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WG participants, 

The current INT ADs, the WG chairs and I have been discussing
this WG and where it sits. Since the WG does only MIB work,
it seems wise to just move the WG to the OPS area and let
it report to me. I am currently discussing this with the 
IESG and IAB. If you have any other input, pls post to the
list.

Below is the proposed re-charter text. 

Thanks,
Bert, Thomas, Margaret
------ draft re-charter text for IPCDN WG ----

Status: re-charter text, not yet approved by IESG

Chair(s):

  Richard Woundy <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
  Jean-Francois Mule <jf.mule@cablelabs.com>

Operations and Management Area Director(s):
  Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
  Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

Operations and Management Area Advisor:
  Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

Mailing Lists:
  General Discussion: ipcdn@ietf.org
  To Subscribe: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn
  Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ipcdn

Description of Working Group: 

  The IETF IPCDN Working Group develops and standardizes MIBs
  for IP-capable data-over-cable systems, for example cable
  modems, multimedia terminal adapters and associated
  cable-data equipment in a cable headend. 
  These MIBs cover not only cable data interfaces, but also
  management of cable-data equipment and systems. 

  The WG mailing list may be used discussion of Internet-related
  issues in data-over-cable equipment and systems. In the event
  of a particular new Internet technology issue arising in the
  cable-data context, the WG will identify whether that is best
  handled within the IETF or is best handled by another standards
  body. In the event that new IETF MIB work, the WG chairs can
  discuss additional WG work items with the AD. Such additions
  will have to go through normal re-charter process.
  If non-MIB work gets identified, such items are not normal
  work items for this IPCDN-MIB WG and must go through normal
  IETF new WG chartering process.

  Standardization of MIBs for DOCSIS, PacketCable and CableHome
  systems are explicitly within the scope of the IPCDN Working
  Group.

  The IPCDN WG will also keep informed on what other groups in
  the industry are doing as it relates to the efforts of this
  working group.

  The WG will align its specifications with IPv6 and SNMP STD.


Related groups: 

  CableLabs (http://www.cablelabs.com/) is structured into projects.
  In its Cable Modem/DOCSIS project, CableLabs has produced three
  generations of data over cable specifications: DOCSIS 1.0,
  DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.  
  In its PacketCable project, CableLabs has produced one generation
  of interface specifications for delivering real-time multimedia
  services over DOCSIS (http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/).
  Internationally, IPCablecom is the global name associated
  with the extensions & global standardization of PacketCable
  in ETSI & ITU-T SG9.
  In its CableHome project, CableLabs has produced one generation
  of interface specifications for extending manageability for
  customer care to the residential gateway or home router device
  connected to the Internet through a DOCSIS-compliant cable modem
  (http://www.cablelabs.com/projects/cablehome/).

  DOCSIS 1.0 includes specifications for a bidirectional
  data-over-cable interface (RFI, or Radio Frequency Interface)
  and a data privacy service (BPI, or Baseline Privacy Interface).
  The key devices in a DOCSIS network are the Cable Modem (CM, the
  device at the subscriber premise) and the Cable Modem Termination
  System (CMTS, the device at the cable headend). For DOCSIS 1.0
  systems, the IPCDN WG has published the Cable Device MIB
  (RFC 2669), the RF Interface MIB (RFC 2670), and the Baseline
  Privacy MIB (RFC 3083).

  DOCSIS 1.1 extends the DOCSIS 1.0 specifications to support
  better quality of service parameters (RFIv1.1), to enable
  operation in European cable networks (EuroDOCSIS), and to
  authenticate modems and firmware images (BPI+). The IPCDN WG
  will update the Cable Device and Radio Frequency MIBs for
  DOCSIS 1.1, and repair flaws discovered in operational use.
  Other IPCDN WG documents will address the operational and
  management issues for new DOCSIS 1.1 functional components
  (e.g. BPI+), for subscriber device management, and for
  uniform event notification.

  DOCSIS 2.0 enhances the DOCSIS 1.1 specifications at the
  physical layer, in particular to support two new physical
  layer encodings: S-CDMA and A-TDMA. The IPCDN WG will update
  the Radio Frequency MIB for DOCSIS 2.0.

  PacketCable 1.0 is built on top of the DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem 
  infrastructure and it includes a suite of interface
  specifications covering multimedia terminal adapter (MTA)
  device provisioning, voice over IP session signaling, QoS
  signaling based on IETF standards. The key systems in a
  PacketCable network are the multimedia terminal adapter (MTA),
  a Call Management Server (CMS), a PacketCable-compliant 
  DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS, Media Gateway Controllers, Media Gateways
  along with back-office systems. In ITU-T SG-9 and ETSI AT,
  IPCableCom has standardized PacketCable to create a set of
  international standards.

  CableHome 1.0 is a set of specifications for residential
  gateway or home router functionality standardizing methods
  for implementing address acquisition, device configuration
  and management, network address translation, event reporting,
  remote connectivity diagnostics, secure software download,
  firewall policy file download, firewall monitoring,
  management parameter access control and other residential
  gateway functionality. By standardizing these features,
  CableHome 1.0 specifications enable cable operators to
  deliver high-value, managed broadband services to their
  high-speed data service subscribers, through a DOCSIS cable
  modem.


Work items:

  The IPCDN WG will address issues related to network management,
  especially as they concern HFC access networks. It is expected
  that other services (i.e. RSVP, IPSEC, etc.) will operate
  mostly unmodified.

  The specific work items include

  -- DOCSIS,
     - publish MIB documents for:
       - subscriber device management on a DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS,
       - managing the quality of service parameters for a
         DOCSIS 1.1 device,
       - managing the Baseline Privacy Plus system for a
         DOCSIS 1.1 device,
       - uniform event notification on a DOCSIS 1.1 device,
     - revise MIB documents for:
       - DOCSIS 1.0 RF Interface MIB to support EuroDOCSIS
         parameters and DOCSIS 2.0 physical layer management,
       - the DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Device MIBs to address SNMPv3
         and IPv6 compliance and interoperability issues,

  -- IPCablecom & PacketCable
     - publish MIB documents for:
       - managing the device parameters of
         PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
       - managing the signaling parameters of 
         PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
       - managing events for PacketCable/IPCablecom systems,

  -- CableHome
     - publish MIB documents for:
       - managing attributes of a residential gateway or 
         home router device,
       - managing private address-to-public address mappings
         for a residential gateway or home router device,
       - managing the address lease acquistion client and the
         address lease server functionality of a residential
         gateway or home router device,
       - managing diagnostic utilities used to remotely test
         the connectivity between a residential gateway and
         privately-addressed LAN hosts,
       - managing firewall attributes, monitoring firewall
         attacks, and managing security certificates in a
         residential gateway or home router device,
       - managing QoS configuration in a residential
         gateway or home router device.

Goals and Milestones:

Done    Post final I-D on Baseline Privacy MIB; Last call  

Done    Post I-Ds revising RF and CM MIBs to support DOCSIS1.1
        and for compliance with SNMPv3 and IPv6  

Done    Submit Baseline Privacy MIB to IESG for publication as
        a Standards Track RFC  

Aug 03  Submit DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB to IESG for
        consideration as a Standards Track RFC

Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS 1.1 QoS MIB to IESG for consideration as a
        Standards Track RFC

Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS BPI+ MIB to IESG for consideration as a
        Standards Track RFC

Sep 03  Submit updated DOCSIS RF MIB to IESG for consideration
        as a Standards Track RFC (Proposed Standard)

Sep 03  Submit updated DOCSIS Cable Device MIB to IESG for
        consideration as a Standards Track RFC

Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS Event Notification MIB to IESG for
        consideration as a Standards Track RFC

Sep 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA device MIB to IESG
        for consideration as a Standards Track RFC
	
Sep 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA signaling MIB to IESG
        for consideration as a Standards Track RFC

Nov 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA event MIB to IESG for 
        consideration as a Standards Track RFC

Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing residential gateway or 
        home router device to IESG for consideration as 
        Standards Track RFC,

Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for MIB for managing private 
        address-to-public address mappings for a residential 
        gateway or home router device to IESG for consideration
        as Standards Track RFC,

Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing the address lease
        acquistion client and the  address lease server
        functionality of a residential gateway or home router
        device to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,

Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing diagnostic utilities
        used to remotely test the connectivity between a residential
        gateway and privately-addressed LAN hosts to IESG for
        consideration as Standards Track RFC,

Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing firewall attributes, 
        monitoring firewall attacks, and managing security
        certificates in a residential gateway or home router device
        to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,

Feb 04  Revaluate charter and milestones or conclude wg.

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A new charter for the IP over Cable Data Network (ipcdn) Working Group in the
Operations and Management Area of the IETF is being considered.
The draft charter is provided below for your review and comment.

Review time is one week.

The IETF Secretariat.

+++

IESG, IAB

This WG currently exists in the INT Area. But all they do is
work on MIB documents. Basically it means that I interact with
them much more than any of the INT ADs (which is indeed
logical if they just work on MIBs).

So Thomas, Margaret and I have discussed with the WG chairs
to move the WG to OPS area and I will then be primary AD.
WG chairs agree with that.

At the same time, the WG has a whole set of new MIB docs
they want to work on (in fact they are already working on
them). So the charter lists those new MIB documents and
has new milestones for them. The milestones have been
kind of aligned with Cablelabs Certifaction Waves, so that
is hoped to help motivate the WG pariticpants to finish
by some specific date. Let us hope that that will indeed work.

Below is the proposed re-charter text. There is quite extensive
background info included, which may seem superfluous, but I think
it does help readers of the charter to understand how this all
relates to other work in the cable industry.

Thanks,
Bert 


IP over Cable Data Network (ipcdn)
----------------------------------

 Charter
 Last Modified: 2003-08-01

 Current Status: Active Working Group

 Chair(s):

     Richard Woundy <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
     Jean-Francois Mule <jf.mule@cablelabs.com>

 Operations and Management Area Director(s):
     Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

 Operations and Management Area Advisor:
     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

 Mailing Lists:
     General Discussion: ipcdn@ietf.org
     To Subscribe: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn
     Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ipcdn

 Description of Working Group: 

     The IETF IPCDN Working Group develops and standardizes MIBs
     for IP-capable data-over-cable systems, for example cable
     modems, multimedia terminal adapters and associated
     cable-data equipment in a cable headend. 
     These MIBs cover not only cable data interfaces, but also
     management of cable-data equipment and systems. 

     The WG mailing list may be used discussion of Internet-related
     issues in data-over-cable equipment and systems. In the event
     of a particular new Internet technology issue arising in the
     cable-data context, the WG will identify whether that is best
     handled within the IETF or is best handled by another standards
     body. In the event that new IETF MIB work, the WG chairs can
     discuss additional WG work items with the AD. Such additions
     will have to go through normal re-charter process.
     If non-MIB work gets identified, such items are not normal
     work items for this IPCDN-MIB WG and must go through normal
     IETF new WG chartering process.

     Standardization of MIBs for DOCSIS, PacketCable and CableHome
     systems are explicitly within the scope of the IPCDN Working
     Group.

     The IPCDN WG will also keep informed on what other groups in
     the industry are doing as it relates to the efforts of this
     working group.

     The WG will align its specifications with IPv6 and SNMP STD.


 Related groups: 

     CableLabs (http://www.cablelabs.com/) is structured into projects.
     In its Cable Modem/DOCSIS project, CableLabs has produced three
     generations of data over cable specifications: DOCSIS 1.0,
     DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0. 
     In its PacketCable project, CableLabs has produced one generation
     of interface specifications for delivering real-time multimedia
     services over DOCSIS (http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/).
     Internationally, IPCablecom is the global name associated
     with the extensions & global standardization of PacketCable
     in ETSI & ITU-T SG9.
     In its CableHome project, CableLabs has produced one generation
     of interface specifications for extending manageability for
     customer care to the residential gateway or home router device
     connected to the Internet through a DOCSIS-compliant cable modem
     (http://www.cablelabs.com/projects/cablehome/).

     DOCSIS 1.0 includes specifications for a bidirectional
     data-over-cable interface (RFI, or Radio Frequency Interface)
     and a data privacy service (BPI, or Baseline Privacy Interface).
     The key devices in a DOCSIS network are the Cable Modem (CM, the
     device at the subscriber premise) and the Cable Modem Termination
     System (CMTS, the device at the cable headend). For DOCSIS 1.0
     systems, the IPCDN WG has published the Cable Device MIB
     (RFC 2669), the RF Interface MIB (RFC 2670), and the Baseline
     Privacy MIB (RFC 3083).

     DOCSIS 1.1 extends the DOCSIS 1.0 specifications to support
     better quality of service parameters (RFIv1.1), to enable
     operation in European cable networks (EuroDOCSIS), and to
     authenticate modems and firmware images (BPI+). The IPCDN WG
     will update the Cable Device and Radio Frequency MIBs for
     DOCSIS 1.1, and repair flaws discovered in operational use.
     Other IPCDN WG documents will address the operational and
     management issues for new DOCSIS 1.1 functional components
     (e.g. BPI+), for subscriber device management, and for
     uniform event notification.

     DOCSIS 2.0 enhances the DOCSIS 1.1 specifications at the
     physical layer, in particular to support two new physical
     layer encodings: S-CDMA and A-TDMA. The IPCDN WG will update
     the Radio Frequency MIB for DOCSIS 2.0.

     PacketCable 1.0 is built on top of the DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem 
     infrastructure and it includes a suite of interface
     specifications covering multimedia terminal adapter (MTA)
     device provisioning, voice over IP session signaling, QoS
     signaling based on IETF standards. The key systems in a
     PacketCable network are the multimedia terminal adapter (MTA),
     a Call Management Server (CMS), a PacketCable-compliant 
     DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS, Media Gateway Controllers, Media Gateways
     along with back-office systems. In ITU-T SG-9 and ETSI AT,
     IPCableCom has standardized PacketCable to create a set of
     international standards.

     CableHome 1.0 is a set of specifications for residential
     gateway or home router functionality standardizing methods
     for implementing address acquisition, device configuration
     and management, network address translation, event reporting,
     remote connectivity diagnostics, secure software download,
     firewall policy file download, firewall monitoring,
     management parameter access control and other residential
     gateway functionality. By standardizing these features,
     CableHome 1.0 specifications enable cable operators to
     deliver high-value, managed broadband services to their
     high-speed data service subscribers, through a DOCSIS cable
     modem.


 Work items:

     The IPCDN WG will address issues related to network management,
     especially as they concern HFC access networks. It is expected
     that other services (i.e. RSVP, IPSEC, etc.) will operate
     mostly unmodified.

     The specific work items include

     -- DOCSIS,
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - subscriber device management on a DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS,
               - managing the quality of service parameters for a
                   DOCSIS 1.1 device,
               - managing the Baseline Privacy Plus system for a
                   DOCSIS 1.1 device,
               - uniform event notification on a DOCSIS 1.1 device,
           - revise MIB documents for:
               - DOCSIS 1.0 RF Interface MIB to support EuroDOCSIS
                   parameters and DOCSIS 2.0 physical layer management,
               - the DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Device MIBs to address SNMPv3
                   and IPv6 compliance and interoperability issues,

     -- IPCablecom & PacketCable
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - managing the device parameters of
                   PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
               - managing the signaling parameters of 
                   PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
               - managing events for PacketCable/IPCablecom systems,

     -- CableHome
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - managing attributes of a residential gateway or 
                   home router device,
               - managing private address-to-public address mappings
                   for a residential gateway or home router device,
               - managing the address lease acquistion client and the
                   address lease server functionality of a residential
                   gateway or home router device,
               - managing diagnostic utilities used to remotely test
                   the connectivity between a residential gateway and
                   privately-addressed LAN hosts,
               - managing firewall attributes, monitoring firewall
                   attacks, and managing security certificates in a
                   residential gateway or home router device,
               - managing QoS configuration in a residential
                   gateway or home router device.

 Goals and Milestones:

 Done Post final I-D on Baseline Privacy MIB; Last call 

 Done Post I-Ds revising RF and CM MIBs to support DOCSIS1.1
                 and for compliance with SNMPv3 and IPv6 

 Done Submit Baseline Privacy MIB to IESG for publication as
                 a Standards Track RFC 

 Aug 03 Submit DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS 1.1 QoS MIB to IESG for consideration as a
                 Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS BPI+ MIB to IESG for consideration as a
                 Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit updated DOCSIS RF MIB to IESG for consideration
                 as a Standards Track RFC (Proposed Standard)

 Sep 03 Submit updated DOCSIS Cable Device MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS Event Notification MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA device MIB to IESG
                 for consideration as a Standards Track RFC
                 
 Sep 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA signaling MIB to IESG
                 for consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Nov 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA event MIB to IESG for 
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing residential gateway or 
                 home router device to IESG for consideration as 
                 Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for MIB for managing private 
                 address-to-public address mappings for a residential 
                 gateway or home router device to IESG for consideration
                 as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing the address lease
                 acquistion client and the address lease server
                 functionality of a residential gateway or home router
                 device to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing diagnostic utilities
                 used to remotely test the connectivity between a residential
                 gateway and privately-addressed LAN hosts to IESG for
                 consideration as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing firewall attributes, 
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Gordon,
Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable. 
I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12. 
 
Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

-----Original Message-----
From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:52 PM
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Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft 01


Rick, 

Thanks for your review of the signaling MIB recommendations and for
providing additional suggestions.

For items 1-5 and 7,8, and 10 there is substantial agreement, and I have
made the changes as indicated in the open issues list (as posted on the
IPCDN web site and included in your document), however, there is one minor
exception  item 8. It turns out that sixteenthousand is more commonly used
than twelvethousand. Consequently, the description and default are
recommended to be sixteenthousand not twelvethousand. 

For item 9, Motorola agrees with the default change recommended. 

For item 11, Motorola agrees with the recommendation to obsolete these
objects. These objects are product hardware design issues. 

For item 6, Motorola, after further review determined that there is already
an object for setting the level for dtmf or any other tone
(pktcSigDevToneDbLevel), which can vary by geographic location.
Consequently, the only change recommended for item 6 then is the addition of
3 user defined tones.

For item 12, Motorola does not agree with obsoleting these objects. The dial
pulse objects vary by geographic location (e.g., NA, Europe, Japan, etc),
and need to be retained in order to be adjusted as necessary by the
operator.

Gordon Beacham

Digital Core Gateways, BCS

Motorola, Inc.

858-404-2335

gordon.beacham@motorola.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick.Morris@arrisi.com [mailto:Rick.Morris@arrisi.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:08 PM
To: Wim De Ketelaere
Cc: Gordon Beacham; billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIB draft 01



Wim and Gorden, 

I apologize for the length of time it has taken me to get this response back
to you.     However, we wanted to make sure that we had thoroughly reviewed
and considered each of Gorden's suggestions.  Please distribute our comments
to your list as appropriate. 

I would like to say that Gorden has done an excellent job of scoping out
several suggested changes.  The attached document from ARRIS contains any
agreements with his recommendations, along with a couple of additional
comments.  ARRIS would be very interested with discussing our comments with
you, and others on your distribution list at your convenience. 

Thank you both for your efforts in working to clean up this MIB's contents.
With the joint cooperation of tComLabs and the MTA vendors, I feel confident
we can all move towards a successful certification wave in ECW13. 

Regards, 
Rick Morris 
ARRIS, SrMgr - Engineering, Certification and Standards 
+001 770 622 8619 









	"Wim De Ketelaere" <deketelaere@tcomlabs.com> 


07/03/2003 01:53 PM 


        
        To:        <rick.morris@arrisi.com> 
        cc:        <Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com> 
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Hi Rick,

Here's the document !

Thanks,
 Best regards,
   Wim








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Kumar</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D234102615-01082003><FONT face=3DArial =
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Instruments</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Beacham =
Gordon-CGB005=20
  [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 28, =
2003=20
  5:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'ipcdn@ietf.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [ipcdn] FW: =

  Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft =
01<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><FONT =
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  <P>Rick,</FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3>=20
  </FONT></P></FONT>
  <P>Thanks for your review of the signaling MIB recommendations and =
for=20
  providing additional suggestions.</P>
  <P>For items 1-5 and 7,8, and 10&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D429272417-28072003>there is=20
  substantial agreement, and </SPAN>I have made the changes =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003>indicated </SPAN>in the open issues =
list<SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003> (as posted on the IPCDN web site and =
included in=20
  your document)</SPAN>, however, there is one&nbsp;<SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003>minor </SPAN>exception&nbsp; item 8. It =
turns=20
  out&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D429272417-28072003>that </SPAN>sixteenthousand =
is more=20
  commonly used than twelvethousand. Consequently, the description and =
default=20
  are recommended to be sixteenthousand not twelvethousand.<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman"> </P></FONT>
  <P>For item 9, Motorola agrees with the default change =
recommended.<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman"> </P></FONT>
  <P>For item 11, Motorola agrees with the recommendation to obsolete =
these=20
  objects. These objects are product hardware design issues.<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman"> </P></FONT>
  <P>For item 6,&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D429272417-28072003>Motorola, =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003>a</SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D429272417-28072003>fter further=20
  review&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=3D429272417-28072003>determined that =
there is=20
  already an object for setting the level for dtmf or any other tone =
(<SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Batang; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; =
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  color=3D#000000>pktcSigDevToneDbLevel)</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003>, which can vary by geographic =
location</SPAN>.<SPAN=20
  class=3D429272417-28072003> Consequently, the only change recommended =
for item 6=20
  then is the addition of 3 user defined tones.</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN class=3D429272417-28072003>For item 12, Motorola does not =
agree with=20
  obsoleting these objects<SPAN class=3D429272417-28072003>. The dial =
pulse=20
  objects vary by geographic location (e.g., NA, Europe, Japan, etc), =
and need=20
  to be retained in order to be adjusted as necessary by the=20
  operator</SPAN>.</SPAN></P><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">
  <P>Gordon Beacham</P>
  <P>Digital Core Gateways, BCS</P>
  <P>Motorola, Inc.</P>
  <P>858-404-2335</P>
  <P>gordon.beacham@motorola.com</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
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  01<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Wim and =
Gorden,</FONT>=20
  <BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>I apologize for the length of =
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wanted to=20
  make sure that we had thoroughly reviewed and considered each of =
Gorden's=20
  suggestions. &nbsp;Please distribute our comments to your list as=20
  appropriate.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>I would like =
to say that=20
  Gorden has done an excellent job of scoping out several suggested =
changes.=20
  &nbsp;The attached document from ARRIS contains any agreements with =
his=20
  recommendations, along with a couple of additional comments. =
&nbsp;ARRIS would=20
  be very interested with discussing our comments with you, and others =
on your=20
  distribution list at your convenience.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D1>Thank you both for your efforts in working to clean up this =
MIB's=20
  contents. &nbsp;With the joint cooperation of tComLabs and the MTA =
vendors, I=20
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wave in=20
  ECW13.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Regards,</FONT> =
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I did a quick check/scan.

I also see references to RTP... should the AVT WG be=20
informed about this work, so they can check?

1. Long lines can be handled by RFC-Editor,=20
   non-US-ASCII characters are more problemsome, cause
   they appear in the MIB MOdule

   $ /bin/checkpage.awk < drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
   Long line at 25 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 92 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 1059 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 1086 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Bad chars at 1947
   Long line at 2172 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2365 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2523 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2533 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Bad chars at 2927
   Bad chars at 2930
   -: 3 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters
   -: 8 lines longer than 72 characters, max 73

2. smilint discovered issues:

   C:\smi\mibs\ietf>smilint -m -s -l 6 -i namelength-32 ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-M=
IB
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:1115: [5] {index-element-accessible} index element
     `pktcSigDevToneType' of row `pktcSigDevToneEntry' should be
      not-accessible in SMIv2 MIB
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:2069: [6] {} implicit node definition
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:1883: [5] {inetaddress-inetaddresstype} `InetAddre=
ss'
     object should have an accompanied preceding `InetAdressType' object

3. Did you consider to change:
     pktcSigNotification  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcSigMib 2 0 }
   Into
     pktcSigNotification  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcSigMib 0 }
   Makes any notifications (if ever defined) one subid shorter.
   If there are no notifications, might also just delete that line
   (and the talk about notifications in sect 3.1 and 3.3
   If you need to define NOTIFICATIONs in the future, you need
   to open up the doc anyway.

4. Might want to expand MTA in the document title

5. Why is there a "reserved" value in the following?
   Is it maybe because ncs(3) needs to be 3 cause that is a number/value
   used/assigned in some other spec, and so you create a reserved(2) in
   order to have sequential enumeration?

     PktcSigType     ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " This object lists the various types of signaling that may
             be supported.
             ncs - Network call signaling is a derivation of MGCP
                   (Media Gateway Control Protocol) defined for
                   PacketCable and IPCablecom MTAs. "
        SYNTAX INTEGER {
                      other(1),
                      reserved(2), -- reserved for future use
                      ncs(3)

6. In=20
   pktcSigDevCodecEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX      PktcSigDevCodecEntry
       MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
       STATUS      current
       DESCRIPTION
           " List of supported codec types for the MTA."
    It seems this an "Entry" is not a "list of" but just a
    single codec type, no? So maybe better
       DESCRIPTION
           "Each entry represents a supported codec type for the MTA."

    Similar questions for other DESCRIPTION clauses in other xxxEntry
    definitions

7.    pktcSigDevCodecIndex  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX      Unsigned32 (1..255)
    Will there be max 255 for now and forever? If there is any change
    that there could be more, why not allow for a larger range, like
    32K or 64K or so?

8. pktcSigDevCodecMax ??=20
   Maybe a better name: pktcSigDevCodecMaxSimSessions ?

9. Shows my ignorance in this field:
   pktcSigDevEchoCancellation is that a "device" capability or a
   "codec" capability? If the latter then maybe it should go
   in the table?

10. pktcSigServiceClassNameUS and  pktcSigServiceClassNameDS
    Kind of strange to see a UTF-8 based SYNTAX being used while
    the DESCRIPTION says that the content MUST be ASCII printable
    characters. Why is that needed? if it is indeed needed, you
    may add the explanation. And if that is a valid argument,
    and if we do not expect internationalization in the future,
    then we might be better of to use DisplayString TC instead.

11. pktcSigServiceClassNameMask
    I do not understand how the value of the Integer32 contains
    a mask and which "mask" bits would control what. Is that
    just me?

12. pktcSigPulseSignalTable
    Mmm... so a NMS cannot create entries, right?
    But it can SET (write) some values.
    Pls specify the persistence of such written values. Will they
    survive a reboot or agent restart? Either make it fixed
    for the whoile table (then you put it in Table or Entry=20
    DESCRIPTION clause, or make it variable per entry by using
    a StorageType object in each row

13. same for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable and pktcSigDevToneTable

14. pktcSigEndPntConfigTable is a read-create table.
    That means we need to see RowStatus object to control such
    creation and deletion.=20
    Also need to specify persistence behaviour of this table
    as for other tables above.

15. Same for pktcSigEndPntConfigTable

16. pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId contains in DESCRIPTION clause
    an example:
             (e.g.,: ca@abc.def.com).
    According to ID-NITs, that should be something aka
             (e.g.,: ca@example.com).
Thanks,
Bert=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 2:53
To: Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com; Rick.Morris@arrisi.com; Wim De Ketelaere=
; ipcdn@ietf.org
Cc: billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com; Satish Kumar at Texa=
s Instruments; Sumanth Channabasappa; Rick Vetter
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft=
 01


All,

The co-authors of the ipcdn IPCablecom/PacketCable sig mib intend to addr=
ess all the pending comments including those received during WGLC by Augu=
st 8 and release an updated draft by August 15.

Gordon Beacham, Satish Kumar and a couple of us from the packetcable oss =
team spent some time today to try to review the comments and address them=
. Here are the notes I took to document the consensus we had.
Please review & comment by August 5, 2003.
Jean-Francois.


 =20
--- Participants
Gordon Beacham - Motorola
Robert Lund - Terayon
Satish Kumar - TI
Paul Duffy - Cisco
Eugene Nechamkin - Broadcom
Rick Vetter - Lemur Networks
Jean-Francois Mule - CableLabs

--- Notes for ipcdn distribution
ipcdn documents we reviewed:
 - Signaling MIB
  ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.t=
xt

+ Comments on draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
We have 3 sets of comments on the ipcdn sig MIB from the WGLC review:
 1.a) List of outstanding issues provided by Gordon
 1.b) Proposal to consider PacketCable Engineering Change Request
      mibsig-o-03004-v3 - additional input
 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes
-----------------------------------
 1.a) Review of outstanding issues provided by Gordon
http://www.ipcdn.org/meetings/sigmib-01-outstanding-issues.html
Note that Arris also provided input on these at:
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/ipcdn/current/msg00754.h=
tml

- Issue 1 - pktcSigDevCodecTable=20
Motorola (Gordon) and Arris' proposal was to delete this object
(i.e. delete it in the IETF version of the mib). We (Paul, Rik,
Eugene, Jean-Francois) had consensus that having knowledge of the MTA
supported codecs can actually serve to the operators.
 Consensus: we must not delete the codec table object.
We discussed pktcSigDevCodecTable along with 1.b) mibsig-o-03004-v3
which is a proposal to enhance the table by adding several objects.
Jean-Francois expressed various comments on the motivations of this
ECO - I'll start a separate thread. Rick & Eugene also expressed why
they believe it is needed. Overall, there is no consensus on this ECO
and, it needs to be discussed on the list.
More opinions must be expressed on the mailing list. See separate
thread to follow.

AI:
  - Rick to send proposed ECO to ipcdn list for full disclosure
  - team to review ECO mibsig-o-03004-v3 and make comments.

- Issue 2 - PktcSigDevConnectionMode
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete object.

- Issue 3 - pktcSigPowerRingFrequency
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
No consensus , Eugene & Paul to send comments on this one.

- Issue 4 - PktcSigPCMCoding
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete object.

- Issue 5 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigNomJitterBufferSize =20
            pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxJitterBufferSize
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete objects.

- Issue 6 - PktcSigDevToneType
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  1/ keep DTMF 0-15 as read-write (Gordon agrees)
  2/ add 3 user-defined tones

- Issue 7 - pktcSigPulseSignalDuration
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20
by
>   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20

And replace
< pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20
by
> pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20

- Issue 8 - pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20
<                    zero (1), =20
<                    fifty(2), =20
<                    twelvethousand(3), =20
<                    sixteenthousand(4)=20
<       }            =20
with
>   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20
>                    zero (1), =20
>                    twelvethousand(2), =20
>                    sixteenthousand(3)=20
>       }
and make DEFVAL sixteenthousand(3)


- Issue 9 - pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-250..150) =20
with
>  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>      SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-200..30) =20


- Issue 10 =20
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigTxGain, pktcNcsEndPntConfigRxGain

- Issue 11
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigOffHookDebounce, pktcNcsEndPntConfigOnHookDeb=
ounce

- Issue 12
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
For the objects below, redefine the range to be based on real-world
mins
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash.

For e.g.,
replace
< pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..200) =20
with
> pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (20..200) =20

-----------------------------------
 1.b) Proposal to consider mibsig-o-03004-v3 as additional input
 We addressed this proposal as part of issue #1.
 No consensus, more text on the mailing lists.

-----------------------------------
 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes
- PktcRingCadence - need to know the MSB
 Team debated that this is covered by SNMP STD RFCs. interval(0) is
MSB; we found RFC 2579 section 3.1. as a possible normative reference
for this. Team is ok with Satish proposing one sentence to clarify
text.

- pktcSigServiceClassNameMask =20
   Satish raised a comment re: syntax of this object. What does it
mean to have a non-zero value for the mask?
   Eugene said: see DOCSIS RFI 1.1 page 144, IP classifier def has 3
masks:
"   IP Classification Parameters: zero or more of the IP classification
parameters (IP TOS Range/Mask, IP Protocol, IP Source Address/Mask, IP
Destination Address/Mask, TCP/UDP Source Port Start, TCP/UDP Source
Port End, TCP/UDP Destination Port Start, TCP/UCP Destination Port
End)"
=3D> the question still remains:
We dismissed the TOS masks in DOCSIS mibs so we eliminated that one.
Still, is the mask defined in pktcSigServiceClassNameMask applicable to I=
P
source mask or destination or both?
AI: Based upon the answer, revise description clause.
   pktcSigServiceClassNameMask  OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX     Integer32
        MAX-ACCESS  read-write
        STATUS     current
        DESCRIPTION
            " This object contains a value used for the NCS Call
              Signaling classifier mask. If this object is set to a
              zero value, an MTA MUST delete both NCS SFs. When
              this object is set to a non-zero value, an MTA MUST
              create the NCS SF for which the corresponding MIB object
              (pktcSigServiceClassNameUS  or pktcSigServiceClassNameDS)
              has a non-empty value, if the NCS SF does not already
              exist."
        DEFVAL { 0 }
        ::=3D { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 14 }

- pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount=20
  do we need a DEFVAL for this object?
  AI: team to comment
    pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount    OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times
             to repeat the pulse."
       ::=3D{ pktcSigPulseSignalEntry 6 }

- pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry
   Nit: junk char in description
   pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX        PktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry
       MAX-ACCESS    not-accessible
       STATUS        current
       DESCRIPTION
           " Entries in pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable =FB Each entry describes
->                                             ^^^^
             what signaling type a particular endpoint uses."



>end.=20

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Satish,

I'm not sure I understand the email you sent today.
You wrote:
> Gordon,
> Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
> I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

You attended the meeting yesterday where we discussed those same =
outstanding issues on the signaling MIB, right? You were also in copy of =
the meeting notes I sent to ipcdn and asking for comments.  Did you read =
the decisions logged in the notes?

For e.g.,
On Issue #1, see my notes, consensus is to *not* delete the object, =
hence Gordon's proposal was rejected by some of us.=20
On Issue #2 - #11 - same comments. Please read the notes I sent and =
comment on the thread!
On Issue #12, the proposal made by Gordon is to simply redefine the =
range for those objects, not delete them. I don't understand your =
comment here either.=20

Please clarify your statement below.=20
Jean-Fran=E7ois=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments=20
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Beacham Gordon-CGB005'; 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG =
draft 01


Gordon,
Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
-----Original Message-----
From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:52 PM
To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft 01


Rick,=20
Thanks for your review of the signaling MIB recommendations and for =
providing additional suggestions.
For items 1-5 and 7,8, and 10 there is substantial agreement, and I have =
made the changes as indicated in the open issues list (as posted on the =
IPCDN web site and included in your document), however, there is one =
minor exception  item 8. It turns out that sixteenthousand is more =
commonly used than twelvethousand. Consequently, the description and =
default are recommended to be sixteenthousand not twelvethousand.=20
For item 9, Motorola agrees with the default change recommended.=20
For item 11, Motorola agrees with the recommendation to obsolete these =
objects. These objects are product hardware design issues.=20
For item 6, Motorola, after further review determined that there is =
already an object for setting the level for dtmf or any other tone =
(pktcSigDevToneDbLevel), which can vary by geographic location. =
Consequently, the only change recommended for item 6 then is the =
addition of 3 user defined tones.
For item 12, Motorola does not agree with obsoleting these objects. The =
dial pulse objects vary by geographic location (e.g., NA, Europe, Japan, =
etc), and need to be retained in order to be adjusted as necessary by =
the operator.
Gordon Beacham
Digital Core Gateways, BCS
Motorola, Inc.
858-404-2335
gordon.beacham@motorola.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick.Morris@arrisi.com [mailto:Rick.Morris@arrisi.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:08 PM
To: Wim De Ketelaere
Cc: Gordon Beacham; billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIB draft 01



Wim and Gorden,=20

I apologize for the length of time it has taken me to get this response =
back to you.     However, we wanted to make sure that we had thoroughly =
reviewed and considered each of Gorden's suggestions.  Please distribute =
our comments to your list as appropriate.=20

I would like to say that Gorden has done an excellent job of scoping out =
several suggested changes.  The attached document from ARRIS contains =
any agreements with his recommendations, along with a couple of =
additional comments.  ARRIS would be very interested with discussing our =
comments with you, and others on your distribution list at your =
convenience.=20

Thank you both for your efforts in working to clean up this MIB's =
contents.  With the joint cooperation of tComLabs and the MTA vendors, I =
feel confident we can all move towards a successful certification wave =
in ECW13.=20

Regards,=20
Rick Morris=20
ARRIS, SrMgr - Engineering, Certification and Standards=20
+001 770 622 8619=20








"Wim De Ketelaere" <deketelaere@tcomlabs.com>=20
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Hi Rick,

Here's the document !

Thanks,
 Best regards,
   Wim

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I think this would be ok but where would we discuss
some of the related works that we may want to align
between CableLab and IETF WG(s), for example netconf
and ipfix (may be useful for Cable customers).

Thanks,
Azlina

Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> WG participants, 
> 
> The current INT ADs, the WG chairs and I have been discussing
> this WG and where it sits. Since the WG does only MIB work,
> it seems wise to just move the WG to the OPS area and let
> it report to me. I am currently discussing this with the 
> IESG and IAB. If you have any other input, pls post to the
> list.
> 
> Below is the proposed re-charter text. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bert, Thomas, Margaret
> ------ draft re-charter text for IPCDN WG ----
> 
> Status: re-charter text, not yet approved by IESG
> 
> Chair(s):
> 
>   Richard Woundy <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
>   Jean-Francois Mule <jf.mule@cablelabs.com>
> 
> Operations and Management Area Director(s):
>   Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
>   Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>
> 
> Operations and Management Area Advisor:
>   Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>
> 
> Mailing Lists:
>   General Discussion: ipcdn@ietf.org
>   To Subscribe: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn
>   Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ipcdn
> 
> Description of Working Group: 
> 
>   The IETF IPCDN Working Group develops and standardizes MIBs
>   for IP-capable data-over-cable systems, for example cable
>   modems, multimedia terminal adapters and associated
>   cable-data equipment in a cable headend. 
>   These MIBs cover not only cable data interfaces, but also
>   management of cable-data equipment and systems. 
> 
>   The WG mailing list may be used discussion of Internet-related
>   issues in data-over-cable equipment and systems. In the event
>   of a particular new Internet technology issue arising in the
>   cable-data context, the WG will identify whether that is best
>   handled within the IETF or is best handled by another standards
>   body. In the event that new IETF MIB work, the WG chairs can
>   discuss additional WG work items with the AD. Such additions
>   will have to go through normal re-charter process.
>   If non-MIB work gets identified, such items are not normal
>   work items for this IPCDN-MIB WG and must go through normal
>   IETF new WG chartering process.
> 
>   Standardization of MIBs for DOCSIS, PacketCable and CableHome
>   systems are explicitly within the scope of the IPCDN Working
>   Group.
> 
>   The IPCDN WG will also keep informed on what other groups in
>   the industry are doing as it relates to the efforts of this
>   working group.
> 
>   The WG will align its specifications with IPv6 and SNMP STD.
> 
> 
> Related groups: 
> 
>   CableLabs (http://www.cablelabs.com/) is structured into projects.
>   In its Cable Modem/DOCSIS project, CableLabs has produced three
>   generations of data over cable specifications: DOCSIS 1.0,
>   DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.  
>   In its PacketCable project, CableLabs has produced one generation
>   of interface specifications for delivering real-time multimedia
>   services over DOCSIS (http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/).
>   Internationally, IPCablecom is the global name associated
>   with the extensions & global standardization of PacketCable
>   in ETSI & ITU-T SG9.
>   In its CableHome project, CableLabs has produced one generation
>   of interface specifications for extending manageability for
>   customer care to the residential gateway or home router device
>   connected to the Internet through a DOCSIS-compliant cable modem
>   (http://www.cablelabs.com/projects/cablehome/).
> 
>   DOCSIS 1.0 includes specifications for a bidirectional
>   data-over-cable interface (RFI, or Radio Frequency Interface)
>   and a data privacy service (BPI, or Baseline Privacy Interface).
>   The key devices in a DOCSIS network are the Cable Modem (CM, the
>   device at the subscriber premise) and the Cable Modem Termination
>   System (CMTS, the device at the cable headend). For DOCSIS 1.0
>   systems, the IPCDN WG has published the Cable Device MIB
>   (RFC 2669), the RF Interface MIB (RFC 2670), and the Baseline
>   Privacy MIB (RFC 3083).
> 
>   DOCSIS 1.1 extends the DOCSIS 1.0 specifications to support
>   better quality of service parameters (RFIv1.1), to enable
>   operation in European cable networks (EuroDOCSIS), and to
>   authenticate modems and firmware images (BPI+). The IPCDN WG
>   will update the Cable Device and Radio Frequency MIBs for
>   DOCSIS 1.1, and repair flaws discovered in operational use.
>   Other IPCDN WG documents will address the operational and
>   management issues for new DOCSIS 1.1 functional components
>   (e.g. BPI+), for subscriber device management, and for
>   uniform event notification.
> 
>   DOCSIS 2.0 enhances the DOCSIS 1.1 specifications at the
>   physical layer, in particular to support two new physical
>   layer encodings: S-CDMA and A-TDMA. The IPCDN WG will update
>   the Radio Frequency MIB for DOCSIS 2.0.
> 
>   PacketCable 1.0 is built on top of the DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem 
>   infrastructure and it includes a suite of interface
>   specifications covering multimedia terminal adapter (MTA)
>   device provisioning, voice over IP session signaling, QoS
>   signaling based on IETF standards. The key systems in a
>   PacketCable network are the multimedia terminal adapter (MTA),
>   a Call Management Server (CMS), a PacketCable-compliant 
>   DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS, Media Gateway Controllers, Media Gateways
>   along with back-office systems. In ITU-T SG-9 and ETSI AT,
>   IPCableCom has standardized PacketCable to create a set of
>   international standards.
> 
>   CableHome 1.0 is a set of specifications for residential
>   gateway or home router functionality standardizing methods
>   for implementing address acquisition, device configuration
>   and management, network address translation, event reporting,
>   remote connectivity diagnostics, secure software download,
>   firewall policy file download, firewall monitoring,
>   management parameter access control and other residential
>   gateway functionality. By standardizing these features,
>   CableHome 1.0 specifications enable cable operators to
>   deliver high-value, managed broadband services to their
>   high-speed data service subscribers, through a DOCSIS cable
>   modem.
> 
> 
> Work items:
> 
>   The IPCDN WG will address issues related to network management,
>   especially as they concern HFC access networks. It is expected
>   that other services (i.e. RSVP, IPSEC, etc.) will operate
>   mostly unmodified.
> 
>   The specific work items include
> 
>   -- DOCSIS,
>      - publish MIB documents for:
>        - subscriber device management on a DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS,
>        - managing the quality of service parameters for a
>          DOCSIS 1.1 device,
>        - managing the Baseline Privacy Plus system for a
>          DOCSIS 1.1 device,
>        - uniform event notification on a DOCSIS 1.1 device,
>      - revise MIB documents for:
>        - DOCSIS 1.0 RF Interface MIB to support EuroDOCSIS
>          parameters and DOCSIS 2.0 physical layer management,
>        - the DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Device MIBs to address SNMPv3
>          and IPv6 compliance and interoperability issues,
> 
>   -- IPCablecom & PacketCable
>      - publish MIB documents for:
>        - managing the device parameters of
>          PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
>        - managing the signaling parameters of 
>          PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
>        - managing events for PacketCable/IPCablecom systems,
> 
>   -- CableHome
>      - publish MIB documents for:
>        - managing attributes of a residential gateway or 
>          home router device,
>        - managing private address-to-public address mappings
>          for a residential gateway or home router device,
>        - managing the address lease acquistion client and the
>          address lease server functionality of a residential
>          gateway or home router device,
>        - managing diagnostic utilities used to remotely test
>          the connectivity between a residential gateway and
>          privately-addressed LAN hosts,
>        - managing firewall attributes, monitoring firewall
>          attacks, and managing security certificates in a
>          residential gateway or home router device,
>        - managing QoS configuration in a residential
>          gateway or home router device.
> 
> Goals and Milestones:
> 
> Done    Post final I-D on Baseline Privacy MIB; Last call  
> 
> Done    Post I-Ds revising RF and CM MIBs to support DOCSIS1.1
>         and for compliance with SNMPv3 and IPv6  
> 
> Done    Submit Baseline Privacy MIB to IESG for publication as
>         a Standards Track RFC  
> 
> Aug 03  Submit DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB to IESG for
>         consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 
> Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS 1.1 QoS MIB to IESG for consideration as a
>         Standards Track RFC
> 
> Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS BPI+ MIB to IESG for consideration as a
>         Standards Track RFC
> 
> Sep 03  Submit updated DOCSIS RF MIB to IESG for consideration
>         as a Standards Track RFC (Proposed Standard)
> 
> Sep 03  Submit updated DOCSIS Cable Device MIB to IESG for
>         consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 
> Sep 03  Submit DOCSIS Event Notification MIB to IESG for
>         consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 
> Sep 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA device MIB to IESG
>         for consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 	
> Sep 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA signaling MIB to IESG
>         for consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 
> Nov 03  Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA event MIB to IESG for 
>         consideration as a Standards Track RFC
> 
> Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing residential gateway or 
>         home router device to IESG for consideration as 
>         Standards Track RFC,
> 
> Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for MIB for managing private 
>         address-to-public address mappings for a residential 
>         gateway or home router device to IESG for consideration
>         as Standards Track RFC,
> 
> Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing the address lease
>         acquistion client and the  address lease server
>         functionality of a residential gateway or home router
>         device to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,
> 
> Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing diagnostic utilities
>         used to remotely test the connectivity between a residential
>         gateway and privately-addressed LAN hosts to IESG for
>         consideration as Standards Track RFC,
> 
> Nov 03  Submit Cablehome MIB for managing firewall attributes, 
>         monitoring firewall attacks, and managing security
>         certificates in a residential gateway or home router device
>         to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,
> 
> Feb 04  Revaluate charter and milestones or conclude wg.
> 
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Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
>>I think this would be ok but where would we discuss
>>some of the related works that we may want to align
>>between CableLab and IETF WG(s), for example netconf
>>and ipfix (may be useful for Cable customers).
>>
> Seems to me that the respective working groups are the 
> proper places to discuss you issues/concerns/questions.
> Does that not make sense?

If you are refering to IETF WGs then I don't see any
CableLabs nor Cable Customers in these groups to
represent Cable issues/concerns/questions :(

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Jean-Fran=E7ois,
 Sorry for all the confusion.. I missed a portion of the call yesterday
which resulted the confusing mail. I did gone thru your comments =
proposed on
IPCDN and here is my openon on each item. My comments matches to your
postings in Ipcdn. This overides my all earlier mails

issue#1: Agreed, NOT to delete the pktcSigDevCodecTable untill the new
proposal is thru(mibsig-o-03004)
issue#2: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#3: Agreed to change MIBs to read-only
issue#4: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#5: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#6: Agreed to retain DTMF 0-15
issue#7: Agreed to change the range in SYNTAX
issue#8: Agreed to remove fifty(2) and reword description
issue#9: Agreed to change the range
issue#10: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#11: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#12: Agreed to change the range, not to obsolete the MIB(discard
earlier mail)

My action item(one sentence summary) for PktcRingCadence:=20
Current text: 64 bits MUST be used for cadence representation.
Proposed text: 64 bits MUST be used for cadence representation with
interval1(bit0) as MSB.=20

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Kumar, Satish; Beacham Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
draft 01


Satish,

I'm not sure I understand the email you sent today.
You wrote:
> Gordon,
> Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
> I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

You attended the meeting yesterday where we discussed those same =
outstanding
issues on the signaling MIB, right? You were also in copy of the =
meeting
notes I sent to ipcdn and asking for comments.  Did you read the =
decisions
logged in the notes?

For e.g.,
On Issue #1, see my notes, consensus is to *not* delete the object, =
hence
Gordon's proposal was rejected by some of us.=20
On Issue #2 - #11 - same comments. Please read the notes I sent and =
comment
on the thread!
On Issue #12, the proposal made by Gordon is to simply redefine the =
range
for those objects, not delete them. I don't understand your comment =
here
either.=20

Please clarify your statement below.=20
Jean-Fran=E7ois=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments=20
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Beacham Gordon-CGB005'; 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG =
draft 01


Gordon,
Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
-----Original Message-----
From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:52 PM
To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft =
01


Rick,=20
Thanks for your review of the signaling MIB recommendations and for
providing additional suggestions.
For items 1-5 and 7,8, and 10 there is substantial agreement, and I =
have
made the changes as indicated in the open issues list (as posted on the
IPCDN web site and included in your document), however, there is one =
minor
exception  item 8. It turns out that sixteenthousand is more commonly =
used
than twelvethousand. Consequently, the description and default are
recommended to be sixteenthousand not twelvethousand.=20
For item 9, Motorola agrees with the default change recommended.=20
For item 11, Motorola agrees with the recommendation to obsolete these
objects. These objects are product hardware design issues.=20
For item 6, Motorola, after further review determined that there is =
already
an object for setting the level for dtmf or any other tone
(pktcSigDevToneDbLevel), which can vary by geographic location.
Consequently, the only change recommended for item 6 then is the =
addition of
3 user defined tones.
For item 12, Motorola does not agree with obsoleting these objects. The =
dial
pulse objects vary by geographic location (e.g., NA, Europe, Japan, =
etc),
and need to be retained in order to be adjusted as necessary by the
operator.
Gordon Beacham
Digital Core Gateways, BCS
Motorola, Inc.
858-404-2335
gordon.beacham@motorola.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick.Morris@arrisi.com [mailto:Rick.Morris@arrisi.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:08 PM
To: Wim De Ketelaere
Cc: Gordon Beacham; billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIB draft 01



Wim and Gorden,=20

I apologize for the length of time it has taken me to get this response =
back
to you.     However, we wanted to make sure that we had thoroughly =
reviewed
and considered each of Gorden's suggestions.  Please distribute our =
comments
to your list as appropriate.=20

I would like to say that Gorden has done an excellent job of scoping =
out
several suggested changes.  The attached document from ARRIS contains =
any
agreements with his recommendations, along with a couple of additional
comments.  ARRIS would be very interested with discussing our comments =
with
you, and others on your distribution list at your convenience.=20

Thank you both for your efforts in working to clean up this MIB's =
contents.
With the joint cooperation of tComLabs and the MTA vendors, I feel =
confident
we can all move towards a successful certification wave in ECW13.=20

Regards,=20
Rick Morris=20
ARRIS, SrMgr - Engineering, Certification and Standards=20
+001 770 622 8619=20








"Wim De Ketelaere" <deketelaere@tcomlabs.com>=20
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01



Hi Rick,

Here's the document !

Thanks,
 Best regards,
   Wim

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> 
> I think this would be ok but where would we discuss
> some of the related works that we may want to align
> between CableLab and IETF WG(s), for example netconf
> and ipfix (may be useful for Cable customers).
> 
Seems to me that the respective working groups are the 
proper places to discuss you issues/concerns/questions.
Does that not make sense?

Bert
> Thanks,
> Azlina
> 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Azlina Ahmad [mailto:azlina@cisco.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 22:37
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [ipcdn] WG-recharter and moving to OPS area
> 
> 
> Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> >>I think this would be ok but where would we discuss
> >>some of the related works that we may want to align
> >>between CableLab and IETF WG(s), for example netconf
> >>and ipfix (may be useful for Cable customers).
> >>
> > Seems to me that the respective working groups are the 
> > proper places to discuss you issues/concerns/questions.
> > Does that not make sense?
> 
> If you are refering to IETF WGs then I don't see any
> CableLabs nor Cable Customers in these groups to
> represent Cable issues/concerns/questions :(
> 
Sorry, I do not understand this. If any CableXxx people
feel they have input/questions/concerns or whatever,
then they can just participate on the mailing lists?

Am I missing something here?

Bert
> Thanks,
> Azlina
> 

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>>>
>>>Seems to me that the respective working groups are the 
>>>proper places to discuss you issues/concerns/questions.
>>>Does that not make sense?
>>
>>If you are refering to IETF WGs then I don't see any
>>CableLabs nor Cable Customers in these groups to
>>represent Cable issues/concerns/questions :(
>>
> 
> Sorry, I do not understand this. If any CableXxx people
> feel they have input/questions/concerns or whatever,
> then they can just participate on the mailing lists?
> 
> Am I missing something here?

Nope, I just feel that it would be great if ipcdn
WG could take on more then just MIB works/standardization.

If the consensus is to just focus on MIBs,
I don't have any problem either.

Thanks,
Azlina


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I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following question: if =
we agree to make clarification in PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an =
MSB, then why don't we do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and =
we have several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ?=20

Eugene.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kumar, Satish [mailto:satish.kumar@ti.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:40 PM
To: 'Jean-Francois Mule'; Beacham Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
draft 01


Jean-Fran=E7ois,
 Sorry for all the confusion.. I missed a portion of the call yesterday
which resulted the confusing mail. I did gone thru your comments =
proposed on
IPCDN and here is my openon on each item. My comments matches to your
postings in Ipcdn. This overides my all earlier mails

issue#1: Agreed, NOT to delete the pktcSigDevCodecTable untill the new
proposal is thru(mibsig-o-03004)
issue#2: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#3: Agreed to change MIBs to read-only
issue#4: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#5: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#6: Agreed to retain DTMF 0-15
issue#7: Agreed to change the range in SYNTAX
issue#8: Agreed to remove fifty(2) and reword description
issue#9: Agreed to change the range
issue#10: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#11: Agreed to obsolete the MIBs
issue#12: Agreed to change the range, not to obsolete the MIB(discard
earlier mail)

My action item(one sentence summary) for PktcRingCadence:=20
Current text: 64 bits MUST be used for cadence representation.
Proposed text: 64 bits MUST be used for cadence representation with
interval1(bit0) as MSB.=20

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Kumar, Satish; Beacham Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
draft 01


Satish,

I'm not sure I understand the email you sent today.
You wrote:
> Gordon,
> Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
> I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

You attended the meeting yesterday where we discussed those same =
outstanding
issues on the signaling MIB, right? You were also in copy of the meeting
notes I sent to ipcdn and asking for comments.  Did you read the =
decisions
logged in the notes?

For e.g.,
On Issue #1, see my notes, consensus is to *not* delete the object, =
hence
Gordon's proposal was rejected by some of us.=20
On Issue #2 - #11 - same comments. Please read the notes I sent and =
comment
on the thread!
On Issue #12, the proposal made by Gordon is to simply redefine the =
range
for those objects, not delete them. I don't understand your comment here
either.=20

Please clarify your statement below.=20
Jean-Fran=E7ois=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments=20
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Beacham Gordon-CGB005'; 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG =
draft 01


Gordon,
Your comments from #1 to #11 on Signaling MIB are acceptable.=20
I am in favour to Obsolete the MIBS marked in comment #12.=20

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
-----Original Message-----
From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:52 PM
To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'
Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft 01


Rick,=20
Thanks for your review of the signaling MIB recommendations and for
providing additional suggestions.
For items 1-5 and 7,8, and 10 there is substantial agreement, and I have
made the changes as indicated in the open issues list (as posted on the
IPCDN web site and included in your document), however, there is one =
minor
exception  item 8. It turns out that sixteenthousand is more commonly =
used
than twelvethousand. Consequently, the description and default are
recommended to be sixteenthousand not twelvethousand.=20
For item 9, Motorola agrees with the default change recommended.=20
For item 11, Motorola agrees with the recommendation to obsolete these
objects. These objects are product hardware design issues.=20
For item 6, Motorola, after further review determined that there is =
already
an object for setting the level for dtmf or any other tone
(pktcSigDevToneDbLevel), which can vary by geographic location.
Consequently, the only change recommended for item 6 then is the =
addition of
3 user defined tones.
For item 12, Motorola does not agree with obsoleting these objects. The =
dial
pulse objects vary by geographic location (e.g., NA, Europe, Japan, =
etc),
and need to be retained in order to be adjusted as necessary by the
operator.
Gordon Beacham
Digital Core Gateways, BCS
Motorola, Inc.
858-404-2335
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick.Morris@arrisi.com [mailto:Rick.Morris@arrisi.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:08 PM
To: Wim De Ketelaere
Cc: Gordon Beacham; billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIB draft 01



Wim and Gorden,=20

I apologize for the length of time it has taken me to get this response =
back
to you.     However, we wanted to make sure that we had thoroughly =
reviewed
and considered each of Gorden's suggestions.  Please distribute our =
comments
to your list as appropriate.=20

I would like to say that Gorden has done an excellent job of scoping out
several suggested changes.  The attached document from ARRIS contains =
any
agreements with his recommendations, along with a couple of additional
comments.  ARRIS would be very interested with discussing our comments =
with
you, and others on your distribution list at your convenience.=20

Thank you both for your efforts in working to clean up this MIB's =
contents.
With the joint cooperation of tComLabs and the MTA vendors, I feel =
confident
we can all move towards a successful certification wave in ECW13.=20

Regards,=20
Rick Morris=20
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Hi Rick,

Here's the document !

Thanks,
 Best regards,
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> > Sorry, I do not understand this. If any CableXxx people
> > feel they have input/questions/concerns or whatever,
> > then they can just participate on the mailing lists?
> > 
> > Am I missing something here?
> 
> Nope, I just feel that it would be great if ipcdn
> WG could take on more then just MIB works/standardization.
> 
> If the consensus is to just focus on MIBs,
> I don't have any problem either.
> 
As far as I can tell, then ALL that this WG has done over the
last 4 years or so (maybe even longer) is just MIB work.
And it has not even been fast at that. 

All I saw on the new charter is MIB work. So that is why we 
consider moving it to OPS.

The specific two topics you mentioned already have active WGs
in the IETF and so the proper thing to do is to participate there
if Cable aspects need special consideration or if you worry that
they might ignore your needs.

Hope this helps, explains

Bert
> Thanks,
> Azlina
> 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following 
> question: if we agree to make clarification in 
> PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we 
> do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have 
> several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ? 
> 
If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
it explained when BITS are used.

Bert
> Eugene.
> 

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In theory, IPCDN could take on more work than just MIBs... but we haven't
had any work except MIBs for many years.

Any IETF working group is ultimately chartered to produce specifications and
guidelines, not just to discuss technical topics of interest.

There *are* cable folks that attend other IETF WGs. For example, I
participate frequently in the DHC WG, and Jean-Francois participates in the
SIP and SIPPING WGs. If I see a need to interact with other WGs, I join
their mailing lists and attend their WG sessions during IETF meetings.

You might take a look at <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2418.txt> on "IETF
Working Group Guidelines and Procedures". Especially note the differences
between a Birds of a Feather (BOF) and Working Group.

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Azlina Ahmad [mailto:azlina@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:08 PM
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Cc: Ipcdn (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [ipcdn] WG-recharter and moving to OPS area



>>>
>>>Seems to me that the respective working groups are the 
>>>proper places to discuss you issues/concerns/questions.
>>>Does that not make sense?
>>
>>If you are refering to IETF WGs then I don't see any
>>CableLabs nor Cable Customers in these groups to
>>represent Cable issues/concerns/questions :(
>>
> 
> Sorry, I do not understand this. If any CableXxx people
> feel they have input/questions/concerns or whatever,
> then they can just participate on the mailing lists?
> 
> Am I missing something here?

Nope, I just feel that it would be great if ipcdn
WG could take on more then just MIB works/standardization.

If the consensus is to just focus on MIBs,
I don't have any problem either.

Thanks,
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If we go with clarification for MSB, both MTA and Signaling MIB in total has
only THREE objects.
pktcRingCadence, pktcSigDevConnectionMode  ===> Signaling MIB
pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets===> MTA MIB

Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we need to quote RFC
reference in the MIB definition.

Thanks,
SatishK


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:34 PM
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following 
> question: if we agree to make clarification in 
> PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we 
> do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have 
> several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ? 
> 
If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
it explained when BITS are used.

Bert
> Eugene.
> 

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From: "Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft 
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Bert,

Thanks. I agree with your point that RFC 3416 section 2.5 explains the BITS
syntax very well... but it looks like we didn't realize that as we worked on
different IPCDN MIBs.

For example, from
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt>:

docsIfCmCapabilities OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX      BITS {
            atmCells(0),
            concatenation(1)
        }
        MAX-ACCESS  read-only
        STATUS      current
        DESCRIPTION
            "Identifies the capabilities of the MAC implementation
             at this interface. Note that packet transmission is
             always supported. Therefore, there is no specific bit
             required to explicitly indicate this capability.
             Note that BITS objects are encoded most significant bit
             first. For example, if bit 1 is set, the value of this
             object is the octet string '40'H."
        ::= { docsIfCmMacEntry 2 }

and from
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-08.txt>:

docsQosPktClassBitMap OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          BITS {              -- Reference SP-RFIv1.1-I09-020830
                        rulePriority(0),     -- Appendix C.2.1.3.4
                        activationState(1),  -- Appendix C.2.1.3.6
                        ipTos(2),            -- Appendix C.2.1.5.1
                        ipProtocol(3),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.2
                        ipSourceAddr(4),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.3
                        ipSourceMask(5),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.4
                        ipDestAddr(6),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.5
                        ipDestMask(7),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.6
                        sourcePortStart(8),  -- Appendix C.2.1.5.7
                        sourcePortEnd(9),    -- Appendix C.2.1.5.8
                        destPortStart(10),   -- Appendix C.2.1.5.9
                        destPortEnd(11),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.10
                        destMac(12),         -- Appendix C.2.1.6.1
                        sourceMac(13),       -- Appendix C.2.1.6.2
                        ethertype(14),       -- Appendix C.2.1.6.3
                        userPri(15),         -- Appendix C.2.1.7.1
                        vlanId(16)           -- Appendix C.2.1.7.2
                    }
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION
                    "This object indicates which parameter encodings were
                    actually present in the DOCSIS packet classifier
                    encoding signaled in the DOCSIS message that
                    created or modified the classifier. Note that
                    Dynamic Service Change messages have replace
                    semantics, so that all non-default parameters must
                    be present whether the classifier is being created
                    or changed.

                    A bit of of this object is set to 1 if the parameter
                    indicated by the comment was present in the classifier
                    encoding, and 0 otherwise.

                    Note that BITS are encoded most significant bit
                    first, so that if e.g. bits 6 and 7 are set, this object
                    is encoded as the octet string '030000'H.
                   "
    ::= { docsQosPktClassEntry 27 }

-- Rich

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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following 
> question: if we agree to make clarification in 
> PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we 
> do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have 
> several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ? 
> 
If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
it explained when BITS are used.

Bert
> Eugene.
> 

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        "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>
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That's exactly the reference I had in mind when was asking my inital =
question. I think it's better not to explain something which has a clear =
reference to the existing RFC.

Eugene.

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Bert,

Thanks. I agree with your point that RFC 3416 section 2.5 explains the =
BITS
syntax very well... but it looks like we didn't realize that as we =
worked on
different IPCDN MIBs.

For example, from
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt=
>:

docsIfCmCapabilities OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX      BITS {
            atmCells(0),
            concatenation(1)
        }
        MAX-ACCESS  read-only
        STATUS      current
        DESCRIPTION
            "Identifies the capabilities of the MAC implementation
             at this interface. Note that packet transmission is
             always supported. Therefore, there is no specific bit
             required to explicitly indicate this capability.
             Note that BITS objects are encoded most significant bit
             first. For example, if bit 1 is set, the value of this
             object is the octet string '40'H."
        ::=3D { docsIfCmMacEntry 2 }

and from
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-08.txt>:

docsQosPktClassBitMap OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          BITS {              -- Reference =
SP-RFIv1.1-I09-020830
                        rulePriority(0),     -- Appendix C.2.1.3.4
                        activationState(1),  -- Appendix C.2.1.3.6
                        ipTos(2),            -- Appendix C.2.1.5.1
                        ipProtocol(3),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.2
                        ipSourceAddr(4),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.3
                        ipSourceMask(5),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.4
                        ipDestAddr(6),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.5
                        ipDestMask(7),       -- Appendix C.2.1.5.6
                        sourcePortStart(8),  -- Appendix C.2.1.5.7
                        sourcePortEnd(9),    -- Appendix C.2.1.5.8
                        destPortStart(10),   -- Appendix C.2.1.5.9
                        destPortEnd(11),     -- Appendix C.2.1.5.10
                        destMac(12),         -- Appendix C.2.1.6.1
                        sourceMac(13),       -- Appendix C.2.1.6.2
                        ethertype(14),       -- Appendix C.2.1.6.3
                        userPri(15),         -- Appendix C.2.1.7.1
                        vlanId(16)           -- Appendix C.2.1.7.2
                    }
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION
                    "This object indicates which parameter encodings =
were
                    actually present in the DOCSIS packet classifier
                    encoding signaled in the DOCSIS message that
                    created or modified the classifier. Note that
                    Dynamic Service Change messages have replace
                    semantics, so that all non-default parameters must
                    be present whether the classifier is being created
                    or changed.

                    A bit of of this object is set to 1 if the parameter
                    indicated by the comment was present in the =
classifier
                    encoding, and 0 otherwise.

                    Note that BITS are encoded most significant bit
                    first, so that if e.g. bits 6 and 7 are set, this =
object
                    is encoded as the octet string '030000'H.
                   "
    ::=3D { docsQosPktClassEntry 27 }

-- Rich

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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:34 PM
To: Eugene Nechamkin; Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham
Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
draft 01



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
>=20
>=20
> I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following=20
> question: if we agree to make clarification in=20
> PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we=20
> do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have=20
> several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ?=20
>=20
If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
it explained when BITS are used.

Bert
> Eugene.
>=20

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woundy, Richard [mailto:Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:58
> To: 'Kumar, Satish'; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; Eugene Nechamkin;
> Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005
> Cc: ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> >Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we
> >need to quote RFC reference in the MIB definition.
> 
> But the reference to the BITS definition in RFCs 2578 and 
> 3416 are implied in all MIB internet-drafts, just as the definition 
> for INTEGER or OCTET STRING syntax.
> 
> I agree with Bert that the clarifications should be removed, for
> consistency's sake.
> 
Indeed. It seems a waste of time to repeat stuff that is kind
of standard for ALL MIB modules.

Bert
> -- Rich
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kumar, Satish [mailto:satish.kumar@ti.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:47 PM
> To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; Eugene Nechamkin; Jean-Francois 
> Mule; Beacham
> Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> If we go with clarification for MSB, both MTA and Signaling 
> MIB in total has
> only THREE objects.
> pktcRingCadence, pktcSigDevConnectionMode  ===> Signaling MIB
> pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets===> MTA MIB
> 
> Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we 
> need to quote RFC
> reference in the MIB definition.
> 
> Thanks,
> SatishK
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> > To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> > ipcdn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> > draft 01
> > 
> > 
> > I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following 
> > question: if we agree to make clarification in 
> > PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we 
> > do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have 
> > several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ? 
> > 
> If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
> and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
> to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
> is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
> it explained when BITS are used.
> 
> Bert
> > Eugene.
> > 
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> As far as I can tell, then ALL that this WG has done over the
> last 4 years or so (maybe even longer) is just MIB work.
> And it has not even been fast at that. 
> 
> All I saw on the new charter is MIB work. So that is why we 
> consider moving it to OPS.
> 
> The specific two topics you mentioned already have active WGs
> in the IETF and so the proper thing to do is to participate there
> if Cable aspects need special consideration or if you worry that
> they might ignore your needs.
> 
> Hope this helps, explains

Yes.

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>Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we
>need to quote RFC reference in the MIB definition.

But the reference to the BITS definition in RFCs 2578 and 3416 are implied
in all MIB internet-drafts, just as the definition for INTEGER or OCTET
STRING syntax.

I agree with Bert that the clarifications should be removed, for
consistency's sake.

-- Rich

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If we go with clarification for MSB, both MTA and Signaling MIB in total has
only THREE objects.
pktcRingCadence, pktcSigDevConnectionMode  ===> Signaling MIB
pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets===> MTA MIB

Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we need to quote RFC
reference in the MIB definition.

Thanks,
SatishK


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> draft 01
> 
> 
> I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following 
> question: if we agree to make clarification in 
> PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we 
> do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have 
> several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ? 
> 
If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
it explained when BITS are used.

Bert
> Eugene.
> 

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On Friday, at Jean-Francois' request,  I went ahead and submitted the -12
draft of the Docsis Subscriber Management MIB. It should be appearing soon
through the usual IETF publication process, as well as on the ipcdn web
site.

It is still lacking final text on the IPv4/IPv6 question, although recent
emails suggest that we are converging on wording. I'll republish with that
wording as soon as we've reached consensus.

The new draft also attempts to address a question from Kirk Friedman
regarding 'interface' usage.

Please review and get comments to me and to the WG mailing list.

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I posted the draft on the IPCDN website,
<http://www.ipcdn.org/drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt>.

As soon as it is also posted on the IETF website, we will start a two-week
WG last call...

-- Rich

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On Friday, at Jean-Francois' request,  I went ahead and submitted the -12
draft of the Docsis Subscriber Management MIB. It should be appearing soon
through the usual IETF publication process, as well as on the ipcdn web
site.

It is still lacking final text on the IPv4/IPv6 question, although recent
emails suggest that we are converging on wording. I'll republish with that
wording as soon as we've reached consensus.

The new draft also attempts to address a question from Kirk Friedman
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Please review and get comments to me and to the WG mailing list.

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This draft is a work item of the IP over Cable Data Network Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Management Information Base for Data Over Cable 
                          Service Interface Specification (DOCSIS) Cable Modem 
                          Termination Systems for Subscriber Management
	Author(s)	: W. Sawyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt
	Pages		: 23
	Date		: 2003-8-4
	
This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
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In particular, it defines a set of managed objects for SNMP-based
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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
  draft  01
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At 03:16 AM 8/2/2003 +0530, Kumar, Satish wrote:
>If we go with clarification for MSB, both MTA and Signaling MIB in total has
>only THREE objects.
>pktcRingCadence, pktcSigDevConnectionMode  ===> Signaling MIB
>pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets===> MTA MIB
>
>Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we need to quote RFC
>reference in the MIB definition.

Agreed.  Explicitly stating MSB would help (or explicitly reference 
appropriate RFC (exists?))


>Thanks,
>SatishK
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:34 PM
>To: Eugene Nechamkin; Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham
>Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
>draft 01
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> > To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> > ipcdn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> > draft 01
> >
> >
> > I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following
> > question: if we agree to make clarification in
> > PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we
> > do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have
> > several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ?
> >
>If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
>and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
>to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
>is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
>it explained when BITS are used.
>
>Bert
> > Eugene.
> >
>
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At 03:16 AM 8/2/2003 +0530, Kumar, Satish wrote:
>If we go with clarification for MSB, both MTA and Signaling MIB in total has
>only THREE objects.
>pktcRingCadence, pktcSigDevConnectionMode  ===> Signaling MIB
>pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets===> MTA MIB
>
>Adding clarification avoids unnessary confusion or else we need to quote RFC
>reference in the MIB definition.

Agreed.  Explicitly stating MSB would help (or explicitly reference 
appropriate RFC (exists?))


>Thanks,
>SatishK
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:34 PM
>To: Eugene Nechamkin; Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham
>Gordon-CGB005; ipcdn@ietf.org
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
>draft 01
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 23:10
> > To: Kumar, Satish; Jean-Francois Mule; Beacham Gordon-CGB005;
> > ipcdn@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
> > draft 01
> >
> >
> > I hate doing that but I cannot resist asking the following
> > question: if we agree to make clarification in
> > PktcRingCadence TC on bit-0 being an MSB, then why don't we
> > do the same with all other TCs of type BITS (and we have
> > several of them in both MTA and SIG MIBs) ?
> >
>If you look at the definition of BITS in RFC2579, sect 7.1.4
>and how they are encoded in RFC3416, sect 2.5, then it seems
>to me that there may be no need to go into details here,
>is there? In any event, I do not recall that I ever saw
>it explained when BITS are used.
>
>Bert
> > Eugene.
> >
>
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Folks,

I would like to start the working group last call for the DOCSIS Subscriber
Management MIB,
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt>
. The last call is scheduled to end on August 18th.

Please send comments (both positive and negative) to the ipcdn@ietf.org
mailing list reflector.

-- Richard Woundy and Jean-Francois Mule, IPCDN Co-Chairs

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:53 AM
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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB


I posted the draft on the IPCDN website,
<http://www.ipcdn.org/drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt>.

As soon as it is also posted on the IETF website, we will start a two-week
WG last call...

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:41 AM
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Cc: bwijnen@lucent.org
Subject: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB






On Friday, at Jean-Francois' request,  I went ahead and submitted the -12
draft of the Docsis Subscriber Management MIB. It should be appearing soon
through the usual IETF publication process, as well as on the ipcdn web
site.

It is still lacking final text on the IPv4/IPv6 question, although recent
emails suggest that we are converging on wording. I'll republish with that
wording as soon as we've reached consensus.

The new draft also attempts to address a question from Kirk Friedman
regarding 'interface' usage.

Please review and get comments to me and to the WG mailing list.

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We seemed to have addressed the Azlina's comment.

Rich wrote:
> There *are* cable folks that attend other IETF WGs. For=20
> example, I participate frequently in the DHC WG, and=20
> Jean-Francois participates in the SIP and SIPPING WGs. If I=20
> see a need to interact with other WGs, I join their mailing=20
> lists and attend their WG sessions during IETF meetings.

To complement my co-chair and to give credits to the many "cable" folks
who contribute to many working groups in IETF, I'll just add more proof
that this is actually happening outside ipcdn:
 - sip & sipping: Flemming Adreasen, Bill Marshall, et al. have
contributed the DCS Internet-Drafts to sip and sipping and with the help
of Allison Mankin, Jon Peterson, the 3gpp folks and the sip guys, this
has contributed to some good work: sip privacy -> sip asserted identity
RFC from Jon, private sip extensions RFC used in the CableLabs
proxy-to-proxy draft, etc. Our CableLabs SIP-based CMSS spec is now
aligned with numerous of the IETF SIP extensions.
 - dhc: Paul Duffy (and earlier on, Burcak Beser) did bring the
CableLabs client configuration DHCP option for consideration in the dhc
wg -> became RFC 3495 and DHCP option 122. Look for the RFC on the
additional sub-option for kerberos ticket removal.
 - sigtran: as part of the CableLabs ISTP spec based on TCP or SCTP
transport, Ken Morneault, Norman Glaude, et al. had brought numerous
ISTP requirements to sigtran & the M3UA authors and according to Ken,
the now RFC 3332 does have what we need to update ISTP.

I'm probably missing some important other work but this is sufficient to
show that we're using all the other IETF avenues we can to get better
engineering work done (and we have running code too ;).

Jean-Francois=20

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Oouch ... didn't mean to dis-respect those that
are already been doing a great job representing at
IETF.

As I have mentioned it before, it was meant to
include more interesting activities in IPCDN WG.
But as Bert pointed out, we have not done anything
else beside MIBs review in the past years,
so moving it to OPS area would make sense.

Thanks,
Azlina

Jean-Francois Mule wrote:
> We seemed to have addressed the Azlina's comment.
> 
> Rich wrote:
> 
>>There *are* cable folks that attend other IETF WGs. For 
>>example, I participate frequently in the DHC WG, and 
>>Jean-Francois participates in the SIP and SIPPING WGs. If I 
>>see a need to interact with other WGs, I join their mailing 
>>lists and attend their WG sessions during IETF meetings.
> 
> 
> To complement my co-chair and to give credits to the many "cable" folks
> who contribute to many working groups in IETF, I'll just add more proof
> that this is actually happening outside ipcdn:
>  - sip & sipping: Flemming Adreasen, Bill Marshall, et al. have
> contributed the DCS Internet-Drafts to sip and sipping and with the help
> of Allison Mankin, Jon Peterson, the 3gpp folks and the sip guys, this
> has contributed to some good work: sip privacy -> sip asserted identity
> RFC from Jon, private sip extensions RFC used in the CableLabs
> proxy-to-proxy draft, etc. Our CableLabs SIP-based CMSS spec is now
> aligned with numerous of the IETF SIP extensions.
>  - dhc: Paul Duffy (and earlier on, Burcak Beser) did bring the
> CableLabs client configuration DHCP option for consideration in the dhc
> wg -> became RFC 3495 and DHCP option 122. Look for the RFC on the
> additional sub-option for kerberos ticket removal.
>  - sigtran: as part of the CableLabs ISTP spec based on TCP or SCTP
> transport, Ken Morneault, Norman Glaude, et al. had brought numerous
> ISTP requirements to sigtran & the M3UA authors and according to Ken,
> the now RFC 3332 does have what we need to update ISTP.
> 
> I'm probably missing some important other work but this is sufficient to
> show that we're using all the other IETF avenues we can to get better
> engineering work done (and we have running code too ;).
> 
> Jean-Francois 
> 



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Hi Kevin,

here are my comments to CableHome MIB drafts. Possibly
in future I'll provide more comments about QoS MIB.

Generic:
~~~~~~~

1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.

2. Glossary:

    From on hand it's specified that all terms are defined in
CH specification. From other hand some terms are explicitly
defined. For example, Configuration MIB draft defins WAN-Man Address,
WAN Data Address, etc. (public and private address space
terms used in their definitions are not defined).
IMHO it's better to include to the RFC all CH terms used in this RFC.
    Another solution is create a separate draft with CH terminology used
in all MIB drafts.

3. RowStatus

   For tables with static and dynamic entries it's useful to mention,
if it's allowed to delete dynamic entries using RowStatus or not.

   It's not clear, why in many tables it's prohibited to assign
notInService value to RowStatus. If it's allowed to delete entry
and create it with changed parameters it should be allowed as well to set
RowStatus to notInService, change parameters and then set RowStatus to active.

Addressing MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-addressing-mib-00.txt)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Reference to RFC describing NAT is necessary.

2. It's also useful to clarify explicitly difference between basic NAT and
NAPT - many people think that NAPT is basic...

3. Overview: "which we call ..." is not quite appropriate for RFC document.

4. CabhCapPacketMode: description is not quite clear (binding/mapping of what?)

5. cabhCapPrimaryMode: the name is slightly confusing - it's not obvious why
it is called "primary". Clarifications are useful.

6. The question with ICMP sequence numbers issue is not clear.
It shouldn't be allowed to create static ICMP NATP entries.

7. It should be specified, what happens with static and dynamic
entries of cabhCapMappingTable when packet processing mode is changed.
Should NAPT entries be showed when NAT mode is enabled? Should
they be deleted? May be it's useful to add field "Inactive" to
mark entries which are really used at the moment?

8. It should be specified how the situation should be handled when
mapping Lan Address X -> Wan Address Y exists and after reboot
Y address is not assigned to the device.

9. It's necessary to ether rename cabhCapIcmpTimeWait to
cabhCapOtherTimeWait (i.e. all except UDP and TCP) or
create separate cabhCapOtherTimeWait object to control, for example,
IGMP entries timing out.

10. cabhCapMappingRowStatus:  cabhCapMappingWanAddrType
and cabhCapMappingLanAddrType have default values, so it's not
be required to set them before making of the entry active.

11. It's useful to define objects like cabhCapMappingIndexNext and
cabhCapPassthroughIndexNext for obteining of three indices
(see ATM MIB for example).

Configuration MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-config-mib-00.txt)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. This is MIB document - is it really necessary to duplicate there
text from the CH specification? It's a bad practice - you'll need
to synchronize the text between RFC and CH specification.

2. cabhCdpWanDataIpAddrCount: the behaivour of CDC after change of
this value should be described. Is it true that CDC should immediately
obtain additional addresses if the object value is increased?
Is it true that CDC should return some of its addresses (which ones)
if the object value is decreased?

3. cabhCdpLanAddrIp: it's not clear what should be done with table
entries if cabhCdpLanPoolStart or cabhCdpLanPoolEnd are changed
(for example, after reboot) and cabhCdpLanAddrIp does not fit to
the interval. Typo in description ("fom").

5. cabhCdpWanDnsServerOrder: Assume that we have three addresses:
A(1), B(2), C(3). Assume that we received two addresses
D and E , which are not equal to A, B and C. What should be in the
table" (D, E, A),  (D, E, C) or (D, E)? This should be explicitly
specified in the description.

6. Why different cabhCdpLanPoolStartType and cabhCdpLanPoolEndType
are necessary? How can these values be different?
Moreover, I think that it should be specified that it cannot be dns.
   The same is for cabhCdpServerRouterType, cabhCdpServerDnsAddressType,
cabhCdpServerDhcpAddressType and cabhCdpServerSubnetMaskType
(they shouldn't be dns and should be equal to type of the pool addresses).
Only address of SYSLOG server may be specified as a domain name.

7. cabhCdpServerTTL: I think that (1..255) is better.

Security MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-security-mib-00.txt)
~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. The term "factory default policy" should be described in details.
It should be explicitly noted that rules of factory default policy are
necer showed via SNMP (do they).

2. cabhSec2FwPolicySelection: description is not clear. Moreover in fact
there may be four possibilities:
    a. No rules (no default rules, SNMP tables are empty).
    b. Only default rules (SNMP tables are empty).
    c. Only configured rules (no default rules, rules from SNMP tables are used).
    d. Default rules + SNMP rules.

    What happens when I set cabhSec2FwClearPreviousRuleset to increment?
Does agent need to populate SNMP table by default rules? The same question
is for incrementDefault.

    IMHO dependencies between cabhSec2FwPolicySelection and
cabhSec2FwClearPreviousRuleset should be described very carefully
in the introduction.

3. cabhSec2FwLogIpDestPort: typo in the description.

Tools MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt)
~~~~~~~~~
1. TCP connectivity testing: size and number of frames cannot be specified
using standard socket interface.

2. cabhCtpConnPktSize - size of which frames? UDP payload? IP packets?
Ethernet packets?

3. cabhCtpConnStatus: DEFVAL should be removed.

4. May be it's useful to specify that parameters like destination IP address
and number of packets shouldn't be changed while test is in progress?

Device MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-05.txt)
~~~~~~~~~~
1. docsDevFilterInetProtocol: it should be specified how the protocol
should be extracted from the packet. It's not obvious for IPv6
(I mean, first "nextHeader" or last one should be used).

QoS MIB (draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-08.txt)
~~~~~~~
I'm not quite prepared for review of this MIB, however I have two notes
about packets classification:

1. docsQosPktClassIpProtocol - the same note as for docsDevFilterInetProtocol
in Device MIB.

2. Why IPv6 flow identifier is not used for packet classification?

Best regards,
    Elena

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Inline, one thing immediately caught my attention.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elena Vengerova [mailto:Elena.Vengerova@oktet.ru]
> Sent: maandag 4 augustus 2003 15:53
> To: Kevin Luehrs
> Cc: ipcdn@ietf.org
> Subject: [ipcdn] Comments to CableHome MIB drafts
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> here are my comments to CableHome MIB drafts. Possibly
> in future I'll provide more comments about QoS MIB.
> 
> Generic:
> ~~~~~~~
> 
> 1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.
> 
Then you better get rid of those "Some MIB compilers" because it is
perfectly valid and appropriate to refine the SYNTAX on an
OBJECT (via the OBJECTS CLAUSE) in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE.

That is if I understand correctly what you are claiming here.

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Motorola received feedback on the signaling MIB from the ETSI conference call yesterday.

One suggested addition from ETSI is an object that allows operator control over the subscriber line protocol used for CID. Here is the object I defined to support the two methods ETSI allows for signaling caller id.

pktcSigDevCallerIdSigProtocol OBJECT-TYPE 
     SYNTAX     INTEGER { 
               fsk  (1), 
               dtmf (2) 
     } 
     MAX-ACCESS read-write 
     STATUS     current 
     DESCRIPTION 
         "This object identifies the subscriber line protocol used
          for signaling on-hook caller id information."
    REFERENCE 
          " Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."
     DEFVAL { fsk }
        ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 4 }

Comments?

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=20
Satish,
=20
Regarding issue 1.c), a default value of zero will be fine for this meter=
 pulse object.
=20
Gordon
=20
- pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount=20
  do we need a DEFVAL for this object?
  AI: team to comment
    pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount    OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times
             to repeat the pulse."
       ::=3D{ pktcSigPulseSignalEntry 6 }


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:53 PM
To: Gordon Beacham; Rick.Morris@arrisi.com; Wim De Ketelaere; ipcdn@ietf.=
org
Cc: billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com; Satish Kumar at Texa=
s Instruments; Sumanth Channabasappa; Rick Vetter
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft=
 01



All,

The co-authors of the ipcdn IPCablecom/PacketCable sig mib intend to addr=
ess all the pending comments including those received during WGLC by Augu=
st 8 and release an updated draft by August 15.

Gordon Beacham, Satish Kumar and a couple of us from the packetcable oss =
team spent some time today to try to review the comments and address them=
. Here are the notes I took to document the consensus we had.
Please review & comment by August 5, 2003.

Jean-Francois.



 =20

--- Participants

Gordon Beacham - Motorola

Robert Lund - Terayon

Satish Kumar - TI

Paul Duffy - Cisco

Eugene Nechamkin - Broadcom

Rick Vetter - Lemur Networks

Jean-Francois Mule - CableLabs



--- Notes for ipcdn distribution

ipcdn documents we reviewed:

 - Signaling MIB

  ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.t=
xt



+ Comments on draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt

We have 3 sets of comments on the ipcdn sig MIB from the WGLC review:

 1.a) List of outstanding issues provided by Gordon

 1.b) Proposal to consider PacketCable Engineering Change Request

      mibsig-o-03004-v3 - additional input

 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes

-----------------------------------

 1.a) Review of outstanding issues provided by Gordon

 <http://www.ipcdn.org/meetings/sigmib-01-outstanding-issues.html> http:/=
/www.ipcdn.org/meetings/sigmib-01-outstanding-issues.html

Note that Arris also provided input on these at:

 <http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/ipcdn/current/msg00754=
.html> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/ipcdn/current/msg=
00754.html



- Issue 1 - pktcSigDevCodecTable=20

Motorola (Gordon) and Arris' proposal was to delete this object

(i.e. delete it in the IETF version of the mib). We (Paul, Rik,

Eugene, Jean-Francois) had consensus that having knowledge of the MTA

supported codecs can actually serve to the operators.

 Consensus: we must not delete the codec table object.

We discussed pktcSigDevCodecTable along with 1.b) mibsig-o-03004-v3

which is a proposal to enhance the table by adding several objects.

Jean-Francois expressed various comments on the motivations of this

ECO - I'll start a separate thread. Rick & Eugene also expressed why

they believe it is needed. Overall, there is no consensus on this ECO

and, it needs to be discussed on the list.

More opinions must be expressed on the mailing list. See separate

thread to follow.



AI:

  - Rick to send proposed ECO to ipcdn list for full disclosure

  - team to review ECO mibsig-o-03004-v3 and make comments.



- Issue 2 - PktcSigDevConnectionMode

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus : delete object.



- Issue 3 - pktcSigPowerRingFrequency

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

No consensus , Eugene & Paul to send comments on this one.



- Issue 4 - PktcSigPCMCoding

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus : delete object.



- Issue 5 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigNomJitterBufferSize =20

            pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxJitterBufferSize

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus : delete objects.



- Issue 6 - PktcSigDevToneType

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

  1/ keep DTMF 0-15 as read-write (Gordon agrees)

  2/ add 3 user-defined tones



- Issue 7 - pktcSigPulseSignalDuration

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

replace

<   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20

<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20

by

>   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20

>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20



And replace

< pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20

<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20

by

> pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20

>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20



- Issue 8 - pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

replace

<   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20

<       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20

<                    zero (1), =20

<                    fifty(2), =20

<                    twelvethousand(3), =20

<                    sixteenthousand(4)=20

<       }            =20

with

>   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20

>       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20

>                    zero (1), =20

>                    twelvethousand(2), =20

>                    sixteenthousand(3)=20

>       }

and make DEFVAL sixteenthousand(3)





- Issue 9 - pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

replace

<   pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20

<       SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-250..150) =20

with

>  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20

>      SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-200..30) =20





- Issue 10 =20

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigTxGain, pktcNcsEndPntConfigRxGain



- Issue 11

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigOffHookDebounce, pktcNcsEndPntConfigOnHookDeb=
ounce



- Issue 12

For review by COB 8/5/2003.

Consensus :

For the objects below, redefine the range to be based on real-world

mins

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash,

 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash.



For e.g.,

replace

< pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20

<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..200) =20

with

> pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20

>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (20..200) =20



-----------------------------------

 1.b) Proposal to consider mibsig-o-03004-v3 as additional input

 We addressed this proposal as part of issue #1.

 No consensus, more text on the mailing lists.



-----------------------------------

 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes

- PktcRingCadence - need to know the MSB

 Team debated that this is covered by SNMP STD RFCs. interval(0) is

MSB; we found RFC 2579 section 3.1. as a possible normative reference

for this. Team is ok with Satish proposing one sentence to clarify

text.



- pktcSigServiceClassNameMask =20

   Satish raised a comment re: syntax of this object. What does it

mean to have a non-zero value for the mask?

   Eugene said: see DOCSIS RFI 1.1 page 144, IP classifier def has 3

masks:

"   IP Classification Parameters: zero or more of the IP classification

parameters (IP TOS Range/Mask, IP Protocol, IP Source Address/Mask, IP

Destination Address/Mask, TCP/UDP Source Port Start, TCP/UDP Source

Port End, TCP/UDP Destination Port Start, TCP/UCP Destination Port

End)"

=3D> the question still remains:

We dismissed the TOS masks in DOCSIS mibs so we eliminated that one.

Still, is the mask defined in pktcSigServiceClassNameMask applicable to I=
P

source mask or destination or both?

AI: Based upon the answer, revise description clause.

   pktcSigServiceClassNameMask  OBJECT-TYPE

        SYNTAX     Integer32

        MAX-ACCESS  read-write

        STATUS     current

        DESCRIPTION

            " This object contains a value used for the NCS Call

              Signaling classifier mask. If this object is set to a

              zero value, an MTA MUST delete both NCS SFs. When

              this object is set to a non-zero value, an MTA MUST

              create the NCS SF for which the corresponding MIB object

              (pktcSigServiceClassNameUS  or pktcSigServiceClassNameDS)

              has a non-empty value, if the NCS SF does not already

              exist."

        DEFVAL { 0 }

        ::=3D { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 14 }



- pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount=20

  do we need a DEFVAL for this object?

  AI: team to comment

    pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount    OBJECT-TYPE

       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)

       MAX-ACCESS   read-write

       STATUS       current

       DESCRIPTION

           " This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times

             to repeat the pulse."

       ::=3D{ pktcSigPulseSignalEntry 6 }



- pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry

   Nit: junk char in description

   pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry  OBJECT-TYPE

       SYNTAX        PktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry

       MAX-ACCESS    not-accessible

       STATUS        current

       DESCRIPTION

           " Entries in pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable =FB Each entry describes

->                                             ^^^^

             what signaling type a particular endpoint uses."







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Satish,

There are a couple of differences, but these are both ring splash objects:

pktcSigDevRsCadence:

-object is in the mandatory sig group (requires implementation by all MTAs)
-shorter duration (max duration is 6 sec)
-coarse resolution (each bit represents a duration of 100 ms)

pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence:

-object is in the international group only
-longer duration (max duration is 10.8 sec)
-finer resolution (each bit represents a duration of 50 ms)

The later object is required for International caller ID support both in terms of duration and resolution. Take a look at 300 659-1 for more on CID. Unfortunately, I don't have any history on the pktcSigDevRsCadence object.

Comments?

Gordon 

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:19 PM
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Gordon,
 In signaling MIB I can see TWO identical MIBS pktcSigDevRsCadence and
pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence

How does these TWO differ? Please throw some light on this.  For me both
looks same and doing same functionality!

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
=====
pktcSigDevRsCadence     OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       PktcRingCadence  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This object specifies ring cadence rs (a user defined 
             field) where each bit represents a duration of 100 
             milliseconds (6 seconds total), except the LSB 4 bits 
             which are used to represent repeatable characteristics. 
             The MTA MUST reject any attempt to make this object 
             repeatable." 
       DEFVAL {{ interval1, interval2, interval3, interval4, interval5,  
                 repeat1 }} 
       -- 11111000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 
       -- 01000 
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 22 }  


pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       OCTET STRING (SIZE(2..28))  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This is the Ring Cadence Octet String for splash ring. The 
             first octet of the bit string represents the length in 
             bits of the duration of the cadence. Each Bit after the 
             first octet represents 50 ms and 1 represents ring and 0 
             represents silent. The first bit of the second octet is 
             the first bit of the ring cadence. Only 216 Bits can be 
             set total to represent 10800 ms of total cadence cycle."  
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects  34 } 
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Gordon,
 I understand the technical difference. My question is why do we need to
have TWO ring splash objects?? When both are implemented on MTA, how can MTA
know its physical presence(that whether it is in US zone or in international
zone). I feel we need to retain only one Ringsplash.

Thanks,
SatishK

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Satish,

There are a couple of differences, but these are both ring splash objects:

pktcSigDevRsCadence:

-object is in the mandatory sig group (requires implementation by all MTAs)
-shorter duration (max duration is 6 sec)
-coarse resolution (each bit represents a duration of 100 ms)

pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence:

-object is in the international group only
-longer duration (max duration is 10.8 sec)
-finer resolution (each bit represents a duration of 50 ms)

The later object is required for International caller ID support both in
terms of duration and resolution. Take a look at 300 659-1 for more on CID.
Unfortunately, I don't have any history on the pktcSigDevRsCadence object.

Comments?

Gordon 

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Subject: Question on on IETF Signaling MIB


Gordon,
 In signaling MIB I can see TWO identical MIBS pktcSigDevRsCadence and
pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence

How does these TWO differ? Please throw some light on this.  For me both
looks same and doing same functionality!

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
=====
pktcSigDevRsCadence     OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       PktcRingCadence  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This object specifies ring cadence rs (a user defined 
             field) where each bit represents a duration of 100 
             milliseconds (6 seconds total), except the LSB 4 bits 
             which are used to represent repeatable characteristics. 
             The MTA MUST reject any attempt to make this object 
             repeatable." 
       DEFVAL {{ interval1, interval2, interval3, interval4, interval5,  
                 repeat1 }} 
       -- 11111000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 
       -- 01000 
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 22 }  


pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       OCTET STRING (SIZE(2..28))  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This is the Ring Cadence Octet String for splash ring. The 
             first octet of the bit string represents the length in 
             bits of the duration of the cadence. Each Bit after the 
             first octet represents 50 ms and 1 represents ring and 0 
             represents silent. The first bit of the second octet is 
             the first bit of the ring cadence. Only 216 Bits can be 
             set total to represent 10800 ms of total cadence cycle."  
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects  34 } 
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Satish,

The approach with the original Sig MIB was to define a series of objects suitable for the NA and International markets. Some vendors may not want to produce MTAs for the International market. The thought was not to force all MTAs to implement International objects. This is why there is a duplication of some objects such as ring splash. 

What is your proposal? Do you want to delete these duplicate objects (RsCadence, RgCadence, and perhaps more)? Do you want to combine all the R0-R5 cadences as well into one 128 row table that is large enough to handle all International ring cadences? 

Gordon

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Gordon,
 I understand the technical difference. My question is why do we need to
have TWO ring splash objects?? When both are implemented on MTA, how can MTA
know its physical presence(that whether it is in US zone or in international
zone). I feel we need to retain only one Ringsplash.

Thanks,
SatishK

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Satish,

There are a couple of differences, but these are both ring splash objects:

pktcSigDevRsCadence:

-object is in the mandatory sig group (requires implementation by all MTAs)
-shorter duration (max duration is 6 sec)
-coarse resolution (each bit represents a duration of 100 ms)

pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence:

-object is in the international group only
-longer duration (max duration is 10.8 sec)
-finer resolution (each bit represents a duration of 50 ms)

The later object is required for International caller ID support both in
terms of duration and resolution. Take a look at 300 659-1 for more on CID.
Unfortunately, I don't have any history on the pktcSigDevRsCadence object.

Comments?

Gordon 

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Subject: Question on on IETF Signaling MIB


Gordon,
 In signaling MIB I can see TWO identical MIBS pktcSigDevRsCadence and
pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence

How does these TWO differ? Please throw some light on this.  For me both
looks same and doing same functionality!

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments
=====
pktcSigDevRsCadence     OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       PktcRingCadence  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This object specifies ring cadence rs (a user defined 
             field) where each bit represents a duration of 100 
             milliseconds (6 seconds total), except the LSB 4 bits 
             which are used to represent repeatable characteristics. 
             The MTA MUST reject any attempt to make this object 
             repeatable." 
       DEFVAL {{ interval1, interval2, interval3, interval4, interval5,  
                 repeat1 }} 
       -- 11111000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 
       -- 01000 
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 22 }  


pktcSigDevRingSplashCadence    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       OCTET STRING (SIZE(2..28))  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           " This is the Ring Cadence Octet String for splash ring. The 
             first octet of the bit string represents the length in 
             bits of the duration of the cadence. Each Bit after the 
             first octet represents 50 ms and 1 represents ring and 0 
             represents silent. The first bit of the second octet is 
             the first bit of the ring cadence. Only 216 Bits can be 
             set total to represent 10800 ms of total cadence cycle."  
       ::= { pktcSigDevConfigObjects  34 } 
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Elena Writes:
> 
> > > 1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> > > Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.
> > >
> > Then you better get rid of those "Some MIB compilers" because it is
> 
> I don't think that, for example, EMANATE SNMP Agent and its 
> mosy are bad.
> As I know EMANATE SNMP products are respectable enough.
> 
Yes... but if they fail to compile perfectly valid MIB modules
(valid from a SYNTAX point of view), then they can be respected as
much as you want, but I would URGE you (and any other customers
of those product(s)) to get in touch with the vendor to FIX
their product.

> > perfectly valid and appropriate to refine the SYNTAX on an
> > OBJECT (via the OBJECTS CLAUSE) in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> 
> I do not say that it's invalid from syntax point of view.
> But do you really think that it's necessary to produce
> problems to people without any necessiry? :)
> 
Nope it is not. But we have the SYNTAX to express things that need
to be expressed, and vendors (specifically for priced products) better
make sure they support proper/valid/correct syntax.

Personal opinion of course.

Bert
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Gordon wrote:
> One suggested addition from ETSI is an object that allows=20
> operator control over the subscriber line protocol used for=20
> CID. Here is the object I defined to support the two methods=20
> ETSI allows for signaling caller id.
>=20
> pktcSigDevCallerIdSigProtocol OBJECT-TYPE=20
>      SYNTAX     INTEGER {=20
>                fsk  (1),=20
>                dtmf (2)=20
>      }=20
>      MAX-ACCESS read-write=20
>      STATUS     current=20
>      DESCRIPTION=20
>          "This object identifies the subscriber line protocol used
>           for signaling on-hook caller id information."
>     REFERENCE=20
>           " Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."
>      DEFVAL { fsk }
>         ::=3D { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 4 }
>=20
> Comments?

Thanks Gordon for posting the proposed object and addressing ETSI =
comments.
Seems resonable to me.=20
Can you get rid of 'Refer to the' in the REFERENCE clause?
Can you also add some text in the security consideration section for =
this new r/w object? Does this need to be added to the international =
compliance group too?

Jean-Fran=E7ois=20
ps: you copied the CableLabs DOCSIS oss team in your posting while I =
think you meant to copy the PacketCable prov OSS team. Corrected in this =
response.

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 The following is in reference to the proposed changes to the signaling
MIB submitted through the mibsig-o-3004-v3 PacketCable ECO, authored by
Rick Vetter, Eugene Nechamkin, and Ryan Moats.

 

The MIB for specifying MTA code has an enumerated value for "other" but
no additional variable to set what the "other" type is. This prevents
any interoperability between non-specified codecs and requires that
additional codecs be supported only through republication of the MIB.

 

The intention is to allow vendors to freely introduce (test, interop,
work with)  new CODECs *BEFORE* all necessary modifications are made in
the PacketCable specs and RFC (for SIG MIB). Recently introduced CMS
Prov Spec would allow  use of  new data in the CODEC table to identify
codecs.

 

The changes involve the following 

 

1 - ADD to the codec table:

 

pktcSigDevCodecName       SnmpAdminString

    SYNTAX     SnmpAdminString (SIZE (1..32))

    MAX-ACCESS read-only

    STATUS current

    DESCRIPTION

        " Represents the name of the CODEC in human readable form. This
string is used to refer to known 'standard' (e.g., G.711 u-law) and
'non-standard' (e.g., G.726 at 16 kb/s) CODECs in the PacketCable
Audio/Video Codecs Specification.''

    REFERENCE

    "PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"

::= { pktcSigDevCodecEntry 4 }

 

pktcSigDevCodecLiteralName   SnmpAdminString

    SYNTAX     SnmpAdminString (SIZE (1..32))

    MAX-ACCESS read-only

    STATUS current

    DESCRIPTION

        "Represents the Literal Name of the CODEC. Literal Name of the
CODEC

        is used verbatim in NCS messages (CRCX, MDCX) to provide the
CODEC 

        negotiation capabilities between the calling parties.

        E.g: 'PCMU'  or 'G726-16'.''

    REFERENCE

        "PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"

::= { pktcSigDevCodecEntry 5 }

 

  

pktcSigDevCodecRtpMapName   SnmpAdminString

    SYNTAX     SnmpAdminString  (SIZE (1..32))

    MAX-ACCESS read-only

    STATUS current

    DESCRIPTION

        "Represents the RTP Map Parameter of the CODEC. This is the
literal name 

        of the RTP MAP Parameter corresponding to the CODEC. The value
of the 

        Object must be used verbatim in 'a=' parameter of SDP during the
CODEC 

        negotiation in NCS messages between calling parties.

        E.g: 'PCMU/8000' or 'G726-16/8000'."

    REFERENCE

        "PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"

::= { pktcSigDevCodecEntry 6 }

 

pktcSigDevCodecPtime   OBJECT-TYPE

    SYNTAX        SnmpAdminString

    MAX-ACCESS read-only

    STATUS        current

    DESCRIPTION

        "Contains the list of the packetization periods (in msecs)
supported by the CODEC separated by semicolon. 

        E.g: 10;20;30''

    REFERENCE

        "PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"

::= { pktcSigDevCodecEntry 7 }

 

pktcSigDevCodecFlowSpec     OBJECT-TYPE

    SYNTAX        SnmpAdminString

    MAX-ACCESS read-only

    STATUS        current

    DESCRIPTION

        "Contains the list of the flowspec parameters ("b,m,M")
supported by the CODEC separated by semicolon. 

         E.g: 120;200;280"

    REFERENCE

        "PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"

::= { pktcSigDevCodecEntry 8 }

 

2 -  Removing pktcSigDevCodecMax

 

3 - Changing the description clause of pktcSigDevCodecType to read:

 

        "A codec type supported by MTA. For all 'non-standard' CODEC
types

        which are not included into PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs
Specification

        the value of the Object must be other (1)."

 

 

Rick Vetter 

Lemur Networks

732 380 9290

 


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through the mibsig-o-3004-v3 PacketCable ECO, authored by Rick Vetter, =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The MIB for specifying MTA =
code has=20
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the<SPAN=20
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only through republication of the MIB.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
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size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
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intention is to allow vendors to freely introduce (test, interop, work=20
with)<SPAN class=3DGramE>&nbsp; new</SPAN> CODECs *BEFORE* all <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>necessary</SPAN> modifications are made in the =
PacketCable specs=20
and RFC (for SIG MIB). Recently introduced CMS <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>Prov</SPAN>=20
Spec would <SPAN class=3DGramE>allow<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>use</SPAN> of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>new =
data in=20
the CODEC table to identify codecs</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">.</SPAN><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The changes involve the =
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1 &#8211; <SPAN=20
style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase">ADD </SPAN>to the codec=20
table:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">pktcSigDevCodecName</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN> (SIZE=20
(1<SPAN class=3DGramE>..32</SPAN>))</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;read-only</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; STATUS=20
current</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DESCRIPTION</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>" Represents</SPAN> the name of the CODEC in human=20
readable&nbsp;form. This string&nbsp;is used to refer to known=20
'standard'&nbsp;(e.g., G.711 u-law) and 'non-standard' (e.g., G.726 at =
16 kb/s)=20
CODECs in&nbsp;the PacketCable=20
Audio/Video&nbsp;Codecs&nbsp;Specification</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTimesNewRoman=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">.''<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
REFERENCE</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">"PacketCable=20
Audio/Video Codecs Specification"</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">::</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=3D { <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecEntry</SPAN>&nbsp;4 }</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">pktcSigDevCodecLiteralName</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN> (SIZE=20
(1<SPAN class=3DGramE>..32</SPAN>))<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;read-only<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; STATUS=20
current<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DESCRIPTION<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>"Represents the Literal Name of the CODEC.</SPAN> =
Literal Name=20
of the CODEC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>is</SPAN> used verbatim in NCS messages (CRCX, MDCX) =
to=20
provide the CODEC <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>negotiation</SPAN> capabilities between the calling=20
parties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>E.g</SPAN>: 'PCMU'<SPAN class=3DGramE>&nbsp; =
or</SPAN>=20
'G726-16'.''<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
REFERENCE<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs =
Specification"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">::</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=3D { <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecEntry</SPAN>&nbsp;5 =
}<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">pktcSigDevCodecRtpMapName</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3DGramE>&nbsp; (</SPAN>SIZE (1..32))<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;read-only<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; STATUS=20
current<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DESCRIPTION<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>"Represents the RTP Map Parameter of the =
CODEC.</SPAN> This is=20
the literal name <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>of</SPAN> the RTP MAP Parameter corresponding to the =
CODEC.=20
The value of the <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Object must be used&nbsp;verbatim in 'a=3D' parameter of SDP during the =
CODEC=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>negotiation</SPAN> in NCS messages between calling=20
parties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>E.g</SPAN>: 'PCMU/8000' or=20
'G726-16/8000'."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
REFERENCE<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs =
Specification"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">::</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=3D { <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecEntry</SPAN>&nbsp;6 =
}<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">pktcSigDevCodecPtime</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
OBJECT-TYPE</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;read-only</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
current</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DESCRIPTION</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"Contains&nbsp;the list of the <SPAN class=3DSpellE>packetization</SPAN> =
periods=20
(in <SPAN class=3DSpellE>msecs</SPAN>) supported by the CODEC separated =
by=20
semicolon.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>E.g</SPAN>:&nbsp;10<SPAN=20
class=3DGramE>;20</SPAN>;30''</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
REFERENCE</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs Specification"</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">::</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=3D { <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecEntry</SPAN>&nbsp;7 }</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Courier; mso-bidi-font-family: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">pktcSigDevCodecFlowSpec</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;OBJECT-TYPE<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>SnmpAdminString</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;read-only<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
current<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DESCRIPTION<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"Contains&nbsp;the list of the <SPAN class=3DSpellE>flowspec</SPAN> =
parameters=20
("<SPAN class=3DSpellE>b<SPAN class=3DGramE>,m,M</SPAN></SPAN>") =
supported by the=20
CODEC separated by semicolon.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DSpellE>E.g</SPAN>:&nbsp;120<SPAN=20
class=3DGramE>;200</SPAN>;280"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
REFERENCE<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"PacketCable Audio/Video Codecs =
Specification"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DGramE><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">::</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=3D { <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecEntry</SPAN>&nbsp;8 =
}<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2 <SPAN class=3DGramE>- =
<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Removing</SPAN> <SPAN=20
class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecMax</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3 - Changing the =
description clause=20
of <SPAN class=3DSpellE>pktcSigDevCodecType</SPAN> to=20
read:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>"A codec type supported by&nbsp;MTA.</SPAN> For all=20
'non-standard' CODEC types</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Courier"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>which</SPAN> are not included into PacketCable =
Audio/Video=20
Codecs Specification</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Courier"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<SPAN class=3DGramE>the</SPAN> value of the Object must be other=20
(1)."</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D1><SPAN=20
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Bert,

Thanks for your comments. To address them specifically:

1. Removed non-US ASCII characters.
2. Changed index element pktcSigDevToneType to not-accessible from read-o=
nly. Also removed pktcSigDevToneType from pktcInternationalGroup. Moved p=
ktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType above pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddres=
s and renumbered objects.
3. Changed to: pktcSigNotification OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcSigMib 0=
 }.
4. Expanded "MTA" in MIB title.
5. No change. The reserved value is to preserve the sequential enumeratio=
n as you indicated.
6. Changed pktcSigDevCodecEntry description.
7. No change. This was already changed from 16k to a more reasonable 255 =
per comments received prior to issuing rev 1 of the Signaling MIB. It is =
almost certain we will never have more than 255 codecs in an MTA.
8. No change. There is a ECO pending on this table in PC. Don't want to c=
hange this object and have to change it again pending the ECO.
9. No change. Echo cancellation is a device capability.
10. Not sure about this one. The MIB is for international use but the DOC=
SIS spec indicates the text is ASCII per the RFI spec section 8.1.7.1 and=
 C.2.2.3.4.
11. TBD.
12. Updated pktcSigPulseSignalTable DESC to indicate objects in this tabl=
e do not persist across a reboot.
13. Updated pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable and pktcSigDevToneTable DESC to in=
dicate objects in these tables do not persist across a reboot.
14. Updated pktcSigEndPntConfigTable DESC to indicate objects in this tab=
le do not persist across a reboot. Added RowStatus object for this table.
15. Duplicate of 14. I think you meant pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable. Updated =
the DESC class to indicate objects in this table do not persist across a =
reboot.=20
16. Changed description to ca@example.com.

Gordon

-----Original Message-----
From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:07 AM
To: Jean-Francois Mule; Gordon Beacham; Rick.Morris@arrisi.com; Wim De
Ketelaere; ipcdn@ietf.org
Cc: billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com; Satish Kumar at
Texas Instruments; Sumanth Channabasappa; Rick Vetter
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG
draft 01


I did a quick check/scan.

I also see references to RTP... should the AVT WG be=20
informed about this work, so they can check?

1. Long lines can be handled by RFC-Editor,=20
   non-US-ASCII characters are more problemsome, cause
   they appear in the MIB MOdule

   $ /bin/checkpage.awk < drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
   Long line at 25 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 92 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 1059 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 1086 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Bad chars at 1947
   Long line at 2172 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2365 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2523 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Long line at 2533 with 73 chars, only spaces extra
   Bad chars at 2927
   Bad chars at 2930
   -: 3 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters
   -: 8 lines longer than 72 characters, max 73

2. smilint discovered issues:

   C:\smi\mibs\ietf>smilint -m -s -l 6 -i namelength-32 ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-M=
IB
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:1115: [5] {index-element-accessible} index element
     `pktcSigDevToneType' of row `pktcSigDevToneEntry' should be
      not-accessible in SMIv2 MIB
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:2069: [6] {} implicit node definition
   ./PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB:1883: [5] {inetaddress-inetaddresstype} `InetAddre=
ss'
     object should have an accompanied preceding `InetAdressType' object

3. Did you consider to change:
     pktcSigNotification  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcSigMib 2 0 }
   Into
     pktcSigNotification  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcSigMib 0 }
   Makes any notifications (if ever defined) one subid shorter.
   If there are no notifications, might also just delete that line
   (and the talk about notifications in sect 3.1 and 3.3
   If you need to define NOTIFICATIONs in the future, you need
   to open up the doc anyway.

4. Might want to expand MTA in the document title

5. Why is there a "reserved" value in the following?
   Is it maybe because ncs(3) needs to be 3 cause that is a number/value
   used/assigned in some other spec, and so you create a reserved(2) in
   order to have sequential enumeration?

     PktcSigType     ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " This object lists the various types of signaling that may
             be supported.
             ncs - Network call signaling is a derivation of MGCP
                   (Media Gateway Control Protocol) defined for
                   PacketCable and IPCablecom MTAs. "
        SYNTAX INTEGER {
                      other(1),
                      reserved(2), -- reserved for future use
                      ncs(3)

6. In=20
   pktcSigDevCodecEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX      PktcSigDevCodecEntry
       MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
       STATUS      current
       DESCRIPTION
           " List of supported codec types for the MTA."
    It seems this an "Entry" is not a "list of" but just a
    single codec type, no? So maybe better
       DESCRIPTION
           "Each entry represents a supported codec type for the MTA."

    Similar questions for other DESCRIPTION clauses in other xxxEntry
    definitions

7.    pktcSigDevCodecIndex  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX      Unsigned32 (1..255)
    Will there be max 255 for now and forever? If there is any change
    that there could be more, why not allow for a larger range, like
    32K or 64K or so?

8. pktcSigDevCodecMax ??=20
   Maybe a better name: pktcSigDevCodecMaxSimSessions ?

9. Shows my ignorance in this field:
   pktcSigDevEchoCancellation is that a "device" capability or a
   "codec" capability? If the latter then maybe it should go
   in the table?

10. pktcSigServiceClassNameUS and  pktcSigServiceClassNameDS
    Kind of strange to see a UTF-8 based SYNTAX being used while
    the DESCRIPTION says that the content MUST be ASCII printable
    characters. Why is that needed? if it is indeed needed, you
    may add the explanation. And if that is a valid argument,
    and if we do not expect internationalization in the future,
    then we might be better of to use DisplayString TC instead.

11. pktcSigServiceClassNameMask
    I do not understand how the value of the Integer32 contains
    a mask and which "mask" bits would control what. Is that
    just me?

12. pktcSigPulseSignalTable
    Mmm... so a NMS cannot create entries, right?
    But it can SET (write) some values.
    Pls specify the persistence of such written values. Will they
    survive a reboot or agent restart? Either make it fixed
    for the whoile table (then you put it in Table or Entry=20
    DESCRIPTION clause, or make it variable per entry by using
    a StorageType object in each row

13. same for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable and pktcSigDevToneTable

14. pktcSigEndPntConfigTable is a read-create table.
    That means we need to see RowStatus object to control such
    creation and deletion.=20
    Also need to specify persistence behaviour of this table
    as for other tables above.

15. Same for pktcSigEndPntConfigTable

16. pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId contains in DESCRIPTION clause
    an example:
             (e.g.,: ca@abc.def.com).
    According to ID-NITs, that should be something aka
             (e.g.,: ca@example.com).
Thanks,
Bert=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 2:53
To: Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com; Rick.Morris@arrisi.com; Wim De Ketelaere=
; ipcdn@ietf.org
Cc: billy.hare@arrisi.com; walter.daniel@arrisi.com; Satish Kumar at Texa=
s Instruments; Sumanth Channabasappa; Rick Vetter
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - SIG draft=
 01


All,

The co-authors of the ipcdn IPCablecom/PacketCable sig mib intend to addr=
ess all the pending comments including those received during WGLC by Augu=
st 8 and release an updated draft by August 15.

Gordon Beacham, Satish Kumar and a couple of us from the packetcable oss =
team spent some time today to try to review the comments and address them=
. Here are the notes I took to document the consensus we had.
Please review & comment by August 5, 2003.
Jean-Francois.


 =20
--- Participants
Gordon Beacham - Motorola
Robert Lund - Terayon
Satish Kumar - TI
Paul Duffy - Cisco
Eugene Nechamkin - Broadcom
Rick Vetter - Lemur Networks
Jean-Francois Mule - CableLabs

--- Notes for ipcdn distribution
ipcdn documents we reviewed:
 - Signaling MIB
  ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.t=
xt

+ Comments on draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
We have 3 sets of comments on the ipcdn sig MIB from the WGLC review:
 1.a) List of outstanding issues provided by Gordon
 1.b) Proposal to consider PacketCable Engineering Change Request
      mibsig-o-03004-v3 - additional input
 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes
-----------------------------------
 1.a) Review of outstanding issues provided by Gordon
http://www.ipcdn.org/meetings/sigmib-01-outstanding-issues.html
Note that Arris also provided input on these at:
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/ipcdn/current/msg00754.h=
tml

- Issue 1 - pktcSigDevCodecTable=20
Motorola (Gordon) and Arris' proposal was to delete this object
(i.e. delete it in the IETF version of the mib). We (Paul, Rik,
Eugene, Jean-Francois) had consensus that having knowledge of the MTA
supported codecs can actually serve to the operators.
 Consensus: we must not delete the codec table object.
We discussed pktcSigDevCodecTable along with 1.b) mibsig-o-03004-v3
which is a proposal to enhance the table by adding several objects.
Jean-Francois expressed various comments on the motivations of this
ECO - I'll start a separate thread. Rick & Eugene also expressed why
they believe it is needed. Overall, there is no consensus on this ECO
and, it needs to be discussed on the list.
More opinions must be expressed on the mailing list. See separate
thread to follow.

AI:
  - Rick to send proposed ECO to ipcdn list for full disclosure
  - team to review ECO mibsig-o-03004-v3 and make comments.

- Issue 2 - PktcSigDevConnectionMode
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete object.

- Issue 3 - pktcSigPowerRingFrequency
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
No consensus , Eugene & Paul to send comments on this one.

- Issue 4 - PktcSigPCMCoding
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete object.

- Issue 5 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigNomJitterBufferSize =20
            pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxJitterBufferSize
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus : delete objects.

- Issue 6 - PktcSigDevToneType
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  1/ keep DTMF 0-15 as read-write (Gordon agrees)
  2/ add 3 user-defined tones

- Issue 7 - pktcSigPulseSignalDuration
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20
by
>   pktcSigPulseSignalDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20

And replace
< pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..5000) =20
by
> pktcSigPulseSignalPauseDuration    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (50..5000) =20

- Issue 8 - pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20
<                    zero (1), =20
<                    fifty(2), =20
<                    twelvethousand(3), =20
<                    sixteenthousand(4)=20
<       }            =20
with
>   pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       INTEGER { =20
>                    zero (1), =20
>                    twelvethousand(2), =20
>                    sixteenthousand(3)=20
>       }
and make DEFVAL sixteenthousand(3)


- Issue 9 - pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
replace
<   pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-250..150) =20
with
>  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>      SYNTAX       TenthdBm (-200..30) =20


- Issue 10 =20
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigTxGain, pktcNcsEndPntConfigRxGain

- Issue 11
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
  delete pktcNcsEndPntConfigOffHookDebounce, pktcNcsEndPntConfigOnHookDeb=
ounce

- Issue 12
For review by COB 8/5/2003.
Consensus :
For the objects below, redefine the range to be based on real-world
mins
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash,
 pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash.

For e.g.,
replace
< pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20
<       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (1..200) =20
with
> pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    OBJECT-TYPE =20
>       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (20..200) =20

-----------------------------------
 1.b) Proposal to consider mibsig-o-03004-v3 as additional input
 We addressed this proposal as part of issue #1.
 No consensus, more text on the mailing lists.

-----------------------------------
 1.c) Comments from Satish logged in these meeting notes
- PktcRingCadence - need to know the MSB
 Team debated that this is covered by SNMP STD RFCs. interval(0) is
MSB; we found RFC 2579 section 3.1. as a possible normative reference
for this. Team is ok with Satish proposing one sentence to clarify
text.

- pktcSigServiceClassNameMask =20
   Satish raised a comment re: syntax of this object. What does it
mean to have a non-zero value for the mask?
   Eugene said: see DOCSIS RFI 1.1 page 144, IP classifier def has 3
masks:
"   IP Classification Parameters: zero or more of the IP classification
parameters (IP TOS Range/Mask, IP Protocol, IP Source Address/Mask, IP
Destination Address/Mask, TCP/UDP Source Port Start, TCP/UDP Source
Port End, TCP/UDP Destination Port Start, TCP/UCP Destination Port
End)"
=3D> the question still remains:
We dismissed the TOS masks in DOCSIS mibs so we eliminated that one.
Still, is the mask defined in pktcSigServiceClassNameMask applicable to I=
P
source mask or destination or both?
AI: Based upon the answer, revise description clause.
   pktcSigServiceClassNameMask  OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX     Integer32
        MAX-ACCESS  read-write
        STATUS     current
        DESCRIPTION
            " This object contains a value used for the NCS Call
              Signaling classifier mask. If this object is set to a
              zero value, an MTA MUST delete both NCS SFs. When
              this object is set to a non-zero value, an MTA MUST
              create the NCS SF for which the corresponding MIB object
              (pktcSigServiceClassNameUS  or pktcSigServiceClassNameDS)
              has a non-empty value, if the NCS SF does not already
              exist."
        DEFVAL { 0 }
        ::=3D { pktcSigDevConfigObjects 14 }

- pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount=20
  do we need a DEFVAL for this object?
  AI: team to comment
    pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount    OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times
             to repeat the pulse."
       ::=3D{ pktcSigPulseSignalEntry 6 }

- pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry
   Nit: junk char in description
   pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX        PktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry
       MAX-ACCESS    not-accessible
       STATUS        current
       DESCRIPTION
           " Entries in pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable =FB Each entry describes
->                                             ^^^^
             what signaling type a particular endpoint uses."



>end.=20

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> > 1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> > Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.
> >
> Then you better get rid of those "Some MIB compilers" because it is

I don't think that, for example, EMANATE SNMP Agent and its mosy are bad.
As I know EMANATE SNMP products are respectable enough.

> perfectly valid and appropriate to refine the SYNTAX on an
> OBJECT (via the OBJECTS CLAUSE) in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE.

I do not say that it's invalid from syntax point of view.
But do you really think that it's necessary to produce
problems to people without any necessiry? :)

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, C. M. Heard wrote, in a message to the IPCDN
chairs and the responsible ADs:
> In case Bert Wijnen has not yet told you, I have volunteered to
> review draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt
>
> I shall endeavour to complete this task on or before 11 August 2003.

As requested by Jean-Francois, the review comments are being posted
to the ipcdn@ietf.org mailing list with cc: to co-authors and to Bert.
These follow the outline suggested by the MIB review checklist from
Appendix A of <draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt>.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to complete checklist item #11,
which is the review of the technical content and so is the most
important thing.  This is mainly due to the large number of small
things that I've found wrong ... not huge glaring technical problems
but relatively small things like lack of clarity and poor English
grammar in the DESCRIPTION and REFERENCE clauses.  I have decided
that it would be better to send the authors and WG what I have
completed to date, rather than delay for another couple of weeks,
because a lot of the comments are following the same pattern.  My
suggestion is to go over these comments and where I have pointed
out a problem with lack of clarity, style, grammar, etc. don't
just correct that specific place where I pointed it out but also
look for other places that have similar problems and correct them,
too.  If you can produce a -02 draft that doesn't suffer this
"death of 1000 cuts" it will be much easier to concentrate on
purely technical issues and the 2nd pass review will go much
more quickly.

If the WG, authors, and AD feel that this is not reasonable, then
feel free to request another reviewer.

Anyway, here are the comments.

1.) I-D Boilerplate -- please remove the citation [RFC2026]
in the first paragraph of the "Status of this Memo" section.
See http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html Section 1.1, 8th bullet.

2.) Abstract -- OK

3.) MIB Boilerplate -- OK

4.) IPR Notices -- (a) the minimum required notices are present, but
are not verbatim copies of 10.4(A) and 10.4(B) of RFC 2026, and the
editing process has introduced at least one (and possibly three)
minor errors or stylistic anomalies that need to be corrected:

s/described in document/described in this document/

s/implementers or users/implementors or users/

s/that may cover technology that/which may cover technology that/

(b) no claims are noted (10.4(D) of RFC 2026 is absent), and this
appears to be OK since the following search of the IPR statements on
the IETF web site did not turn up anything:

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 No matches were found for '(cable or cabled or cabling or cables)
 and (modem or modems)'

If any WG participants are aware of pertinent intellectual property
claims that would not be revealed by this search, they are reminded
of their obligation to disclose that knowledge.

5.) References -- in addition to the non-ASCII characters in one of
the references (detailed in #10(a) below), there are the following
substantive issues to address:

(a) Bert Wijnen already pointed out that:
> You IMPORT from IF-MIB (RFC2863) and SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB (RFC3411)
> and SNMPv2-MIB (RFC3418).  So those must be listed as normative
> references.

(b) The normative reference [RFC3289] should be removed.  It is not
cited anywhere in the text, nor does the PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB import
anything from DIFFSERV-DSCP-TC or DIFFSERV-MIB.

(c) The informative reference [RFC2026] should be removed.  It is
cited only in the I-D boilerplate, which will be stripped off prior
to publication as an RFC and is not allowed to have a citation (see
#2 above).

(d) The following PacketCable references need to be updated to
point to the latest versions of the documents:

Current reference           Latest version

PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I06-030415   PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728
PKT-SP-PROV-I06-030415      PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728
PKT-SP-SEC-I08-030415       PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728

When you make these updates, please be sure to get the spelling
of the document number right.  In the current draft I see that
all occurrences of [PKT-SP-PROV-IO6-030415] have the letter "O"
in "IO6" instead of the numeral "0".  This is also true for the
citation of [PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-IO6-030415] at the beginning of
Section 3.

You may also want to consider including the URLs where these
documents can be found (in addition to including the title
and document number):

http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728.pdf
http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728.pdf
http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.pdf

(e) I could find no citations for the following informative
references:  [ETSI TS 101 909-4], [ETSI TS 101 909-9],
[EN 300 001], and [EN 300 659-1].  They should either be
cited or removed.

(f) Although [RFC3291] is indeed the correct reference for the
InetAddress/InetAddressType definitions, there is a possibility
that it will be replaced by draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt or
a successor by the time this document is published.  To allow
for this possibility I recommend adding an RFC Editor note such
as the following:

  ************************************************************
  * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
  *                                                          *
  * 1.) If <draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt> (or its        *
  * successor) is to be published as an RFC concurrently     *
  * with this document, please update normative reference    *
  * [RFC3291] to point to that RFC, instead of RFC 3291.     *
  *                                                          *
  ************************************************************

(you may want to consider collecting all RFC Editor
notes together and putting them at the end, as was
done in <draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2493bis-01.txt> and
<draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2558bis-01.txt> ... but be
sure not to eliminate the required embedded notes
in the MIB module if you do that)

6.) Security Considerations Section -- the MIB security template has
been followed, but the presentation is not as clear as I would like
and there appear to be some some missing and misplaced entries in
the lists of writeable objects.  To address the latter the following
changes are suggested:

FROM:
 ! - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer and
 ! pktcMtaDevRealmTable groups share the potential, if SET maliciously,
 ! to prevent an MTA from provisioning properly, hence there are
 ! considered very sensitive for service delivery, in particular:
       pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,
       pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,
       pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
       pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two objects, if SET maliciously,
   will prevent the MTA from being authenticated and consequently from
 ! getting the telephony services.
       pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,
       pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevRealmName,
       pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,
 !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, if SET maliciously, would
 ! cause the whole row of the table to be deleted which will deny the
 ! prevent the MTA from getting the telephony services.
TO:
 ! - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer group and some in
 ! the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the potential, if SET maliciously,
 ! to prevent an MTA from provisioning properly.  Hence they are
 ! considered very sensitive for service delivery.  In particular:
       pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,
       pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,
       pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
       pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two objects, if SET maliciously,
   will prevent the MTA from being authenticated and consequently from
 ! getting telephony services.
 +     pktcMtaDevTimeServer,
 +     pktcMtaDevConfigFile,
       pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,
       pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevRealmName,
       pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,
 +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
 +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
 +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries,
 !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, if SET maliciously, could
 ! cause the whole row of the table to be deleted which may prevent
 ! MTA from getting telephony services.

FROM:
   - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the
   potentional, if SET maliciously, to disrupt the telephony service by
   altering which Call Management Server the MTA must send signaling
   registration to, in particular:
       pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,
       pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,
       pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,
       pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
 !     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries - this object, if set to
 ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from retry its attempt to
   establish a security association with the CMS,
       pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.
TO:
   - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the
   potentional, if SET maliciously, to disrupt the telephony service by
   altering which Call Management Server the MTA must send signaling
   registration to, in particular:
       pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,
       pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,
       pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,
       pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
       pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
 !     pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries - this object, if set to
 ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from retrying its attempt to
   establish a security association with the CMS,
       pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.

FROM:
   - The following objects, if SET maliciously will not have an
   immediate effect on service but they may impact the service
   performace and may cause avalanche attacks on provisioning servers
   including Kerberos KDC servers on massive device reboots:
       pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to true, will cause an MTA to
   request a new Kerberos ticket at reboot.
       pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if set to short periods, will
   cause MTA to renew its tickets more frequently,
       pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as above).
 -     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
 -     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout.
TO:
   - The following objects, if SET maliciously will not have an
   immediate effect on service but they may impact the service
   performace and may cause avalanche attacks on provisioning servers
   including Kerberos KDC servers on massive device reboots:
       pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to true, will cause an MTA to
   request a new Kerberos ticket at reboot.
       pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if set to short periods, will
   cause MTA to renew its tickets more frequently,
       pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as above),

(changed lines indicated by '!' in left margin, added lines by '+',
deleted lines by '-').

Note that suggested addition/regrouping of objects in the lists
above assumes that

   pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
   pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
   pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries

are for communication with a Key Distribution Center (KDC) and so
can affect the provisioning process whilst

   pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
   pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
   pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries

are used for communication with a Call Management server (CMS) and
so can affect telephony services but not provisioning (that, at
least, is what I concluded from Section 3.4 and from the object
DESCRIPTION clauses).

Even with the above fixes the Security Considerations section would
not be a model of clarity.  The problem is that the presentation
style doesn't make it perfectly clear exactly what vulnerabilities
are associated with each object.  Here is an example of a possibly
better style for the first section above:

   - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer group and some in
   the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the potential, if SET maliciously,
   to prevent an MTA from provisioning properly.  Hence they are
   considered very sensitive for service delivery.  The objects in
   question are:

       pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer
       pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
       pktcMtaDevServerDns1
       pktcMtaDevServerDns2
       pktcMtaDevTimeServer
       pktcMtaDevConfigFile
       pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash
       pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey
       pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout
       pktcMtaDevRealmName
       pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName
       pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
       pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
       pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries
       pktcMtaDevRealmStatus

   Certain of the above objects have additional specific vulnerabilites.
   pktcMtaDevServerDns1 and pktcMtaDevServerDns2, if SET maliciously,
   could prevent the MTA from being authenticated and consequently from
   getting telephony services.  pktcMtaDevRealmStatus, if SET
   maliciously, could cause the whole row of the table to be deleted
   which may prevent MTA from getting telephony services.

The authors may wish to consider reworking the style of the entire
section to something along these lines.  It would also be good to
make consistent statements about retry objects, RowStatus objects,
and so on in the different lists.

Finally, this section includes only the standard "deployment of
SNMP versions prior to SNMPv3 is NOT RECOMMENDED."  It has been
my understanding that versions of SNMP prior to SNMPv3 are not
permitted for DOCSIS devices.  If that's true, then the last
paragraph should say that instead of the standard stuff.

7.) IANA Considerations Section -- OK (none present and none
required).

8.) Copyright notices -- the Full Copyright statement has a second
copy of the standard Intellectual Property notices in front of it.
That shouldn't be there and needs to be removed.

9.) MIB compilation -- Bert already pointed out the following
warning message from SMICng:

 W: f(ipcdnPktcMta.mi2), (1347,4) NOTIFICATION-GROUP
    "pktcMtaNotificationGroup" is not used in a
    MODULE-COMPLIANCE in current module

The smilint e-mail robot says the same thing:

 This command (smilint 0.4.2-pre1, as of Wed Jul 23 17:37:01 2003)
 has been processed to get the following results:
 smilint -m -s -l 6 -i namelength-32 PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB

 PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB:1340: [5] {group-unref} warning: current group
 `pktcMtaNotificationGroup' is not referenced in this module

Although this is not a violation of the SMIv2 rules, we recommend in
the MIB review guidelines that a GROUP clause be present for each
optional group so that it is obvious that it was not an inadvertent
omission; see <draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt>,
Sec. 4.8, last bullet on p. 23.  In this case it appears that this
group was indeed inadvertently omitted from the MANDATORY-GROUPS
clause;  see #11(w) below for details.

10.) Other issues, e.g., stuff in http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html
that is not covered above:

(a) Bert Wijnen noted 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters:
> > Bad chars at 2053
> > Bad chars at 2056
> > -: 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters

The fix that I recommend is to change the text starting at line 2053
from:
   [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: =F4Public Switched Telephone Network=20
                  (PSTN); Subscriber line protocol over the local loop=20
                  for display (and related) services; Part 1: On hook=20
                  data transmission=F6.=20
to:
   [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: "Public Switched Telephone Network=20
                  (PSTN); Subscriber line protocol over the local loop=20
                  for display (and related) services; Part 1: On hook=20
                  data transmission".=20
assuming, of course, that this reference is retained.

(b) There are a few lines that go over 72 characters, however, that
goes away if the trailing blanks are removed.  It would be nice to
fix that in the next version of the draft, but it's not essential,
since the trailing blanks are stripped by the RFC Editor do that as
a side-effect of "nroff'ing" the document.

(c) Please make the following change globally: s/RFC-3495/RFC 3495/
Note that the MIB module and the reference [RFC3495] are affected.

(d) Section 2.2:  s/over the DOCSIS/over a DOCSIS/

(e) Section 2.3:  s/the cable or hybrid system/a cable or hybrid system/
(multiple occurrences);  s/the CM part/the CM part,/

(f) Section 2.8:  Consider appending the following sentence:

 Commonly used DHCP options are defined in [RFC2132].

(g) Section 2.10:  s/algorithm/device/

(h) Section 2.11:  s/system of the back office/a system of back office/

(i) Section 3.1, 5th paragraph:  s/First two groups/The first two groups/

(j) Section 3.1, 6th paragraph:  s/Third group/The third group/

(k) Section 3.2, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:

 This group contains management information describing the parameters
 of the MTA device itself.  It also contains some objects to control
 the MTA state.  Some highlights are as follows:

(l) Section 3.3, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:

 This group contains management information describing the back
 office servers and the parameters assigned to the communication
 timeouts.  It also contains some objects controlling the initial
 MTA interaction with the Provisioning Server.

(m) Section 3.4, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:

 This group contains management information describing the
 security-related characteristics of the MTA.  It also contains
 two tables describing logical dependencies and parameters necessary
 to establish security associations between the MTA and other
 components of the back office.  Some higliights are:

(n) Section 3.5:  add blank lines between consecutive paragraphs,
and also before and after each bullet item in the bullet list.
Please rewrite the 2nd paragraph so that it is clear what it means.
In the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph after the bullet list
s/defined by the number of parameters/defined by a number of parameters/
Please use the definite and indefinite articles when customary
(e.g., s/Realm Table is indexed/The Realm Table is indexed/ and
s/contains conceptual column/contains a conceptual column).  This
whole section is hard to read and needs major editorial rework.

11.) Technical content -- here are the comments on the content of
Section 4, "Definitions," which contains the PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB.

(a) In the MODULE-IDENTITY DESCRIPTION clause:
s/set if requirements/requirements/

(b) The ASN.1 comment preceding DocsX509ASN1DEREncodedCertificate
promises to do something that is not allowed:

   --
   -- The following textual convention will be imported from BPI+ RFC
   -- when introduced there.
   --

It is ILLEGAL to move a TC from one module to another or to
remove a definition from a published MIB module.  If the TC
is to be imported from the BPI-plus MIB, then do so before
this module is published;  otherwise, plan on leaving it in
in perpetuity (in which case there is no point in IMPORTING
it).  In the latter case, you may want to change the name
to PktcMtaX509ASN1DEREncodedCertificate.  In any case, that
comment has to go.

(c) The REFERENCE clauses do not have a consistent style throughout.
Sometimes a document is referred to by title alone;  sometimes a
document is referred to by number alone;  and in some cases both
styles are used in the same REFERENCE clause, e.g.,

 REFERENCE
     "PacketCable Provisioning Specification. RFC 3495."

I find this a little confusing:  it's not clear at a glance
whether RFC 3495 is the number of the PacketCable Provisioning
Specification or is a separate document.  For this reason I ask
that all REFERENCE clauses be updated to use a consistent
style when referring to documents.  My suggestion would be to
see something line this, which has both document number and
(abbreviated) title, and which has distinct document references
separated by a semicolon:

 REFERENCE
     "PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728, PacketCable MTA Device Provisioning
      Specification;  RFC 3495, DHCP Option for CableLabs Client
      Configuration."

(d) In the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevSwCurrentVers:
s/'sysDecr'/'sysDescr'/

(e) Should the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevFQDN say what
is returned if the device is queried before a domain name
has been assigned to it?

(f) In the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevEndPntCount:
s/The physical end points/The number of physical end points/

(g) In the definition of pktcMtaDevTypeIdentifier:  please
add a REFERENCE clause pointing to RFC 2132, where option #60
is defined.  NOTE:  there are several other objects that need
to have a REFERENCE to RFC 2132.  Among them are
pktcMtaDevServerDns1 (option #6), pktcMtaDevServerDns2
(option #6), and pktcMtaDevTimeServer (option #4).

(h) In the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevErrorOidsTable:
it might be a good idea to specify when in the provisioning
process this table is cleared (presumably you do want the
table cleared if provisioning is restarted).

(i) The DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevErrorOid says:

   "If the error was due to a reason which cannot be associated
    with 'recognizable' OID of the parameter, then this MIB
    object must contain an empty value."

It is not clear what the words "an empty value" mean.  If you
mean "{ 0 0 }" please say so.

(also, s/Parameter, which caused/Parameter that caused/)

(j) The DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevErrorValue says:

   "If the error was due to unrecognizable OID of the
    parameter in the Configuration File, then this MIB
    Object contains the value of the OID as interpreted
    MTA. Otherwise (the error happens due to a wrong value
    of the parameter) - the MIB Object contains the value
    from the Configuration File converted to SnmpAdminString."

Putting on my implementor's hat I have a number of problems
with this DESCRIPTION clause.  First, it's not clear what is
meant by the first sentence.  I'm guessing that it means that
if I see an OID in a configuration file that I don't recognize
then I must populate this object (rather than pktcMtaDevErrorOid)
with that OID.  I shouldn't have to guess.  Second, there is no
guidance on how I am suppose to turn OIDs or other values into
an SnmpAdminString.  If this is left unspecified then it's quite
likely that different implementations will do different things.
So, I must ask that you clarify this DESCRIPTION clause.

(k) This comment deals with some problems related to the usage of
the InetAddressType/InetAddress TCs that affect objects of those
types in the pktcMtaDevServer group.

First: the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevServerAddressType says:

 This object defines the address type for the following servers:
 pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1, pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2, pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
 pktcMtaDevServerDns2, pktcMtaDevTimeServer.

However, the DESCRIPTION clauses of pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1,
pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2, pktcMtaDevServerDns1, pktcMtaDevServerDns2,
and pktcMtaDevTimeServer do not have this information, as required
by the DESCRIPTION clause of the InetAddress TC:

| An InetAddress value is always interpreted within the context
| of an InetAddressType value. Every usage of the InetAddress
| textual convention is required to specify the InetAddressType
| object which provides the context.

I strongly recommend, for reasons of ease of maintenance, that the
InetAddress/InetAddressType association be specified in the
DESCRIPTION clauses of the InetAddress objects _only_.  The reason
is that it is possible to add new InetAddress objects -- possibly
in a different MIB module -- that use a pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
as the type discriminator, and if the associations are listed in the
pktcMtaDevServerAddressType DESCRIPTION clause the it would need to
be updated whenever this happens.  It's clearly undesirable (and not
always feasible) to do that.

Second: although InetAddressType object pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
is formally allowed to assume values other than ipv4 -- which may
indeed be desirable for future extensibility -- the DESCRIPTION
and REFERENCE clauses for the corresponding InetAddress objects
pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1, pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2, pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
pktcMtaDevServerDns2, and pktcMtaDevTimeServer do not currently
provide any meaning for any address types other than ipv4(1).  The
main reference PacketCable MTA Device Provisioning Specification,
PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728, only discusses provisioning with DHCPv4 and
not DHCPv6, and only discusses the use of IPv4 for communication
with the DHCP server.  So it's not clear what a client would do
with anything other than IPv4 addresses for pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1
and pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2.  Also, the DHCP options that correspond
to the pktcMtaDevServerDns1, pktcMtaDevServerDns2, and
pktcMtaDevTimeServer objects (cf. #11(g) above) are values of
DHCPv4 options, which can only contain IPv4 addresses.

If future extensibility to IPv6 is desirable and possible, then
the suggested fixes for the problems are to revise the DESCRIPTION
clauses for pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1, pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2,
pktcMtaDevServerDns1, pktcMtaDevServerDns2, and
pktcMtaDevTimeServer along the following lines:

            "The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the pktcMtaDevServerAddressType object.  When the latter
             has the value ipv4(1), this object is [ ... ].

             The behavior of this object when the value of
             pktcMtaDevServerAddressType is other than ipv4(1)
             is not presently specified, but may be specified
             in future versions of this MIB module."

where [ ... ] contains the existing description text (modified as
needed for grammatical correctness and to remedy the deficiencies
noted in #11(g) above and #11(l) through #11(n) below) and to
remove the second sentence of the pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
DESCRIPTION clause.

If, on the other hand, there is no realistic possibility of
re-using this MIB module with a future IPv6-capable version of the
PacketCable MTA specs, then it would probably be better to eliminate
pktcMtaDevServerAddressType and change the SYNTAX value of
pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1, pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2, pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
pktcMtaDevServerDns2, pktcMtaDevTimeServer to InetAddressIPv4.
Note that this is permitted (although not encouraged) by RFC 3291
(and its successor draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt).

In subsequent comments I'll assume that the first solution is
adopted;  if it isn't please modify suggested text as appropriate.

(l) The DESCRIPTION clauses of pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1 and
pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2 should explicitly state that these parameters
are normally provided by the Cable Modem (CM) entity associated
with the MTA, and that the CM gets them as the values of suboptions
1 and 2 (respectively) of the DHCP CableLabs Client Configuration
Option (option #122) defined in RFC 3495.  Note that RFC 3495 (and
the provisioning spec) explicitly say that these suboptions apply
only to the CM.

For example, the DESCRIPTION clause for pktcMtaDevServerDhcp1
might become:

            "The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the pktcMtaDevServerAddressType object.  When the latter
             has the value ipv4(1), this object is the IP address of
             the primary DHCPv4 server which will cater to the MTA
             during its provisioning.  It is provided by the CM to
             the MTA from suboption 1 of the DHCP Option for
             CableLabs Client Configuration (option #122) defined
             in RFC 3495.  It contains the value 255.255.255.255 if
             there was no preference given with respect to the DHCP
             servers for MTA provisioning.

             The behavior of this object when the value of
             pktcMtaDevServerAddressType is other than ipv4(1)
             is not presently specified, but may be specified
             in future versions of this MIB module."

Similarly, the DESCRIPTION clause for pktcMtaDevServerDhcp2
might become:

            "The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the pktcMtaDevServerAddressType object.  When the latter
             has the value ipv4(1), this object is the IP address of
             the primary DHCPv4 server which will cater to the MTA
             during its provisioning.  It is provided by the CM to
             the MTA from suboption 2 of the DHCP Option for
             CableLabs Client Configuration (option #122) defined
             in RFC 3495.  It contains the value 0.0.0.0 if there
             is no specific secondary DHCP server to be considered
             during MTA provisioning.

             The behavior of this object when the value of
             pktcMtaDevServerAddressType is other than ipv4(1)
             is not presently specified, but may be specified
             in future versions of this MIB module."

Question:  do these objects apply only to E-MTA or do they
apply to S-MTA also?  If they don't apply to S-MTA (i.e.,
have the value 255.255.255.255/0.0.0.0) then say so;  if
they apply to both, I am curious to know how the CM communicates
the values to the MTA in that case.

(m) The DESCRIPTION clauses for pktcMtaDevServerDns1 and
pktcMtaDevServerDns2 claim that these objects get their
values from DHCP option 6 "as defined in RFC-3495".  That
is incorrect:  DHCP option 6 is defined in RFC 2132.  The
REFERENCE clause also contains this error.  These clauses
also read awkwardly.  See #11(l) above for a model DESCRIPTION
clause and #11(c) for a model REFERENCE clause.

(n) The DESCRIPTION clause for pktcMtaDevTimeServer does not mention
that the value MAY appear as option #4 in a DHCP Offer/DHCP Ack.  In
fairness, neither does the provisioning spec PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728,
but it references the DOCSIS spec, which clearly spells this out.
Here is an excerpt I picked up from DOCSIS 1.0:

 The protocol by which the time of day MUST be retrieved is defined
 in [RFC-868].  Refer to Figure 7-10.  The request and response MUST
 be transferred using UDP. The time retrieved from the server (UTC)
 MUST be combined with the time offset received from the DHCP
 response to create the current local time.

 The DHCP server may offer a CM multiple Time of Day server IP
 addresses to attempt.  The CM MUST attempt all Time of Day servers
 included in the DHCP offer until local time is established.

I presume that something like this applies to an S-MTA.  I also
presume that populating this object is optional for an E-MTA since
the latter could get the time-of-day from the CM.

If these presumptions are correct, please revise the DESCRIPTION
clause to say so, and add a reference clause pointing to RFC 2132.

It these presumptions are not correct, you will probably still want
to note that this is the address of an RFC 868 timer server and
maybe add a REFERENCE clause pointing to RFC 868.

In any case, please fix this spelling error:  s/SMTA/S-MTA/
It caused me some confusion in trying to decipher what the
DESCRIPTION clause means.  And please also make this change too:
s/populated/populated with a value other than 0.0.0.0/

(o) In the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevConfigFile I see:

 The object returns NULL if the server address is unknown.

It's not clear what NULL means in this context:  the SYNTAX
value is SnmpAdminString, and the TC definition in RFC 3411
does not define a NULL value.  If you mean a zero-length
string then you must say so explicitly.

In addition, the English needs to be re-worked a little to get
definite and indefinite articles in the right places.

(p) In the DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity:
s/the DHCP Option CCC/DHCP Option 122/ to be consistent with
other DESCRIPTION clauses (and fix the English).

(q) Objects pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash and pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey
have SIZE constraints in the definitions that are appropriate to
the currently supported algorithms -- MD5 and SHA-1 for
authentication, null or DES for privacy -- but may be overly
constraining if new algorithms are added in a future version of
the PacketCable security spec.  The designers need to be aware
that removing or changing SIZE constraints after a MIB module has
been published constitutes an illegal revision (see RFC 2578
Section 10).  If there is a possibility of adding new algorithms,
then the SIZE constraints should be removed before initial
publication as an RFC.

=2E.. skipping down to the read-create tables ...

(r) The conceptual rows pktcMtaDevRealmEntry and pktcMtaDevCmsEntry
support dynamic creation of rows, but do not have a StorageType
column, nor do their DESCRIPTION clauses state what happens to
dynamically created rows after a reboot.  You must have one or the
other;  see <draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt> Section
4.6.3.  If the fate of a row depends on some conditions such as the
value of some other object, then putting a statement to that effect
in the conceptual row DESCRIPTION clause is the best way to satisfy
this requirement.

(s) The DESCRIPTION clause of pktcMtaDevRealmStatus needs many
improvements.  In particular, in view of #11(z) below, the following
is not correct:

             There is no restriction on setting columns in this table
             when the value of pktcMtaDevRealmStatus is active(1).

Furthermore, the following stuff just adds unneeded words that have
no value at all to the implementor:

             The  RowStatus TC [RFC2579] requires that this DESCRIPTION
             clause states under which circumstances other objects in
             this row can be modified:

Please eliminate the above paragraph here and wherever else it appears.
Also eliminate the following, which (in context) appears to be a
duplicate of the first (erroneous) statement:

             The value of this object has no effect on whether other
             objects in this conceptual row can be modified."

Here is the suggested replacement for all of the above text:

             The columnar objects pktcMtaDevRealmName and
             pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName may not be modified when
             the value of this object is active(1).  The value
             of this object has no effect on whether other
             columns in this conceptual row can be modified."

pktcMtaDevCmsStatus has similar problems (pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn and
pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName can't be modified while it is active(1))
and its DESCRIPTION clause needs similar modifications.

=2E.. skipping down to the notifications section ...

(t) Regarding the following:

   --
   -- notification group is for future extension.
   --

   pktcMtaNotificationPrefix OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaMib 2 }
   pktcMtaNotification OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D {
   pktcMtaNotificationPrefix 0 }
   pktcMtaConformance  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaMib 3 }
   pktcMtaCompliances  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaConformance 1 }
   pktcMtaGroups       OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaConformance 2 }

Please remove the ASN.1 comment, as it is now incorrect.

For the remainder, consider instead using the following definitions,
placed right at the front of the MIB module, just below the
TEXTUAL-CONVENTION section (currently page 9):

   pktcMtaNotification OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaMib 0 }
   pktcMtaMibObjects   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaMib 1 }
   pktcMtaConformance  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaMib 2 }

and consider relocating the following

   pktcMtaCompliances  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaConformance 1 }
   pktcMtaGroups       OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { pktcMtaConformance 2 }

down to the conformance section (p. 32).  These changes are not
mandatory, but they cost nothing and will save one sub-identifier
in each OID that identifies a notification.

(u) In the definitions of the pktcMtaDevProvisioningEnrollment
and pktcMtaDevProvisioningStatus notifications, the following
REFERENCE clause is bogus:

       REFERENCE
           " Inform as defined in RFC 1902"

An "inform" or "trap" is a protocol construct that transports a
notification, and has nothing directly to do with the SMI.  You
won't find them defined in RFC 1902;  the definitions of the
SNMPv2-Trap-PDU and the InformRequest-PDU are in RFC 3416 (formerly
RFC 1905).  You seem to be trying to define a notification that can
be transported in an inform, but that's not possible with the SMI.
If you want to require use of informs instead of traps, the place to
do so is in a PacketCable protocol spec (where I believe such a
restriction indeed exists), not in a MIB module.  In any case, RFC
1902 is obsolete;  it has been replaced by 2578.

=2E.. skipping down to the conformance section ...

(v) The DESCRIPTION clause for the compliance statement
pktcMtaBasicCompliance says:

           " The compliance statement for devices that implement
             PacketCable/IPCablecom MTA. It is left to manufacturers to
             determine whether to support both PacketCable and
             IPCablecom objects in the same MTA."

This is somewhat incomprehensible in the context of a MIB module that
contains neither PacketCable nor IPCablecom objects but rather IETF
objects.  May I suggest instead borrowing the text from the PKTC-MTA-MIB
in PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728:

           " The compliance statement for devices that implement
             MTA feature."

If you decide to retain pktcMtaDevServerAddressType for future
extensibility to IPv6 (cf. #11(k) above), you might want to add to
this an additional sentence like this:

             This compliance statement applies to implementations that
             support DOCSIS 1.0/1.1/2.0, which are not IPv6-capable.

modified as appropriate for MTAs.  See this e-mail message:

http://ops.ietf.org/lists/mreview/mreview.2003/msg00503.html

for a discussion of the issues (and other recommended modifications).

(w) pktcMtaNotificationGroup either needs to be added to the list
of MANDATORY-GROUPS of pktcMtaBasicCompliance, if it is indeed
mandatory to implement, or else there should be a GROUP clause
explaining that it is optional, as explained in comment #9 above.
In this case it appears that the correct course would be to add
the group to the MANDATORY-GROUPS clause;  that is what was done
in the PKTC-MTA-MIB in PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728.

(x) If you decide to retain the object pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
then it would be proper to add the following OBJECT clause:

           OBJECT  pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
               SYNTAX      { ipv4(1) }
               DESCRIPTION
                   " Support for address types other than ipv4(1)
                     is not required."

(y) The following OBJECT clause looks suspect to me:

           OBJECT  pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity
               MIN-ACCESS  read-only
               DESCRIPTION
                   " The behavior of the SNMP Agent when the object is
                     set is currently undefined. Object should be
                     implemented as read-only."

Unless there is some clear way that the behavior could in the future
be well-defined if this object is changed, then the correct thing to
do is to eliminate this OBJECT clause and change the MAX-ACCESS value
in the object definition to read-only.

(z) The following OBJECT clauses are all bogus and need to be
removed:

         OBJECT  pktcMtaDevRealmName
             MIN-ACCESS  read-only
             DESCRIPTION
                 " The behavior of the SNMP Agent when the object is
                   set is currently undefined. Object should be
                   implemented as read-only after the conceptual
                   row is created."

         OBJECT  pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName
             MIN-ACCESS  read-only
             DESCRIPTION
                 " The behavior of the SNMP Agent when the object is
                   set is currently undefined. Object should be
                   implemented as read-only after the conceptual
                   row is created."

         OBJECT  pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn
             MIN-ACCESS  read-only
             DESCRIPTION
                 " The behavior of the SNMP Agent when the object is
                   set is currently undefined. Object should be
                   implemented as read-only after the conceptual
                   row is created."

         OBJECT  pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName
             MIN-ACCESS  read-only
             DESCRIPTION
                 " The behavior of the SNMP Agent when the object is
                   set is currently undefined. Object should be
                   implemented as read-only after the conceptual
                   row is created."

Each of the objects in question has a MAX-ACCESS of read-create.
Using a MIN-ACCESS clause in this way means that an agent may
(but need not) allow full read-create access.  That is clearly
not what you want, if the DESCRIPTION clause means what it says.

The correct way to do what you want is to say, in the DESCRIPTION
clause of the status column, that the object in question may not
be modified when the status is active(1).  See #11(s) above,
where specific changes are recommended.

This concludes the review of draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt,
Part 1.  Much of the MIB module still need be reviewed, but that is
deferred until the -02 draft and/or another reviewer is available.

Regards,

Mike Heard


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Elena Vengerova wrote:
> > > 1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> > > Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.
> > >
> > Then you better get rid of those "Some MIB compilers" because it is
> 
> I don't think that, for example, EMANATE SNMP Agent and its mosy are bad.
> As I know EMANATE SNMP products are respectable enough.

Elena, are you referring to arbitrary SYNTAX or just this kind of
special case:

        OBJECT      ifStackStatus
        SYNTAX      RowStatus { active(1) } -- subset of RowStatus
        MIN-ACCESS  read-only
        DESCRIPTION
            "Write access is not required, and only one of the six
            enumerated values for the RowStatus textual convention
            need be supported, specifically: active(1)."

where enumerations are specified with a TC name?  It is indeed true
that mosy, and older versions of SMICng, will flag this as a syntax
error ... the message from mosy is something like this:

IF-MIB.my:1805: syntax error
last token read was "{"

However, neither of those MIB compilers complains about this:

        OBJECT      ifStackStatus
        SYNTAX      INTEGER { active(1) } -- subset of RowStatus
        MIN-ACCESS  read-only
        DESCRIPTION
            "Write access is not required, and only one of the six
            enumerated values for the RowStatus textual convention need
            be supported, specifically: active(1)."

It's not accurate to say that mosy won't accept SYNTAX refinements
in general; it's just the special case of syntax refinements that
restrict enumerations being used with TCs (as opposed to base types)
that cause problems.  The latter form is what's actually used in the
IF-MIB (RFC 2863), doubtless to prevent this specific error message.

BTW, both of the above forms are accepted by the current versions
smilint and SMICng.

> > perfectly valid and appropriate to refine the SYNTAX on an
> > OBJECT (via the OBJECTS CLAUSE) in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> 
> I do not say that it's invalid from syntax point of view.
> But do you really think that it's necessary to produce
> problems to people without any necessiry? :)

Let me bring to your attention the following note on p. 25 of
<draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt>:

 There has been some dispute as to whether syntax refinements that
 restrict enumerations (RFC 2578, Section 9) are permitted with TCs,
 as shown in these examples, or are allowed only with the base types
 INTEGER and BITS, as suggested by a strict reading of RFC 2578.  The
 rough consensus of the editors of the SMIv2 documents and the current
 pool of OPS Area MIB reviewers is that they should be allowed with
 TCs.  MIB module authors should be aware that some MIB compilers
 follow the strict reading of RFC 2578 and require that the TC be
 replaced by its base type (INTEGER or BITS) when enumerations are
 refined.  That usage is legal, and it can be found in some older MIB
 modules such as the IF-MIB [RFC2863].

It has become common practice in IETF MIB modules to use syntax
refinements that restrict enumerations with TCs (many of the IPCDN
MIB modules do so).  You should definitely ask your vendors to
update any MIB compilers that won't accept this construct.

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>>It has become common practice in IETF MIB modules to use syntax
>>refinements that restrict enumerations with TCs (many of the IPCDN
>>MIB modules do so).  You should definitely ask your vendors to
>>update any MIB compilers that won't accept this construct.

Does this also apply in the case of syntax
refinements that restrict size definitions with TCs ?

Thanks in advance,
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From: "C. M. Heard" <heard@pobox.com>
To: Elena Vengerova <Elena.Vengerova@oktet.ru>
cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>, ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Comments to CableHome MIB drafts

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Elena Vengerova wrote:
> > > 1. Usuallyy SYNTAX is not specified in MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> > > Some MIB compilers consider this like an error.
> > >
> > Then you better get rid of those "Some MIB compilers" because it is
> 
> I don't think that, for example, EMANATE SNMP Agent and its mosy are bad.
> As I know EMANATE SNMP products are respectable enough.

Elena, are you referring to arbitrary SYNTAX or just this kind of
special case:

        OBJECT      ifStackStatus
        SYNTAX      RowStatus { active(1) } -- subset of RowStatus
        MIN-ACCESS  read-only
        DESCRIPTION
            "Write access is not required, and only one of the six
            enumerated values for the RowStatus textual convention
            need be supported, specifically: active(1)."

where enumerations are specified with a TC name?  It is indeed true
that mosy, and older versions of SMICng, will flag this as a syntax
error ... the message from mosy is something like this:

IF-MIB.my:1805: syntax error
last token read was "{"

However, neither of those MIB compilers complains about this:

        OBJECT      ifStackStatus
        SYNTAX      INTEGER { active(1) } -- subset of RowStatus
        MIN-ACCESS  read-only
        DESCRIPTION
            "Write access is not required, and only one of the six
            enumerated values for the RowStatus textual convention need
            be supported, specifically: active(1)."

It's not accurate to say that mosy won't accept SYNTAX refinements
in general; it's just the special case of syntax refinements that
restrict enumerations being used with TCs (as opposed to base types)
that cause problems.  The latter form is what's actually used in the
IF-MIB (RFC 2863), doubtless to prevent this specific error message.

BTW, both of the above forms are accepted by the current versions
smilint and SMICng.

> > perfectly valid and appropriate to refine the SYNTAX on an
> > OBJECT (via the OBJECTS CLAUSE) in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE.
> 
> I do not say that it's invalid from syntax point of view.
> But do you really think that it's necessary to produce
> problems to people without any necessiry? :)

Let me bring to your attention the following note on p. 25 of
<draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt>:

 There has been some dispute as to whether syntax refinements that
 restrict enumerations (RFC 2578, Section 9) are permitted with TCs,
 as shown in these examples, or are allowed only with the base types
 INTEGER and BITS, as suggested by a strict reading of RFC 2578.  The
 rough consensus of the editors of the SMIv2 documents and the current
 pool of OPS Area MIB reviewers is that they should be allowed with
 TCs.  MIB module authors should be aware that some MIB compilers
 follow the strict reading of RFC 2578 and require that the TC be
 replaced by its base type (INTEGER or BITS) when enumerations are
 refined.  That usage is legal, and it can be found in some older MIB
 modules such as the IF-MIB [RFC2863].

It has become common practice in IETF MIB modules to use syntax
refinements that restrict enumerations with TCs (many of the IPCDN
MIB modules do so).  You should definitely ask your vendors to
update any MIB compilers that won't accept this construct.

//cmh




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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Donati Andrew-MGIA0477 wrote:
> >>It has become common practice in IETF MIB modules to use syntax
> >>refinements that restrict enumerations with TCs (many of the IPCDN
> >>MIB modules do so).  You should definitely ask your vendors to
> >>update any MIB compilers that won't accept this construct.
> 
> Does this also apply in the case of syntax
> refinements that restrict size definitions with TCs ?

Those have always been legal in SMIv2, and all of the SMIv2-capable
MIB compilers I have ever used accept them, even very old ones.  If
you have a compiler that doesn't, you need to get it replaced, as
the use of size and range refinements with TCs is quite common.

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Rich & Bert,

Some time ago a comment was made to change docsQosPktClassVlanId from Integer32 (0..4094) to
the textual convention "VlanIdOrAny". However at the time (5/7/2003), the Bridging Group was having a email "ballot" if 
4095 could be used as Wildcard. The status of that "ballot" is still unknown, do you have any updates?
I did not see this textual convetion in the Latest (version 5 July 2003), of the draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-05.txt.

Does the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB really have to use this textual convention? Can we just Integer32(-1 | 0..4094), and state that -1 means that either a Wildcard or not present, and that the docsQosPktClassBitMap should be use to see if the VlanId was present in the Modem TLV file? 

I do not want to have the QoS MIB dependent on a textual convetion that may or may not be. And the QoS MIB is not the correct mib in which to define this Textual Convetion.

I really pefer not have the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB dependent on another MIB, just for a textual convetion to compile this MIB, especially if the textual convetion is being put into a draft the obsoletes RFC 1493, a RFC that DOCSIS requires Bridging CMTS/CM to implement and thus would be present in the SNMP managers, which could lead to more operator confusion.
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Final meeting minutes attached for IETF proceedings.

(for wg: the enclosed minutes are identical to the ones sent to the list
on 7/17 - no comments were received).

---------------------
IETF IPCDN Meeting
Vienna, Austria
Wednesday July 16, 2003

Reported by Azlina Ahmad (azlina@cisco.com)
         and Kevin Luehrs (k.luehrs@cablelabs.com)
Edited by Jean-Francois Mule' (jfm@cablelabs.com)


--- WG Meeting Summary
--- ------------------
Fifteen attendees of the IP over Cable Data Networks WG met
at the Vienna IETF on July 16, 2003. The WG discussed the status of its
updated work items, that is the 11 Internet-Draft updates released since
the last meeting: two drafts for DOCSIS MIBs, three drafts for
PacketCable/IPCablecom, and six drafts for CableHome. We also discussed
some considerations on the DOCSIS IGMP MIB ID. Total meeting time was
about one hour.

Meeting materials will be provided as part of the IETF proceedings and
are also posted at http://www.ipcdn.org/meetings.html


- Summary of decisions made
  (e.g., document accepted as WG item,
    documents ready for IETF LC, etc.)

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-10.txt
    pending resolution of 2 open issues (see action items below), the
    bpi+ ID is ready for WGLC. Expected ID update by
    end of August/early September'03 and launch of WGLC shortly after.

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-11.txt
    draft is ready for a new WGLC (given the latest changes). There was
    no objections from the WG.

  o expired draft-ietf-ipcdn-igmp-mib-04.txt
    Considerations & request for input were brought up by WG chair
    during the meeting: the proposal is to simply withdraw & stop the
    ipcdn IGMP mib. This proposal is being considered by the wg chairs
    and motivated by:
      a) no activity on the draft & no volunteer to solve MIB doctor
         comments since August 14, 2002;
      b) inability to find operators interested in using this MIB
         mechanism to configure & monitor IGMP using a specific ipcdn
         IGMP MIB even though there is product support for some vendors;
      c) ipcdn Atlanta rule: no updates in more than 2 IETF meetings.
    A decision will be made by the chairs by 8/14/03 based on solicited
    input.

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt
    awaiting end of WGLC that is 7/18/03.

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
    awaiting end of WGLC that is 7/18/03.
    list of oustanding issues is available on ipcdn and was sent to the
    list; resolution of those issues is the next step; there was no
    comments on the list of issues during the IETF 57 meeting; see AI6.

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-02.txt
    draft needs to be reviewed, especially alignment with RFC2669 &
    Syslog MIB ID. See AI7 below.

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-addressing-mib-00.txt
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-config-mib-00.txt
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-device-mib-00.txt
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-qos-mib-00.txt
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-security-mib-00.txt
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt
    CableHome IDs need to be reviewed, have been submitted for ipcdn
    consideration & feedback since October 2002. Call for Volunteers.


- Summary of Action Items (AI), [owner] of action item, and target date
  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-10.txt
     AI1: send detailed response to ipcdn list detailing how Bert's
          comments were addressed in draft-10; [jfm] 7/18/03
     AI2: co-authors to address 2 remaining open issues and release
          draft-11; [Alex Katnelson - CableLabs] 8/31/03
          a) Explain why for some objects enum values start with 0
             (docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmBpiVersion, docsBpi2CmtsTEKSAType)
          b) Split compliance statement into 2, 1 for CM, 1 for CMTS
     AI3: wg chairs to launch bpiplus WGLC; [chairs] 9/1/03

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-11.txt
     AI4: wg chairs to launch WGLC after IETF 57 meeting;
          [chairs] 8/1/03 (=3Dstart date of WGLC)

  o expired draft-ietf-ipcdn-igmp-mib-04.txt
     AI5: wg chairs to announce decision on draft withdrawal; [chairs]
          8/14/03

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt
     AI6: resolve list of documented oustanding issues; [Gordon Beacham]
          8/31/03

  o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-02.txt
     AI7: review draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-02.txt; [Azlina Ahmad]
          8/15/03

  o CableHome IDs
     AI8: co-chairs to call for volunteers to review CH drafts by 8/1/03
          with the goal to have 2 assignments for each ID by 8/15/03.
          [chairs]



- Review of the charter milestones to verify they are still correct
    IPCDN WG charter milestones as available on IETF site are completely
    out of date.

- Review of current charter:
    Updated charter proposal for IESG approval has been sent to ADs.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
> Some time ago a comment was made to change docsQosPktClassVlanId
> from Integer32 (0..4094) to the textual convention
> "VlanIdOrAny". However at the time (5/7/2003), the Bridging
> Group was having a email "ballot" if 4095 could be used as
> Wildcard. The status of that "ballot" is still unknown, do you
> have any updates? I did not see this textual convetion in the
> Latest (version 5 July 2003), of the
> draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-05.txt.

I believe that the IEEE did agree that 4095 could be used as a
wildcard.  However, no work has been done on a set of VLAN
TEXTUAL-CONVENTIONS ... draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-05.txt
doesn't use it.  draft-ietf-bridge-ext-v2-01.txt has expired, and
the Framework Policy Information Base was published as RFC 3318
in March 2003 with this definition:

  frwk802FilterVlanId OBJECT-TYPE
      SYNTAX         Integer32 (-1 | 1..4094)
      STATUS         current
      DESCRIPTION
          "The VLAN ID (VID) that uniquely identifies a VLAN
          within the device. This VLAN may be known or unknown
          (i.e., traffic associated with this VID has not yet
          been seen by the device) at the time this entry
          is instantiated.

          Setting the frwk802FilterVlanId object to -1 indicates
          that VLAN data should not be considered during traffic
          classification."

      ::= { frwk802FilterEntry 5 }

> Does the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB really have to use this textual
> convention? Can we just Integer32(-1 | 0..4094), and state that
> -1 means that either a Wildcard or not present, and that the
> docsQosPktClassBitMap should be use to see if the VlanId was
> present in the Modem TLV file?

I can't speak for the AD or WG chairs but under the circumstances
(specifically the lack of forward progress on getting a common TC) 
this sounds reasonable to me.

> I do not want to have the QoS MIB dependent on a textual
> convetion that may or may not be. And the QoS MIB is not the
> correct mib in which to define this Textual Convetion.

I agree.

> I really pefer not have the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB dependent on
> another MIB, just for a textual convetion to compile this MIB,
> especially if the textual convetion is being put into a draft
> the obsoletes RFC 1493, a RFC that DOCSIS requires Bridging
> CMTS/CM to implement and thus would be present in the SNMP
> managers, which could lead to more operator confusion.

I have some sympathy for your dislike of dependencies since it can
extend the publication schedule for reasons beyond your control.  
That said, there is something in the above paragraph that I feel
needs to be corrected.  The SMIv2 rules on MIB module revisions are
designed specifically to guarantee that a new version of a MIB
module can be used by managers to support agents that implement an
older version:  definitions of all kinds (objects, TCs, groups,
compliance statements) may not be removed or renamed (only
deprecated or obsoleted), semantically incompatible changes are not
allowed, and OIDs may not be assigned or re-used.  In the IETF we
strive to follow these rules, and with the review system we now have
in place I think we generally succeed.  So I don't think you should
be sticking to obsolete versions on MIB modules for fear of
backward-incompatible changes.  (And if there is a module you care
about that's being revised, you can and should comment either to the
WG or at IETF last call time if you see backward-incompatible
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 iceFlowStatsTable
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Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object and you now approve of these descriptions.
I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to your comments as soon as I return:

docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the number
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this 
                    service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
                    maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service flow. CMs not classifying
                    downstream packets may report this object's value as 0 for downstream service flows.
	        This object does not count MAC-specific
                    management messages.
		
		    Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                    primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant 
                    size should be counted only on the primary service 
                    flow's counters.	    	
	            
		    Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non 
		    MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
		    service flow should increment this object for that service flow.
	                
		    This object does include packets counted by 
                    docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not include
                    packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts 
	        and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		    indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }

docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC 
	            header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted 
                    in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. 
                    Note that this counts the octets after payload header
                    suppression and before payload header expansion has 
	            been applied. CMs not classifying to a
                    downstream service flow may report this object's 
                    value as 0 for downstream service flows.

                    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		    indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }


docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
                    with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream packet or 
                    an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

	            This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		    indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the number 
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
                    service flow dropped due to:
	               (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
	                    enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
		   (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the 
	                   Unsolicited Grant Size with a 
	                   Request/Transmission policy that requires such 
                               packets to be dropped.
	  
                     Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
	         counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this 
	         service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming service flows.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		    indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in order to 
		    maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This object 
	            will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows because the
		    Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
	                This object is 0 for incoming service flows.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		    indexes this object."	
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. M. Heard [mailto:heard@pobox.com]
> Sent: donderdag 14 augustus 2003 17:05
> To: Murwin William-LWM008
> Cc: Richard Woundy (E-mail); 'bwijnen@lucent.com'; Michael W. Patrick
> (E-mail); IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [ipcdn] Textual Convention VlanIdOrAny
> 
> 
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
> > Some time ago a comment was made to change docsQosPktClassVlanId
> > from Integer32 (0..4094) to the textual convention
> > "VlanIdOrAny". However at the time (5/7/2003), the Bridging
> > Group was having a email "ballot" if 4095 could be used as
> > Wildcard. The status of that "ballot" is still unknown, do you
> > have any updates? I did not see this textual convetion in the
> > Latest (version 5 July 2003), of the
> > draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-05.txt.
> 
> I believe that the IEEE did agree that 4095 could be used as a
> wildcard.  However, no work has been done on a set of VLAN
> TEXTUAL-CONVENTIONS ... draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-05.txt
> doesn't use it.  draft-ietf-bridge-ext-v2-01.txt has expired, and
> the Framework Policy Information Base was published as RFC 3318
> in March 2003 with this definition:
> 
>   frwk802FilterVlanId OBJECT-TYPE
>       SYNTAX         Integer32 (-1 | 1..4094)
>       STATUS         current
>       DESCRIPTION
>           "The VLAN ID (VID) that uniquely identifies a VLAN
>           within the device. This VLAN may be known or unknown
>           (i.e., traffic associated with this VID has not yet
>           been seen by the device) at the time this entry
>           is instantiated.
> 
>           Setting the frwk802FilterVlanId object to -1 indicates
>           that VLAN data should not be considered during traffic
>           classification."
> 
>       ::= { frwk802FilterEntry 5 }
> 
> > Does the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB really have to use this textual
> > convention? Can we just Integer32(-1 | 0..4094), and state that
> > -1 means that either a Wildcard or not present, and that the
> > docsQosPktClassBitMap should be use to see if the VlanId was
> > present in the Modem TLV file?
> 
> I can't speak for the AD or WG chairs but under the circumstances
> (specifically the lack of forward progress on getting a common TC) 
> this sounds reasonable to me.
> 
I will accept such a definition, since that is similar to what the
Framework PIB has defined.

My eprsonal believe however is that if we now were to define a TC
for this, that it would probably be (0..4095) where 4095 would
be defined as the wildcard value. I base this on the discussion
we have had sofar on this topic. But it is only my current expectation,
one is never sure untill we do see consensus on the topic.

So if you were to ever want to import and use that TC and we indeed
ended up with (0..4095), then you could not replace your definition
with the TC. Probably that is OK. Just want you to be aware of this.

I will try to stirr up discussion in bridge MIB WG and see if 
we can get to consensus, so you can use it as input when you
decide.

W.r.t. the below... Mike is correct.

Bert
> > I do not want to have the QoS MIB dependent on a textual
> > convetion that may or may not be. And the QoS MIB is not the
> > correct mib in which to define this Textual Convetion.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> > I really pefer not have the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB dependent on
> > another MIB, just for a textual convetion to compile this MIB,
> > especially if the textual convetion is being put into a draft
> > the obsoletes RFC 1493, a RFC that DOCSIS requires Bridging
> > CMTS/CM to implement and thus would be present in the SNMP
> > managers, which could lead to more operator confusion.
> 
> I have some sympathy for your dislike of dependencies since it can
> extend the publication schedule for reasons beyond your control.  
> That said, there is something in the above paragraph that I feel
> needs to be corrected.  The SMIv2 rules on MIB module revisions are
> designed specifically to guarantee that a new version of a MIB
> module can be used by managers to support agents that implement an
> older version:  definitions of all kinds (objects, TCs, groups,
> compliance statements) may not be removed or renamed (only
> deprecated or obsoleted), semantically incompatible changes are not
> allowed, and OIDs may not be assigned or re-used.  In the IETF we
> strive to follow these rules, and with the review system we now have
> in place I think we generally succeed.  So I don't think you should
> be sticking to obsolete versions on MIB modules for fear of
> backward-incompatible changes.  (And if there is a module you care
> about that's being revised, you can and should comment either to the
> WG or at IETF last call time if you see backward-incompatible
> changes being made.)
> 
> Mike
> 

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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
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Hi William,

Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:

                    For outgoing service flows, =20
                    this object counts the number
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this=20
                    service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
                    maximum rate policing function.

What would make more sense to me is the following:

                    For outgoing service flows, =20
                    this object counts the number
                    of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this=20
                    service flow.




Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
the same thing:

                Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant=20
                size should be counted only on the primary service=20
                flow's counters.	    =09
	           =20
		    Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non=20
		    MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
		    service flow should increment this object for that=20
                service flow.

Perhaps it would be better to reword as:

                Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant=20
                size should be counted only by the instance of=20
                this object that is associated with the primary=20
                service flow.

		    Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non=20
		    MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
		    service flow should be counted by the instance of=20
                this object that is associated with the primary=20
                service flow.

Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:

                Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow=20
                without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified=20
                user data packets, or data packets that exceed a=20
                UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance=20
                of this object that is associated with the primary=20
                service flow.                =20


Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
draft-09.

-Greg




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Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
and you now approve of these descriptions.
I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
your comments as soon as I return:

docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
number
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this=20
                    service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
                    maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
service flow. CMs not classifying
                    downstream packets may report this object's value as
0 for downstream service flows.
	        This object does not count MAC-specific
                    management messages.
	=09
		    Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                    primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant=20
                    size should be counted only on the primary service=20
                    flow's counters.	    =09
	           =20
		    Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non=20
		    MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
		    service flow should increment this object for that
service flow.
	               =20
		    This object does include packets counted by=20
                    docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
include
                    packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts

	        and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the=20
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that=20
		    indexes this object."
    ::=3D { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }

docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC=20
	            header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
counted=20
                    in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.=20
                    Note that this counts the octets after payload
header
                    suppression and before payload header expansion has=20
	            been applied. CMs not classifying to a
                    downstream service flow may report this object's=20
                    value as 0 for downstream service flows.

                    This counter's last discontinuity is the=20
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that=20
		    indexes this object."
    ::=3D { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }


docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
                    with an unknown payload header suppression index for
a service flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
packet or=20
                    an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

	            This counter's last discontinuity is the=20
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that=20
		    indexes this object."
    ::=3D { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
number=20
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
                    service flow dropped due to:
	               (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
while
	                    enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
Rate; or
		   (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the=20
	                   Unsolicited Grant Size with a=20
	                   Request/Transmission policy that requires
such=20
                               packets to be dropped.
	 =20
                     Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
must be
	         counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this=20
	         service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
service flows.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the=20
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that=20
		    indexes this object."
    ::=3D { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
order to=20
		    maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
object=20
	            will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
because the
		    Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
	                This object is 0 for incoming service flows.

		    This counter's last discontinuity is the=20
	            ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that=20
		    indexes this object."=09
    ::=3D { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }

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Hi -

Glancing through draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt,
I'm left wondering why it didn't just reference RFC 2925 for the
ping capability.  Since an update to RFC 2925 is in the works
(draft-ietf-disman-remops-mib-v2-00.txt), are there any specific
changes that we might make that would make the duplication
unnecessary?

Randy Presuhn (disman WG chair)

> From: <Internet-Drafts@ietf.org>
> To: <IETF-Announce:>
> Cc: <ipcdn@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:54 AM
> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt
>

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the IP over Cable Data Network Working Group of the IETF.
>
> Title : Cable Gateway Tools Management Information Base for
>                           CableHome compliant Residential Gateways
> Author(s) : E. Cardona et al.
> Filename : draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt
> Pages : 20
> Date : 2003-6-24
>
> This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
> for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
> In particular, it defines a basic set of managed objects for SNMP-
> based management of CableHome compliant WAN Gateway Devices and home
> routers.  Specifically, this MIB defines managed objects for both a
> connection speed tool and an ICMP 'ping' tool between the Gateway and
> devices on the LAN.
> This memo specifies a MIB module in a manner that is compliant to the
> SNMP SMIv2 [5][6][7].  The set of objects is consistent with the SNMP
> framework and existing SNMP standards.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
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Hi, William and Greg,

Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
  I have some comments/questions.

1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
  I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long 
time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't 
understand why the word "classified" is needed.

   If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified 
DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service 
flow ?

2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
    You have already had
      "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "

      Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
      " CMs not classifying to a
         downstream service flow may report this object's
          value as 0 for downstream service flows."

      By the way, would you please take the description in  the 
SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size 
into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.

      "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this 
specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size 
specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic 
Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may 
ultimately be used for billing."

     This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same 
RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the 
bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

     Thanks a lot !
    Minnie



At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
>sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function.
>
>What would make more sense to me is the following:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
>                     service flow.
>
>
>
>
>Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
>description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
>the same thing:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only on the primary service
>                 flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>                 service flow.
>
>Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
>
>                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
>                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
>                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
>                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
>                 of this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
>draft-09.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
>IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
>Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
>docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
>for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
>I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
>submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
>Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
>and you now approve of these descriptions.
>I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
>your comments as soon as I return:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
>upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
>service flow. CMs not classifying
>                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
>0 for downstream service flows.
>                 This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only on the primary service
>                     flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>service flow.
>
>                     This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
>include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>
>                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
>header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
>                     downstream service flow may report this object's
>                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
>a service flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
>while
>                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
>Rate; or
>                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
>such
>                                packets to be dropped.
>
>                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
>must be
>                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
>service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
>order to
>                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>object
>                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>because the
>                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
>                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>______________________________
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Hi, William.
I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
...
                    For CMTS incoming upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
flow."

docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
...
              "The number of packets received on the service flow
              with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
packet or 
              an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
will be acceptable.
Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
Thanks.
Lucy
  


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From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William and Greg,

Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
  I have some comments/questions.

1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
  I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long 
time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't 
understand why the word "classified" is needed.

   If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified 
DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service 
flow ?

2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
    You have already had
      "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "

      Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
      " CMs not classifying to a
         downstream service flow may report this object's
          value as 0 for downstream service flows."

      By the way, would you please take the description in  the 
SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size 
into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.

      "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this 
specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size 
specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic 
Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may 
ultimately be used for billing."

     This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same 
RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the 
bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

     Thanks a lot !
    Minnie



At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
>sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function.
>
>What would make more sense to me is the following:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
>                     service flow.
>
>
>
>
>Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
>description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
>the same thing:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only on the primary service
>                 flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>                 service flow.
>
>Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
>
>                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
>                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
>                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
>                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
>                 of this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
>draft-09.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
>IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
>Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
>docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
>for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
>I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
>submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
>Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
>and you now approve of these descriptions.
>I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
>your comments as soon as I return:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
>upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
>service flow. CMs not classifying
>                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
>0 for downstream service flows.
>                 This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only on the primary service
>                     flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>service flow.
>
>                     This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
>include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>
>                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
>header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
>                     downstream service flow may report this object's
>                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
>a service flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
>while
>                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
>Rate; or
>                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
>such
>                                packets to be dropped.
>
>                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
>must be
>                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
>service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
>order to
>                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>object
>                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>because the
>                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
>                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>______________________________
>William Murwin
>Broadband Communications Sector
>Motorola Inc.
>Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
>Tel: (508) 851-8385
>
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William,

I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
Greg or Minnie's suggested text?

With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
these lines?

Regards,
Margo

-----Original Message-----
From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
Pollak, Lucy
Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William.
I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
...
                    For CMTS incoming upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
flow."

docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
...
              "The number of packets received on the service flow
              with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
packet or
              an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
will be acceptable.
Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
Thanks.
Lucy



-----Original Message-----
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William and Greg,

Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
  I have some comments/questions.

1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
  I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
understand why the word "classified" is needed.

   If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
flow ?

2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
    You have already had
      "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "

      Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
      " CMs not classifying to a
         downstream service flow may report this object's
          value as 0 for downstream service flows."

      By the way, would you please take the description in  the
SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.

      "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
ultimately be used for billing."

     This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

     Thanks a lot !
    Minnie



At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
>sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function.
>
>What would make more sense to me is the following:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
>                     service flow.
>
>
>
>
>Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
>description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
>the same thing:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only on the primary service
>                 flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>                 service flow.
>
>Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
>
>                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
>                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
>                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
>                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
>                 of this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
>draft-09.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
>IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
>Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
>docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
>for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
>I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
>submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
>Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
>and you now approve of these descriptions.
>I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
>your comments as soon as I return:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
>upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
>service flow. CMs not classifying
>                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
>0 for downstream service flows.
>                 This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only on the primary service
>                     flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>service flow.
>
>                     This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
>include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>
>                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
>header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
>                     downstream service flow may report this object's
>                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
>a service flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
>while
>                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
>Rate; or
>                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
>such
>                                packets to be dropped.
>
>                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
>must be
>                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
>service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
>order to
>                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>object
>                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>because the
>                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
>                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>______________________________
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Hi David,=20

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them:=20

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN?=20
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent?=20
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant) =20
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but...=20
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for=20

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis,=20
      so later agregation is an operative task=20

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that=20

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note:=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address)=20

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ?=20

Am I correct?
One more would be a=20

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D { docsQosMIBObjects 12 =
}=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


=20



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'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg
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'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';
'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';
'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'
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(E-mail); Raftus, David
Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
=20
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions.=20
=20
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
=20
Thanks for your time,
Dave
=20


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.=20

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we=20
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove=20
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a=20
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be=20
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast=20
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems=20
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time. =20
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has=20
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a=20
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation=20
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense=20
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this=20
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"=20
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting =20
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters=20
that the=20
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or=20
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency?=20
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification=20
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of=20
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the=20
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many=20
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs=20
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are=20
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions.=20
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the=20
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23. =20
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification=20
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b).=20
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI=20
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format=20
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is=20
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not,=20
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.=20
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed=20
from :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
           STATUS      current=20
           DESCRIPTION=20
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY=20
signal=20
                quality of an upstream channel.=20
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
           INDEX { ifIndex }=20
           ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
to :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
        STATUS      current=20
        DESCRIPTION=20
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal=20
             quality of an upstream channel.=20
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
        INDEX { ifIndex }=20
        ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205=20
but 129=20

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for=20
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows.=20
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts=20
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS=20
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already=20
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement=20
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having =20
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS=20
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all=20
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,=20
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted=20
for a particular CM.=20
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets=20
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM=20
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary=20
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received=20
data for each CM, then=20
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting=20

       if 'docsis10(1)' then=20
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
      =20
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the=20
mistakes of the past. =20

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





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I strongly discourage this idea. A Docsis 1.0 device does have an entry in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0. The docsQosServiceFlowLogTable is a history of the docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable, where as docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable is for all devices no matter the version of DOCSIS the agent is implementing or version of DOCSIS for CMs connected to the CMTS. 

Also there have been no comments to change the docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for version 9. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Cardona [mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com;
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Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions


Hi David, 

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them: 

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN? 
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent? 
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)  
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but... 
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for 

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis, 
      so later agregation is an operative task 

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that 

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note: 
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address) 

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ? 

Am I correct?
One more would be a 

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 } 
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


 



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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
 
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions. 
 
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
 
Thanks for your time,
Dave
 


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB. 

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we 
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove 
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a 
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be 
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast 
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems 
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time.  
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has 
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a 
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation 
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense 
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this 
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object" 
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting  
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters 
that the 
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or 
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency? 
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification 
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of 
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the 
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many 
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs 
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are 
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions. 
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the 
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23.  
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification 
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b). 
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI 
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format 
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is 
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not, 
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB. 
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed 
from : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
           STATUS      current 
           DESCRIPTION 
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY 
signal 
                quality of an upstream channel. 
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
           INDEX { ifIndex } 
           ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
to : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
        STATUS      current 
        DESCRIPTION 
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal 
             quality of an upstream channel. 
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
        INDEX { ifIndex } 
        ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205 
but 129 

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for 
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows. 
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts 
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS 
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already 
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement 
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having  
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS 
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all 
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS, 
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted 
for a particular CM. 
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets 
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM 
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary 
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received 
data for each CM, then 
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting 

       if 'docsis10(1)' then 
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
       
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the 
mistakes of the past.  

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





 
 
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Sorry I meant to say, "A Docsis 1.0 device does *NOT* have an entry in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0"

-Will

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I strongly discourage this idea. A Docsis 1.0 device does have an entry in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0. The docsQosServiceFlowLogTable is a history of the docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable, where as docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable is for all devices no matter the version of DOCSIS the agent is implementing or version of DOCSIS for CMs connected to the CMTS. 

Also there have been no comments to change the docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for version 9. 


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Hi David, 

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them: 

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN? 
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent? 
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)  
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but... 
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for 

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis, 
      so later agregation is an operative task 

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that 

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note: 
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address) 

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ? 

Am I correct?
One more would be a 

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 } 
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


 



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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
 
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions. 
 
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
 
Thanks for your time,
Dave
 


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB. 

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we 
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove 
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a 
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be 
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast 
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems 
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time.  
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has 
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a 
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation 
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense 
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this 
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object" 
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting  
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters 
that the 
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or 
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency? 
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification 
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of 
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the 
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many 
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs 
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are 
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions. 
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the 
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23.  
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification 
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b). 
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI 
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format 
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is 
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not, 
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB. 
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed 
from : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
           STATUS      current 
           DESCRIPTION 
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY 
signal 
                quality of an upstream channel. 
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
           INDEX { ifIndex } 
           ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
to : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
        STATUS      current 
        DESCRIPTION 
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal 
             quality of an upstream channel. 
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
        INDEX { ifIndex } 
        ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205 
but 129 

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for 
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows. 
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts 
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS 
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already 
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement 
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having  
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS 
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all 
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS, 
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted 
for a particular CM. 
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets 
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM 
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary 
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received 
data for each CM, then 
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting 

       if 'docsis10(1)' then 
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
       
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the 
mistakes of the past.  

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





 
 
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Hi David, 

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them: 

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN? 
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent? 
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)  
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but... 
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for 

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis, 
      so later agregation is an operative task 

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that 

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note: 
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address) 

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ? 

Am I correct?
One more would be a 

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 } 
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


 



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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
 
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions. 
 
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
 
Thanks for your time,
Dave
 


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB. 

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we 
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove 
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a 
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be 
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast 
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems 
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time.  
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has 
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a 
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation 
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense 
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this 
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object" 
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting  
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters 
that the 
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or 
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency? 
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification 
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of 
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the 
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many 
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs 
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are 
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions. 
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the 
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23.  
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification 
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b). 
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI 
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format 
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is 
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not, 
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB. 
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed 
from : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
           STATUS      current 
           DESCRIPTION 
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY 
signal 
                quality of an upstream channel. 
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
           INDEX { ifIndex } 
           ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
to : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
        STATUS      current 
        DESCRIPTION 
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal 
             quality of an upstream channel. 
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
        INDEX { ifIndex } 
        ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205 
but 129 

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for 
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows. 
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts 
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS 
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already 
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement 
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having  
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS 
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all 
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS, 
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted 
for a particular CM. 
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets 
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM 
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary 
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received 
data for each CM, then 
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting 

       if 'docsis10(1)' then 
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
       
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the 
mistakes of the past.  

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





 
 
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David Raftus
Terayon Canada Ltd
340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
 
david.raftus@terayon.com           
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I strongly discourage this idea. A Docsis 1.0 device does have an entry in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0. The docsQosServiceFlowLogTable is a history of the docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable, where as docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable is for all devices no matter the version of DOCSIS the agent is implementing or version of DOCSIS for CMs connected to the CMTS. 

Also there have been no comments to change the docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for version 9. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Cardona [mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com;
kfriedman@correlant.com; fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; Murwin
William-LWM008; ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net
Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
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Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions


Hi David, 

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them: 

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN? 
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent? 
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)  
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but... 
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for 

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis, 
      so later agregation is an operative task 

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that 

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic 
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac    
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive   
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream' 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note: 
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address) 

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ? 

Am I correct?
One more would be a 

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 } 
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


 



 -----Original Message-----
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'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg
White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com';
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'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'
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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
 
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions. 
 
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
 
Thanks for your time,
Dave
 


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB. 

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we 
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove 
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a 
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be 
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast 
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems 
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time.  
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has 
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a 
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation 
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense 
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this 
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object" 
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting  
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters 
that the 
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or 
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency? 
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification 
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of 
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the 
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many 
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs 
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are 
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions. 
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the 
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23.  
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification 
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b). 
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI 
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format 
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is 
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not, 
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB. 
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed 
from : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
           STATUS      current 
           DESCRIPTION 
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY 
signal 
                quality of an upstream channel. 
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
           INDEX { ifIndex } 
           ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
to : 
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
        STATUS      current 
        DESCRIPTION 
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal 
             quality of an upstream channel. 
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem 
Termination 
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
        INDEX { ifIndex } 
        ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205 
but 129 

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for 
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows. 
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts 
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS 
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already 
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement 
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having  
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS 
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all 
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS, 
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted 
for a particular CM. 
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets 
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM 
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary 
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received 
data for each CM, then 
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting 

       if 'docsis10(1)' then 
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
       
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the 
mistakes of the past.  

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





 
 
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Hi Eduardo and all,

Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, there have been two
additions since the original list was circulated:

18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068.
19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to new versions of snmpv3
RFCs

Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 expires end of September):
1) complete
2) complete
3) open
4) complete
5) complete
6) open
7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good idea - may not
implement
8) complete
9) open 
10) complete
11) complete
12) complete
13) open
14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for v7.
15) open
16) open
17) open
18) complete
19) open

Dave

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Cardona [mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com;
fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com;
ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net
Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
(E-mail)
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions

Hi David,

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them:

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN?
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent?
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant) 
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but...
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis,
      so later agregation is an operative task

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

        Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note:
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address)

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ?

Am I correct?
One more would be a

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 }
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo






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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,

Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions.

Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.

Thanks for your time,
Dave



1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time. 
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting 
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters
that the
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency?
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions.
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23. 
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b).
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not,
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed
from :
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
           STATUS      current
           DESCRIPTION
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY
signal
                quality of an upstream channel.
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem
Termination
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
           INDEX { ifIndex }
           ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
to :
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
        STATUS      current
        DESCRIPTION
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal
             quality of an upstream channel.
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem
Termination
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
        INDEX { ifIndex }
        ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205
but 129

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows.
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having 
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted
for a particular CM.
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received
data for each CM, then
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting

       if 'docsis10(1)' then
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
      
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the
mistakes of the past. 

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.







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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Eduardo and all,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, =
there have been two additions since the original list was =
circulated:</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate =
as per oss-n-03068.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also =
to new versions of snmpv3 RFCs</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 =
expires end of September):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>5) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>6) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a =
good idea - may not implement</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>8) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>9) open </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>10) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>11) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>12) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>13) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for =
v7.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>15) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>16) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>17) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>18) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>19) open</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David Raftus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Software Manager</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Terayon Communications Canada</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ottawa Canada&nbsp; K2K 3A2</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>david.raftus@terayon.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>613.592.1052&nbsp; ext 222</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>************************************&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Eduardo Cardona [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</=
A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); =
milu@cisco.com; stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; =
jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White; john.gillis@adc.com; =
lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com; david.white@arrisi.com; =
matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com; fred@stargus.com; =
joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com; ASundelin@stargus.com; =
vhou@juniper.net</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo =
List; Ipcdn List (E-mail)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions =
Then DOCS-QOS-MIB suggestions</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi David,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would like to recap your outstanding open issues =
list and see the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>status of several of them:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>like a short list to focus in the pending =
ones:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>items 1.. 17 Status</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1 CLOSED/OPEN?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3......</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>From the list : CM&nbsp; counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 =
Interoperability</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>items 14, 15 16</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Although I like your proposal of counters per =
subscriber (16), for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear =
how it works. or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really =
big, ( although a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>GetBulk can be selective)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not all CMTSes Caches =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>table/counters persistent?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - if desired persisntent =
CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>growing?&nbsp; ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same =
plant) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same =
questions</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos =
Log is to me a more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>centralized placed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>, but...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; - not introduce conflicts with =
ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ID with&nbsp; SFID US/DS for</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( =
augmenting the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No counters for =
1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>per-flow basis,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; so later agregation =
is an operative task</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Consider : David's Question for DS counters from =
original email:</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;NOTE: =
Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cable modem.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do =
not see any problem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with that</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; **) My proposal is for Log stats into =
the&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowLogTable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm =
boots, etc.)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Would be =
convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;CoS:xxx&quot;&nbsp; with a CoS:basic as =
default but vendors may assign different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is =
present:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>In such way</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 =
Cms and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable =
for 1.0/1.1/2.0</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For 1.0 CM US traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; t1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'upstream'</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'true'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)</=
FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For 1.0 CM DS traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; t1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'dowstream'</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'true'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp; May would =
conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for =
a device is MAC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>address)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For DOCS-QOS-MIB:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think William is trying to add a better control for =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe =
is for draft 09) to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>optimize getbulks requests:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- first, last index ?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Am I correct?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>One more would be a</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D { =
docsQosMIBObjects 12 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;after a bulk of n rows the polling system =
knows the last row index so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>can intruct the =
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>automatically records Ini to End</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Eduardo</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Raftus, David [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com=
</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; =
'stevem@com21.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; =
Eduardo Cardona; Greg</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; =
'alexb@coresma.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'david.white@arrisi.com'; =
'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; =
'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; =
'vhou@juniper.net'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo =
List; Ipcdn List</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(E-mail); Raftus, David</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 =
suggestions</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi everyone,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have =
received publicly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to =
appear in draft v7. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>people on the To: list have participated in either =
initiating or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>commenting on the suggestions.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Could I ask these people to please verify their =
suggestions as they are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is =
extensive - want to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The =
wider communities are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>also welcome to comment.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for your time,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft =
v6</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu =
Cisco, Steve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Malenfant Com21</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove =
line (100 * ((raw</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC =
MAC payload. As we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL =
packets. Suggest to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>remove</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are =
good enough.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters =
related to an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>interface.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the =
docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>there is no such thing as a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;broadcast station maintenance&quot; interval =
for new modems joining the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>network.&nbsp;&nbsp; Station should be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>changed to initial to make the text read - &quot;The =
amount of time to elapse</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>between each broadcast</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>initial maintenance grant.&nbsp; Broadcast initial =
maintenance grants are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>used to allow new cable modems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to join the network.&nbsp; Zero indicates that a =
vendor-specific algorithm is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>used instead of a fixed time. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Maximum amount of time permitted by the =
specification is 2 seconds.&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In =
docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems =
like it's the only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>object in this table without a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>meaningful default value when this parameter does =
not make sense. For</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>instance, for a TDMA modulation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is =
indeed not QPSK0 but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>something else. Does it make sense</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to have a value of 0 in this case, like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA =
profiles?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't =
be good to have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>enumeration unknown(0) for this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>object when not a 2.0 burst ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like &quot;if =
docsIfCmtsModChannelType is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this =
object&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since =
it looks like the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>possible current implementation may be reporting =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' =
for inetAddressType</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona =
Cablelabs</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - =
improve descriptive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of =
parameters</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be =
DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the =
channel width? Then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>what about the frequency?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated =
enough that it would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deserve a more detailed specification</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL =
clause.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - John Gillis ADC</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco =
CMTS, we use IUC14</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>unicast sid number) for quite some time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Q: Should it be counted in =
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>My personal think that this objects seems to mean =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>meaningful&nbsp; UNICAST SID, so user could get a =
good idea about the how</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>minislots really assigned to some meaningful =
CM.&nbsp; So, the reserved IUCs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should be excluded from this object though minislots =
for reserved IUCs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>still be counted into =
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Minnie,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming =
the CMTS reserves</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in =
UcastGrantedMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) =
than grants to SID 0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>This brings up a question that I've had for some =
time.&nbsp; Why does the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????&nbsp; The use =
of IUC14 is prohibited by</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the spec, since it is labeled as =
&quot;Reserved&quot;, and SID 0 is already</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>defined to mean &quot;no CM&quot;.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Greg</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White =
Cablelabs</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for =
successful/failed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ucc transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi, Alex,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do not think that this is good idea. What will you =
count into</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC =
Req/Rsp/Ack is important</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should not be lost because of UCC additions. I =
guess, the better place</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may =
be extended in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>future</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>versions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lucy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>A question about counting successful and failed UCC =
transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC =
failed or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>succeeded operation as it is for DCC =
transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC =
operation for 1.1 modem,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC =
counters (docsQosDCCs,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsQosDCCFails) ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thank you in advance.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis =
Coresma</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>descriptions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lucy,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sorry for the delay in responding.&nbsp; I don't =
have an objection to your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>proposal, as long as the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>format of the object is clear.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To summarize, the object =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>include the &quot;value&quot; from figure 8-23. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB =
object will be the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>main tap location.&nbsp; A clarification</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should also be made to the description of =
docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>indicate your interpretation (b).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure =
8-23 is a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 =
RFI</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>spec (which includes a format to encode reverse =
taps).&nbsp; It seems to make</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sense to me to use the format</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>shown in that figure.&nbsp; Perhaps this MIB object =
could be clarified to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reference both figures.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Greg</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Greg,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to summarize our objections:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length =
is irrelevant.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit =
Equalization Adjust) or 9</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Transmit Equalization Set), which is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>irrelevant after convolution.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV =
should be added also</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>into it. What?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>We propose to use only value from referenced figure =
without type/length</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to avoid questions in the future. If not,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it =
will be also very</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into =
MIB.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Best Regards.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lucy</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White =
Cablelabs</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for =
back compatibility.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>In draft -03 the description of&nbsp; =
docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DESCRIPTION</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;At the CM, describes the PHY =
characteristics of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes =
the PHY</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>signal</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; quality of an upstream channel.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; An entry in this table exists for each =
ifEntry with an</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable =
Modem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Termination</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for =
Cable Modems.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
INDEX { ifIndex }</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DESCRIPTION</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; &quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY =
signal</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; quality of an upstream channel.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable =
Modem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Termination</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; INDEX { =
ifIndex }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ::=3D { =
docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no =
concept of ifType 205</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but 129</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined =
value</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>registeredBPIInitializing(9),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deprecate former value operational(8).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak =
TI, Minnie Lu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cisco, David White Arris,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred =
Oko Stargus, Joe Godas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>13) Adjust compliance statements for objects =
designated optional. Add</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>separate augmentation table for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>optional objects in =
docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy =
IPCDN/Comcast, Mike</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>14) Add section explaining counter interaction =
between Docsis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1.0/1.1/2.0.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The QOS MIB tried to handle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is =
being obsoleted, the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the =
place</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that should clearly state how these counters and =
other tables interact</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, =
&quot;Interoperation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with the version of DOCSIS&quot; like or to =
replace</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to =
describe what table</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are populated under the docsIfMib when the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the modems are registering.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever =
conculsion is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reached, can be document in the description of =
those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>objects.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets =
for both upstream and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>downstream flows.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>One of the things that has long been an issue with =
the RF MIB is that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). =
If the reason for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>keeping this table is to support DOCSIS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1.0 modems would it also make sense to add =
downstream packet counts to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this table, too? Many CMTS'es already</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>count this information and store it in a proprietary =
MIB. It would be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>nice to standardize this as a requirement</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could =
(a) count on it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>existing and (b) find it in a standard =
location.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find =
myself still thinking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>about Minnie suggestion of having </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and =
docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some =
thoughts on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>subject.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS =
1.1 and 2.0, than</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this would the best place in all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the mibs to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get a quick summary of the =
upstream data received by a particular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>modem, no matter the version.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(2) At the same time, The rest of the =
docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>However the more I looked around at the different =
counters that existed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the more I kept looking for an overall counter on =
the CMTS to count data</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>packet received and transmitted</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for a particular CM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 =
new object to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>While I understand that these counts can be gathered =
by via numerous</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>objects on both the CMTS and CM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and then just appling simple math. However I want to =
query only one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>agent and just get a quick summary</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>without have to determine which version of DOCSIS =
the modem is, which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>will determine which mibs I look etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and objects I query.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the =
CMTS) and get the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>number of transmitted and received</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>data for each CM, then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (1) GET-NEXT =
the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DOCSIS this modem is operting</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if 'docsis10(1)' =
then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (2) =
WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ifIndex and SID that</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>matches the index for step (1).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (3) Add the =
all the instances of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the total Received packets from a CM.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE: Not =
sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cable modem.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; else if =
'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (2) WALK the =
docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the instances of that contain the</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
same mac address.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (3) Then GET =
the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ifIndex and</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; service =
flow id from step(2). Add this to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>total of received or transmitted for this CM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; To determine the direction of the flow use the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>same index and query the =
docsQosServiceFlowDirection.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>This seems very complicated for something so simple. =
This is just a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>mistakes of the past. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change =
decription of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>existing object or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>add new object to reconcile unit differences between =
1.1/2.0. Still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>under discussion.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy =
IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Friedman Correlant.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

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</P>

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Hi Minnie,

I think the DESCRIPTION field of the docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval
would be the appropriate place for such a clarification. I'm afraid I don't
quite understand your second suggested sentence - "Users should consider the
steady conditions like 2nd or 3rd window." 

Your first sentence is probably sufficient clarification - would you agree?

Thanks,
Dave

************************************
David Raftus
Software Manager
Terayon Communications Canada
340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2

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613.592.1052  ext 222
************************************               


-----Original Message-----
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM
To: Raftus, David
Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@CableLabs.com
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug
gestions

Hi, David,

   I know it takes already  lots of efforts to update the MIB for such long
list.  Possible to take more ? I would to request to clarify things in this
revision if possible.  Thanks a lot in advance !

   1. I have sent out several questions regarding the
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for your reference).  If we
could have more clarification in the next revision of rfmib, that will be
great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement this object.  My
suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3 docsIfCmtsObjects,
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments before
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the MIB file, add one more
sentence similar to below.

    " It is vendor specific implementation whether to restart the timer
when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed during utilization
reporting is in progress. Users should consider the steady conditions like
2nd or 3rd
window."

     If I miss any thing, please correct me.
    Thanks a lot for your help !
    Minnie

At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David wrote:

>Hi Eduardo and all,
>
>Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, there have been two
>additions since the original list was circulated:
>
>18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068.
>19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to new versions of
>snmpv3 RFCs
>
>Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 expires end of September):
>1) complete
>2) complete
>3) open
>4) complete
>5) complete
>6) open
>7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good idea - may not
>implement
>8) complete
>9) open
>10) complete
>11) complete
>12) complete
>13) open
>14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for v7.
>15) open
>16) open
>17) open
>18) complete
>19) open
>
>Dave
>
>************************************
>David Raftus
>Software Manager
>Terayon Communications Canada
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
>
>david.raftus@terayon.com
>613.592.1052  ext 222
>************************************
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eduardo Cardona
>[<mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com>mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
>To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
>stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
>john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
>david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com;
>fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com;
>ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net
>
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
(E-mail)
>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
>suggestions
>
>Hi David,
>
>I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
>status of several of them:
>
>like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
>items 1.. 17 Status
>1 CLOSED/OPEN?
>2
>3......
>
> From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability
>
>items 14, 15 16
>
>Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
>multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
>duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)
>
>1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
>GetBulk can be selective)
>     - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
>table/counters persistent?
>     - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
>growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)
>2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions
>
>3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
>centralized placed
>, but...
>    - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
>ID with  SFID US/DS for
>
>   * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
>       No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
>per-flow basis,
>       so later agregation is an operative task
>
>Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
>                      "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
>cable modem."
>Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
>with that
>
>   **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
>for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)
>
>         Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
>"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
>names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
>In such way
>- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
>   docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
>- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0
>
>For 1.0 CM US traffic
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive
>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
>Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)
>
>For 1.0 CM DS traffic
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive
>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
>Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)
>
>Note:
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
>assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
>address)
>
>For DOCS-QOS-MIB:
>
>I think William is trying to add a better control for the
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
>- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
>optimize getbulks requests:
>- first, last index ?
>
>Am I correct?
>One more would be a
>
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 }
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
>  after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
>can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
>automatically records Ini to End
>
>Eduardo
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: Raftus, David
>[<mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com>mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM
>To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';
>'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg
>White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com';
>'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';
>'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';
>'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
>(E-mail); Raftus, David
>Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
>or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
>people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
>commenting on the suggestions.
>
>Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
>listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
>ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
>also welcome to comment.
>
>Thanks for your time,
>Dave
>
>
>1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
>DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.
>
>Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
>Malenfant Com21
>
>2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
>bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
>since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we
>know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
>remove
>this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.
>
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco
>
>3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
>interface.
>
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco
>
>4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
>there is no such thing as a
>"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
>network.   Station should be
>changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
>between each broadcast
>initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
>used to allow new cable modems
>to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
>used instead of a fixed time.
>Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."
>
>Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom
>
>5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
>docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has
>2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
>object in this table without a
>meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
>instance, for a TDMA modulation
>profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
>something else. Does it make sense
>to have a value of 0 in this case, like
>docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?
>
>(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
>enumeration unknown(0) for this
>object when not a 2.0 burst ?
>Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
>tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"
>I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
>possible current implementation may be reporting
>'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType
>
>Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
>
>6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
>wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters
>that the
>CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
>Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or
>all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
>what about the frequency?
>Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
>deserve a more detailed specification
>(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.
>
>Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper
>
>7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.
>
>Contributor - John Gillis ADC
>
>8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
>(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of
>unicast sid number) for quite some time.
>Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
>My personal think that this objects seems to mean the
>meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
>many
>minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs
>should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
>are
>still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
>Minnie,
>I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
>that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
>I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
>should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
>This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
>Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
>the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
>defined to mean "no CM".
>-Greg
>
>Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs
>
>9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
>ucc transactions.
>Hi, Alex,
>I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
>docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
>and
>should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
>for
>this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
>future
>versions.
>Regards.
>Lucy
>Hello all,
>A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
>It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
>succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
>The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
>should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
>docsQosDCCFails) ?
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma
>
>10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
>descriptions.
>Lucy,
>Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
>proposal, as long as the
>format of the object is clear.
>To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
>include the "value" from figure 8-23.
>In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
>main tap location.  A clarification
>should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
>indicate your interpretation (b).
>Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
>simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI
>spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
>sense to me to use the format
>shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
>reference both figures.
>-Greg
>
>Greg,
>to summarize our objections:
>1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
>2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
>(Transmit Equalization Set), which is
>irrelevant after convolution.
>3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
>into it. What?
>We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
>to avoid questions in the future. If not,
>(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
>helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.
>Best Regards.
>Lucy
>
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs
>
>11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
>In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed
>from :
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>            SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
>            MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>            STATUS      current
>            DESCRIPTION
>                "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
>                 downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY
>signal
>                 quality of an upstream channel.
>                 An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
>                 ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem
>Termination
>                 Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
>            INDEX { ifIndex }
>            ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
>to :
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>         SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
>         MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>         STATUS      current
>         DESCRIPTION
>             "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
>              downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal
>              quality of an upstream channel.
>              An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
>              ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem
>Termination
>              Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
>         INDEX { ifIndex }
>         ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
>But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205
>but 129
>
>Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
>
>12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
>registeredBPIInitializing(9),
>deprecate former value operational(8).
>
>Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
>Cisco, David White Arris,
>Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
>Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21
>
>13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
>separate augmentation table for
>optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.
>
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
>StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
>
>14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
>1.0/1.1/2.0.
>The QOS MIB tried to handle
>DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
>rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
>that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
>in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
>I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
>with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
>what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
>are populated under the docsIfMib when the
>the modems are registering.
>This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
>reached, can be document in the description of those
>objects.
>
>Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco
>
>15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
>downstream flows.
>One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
>the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts
>InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
>keeping this table is to support DOCSIS
>1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
>this table, too? Many CMTS'es already
>count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
>nice to standardize this as a requirement
>so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
>existing and (b) find it in a standard location.
>
>Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus
>
>16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
>While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
>about Minnie suggestion of having
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
>DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS
>MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
>subject.
>(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
>this would the best place in all
>of the mibs to
>     get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
>modem, no matter the version.
>(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
>make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
>However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
>in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,
>the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
>packet received and transmitted
>for a particular CM.
>I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
>While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
>objects on both the CMTS and CM
>and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
>agent and just get a quick summary
>without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
>will determine which mibs I look etc.
>and objects I query.
>
>For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
>number of transmitted and received
>data for each CM, then
>        (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
>DOCSIS this modem is operting
>
>        if 'docsis10(1)' then
>                      (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
>ifIndex and SID that
>                        have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
>matches the index for step (1).
>
>                      (3) Add the all the instances of
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
>                        ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
>the total Received packets from a CM.
>
>                      NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
>cable modem.
>
>        else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
>                      (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
>the instances of that contain the
>                        same mac address.
>                      (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
>ifIndex and
>                       service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
>total of received or transmitted for this CM.
>                          To determine the direction of the flow use the
>same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
>This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
>suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the
>mistakes of the past.
>
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco
>
>17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
>existing object or
>add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
>under discussion.
>
>Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
>Friedman Correlant.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>************************************
>David Raftus
>Terayon Canada Ltd
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
>
>david.raftus@terayon.com
>613.592.1052  ext 222
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Minnie,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think the DESCRIPTION field of the =
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval would be the appropriate place for =
such a clarification. I'm afraid I don't quite understand your second =
suggested sentence - &quot;Users should consider the steady conditions =
like 2nd or 3rd window.&quot; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Your first sentence is probably sufficient =
clarification - would you agree?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David Raftus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Software Manager</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Terayon Communications Canada</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ottawa Canada&nbsp; K2K 3A2</FONT>
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<P><FONT =
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>613.592.1052&nbsp; ext 222</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Minnie Lu [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:milu@cisco.com">mailto:milu@cisco.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Raftus, David</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; =
docsis-oss@CableLabs.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions =
Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi, David,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I know it takes already&nbsp; lots of =
efforts to update the MIB for such long</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>list.&nbsp; Possible to take more ? I would to =
request to clarify things in this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>revision if possible.&nbsp; Thanks a lot in advance =
!</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. I have sent out several questions =
regarding the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for =
your reference).&nbsp; If we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>could have more clarification in the next revision =
of rfmib, that will be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement =
this object.&nbsp; My</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3 =
docsIfCmtsObjects,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments =
before</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the =
MIB file, add one more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sentence similar to below.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot; It is vendor specific =
implementation whether to restart the timer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed =
during utilization</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reporting is in progress. Users should consider the =
steady conditions like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2nd or 3rd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>window.&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If I miss any thing, please =
correct me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks a lot for your help =
!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Minnie</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David =
wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hi Eduardo and all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib =
updates, there have been two</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;additions since the original list was =
circulated:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;18) Add new object =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, =
also to new versions of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;snmpv3 RFCs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 =
expires end of September):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;4) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;5) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;6) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;7) open - after consideration, not sure this is =
a good idea - may not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;implement</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;8) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;9) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;10) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;11) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;12) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;13) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;14) open - a large task - not sure will be done =
for v7.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;15) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;16) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;17) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;18) complete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;19) open</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Dave</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;David Raftus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Software Manager</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Terayon Communications Canada</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Ottawa Canada&nbsp; K2K 3A2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;david.raftus@terayon.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;613.592.1052&nbsp; ext 222</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;************************************</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;From: Eduardo Cardona</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;[&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</=
A>&gt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</=
A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); =
milu@cisco.com;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; =
jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; =
alexb@coresma.com;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; =
kfriedman@correlant.com;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; =
W.Murwin@motorola.com;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS =
Majordomo List; Ipcdn List (E-mail)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 =
suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;suggestions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hi David,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I would like to recap your outstanding open =
issues list and see the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;status of several of them:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;like a short list to focus in the pending =
ones:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;items 1.. 17 Status</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1 CLOSED/OPEN?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3......</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From the list : CM&nbsp; counters for 1.0 CM =
1.0 Interoperability</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;items 14, 15 16</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Although I like your proposal of counters per =
subscriber (16), for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be =
clear how it works. or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting =
really big, ( although a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;GetBulk can be selective)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not all CMTSes Caches =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;table/counters persistent?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - if desired =
persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;growing?&nbsp; ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in =
same plant)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same =
questions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the =
docsQos Log is to me a more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;centralized placed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;, but...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not introduce conflicts =
with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ID with&nbsp; SFID US/DS for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item =
( augmenting the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, =
OutPackets)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No counters =
for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;per-flow basis,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; so later =
agregation is an operative task</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Consider : David's Question for DS counters from =
original email:</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&quot;NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;agent from the Standard MIBs the number =
of</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of packets transmitted to a single docsis =
1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;cable modem.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I =
do not see any problem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;with that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; **) My proposal is for Log stats =
into the&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowLogTable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( =
cm boots, etc.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&quot;CoS:xxx&quot;&nbsp; with a CoS:basic as =
default but vendors may assign different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;names after colon if a CoS Management in the =
CMTS is present:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;In such way</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for =
1.1 and 2.0 Cms and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;- For accululated flows: =
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;For 1.0 CM US traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; t1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'upstream'</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'true'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;For 1.0 CM DS traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; t1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'dowstream'</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'true'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Note:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp; May would =
conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key =
for a device is MAC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;address)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;For DOCS-QOS-MIB:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I think William is trying to add a better =
control for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;- Count total number of existing rows: ( I =
believe is for draft 09) to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;optimize getbulks requests:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;- first, last index ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Am I correct?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;One more would be a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D =
{ docsQosMIBObjects 12 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; after a bulk of n rows the polling system =
knows the last row index so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;can intruct the =
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;automatically records Ini to End</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Eduardo</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;From: Raftus, David</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;[&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com=
</A>&gt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com=
</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); =
'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; =
Eduardo Cardona; Greg</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com=
'; 'alexb@coresma.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;'david.white@arrisi.com'; =
'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; =
'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; =
'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS =
Majordomo List; Ipcdn List</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(E-mail); Raftus, David</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 =
suggestions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hi everyone,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I =
have received publicly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to =
appear in draft v7. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;people on the To: list have participated in =
either initiating or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;commenting on the suggestions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Could I ask these people to please verify their =
suggestions as they are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is =
extensive - want to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The =
wider communities are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;also welcome to comment.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Thanks for your time,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Dave</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from =
draft v6</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie =
Lu Cisco, Steve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Malenfant Com21</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - =
remove line (100 * ((raw</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only =
DOC MAC payload. As we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL =
packets. Suggest to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;remove</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this line since the first 2 lines in the formula =
are good enough.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all =
counters related to an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;interface.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the =
docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;there is no such thing as a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&quot;broadcast station maintenance&quot; =
interval for new modems joining the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;network.&nbsp;&nbsp; Station should be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;changed to initial to make the text read - =
&quot;The amount of time to elapse</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;between each broadcast</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;initial maintenance grant.&nbsp; Broadcast =
initial maintenance grants are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;used to allow new cable modems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to join the network.&nbsp; Zero indicates that a =
vendor-specific algorithm is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;used instead of a fixed time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Maximum amount of time permitted by the =
specification is 2 seconds.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In =
docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It =
seems like it's the only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;object in this table without a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;meaningful default value when this parameter =
does not make sense. For</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;instance, for a TDMA modulation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is =
indeed not QPSK0 but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;something else. Does it make sense</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to have a value of 0 in this case, like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for =
non-SCDMA profiles?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications =
wouldn't be good to have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;enumeration unknown(0) for this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;object when not a 2.0 burst ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like &quot;if =
docsIfCmtsModChannelType is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this =
object&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) =
since it looks like the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;possible current implementation may be =
reporting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses =
'0' for inetAddressType</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo =
Cardona Cablelabs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - =
improve descriptive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set =
of parameters</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;that the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to =
be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma =
or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like =
the channel width? Then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;what about the frequency?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Definitely, this clone mechanism is =
sophisticated enough that it would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;deserve a more detailed specification</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(and testing) and, as a consequence, an =
ECR.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL =
clause.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - John Gillis ADC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In =
Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;unicast sid number) for quite some time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Q: Should it be counted in =
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;My personal think that this objects seems to =
mean the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;meaningful&nbsp; UNICAST SID, so user could get =
a good idea about the how</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;minislots really assigned to some meaningful =
CM.&nbsp; So, the reserved IUCs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should be excluded from this object though =
minislots for reserved IUCs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;still be counted into =
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Minnie,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF =
(assuming the CMTS reserves</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in =
UcastGrantedMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I also think (and maybe this case is more =
obvious) than grants to SID 0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should not be counted in =
UcastGrantedMslots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;This brings up a question that I've had for some =
time.&nbsp; Why does the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????&nbsp; The =
use of IUC14 is prohibited by</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the spec, since it is labeled as =
&quot;Reserved&quot;, and SID 0 is already</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;defined to mean &quot;no CM&quot;.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-Greg</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White =
Cablelabs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new =
objects for successful/failed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ucc transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hi, Alex,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I do not think that this is good idea. What will =
you count into</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC =
Req/Rsp/Ack is important</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should not be lost because of UCC additions. I =
guess, the better place</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It =
may be extended in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;future</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;versions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Regards.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Lucy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Hello all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;A question about counting successful and failed =
UCC transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;It seems like there is no counters dedicated for =
UCC failed or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;succeeded operation as it is for DCC =
transactions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC =
operation for 1.1 modem,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC =
counters (docsQosDCCs,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsQosDCCFails) ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Thank you in advance.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis =
Coresma</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;descriptions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Lucy,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Sorry for the delay in responding.&nbsp; I don't =
have an objection to your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;proposal, as long as the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;format of the object is clear.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To summarize, the object =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;include the &quot;value&quot; from figure =
8-23.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;In other words, the first byte reported in the =
MIB object will be the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;main tap location.&nbsp; A clarification</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should also be made to the description of =
docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;indicate your interpretation (b).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Regarding the question about reverse taps, =
figure 8-23 is a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 =
RFI</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;spec (which includes a format to encode reverse =
taps).&nbsp; It seems to make</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;sense to me to use the format</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;shown in that figure.&nbsp; Perhaps this MIB =
object could be clarified to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;reference both figures.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-Greg</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Greg,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to summarize our objections:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1. MIB requires equalization data, then =
type/length is irrelevant.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit =
Equalization Adjust) or 9</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(Transmit Equalization Set), which is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;irrelevant after convolution.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV =
should be added also</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;into it. What?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;We propose to use only value from referenced =
figure without type/length</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to avoid questions in the future. If not,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that =
it will be also very</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;helpful if clarification (b) will be entered =
into MIB.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Best Regards.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Lucy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White =
Cablelabs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording =
for back compatibility.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;In draft -03 the description of&nbsp; =
docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;from :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; DESCRIPTION</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;At the CM, describes the PHY =
characteristics of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; downstream channel. At the CMTS, =
describes the PHY</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;signal</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; quality of an upstream =
channel.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; An entry in this table exists for =
each ifEntry with an</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) =
for Cable Modem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Termination</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Systems and =
docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; INDEX { ifIndex }</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to :</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DESCRIPTION</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of =
a</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY =
signal</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; quality of an upstream channel.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with =
an</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable =
Modem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Termination</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
INDEX { ifIndex }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no =
concept of ifType 205</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;but 129</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined =
value</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;registeredBPIInitializing(9),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;deprecate former value operational(8).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy =
Pollak TI, Minnie Lu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Cisco, David White Arris,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, =
Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;13) Adjust compliance statements for objects =
designated optional. Add</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;separate augmentation table for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;optional objects in =
docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy =
IPCDN/Comcast, Mike</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona =
Cablelabs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;14) Add section explaining counter interaction =
between Docsis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1.0/1.1/2.0.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The QOS MIB tried to handle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 =
is being obsoleted, the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the =
place</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;that should clearly state how these counters and =
other tables interact</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS =
2.0.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib =
v2, &quot;Interoperation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;with the version of DOCSIS&quot; like or to =
replace</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place =
to describe what table</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;are populated under the docsIfMib when =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the modems are registering.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;This way this issue can be re-discussed and =
whatever conculsion is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;reached, can be document in the description of =
those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;objects.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count =
packets for both upstream and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;downstream flows.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;One of the things that has long been an issue =
with the RF MIB is that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets =
only). If the reason for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;keeping this table is to support DOCSIS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1.0 modems would it also make sense to add =
downstream packet counts to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this table, too? Many CMTS'es already</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;count this information and store it in a =
proprietary MIB. It would be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;nice to standardize this as a requirement</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems =
could (a) count on it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;existing and (b) find it in a standard =
location.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;16) Add 4 objects to =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I =
find myself still thinking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;about Minnie suggestion of having</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and =
docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had =
some thoughts on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;subject.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(1) If these counters where used to count the =
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this would the best place in all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;of the mibs to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get a quick summary of =
the upstream data received by a particular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;modem, no matter the version.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(2) At the same time, The rest of the =
docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;However the more I looked around at the =
different counters that existed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the more I kept looking for an overall counter =
on the CMTS to count data</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;packet received and transmitted</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;for a particular CM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I would like to start a discussion on about =
adding 4 new object to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;While I understand that these counts can be =
gathered by via numerous</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;objects on both the CMTS and CM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;and then just appling simple math. However I =
want to query only one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;agent and just get a quick summary</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;without have to determine which version of =
DOCSIS the modem is, which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;will determine which mibs I look etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;and objects I query.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. =
the CMTS) and get the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;number of transmitted and received</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;data for each CM, then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (1) =
GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;DOCSIS this modem is operting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if =
'docsis10(1)' then</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (2) =
WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ifIndex and SID that</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;matches the index for step (1).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (3) =
Add the all the instances of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the total Received packets from a CM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;agent from the Standard MIBs the number =
of</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of packets transmitted to a single docsis =
1.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;cable modem.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; else =
if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (2) =
WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the instances of that contain the</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; same mac address.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (3) =
Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;ifIndex and</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; service flow id from step(2). Add this to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;total of received or transmitted for this =
CM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To determine the direction of the flow use =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;same index and query the =
docsQosServiceFlowDirection.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;This seems very complicated for something so =
simple. This is just a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can =
correct the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;mistakes of the past.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly =
change decription of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;existing object or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;add new object to reconcile unit differences =
between 1.1/2.0. Still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;under discussion.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy =
IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Friedman Correlant.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;************************************</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Terayon Canada Ltd</FONT>
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Hi,
 
I regret to say that new additions to draft v7 of the RF mib need to be
restricted to the list already posted to the community, which was debated at
length between March and June of this year. Any new proposals such as the
one below will need to be debated and accepted by the community, and will
presumably be intended for draft v8 of the mib. In keeping with the 6 month
expiry period for drafts, v8 can be expected before Mar 31/04.
 
This statement does not cast aspersions on the merits of new suggestions -
it is simply necessary to establish a line so a deadline goal can be met.
 
Thanks,
Dave
 
************************************
David Raftus
Software Manager
Terayon Communications Canada
340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Rice [mailto:dan@stargus.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Raftus, David; Minnie Lu
Cc: Eduardo Cardona; docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector (E-mail);
Ipcdn List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug
gestions
 
I am not sure if there's time to open any additional items, but one useful
item would be an object in docsIfUpstreamChannelTable named
docsIfUpChannelRxPowerset  that would be read-create and report what receive
power level at the CMTS has been set for this channel.  This would save MSO
NMSs from having to average the RX power across all of the CMs to find the
set point that they then use to see who is not reaching the CMTS at the
right power.  
 
Thanks
Dan
 
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From: Raftus, David [mailto:david.raftus@terayon.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:50 AM
To: 'Minnie Lu'
Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector
(E-mail); Ipcdn List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug
gestions
 
Hi Minnie, 
I think the DESCRIPTION field of the docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval
would be the appropriate place for such a clarification. I'm afraid I don't
quite understand your second suggested sentence - "Users should consider the
steady conditions like 2nd or 3rd window." 
Your first sentence is probably sufficient clarification - would you agree? 
Thanks, 
Dave 
************************************ 
David Raftus 
Software Manager 
Terayon Communications Canada 
340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202 
Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2 
david.raftus@terayon.com           
613.592.1052  ext 222 
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Minnie Lu [ mailto:milu@cisco.com <mailto:milu@cisco.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM 
To: Raftus, David 
Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@CableLabs.com 
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug
gestions 
Hi, David, 
   I know it takes already  lots of efforts to update the MIB for such long 
list.  Possible to take more ? I would to request to clarify things in this 
revision if possible.  Thanks a lot in advance ! 
   1. I have sent out several questions regarding the 
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for your reference).  If we 
could have more clarification in the next revision of rfmib, that will be 
great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement this object.  My 
suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3 docsIfCmtsObjects, 
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments before 
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the MIB file, add one more 
sentence similar to below. 
    " It is vendor specific implementation whether to restart the timer 
when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed during utilization 
reporting is in progress. Users should consider the steady conditions like 
2nd or 3rd 
window." 
     If I miss any thing, please correct me. 
    Thanks a lot for your help ! 
    Minnie 
At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David wrote: 
>Hi Eduardo and all, 
> 
>Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, there have been two 
>additions since the original list was circulated: 
> 
>18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068. 
>19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to new versions of 
>snmpv3 RFCs 
> 
>Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 expires end of September): 
>1) complete 
>2) complete 
>3) open 
>4) complete 
>5) complete 
>6) open 
>7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good idea - may not 
>implement 
>8) complete 
>9) open 
>10) complete 
>11) complete 
>12) complete 
>13) open 
>14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for v7. 
>15) open 
>16) open 
>17) open 
>18) complete 
>19) open 
> 
>Dave 
> 
>************************************ 
>David Raftus 
>Software Manager 
>Terayon Communications Canada 
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202 
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2 
> 
>david.raftus@terayon.com 
>613.592.1052  ext 222 
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> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Eduardo Cardona 
>[< mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com <mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com> >
mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com <mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com> ] 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM 
>To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com; 
>stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White; 
>john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com; 
>david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com; 
>fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com; 
>ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net 
> 
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
(E-mail) 
>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB 
>suggestions 
> 
>Hi David, 
> 
>I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the 
>status of several of them: 
> 
>like a short list to focus in the pending ones: 
>items 1.. 17 Status 
>1 CLOSED/OPEN? 
>2 
>3...... 
> 
> From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability 
> 
>items 14, 15 16 
> 
>Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for 
>multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or 
>duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3) 
> 
>1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a 
>GetBulk can be selective) 
>     - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this 
>table/counters persistent? 
>     - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop 
>growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant) 
>2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions 
> 
>3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more 
>centralized placed 
>, but... 
>    - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service 
>ID with  SFID US/DS for 
> 
>   * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the 
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets) 
>       No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a 
>per-flow basis, 
>       so later agregation is an operative task 
> 
>Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email: 
>                      "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS 
>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0 
>cable modem." 
>Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem 
>with that 
> 
>   **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable 
>for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.) 
> 
>         Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like 
>"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different 
>names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present: 
>In such way 
>- MSOS can pool for real time statistics: 
>   docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and 
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0 
>- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0 
> 
>For 1.0 CM US traffic 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream' 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true' 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or 
>Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional) 
> 
>For 1.0 CM DS traffic 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream' 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true' 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or 
>Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional) 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional) 
> 
>Note: 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS 
>assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC 
>address) 
> 
>For DOCS-QOS-MIB: 
> 
>I think William is trying to add a better control for the 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTable : 
>- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to 
>optimize getbulks requests: 
>- first, last index ? 
> 
>Am I correct? 
>One more would be a 
> 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 } 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd 
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear 
>  after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so 
>can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear 
>automatically records Ini to End 
> 
>Eduardo 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message----- 
>From: Raftus, David 
>[< mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com <mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com> >
mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com <mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com> ] 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM 
>To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com'; 
>'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg 
>White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com'; 
>'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com'; 
>'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com'; 
>'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net' 
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List 
>(E-mail); Raftus, David 
>Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions 
> 
>Hi everyone, 
> 
>Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly 
>or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The 
>people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or 
>commenting on the suggestions. 
> 
>Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are 
>listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to 
>ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are 
>also welcome to comment. 
> 
>Thanks for your time, 
>Dave 
> 
> 
>1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6 
>DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB. 
> 
>Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve 
>Malenfant Com21 
> 
>2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw 
>bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes)) 
>since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we 
>know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to 
>remove 
>this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough. 
> 
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco 
> 
>3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an 
>interface. 
> 
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco 
> 
>4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object, 
>there is no such thing as a 
>"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the 
>network.   Station should be 
>changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse 
>between each broadcast 
>initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are 
>used to allow new cable modems 
>to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is 
>used instead of a fixed time. 
>Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds." 
> 
>Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom 
> 
>5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the 
>docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has 
>2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only 
>object in this table without a 
>meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For 
>instance, for a TDMA modulation 
>profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but 
>something else. Does it make sense 
>to have a value of 0 in this case, like 
>docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles? 
> 
>(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a 
>enumeration unknown(0) for this 
>object when not a 2.0 burst ? 
>Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is 
>tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object" 
>I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the 
>possible current implementation may be reporting 
>'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType 
> 
>Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs 
> 
>6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive 
>wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters 
>that the 
>CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant. 
>Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or 
>all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then 
>what about the frequency? 
>Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would 
>deserve a more detailed specification 
>(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR. 
> 
>Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper 
> 
>7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause. 
> 
>Contributor - John Gillis ADC 
> 
>8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14 
>(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of 
>unicast sid number) for quite some time. 
>Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ? 
>My personal think that this objects seems to mean the 
>meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how 
>many 
>minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs 
>should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs 
>are 
>still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots. 
>Minnie, 
>I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves 
>that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots. 
>I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0 
>should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots. 
>This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the 
>Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by 
>the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already 
>defined to mean "no CM". 
>-Greg 
> 
>Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs 
> 
>9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed 
>ucc transactions. 
>Hi, Alex, 
>I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into 
>docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important 
>and 
>should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place 
>for 
>this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in 
>future 
>versions. 
>Regards. 
>Lucy 
>Hello all, 
>A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions. 
>It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or 
>succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions. 
>The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem, 
>should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs, 
>docsQosDCCFails) ? 
>Thank you in advance. 
> 
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma 
> 
>10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify 
>descriptions. 
>Lucy, 
>Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your 
>proposal, as long as the 
>format of the object is clear. 
>To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only 
>include the "value" from figure 8-23. 
>In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the 
>main tap location.  A clarification 
>should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to 
>indicate your interpretation (b). 
>Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a 
>simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI 
>spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make 
>sense to me to use the format 
>shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to 
>reference both figures. 
>-Greg 
> 
>Greg, 
>to summarize our objections: 
>1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant. 
>2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9 
>(Transmit Equalization Set), which is 
>irrelevant after convolution. 
>3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also 
>into it. What? 
>We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length 
>to avoid questions in the future. If not, 
>(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very 
>helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB. 
>Best Regards. 
>Lucy 
> 
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs 
> 
>11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility. 
>In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed 
>from : 
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
>            SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
>            MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
>            STATUS      current 
>            DESCRIPTION 
>                "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
>                 downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY 
>signal 
>                 quality of an upstream channel. 
>                 An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
>                 ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem 
>Termination 
>                 Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
>            INDEX { ifIndex } 
>            ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
>to : 
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE 
>         SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry 
>         MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible 
>         STATUS      current 
>         DESCRIPTION 
>             "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a 
>              downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal 
>              quality of an upstream channel. 
>              An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an 
>              ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem 
>Termination 
>              Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems." 
>         INDEX { ifIndex } 
>         ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 } 
>But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205 
>but 129 
> 
>Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs 
> 
>12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value 
>registeredBPIInitializing(9), 
>deprecate former value operational(8). 
> 
>Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu 
>Cisco, David White Arris, 
>Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas 
>Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21 
> 
>13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add 
>separate augmentation table for 
>optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable. 
> 
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike 
>StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs 
> 
>14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis 
>1.0/1.1/2.0. 
>The QOS MIB tried to handle 
>DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the 
>rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place 
>that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact 
>in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0. 
>I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation 
>with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace 
>what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table 
>are populated under the docsIfMib when the 
>the modems are registering. 
>This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is 
>reached, can be document in the description of those 
>objects. 
> 
>Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco 
> 
>15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and 
>downstream flows. 
>One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that 
>the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts 
>InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for 
>keeping this table is to support DOCSIS 
>1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to 
>this table, too? Many CMTS'es already 
>count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be 
>nice to standardize this as a requirement 
>so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it 
>existing and (b) find it in a standard location. 
> 
>Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus 
> 
>16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable 
>While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking 
>about Minnie suggestion of having 
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for 
>DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS 
>MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the 
>subject. 
>(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than 
>this would the best place in all 
>of the mibs to 
>     get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular 
>modem, no matter the version. 
>(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not 
>make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0 
>However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed 
>in all of MIB required by DOCSIS, 
>the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data 
>packet received and transmitted 
>for a particular CM. 
>I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the 
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable: 
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets 
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets 
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets 
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets 
>While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous 
>objects on both the CMTS and CM 
>and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one 
>agent and just get a quick summary 
>without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which 
>will determine which mibs I look etc. 
>and objects I query. 
> 
>For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the 
>number of transmitted and received 
>data for each CM, then 
>        (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of 
>DOCSIS this modem is operting 
> 
>        if 'docsis10(1)' then 
>                      (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 
>ifIndex and SID that 
>                        have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that 
>matches the index for step (1). 
> 
>                      (3) Add the all the instances of 
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the 
>                        ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get 
>the total Received packets from a CM. 
> 
>                      NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS 
>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of 
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0 
>cable modem. 
> 
>        else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then 
>                      (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for 
>the instances of that contain the 
>                        same mac address. 
>                      (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the 
>ifIndex and 
>                       service flow id from step(2). Add this to the 
>total of received or transmitted for this CM. 
>                          To determine the direction of the flow use the 
>same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection. 
>This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a 
>suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the 
>mistakes of the past. 
> 
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco 
> 
>17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of 
>existing object or 
>add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still 
>under discussion. 
> 
>Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk 
>Friedman Correlant. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>************************************ 
>David Raftus 
>Terayon Canada Ltd 
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202 
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2 
> 
>david.raftus@terayon.com 
>613.592.1052  ext 222 
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Arial'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I regret to say that new additions to draft v7 of the RF mib =
need to be
restricted to the list already posted to the community, which was =
debated at length
between March and June of this year. Any new proposals such as the one =
below will
need to be debated and accepted by the community, and will presumably =
be
intended for draft v8 of the mib. In keeping with the 6 month expiry =
period for
drafts, v8 can be expected before Mar =
31/04.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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Arial'>This statement does not cast aspersions on the merits of new =
suggestions
- it is simply necessary to establish a line so a deadline goal can be =
met.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Dan Rice
[mailto:dan@stargus.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 22, =
2003
11:11 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Raftus, David; =
Minnie Lu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Eduardo Cardona;
docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector (E-mail); Ipcdn List =
(E-mail)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: rf mib =
draft v6 to
draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not sure if there&#8217;s =
time to open any
additional items, but one useful item would be an object in
docsIfUpstreamChannelTable named docsIfUpChannelRxPowerset<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>that would be read-create and =
report
what receive power level at the CMTS has been set for this =
channel.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>This would save MSO NMSs from =
having to
average the RX power across all of the CMs to find the set point that =
they then
use to see who is not reaching the CMTS at the right power.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Raftus, David
[mailto:david.raftus@terayon.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 22, =
2003 8:50
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Minnie Lu'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Eduardo Cardona';
docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector (E-mail); Ipcdn List =
(E-mail)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: rf mib =
draft v6 to
draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
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<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Hi Minnie,</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I think the DESCRIPTION field of =
the
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval would be the appropriate place for =
such a
clarification. I'm afraid I don't quite understand your second =
suggested
sentence - &quot;Users should consider the steady conditions like 2nd =
or 3rd
window.&quot; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Your first sentence is probably =
sufficient
clarification - would you agree?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Thanks,</span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Dave</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>From: Minnie Lu [<a =
href=3D"mailto:milu@cisco.com">mailto:milu@cisco.com</a>]</span></font><=
font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>To: Raftus, David</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; =
docsis-oss@CableLabs.com</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then
DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Hi, David,</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; I know it takes =
already&nbsp;
lots of efforts to update the MIB for such long</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>list.&nbsp; Possible to take more ? I would to request to =
clarify
things in this</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>revision if possible.&nbsp; Thanks a lot in advance =
!</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. I have sent out =
several
questions regarding the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for your
reference).&nbsp; If we</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>could have more clarification in the next revision of =
rfmib, that
will be</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement this
object.&nbsp; My</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3
docsIfCmtsObjects,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments =
before</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the MIB =
file, add
one more</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>sentence similar to below.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot; It is =
vendor
specific implementation whether to restart the timer</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed =
during
utilization</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>reporting is in progress. Users should consider the steady
conditions like</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>2nd or 3rd</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>window.&quot;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If I =
miss any
thing, please correct me.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks a lot for your help =
!</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Minnie</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, =
Raftus, David
wrote:</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt;Hi Eduardo and =
all,</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, =
there
have been two</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;additions since the original list was =
circulated:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate =
as per
oss-n-03068.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to =
new
versions of</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;snmpv3 RFCs</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 =
expires end of
September):</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;3) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;4) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;5) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;6) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good =
idea -
may not</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;implement</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;8) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;9) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;10) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;11) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;12) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;13) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for =
v7.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;15) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;16) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;17) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;18) complete</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;19) open</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Dave</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;************************************</span></font><font=

color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;David Raftus</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Software Manager</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Terayon Communications Canada</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Ottawa Canada&nbsp; K2K 3A2</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;david.raftus@terayon.com</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;613.592.1052&nbsp; ext 222</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;************************************</span></font><font=

color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;-----Original Message-----</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;From: Eduardo Cardona</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;[&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</=
a>&gt;<a
href=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</=
a>]</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 =
PM</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail);
milu@cisco.com;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; =
jdemarty@juniper.net;
Greg White;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; =
alexb@coresma.com;</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com;
kfriedman@correlant.com;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; =
W.Murwin@motorola.com;</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ASundelin@stargus.com; =
vhou@juniper.net</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo =
List;
Ipcdn List (E-mail)</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions =
Then
DOCS-QOS-MIB</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;suggestions</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Hi David,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I would like to recap your outstanding open issues =
list and
see the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;status of several of them:</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;like a short list to focus in the pending =
ones:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;items 1.. 17 Status</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1 CLOSED/OPEN?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;3......</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt; From the list : CM&nbsp; counters for 1.0 CM 1.0
Interoperability</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;items 14, 15 16</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Although I like your proposal of counters per =
subscriber (16),
for</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how =
it
works. or</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;duplicated and hard to correlate (see =
3)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really =
big, (
although a</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;GetBulk can be selective)</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not all CMTSes Caches
docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;table/counters persistent?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - if desired persisntent
CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;growing?&nbsp; ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same =
plant)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same =
questions</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos =
Log is to
me a more</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;centralized placed</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;, but...</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not introduce conflicts with
ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ID with&nbsp; SFID US/DS for</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( =
augmenting
the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, =
OutPackets)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No counters for =
1.1/2.0
CMs, docsQos already have those on a</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;per-flow basis,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; so later =
agregation is an
operative task</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Consider : David's Question for DS counters from =
original
email:</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a =
CMTS</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;agent from the Standard MIBs the number =
of</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;cable modem.&quot;</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do =
not see
any problem</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;with that</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; **) My proposal is for Log stats into =
the&nbsp;
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm =
boots,
etc.)</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Would =
be
convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&quot;CoS:xxx&quot;&nbsp; with a CoS:basic as default =
but
vendors may assign different</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is =
present:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;In such way</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;- MSOS can pool for real time =
statistics:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and =
2.0 Cms
and</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable =
for
1.0/1.1/2.0</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;For 1.0 CM US traffic</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; =
t1</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'upstream'</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;
'true'</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic =
or</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | =
(optional)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;For 1.0 CM DS traffic</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
SID</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp; t1 Time =
creation</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp; =
t1</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
'dowstream'</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;
'true'</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or</spa=
n></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | =
(optional)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | =
(optional)</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Note:</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp; May would =
conflict with
SFID in the 1.1 QOS</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a =
device
is MAC</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;address)</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;For DOCS-QOS-MIB:</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I think William is trying to add a better control for =
the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is =
for
draft 09) to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;optimize getbulks requests:</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;- first, last index ?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Am I correct?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;One more would be a</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D {
docsQosMIBObjects 12 }</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd</span></font><font=

color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear</span></font><fo=
nt
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp; after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows =
the
last row index so</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear =
object
to clear</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;automatically records Ini to End</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Eduardo</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp; -----Original Message-----</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;From: Raftus, David</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;[&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com=
</a>&gt;<a
href=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com=
</a>]</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 =
AM</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com';
'stevem@com21.com';</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo
Cardona; Greg</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com';
'alexb@coresma.com';</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;'david.white@arrisi.com'; =
'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com';
'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com';
'vhou@juniper.net'</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo =
List;
Ipcdn List</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(E-mail); Raftus, David</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 =
suggestions</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Hi everyone,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have =
received
publicly</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear =
in
draft v7. The</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;people on the To: list have participated in either =
initiating
or</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;commenting on the suggestions.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Could I ask these people to please verify their =
suggestions as
they are</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is =
extensive -
want to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider
communities are</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;also welcome to comment.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Thanks for your time,</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Dave</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft =
v6</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu =
Cisco,
Steve</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Malenfant Com21</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove =
line (100 *
((raw</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw =
bytes))</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC =
MAC
payload. As we</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL =
packets.
Suggest to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;remove</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are =
good
enough.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters =
related to
an</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;interface.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Minnie Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Cisco</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the =
docsIfCmtsInsertInterval
object,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;there is no such thing as a</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&quot;broadcast station maintenance&quot; interval for =
new
modems joining the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;network.&nbsp;&nbsp; Station should =
be</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;changed to initial to make the text read - &quot;The =
amount of
time to elapse</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;between each broadcast</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;initial maintenance grant.&nbsp; Broadcast initial =
maintenance
grants are</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;used to allow new cable modems</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;to join the network.&nbsp; Zero indicates that a
vendor-specific algorithm is</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;used instead of a fixed time.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification =
is 2
seconds.&quot;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In
docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object =
has</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like =
it's
the only</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;object in this table without a</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;meaningful default value when this parameter does not =
make
sense. For</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;instance, for a TDMA modulation</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is =
indeed not
QPSK0 but</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;something else. Does it make sense</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;to have a value of 0 in this case, =
like</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA =
profiles?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't =
be good
to have a</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;enumeration unknown(0) for this</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;object when not a 2.0 burst ?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like &quot;if
docsIfCmtsModChannelType is</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this =
object&quot;</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it =
looks
like the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;possible current implementation may be =
reporting</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' =
for
inetAddressType</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona =
Cablelabs</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - =
improve
descriptive</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of =
parameters</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;that the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be =
DOCSIS 2.0
compliant.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma =
or</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the =
channel
width? Then</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;what about the frequency?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;
color:black'>&gt;Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated =
enough that
it would</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;deserve a more detailed =
specification</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(and testing) and, as a consequence, an =
ECR.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL =
clause.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - John Gillis ADC</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco =
CMTS, we
use IUC14</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. =
of</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;unicast sid number) for quite some =
time.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Q: Should it be counted in
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;My personal think that this objects seems to mean =
the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;meaningful&nbsp; UNICAST SID, so user could get a good =
idea
about the how</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;many</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.&nbsp; =
So, the
reserved IUCs</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;should be excluded from this object though minislots =
for
reserved IUCs</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;are</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;still be counted into =
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Minnie,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming =
the CMTS
reserves</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in
UcastGrantedMslots.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) =
than grants
to SID 0</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;should not be counted in =
UcastGrantedMslots.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;This brings up a question that I've had for some =
time.&nbsp;
Why does the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????&nbsp; The use of =
IUC14
is prohibited by</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the spec, since it is labeled as &quot;Reserved&quot;, =
and SID
0 is already</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;defined to mean &quot;no CM&quot;.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;-Greg</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White =
Cablelabs</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for
successful/failed</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ucc transactions.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Hi, Alex,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I do not think that this is good idea. What will you =
count
into</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC =
Req/Rsp/Ack is
important</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;and</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, =
the
better place</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;for</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may =
be
extended in</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;future</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;versions.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Regards.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Lucy</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Hello all,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;A question about counting successful and failed UCC
transactions.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC =
failed or</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;succeeded operation as it is for DCC =
transactions.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC =
operation for
1.1 modem,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC =
counters
(docsQosDCCs,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsQosDCCFails) ?</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Thank you in advance.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis =
Coresma</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData
- clarify</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;descriptions.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Lucy,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Sorry for the delay in responding.&nbsp; I don't have =
an
objection to your</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;proposal, as long as the</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;format of the object is clear.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;To summarize, the object =
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will
only</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;include the &quot;value&quot; from figure =
8-23.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB =
object will
be the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;main tap location.&nbsp; A =
clarification</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;should also be made to the description of
docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;indicate your interpretation (b).</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 =
is a</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 =
RFI</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;spec (which includes a format to encode reverse =
taps).&nbsp;
It seems to make</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;sense to me to use the format</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;shown in that figure.&nbsp; Perhaps this MIB object =
could be
clarified to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;reference both figures.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;-Greg</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Greg,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;to summarize our objections:</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is
irrelevant.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization =
Adjust)
or 9</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(Transmit Equalization Set), which =
is</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;irrelevant after convolution.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should =
be
added also</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;into it. What?</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;We propose to use only value from referenced figure =
without
type/length</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;to avoid questions in the future. If =
not,</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will =
be also
very</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into =
MIB.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Best Regards.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Lucy</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White =
Cablelabs</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for =
back
compatibility.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;In draft -03 the description of&nbsp; =
docsIfSignalQualityEntry
was changed</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;from :</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry =
OBJECT-TYPE</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
DESCRIPTION</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of =
a</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;signal</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
quality of an upstream channel.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with =
an</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Termination</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
INDEX { ifIndex }</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;to :</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'>
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry =
OBJECT-TYPE</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DESCRIPTION</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of =
a</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY =
signal</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
quality of an upstream channel.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with =
an</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable =
Modem</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Termination</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; INDEX =
{
ifIndex }</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ::=3D =
{
docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no =
concept of
ifType 205</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;but 129</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Eduardo Cardona =
Cablelabs</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined =
value</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;registeredBPIInitializing(9),</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;deprecate former value =
operational(8).</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak =
TI,
Minnie Lu</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Cisco, David White Arris,</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko =
Stargus,
Joe Godas</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;13) Adjust compliance statements for objects =
designated
optional. Add</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;separate augmentation table for</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;optional objects in =
docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy
IPCDN/Comcast, Mike</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona =
Cablelabs</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;14) Add section explaining counter interaction between =
Docsis</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1.0/1.1/2.0.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;The QOS MIB tried to handle</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is =
being
obsoleted, the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the =
place</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;that should clearly state how these counters and other =
tables
interact</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS =
2.0.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2,
&quot;Interoperation</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;with the version of DOCSIS&quot; like or to =
replace</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to =
describe
what table</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;are populated under the docsIfMib when =
the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the modems are registering.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever
conculsion is</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;reached, can be document in the description of =
those</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;objects.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for =
both
upstream and</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;downstream flows.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;One of the things that has long been an issue with the =
RF MIB
is that</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only =
counts</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). =
If the
reason for</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;keeping this table is to support =
DOCSIS</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream =
packet
counts to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;this table, too? Many CMTS'es =
already</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;count this information and store it in a proprietary =
MIB. It
would be</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;nice to standardize this as a =
requirement</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) =
count
on it</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;existing and (b) find it in a standard =
location.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributor - Andrew Sundelin =
Stargus</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;16) Add 4 objects to =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find =
myself still
thinking</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;about Minnie suggestion of having</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and =
docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count
for</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the =
QOS</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some =
thoughts
on the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;subject.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS =
1.1 and
2.0, than</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;this would the best place in all</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;of the mibs to</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get a quick summary of the =
upstream
data received by a particular</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;modem, no matter the version.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;(2) At the same time, The rest of the =
docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable
might not</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;However the more I looked around at the different =
counters
that existed</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the =
CMTS to
count data</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;packet received and transmitted</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;for a particular CM.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 =
new
object to the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;While I understand that these counts can be gathered =
by via
numerous</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;objects on both the CMTS and CM</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;and then just appling simple math. However I want to =
query
only one</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;agent and just get a quick summary</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the =
modem
is, which</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;will determine which mibs I look =
etc.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;and objects I query.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the =
CMTS) and
get the</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;number of transmitted and received</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;data for each CM, then</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (1) =
GET-NEXT the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;DOCSIS this modem is operting</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if =
'docsis10(1)'
then</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ifIndex and SID that</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;matches the index for step (1).</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(3) Add the all the instances of</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the total Received packets from a =
CM.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;agent from the Standard MIBs the number =
of</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;cable modem.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; else if
'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;the instances of that contain the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
same mac address.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;ifIndex and</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
service flow id from step(2). Add this to the</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;total of received or transmitted for this =
CM.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
To determine the direction of the flow use the</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;same index and query the =
docsQosServiceFlowDirection.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;This seems very complicated for something so simple. =
This is
just a</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct =
the</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;mistakes of the past.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu =
Cisco</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change
decription of</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;existing object or</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;add new object to reconcile unit differences between =
1.1/2.0.
Still</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;under discussion.</span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy =
IPCDN/Comcast,
Kirk</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt;Friedman Correlant.</span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:black'> <br>
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That's still only provision 1.0 in the last sentence

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Rice=20
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:27 AM
To: Murwin William-LWM008; Eduardo Cardona; Raftus, David; Rich Woundy
(Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com; stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com;
jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White; john.gillis@adc.com;
lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com; david.white@arrisi.com;
matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com; Fred Oko;
joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; Andrew Sundelin; vhou@juniper.net
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Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions

I am not sure that I like the statustable idea, would it include only
the primary service flow or maybe all provisioned but not dynamic?

The other two options add D1.0 to service table and to QOS table could
make sense.  Several CMTS vendors currently have enterprise service
table extensions and other CMTS vendors also proxy D1.0 modems into QOS
tables to accommodate abuse management NMS functionality.  For sure
standardizing on one of both of these makes sense.

Currently it gets a little messy in mixed D1.0/1.1 environments, you
have to first see if the CMTS supports D1.1, then you need to see if any
CMs are provisioned as 1.1 then you need to collect all of the service
table and the vendor extension and all of the QOS MIB tables and then on
a CM by CM basis choose which data set you use. (all CMs are in service
table with some octets).  Ideally a lot of overhead responding to SNMP
and a lot of joining and post processing could be saved on the CMTS by
having all per CM octet and packet usage data be proxied into a single
set of tables.  The QOS table could provide this functionality and its
being done today.  I understand its not quite right since there are not
really D1.0 Service flows, but it would make practical sense for both
the MSOs and CMTS vendors.

I guess my vote would be for both to accommodate CMTSs that still only
provision 1.1. - Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Eduardo Cardona'; Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail);
milu@cisco.com; stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com;
jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White; john.gillis@adc.com;
lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com; david.white@arrisi.com;
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Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions

I strongly discourage this idea. A Docsis 1.0 device does have an entry
in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0. The
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable is a history of the
docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable, where as docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable is for
all devices no matter the version of DOCSIS the agent is implementing or
version of DOCSIS for CMs connected to the CMTS.=20

Also there have been no comments to change the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for version 9.=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Cardona [mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com;
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Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
suggestions


Hi David,=20

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them:=20

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN?=20
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent?=20
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant) =20
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but...=20
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for=20

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis,=20
      so later agregation is an operative task=20

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that=20

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note:=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address)=20

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ?=20

Am I correct?
One more would be a=20

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D { docsQosMIBObjects 12 =
}=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


=20



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Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
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Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions.=20
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Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
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Thanks for your time,
Dave
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1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.=20

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we=20
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove=20
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a=20
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be=20
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast=20
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems=20
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time. =20
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has=20
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a=20
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation=20
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense=20
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this=20
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"=20
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting =20
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters=20
that the=20
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or=20
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency?=20
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification=20
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of=20
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the=20
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many=20
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs=20
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are=20
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions.=20
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the=20
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23. =20
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification=20
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b).=20
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI=20
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format=20
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is=20
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not,=20
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.=20
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed=20
from :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
           STATUS      current=20
           DESCRIPTION=20
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY=20
signal=20
                quality of an upstream channel.=20
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
           INDEX { ifIndex }=20
           ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
to :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
        STATUS      current=20
        DESCRIPTION=20
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal=20
             quality of an upstream channel.=20
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
        INDEX { ifIndex }=20
        ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205=20
but 129=20

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for=20
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows.=20
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts=20
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS=20
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already=20
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement=20
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having =20
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS=20
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all=20
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,=20
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted=20
for a particular CM.=20
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets=20
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM=20
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary=20
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received=20
data for each CM, then=20
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting=20

       if 'docsis10(1)' then=20
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
      =20
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the=20
mistakes of the past. =20

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





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I am not sure that I like the statustable idea, would it include only
the primary service flow or maybe all provisioned but not dynamic?

The other two options add D1.0 to service table and to QOS table could
make sense.  Several CMTS vendors currently have enterprise service
table extensions and other CMTS vendors also proxy D1.0 modems into QOS
tables to accommodate abuse management NMS functionality.  For sure
standardizing on one of both of these makes sense.

Currently it gets a little messy in mixed D1.0/1.1 environments, you
have to first see if the CMTS supports D1.1, then you need to see if any
CMs are provisioned as 1.1 then you need to collect all of the service
table and the vendor extension and all of the QOS MIB tables and then on
a CM by CM basis choose which data set you use. (all CMs are in service
table with some octets).  Ideally a lot of overhead responding to SNMP
and a lot of joining and post processing could be saved on the CMTS by
having all per CM octet and packet usage data be proxied into a single
set of tables.  The QOS table could provide this functionality and its
being done today.  I understand its not quite right since there are not
really D1.0 Service flows, but it would make practical sense for both
the MSOs and CMTS vendors.

I guess my vote would be for both to accommodate CMTSs that still only
provision 1.1. - Dan


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I strongly discourage this idea. A Docsis 1.0 device does have an entry
in the QOS MIB, as QOS is a feature of DOCSIS 1.1/2.0. The
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable is a history of the
docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable, where as docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable is for
all devices no matter the version of DOCSIS the agent is implementing or
version of DOCSIS for CMs connected to the CMTS.=20

Also there have been no comments to change the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for version 9.=20


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Hi David,=20

I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
status of several of them:=20

like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
items 1.. 17 Status
1 CLOSED/OPEN?=20
2
3......

From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability

items 14, 15 16

Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)


1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
GetBulk can be selective)
    - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
table/counters persistent?=20
    - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant) =20
2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions

3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
centralized placed
, but...=20
   - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
ID with  SFID US/DS for=20

  * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
      No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
per-flow basis,=20
      so later agregation is an operative task=20

Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
                     "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem."
Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
with that=20

  **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)

	Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
In such way
- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0

For 1.0 CM US traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

For 1.0 CM DS traffic=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac   =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive  =20
docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)

Note:=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
address)=20

For DOCS-QOS-MIB:

I think William is trying to add a better control for the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
optimize getbulks requests:
- first, last index ?=20

Am I correct?
One more would be a=20

docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D { docsQosMIBObjects 12 =
}=20
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
 after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
automatically records Ini to End


Eduardo


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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM
To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';
'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg
White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com';
'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';
'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';
'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'
Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
(E-mail); Raftus, David
Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions


Hi everyone,
=20
Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
commenting on the suggestions.=20
=20
Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
also welcome to comment.
=20
Thanks for your time,
Dave
=20


1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.=20

Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
Malenfant Com21


2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we=20
know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
remove=20
this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
interface.

Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco


4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
there is no such thing as a=20
"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
network.   Station should be=20
changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
between each broadcast=20
initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
used to allow new cable modems=20
to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
used instead of a fixed time. =20
Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."

Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom


5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has=20
2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
object in this table without a=20
meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
instance, for a TDMA modulation=20
profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
something else. Does it make sense=20
to have a value of 0 in this case, like
docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?

(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
enumeration unknown(0) for this=20
object when not a 2.0 burst ?
Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"=20
I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
possible current implementation may be reporting =20
'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType

Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters=20
that the=20
CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or=20
all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
what about the frequency?=20
Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
deserve a more detailed specification=20
(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.

Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper


7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.

Contributor - John Gillis ADC


8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of=20
unicast sid number) for quite some time.
Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
My personal think that this objects seems to mean the=20
meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
many=20
minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs=20
should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
are=20
still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
Minnie,
I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
defined to mean "no CM".
-Greg

Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs


9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
ucc transactions.=20
Hi, Alex,
I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
and
should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
for
this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
future
versions.
Regards.
Lucy
Hello all,
A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
docsQosDCCFails) ?
Thank you in advance.

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma


10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
descriptions.
Lucy,
Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
proposal, as long as the=20
format of the object is clear.
To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
include the "value" from figure 8-23. =20
In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
main tap location.  A clarification=20
should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
indicate your interpretation (b).=20
Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI=20
spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
sense to me to use the format=20
shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
reference both figures.
-Greg

Greg,
to summarize our objections:
1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
(Transmit Equalization Set), which is=20
irrelevant after convolution.
3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
into it. What?
We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
to avoid questions in the future. If not,=20
(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.=20
Best Regards.
Lucy

Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs


11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed=20
from :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
           SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
           MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
           STATUS      current=20
           DESCRIPTION=20
               "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
                downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY=20
signal=20
                quality of an upstream channel.=20
                An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
                ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
                Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
           INDEX { ifIndex }=20
           ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
to :=20
docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
        SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
        STATUS      current=20
        DESCRIPTION=20
            "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
             downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal=20
             quality of an upstream channel.=20
             An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
             ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem=20
Termination=20
             Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
        INDEX { ifIndex }=20
        ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205=20
but 129=20

Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
registeredBPIInitializing(9),
deprecate former value operational(8).

Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
Cisco, David White Arris,
Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21


13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
separate augmentation table for=20
optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs


14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
1.0/1.1/2.0.
The QOS MIB tried to handle
DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
are populated under the docsIfMib when the
the modems are registering.
This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
reached, can be document in the description of those
objects.

Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
downstream flows.=20
One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts=20
InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
keeping this table is to support DOCSIS=20
1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
this table, too? Many CMTS'es already=20
count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
nice to standardize this as a requirement=20
so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
existing and (b) find it in a standard location.

Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus


16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
about Minnie suggestion of having =20
docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS=20
MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
subject.
(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
this would the best place in all=20
of the mibs to
    get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
modem, no matter the version.
(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,=20
the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
packet received and transmitted=20
for a particular CM.=20
I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets=20
docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
objects on both the CMTS and CM=20
and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
agent and just get a quick summary=20
without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
will determine which mibs I look etc.
and objects I query.

For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
number of transmitted and received=20
data for each CM, then=20
       (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
DOCSIS this modem is operting=20

       if 'docsis10(1)' then=20
                     (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
ifIndex and SID that
                       have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
matches the index for step (1).
      =20
                     (3) Add the all the instances of
docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
                       ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
the total Received packets from a CM.

                     NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
                         of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
cable modem.

       else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
                     (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
the instances of that contain the
                       same mac address.
                     (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
ifIndex and
                      service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
total of received or transmitted for this CM.
                         To determine the direction of the flow use the
same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the=20
mistakes of the past. =20

Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco


17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
existing object or
add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
under discussion.

Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
Friedman Correlant.





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I am not sure if there's time to open any additional items, but one
useful item would be an object in docsIfUpstreamChannelTable named
docsIfUpChannelRxPowerset  that would be read-create and report what
receive power level at the CMTS has been set for this channel.  This
would save MSO NMSs from having to average the RX power across all of
the CMs to find the set point that they then use to see who is not
reaching the CMTS at the right power. =20
=20
Thanks
Dan
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Raftus, David [mailto:david.raftus@terayon.com]=20
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:50 AM
To: 'Minnie Lu'
Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector
(E-mail); Ipcdn List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
sug gestions
=20
Hi Minnie,=20
I think the DESCRIPTION field of the
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval would be the appropriate place for
such a clarification. I'm afraid I don't quite understand your second
suggested sentence - "Users should consider the steady conditions like
2nd or 3rd window."=20
Your first sentence is probably sufficient clarification - would you
agree?=20
Thanks,=20
Dave=20
************************************=20
David Raftus=20
Software Manager=20
Terayon Communications Canada=20
340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202=20
Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2=20
david.raftus@terayon.com          =20
613.592.1052  ext 222=20
************************************              =20
=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM=20
To: Raftus, David=20
Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@CableLabs.com=20
Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
sug gestions=20
Hi, David,=20
   I know it takes already  lots of efforts to update the MIB for such
long=20
list.  Possible to take more ? I would to request to clarify things in
this=20
revision if possible.  Thanks a lot in advance !=20
   1. I have sent out several questions regarding the=20
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for your reference).  If
we=20
could have more clarification in the next revision of rfmib, that will
be=20
great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement this object.  My=20
suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3 docsIfCmtsObjects,=20
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments before=20
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the MIB file, add one
more=20
sentence similar to below.=20
    " It is vendor specific implementation whether to restart the timer=20
when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed during utilization=20
reporting is in progress. Users should consider the steady conditions
like=20
2nd or 3rd=20
window."=20
     If I miss any thing, please correct me.=20
    Thanks a lot for your help !=20
    Minnie=20
At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David wrote:=20
>Hi Eduardo and all,=20
>=20
>Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, there have been
two=20
>additions since the original list was circulated:=20
>=20
>18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per
oss-n-03068.=20
>19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to new versions of=20
>snmpv3 RFCs=20
>=20
>Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 expires end of
September):=20
>1) complete=20
>2) complete=20
>3) open=20
>4) complete=20
>5) complete=20
>6) open=20
>7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good idea - may not=20
>implement=20
>8) complete=20
>9) open=20
>10) complete=20
>11) complete=20
>12) complete=20
>13) open=20
>14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for v7.=20
>15) open=20
>16) open=20
>17) open=20
>18) complete=20
>19) open=20
>=20
>Dave=20
>=20
>************************************=20
>David Raftus=20
>Software Manager=20
>Terayon Communications Canada=20
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202=20
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2=20
>=20
>david.raftus@terayon.com=20
>613.592.1052  ext 222=20
>************************************=20
>=20
>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: Eduardo Cardona=20
>[<mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com>mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com]=20
>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM=20
>To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;=20
>stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg
White;=20
>john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;=20
>david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com;
kfriedman@correlant.com;=20
>fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com;=20
>ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net=20
>=20
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
(E-mail)=20
>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB=20
>suggestions=20
>=20
>Hi David,=20
>=20
>I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the=20
>status of several of them:=20
>=20
>like a short list to focus in the pending ones:=20
>items 1.. 17 Status=20
>1 CLOSED/OPEN?=20
>2=20
>3......=20
>=20
> From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability=20
>=20
>items 14, 15 16=20
>=20
>Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for=20
>multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or=20
>duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)=20
>=20
>1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a=20
>GetBulk can be selective)=20
>     - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this=20
>table/counters persistent?=20
>     - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop

>growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)=20
>2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions=20
>=20
>3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more

>centralized placed=20
>, but...=20
>    - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service

>ID with  SFID US/DS for=20
>=20
>   * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the=20
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)=20
>       No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a=20
>per-flow basis,=20
>       so later agregation is an operative task=20
>=20
>Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:=20
>                      "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS

>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0

>cable modem."=20
>Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem

>with that=20
>=20
>   **) My proposal is for Log stats into the
docsQosServiceFlowLogTable=20
>for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)=20
>=20
>         Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like=20
>"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different

>names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:=20
>In such way=20
>- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:=20
>   docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and=20
>docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0=20
>- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0=20
>=20
>For 1.0 CM US traffic=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets=20
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>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive=20
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>docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or=20
>Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)=20
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>=20
>For 1.0 CM DS traffic=20
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>docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive=20
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>Note:=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS

>assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC=20
>address)=20
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>For DOCS-QOS-MIB:=20
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>I think William is trying to add a better control for the=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :=20
>- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to=20
>optimize getbulks requests:=20
>- first, last index ?=20
>=20
>Am I correct?=20
>One more would be a=20
>=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::=3D { docsQosMIBObjects 12 =
}

>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd=20
>docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear=20
>  after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so

>can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear=20
>automatically records Ini to End=20
>=20
>Eduardo=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>  -----Original Message-----=20
>From: Raftus, David=20
>[<mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com>mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com]=20
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM=20
>To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';=20
>'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg=20
>White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com';
'alexb@coresma.com';=20
>'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';=20
>'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';=20
>'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'=20
>Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List=20
>(E-mail); Raftus, David=20
>Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions=20
>=20
>Hi everyone,=20
>=20
>Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly

>or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The

>people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or=20
>commenting on the suggestions.=20
>=20
>Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are

>listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to=20
>ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are=20
>also welcome to comment.=20
>=20
>Thanks for your time,=20
>Dave=20
>=20
>=20
>1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6=20
>DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.=20
>=20
>Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve=20
>Malenfant Com21=20
>=20
>2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw=20
>bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))=20
>since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we

>know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to=20
>remove=20
>this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.=20
>=20
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco=20
>=20
>3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an=20
>interface.=20
>=20
>Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco=20
>=20
>4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,=20
>there is no such thing as a=20
>"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the=20
>network.   Station should be=20
>changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to
elapse=20
>between each broadcast=20
>initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are=20
>used to allow new cable modems=20
>to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm
is=20
>used instead of a fixed time.=20
>Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."=20
>=20
>Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom=20
>=20
>5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the

>docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has=20
>2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only=20
>object in this table without a=20
>meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For=20
>instance, for a TDMA modulation=20
>profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but=20
>something else. Does it make sense=20
>to have a value of 0 in this case, like=20
>docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?=20
>=20
>(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a=20
>enumeration unknown(0) for this=20
>object when not a 2.0 burst ?=20
>Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is=20
>tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"=20
>I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the=20
>possible current implementation may be reporting=20
>'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for
inetAddressType=20
>=20
>Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs=20
>=20
>6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive=20
>wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters=20
>that the=20
>CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.

>Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or=20
>all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then=20
>what about the frequency?=20
>Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would=20
>deserve a more detailed specification=20
>(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.=20
>=20
>Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper=20
>=20
>7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.=20
>=20
>Contributor - John Gillis ADC=20
>=20
>8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14=20
>(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of=20
>unicast sid number) for quite some time.=20
>Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?=20
>My personal think that this objects seems to mean the=20
>meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how=20
>many=20
>minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs

>should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs=20
>are=20
>still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.=20
>Minnie,=20
>I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves=20
>that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.=20
>I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0

>should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.=20
>This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the=20
>Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited
by=20
>the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already=20
>defined to mean "no CM".=20
>-Greg=20
>=20
>Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs=20
>=20
>9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed

>ucc transactions.=20
>Hi, Alex,=20
>I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into=20
>docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important=20
>and=20
>should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place=20
>for=20
>this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in=20
>future=20
>versions.=20
>Regards.=20
>Lucy=20
>Hello all,=20
>A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.=20
>It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or=20
>succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.=20
>The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,=20
>should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,=20
>docsQosDCCFails) ?=20
>Thank you in advance.=20
>=20
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma=20
>=20
>10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData -
clarify=20
>descriptions.=20
>Lucy,=20
>Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your=20
>proposal, as long as the=20
>format of the object is clear.=20
>To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only=20
>include the "value" from figure 8-23.=20
>In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the=20
>main tap location.  A clarification=20
>should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to

>indicate your interpretation (b).=20
>Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a=20
>simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI=20
>spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to
make=20
>sense to me to use the format=20
>shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to=20
>reference both figures.=20
>-Greg=20
>=20
>Greg,=20
>to summarize our objections:=20
>1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.=20
>2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9=20
>(Transmit Equalization Set), which is=20
>irrelevant after convolution.=20
>3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also=20
>into it. What?=20
>We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length

>to avoid questions in the future. If not,=20
>(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very=20
>helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.=20
>Best Regards.=20
>Lucy=20
>=20
>Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs=20
>=20
>11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.=20
>In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed=20
>from :=20
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
>            SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
>            MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
>            STATUS      current=20
>            DESCRIPTION=20
>                "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
>                 downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY=20
>signal=20
>                 quality of an upstream channel.=20
>                 An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an

>                 ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem=20
>Termination=20
>                 Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable
Modems."=20
>            INDEX { ifIndex }=20
>            ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
>to :=20
>docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE=20
>         SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry=20
>         MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible=20
>         STATUS      current=20
>         DESCRIPTION=20
>             "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a=20
>              downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal

>              quality of an upstream channel.=20
>              An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an=20
>              ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem=20
>Termination=20
>              Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."=20
>         INDEX { ifIndex }=20
>         ::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }=20
>But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205=20
>but 129=20
>=20
>Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs=20
>=20
>12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value=20
>registeredBPIInitializing(9),=20
>deprecate former value operational(8).=20
>=20
>Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu=20
>Cisco, David White Arris,=20
>Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe
Godas=20
>Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21=20
>=20
>13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add=20
>separate augmentation table for=20
>optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.=20
>=20
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike=20
>StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs=20
>=20
>14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis=20
>1.0/1.1/2.0.=20
>The QOS MIB tried to handle=20
>DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the

>rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place=20
>that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact=20
>in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.=20
>I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation=20
>with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace=20
>what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table=20
>are populated under the docsIfMib when the=20
>the modems are registering.=20
>This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is=20
>reached, can be document in the description of those=20
>objects.=20
>=20
>Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco=20
>=20
>15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream
and=20
>downstream flows.=20
>One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that=20
>the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts=20
>InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for=20
>keeping this table is to support DOCSIS=20
>1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to=20
>this table, too? Many CMTS'es already=20
>count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be=20
>nice to standardize this as a requirement=20
>so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it=20
>existing and (b) find it in a standard location.=20
>=20
>Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus=20
>=20
>16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable=20
>While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking

>about Minnie suggestion of having=20
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for=20
>DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS=20
>MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the=20
>subject.=20
>(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than=20
>this would the best place in all=20
>of the mibs to=20
>     get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular=20
>modem, no matter the version.=20
>(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might
not=20
>make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0=20
>However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed

>in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,=20
>the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count
data=20
>packet received and transmitted=20
>for a particular CM.=20
>I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the=20
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:=20
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets=20
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets=20
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets=20
>docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets=20
>While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous=20
>objects on both the CMTS and CM=20
>and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one=20
>agent and just get a quick summary=20
>without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which=20
>will determine which mibs I look etc.=20
>and objects I query.=20
>=20
>For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the=20
>number of transmitted and received=20
>data for each CM, then=20
>        (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version
of=20
>DOCSIS this modem is operting=20
>=20
>        if 'docsis10(1)' then=20
>                      (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for=20
>ifIndex and SID that=20
>                        have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that=20
>matches the index for step (1).=20
>=20
>                      (3) Add the all the instances of=20
>docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the=20
>                        ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get

>the total Received packets from a CM.=20
>=20
>                      NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS=20
>agent from the Standard MIBs the number of=20
>                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0

>cable modem.=20
>=20
>        else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then=20
>                      (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for

>the instances of that contain the=20
>                        same mac address.=20
>                      (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the=20
>ifIndex and=20
>                       service flow id from step(2). Add this to the=20
>total of received or transmitted for this CM.=20
>                          To determine the direction of the flow use
the=20
>same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.=20
>This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a=20
>suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the=20
>mistakes of the past.=20
>=20
>Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco=20
>=20
>17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of=20
>existing object or=20
>add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still=20
>under discussion.=20
>=20
>Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk=20
>Friedman Correlant.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>************************************=20
>David Raftus=20
>Terayon Canada Ltd=20
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202=20
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2=20
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>david.raftus@terayon.com=20
>613.592.1052  ext 222=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not sure if there&#8217;s time =
to
open any additional items, but one useful item would be an object in =
<span
class=3DSpellE>docsIfUpstreamChannelTable</span> named <span =
class=3DSpellE>docsIfUpChannelRxPowerset</span><span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>that would be read-create and =
report
what receive power level at the CMTS has been set for this channel.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>This would save MSO <span =
class=3DSpellE>NMSs</span>
from having to average the RX power across all of the <span =
class=3DSpellE>CMs</span>
to find the set point that they then use to see who is not reaching the =
CMTS at
the right power.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Raftus, David
[mailto:david.raftus@terayon.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 22, =
2003 8:50
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Minnie Lu'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Eduardo Cardona';
docsis-oss@cablelabs.com; Docsis 20 Reflector (E-mail); Ipcdn List =
(E-mail)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: rf mib draft =
v6 to
draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Minnie,</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I think the DESCRIPTION field of the
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval would be the appropriate place for =
such a
clarification. I'm afraid I don't quite understand your second suggested
sentence - &quot;Users should consider the steady conditions like 2nd or =
3rd
window.&quot; </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Your first sentence is probably sufficient
clarification - would you agree?</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Dave</span></font> =
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>************************************</span></f=
ont> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>David =
Raftus</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Software =
Manager</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Terayon Communications =
Canada</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>340 Terry Fox Drive, =
Suite 202</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Ottawa Canada&nbsp; K2K =
3A2</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>david.raftus@terayon.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>613.592.1052&nbsp; ext =
222</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>************************************&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From: Minnie Lu [<a
href=3D"mailto:milu@cisco.com">mailto:milu@cisco.com</a>]</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, August =
21, 2003
8:06 PM</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: Raftus, =
David</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona';
docsis-oss@CableLabs.com</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: RE: rf mib =
draft v6 to
draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug gestions</span></font> =
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi, David,</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; I know it takes already&nbsp; =
lots of
efforts to update the MIB for such long</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>list.&nbsp; Possible to =
take more ?
I would to request to clarify things in this</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>revision if =
possible.&nbsp; Thanks
a lot in advance !</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. I have sent out several =
questions
regarding the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval
(attached for your reference).&nbsp; If we</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>could have more =
clarification in
the next revision of rfmib, that will be</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>great helpful for =
devtest and
vendor to implement this object.&nbsp; My</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>suggestion would be in =
the document
Section 3.1.3 docsIfCmtsObjects,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable,
or the comments before</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval
object in the MIB file, add one more</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>sentence similar to =
below.</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot; It is vendor =
specific
implementation whether to restart the timer</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>when
docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed during =
utilization</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>reporting is in =
progress. Users
should consider the steady conditions like</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>2nd or 3rd</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>window.&quot;</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If I miss any thing, =
please
correct me.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Thanks a lot for
your help !</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Minnie</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David =
wrote:</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Hi Eduardo and all,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Regarding the status =
of the
proposed rf mib updates, there have been two</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;additions since the =
original
list was circulated:</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;18) Add new object
docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;19) Update =
references to latest
rf/oss specs, also to new versions of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;snmpv3 =
RFCs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Current development =
status of
draft v7 (note v6 expires end of September):</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;3) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;4) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;5) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;6) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;7) open - after =
consideration,
not sure this is a good idea - may not</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;implement</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;8) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;9) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;10) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;11) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;12) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;13) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;14) open - a large =
task - not
sure will be done for v7.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;15) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;16) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;17) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;18) =
complete</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;19) =
open</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Dave</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;************************************</span=
></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;David =
Raftus</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Software =
Manager</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Terayon =
Communications Canada</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;340 Terry Fox Drive, =
Suite 202</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Ottawa Canada&nbsp; =
K2K 3A2</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;david.raftus@terayon.com</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;613.592.1052&nbsp; =
ext 222</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;************************************</span=
></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;-----Original =
Message-----</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;From: Eduardo =
Cardona</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;[&lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</a=
>&gt;<a
href=3D"mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com">mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com</a=
>]</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Sent: Wednesday, =
August 20,
2003 1:58 PM</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;To: Raftus, David; =
Rich Woundy
(Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;stevem@com21.com;
mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;john.gillis@adc.com;
lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;david.white@arrisi.com;
matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;fred@stargus.com;
joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ASundelin@stargus.com;
vhou@juniper.net</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 =
Majordomo List;
DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List (E-mail)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Subject: RE: rf mib =
draft v6 to
draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;suggestions</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Hi =
David,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I would like to =
recap your
outstanding open issues list and see the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;status of several of =
them:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;like a short list to =
focus in
the pending ones:</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;items 1.. 17 =
Status</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1 =
CLOSED/OPEN?</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;3......</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; From the list : =
CM&nbsp;
counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;items 14, 15 =
16</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Although I like your =
proposal
of counters per subscriber (16), for</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;multiple flows and =
Dynamic
flows may not be clear how it works. or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;duplicated and hard =
to
correlate (see 3)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1) the table =
CmtsCmStatusTable
le is getting really big, ( although a</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;GetBulk can be =
selective)</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - not
all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;table/counters =
persistent?</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - if
desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will =
stop</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;growing?&nbsp; ( =
hopping CMs
around CMTSes in same plant)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2) AUGMENT extension =
can be an
option , but same questions</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;3) as much as I =
think of that,
QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;centralized =
placed</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;, =
but...</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - =
not
introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping =
Service</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ID with&nbsp; SFID =
US/DS for</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; * ) =
Implement
Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable
OutOctets, OutPackets)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on =
a</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;per-flow =
basis,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
so later agregation is an operative task</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Consider : David's =
Question for
DS counters from original email:</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;agent from the =
Standard MIBs
the number of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;cable =
modem.&quot;</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Since some vendors =
already
count CM DS packets I do not see any problem</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;with =
that</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; **) My =
proposal is
for Log stats into the&nbsp; docsQosServiceFlowLogTable</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;for 1.0 mode as soon =
as Service
ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs =
like</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&quot;CoS:xxx&quot;&nbsp; with
a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;names after colon if =
a CoS
Management in the CMTS is present:</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;In such =
way</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;- MSOS can pool for =
real time
statistics:</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceTable for =
1.0</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;- For accululated =
flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
for 1.0/1.1/2.0</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;For 1.0 CM US =
traffic</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</span></font>=

<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;
SID</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp;
t1 Time creation</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp;
t1</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</span></fo=
nt>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
'upstream'</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
'true'</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName
CoS:basic or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts
0 | (optional)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts
0 | (optional)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;For 1.0 CM DS =
traffic</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex</span></font>=

<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;
SID</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted&nbsp;
t1 Time creation</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated&nbsp;
t1</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive</span></fo=
nt>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
'dowstream'</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
'true'</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName
CoS:basic or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts
0 | (optional)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts
0 | (optional)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Note:</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID&nbsp;&nbsp;
May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;assignemt but the =
real key (
aggregate field key for a device is MAC</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;address)</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;For =
DOCS-QOS-MIB:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I think William is =
trying to
add a better control for the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogTable =
:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;- Count total number =
of
existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;optimize getbulks =
requests:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;- first, last index =
?</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Am I =
correct?</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;One more would be =
a</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni
under ::=3D { docsQosMIBObjects 12 }</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd</span=
></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear</sp=
an></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp; after a bulk =
of n rows
the polling system knows the last row index so</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;can intruct the
docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;automatically =
records Ini to
End</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Eduardo</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp; -----Original
Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;From: Raftus, =
David</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;[&lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com<=
/a>&gt;<a
href=3D"mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com">mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com<=
/a>]</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Sent: Tuesday, June =
17, 2003
9:37 AM</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;To: Rich Woundy =
(Work)
(E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;'mdolas@broadcom.com';
'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;White; =
'john.gillis@adc.com';
'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com';</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;'david.white@arrisi.com';
'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;'kfriedman@correlant.com';
'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;'W.Murwin@motorola.com';
'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 =
Majordomo List;
DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(E-mail); Raftus, =
David</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Subject: rf mib =
draft v6 to
draft v7 suggestions</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Hi =
everyone,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Since RF mib v2 =
draft 6 was
released in March, I have received publicly</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;or privately 17 =
requests for
updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;people on the To: =
list have
participated in either initiating or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;commenting on the =
suggestions.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Could I ask these =
people to
please verify their suggestions as they are</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;listed below? This =
mib update
from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ensure data is =
accurate before
undertaking. The wider communities are</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;also welcome to =
comment.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Thanks for your =
time,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Dave</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1) Return name to =
pre draft v6
DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Rich =
Woundy
IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Malenfant =
Com21</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2)
docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * =
((raw</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;bytes - stuffed =
bytes) / raw
bytes))</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;since it assumes =
that MPEG
payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;know, MPEG could =
consist video
payload and NULL packets. Suggest to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;remove</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;this line since the =
first 2
lines in the formula are good enough.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Minnie
Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cisco</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;3) Add discontinuity
descriptions to all counters related to an</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;interface.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Minnie
Lu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cisco</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;4) =
docsIfCmtsInsertInterval -
For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;there is no such =
thing as a</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&quot;broadcast =
station
maintenance&quot; interval for new modems joining the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;network.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Station
should be</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;changed to initial =
to make the
text read - &quot;The amount of time to elapse</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;between each =
broadcast</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;initial maintenance
grant.&nbsp; Broadcast initial maintenance grants are</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;used to allow new =
cable modems</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to join the =
network.&nbsp; Zero
indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;used instead of a =
fixed time.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Maximum amount of =
time
permitted by the specification is 2 seconds.&quot;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Margo =
Dolas
Broadcom</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;5) =
docsIfCmtsModPreambleType -
(Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsModPreambleType
object has</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2 possible values =
qpsk0(1) and
qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;object in this table =
without a</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;meaningful default =
value when
this parameter does not make sense. For</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;instance, for a TDMA =
modulation</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;profile using QAM16, =
the actual
preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;something else. Does =
it make
sense</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to have a value of 0 =
in this
case, like</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize
for non-SCDMA profiles?</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(Eduardo) for the =
benefit of
clarifications wouldn't be good to have a</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;enumeration =
unknown(0) for this</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;object when not a =
2.0 burst ?</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Also a note in the =
DESCRIPTION
like &quot;if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;tdma(1) a value =
unknown(0) is
used for this object&quot;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I would say =
unknown(0) rather
than unknown(3) since it looks like the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;possible current =
implementation
may be reporting</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;'0' , and defendable =
in IETF
since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Joel =
Demarty
Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;6) =
docsIfUpstreamChannelTable
clone mechanism - improve descriptive</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;wording. The spec is =
vague
about the minimum set of parameters</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;that =
the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;CMTS must transfer =
during a
clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Only those starting =
with
docsIfUpChannelScdma or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;all parameters =
defining an
SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;what about the =
frequency?</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Definitely, this =
clone
mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;deserve a more =
detailed
specification</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(and testing) and, =
as a
consequence, an ECR.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Joel =
Demarty
Juniper</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;7) =
docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable -
add DEFVAL clause.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - John =
Gillis ADC</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;8)
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use =
IUC14</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(reserved) and SID =
(HEX): 1FFF
(max. of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;unicast sid number) =
for quite
some time.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Q: Should it be =
counted in
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;My personal think =
that this
objects seems to mean the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;meaningful&nbsp; =
UNICAST SID,
so user could get a good idea about the how</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;many</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;minislots really =
assigned to
some meaningful CM.&nbsp; So, the reserved IUCs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;should be excluded =
from this
object though minislots for reserved IUCs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;are</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;still be counted =
into
docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Minnie,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I agree, I think =
IUC14 grants
to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;that SID to mean no =
CM) should
not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I also think (and =
maybe this
case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;should not be =
counted in
UcastGrantedMslots.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;This brings up a =
question that
I've had for some time.&nbsp; Why does the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cisco CMTS use IUC14 =
and SID
1FFF????&nbsp; The use of IUC14 is prohibited by</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the spec, since it =
is labeled
as &quot;Reserved&quot;, and SID 0 is already</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;defined to mean =
&quot;no
CM&quot;.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;-Greg</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - =
Minnie Lu Cisco,
Greg White Cablelabs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;9) =
docsIfCmStatusTable -
possibly add new objects for successful/failed</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ucc =
transactions.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Hi, =
Alex,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I do not think that =
this is
good idea. What will you count into</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosDCCAcks? The =
relationships
between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;and</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;should not be lost =
because of
UCC additions. I guess, the better place</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;for</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;this counters is RFI =
MIB
docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;future</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;versions.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Regards.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Lucy</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Hello =
all,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;A question about =
counting
successful and failed UCC transactions.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;It seems like there =
is no
counters dedicated for UCC failed or</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;succeeded operation =
as it is
for DCC transactions.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;The question is, =
since UCC is a
subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;should the modem =
count UCC
transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsQosDCCFails) =
?</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Thank you in =
advance.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Lucy =
Pollak TI,
Alex Betis Coresma</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;10) =
docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable,
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;descriptions.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Lucy,</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Sorry for the delay =
in
responding.&nbsp; I don't have an objection to your</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;proposal, as long as =
the</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;format of the object =
is clear.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;To summarize, the =
object
docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;include the =
&quot;value&quot;
from figure 8-23.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;In other words, the =
first byte
reported in the MIB object will be the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;main tap =
location.&nbsp; A
clarification</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;should also be made =
to the
description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;indicate your =
interpretation
(b).</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Regarding the =
question about
reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;simplification of =
figure 6-23
from the 1.1 RFI</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;spec (which includes =
a format
to encode reverse taps).&nbsp; It seems to make</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;sense to me to use =
the format</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;shown in that =
figure.&nbsp;
Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;reference both =
figures.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;-Greg</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Greg,</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to summarize our =
objections:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1. MIB requires =
equalization
data, then type/length is irrelevant.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;2. There are 2 =
possible types 4
(Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(Transmit =
Equalization Set),
which is</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;irrelevant after =
convolution.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;3. To be consistent =
with DS
equa data, some TLV should be added also</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;into it. =
What?</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;We propose to use =
only value
from referenced figure without type/length</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to avoid questions =
in the
future. If not,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(2) and (3) should =
be
clarified. I guess, that it will be also very</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;helpful if =
clarification (b)
will be entered into MIB.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Best =
Regards.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Lucy</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Lucy =
Pollak TI,
Greg White Cablelabs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;11) =
docsIfSignalQualityEntry -
clarify wording for back compatibility.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;In draft -03 the =
description
of&nbsp; docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;from :</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry
OBJECT-TYPE</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
DESCRIPTION</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;signal</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
quality of an upstream channel.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Termination</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
INDEX { ifIndex }</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to :</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfSignalQualityEntry
OBJECT-TYPE</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
DocsIfSignalQualityEntry</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
MAX-ACCESS&nbsp; not-accessible</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
DESCRIPTION</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
quality of an upstream channel.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Termination</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable =
Modems.&quot;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
INDEX { ifIndex }</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
::=3D { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;But now RFI mib also =
apply to
1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;but =
129</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - =
Eduardo Cardona
Cablelabs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;12) =
docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue -
add new defined value</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;registeredBPIInitializing(9),</span></font=
>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;deprecate former =
value
operational(8).</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - =
Eduardo Cardona
Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Cisco, David White =
Arris,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Matt Schmitt Arris, =
Kirk
Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Kar-el, Steve =
Malenfant Com21</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;13) Adjust =
compliance
statements for objects designated optional. Add</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;separate =
augmentation table for</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;optional objects in
docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Will =
Murwin
Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;StJohns Mindspring, =
Eduardo
Cardona Cablelabs</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;14) Add section =
explaining
counter interaction between Docsis</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1.0/1.1/2.0.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;The QOS MIB tried to =
handle</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 changes =
to RFC2670.
Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;rf-mib v2 and the =
DOCSIS OSS
Specs is the place</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;that should clearly =
state how
these counters and other tables interact</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;in DOCSIS 1.0, =
DOCSIS 1.1, and
DOCSIS 2.0.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I would even hope to =
see a
section in the rf-mib v2, &quot;Interoperation</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;with the version of
DOCSIS&quot; like or to replace</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;what the DOCSIS QOS =
MIB has.
This is the place to describe what table</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;are populated under =
the
docsIfMib when the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the modems are =
registering.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;This way this issue =
can be
re-discussed and whatever conculsion is</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;reached, can be =
document in the
description of those</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;objects.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Will =
Murwin
Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;15) Change
docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream =
and</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;downstream =
flows.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;One of the things =
that has long
been an issue with the RF MIB is that</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the =
docsIfCmtsServiceTable only
counts</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;InOctets and =
InPackets (i.e.
upstream packets only). If the reason for</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;keeping this table =
is to
support DOCSIS</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;1.0 modems would it =
also make
sense to add downstream packet counts to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;this table, too? =
Many CMTS'es
already</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;count this =
information and
store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;nice to standardize =
this as a
requirement</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;so that NMS such as =
usage
monitoring systems could (a) count on it</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;existing and (b) =
find it in a
standard location.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributor - Andrew =
Sundelin
Stargus</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;16) Add 4 objects to
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;While writing =
DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB
version 9, I find myself still thinking</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;about Minnie =
suggestion of
having</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and
docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. =
Even though
the QOS</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;MIB has pawned off =
this
discussion, I have had some thoughts on the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;subject.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(1) If these =
counters where
used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;this would the best =
place in
all</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;of the mibs =
to</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get a
quick summary of the upstream data received by a =
particular</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;modem, no matter the =
version.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;(2) At the same =
time, The rest
of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;make sense for =
DOCSIS 1.1 or
2.0</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;However the more I =
looked
around at the different counters that existed</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;in all of MIB =
required by
DOCSIS,</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the more I kept =
looking for an
overall counter on the CMTS to count data</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;packet received and =
transmitted</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;for a particular =
CM.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I would like to =
start a
discussion on about adding 4 new object to the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets</span></font>=

<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;While I understand =
that these
counts can be gathered by via numerous</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;objects on both the =
CMTS and CM</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;and then just =
appling simple
math. However I want to query only one</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;agent and just get a =
quick
summary</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;without have to =
determine which
version of DOCSIS the modem is, which</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;will determine which =
mibs I
look etc.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;and objects I =
query.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;For example if I =
want query
only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;number of =
transmitted and received</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;data for each CM, =
then</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

(1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version =
of</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;DOCSIS this modem is =
operting</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

if 'docsis10(1)' then</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
(2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ifIndex and SID =
that</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;matches the index =
for step (1).</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
(3) Add the all the instances of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for
the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the total Received =
packets from
a CM.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;agent from the =
Standard MIBs
the number of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;cable =
modem.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
(2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;the instances of =
that contain
the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
same mac address.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
(3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ifIndex =
and</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
service flow id from step(2). Add this to the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;total of received or
transmitted for this CM.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
To determine the direction of the flow use the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;same index and query =
the
docsQosServiceFlowDirection.</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;This seems very =
complicated for
something so simple. This is just a</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;suggestion of simple =
way the RF
MIB v2 can correct the</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;mistakes of the =
past.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Contributors - Will =
Murwin
Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;17)
docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription =
of</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;existing object =
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Folks,

I added a pointer to the most recent MIB guidelines on
<http://www.ipcdn.org/ipcdn-id-hints.html>.

-- Rich

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Greetings,

The latest "Guidelines for MIB Authors and Reviewers" draft, which
was submitted on 22 Aug 2003, is now available at

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02.
txt

I expect that the official announcement will arrive shortly.

You will also see some new additions on the OPS Area web page at:

http://www.ops.ietf.org

to accompany this new document.

Although the I-D itself has a revision history, I thought it would
be helpful to explicitly list all the changes here.  Here is what
has changed since the previous version:

1.) The following changes were made to avoid the implication
that reviews are required only for OPS Area MIB documents:
Section 1:    s/OPS area review/expert review/
Section 4.2:  s/OPS Area MIB reviewers/MIB reviewers/
Section 4.8:  s/OPS Area MIB reviewers/MIB reviewers/

2.) Imperatives from RFC 2119 were capitalized in the following
places:  Section 3.2 (last paragraph), Section 3.8 (first
paragraph), Section 4.9 (first bullet in first paragraph), and
Appendix A (checklist item #7).

3.) The EDITOR'S NOTE in Section 3.8 was replaced with text
describing the actual form of the copyright notice that is now
required for IANA-maintained MIB modules.

4.) In Sections 4.1 & 4.2:  s/Appendix E/Appendix C/ (appendices
were renumbered owing to the elimination of -01 appendices B & C).

5.) Two typographical errors (s/the the/the/,
s/ifCounterDisconuityTime/ifCounterDiscontinuityTime/) were
corrected in the first bullet of Section 4.6.1.2.

6.) In Section 4.6.1.10 a pointer was added to the "Common TCs"
page (http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-common-tcs.html) on the OPS Area
web site.

7.) A "DISPLAY-HINT Clause" section was added;  it is Section
4.6.3 in the -02 draft.  The following section numbers have
changed as a result of this addition:

-01 section number      -02 section number
      4.6.3                   4.6.4
      4.6.4                   4.6.5
      4.6.5                   4.6.6

8.) A typographical error (s/are can be/can be/) was corrected in
Section 4.6.4 (formerly Section 4.6.3).

9.) In Sections 4.6.5 (formerly 4.6.4) and 4.7 a pointer to the
new "Suggested OID Layout" appendix was added (it is Appendix D in
the -02 draft, owing to the elimination of -01 appendices B & C).

10.) In Section 4.7 the notification throttling text was
wordsmithed.

11.) A typographical error (s/following contains the/following/)
was corrected in the third paragraph of Section 4.8.

12.) The text of Section 4.9, third paragraph, first bullet and
fifth paragraph, first bullet was revised to allow changes to BITS
and enum labels in order to correct typographical errors.

13.) The text of Section 4.9, third paragraph, second bullet was
revised to allow redundant range or size constraints to be
removed.

14.) In the last paragraph of Section 4.9 the references to
smidiff and -01 Appendix B were replaced by a pointer to the "MIB
Review Tools" page (http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-review-tools.html)
on the OPS Area web site.

15.) The text of Appendix A, checklist item #7 was corrected to
reflect actual IESG policy on publication of initial versions of
IANA-maintained MIB modules in RFCs.  It is now consistent with
Section 3.7.

16.) In Appendix A draft -01 checklist items #9, #10, and #11 were
consolidated into -02 checklist items #9 (which is equivalent to
-01 checklist item #10) and #10 (which is equivalent to the union
of -01 items #9 and #11).  The new item #10 consolidates the MIB
compilation step into the technical review, and replaces mention
of specific MIB compilation tools with a a pointer to the "MIB
Review Tools" page (http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-review-tools.html)
on the OPS Area web site.

17.) Draft -01 appendices B and C have been eliminated.  They have
been superseded by the "MIB Review Tools" page on the OPS Area web
site (http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-review-tools.html).  The
following appendix names have changed as a result:

-01 appendix name       -02 appendix name
    Appendix D              Appendix B
    Appendix E              Appendix C

18.) A new "Suggested OID Layout" appendix was added.  It is
Appendix D in the -02 draft, owing to the elimination of -01
appendices B & C.

Here is the list of known open issues:

1.)  There is work in progress by IPR working group to update RFC
2026 Section 10 that will probably require updates to this memo.

Please send any comments you have to the mibs@ops.ietf.org mailing
list.

Thanks and regards,

Mike
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 Folks,
   In the actual MIB, it looks as though "LAST-UPDATED" 
 and "REVISION" contain the old June, 2003 date rather 
 than August.   
   Also, section 7 contains a spelling mistake (constains VS. 
 constraints).  We may want to re-word that paragraph as the 
 grammar is a little confusing.  
 Perhaps, "Implementers are encouraged to follow the object 
 range constraints defined in the docsBpi2CmtsCompliance 
 MODULE-COMPLIANCE clause.  This is in order to minimize 
 the risk of malicious or unintended short periods of time
 for key updates that may lead to degradation or denial of 
 service."  See below for the original.
   Other than that, it looks fine.
 -Stu
 
 Original:
 docsBpi2CmtsDefaultAuthLifetime, 
            docsBpi2CmtsDefaultTEKLifetime, 
            docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmLifetime, 
            docsBpi2CmtsTEKLifetime: 
                Implementers are encouraged to follow these objects  
                range constrains defined in docsBpi2CmtsCompliance  
                MODULE-COMPLIANCE clause for operational deployments  
                to minimize the risk of malicious or unintended short  
                periods of time for keys updates that may lead into 
                degradation or denial of service.  
 
 
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From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:59 PM
To: ipcdn@ietf.org
Cc: Alexander Katsnelson; Eduardo Cardona; stuart.green@adc.com;
Kazuyoshi.Ozawa@toshiba.co.jp; Woundy, Richard; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Subject: WGLC: BPI+ MIB, draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-11.txt


Folks,

We would like to start the working group last call for the DOCSIS BPI+
MIB, draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-11.txt.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-11.txt

The last call is scheduled to end on Tuesday September 9th.

Please send comments (both positive and negative) to co-authors & the
ipcdn@ietf.org mailing list reflector.

-- Richard Woundy and Jean-Francois Mule, IPCDN Co-Chairs

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Hi, David,

Yes. Thanks a lot for your help !
Minnie

At 05:49 AM 8/22/2003 -0700, Raftus, David wrote:

>Hi Minnie,
>
>I think the DESCRIPTION field of the docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval 
>would be the appropriate place for such a clarification. I'm afraid I 
>don't quite understand your second suggested sentence - "Users should 
>consider the steady conditions like 2nd or 3rd window."
>
>Your first sentence is probably sufficient clarification - would you agree?
>
>Thanks,
>Dave
>
>************************************
>David Raftus
>Software Manager
>Terayon Communications Canada
>340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
>Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
>
>david.raftus@terayon.com
>613.592.1052  ext 222
>************************************
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Minnie Lu [<mailto:milu@cisco.com>mailto:milu@cisco.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:06 PM
>To: Raftus, David
>Cc: 'Eduardo Cardona'; docsis-oss@CableLabs.com
>Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB sug 
>gestions
>
>Hi, David,
>
>    I know it takes already  lots of efforts to update the MIB for such long
>list.  Possible to take more ? I would to request to clarify things in this
>revision if possible.  Thanks a lot in advance !
>
>    1. I have sent out several questions regarding the
>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval (attached for your reference).  If we
>could have more clarification in the next revision of rfmib, that will be
>great helpful for devtest and vendor to implement this object.  My
>suggestion would be in the document Section 3.1.3 docsIfCmtsObjects,
>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationTable, or the comments before
>docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval object in the MIB file, add one more
>sentence similar to below.
>
>     " It is vendor specific implementation whether to restart the timer
>when docsIfCmtsChannelUtilizationInterval is changed during utilization
>reporting is in progress. Users should consider the steady conditions like
>2nd or 3rd
>window."
>
>      If I miss any thing, please correct me.
>     Thanks a lot for your help !
>     Minnie
>
>At 05:09 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, Raftus, David wrote:
>
> >Hi Eduardo and all,
> >
> >Regarding the status of the proposed rf mib updates, there have been two
> >additions since the original list was circulated:
> >
> >18) Add new object docsIfCmtsCmStatusValueLastUpdate as per oss-n-03068.
> >19) Update references to latest rf/oss specs, also to new versions of
> >snmpv3 RFCs
> >
> >Current development status of draft v7 (note v6 expires end of September):
> >1) complete
> >2) complete
> >3) open
> >4) complete
> >5) complete
> >6) open
> >7) open - after consideration, not sure this is a good idea - may not
> >implement
> >8) complete
> >9) open
> >10) complete
> >11) complete
> >12) complete
> >13) open
> >14) open - a large task - not sure will be done for v7.
> >15) open
> >16) open
> >17) open
> >18) complete
> >19) open
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >************************************
> >David Raftus
> >Software Manager
> >Terayon Communications Canada
> >340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
> >Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
> >
> >david.raftus@terayon.com
> >613.592.1052  ext 222
> >************************************
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Eduardo Cardona
> >[<<mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com>mailto:e.cardona@CableLabs.com>mailto:e 
> .cardona@CableLabs.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:58 PM
> >To: Raftus, David; Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); milu@cisco.com;
> >stevem@com21.com; mdolas@broadcom.com; jdemarty@juniper.net; Greg White;
> >john.gillis@adc.com; lucy.pollak@ti.com; alexb@coresma.com;
> >david.white@arrisi.com; matt.schmitt@arrisi.com; kfriedman@correlant.com;
> >fred@stargus.com; joe@kar-el.cvnet.com; W.Murwin@motorola.com;
> >ASundelin@stargus.com; vhou@juniper.net
> >
> >Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List 
> (E-mail)
> >Subject: RE: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions Then DOCS-QOS-MIB
> >suggestions
> >
> >Hi David,
> >
> >I would like to recap your outstanding open issues list and see the
> >status of several of them:
> >
> >like a short list to focus in the pending ones:
> >items 1.. 17 Status
> >1 CLOSED/OPEN?
> >2
> >3......
> >
> > From the list : CM  counters for 1.0 CM 1.0 Interoperability
> >
> >items 14, 15 16
> >
> >Although I like your proposal of counters per subscriber (16), for
> >multiple flows and Dynamic flows may not be clear how it works. or
> >duplicated and hard to correlate (see 3)
> >
> >1) the table CmtsCmStatusTable le is getting really big, ( although a
> >GetBulk can be selective)
> >     - not all CMTSes Caches docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex, Would be this
> >table/counters persistent?
> >     - if desired persisntent CmtsCmStatusIndex When would it will stop
> >growing?  ( hopping CMs around CMTSes in same plant)
> >2) AUGMENT extension can be an option , but same questions
> >
> >3) as much as I think of that, QOS mib, the docsQos Log is to me a more
> >centralized placed
> >, but...
> >    - not introduce conflicts with ParamSetTable, fully mapping Service
> >ID with  SFID US/DS for
> >
> >   * ) Implement Andrew Solution Item ( augmenting the
> >docsIfCmtsServiceTable OutOctets, OutPackets)
> >       No counters for 1.1/2.0 CMs, docsQos already have those on a
> >per-flow basis,
> >       so later agregation is an operative task
> >
> >Consider : David's Question for DS counters from original email:
> >                      "NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
> >agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
> >                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
> >cable modem."
> >Since some vendors already count CM DS packets I do not see any problem
> >with that
> >
> >   **) My proposal is for Log stats into the  docsQosServiceFlowLogTable
> >for 1.0 mode as soon as Service ID is deleted ( cm boots, etc.)
> >
> >         Would be convenient ClassName have a FIX Tag for 1.0 CMs like
> >"CoS:xxx"  with a CoS:basic as default but vendors may assign different
> >names after colon if a CoS Management in the CMTS is present:
> >In such way
> >- MSOS can pool for real time statistics:
> >   docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable for 1.1 and 2.0 Cms and
> >docsIfCmtsServiceTable for 1.0
> >- For accululated flows: docsQosServiceFlowLogTable for 1.0/1.1/2.0
> >
> >For 1.0 CM US traffic
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'upstream'
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
> >Cos:VendorXUSScheduler, etc
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)
> >
> >For 1.0 CM DS traffic
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogIndex
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogIfIndex
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID     SID
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogCmMac
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPkts
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogOctets
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeDeleted  t1 Time creation
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeCreated  t1
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTimeActive
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogDirection    'dowstream'
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPrimary      'true'
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogServiceClassName CoS:basic or
> >Cos:VendorXDSScheduler, etc
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDropPkts 0 | (optional)
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogPolicedDelayPkts 0 | (optional)
> >
> >Note:
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogSFID   May would conflict with SFID in the 1.1 QOS
> >assignemt but the real key ( aggregate field key for a device is MAC
> >address)
> >
> >For DOCS-QOS-MIB:
> >
> >I think William is trying to add a better control for the
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogTable :
> >- Count total number of existing rows: ( I believe is for draft 09) to
> >optimize getbulks requests:
> >- first, last index ?
> >
> >Am I correct?
> >One more would be a
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeIni under ::= { docsQosMIBObjects 12 }
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeEnd
> >docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear
> >  after a bulk of n rows the polling system knows the last row index so
> >can intruct the docsQosServiceFlowLogControlRangeClear object to clear
> >automatically records Ini to End
> >
> >Eduardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >From: Raftus, David
> >[<<mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com>mailto:david.raftus@Terayon.com>mailto 
> :david.raftus@Terayon.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 AM
> >To: Rich Woundy (Work) (E-mail); 'milu@cisco.com'; 'stevem@com21.com';
> >'mdolas@broadcom.com'; 'jdemarty@juniper.net'; Eduardo Cardona; Greg
> >White; 'john.gillis@adc.com'; 'lucy.pollak@ti.com'; 'alexb@coresma.com';
> >'david.white@arrisi.com'; 'matt.schmitt@arrisi.com';
> >'kfriedman@correlant.com'; 'fred@stargus.com'; 'joe@kar-el.cvnet.com';
> >'W.Murwin@motorola.com'; 'ASundelin@stargus.com'; 'vhou@juniper.net'
> >Cc: DOCSIS 2.0 Majordomo List; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; Ipcdn List
> >(E-mail); Raftus, David
> >Subject: rf mib draft v6 to draft v7 suggestions
> >
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Since RF mib v2 draft 6 was released in March, I have received publicly
> >or privately 17 requests for updates/changes to appear in draft v7. The
> >people on the To: list have participated in either initiating or
> >commenting on the suggestions.
> >
> >Could I ask these people to please verify their suggestions as they are
> >listed below? This mib update from v6 to v7 is extensive - want to
> >ensure data is accurate before undertaking. The wider communities are
> >also welcome to comment.
> >
> >Thanks for your time,
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >1) Return name to pre draft v6 DOCS-IF-MIB from draft v6
> >DOCS-IETF-RFI-MIB.
> >
> >Contributors - Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Minnie Lu Cisco, Steve
> >Malenfant Com21
> >
> >2) docsIfCmtsChannelUtUtilization formula - remove line (100 * ((raw
> >bytes - stuffed bytes) / raw bytes))
> >since it assumes that MPEG payload consists only DOC MAC payload. As we
> >know, MPEG could consist video payload and NULL packets. Suggest to
> >remove
> >this line since the first 2 lines in the formula are good enough.
> >
> >Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco
> >
> >3) Add discontinuity descriptions to all counters related to an
> >interface.
> >
> >Contributor - Minnie Lu    Cisco
> >
> >4) docsIfCmtsInsertInterval - For the docsIfCmtsInsertInterval object,
> >there is no such thing as a
> >"broadcast station maintenance" interval for new modems joining the
> >network.   Station should be
> >changed to initial to make the text read - "The amount of time to elapse
> >between each broadcast
> >initial maintenance grant.  Broadcast initial maintenance grants are
> >used to allow new cable modems
> >to join the network.  Zero indicates that a vendor-specific algorithm is
> >used instead of a fixed time.
> >Maximum amount of time permitted by the specification is 2 seconds."
> >
> >Contributor - Margo Dolas Broadcom
> >
> >5) docsIfCmtsModPreambleType - (Joel) In docsIfCmtsModulationTable, the
> >docsIfCmtsModPreambleType object has
> >2 possible values qpsk0(1) and qpsk1(2). It seems like it's the only
> >object in this table without a
> >meaningful default value when this parameter does not make sense. For
> >instance, for a TDMA modulation
> >profile using QAM16, the actual preamble type is indeed not QPSK0 but
> >something else. Does it make sense
> >to have a value of 0 in this case, like
> >docsIfCmtsModScdmaInterleaverStepSize for non-SCDMA profiles?
> >
> >(Eduardo) for the benefit of clarifications wouldn't be good to have a
> >enumeration unknown(0) for this
> >object when not a 2.0 burst ?
> >Also a note in the DESCRIPTION like "if docsIfCmtsModChannelType is
> >tdma(1) a value unknown(0) is used for this object"
> >I would say unknown(0) rather than unknown(3) since it looks like the
> >possible current implementation may be reporting
> >'0' , and defendable in IETF since RFC 3291 uses '0' for inetAddressType
> >
> >Contributors - Joel Demarty Juniper, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
> >
> >6) docsIfUpstreamChannelTable clone mechanism - improve descriptive
> >wording. The spec is vague about the minimum set of parameters
> >that the
> >CMTS must transfer during a clone operation to be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant.
> >Only those starting with docsIfUpChannelScdma or
> >all parameters defining an SCDMA channel, like the channel width? Then
> >what about the frequency?
> >Definitely, this clone mechanism is sophisticated enough that it would
> >deserve a more detailed specification
> >(and testing) and, as a consequence, an ECR.
> >
> >Contributor - Joel Demarty Juniper
> >
> >7) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable - add DEFVAL clause.
> >
> >Contributor - John Gillis ADC
> >
> >8) docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots - In Cisco CMTS, we use IUC14
> >(reserved) and SID (HEX): 1FFF (max. of
> >unicast sid number) for quite some time.
> >Q: Should it be counted in docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrUcastGrantedMslots ?
> >My personal think that this objects seems to mean the
> >meaningful  UNICAST SID, so user could get a good idea about the how
> >many
> >minislots really assigned to some meaningful CM.  So, the reserved IUCs
> >should be excluded from this object though minislots for reserved IUCs
> >are
> >still be counted into docsIfCmtsUpChnlCtrTotalMslots.
> >Minnie,
> >I agree, I think IUC14 grants to SID 1FFF (assuming the CMTS reserves
> >that SID to mean no CM) should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
> >I also think (and maybe this case is more obvious) than grants to SID 0
> >should not be counted in UcastGrantedMslots.
> >This brings up a question that I've had for some time.  Why does the
> >Cisco CMTS use IUC14 and SID 1FFF????  The use of IUC14 is prohibited by
> >the spec, since it is labeled as "Reserved", and SID 0 is already
> >defined to mean "no CM".
> >-Greg
> >
> >Contributors - Minnie Lu Cisco, Greg White Cablelabs
> >
> >9) docsIfCmStatusTable - possibly add new objects for successful/failed
> >ucc transactions.
> >Hi, Alex,
> >I do not think that this is good idea. What will you count into
> >docsQosDCCAcks? The relationships between DCC Req/Rsp/Ack is important
> >and
> >should not be lost because of UCC additions. I guess, the better place
> >for
> >this counters is RFI MIB docsIfCmStatusTable. It may be extended in
> >future
> >versions.
> >Regards.
> >Lucy
> >Hello all,
> >A question about counting successful and failed UCC transactions.
> >It seems like there is no counters dedicated for UCC failed or
> >succeeded operation as it is for DCC transactions.
> >The question is, since UCC is a subset of DCC operation for 1.1 modem,
> >should the modem count UCC transactions in DCC counters (docsQosDCCs,
> >docsQosDCCFails) ?
> >Thank you in advance.
> >
> >Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Alex Betis Coresma
> >
> >10) docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable, docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData - clarify
> >descriptions.
> >Lucy,
> >Sorry for the delay in responding.  I don't have an objection to your
> >proposal, as long as the
> >format of the object is clear.
> >To summarize, the object docsIfCmStatusEqualizationData will only
> >include the "value" from figure 8-23.
> >In other words, the first byte reported in the MIB object will be the
> >main tap location.  A clarification
> >should also be made to the description of docsIfUpChannelPreEqEnable to
> >indicate your interpretation (b).
> >Regarding the question about reverse taps, figure 8-23 is a
> >simplification of figure 6-23 from the 1.1 RFI
> >spec (which includes a format to encode reverse taps).  It seems to make
> >sense to me to use the format
> >shown in that figure.  Perhaps this MIB object could be clarified to
> >reference both figures.
> >-Greg
> >
> >Greg,
> >to summarize our objections:
> >1. MIB requires equalization data, then type/length is irrelevant.
> >2. There are 2 possible types 4 (Transmit Equalization Adjust) or 9
> >(Transmit Equalization Set), which is
> >irrelevant after convolution.
> >3. To be consistent with DS equa data, some TLV should be added also
> >into it. What?
> >We propose to use only value from referenced figure without type/length
> >to avoid questions in the future. If not,
> >(2) and (3) should be clarified. I guess, that it will be also very
> >helpful if clarification (b) will be entered into MIB.
> >Best Regards.
> >Lucy
> >
> >Contributors - Lucy Pollak TI, Greg White Cablelabs
> >
> >11) docsIfSignalQualityEntry - clarify wording for back compatibility.
> >In draft -03 the description of  docsIfSignalQualityEntry was changed
> >from :
> >docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
> >            SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
> >            MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
> >            STATUS      current
> >            DESCRIPTION
> >                "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
> >                 downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY
> >signal
> >                 quality of an upstream channel.
> >                 An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
> >                 ifType of docsCableUpstream(129) for Cable Modem
> >Termination
> >                 Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
> >            INDEX { ifIndex }
> >            ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
> >to :
> >docsIfSignalQualityEntry OBJECT-TYPE
> >         SYNTAX      DocsIfSignalQualityEntry
> >         MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
> >         STATUS      current
> >         DESCRIPTION
> >             "At the CM, describes the PHY characteristics of a
> >              downstream channel. At the CMTS, describes the PHY signal
> >              quality of an upstream channel.
> >              An entry in this table exists for each ifEntry with an
> >              ifType of docsCableUpstreamChannel(205) for Cable Modem
> >Termination
> >              Systems and docsCableDownstream(128) for Cable Modems."
> >         INDEX { ifIndex }
> >         ::= { docsIfSignalQualityTable 1 }
> >But now RFI mib also apply to 1.1 CMTSes with no concept of ifType 205
> >but 129
> >
> >Contributor - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
> >
> >12) docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue - add new defined value
> >registeredBPIInitializing(9),
> >deprecate former value operational(8).
> >
> >Contributors - Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs, Lucy Pollak TI, Minnie Lu
> >Cisco, David White Arris,
> >Matt Schmitt Arris, Kirk Friedman Correlant, Fred Oko Stargus, Joe Godas
> >Kar-el, Steve Malenfant Com21
> >
> >13) Adjust compliance statements for objects designated optional. Add
> >separate augmentation table for
> >optional objects in docsIfCmtsUpChannelCounterTable.
> >
> >Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Mike
> >StJohns Mindspring, Eduardo Cardona Cablelabs
> >
> >14) Add section explaining counter interaction between Docsis
> >1.0/1.1/2.0.
> >The QOS MIB tried to handle
> >DOCSIS 1.1 changes to RFC2670. Now that rfc2670 is being obsoleted, the
> >rf-mib v2 and the DOCSIS OSS Specs is the place
> >that should clearly state how these counters and other tables interact
> >in DOCSIS 1.0, DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0.
> >I would even hope to see a section in the rf-mib v2, "Interoperation
> >with the version of DOCSIS" like or to replace
> >what the DOCSIS QOS MIB has. This is the place to describe what table
> >are populated under the docsIfMib when the
> >the modems are registering.
> >This way this issue can be re-discussed and whatever conculsion is
> >reached, can be document in the description of those
> >objects.
> >
> >Contributor - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco
> >
> >15) Change docsIfCmtsServiceTable to count packets for both upstream and
> >downstream flows.
> >One of the things that has long been an issue with the RF MIB is that
> >the docsIfCmtsServiceTable only counts
> >InOctets and InPackets (i.e. upstream packets only). If the reason for
> >keeping this table is to support DOCSIS
> >1.0 modems would it also make sense to add downstream packet counts to
> >this table, too? Many CMTS'es already
> >count this information and store it in a proprietary MIB. It would be
> >nice to standardize this as a requirement
> >so that NMS such as usage monitoring systems could (a) count on it
> >existing and (b) find it in a standard location.
> >
> >Contributor - Andrew Sundelin Stargus
> >
> >16) Add 4 objects to docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable
> >While writing DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB version 9, I find myself still thinking
> >about Minnie suggestion of having
> >docsIfCmtsServiceInPackets and docsIfCmtsServiceInOctets count for
> >DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0. Even though the QOS
> >MIB has pawned off this discussion, I have had some thoughts on the
> >subject.
> >(1) If these counters where used to count the DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0, than
> >this would the best place in all
> >of the mibs to
> >     get a quick summary of the upstream data received by a particular
> >modem, no matter the version.
> >(2) At the same time, The rest of the docsIfCmtsCmServiceTable might not
> >make sense for DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0
> >However the more I looked around at the different counters that existed
> >in all of MIB required by DOCSIS,
> >the more I kept looking for an overall counter on the CMTS to count data
> >packet received and transmitted
> >for a particular CM.
> >I would like to start a discussion on about adding 4 new object to the
> >docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable:
> >docsIfCmtsCmStatusInPackets
> >docsIfCmtsCmStatusInOctets
> >docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutPackets
> >docsIfCmtsCmStatusOutoctets
> >While I understand that these counts can be gathered by via numerous
> >objects on both the CMTS and CM
> >and then just appling simple math. However I want to query only one
> >agent and just get a quick summary
> >without have to determine which version of DOCSIS the modem is, which
> >will determine which mibs I look etc.
> >and objects I query.
> >
> >For example if I want query only one agent(i.e. the CMTS) and get the
> >number of transmitted and received
> >data for each CM, then
> >        (1) GET-NEXT the docsIfCmtsCmStatusRegMode to see what version of
> >DOCSIS this modem is operting
> >
> >        if 'docsis10(1)' then
> >                      (2) WALK the entire docsIfCmtsServiceTable for
> >ifIndex and SID that
> >                        have docsIfCmtsServiceNewCmStatusIndex that
> >matches the index for step (1).
> >
> >                      (3) Add the all the instances of
> >docsIfCmtsServiceInPacket for the
> >                        ifIndex and SIDs that match from step(2) to get
> >the total Received packets from a CM.
> >
> >                      NOTE: Not sure it is possible to get from a CMTS
> >agent from the Standard MIBs the number of
> >                          of packets transmitted to a single docsis 1.0
> >cable modem.
> >
> >        else if 'docsis11(2)' or 'docsis20()' then
> >                      (2) WALK the docsQosCmtsMacToSrvFlowTable all for
> >the instances of that contain the
> >                        same mac address.
> >                      (3) Then GET the docQosServiceFlowPkts using the
> >ifIndex and
> >                       service flow id from step(2). Add this to the
> >total of received or transmitted for this CM.
> >                          To determine the direction of the flow use the
> >same index and query the docsQosServiceFlowDirection.
> >This seems very complicated for something so simple. This is just a
> >suggestion of simple way the RF MIB v2 can correct the
> >mistakes of the past.
> >
> >Contributors - Will Murwin Motorola, Minnie Lu Cisco
> >
> >17) docsIfCmtsCmStatusTimingOffset - possibly change decription of
> >existing object or
> >add new object to reconcile unit differences between 1.1/2.0. Still
> >under discussion.
> >
> >Contributors - Victor Hou Juniper, Rich Woundy IPCDN/Comcast, Kirk
> >Friedman Correlant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >************************************
> >David Raftus
> >Terayon Canada Ltd
> >340 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 202
> >Ottawa Canada  K2K 3A2
> >
> >david.raftus@terayon.com
> >613.592.1052  ext 222
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Folks,

The ipcdn IGMP MIB for docsis systems' Internet-Draft is expired and was
last updated in 2002 with draft-ietf-ipcdn-igmp-mib-04.txt. At the
Vienna meeting, we requested WG input on this draft and announced our
intent to withdraw & stop the ipcdn IGMP mib. See IETF#57 meeting notes.
Stopping this work item was considered by the wg chairs and motivated
by:
   a) no activity on the draft & no volunteer to solve MIB doctor
      comments since August 14, 2002;
   b) inability to find operators interested in using this MIB
      mechanism to configure & monitor IGMP using a specific ipcdn
      IGMP MIB even though there is product support for some vendors;
   c) ipcdn Atlanta rule: no updates in more than 2 IETF meetings.
  =20
We have received additional feedback from cable/docsis operators
deploying multicast and they are not using the docsis igmp MIB to
configure or monitor multicast. In addition, we have received no input
from WG participants.=20

In conclusion, our decision is to terminate this work item as of August
28, 2003. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns. We expect
no further notes on this matter.

-- Rich Woundy and Jean-Francois Mule, IPCDN co-chairs

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Sorry about that Minnie,

	I was about to send an email to you addressing this topic, and got pulled into a meeting.
	The description from the SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 should be clarified, this is not meant for 
	Billing but rather is used for Admission Control for QOS which is used to assume the worst case per 
	packet overhead for minimum size packet. Customers should not be charged for the extra bytes added in 
	the token bucket algorithm so that the packet size is equal to the assumed minimum reserved rate packet 
	size.

	We recommending changing the Spec SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5, so that this does not sound as if
	the added bytes are billable.

Thanks,
Will 
	

-----Original Message-----
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:10 PM
To: Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: 'Margo Dolas'; Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; DOCSIS OSS
Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William,

   Thanks for letting me review the description.  I did not see my comments 
below in the docsQosServiceFlowOctets.

>       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
>SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
>into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
>
>       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
>specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
>specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
>Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
>ultimately be used for billing."
>
>      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
>RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
>bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

docsQosServiceFlowOctets.
     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
                       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets 
counted
                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
                     Note that this counts the octets after payload header
                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
                       been applied.

                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
                         indexes this object."

  Thanks a lot !
  Minnie

At 02:09 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
>I would like to thank all of you that have commented on the descriptions 
>of the  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable objects. For those of you who have 
>made comments please responded back if your are satisfied with the 
>descriptions of these objects.
>
>Here is the revised proposed text:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>                       number of Packet Data PDUs forwarded to this
>                     service flow. For CMTS incoming upstream service flows,
>                     this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs
>                         actually received on the service flow identified 
> by the SID
>                         for which the packet was scheduled.
>                     CMs not classifying downstream packets
>                         may report this object's value as 0 for 
> downstream service
>                     flows. This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                         Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only by the instance of this 
> object
>                         that is associated with the primary service flow.
>
>                         Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                         MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                         service flow should be counted by the instance of 
> this
>                         object that is associated with the primary 
> service flow.
>
>                         This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>                       and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets 
> counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                       been applied.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, this object
>                       counts the number of packets received
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index.
>                         The service flow is identified by the SID for 
> which the
>                         packet was scheduled.
>
>                         On a CM, only this object's instance for the primary
>                         downstream service flow count packets received 
> with an
>                         unknown payload header suppression index. All other
>                         downstream service flows on CM report this 
> objects value
>                         as 0.
>
>                         All outgoing service flows report this object's 
> value as 0.
>
>                       This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the 
> number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
>                            enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
>                          (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires such
>                          packets to be dropped.
>
>                     Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
>                       counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                       service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming 
> service
>                     flows.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in order
>                       to maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>                     object will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>                     because the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not
>                     apply. This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>
>Thanks,
>Will
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Margo Dolas [mailto:mdolas@broadcom.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:13 PM
>To: Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
>Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>William,
>
>I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
>discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
>something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
>Greg or Minnie's suggested text?
>
>With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
>PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
>should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
>implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
>is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
>data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
>counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
>these lines?
>
>Regards,
>Margo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
>Pollak, Lucy
>Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
>To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
>Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Hi, William.
>I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>...
>                     For CMTS incoming upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
>flow."
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>...
>               "The number of packets received on the service flow
>               with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
>flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>               an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
>DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
>Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
>that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
>may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
>packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
>scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
>with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
>About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
>to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
>identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
>traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
>unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
>will be acceptable.
>Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
>Thanks.
>Lucy
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
>To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
>(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Hi, William and Greg,
>
>Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
>   I have some comments/questions.
>
>1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
>   I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
>time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
>understand why the word "classified" is needed.
>
>    If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
>DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
>flow ?
>
>2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
>     You have already had
>       "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>        header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
>       in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "
>
>       Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
>       " CMs not classifying to a
>          downstream service flow may report this object's
>           value as 0 for downstream service flows."
>
>       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
>SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
>into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
>
>       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
>specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
>specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
>Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
>ultimately be used for billing."
>
>      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
>RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
>bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.
>
>      Thanks a lot !
>     Minnie
>
>
>
>At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
> >Hi William,
> >
> >Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
> >sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
> >
> >                     For outgoing service flows,
> >                     this object counts the number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> >                     maximum rate policing function.
> >
> >What would make more sense to me is the following:
> >
> >                     For outgoing service flows,
> >                     this object counts the number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
> >                     service flow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
> >description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
> >the same thing:
> >
> >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                 size should be counted only on the primary service
> >                 flow's counters.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
> >
> >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                 size should be counted only by the instance of
> >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
> >                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
> >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
> >
> >                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
> >                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
> >                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
> >                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
> >                 of this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
> >draft-09.
> >
> >-Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
> >To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
> >IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
> >Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
> >Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
> >docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> >
> >
> >Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
> >for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
> >I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
> >submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
> >Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
> >and you now approve of these descriptions.
> >I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
> >your comments as soon as I return:
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
> >number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> >                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
> >upstream service
> >                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
> >PDUs received with
> >                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
> >service flow. CMs not classifying
> >                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
> >0 for downstream service flows.
> >                 This object does not count MAC-specific
> >                     management messages.
> >
> >                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                     size should be counted only on the primary service
> >                     flow's counters.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> >service flow.
> >
> >                     This object does include packets counted by
> >                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
> >include
> >                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
> >
> >                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
> >                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
> >counted
> >                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
> >                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
> >header
> >                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
> >                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
> >                     downstream service flow may report this object's
> >                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
> >
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
> >                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
> >a service flow
> >                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
> >packet or
> >                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
> >number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow dropped due to:
> >                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
> >while
> >                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
> >Rate; or
> >                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
> >                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
> >                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
> >such
> >                                packets to be dropped.
> >
> >                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
> >must be
> >                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
> >                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
> >service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
> >order to
> >                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
> >object
> >                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
> >because the
> >                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
> >                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
> >
> >______________________________
> >William Murwin
> >Broadband Communications Sector
> >Motorola Inc.
> >Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
> >Tel: (508) 851-8385
> >
> >
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To: Murwin William-LWM008 <W.Murwin@motorola.com>
From: Minnie Lu <milu@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
  the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
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Hi, William,

   Thanks for letting me review the description.  I did not see my comments 
below in the docsQosServiceFlowOctets.

>       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
>SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
>into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
>
>       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
>specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
>specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
>Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
>ultimately be used for billing."
>
>      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
>RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
>bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

docsQosServiceFlowOctets.
     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
                       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets 
counted
                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
                     Note that this counts the octets after payload header
                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
                       been applied.

                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
                         indexes this object."

  Thanks a lot !
  Minnie

At 02:09 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
>I would like to thank all of you that have commented on the descriptions 
>of the  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable objects. For those of you who have 
>made comments please responded back if your are satisfied with the 
>descriptions of these objects.
>
>Here is the revised proposed text:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>                       number of Packet Data PDUs forwarded to this
>                     service flow. For CMTS incoming upstream service flows,
>                     this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs
>                         actually received on the service flow identified 
> by the SID
>                         for which the packet was scheduled.
>                     CMs not classifying downstream packets
>                         may report this object's value as 0 for 
> downstream service
>                     flows. This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                         Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only by the instance of this 
> object
>                         that is associated with the primary service flow.
>
>                         Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                         MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                         service flow should be counted by the instance of 
> this
>                         object that is associated with the primary 
> service flow.
>
>                         This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>                       and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets 
> counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                       been applied.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, this object
>                       counts the number of packets received
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index.
>                         The service flow is identified by the SID for 
> which the
>                         packet was scheduled.
>
>                         On a CM, only this object's instance for the primary
>                         downstream service flow count packets received 
> with an
>                         unknown payload header suppression index. All other
>                         downstream service flows on CM report this 
> objects value
>                         as 0.
>
>                         All outgoing service flows report this object's 
> value as 0.
>
>                       This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the 
> number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
>                            enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
>                          (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires such
>                          packets to be dropped.
>
>                     Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
>                       counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                       service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming 
> service
>                     flows.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in order
>                       to maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>                     object will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>                     because the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not
>                     apply. This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                         indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>
>Thanks,
>Will
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Margo Dolas [mailto:mdolas@broadcom.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:13 PM
>To: Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
>Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>William,
>
>I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
>discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
>something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
>Greg or Minnie's suggested text?
>
>With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
>PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
>should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
>implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
>is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
>data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
>counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
>these lines?
>
>Regards,
>Margo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
>Pollak, Lucy
>Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
>To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
>Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Hi, William.
>I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>...
>                     For CMTS incoming upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
>flow."
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>...
>               "The number of packets received on the service flow
>               with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
>flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>               an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
>DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
>Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
>that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
>may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
>packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
>scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
>with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
>About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
>to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
>identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
>traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
>unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
>will be acceptable.
>Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
>Thanks.
>Lucy
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
>To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
>(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Hi, William and Greg,
>
>Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
>   I have some comments/questions.
>
>1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
>   I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
>time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
>understand why the word "classified" is needed.
>
>    If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
>DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
>flow ?
>
>2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
>     You have already had
>       "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>        header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
>       in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "
>
>       Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
>       " CMs not classifying to a
>          downstream service flow may report this object's
>           value as 0 for downstream service flows."
>
>       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
>SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
>into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
>
>       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
>specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
>specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
>Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
>ultimately be used for billing."
>
>      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
>RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
>bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.
>
>      Thanks a lot !
>     Minnie
>
>
>
>At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
> >Hi William,
> >
> >Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
> >sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
> >
> >                     For outgoing service flows,
> >                     this object counts the number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> >                     maximum rate policing function.
> >
> >What would make more sense to me is the following:
> >
> >                     For outgoing service flows,
> >                     this object counts the number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
> >                     service flow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
> >description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
> >the same thing:
> >
> >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                 size should be counted only on the primary service
> >                 flow's counters.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
> >
> >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                 size should be counted only by the instance of
> >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
> >                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
> >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
> >
> >                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
> >                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
> >                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
> >                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
> >                 of this object that is associated with the primary
> >                 service flow.
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
> >draft-09.
> >
> >-Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
> >To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
> >IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
> >Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
> >Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
> >docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> >
> >
> >Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
> >for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
> >I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
> >submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
> >Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
> >and you now approve of these descriptions.
> >I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
> >your comments as soon as I return:
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
> >number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> >                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
> >upstream service
> >                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
> >PDUs received with
> >                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
> >service flow. CMs not classifying
> >                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
> >0 for downstream service flows.
> >                 This object does not count MAC-specific
> >                     management messages.
> >
> >                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                     size should be counted only on the primary service
> >                     flow's counters.
> >
> >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> >service flow.
> >
> >                     This object does include packets counted by
> >                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
> >include
> >                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
> >
> >                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
> >                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
> >counted
> >                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
> >                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
> >header
> >                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
> >                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
> >                     downstream service flow may report this object's
> >                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
> >
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
> >                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
> >a service flow
> >                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
> >packet or
> >                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
> >number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow dropped due to:
> >                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
> >while
> >                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
> >Rate; or
> >                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
> >                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
> >                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
> >such
> >                                packets to be dropped.
> >
> >                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
> >must be
> >                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
> >                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
> >service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
> >order to
> >                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
> >object
> >                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
> >because the
> >                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
> >                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                     indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
> >
> >______________________________
> >William Murwin
> >Broadband Communications Sector
> >Motorola Inc.
> >Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
> >Tel: (508) 851-8385
> >
> >
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To: "'Margo Dolas'" <mdolas@broadcom.com>,
        "Pollak, Lucy"
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Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
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I would like to thank all of you that have commented on the descriptions of the  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable objects. For those of you who have made comments please responded back if your are satisfied with the descriptions of these objects.

Here is the revised proposed text:

docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
	              number of Packet Data PDUs forwarded to this 
                    service flow. For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, 
                    this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs 
		        actually received on the service flow identified by the SID
		        for which the packet was scheduled.
                    CMs not classifying downstream packets
		        may report this object's value as 0 for downstream service 
                    flows. This object does not count MAC-specific
                    management messages.
		
		        Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                    primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant 
                    size should be counted only by the instance of this object
		        that is associated with the primary service flow.
	            
		        Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non 
		        MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
		        service flow should be counted by the instance of this 
		        object that is associated with the primary service flow.

		        This object does include packets counted by 
                    docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not include
                    packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts 
	              and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }

docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC 
	              header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted 
                    in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. 
                    Note that this counts the octets after payload header
                    suppression and before payload header expansion has 
	              been applied. 

                    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }


docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, this object
	              counts the number of packets received 
                    with an unknown payload header suppression index.
		        The service flow is identified by the SID for which the 
		        packet was scheduled. 
		    
		        On a CM, only this object's instance for the primary 
		        downstream service flow count packets received with an 
		        unknown payload header suppression index. All other 
		        downstream service flows on CM report this objects value 
		        as 0. 

		        All outgoing service flows report this object's value as 0.

	              This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the number 
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
                    service flow dropped due to:
	               (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
	                   enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
		         (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the 
	                   Unsolicited Grant Size with a 
	                   Request/Transmission policy that requires such 
                         packets to be dropped.
	  
                    Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
	              counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this 
	              service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming service
                    flows.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in order
	              to maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This 
                    object will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
                    because the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not 
                    apply. This object is 0 for incoming service flows.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."	
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }


Thanks,
Will

-----Original Message-----
From: Margo Dolas [mailto:mdolas@broadcom.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:13 PM
To: Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


William,

I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
Greg or Minnie's suggested text?

With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
these lines?

Regards,
Margo

-----Original Message-----
From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
Pollak, Lucy
Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William.
I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
...
                    For CMTS incoming upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
flow."

docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
...
              "The number of packets received on the service flow
              with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
packet or
              an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
will be acceptable.
Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
Thanks.
Lucy



-----Original Message-----
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William and Greg,

Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
  I have some comments/questions.

1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
  I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
understand why the word "classified" is needed.

   If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
flow ?

2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
    You have already had
      "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "

      Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
      " CMs not classifying to a
         downstream service flow may report this object's
          value as 0 for downstream service flows."

      By the way, would you please take the description in  the
SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.

      "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
ultimately be used for billing."

     This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

     Thanks a lot !
    Minnie



At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
>sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function.
>
>What would make more sense to me is the following:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
>                     service flow.
>
>
>
>
>Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
>description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
>the same thing:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only on the primary service
>                 flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>                 service flow.
>
>Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
>
>                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
>                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
>                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
>                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
>                 of this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
>draft-09.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
>IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
>Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
>docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
>for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
>I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
>submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
>Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
>and you now approve of these descriptions.
>I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
>your comments as soon as I return:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
>upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
>service flow. CMs not classifying
>                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
>0 for downstream service flows.
>                 This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only on the primary service
>                     flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>service flow.
>
>                     This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
>include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>
>                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
>header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
>                     downstream service flow may report this object's
>                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
>a service flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
>while
>                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
>Rate; or
>                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
>such
>                                packets to be dropped.
>
>                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
>must be
>                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
>service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
>order to
>                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>object
>                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>because the
>                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
>                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>______________________________
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>Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
>Tel: (508) 851-8385
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Hi, William,

   Thanks a lot for your clarification.  So the MIB octets count is the 
real bytes.  Anyone would help to change the RFI spec, so the RFI and OSS 
are consistent ?

   Thanks a lot !
   Minnie

At 04:08 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
>Sorry about that Minnie,
>
>         I was about to send an email to you addressing this topic, and 
> got pulled into a meeting.
>         The description from the SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 should 
> be clarified, this is not meant for
>         Billing but rather is used for Admission Control for QOS which is 
> used to assume the worst case per
>         packet overhead for minimum size packet. Customers should not be 
> charged for the extra bytes added in
>         the token bucket algorithm so that the packet size is equal to 
> the assumed minimum reserved rate packet
>         size.
>
>         We recommending changing the Spec SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 
> C.2.2.5.5, so that this does not sound as if
>         the added bytes are billable.
>
>Thanks,
>Will
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:10 PM
>To: Murwin William-LWM008
>Cc: 'Margo Dolas'; Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; DOCSIS OSS
>Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
>the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Hi, William,
>
>    Thanks for letting me review the description.  I did not see my comments
>below in the docsQosServiceFlowOctets.
>
> >       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
> >SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
> >into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
> >
> >       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
> >specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
> >specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
> >Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
> >ultimately be used for billing."
> >
> >      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
> >RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
> >bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets.
>      DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                        header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                      Note that this counts the octets after payload header
>                      suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                        been applied.
>
>                      This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                        ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                          indexes this object."
>
>   Thanks a lot !
>   Minnie
>
>At 02:09 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, Murwin William-LWM008 wrote:
> >I would like to thank all of you that have commented on the descriptions
> >of the  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable objects. For those of you who have
> >made comments please responded back if your are satisfied with the
> >descriptions of these objects.
> >
> >Here is the revised proposed text:
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
> >                       number of Packet Data PDUs forwarded to this
> >                     service flow. For CMTS incoming upstream service flows,
> >                     this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs
> >                         actually received on the service flow identified
> > by the SID
> >                         for which the packet was scheduled.
> >                     CMs not classifying downstream packets
> >                         may report this object's value as 0 for
> > downstream service
> >                     flows. This object does not count MAC-specific
> >                     management messages.
> >
> >                         Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> >                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> >                     size should be counted only by the instance of this
> > object
> >                         that is associated with the primary service flow.
> >
> >                         Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> >                         MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
> >                         service flow should be counted by the instance of
> > this
> >                         object that is associated with the primary
> > service flow.
> >
> >                         This object does include packets counted by
> >                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not 
> include
> >                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
> >                       and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
> >
> >                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                         indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
> >                       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
> > counted
> >                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
> >                     Note that this counts the octets after payload header
> >                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
> >                       been applied.
> >
> >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                         indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
> >
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, this object
> >                       counts the number of packets received
> >                     with an unknown payload header suppression index.
> >                         The service flow is identified by the SID for
> > which the
> >                         packet was scheduled.
> >
> >                         On a CM, only this object's instance for the 
> primary
> >                         downstream service flow count packets received
> > with an
> >                         unknown payload header suppression index. All other
> >                         downstream service flows on CM report this
> > objects value
> >                         as 0.
> >
> >                         All outgoing service flows report this object's
> > value as 0.
> >
> >                       This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                         indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
> > number
> >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> >                     service flow dropped due to:
> >                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
> >                            enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
> >                          (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
> >                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
> >                            Request/Transmission policy that requires such
> >                          packets to be dropped.
> >
> >                     Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
> >                       counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
> >                       service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
> > service
> >                     flows.
> >
> >                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                         indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in 
> order
> >                       to maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
> >                     object will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
> >                     because the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not
> >                     apply. This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
> >
> >                         This counter's last discontinuity is the
> >                       ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> >                         indexes this object."
> >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Will
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Margo Dolas [mailto:mdolas@broadcom.com]
> >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:13 PM
> >To: Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
> >Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
> >Patrick (E-mail)
> >Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
> >the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> >
> >
> >William,
> >
> >I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
> >discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
> >something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
> >Greg or Minnie's suggested text?
> >
> >With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
> >PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
> >should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
> >implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
> >is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
> >data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
> >counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
> >these lines?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Margo
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> >Pollak, Lucy
> >Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
> >To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
> >Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
> >Patrick (E-mail)
> >Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
> >the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> >
> >
> >Hi, William.
> >I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> >...
> >                     For CMTS incoming upstream service
> >                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
> >PDUs received with
> >                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
> >flow."
> >
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
> >...
> >               "The number of packets received on the service flow
> >               with an unknown payload header suppression index for a 
> service
> >flow
> >                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
> >packet or
> >               an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
> >
> >The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
> >DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
> >Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
> >that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
> >may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
> >packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
> >scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
> >with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
> >About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
> >to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
> >identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
> >traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
> >docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
> >unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
> >docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
> >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
> >will be acceptable.
> >Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
> >Thanks.
> >Lucy
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
> >To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
> >Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
> >(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
> >Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
> >the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> >
> >
> >Hi, William and Greg,
> >
> >Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
> >   I have some comments/questions.
> >
> >1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
> >   I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
> >time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
> >understand why the word "classified" is needed.
> >
> >    If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
> >DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
> >flow ?
> >
> >2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
> >     You have already had
> >       "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
> >        header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
> >       in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "
> >
> >       Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
> >       " CMs not classifying to a
> >          downstream service flow may report this object's
> >           value as 0 for downstream service flows."
> >
> >       By the way, would you please take the description in  the
> >SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
> >into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.
> >
> >       "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
> >specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
> >specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
> >Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
> >ultimately be used for billing."
> >
> >      This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
> >RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
> >bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.
> >
> >      Thanks a lot !
> >     Minnie
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
> > >Hi William,
> > >
> > >Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
> > >sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
> > >
> > >                     For outgoing service flows,
> > >                     this object counts the number
> > >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> > >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> > >                     maximum rate policing function.
> > >
> > >What would make more sense to me is the following:
> > >
> > >                     For outgoing service flows,
> > >                     this object counts the number
> > >                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
> > >                     service flow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
> > >description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
> > >the same thing:
> > >
> > >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> > >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> > >                 size should be counted only on the primary service
> > >                 flow's counters.
> > >
> > >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> > >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> > >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> > >                 service flow.
> > >
> > >Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
> > >
> > >                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> > >                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> > >                 size should be counted only by the instance of
> > >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> > >                 service flow.
> > >
> > >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> > >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
> > >                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
> > >                 this object that is associated with the primary
> > >                 service flow.
> > >
> > >Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
> > >
> > >                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
> > >                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
> > >                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
> > >                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
> > >                 of this object that is associated with the primary
> > >                 service flow.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
> > >draft-09.
> > >
> > >-Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
> > >To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
> > >IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
> > >Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
> > >Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
> > >docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
> > >
> > >
> > >Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
> > >for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
> > >I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
> > >submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
> > >Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
> > >and you now approve of these descriptions.
> > >I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
> > >your comments as soon as I return:
> > >
> > >docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> > >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> > >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> > >     STATUS          current
> > >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
> > >number
> > >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> > >                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
> > >                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
> > >upstream service
> > >                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
> > >PDUs received with
> > >                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
> > >service flow. CMs not classifying
> > >                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
> > >0 for downstream service flows.
> > >                 This object does not count MAC-specific
> > >                     management messages.
> > >
> > >                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
> > >                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
> > >                     size should be counted only on the primary service
> > >                     flow's counters.
> > >
> > >                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
> > >                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
> > >                     service flow should increment this object for that
> > >service flow.
> > >
> > >                     This object does include packets counted by
> > >                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
> > >include
> > >                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
> > >
> > >                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
> > >
> > >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> > >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> > >                     indexes this object."
> > >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
> > >
> > >docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
> > >     SYNTAX          Counter64
> > >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> > >     STATUS          current
> > >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
> > >                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
> > >counted
> > >                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
> > >                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
> > >header
> > >                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
> > >                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
> > >                     downstream service flow may report this object's
> > >                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
> > >
> > >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> > >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> > >                     indexes this object."
> > >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
> > >
> > >
> > >docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
> > >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> > >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> > >     STATUS          current
> > >     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
> > >                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
> > >a service flow
> > >                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
> > >packet or
> > >                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
> > >
> > >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> > >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> > >                     indexes this object."
> > >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
> > >
> > >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> > >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> > >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> > >     STATUS          current
> > >     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
> > >number
> > >                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
> > >                     service flow dropped due to:
> > >                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
> > >while
> > >                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
> > >Rate; or
> > >                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
> > >                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
> > >                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
> > >such
> > >                                packets to be dropped.
> > >
> > >                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
> > >must be
> > >                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
> > >                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
> > >service flows.
> > >
> > >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> > >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> > >                     indexes this object."
> > >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
> > >
> > >docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
> > >     SYNTAX          Counter32
> > >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> > >     STATUS          current
> > >     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
> > >order to
> > >                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
> > >object
> > >                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
> > >because the
> > >                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
> > >                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
> > >
> > >                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
> > >                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
> > >                     indexes this object."
> > >     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
> > >
> > >______________________________
> > >William Murwin
> > >Broadband Communications Sector
> > >Motorola Inc.
> > >Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
> > >Tel: (508) 851-8385
> > >
> > >
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FYI about IPCDN WG rechartering.

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:41 AM
Cc: Woundy, Richard; jf.mule@cablelabs.com
Subject: WG Action: RECHARTER: IP over Cable Data Network (ipcdn)


The IP over Cable Data Network (ipcdn) working group in the
Operations and Management Area of the IETF has been rechartered.
For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or
the working group Chairs.

IP over Cable Data Network (ipcdn)
----------------------------------
Current Status: Active Working Group

Chairs:
     Richard Woundy <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
     Jean-Francois Mule <jf.mule@cablelabs.com>

 Operations and Management Area Director(s):
     Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

 Operations and Management Area Advisor:
     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen@lucent.com>

 Mailing Lists:
     General Discussion: ipcdn@ietf.org
     To Subscribe: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn
     Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ipcdn

 Description of Working Group: 

     The IETF IPCDN Working Group develops and standardizes MIBs
     for IP-capable data-over-cable systems, for example cable
     modems, multimedia terminal adapters and associated
     cable-data equipment in a cable headend. 
     These MIBs cover not only cable data interfaces, but also
     management of cable-data equipment and systems. 

     The WG mailing list may be used discussion of Internet-related
     issues in data-over-cable equipment and systems. In the event
     of a particular new Internet technology issue arising in the
     cable-data context, the WG will identify whether that is best
     handled within the IETF or is best handled by another standards
     body. In the event that new IETF MIB work, the WG chairs can
     discuss additional WG work items with the AD. Such additions
     will have to go through normal re-charter process.
     If non-MIB work gets identified, such items are not normal
     work items for this IPCDN-MIB WG and must go through normal
     IETF new WG chartering process.

     Standardization of MIBs for DOCSIS, PacketCable and CableHome
     systems are explicitly within the scope of the IPCDN Working
     Group.

     The IPCDN WG will also keep informed on what other groups in
     the industry are doing as it relates to the efforts of this
     working group.

     The WG will align its specifications with IPv6 and SNMP STD.

 Related groups: 

     CableLabs (http://www.cablelabs.com/) is structured into projects.
     In its Cable Modem/DOCSIS project, CableLabs has produced three
     generations of data over cable specifications: DOCSIS 1.0,
     DOCSIS 1.1, and DOCSIS 2.0. 
     In its PacketCable project, CableLabs has produced one generation
     of interface specifications for delivering real-time multimedia
     services over DOCSIS (http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/).
     Internationally, IPCablecom is the global name associated
     with the extensions & global standardization of PacketCable
     in ETSI & ITU-T SG9.
     In its CableHome project, CableLabs has produced one generation
     of interface specifications for extending manageability for
     customer care to the residential gateway or home router device
     connected to the Internet through a DOCSIS-compliant cable modem
     (http://www.cablelabs.com/projects/cablehome/).

     DOCSIS 1.0 includes specifications for a bidirectional
     data-over-cable interface (RFI, or Radio Frequency Interface)
     and a data privacy service (BPI, or Baseline Privacy Interface).
     The key devices in a DOCSIS network are the Cable Modem (CM, the
     device at the subscriber premise) and the Cable Modem Termination
     System (CMTS, the device at the cable headend). For DOCSIS 1.0
     systems, the IPCDN WG has published the Cable Device MIB
     (RFC 2669), the RF Interface MIB (RFC 2670), and the Baseline
     Privacy MIB (RFC 3083).

     DOCSIS 1.1 extends the DOCSIS 1.0 specifications to support
     better quality of service parameters (RFIv1.1), to enable
     operation in European cable networks (EuroDOCSIS), and to
     authenticate modems and firmware images (BPI+). The IPCDN WG
     will update the Cable Device and Radio Frequency MIBs for
     DOCSIS 1.1, and repair flaws discovered in operational use.
     Other IPCDN WG documents will address the operational and
     management issues for new DOCSIS 1.1 functional components
     (e.g. BPI+), for subscriber device management, and for
     uniform event notification.


     DOCSIS 2.0 enhances the DOCSIS 1.1 specifications at the
     physical layer, in particular to support two new physical
     layer encodings: S-CDMA and A-TDMA. The IPCDN WG will update
     the Radio Frequency MIB for DOCSIS 2.0.

     PacketCable 1.0 is built on top of the DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem 
     infrastructure and it includes a suite of interface
     specifications covering multimedia terminal adapter (MTA)
     device provisioning, voice over IP session signaling, QoS
     signaling based on IETF standards. The key systems in a
     PacketCable network are the multimedia terminal adapter (MTA),
     a Call Management Server (CMS), a PacketCable-compliant 
     DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS, Media Gateway Controllers, Media Gateways
     along with back-office systems. In ITU-T SG-9 and ETSI AT,
     IPCableCom has standardized PacketCable to create a set of
     international standards.

     CableHome 1.0 is a set of specifications for residential
     gateway or home router functionality standardizing methods
     for implementing address acquisition, device configuration
     and management, network address translation, event reporting,
     remote connectivity diagnostics, secure software download,
     firewall policy file download, firewall monitoring,
     management parameter access control and other residential
     gateway functionality. By standardizing these features,
     CableHome 1.0 specifications enable cable operators to
     deliver high-value, managed broadband services to their
     high-speed data service subscribers, through a DOCSIS cable
     modem.

 Work items:

     The IPCDN WG will address issues related to network management,
     especially as they concern HFC access networks. It is expected
     that other services (i.e. RSVP, IPSEC, etc.) will operate
     mostly unmodified.

     The specific work items include

     -- DOCSIS,
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - subscriber device management on a DOCSIS 1.1 CMTS,
               - managing the quality of service parameters for a
                   DOCSIS 1.1 device,
               - managing the Baseline Privacy Plus system for a
                   DOCSIS 1.1 device,
               - uniform event notification on a DOCSIS 1.1 device,
           - revise MIB documents for:
               - DOCSIS 1.0 RF Interface MIB to support EuroDOCSIS
                   parameters and DOCSIS 2.0 physical layer management,
               - the DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Device MIBs to address SNMPv3
                   and IPv6 compliance and interoperability issues,

     -- IPCablecom & PacketCable
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - managing the device parameters of
                   PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
               - managing the signaling parameters of 
                   PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA devices,
               - managing events for PacketCable/IPCablecom systems,
  -- CableHome
           - publish MIB documents for:
               - managing attributes of a residential gateway or 
                   home router device,
               - managing private address-to-public address mappings
                   for a residential gateway or home router device,
               - managing the address lease acquistion client and the
                   address lease server functionality of a residential
                   gateway or home router device,
               - managing diagnostic utilities used to remotely test
                   the connectivity between a residential gateway and
                   privately-addressed LAN hosts,
               - managing firewall attributes, monitoring firewall
                   attacks, and managing security certificates in a
                   residential gateway or home router device,
               - managing QoS configuration in a residential
                   gateway or home router device.

Goals and Milestones:

 Done Post final I-D on Baseline Privacy MIB; Last call 

 Done Post I-Ds revising RF and CM MIBs to support DOCSIS1.1
                 and for compliance with SNMPv3 and IPv6 

 Done Submit Baseline Privacy MIB to IESG for publication as
                 a Standards Track RFC 

 Aug 03 Submit DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS 1.1 QoS MIB to IESG for consideration as a
                 Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS BPI+ MIB to IESG for consideration as a
                 Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit updated DOCSIS RF MIB to IESG for consideration
                 as a Standards Track RFC (Proposed Standard)

 Sep 03 Submit updated DOCSIS Cable Device MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit DOCSIS Event Notification MIB to IESG for
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Sep 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA device MIB to IESG
                 for consideration as a Standards Track RFC
                 
 Sep 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA signaling MIB to IESG
                 for consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Nov 03 Submit PacketCable/IPCableCom MTA event MIB to IESG for 
                 consideration as a Standards Track RFC

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing residential gateway or 
                 home router device to IESG for consideration as 
                 Standards Track RFC,
 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for MIB for managing private 
                 address-to-public address mappings for a residential 
                 gateway or home router device to IESG for consideration
                 as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing the address lease
                 acquistion client and the address lease server
                 functionality of a residential gateway or home router
                 device to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing diagnostic utilities
                 used to remotely test the connectivity between a
residential
                 gateway and privately-addressed LAN hosts to IESG for
                 consideration as Standards Track RFC,

 Nov 03 Submit Cablehome MIB for managing firewall attributes, 
                 monitoring firewall attacks, and managing security
                 certificates in a residential gateway or home router device
                 to IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFC,

 Feb 04 Revaluate charter and milestones or conclude wg.








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