From nobody Mon Jan 17 08:54:34 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7A93A1440 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 08:54:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Carlos Bernardos via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bevolz@gmail.com, cjbc@it.uc3m.es, Carlos Bernardos Message-ID: <164243847181.25477.16834221886281334388@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 08:54:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Open review assignments in intdir X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:54:33 -0000 Hi all, The following reviewers have assignments: For telechat 2022-01-20 Reviewer LC end Draft Benno Overeinder 2021-12-13 draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 Basavaraj Patil 2021-12-17 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-19 Last calls: Reviewer LC end Draft Suresh Krishnan 2021-11-26 draft-ietf-httpbis-http2bis-06 Suresh Krishnan 2021-09-07 draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-16 Ted Lemon 2022-01-24 draft-ietf-dots-telemetry-19 Benno Overeinder 2021-12-13 draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 Basavaraj Patil 2021-12-17 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-19 Next in the reviewer rotation: Tommy Pauly Charles Perkins Carlos Pignataro Dave Thaler Pascal Thubert Bernie Volz Ralf Weber Timothy Winters Suzanne Woolf Juan-Carlos Zúñiga As a helpful reference for reviewers, please check the Directorates Guidelines available at: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki/DirectoratesGuidelines Reviews must include the following boilerplate text in the comments sent: "I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for . 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I have the following DISCUSS/ABSTAIN level issues: The following are other issues I found with this document that SHOULD be corrected before publication: The following are minor issues (typos, misspelling, minor text improvements) with the document: -8-<- END TEMPLATE -8-<- From nobody Thu Jan 20 08:31:50 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4EC3A1812; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tommy Pauly via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-extension.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164269629720.6538.7760538444195255480@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Tommy Pauly Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 08:31:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir telechat review of draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-extension-05 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:31:38 -0000 Reviewer: Tommy Pauly Review result: Ready with Issues Thanks for writing this concise and clear document. The addition of TLV extensions seems useful. I don't see any major issues, but there are a few minor ones. Like the genart reviewer, I believe this "should" ought to be normative: "When this extension mechanism is used, the number of Group Records in each Report message should be kept small enough that the entire message, including any extension TLVs can fit within the network MTU." In Section 4, I suggest rewording this and fixing capitalization: "To check this, one will need to walk through each of The TLVs until there are less than four octets left in the IP payload." to: "To check this, the parser needs to walk through each of the TLVs until there are less than four octets left in the IP payload." In Section 5, I suggest rewording this: "IGMP and MLD implementations, host implementations in particular, rarely change, and it is expected to take a long time for them to support this extension mechanism." to: "IGMP and MLD implementations (particularly implementations on hosts) rarely change, and the adoption process of this extension mechanism is expected to be slow." I also suggest that you consider giving guidance for preventing this new extension point from ossifying, given the slow rate of change. Please see the discussion in RFC 9170. For example, if you cannot guarantee active use and change, you may want to suggest synthetic use of the extension point ("greasing" by endpoints sending unknown type values every now and then to make sure receivers correctly handle unknown types). From nobody Fri Jan 21 10:46:48 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B2D3A096B; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:46:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benno Overeinder via Datatracker To: Cc: anima@ietf.org, draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164279080669.27747.13752865206703508319@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Benno Overeinder Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:46:46 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir telechat review of draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:46:47 -0000 Reviewer: Benno Overeinder Review result: Ready with Nits Intdir Review draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/. The document is intended as a document with an "Informational" status and proposes guidelines for the design of Autonomic Service Agents for autonomous networks. It is complementary to the documents describing the Autonomous Network Infrastructure described in RFC 8993 (and other related RFCs 8990 and 8994). The guidelines assist in the design and implementation of ASAs by describing the life cycle and behaviour (methods) in the different phases required to work correctly in the ANI. Overall, I find the document well written and understandable. It seems very thorough and well structured. And while the document references related RFCs and provides further information, it is perfectly legible as a standalone document. The document discusses functions to be implemented or be in place, but sometimes also discusses detailed implementation suggestions such as (increasing) multiple threads, queues, and locks. In this perspective, it is not only about guidelines in the design of ASA, but also about the implementation. These lower level implementation guidelines only appear in some places and do not interfere with the focus or understanding of the document. Small nit, the following sentence is not entirely clear to me (Section 5, last paragraph): It is expected that the value field of many objectives will be extended in service, to add additional information. The robustness principle (Section 8) is important for building trust in autonomous systems. Together with Section 9, Security Considerations, these are not afterthoughts, but essential sections on requirements and considerations for the design of ASAs. Perhaps the authors could also mention (reference) this earlier in the document, e.g. in the Introduction section. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 23:01:30 -0000 Hi Tommy Appreciate the review, I posted revision 06 now. I fixed the capitalization of SHOULD, and I made the two editorial changes you suggested. They do indeed look better. I read RFC 9170 and found it interesting. I do see the issue with ossification. It is something we should think about for our protocols in general, but I don't think we should add it at this point. It requires some thought and discussion in the working group, I would rather leave that for later, perhaps considering this for multicast protocols such as pim, igmp and mld in general. Thanks, Stig On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:31 AM Tommy Pauly via Datatracker wrote: > > Reviewer: Tommy Pauly > Review result: Ready with Issues > > Thanks for writing this concise and clear document. The addition of TLV > extensions seems useful. > > I don't see any major issues, but there are a few minor ones. > > Like the genart reviewer, I believe this "should" ought to be normative: > > "When this extension mechanism is used, the number of Group Records in each > Report message should be kept small enough that the entire message, including > any extension TLVs can fit within the network MTU." > > In Section 4, I suggest rewording this and fixing capitalization: > > "To check this, one will need to walk through each of The TLVs until there are > less than four octets left in the IP payload." > > to: > > "To check this, the parser needs to walk through each of the TLVs until there > are less than four octets left in the IP payload." > > In Section 5, I suggest rewording this: > > "IGMP and MLD implementations, host implementations in particular, rarely > change, and it is expected to take a long time for them to support this > extension mechanism." > > to: > > "IGMP and MLD implementations (particularly implementations on hosts) rarely > change, and the adoption process of this extension mechanism is expected to be > slow." > > I also suggest that you consider giving guidance for preventing this new > extension point from ossifying, given the slow rate of change. Please see the > discussion in RFC 9170. For example, if you cannot guarantee active use and > change, you may want to suggest synthetic use of the extension point > ("greasing" by endpoints sending unknown type values every now and then to make > sure receivers correctly handle unknown types). > > > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From nobody Sat Jan 22 14:29:11 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184F93A15EB; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:29:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYTa8zs-q00r; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x533.google.com (mail-pg1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8FE3A1355; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x533.google.com with SMTP id i8so11362478pgt.13; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PeVexRc6t0d0bH+Y5fp+XOPrEpGiP/3Dq35dgiGlZm8=; b=Oh2HxPOOHZB8+RteFq3pqE8/B++LIef3Yjv9wmLnEFE3W4uSPmlV6qtu2gglI7gQdz ad7rJIxZvBvZmPnOR0cazQeHPVRHfuO4atiiRrtwksm+DnCZSSprmUEN4roGbWDVQcvV 3bLbodJJzHnBFXdJl9NJSOIZxQvgOFAHisLu20mv+OoDhQsMA+Npu+sTCbAtSoByebkQ ey/yRXK3y6F1YoPQWi05L3cc4To6y9v+rRTqYmJJei121Pc+NFGqPmsr1lpFszqvjh+r XZfeG1GR9L9932NmlkKwgxLZ6VQ/UwnqVDCYnBZ4qtVsazlHu6jdmLa4jw/nsABeJc5h iY+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PeVexRc6t0d0bH+Y5fp+XOPrEpGiP/3Dq35dgiGlZm8=; b=IRddeLb5dVyQ0NeA8ZZA9PzeIhpfMkfWyUvnoNSgZwNEGJDFnky7mDcbus5QrmrHrK 54yrY31tqqgFcuYlxMoo7Cuo06COxMLAokpLMt6GN2Omd7P/x2B+Sm5H7tE84hryXZ7X rs+UsjhKK3ekpMU0//OBn/EltlYHeU6C/mbcknPlUbb1PpCnyy5cV5L7LsRh2hNCX7ar hf6bkoHx9O6uO8uNI9KpAJVYC9vx/xIYcvwmtdt/oSwZMO2wpjD3U6q6YPFIj173Dt7g gpQHCBSi6z9R942pa8hJpxfXrG2ISxouLYWr8OEH8XGmIlMdHiYXB6fQ0qNwYsm8J+x8 wthw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533JdkT9SPPDJY80CmuJPKBp0S6pXp3VCmW/NIXte+rymfMp9BiD F92LjPLQfckD8FUU1WSYRc6RLvw6Ta+DIQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx25b5l5p3AIOUvXjjqx6SbPh9rTfk6TNIiLoHjhlSMIx5REkAHmCWzoGfhS7G+XbY9ajZzbA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:7c03:: with SMTP id x3mr7034309pgc.433.1642890538242; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431? ([2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m18sm15573136pjq.25.2022.01.22.14.28.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) To: Benno Overeinder , int-dir@ietf.org Cc: anima@ietf.org, draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org References: <164279080669.27747.13752865206703508319@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <173bca29-2c69-7fb1-add5-6da21369d804@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:28:51 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <164279080669.27747.13752865206703508319@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-dir] Intdir telechat review of draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 22:29:01 -0000 Thanks Benno, we'll pick up these points in the next version. Regards Brian Carpenter On 22-Jan-22 07:46, Benno Overeinder via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Benno Overeinder > Review result: Ready with Nits > > Intdir Review draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05 > > I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for > draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines-05. These comments were written > primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document > editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would > treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along > with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more > details on the INT Directorate, see > https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/. > > The document is intended as a document with an "Informational" status > and proposes guidelines for the design of Autonomic Service Agents for > autonomous networks. It is complementary to the documents describing > the Autonomous Network Infrastructure described in RFC 8993 (and other > related RFCs 8990 and 8994). The guidelines assist in the design and > implementation of ASAs by describing the life cycle and behaviour > (methods) in the different phases required to work correctly in the ANI. > > Overall, I find the document well written and understandable. It seems > very thorough and well structured. And while the document references > related RFCs and provides further information, it is perfectly legible > as a standalone document. > > The document discusses functions to be implemented or be in place, but > sometimes also discusses detailed implementation suggestions such as > (increasing) multiple threads, queues, and locks. In this perspective, > it is not only about guidelines in the design of ASA, but also about the > implementation. These lower level implementation guidelines only appear > in some places and do not interfere with the focus or understanding of > the document. > > Small nit, the following sentence is not entirely clear to me (Section > 5, last paragraph): It is expected that the value field of many > objectives will be extended in service, to add additional information. > > The robustness principle (Section 8) is important for building trust in > autonomous systems. Together with Section 9, Security Considerations, > these are not afterthoughts, but essential sections on requirements and > considerations for the design of ASAs. Perhaps the authors could also > mention (reference) this earlier in the document, e.g. in the > Introduction section. > > > > From nobody Sun Jan 23 14:41:46 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2003A2D6B; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ted Lemon via Datatracker To: Cc: dots@ietf.org, draft-ietf-dots-telemetry.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164297769741.21935.5814690155836157029@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Ted Lemon Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:41:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-dots-telemetry-19 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:41:38 -0000 Reviewer: Ted Lemon Review result: Ready with Nits I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-dots-telemetry. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ . I do not see any issues in this document that would suggest that the INT Area directors should object to it. The document appears to be a combination of three things: a description of the context in which what is specified would be useful; a collection of advice about operational considerations when using what is specified; and finally the actual specification. To the best of my ability to evaluate it, it seems to be complete, and it should be possible to use it as a basis for an implementation. Although I would prefer to see this document published as three separate documents, each addressing one of the aforementioned topics, I don't think that's a reasonable request to make during last call. As such, I'm going to say that the document is ready to publish as is. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:14:03 -0000 --_000_CO1PR11MB48814D620EF4BB6C4BD6FBF8D85E9CO1PR11MB4881namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all : We have specs completing WGLC, and our A-D (Eric) suggested that we look fo= r shepherds outside of the traditional closed group of local WG chairs. Can= didate (future) WG chairs would be especially welcome as part of their ramp= up. The next rolling out will be draft-ietf-lpwan-schc-compound-ack-02 Would you guys have suggestions? Keep safe; Pascal --_000_CO1PR11MB48814D620EF4BB6C4BD6FBF8D85E9CO1PR11MB4881namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all :

 

We have specs completing WGLC, and our A-D (Eric) suggested = that we look for shepherds outside of the traditional closed group of local= WG chairs. Candidate (future) WG chairs would be especially welcome as part of their ramp up.

 

The next rolling out will be draft-ietf-lpwan-schc-compound-ack-02

 

Would you guys have suggestions?

 

Keep safe;

 

Pascal

--_000_CO1PR11MB48814D620EF4BB6C4BD6FBF8D85E9CO1PR11MB4881namp_-- From nobody Mon Jan 24 13:03:51 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27A3A0D0E for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:03:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Carlos Bernardos via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bevolz@gmail.com, cjbc@it.uc3m.es, Carlos Bernardos Message-ID: <164305822883.17853.10550973005122749870@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:03:49 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Open review assignments in intdir X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:03:50 -0000 Hi all, The following reviewers have assignments: For telechat 2022-02-03 Reviewer LC end Draft David Lamparter 2021-12-29 draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13 Charles Perkins 2021-12-24 draft-ietf-quic-datagram-08 Last calls: Reviewer LC end Draft Suresh Krishnan 2021-11-26 draft-ietf-httpbis-http2bis-06 David Lamparter 2021-12-29 draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13 Basavaraj Patil 2021-12-17 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-21 Charles Perkins 2021-12-24 draft-ietf-quic-datagram-08 Early review requests: Reviewer Due Draft Dave Thaler 2022-02-11 draft-ietf-rtgwg-atn-bgp-12 Next in the reviewer rotation: Pascal Thubert Bernie Volz Ralf Weber Timothy Winters Suzanne Woolf Juan-Carlos Zúñiga Carlos Bernardos Ron Bonica Zhen Cao Tim Chown As a helpful reference for reviewers, please check the Directorates Guidelines available at: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki/DirectoratesGuidelines Reviews must include the following boilerplate text in the comments sent: "I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for . These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ ." For INT Area documents, reviewers must provide a recommendation if the document is ready to go to Last Call and therefore be forwarded to the IESG. For non-INT Area document, the reviewer must give a recommendation as to how the INT ADs are to complete the ballot on the document and the reason for that recommendation. See https://www.ietf.org/iesg/voting-procedures.html. Comments provided MUST be in the order of significance (i.e., those issues that are serious and must be fixed (i.e., DISCUSS level issues) MUST be first). 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I have the following DISCUSS/ABSTAIN level issues: The following are other issues I found with this document that SHOULD be corrected before publication: The following are minor issues (typos, misspelling, minor text improvements) with the document: -8-<- END TEMPLATE -8-<- From nobody Thu Jan 27 10:20:32 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2973A0A1F; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:20:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernie Volz via Datatracker To: Cc: babel@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164330762512.24177.752612723340018892@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Bernie Volz Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:20:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:20:25 -0000 Reviewer: Bernie Volz Review result: Ready with Nits I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/. Based on my review, the document IS ready to go to IETF Last Call and therefore can be forwarded to the IESG. The following are some nits: In Abstract and Introduction, the "updates RFC 8966" is really that it extends RFC 8966 as this adds additional capabilities ("defines extensions"). This is probably a minor nit, but someone may be looking for explicit that "fixes" issues in RFC 8966 when there is really none and an implementation that adheres to RFC 8966 can continue to function as it has before. I also know that this is an open issue within the IETF as there aren't clear tags to distinguish these kinds of changes. For section 2, I wonder whether "the fame format as the existing AE for IPv4 addresses" would benefit by calling that AE value (1) out (as is done in other places? Section 2.3 says "Prefix and seqno requests" but RFC8966 does not appear to have a "Prefix request"? I think this should be "Route"? For section 3 (last paragraph), does this imply that if the router has 127.0.0.1 assigned it can be used for ICMPv4 packets? Or is this not common for routers? For section 4.2.2, would changing the title from "Other TLVs" to just "Route Request and Seqno Request" be useful (as these are the only other TLVs). And, would a reference back to section 2.3 be useful (as use of AE value 4 is SHOULD NOT). For 6, this is usually a request to IANA to update - the RFC editor would change it to indicate the allocated value? (Minor as it could only be an issue if there were multiple documents trying to assign value 4.) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 22:36:54 -0000 Reviewer: Dave Thaler Review result: On the Right Track I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-atn-bgp-12.txt. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ . This was a requested "early review" so not surprisingly needs some additional work before being done. Technical Issues: 1) Section 3 explains that ASNs need not be coordinated with IANA since they're used in a separate BGP routing instance, but they still have to be unique within the ATN/IPS routing system. However, no explanation is provided about how to ensure such uniqueness. Who coordinates them then, to ensure that are unique? In my view, this has to be solved before the document could be used. 2) Page 13 mentions that selection of a network-based s-ASBR could be done via any of several mechanisms, but there are no references provided and it seems that those mechanisms would require a specification as interoperability would be required. 3) Top of page 14 talks about "registering" addresses, but I couldn't tell what protocol it was referring to or where such addresses would be registered. Clarify. 4) AERO and OMNI are listed as informative references but are used in text as if they are normative, not merely examples. That is, as phrased the document seems to only be useful in an AERO/OMNI context. Is it really specific to those or could other things (maybe RFC 5213 or whatever else) be used instead? If the intent is to keep them as informative references, then either they should be used only as examples or they should be moved to be normative references. Of course normative references from an IETF document to (currently) non-IETF drafts would be something that the RTGWG may want to carefully consider. Editorial comments: * Page 4 would be a lot easier to understand if there were a high level topology diagram there. * See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2017/05/draft-ietf-rtgwg-atn-bgp-12-DthalerReview.pdf for full review with above, and other editorial, comments in context. From nobody Mon Jan 31 23:27:59 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC6D3A18B7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 23:27:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Carlos Bernardos via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.44.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bevolz@gmail.com, cjbc@it.uc3m.es, Carlos Bernardos Message-ID: <164370047560.32313.15160353424033571228@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 23:27:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Open review assignments in intdir X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 07:27:57 -0000 Hi all, The following reviewers have assignments: For telechat 2022-02-03 Reviewer LC end Draft David Lamparter 2021-12-29 draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13 Charles Perkins 2021-12-24 draft-ietf-quic-datagram-08 Pascal Thubert 2021-11-29 draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-24 For telechat 2022-03-03 Reviewer LC end Draft Suresh Krishnan 2021-08-19 draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https-08 Last calls: Reviewer LC end Draft Suresh Krishnan 2021-11-26 draft-ietf-httpbis-http2bis-07 Suresh Krishnan 2021-08-19 draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https-08 David Lamparter 2021-12-29 draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13 Basavaraj Patil 2021-12-17 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-open-policy-21 Charles Perkins 2021-12-24 draft-ietf-quic-datagram-08 Pascal Thubert 2021-11-29 draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-24 Ralf Weber 2022-02-08 draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-08 Next in the reviewer rotation: Timothy Winters Suzanne Woolf Juan-Carlos Zúñiga Carlos Bernardos Ron Bonica Zhen Cao Tim Chown Jean-Michel Combes Donald Eastlake Brian Haberman As a helpful reference for reviewers, please check the Directorates Guidelines available at: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki/DirectoratesGuidelines Reviews must include the following boilerplate text in the comments sent: "I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for . These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ ." For INT Area documents, reviewers must provide a recommendation if the document is ready to go to Last Call and therefore be forwarded to the IESG. For non-INT Area document, the reviewer must give a recommendation as to how the INT ADs are to complete the ballot on the document and the reason for that recommendation. See https://www.ietf.org/iesg/voting-procedures.html. Comments provided MUST be in the order of significance (i.e., those issues that are serious and must be fixed (i.e., DISCUSS level issues) MUST be first). While comments on minor issues (typos, etc.) are welcome, they should be last. A template review response might be: -8-<- BEGIN TEMPLATE -8-<- I am an assigned INT directorate reviewer for . These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ . [INT Area documents] Based on my review, the document [IS, IS NOT] ready to go to IETF Last Call and therefore [CAN, CANNOT] be forwarded to the IESG [Non-INT Area documents] Based on my review, if I was on the IESG I would ballot this document as [YES, NO OBJECTION, DISCUSS, RETURN TO WG (ABSTAIN)]. I have the following DISCUSS/ABSTAIN level issues: The following are other issues I found with this document that SHOULD be corrected before publication: The following are minor issues (typos, misspelling, minor text improvements) with the document: -8-<- END TEMPLATE -8-<-