >devices and hosts to be able to understand the new packet. That statement is insane. You=E2=80=99re talking about updates to Microsoft Windows 10, 8, 7, and their sub versions, Apple iOS (multiple versions), MacOS (multiple versions), Android, ChromeOS, dozens of varieties of Unix (and *nix), plus all of the separate lines of business supported by Cisco, Juniper, Alcatel-Lucent, Huawei, Nortel. . . every network device manufacturer. It would take thousands of work hours for each of those to get developed, documented, and tested. And they=E2=80=99ll be buggy. So network operators will carefully test before the= y roll it out. If even one of those vendors is unconvinced about your protocol, it will fail, because your protocol requires every device on the Internet to support it. > >There is difference between deploying IPv6 and implementing IPv6, IPv6 >was deployed in almost all OSs and network devices in a short time, but >implementing IPv6 by enterprises' users is the problem because there is a >dependence on them, they have to do it by themselves. How do you define =E2=80=9Ca short time=E2=80=9D? Because I still encounter routers (ho= me gateways) without IPv6 support. > >For IPmix, there is only deployment process that will be done by >technology companies, and enterprises' users will do nothing, they will >keep using their version of IP and regardless of the version they are >using, they will be able to access 100% of the Internet. How will enterprise users=E2=80=99 enterprise networks get upgraded if the enterprise operator doesn=E2=80=99t do it? > >Regarding running a code, there is no problem in that, a wg of people >will make things easier than letting only one do it by himself, >collaboration is requested. We=E2=80=99re both still looking for someone who wants to collaborate with you. Lee > >Khaled > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert >Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:43 PM >To: Alexandre Petrescu >Cc: int-area@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. > >> That said, I agree with you that that the technical basis is to allow >> encapsulate versions of IP in a same packet header. >> >This does not justify the statements that this protocol can be developed >and deployed in a short time by technology companies. >Deploying anything at Internet scale is hard, developing and deploying a >new IP version is at least an order of magnitude harder. Even if you were >to just change the version number of IPv4 and make no other changes to >the protocol, it still would be a stunning amount of work that touches a >myriad of devices and systems. End hosts need to change several ways, NIC >HW needs to change to support protocol specific features, routers and >switches need to be able to deal with new version which most likely will >require hardware changes, middleboxes and firewalls need to deal with >this, security needs to be fully considered. Monitoring and diagnostic >tools need to change, management and administration need changes. But, on >top of all that, there's no magic switch that can turn up this new IP >version on all hosts and routers on the Internet instantaneously so we >need to implement more backoffs like happy eyeballs. Sorry, there is just >no easy path here; if there were it would have been applied > to IPv6 long ago... > >> I would also rather say: the technical issue is how to use different >> versions of IP in a same IP packet. >> >>>> Since the initial posting of the IPv10, I and and others have asked >>>> several times for an implementation. >>> >>> >>> Yes, this have to be tested because theoretically it works fine >> >> >> I agree with you. Many concepts are first imagined in someone's >> mind, then sketched with a pencil on a paper, and discussed. These >> concepts work fine theoretically. >> >>> and I'm not a software developer to test it by myself. >> >> >> You are not. But can you make their job easy? >> >> Me too I can sketch a concept car on paper, but I doubt any >> manufacturer will ever make one :-) Because I dont know how to make >>cars. >> >IETF is "rough consensus and running code". It's incumbent on the >advocates of a proposed protocol to push for both of these. There's no >concept that protocol experts bring their protocols to IETF and then >throw over the wall to the protocol developers who happily go off and >implement the spec. If you don't have the skills for implementation, then >please find someone else to work with who can do it for you. > >Tom > >> Alex >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Int-area mailing list >> Int-area@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > >_______________________________________________ >Int-area mailing list >Int-area@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > >_______________________________________________ >Int-area mailing list >Int-area@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Sun Oct 1 07:50:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4400E1344CE for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0fMnEOFbsen7 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34E5313292F for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id q132so6341683wmd.2 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vYrY0kgOXasuStNtQFgMUGEBzxG6HRrHyBFBWof2/Gk=; b=aVe60eZ6kov0/rBqOPst9VPpcVZTiLteSgkm5aQUQbbbpTPj+zPDIboeHrdRA6GVBh fXKah4hBQ8aSa0c4LMqum6mNX3UgmyioKZYn9dcDyctdq0RNa2LMvfVzi31SGnlC41lR bQDlpk5R8YvBOdg8zV32MYNXL8gD7YHGIheIW8zlJiBKHqnEVHF9JmrgowpxCuEl5xd4 TPXV6Gtm/P37+guSfQaHkOYppCQ4LeOfwrB63+AO7I0EsLR//19K7FfSiCJIqyVht34j N4C4WKI4zhWJZSjuvcv6221nGv4Qe9YjNWL4Um6sjIK3qtRL4qOimZEQnvNwyDZnaDMe Y7Ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vYrY0kgOXasuStNtQFgMUGEBzxG6HRrHyBFBWof2/Gk=; b=phnY3MN1r6Hla6917pYwB4hEXnVGC0YdmLG7PN1B2rlw9FHUDs33QF5LpfT0cTN+Ha h+YRrNmY/fZg9Q3t+u8ZujcuVT34RzV5s00crLTRLCZpeCIAwJFsMXpI7zNeiL0GKI53 HNlULY7J+TWUJ+UMFfOU3pYCH7Mk9zqY+I0grGDQcf96jAmoGCi0y/xsYUqupgOMSoAv /dwPDw7vqL7Vh+jQPuPhhcFskR2l90/SRNif2+zRsZZvc0BQxqfrOUyC26QbSNbNd2Vq QgwaPNUCoFKiHBaZGPhbS0ByqcTTluSE6R2hdlkUyC0mEWQ7SiOWx575nOLyV8I1/xVe G1Og== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUZBJhmHh0x8mCwCgbLPYZQBK1MfJcnNkb3rTGqX73RN8PEcI9Y G9U8gNLzbQGrYXczehkuzSnepbgR/GBFbBMAbLsLHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCQqJnb1Nav04/mwLq9jCaAxhiXXwlxIlV3uFbaY94+uRJ2wVWYdD6lO9hkRHiaMyaKCrlKZLDEQavYlWrTfAs= X-Received: by 10.28.130.131 with SMTP id e125mr9511535wmd.125.1506869426216; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.213.9 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Erik Kline Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 23:50:05 +0900 Message-ID: To: Khaled Omar Cc: Suresh Krishnan , int-area Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="001a11443028e7ce58055a7d603f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 14:50:30 -0000 --001a11443028e7ce58055a7d603f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30 September 2017 at 01:31, Khaled Omar wr= ote: > Hi Suresh, > > > > The problem I=E2=80=99m trying to solve is to overcome the depletion of I= Pv4 address > space and the lack of implementing IPv6 , this will cause the IPv6 only > hosts not to be able to access the whole internet as there will be IPv6 o= nly > hosts (18% of the Internet traffic) against the domination of IPv4 only > hosts (82% of the Internet traffic), (dare I ask) Where does this 18% number come from? --001a11443028e7ce58055a7d603f Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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int-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:08:26 -0000 On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 07:29:34AM -0400, Lee Howard wrote: > I’m sorry to disagree with you. A bad idea should not be allocated > resources; it should be quashed. My proposal is to quash it by giving it its own rock under which it can be hidden. Right now, it is being allocated resources anyway: the time and attention of everyone on this list who would like to pay attention to less-absurd proposals than "reformat and reinstall the Internet". There is no evidence that that proposal, which has now been discussed for a long time and the disadvantages of which have been amply demonstrated to everyone except the proposal's proponent, is going to go away any time soon. Compared to the resources that are currently being wasted on it, a list seems a small price to pay. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Sun Oct 1 18:09:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C41B134BD5 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXZMxBxcxrFv for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 18:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailrelay32.naist.jp (mailrelay32.naist.jp [IPv6:2001:200:16a:d26::152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D52A134BD3 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 18:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpost32.naist.jp (mailscan32.naist.jp [163.221.12.157]) by mailrelay32.naist.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F43B09 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:09:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:200:16a:1010:ec23:f810:1955:42af] (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:16a:1010:ec23:f810:1955:42af]) by mailpost32.naist.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1398B08 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:09:20 +0900 (JST) To: int-area@ietf.org References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> From: Gabor LENCSE Message-ID: <821a5432-d030-71b0-1fec-562dbf742591@is.naist.jp> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:09:25 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1808-8.1.0.1062-23366.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--10.246-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--10.246-7.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: /LMjpC511dM2QKFRJSmxxAuB7zdAMUjAjWJwr3zEJ55eLeNp6hUtsCF8 JlG3Q1LVSe/pmcWQNTLOlwwVaLMIgIB8sMkNkJepnqTqO1KiJfnzWqWqi0pBAXCypo5pvJf08z7 0XDTUjsaO8jhvcP4yf46qUksujGRyuyXwa/V5eQoTRDzcDa8P64yzstdwoG+Pqr3CBdU3C2AXZV 7+Q3yNyY4O+9WTLL4IWiPkV5CcqGB+Vz1kq0ci0sOriXY+VMfQlWXxvHK+rV7PLlmgoeokAjREQ f3Nw9TDR5VEg2WHb7chIMlpP/jXw++QGIzV42JeIAW3RGezdqF9LQinZ4QefJX0uUtuCvDoeeFA QHoVNZJvFzyvAB/ijgD6RpjqQGaF+gtHj7OwNO3Ix3Icp6zuW41KAi+3hLDa2o2K6QS+idZOTgd vwf+8VBlPZwMSU6uB Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] What about an IETF independent mailing list? -- Re: FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:09:24 -0000 Hi Andrew, Whereas I agree with your arguments, I would like to point out that the creation of an IETF mailing list may be interpreted as an endorsement of the concept. (As it has already happened with the existence of an Internet Draft about IPv10. Lay people did not recognized that it was an individual draft not adopted by any IETF working groups.) Therefore, I recommend the usage of an IETF independent mailing list, which can be advertised (only once!) here, and those who are interested may subscribe and continue the discussion over there. (E.g. ipmix@googlegroups.com could do.) Best regards, Gabor On 10/2/2017 4:07 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 07:29:34AM -0400, Lee Howard wrote: >> I’m sorry to disagree with you. A bad idea should not be allocated >> resources; it should be quashed. > My proposal is to quash it by giving it its own rock under which it > can be hidden. Right now, it is being allocated resources anyway: the > time and attention of everyone on this list who would like to pay > attention to less-absurd proposals than "reformat and reinstall the > Internet". There is no evidence that that proposal, which has now > been discussed for a long time and the disadvantages of which have > been amply demonstrated to everyone except the proposal's proponent, > is going to go away any time soon. 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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:44:55 -0000 On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Sullivan w= rote: > On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 07:29:34AM -0400, Lee Howard wrote: >> I=E2=80=99m sorry to disagree with you. A bad idea should not be allocat= ed >> resources; it should be quashed. > > My proposal is to quash it by giving it its own rock under which it > can be hidden. Right now, it is being allocated resources anyway: the > time and attention of everyone on this list who would like to pay > attention to less-absurd proposals than "reformat and reinstall the > Internet". There is no evidence that that proposal, which has now > been discussed for a long time and the disadvantages of which have > been amply demonstrated to everyone except the proposal's proponent, > is going to go away any time soon. Compared to the resources that are > currently being wasted on it, a list seems a small price to pay. > Andrew, Why not follow the normal process of any other proposal brought before IETF? If you look at the beginning of this thread, most of the discussion was the result of a specific and quite relevant question to the author raised by the AD (Suresh). The author responded to the question and then several in community responded mostly questioning the validity of the assumptions in the response. I would assume the next step is for the AD to make the determination whether there is enough consensus to continue any discussion about the proposal either on this list or as a separate mailing list. Thanks, Tom From nobody Sun Oct 1 21:13:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C60134237 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 21:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=jDsmOINn; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=VBim9vI7 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGmHgil-xkbz for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 21:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.yitter.info (mx4.yitter.info [159.203.56.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF9001332D5 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 21:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A172BEDA1 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 04:13:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1506917633; bh=TDTWL+DeYGyBWG5q9O5qUzEQ/sro+O9ICFtB7wZVaqY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=jDsmOINnSJN8Nk54B7J2Lwg0Hke8O7EUShhFHlB9WsFW7ZKYm6SbeA/lrhTAvtfRW +hRll7kMYO1ct/S2ZCHe2MreDtydV2Tr0LFActhH+tKCNJQNrxWk1dubw51n6+yiTT S2jBMFSVkmbxPHKwteGUtMfc7mGwS/bMFjTfVy20= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx4.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Fh-QhF4sPWR for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 04:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 00:13:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1506917631; bh=TDTWL+DeYGyBWG5q9O5qUzEQ/sro+O9ICFtB7wZVaqY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=VBim9vI7spMud+bkupaosHw0/5N8fgyDfbMqvUhMN8vJrrIMKT6/AUyT70aYDlqCm RGW7Tl2E2e+/EnF6cauvjpdLJSM2cwQQQwTNUzQMQ8JsGF3prGGOQLddsNya/FCTlv 6gmms2I8qzlvSGpAhV8P20QfOWNudRcBW1HWboR8= From: Andrew Sullivan To: int-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 04:13:55 -0000 Hi, On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 06:44:51PM -0700, Tom Herbert wrote: > > Why not follow the normal process of any other proposal brought before > IETF? Because this draft has already been brought before the IETF, and rejected as at best too late and at worst a bad idea (actually, that's not the worst evaluation, but I don't wish to sound mean). I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, and it gets its list. If not, then it gets no list. Regardless, the topic is, after that call for interest, ruled off-topic for this list, and a PR-worthy offense if it is raised here. The IETF list sergeants-at-arms may make independent rulings about discussion there. 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[63.140.89.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o17sm5245708pfj.93.2017.10.01.21.38.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Oct 2017 21:38:48 -0700 (PDT) To: int-area@ietf.org References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 20:38:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fFWVEbOGapgIK2U7DvvQNQea9bvKItevG" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 04:38:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --fFWVEbOGapgIK2U7DvvQNQea9bvKItevG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="rQiC5s4qk4TQXv7pPI1qXlcU5Iomjhcl4"; protected-headers="v1" From: Melinda Shore To: int-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> --rQiC5s4qk4TQXv7pPI1qXlcU5Iomjhcl4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/1/17 8:13 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the > topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to > discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, > and it gets its list.=20 I'd add that there is nothing at all stopping these folks from setting up a mailing list or online group elsewhere and having at it. Indeed, I think right now the only way this could possibly progress would be if the author and other advocates went off on their own for a bit and cleaned it up (a lot) without the continuing badgeration of IETF mailing lists. Melinda --rQiC5s4qk4TQXv7pPI1qXlcU5Iomjhcl4-- --fFWVEbOGapgIK2U7DvvQNQea9bvKItevG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZ0cK6AAoJELiGRpM6HoEuU6YP/jescmbS4YUAh0w3MsNmFWpf cZ64A91LZqBiYdSN4sZqLfErGJ+0yoVl1IQkIQKm/xIKiGQJEi9fGzHjgjwXP486 EnhCbtaMEtZOESCHnWTP66uhxOK+fZdqprBJSQLpB2F80Rj0glYyka8F0Hi/nKAD clfahmPk6hmo7d8zkCETEpZJ7iqLc/S22jggAasRwS9dbubc4xnFxrAYum7ngTpA JLS+yj/r6k3VPxofyV4OUYYFSw9IY6nifWMOBY1fHJNy84TCHgxAeQ/m27jklecA GR1sK8YyydPI/8vEVtgSywXU3K3GyXJaASzMmfx3+oPmj/af4VnV/YYXVgP0/Myp zxuiyfZ9utR40F9yWjr9sriKQ7AZTZQmOuz4eQ6WoeemAJr/l4pYD2WmQpwntezg /pWCk8/RyReH4rPikIhOx/hfJpe8Bequ/NPhtdEP64f5K4CnzZGo4KobzYZ/TCFv bqr337fxBT89z2/BLa6td9RvWunLpJI8T+PSUr1Q7DNACh8U2ed8IfBPyuTteuf2 tRVE6TrlcSiELFUD3LSPOCcY9ynhWtQEXZeNLCfONf+GDUHedh6GUHi2xjbnyRzu B5M9CaldY0TyqLACAf0Yp7ciji8sBMS0H0loMBfiYQbCTH0PR6ZL1e3goJTji55H Im7sGMeIVQuuHT2Jww1g =z+kZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fFWVEbOGapgIK2U7DvvQNQea9bvKItevG-- From nobody Sun Oct 1 22:02:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B1B134323 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=Mr0p1jHt; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=W4lr1pAJ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vl4In9JZdNl1 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.yitter.info (mx4.yitter.info [159.203.56.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEE63134318 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063C6BEDA2; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 05:01:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1506920517; bh=h/1k3VZJiQnHNgPcew1efxdv6DXJWgF68ApxegtV84s=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=Mr0p1jHtVefhv4dP9NOEmGsp/K5eA3LF413LOJUFnjECtjuCyZslHoWYOuOnLsh2C T2t3A8CukM3BPdhR8LSbrdxcYZjNWR1XRoXH/iE3p6FqCVi62BSQp0fBq/1ixvJITk oKUlCaKy9yCiPd6FoW+0TakdZRXtNBEBk62Pz09s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx4.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3OrHCElVCOcd; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 05:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1506920514; bh=h/1k3VZJiQnHNgPcew1efxdv6DXJWgF68ApxegtV84s=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=W4lr1pAJtfTVpPq99dHCs+kEedNMicww6a5D0QYDWMW1O/W785qVfdAlsuVJJKaf1 PLfTCHgUPLu7sJGKsUHCoo+uQcYoCafEF+Uk62k1aRAtvKSHdHuqYJaoQ6G7bJKz0k uqfZvz8BpohOhFm4XINbyHzeHsXPcgtFCrSjnbro= Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:01:49 -0700 Cc: int-area@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> To: Melinda Shore Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 05:02:29 -0000 I could not agree more, and wish the author would do that. I will even offe= r mailing list service at no cost on my own server if the interested parties= say they will take it up. (Best efforts QoS and all that.) A --=20 Andrew Sullivan=20 Please excuse my clumbsy thums.=20 > On Oct 1, 2017, at 21:38, Melinda Shore wrote: >=20 >> On 10/1/17 8:13 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the >> topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to >> discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, >> and it gets its list.=20 >=20 > I'd add that there is nothing at all stopping these folks from > setting up a mailing list or online group elsewhere and having > at it. Indeed, I think right now the only way this could > possibly progress would be if the author and other advocates > went off on their own for a bit and cleaned it up (a lot) without > the continuing badgeration of IETF mailing lists. >=20 > Melinda >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area From nobody Sun Oct 1 22:10:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45FF134318 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n--ALuur-pPB for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22e.google.com (mail-yw0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6639D1320D8 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id r85so2979532ywg.1 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=iAknR5TRTE5Sb4hrt/7QczI0EGrnvZERFOfII8cKEaw=; b=WZ7rn7UUPbxoLFd1yyDCzbhPkLTdKaGaJg9Wk6yO2OYfWVMwLRhrnd5hFPoTLo6wvx OzIZlQARgyjNu/v1BOjJ5e3CLYlGsR6YcrCdIUWBQZKe8p7hbG6ERXY76TNoVs1oaS2R nINylTV8+HNyUAUldwsCIK/lZVQpHl7pYX4iHM/fbmndPTqiXudSV+to+hzyjKrrFv8D 9CorjI0DaKKCiuwJ5NFiiY2HH4UBW2zAolvQxkpqttKTp3ljP1YfWYp1juX4R0i/Smsc jH/e8cnIIJZACHdLqNaJiuZgeMloNi+vWUIsDSM29mlTBddHpMr7rJ4Sk8Uq4s7rwmzo BZDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=iAknR5TRTE5Sb4hrt/7QczI0EGrnvZERFOfII8cKEaw=; b=VCQxnhwwrqSgzSrhEah7Laz4Kl4VTaUPfwBUaXBGiCq/GPQM+WP8ibMnwtvaYN3kNj VEYgLT1Y0BmDT5d0LcU5AoeXnFGy3sAbWMkm4QRDaqfXGmoSs/UdGkIVFrb5ChLgMcFo zTUqkR/NE5De9NRGVijV8WhXkXDUYHy3NtjhYt8q3gAUsvMidxkUze67/xLaWIny3LzJ t2wYTeDhV/9o8SrVru4EnKu5xfVegq2kvQWOUPCRpzv73ouF8gAvvfY/0v4hhUin/YGP eTGxkPf7l4xlyIIOgoGTVaOP1elj0G9PSHLCgdekOmVZLI/w5yVK8xVMQnT/d01ZbqNx qupA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgJ8wSrEbsYofFc1NK1ciq7kHS0pdZpE+ousZ+brfo3HYo5Hg9u mCINXADWgT23UyybGufwHVE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDOngoSWHBVOn/+/jz+Xc/Yb0TM6Wim/WuQN6YHNt3rcmCtkCbWODRcOTMLk8+B+K43OPTCnA== X-Received: by 10.37.216.83 with SMTP id p80mr12302637ybg.218.1506921038743; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 22:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.12] (45-19-110-76.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. 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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 05:10:42 -0000 > On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:38 AM, Melinda Shore = wrote: >=20 > On 10/1/17 8:13 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the >> topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to >> discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, >> and it gets its list.=20 >=20 > I'd add that there is nothing at all stopping these folks from > setting up a mailing list or online group elsewhere and having > at it. Indeed, I think right now the only way this could > possibly progress would be if the author and other advocates > went off on their own for a bit and cleaned it up (a lot) without > the continuing badgeration of IETF mailing lists. +1 Andrew and Melinda. This sounds like a workable plan. I will discuss = with the chairs and get this kicked off. 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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:01:56 -0000 --001a114b427c0d8f47055a90d14a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suspected as much. I am one of the original authors of that experiment, and of the code that generates, collects, analyzes, and presents it. I can tell you, paraphrasing The Princess Bride, that that number does not mean what you think it means. Those ~20% of Google users all have *** both IPv4 and IPv6 ***. In other words, roughly 1/5th of all Google users have dualstack Internet access to Google. These data do not support any interpretation that there is an IPv6-only user problem to be solved. On 2 October 2017 at 19:03, Khaled Omar wrote= : >> (dare I ask) Where does this 18% number come from? > > From Google IPv6 Adoption > https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=3Dipv6-adoption&t= ab=3Dipv6-adoption > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Kline [mailto:ek@google.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Khaled Omar > Cc: Suresh Krishnan; int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. > > On 30 September 2017 at 01:31, Khaled Omar = wrote: >> Hi Suresh, >> >> >> >> The problem I=E2=80=99m trying to solve is to overcome the depletion of = IPv4 address >> space and the lack of implementing IPv6 , this will cause the IPv6 only >> hosts not to be able to access the whole internet as there will be IPv6 = only >> hosts (18% of the Internet traffic) against the domination of IPv4 only >> hosts (82% of the Internet traffic), > > (dare I ask) Where does this 18% number come from? --001a114b427c0d8f47055a90d14a 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(lee@asgard.org@70.213.0.21) by 0 with ESMTPA; 2 Oct 2017 15:31:19 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Lee Howard X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:31:18 -0700 Cc: int-area Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <21B7D204-4CED-429B-B0BB-F2B6CAC9C70D@asgard.org> References: <888CE74B-7945-4B4E-87CC-1A455FEC806E@gmail.com> <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> To: Khaled Omar Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:31:24 -0000 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Khaled Omar wrot= e: > =20 >=20 >> If even one of those vendors is unconvinced about your protocol, it will f= ail, because your protocol requires every device on the Internet to support i= t. >=20 > True fact. Again, the same question: why would your thing get adopted faster than IPv6?= >=20 >> How do you define =E2=80=9Ca short time=E2=80=9D? Because I still encount= er routers (home > gateways) without IPv6 support. >=20 > A short time can be a year, and regarding routers/modems at homes will req= uire firmware upgrade or replacement. This is completely out of touch with reality.=20 Routers don't get updates. There's no money in updating software once the de= vice is sold.=20 Replacing them would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.=20 >=20 >> How will enterprise users=E2=80=99 enterprise networks get upgraded if th= e enterprise operator doesn=E2=80=99t do it? >=20 > They have to accept that updates to be able to connect to the Internet whi= ch is an easy task to do. Why would they accept your proposal over IPv6? I'm getting tired of having the same conversation with you. I've tried very h= ard to be reasonable and to encourage you to participate, but you have to dr= op this. There is no support for it, and it won't work. Please work on somet= hing else.=20 >=20 > Khaled >=20 >=20 Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Howard [mailto:lee@asgard.org]=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 1:37 PM > To: Khaled Omar; Tom Herbert > Cc: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 9/30/17, 12:54 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Khaled Omar" > wrote= : >=20 >> Hi Tom, >>=20 >> I agree with most of what you have said, but changing the way of=20 >> encapsulation is not a hard work for running a code for all network=20 >> devices and hosts to be able to understand the new packet. >=20 > That statement is insane. >=20 > You=E2=80=99re talking about updates to Microsoft Windows 10, 8, 7, and th= eir sub versions, Apple iOS (multiple versions), MacOS (multiple versions), A= ndroid, ChromeOS, dozens of varieties From nobody Mon Oct 2 08:58:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7686F133072 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.145 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=0.874, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hotmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HIhl3sLLDnuf for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR03-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092072029.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.72.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 697EB132811 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=t+fWzni8pJwv7jdzETY10nXbQFy28X3EQrhj79JT8a4=; b=ovL9ROmpKljWPJFJdS1YpTNckRsR7Xh5+C9RPJ7i6F4sLiLDbwMM9/XuthLvNjADCF2JLpG4cXBv2PhYElNnZbMaqDZZz6m6KpvIao60Vgdt/HaAE8HYJuE4MLVPyrgDqN1QCKHeWLIu6CE0kjGXEtuJgZuNZnjyxYpu6brZC8pnorSXTTjb6iQxX0TAMQJLyKMhMC3ibPpR3oELA60NFX/hJWSiL+S5qklvHUnM94sKZBiLXur/EYHVlfqbnPKotBLsOA4remZaVamduMtPVZf/eQewsJYfgxdMpR7H4J29pwPamoAIrU/P6wTQQGCY33m+A5dJDNoB98yMp1DvXw== Received: from DB5EUR03FT045.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.20.57) by DB5EUR03HT120.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.21.158) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.77.10; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 15:58:35 +0000 Received: from AM4PR0401MB2241.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.152.20.59) by DB5EUR03FT045.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.21.164) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.77.10 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 15:58:35 +0000 Received: from AM4PR0401MB2241.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a057:8f46:bb80:fbc]) by AM4PR0401MB2241.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a057:8f46:bb80:fbc%17]) with mapi id 15.20.0077.018; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 15:58:35 +0000 From: Khaled Omar To: Lee Howard CC: int-area Thread-Topic: [Int-area] FW: FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. 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Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.224.219] ([209.97.127.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t19sm18154173pfa.73.2017.10.02.11.42.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DF115BB2-8373-4E7E-8219-E01C011D295E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:42:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <14F36E30-E0B0-404B-8FFA-F4E6DFE51229@gmail.com> Cc: Bob Hinden , Melinda Shore , int-area@ietf.org To: Suresh Krishnan References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> <14F36E30-E0B0-404B-8FFA-F4E6DFE51229@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:43:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DF115BB2-8373-4E7E-8219-E01C011D295E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Oct 1, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Suresh Krishnan = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:38 AM, Melinda Shore = wrote: >>=20 >> On 10/1/17 8:13 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>> I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the >>> topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to >>> discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, >>> and it gets its list. >>=20 >> I'd add that there is nothing at all stopping these folks from >> setting up a mailing list or online group elsewhere and having >> at it. Indeed, I think right now the only way this could >> possibly progress would be if the author and other advocates >> went off on their own for a bit and cleaned it up (a lot) without >> the continuing badgeration of IETF mailing lists. >=20 > +1 Andrew and Melinda. This sounds like a workable plan. I will = discuss with the chairs and get this kicked off. I agree as well. 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Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.224.219] ([209.97.127.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm18077912pgn.36.2017.10.02.13.54.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <39B39BC3-B37E-457C-AEC6-B90C4463A04A@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4BC784D5-C11F-440B-8119-E061B53F4BF1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:54:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , int-area , Basile Bruneau To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:54:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4BC784D5-C11F-440B-8119-E061B53F4BF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Eric, > On Oct 2, 2017, at 7:04 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) = wrote: >=20 > Bob, >=20 > Thanks for your support and more important for your review! Happy to help. >=20 > [Would I dare to say that it was hard to spot your email inside the = IPv10 flood? ;-) ] I didn=E2=80=99t notice yours right away for the same reason :-( >=20 > BTW, do you think that it could be useful to present this I-D in the = 6MAN area as well? (assuming it is adopted by intarea) >=20 > About your points: > - Indeed standard track should be the aim, easy to change > - Relying on HTTPS to get more information is clearly optional but can = also be very beneficial, the first implementations (Linux and iOS) have = proven that it is easy and convenient Note, I don=E2=80=99t like this and think if it is going to be included, = there are a lot off issues that need to be addressed. Just because it = can be implemented doesn=E2=80=99t mean it=E2=80=99s a good idea. > - Including IPv4 'stuff' into an ICMPv6 may be perceived as unusual = but the authors did not want to work on legacy IPv4 but were also = leaning to be fair with outdated networks I think it would be better without it, or at least a lot of discussion. > - The text has been written by three French speaking people (Basile, = Pierre and myself), so, the parsing will be improved. Also, while = developing the Linux open-source implementation we discovered a couple = of ambiguities that will have to be resolved in the next rev Good to hear. Your English is better than my French :-) > - 16 bits for sequence number should be more than enough, it is just a = hint that the HTTP information should be refreshed (in addition to the = Expire header in the HTTP request which is optional) OK > - FQDN syntax... one previous version was requiring the DNS format but = it was longer than the current ASCII format and more complex to parse by = implementers. Anyway, I think we agree that this is a detail You might look at the text in RFC 6106. Having different formats to = carry FQDN in different RA options doesn=E2=80=99t seem like a good = idea. > - Security section: good point, we will describe issues and not = descriptions > - All other 'lack of clarity' points are also welcome and will be = address: nothing beat a non-author to spot them Good. You may have missed my comment regarding the billing stuff in Appendix = B. See: >> Appendix B. Connection monetary cost >>=20 > I suggest removing this Appendix. It=E2=80=99s not mentioned in the = rest of the document. The Area Directors should decide if it=E2=80=99s = even within scope of this working group. >>=20 >>=20 >> NOTE: This section is included as a request for comment on the >> potential use and syntax. 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I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. 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It looks quite relevant to 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU-T contact person provided in the liaison note. Will discuss with you on a separate email regarding the steps to connect. -Samita On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their > Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item > titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is 2018/01/28. = The > statement can be found at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ > > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced > documents. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. > > Thanks > Suresh > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo > --f403045f8a4c46c781055aa0780a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Suresh, for sharing the information. It looks quite= relevant to 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU= -T contact person provided in the liaison note.=C2=A0
Will discuss with= you on a separate email regarding the steps to connect.

-Samita

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = <suresh.k= rishnan@gmail.com> wrote:
H= i all,
=C2=A0 The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item tit= led "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is 2018/01/28. Th= e statement can be found at

https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/

I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced docu= ments. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process.

Thanks
Suresh


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([2601:647:4d01:db10:513d:a67a:c717:2308]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm14990882wmm.22.2017.10.03.09.30.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <9F2E96BD-F1C5-4DF4-95DB-0AF5CBB5B6AC@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:30:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , Suresh Krishnan , int-area , its@ietf.org, int-dir@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org, iot-dir , lo <6lo@ietf.org>, lp-wan@ietf.org, IPv6 List , 6tisch <6tisch@ietf.org> To: Samita Chakrabarti References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:15:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Int-area] [6lo] Liaison statement received from ITU-T regarding a "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment" X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:30:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 6man as well, depending on what is in the actual document. Bob > On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:42 AM, Samita Chakrabarti = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Suresh, for sharing the information. It looks quite relevant to = 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU-T contact = person provided in the liaison note. > Will discuss with you on a separate email regarding the steps to = connect. >=20 > -Samita >=20 > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = wrote: > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item = titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is = 2018/01/28. The statement can be found at >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ >=20 > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced = documents. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. >=20 > Thanks > Suresh >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJZ07sTAAoJEK7rdBF357uozaQIALHzU4KrKx/zZk9jUN3v8mHm Defrw+89CJQo14SGRitVIuXO/mO6kIxdK6b+JH1FZgB79Pom5yoWdUColheWBfcr bma2/ziSa4+5D+4veFavuFJCuujxhXWZKdhXiyZvsh417z7DCPyrQYlpoEDIqMBj YsHTR05bmYx9uW3TfRkPMA9h40wHf1JqJBMm2LxEFlqyfwVA8dK2Ye5feCFic6HV Igpm/DT0gakW+tGPjh6/oZwg38CByGhSHvRYx1asj4hIs/HPIJJs3KWafNDon6qH qwtMZSLWMI45kWS8n0w0x8euYp5dYzEVSKRMCj+mT5i7dOXjEO/5+NOVcAPPhK4= =SZ3u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E-- From nobody Tue Oct 3 10:15:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3090F134F88; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQhkBIeUOPuS; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x229.google.com (mail-wr0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63628134F7A; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x229.google.com with SMTP id o44so5072924wrf.11; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=C/p1fQRRgDa7lJGOSMhqZ0h60vAMiOp1C+8cg9zGYGg=; b=ga74aNYXZ4561EfTF7AMuncOVJ4BbmNAAx10A+RdT08LmZMbOjJgpgfH0XvWIjQ7Zy Njnm8xo4KJE8TKXYUa8mjrKFdHuSCitAapyDhHQbC+fyO1c6v2dIHNhZVjef884HEmnb LCAWg+0gkAh4mCnCBHMpnSfTnkPqbyAaB6BGmTh6Pk4s/tB+nX7082/SnOXRHrUrP0Hv lYvBQQx0w/CFuoZvSLeCMLusXQSVjemAFh1fOLcYRLhJtofc2Ta2ox204IG9eUWzfX8I Wl5fTU4XB9PVXG27DDTClk0H2FUPGlFJ8ZeWPUTElRSA5cebQooI3CA7nPEIxS7P3qr7 ER2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=C/p1fQRRgDa7lJGOSMhqZ0h60vAMiOp1C+8cg9zGYGg=; b=DjhPNR/4ldruOwHVrq//bVUf9YMY2auHAGo6zQIqJKtdiXW0oS7NlOFcdvEN62+dMV 5zMHcj3bOsWiSd1np1fqPureAbzKCpZ2Gh7s7buYHSv0cKOGaoRou6ugRbGCF35tTTRJ L3aV2CvQYH0cBpR1cN3c6jUtLfUsCliktERmi8jdAqrwpZpCyXhd8q0tysV/bNjYmUc6 VoGUcEYcO38pySuzARAHKd8BnUyd/PqGVpE5XGhfOFUkhIhLZUYd2Y9LlK8RHXz7VmYH 0BFE+GIn2RJ9ULTEDE0o2210tkidx2DCM0OPOWaoW901ImLCK34lEOqtg3xe3FKZ/Lpy e7eg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUjnCKCkFyuRqnV/mPfzBp2/qRnB1C+czJUbgWT9D3dVEfXAv8G 8Ldcfqw8+JeHxnsdlwJQ89mdSIXR X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBcFOD2y8a1qmRGLDMoGwIFIxJrzWgs1Cf+jVM+pt7GZN/pIkOj1u9aeED5bjsVU3n4i3CaYw== X-Received: by 10.223.157.74 with SMTP id o10mr7060361wre.213.1507050597649; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:8802:5600:e::1ef9? ([2600:8802:5600:e::1ef9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 55sm25009972wrw.60.2017.10.03.10.09.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.2\)) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:09:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: 6lo@ietf.org, 6man WG , 6tisch@ietf.org, int-area , int-dir@ietf.org, iot-dir@ietf.org, its@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org To: Suresh Krishnan References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.2) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:15:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Int-area] Liaison statement received from ITU-T regarding a "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment" X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:10:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks. I would like to also get operational commentary from v6ops. Like = you, when I search for the document, I come up to a paywall; the = document is not openly available. Please forward either the document or = the link when ITU decides to get serious about asking for comment. A general comment: the model being followed in RFC 4861 and in the = various IOT groups is fundamentally as follows. The IPv6 address = consists of a prefix and an IID. In the general Internet, routing = operates on prefixes, and a subnet is identified by a prefix. Within a = subnet defined by WiFi, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.15.4/4g, Power Line = Communication technologies, and the like, network elements generally use = some form of host routing, whether source or distributed, on the = presumption that topologies may be continuously changing or devices may = be moving. 6LowPAN specifically has some recommendations on the = structure of the address designed to minimize the actual size of an IPv6 = header, and in many of them, that is treated as a lower layer problem. = I'd like to believe that the work party is sufficiently clued in to not = want to materially change that without discussing it with us (putting = documents behind a paywall not being a great example of open = discussion). > On Oct 2, 2017, at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item = titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is = 2018/01/28. The statement can be found at >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ >=20 > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced = documents. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. >=20 > Thanks > Suresh >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEctjlJjQmVrp9uMq7EhdRnd2GP+AFAlnTxGAACgkQEhdRnd2G P+AF5BAAj9UyZajt/xa+V+GsLX1GtdYWbxcK4uaE+IHh+uiMepuiO8GGsQDGS8gY VVaReppQX78F0Kt1n6bY1h+zBQMZUsOiU6rd0iEJROGw+/3uWFwETlk6ilGXN7z4 ym/rdDuH7H8VdzU1J2Q4DMwNNTGOigckWH25mREzckV9kKpxe7trJaovcMG1GveT x/Z3b25E9xkZ9fea5vBeEuyBYVec67WMdyE8nzcPNDf7dHxbrwFNw1Hj1e6VXoKY sGDtHar8lF9jRncygnahMsJxoOY2bff0a1h3jhP3knCtoy2ohAlfEFD0g8tVCpKH MMyJBfZb8e51NnP7ABfqb16wdoesFamLVxi9rE6Yb5/F+dhbc7UP8n/Mj5PY51mk LzjPPXRAILEf/Gs4hmay6iWhHvyB+CQfgv1AbpwH5ObzU0oXl70QD9sthnleCg6R lHla8TEKjU8iL0ah4bbEEz81/LAcsVQCHTv613YsdrYtnrOq28TNJmf5Shj4spMM AfsGNyqrilfcN0kFcLdNjWWc45EJhrc2n0rbJffu/BKYrpExuRksenE1LRBsMTCx V65kR4wpSz1c/WZeI9/YQ6p/C+f292fFIF832kt5kAIk4zhjC87GFw2xV9KMiIsp qD6kF0lKMmRNx37tlIru5O/uNlK9AhH5ad89/4IisjEztMPK6RQ= =85O7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D-- From nobody Tue Oct 3 10:37:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661B0134FA5; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54GW0rhxqpGf; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7068134F9C; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f51209c000004f0a-fe-59d3e36a21e8 Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E1.46.20234.A63E3D95; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 21:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [155.53.28.62] (147.117.188.8) by smtp-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.188.86) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.352.0; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 13:36:49 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Wassim Haddad In-Reply-To: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:37:12 -0700 CC: Wassim Haddad , "intarea-chairs@ietf.org" , Suresh Krishnan Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3F5C8D61-35EE-4031-8DF7-C1CF56D01747@ericsson.com> References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> To: "int-area@ietf.org" , X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiG7W48uRBievy1mcW7mMzeLGrJss FrMfeFkc2XCW1YHFY+esu+weS5b8ZApgiuKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKmPJhMXvBVPaK3S8KGhjv sHYxcnBICJhILJ9t3cXIxSEkcJRR4u3HwywQzhpGiTWHZjCBFDELaEqs36XfxcjJwSugL/Fq 9092EFtYwE/iy7G1LCA2m4CBxNflZ8Fmcgo4SBxZpQMSZhFQkVgyYS4TyEhmgUmMEkvu3mMC STALaEssW/iaGWKmvcTvm/vA5ggB2d/W9rCB2CICKRJ3318E2yUhICtxa/YlZogadYkptyaw TGAUmIVw3Swk181CsmEBI/MqRo7S4oKc3HQjg02MwEA8JsGmu4Px/nTPQ4wCHIxKPLwTTl2O FGJNLCuuzD3EKMHBrCTCe+8IUIg3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjjvhPMXIoQE0hNLUrNT UwtSi2CyTBycUg2MGWxXGSod9jxonpJmu7Q3RaL+Vo3/lr6O2I5e65rnPxOmN+nt/GL/r6/W udRMK//mFP6jG5bvtN7/f6P0bfYDhrEzJezkohZGHlH3Wc9d8mHVhYfia54fz1W5dWq7pWKV vMUUmQmzXh/UU6naF9aTY3X95b5quy28b/tS7eYuWXbSlKN+bdJ7JZbijERDLeai4kQASoCg LkACAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:37:01 -0000 Dear all, Thank you for the feedback, reviews and ongoing discussion. The call for = adoption returned a number of positive feedback and the WG chairs = believe there is consensus to work on the proposal.=20 Authors, please re-submit as an Intarea WG draft. Regards, Wassim & Juan Carlos > On Sep 1, 2017, at 13:14, Wassim Haddad = wrote: >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Based on the discussion we had at the last intarea WG meeting, we = would like to start a WG adoption call for = draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains-02 on "Discovering = Provisioning Domain Names and Data=E2=80=9D: >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains-02.txt >=20 > Please indicate your preferences on the mailling list. 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The call > for adoption returned a number of positive feedback and the WG > chairs believe there is consensus to work on the proposal. I've belatedly read draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains-02. I don't have a strong opinion on the adoption, but I have a few comments that I hope are useful to improve the document: - It's not clear to me how strictly PvD ID FQDNs are supposed to be unique. As an "ID" they should be at least reasonably unique, but is the assumption that two different PvDs must use different IDs, or can it be more relaxed? If it's supposed to be strict, how should it be enforced? This might be considered out of scope of this document, but I think it's still helpful to mention any assumption on the uniqueness. - Section 3.1 PvD ID FQDN : An ASCII string representation of the FQDN used as PvD ID. The string ends at the first byte set to zero, or the end of the option, whichever comes first. Here I assume this "FQDN" is a valid domain name as defined in RFC1035 (the fact that it's used as part of URL for an HTTPS connection seems to support this interpretation). Why ASCII representation? An ascii (textual) representation of a domain name can be much more lengthy than its binary representation. While it's quite unrealistic in practice, it could be as long as 1004 octets, so with other overhead it could even make the entire RA exceed the link MTU (which can be as small as 1280 octets). Also, the ascii representation has more variants to represent the same domain name, making identification more complicated. For example, are "foo.example.com" and "foo.example.com." (with or without the trailing dot) the same PvD ID? What about "foo.example.com" and "\102oo.example.com"? And "foo.example.com" and "Foo.example.com"? In the case of binary representation, the only possible ambiguity is in the case-sensitiveness. And, related to the previous point, should the ID FQDNs be compared ignoring the case? I believe so, partly because it's supposed to be used as part of a URL, but I think it would be better to be explicit about it. - Section 4.1 If any of the prefixes included in the Prefix Information Options is not included in at least one of the listed prefixes, the PvD associated with the tested prefix MUST be considered unsafe and MUST NOT be used. This was a bit unclear to me on first read. This means, for example, if 2001:db8:1:1::/64 and 2001:db8:2:1::/64 are advertised in RA PIO, and the only prefix in the PvD Additional Information is 2001:db8:1::/48 (i.e, the first PIO prefix is covered but the second one isn't), then the PvD is considered unsafe, correct? That's probably the only interpretation of this sentence grammar-wise, but I guess this can be a bit clearer. Also, the meaning of the "included" was not very clear to me. On first read I interpreted as an exact match (e.g., if 2001:db8:1:1::/64 is in RA PIO, the PvD Additional Information must also have 2001:db8:1:1::/64, not a shorter prefix that covers it such as 2001:db8:1::/48). But after reading examples shown later, I understand this actually means "covered". It's particularly confusing as it's different from the first "included". I suggest changing the second one to "covered". -- JINMEI, Tatuya From nobody Tue Oct 3 13:07:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A3D1344BB; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 13:07:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150706124478.30641.9743907200713666810.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:07:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] The INTAREA WG has placed draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains in state "Adopted by a WG" X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:07:25 -0000 The INTAREA WG has placed draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains in state Adopted by a WG (entered by Wassim Haddad) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains/ From nobody Wed Oct 4 00:28:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7C01331B0 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.068 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.068 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id if4ktJ8Vn2Js for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5814513318B for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v947SsrV154362 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:28:54 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F21B207177 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:28:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C27F200C04 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:28:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v947SrJJ002247 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:28:54 +0200 To: int-area@ietf.org References: <42fec588-6de0-6baa-64f0-70b9cfe380b3@gmail.com> <20170930165940.2rpmulms6nkxb277@mx4.yitter.info> <20171001190747.2trkxysrdff2ug3u@mx4.yitter.info> <20171002041350.fej2ajuags7w5wvv@mx4.yitter.info> <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <5027a4d9-95ab-b69f-1ab9-fda608867e3e@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:28:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <81fe9fcc-0ffa-b887-8e4c-3f4d3cba535f@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Request for a mailing list to IPmix I-D. X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 07:28:58 -0000 Le 02/10/2017 06:38, Melinda Shore a crit: > On 10/1/17 8:13 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> I have a proposal for the chairs: solicit interest in pursuing the >> topic by asking for prospective subscribers to a mailing list to >> discuss the draft/concept. If you get (say) 20, then it's a topic, >> and it gets its list. > > I'd add that there is nothing at all stopping these folks from > setting up a mailing list or online group elsewhere and having > at it. Indeed, I think right now the only way this could > possibly progress would be if the author and other advocates > went off on their own for a bit and cleaned it up (a lot) without > the continuing badgeration of IETF mailing lists. I agree. Alex > > Melinda > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Wed Oct 4 10:02:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17FC132076 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuV3PZIUEgMC for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x243.google.com (mail-qk0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EBC3133341 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x243.google.com with SMTP id z12so5252550qkb.0 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=oMLgxDms58oWh3dgDzmVdIgqiAzFkkufnGqkyrUWD/w=; b=U0PGnO8/MufG/3uQS2NqK6sTHmjlLei3nO7Hpkv8ew8+i1sHvULFgJNuys6WYjqCqU RPZOzb4JVdpuFjFfQSTPCtwo8Bl9QgQO/060XO+OzInnOp36TUeeFnUeFbmSS5joaqbZ LEz8FOEoHx0FLCj6ipLTyaHv0jfZhmRK3FpqxorlFYRfC2k68vDT5i5+iBCEygzyEM8J 4ZHDuMMyMbIyjiMouCqKfzCoKAA4ksW0Yw5X+L/vliOVnTi6DJyEtMTdERBHqhI44XDY tGwba/rEA17tf8X/sO2kmnQA+/fFxzMhW60XmLlINogrlQZnZ1I5dyRXQo+13w7HVdg1 WbNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oMLgxDms58oWh3dgDzmVdIgqiAzFkkufnGqkyrUWD/w=; b=K3uXVn5e/p4qkvGuTq4O/gQtOmr5Uk7QSBkOYkI4KB6MxkCgFrK6Bqu/nbvcQPUqme wXtpANFU6VZvElFAcN045b8S5o8eitkpB4rUOgPylSwnHjXyEfjI0Tv/fgwYCx5EedAO x8ghWEHWHNhlSp79sTfPgEhHFsgynfHEz4Hey+dmD7zziudSJXKI6EUd2FltCFyb450M fKMQidmxxFLYW/2tFcDjCVzY5sV2FJiQ2w2WRfFALoyYZfPGdoUFrQLJhqdsC1qio0Ff 9Q4Y5o4P2Tt+SDArmsO3ZfP8jkX3UXL+cLeYNUTPWyOQcN6mOt/PC+QnkZiG/Mj1brLC MLYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWhnTaW/d5kZpS4TVljDWiHy6RQvx1Wst4fWPfPA/weI+KQYNyr A8FLqGcH4hDEe90i7KE610lH5d5n7hY7dQWgxvs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCGFrcD86X59fxawVINZGUW1v/wiQYkXR4/OAwnsvMKtw1qCiwtpGWS6P3G4GOPcLNxxWdzuBKPMoHsfQN6nQQ= X-Received: by 10.55.183.134 with SMTP id h128mr7450044qkf.258.1507136573908; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jinmei.tatuya@gmail.com Received: by 10.237.61.137 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:02:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:02:53 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -v-IeCS_Bb5IeCAqRpDvu-Zo6Rg Message-ID: To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" Cc: Bob Hinden , int-area , Basile Bruneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 17:02:58 -0000 At Mon, 2 Oct 2017 14:04:47 +0000, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" wrote: > - FQDN syntax... one previous version was requiring the DNS format but it was longer than the current ASCII format and more complex to parse by implementers. What do you mean by "it was longer than the current ASCII format"? As I pointed out in my own comment (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg06039.html) in the worst case textual representation of a domain name is way much longer than that in the binary form (1004 vs 255). I also doubt this: "more complex to parse by implementers". Textual representation of a domain name involves a lot more corner cases than the binary form, such as escaping special characters or the \DDD form. Perhaps the concern was not about parsing the binary form but about producing corresponding textual form to use it in a URL? If so, yes, that can be tricky. But since you would need to validate the complicated textual form if you received a textual domain name in RA anyway, I don't think that is a valid argument to adopt the textual form. (I'm not necessarily arguing for the binary form, but so far I simply don't see a sensible reason for the choice). -- JINMEI, Tatuya From nobody Wed Oct 4 20:08:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00E213451B; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sigfoxgroup.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ugrHrcotnCyG; 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A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: sigfox.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DB6PR08MB2679ED40D8A942AC3963E4A189700DB6PR08MB2679eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sigfox.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Oct 2017 03:08:17.6673 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: fcbc8bb1-061e-4b94-9f70-3ad917b0c8d3 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB6PR08MB2677 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:08:27 -0000 --_000_DB6PR08MB2679ED40D8A942AC3963E4A189700DB6PR08MB2679eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, The IntArea mailing list has been repeatedly used to debate draft-omar-ipv1= 0. So far, comments posted on the mailing list have consistently pointed to= wards a highly controversial topic on multiple levels. This includes the la= ck of a valid problem statement as well as a clear and persistent disconnec= t between the suggested proposal in draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market= trends, deployments and available solutions. The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with the nature and tone of = the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusiastic about its potentia= l prospect within the IntArea WG. However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to encourage pursuing the = discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is sufficient interest in the to= pic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purpose, we would like to g= auge the community interest to work on the problem statement and proposal d= escribed in draft-omar-IPv10 (possibly to be renamed IPmix). If you are interested in participating in the work mentioned above, please = respond to this mail expressing your support by October 17, 2017. Regards, Juan Carlos, Wassim and Suresh IntArea WG Chairs + AD --_000_DB6PR08MB2679ED40D8A942AC3963E4A189700DB6PR08MB2679eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

The IntArea mailing list has been repeatedly used to= debate draft-omar-ipv10. So far, comments posted on the mailing list have = consistently pointed towards a highly controversial topic on multiple level= s. This includes the lack of a valid problem statement as well as a clear and persistent disconnect between the= suggested proposal in draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market trends, depl= oyments and available solutions.

 

The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with = the nature and tone of the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusia= stic about its potential prospect within the IntArea WG.

 

However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to = encourage pursuing the discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is suffic= ient interest in the topic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purp= ose, we would like to gauge the community interest to work on the problem statement and proposal described in draft-= omar-IPv10 (possibly to be renamed IPmix).

 

If you are interested in participating in the work m= entioned above, please respond to this mail expressing your support by Octo= ber 17, 2017.

 

Regards,

 

Juan Carlos, Wassim and Suresh

IntArea WG Chairs + AD

 

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[63.140.89.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n13sm27486481pgc.70.2017.10.04.20.22.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:22:46 -0700 (PDT) To: int-area@ietf.org References: From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 19:22:49 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FBBXQemNgw0LWuFqfXsafGK1EDvSHlRRX" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:22:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --FBBXQemNgw0LWuFqfXsafGK1EDvSHlRRX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fRK5LJDTw7uMFW9C6PEertjf3uhSkdpET"; protected-headers="v1" From: Melinda Shore To: int-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) References: In-Reply-To: --fRK5LJDTw7uMFW9C6PEertjf3uhSkdpET Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm somewhat astonished to see this email - I thought the sensible thing to do would have been for them to go off and self-organize and try to see if they can figure something out in a non-IETF context, and bring the work back once (and/or if) they've got something even a little bit credible. Given everything else going on and given the extremely poor state of the work, putting any organizational resources at all into this seems like a bad idea and as if it might give false encouragement to the author(s). Melinda --fRK5LJDTw7uMFW9C6PEertjf3uhSkdpET-- --FBBXQemNgw0LWuFqfXsafGK1EDvSHlRRX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZ1aWJAAoJELiGRpM6HoEuquEQAIf7/KAKOAWWHBiide0K55Hg 2lSugqExloQqQvQGQ3Q0zx6y8c66I3HOTboqA0Tp/Kgi0O+mntjUvjmnIvobn+K1 X9M5kGtlRJ+P4oXJA7UaDK6Bckt6KantNeDif5tDFFzVK9+iQGHd+ucyLqFi9okJ MM6/GoC1BsljFljSyZICszuny6MM2Hhlhf9GYxUsBqY54Mk+CMjO11mlP1Vlpf1k q+UjnOb1iyCsyV35w2MSIhy+yPEcX+9Xnz7jidTck0afALdvuAx8eiQ1dDNB/xhW p+T+TuEc1mdKv9G5WMYTCLWON1eo1XmJ1KjzpMCVNDte7Dz6htd6EnJohsHF+Ym5 4kTw//EvO9YGaBvADUqPubBFepzAzKK9Q8U1O95TXk0XAIMRYX9fK/KbaNF/vWPP PuIpPrSvcjnkPWiGVGJDS7bcM2mKiSvT2lS3arSKzhtQ5EKxd8zChLygnaxUHSQE IhM1HazMLNCw0ohB/suLFYP3X7ueBBGuqOOkVrpo1u7HzH5yakboBtmKHA8QkLpz DDD9W3KWmHer2oPJhzKpzRoqZndEblThuwr9f4QcNmaEJu8k/Ha3ZE80hdLDC1A0 AucKXW1V+cU7rp9jyI307qUE0w8MDXpZ6Xxem4xt8D/Z9bAFdZ2JUYzwtBi9goxk 5fSaoaenkBw288XmE5bg =09AS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FBBXQemNgw0LWuFqfXsafGK1EDvSHlRRX-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 20:27:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233FF134524 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doO4zor8VIfs for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com (mail-qt0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607591331B0 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id x54so23018777qth.12 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jCEmnas0C/ZeZEUEwQco3RC4JizQsFuCFo+f2OE53ow=; b=BVng3jgo9JLF/EUpy7oRNvVKMhUEcpVewd50j37ZBPObVihqHe+QBvYX66vRsltyxs W9bd4qOjowNCaLSrZiCIgHISlsKGSrrWbwTSqkrFHIwl2TClpiKXJAlSn+lV+TbIWDrb IYXhZ7nkCV3leLGAN0spDsXGgYUEDJSAAcw1Cl7EkYHcvKWXWneIcMc5QBJDcPypYBaO CbWfzghdKhgKZGCzPIWUR6KYZCbSLs0NLFTP/3qGTqcsY4FjSj3UrwMeccDwI8nnVwFE H4YJSpZnqbSwOrvaHDveIK/s4beoqyGhV5DwoZuGdxz9B16G6o8aBRsfGSl72VLAAhnQ 6kbg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jCEmnas0C/ZeZEUEwQco3RC4JizQsFuCFo+f2OE53ow=; b=mS8cXEf+6E0Em2H0Y48Uxj1gGgRt68v170cq6Ziq1onjza0guPCs0hU661Bxeekycq yp3s94oWuT6/XsS3a/+Pf0BAWiDt3ULhiQzO19sYtXRc+85FCYqZCTxNLgMIzUUbNO6A Z7wXPStMGFkT5eQNfDFUfvmOD3gNr9IIj7VE91XVKxM2CMmdszncKH5uyl8MlyQ59a0e vjsdx4mA5Mrpji9V4QvDc7TI+IPXviq34dSByPwWbAykOFkMb78DsztqAFDM24FDCiid heWHcXGyMRuuYj2emQfG5dkLf4CC2viT0B/bAUw71rLqUR1SSiOmytCL8Bc3HCndr7eV CehA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVUAMg6f4VA6XuxjVIMw21YHl5jx1WPJVXfWmLinI7vLvHBvA0v z7pG0zgubX4wBUZ1c/9OB/lORKMVHqgjagWfcZvDSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDk9lGvimNOeSz+DYyB9oZ0zkpYMgfVT/aBnm793kweL/+yTjYI1cnDTgjbD05RtGxnu1p07pHHsYxRkJl8928= X-Received: by 10.37.217.208 with SMTP id q199mr5625374ybg.476.1507174021264; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.202.83 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:26:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> References: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> From: Erik Kline Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:26:40 +0900 Message-ID: To: Melinda Shore Cc: Internet Area Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="001a114fcda22dbe84055ac44c36" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:27:04 -0000 --001a114fcda22dbe84055ac44c36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think the subject line was a wee bit misleading, relative to the actual content of the mail, which may not help. On 5 October 2017 at 12:22, Melinda Shore wrote: > I'm somewhat astonished to see this email - I thought > the sensible thing to do would have been for them to go off > and self-organize and try to see if they can figure something > out in a non-IETF context, and bring the work back once (and/or > if) they've got something even a little bit credible. Given everything > else going on and given the extremely poor state of the work, > putting any organizational resources at all into this seems like > a bad idea and as if it might give false encouragement to the > author(s). > > Melinda > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > --001a114fcda22dbe84055ac44c36 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIS3wYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIS0DCCEswCAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADALBgkqhkiG9w0BBwGg ghBFMIIEXDCCA0SgAwIBAgIOSBtqDm4P/739RPqw/wcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwZDELMAkGA1UE BhMCQkUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEdsb2JhbFNpZ24gbnYtc2ExOjA4BgNVBAMTMUdsb2JhbFNpZ24gUGVy c29uYWxTaWduIFBhcnRuZXJzIENBIC0gU0hBMjU2IC0gRzIwHhcNMTYwNjE1MDAwMDAwWhcNMjEw 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fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [141.82.217.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A27134563 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 02:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716DE1D608D for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:41:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id HbbaLg3ZAL6X for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:41:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.27.65.12] (unknown [85.183.197.59]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6389B1D608B for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:41:53 +0200 (CEST) To: int-area@ietf.org References: From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:42:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:43:00 -0000 Hi, I am quite strongly opposed to assign any further IETF ressources to this work. This has gone on too long for my taste. In April (!!, https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg05634.html) the WG has already determined that it does not want to pursue this work any further. There has only been a single proponent, who at some point wanted to have his text removed from the IETF servers and threatened to even use legal actions, just to come back days later with another version of this idea. The whole discussion around this is unfounded claims which industry professionals have dismissed repeatedly such as the ease of software updates to deploy this. As others have said, interested people can go someplace else and further discuss and develop this, but AFAICT, the IETF community as agreed to NOT pursue this further. Please make this stop! It is one thing to be nice to newcomers, which I believe is important, but THIS is not healthy to the community and it is wasting a lot of people's time. Rewarding this behaviour with additional IETF ressources will set a bad precedence in my oppinion. Best, Rolf Am 05.10.17 um 05:08 schrieb Juan Carlos Zuniga: > Dear all, > > The IntArea mailing list has been repeatedly used to debate > draft-omar-ipv10. So far, comments posted on the mailing list have > consistently pointed towards a highly controversial topic on multiple > levels. This includes the lack of a valid problem statement as well as a > clear and persistent disconnect between the suggested proposal in > draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market trends, deployments and > available solutions. > > The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with the nature and tone > of the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusiastic about its > potential prospect within the IntArea WG. > > However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to encourage pursuing > the discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is sufficient interest in > the topic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purpose, we would > like to gauge the community interest to work on the problem statement > and proposal described in draft-omar-IPv10 (possibly to be renamed IPmix). > > If you are interested in participating in the work mentioned above, > please respond to this mail expressing your support by October 17, 2017. > > Regards, > > Juan Carlos, Wassim and Suresh > > IntArea WG Chairs + AD > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Thu Oct 5 12:15:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80024133080 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELM1ENUH9jHY for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x231.google.com (mail-qt0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D470133075 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x231.google.com with SMTP id q4so27389668qtq.8 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=gyqRGNQ/vhredJ/oFXOZUmXcqC65mDK2FE3Ioj8Sfy0=; b=W4G0MkarmWKaA+ivKzXcv3EDk+wdJjqmOa67LjKnwzfO06e8ASwpJtx23Ywm8N7IBi X4kd5aNUp5SskvE6Vud/chrNzCtHOzw48N3rRyouhyqsMBZpx46UoGT2La2Y97GfB6EH d+NXgxuGfWwtvOrIqeVhaaB+975Zy9ufVgPgdAZPan0JQEMPkymkO8/JDsxOwZpFnNpG 1YpDVBh9ZKAUtrGC1CEakmIOU0kzPpT62k534fhlQT+6/kzfhqDdAgxO2EaWhLvg+0MV a6IW1AY583TzHcPjM4ZeUmAj9gw/lGmZAWZEEGjt8Pg6Gacns5IivIQ6v14ZZWBNYW1X JNzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=gyqRGNQ/vhredJ/oFXOZUmXcqC65mDK2FE3Ioj8Sfy0=; b=JcquUw1+iqtHngu2ryqbslwpwfoBKJUZjWqagE56wv/rZGbgzo24GTNTcbH/s0HQAP gDSxbutPJGiiGjkCEtlLjHMffLyDxxD+unvkp05oZckJ65qQJLgIgC42295mEEvoDGO/ 9WjY0zHUjQNp0wOYA4KFQKYiQGxhJOgnZ0jWlcG2/ELOMy8OsOg0jtALOdPklKdfeUp7 hn8iwrBf72EjX4q1eamhQIMBnoO/vSc5KRdMzADuyq7nykL5/P78q4Pet4UTPh+lrkBQ 8fPhtqmxJkOQr403maDaBWKxfUIgZ6pJDJTZdJNSXqJyIPm+sOU1K4OXXaiXu2onNK+k DVxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWX3gUiitYLZXgCDvY8eqzpgVKlxlWhjGVcOK/qYdLnwQEmV/jG By7hvcEoIkNjMTVwDBWWqCOqSI5l X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCBolu4j7TttAZfDS1MF4MKHaiwF8/NrsmkrKPIirWbdgQU05c16yCb5GU/VO7UAieXko/9DQ== X-Received: by 10.37.123.133 with SMTP id w127mr7483114ybc.144.1507230913275; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.12] (45-19-110-76.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. [45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y186sm6774017ywc.71.2017.10.05.12.15.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 15:15:11 -0400 Cc: int-area@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2A6CED22-F154-4E62-AB36-EA0AED796B46@gmail.com> References: <38f5111b-9459-d2d6-637e-c35d3ae26e6f@gmail.com> To: Melinda Shore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] IPMix/IPv10 event timeline (was Re: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10)) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:15:17 -0000 Hi Melinda, First of all, I share your sentiments. This mail is a last ditch = effort to get this proposal away from intarea (in one of two ways). More = details below. > On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:22 PM, Melinda Shore = wrote: >=20 > I'm somewhat astonished to see this email - I thought > the sensible thing to do would have been for them to go off > and self-organize and try to see if they can figure something > out in a non-IETF context, and bring the work back once (and/or > if) they've got something even a little bit credible. Given = everything > else going on and given the extremely poor state of the work, > putting any organizational resources at all into this seems like > a bad idea and as if it might give false encouragement to the > author(s). The author requested a non-WG mailing list for this proposal on = September 12 and I immediately rejected the proposal telling the author = that there is insufficient interest to form a mailing list. He promptly = forwarded my private mail to the list (You can see my message downthread = in this message along with Lee=E2=80=99s message) = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/gOHqX4GU73uzoxTM_bQsXhrvW1E= In that message it seemed that the author had realized that there is no = support for his proposal and did not post further into the list. Then this message resurrected a dead discussion and people started = having conversations about the future of IP itself while being on the = same IPv10/IPmix thread. = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/fJ4_MpNFDhLm2GdBvoZE-FDTz0g= Then the draft author saw this as support for his proposal and requested = a mailing list again. = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/TWo2VU2wWYcD9TGyahneIithzKA= This has all been very disruptive to the intarea mailing list greatly = lowering the SNR. Something had to change. Initially, I was considering = a PR action, but after careful consideration I realized that it was not = applicable yet in this case. The goal of this mail is to establish the = relevancy (or, as I suspect, irrelevancy) of this proposal and that will = aid me in either moving it to a better home or to invoke PR action to = put a stop to the disruption. Thanks Suresh P.S.: Yes, this is all a colossal waste of the organizational resources = (taking countless hours of people=E2=80=99s time) but I am resigned to = the fact that dealing with DOS attacks is the cost of openness.= From nobody Sat Oct 7 09:41:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CDF134CE3 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=0.874, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hotmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbWfcXcQvyRM for ; 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Best regards, Khaled -----Original Message----- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rolf Winter Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:42 AM To: int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) Hi, I am quite strongly opposed to assign any further IETF ressources to this w= ork. This has gone on too long for my taste. In April (!!, https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg05634.html) the WG has already determined that it does not want to pursue this work any= further. There has only been a single proponent, who at some point wanted = to have his text removed from the IETF servers and threatened to even use l= egal actions, just to come back days later with another version of this ide= a. The whole discussion around this is unfounded claims which industry prof= essionals have dismissed repeatedly such as the ease of software updates to= deploy this. As others have said, interested people can go someplace else = and further discuss and develop this, but AFAICT, the IETF community as agr= eed to NOT pursue this further. Please make this stop! It is one thing to b= e nice to newcomers, which I believe is important, but THIS is not healthy = to the community and it is wasting a lot of people's time. Rewarding this b= ehaviour with additional IETF ressources will set a bad precedence in my op= pinion. Best, Rolf Am 05.10.17 um 05:08 schrieb Juan Carlos Zuniga: > Dear all, >=20 > The IntArea mailing list has been repeatedly used to debate=20 > draft-omar-ipv10. So far, comments posted on the mailing list have=20 > consistently pointed towards a highly controversial topic on multiple=20 > levels. This includes the lack of a valid problem statement as well as=20 > a clear and persistent disconnect between the suggested proposal in > draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market trends, deployments and=20 > available solutions. >=20 > The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with the nature and=20 > tone of the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusiastic about=20 > its potential prospect within the IntArea WG. >=20 > However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to encourage pursuing=20 > the discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is sufficient interest=20 > in the topic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purpose, we=20 > would like to gauge the community interest to work on the problem=20 > statement and proposal described in draft-omar-IPv10 (possibly to be rena= med IPmix). >=20 > If you are interested in participating in the work mentioned above,=20 > please respond to this mail expressing your support by October 17, 2017. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Juan Carlos, Wassim and Suresh >=20 > IntArea WG Chairs + AD >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area >=20 _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area From nobody Sat Oct 7 14:44:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EF2134B18 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 14:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.71 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nUdKNDTKniUS for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 14:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 225C21330BF for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=eiTNflZ5t2JpbiaYlStmG3GlWl1yMRdQcTsVwDkXaUE=; b=Jm/XufIKQrUS1P2V/5OsIHzxC P5clymp3NCZlnrvKU0fSJGmQ0P5owzUyYqJeY5eSdemesPnqxbqcOmg4O/ky0oe1xp+S2yLVU9+X/ T9ubQAIHE2rb2u1dJIgTedFCMKurDvfbJt5OSoFDZuaCBAULOgH66MkD5gbbbf2TYWVfnF+EmNETA fG3IINVO267H0IY9H/B0sgRHHgRtvHlkyVUX+xV0Q4nAepOtjhAUoPU2fHMC2CBR96ZDq0GQWZonO Hht4m8jvh3h/Zt/e9v8Rx3nknRO7SxuqWmdFO9cfQoo3I95tlqvzdoTM9RNSnGX5iXor/FRYVZKJC 6p25hCdtw==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:65339 helo=[192.168.1.158]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1e0wtt-000Kt8-Ic; Sat, 07 Oct 2017 17:44:50 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joe Touch X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15A421) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 14:44:48 -0700 Cc: Rolf Winter , int-area Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> To: Khaled Omar X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 21:44:52 -0000 > On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wrot= e: >=20 > people started to participate=20 Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name does no f= urther damage to the IP version codepoint. 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You can check all e-mails sent to the int-area WG discussing IPmix (IPv10). > I will not be participating further. This is up to you. Best regards, Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@strayalpha.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:45 PM To: Khaled Omar Cc: Rolf Winter; int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) > On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wro= te: >=20 > people started to participate=20 Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name does no = further damage to the IP version codepoint. I will not be participating fur= ther.=20 Joe From nobody Sat Oct 7 15:33:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2F7133063 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.99 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TChzGxXhf3FY for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 294291330AF for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Dlo8D1OzFLepfPKElRvrJN1El2QkZL6mOWULuwX6HHM=; b=5tJ+QJ6elbggmAYyS+h08hVF4 32WZYqk+Umz3s37LNs3EbYkQc8G79ItP0AWg1yHUZOEGi9BGs2qqagsWrFo2aq2rN0ubs9FxuG0Ma CzA7BCal/JPIvNOmJQhQB45rRjRqdYdK3k8FO1DqLc00WipbTEH9oR7om+Ln1mL40teCjRZxujYBa B+pZpE//EwNc0WywTfPD1UQat5NQgrvpzme2ZrrmcjhYcfPgai4q8oAwVBTYksC15axUFAJgLgUfy w+tAtzHOZsB+7snJA3BJ09T4IQZankuLH2PGCwE8WsjBwLd8qTwoqzOoljqv3+QZ9k6sq2KLmx7J1 NP/+KRTig==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:55780 helo=[192.168.1.28]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1e0xec-0011fJ-Mn; Sat, 07 Oct 2017 18:33:08 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joe Touch X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A421) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 15:33:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> To: int-area@ietf.org X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:33:11 -0000 To others on the list: yes, this is another example of unauthorized forwardi= ng of private mail.=20 However, in this case I=E2=80=99m glad. =20 In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their position c= lear as well.=20 Joe > On Oct 7, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Khaled Omar wrot= e: >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Khaled Omar=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:56 PM > To: 'Joe Touch' > Subject: RE: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 >> Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >=20 > You can check all e-mails sent to the int-area WG discussing IPmix (IPv10)= . >=20 >> I will not be participating further. >=20 > This is up to you. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Khaled Omar >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@strayalpha.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:45 PM > To: Khaled Omar > Cc: Rolf Winter; int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wro= te: >>=20 >> people started to participate=20 >=20 > Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >=20 > To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name does no= further damage to the IP version codepoint. I will not be participating fur= ther.=20 >=20 > Joe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area From nobody Sun Oct 8 00:07:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE574134BAF for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 00:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.from=jordi.palet@consulintel.es header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRFoarjfUbqu for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 00:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [217.126.185.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0771342DA for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 00:07:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1507446445; x=1508051245; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic: References:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type: Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; bh=NEJSsQvvlhZQu+r7QfdelRBbD MhDXgOtil1/h0gUMPw=; b=OoPKX1kpspbCAdentxPPaoiXqXg4XCsqliuY/8siD 8RjhjqyN31VjgMs1k0HVBdQhf5A/2VdhHNfzQrJHG0qQTjruqoq+R7K08wj9RzfP aGe3Ne+UepEb4g5U/q6iDOa9nQFabOUFPXo9hGOh374wy9PKaKBWUqvzp9Ud2t1s mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=iXtKAkl5zDuWFK7VV01LtpyOKwxHCLRtD6YyQgN+pEzmu0sufud4lhyvod6M JjFiIjR8WTVaXoZQ74MxGnKiD6asL+VmDZoitQ3gbTTLORY0wrG1ImlRq V/QZ6ZTNeRtWsJv1iJHVJyqiwg48d243LqGtiWCrd+uDCW/V8jV/RQ=; X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sun, 08 Oct 2017 09:07:25 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sun, 08 Oct 2017 09:07:25 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.134] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50005587291.msg for ; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 09:07:25 +0200 X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:171008:md50005587291::UjBNBwSuUYx6w8F6:00003oAG X-Return-Path: prvs=1454cd3571=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: int-area@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.26.0.170902 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 09:07:24 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Int-area] FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> In-Reply-To: <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 07:07:30 -0000 Forwarding private emails in public is an unlawful act (at least in general= in EU is considered =E2=80=9Cbreach of correspondence=E2=80=9D). I=E2=80=99ve doubts of what is the jurisdiction here, if the email receiver= =E2=80=99s countries, if the email sender country, or the country where the= IETF email servers are located, maybe even several of them. Should IETF allow unlawful acts in the email exploders or should we do some= thing about it? I=E2=80=99m saying this not just by this email, but a sender that has done = this many times. Regards, Jordi =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: Int-area en nombre de Joe Touch Responder a: Fecha: domingo, 8 de octubre de 2017, 0:33 Para: Asunto: Re: [Int-area] FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) To others on the list: yes, this is another example of unauthorized for= warding of private mail.=20 =20 However, in this case I=E2=80=99m glad. =20 =20 In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their posi= tion clear as well.=20 =20 Joe =20 > On Oct 7, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Khaled Omar = wrote: >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Khaled Omar=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:56 PM > To: 'Joe Touch' > Subject: RE: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 >> Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >=20 > You can check all e-mails sent to the int-area WG discussing IPmix (I= Pv10). >=20 >> I will not be participating further. >=20 > This is up to you. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Khaled Omar >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@strayalpha.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:45 PM > To: Khaled Omar > Cc: Rolf Winter; int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: >>=20 >> people started to participate=20 >=20 > Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >=20 > To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name do= es no further damage to the IP version codepoint. I will not be participati= ng further.=20 >=20 > Joe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area =20 _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area =20 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the i= ndividual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, = copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if p= artially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be cons= idered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware t= hat any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this in= formation, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibi= ted, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the origin= al sender to inform about this communication and delete it. From nobody Sun Oct 8 01:04:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B3C134D7A for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.733 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.733 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RMNJwPt3_myZ for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 640FF132D44 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v9884TF7031699 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:04:29 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BC8922030EC for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33AF200B4E for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [132.166.84.55] ([132.166.84.55]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v9884TYR018548 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:04:29 +0200 To: int-area@ietf.org References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <7cc15484-494b-94b3-21d1-6308bdb698fa@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:04:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] forwarding emails ( FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10)) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:04:33 -0000 Khaled, There are many ways in which to replicate a private discussion to the public email list. In this particular case, if someone asks you to not forward private messages, but still discuss publicly, you can do this: send again the initial message from you but to the email list. You can do that by re-editing the same message and setting the destination accordingly. You should do that, rather than forwarding a message that you already sent privately. The hotmail email user agent must have some facility to move messages from the "Sent" folder to the "Drafts" folder, before sending. Clicking "Forward" is too easy, and disturbs. Alex Le 07/10/2017 à 23:56, Khaled Omar a écrit : > > -----Original Message----- > From: Khaled Omar > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:56 PM > To: 'Joe Touch' > Subject: RE: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) > >> Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? > > You can check all e-mails sent to the int-area WG discussing IPmix (IPv10). > >> I will not be participating further. > > This is up to you. > > Best regards, > > Khaled Omar > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@strayalpha.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:45 PM > To: Khaled Omar > Cc: Rolf Winter; int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) > > > >> On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: >> >> people started to participate > > Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? > > To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name does no further damage to the IP version codepoint. I will not be participating further. > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Sun Oct 8 01:09:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A711134DE2 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mLt9BZjL5uNR for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A2B6134DE3 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 01:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v98895FC034056 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:09:05 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B1ED22030E5 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:09:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F332202A1C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:09:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [132.166.84.12] ([132.166.84.12]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v98895vZ009343 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:09:05 +0200 To: int-area@ietf.org References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:09:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] =?utf-8?q?another_email_list_=28was=C8=98__FW=3A_Call?= =?utf-8?q?_for_support=3A_IPmix_I-D_=28was_IPv10=29=29?= X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:09:09 -0000 Le 08/10/2017 à 00:33, Joe Touch a écrit : [...] > In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their > position clear as well. I suggest discussing it on another email list: https://groups.google.com/d/forum/ip-versions Alex From nobody Sun Oct 8 07:28:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A091344D0 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 07:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.99 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zpQTUpT4n06z for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC9AE13306F for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 07:28:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Frghi+6LTDFRKDPVzgn5SKaJ8qmfN6s6zmvcGSZdEug=; b=z00P6qmq/9L4S2Ib47TW5bymB IyaE460ZWgEy6YMfOqShLs9+VRfS48hcBykR7LbXKOl9puUqgpB9d+vtvbkGxMw6eqKZLaiW55ns1 1JLKiy5NcZPqg9d9mlueYo7URYqkkFe6jBHbnUeD/lQ5WeSZIjLjOPFR28njCbK1NkdcqtS71RWJX 5jsqrGZ29IQXvPJ2+et7cIwrlks5XCxlQa6pjNCgaK2+Tge88UHPBnsaTzJA9oWcEPhb9HHxxLas2 SMFpYtT/EGon/fq395MPjGxpbKHlbV9fZkdaUEhKSKMzimRFheRe7n5eRTOrG1df0noS4yLo5LZNB 6eezZIv6A==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:50881 helo=[192.168.1.158]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1e1CZ6-001AQF-LG; Sun, 08 Oct 2017 10:28:25 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joe Touch X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15A421) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 07:28:23 -0700 Cc: int-area@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97FE7934-D215-4B29-AF6A-97A70BEDB4FB@strayalpha.com> References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> To: Alexandre Petrescu X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] =?utf-8?q?another_email_list_=28was=C8=98__FW=3A_Call?= =?utf-8?q?_for_support=3A_IPmix_I-D_=28was_IPv10=29=29?= X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 14:28:28 -0000 > On Oct 8, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >=20 > Le 08/10/2017 =C3=A0 00:33, Joe Touch a =C3=A9crit : > [...] >=20 >> In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their positi= on clear as well. >=20 > I suggest discussing it on another email list: > https://groups.google.com/d/forum/ip-versions >=20 > Alex A call for interest in this topic was issued. It asked for positive replies. I=E2=80=99m saying negative replies are helpf= ul too. 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[45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l24sm2461817ywh.9.2017.10.08.16.40.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Oct 2017 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 19:40:46 -0400 Cc: Rolf Winter , int-area Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> To: Khaled Omar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:40:50 -0000 Hi Khaled, > On Oct 7, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Khaled Omar = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Seems like you are against the author or the idea or even both, your = own opinion is respected, but don't force someone to do something, He clearly mentioned he is against the idea. He does not seem to be = forcing anybody to do anything. > people started to participate and shows their own comments and this = will take the I-D further. Let=E2=80=99s see. I am yet to see anybody chime in support other than = you. Once the call completes, we will evaluate the support. Until then, = let=E2=80=99s wait to hear from other people who have not commented. 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[45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v130sm2687487ywc.66.2017.10.08.17.02.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 20:02:54 -0400 Cc: int-area@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:02:58 -0000 Hi Jordi, > On Oct 8, 2017, at 3:07 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >=20 > Forwarding private emails in public is an unlawful act (at least in = general in EU is considered =E2=80=9Cbreach of correspondence=E2=80=9D). >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve doubts of what is the jurisdiction here, if the email = receiver=E2=80=99s countries, if the email sender country, or the = country where the IETF email servers are located, maybe even several of = them. >=20 > Should IETF allow unlawful acts in the email exploders or should we do = something about it? >=20 > I=E2=80=99m saying this not just by this email, but a sender that has = done this many times. Not sure about the legality, but forwarding private mails publicly is = considered poor etiquette. Several of us have conveyed this to the = sender but this keeps on repeating. At this point, I am working under = the assumption that my private emails will be forwarded somewhere. At = the moment, the sole point of this thread is to determine if there is = interest to work in this proposal. If you would like to discuss the = legal aspects of this, please send me a private mail so that I can = discuss that with the IESG/IAOC/IETF legal counsel if necessary. 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[45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v130sm2687487ywc.66.2017.10.08.17.03.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Oct 2017 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: <97FE7934-D215-4B29-AF6A-97A70BEDB4FB@strayalpha.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 20:03:12 -0400 Cc: Alexandre Petrescu , int-area@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> <97FE7934-D215-4B29-AF6A-97A70BEDB4FB@strayalpha.com> To: Joe Touch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] =?utf-8?q?another_email_list_=28was=C8=98__FW=3A_Call?= =?utf-8?q?_for_support=3A_IPmix_I-D_=28was_IPv10=29=29?= X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:03:15 -0000 > On Oct 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Joe Touch wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 8, 2017, at 1:09 AM, Alexandre Petrescu = wrote: >>=20 >> Le 08/10/2017 =C3=A0 00:33, Joe Touch a =C3=A9crit : >> [...] >>=20 >>> In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their = position clear as well. >>=20 >> I suggest discussing it on another email list: >> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/ip-versions >>=20 >> Alex >=20 > A call for interest in this topic was issued. >=20 > It asked for positive replies. I=E2=80=99m saying negative replies are = helpful too. Yes. For sure. Thanks for your input. Regards Suresh From nobody Sun Oct 8 23:20:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306CF129A89 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0HGPvt22V45 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 901DB1326FE for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 25978B0; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:20:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1507530020; bh=jYUx49enQAXuq0prWglSra4goEI/2u2lov1prAhgEl0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ZIp35Db5uUrtFVe1ibfPxdEWKFmTgdheBIsLILNVGhk4lkFQKvw8oOtOHheL0EyDB FIQc5KsdYUbmKjHwSis99heCPiAyRLHa0THSHoCYhn+90/B1r9SjKidlF6GlYeSMkZ GVJGIS7D1iTAv0wOJ/b/Y0NQTyud9tUiMDsZsqZM= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C5084; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:20:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:20:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Joe Touch cc: int-area@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> Message-ID: References: <97838bfd-10c3-9c24-8313-16167f4f554d@hs-augsburg.de> <68F1C4B3-9365-4684-9D88-98D1042B3C55@strayalpha.com> <447F3821-BB5B-4792-8D47-1BAB3C907289@strayalpha.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="-137064504-263351251-1507530019=:31961" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:20:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-263351251-1507530019=:31961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, So while I have previously pointed out to Khaled that he's not supposed to forward private email to the list (which he has repeatedly done), in this specific incident it seems to me that you did actually cc int-area here? It can be seen in the "CC" below, and I did receive the email you sent that Khaled repled to. Nontheless, I would like to say that people interested in IPmix should go somewhere outside the IETF and work on their ideas. There has already been press indicating that "the IETF is working on the successor to IPv6" which is just further causing problem with FUD regarding IPv6 deployment. On Sat, 7 Oct 2017, Joe Touch wrote: > To others on the list: yes, this is another example of unauthorized forwarding of private mail. > > However, in this case I’m glad. > > In encourage others who have posted about this topic to make their position clear as well. > > Joe > >> On Oct 7, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Khaled Omar wrote: >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Khaled Omar >> Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:56 PM >> To: 'Joe Touch' >> Subject: RE: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >> >>> Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >> >> You can check all e-mails sent to the int-area WG discussing IPmix (IPv10). >> >>> I will not be participating further. >> >> This is up to you. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Khaled Omar >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@strayalpha.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:45 PM >> To: Khaled Omar >> Cc: Rolf Winter; int-area >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >> >> >> >>> On Oct 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: >>> >>> people started to participate >> >> Can you provide the list of who you think will participate? >> >> To make my position clear, I cared only about making sure the name does no further damage to the IP version codepoint. I will not be participating further. >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Int-area mailing list >> Int-area@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-263351251-1507530019=:31961-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 01:31:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FA1134C0D for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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You cc=E2=80=99d int-area on your original note as far as I can = tell. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p95sm15529455wrc.53.2017.10.09.04.22.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: "int-area@ietf.org" Cc: intarea-chairs References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:22:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:22:25 -0000 Whilst I have no opinion on this technical proposal, I do think that the IETF needs to support the ability to discuss and develop ideas that are not mainstream. The "rough consensus and running code" IETF tag line implies a pragmatic approach that seems lacking when it comes to the evolution of the Internet layer, where IPv6 has acquired a status that is almost religious in nature. At the end of the day we are talking about a tiny amount of storage to support this list request. If it does not get used so what? If it does get used maybe it will trigger some useful thoughts. In wider scope, I am particularly concerned that this discussion will cause others to resist proposing non-mainstream ideas for fear of the reaction that will get, and that is not in the long term best interests of the Internet. 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[63.140.89.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o14sm1200080pfa.62.2017.10.09.04.35.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Melinda Shore To: int-area@ietf.org References: Message-ID: <8bf8db2a-e69b-476c-cb31-1461e609279f@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:35:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3DU1ncGSKfRPEobS7lbpm0rUcnFDG3DJu" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:36:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3DU1ncGSKfRPEobS7lbpm0rUcnFDG3DJu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Ap4dNJuvdCXGsIcMJiWnKP0RMMUssTQcU"; protected-headers="v1" From: Melinda Shore To: int-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <8bf8db2a-e69b-476c-cb31-1461e609279f@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) References: In-Reply-To: --Ap4dNJuvdCXGsIcMJiWnKP0RMMUssTQcU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/9/17 3:22 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >=20 > Whilst I have no opinion on this technical proposal, I do think that th= e > IETF needs to support the ability to discuss and develop ideas that are= > not mainstream. I do, as well, and there are certainly examples of protocols that, er, weren't well-received when the first drafts were published. I don't think that's entirely the issue here - the argument behind the proposal is incoherent, the author is abusing the mailing list, and he seems reluctant to take it off the mailing list and work on it. It's probably worth noting that the fellow with the proposal to expand the IPv4 address space by using octets with values from 256-999, and who kept updating his draft, caused far less disruption. Out-of-the-mainstream, or even wrong, proposals aren't a problem per se, and certainly not the problem here. 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So far, comments posted on the mailing list have > consistently pointed towards a highly controversial topic on multiple > levels. This includes the lack of a valid problem statement as well as a > clear and persistent disconnect between the suggested proposal in > draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market trends, deployments and available > solutions. > > > > The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with the nature and tone of > the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusiastic about its potential > prospect within the IntArea WG. > > > > However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to encourage pursuing the > discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is sufficient interest in the > topic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purpose, we would like to > gauge the community interest to work on the problem statement and proposal > described in draft-omar-IPv10 (possibly to be renamed IPmix). > > > > If you are interested in participating in the work mentioned above, please > respond to this mail expressing your support by October 17, 2017. > The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further discussions about this. 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I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the > proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing > to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further > discussions about this. +1, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herber= t > Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:32 AM > To: Juan Carlos Zuniga > Cc: int-area@ietf.org; intarea-chairs > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > The IntArea mailing list has been repeatedly used to debate > > draft-omar-ipv10. So far, comments posted on the mailing list have > > consistently pointed towards a highly controversial topic on multiple > > levels. This includes the lack of a valid problem statement as well as = a > > clear and persistent disconnect between the suggested proposal in > > draft-omar-ipv10 and the current market trends, deployments and > available > > solutions. > > > > > > > > The IntArea AD and WG chairs are not satisfied with the nature and tone= of > > the current exchange on the IntArea ML, nor enthusiastic about its > potential > > prospect within the IntArea WG. > > > > > > > > However, the IntArea AD and WG chairs would like to encourage pursuing > the > > discussion outside the IntArea WG if there is sufficient interest in th= e > > topic, e.g., on a separate mailing list. For this purpose, we would lik= e to > > gauge the community interest to work on the problem statement and > proposal > > described in draft-omar-IPv10 (possibly to be renamed IPmix). > > > > > > > > If you are interested in participating in the work mentioned above, ple= ase > > respond to this mail expressing your support by October 17, 2017. > > > The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area > list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the > proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing > to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further > discussions about this. >=20 > Tom >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area From nobody Mon Oct 9 18:13:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FEC134450 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jBsUGcQPeNKb for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailrelay31.naist.jp (mailrelay31.naist.jp [163.221.12.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA832134324 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpost31.naist.jp (mailscan31.naist.jp [163.221.12.156]) by mailrelay31.naist.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFDC2A4 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from [10.0.1.82] (ab168161.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [183.76.168.161]) by mailpost31.naist.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 303DC2A3 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:13:10 +0900 (JST) To: int-area@ietf.org References: From: Gabor LENCSE Message-ID: <404a6db4-9ede-0c72-b95f-ad045e4fe645@is.naist.jp> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:13:09 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: hu X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1808-8.1.0.1062-23382.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--5.086-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--5.086-7.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 5U0T3tp5JdGPvrMjLFD6eB5+URxv1WlBWDesRNOOJ5R40NDah2ISIckU hKWc+gwPoO9cNC/nIh6MuszwSEgMvme90Z2gWyxaF9jfTqcDduhRMEg8Dnr1Id7qoZLm7F0i+d9 xr51aboCbuOM6DdCcsh64w9t/cUrRA1Pi94FW2xueAiCmPx4NwLTrdaH1ZWqClfS5S24K8Oh54U BAehU1km8XPK8AH+KO0sc6R07Ku+76C0ePs7A07Y6HM5rqDwqtncia76X2mHkLi3reJGa4n/fwC uHk39ACRNZg0CMKWsR0HaQU8zl9Eg== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:13:16 -0000 On 10/10/2017 12:49 AM, Black, David wrote: >> The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area >> list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the >> proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing >> to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further >> discussions about this. > +1, --David +1 Gabor From nobody Tue Oct 10 10:16:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DF01345B5; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gGB-O-b5zlIa; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56648132055; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id t69so7176248wmt.2; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=fdFEFcF61TdTiu6je2WqqFnA6XUlFO7wBWth+AlEpx0=; b=mTCUeEhHJpqqyDGLcgGFAjcv/yogipMBAiJ2Shzir9RRZewQ4DgGIDf1n3RZfd7dKl 5DWdhtZG35610zpgJgoyQ2UEovmOnuC3HqrwjZRNB2pZkQRKpjFoKCG+CExOeUWLL6eV PDu9Ucxf7MXCtftjAc0TXL747pg3w5UDDRyt6sLUHyzAjuZ2ivuQnL1wFIr17KzSGvht Z5edy005fQgX0fsDltSfUd0NRN3zdYN9YooiAiCP//I5WpuvLdvw/unMriS0dD19gyFP X5/rhakjFCzwDHvoBLpy//yhN1+zfCVPdwP8V8g20la7nx0vMDLzwH/9dpQY2vyAJ5fW Ofyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=fdFEFcF61TdTiu6je2WqqFnA6XUlFO7wBWth+AlEpx0=; b=AzDxiLg5G3JXU2US4iZjM3MxIzL10EqCMFLk5sSPJ0BrPHSzxgaSPibO8Pz+2dLwum AN7PCTyu99eKmwEkMDoCPEPwGx3+LlJUGE6qLxQQF6YO2Lr+ktNVRpLlB/6r2oLcPktz 5P2cLcznEzL7TVDTtxXkNYCq5AJr5zfwCKvZWkb0KfTzBf/DDXtHCYG0WckOrW4vvN4P yKfHF3cynUfv4rwTyu9pJxW8dNn5+Vp6EX2dNilFeKzbV0BPu5wbuFTIAhGu2ZgkySKq jt7LGgkvo3soZGwijPxzrh9d/uZxVr0jew3dBf693hpNbMAil6wE6+XDE0uvPeaPC4BY 07Gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWY5HDF68tAIbz7zs5A17mKDrPeyoVcgaXGNtlP6s/XOk+yZd+U oU/DbvNeI/e3AWsXS6toYCrBGE15 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCbx9xWoQBHC1Nsnou+TA1cUxVYcWtmSqH0KpndyS8fdU7QyOqke/9aEKB7HesYtj7NQ1jg8Q== X-Received: by 10.223.171.236 with SMTP id s99mr12453573wrc.27.1507655650612; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:4d01:db10:54c9:763:87:641f? 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I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the > proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing > to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further > discussions about this. >=20 I have read the draft and agree with Tom=E2=80=99s summary. 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Oktober 2017 03:13 An: int-area@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) On 10/10/2017 12:49 AM, Black, David wrote: >> The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area=20 >> list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the=20 >> proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing=20 >> to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further=20 >> discussions about this. > +1, --David +1 Gabor _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area From nobody Wed Oct 11 06:58:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1F8132355 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmCi0r9HSuvY for ; 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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jinmei.tatuya@gmail.com Received: by 10.237.61.137 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <730B937E-4F01-4E0C-9750-EA41BD860FFD@cisco.com> References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> <730B937E-4F01-4E0C-9750-EA41BD860FFD@cisco.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:29:59 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6JNSfciC1Uw-hmul6zRcyyHWAMQ Message-ID: To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" Cc: int-area Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:30:04 -0000 At Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:57:57 +0000, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" wrote: > Regarding the way to represent the FQDN, the authors do not have any > hard position. It seems to us that plain ASCII is easier and > shorter. "Shorter" is clearly incorrect regarding the worst case. "Easier" may be a subjective concept, but I personally don't think it easier to handle all the corner cases of parsing textual domain name representation. > You have a good point that we need to make it clear in the text that "foo.com" is the same ID as "FoO.CoM" or as "foo.com." (unsure whether we want to go to the octal representation). > > FQDNs as plain ASCII are shorter than 'compressed DNS format' when written in a usual way using ASCII without any octal escape, or, did I fail to understand you? I'm not sure what "compressed DNS format" means. But if you're talking about textual vs binary representation of a domain name, it is correct that the textual form without any escaping is shorter than the binary form. But the difference is minor - it's just one or two octets shorter (one if the textual form contains the trailing dot, two otherwise). And, in the case of draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains-02, if it contains the trailing nul octet, it's just zero or one octet shorter. Example: a textual (and shortest) representation "a.example.com." consumes 13-15 octets (depending on whether to contain the trailing dot or the trailing nul). Its binary form always consumes 15 octets. btw, I'd note that RFC8106 uses the binary representation of domain names for the DNS search list option. I guess the pros and cons on text vs binary should be largely the same - an implementation of RFC8106 also needs to parse the value and is quite likely to dump it in the textual form, and the data length could be a concern as an RA option. If we were okay with the binary form in RFC8106, I don't see why we aren't for draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains. -- jinmei From nobody Wed Oct 11 12:10:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECD0133059 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id saKIDx3XXyzA for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Oct 2017 19:10:07.2754 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0501MB2050 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:10:11 -0000 Agree >=20 > On 10/10/2017 12:49 AM, Black, David wrote: > >> The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area > >> list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the > >> proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willing > >> to apply feedback from the discussion. I am not interested in further > >> discussions about this. > > +1, --David >=20 *********************************** From nobody Wed Oct 11 12:14:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D608113208E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gKuxgMEPZpr2 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22d.google.com (mail-pf0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D51231331E3 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 17so1698883pfn.12 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=NvQuAz0OIGmWSMPrfvxTbIznFxa5I6FxFYcrQ3RH9Q8=; b=dEwpz1z0//peYZNwV7YGTYM63Iu7MCEj1uQvAXRVrpX1OQDUeznKLub3N3JovSKytQ YkCEgUgXfrP8W/8QZs2JorsleOyafM409F+LZjhzbRGgyzbE2sVHNbriW6TvAo/8FFhS HZgbMDmFaS0LqZxihaOzKGx+a+LkeB6KSRQhFY+gAM1qoMrrO+YP6m2qVRvwfszSM6DA iWZ8Dxk4rj3lZ1agcSuY5WMNzf9Zl2NVLxZxJqiWbFB7aSopF3qCqu6vq3r4zrZq0+eb 2YdB4zZF8Wl7ZyVMD252+WQ2xts1SIIa7vGxSA1KcVuNizyE/Zvz8wV03LOBjIhZdIYd a4uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=NvQuAz0OIGmWSMPrfvxTbIznFxa5I6FxFYcrQ3RH9Q8=; b=VgMwsG6HRvIdV7G+5i4qx/J8rL1gUciTjvPBnAZHa75/sdJXNyFWtZHg3tcbFaRut2 Uwa7txkDs46FXBCea75KkCpvpxKMEuO6w+hjgqb4f0eWTdSS3N45lhlTER2OSd2saB/O dLMCg+gK/WYTNuDApnI1/shRg4s14dbD3dNzhOOukttFqdJ3aBmb8EeOf7ibl/fHdEsI hXQ/GvW3mkqc7ByhsLNpRnAwS+ha0bsajPPAXR0mPM9nJvFUl6QcLT1DltLhaKXE4Ye6 gpElSpyJK3Mb61zsMby0pVN5qMmFgyIof6+aX5Xit/zHpFzpiBRcE06m68FZ63ld0RlY y6mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWfRQy0JihjfIVajiQfVwz75nGcRjy0VCdN8OvsALRanv3q+wsQ uQUxw1mw3inZZ3Xk0X6L2OI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAAc9xacJ+31IzRir+N7bspgEQ3K7OCqQeGMx+3B1U6eQgurJz2rULG14uJenZWfb0mdVneqQ== X-Received: by 10.101.93.5 with SMTP id e5mr31947pgr.55.1507749279178; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.224.219] ([209.97.127.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m17sm15985588pfh.28.2017.10.11.12.14.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <60BF3248-3891-415B-A339-FC36B1CAB48E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C709162-2B57-4313-822F-F3F5661B29F9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" , int-area To: =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> <730B937E-4F01-4E0C-9750-EA41BD860FFD@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:14:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7C709162-2B57-4313-822F-F3F5661B29F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jinmei, > On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:29 AM, =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89 = wrote: >=20 > At Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:57:57 +0000, > "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" wrote: >=20 >> Regarding the way to represent the FQDN, the authors do not have any >> hard position. It seems to us that plain ASCII is easier and >> shorter. >=20 > "Shorter" is clearly incorrect regarding the worst case. "Easier" may > be a subjective concept, but I personally don't think it easier to > handle all the corner cases of parsing textual domain name > representation. >=20 >> You have a good point that we need to make it clear in the text that = "foo.com" is the same ID as "FoO.CoM" or as "foo.com." (unsure whether = we want to go to the octal representation). >>=20 >> FQDNs as plain ASCII are shorter than 'compressed DNS format' when = written in a usual way using ASCII without any octal escape, or, did I = fail to understand you? >=20 > I'm not sure what "compressed DNS format" means. But if you're > talking about textual vs binary representation of a domain name, > it is correct that the textual form without any escaping is shorter > than the binary form. But the difference is minor - it's just one or > two octets shorter (one if the textual form contains the trailing dot, > two otherwise). And, in the case of > draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains-02, if it contains the > trailing nul octet, it's just zero or one octet shorter. >=20 > Example: a textual (and shortest) representation "a.example.com." > consumes 13-15 octets (depending on whether to contain the trailing > dot or the trailing nul). Its binary form always consumes 15 octets. >=20 > btw, I'd note that RFC8106 uses the binary representation of domain > names for the DNS search list option. I guess the pros and cons on > text vs binary should be largely the same - an implementation of > RFC8106 also needs to parse the value and is quite likely to dump it > in the textual form, and the data length could be a concern as an RA > option. If we were okay with the binary form in RFC8106, I don't see > why we aren't for draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains. I agree. Further, I think there would have to a very good reason to do = something different that how RFC8106 handles this. Having two different = ways to encode DNS info in RA options seems like a very bad idea. 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([2406:e007:6d3c:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g24sm27471801pfk.0.2017.10.11.12.34.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) To: int-area@ietf.org References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> <730B937E-4F01-4E0C-9750-EA41BD860FFD@cisco.com> <60BF3248-3891-415B-A339-FC36B1CAB48E@gmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:34:48 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60BF3248-3891-415B-A339-FC36B1CAB48E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:34:48 -0000 On 12/10/2017 08:14, Bob Hinden wrote: ... >> btw, I'd note that RFC8106 uses the binary representation of domain >> names for the DNS search list option. I guess the pros and cons on >> text vs binary should be largely the same - an implementation of >> RFC8106 also needs to parse the value and is quite likely to dump it >> in the textual form, and the data length could be a concern as an RA >> option. If we were okay with the binary form in RFC8106, I don't see >> why we aren't for draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains. > > I agree. Further, I think there would have to a very good reason to do something different that how RFC8106 handles this. Having two different ways to encode DNS info in RA options seems like a very bad idea. + several I recently had occasion to parse some DNS RRs containing non-ASCII bytes, and life would have been so much easier if I'd been given binary instead of escape-coded ASCII. I haven't followed the details, but I do hope that if you stick to ASCII you will use the RFC 1035 convention for escaping non-ASCII bytes. That's what I would expect existing code to support. 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Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:10 PM > To: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for support: IPmix I-D (was IPv10) >=20 > Agree >=20 >=20 > > > > On 10/10/2017 12:49 AM, Black, David wrote: > > >> The draft and the concept have been thoroughly discussed on int-area > > >> list (twice). I don't see that the problem is worth solving, the > > >> proposed solution is remotely feasible, or that the author is willin= g > > >> to apply feedback from the discussion. 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[107.107.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x79sm11644732pfa.156.2017.10.12.07.13.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C63D3C2E-0EA4-4641-ACAA-2D808B294FDA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:13:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7EB01A3B-715F-44C5-8ED5-157F2B20871E@cisco.com> Cc: Brian E Carpenter , "int-area@ietf.org" To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" References: <598675A3-39A7-450D-A205-755D457577A8@ericsson.com> <03AB3EF5-3004-4BBD-96CB-E6550DFEABE8@gmail.com> <730B937E-4F01-4E0C-9750-EA41BD860FFD@cisco.com> <60BF3248-3891-415B-A339-FC36B1CAB48E@gmail.com> <7EB01A3B-715F-44C5-8ED5-157F2B20871E@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [v6ops] WG Adoption Call: Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:13:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C63D3C2E-0EA4-4641-ACAA-2D808B294FDA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 12, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) = wrote: > Honestly, the authors do not care a lot on this topic and we are all = ears. OTOH, the version first version of the draft (still an individual = submission) used the 'binary' format (as in RDNSS) and then we receive = several negative reviews on this topic: wasting space (as there is no = compression when there is a single FQDN) and more complex for the = sender/receiver. OTOH, consistency with RFC 8106 would be nice. Space usage should be about the same. We've really never had an issue = with this in the DHCP world, where we represent FQDNs in DNS wire = format. Presentation formats suck for interop. Don't do it. If = someone said that it was a bad idea, and it was because of space issues, = they are wrong. If it was because of complexity issues, we could of = course talk about that, but I suspect they are still wrong. The = problem with the complexity argument is that there is complexity both = ways; if you only talk about the complexity of converting to and from = wire format, they've left out the complexity of defining and validating = the presentation format, probably on the theory that it's no problem if = it doesn't come out right in some edge case. "It's no problem if it doesn't come out right in some edge case" is a = classic source of zero days vulns. :) --Apple-Mail=_C63D3C2E-0EA4-4641-ACAA-2D808B294FDA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On Oct 12, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> = wrote:
Honestly, the = authors do not care a lot on this topic and we are all ears. OTOH, the = version first version of the draft (still an individual submission) used = the 'binary' format (as in RDNSS) and then we receive several negative = reviews on this topic: wasting space (as there is no compression when = there is a single FQDN) and more complex for the sender/receiver. OTOH, = consistency with RFC 8106 would be = nice.

Space = usage should be about the same.   We've really never had an issue = with this in the DHCP world, where we represent FQDNs in DNS wire = format.   Presentation formats suck for interop.   Don't do = it.   If someone said that it was a bad idea, and it was because of = space issues, they are wrong.   If it was because of complexity = issues, we could of course talk about that, but I suspect they are still = wrong.   The problem with the complexity argument is that there is = complexity both ways; if you only talk about the complexity of = converting to and from wire format, they've left out the complexity of = defining and validating the presentation format, probably on the theory = that it's no problem if it doesn't come out right in some edge = case.

"It's no = problem if it doesn't come out right in some edge case" is a classic = source of zero days vulns.   :)

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OTOH, the version first version of the draft (still an > individual submission) used the 'binary' format (as in RDNSS) and > then we receive several negative reviews on this topic: wasting > space (as there is no compression when there is a single FQDN) and > more complex for the sender/receiver. Out of curiosity, can you show a reference (e.g. a URL for an archived email message) of such reviews? As I responded earlier, these two points don't make sense to me - I wonder what was the background rationale of this argument. -- JINMEI, Tatuya From nobody Fri Oct 13 15:09:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBC134220; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rSv9dwxjQY_Z; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client 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charset=utf-8 Xiaohu, This document should refer to the new versions of the IPv6 and IPv6 PMTU = RFCs specifications (RFC8200 and RFC8201). Please check if you need to = change any text in your draft to be consistent with these. Thanks, Bob > On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I just submitted a revision = (https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05). Any = further comments and suggestions are welcome. >=20 > BTW, it said in Google's Espresso paper = (http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd= =3D4&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0ahUKEwib0cntgfnWAhVHso8KHWF2BmQQFghAMAM&url= =3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.cs.princeton.edu%2Fcourses%2Farchive%2Ffall17%2Fcos561= %2Fpapers%2Fespresso17.pdf&usg=3DAOvVaw2SgiqQ-ahnvRnEN_QYlxrZ) that = "...We use a range of addresses for the encap IP header for sufficient = hashing entropy as switches in the aggregation layer cannot look beyond = the outer IP header for hashing..." Note that IP-in-GRE and MPLS-in-GRE = encapsulations are currently used for incoming and outgoing traffic in = Google's Espresso respectively according to the above paper. I believe = that IP-in-UDP = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05) and = MPLS-in-UDP [RFC7510] should be better choices than IP-in-GRE and = MPLS-in-GRE respectively once the former could be supported by major = chip and network vendors. Fortunately, MPLS-in-UDP has already been = supported by major chip and network vendors since its corresponding IETF = standard was published. I believe the same thing would happen on = IP-in-UDP :) >=20 > Best regards, > Xiaohu >=20 >> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5= 9:06 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Hamid Assarpour; Yiu Lee; Xuxiaohu; Fan = Yongbing; Yiu Lee; Yongbing >> Fan; Shaowen Ma >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt has been = successfully >> submitted by Xiaohu Xu and posted to the IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp >> Revision: 05 >> Title: Encapsulating IP in UDP >> Document date: 2017-10-17 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 11 >> URL: >> = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt >> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp/ >> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05 >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05 >> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Existing IP-in-IP encapsulation technologies are not adequate for >> efficient load balancing of IP-in-IP traffic across IP networks. >> This document specifies additional IP-in-IP encapsulation = technology, >> referred to as IP-in-UDP (User Datagram Protocol), which can >> facilitate the load balancing of IP-in-IP traffic across IP = networks. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area --Apple-Mail=_87166501-AF05-4AD0-A4DB-50129FC57823 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] FWD: New Version Notification for draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:50:23 -0000 On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi all, > > I just submitted a revision (https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xu= -intarea-ip-in-udp-05). Any further comments and suggestions are welcome. > > BTW, it said in Google's Espresso paper (http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa= =3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D4&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0ah= UKEwib0cntgfnWAhVHso8KHWF2BmQQFghAMAM&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.cs.princeton.e= du%2Fcourses%2Farchive%2Ffall17%2Fcos561%2Fpapers%2Fespresso17.pdf&usg=3DAO= vVaw2SgiqQ-ahnvRnEN_QYlxrZ) that "...We use a range of addresses for the en= cap IP header for sufficient hashing entropy as switches in the aggregation= layer cannot look beyond the outer IP header for hashing..." Note that IP-= in-GRE and MPLS-in-GRE encapsulations are currently used for incoming and o= utgoing traffic in Google's Espresso respectively according to the above pa= per. I believe that IP-in-UDP (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-intarea= -ip-in-udp-05) and MPLS-in-UDP [RFC7510] should be better choices than IP-i= n-GRE and MPLS-in-GRE respectively once the former could be supported by ma= jor chip and network vendors. Fortunately, MPLS-in-UDP has already been sup= ported by major chip and network vendors since its corresponding IETF stand= ard was published. I believe the same thing would happen on IP-in-UDP :) > There is also GRE-in-UDP RFC8086. However, the best choice is to hash over three tuple (src addr, dst addr, flow label) for IPv6-- no encapsulation overhead, works with any transport layer protocol, no need for DPI. IMO that's the support that chip and network vendors should be targeting. Tom > Best regards, > Xiaohu > >> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-d= rafts@ietf.org] >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 9:06 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Hamid Assarpour; Yiu Lee; Xuxiaohu; Fan Yon= gbing; Yiu Lee; Yongbing >> Fan; Shaowen Ma >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-= udp-05.txt >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt has been success= fully >> submitted by Xiaohu Xu and posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp >> Revision: 05 >> Title: Encapsulating IP in UDP >> Document date: 2017-10-17 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 11 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-udp-05.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-intarea-ip-in-= udp/ >> Htmlized: 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Note that the previous version was draft-herbert-nvo3-ila-04. Some of the changes: - Tried to make it less datacenter specific and imply broader use to include mobile networks. - More words around the fact that identifiers do not have required format, any format imposed is site local decision. - Removed references to ULA, only recommend using global addresses. - Added non-local address identifiers. This allows ILA addresses that can map any address. I think this might be useful when we implement roaming for mobile networks. - Some more acknowledgements. Thanks, Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:08 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-intarea-ila-00.txt To: Tom Herbert , Petr Lapukhov A new version of I-D, draft-herbert-intarea-ila-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Tom Herbert and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-herbert-intarea-ila Revision: 00 Title: Identifier-locator addressing for IPv6 Document date: 2017-10-19 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 46 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-herbert-intarea- ila-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-herbert-intarea-ila/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-herbert-intarea-ila-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-herbert- intarea-ila-00 Abstract: This specification describes identifier-locator addressing (ILA) for IPv6. Identifier-locator addressing differentiates between location and identity of a network node. Part of an address expresses the immutable identity of the node, and another part indicates the location of the node which can be dynamic. Identifier-locator addressing can be used to efficiently implement overlay networks for network virtualization as well as solutions for use cases in mobility. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --001a114e6da413b85c055bee90c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

We have submitted a new version = of ILA. Note that the previous version was draft-herbert-nvo3-ila-04.
=

Some of the changes:

- Tried to make it less datacenter specific and imply broader use to incl= ude mobile networks.
- More words arou= nd the fact that identifiers do not have required format, any format impose= d is site local decision.
- Removed re= ferences to ULA, only recommend using global addresses.
- Added non-local address identifiers. This allows ILA ad= dresses that can map any address. I think this might be useful when we impl= ement roaming for mobile networks.
- S= ome more acknowledgements.

<= /div>
Thanks,
Tom

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, Oct= 19, 2017 at 4:08 PM
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-herbert= -intarea-ila-00.txt
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Petr Lapukhov <petr@fb.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-herbert-intarea-ila-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tom Herbert and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-herbert-intarea-ila
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Identifier-locator addressing for = IPv6
Document date:=C2=A0 2017-10-19
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 46
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-herbert-inta= rea-ila-00.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-herbert-intarea-ila/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-herbert-intarea-ila-00
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-herbert-intarea-ila= -00


Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This specification describes identifier-locator addressing (IL= A) for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6. Identifier-locator addressing differentiates between loc= ation
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and identity of a network node. Part of an address expresses t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0immutable identity of the node, and another part indicates the=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0location of the node which can be dynamic. Identifier-locator<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0addressing can be used to efficiently implement overlay networ= ks for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0network virtualization as well as solutions for use cases in =C2=A0 =C2=A0mobility.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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--001a114e6da413b85c055bee90c1-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 17:27:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBCC1344CB; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: int-area@ietf.org, suresh@kaloom.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545845.20809.1002232070215018399.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] intarea - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:18 -0000 Dear Wassim Haddad, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. intarea Session 1 (1:30:00) Wednesday, Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 Room Name: Collyer size: 250 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Internet Area Working Group Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Wassim Haddad Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: t2trg lisp saag dhc 6lo v6ops 6man 6tisch lpwan Second Priority: softwire sunset4 tsvwg dnsop netconf nfvrg People who must be present: Wassim Haddad Suresh Krishnan Juan Carlos Zuniga Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Oct 24 08:37:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24698138BE7; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sOUCOjMmAu9k; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [141.82.217.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3F1D139101; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3131D608E; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oq2V0R9RF9VM; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.147] (nightswatch.informatik.hs-augsburg.de [141.82.79.79]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E7451D605D; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:38 +0200 (CEST) To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "iot-dir@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider.all@ietf.org" , "int-area@ietf.org" References: <1301971C-29C9-4279-8523-FF5CC8617875@cisco.com> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <773f8ab2-3e22-67cb-7569-d856a7b1b67e@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1301971C-29C9-4279-8523-FF5CC8617875@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] IoT-dir early review of draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:37:04 -0000 Hi, thanks for the review and sorry for the belated reply. Please see comments inline. Am 26.09.17 um 00:57 schrieb Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing): > Reviewer: Nancy Cam-Winget > > Review result: On the right track > > *General Comments* > > There are actual distinctions that need to be made from a general > privacy/security > > and considerations of using broadcast vs. multicast.  Whereas multicast has > > the means by which multicast groups can be managed and thus authentication > > and authorization of group membership to a multicast group can be handled, > > broadcast does not.  As such, the privacy considerations, while sharing > a lot > > of commonality between multicast vs. broadcast, hold differences > > that need to be called out. The document focusses on cases where multicast is used in an unmanaged fashion, i.e. there is no authentication and authorization in place that can readily be used, see section 1.1 of the document. A tightly managed environment where authentication and authorization in place is not the target scenario. And most apps cannot really rely on something like this and use e.g. the all nodes addesses, broadcast or the local network control block. > > *Technical comments:* > > _Introduction:_ > >   The 2 respects called out need to be better clarified: > >    For (a):  messages can be protected especially  in a multicast group > and keys > >             can be managed with membership changes, whereas broadcast > is more > >            difficult to manage. > >    For (b): why is encryption more difficult??  Broadcast/multicast > messages today > >            are being encrypted, but are subject to full viewership by > the key holders > >            (e.g. members of the broadcast or multicast domain for the > duration of that key) > >    The last paragraph is of concern as its intent is not clear. I > believe it is trying to state > > that the draft is needed as RFC6973 focuses on the general privacy but > more care is > > needed for broadcast and multicast. If that’s the case, suggest to > reduce paragraph > > to a sentence or 2 to just highlight that point. There is that, but there is a real concern that protocols developed outside the IETF which we see on networks today pose a risk to privacy. We wanted to make clear that this document is addressing people outside the IETF. We can reduce some text about that but I do not understand why that text is a concern. I would suggest to make a separate paragraph out of it, separating it from the reference to RFC6973. Would that work? > > _Section 2.1_ > > *“Frequent bcast/mcast traffic caused by an application…”* > > I think you mean the continuous use and the patterns it draws can define > > a behavioral pattern….I don’t believe the literal “frequent” lends itself to > > improving accuracy, but rather the temporal length of time in observing > > such a pattern can improve on the fidelity of the behavioral pattern > observed. I guess most accurate would be frequency and duration. > > In general, making the periodicity of the message use unpredictable is what > > can help.  Otherwise, a better rationale or guidance on what > “conservative” in > > “the frequency SHOULD be chosen conservatively” is needed. > > _Section 2.2_ > > *“true in case the IP and/or MAC address changes*” > > I think you mean DOES NOT change.  Also, these track devices not users. No, it really means "in case it is changing". There is work ongoing to implement MAC address or IP address randomization. But if a broadcast/multicast protocol is using persistent identifiers, then a passive observer can deduce that the MAC address has changed, because the application layer identifier is still the same. In other words, this might actually break the efforts on lower layers. > > I would actually disagree that “frequent rotations of IDs” (in general) make > > user tracking more difficult.  This section needs to improve the > qualifications > > and conditions for when and how it can make tracking more difficult. > > While I do not entirely agree with rotation as a solution, I can see SOME > > instances in which it can slow down the tracking but not completely > obfuscate > > behavior that can be used to deduce identity (of a device, or user). > > I am also puzzled as to how this is unique to broadcast/multicast messages? Could you give an example where this does not work, then we can address your concern. This is unique to broadcast/multicast, because a passive obserser sees this. In unicast traffic you need to be on-path to observe this, which is a special requirement and much harder to achieve (when you are on-path many more things are possible anyway). > > _Section 2.4_ > > Need to capitalize the ‘should’ in the last paragraph as the intent is > to provide > > that as a recommended consideration. I would disagree. Awareness is a recommendation that you cannot really enforce. > > _Section 2.5_ > > What is a “safe” environment?  The first paragraph needs to be clear on > > intent and definition of what is “safe”. The following paragraphs do not suffice as examples? > > This section will need to elaborate on the applications developed and where > > they sit in the networking layer…..application layer apps may want to use > > established ports and addresses that may need to be configured at a lower > > layer of the network stack.  How would this be achieved? Since the document addresses application developers, the probelmatic bits are in the application layer really. > > I percieve the goals of this section to be: > > - provide guidance to enable devices to have a configurable means of > > what networks (and applications?) it can trust and thus allow to run > > - provide guidance to developers to be aware of privacy leakage and allow > > for configuration but at which layer? > > ….but its not quite clear… It should make the developer aware, that existing applications have means to make the privacy thread less pronounced. Binding the feature to a particular network, allowing the user to switch it off etc. are some of the things a developer should make possible. > > _Section 3_ > > Would agree that it is difficult to change “human” behavior…. > > however, I do not understand the purpose or intent of this section as I > see no guidance, > > consideration or recommendation. Well, the IETF cannot recommend things to OS vendors, regular users etc. and add a SHOULD or even a MUST. That does not make sense, but in order to be complete, that section mentions that there are operational means to alleviate the privacy problems. The section is really for completeness sake. > > _Section 4_ > > There are bcast/mcast protocols that may not need DNS, is the intent of > > the first recommendation meant to state that protocols that offer privacy > > considerations like mDNS SHOULD (or perhaps MUST) be used?  Or are you > > referring to the techniques used in mDNS to enable privacy considerations? It really means that the protocols should be used. I cannot quite read it any other way. > > “*a broadcast/multicast protocol and cannot use an IETF-specified protocol*” > > IETF protocols are starting to be conscious of privacy, do you mean > > protocols that do not offer privacy considerations? No, if e.g. IETF-specified protocols do not offer needed functionality and one has to implement a new proprietary protocol. > > “*(e.g. based on the SSID)”* > > As requested in Section 2.5, a better definition of “safe” is required as > > applications may not map to an SSID (applications may also run on > different PHYs). This is only to be seen as one example as the e.g. indicates. > > _Other considerations_ > > This section speaks mainly to performance issues which (1) doesn’t apply > to privacy > > and (2) the descriptions are limited with no salient consideration > applicable to the focus > > of this draft; I suggest it be removed. We can, this was also just for completeness sake. > > _Section 8_ > > What is the intent of the 2nd paragraph?  RFC 5374 described a framework > that is suited > > to protect some broadcast/multicast which this paragraph notes, but what > is its purpose? > > Is the intent to say these mechanisms can help with privacy and if so how?__ > It's purpose is what you basically asked at the very beginning of your review, you can protect multicast but that is not a generally applicable thing. > *Nits:* > > _Introduction:_ > > *“Also application* > > *   developers use broadcast/multicast messages to implement things like* > > *   local service or peer discovery and it appears that an increasing* > > *   number of applications make use of it as suggested by experimental* > > *   results obtained on campus networks including the IETF meeting* > > *   network [TRAC2016].  That is not entirely surprising.”* > > [ncw] This reads awkwardly.  Suggest breaking it to something like: > > “Also, application developers use broadcast/multicast messages to implement > > local services.  As suggested by the experimental results documented in “How > > broadcast data reveals your identity and social graph [trac2016], it is not > > surprising to see the increasing trend of using these messages.” > > *“   Given the above, privacy protection for protocols based on broadcast* > > *   or multicast communication is significantly more difficult compared* > > *   to unicast communication and at the same time invading the privacy is* > > *   much easier.”* > > [ncw] Do you mean privacy is even more difficult to achieve than general > > data confidentiality and integrity?? > > Inconsistent references? “….or RFC 7919  [RFC7819])” > > _Section 2.2_ > > Is there an extraneous “e.g.” in “*These IDs, which e.g. identify*”? > > also as its the first instance of ID, call it out as “Identifiers (ID)” > The e.g. is needed because there might be other uses for those IDs. Thanks, Rolf From nobody Tue Oct 24 08:41:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDFE13F6CF; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F_yKDq-4uk0j; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [141.82.217.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35F3213F6B0; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE961D608E; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:41:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id pVOBtzwXw5zG; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:41:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.147] (nightswatch.informatik.hs-augsburg.de [141.82.79.79]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAA971D605D; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:41:32 +0200 (CEST) To: Carlos Bernardos , int-dir@ietf.org Cc: int-area@ietf.org, draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org References: <150623836210.5031.17716199391295946656@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:41:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150623836210.5031.17716199391295946656@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-04 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:41:46 -0000 Carlos, thanks for the review and sorry for the belated reply. Please inline: Am 24.09.17 um 09:32 schrieb Carlos Bernardos: > Reviewer: Carlos Bernardos > Review result: Ready with Nits > > The document is well written and clear to follow. I have not found any major > issue. I have some recommendations/questions for the authors: > > * Page 3: RFC 7919 --> RFC 7819 Nice catch. > > * It would be good to have a section (maybe an annex) in which authors describe > the differences (if any) found in the experiments performed with IPv4 vs IPv6. > Since IPv6 does not do broadcast, there may be important differences to > highlight. > We only had v4 networks at the time under observation. While v6 does not broadcast, it has the all nodes multicast address. I kind of fear to ask the IETF again to do the experiment on the v6 meeting network as, as you might remember, it was somewhat controversial :) > * While I understand that the authors do not provide details about the apps > analyzed, it would be good to include more information for example about the > distribution of the frequency of broadcast/multicast messages found in the > experiments. We mention multiple messages per minute. The highest frequency we observed was about 8 per minute for a given (popular) app. > And it would also be nice (though I don't know if this would be > feasible) to provide some recommended values for the frequencies to use (an app > developer could benefit from some additional guidelines). Impossible :) > > * Page 5: "In that respect broadcast can be [...]" --> "In that respect, > multicast can be [...]" or "In that respect, broadcast/multicast can be [...]". > Note that the examples used are IPv6, so "broadcast" alone would not apply. > Nice catch, thanks. Best, Rolf From nobody Wed Oct 25 01:50:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C0913B098; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 01:50:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: int-area@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150892142002.4882.9180016906650399780@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 01:50:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05.txt X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:50:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Privacy considerations for IP broadcast and multicast protocol designers Authors : Rolf Winter Michael Faath Fabian Weisshaar Filename : draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-10-25 Abstract: A number of application-layer protocols make use of IP broadcasts or multicast messages for functions like local service discovery or name resolution. Some of these functions can only be implemented efficiently using such mechanisms. When using broadcasts or multicast messages, a passive observer in the same broadcast/ multicast domain can trivially record these messages and analyze their content. Therefore, broadcast/multicast protocol designers need to take special care when designing their protocols. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Oct 25 01:59:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0277413AF23 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 01:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJerQUUGLAm8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 01:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [IPv6:2001:638:102:2::217:48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496F5139680 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 01:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC90D1D605F for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:59:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id T2z5p34z-FS7 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.147] (nightswatch.informatik.hs-augsburg.de [141.82.79.79]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96B0D1D6055 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:59:36 +0200 (CEST) To: "int-area@ietf.org" References: <150892142002.4882.9180016906650399780@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <72555c67-016e-4442-76fc-cf14094e9a31@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:59:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150892142002.4882.9180016906650399780@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05.txt X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:59:51 -0000 Hi, we fixed a few things that were recommended by the last reviews (Int dir and IoT dir). The Int dir comments are fully addressed as far as possible (Carlos please shout if you disagree). We disagree with a few things recommended in the IoT dir review and would need clarifications on a few points for us to incorporate final changes. Best, Rolf Am 25.10.17 um 10:50 schrieb internet-drafts@ietf.org: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group WG of the IETF. > > Title : Privacy considerations for IP broadcast and multicast protocol designers > Authors : Rolf Winter > Michael Faath > Fabian Weisshaar > Filename : draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2017-10-25 > > Abstract: > A number of application-layer protocols make use of IP broadcasts or > multicast messages for functions like local service discovery or name > resolution. Some of these functions can only be implemented > efficiently using such mechanisms. When using broadcasts or > multicast messages, a passive observer in the same broadcast/ > multicast domain can trivially record these messages and analyze > their content. Therefore, broadcast/multicast protocol designers > need to take special care when designing their protocols. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-broadcast-consider-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > From nobody Fri Oct 27 10:29:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED0E13F5A2; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:29:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jean-Michel Combes To: Cc: draft-ietf-intarea-probe.all@ietf.org, int-area@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150912536515.22228.10940363588216201270@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:29:25 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-00 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:29:25 -0000 Reviewer: Jean-Michel Combes Review result: Almost Ready Hi, I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-intarea-probe-06. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate.html. PROBE: A Utility For Probing Interfaces draft-ietf-intarea-probe-06 1. Introduction If the probed interface resides on a node that is directly connected to the probed node, PROBE reports that the interface is up if it appears in the IPv4 Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) table or the IPv6 Neighbor Cache. Otherwise, it reports that the interface does not exist. Comment: Normative references to "IPv4 Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) table" (i.e., RFC 826) and "IPv6 Neighbor Cache" (i.e., RFC 4861) are missing. 2. ICMP Extended Echo Request o L (local) - The L-bit is set of the probed interface resides on the probed node. The L-bit is clear if the probed interface is directly connected to the probed node. Typo: s/"The L-bit is set of the probed interface resides on the probed node."/"The L-bit is set if the probed interface resides on the probed node." 3. ICMP Extended Echo Reply o F (IPv4) - The F-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is running on the probed interface. Otherwise, the F-bit is clear. o S (IPv6) - The S-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv6 is running on the probed interface. Otherwise, the S-bit is clear. o E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is running on the probed interface. Otherwise, the E-bit is clear. Question: Why IPv4 must also run to have the E-bit set? Question: Why the E-bit is not set if IPv4 is not running and IPv6 is running? 4. ICMP Message Processing o Set the Code field as described Section 4.1 o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is clear, set the A-Bit. o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is set and the probed interface is active, set the A-bit. Question: Why the A-bit is not set when Code Field is equal to Multiple Interfaces Satisfy Query (3) and the L-bit is clear? Question: Same question when L-bit is set. 8. Security Considerations In order to protect local resources, implementations SHOULD rate-limit incoming ICMP Extended Echo Request messages. Comment: IMHO, the main security threat I see with this mechanism is to use it as "reflection" scanning: to discover nodes "behind" the proxy interface, without raising alarms from security probes watching the networks hosting these nodes. So, rate-limit can help to mitigate this potential threat too. 9. References 9.1. Normative References Comment: Too add normative references to "IPv4 Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) table" (i.e., RFC 826) and "IPv6 Neighbor Cache" (i.e., RFC 4861), as commented previously. Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards, JMC. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9fb974c0-4d4e-4d78-3f9d-08d51fa8c864 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Oct 2017 15:13:31.8366 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0501MB2051 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-00 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:14:23 -0000 Jean-Michele, Thanks for the thoughtful review. I will post a new version addressing your= comments today or tomorrow. Responses inline...... Ron > Subject: [Int-area] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-intarea-probe-00 > Message-ID: <150912536515.22228.10940363588216201270@ietfa.amsl.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 > Reviewer: Jean-Michel Combes > Review result: Almost Ready >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-intarea-probe-06= . > These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Are= a > Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments > just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and > resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been > received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_directorate.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc > bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3DVGSSVlquIpFROEmOdJ5fpnG3ivRSQQaY23hP8P0 > dBQs&s=3DmO2Ham-yMdBeeKDYThOOP6vfCePpUoAVnBorws9AIuU&e=3D. >=20 > PROBE: A Utility For Probing Interfaces > draft-ietf-intarea-probe-06 >=20 > >=20 > 1. Introduction >=20 > >=20 > If the probed interface resides on a node that is directly connected to t= he > probed node, PROBE reports that the interface is up if it appears in the = IPv4 > Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) table or the IPv6 Neighbor Cache. > Otherwise, it reports that the interface does not exist. >=20 > > Comment: > Normative references to "IPv4 Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) table" (i= .e., > RFC 826) and "IPv6 Neighbor Cache" (i.e., RFC 4861) are missing. >=20 > >=20 [RB ]=20 Good catch. Fixed in next version. > 2. ICMP Extended Echo Request >=20 > >=20 > o L (local) - The L-bit is set of the probed interface resides on the pr= obed > node. The L-bit is clear if the probed interface is directly connected to= the > probed node. >=20 > > Typo: > s/"The L-bit is set of the probed interface resides on the probed node."/= "The > L-bit is set if the probed interface resides on the probed node." >=20 > [RB ]=20 Another good catch. Fixed in the next version. >=20 > 3. ICMP Extended Echo Reply >=20 > >=20 > o F (IPv4) - The F-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is runni= ng on the > probed interface. Otherwise, the F-bit is clear. >=20 > o S (IPv6) - The S-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv6 is runni= ng on the > probed interface. Otherwise, the S-bit is clear. >=20 > o E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is r= unning on > the probed interface. Otherwise, the E-bit is clear. >=20 > > Question: > Why IPv4 must also run to have the E-bit set? > Question: > Why the E-bit is not set if IPv4 is not running and IPv6 is running? > [RB ]=20 This was a typo. I meant to say: 0 E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and Ethernet i= s running on the probed interface. Otherwise, the E-bit is clear. >=20 > 4. ICMP Message Processing >=20 > >=20 > o Set the Code field as described Section 4.1 >=20 > o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is clear, > set the A-Bit. >=20 > o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is set > and the probed interface is active, set the A-bit. >=20 > > Question: > Why the A-bit is not set when Code Field is equal to Multiple Interfaces > Satisfy Query (3) and the L-bit is clear? Question: Same question when L-= bit is > set. >=20 > >=20 [RB ] Error code 3 (Multiple Interfaces Satisfy Query) means that they query is a= mbiguous. Or, on other words, that two or more interfaces satisfy the match= conditions specified by the query. So, we can't set the A, F, S or E bits = because we don't know which interface the user is asking about. > 8. Security Considerations >=20 > >=20 > In order to protect local resources, implementations SHOULD rate-limit > incoming ICMP Extended Echo Request messages. >=20 > > Comment: > IMHO, the main security threat I see with this mechanism is to use it as > "reflection" scanning: to discover nodes "behind" the proxy interface, > without raising alarms from security probes watching the networks hosting > these nodes. > So, rate-limit can help to mitigate this potential threat too. [RB ]=20 Yes, this does slow down the scanning attack. But it doesn't really mitigat= e it. The savvy attacker will scan slowly. Thanks again for the thorough review. Ron >=20 > 9. References >=20 > 9.1. Normative References >=20 > >=20 > > Comment: > Too add normative references to "IPv4 Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) > table" > (i.e., RFC 826) and "IPv6 Neighbor Cache" (i.e., RFC 4861), as commented > previously. >=20 > >=20 > Thanks in advance for your replies. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > JMC. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Subject: Digest Footer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_int- > 2Darea&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3DVGSSVlquIpFROEmOdJ5fpnG3ivRSQQaY23hP8P0 > dBQs&s=3DY0X9xlzWjiF5Nk7ImagKKmupi29NSBXKlHFhrzO7dYc&e=3D >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > End of Int-area Digest, Vol 146, Issue 28 > ***************************************** From nobody Mon Oct 30 08:18:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB5613FA64; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: int-area@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150937670193.3409.2037126694284740017@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:18:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07.txt X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:18:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : PROBE: A Utility For Probing Interfaces Authors : Ron Bonica Reji Thomas Jen Linkova Chris Lenart Mohamed Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: This document describes a network diagnostic tool called PROBE. PROBE is similar to PING, in that it can be used to test the status of a probed interface. It differs from PING in that it does not require bidirectional connectivity between the probing and probed interfaces. Alternatively, PROBE requires bidirectional connectivity between the probing interface and a proxy interface. The proxy interface can reside on the same node as the probed interface or it can reside on a node to which the probed interface is directly connected. This document updates RFC 4884. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-probe/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-probe-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 30 15:45:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53FC3B7; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: int-area@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150940350001.28396.4377316424865008629@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:45:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-00.txt X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:45:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data Authors : Pierre Pfister Eric Vyncke Tommy Pauly David Schinazi Marcus Keane Filename : draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-00.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: An increasing number of hosts and networks are connected to the Internet through multiple interfaces, some of which may provide multiple ways to access the internet by means of multiple IPv6 prefix configurations. This document describes a way for hosts to retrieve additional information about their network access characteristics. The set of configuration items required to access the Internet is called a Provisioning Domain (PvD). The PvD is identified by a Fully Qualified Domain Name (FQDN). This identifier, retrieved using a new Router Advertisement (RA) option, is associated with the set of information included within the RA and may later be used to retrieve additional information associated with the PvD by way of an HTTP- over-TLS request. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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I will post a new version addressing > your comments today or tomorrow. > > Responses inline...... > > Ron > > > > > > > 3. ICMP Extended Echo Reply > > > > > > > > o F (IPv4) - The F-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is > running on the > > probed interface. Otherwise, the F-bit is clear. > > > > o S (IPv6) - The S-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv6 is > running on the > > probed interface. Otherwise, the S-bit is clear. > > > > o E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 is > running on > > the probed interface. Otherwise, the E-bit is clear. > > > > > > Question: > > Why IPv4 must also run to have the E-bit set? > > Question: > > Why the E-bit is not set if IPv4 is not running and IPv6 is running? > > > [RB ] > > This was a typo. I meant to say: > > 0 E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and Ethernet > is running on the probed interface. Otherwise, the E-bit is clear. > OK. > > > > > > 4. ICMP Message Processing > > > > > > > > o Set the Code field as described Section 4.1 > > > > o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is clear, > > set the A-Bit. > > > > o If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and the L-bit is set > > and the probed interface is active, set the A-bit. > > > > > > Question: > > Why the A-bit is not set when Code Field is equal to Multiple Interfaces > > Satisfy Query (3) and the L-bit is clear? Question: Same question when > L-bit is > > set. > > > > > > > [RB ] > > Error code 3 (Multiple Interfaces Satisfy Query) means that they query is > ambiguous. Or, on other words, that two or more interfaces satisfy the > match conditions specified by the query. So, we can't set the A, F, S or E > bits because we don't know which interface the user is asking about. > But, even if this is ambiguous, IMHO, all the interfaces are active => A-bit should be set And Error Code 3 returned to probing interface raises this is ambiguous. Now, I am OK that F, S and E should be cleared to avoid any confusion between the different interfaces. Did I miss something? Best regards, JMC. --089e0826b4a46a8fd2055cd4dbd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ron,

2017-10-30 16:13 GMT+01:00 Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>:
Jea= n-Michele,

Thanks for the thoughtful review. I will post a new version addressing your= comments today or tomorrow.

Responses inline......

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ron

<snip>

>
> 3.=C2=A0 ICMP Extended Echo Reply
>
> <snip>
>
> o=C2=A0 F (IPv4) - The F-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv4 = is running on the
> probed interface.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the F-bit is clear.
>
> o=C2=A0 S (IPv6) - The S-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and IPv6 = is running on the
> probed interface.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the S-bit is clear.
>
> o=C2=A0 E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and I= Pv4 is running on
> the probed interface.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the E-bit is clear.
>
> <JMC>
> Question:
> Why IPv4 must also run to have the E-bit set?
> Question:
> Why the E-bit is not set if IPv4 is not running and IPv6 is running? > </JMC>
[RB ]

This was a typo. I meant to say:

=C2=A0 0 E (Ethernet) - The E-bit is set if the A-bit is also set and Ether= net is running on the probed interface.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the E-bit is clear= .

<JMC>
OK.
</JMC>
=C2=A0


>
> 4.=C2=A0 ICMP Message Processing
>
> <snip>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Set the Code field as described Section 4.1
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and th= e L-bit is clear,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0set the A-Bit.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 If the Code Field is equal to No Error (0) and th= e L-bit is set
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and the probed interface is active, set the = A-bit.
>
> <JMC>
> Question:
> Why the A-bit is not set when Code Field is equal to Multiple Interfac= es
> Satisfy Query (3) and the L-bit is clear? Question: Same question when= L-bit is
> set. </JMC>
>
> <snip>
>
[RB ]

Error code 3 (Multiple Interfaces Satisfy Query) means that they query is a= mbiguous. Or, on other words, that two or more interfaces satisfy the match= conditions specified by the query. So, we can't set the A, F, S or E b= its because we don't know which interface the user is asking about.
=

<JMC>
But, even = if this is ambiguous, IMHO, all the interfaces are active =3D> A-bit sho= uld be set
And Error Code 3 returned to probing interface rai= ses this is ambiguous.
Now, I am OK that F, S and E should be cleared to= avoid any confusion between the different interfaces.

Did I miss something?
</JMC>

<snip>

Be= st regards,

JMC.
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