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Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:
    > I think the issue is that RFC 7030 references RFC 4210.=C2=A0 And
    > enterprises may indeed roll their CAs for a myriad of reasons, not the
    > least of which could be mergers, mishandled private keys, and planned
    > changes,.=C2=A0 So some advice may be needed here, if 4210 isn't the =
right
    > answer.

It's not that RFC4210 is wrong, it's that it's a bit abstract.

In IoT deployments, there are many slightly different aspects of how things
will be used that affects how one makes it unclear how to concretely do
RFC4210.

These differences are perhaps worth writing down somewhere.

I think that one major category is outbound P2MP (IoT node -> cloud).
A second one is "inbound" P2MP CollectionSystem->Node (often not cloud).
The third one, which many IETF efforts assume, but industry does not common=
ly
do, is node<-->node.
A fourth one might be where two nodes connect to a cloud/server resource, a=
nd
are then put in touch with other using credentials provided by the server,
or perhaps even just keyed by the server.  Most forms of secure multicast a=
re
basically like this.

It's quite likely that some networks do a combination of these for different
purposes.


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FYI

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 4:36 PM
Subject: IIC Overview at the IETF - Request to fill the doodle by Friday
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Dear all,

In order to understand the work of IIC and discuss possible cooperation
efforts, Wael William Diab [1] from IIC, will provide us with an overview
of IIC.

In order to participate in this meeting, please fill the following doodle
by Friday 25th September at 3pm UTC.

https://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=3Dpoll&utm_medium=3Dlin=
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Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Samita and Ari

[1] https://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-diab.htm

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<div dir=3D"ltr">FYI<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong c=
lass=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Ines  Robles</strong> <span dir=3D"a=
uto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank=
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at 4:36 PM<br>Subject: IIC Overview at the IETF - Request to fill the doodl=
e by Friday 25th Sept<br>To: IETF IoT Directorate &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iot=
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r>Cc: Ari Ker=C3=A4nen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ari.keranen@ericsson.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ari.keranen@ericsson.com</a>&gt;, Samita Chakrabarti &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:samita.chakrabarti@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">samita.chak=
rabarti@verizon.com</a>&gt;, Samita Chakrabarti &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:samit=
ac.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">samitac.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></di=
v><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>In order to underst=
and the work of IIC and discuss possible cooperation efforts, Wael William =
Diab [1] from IIC, will provide us with an overview of IIC.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>In order to participate=C2=A0in this meeting, please fill the fol=
lowing doodle by Friday 25th September at 3pm UTC.=C2=A0</div><div><br></di=
v><div><a href=3D"https://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=3Dpol=
l&amp;utm_medium=3Dlink" target=3D"_blank">https://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnh=
uh29ie5c?utm_source=3Dpoll&amp;utm_medium=3Dlink</a><br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Notice that the meeting will be recorded and posted on youtube.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you very much in advance,</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Ines, Samita and Ari</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-diab.htm" target=3D"_blank">h=
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Dear all,

The date and time for the meeting will be on 12th October at 7:00 am
Pacific Time = 2pm UTC = 5pm EEST (Finland).

Meeting details will be sent later.

BR,
Ines.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 4:36 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In order to understand the work of IIC and discuss possible cooperation
> efforts, Wael William Diab [1] from IIC, will provide us with an overview
> of IIC.
>
> In order to participate in this meeting, please fill the following doodle
> by Friday 25th September at 3pm UTC.
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>
> Notice that the meeting will be recorded and posted on youtube.
>
> Thank you very much in advance,
>
> Ines, Samita and Ari
>
> [1] https://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-diab.htm
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br><div>The date and time for the meeting w=
ill be on 12th October at 7:00 am Pacific Time =3D 2pm UTC =3D 5pm EEST (Fi=
nland).<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Meeting details will be sent lat=
er.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Ines.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 23,=
 2021 at 4:36 PM Ines  Robles &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlem=
ail.com">mariainesrobles@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br><=
/div><div>In order to understand the work of IIC and discuss possible coope=
ration efforts, Wael William Diab [1] from IIC, will provide us with an ove=
rview of IIC.</div><div><br></div><div>In order to participate=C2=A0in this=
 meeting, please fill the following doodle by Friday 25th September at 3pm =
UTC.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://doodle.com/poll/weqq=
2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=3Dpoll&amp;utm_medium=3Dlink" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=3Dpoll&amp;utm_medium=3Dli=
nk</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Notice that the meeting will be recorde=
d and posted on youtube.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you very much=
 in advance,</div><div><br></div><div>Ines, Samita and Ari</div><div><br></=
div><div>[1] <a href=3D"https://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-di=
ab.htm" target=3D"_blank">https://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-=
diab.htm</a></div></div>
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Thanks for setting this up!

Unfortunately, i have a medical procedure at that time slot,
but will be watching the recording.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:11:37PM +0300, Ines Robles wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> The date and time for the meeting will be on 12th October at 7:00 am
> Pacific Time = 2pm UTC = 5pm EEST (Finland).
> 
> Meeting details will be sent later.
> 
> BR,
> Ines.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 4:36 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear all,
> >
> > In order to understand the work of IIC and discuss possible cooperation
> > efforts, Wael William Diab [1] from IIC, will provide us with an overview
> > of IIC.
> >
> > In order to participate in this meeting, please fill the following doodle
> > by Friday 25th September at 3pm UTC.
> >
> > https://doodle.com/poll/weqq2wnhuh29ie5c?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
> >
> > Notice that the meeting will be recorded and posted on youtube.
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance,
> >
> > Ines, Samita and Ari
> >
> > [1] https://www.iiconsortium.org/awards-program/wael-diab.htm
> >

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