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Hi Russ, Robert,

I've entered this into the issue tracker as #781:
  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/781

On 2012-02-28 22:03 Robert Sparks said:
> I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.
> 
> That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when 
> preparing email, have been
> consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by 
> default, but allows us
> to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to 
> get the information across?

That should be possible, but may move the re-flowing operation from
entry to presentation, where I believe we have it now, in order to not
mess with what's entered into the database.

Can you give me some examples of where reflowing is messing things up?

If re-flowing is only applied for very long lines and on presentation,
then anything you enter with proper formatting should be left alone.
I'll check the code to see if this is the way it's being handled now.

> RjS
> 
> On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or
>> comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form
>> seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.

Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
time -- do you have an example to look at?


Best regards,

	Henrik



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Hi Amy,

I've entered this into the issue tracker as #782:
  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/782

for Ole to deal with.

Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2012-02-29 15:45 Amy Vezza said:
> Logged in as Secretariat user, I created the Telechat "Moderator's Package" by going to this url:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/moderator_package.html
> 
> It looks like it created mostly well, except for a weirdness when it pulled the ballots for each of the documents.  Each ballot has the full ballot with all ADs listed on the top, and underneath that has a second listing of all ADs that have entered a position like this:
> 
>                       Yes  No-Objection  Discuss  Abstain
> Jari Arkko           [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Ronald Bonica        [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Stewart Bryant       [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Gonzalo Camarillo    [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Ralph Droms          [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Wesley Eddy          [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Adrian Farrel        [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Stephen Farrell      [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> David Harrington     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Russ Housley         [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Pete Resnick         [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Dan Romascanu        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Peter Saint-Andre    [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Robert Sparks        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Sean Turner          [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> 
> Stewart Bryant       [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Wesley Eddy          [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Adrian Farrel        [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Stephen Farrell      [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Pete Resnick         [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Dan Romascanu        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Peter Saint-Andre    [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> Robert Sparks        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
> 
> Can we have that second listing removed?  The only time a ballot should have a second grouping of ADs like this is for former Area Directors that entered a position on the document before they stepped down, not current Area  Directors (in other words, for historical purposes).  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Amy

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Hi,

I've entered this into the tracker as ticket #783

On 2012-02-29 18:00 Cindy Morgan said:
> > We have several WG chairs who have multi-part names.  While it looks like their entire names are being displayed on the WG charter pages, the  master WG list at http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ is cutting out the middle parts of those names.
> > 
> > Some examples: 
> > 
> > "Francois Faucheur" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
> > "Francois Le Faucheur" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cdni/charter/
> > 
> > "Jamal Salim" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
> > "Jamal Hadi Salim" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/forces/charter/
> > 
> > "Gunter Velde" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
> > "Gunter Van de Velde" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/opsec/charter/
> > 
> > (There may be--and probably are--more, but these are the ones that jump out at me on first glance.  Please let me know if you need a more thorough audit.)
Thanks for noticing this.

(The following has also been added to the ticket:)

A first fix has been applied, but refinement of the names in the database will be needed.

The situation is this:

The old model treated names as if all patterns fit an anglosaxon name pattern,
which lets you split a name into a first 'first', a middle 'middle' and a
last 'last'.  This works well for some names, but not so well for others.

As an example, take Spanish names (Mexican names are slightly different,
again).  For a comprehensive description, check
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_names .

Here's a simplified take: Spanish names have given names and a surname, where
the first given name is sometimes composed by two words ('Juan Pablo') -- it's
not a first and middle name, but the first name -- and a surname, which has
two parts, composed from the father's first surname and the mother's first
surname. If the name is shortened, for daily work or when addressed by surname
alone, for instance, the _first_ surname is used -- not the last: 
  "A man named José Antonio Gómez Iglesias would normally be addressed as Señor
   Gómez instead of Señor Iglesias." (from the article).
Many people in daily (email) correspondence uses only the patronymic surname
(something I became very aware of when working with our Yaco developer, "Emilio
A. Sánchez López", who uses almost, but not quite, consistently "Emilio A.
Sánchez" for his emails).

If we try to force this into the legacy fields, it comes out wrong one way or
another -- either the double names will always be used, if both are put into
the surname field, or only one will ever be recognized, if only the patronymic
surname is entered.

The new database starts out by not assuming that it knows best how a name should
be split, instead it has one utf-8 field and one ascii field for the preferred
presentation name, another ascii filed for a shortened name, and any number of
aliases for alternative forms of the name, maybe containing titles, honorifics,
or other variations like both surnames for someone with a Spanish name who has
a preferred presentation using only the patronymic surname.  It puts name
splitting, for where it may be needed, into code, where it can be updated and
refined.

Now, there is a lot of variations in preferences here, and the conversion from
the old database was maybe a bit too simplified, with the outcome that in a
number of cases the names will have to be adjusted, so that the preferred name
is indicated, and alternative forms are entered as aliases.

There are actually quite few places in the datatracker where we *need* to split
out the friendly name, the formal address surname, etc., but there are code
to do that, which clearly also need refinement.  But as long as our usage
doesn't normally need that, we should be OK with the preferred name in utf-8
and ascii, with programmatic extraction of parts.

Ole and I have previously discussed what I mention above, and have also touched
on the possibility that name splitting code may need a hints field (e.g.,
'Spanish', 'Arabic', etc.) -- that is a refinement we can add if it turns out
that it's needed to resolve name splitting properly.

Currently (after my first fix) the code which produces the page
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/) combines first, middle and last, but it
should transition to using the preferred name, as soon as names with prefx and
suffix parts which should not normally be displayed have been modified to have
the forms with prefix/suffix as aliases, and the preferred display form entered
adjusted to work in this context.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi Russ, Robert,
> 
> I've entered this into the issue tracker as #781:
>  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/781
> 
> On 2012-02-28 22:03 Robert Sparks said:
>> I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.
>> 
>> That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when 
>> preparing email, have been
>> consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by 
>> default, but allows us
>> to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to 
>> get the information across?
> 
> That should be possible, but may move the re-flowing operation from
> entry to presentation, where I believe we have it now, in order to not
> mess with what's entered into the database.
> 
> Can you give me some examples of where reflowing is messing things up?
> 
> If re-flowing is only applied for very long lines and on presentation,
> then anything you enter with proper formatting should be left alone.
> I'll check the code to see if this is the way it's being handled now.
> 
>> RjS
>> 
>> On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or
>>> comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form
>>> seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.
> 
> Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
> time -- do you have an example to look at?

NEW: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip-lr/ballot/

OLD: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-dhcpv6-cga-ps/ballot/

Russ

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On 3/1/12 5:32 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Russ, Robert,
>
> I've entered this into the issue tracker as #781:
>    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/781
>
> On 2012-02-28 22:03 Robert Sparks said:
>> I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.
>>
>> That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when
>> preparing email, have been
>> consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by
>> default, but allows us
>> to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to
>> get the information across?
> That should be possible, but may move the re-flowing operation from
> entry to presentation, where I believe we have it now, in order to not
> mess with what's entered into the database.
>
> Can you give me some examples of where reflowing is messing things up?
>
> If re-flowing is only applied for very long lines and on presentation,
> then anything

> you enter with proper formatting should be left alone.
What do you mean by proper formatting? What formatting is improper?
I really would like to have the option to make the presentation leave 
what I've
sent alone - full stop. I would also like the option to let the 
presentation have
its way with my layout.

We have conflicting requirements. Some folks want to use tools that produce
long-line form paragraphs and want the presentation to do line breaks. Some
folks want to use tools that introduce line breaks for them. Depending 
on what
kind of discuss I'm preparing I different ones, so I get poor results 
with anything
that chooses just one behavior.

In lieu of that, maybe we could get a preview option showing what the 
presentation
code is going to do so we have a chance to work around it if we need to?

Here's an example where the current behavior and what I entered interact 
badly
for the web presentation.

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pcp-base/ballot/>

> I'll check the code to see if this is the way it's being handled now.
>
>> RjS
>>
>> On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or
>>> comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form
>>> seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.
> Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
> time -- do you have an example to look at?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
>

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Hi Adam,

On 2012-02-28 20:11 Adam Roach said:
> If you go to http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ and click on 
> the "Select working group sessions" link, the "IRTF" column contains 
> expanded research group names instead of acronyms. Attempts to select 
> any of these groups fail.

Seems to be related to #777 (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/777)
and fixed in commits [3982], [3983].


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi Robert,

On 2012-03-01 16:40 Robert Sparks said:
> 
> 
> On 3/1/12 5:32 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Russ, Robert,
>>
>> I've entered this into the issue tracker as #781:
>>    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/781
>>
>> On 2012-02-28 22:03 Robert Sparks said:
>>> I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.
>>>
>>> That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when
>>> preparing email, have been
>>> consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by
>>> default, but allows us
>>> to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to
>>> get the information across?
>> That should be possible, but may move the re-flowing operation from
>> entry to presentation, where I believe we have it now, in order to not
>> mess with what's entered into the database.
>>
>> Can you give me some examples of where reflowing is messing things up?
>>
>> If re-flowing is only applied for very long lines and on presentation,
>> then anything
> 
>> you enter with proper formatting should be left alone.
> What do you mean by proper formatting? What formatting is improper?

What I meant here with 'proper' was, I guess something incorporating
both the idea that you had taken care with the formatting, and that
it was in a form that could be used both for email and on web pages
without touching it.

> I really would like to have the option to make the presentation leave 
> what I've
> sent alone - full stop. I would also like the option to let the 
> presentation have
> its way with my layout.

Understood.  I'm trying to find out which paths are possible and workable
to achieve that.

> We have conflicting requirements. Some folks want to use tools that produce
> long-line form paragraphs and want the presentation to do line breaks. Some
> folks want to use tools that introduce line breaks for them. Depending 
> on what kind of discuss I'm preparing I different ones, so I get poor
> results with anything that chooses just one behavior.

Mmm.  Ok.  I see the problem.

To handle this, it seems like we then need either an in-channel or
out-of-channel indication of formatting type, because the two options
really can't be handled cleanly by guessing (which is what we have to
do currently).  That of course would let us support anybody's choice
of formatted plaintext, flowed plaintext, html, various wiki markups,
markdown, restructured-text, and whatnot.

> In lieu of that, maybe we could get a preview option showing what the 
> presentation code is going to do so we have a chance to work around it
> if we need to?

That should be quite easy to accomplish.

> Here's an example where the current behavior and what I entered interact 
> badly
> for the web presentation.
> 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pcp-base/ballot/>

Right.  Here you actually would have been best off with the ability to
have paragraphs handled as flowed, but the ascii-art handled as pre-
formatted text.

Ok, this increased my understanding of the problem.  I think for the
future, in order to be able to support mixed flowed/formatted text,
we need to support some kind of markup language.

Best regards,

	Henrik

>> I'll check the code to see if this is the way it's being handled now.
>>
>>> RjS
>>>
>>> On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>>> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or
>>>> comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form
>>>> seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.
>> Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
>> time -- do you have an example to look at?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
>>
> 

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On 2012-03-01 16:19 Russ Housley said:
>=20
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

=2E..

>> Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
>> time -- do you have an example to look at?
>=20
> NEW: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip-lr/ballot/=

>=20
> OLD: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-dhcpv6-cga-ps/ball=
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Ah.  I get it.  Thanks.


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2012/2/29 Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com>:
> Logged in as Secretariat user, I created the Telechat "Moderator's Packag=
e" by going to this url:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/moderator_package.html
>
> It looks like it created mostly well, except for a weirdness when it pull=
ed the ballots for each of the documents. =A0Each ballot has the full ballo=
t with all ADs listed on the top, and underneath that has a second listing =
of all ADs that have entered a position like this:

Yes. I was looking through the code, and there was a hole in the
translation layer we're using to bridge the gap between the old
database structure and the new one so it weren't detecting that the
second set was of ADs was actually active ADs.

Thanks for the report!


Ole

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Hi,

I have a question and a bug.

Question: It looks like the datatracker now magically gets the =
information when a new RFC is published.  Previously, the Secretariat =
had to do part of that manually, including changing the IESG state to =
"RFC Published."  Does this now happen automatically, or does the =
datatacker sync with the RFC Editor database at set times?  In either =
case, it looks like the Secretariat no longer needs to take action here?

(I ask because there were RFCs published yesterday that weren't updated =
in the datatracker when I looked around noon Pacific yesterday, but are =
updated now.  There are also RFCs that were published around 0800 =
Pacific today that have already been updated in the datatracker.)

Bug: In the history trails of the RFCs that were published in the last =
two days, it shows the RFC as being published on 2012-02-01, rather than =
2012-02-29 or 2012-03-01:

=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database/history=
/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-dht/history/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih/history/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps/history/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stone-mgcp-vbd/history/

And strangely, for draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic, the history trail does =
not include an "RFC Published" message from the system at all (although =
the doc page itself does have a link to the RFC):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic/history/

[And if you look at draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message, the history =
trail has the correct time stamp because Amy changed the state manually =
to RFC Published yesterday.  At some later point the datatracker got the =
correct RFC number information from somewhere else.]

Thanks,
Cindy

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2012/3/1 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
> NEW: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip-lr/ballot/
>
> OLD: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-dhcpv6-cga-ps/ballot/

Right. sorry about that!

It's trying to guard against an empty looking but actually
white-spacing containing comment being considered a comment even
though it's empty. But if I change it so it only removes white space
from the end instead of from both ends, I guess we're good.


Ole

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2012/3/1 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> Question: It looks like the datatracker now magically gets the informatio=
n when a new RFC is published. =A0Previously, the Secretariat had to do par=
t of that manually, including changing the IESG state to "RFC Published." =
=A0Does this now happen automatically, or does the datatacker sync with the=
 RFC Editor database at set times? =A0In either case, it looks like the Sec=
retariat no longer needs to take action here?

Yes, it gets the information from the RFC Editor. It did that before
too, but saved the information on the side instead of merging it in. I
couldn't do that with the new schema, had to merge, so in the end it's
now automatic I think. It will set it to be in the RFC state and add
the comment you've noticed. I hope that's okay?

There's a slight problem with the IESG state, it doesn't set that to
published, we need to get that fixed although I don't think you can
actually see it on the document pages.

> Bug: In the history trails of the RFCs that were published in the last tw=
o days, it shows the RFC as being published on 2012-02-01, rather than 2012=
-02-29 or 2012-03-01:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database/histor=
y/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-dht/history/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih/history/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps/history/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stone-mgcp-vbd/history/
>
> And strangely, for draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic, the history trail does =
not include an "RFC Published" message from the system at all (although the=
 doc page itself does have a link to the RFC):
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic/history/
>
> [And if you look at draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message, the history trai=
l has the correct time stamp because Amy changed the state manually to RFC =
Published yesterday. =A0At some later point the datatracker got the correct=
 RFC number information from somewhere else.]

Odd, it's supposed to put in the publication date it gets from the RFC
Editor, but it's possible there's a bug somewhere. I'll take a look at
the above tomorrow.


Ole

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2012/3/1 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> Here's an example where the current behavior and what I entered interact
>> badly for the web presentation.
>>
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pcp-base/ballot/>
>
> Right. =A0Here you actually would have been best off with the ability to
> have paragraphs handled as flowed, but the ascii-art handled as pre-
> formatted text.

I can't help wondering if one could handle this particular case with a
smarter paragraph detector. If we could see that the first paragraph
is an ordinary text paragraph, then we could ignore the newlines in it
and get a perfect reflow. I don't know if this is wishful thinking,
though.


Ole

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2012/3/1 Ole Laursen <olau@iola.dk>:
> There's a slight problem with the IESG state, it doesn't set that to
> published, we need to get that fixed although I don't think you can
> actually see it on the document pages.

I've fixed that so if it is RFC Ed Queue, it'll set it to RFC
published automatically.

>> Bug: In the history trails of the RFCs that were published in the last two days, it shows the RFC as being published on 2012-02-01, rather than 2012-02-29 or 2012-03-01:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database/history/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-dht/history/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih/history/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps/history/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stone-mgcp-vbd/history/
>>
>> And strangely, for draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic, the history trail does not include an "RFC Published" message from the system at all (although the doc page itself does have a link to the RFC):
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic/history/

A careful look at this reveals that it's using 2012-02-01 too, so the
entry ends up below in the stack.

For all of these, I've looked at the actual data, and although the
parser gives me a specific date, the data from the RFC Editor only
says "February 2012". So it just assumes it's the first day of the
month. Gah.

Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the RFC
Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing would
if the downloaded data just told us it.


Ole

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There seems to be a small bug affecting Datatracker agenda code, because =
both the technical and the admin plenary agendas are being written to =
the same location.  I uploaded the admin agenda yesterday and then =
uploaded the technical plenary agenda, only to find that the technical =
plenary agenda went into the admin plenary slot. See here: =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.txt

Let me know if you need additional information to research this.=20

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 Ole:

> 2012/3/1 Ole Laursen <olau@iola.dk>:
>> There's a slight problem with the IESG state, it doesn't set that to
>> published, we need to get that fixed although I don't think you can
>> actually see it on the document pages.
>=20
> I've fixed that so if it is RFC Ed Queue, it'll set it to RFC
> published automatically.
>=20
>>> Bug: In the history trails of the RFCs that were published in the =
last two days, it shows the RFC as being published on 2012-02-01, rather =
than 2012-02-29 or 2012-03-01:
>>>=20
>>> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database/history=
/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-dht/history/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih/history/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps/history/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-stone-mgcp-vbd/history/
>>>=20
>>> And strangely, for draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic, the history trail =
does not include an "RFC Published" message from the system at all =
(although the doc page itself does have a link to the RFC):
>>>=20
>>> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-3627-historic/history/
>=20
> A careful look at this reveals that it's using 2012-02-01 too, so the
> entry ends up below in the stack.
>=20
> For all of these, I've looked at the actual data, and although the
> parser gives me a specific date, the data from the RFC Editor only
> says "February 2012". So it just assumes it's the first day of the
> month. Gah.
>=20
> Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the RFC
> Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
> first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing would
> if the downloaded data just told us it.

This will be addressed in the future under another task order.  =
Currently, the RFC Editor send an email to the Secretariat, and the date =
comes from that email.  The goal is to have a message sent that the =
datatracker can consume in an automated fashion.

Russ


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Jim,

This is the 4th such report of a confirmation email gone missing that I've heard of in the 
last several days. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the recent database 
conversion, and so I've copied the list where related issues are addressed. I'm sure 
someone will respond to you shortly.

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>=20
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> I did not appear to get any confirmation messages from the submission =
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> Draft-schaad-plasma-cms-00.txt and
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> Jim
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2012/3/2 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>> Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the RFC
>> Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
>> first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing would
>> if the downloaded data just told us it.
>
> This will be addressed in the future under another task order. =A0Current=
ly, the RFC Editor send an email to the Secretariat, and the date comes fro=
m that email. =A0The goal is to have a message sent that the datatracker ca=
n consume in an automated fashion.

Aha. If that date could be put into the generated XML file here:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.xml

Then it's a <1 hour job to fix it in the Datatracker end. The XML file
already says

        <date>
            <month>March</month>
            <year>2011</year>
        </date>

so a <day>29</day> would fit the purpose nicely. Would it be feasible
to do this in a not too distant timeframe?


Ole

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Hi!

Jim, you can go to the submit tool, click the "Status" link at the
blue bar at the top, enter "draft-schaad-plasma-cms" and at the bottom
of the page (an orange box) request an email with the URL.


Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation email
on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?

The process does look a bit odd (you get redirected to the secret URL,
then fill in submitter info and get redirected to a non-secret one
without knowing you should have saved the previous URL), but I don't
think this has anything to do with the database conversion. A clean up
of the layout/info on those pages would probably help, it's silly if
the same mistakes keep popping up just because the system is a bit
confusing.


Ole

2012/3/4 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>:
> Sorry, the original complaint did not forward when I responded to Jim. Ca=
n someone see if the missing confirmation message has something to do with =
the database conversion? This is the 4th such report.
>
> Regards,
> Alexa
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> Date: March 3, 2012 2:45:53 PM PST
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>> Subject: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing messages from the submitter
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>>
>>
>> Sat Mar 03 14:45:52 2012: Request 45823 was acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by jimsch@augustcellars.com
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 Queue: IETF-Action
>> =A0 =A0 Subject: Missing messages from the submitter
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 Owner: Nobody
>> =A0Requestors: jimsch@augustcellars.com
>> =A0 =A0 =A0Status: new
>> Ticket <URL: https://www.ietf.org/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=3D45823 >
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>>
>> I did not appear to get any confirmation messages from the submission se=
rver
>> for
>>
>> Draft-schaad-plasma-cms-00.txt and
>> Draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-00.txt
>>
>> Is there a way for me to force a resend of the submitter authentication
>> message?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
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Ole:

> 2012/3/2 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>>> Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the RFC
>>> Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
>>> first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing =
would
>>> if the downloaded data just told us it.
>>=20
>> This will be addressed in the future under another task order.  =
Currently, the RFC Editor send an email to the Secretariat, and the date =
comes from that email.  The goal is to have a message sent that the =
datatracker can consume in an automated fashion.
>=20
> Aha. If that date could be put into the generated XML file here:
>=20
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.xml
>=20
> Then it's a <1 hour job to fix it in the Datatracker end. The XML file
> already says
>=20
>        <date>
>            <month>March</month>
>            <year>2011</year>
>        </date>
>=20
> so a <day>29</day> would fit the purpose nicely. Would it be feasible
> to do this in a not too distant timeframe?

This data has never included the day.  I think we need to use the =
messages that are sent to the secretariat to get the day.

Russ


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Ole:

> Hi!
>=20
> Jim, you can go to the submit tool, click the "Status" link at the
> blue bar at the top, enter "draft-schaad-plasma-cms" and at the bottom
> of the page (an orange box) request an email with the URL.
>=20
>=20
> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation email
> on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?

They should.

> The process does look a bit odd (you get redirected to the secret URL,
> then fill in submitter info and get redirected to a non-secret one
> without knowing you should have saved the previous URL), but I don't
> think this has anything to do with the database conversion. A clean up
> of the layout/info on those pages would probably help, it's silly if
> the same mistakes keep popping up just because the system is a bit
> confusing.

It is a two stage system.  The author uploads the draft and it is placed =
in a staging area, then the system send email to all of the authors, =
then one of the authors clicks the link in the email, the draft is =
posted from the staging area, and finally all of the authors get email =
that the draft was posted.

Russ


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2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>> Then it's a <1 hour job to fix it in the Datatracker end. The XML file
>> already says
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<date>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<month>March</month>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<year>2011</year>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0</date>
>>
>> so a <day>29</day> would fit the purpose nicely. Would it be feasible
>> to do this in a not too distant timeframe?
>
> This data has never included the day. =A0I think we need to use the messa=
ges that are sent to the secretariat to get the day.

Hm, right, I was just wondering who's going to collect the information
in the future.

If there's a database at the RFC Editor's, then it may be easier to
put the information there, even if it requires someone to write an
importer to scan through all the messages (we could scan them and
provide a tab-separated file for the initial import).

But if that's never going to happen and the Datatracker database will
be the main source for this information, then I need to start thinking
about what the script we're currently using should do.


Ole

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Hi Alexa,

On 2012-03-04 17:45 Alexa Morris said:
> Sorry, the original complaint did not forward when I responded to
> Jim. Can someone see if the missing confirmation message has
> something to do with the database conversion? This is the 4th such
> report.

Do you have the draft names associated with the other 3 reports?  That
would be useful information.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation email
>> on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>
> They should.

Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
Sorry.

My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got lost
there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it went down
the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email as
ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
Henrik, can you check that?


Ole

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On 2012-03-05 15:44 Russ Housley said:
> Ole:
>=20
>> Hi!
>>
>> Jim, you can go to the submit tool, click the "Status" link at the
>> blue bar at the top, enter "draft-schaad-plasma-cms" and at the bottom=

>> of the page (an orange box) request an email with the URL.
>>
>>
>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation email=

>> on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>=20
> They should.

I checked on one case of allegedly missing confirmation email for Cindy
Friday, and found that the email server on www.ietf.org reported the emai=
l
as delivered to the submitter's email server.

I hope to get all the names where trouble has been reported from Alexa,
so I can check them all, to see whether mail has gone out from the server=

or not.


Best regards,

	Henrik


>> The process does look a bit odd (you get redirected to the secret URL,=

>> then fill in submitter info and get redirected to a non-secret one
>> without knowing you should have saved the previous URL), but I don't
>> think this has anything to do with the database conversion. A clean up=

>> of the layout/info on those pages would probably help, it's silly if
>> the same mistakes keep popping up just because the system is a bit
>> confusing.
>=20
> It is a two stage system.  The author uploads the draft and it is
> placed in a staging area, then the system send email to all of the
> authors, then one of the authors clicks the link in the email, the
> draft is posted from the staging area, and finally all of the authors
> get email that the draft was posted.



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Hi Alexa,

On 2012-03-02 20:17 Alexa Morris said:
> There seems to be a small bug affecting Datatracker agenda code,
> because both the technical and the admin plenary agendas are being
> written to the same location.  I uploaded the admin agenda yesterday
> and then uploaded the technical plenary agenda, only to find that the
> technical plenary agenda went into the admin plenary slot. See here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.txt

I think this has been corrected now?  The materials upload tool is under
Ryan's control, but I think the problem was that the different slots had
been assigned to the same group ('ietf'), while the technical plenary
now has been changed to belong to 'iab'.

(This should, by the way, permit the IETF chair and the IAB chair to upload
agenda materials for these two sessions directly, without having to go
through the secretariat).

> Let me know if you need additional information to research this.

It would be good if you could confirm that with the current session
assignment, upload works for both and only appears in the appropriate
slot?


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi Alexa,

On 2012-03-04 17:45 Alexa Morris said:
> Sorry, the original complaint did not forward when I responded to Jim. Can someone see if the missing confirmation message has something to do with the database conversion? This is the 4th such report.

The two drafts mentioned show up in the staging area as follows:

-rw-r--r-- 1 wwwrun www 64007 Mar  2 14:17 /home/henrik/staging/draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-00.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 wwwrun www 69515 Mar  2 14:17 /home/henrik/staging/draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-00.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 wwwrun www 59939 Mar  2 14:16 /home/henrik/staging/draft-schaad-plasma-cms-00.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 wwwrun www 63495 Mar  2 14:16 /home/henrik/staging/draft-schaad-plasma-cms-00.xml

I.e., the posting time was 14:16 and 14:17 PST on March 2nd.

Checking the email address in the drafts in the staging area, I find that
Jim uses the email address ietf@augustcellars.com.

In the email server log, I find the following entries, which I believe
indicates that the email (from idsubmission@ietf.org) has been handed
successfully over to the relay 'winery.augustcellars.com'.  (Someone who's
expert in postfix logging can probably tell for sure :-)  :

Kicked off 14:16:

  Mar  2 14:16:48 ietfa amavis[25291]: (25291-20) ESMTP::10024 /a/amavis/tmp/amavis-20120302T135553-25291: <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com> SIZE=941 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP for <ietf@augustcellars.com>; Fri,  2 Mar 2012 14:16:48 -0800 (PST)
  Mar  2 14:16:48 ietfa amavis[25291]: (25291-20) Checking: N2TzYBtdcPuk [127.0.0.1] <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>
  Mar  2 14:16:49 ietfa amavis[25291]: (25291-20) FWD via SMTP: <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>,BODY=7BIT 250 2.0.0 Ok, id=25291-20, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 3F10E21F858E
  Mar  2 14:16:49 ietfa amavis[25291]: (25291-20) Passed CLEAN, [127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1] <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>, Message-ID: <20120302221648.748.41367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, mail_id: N2TzYBtdcPuk, Hits: -102.573, size: 941, queued_as: 3F10E21F858E, 470 ms
  Mar  2 14:16:49 ietfa postfix/smtp[32481]: C43A121F8596: to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.52, delays=0.04/0/0/0.47, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=25291-20, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 3F10E21F858E)
  Mar  2 14:17:20 ietfa postfix/smtp[32486]: 3F10E21F858E: to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>, relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31, delays=0.04/0/30/0.46, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <20120302221648.748.41367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=238] Queued mail for delivery)

Kicked off 14:17:

 Mar  2 14:17:32 ietfa amavis[32430]: (32430-02) ESMTP::10024 /a/amavis/tmp/amavis-20120302T141502-32430: <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com> SIZE=953 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP for <ietf@augustcellars.com>; Fri,  2 Mar 2012 14:17:32 -0800 (PST)
 Mar  2 14:17:32 ietfa amavis[32430]: (32430-02) Checking: 2hyU8fneXOX3 [127.0.0.1] <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>
 Mar  2 14:17:33 ietfa amavis[32430]: (32430-02) FWD via SMTP: <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>,BODY=7BIT 250 2.0.0 Ok, id=32430-02, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 4FE2A21F859A
 Mar  2 14:17:33 ietfa amavis[32430]: (32430-02) Passed CLEAN, [127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1] <idsubmission@ietf.org> -> <ietf@augustcellars.com>, Message-ID: <20120302221732.927.86622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, mail_id: 2hyU8fneXOX3, Hits: -102.573, size: 953, queued_as: 4FE2A21F859A, 597 ms
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 Mar  2 14:18:03 ietfa postfix/smtp[505]: 4FE2A21F859A: to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>, relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31, delays=0/0.01/30/0.39, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <20120302221732.927.86622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=241] Queued mail for delivery)



Regards,

	Henrik


> Regards,
> Alexa
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Jim Schaad via RT" <ietf-action@ietf.org>
>> Date: March 3, 2012 2:45:53 PM PST
>> To: "AdminCc of www.ietf.org/rt Ticket #45823":;
>> Subject: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing messages from the submitter 
>> Reply-To: ietf-action@ietf.org
>>
>>
>> Sat Mar 03 14:45:52 2012: Request 45823 was acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by jimsch@augustcellars.com
>>       Queue: IETF-Action
>>     Subject: Missing messages from the submitter
>>       Owner: Nobody
>>  Requestors: jimsch@augustcellars.com
>>      Status: new
>> Ticket <URL: https://www.ietf.org/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=45823 >
>>
>>
>> I did not appear to get any confirmation messages from the submission server
>> for 
>>
>> Draft-schaad-plasma-cms-00.txt and
>> Draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-00.txt
>>
>> Is there a way for me to force a resend of the submitter authentication
>> message?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Ole,

On 2012-03-05 16:08 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
>>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
>>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation emai=
l
>>> on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>>
>> They should.
>=20
> Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
> individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
> Sorry.
>=20
> My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got lost
> there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it went down
> the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email as
> ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
> Henrik, can you check that?

Just did that, and the result is that they definitely were handed over
to the mail server, and as far as I can tell also went out to the
submitters' mail server for delivery.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Hi Henrik

On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi Alexa,
>=20
>> Let me know if you need additional information to research this.
>=20
> It would be good if you could confirm that with the current session
> assignment, upload works for both and only appears in the appropriate
> slot?
>=20

Unfortunately, it's not working yet on my end yet. I just uploaded the =
Admin Plenary Agenda but the Technical Plenary Agenda is still holding =
the Wednesday evening slot and it says that no technical plenary agenda =
has been uploaded.=20

Thanks,
Alexa



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Do you have a work around so that the agenda can go to the printer on =
schedule today?

Russ


On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Alexa Morris wrote:

> Hi Henrik
>=20
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Alexa,
>>=20
>>> Let me know if you need additional information to research this.
>>=20
>> It would be good if you could confirm that with the current session
>> assignment, upload works for both and only appears in the appropriate
>> slot?
>>=20
>=20
> Unfortunately, it's not working yet on my end yet. I just uploaded the =
Admin Plenary Agenda but the Technical Plenary Agenda is still holding =
the Wednesday evening slot and it says that no technical plenary agenda =
has been uploaded.=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Alexa
>=20
>=20
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Hi Alexa,

On 2012-03-05 17:21 Alexa Morris said:
> Hi Henrik
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alexa,
>>
>>> Let me know if you need additional information to research this.
>>
>> It would be good if you could confirm that with the current session
>> assignment, upload works for both and only appears in the appropriate
>> slot?
>>
> 
> Unfortunately, it's not working yet on my end yet. I just uploaded
> the Admin Plenary Agenda but the Technical Plenary Agenda is still
> holding the Wednesday evening slot and it says that no technical
> plenary agenda has been uploaded.

Mmm, what I see here is "The plenary has not been scheduled", which
is a different matter.  I think this may be a failure in the scheduling
tool; it is possible that it hasn't connected the session with the meeting
slot (maybe because at the time the two plenaries were associated with the
same group?).  I'll try to dig a bit in the data to see what's up.

Best regards,

	Henrik

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Ole:

> 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
>>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
>>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation =
email
>>> on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>>=20
>> They should.
>=20
> Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
> individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
> Sorry.
>=20
> My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got lost
> there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it went down
> the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email as
> ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
> Henrik, can you check that?

The process I explained above in the individual draft.

The WG draft process has an additional check.  The WG chair needs to =
approve the posting of the -00 document.

Russ


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Yes, we are fine here. Thanks for asking.

Alexa

On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Russ Housley wrote:

> Do you have a work around so that the agenda can go to the printer on =
schedule today?
>=20
> Russ
>=20
>=20
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Alexa Morris wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Henrik
>>=20
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi Alexa,
>>>=20
>>>> Let me know if you need additional information to research this.
>>>=20
>>> It would be good if you could confirm that with the current session
>>> assignment, upload works for both and only appears in the =
appropriate
>>> slot?
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Unfortunately, it's not working yet on my end yet. I just uploaded =
the Admin Plenary Agenda but the Technical Plenary Agenda is still =
holding the Wednesday evening slot and it says that no technical plenary =
agenda has been uploaded.=20
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Alexa
>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> iola-conversion-tool mailing list
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Hi Henrik,

I show two plenary Timeslots for meeting 83, both with a Session =
associated.  And both sessions with agenda material attached.  So the =
data looks good unless I'm missing some detail of scheduling plenaries.

In [38]: q=3DTimeSlot.objects.filter(meeting=3D83,type=3D'plenary')

In [39]: q
Out[39]: [<TimeSlot: 83: 03-28 16:30-19:30 IETF Operations and =
Administration Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu>, <TimeSlot: 83: 03-26 =
16:30-19:30 Technical Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu>]

In [40]: q[0].session =20
Out[40]: <Session: IETF-83: iesg 1630>

In [41]: q[1].session
Out[41]: <Session: IETF-83: iab 1630>

Thanks,
Ryan

On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Mmm, what I see here is "The plenary has not been scheduled", which
> is a different matter.  I think this may be a failure in the =
scheduling
> tool; it is possible that it hasn't connected the session with the =
meeting
> slot (maybe because at the time the two plenaries were associated with =
the
> same group?).  I'll try to dig a bit in the data to see what's up.


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi =
Henrik,<div><br></div><div>I show two plenary Timeslots for meeting 83, =
both with a Session associated. &nbsp;And both sessions with agenda =
material attached. &nbsp;So the data looks good unless I'm missing some =
detail of scheduling plenaries.</div><div><br></div><div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Courier New'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 11px;">In [38]: =
q=3DTimeSlot.objects.filter(meeting=3D83,type=3D'plenary')</span></font></=
div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Courier New'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
11px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Courier New'"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 11px;">In [39]: q</span></font></div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Courier New'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 11px;">Out[39]: =
[&lt;TimeSlot: 83: 03-28 16:30-19:30 IETF Operations and Administration =
Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu&gt;, &lt;TimeSlot: 83: 03-26 16:30-19:30 =
Technical Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu&gt;]</span></font></div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Courier New'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
11px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Courier New'"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 11px;">In [40]: q[0].session =
&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Courier New'"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 11px;">Out[40]: &lt;Session: IETF-83: iesg =
1630&gt;</span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Courier New'"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 11px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Courier New'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 11px;">In [41]: =
q[1].session</span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Courier New'"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 11px;">Out[41]: &lt;Session: IETF-83: iab =
1630&gt;</span></font></div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Ry=
an</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Henrik Levkowetz =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Mmm, what I see here is "The plenary has not been =
scheduled", which<br>is a different matter. &nbsp;I think this may be a =
failure in the scheduling<br>tool; it is possible that it hasn't =
connected the session with the meeting<br>slot (maybe because at the =
time the two plenaries were associated with the<br>same group?). =
&nbsp;I'll try to dig a bit in the data to see what's =
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Please see below.


On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Russ Housley wrote:

> Ole:
>=20
>> 2012/3/2 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>>>> Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the =
RFC
>>>> Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
>>>> first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing =
would
>>>> if the downloaded data just told us it.
>>>=20
>>> This will be addressed in the future under another task order.  =
Currently, the RFC Editor send an email to the Secretariat, and the date =
comes from that email.  The goal is to have a message sent that the =
datatracker can consume in an automated fashion.
>>=20
>> Aha. If that date could be put into the generated XML file here:
>>=20
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.xml
>>=20
>> Then it's a <1 hour job to fix it in the Datatracker end. The XML =
file
>> already says
>>=20
>>       <date>
>>           <month>March</month>
>>           <year>2011</year>
>>       </date>
>>=20
>> so a <day>29</day> would fit the purpose nicely. Would it be feasible
>> to do this in a not too distant timeframe?
>=20
> This data has never included the day.  I think we need to use the =
messages that are sent to the secretariat to get the day.


And in fact, it's not messages that are sent directly to the =
Secretariat; we would get the information from the announcements that =
the RFC Editor sends to IETF-Announce (e.g. =
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg09972.html).=


Best regards,
Cindy


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Hi Ryan, Alexa, all,

I think I've now got this working.  Both administrative and technical
plenary shows up as they should.

There were some assumptions which didn't hold, which lead to some code
changes, and there was an encoding problem with the agenda file on disk,
as follows:

  1. The code assumed that the uploaded document would have a title which
     indicated which plenary agenda it was for -- no title was set.  I've
     now changed the code to look at the document name instead.

  2. There were actually 4 different agendas which matched the plenaries,
     and the code didn't check for state active, so I added this.

  3. Even after I fixed the things above, I went 'round and 'round a couple
     of times, as I only saw a blank space where the agenda should have
     been.  This seems to have been caused by the uploaded document having
     a mac character set encoding and mac line-endings -- Ryan, you maybe
     should investigate that further, and see if you should do character
     set and line-ending conversion.  I think what's on disk should either
     be ascii or unicode -- for drafts we check that it's pure ascii, but
     the agendas are different, and we should maybe enforce unicode?


Best regards,

	Henrik


On 2012-03-05 18:20 Ryan Cross said:
> Hi Henrik,
> 
> I show two plenary Timeslots for meeting 83, both with a Session associated.  And both sessions with agenda material attached.  So the data looks good unless I'm missing some detail of scheduling plenaries.
> 
> In [38]: q=TimeSlot.objects.filter(meeting=83,type='plenary')
> 
> In [39]: q
> Out[39]: [<TimeSlot: 83: 03-28 16:30-19:30 IETF Operations and Administration Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu>, <TimeSlot: 83: 03-26 16:30-19:30 Technical Plenary, Amphitheatre Bleu>]
> 
> In [40]: q[0].session  
> Out[40]: <Session: IETF-83: iesg 1630>
> 
> In [41]: q[1].session
> Out[41]: <Session: IETF-83: iab 1630>
> 
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>> Mmm, what I see here is "The plenary has not been scheduled", which
>> is a different matter.  I think this may be a failure in the scheduling
>> tool; it is possible that it hasn't connected the session with the meeting
>> slot (maybe because at the time the two plenaries were associated with the
>> same group?).  I'll try to dig a bit in the data to see what's up.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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The HTML agenda still has quite a few issues that surfaced as part of 
the migration. Go to 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI and open up the 
"Select working group sessions" section.

Problem 1: You'll notice that the "GEN" column is empty. It should 
contain "antitrust," "rpsreqs" and "rfcform."

Problem 2: Neither of the plenaries are rendered. Previously, the 
plenaries were always displayed. Under the current system, they appear 
to have been classified under "gen," along with the edu sessions ("Tools 
for creating internet-drafts tutorial" and "Newcomer orientation"). All 
four of these blocks should be rendered by default.

Problem 3: There is a mystery block from 12:30 to 13:50 on Friday in the 
room "Maillot."

Problem 4: Although it does not show up on the 83 agenda, there is 
something wrong with the characterization of the IRTF meeting for IETF 
82 (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda.html#RAI) such 
that it is displayed by default. If this is simply a data import error 
for IETF 82, then it's no big deal. I'm worried that it might resurface 
in future agendas, though, so we do need to at least understand why it's 
being displayed all the time (rather than being considered an IRTF meeting).

Problem 5: The multi-draft PDF function appears to have been broken. Go 
to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#tsvwg and scroll 
down to the TSVWG session. Just above the agenda, on the right, click on 
the "pdf" link. Instead of getting a PDF file, you'll get a 404 error. 
This is true also of the tar file link right next to it.

/a

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Greetings again. We have a new -00 coming in, so I went to the link for =
doing so that is given on the WG chairs page: =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_init_rev_approval.cgi>. It =
now redirects to the bare Datatracker page with nothing that I can see =
as a way to pre-approve a -00. Has anyone else found the new magic =
place?

--Paul Hoffman


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Hi,

Thanks for the thorough report! I believe the first 3 issues have been
fixed recently. I suspect Henrik will deploy the fixes soon.

2012/3/5 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> Problem 4: Although it does not show up on the 83 agenda, there is something
> wrong with the characterization of the IRTF meeting for IETF 82 (see
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda.html#RAI) such that it is
> displayed by default. If this is simply a data import error for IETF 82,
> then it's no big deal.

The data looks fine to me, but the proxy didn't handle the IRTF group
specially. It looks like the old code was giving it an area of "irtf".
I've fixed the proxy to do the same (will be online when Henrik
deploys it).

> Problem 5: The multi-draft PDF function appears to have been broken. Go to
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#tsvwg and scroll down to
> the TSVWG session. Just above the agenda, on the right, click on the "pdf"
> link. Instead of getting a PDF file, you'll get a 404 error. This is true
> also of the tar file link right next to it.

I was really confused by this, but it turns out it works fine for
meeting 82. So I think the problem is that this part of the code isn't
querying the session for the agenda path, but trying to deduce it in
various ways which now fail with the newly uploaded agendas. I'll see
if I can get that fixed tomorrow, it's getting a little late.


Ole

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Paul Hoffman wrote:
> Greetings again.  We have a new -00 coming in, so I went to the link
> for doing so that is given on the WG chairs page:
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_init_rev_approval.cgi>.
> It now redirects to the bare Datatracker page with nothing that I
> can see as a way to pre-approve a -00.  Has anyone else found the
> new magic place?
>
> --Paul Hoffman

On Feb 24, I got an WG -00 approval request (for URNbis) from the
idsubmission tool (per email), which did not contain any particular
suitable link, and I also did not find a suitable web page.
(The submission status page does not help -- even when logged in.)
Thus, I responded per email immediately (still Friday morning),
and got an auto-generated Ack message, indicating a possible delay
of up to 5 working days.  However, nothing happened during that
Friday and the entire last week, and so today (mid-morning Central
European time), I've filed a trouble ticket at ietf-request, hoping
to get the draft into the repositories soon now.
Let's see ...


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  Alfred HÎnes.

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Hi Henrik,

Alexa told me that you are looking into authors that are not receiving =
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week, however I've listed them and two that I received today below.

Dapeng Liu <liudapeng@chinamobile.com> (draft-ietf-mif-api-extension-00, =
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"Herzog, Jonathan - 0668 - MITLL" <jherzog@ll.mit.edu> =
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I think we also need to clean up the language in the WG Chair Draft =
Approval email.  In the current email it says,=20

> WG chair approval is needed for posting of
> draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc3044bis-issn-urn-00 draft
>
> I-D Submission Tool URL:
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This doesn't make it very clear that the chair needs to click on the =
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instead say something like, "Click here to approve draft" or something =
along those lines?  There should also be something that says they need =
to login in order to approve the draft.  There have been countless =
instances of chairs not knowing where to go to approve the drafts and =
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"><div><br></div><div><br></div>Hi Henrik,<div><br></div><div>Alexa told =
me that you are looking into authors that are not receiving their =
confirmation emails. &nbsp;I've forwarded you a couple in the past week, =
however I've listed them and two that I received today =
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lines? &nbsp;There should also be something that says they need to login =
in order to approve the draft. &nbsp;There have been countless instances =
of chairs not knowing where to go to approve the drafts and once they =
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in.&nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></di=
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I was just able to approve a 00 draft for BFCPBIS. Note, you need to
sign in to get the option to approve a new draft.

Cheers,
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>=20
> Greetings again. We have a new -00 coming in, so I went to the link
for
> doing so that is given on the WG chairs page:
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_init_rev_approval.cgi>. It
> now redirects to the bare Datatracker page with nothing that I can see
> as a way to pre-approve a -00. Has anyone else found the new magic
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> From: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>
> Date: March 5, 2012 2:44:45 PM EST
> To: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: Initial WG draft approval
> 
> Hi All,
>     I have been using the following URL substantially to approve
> initial versions of WG drafts:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_init_rev_approval.cgi
> 
> Today, I accessed this link to approve a new 6MAN WG draft and it
> immediately dumped me into the datatrackers document search screen.
> 
> Did something happen during the datatracker conversion that rendered the
> above URL obsolete?  I also tried the link off the WG Chair's page and
> it does not work as well.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Brian


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On 2012-03-05 21:43 Ole Laursen said the following:
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for the thorough report! I believe the first 3 issues have been
> fixed recently. I suspect Henrik will deploy the fixes soon.

I've deployed 2 of the 3 fixes.  There remains a problem with the fix
needed to show BOFs -- the fix gave them the same status as Active WG,
but this results in WG pages showing up for them, having no 'Proposed WG'
annotation.

> 2012/3/5 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
>> Problem 4: Although it does not show up on the 83 agenda, there is something
>> wrong with the characterization of the IRTF meeting for IETF 82 (see
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda.html#RAI) such that it is
>> displayed by default. If this is simply a data import error for IETF 82,
>> then it's no big deal.
> 
> The data looks fine to me, but the proxy didn't handle the IRTF group
> specially. It looks like the old code was giving it an area of "irtf".
> I've fixed the proxy to do the same (will be online when Henrik
> deploys it).

Done.

Best regards,

	Henrik

>> Problem 5: The multi-draft PDF function appears to have been broken. Go to
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#tsvwg and scroll down to
>> the TSVWG session. Just above the agenda, on the right, click on the "pdf"
>> link. Instead of getting a PDF file, you'll get a 404 error. This is true
>> also of the tar file link right next to it.
> 
> I was really confused by this, but it turns out it works fine for
> meeting 82. So I think the problem is that this part of the code isn't
> querying the session for the agenda path, but trying to deduce it in
> various ways which now fail with the newly uploaded agendas. I'll see
> if I can get that fixed tomorrow, it's getting a little late.
> 
> 
> Ole

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Hi Jim,

On 2012-03-05 23:35 Jim Schaad said the following:
> Henrik,
> 
> Is there any possibility that an issue could be present because I had
> multiple MX records and the primary server was down during that period?

It shouldn't matter, if you've collected messages from the secondary
server meanwhile.  Otherwise, it definitely could matter.  The mail
server log showed these lines for the final delivery of the outgoing
messages:

   Mar  2 14:17:20 ietfa postfix/smtp[32486]: 3F10E21F858E: to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>, relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31, delays=0.04/0/30/0.46, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <20120302221648.748.41367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=238] Queued mail for delivery)

and

  Mar  2 14:18:03 ietfa postfix/smtp[505]: 4FE2A21F859A: to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>, relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31, delays=0/0.01/30/0.39, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <20120302221732.927.86622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=241] Queued mail for delivery)

If 'winery.augustcellars.com' is your secondary mail server, then my bet is that
that's where you'll find the messages :-)


Best regards,

	Henrik



> Jim
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:59 AM
>> To: Ole Laursen
>> Cc: Russ Housley; Alexa Morris; iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org;
>> jimsch@augustcellars.com
>> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing
>> messages from the submitter
>> 
>> Hi Ole,
>> 
>> On 2012-03-05 16:08 Ole Laursen said:
>> > 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>> >>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
>> >>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
>> >>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation
>> >>> email on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>> >>
>> >> They should.
>> >
>> > Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
>> > individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
>> > Sorry.
>> >
>> > My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got lost
>> > there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it went down
>> > the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email as
>> > ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
>> > Henrik, can you check that?
>> 
>> Just did that, and the result is that they definitely were handed over to
> the
>> mail server, and as far as I can tell also went out to the submitters'
> mail server
>> for delivery.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 	Henrik
> 
> 
> 

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Hi Jim,

On 2012-03-06 00:20 Jim Schaad said the following:
> Winery.augustcellars.com is my secondary server, I am collecting messages
> from that server - so it must be deciding that you are bad juju for some
> reason.  I guess that will be part of my trip to the winery later this week
> to figure out what spam filter these messages are going to that is not
> catching the rest of my IETF mail.

Ah.  It would most likely be very interesting to hear what you find, in case
it could help us fix any issues with the outgoing messages that make them
likely to be misclassified as spam.


Best regards,

	Henrik


> Jim
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:15 PM
>> To: Jim Schaad
>> Cc: 'Ole Laursen'; 'Russ Housley'; 'Alexa Morris';
> iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing
>> messages from the submitter
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> On 2012-03-05 23:35 Jim Schaad said the following:
>> > Henrik,
>> >
>> > Is there any possibility that an issue could be present because I had
>> > multiple MX records and the primary server was down during that period?
>> 
>> It shouldn't matter, if you've collected messages from the secondary
> server
>> meanwhile.  Otherwise, it definitely could matter.  The mail server log
>> showed these lines for the final delivery of the outgoing
>> messages:
>> 
>>    Mar  2 14:17:20 ietfa postfix/smtp[32486]: 3F10E21F858E:
>> to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>,
>> relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31,
>> delays=0.04/0/30/0.46, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0
>> <20120302221648.748.41367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=238]
>> Queued mail for delivery)
>> 
>> and
>> 
>>   Mar  2 14:18:03 ietfa postfix/smtp[505]: 4FE2A21F859A:
>> to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>,
>> relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31,
>> delays=0/0.01/30/0.39, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0
>> <20120302221732.927.86622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=241]
>> Queued mail for delivery)
>> 
>> If 'winery.augustcellars.com' is your secondary mail server, then my bet
> is
>> that that's where you'll find the messages :-)
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 	Henrik
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:59 AM
>> >> To: Ole Laursen
>> >> Cc: Russ Housley; Alexa Morris; iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org;
>> >> jimsch@augustcellars.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823]
>> >> Missing messages from the submitter
>> >>
>> >> Hi Ole,
>> >>
>> >> On 2012-03-05 16:08 Ole Laursen said:
>> >> > 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>> >> >>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local
>> >> >>> development server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email,
>> >> >>> but as far as I can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get
>> >> >>> a confirmation email on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They should.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
>> >> > individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
>> >> > Sorry.
>> >> >
>> >> > My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got
>> >> > lost there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it
>> >> > went down the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email
>> >> > as ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
>> >> > Henrik, can you check that?
>> >>
>> >> Just did that, and the result is that they definitely were handed
>> >> over to
>> > the
>> >> mail server, and as far as I can tell also went out to the submitters'
>> > mail server
>> >> for delivery.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> 	Henrik
>> >
>> >
>> >
> 
> 

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Henrik,

Is there any possibility that an issue could be present because I had
multiple MX records and the primary server was down during that period?

Jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:59 AM
> To: Ole Laursen
> Cc: Russ Housley; Alexa Morris; iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org;
> jimsch@augustcellars.com
> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing
> messages from the submitter
> 
> Hi Ole,
> 
> On 2012-03-05 16:08 Ole Laursen said:
> > 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
> >>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local development
> >>> server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email, but as far as I
> >>> can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get a confirmation
> >>> email on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
> >>
> >> They should.
> >
> > Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
> > individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
> > Sorry.
> >
> > My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got lost
> > there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it went down
> > the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email as
> > ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
> > Henrik, can you check that?
> 
> Just did that, and the result is that they definitely were handed over to
the
> mail server, and as far as I can tell also went out to the submitters'
mail server
> for delivery.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Henrik



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Winery.augustcellars.com is my secondary server, I am collecting messages
from that server - so it must be deciding that you are bad juju for some
reason.  I guess that will be part of my trip to the winery later this week
to figure out what spam filter these messages are going to that is not
catching the rest of my IETF mail.

Jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:15 PM
> To: Jim Schaad
> Cc: 'Ole Laursen'; 'Russ Housley'; 'Alexa Morris';
iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823] Missing
> messages from the submitter
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> On 2012-03-05 23:35 Jim Schaad said the following:
> > Henrik,
> >
> > Is there any possibility that an issue could be present because I had
> > multiple MX records and the primary server was down during that period?
> 
> It shouldn't matter, if you've collected messages from the secondary
server
> meanwhile.  Otherwise, it definitely could matter.  The mail server log
> showed these lines for the final delivery of the outgoing
> messages:
> 
>    Mar  2 14:17:20 ietfa postfix/smtp[32486]: 3F10E21F858E:
> to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>,
> relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31,
> delays=0.04/0/30/0.46, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0
> <20120302221648.748.41367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=238]
> Queued mail for delivery)
> 
> and
> 
>   Mar  2 14:18:03 ietfa postfix/smtp[505]: 4FE2A21F859A:
> to=<ietf@augustcellars.com>,
> relay=winery.augustcellars.com[206.212.239.129]:25, delay=31,
> delays=0/0.01/30/0.39, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0
> <20120302221732.927.86622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> [InternalId=241]
> Queued mail for delivery)
> 
> If 'winery.augustcellars.com' is your secondary mail server, then my bet
is
> that that's where you'll find the messages :-)
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Henrik
> 
> 
> 
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:59 AM
> >> To: Ole Laursen
> >> Cc: Russ Housley; Alexa Morris; iola-conversion-tool@ietf.org;
> >> jimsch@augustcellars.com
> >> Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #45823]
> >> Missing messages from the submitter
> >>
> >> Hi Ole,
> >>
> >> On 2012-03-05 16:08 Ole Laursen said:
> >> > 2012/3/5 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
> >> >>> Alexa: I've tried going through a submission on my local
> >> >>> development server and sure I didn't get the confirmation email,
> >> >>> but as far as I can tell from the code, the submitter doesn't get
> >> >>> a confirmation email on submission of 00 revisions of drafts?
> >> >>
> >> >> They should.
> >> >
> >> > Ah, wait a second, there's a difference between WG drafts and
> >> > individual drafts. I do get the confirmation in the latter case.
> >> > Sorry.
> >> >
> >> > My first idea would be checking the mail logs and see if it got
> >> > lost there. I have a dump of the database, and it looks like it
> >> > went down the right branch of the code, saved the submitter email
> >> > as ietf@augustcellars.com and then went into the email sending code.
> >> > Henrik, can you check that?
> >>
> >> Just did that, and the result is that they definitely were handed
> >> over to
> > the
> >> mail server, and as far as I can tell also went out to the submitters'
> > mail server
> >> for delivery.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> 	Henrik
> >
> >
> >


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2012/3/5 Stephanie McCammon <smccammon@amsl.com>:
> This doesn't make it very clear that the chair needs to click on the 'I-D
> Submission Tool URL' in order to approve the draft. =A0Could it instead s=
ay
> something like, "Click here to approve draft" or something along those
> lines? =A0There should also be something that says they need to login in =
order
> to approve the draft. =A0There have been countless instances of chairs no=
t
> knowing where to go to approve the drafts and once they get there they ca=
n't
> approve it because they aren't logged in.

I have just now changed the template to say:

WG chair approval is needed for posting of {{ draft.filename }}-{{
draft.revision }}.

Go to this URL to approve the draft (note: you need to login to be
able to approve):

https://{{ domain }}/submit/status/{{ draft.submission_id }}/{{
draft.submission_hash }}/


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2012/3/5 Ole Laursen <olau@iola.dk>:
>> Problem 5: The multi-draft PDF function appears to have been broken. Go to
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#tsvwg and scroll down to
>> the TSVWG session. Just above the agenda, on the right, click on the "pdf"
>> link. Instead of getting a PDF file, you'll get a 404 error. This is true
>> also of the tar file link right next to it.
>
> I was really confused by this, but it turns out it works fine for
> meeting 82. So I think the problem is that this part of the code isn't
> querying the session for the agenda path, but trying to deduce it in
> various ways which now fail with the newly uploaded agendas. I'll see
> if I can get that fixed tomorrow, it's getting a little late.

Yeah, the newly uploaded agendas don't follow the same naming pattern.
It turns out the agenda code had two places where it was trying the
various ways rather than just asking the agenda or session for the
name. I've fixed those now. This should fix the PDF/tarball downloads
as well as the iframe session agendas that pop up when you select a
group in the top group selector widget.

(This will be online when Henrik has deployed it.)

You can check the progress on the BOF fix here

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/784


Ole

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Hi people!

An update on the publication dates of RFCs: I've talked to Henrik
about our options, and we'll go with a solution that doesn't require
any changes in the data provided by rfc-editor.org for the time being.
That's implemented now, so the "RFC published" entries should end up
at the proper spot in the future.

I have a dump of dates obtained from the RFC Editor announcements that
we can use to fix the existing entries.


Ole


2012/3/5 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> Please see below.
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
>
>> Ole:
>>
>>> 2012/3/2 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
>>>>> Does anyone know whether we could get the actual date out of the RFC
>>>>> Editor? I can imagine a couple of other hacks to improve on the
>>>>> first-day-of-month-assumption, but by far the most robust thing would
>>>>> if the downloaded data just told us it.
>>>>
>>>> This will be addressed in the future under another task order. =A0Curr=
ently, the RFC Editor send an email to the Secretariat, and the date comes =
from that email. =A0The goal is to have a message sent that the datatracker=
 can consume in an automated fashion.
>>>
>>> Aha. If that date could be put into the generated XML file here:
>>>
>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.xml
>>>
>>> Then it's a <1 hour job to fix it in the Datatracker end. The XML file
>>> already says
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 <date>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <month>March</month>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <year>2011</year>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 </date>
>>>
>>> so a <day>29</day> would fit the purpose nicely. Would it be feasible
>>> to do this in a not too distant timeframe?
>>
>> This data has never included the day. =A0I think we need to use the mess=
ages that are sent to the secretariat to get the day.
>
>
> And in fact, it's not messages that are sent directly to the Secretariat;=
 we would get the information from the announcements that the RFC Editor se=
nds to IETF-Announce (e.g. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announ=
ce/current/msg09972.html).
>
> Best regards,
> Cindy
>

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Logged in as a Secretariat user I changed the IESG Telechat agenda =
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changing the Document State from Publication Requested to IESG =
Evaluation.

The document is draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd and it was in section =
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unfamiliarity, and I fixed those as well - unchecked the "returning =
item" box as it is not a returning item, and checked the "IRTF/RFC =
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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">Logged in as a Secretariat user I changed the IESG Telechat agenda (<a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/">https://datatracker.iet=
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Document State from Publication Requested to IESG =
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href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd/">=
draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd</a>&nbsp;and it was in section 3.2.3 For =
Action (it had two other things wrong with it due to user unfamiliarity, =
and I fixed those as well - unchecked the "returning item" box as it is =
not a returning item, and checked the "IRTF/RFC Editor" submission box, =
as this is an ISE stream document). &nbsp;When I changed the state it =
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2012/3/7 Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com>:
> The document is=A0draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd=A0and it was in section =
3.2.3
> For Action (it had two other things wrong with it due to user unfamiliari=
ty,
> and I fixed those as well - unchecked the "returning item" box as it is n=
ot
> a returning item, and checked the "IRTF/RFC Editor" submission box, as th=
is
> is an ISE stream document). =A0When I changed the state it moved to secti=
on
> 3.3.1 New Items as it should have, but now it is listed twice.

I had a look draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd and found a problem with
the code that pulls the documents out of the database so a document
may end up being listed twice in the agenda (the data itself is fine
as far as I can see).

We had a similar problem not long ago so I've now looked through the
whole agenda code and believe I've fixed all of them. So the extra
listing will go away when Henrik deploys my changes. He's out of
office until March 12th so it may take a couple of days.


Ole

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Go to:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/#sipcore

You'll notice that the SIPCORE agenda appears just fine in the long-form 
agenda that follows the calendar view -- it's an IFRAME that points to 
<http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/sipcore-agenda/>

Now, click on the pinkish-purple "SIPCORE" block on the week view. It 
opens up and displays an IFRAME with an src of 
<http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/agenda-83-sipcore.html>, 
which returns a 404 error.

/a

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2012/3/12 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> You'll notice that the SIPCORE agenda appears just fine in the long-form
> agenda that follows the calendar view -- it's an IFRAME that points to
> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/sipcore-agenda/>
>
> Now, click on the pinkish-purple "SIPCORE" block on the week view. It opens
> up and displays an IFRAME with an src of
> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/agenda-83-sipcore.html>,
> which returns a 404 error.

Hm, right, there was a problem with the way URLs were constructed that
were depending on the particular directory pattern the files were
stored in. I fixed that but apparently forgot this file. I've fixed
that and a similar problem with agenda.csv now, should be online when
Henrik has deployed it.

Thanks for the report!


Ole

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Hi Amy, Ole,

The fix has now been deployed.

Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2012-03-08 15:34 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/3/7 Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com>:
>> The document is draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd and it was in section 3.2.3
>> For Action (it had two other things wrong with it due to user unfamiliarity,
>> and I fixed those as well - unchecked the "returning item" box as it is not
>> a returning item, and checked the "IRTF/RFC Editor" submission box, as this
>> is an ISE stream document).  When I changed the state it moved to section
>> 3.3.1 New Items as it should have, but now it is listed twice.
> 
> I had a look draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd and found a problem with
> the code that pulls the documents out of the database so a document
> may end up being listed twice in the agenda (the data itself is fine
> as far as I can see).
> 
> We had a similar problem not long ago so I've now looked through the
> whole agenda code and believe I've fixed all of them. So the extra
> listing will go away when Henrik deploys my changes. He's out of
> office until March 12th so it may take a couple of days.
> 
> 
> Ole

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The fix has been deployed.

Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2012-03-13 13:13 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/3/12 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
>> You'll notice that the SIPCORE agenda appears just fine in the long-form
>> agenda that follows the calendar view -- it's an IFRAME that points to
>> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/sipcore-agenda/>
>>
>> Now, click on the pinkish-purple "SIPCORE" block on the week view. It opens
>> up and displays an IFRAME with an src of
>> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/agenda-83-sipcore.html>,
>> which returns a 404 error.
> 
> Hm, right, there was a problem with the way URLs were constructed that
> were depending on the particular directory pattern the files were
> stored in. I fixed that but apparently forgot this file. I've fixed
> that and a similar problem with agenda.csv now, should be online when
> Henrik has deployed it.
> 
> Thanks for the report!
> 
> 
> Ole

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Thanks Ole!

Sincerely,

Stephanie


On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:

> 2012/3/5 Stephanie McCammon <smccammon@amsl.com>:
>> This doesn't make it very clear that the chair needs to click on the =
'I-D
>> Submission Tool URL' in order to approve the draft.  Could it instead =
say
>> something like, "Click here to approve draft" or something along =
those
>> lines?  There should also be something that says they need to login =
in order
>> to approve the draft.  There have been countless instances of chairs =
not
>> knowing where to go to approve the drafts and once they get there =
they can't
>> approve it because they aren't logged in.
>=20
> I have just now changed the template to say:
>=20
> WG chair approval is needed for posting of {{ draft.filename }}-{{
> draft.revision }}.
>=20
> Go to this URL to approve the draft (note: you need to login to be
> able to approve):
>=20
> https://{{ domain }}/submit/status/{{ draft.submission_id }}/{{
> draft.submission_hash }}/
>=20
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> Ole
>=20

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ote type=3D"cite">This doesn't make it very clear that the chair needs =
to click on the 'I-D<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Submission =
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&nbsp;There have been countless instances of chairs =
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approve the drafts and once they get there they =
can't<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">approve it because they =
aren't logged in.<br></blockquote><br>I have just now changed the =
template to say:<br><br>WG chair approval is needed for posting of {{ =
draft.filename }}-{{<br>draft.revision }}.<br><br>Go to this URL to =
approve the draft (note: you need to login to be<br>able to =
approve):<br><br>https://{{ domain }}/submit/status/{{ =
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Please see below, we think this maybe related to the database conversion =
but please let me know if that is not the case.

Thanks,
Alexa


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> From: Sandy Ginoza <sginoza@amsl.com>
> Date: March 13, 2012 3:09:12 PM PDT
> To: Alice Hagens <ahagens@amsl.com>
> Cc: Steve Young <stevey@amsl.com>, it@amsl.com, Alexa Morris =
<amorris@amsl.com>
> Subject: Re: [www.ietf.org/rt #46122] RFC 6349 PDF error=20
>=20
> Hi Alice,
>=20
> This suggestion is correct to me if the goal is to link to the .pdf =
files created from the text files (all RFCs have them) -- as opposed to =
linking to the enhanced .pdf files (of which there are few).
>=20
>> link of the form:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfcXXXX.pdf
>> should be:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfcXXXX.txt.pdf
>=20
> Thanks,
> Sandy
>=20
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Alice Hagens wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Sandy,
>>=20
>> Looks like this is an error on all datatracker pages for RFCs where =
there is the PDF link.
>>=20
>> link of the form:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfcXXXX.pdf
>> should be:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfcXXXX.txt.pdf
>>=20
>> Example: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6349/
>> link to:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6349.pdf
>> should be:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc6349.txt.pdf
>>=20
>> Do you agree?
>>=20
>> Other examples:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5234/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc2119/
>>=20
>> Alternatively: PDF link could point to the tools.ietf.org PDF
>> e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/rfc6349
>> But I'm guessing rfc-editor.org is the Right Choice.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Alice
>>=20
>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Steve Young wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi all,
>>>=20
>>> I'm sending this to a wide range of people because I'm not sure what =
the
>>> answer is here...
>>>=20
>>> Is the error below simply because rfc6349 doesn't exist any more on
>>> rfc-editor because it's not a viable rfc and therefore shouldn't be =
listed
>>> in datatracker, or should it exist on rfc-editor but doesn't for =
some
>>> reason, or or or...
>>>=20
>>> Any insight from anyone so we can determine what needs to be done to =
fix
>>> this would be welcome.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>>=20
>>> On 3/13/12 1:42 PM, "Marshall Eubanks via RT" <ietf-action@ietf.org> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Tue Mar 13 13:42:56 2012: Request 46122 was acted upon.
>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by marshall.eubanks@gmail.com
>>>>    Queue: IETF-Action
>>>>  Subject: RFC 6349 PDF error
>>>>    Owner: Nobody
>>>> Requestors: marshall.eubanks@gmail.com
>>>>   Status: new
>>>> Ticket <URL: https://www.ietf.org/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=3D46122 =
>
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> In
>>>>=20
>>>> On the datatracker page for this RFC
>>>>=20
>>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6349/
>>>>=20
>>>> if you click on "pdf" you get
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6349.pdf
>>>>=20
>>>> which returns
>>>>=20
>>>> -----
>>>> Object not found!
>>>>=20
>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the
>>>> referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the =
author
>>>> of that page about the error.
>>>>=20
>>>> If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
>>>>=20
>>>> Error 404
>>>>=20
>>>> www.rfc-editor.org
>>>> Tue Mar 13 13:39:25 2012
>>>> Apache/2.2.10 (Linux/SUSE) mod_ssl/2.2.10 OpenSSL/0.9.8h PHP/5.2.13
>>>> with Suhosin-Patch mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.6 mod_perl/2.0.4
>>>> Perl/v5.10.0
>>>> -----
>>>>=20
>>>> I have not tested this for other RFCs.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards
>>>> Marshall
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
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2012/3/13 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>:
> Please see below, we think this maybe related to the database conversion but please let me know if that is not the case.

Yes, it's definitely related. There's an issue open about it now:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/807


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On 3/13/12 7:13 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/3/12 Adam Roach<adam@nostrum.com>:
>> You'll notice that the SIPCORE agenda appears just fine in the long-form
>> agenda that follows the calendar view -- it's an IFRAME that points to
>> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/sipcore-agenda/>
>>
>> Now, click on the pinkish-purple "SIPCORE" block on the week view. It opens
>> up and displays an IFRAME with an src of
>> <http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/agenda-83-sipcore.html>,
>> which returns a 404 error.
> Hm, right, there was a problem with the way URLs were constructed that
> were depending on the particular directory pattern the files were
> stored in. I fixed that but apparently forgot this file. I've fixed
> that and a similar problem with agenda.csv now, should be online when
> Henrik has deployed it.
>
> Thanks for the report!
>
>

Thanks. It appears to be working for all the working groups with 
uploaded agendas, but it's still failing for the plenaries:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/#GEN

I note that the plenaries are still rendering only when one selects the 
entire GEN area, rather than always rendering.

/a

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Argh!

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI

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+many - please fix quickly

On 3/14/12 1:19 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> Argh!
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI
>
> /a

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2012/3/14 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> Thanks. It appears to be working for all the working groups with uploaded
> agendas, but it's still failing for the plenaries:
>
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/#GEN

Right, as long as the views aren't in tune with the (much simpler)
models, this is a special case. I've fixed that one now.

I wish we'd found more of these before going live, but when I went
through this long time ago, I wasn't aware the scripting on the agenda
page was so deep - so I haven't been through all of it as I was
otherwise trying to do. The intention of the proxy layer has never
been a 1:1 mapping, just to be good enough to fool what's actually in
use.

> I note that the plenaries are still rendering only when one selects the
> entire GEN area, rather than always rendering.

I'm sorry, if you have mentioned that already, I think it got lost in
the noise. I've hacked the proxy to fix this now.

The fixes should be live when Henrik has deployed them.


Ole

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2012/3/14 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> Argh!
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI

I've made a commit to fix that. Until Henrik deploys it, go to

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/#RAI

instead of the .html URL. I'm not sure why .html is not redirecting.
There are a couple of oddities in the meeting code.


Ole

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Ok, so this is maybe one that Adam should do the permanent fix for during
the sprint ;-)

This was a case of too many variations on the same URL.

These worked just fine:
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/#RAI
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda#RAI
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#RAI
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda/#RAI

but not the one mentioned by Adam because someone (probably Adam ,;-)
had missed adding a pattern for the url the week-view.html page ended
up with when included with a relative url from that page:
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI

I've now added yet another url for the week-view.html page in order to make
the agena page work for now, giving us 4 different patterns in 
ietf/meetings/urls.py for the week-view page.

I'm going to add a ticket to eliminate most of those, and use only *one*
location for the week-view page.

Best regards,

	Henrik


On 2012-03-14 19:19 Adam Roach said the following:
> Argh!
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html#RAI
> 
> /a

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See <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/810>

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Hi Henrik,

On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

>  3. Even after I fixed the things above, I went 'round and 'round a =
couple
>     of times, as I only saw a blank space where the agenda should have
>     been.  This seems to have been caused by the uploaded document =
having
>     a mac character set encoding and mac line-endings -- Ryan, you =
maybe
>     should investigate that further, and see if you should do =
character
>     set and line-ending conversion.  I think what's on disk should =
either
>     be ascii or unicode -- for drafts we check that it's pure ascii, =
but
>     the agendas are different, and we should maybe enforce unicode?
Does this mean the code is parsing the agenda file?  Does it need to do =
this?  I'm happy to add character set validation, but this would affect =
everyone submitting agenda's so I want to be sure that is the official =
requirement.

Thanks,
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Hi Ryan,

On 2012-03-21 15:17 Ryan Cross said:
> Hi Henrik,
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>> 3. Even after I fixed the things above, I went 'round and 'round a
>> couple of times, as I only saw a blank space where the agenda
>> should have been.  This seems to have been caused by the uploaded
>> document having a mac character set encoding and mac line-endings
>> -- Ryan, you maybe should investigate that further, and see if you
>> should do character set and line-ending conversion.  I think what's
>> on disk should either be ascii or unicode -- for drafts we check
>> that it's pure ascii, but the agendas are different, and we should
>> maybe enforce unicode?

> Does this mean the code is parsing the agenda file?  Does it need to
> do this?  I'm happy to add character set validation, but this would
> affect everyone submitting agenda's so I want to be sure that is the
> official requirement.

No, the code isn't parsing the agenda file, but the file is being
displayed through web browsers, and if you tell the browsers it's
latin-1 when it's utf-8, or vice versa, things don't look good.
And for mac line-endings things can get so bad that the browser
doesn't show anything at all in some circumstances -- that seemed to
be what happened above.

Best regards,

	Henrik


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It looks like the timezone field on the meeting object for IETF 83 (more 
specifically, the proxy object) is returning GMT+1 for IETF 83. Since 
Paris goes into daylight savings time this weekend, I believe it should 
be +2. This is impacting the generation of the ics files from the 
datatracker page.

For example:

# wget -q -O- http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.ics?RAI | 
head -12
BEGIN:VCALENDAR
VERSION:2.0
METHOD:PUBLISH
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:Europe/Paris
BEGIN:STANDARD
TZOFFSETFROM:+0100
TZOFFSETTO:+0100
TZNAME:Europe/Paris
DTSTART:19700101T000000
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE


That +0100 should be a +0200.

/a

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2012/3/22 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> It looks like the timezone field on the meeting object for IETF 83 (more
> specifically, the proxy object) is returning GMT+1 for IETF 83. Since Paris
> goes into daylight savings time this weekend, I believe it should be +2.
> This is impacting the generation of the ics files from the datatracker page.

I had a look at the code, and the reason it says +1 instead of +2 is
that it's calculating the offset from the first day (Sunday) at zero
hour. :)

I've done a quick fix to have it calculate it from eight o'clock
instead (will be online when Henrik deploys it). I haven't worked with
iCal before, but it looks like one ought to dump both DST and non-DST
with separate labels and then output the right label for each entry?


Ole

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On Mar 22, 2012, at 14:03, Ole Laursen <olau@iola.dk> wrote:

> 2012/3/22 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
>> It looks like the timezone field on the meeting object for IETF 83 (more
>> specifically, the proxy object) is returning GMT+1 for IETF 83. Since Par=
is
>> goes into daylight savings time this weekend, I believe it should be +2.
>> This is impacting the generation of the ics files from the datatracker pa=
ge.
>=20
> I had a look at the code, and the reason it says +1 instead of +2 is
> that it's calculating the offset from the first day (Sunday) at zero
> hour. :)
>=20
> I've done a quick fix to have it calculate it from eight o'clock
> instead (will be online when Henrik deploys it). I haven't worked with
> iCal before, but it looks like one ought to dump both DST and non-DST
> with separate labels and then output the right label for each entry?
>=20


Thanks for the fix!=20

=46rom an ical perspective, the time zone block should encode the DST rules f=
or the locale under a single label. The old database only gave us an integer=
 offset, so the output we presently generate is very primitive (and slightly=
 wrong). It sounds like the new DB is much more intelligent about this kind o=
f thing. Hopefully, my code refactor of the agenda code on Saturday will res=
ult in doing this correctly.=20

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2012/3/22 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> From an ical perspective, the time zone block should encode the DST rules=
 for the locale under a single label. The old database only gave us an inte=
ger offset, so the output we presently generate is very primitive (and slig=
htly wrong). It sounds like the new DB is much more intelligent about this =
kind of thing. Hopefully, my code refactor of the agenda code on Saturday w=
ill result in doing this correctly.

Ah, that sounds even better. Yes, we store a name, it's supposed to be
a name from the standard time zone database, I think. If you discover
some brokenness regarding that, it's probably better to fix the
database than continue with a hack.


Ole
