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Subject: [ipcdn] AD Review: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt
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Too late for Last Call I suspect, but this is what I still find
with SMICng, strict checking:
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (415,15) Item "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (416,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (417,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (418,15) Item "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (419,15) Item "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (420,15) Item "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (421,15) Item "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (424,11) Item "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (430,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (437,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (443,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (449,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (455,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (461,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (467,11) Item "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (473,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (485,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (492,11) Item "diffServActionStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (498,11) Item "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (504,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
  E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (510,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" should be IMPORTed

The draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02.txt document says about this,
sect 4.4. pages 10 and 11):
   ... snip ...
   otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
   statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be listed in the
   IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done consistently.

So it is acceptable the way you have done it, but if you do add them it does
make the above errors go away. I thought we had discussed this before...
but maybe it was some other MIB where I did discuss it.

Additional comments/questions:
- I see that references are made to RFC2669 and 2670.
  But at the same time this WG is working on replacements for those
  RFCs, so they will soon be obsoleted. Is it not better to reference
  the replacement documents?
- For objects that are not in a table, like docsSubMgtCpeMaxIpDefault,
  can you add a few words to the DESCRIPTION clause  to describe what
  the expected persistency behaviour is?
- I see:
   docsSubMgtCpeIpAddr OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX      InetAddress
       MAX-ACCESS  read-only
       STATUS      current
       DESCRIPTION
           "The IP address either set from provisioning or learned via
       address gleaning or other forwarding means. See
       docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex for the mechanism."
  According to RFc3291, you MUST specify which InetAddressType opbject
  is used to specify the type. So something aka:
       DESCRIPTION
           "The Internet address either set from provisioning or learned
       via address gleaning or other forwarding means. See
       docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex for the mechanism.

       The type of this address is determined by the value of the
       docsSubMgtCpeIpAddressType object."
- In DESCRIPTION clause of: docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream
  Change:        zero use default classification)
  Into:          zero (use default classification)
- In DESCRIPTION of: docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable
   s/OIDs/object definitions/ 
   and is it a collection? There is only an index object
- IN DESCRIPTION of: docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex
    "Provides an OID to which.. 
  It defines an object, and the diffServClfrElementSpecific
  can point to an instance in this table (it does use the OID
  that identifies the instance). 
  Also w.r.t. to the range of this object...
  Is the entry with index zero the (use default classification)?
  or is it not intended to exist? From teh way I read things now,
  there is no need for value 0 in this index object, so better
  not include it in the range I would say.
- docsSubMgtBasicCompliance
  I am not sure were exactly we were with our discussion to the
  wording that only IPv4 needs to be supported. If the
  current DOCSIS only supports IPv4, then just doing IPv4 in
  MODULE-COMPLIANCE is probably OK. Maybe rename it to 
  docsSubMgtBasicIPv4Compliance?  It certainly would be good to
  add something about that, either in the DESCRIPTION clause of
  the module compliance itself, or in the InetAddressType and
  InetAddress DESCRIPTION clauses in the compliance statement.
  Let me also add Juergen Schoenwaelders comment (not sure he posted
  it to this WG list):
     Note that scoped link-local addresses are not captured in 
     the compliance statement on devices that potentially can
     connect multiple links if you restrict the SYNTAX to
     { ipv4(1) } or { ipv4(1), ipv6(2) }. 
     So people should think twice whether it is not good to
     include ipv4z(3) and ipv6z(4) as well so that proper
     support for link-local addresses is required on devices
     which connect multiple links where conflicts can appear.
- I am a little surprised by the definitions that DiffServTables
  only need nonVolatile support. Seems more difficult than volatile,
  so would you not at least add that?
  I do not believe we have such sort of refinements for StorageType
  in any MIB module yet. Can you explain what your thinking is/was?
- Can you add Mike Heard to the Acknowledgement section? I think
  he has contributed quitea bit in some of these discussions.
- I think you need to add RFC3290 as a NORMATIVE reference.
  You are IMPORTing from that document

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woundy, Richard [mailto:Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com]
> Sent: maandag 4 augustus 2003 20:58
> To: IPCDN WG (E-mail)
> Cc: 'Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com'; Bert Wijnen (E-mail)
> Subject: WGLC of the DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I would like to start the working group last call for the 
> DOCSIS Subscriber
> Management MIB,
> <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscrib
> er-mib-12.txt>
> . The last call is scheduled to end on August 18th.
> 
> Please send comments (both positive and negative) to the 
> ipcdn@ietf.org
> mailing list reflector.
> 
> -- Richard Woundy and Jean-Francois Mule, IPCDN Co-Chairs
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woundy, Richard 
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: 'Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com'
> Cc: ipcdn@ietf.org; bwijnen@lucent.org
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB
> 
> 
> I posted the draft on the IPCDN website,
> <http://www.ipcdn.org/drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt>.
> 
> As soon as it is also posted on the IETF website, we will 
> start a two-week
> WG last call...
> 
> -- Rich
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com [mailto:Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: ipcdn@ietf.org
> Cc: bwijnen@lucent.org
> Subject: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, at Jean-Francois' request,  I went ahead and 
> submitted the -12
> draft of the Docsis Subscriber Management MIB. It should be 
> appearing soon
> through the usual IETF publication process, as well as on the 
> ipcdn web
> site.
> 
> It is still lacking final text on the IPv4/IPv6 question, 
> although recent
> emails suggest that we are converging on wording. I'll 
> republish with that
> wording as soon as we've reached consensus.
> 
> The new draft also attempts to address a question from Kirk Friedman
> regarding 'interface' usage.
> 
> Please review and get comments to me and to the WG mailing list.
> 
> - Wilson Sawyer
> 
> 
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Bert - thank you for the review. Responses interspersed.
WG members: I need help with:
     (1) ipv4z addresses (see discussion about scoped link-local addresses)
     (2) StorageType (nonVolatile as minimum requirement, or ?)
Rich & Jean-Francois: need help with RFC2669/2670 status

Thanks
Wilson

"Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:

> Too late for Last Call I suspect, but this is what I still find
> with SMICng, strict checking:
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (415,15) Item "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (416,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (417,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (418,15) Item "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (419,15) Item "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (420,15) Item "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (421,15) Item "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (424,11) Item "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (430,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (437,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (443,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (449,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (455,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (461,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (467,11) Item "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (473,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (485,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (492,11) Item "diffServActionStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (498,11) Item "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (504,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (510,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" should be IMPORTed
>
> The draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02.txt document says about this,
> sect 4.4. pages 10 and 11):
>    ... snip ...
>    otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
>    statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be listed in the
>    IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done consistently.
>
> So it is acceptable the way you have done it, but if you do add them it does
> make the above errors go away. I thought we had discussed this before...
> but maybe it was some other MIB where I did discuss it.
>

In a previous run, SMICng complained when they *were* included. I'd rather leave them out
unless the guidelines are going the other way.

>
> Additional comments/questions:
> - I see that references are made to RFC2669 and 2670.
>   But at the same time this WG is working on replacements for those
>   RFCs, so they will soon be obsoleted. Is it not better to reference
>   the replacement documents?

Rich? Jean-Francois?

>
> - For objects that are not in a table, like docsSubMgtCpeMaxIpDefault,
>   can you add a few words to the DESCRIPTION clause  to describe what
>   the expected persistency behaviour is?

ok.

>
> - I see:
>    docsSubMgtCpeIpAddr OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX      InetAddress
>        MAX-ACCESS  read-only
>        STATUS      current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The IP address either set from provisioning or learned via
>        address gleaning or other forwarding means. See
>        docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex for the mechanism."
>   According to RFc3291, you MUST specify which InetAddressType opbject
>   is used to specify the type. So something aka:
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The Internet address either set from provisioning or learned
>        via address gleaning or other forwarding means. See
>        docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex for the mechanism.
>
>        The type of this address is determined by the value of the
>        docsSubMgtCpeIpAddressType object."

agreed.

>
> - In DESCRIPTION clause of: docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream
>   Change:        zero use default classification)
>   Into:          zero (use default classification)

agreed.

>
> - In DESCRIPTION of: docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable
>    s/OIDs/object definitions/
>    and is it a collection? There is only an index object

> - IN DESCRIPTION of: docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex
>     "Provides an OID to which..
>   It defines an object, and the diffServClfrElementSpecific
>   can point to an instance in this table (it does use the OID
>   that identifies the instance).

I think I understand your point, but I'll have to think about how to reword this so that
the sense of linkage of ClfrElementSpecific to Docsis signaling isn't lost.

>
>   Also w.r.t. to the range of this object...
>   Is the entry with index zero the (use default classification)?
>   or is it not intended to exist? From teh way I read things now,
>   there is no need for value 0 in this index object, so better
>   not include it in the range I would say.

you're right. zero should be excluded.

>
> - docsSubMgtBasicCompliance
>   I am not sure were exactly we were with our discussion to the
>   wording that only IPv4 needs to be supported. If the
>   current DOCSIS only supports IPv4, then just doing IPv4 in
>   MODULE-COMPLIANCE is probably OK. Maybe rename it to
>   docsSubMgtBasicIPv4Compliance?  It certainly would be good to
>   add something about that, either in the DESCRIPTION clause of
>   the module compliance itself, or in the InetAddressType and
>   InetAddress DESCRIPTION clauses in the compliance statement.

I was planning to use Mike's wording from August 3.

>
>   Let me also add Juergen Schoenwaelders comment (not sure he posted
>   it to this WG list):
>      Note that scoped link-local addresses are not captured in
>      the compliance statement on devices that potentially can
>      connect multiple links if you restrict the SYNTAX to
>      { ipv4(1) } or { ipv4(1), ipv6(2) }.
>      So people should think twice whether it is not good to
>      include ipv4z(3) and ipv6z(4) as well so that proper
>      support for link-local addresses is required on devices
>      which connect multiple links where conflicts can appear.

Juergen makes a good point - I had neglected zoned non-global addresses. What is the
working group opinion on this? Should we require support for ipv4z addresses?


>
> - I am a little surprised by the definitions that DiffServTables
>   only need nonVolatile support. Seems more difficult than volatile,
>   so would you not at least add that?

This class of device has had a longstanding market requirement for nonVolatile support.
There isn't a corresponding market requirement for volatile support. Is there a benefit to
adding such a requirement for specification purposes?

>
>   I do not believe we have such sort of refinements for StorageType
>   in any MIB module yet. Can you explain what your thinking is/was?

This corresponds to market requirements for this class of device (as I understand them).
Please keep in mind that, unlike most devices and MIBs, we have a rigorous certification
process (by CableLabs) that renders noncompliant products nearly unsellable. So vendors
must take the requirements in this document very seriously. So I'd prefer not to require
supersets of what the customer base has asked for. The danger is that CableLabs would be
forced to substitute its own (non-IETF) compliance document, rendering this compliance
statement moot.

>
> - Can you add Mike Heard to the Acknowledgement section? I think
>   he has contributed quitea bit in some of these discussions.

good point. yes.

>
> - I think you need to add RFC3290 as a NORMATIVE reference.
>   You are IMPORTing from that document
>

I assume you mean 3291. If so, yes.

>
> Thanks,
> Bert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Woundy, Richard [mailto:Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com]
> > Sent: maandag 4 augustus 2003 20:58
> > To: IPCDN WG (E-mail)
> > Cc: 'Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com'; Bert Wijnen (E-mail)
> > Subject: WGLC of the DOCSIS Subscriber Management MIB
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I would like to start the working group last call for the
> > DOCSIS Subscriber
> > Management MIB,
> > <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscrib
> > er-mib-12.txt>
> > . The last call is scheduled to end on August 18th.
> >
> > Please send comments (both positive and negative) to the
> > ipcdn@ietf.org
> > mailing list reflector.
> >
> > -- Richard Woundy and Jean-Francois Mule, IPCDN Co-Chairs
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Woundy, Richard
> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:53 AM
> > To: 'Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com'
> > Cc: ipcdn@ietf.org; bwijnen@lucent.org
> > Subject: RE: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB
> >
> >
> > I posted the draft on the IPCDN website,
> > <http://www.ipcdn.org/drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt>.
> >
> > As soon as it is also posted on the IETF website, we will
> > start a two-week
> > WG last call...
> >
> > -- Rich
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com [mailto:Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:41 AM
> > To: ipcdn@ietf.org
> > Cc: bwijnen@lucent.org
> > Subject: [ipcdn] draft -12 of subscriber management MIB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, at Jean-Francois' request,  I went ahead and
> > submitted the -12
> > draft of the Docsis Subscriber Management MIB. It should be
> > appearing soon
> > through the usual IETF publication process, as well as on the
> > ipcdn web
> > site.
> >
> > It is still lacking final text on the IPv4/IPv6 question,
> > although recent
> > emails suggest that we are converging on wording. I'll
> > republish with that
> > wording as soon as we've reached consensus.
> >
> > The new draft also attempts to address a question from Kirk Friedman
> > regarding 'interface' usage.
> >
> > Please review and get comments to me and to the WG mailing list.
> >
> > - Wilson Sawyer
> >
> >
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Inline for those pieces that warrant another comment/answer from me

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson Sawyer [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]
> Sent: woensdag 3 september 2003 3:31
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: 'Woundy, Richard'; IPCDN WG (E-mail); jf.mule@cablelabs.com
> Subject: Re: [ipcdn] AD Review: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt
> 
> 
> Bert - thank you for the review. Responses interspersed.
> WG members: I need help with:
>      (1) ipv4z addresses (see discussion about scoped link-local addresses)
>      (2) StorageType (nonVolatile as minimum requirement, or ?)

So realize that what you have currently defined is:
   - implementations MUST support nonVolatile
   - implementations are free to NOT support any of the other
     storageTypes.
   - when an operator uses the system, he can only rely on nonVolatile
     being supported, and all the otehr storageTypes may or may not
     be present. So basically the compliance statement tells them
     they can ONLy assume nonVolatile.
So... in principle you could vene remove the StorageType object/column
and put in the xxxEntry DESCRIPTION clasue:
   "all entries in this table MUST be saved in stable storage so that
    they will survive a restart/reboot."
Where as if you did not refine this, then you basically say:
   - implementation must support ALL storage types, including
     nonVolatile
   - when an operator uses the system, then he/she can decide if
     they want to use just nonVolatile or a mix of nonVolatile,
     volatile and any of the other StorageTypes.

Hope this explains why I found the single value "nonVolatile"
kind of strange.

> Rich & Jean-Francois: need help with RFC2669/2670 status
> 
I understood a while back that these updates to 2669 and 2670
were planned to go all together with this and a few other documents?
Maybe that is just "hope" and not reality, I do not know.

More below

> Thanks
> Wilson
> 
> "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:
> 
> > Too late for Last Call I suspect, but this is what I still find
> > with SMICng, strict checking:
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (415,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (416,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (417,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (418,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (419,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (420,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (421,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (424,11) Item 
> "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (430,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (437,11) Item 
> "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (443,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (449,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (455,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (461,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (467,11) Item 
> "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (473,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,11) Item 
> "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (485,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (492,11) Item "diffServActionStorage" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (498,11) Item 
> "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (504,11) Item 
> "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (510,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >
> > The draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02.txt document says about this,
> > sect 4.4. pages 10 and 11):
> >    ... snip ...
> >    otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
> >    statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be listed in the
> >    IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done consistently.
> >
> > So it is acceptable the way you have done it, but if you do add them it does
> > make the above errors go away. I thought we had discussed this before...
> > but maybe it was some other MIB where I did discuss it.
> >
> 
> In a previous run, SMICng complained when they *were* 
> included. I'd rather leave them out
> unless the guidelines are going the other way.
> 
You must have been using an OLD version of SMICng (I suspect).
I am using:
    SMICng version 2.2.11-beta(PRO)(MS-DOS32), July 4, 2001.
with these (strict) options:
    smicopts=/CC /CB /CH /CS /C0D /C0F /C0M /C12 /C1S /C1O /C16 /C1G

In any event, I believe Mike Heard mentioned he prefers to see them
imported. So do I, otherwise I would not have brought it up.
But... it is not mandatory, so you as WG decide.

> >
> > - docsSubMgtBasicCompliance
> >   I am not sure were exactly we were with our discussion to the
> >   wording that only IPv4 needs to be supported. If the
> >   current DOCSIS only supports IPv4, then just doing IPv4 in
> >   MODULE-COMPLIANCE is probably OK. Maybe rename it to
> >   docsSubMgtBasicIPv4Compliance?  It certainly would be good to
> >   add something about that, either in the DESCRIPTION clause of
> >   the module compliance itself, or in the InetAddressType and
> >   InetAddress DESCRIPTION clauses in the compliance statement.
> 
> I was planning to use Mike's wording from August 3.
> 
That is OK.

> >
> >   Let me also add Juergen Schoenwaelders comment (not sure he posted
> >   it to this WG list):
> >      Note that scoped link-local addresses are not captured in
> >      the compliance statement on devices that potentially can
> >      connect multiple links if you restrict the SYNTAX to
> >      { ipv4(1) } or { ipv4(1), ipv6(2) }.
> >      So people should think twice whether it is not good to
> >      include ipv4z(3) and ipv6z(4) as well so that proper
> >      support for link-local addresses is required on devices
> >      which connect multiple links where conflicts can appear.
> 
> Juergen makes a good point - I had neglected zoned non-global 
> addresses. What is the working group opinion on this? Should we
> require support for ipv4z addresses?
> 
Yep, WG pls chime in!

> 
> >
> > - I am a little surprised by the definitions that DiffServTables
> >   only need nonVolatile support. Seems more difficult than volatile,
> >   so would you not at least add that?
> 
> This class of device has had a longstanding market 
> requirement for nonVolatile support.
> There isn't a corresponding market requirement for volatile 
> support. Is there a benefit to
> adding such a requirement for specification purposes?
> 
See above

> >
> >   I do not believe we have such sort of refinements for StorageType
> >   in any MIB module yet. Can you explain what your thinking is/was?
> 
> This corresponds to market requirements for this class of 
> device (as I understand them).
> Please keep in mind that, unlike most devices and MIBs, we 
> have a rigorous certification
> process (by CableLabs) that renders noncompliant products 
> nearly unsellable. So vendors
> must take the requirements in this document very seriously. 
> So I'd prefer not to require
> supersets of what the customer base has asked for. The danger 
> is that CableLabs would be
> forced to substitute its own (non-IETF) compliance document, 
> rendering this compliance
> statement moot.
> 
See above

> >
> > - Can you add Mike Heard to the Acknowledgement section? I think
> >   he has contributed quitea bit in some of these discussions.
> 
> good point. yes.
> 
Thank you.

> >
> > - I think you need to add RFC3290 as a NORMATIVE reference.
> >   You are IMPORTing from that document
> >
> 
> I assume you mean 3291. If so, yes.
> 
Yep, typo.

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Randy;

I apologize for the delay in responding. We will take a look at the
disman-remops-mib draft and compare it to the
ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib i-d. The existing issued CableHome 1.0 and
CableHome 1.1 specifications both refer to the CableHome CTP MIB, which
is the foundation for the ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib, and it will be
non-trivial to change the specifications to refer instead to the
disman-remops-mib. But we agree that there are advantages to unifying
common functionality within the IETF. I will set up a meeting to discuss
this issue with ipcdn-cable-gateway mib authors.

Regards,

	Kevin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kevin Luehrs
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CableLabs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:04 PM
To: Eduardo Cardona; Kevin Luehrs; donald.mah@linksys.com; Doug Jones at
YAS
Cc: Disman (E-mail); ipcdn@ietf.org
Subject: [ipcdn] Ping capability in
draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt


Hi -

Glancing through draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt,
I'm left wondering why it didn't just reference RFC 2925 for the
ping capability.  Since an update to RFC 2925 is in the works
(draft-ietf-disman-remops-mib-v2-00.txt), are there any specific
changes that we might make that would make the duplication
unnecessary?

Randy Presuhn (disman WG chair)

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> Title : Cable Gateway Tools Management Information Base for
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Mike and Bert,
=20
Find below the first response to all the comments we received to date=20
on the pcdn MTA MIB draft 01.=20
=20
It addresses Bert's comments as well as Mike's comments (#1 thru #10).
We will send our responses to technical comments #11 next week. In the
meantime, if you have any reaction on how we've addressed these so far,
let Eugene or myself know.
=20
Thanks,
Eugene and Jean-Francois.
--- Comments from Bert Wijnen received on 7/22/03
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> > 1. PacketCable/IPCablecom MTA MIB=20
> > =
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt
> >
> >=20
> Bad chars at 2053=20
> Bad chars at 2056=20
> -: 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters=20
Fixed; replaced =F4 with double quotes for reference [EN 300 659-1].

>   W: f(ipcdnPktcMta.mi2), (1347,4) NOTIFICATION-GROUP=20
>      "pktcMtaNotificationGroup" is not used in a=20
>      MODULE-COMPLIANCE in current module=20
Fixed; added pktcMtaNotificationGroup in pktcMtaBasicCompliance.

> You IMPORT from IF-MIB (RFC2863) and SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB (RFC3411)=20
> and SNMPv2-MIB (RFC3418). So those must be listed as normative=20
> references=20
Added those 3 RFCs as normative references.
Also deleted old informative snmp RFCs.


--- Comments from Mike received on ipcdn list on 7/23/03
> BTW, in addition to Bert's comments below I notice that=20
> both draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt and=20
> draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt have a=20
> second copy of the standard Intellectual Property stuff=20
> mixed into the Full Copyright statement.=20
Fixed.


--- Comments from Mike received on ipcdn list on 8/11/03

> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. M. Heard [mailto:heard@pobox.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:29 AM
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Cc: Eugene Nechamkin; Jean-Francois Mule; Bert Wijnen
> Subject: MIB doctor review of:=20
> draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt (Part 1)
...snip...

> 1.) I-D Boilerplate -- please remove the citation [RFC2026]
> in the first paragraph of the "Status of this Memo" section.=20
> See http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html Section 1.1, 8th bullet.
ok, done in draft-02.
Mike, note that ID-nits does not prohibits the reference at all: it
simply says:
# Do not add a numbered reference in the ID boilerplate to RFC 2026
# (makes it harder for the RFC editor to process the document when
# they strip off the ID boilerplate)
So as long as the reference is in the form [RFC2026], I think it is
ok. Anyway, we removed it for this draft per your recommendation.

> 2.) Abstract -- OK
>=20
> 3.) MIB Boilerplate -- OK
>=20
> 4.) IPR Notices -- (a) the minimum required notices are=20
> present, but are not verbatim copies of 10.4(A) and 10.4(B)=20
> of RFC 2026, and the editing process has introduced at least=20
> one (and possibly three) minor errors or stylistic anomalies=20
> that need to be corrected:
>=20
> s/described in document/described in this document/
>=20
> s/implementers or users/implementors or users/
>=20
> s/that may cover technology that/which may cover technology that/
ok, done in draft-02

> (b) no claims are noted (10.4(D) of RFC 2026 is absent), and=20
> this appears to be OK since the following search of the IPR=20
> statements on the IETF web site did not turn up anything:
...snip...
No action required from co-authors.


> 5.) References -- in addition to the non-ASCII characters in=20
> one of the references (detailed in #10(a) below), there are=20
> the following substantive issues to address:


> (a) Bert Wijnen already pointed out that:
> > You IMPORT from IF-MIB (RFC2863) and SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB=20
> (RFC3411) and=20
> > SNMPv2-MIB (RFC3418).  So those must be listed as normative=20
> > references.
ok, done in draft-02.

> (b) The normative reference [RFC3289] should be removed.  It=20
> is not cited anywhere in the text, nor does the=20
> PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB import anything from DIFFSERV-DSCP-TC or=20
> DIFFSERV-MIB.
ok, done in draft-02.


> (c) The informative reference [RFC2026] should be removed. =20
> It is cited only in the I-D boilerplate, which will be=20
> stripped off prior to publication as an RFC and is not=20
> allowed to have a citation (see #2 above).
ok, see comment above; done in draft-02.


> (d) The following PacketCable references need to be updated=20
> to point to the latest versions of the documents:
>=20
> Current reference           Latest version
>=20
> PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I06-030415   PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728
> PKT-SP-PROV-I06-030415      PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728
> PKT-SP-SEC-I08-030415       PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728
ok, done in draft-02.


> When you make these updates, please be sure to get the=20
> spelling of the document number right.  In the current draft=20
> I see that all occurrences of [PKT-SP-PROV-IO6-030415] have=20
> the letter "O" in "IO6" instead of the numeral "0".  This is=20
> also true for the citation of [PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-IO6-030415] at=20
> the beginning of Section 3.
ok, done in draft-02.


> You may also want to consider including the URLs where these=20
> documents can be found (in addition to including the title=20
> and document number):
>=20
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-
> 030728.pdf
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728.pdf
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.pdf
The PacketCable specs are revised 3 times a year so this link will
become obsolete soon. Therefore, we would rather not include the
specific URLs, but just http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/

> (e) I could find no citations for the following informative
> references: =20
added citation text and informative references to the ETSI and ITU-T
MTA MIB publications:
[ETSI TS 101 909-8] ETSI TS 101 909-8: "Access and Terminals (AT);
                    Digital Broadband Cable Access to the Public
                    Telecommunications Network; IP Multimedia Time
                    Critical Services; Part 8: Media Terminal
                    Adaptor (MTA) Management Information Base
                    (MIB)".

[ITU-T-J168] IPCablecom media terminal adapter (MTA) MIB
             requirements, J.168, ITU-T, March, 2001.

Note that the intent of this ID is to become an IETF RFC that will
obsolete the 3 separate MIB definitions.

> [ETSI TS 101 909-4],
removed.
> [ETSI TS 101 909-9],
removed.
> [EN 300 001],
kept, added citation text in section 3.
> and [EN 300 659-1].
kept, added citation text in section 3.
>  They should either be
> cited or removed.
kep

> (f) Although [RFC3291] is indeed the correct reference for=20
> the InetAddress/InetAddressType definitions, there is a=20
> possibility that it will be replaced by=20
> draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt or a successor by the time=20
> this document is published.  To allow for this possibility I=20
> recommend adding an RFC Editor note such as the following:
>=20
>   ************************************************************
>   * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
>   *                                                          *
>   * 1.) If <draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt> (or its        *
>   * successor) is to be published as an RFC concurrently     *
>   * with this document, please update normative reference    *
>   * [RFC3291] to point to that RFC, instead of RFC 3291.     *
>   *                                                          *
>   ************************************************************
>=20
ok, per Mike's subsequent email to co-authors, we have added the
following text after the reference [RFC3291]:

    ************************************************************
    * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
    *                                                          *
    *     The I-D <draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt> (or a     *
    * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 3291.   *
    * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
    * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
    * normative reference [RFC3291] should be updated to       *
    * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
    * [RFC3291] should be updated to match.                    *
    *                                                          *
    ************************************************************

> (you may want to consider collecting all RFC Editor
> notes together and putting them at the end, as was
> done in <draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2493bis-01.txt> and=20
> <draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2558bis-01.txt> ... but be sure not to=20
> eliminate the required embedded notes in the MIB module if=20
> you do that)
ok, good idea but not actually done in draft02.


> 6.) Security Considerations Section -- the MIB security=20
> template has been followed, but the presentation is not as=20
> clear as I would like and there appear to be some some=20
> missing and misplaced entries in the lists of writeable=20
> objects.  To address the latter the following changes are suggested:
>=20
> FROM:
>  ! - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer and
>  ! pktcMtaDevRealmTable groups share the potential, if SET=20
> maliciously,  ! to prevent an MTA from provisioning properly,=20
> hence there are  ! considered very sensitive for service=20
> delivery, in particular:
>        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,
>        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two objects, if SET maliciously,
>    will prevent the MTA from being authenticated and=20
> consequently from  ! getting the telephony services.
>        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,
>        pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmName,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,
>  !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, if SET maliciously, would
>  ! cause the whole row of the table to be deleted which will=20
> deny the  ! prevent the MTA from getting the telephony services.
> TO:
>  ! - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer group and=20
> some in  ! the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the potential, if=20
> SET maliciously,  ! to prevent an MTA from provisioning=20
> properly.  Hence they are  ! considered very sensitive for=20
> service delivery.  In particular:
>        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,
>        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns1,
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two objects, if SET maliciously,
>    will prevent the MTA from being authenticated and=20
> consequently from  ! getting telephony services.
>  +     pktcMtaDevTimeServer,
>  +     pktcMtaDevConfigFile,
>        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,
>        pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmName,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,
>  +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
>  +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
>  +     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries,
>  !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, if SET maliciously, could
>  ! cause the whole row of the table to be deleted which may=20
> prevent  ! MTA from getting telephony services.
Ok, done in draft-02.


> FROM:
>    - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the
>    potentional, if SET maliciously, to disrupt the telephony=20
> service by
>    altering which Call Management Server the MTA must send signaling
>    registration to, in particular:
>        pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
>  !     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries - this object,=20
> if set to
>  ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from retry its attempt to
>    establish a security association with the CMS,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.
> TO:
>    - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the
>    potentional, if SET maliciously, to disrupt the telephony=20
> service by
>    altering which Call Management Server the MTA must send signaling
>    registration to, in particular:
>        pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,
>  !     pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries - this object, if set to
>  ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from retrying its attempt to
>    establish a security association with the CMS,
>        pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.
ok, done in draft-02.

> FROM:
>    - The following objects, if SET maliciously will not have an
>    immediate effect on service but they may impact the service
>    performace and may cause avalanche attacks on provisioning servers
>    including Kerberos KDC servers on massive device reboots:
>        pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to true, will cause=20
> an MTA to
>    request a new Kerberos ticket at reboot.
>        pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if set to short=20
> periods, will
>    cause MTA to renew its tickets more frequently,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as above).
>  -     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,
>  -     pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout.
> TO:
>    - The following objects, if SET maliciously will not have an
>    immediate effect on service but they may impact the service
>    performace and may cause avalanche attacks on provisioning servers
>    including Kerberos KDC servers on massive device reboots:
>        pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to true, will cause=20
> an MTA to
>    request a new Kerberos ticket at reboot.
>        pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if set to short=20
> periods, will
>    cause MTA to renew its tickets more frequently,
>        pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as above),
>=20
> (changed lines indicated by '!' in left margin, added lines=20
> by '+', deleted lines by '-').
ok, done in draft-02.


> Note that suggested addition/regrouping of objects in the=20
> lists above assumes that
>=20
>    pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
>    pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
>    pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries
>=20
> are for communication with a Key Distribution Center (KDC)=20
> and so can affect the provisioning process whilst
>=20
>    pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
>    pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
>    pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries
>=20
> are used for communication with a Call Management server=20
> (CMS) and so can affect telephony services but not=20
> provisioning (that, at least, is what I concluded from=20
> Section 3.4 and from the object DESCRIPTION clauses).
correct.

> Even with the above fixes the Security Considerations section=20
> would not be a model of clarity.  The problem is that the=20
> presentation style doesn't make it perfectly clear exactly=20
> what vulnerabilities are associated with each object.  Here=20
> is an example of a possibly better style for the first section above:
>=20
>    - All writable objects in the pktcMtaDevServer group and some in
>    the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the potential, if SET maliciously,
>    to prevent an MTA from provisioning properly.  Hence they are
>    considered very sensitive for service delivery.  The objects in
>    question are:
>=20
>        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer
>        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns1
>        pktcMtaDevServerDns2
>        pktcMtaDevTimeServer
>        pktcMtaDevConfigFile
>        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash
>        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey
>        pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout
>        pktcMtaDevRealmName
>        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName
>        pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout
>        pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout
>        pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries
>        pktcMtaDevRealmStatus
>=20
>    Certain of the above objects have additional specific=20
> vulnerabilites.
>    pktcMtaDevServerDns1 and pktcMtaDevServerDns2, if SET maliciously,
>    could prevent the MTA from being authenticated and=20
> consequently from
>    getting telephony services.  pktcMtaDevRealmStatus, if SET
>    maliciously, could cause the whole row of the table to be deleted
>    which may prevent MTA from getting telephony services.
ok, done in draft-02.

>=20
> The authors may wish to consider reworking the style of the=20
> entire section to something along these lines. =20
ok, see attempt we made to improve the section in draft-02.
In addition, we deleted 2 security consideration paragraphs on 2
readable objects: pktcMtaDevEndPntCount and pktcMtaDevHttpAccess.
After more reviews, we do not believe those objects actually pose real
threats given that the endpoint naming convention is in the spec and
easy to figure out and that pktcMtaDevHttpAccess text was not really
relevant.

> It would also=20
> be good to make consistent statements about retry objects,=20
> RowStatus objects, and so on in the different lists.
>=20
> Finally, this section includes only the standard "deployment=20
> of SNMP versions prior to SNMPv3 is NOT RECOMMENDED."  It has=20
> been my understanding that versions of SNMP prior to SNMPv3=20
> are not permitted for DOCSIS devices.  If that's true, then=20
> the last paragraph should say that instead of the standard stuff.
For MTAs, anything other than SNMPv3 is not recommended in our current
specs - at least that is true today for PacketCable. The issue we're
facing is some service providers still have SNMPv2.
So we decided it is sufficient to leave this section as-is per the
recommendation of http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-security.html and take
the 2 last paragraphs of mib-security.html as-is.



> 7.) IANA Considerations Section -- OK (none present and none=20
> required).
>=20
> 8.) Copyright notices -- the Full Copyright statement has a=20
> second copy of the standard Intellectual Property notices in=20
> front of it. That shouldn't be there and needs to be removed.
ok, done in draft-02.

> 9.) MIB compilation -- Bert already pointed out the following=20
> warning message from SMICng:
>=20
>  W: f(ipcdnPktcMta.mi2), (1347,4) NOTIFICATION-GROUP
>     "pktcMtaNotificationGroup" is not used in a
>     MODULE-COMPLIANCE in current module
ok, done in draft-02, included pktcMtaNotificationGroup into
MANDATORY-GROUPS.
>=20
> The smilint e-mail robot says the same thing:
>=20
>  This command (smilint 0.4.2-pre1, as of Wed Jul 23 17:37:01=20
> 2003)  has been processed to get the following results: =20
> smilint -m -s -l 6 -i namelength-32 PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB
>=20
>  PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB:1340: [5] {group-unref} warning: current=20
> group  `pktcMtaNotificationGroup' is not referenced in this module
>=20
> Although this is not a violation of the SMIv2 rules, we=20
> recommend in the MIB review guidelines that a GROUP clause be=20
> present for each optional group so that it is obvious that it=20
> was not an inadvertent omission; see=20
> <draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt>,
> Sec. 4.8, last bullet on p. 23.  In this case it appears that=20
> this group was indeed inadvertently omitted from the=20
> MANDATORY-GROUPS clause;  see #11(w) below for details.
Fixed.

>=20
> 10.) Other issues, e.g., stuff in=20
> http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html that is not covered above:
>=20
> (a) Bert Wijnen noted 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters:
> > > Bad chars at 2053
> > > Bad chars at 2056
> > > -: 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters
Fixed.

>=20
> The fix that I recommend is to change the text starting at line 2053
> from:
>    [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: =F4Public Switched Telephone Network=20
>                   (PSTN); Subscriber line protocol over the=20
> local loop=20
>                   for display (and related) services; Part 1: On hook=20
>                   data transmission=F6.=20
> to:
>    [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: "Public Switched Telephone Network=20
>                   (PSTN); Subscriber line protocol over the=20
> local loop=20
>                   for display (and related) services; Part 1: On hook=20
>                   data transmission".=20
> assuming, of course, that this reference is retained.
ok, ref deleted.


> (b) There are a few lines that go over 72 characters,=20
> however, that goes away if the trailing blanks are removed. =20
> It would be nice to fix that in the next version of the=20
> draft, but it's not essential, since the trailing blanks are=20
> stripped by the RFC Editor do that as a side-effect of=20
> "nroff'ing" the document.
ok, no action taken.

>=20
> (c) Please make the following change globally: s/RFC-3495/RFC=20
> 3495/ Note that the MIB module and the reference [RFC3495]=20
> are affected.
ok, done in draft-02.

>=20
> (d) Section 2.2:  s/over the DOCSIS/over a DOCSIS/
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (e) Section 2.3:  s/the cable or hybrid system/a cable or=20
> hybrid system/ (multiple occurrences);  s/the CM part/the CM part,/
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (f) Section 2.8:  Consider appending the following sentence:
>=20
>  Commonly used DHCP options are defined in [RFC2132].
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (g) Section 2.10:  s/algorithm/device/
comment rejected by co-authors, not changed.
>=20
> (h) Section 2.11:  s/system of the back office/a system of=20
> back office/
ok, done in draft-02.

>=20
> (i) Section 3.1, 5th paragraph:  s/First two groups/The first=20
> two groups/
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (j) Section 3.1, 6th paragraph:  s/Third group/The third group/
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (k) Section 3.2, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
>  This group contains management information describing the=20
> parameters  of the MTA device itself.  It also contains some=20
> objects to control  the MTA state.  Some highlights are as follows:
>=20
> (l) Section 3.3, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:
>=20
>  This group contains management information describing the=20
> back  office servers and the parameters assigned to the=20
> communication  timeouts.  It also contains some objects=20
> controlling the initial  MTA interaction with the Provisioning Server.
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (m) Section 3.4, 1st paragraph:  suggest to revise as follows:
>=20
>  This group contains management information describing the =20
> security-related characteristics of the MTA.  It also=20
> contains  two tables describing logical dependencies and=20
> parameters necessary  to establish security associations=20
> between the MTA and other  components of the back office. =20
> Some higliights are:
ok, done in draft-02.
>=20
> (n) Section 3.5:  add blank lines between consecutive=20
> paragraphs, and also before and after each bullet item in the=20
> bullet list. Please rewrite the 2nd paragraph so that it is=20
> clear what it means. In the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph=20
> after the bullet list s/defined by the number of=20
> parameters/defined by a number of parameters/ Please use the=20
> definite and indefinite articles when customary (e.g.,=20
> s/Realm Table is indexed/The Realm Table is indexed/ and=20
> s/contains conceptual column/contains a conceptual column). =20
> This whole section is hard to read and needs major editorial rework.
ok, done in draft-02.
> end.
=20

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face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mike and =
Bert,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Find below the =
first response=20
to all the comments we received to date </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>on the =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>pcdn MTA MIB draft 01. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It addresses =
Bert's comments=20
as well as Mike's comments (#1 thru #10).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>We will send =
our responses to=20
technical comments #11 next week. </FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>In the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>meantime, if =
you have any=20
reaction on how we've addressed these </FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>so far,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>let Eugene or =
myself=20
know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Eugene and=20
Jean-Francois.</FONT></DIV><PRE><FONT color=3D#2e8b57><B>--- Comments =
from Bert Wijnen received on 7/22/03</B></FONT>
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; 1. PacketCable/IPCablecom MTA MIB =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; =
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt</F=
ONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Bad chars at 2053 </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Bad chars at 2056 </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; -: 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII characters =
</FONT>
Fixed; replaced =F4 with double quotes for reference [EN 300 659-1].

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   W: f(ipcdnPktcMta.mi2), (1347,4) =
NOTIFICATION-GROUP </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;      "pktcMtaNotificationGroup" is not used =
in a </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;      MODULE-COMPLIANCE in current module =
</FONT>
Fixed; added pktcMtaNotificationGroup in pktcMtaBasicCompliance.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; You IMPORT from IF-MIB (RFC2863) and =
SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB (RFC3411) </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; and SNMPv2-MIB (RFC3418). So those must be =
listed as normative </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; references </FONT>
Added those 3 RFCs as normative references.
Also deleted old informative snmp RFCs.


<FONT color=3D#2e8b57><B>--- Comments from Mike received on ipcdn list =
on 7/23/03</B></FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; BTW, in addition to Bert's comments below I =
notice that </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; both draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt and =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-01.txt have a =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; second copy of the standard Intellectual =
Property stuff </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; mixed into the Full Copyright statement. =
</FONT>
Fixed.


<FONT color=3D#2e8b57><B>--- Comments from Mike received on ipcdn list =
on 8/11/03</B></FONT>

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; From: C. M. Heard [mailto:heard@pobox.com] =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:29 AM</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; To: Ipcdn (E-mail)</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Cc: Eugene Nechamkin; Jean-Francois Mule; =
Bert Wijnen</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Subject: MIB doctor review of: </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-mtamib-01.txt (Part =
1)</FONT>
...snip...

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 1.) I-D Boilerplate -- please remove the =
citation [RFC2026]</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; in the first paragraph of the "Status of this =
Memo" section. </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; See <A =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html">http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.htm=
l</A> Section 1.1, 8th bullet.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
Mike, note that ID-nits does not prohibits the reference at all: it
simply says:
<FONT color=3D#0000ff># Do not add a numbered reference in the ID =
boilerplate to RFC 2026</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#0000ff># (makes it harder for the RFC editor to process =
the document when</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#0000ff># they strip off the ID boilerplate)</FONT>
So as long as the reference is in the form [RFC2026], I think it is
ok. Anyway, we removed it for this draft per your recommendation.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 2.) Abstract -- OK</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 3.) MIB Boilerplate -- OK</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 4.) IPR Notices -- (a) the minimum required =
notices are </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; present, but are not verbatim copies of =
10.4(A) and 10.4(B) </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; of RFC 2026, and the editing process has =
introduced at least </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; one (and possibly three) minor errors or =
stylistic anomalies </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; that need to be corrected:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; s/described in document/described in this =
document/</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; s/implementers or users/implementors or =
users/</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; s/that may cover technology that/which may =
cover technology that/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (b) no claims are noted (10.4(D) of RFC 2026 =
is absent), and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; this appears to be OK since the following =
search of the IPR </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; statements on the IETF web site did not turn =
up anything:</FONT>
...snip...
No action required from co-authors.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 5.) References -- in addition to the =
non-ASCII characters in </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; one of the references (detailed in #10(a) =
below), there are </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; the following substantive issues to =
address:</FONT>


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (a) Bert Wijnen already pointed out =
that:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; You IMPORT from IF-MIB (RFC2863) and =
SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (RFC3411) and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; SNMPv2-MIB (RFC3418).  So those must be =
listed as normative </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; references.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (b) The normative reference [RFC3289] should =
be removed.  It </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; is not cited anywhere in the text, nor does =
the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB import anything from =
DIFFSERV-DSCP-TC or </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; DIFFSERV-MIB.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (c) The informative reference [RFC2026] =
should be removed.  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; It is cited only in the I-D boilerplate, =
which will be </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; stripped off prior to publication as an RFC =
and is not </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; allowed to have a citation (see #2 =
above).</FONT>
ok, see comment above; done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (d) The following PacketCable references need =
to be updated </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; to point to the latest versions of the =
documents:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Current reference           Latest =
version</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I06-030415   =
PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; PKT-SP-PROV-I06-030415      =
PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; PKT-SP-SEC-I08-030415       =
PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; When you make these updates, please be sure =
to get the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; spelling of the document number right.  In =
the current draft </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; I see that all occurrences of =
[PKT-SP-PROV-IO6-030415] have </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; the letter "O" in "IO6" instead of the =
numeral "0".  This is </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; also true for the citation of =
[PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-IO6-030415] at </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; the beginning of Section 3.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; You may also want to consider including the =
URLs where these </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; documents can be found (in addition to =
including the title </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; and document number):</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; <A =
href=3D"http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-">h=
ttp://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-</A></FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 030728.pdf</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; <A =
href=3D"http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728=
.pdf">http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728.p=
df</A></FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; <A =
href=3D"http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.=
pdf">http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.pdf=
</A></FONT>
The PacketCable specs are revised 3 times a year so this link will
become obsolete soon. Therefore, we would rather not include the
specific URLs, but just <A =
href=3D"http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/">http://www.packetcabl=
e.com/specifications/</A>

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (e) I could find no citations for the =
following informative</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; references:  </FONT>
added citation text and informative references to the ETSI and ITU-T
MTA MIB publications:
[ETSI TS 101 909-8] ETSI TS 101 909-8: "Access and Terminals (AT);
                    Digital Broadband Cable Access to the Public
                    Telecommunications Network; IP Multimedia Time
                    Critical Services; Part 8: Media Terminal
                    Adaptor (MTA) Management Information Base
                    (MIB)".

[ITU-T-J168] IPCablecom media terminal adapter (MTA) MIB
             requirements, J.168, ITU-T, March, 2001.

Note that the intent of this ID is to become an IETF RFC that will
obsolete the 3 separate MIB definitions.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; [ETSI TS 101 909-4],</FONT>
removed.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; [ETSI TS 101 909-9],</FONT>
removed.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; [EN 300 001],</FONT>
kept, added citation text in section 3.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; and [EN 300 659-1].</FONT>
kept, added citation text in section 3.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  They should either be</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; cited or removed.</FONT>
kep

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (f) Although [RFC3291] is indeed the correct =
reference for </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; the InetAddress/InetAddressType definitions, =
there is a </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; possibility that it will be replaced by =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt or a =
successor by the time </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; this document is published.  To allow for =
this possibility I </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; recommend adding an RFC Editor note such as =
the following:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   =
************************************************************</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior =
to publication) *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   *                                           =
               *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   * 1.) If =
&lt;draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt&gt; (or its        *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   * successor) is to be published as an RFC =
concurrently     *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   * with this document, please update =
normative reference    *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   * [RFC3291] to point to that RFC, instead =
of RFC 3291.     *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   *                                           =
               *</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;   =
************************************************************</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
ok, per Mike's subsequent email to co-authors, we have added the
following text after the reference [RFC3291]:

    ************************************************************
    * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
    *                                                          *
    *     The I-D &lt;draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-01.txt&gt; (or a     *
    * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 3291.   *
    * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
    * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
    * normative reference [RFC3291] should be updated to       *
    * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
    * [RFC3291] should be updated to match.                    *
    *                                                          *
    ************************************************************

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (you may want to consider collecting all RFC =
Editor</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; notes together and putting them at the end, =
as was</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; done in =
&lt;draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2493bis-01.txt&gt; and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &lt;draft-ietf-atommib-rfc2558bis-01.txt&gt; =
... but be sure not to </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; eliminate the required embedded notes in the =
MIB module if </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; you do that)</FONT>
ok, good idea but not actually done in draft02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 6.) Security Considerations Section -- the =
MIB security </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; template has been followed, but the =
presentation is not as </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; clear as I would like and there appear to be =
some some </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; missing and misplaced entries in the lists of =
writeable </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; objects.  To address the latter the following =
changes are suggested:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; FROM:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! - All writable objects in the =
pktcMtaDevServer and</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! pktcMtaDevRealmTable groups share the =
potential, if SET </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; maliciously,  ! to prevent an MTA from =
provisioning properly, </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; hence there are  ! considered very sensitive =
for service </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; delivery, in particular:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns1,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two =
objects, if SET maliciously,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    will prevent the MTA from being =
authenticated and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; consequently from  ! getting the telephony =
services.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, =
if SET maliciously, would</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! cause the whole row of the table to be =
deleted which will </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; deny the  ! prevent the MTA from getting the =
telephony services.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; TO:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! - All writable objects in the =
pktcMtaDevServer group and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; some in  ! the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the =
potential, if </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; SET maliciously,  ! to prevent an MTA from =
provisioning </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; properly.  Hence they are  ! considered very =
sensitive for </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; service delivery.  In particular:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns1,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns2 - these two =
objects, if SET maliciously,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    will prevent the MTA from being =
authenticated and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; consequently from  ! getting telephony =
services.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  +     pktcMtaDevTimeServer,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  +     pktcMtaDevConfigFile,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  +     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  +     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  +     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  !     pktcMtaDevRealmStatus - this object, =
if SET maliciously, could</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! cause the whole row of the table to be =
deleted which may </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; prevent  ! MTA from getting telephony =
services.</FONT>
Ok, done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; FROM:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    - All writable objects in the =
pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    potentional, if SET maliciously, to =
disrupt the telephony </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; service by</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    altering which Call Management Server the =
MTA must send signaling</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    registration to, in particular:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  !     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries - this object, </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; if set to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from =
retry its attempt to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    establish a security association with the =
CMS,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; TO:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    - All writable objects in the =
pktcMtaDevCmsTable table share the</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    potentional, if SET maliciously, to =
disrupt the telephony </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; service by</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    altering which Call Management Server the =
MTA must send signaling</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    registration to, in particular:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsFqdn,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsKerbRealmName,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsMaxClockSkew,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsSolicitedKeyTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  !     pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries =
- this object, if set to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  ! a zero value '0', may prevent an MTA from =
retrying its attempt to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    establish a security association with the =
CMS,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevCmsStatus.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; FROM:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    - The following objects, if SET =
maliciously will not have an</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    immediate effect on service but they may =
impact the service</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    performace and may cause avalanche attacks =
on provisioning servers</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    including Kerberos KDC servers on massive =
device reboots:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to =
true, will cause </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; an MTA to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    request a new Kerberos ticket at =
reboot.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if =
set to short </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; periods, will</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    cause MTA to renew its tickets more =
frequently,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as =
above).</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  -     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  -     =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; TO:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    - The following objects, if SET =
maliciously will not have an</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    immediate effect on service but they may =
impact the service</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    performace and may cause avalanche attacks =
on provisioning servers</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    including Kerberos KDC servers on massive =
device reboots:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevResetKrbTickets - if set to =
true, will cause </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; an MTA to</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    request a new Kerberos ticket at =
reboot.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmPkinitGracePeriod - if =
set to short </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; periods, will</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    cause MTA to renew its tickets more =
frequently,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmTgsGracePeriod (same as =
above),</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (changed lines indicated by '!' in left =
margin, added lines </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; by '+', deleted lines by '-').</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Note that suggested addition/regrouping of =
objects in the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; lists above assumes that</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; are for communication with a Key Distribution =
Center (KDC) </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; and so can affect the provisioning process =
whilst</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    =
pktcMtaDevCmsUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; are used for communication with a Call =
Management server </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (CMS) and so can affect telephony services =
but not </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; provisioning (that, at least, is what I =
concluded from </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Section 3.4 and from the object DESCRIPTION =
clauses).</FONT>
correct.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Even with the above fixes the Security =
Considerations section </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; would not be a model of clarity.  The problem =
is that the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; presentation style doesn't make it perfectly =
clear exactly </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; what vulnerabilities are associated with each =
object.  Here </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; is an example of a possibly better style for =
the first section above:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    - All writable objects in the =
pktcMtaDevServer group and some in</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    the pktcMtaDevRealmTable share the =
potential, if SET maliciously,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    to prevent an MTA from provisioning =
properly.  Hence they are</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    considered very sensitive for service =
delivery.  The objects in</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    question are:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvisioningTimer</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerAddressType</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns1</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevServerDns2</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevTimeServer</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevConfigFile</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevSnmpEntity</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigHash</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevProvConfigKey</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevProvSolicitedKeyTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmName</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmOrgName</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyNomTimeout</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        =
pktcMtaDevRealmUnsolicitedKeyMaxRetries</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;        pktcMtaDevRealmStatus</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    Certain of the above objects have =
additional specific </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; vulnerabilites.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    pktcMtaDevServerDns1 and =
pktcMtaDevServerDns2, if SET maliciously,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    could prevent the MTA from being =
authenticated and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; consequently from</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    getting telephony services.  =
pktcMtaDevRealmStatus, if SET</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    maliciously, could cause the whole row of =
the table to be deleted</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    which may prevent MTA from getting =
telephony services.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; The authors may wish to consider reworking =
the style of the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; entire section to something along these =
lines.  </FONT>
ok, see attempt we made to improve the section in draft-02.
In addition, we deleted 2 security consideration paragraphs on 2
readable objects: pktcMtaDevEndPntCount and pktcMtaDevHttpAccess.
After more reviews, we do not believe those objects actually pose real
threats given that the endpoint naming convention is in the spec and
easy to figure out and that pktcMtaDevHttpAccess text was not really
relevant.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; It would also </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; be good to make consistent statements about =
retry objects, </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; RowStatus objects, and so on in the different =
lists.</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Finally, this section includes only the =
standard "deployment </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; of SNMP versions prior to SNMPv3 is NOT =
RECOMMENDED."  It has </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; been my understanding that versions of SNMP =
prior to SNMPv3 </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; are not permitted for DOCSIS devices.  If =
that's true, then </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; the last paragraph should say that instead of =
the standard stuff.</FONT>
For MTAs, anything other than SNMPv3 is not recommended in our current
specs - at least that is true today for PacketCable. The issue we're
facing is some service providers still have SNMPv2.
So we decided it is sufficient to leave this section as-is per the
recommendation of <A =
href=3D"http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-security.html">http://www.ops.ietf.or=
g/mib-security.html</A> and take
the 2 last paragraphs of mib-security.html as-is.



<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 7.) IANA Considerations Section -- OK (none =
present and none </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; required).</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 8.) Copyright notices -- the Full Copyright =
statement has a </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; second copy of the standard Intellectual =
Property notices in </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; front of it. That shouldn't be there and =
needs to be removed.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 9.) MIB compilation -- Bert already pointed =
out the following </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; warning message from SMICng:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  W: f(ipcdnPktcMta.mi2), (1347,4) =
NOTIFICATION-GROUP</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;     "pktcMtaNotificationGroup" is not used in =
a</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;     MODULE-COMPLIANCE in current =
module</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02, included pktcMtaNotificationGroup into
MANDATORY-GROUPS.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; The smilint e-mail robot says the same =
thing:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  This command (smilint 0.4.2-pre1, as of Wed =
Jul 23 17:37:01 </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 2003)  has been processed to get the =
following results:  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; smilint -m -s -l 6 -i namelength-32 =
PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  PKTC-IETF-MTA-MIB:1340: [5] {group-unref} =
warning: current </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; group  `pktcMtaNotificationGroup' is not =
referenced in this module</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Although this is not a violation of the SMIv2 =
rules, we </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; recommend in the MIB review guidelines that a =
GROUP clause be </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; present for each optional group so that it is =
obvious that it </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; was not an inadvertent omission; see </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; =
&lt;draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt&gt;,</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Sec. 4.8, last bullet on p. 23.  In this case =
it appears that </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; this group was indeed inadvertently omitted =
from the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; MANDATORY-GROUPS clause;  see #11(w) below =
for details.</FONT>
Fixed.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 10.) Other issues, e.g., stuff in </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; <A =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html">http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.htm=
l</A> that is not covered above:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (a) Bert Wijnen noted 2 lines containing =
non-US-ASCII characters:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; &gt; Bad chars at 2053</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; &gt; Bad chars at 2056</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; &gt; &gt; -: 2 lines containing non-US-ASCII =
characters</FONT>
Fixed.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; The fix that I recommend is to change the =
text starting at line 2053</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; from:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: =F4Public =
Switched Telephone Network </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   (PSTN); Subscriber line =
protocol over the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; local loop </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   for display (and related) =
services; Part 1: On hook </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   data transmission=F6. =
</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; to:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;    [EN 300 659-1] EN 300 659-1: "Public =
Switched Telephone Network </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   (PSTN); Subscriber line =
protocol over the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; local loop </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   for display (and related) =
services; Part 1: On hook </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;                   data transmission". </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; assuming, of course, that this reference is =
retained.</FONT>
ok, ref deleted.


<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (b) There are a few lines that go over 72 =
characters, </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; however, that goes away if the trailing =
blanks are removed.  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; It would be nice to fix that in the next =
version of the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; draft, but it's not essential, since the =
trailing blanks are </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; stripped by the RFC Editor do that as a =
side-effect of </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; "nroff'ing" the document.</FONT>
ok, no action taken.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (c) Please make the following change =
globally: s/RFC-3495/RFC </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; 3495/ Note that the MIB module and the =
reference [RFC3495] </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; are affected.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (d) Section 2.2:  s/over the DOCSIS/over a =
DOCSIS/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (e) Section 2.3:  s/the cable or hybrid =
system/a cable or </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; hybrid system/ (multiple occurrences);  s/the =
CM part/the CM part,/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (f) Section 2.8:  Consider appending the =
following sentence:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  Commonly used DHCP options are defined in =
[RFC2132].</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (g) Section 2.10:  s/algorithm/device/</FONT>
comment rejected by co-authors, not changed.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (h) Section 2.11:  s/system of the back =
office/a system of </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; back office/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.

<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (i) Section 3.1, 5th paragraph:  s/First two =
groups/The first </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; two groups/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (j) Section 3.1, 6th paragraph:  s/Third =
group/The third group/</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (k) Section 3.2, 1st paragraph:  suggest to =
revise as follows:</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  This group contains management information =
describing the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; parameters  of the MTA device itself.  It =
also contains some </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; objects to control  the MTA state.  Some =
highlights are as follows:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (l) Section 3.3, 1st paragraph:  suggest to =
revise as follows:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  This group contains management information =
describing the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; back  office servers and the parameters =
assigned to the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; communication  timeouts.  It also contains =
some objects </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; controlling the initial  MTA interaction with =
the Provisioning Server.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (m) Section 3.4, 1st paragraph:  suggest to =
revise as follows:</FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt;  This group contains management information =
describing the  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; security-related characteristics of the MTA.  =
It also </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; contains  two tables describing logical =
dependencies and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; parameters necessary  to establish security =
associations </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; between the MTA and other  components of the =
back office.  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; Some higliights are:</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; (n) Section 3.5:  add blank lines between =
consecutive </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; paragraphs, and also before and after each =
bullet item in the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; bullet list. Please rewrite the 2nd paragraph =
so that it is </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; clear what it means. In the 1st sentence of =
the 2nd paragraph </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; after the bullet list s/defined by the number =
of </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; parameters/defined by a number of parameters/ =
Please use the </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; definite and indefinite articles when =
customary (e.g., </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; s/Realm Table is indexed/The Realm Table is =
indexed/ and </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; s/contains conceptual column/contains a =
conceptual column).  </FONT>
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; This whole section is hard to read and needs =
major editorial rework.</FONT>
ok, done in draft-02.
<FONT color=3D#008080>&gt; end.</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Jean-Francois Mule wrote:
> Find below the first response to all the comments we received to date 
> on the pcdn MTA MIB draft 01. 
>  
> It addresses Bert's comments as well as Mike's comments (#1 thru #10).
> We will send our responses to technical comments #11 next week. In the
> meantime, if you have any reaction on how we've addressed these so far,
> let Eugene or myself know.
...
> > 1.) I-D Boilerplate -- please remove the citation [RFC2026]
> > in the first paragraph of the "Status of this Memo" section. 
> > See http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html Section 1.1, 8th bullet.
> ok, done in draft-02.
> Mike, note that ID-nits does not prohibits the reference at all: it
> simply says:
> # Do not add a numbered reference in the ID boilerplate to RFC 2026
> # (makes it harder for the RFC editor to process the document when
> # they strip off the ID boilerplate)
> So as long as the reference is in the form [RFC2026], I think it is
> ok. Anyway, we removed it for this draft per your recommendation.

You may be right.  This point is not entirely clear.  I had assumed
that the problem would not be so much from having a numbered
citation such as [1] vs. [RFC2026] but from having a dangling
reference (renumbering of references, and consequent difficulty for
the RFC Editor, only happens if one insists on removing RFC 2026
from the References section if it's not actually cited).  Bert, I
think you still have some requests to put to the IETF Secretariat
w.r.t ID-nits;  please consider having this point clarified when/if
you get around to doing that.

> > (d) The following PacketCable references need to be updated 
> > to point to the latest versions of the documents:
> > 
> > Current reference           Latest version
> > 
> > PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I06-030415   PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728
> > PKT-SP-PROV-I06-030415      PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728
> > PKT-SP-SEC-I08-030415       PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728
> ok, done in draft-02.
...
> > You may also want to consider including the URLs where these 
> > documents can be found (in addition to including the title 
> > and document number):
> > 
> > http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728.pdf
> > http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728.pdf
> > http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.pdf
> The PacketCable specs are revised 3 times a year so this link will
> become obsolete soon. Therefore, we would rather not include the
> specific URLs, but just http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/

Sounds OK to me.  However, you should probably consider adding some
words to the introductory part of the spec to let the readers know
that they should look for the latest versions of the PacketCable
specs by title rather than document number.  This is especially
important since two of these documents are normative references.  
We'd prefer to be able to point at stable documents, but my
recollection is that the titles don't change (at least not much) and
if a specific document number gets obsoleted you will see that
stated in the replacement document.

> > (e) I could find no citations for the following informative
> > references:  
> added citation text and informative references to the ETSI and ITU-T
> MTA MIB publications:
> [ETSI TS 101 909-8] ETSI TS 101 909-8: "Access and Terminals (AT);
>                     Digital Broadband Cable Access to the Public
>                     Telecommunications Network; IP Multimedia Time
>                     Critical Services; Part 8: Media Terminal
>                     Adaptor (MTA) Management Information Base
>                     (MIB)".
> 
> [ITU-T-J168] IPCablecom media terminal adapter (MTA) MIB
>              requirements, J.168, ITU-T, March, 2001.
> 
> Note that the intent of this ID is to become an IETF RFC that will
> obsolete the 3 separate MIB definitions.

Good, that's useful information for the document readers (as I
recall, you had to give me an education on this point :-).

[ ... skipping down to security considerations ... ]
> In addition, we deleted 2 security consideration paragraphs on 2
> readable objects: pktcMtaDevEndPntCount and pktcMtaDevHttpAccess.
> After more reviews, we do not believe those objects actually pose real
> threats given that the endpoint naming convention is in the spec and
> easy to figure out and that pktcMtaDevHttpAccess text was not really
> relevant.

Fine by me, you are the subject matter experts.

> > Finally, this section includes only the standard "deployment 
> > of SNMP versions prior to SNMPv3 is NOT RECOMMENDED."  It has 
> > been my understanding that versions of SNMP prior to SNMPv3 
> > are not permitted for DOCSIS devices.  If that's true, then 
> > the last paragraph should say that instead of the standard stuff.
> For MTAs, anything other than SNMPv3 is not recommended in our current
> specs - at least that is true today for PacketCable. The issue we're
> facing is some service providers still have SNMPv2.

Just out of curiousity, do you really mean classic party-based
SNMPv2, which these days is usually called SNMPv2p?  I would guess
that this is a typo, and you meant to say SNMPv1 (the previous
standard, widely deployed) or perhaps SNMPv2c (the experimental
prococol, not so widely deployed).  But that's not really important.

> So we decided it is sufficient to leave this section as-is per the
> recommendation of http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-security.html and take
> the 2 last paragraphs of mib-security.html as-is.

Fine by me.

> > (g) Section 2.10:  s/algorithm/device/
> comment rejected by co-authors, not changed.

The problem that I was trying to address is that this usage of the
word algorithm does not seem to be correct:

2.10 Voice Coder-Decoder

   Voice COder-DECoder (CODEC) - is an algorithm used to transform the
   audio information to the packets of digitized Data being transferred
   over the IP networks.

I say that because an encoder or decoder _implements_ an encoding or
decoding algorithm, but is not identical with that algorithm.

If you don't care for the word "device", some other possibilities
are "element" or "system component".

Mike


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Hi Kevin -

Thanks for the update.  I understand the complications that can arise when
an externally developed specification comes into the IETF.  Regardless
of whether the ipcdn WG decides to use the disman work, we'd still
appreciate any feedback on it that you might have.

Randy Presuhn,
disman WG chair

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>; "Eduardo Cardona" <e.cardona@cablelabs.com>; <donald.mah@linksys.com>; "Doug
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Subject: [Disman] RE: [ipcdn] Ping capability in draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt


Randy;

I apologize for the delay in responding. We will take a look at the
disman-remops-mib draft and compare it to the
ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib i-d. The existing issued CableHome 1.0 and
CableHome 1.1 specifications both refer to the CableHome CTP MIB, which
is the foundation for the ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib, and it will be
non-trivial to change the specifications to refer instead to the
disman-remops-mib. But we agree that there are advantages to unifying
common functionality within the IETF. I will set up a meeting to discuss
this issue with ipcdn-cable-gateway mib authors.

Regards,

Kevin

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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [ipcdn] Ping capability in
draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt


Hi -

Glancing through draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt,
I'm left wondering why it didn't just reference RFC 2925 for the
ping capability.  Since an update to RFC 2925 is in the works
(draft-ietf-disman-remops-mib-v2-00.txt), are there any specific
changes that we might make that would make the duplication
unnecessary?

Randy Presuhn (disman WG chair)

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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the IP over Cable Data Network Working
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>
> Title : Cable Gateway Tools Management Information Base for
>                           CableHome compliant Residential Gateways
> Author(s) : E. Cardona et al.
> Filename : draft-ietf-ipcdn-cable-gateway-tools-mib-00.txt
> Pages : 20
> Date : 2003-6-24
>
> This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
> for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
> In particular, it defines a basic set of managed objects for SNMP-
> based management of CableHome compliant WAN Gateway Devices and home
> routers.  Specifically, this MIB defines managed objects for both a
> connection speed tool and an ICMP 'ping' tool between the Gateway and
> devices on the LAN.
> This memo specifies a MIB module in a manner that is compliant to the
> SNMP SMIv2 [5][6][7].  The set of objects is consistent with the SNMP
> framework and existing SNMP standards.
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W.r.t.
> > > (d) The following PacketCable references need to be updated 
> > > to point to the latest versions of the documents:
> > > 
> > > Current reference           Latest version
> > > 
> > > PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I06-030415   PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728
> > > PKT-SP-PROV-I06-030415      PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728
> > > PKT-SP-SEC-I08-030415       PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728
> > ok, done in draft-02.
> ...
> > > You may also want to consider including the URLs where these 
> > > documents can be found (in addition to including the title 
> > > and document number):
> > > 
> > > 
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I07-030728.pdf
> > > 
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-PROV-I07-030728.pdf
> > > 
> http://www.packetcable.com/downloads/specs/PKT-SP-SEC-I09-030728.pdf
> > The PacketCable specs are revised 3 times a year so this link will
> > become obsolete soon. Therefore, we would rather not include the
> > specific URLs, but just http://www.packetcable.com/specifications/
> 
> Sounds OK to me.  However, you should probably consider adding some
> words to the introductory part of the spec to let the readers know
> that they should look for the latest versions of the PacketCable
> specs by title rather than document number.  This is especially
> important since two of these documents are normative references.  
> We'd prefer to be able to point at stable documents, but my
> recollection is that the titles don't change (at least not much) and
> if a specific document number gets obsoleted you will see that
> stated in the replacement document.
> 

Let me point out that IETF/IESG basiscally wants references 
(especially NORMATIVE) to be to stable documents.
I have seen docs pushed back by IESG in the past for not having 
stable normative references. So pls make sure it is very
clear how people can get to the proper document (that is
being referenced).

Bert

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"Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:

> Inline for those pieces that warrant another comment/answer from me
>
> Thanks,
> Bert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wilson Sawyer [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]
> > Sent: woensdag 3 september 2003 3:31
> > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > Cc: 'Woundy, Richard'; IPCDN WG (E-mail); jf.mule@cablelabs.com
> > Subject: Re: [ipcdn] AD Review: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt
> >
> >
> > Bert - thank you for the review. Responses interspersed.
> > WG members: I need help with:
> >      (1) ipv4z addresses (see discussion about scoped link-local addresses)
> >      (2) StorageType (nonVolatile as minimum requirement, or ?)
>
> So realize that what you have currently defined is:
>    - implementations MUST support nonVolatile
>    - implementations are free to NOT support any of the other
>      storageTypes.
>    - when an operator uses the system, he can only rely on nonVolatile
>      being supported, and all the otehr storageTypes may or may not
>      be present. So basically the compliance statement tells them
>      they can ONLy assume nonVolatile.

Yes, that is the intent.

>
> So... in principle you could vene remove the StorageType object/column
> and put in the xxxEntry DESCRIPTION clasue:
>    "all entries in this table MUST be saved in stable storage so that
>     they will survive a restart/reboot."

Not exactly. The entries must be capable of being saved in stable
storage. The implementor is welcome to exceed this floor. This is the
minimal useful functionality expected of this product class.

>
> Where as if you did not refine this, then you basically say:
>    - implementation must support ALL storage types, including
>      nonVolatile
>    - when an operator uses the system, then he/she can decide if
>      they want to use just nonVolatile or a mix of nonVolatile,
>      volatile and any of the other StorageTypes.
>
> Hope this explains why I found the single value "nonVolatile"
> kind of strange.

Your argument seems a bit abstract, since I haven't heard such needs
from operators. And I'm really not sure how you'd test compliance with
'permanent' and 'other'. 

On carefully considering your comments, it also occurred to me that this
is something that should be consistent across at least the DOCSIS MIBs
for this class of device. On reviewing the other DOCSIS MIBs, I find:

- bpiplus and RFI omit StorageType altogether (perhaps incorrectly)
- Event Mib doesn't appear to need StorageType
- QoS MIB and Device MIB have the same StorageType compliance language
as subscriber management.

Of course, if the other documents change, subscriber management should
also change to stay consistent.

(remainder snipped)

Regards,
Wilson

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Here is additional MIB doctor review.
Harrie was involved a lot with the Diffserv MIB work,
so I asked him explicitly to look at that aspect.

Thanks to Harrie for his review.

Pls copy Harrie explicitly on any comments/answers, cause I doubt
that he is on the IPCDN mailing list.

Thanks,
Bert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Harrie Hazewinkel [mailto:harrie@lisanza.net]
Sent: maandag 8 september 2003 12:43
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Wilson.Sawyer@arrisi.com
Cc: Harrie Hazewinkel
Subject: review: draft-ietf-ipcdn-mib.txt


HI,

Hereby my MIB review. While reading I added comments in-line in the 
document.
(Sorry, if a big part of the draft is copied, but provides context I 
hope.)

Some general (summary of) comments are:
1) the formatting of the description clauses could improve readability.

2) adding a small description in the description clause helps, while
now (sometimes) directly the meaning of the values is given.

3) the DIFFSERV-MIB (classifier) connections seems odd to me.
I do not beleive it is correct, also since the text speaks of
OIDs and that is no where used (only Integer).
IMHO, the docsSubMgtCmFilterTable could work like the 
diffServDataPathTable
and with Rowpointer for is objects and the docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable
becomes redandant or could acts as a pool of filter available (but then
needs RowPointers as weel). This sounds simpler to me and does the job.
Please correct, me if I am wrong or ask if more info is needed.
(Below I have more specifics of this).

Hope this helps,
Harrie


> Abstract
>
>    This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
>    for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
>    In particular, it defines a set of managed objects for SNMP-based
>    management of Data-over-Cable Service Interface Specification
>    (DOCSIS)-compliant Cable Modem Termination Systems. These managed
>    objects facilitate protection of the cable network from misuse by
>    subscribers.

Not sure, but is not a subset of managed objects addressed here?
Maybe it is useful to mention it extends the other MIBs.

>
>    This memo is a product of the IPCDN working group within the 
> Internet
>    Engineering Task Force.  Comments are solicited and should be
>    addressed to the working group's mailing list at ipcdn@ietf.org
>    and/or the author.

This goes out of the abstract, I presume??
It is mostly part of the 'Status of the memo' which
gets changed when it turns into an RFC.

> 2. Overview
>
>    This MIB provides a set of objects required for the management of
>    DOCSIS Cable Modem Termination Systems (CMTS). The specification is
>    derived in part from the operational model described in the DOCSIS
>    Radio Frequency Interface Specification [DOCSRFI]. These managed
>    objects facilitate protection of the cable network from misuse by
>    subscribers.

What kind of 'misuse'? Maybe it is useful to define the kinds of
misuse is ment here.

>    The following figure illustrates the operational and physical
>    deployment relationships between elements in a cable modem network.
>    This MIB resides at the CMTS, which is the first point in the public
>    data network at which the cable operator controls physical access.
>    The CMTS (possibly assisted by other IP services devices) acts as a
>    network edge, separating the physical outside-plant cable television
>    network from the operator's IP network.
>
>
>                     |              operator's IP network
>                  +------+          ---------------------
>                  | CMTS |          operator's cable head-end
>                  +------+          ---------------------
>                     |
>            +--------+--------+     CATV physical network
>            |        |        |
>          +----+   +----+   +----+  ------------------
>          | CM |   | CM |   | CM |  subscriber premises
>          +----+   +----+   +----+  ------------------
>            |        |        |     subscriber host or network
>
>
>    This MIB controls IP packet forwarding to and from each cable modem,
>    at the CMTS. Different modems may be accorded different treatment.

Maybe time to refer to DIFFSERV??

>    Much of this MIB duplicates capabilities found in the DOCSIS Cable
>    Device MIB [RFC2669].

Why duplication? Is it not possible to use those managed objects?
Otherwise, I beleive it is a good idea to mention why they are
duplicated.

>    While it is expected that the Cable Device MIB
>    will be used to prevent unwanted traffic from entering the cable
>    network, it is also possible that a malicious user might tamper with
>    cable modem software, disabling its filtering policies. This MIB
>    provides a more secure mechanism, since physical access to the CMTS
>    is controlled by the network operator.

Actually, I do not believe this MIB provides the 'secure mechanism', but
merely the managed objects to manage that 'secure mechanism'.
IMHO, it gives a not fully correct impression.

>
>    In particular, this MIB provides two capabilities: first, to limit
>    the IP addresses behind a modem, and, second, to provide protocol
>    filtering to and from a modem. The first duplicates the capabilities
>    of the docsDevCpe group [RFC2669]. This provides for either learned
>    or provisioned subscriber premises host IP addresses behind a cable
>    modem.

The second?? Which is below the 'filtering', but mention it as such.
It helps the reader.

>    The filtering capability makes use of the Classification, Counting,
>    and Drop facilities of the Differentiated Services MIB [RFC3289]. In
>    order to provide different filtering for various classes of
>    subscribers, this MIB defines the docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable which
>    specifies which filters are to apply to each subscriber packet.  
> This
>    table is used by RFC3289 as a first pass of classification, to then
>    choose a second pass of classification using the

Here I am getting confused from the text.
'This table is used by RFC3289...' makes me believe this extends the
MIB defined in RFC 3289. But my understanding is that you want to use
the 'filtering' of the DIFFSERV-MIB in this MIB, right.
I suggest to rewrite this paragraph to reflect this.

>    diffServMultiFieldClfrTable:
>
>    diffServDataPathStart --> diffServClfrEntry(1)
>    diffServClfrElementSpecific(1) --> docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex
>    diffServClfrElementNext(1) --> diffServClfrEntry(2)
>    diffServClfrElementSpecific(2)--> diffServMultiFieldClfrEntry
>    diffServClfrElementNext(2) --> difServActionEntry (count or algDrop)


>
>    Rather than maintaining a separate list of filters for each modem at
>    the CMTS, it is assumed that large numbers of modems will share
>    filtering characteristics. Therefore, DOCSIS signaling defines 
> filter
>    groups by which cable modems share common filter lists.

I am not sure, but if I understand it correctly what you want the above 
section
needs to be improved.
What I understand (in short) is this MIB does 2 things 1) limit IP 
addresses
of a modem and 2) does filtering. The first part is also done by 
RFC2669 and
is here duplicated. The second part is filtering as defined in RFC3289 
(where it
is DIFFSERV focussed).

>
> 2.1. Structure of the MIB
>
>    This MIB is structured in four tables:
>
>    o    The docsSubMgtCpeControlTable controls the acceptance of
>         subscriber host addresses behind a cable modem.
>
>    o    The docsSubMgtCpeIpTable monitors the subscriber host addresses
>         which the CMTS believes to exist behind the cable modem.
>
>    o    The docsSubMgtCmFilterTable binds a cable modem to a set of
>         filters in diffServMultiFieldClfrTable.
>
>    o    The docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable provides the OIDs by which
>         the diffServClfrElementTable selects a filter group.
>
>    The docsSubMgtCpeControlTable and docsSubMgtCmFilterTable AUGMENT 
> the
>    docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable from [RFC2670]. Similarly,
>    docsSubMgtCpeIpTable expands this table (an additional index is
>    used). As such, each entry in these tables is bound to a registered
>    cable modem, as perceived by the CMTS.

I would break to above in a section for each of the tables above.
It took me sometime to realize that the above paragraph covers the
first three tables. Or just extend the 'points' since it is
not that much text anyway.

> 2.1.1. docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable
>
>    The docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable is unusual in that it might be viewed
>    not so much as an array of single-object entries as an array of
>    OBJECT-IDENTIFIER conventions. Each instance of
>    docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex serves as an OID reference for
>    diffServClfrElementSpecific. The index value corresponds to the
>    filter group identifier signaled by the cable modem [DOCSRFI].  An
>    entry exists in this Table if a reference to it exists in
>    diffServClfrElementSpecific.

When looking in the MIB I do not see the OID reference.
See also there.

>
>    As such, contrary to common practice, the index for the table is
>    read-only, and is both the Entry's index and its only value.

Not needed here. Only later in the OBJECT-TYPE. I do not
know the access here at all.

> 2.2. Management requirements
>
>    The DOCSIS cable modem provisioning model [DOCSRFI] requires that
>    cable modems use TFTP to acquire a list of parameters. The modem 
> then
>    passes many of these parameters to the CMTS in the DOCSIS
>    Registration message. The parameter values are digitally signed by
>    the creator of the TFTP contents, and the signature is verified by
>    the CMTS. In general, then, the CMTS need not itself be configured
>    with the attributes of its cable modems. It will acquire these 
> values
>    through the Registration process that is secured by the digital
>    signature.
>
>    Cable modem subscriber management, as described here, modifies this
>    process slightly for reasons of data reduction and ease of
>    administrative control.  In the case of filtering management, for

What is ment by 'filtering management'?
Is it 'management of the filtering mechanism' or filtering the 
management
traffic'?

>    example, the tables are maintained through SNMP at the CMTS, and the
>    modem registration merely signals the index values for the rows that
>    apply to that modem.
>
> 2.2.1. Interaction with DOCSIS provisioning for CPE address control
>
>    Rows in docsSubMgtCpeControlTable are created by the CMTS for each
>    modem as a result of the DOCSIS registration process. The DOCSIS
>    registration attributes may include items semantically equivalent to
>    those in the DocsDevCpe branch of the DOCSIS Cable Device MIB
>    [RFC2669]:
>
>    o    docsDevCpeEnroll
>    o    docsDevCpeIpMax
>    o    docsDevCpeIp
>
>    Successful DOCSIS registration shall have the effect of setting the
>    corresponding fields in the docsSubMgtCpeControlTable and the
>    docsSubMgtCpeIpTable. If not present, the default at registration
>    shall be to set docsSubMgtCpeControlActive to false.

I believe something in this sentence is wrong/missing.
'default' -> 'default behavior'

>    Rows in docsSubMgtCpeIpTable are created through any of three ways:
>   DOCSIS registration (as described above), learning by the CMTS, or
>    through some unspecified administrative mechanism on the CMTS.

Maybe adding below numbers? Like,..
1) DOCSIS registration (as described above), 2) learning by the CMTS,
  3) or through some unspecified administrative mechanism on the CMTS.

>  The
>    docsDevCpeIpMax table bound applies only to the first two.
>
>    The CMTS may learn addresses by simply snooping source IP addresses
>    from each cable modem. Other learning mechanisms (for example, ARP

Suggestion,
'from each cable modem' -> 'from traffic originating from each cable 
modem'

>    snooping) may be used. The learning mechanism is not defined by this
>    document.
>
> 2.2.2. Interaction with DOCSIS provisioning for filtering
>
>    Rows in docsSubMgtCmFilterTable are created by the CMTS for each
>    modem as a result of the DOCSIS registration process. The DOCSIS
>    registration attributes may include four indices (see section
>    C.1.1.18.3 of [DOCSRFI]):
>
>    o   one identifying the upstream filter group for packets
>        originating from the cable modem (i.e., those packets whose
>        source MAC address matches that of the cable modem).
>    o   one identifying the upstream filter group for packets
>        originating from subscribers attached to the cable modem (i.e.,
>        those packets whose source MAC address does not match that of
>        the cable modem).
>    o   one identifying the downstream filter group for packets
>        destined to the cable modem (i.e., those packets whose
>        destination MAC address matches that of the cable modem).
>    o   one identifying the downstream filter group for packets
>        destined to subscribers attached to the cable modem (i.e.,
>        those packets whose destination MAC address does not match
>        that of the cable modem).
>
>    Successful registration shall have the effect of setting
>    docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream, docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream,
>    docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream, and docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream, for
>    that modem (just as if set through the SNMP protocol). If the DOCSIS
>    attributes are not present, the effect shall be to use the default
>    entry (diffServClfrElementSpecific=zeroDotZero) specified in the
>    diffServClfrElementTable.

(diffServClfrElementSpecific=zeroDotZero) is not a default entry.
zeroDotZero is a default value for the diffServClfrElementSpecific
when no filtering is done or known.
I also believe that is no filtering is done the values of
docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream, docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream,
docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream, and docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream can be 
zero.
There is no need for a reference into DIFFSERV-MIB filters/classifiers 
then.

Not sure if I am correct here, if so the text needs some changes I 
guess.

> 2.2.3. Distinguishing Modem from Subscriber Traffic
>
>    All traffic originating from or destined to a subscriber site is
>    potentially suspect, and subject to suppression by the network
>    operator.  This is true even if the traffic is ostensibly sourced or
>    sunk by the cable modem itself, rather than the subscriber hosts
>    behind the modem. To provide more nuanced administrative control,
>    this document allows separate filter policies for modems and hosts.
>    For example, modem policies may limit modems to server-subnet-only
>    access, while allowing a different scope to subscribers.
>
>    The CMTS chooses the filter set to apply based solely on the MAC
>    address (source MAC upstream, destination MAC downstream). If the 
> MAC
>    address matches that of the modem, then the
>    docsSubMgtCmFilterUp/Downstream pair is used; otherwise the
>    docsSubMgtSubFilterUp/Downstream pair is applied.
>
>    If the CM acts as a router rather than as a DOCSIS bridging
>    forwarder, then the network operator will only use the
>    docsSubMgtCmFilterUp/Downstream pair.
>
> 2.3. Relationship to the Differentiated Services MIB [RFC3289]
>
>    DOCSIS CMTSs rely on the classification, counting, and drop
>    facilities of the Differentiated Services MIB to screen subscriber
>    packets for IP, TCP, and UDP characteristics. It is expected that 
> any
>    implementation of this MIB also include at least the following from
>    RFC 3289:
>
>    o    diffServDataPathTable

I am not sure why this table is needed. Be aware that this table has
ifDerection, but the direction as such is not equal as used here.
Here we have 'upstream/downstream'. As a result or we need to specify
a mapping here, or we can directly use the 'diffServDataPathStart'
mechanism to add in the MIB here defined the RowPointer that points
to an diffSrvrClfrEntry.

>    o    diffServClfrTable
>    o    diffServClfrElementTable
>    o    diffServMultiFieldClfrTable
>    o    diffServActionTable
>    o    diffServCountActTable
>    o    diffServAlgDropTable (diffServAlgDropType=alwaysDrop)
>
>    The corresponding "next-free" objects are also required.
>
>    The use of other facilities from RFC 3289 is not precluded, but is
>    beyond the scope of this specification.
>
> 2.3.1. Using the Filter Group to Extend Packet Classification
>
>    The base capability of RFC 3289 assumes that all packets on the same
>    direction of the same interface will be classified by the same
>    criteria. Filter Groups, introduced in this document, expand on RFC
>    3289 to allow various subscribers to receive different 
> classification
>    (filtering) treatment. One way to view filter groups is as sub-
>    interfaces within the physical DOCSIS channel. Another way to view
>    them is as values of a field logically prepended to the packet prior
>    to classification:
>
>    [filter group][docsis MAC header][IP header]...
>
>    Of course this 'logical' field has no existence outside of the CMTS.
>
>    The diffServClfrTable and diffServClfrElementTable are then used
>    twice: the first classifiers select among filter groups, using OIDs
>    from docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable. The 'next' action on matching a
>    filter group is to select a diffServClfrEntry which now classifies 
> on
>    IP/TCP/UDP criteria (the diffServMultiFieldClfrTable_.  The 'next'
>    action on this second match may be a 'count' (and accept), a 'drop',
>    or some other feature from RFC 3289.

IMHO, the approach described here as filtering needs to be move to
the introduction where one speaks of 'filtering'. There is no
need to specify the managed objects then, but just the approach,
which is [filter group][docsis MAC header][IP header]...
It will clarify way more (as a non DOCSIS expert) and guides the
reader towards what is accomplished.

>
> 2.3.2. Interface Usage
>
>    For purposes of DOCSIS subscriber management, only the DOCSIS MAC
>    cable interface(s) are used. The interface appears as the index to
>    diffServDataPathEntry, which is the starting point for diffserv MIB
>    table traversal.

Somehow one can figure it out, but since there is a mismatch by the
words/terms used the mapping 'egress/ingress' to 'down/upstream'
needs to be defined.

>    The use of the diffserv MIB for other purposes, both on the DOCSIS
>    MAC interfaces and on other network interfaces, is not precluded by
>    this document.
>
> 2.4. Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack

[snip]
Is this section not for the security consideration??

> 3. Definitions
>
>    DOCS-IETF-SUBMGT-MIB  DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN

In this MIB module I would format the DESCRIPTIONs a bit better, by
adding emtpy lines between pieces of text. Now it is sometimes a bit
difficult to read.

Also sometimes object directly define what each value means, but not
a small generic description of the object itself. For instance,
docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is a good example of this.

>    IMPORTS
>            InetAddressType,
>            InetAddress
>                    FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB

Needs a normative reference of the RFC 2851 of the imported MIB.

>        DESCRIPTION
>            "This is the CMTS centric subscriber management MIB for
>        DOCSIS compliant CMTS.

Maybe extend it a bit more.

>    docsSubMgtCpeControlTable OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  SEQUENCE OF DocsSubMgtCpeControlEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "This table AUGMENTs the docsIfCmtsCmStatusTable and adds

The 'and' makes it look like it is doing two things, but it is infact 
doing
1 thing, 'AUGMENTING a table with 4 objects'

>        four WRITEable objects which reflect the state of subscriber
>        management on a particular CM."
>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 1 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeControlEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  DocsSubMgtCpeControlEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "A row in the docsSubMgtCpeControlTable.  All values are set
>        at successful modem registration, either from the system 
> default,
>        or from objects included in the DOCSIS registration request sent
>        upstream to the CMTS from the CM. The contents of this entry are
>        meaningless unless the corresponding docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue is
>        registrationComplete(6). The persistence of this row is
>        determined solely by the lifespan of the corresponding
>        docsIfCmtsCmStatusEntry (normally StorageType=volatile)."
>        AUGMENTS { docsIfCmtsCmStatusEntry }

Since 'docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue' is not imported a REFERENCE would
be usefull in order to find that object.

>        ::= {docsSubMgtCpeControlTable 1 }

>    docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  Integer32(0..2147483647)
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The number of simultaneous IP addresses permitted behind
>        the CM. If this is set to zero, all CPE traffic from the CM is
>        dropped.  If the provisioning object corresponding to
>        docsSubMgtCpeIpTable includes more CPE IP address entries for
>        this modem than the value of this object, then this object is
>        set to the count of the number of rows in docsSubMgtCpeIpTable
>        that have the same docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex value.

The above sentence is hardly to understand and I believe it
just want to express that "the value equals the amount of rows
in docsSubMgtCpeIpTable that have the same docsIfCmtsCmStatusIndex 
value"

> (E.g. if the
>        CM has 5 IP addresses specified for it, this value is 5). This
>        limit applies to learned and docsis-provisioned entries, but
>        does not limit entries added through some administrative
>        process at the CMTS. If not set through DOCSIS provisioning,
>        this object defaults to docsSubMgtCpeMaxIpDefault. Note that
>        this object is only meaningful if docsSubMgtCpeControlActive
>        is true."

Is a DEF-VAL not useful. I am only not sure how this can be done.
DEF-VAL does not allow a reference to a value. :-((

>        ::= { docsSubMgtCpeControlEntry 1 }

>    docsSubMgtCpeControlLearnable OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  TruthValue
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "If this is set to true, the CMTS may learn up to
>        docsSubMgtMaxCpeIp addresses (less any DOCSIS-provisioned
>        entries) related to this CM.  Those IP addresses are added (by
>        internal process) to the docsSubMgtCpeIpTable. The nature of the
>        learning mechanism is not specified here.

IMHO, '(by internal process)' is also part of the 'The nature ...'
As a result it is redundant and maybe deleted.

>  If not set through
>        DOCSIS provisioning, this object defaults to
>        docsSubMgtCpeLearnableDefault. Note that this object is only
>        meaningful if docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true."
>        ::= { docsSubMgtCpeControlEntry 3 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeControlReset OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  TruthValue
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "This object always returns false on read.  If this object 
> is
>        set to true, the rows with  'learned' addresses in
>        docsSubMgtCpeIpTable for this CM are deleted from that table."

Does this count for all addreses 'learned' or only those addresse 
'learned'
to which this augmented entry applies.
Maybe usefull to specify.

>        ::= { docsSubMgtCpeControlEntry 4 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeControlLastReset OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  TimeStamp
>        MAX-ACCESS read-only
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The value of sysUpTime when docsSubMgtCpeControlReset was
>        last set true. Zero if never reset."

DEF-VAL { 0 }

>        ::= { docsSubMgtCpeControlEntry 5 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeMaxIpDefault OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  Integer32(0..2147483647)
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The default value for docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp if not
>        signaled in the DOCSIS Registration request. Upon initial CMTS
>        initialization, this defaults to 16."

Use "DEF-VAL { 16 }" to indicate the 'this defaults to 16' the text is
redundant then.

>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 2 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeActiveDefault OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  TruthValue
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The default value for docsSubMgtCpeControlActive if not
>        signaled in the DOCSIS Registration request. Upon initial CMTS
>        initialization, this defaults to false."

DEF-VAL { false }

>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 3 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeLearnableDefault OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  TruthValue
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The default value for docsSubMgtCpeControlLearnable if not
>        signaled in the DOCSIS Registration request. Upon initial CMTS
>        initialization, this defaults to true."

DEF-VAL { true }

>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 4 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCpeIpTable OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX      SEQUENCE OF DocsSubMgtCpeIpEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>        STATUS      current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "A table of CPE IP addresses known on a per CM basis."
>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 5 }


>    docsSubMgtCmFilterTable OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  SEQUENCE OF DocsSubMgtCmFilterEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Binds filter groups to modems. This table identifies for
>        each modem the upstream and downstream filter groups that apply
>        to packets for that modem. Zero is used as a distinguished value
>        to mean no filter group."

'Zero ....group.' makes no sense to me here.

>        ::= { docsSubMgtObjects 6 }
>
>    docsSubMgtCmFilterEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  DocsSubMgtCmFilterEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Binds a filter group to each direction of traffic for a
>        modem. The filters in this entry apply if
>        docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true. The contents of this entry
>        are meaningless unless the corresponding

Since 'docsIfCmtsCmStatusValue' is not imported a REFERENCE would
be usefull in order to find that object.

>        is registrationComplete(6). The persistence of this row is
>        determined solely by the lifespan of the corresponding
>        docsIfCmtsCmStatusEntry (normally StorageType=volatile)."
>        AUGMENTS { docsIfCmtsCmStatusEntry }
>        ::= {docsSubMgtCmFilterTable 1 }
>
>
>    docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  Integer32(0..2147483647)
>        MAX-ACCESS read-write
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The filter group applied to traffic destined for 
> subscribers
>        attached to the referenced CM.  This is set upon row creation to
>        either zero (use default classification), or to the value in the

What is considered default classification? (Also for 
docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream,
docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream, docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream)

>    docsSubMgtFilterGroupTable OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  SEQUENCE OF DocsSubMgtFilterGroupEntry
>        MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Provides a collection of OIDs to which
>        diffServClfrElementSpecific refers. This table provides filter
>        group indices which can be compared with those signaled during
>        Docsis registration. A packet matches an entry from this table
>        if the packet originated from or is destined to a cable modem
>        which registered this index as one of its four filter groups
>        (see docsSubMgtCmFilterTable) and if the packet direction and
>        MAC address select the use of this index among the four."

I am not seeing the use of this table and seems to me connected in
a strange way to the diffServClfrElementEntry. It speaks of a 
collection of
OIDs, but the table has only Integer. This is confusing.

Not sure, yet what the best way is in order to change this table.
(I am thinking about it, but any extra explaination of the
auther could enlighten it for me).

Some option, I am thinking of deleting this table, use the 
diffServClfrTable
directly and change the docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream, 
docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream,
docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream, docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream into 
RowPointers.
That table would then function like the diffServDataPathTable.

>    docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex OBJECT-TYPE
>        SYNTAX  Integer32(0..2147483647)
>        MAX-ACCESS read-only
>        STATUS  current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Provides an OID to which diffServClfrElementSpecific

Why using the SYNTAX-TYPE Interger32? I would believe this must be an
RowPointer.

>        refers. A packet matches this entry if the packet's cable modem
>        registered this index value as one of its four filter groups
>        and if the packet direction and MAC address select the use of
>        this index among the four.

Not sure, but is here a pointer to the 'diffServClfrElementSpecific'
what is needed followed

> Because this is the only field in
>        this table, it is read-only, contrary to the usual SNMP custom
>        of making indices not-accessible."

Cool, this is usefull. Many would ask 'Why?'.

>        ::= { docsSubMgtFilterGroupEntry 1 }
>
>
>    docsSubMgtBasicCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE

Would be the creation of a 'FullCompliance' and 'ReadOnlyCompliance'
make sense?

>
>

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Colleagues --

As those of you who saw the recent announcement on the IETF-Announce
list will know, instead of getting rechartered and reactivated the
ifmib WG got closed down.  That leaves the IF-MIB (RFC 2863) at
Draft Standard and the IF-INVERTED-STACK-MIB (RFC 2864) at Proposed
Standard.

It occurred to me that a useful interim step would be to collect the
implementation reports needed to advance RFC 2864 to Draft Standard,
and I have volunteered to do just that.  So, if you or your
organization has implemented the IF-INVERTED-STACK-MIB, I would
appreciate it if you would fill out the following template and
return it to me.  If you would prefer that your company's name not
be made public, please so indicate and its name will be omitted from
the public version of the implementation report (although it must be
disclosed to the IESG in order for the data to be included).

Note that the template below is intended to evaluate conformance
to the ifInvCompliance compliance statement, and consequently
requests information not only on the ifInvStackTable but also
on the ifStackTable and ifStackLastChange, which are defined in
IF-MIB.  Since ifInvCompliance does not have an OBJECT clause
that specifies a MIN-ACCESS of read-only for ifStackStatus, it
would be of particular interest to hear of implementations that
actually provide read-create access to that object.

In the template below please fill in the items in angle brackets
and if the information is available please attach the results of
a MIB dump of ifStackStatus, ifStackTable, and ifInvStackTable
(cf. RFC 2438).  I will put together a summary of the information
that is received and forward it to the IESG.

Regards,

Mike Heard

=================================================================
Vendor implementation report for RFC 2864 (IF-INVERTED-STACK-MIB)
Evaluation of compliance statement ifInvCompliance

Legend: yes - implemented,
        no  - not implemented,
        ro  - implemented as read-only

Vendor                             <vendor name>

info as of                         <date>

ifInvStackGroup (this module)
  ifInvStackStatus                 <yes|no>

ifStackGroup2 (IF-MIB)
  ifStackStatus                    <yes|no|ro>
  ifStackLastChange                <yes|no>

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Hi Natalia,
 
Attached is draft v7 of the rf mib, intended to update draft v6 for the next
6 month period. Would you mind taking the necessary steps to perform the
upgrade?
 
For the Docsis community, there are outstanding questions regarding some of
the proposed objects. This has resulted in changes related to these objects
being delayed until v8. In additoon to the mib, the attached zip file
contains a document listing all proposed changes to the mib and their
implementation status.
 
Thanks,
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt'>Attached is
draft v7 of the rf mib, intended to update draft v6 for the next 6 =
month period.
Would you mind taking the necessary steps to perform the =
upgrade?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt'>For the Docsis
community, there are outstanding questions regarding some of the =
proposed
objects. This has resulted in changes related to these objects being =
delayed until
v8. In additoon to the mib, the attached zip file contains a document =
listing all
proposed changes to the mib and their implementation =
status.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
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an></font></span></p>

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Jean, Gordon,

 Requesting clarifications on the below issues.

1.The MIB pktcSigDevToneFreqType describes how the frequencies are applied.
For "allFrequenciesModulated(4)" it does not specify the type of modulation
used, i.e. is it amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, phase
modulation?? Please clarify the type of modulation be used here.  

2. In pktcSigDevToneType, is the "alerting signal(29)" the CAS tone used in
off hook caller ID?   If yes, then is this alerting signal used for both off
hook North American caller ID AND European Caller ID (assuming Euro-CID is
supported)? Please clarify.

3. Suugestion to change the description of the MIB pktcSigDevToneSteady for
clarity. 

CURRENT: This is the steady tone. Set to true to continue the last tone
after on-off sequence.
PROPOSED: This is the steady tone. Device has to playout the on-off sequence
for pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount times and then apply the last tone
forever.    

Comments please 

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

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Bert Wijnen and Joergen Schoenwaelder made the point that I may have
unintentionally excluded the ipv4z address type (see RFC 3291) from an
ipv4-only compliance statement for the Docsis subscriber-management MIB.

The use of InetAddressType calls for consistency across the Docsis MIBs.
I ask that the other MIB authors, in particular, look into this and post
your thoughts to the list.

At present, the subscriber management MIB permits the representation of
any InetAddressType, but its compliance statement only requires ipv4. It
does not require support for ipv4z. I'm inclined to believe that ipv4z
addresses, while they might be a legitimate part of a docsis
environment, shouldn't be required for basic compliance. But consistency
with other Docsis MIBs, as well as the general opinion of the WG, are
more important than my inclinations.

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FYI

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>>>>> Wijnen, Bert (Bert) writes:

Bert> ok, thanks, I'll go with it.

Bert> 2578 speaks of "scalar objects dynamically created by an agent"
Bert> - I'm not sure what means.

I remember quite some discussions around this topic that lead to this
wonderful sentence. In essence, the idea was that you can have a
DEFVAL for scalars that do not necessarily exist all the time and
which might come and go dynamically. You can of course take the
position that all (scalar) objects are somehow "dynamically created
by an agent" and in fact there is no real borderline.

Anyway, here are the technical facts as I see them:

- SMIv2 permits to have a DEFVAL clause so parsers should be able
  to accept/handle them.
- Code generating backends should expect and handle to DEFVALs
  for scalars.
- Implementations that only use DEFVAL hints for tables are fine
  to ignore any DEFVALs for scalars.
- From the pure MIB readers point of view, using DEFVAL to specify
  a default value should be fine (and actually more compact than
  a sentence in the DESCRIPTION clause.

/js

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On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 10:34:58PM +0200, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:

> in document draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt you will
> find (in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE):
> 
>    OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage."
> 
> Do we believe this makes sense and is wise?
> I have my doubts. There is nothing illegal here, but it feels
> strange to me, no?

Perhaps the boxes in question only have non-volatile memory and 
no good old volatile ram anymore...  It kind of looks strange since 
one would expect volatile(2) but you really have to ask the WG what 
they indended to achieve.

/js

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Bert, Wilson, et all,=20

It may sound strange requiring only non-volatile RAM, It does not mean
that the box has no volatile RAM.
The intention is that all entries created in this table will persist if
CMTS reboots. For an operator POV non-persistent entries in the
subcriber Management tables are unlikely.=20

It may lead to a simplified management policy to maintain an even CMTS
configuration across the system under the premise of long time btw
reboots in CMTSes which handles a local configuration, rather than a
centralized boot process.=20

That's not far from the RFC 3289 requirement itself in all objects.
e.g
    OBJECT       diffServDataPathStorage
    MIN-ACCESS   read-only
    DESCRIPTION
       "Write access is not required."

The above COMPLIANCE combined with DEFVAL 'nonVolatile', I believe means
a CLI propietary configuration management and the MIB as only a
reporting tool.

In the other side to move to a more active SNMP configuration, I believe
the Author (Wilson) is extending the origina subscriber management
intention to the DIFF-SERV related tables.=20


What is not clear to me is combining both MIB compliances,=20
Does DOCS-IETF-SUBMGT-MIB  COMPLIANCE statements clearly overrides the
RFC3289 ? Instead of compliemnt then ?

A Compliance from subscriber Management=20

 OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
       SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
       DESCRIPTION
           "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
            storage."

( the above should be the requirement )=20


A Wrong combined COMPLIANCE interpretation for Subscriber Management

 OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
       SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
       MIN-ACCESS read-only=20
       DESCRIPTION
           "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
            storage.Write access is not required."


Proposed edits:
Remove the comments : "-- same as RFC3289"
Could be confusing...

Compare=20

RFC 3289
   OBJECT       diffServAlgDropStatus
    SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
    MIN-ACCESS   read-only
    DESCRIPTION
       "Write access is not required, and active is the only status that
       needs to be supported."

SUBMGT-MIB
   OBJECT diffServAlgDropStatus  -- same as RFC3289
       SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1) }
       WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
       DESCRIPTION
           "Support for createAndWait and notInService is not required."



   docsSubMgtBasicCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
       STATUS      current
       DESCRIPTION
           "The compliance statement for CMTS devices that implement
       CMTS centric subscriber management. This COMPLIANCES are
       required rather than RFC3289 "


Eduardo

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]=20
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:59 AM
To: Ipcdn (E-mail)
Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Sanity check on StorageType


FYI

Thanks,
Bert=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de]
Sent: maandag 15 september 2003 13:20
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Cc: Mreview (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Sanity check on StorageType


On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 10:34:58PM +0200, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:

> in document draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt you will find (in=20
> the MODULE-COMPLIANCE):
>=20
>    OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage."
>=20
> Do we believe this makes sense and is wise?
> I have my doubts. There is nothing illegal here, but it feels strange=20
> to me, no?

Perhaps the boxes in question only have non-volatile memory and=20
no good old volatile ram anymore...  It kind of looks strange since=20
one would expect volatile(2) but you really have to ask the WG what=20
they indended to achieve.

/js

--=20
Juergen Schoenwaelder		    International University Bremen
<http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	    P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen,
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Eduardo - my understanding is that the compliance statements are independent: 
an implementation may claim submgt compliance, RFC3289 compliance, or both.

I suspect that RFC3289 compliance may be a gimme if the device meets submgt 
compliance, but I don't think we really care. I would be surprised, for 
example, if CableLabs would want to test for diffServMIBCompliances.

The submgt mib includes compliance statements referencing 3289 objects because 
the diffServMIBCompliances are not strong enough to support the required 
submgt management functions.

I included the "--same as RFC3289" comments because the two compliance 
statements are not assumed to be combined: submgt has to stand on its own. For 
the particular "same as" objects, I thought it helpful to indicate that submgt 
wasn't carving out special exemptions for these objects, just propagating them 
from 3289 where they made sense.

Regards,
Wilson
> Bert, Wilson, et all, 
> 
> It may sound strange requiring only non-volatile RAM, It does not mean
> that the box has no volatile RAM.
> The intention is that all entries created in this table will persist if
> CMTS reboots. For an operator POV non-persistent entries in the
> subcriber Management tables are unlikely. 
> 
> It may lead to a simplified management policy to maintain an even CMTS
> configuration across the system under the premise of long time btw
> reboots in CMTSes which handles a local configuration, rather than a
> centralized boot process. 
> 
> That's not far from the RFC 3289 requirement itself in all objects.
> e.g
>     OBJECT       diffServDataPathStorage
>     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>     DESCRIPTION
>        "Write access is not required."
> 
> The above COMPLIANCE combined with DEFVAL 'nonVolatile', I believe means
> a CLI propietary configuration management and the MIB as only a
> reporting tool.
> 
> In the other side to move to a more active SNMP configuration, I believe
> the Author (Wilson) is extending the origina subscriber management
> intention to the DIFF-SERV related tables. 
> 
> 
> What is not clear to me is combining both MIB compliances, 
> Does DOCS-IETF-SUBMGT-MIB  COMPLIANCE statements clearly overrides the
> RFC3289 ? Instead of compliemnt then ?
> 
> A Compliance from subscriber Management 
> 
>  OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage."
> 
> ( the above should be the requirement ) 
> 
> 
> A Wrong combined COMPLIANCE interpretation for Subscriber Management
> 
>  OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        MIN-ACCESS read-only 
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage.Write access is not required."
> 
> 
> Proposed edits:
> Remove the comments : "-- same as RFC3289"
> Could be confusing...
> 
> Compare 
> 
> RFC 3289
>    OBJECT       diffServAlgDropStatus
>     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
>     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>     DESCRIPTION
>        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status that
>        needs to be supported."
> 
> SUBMGT-MIB
>    OBJECT diffServAlgDropStatus  -- same as RFC3289
>        SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1) }
>        WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Support for createAndWait and notInService is not required."
> 
> 
> 
>    docsSubMgtBasicCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
>        STATUS      current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The compliance statement for CMTS devices that implement
>        CMTS centric subscriber management. This COMPLIANCES are
>        required rather than RFC3289 "
> 
> 
> Eduardo
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:59 AM
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Sanity check on StorageType
> 
> 
> FYI
> 
> Thanks,
> Bert 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de]
> Sent: maandag 15 september 2003 13:20
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: Mreview (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Sanity check on StorageType
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 10:34:58PM +0200, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> 
> > in document draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt you will find (in 
> > the MODULE-COMPLIANCE):
> > 
> >    OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
> >        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
> >        DESCRIPTION
> >            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
> >             storage."
> > 
> > Do we believe this makes sense and is wise?
> > I have my doubts. There is nothing illegal here, but it feels strange 
> > to me, no?
> 
> Perhaps the boxes in question only have non-volatile memory and 
> no good old volatile ram anymore...  It kind of looks strange since 
> one would expect volatile(2) but you really have to ask the WG what 
> they indended to achieve.
> 
> /js
> 
> -- 
> Juergen Schoenwaelder		    International University Bremen
> <http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	    P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen,
> Germany
> 
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Wilson,=20

Thanks for the clarification, Sorry I overlooked the two sections in
diff-serv MIB diffServMIBReadOnlyCompliance vs
diffServMIBFullCompliance,

Thanks

Eduardo

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: sawyerwd@comcast.net [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Eduardo Cardona
Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Ipcdn (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] FW: Sanity check on StorageType


Eduardo - my understanding is that the compliance statements are
independent:=20
an implementation may claim submgt compliance, RFC3289 compliance, or
both.

I suspect that RFC3289 compliance may be a gimme if the device meets
submgt=20
compliance, but I don't think we really care. I would be surprised, for=20
example, if CableLabs would want to test for diffServMIBCompliances.

The submgt mib includes compliance statements referencing 3289 objects
because=20
the diffServMIBCompliances are not strong enough to support the required

submgt management functions.

I included the "--same as RFC3289" comments because the two compliance=20
statements are not assumed to be combined: submgt has to stand on its
own. For=20
the particular "same as" objects, I thought it helpful to indicate that
submgt=20
wasn't carving out special exemptions for these objects, just
propagating them=20
from 3289 where they made sense.

Regards,
Wilson
> Bert, Wilson, et all,
>=20
> It may sound strange requiring only non-volatile RAM, It does not mean

> that the box has no volatile RAM. The intention is that all entries=20
> created in this table will persist if CMTS reboots. For an operator=20
> POV non-persistent entries in the subcriber Management tables are=20
> unlikely.
>=20
> It may lead to a simplified management policy to maintain an even CMTS

> configuration across the system under the premise of long time btw=20
> reboots in CMTSes which handles a local configuration, rather than a=20
> centralized boot process.
>=20
> That's not far from the RFC 3289 requirement itself in all objects.=20
> e.g
>     OBJECT       diffServDataPathStorage
>     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>     DESCRIPTION
>        "Write access is not required."
>=20
> The above COMPLIANCE combined with DEFVAL 'nonVolatile', I believe=20
> means a CLI propietary configuration management and the MIB as only a=20
> reporting tool.
>=20
> In the other side to move to a more active SNMP configuration, I=20
> believe the Author (Wilson) is extending the origina subscriber=20
> management intention to the DIFF-SERV related tables.
>=20
>=20
> What is not clear to me is combining both MIB compliances,
> Does DOCS-IETF-SUBMGT-MIB  COMPLIANCE statements clearly overrides the
> RFC3289 ? Instead of compliemnt then ?
>=20
> A Compliance from subscriber Management
>=20
>  OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage."
>=20
> ( the above should be the requirement )
>=20
>=20
> A Wrong combined COMPLIANCE interpretation for Subscriber Management
>=20
>  OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
>        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
>        MIN-ACCESS read-only=20
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "An implementation is only required to support nonvolatile
>             storage.Write access is not required."
>=20
>=20
> Proposed edits:
> Remove the comments : "-- same as RFC3289"
> Could be confusing...
>=20
> Compare
>=20
> RFC 3289
>    OBJECT       diffServAlgDropStatus
>     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
>     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>     DESCRIPTION
>        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status
that
>        needs to be supported."
>=20
> SUBMGT-MIB
>    OBJECT diffServAlgDropStatus  -- same as RFC3289
>        SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1) }
>        WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "Support for createAndWait and notInService is not=20
> required."
>=20
>=20
>=20
>    docsSubMgtBasicCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
>        STATUS      current
>        DESCRIPTION
>            "The compliance statement for CMTS devices that implement
>        CMTS centric subscriber management. This COMPLIANCES are
>        required rather than RFC3289 "
>=20
>=20
> Eduardo
>=20
> =20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:59 AM
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject: [ipcdn] FW: Sanity check on StorageType
>=20
>=20
> FYI
>=20
> Thanks,
> Bert
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de]
> Sent: maandag 15 september 2003 13:20
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: Mreview (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Sanity check on StorageType
>=20
>=20
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 10:34:58PM +0200, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
>=20
> > in document draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-12.txt you will find (in
> > the MODULE-COMPLIANCE):
> >=20
> >    OBJECT diffServDataPathStorage
> >        SYNTAX StorageType { nonVolatile(3) }
> >        DESCRIPTION
> >            "An implementation is only required to support
nonvolatile
> >             storage."
> >=20
> > Do we believe this makes sense and is wise?
> > I have my doubts. There is nothing illegal here, but it feels=20
> > strange
> > to me, no?
>=20
> Perhaps the boxes in question only have non-volatile memory and
> no good old volatile ram anymore...  It kind of looks strange since=20
> one would expect volatile(2) but you really have to ask the WG what=20
> they indended to achieve.
>=20
> /js
>=20
> --=20
> Juergen Schoenwaelder		    International University Bremen
> <http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	    P.O. Box 750 561, 28725
Bremen,
> Germany
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So you believe that InterfaceIndexOrZero is bad?
Oh well...

Anyway, for the one for IPCDN, we can probably do ...OrNone
and specify that zero means NONE.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ah_smith@acm.org]
> Sent: maandag 15 september 2003 21:24
> To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
> Cc: 'Ipcdn (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> Yes but "quite common" does not necessarily mean "good". 
> 
> In this case, I fail to see the point of defining the TC - I 
> would argue
> that it actually provides negative benefit since it gives the illusion
> that the semantics are identical for all places where the TC is used
> when, in fact, they are not.
> 
> And, as I wrote below, any TC whose name ends "...OrZero" is 
> suspect, in
> my opinion. "...OrNone" is much more helpful.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:59 AM
> To: 'Murwin William-LWM008 '
> Cc: 'Andrew Smith '; Wijnen, Bert (Bert); 'Ipcdn (E-mail)'
> Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> Some (good) feedback on the use of VLANID.
> Can we get some answers and or discussion on this?
> 
> Andrew, allowing users of a TC to spcify what one specific 
> value means is quite common, specifically for TCs that
> end in xxxOrZero or xxxOrNone, pls see the many TCs
> we have defined that way.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bert 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ah_smith@acm.org]
> Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 22:40
> To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; 'Bridge-Mib (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> Bert,
> 
> It seems pointless to me to define a TC where any module that uses it
> MUST (or even MAY) add special semantics to one or more of the values.
> Why then bother defining the TC at all? We should either 
> define what the
> special "none" value is, including its semantics, in the TC definition
> or else not define any such TC. I also don't think that the name
> "...OrZero" is very helpful: the name should give a hint as to the
> semantics, not the syntax, even for a TC name.
> 
> N.B. if what IPCDN wants to do is identify the 
> "priority-tagged" frames
> permitted by 802.1D/802.1Q (that is frames that carry user_priority
> information but no relevant VLAN information) then that should be
> handled in one of 2 ways: (a) add 0 as a valid value for VlanId or
> VlanIdOrAny or (b) define separate VlanIdOrPriorityOnly and/or
> VlanIdOrAnyOrPriorityOnly TCs with ranges (0 | 1..4094) and/or (0 |
> 1..4094 | 4095) respectively [but I thought in the bridge-mib list
> discussions previously, we'd decided that there was no requirement for
> the priority-tagged semantics, no?].
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org [mailto:bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> Not sure if they need it or not, but it would be to
> indicate "wildcard", not "none"
> 
> Thanks,
> Bert 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
> > Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 10:55
> > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > 
> > 
> > So, I guess that the IPCDN people do not need 4095. 
> > 
> > Otherwise, it looks OK to me. 
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > > Sent: 07 September, 2003 10:29 AM
> > > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > > Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It seems that in IPCDN, some people would like
> > > to see yet another TC, namely:
> > > 
> > >     VlanIdOrZero      ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> > >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> > >         STATUS        current
> > >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> > > 
> > >                       The value zero is NOT a valid VLAN ID. 
> > >                       
> > >                       When this textual convention is used as the
> > >                       syntax of an object, the object definition
> > >                       MUST specify in the DESCRIPTION clause what
> > >                       the value zero means.
> > >                      "
> > >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (0 | 1..4094)
> > > 
> > > Does anyone see a problem with that?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bert 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > > Sent: vrijdag 5 september 2003 0:48
> > > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So... nobody has reacted to my request for
> > > writeup. So I am preparing to do an ID myself.
> > > 
> > > This is what I think the discussion boiled down to.
> > > 
> > >     VlanId            ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> > >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> > >         STATUS        current
> > >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely 
> identifies a VLAN."
> > >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     VlanIdOrAny       ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> > >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> > >         STATUS        current
> > >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> > >                       The value of 4095 is used to indicate a 
> > > wildcard,
> > >                       i.e. any value.
> > >                      "
> > >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094 | 4095)
> > > 
> > > Any comments?
> > > 
> > > Bert
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Bridge-mib@ietf.org
> > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib
> > > 
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> > > 
> > 
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Yes but "quite common" does not necessarily mean "good". 

In this case, I fail to see the point of defining the TC - I would argue
that it actually provides negative benefit since it gives the illusion
that the semantics are identical for all places where the TC is used
when, in fact, they are not.

And, as I wrote below, any TC whose name ends "...OrZero" is suspect, in
my opinion. "...OrNone" is much more helpful.

Andrew


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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:59 AM
To: 'Murwin William-LWM008 '
Cc: 'Andrew Smith '; Wijnen, Bert (Bert); 'Ipcdn (E-mail)'
Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny


Some (good) feedback on the use of VLANID.
Can we get some answers and or discussion on this?

Andrew, allowing users of a TC to spcify what one specific 
value means is quite common, specifically for TCs that
end in xxxOrZero or xxxOrNone, pls see the many TCs
we have defined that way.

Thanks,
Bert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ah_smith@acm.org]
Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 22:40
To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; 'Bridge-Mib (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny


Bert,

It seems pointless to me to define a TC where any module that uses it
MUST (or even MAY) add special semantics to one or more of the values.
Why then bother defining the TC at all? We should either define what the
special "none" value is, including its semantics, in the TC definition
or else not define any such TC. I also don't think that the name
"...OrZero" is very helpful: the name should give a hint as to the
semantics, not the syntax, even for a TC name.

N.B. if what IPCDN wants to do is identify the "priority-tagged" frames
permitted by 802.1D/802.1Q (that is frames that carry user_priority
information but no relevant VLAN information) then that should be
handled in one of 2 ways: (a) add 0 as a valid value for VlanId or
VlanIdOrAny or (b) define separate VlanIdOrPriorityOnly and/or
VlanIdOrAnyOrPriorityOnly TCs with ranges (0 | 1..4094) and/or (0 |
1..4094 | 4095) respectively [but I thought in the bridge-mib list
discussions previously, we'd decided that there was no requirement for
the priority-tagged semantics, no?].

Andrew


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Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:14 AM
To: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny


Not sure if they need it or not, but it would be to
indicate "wildcard", not "none"

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
> Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 10:55
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> So, I guess that the IPCDN people do not need 4095. 
> 
> Otherwise, it looks OK to me. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > Sent: 07 September, 2003 10:29 AM
> > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > 
> > 
> > It seems that in IPCDN, some people would like
> > to see yet another TC, namely:
> > 
> >     VlanIdOrZero      ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> > 
> >                       The value zero is NOT a valid VLAN ID. 
> >                       
> >                       When this textual convention is used as the
> >                       syntax of an object, the object definition
> >                       MUST specify in the DESCRIPTION clause what
> >                       the value zero means.
> >                      "
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (0 | 1..4094)
> > 
> > Does anyone see a problem with that?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Bert 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 5 september 2003 0:48
> > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > Subject: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > 
> > 
> > So... nobody has reacted to my request for
> > writeup. So I am preparing to do an ID myself.
> > 
> > This is what I think the discussion boiled down to.
> > 
> >     VlanId            ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN."
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094)
> > 
> > 
> >     VlanIdOrAny       ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> >                       The value of 4095 is used to indicate a 
> > wildcard,
> >                       i.e. any value.
> >                      "
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094 | 4095)
> > 
> > Any comments?
> > 
> > Bert
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bridge-mib mailing list
> > Bridge-mib@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Bridge-mib@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib
> > 
> 

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Hi Satish,

Motorola's interpretation of the standards: ITU-T E.181 Supplemental 2 as well as AS/ACIF S002:2001 amendment 1, is that amplitude modulation is used.

We use the alerting signal(29) for both NA and European CID. There are slight differences  in the signal (e.g., I believe the European tone is louder and has a longer duration). I am not sure how you intend to implement this but the same signal could be used for both NA and European CID.

Gordon

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Subject: draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-Sigmib-01.txt clarifications


Jean, Gordon,

 Requesting clarifications on the below issues.

1.The MIB pktcSigDevToneFreqType describes how the frequencies are applied.
For "allFrequenciesModulated(4)" it does not specify the type of modulation
used, i.e. is it amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, phase
modulation?? Please clarify the type of modulation be used here.  

2. In pktcSigDevToneType, is the "alerting signal(29)" the CAS tone used in
off hook caller ID?   If yes, then is this alerting signal used for both off
hook North American caller ID AND European Caller ID (assuming Euro-CID is
supported)? Please clarify.

3. Suugestion to change the description of the MIB pktcSigDevToneSteady for
clarity. 

CURRENT: This is the steady tone. Set to true to continue the last tone
after on-off sequence.
PROPOSED: This is the steady tone. Device has to playout the on-off sequence
for pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount times and then apply the last tone
forever.    

Comments please 

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

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Folks,

I think I understand the case for omitting ipv4z from the IPCDN MIB
compliance statements:
- there is no native support for zoned IP addresses in the DOCSIS
environment, and
- omitting ipv4z makes it easier to build and test products for compliance
to these MIB.

What is the case for making ipv4z support mandatory???

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
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To: ipcdn@ietf.org
Cc: bwijnen@lucent.com; jf.mule@cablelabs.com
Subject: [ipcdn] use of ipv4z (zoned local) addresses across Docsis
MIBs?


Bert Wijnen and Joergen Schoenwaelder made the point that I may have
unintentionally excluded the ipv4z address type (see RFC 3291) from an
ipv4-only compliance statement for the Docsis subscriber-management MIB.

The use of InetAddressType calls for consistency across the Docsis MIBs.
I ask that the other MIB authors, in particular, look into this and post
your thoughts to the list.

At present, the subscriber management MIB permits the representation of
any InetAddressType, but its compliance statement only requires ipv4. It
does not require support for ipv4z. I'm inclined to believe that ipv4z
addresses, while they might be a legitimate part of a docsis
environment, shouldn't be required for basic compliance. But consistency
with other Docsis MIBs, as well as the general opinion of the WG, are
more important than my inclinations.

- Wilson Sawyer


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Rich,

What's the typical/expected usage of these addresses?  I could speculate but
would rather ask.

  -- Jim



On 9/17/03 11:09 AM, "Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I think I understand the case for omitting ipv4z from the IPCDN MIB
> compliance statements:
> - there is no native support for zoned IP addresses in the DOCSIS
> environment, and
> - omitting ipv4z makes it easier to build and test products for compliance
> to these MIB.
> 
> What is the case for making ipv4z support mandatory???
> 
> -- Rich
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson Sawyer [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:58 AM
> To: ipcdn@ietf.org
> Cc: bwijnen@lucent.com; jf.mule@cablelabs.com
> Subject: [ipcdn] use of ipv4z (zoned local) addresses across Docsis
> MIBs?
> 
> 
> Bert Wijnen and Joergen Schoenwaelder made the point that I may have
> unintentionally excluded the ipv4z address type (see RFC 3291) from an
> ipv4-only compliance statement for the Docsis subscriber-management MIB.
> 
> The use of InetAddressType calls for consistency across the Docsis MIBs.
> I ask that the other MIB authors, in particular, look into this and post
> your thoughts to the list.
> 
> At present, the subscriber management MIB permits the representation of
> any InetAddressType, but its compliance statement only requires ipv4. It
> does not require support for ipv4z. I'm inclined to believe that ipv4z
> addresses, while they might be a legitimate part of a docsis
> environment, shouldn't be required for basic compliance. But consistency
> with other Docsis MIBs, as well as the general opinion of the WG, are
> more important than my inclinations.
> 
> - Wilson Sawyer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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Let's look at RFC 3291 section 4.2:

   The InetAddressIPv4z is intended for use in MIBs (like the TCP-MIB)
   which report addresses in the address family used on the wire, but
   where the entity instrumented obtains such addresses from
   applications or administrators in a form which includes a zone index,
   such as v4-mapped IPv6 addresses.

I am struggling to see how we would mandate support for such zoned IPv4
addresses in CMs and CMTSs. Thoughts?

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [ipcdn] use of ipv4z (zoned local) addresses across Docsis
MI Bs?


Rich,

What's the typical/expected usage of these addresses?  I could speculate but
would rather ask.

  -- Jim



On 9/17/03 11:09 AM, "Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I think I understand the case for omitting ipv4z from the IPCDN MIB
> compliance statements:
> - there is no native support for zoned IP addresses in the DOCSIS
> environment, and
> - omitting ipv4z makes it easier to build and test products for compliance
> to these MIB.
> 
> What is the case for making ipv4z support mandatory???
> 
> -- Rich
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson Sawyer [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:58 AM
> To: ipcdn@ietf.org
> Cc: bwijnen@lucent.com; jf.mule@cablelabs.com
> Subject: [ipcdn] use of ipv4z (zoned local) addresses across Docsis
> MIBs?
> 
> 
> Bert Wijnen and Joergen Schoenwaelder made the point that I may have
> unintentionally excluded the ipv4z address type (see RFC 3291) from an
> ipv4-only compliance statement for the Docsis subscriber-management MIB.
> 
> The use of InetAddressType calls for consistency across the Docsis MIBs.
> I ask that the other MIB authors, in particular, look into this and post
> your thoughts to the list.
> 
> At present, the subscriber management MIB permits the representation of
> any InetAddressType, but its compliance statement only requires ipv4. It
> does not require support for ipv4z. I'm inclined to believe that ipv4z
> addresses, while they might be a legitimate part of a docsis
> environment, shouldn't be required for basic compliance. But consistency
> with other Docsis MIBs, as well as the general opinion of the WG, are
> more important than my inclinations.
> 
> - Wilson Sawyer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> IPCDN@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn
> 
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Here is a discussion about VLAN ID Textual Convetions recently had by Bert Wijnen and myself.
Bert is currently checking with the Birdge Mib,on proposing a "VlanOrNone" textual convention, where the DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB would use the syntax with range (0|1..4094).  

-Will

-----Original Message-----
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To: Murwin William-LWM008; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
Subject: RE: DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB vesion 9 -- VLAN ID


OK, so let me check with brdige mib and IEE folk if it is OK
with them to add this additional TC that I propose.
If so, then you can go ahead with a similar definition,
not yet using the TC if you do not want to be forced to
wait till a "still to be written ID" shows up.

At any later revision, your SYNTAX can then be replaced with
this potential TC, cause it has the same semantics and then
we're all in good shape.

You may want to post some of this discussion to the ipcdn
mailing list, so people understand/know what is going on.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 5 september 2003 17:59
> To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
> Subject: RE: DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB vesion 9 -- VLAN ID
> 
> 
> That correct Bert, I looking for a VLAN or None.
> (0 | 1..4094). That why we just had the syntax as being 
> (0..4094) with a
> description specifically saying that 0 is for when no VLAN 
> has been configured.
> 
> Will
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: Murwin William-LWM008; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Subject: RE: DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB vesion 9 -- VLAN ID
> 
> 
> I was going to come back on the VLAN ID
> > 3) Vlan 
> > 	I my previous emial to you we also discuss that 
> > currently there is no VlanIdOrAny Textual Convention. And the 
> > IEEE verbally as agreed to use -1 and 4095 to mean "Any Vlan".
> >
> At the other hand, there has been discussion on the mibs@ops.ietf.org
> and bridgemib mailing lists that people might want to be able to
> use the VlanIdOrAny as an index object and then negative values
> are no good.
> 
> So the current proposal looks more like:
> 
>     VlanId            ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
>         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
>         STATUS        current
>         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN."
>         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094)
> 
> 
>     VlanIdOrAny       ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
>         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
>         STATUS        current
>         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
>                       The value of 4095 is used to indicate a 
> wildcard,
>                       i.e. any value.
>                      "
>         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094 | 4095)
> 
> 
> > The DOCS-IETF-QOS-MIB is has the docsQosPktClassVlanId object
> > which reports the value in the file sent from CM to the CMTS.
> > This file may not even contain a Class Vlan Id, I.e. the
> > reason 0 was reported.
> >
> > My question to you is can we keep this object as is or
> > do we have to change the SYNTAX to (-1 | 1..4095) where 
> > -1 and 4095 could mean that this is not configured, 
> > because DOCSIS Specification does not have a concept of 
> > Any Vlan. We would be the only MIB that I know of that 
> > would be using this syntax and would be describing this 
> > -1 and 4095 to be "none" not "Any".
> > 
> 		
> > 
> > docsQosPktClassVlanId OBJECT-TYPE
> >     SYNTAX          Integer32 (0..4095)
> >     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
> >     STATUS          current
> >     DESCRIPTION    "This object applies only to Ethernet frames 
> >                     using the 802.1P/Q tag header.
> > 
> >                     If this object's value is nonzero, tagged
> >                     packets must have a VLAN Identifier that matches
> >                     the value in order to match the rule.
> > 
> >                     Only the least significant 12 bits of 
> this object's
> >                     value are valid. 
> > 
> I would remove this para. The range makes it such that the 
> values cannot
> exceed 12 bits.
> 
> >                     If the referenced parameter is not 
> present in the
> >                     classifier, the value of this object is 
> reported 
> >                     as 0.
> >                    "
> >     REFERENCE      "SP-RFIv1.1-I09-020830, Appendix C.2.1.7.2"
> >     ::= { docsQosPktClassEntry 24 }
> > 
> It sounds as if you might also want a
> 
>     VlanIdOrZero      ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
>         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
>         STATUS        current
>         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> 
>                       The value zero is NOT a valid VLAN ID. 
>                       
>                       When this textual convention is used as the
>                       syntax of an object, the object definition
>                       MUST specify in the DESCRIPTION clause what
>                       the value zero means.
>                      "
>         SYNTAX        Integer32 (0 | 1..4094)
> 
> Did I get that correct?
> 
> Bert
> 

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Some (good) feedback on the use of VLANID.
Can we get some answers and or discussion on this?

Andrew, allowing users of a TC to spcify what one specific 
value means is quite common, specifically for TCs that
end in xxxOrZero or xxxOrNone, pls see the many TCs
we have defined that way.

Thanks,
Bert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ah_smith@acm.org]
Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 22:40
To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; 'Bridge-Mib (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny


Bert,

It seems pointless to me to define a TC where any module that uses it
MUST (or even MAY) add special semantics to one or more of the values.
Why then bother defining the TC at all? We should either define what the
special "none" value is, including its semantics, in the TC definition
or else not define any such TC. I also don't think that the name
"...OrZero" is very helpful: the name should give a hint as to the
semantics, not the syntax, even for a TC name.

N.B. if what IPCDN wants to do is identify the "priority-tagged" frames
permitted by 802.1D/802.1Q (that is frames that carry user_priority
information but no relevant VLAN information) then that should be
handled in one of 2 ways: (a) add 0 as a valid value for VlanId or
VlanIdOrAny or (b) define separate VlanIdOrPriorityOnly and/or
VlanIdOrAnyOrPriorityOnly TCs with ranges (0 | 1..4094) and/or (0 |
1..4094 | 4095) respectively [but I thought in the bridge-mib list
discussions previously, we'd decided that there was no requirement for
the priority-tagged semantics, no?].

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:14 AM
To: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny


Not sure if they need it or not, but it would be to
indicate "wildcard", not "none"

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
> Sent: zondag 7 september 2003 10:55
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> 
> 
> So, I guess that the IPCDN people do not need 4095. 
> 
> Otherwise, it looks OK to me. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > Sent: 07 September, 2003 10:29 AM
> > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > 
> > 
> > It seems that in IPCDN, some people would like
> > to see yet another TC, namely:
> > 
> >     VlanIdOrZero      ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> > 
> >                       The value zero is NOT a valid VLAN ID. 
> >                       
> >                       When this textual convention is used as the
> >                       syntax of an object, the object definition
> >                       MUST specify in the DESCRIPTION clause what
> >                       the value zero means.
> >                      "
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (0 | 1..4094)
> > 
> > Does anyone see a problem with that?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Bert 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 5 september 2003 0:48
> > To: Bridge-Mib (E-mail)
> > Subject: [Bridge-mib] VlanID and VlanIDOrAny
> > 
> > 
> > So... nobody has reacted to my request for
> > writeup. So I am preparing to do an ID myself.
> > 
> > This is what I think the discussion boiled down to.
> > 
> >     VlanId            ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN."
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094)
> > 
> > 
> >     VlanIdOrAny       ::= TEXTUAL CONVENTION
> >         DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >         STATUS        current
> >         DESCRIPTION  "The VLAN ID that uniquely identifies a VLAN.
> >                       The value of 4095 is used to indicate a 
> > wildcard,
> >                       i.e. any value.
> >                      "
> >         SYNTAX        Integer32 (1..4094 | 4095)
> > 
> > Any comments?
> > 
> > Bert
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bridge-mib mailing list
> > Bridge-mib@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib
> > 
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> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib
> > 
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Folks,

We would like to start the working group last call for the DOCSIS BPI+
MIB, draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-11.txt.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-11.txt

The last call is scheduled to end on Tuesday September 9th.

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William,
Thank you, it seems OK.
Only one comment - docsQosServiceFlowOctets does not contain now:  
"CMs not classifying downstream packets may report this object's value as 0
for downstream service flows."
I agree that: "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC header HCS
to the end of the CRC for all packets counted in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts
object for this row." covers all the cases including DS. But from my POV to
tell this directly without reference to packet counter will be better.
Thanks.
Lucy

-----Original Message-----
From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:10 PM
To: 'Margo Dolas'; Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


I would like to thank all of you that have commented on the descriptions of
the  docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable objects. For those of you who have made
comments please responded back if your are satisfied with the descriptions
of these objects.

Here is the revised proposed text:

docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
	              number of Packet Data PDUs forwarded to this 
                    service flow. For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, 
                    this object counts the number of Packets Data PDUs 
		        actually received on the service flow identified by
the SID
		        for which the packet was scheduled.
                    CMs not classifying downstream packets
		        may report this object's value as 0 for downstream
service 
                    flows. This object does not count MAC-specific
                    management messages.
		
		        Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
                    primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant 
                    size should be counted only by the instance of this
object
		        that is associated with the primary service flow.
	            
		        Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non 
		        MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
		        service flow should be counted by the instance of
this 
		        object that is associated with the primary service
flow.

		        This object does include packets counted by 
                    docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not include
                    packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts 
	              and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }

docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter64
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC 
	              header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
counted 
                    in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. 
                    Note that this counts the octets after payload header
                    suppression and before payload header expansion has 
	              been applied. 

                    This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }


docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For CMTS incoming upstream service flows, this object
	              counts the number of packets received 
                    with an unknown payload header suppression index.
		        The service flow is identified by the SID for which
the 
		        packet was scheduled. 
		    
		        On a CM, only this object's instance for the primary

		        downstream service flow count packets received with
an 
		        unknown payload header suppression index. All other 
		        downstream service flows on CM report this objects
value 
		        as 0. 

		        All outgoing service flows report this object's
value as 0.

	              This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
number 
                    of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
                    service flow dropped due to:
	               (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay while
	                   enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate; or
		         (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the 
	                   Unsolicited Grant Size with a 
	                   Request/Transmission policy that requires such 
                         packets to be dropped.
	  
                    Classified packets dropped due to other reasons must be
	              counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this 
	              service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
service
                    flows.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }

docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX          Counter32
    MAX-ACCESS      read-only
    STATUS          current
    DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
order
	              to maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This 
                    object will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
                    because the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not 
                    apply. This object is 0 for incoming service flows.

		        This counter's last discontinuity is the 
	              ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that 
		        indexes this object."	
    ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }


Thanks,
Will

-----Original Message-----
From: Margo Dolas [mailto:mdolas@broadcom.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:13 PM
To: Pollak, Lucy; 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


William,

I believe that the intent of bringing up classifiers in the
docsQosServiceFlowPkts was to exclude the counting of packets
discarded due to rate shaping.  How about adding a phrase along those lines,
something like "... not discarded due to rate shaping" to the end of either
Greg or Minnie's suggested text?

With regards to PHSUnknowns on the downstream, I believe that if counted,
PHSUnknowns on the downstream must be counted on the primary flow, and
should be 0 for other flows.  I think that this is the only possible
implementation for the CM.  Besides the issues raised by Lucy, if the packet
is PHS suppressed and the PHS rule is unknown, it cannot be classified (the
data used for classification of the packet is suppressed), so it can't be
counted on the appropriate flow.  Perhaps the text can be clarified along
these lines?

Regards,
Margo

-----Original Message-----
From: ipcdn-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
Pollak, Lucy
Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2003 5:35 AM
To: 'Minnie Lu'; Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W.
Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William.
I also agree with Greg, but I have a serious objection on the next texts:
docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
...
                    For CMTS incoming upstream service
                    flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
PDUs received with
                    a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the service
flow."

docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
...
              "The number of packets received on the service flow
              with an unknown payload header suppression index for a service
flow
	        identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
packet or
              an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.

The "PDUs received with a SID in the DOCSIS header" seems incorrect. The
DOCSIS header is divided to MAC header and a number of extended headers.
Only extended piggyback header contains SID. But this is not the same SID
that packet itself by definition (see BPI spec). Moreover this header may or
may not be placed into packet as all other extended headers. Then upstream
packet can not be identified by DOCSIS header at all. I guess, that CMTS
scheduler, which assign grants to CMs and their SIDs can associate packet
with SID without the this addition in MIB text.
About PHS I have more objections. SAID in BPI headed has not any connection
to service flow. It may be primary/dynamic/static BPI SAID. How it may
identify Service Flow? I already 3 times asked how to implement
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns counter. CM, which does not classify DS
traffic can not report even docsQosServiceFlowPkts and
docsQosServiceFlowOctets. How such CM can report
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns, if packed may be even corrupted because of
unknown PHS? I proposed 2 solutions: or report 0 as for
docsQosServiceFlowPkts/docsQosServiceFlowOctets or report all
docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns packets into primary DS Service Flow. Both
will be acceptable.
Please, correct me if I am mistaken.
Thanks.
Lucy



-----Original Message-----
From: Minnie Lu [mailto:milu@cisco.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 AM
To: Greg White; Murwin William-LWM008
Cc: milu@cisco.com; Pollak, Lucy; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List; IPCDN
(E-mail) (E-mail); Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within
the docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable


Hi, William and Greg,

Thanks a lot for letting me review the text before submitting draft-09.
  I have some comments/questions.

1. docsQosServiceFlowPkts:
  I feel the same as Greg's comment.  Maybe I missed the discussion long
time ago and sorry to bring this up again.  First of all, I don't
understand why the word "classified" is needed.

   If the word "classified" is really needed, how about CMTS unclassified
DOWNSTREAM users data packets forwarded to the default DOWNSTREAM service
flow ?

2. docsQosServiceFlowOctets :
    You have already had
      "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
       header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets counted
      in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row. "

      Do you still need the following ? To me it is redundant.
      " CMs not classifying to a
         downstream service flow may report this object's
          value as 0 for downstream service flows."

      By the way, would you please take the description in  the
SP-RFIv2.0-I04-030730 C.2.2.5.5 Assumed Minimum Reserved Rate Packet Size
into consideration for the octets count ? Quoted as below.

      "If the Service Flow sends packets of a size smaller than this
specified value, such packets will be treated as being of the size
specified in this parameter for calculating the minimum Reserved Traffic
Rate and for calculating bytes counts (e.g., bytes transmitted) which may
ultimately be used for billing."

     This parameter could also be used by upstream according to the same
RFI spec section 10.2.7 Table 10-4.  For CMTS, this is related to how the
bytes counts for RECEIVING packets.

     Thanks a lot !
    Minnie



At 01:15 PM 8/15/2003 -0600, Greg White wrote:
>Hi William,
>
>Sorry if I missed the discussion on this item, but the following
>sentence in docsQosServiceFlowPkts doesn't make sense to me:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function.
>
>What would make more sense to me is the following:
>
>                     For outgoing service flows,
>                     this object counts the number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs forwarded on this
>                     service flow.
>
>
>
>
>Also, this is just an editorial item, but two paragraphs in the
>description of docsQosServiceFlowPkts use different terminology to mean
>the same thing:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only on the primary service
>                 flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>                 service flow.
>
>Perhaps it would be better to reword as:
>
>                 Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                 primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                 size should be counted only by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the primary upstream
>                     service flow should be counted by the instance of
>                 this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>Alternatively, the two paragraphs could be combined:
>
>                 Data packets sent on the primary upstream service flow
>                 without having been classified there (i.e. unclassified
>                 user data packets, or data packets that exceed a
>                 UGS grant size) should be counted only by the instance
>                 of this object that is associated with the primary
>                 service flow.
>
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to review the text before submitting
>draft-09.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murwin William-LWM008 [mailto:W.Murwin@motorola.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: 'milu@cisco.com'; 'Lucy.pollak@ti.com'; DOCSIS OSS Majordomo List;
>IPCDN (E-mail) (E-mail)
>Cc: Murwin William-LWM008; Michael W. Patrick (E-mail)
>Subject: [ipcdn] Proposed Draft 09 descriptions for objects within the
>docsQosServ iceFlowStatsTable
>
>
>Here is the proposed docsQosServiceFlowStatsTable object's descriptions
>for draft-ietf-ipcdn-qos-mib-09.txt.
>I would like to hash out any problem with these descriptions before
>submitting version 09. Please read thoroughly.
>Please respond if you have made comments in the past about these object
>and you now approve of these descriptions.
>I will be out of the office for a couple of days, but will respond to
>your comments as soon as I return:
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows,  this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow and forwarded beyond a service flow
>                     maximum rate policing function. For CMTS incoming
>upstream service
>                     flows, this object counts the number of Packets Data
>PDUs received with
>                     a SID in the DOCSIS header that identifies the
>service flow. CMs not classifying
>                     downstream packets may report this object's value as
>0 for downstream service flows.
>                 This object does not count MAC-specific
>                     management messages.
>
>                     Particularly for UGS flows, packets sent on the
>                     primary service flow in violation of the UGS grant
>                     size should be counted only on the primary service
>                     flow's counters.
>
>                     Unclassified upstream user data packets (i.e. non
>                     MAC-management) forwarded to the default upstream
>                     service flow should increment this object for that
>service flow.
>
>                     This object does include packets counted by
>                     docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts, but does not
>include
>                     packets counted by docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts
>
>                 and docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 1 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowOctets OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter64
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of octets from the byte after the MAC
>                     header HCS to the end of the CRC for all packets
>counted
>                     in the docsQosServiceFlowPkts object for this row.
>                     Note that this counts the octets after payload
>header
>                     suppression and before payload header expansion has
>                     been applied. CMs not classifying to a
>                     downstream service flow may report this object's
>                     value as 0 for downstream service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 2 }
>
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPHSUnknowns OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "The number of packets received on the service flow
>                     with an unknown payload header suppression index for
>a service flow
>                 identified by a SID in the DOCSIS Header of an upstream
>packet or
>                     an SAID in the downstream BPI Extended Header.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 5 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDropPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "For outgoing service flows, this object counts the
>number
>                     of Packet Data PDUs classified to this
>                     service flow dropped due to:
>                        (1) implementation-dependent excessive delay
>while
>                             enforcing the Maximum Sustained Traffic
>Rate; or
>                    (2) UGS packets dropped due to exceeding the
>                            Unsolicited Grant Size with a
>                            Request/Transmission policy that requires
>such
>                                packets to be dropped.
>
>                      Classified packets dropped due to other reasons
>must be
>                  counted in ifOutDiscards for interface of this
>                  service flow. This object reports 0 for incoming
>service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 6 }
>
>docsQosServiceFlowPolicedDelayPkts OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX          Counter32
>     MAX-ACCESS      read-only
>     STATUS          current
>     DESCRIPTION    "This object counts only outgoing packets delayed in
>order to
>                     maintain the Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate. This
>object
>                     will always report a value of 0 for UGS flows
>because the
>                     Maximum Sustained Traffic Rate does not apply.
>                         This object is 0 for incoming service flows.
>
>                     This counter's last discontinuity is the
>                     ifCounterDiscontinuityTime for same ifIndex that
>                     indexes this object."
>     ::= { docsQosServiceFlowStatsEntry 7 }
>
>______________________________
>William Murwin
>Broadband Communications Sector
>Motorola Inc.
>Email: W.Murwin@motorola.com
>Tel: (508) 851-8385
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Gordon,
 The description of the MIB "pktcSigPulseSignalType" and
"pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel" clearly indicates a dependency. 
pktcSigPulseSignalType is a Read-Write object takes the values
intialRing(1), meterPulse(2), reversePolarity(3), noBattery(4). 

The description of the MIB  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel says, 
"This object only applies if pktcSigPulseSignalType =
meterPulse. This is the decibel level at which the meter
pulse could be generated. Example:
pktcSigPulseSignalType	pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel
initialRing 				0 (not used)
meterPulse 				-135
reversePolarity 			0 (not used)
noBattery 				0 (not used)"

After the modem has come up, if the object "pktcSigPulseSignalType" is
dynamically SET to initialRing(1), should the MIB object
pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel be automatically updated with a value of 0?

The other way round, if the pktcSigPulseSignalType=initialRing and suppose
operator SET the MIB pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel to some value(say 100),
should the MTA reject this SET and store a value of 0? If this is not what
is expected, then, the MIB will be storing a value(the one performed by SET)
that is inconsistent with its description(0 unused). 

The following MIB's also have the same discrepancy mentioned above:
pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency
pktcSigDevCIDMode
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRing
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS
pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK
pktcSigDevCIDDTASAfterLR
pktcSigDevToneTable

Please clarify.

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

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Satish,

I'm sorry, I don't follow the issue here.

The description of the pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel object clearly states the object only applies when pktcSigPulseSignalType is meterPulse(2). The description also states that intialRing(1) does not use pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel.

I can remove "0" from the description example, and just leave the text "not used" if you prefer.

It seems to me it is an implementation issue as to whether the pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel is automatically set to 0. I don't see why an implementation would even examine the pktcSigPulseSignalType unless pktcSigPulseSignalType = meterPulse.

I will look at the other objects you mentioned shortly. Thanks.

Gordon


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Gordon,
 The description of the MIB "pktcSigPulseSignalType" and
"pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel" clearly indicates a dependency. 
pktcSigPulseSignalType is a Read-Write object takes the values
intialRing(1), meterPulse(2), reversePolarity(3), noBattery(4). 

The description of the MIB  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel says, 
"This object only applies if pktcSigPulseSignalType =
meterPulse. This is the decibel level at which the meter
pulse could be generated. Example:
pktcSigPulseSignalType	pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel
initialRing 				0 (not used)
meterPulse 				-135
reversePolarity 			0 (not used)
noBattery 				0 (not used)"

After the modem has come up, if the object "pktcSigPulseSignalType" is
dynamically SET to initialRing(1), should the MIB object
pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel be automatically updated with a value of 0?

The other way round, if the pktcSigPulseSignalType=initialRing and suppose
operator SET the MIB pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel to some value(say 100),
should the MTA reject this SET and store a value of 0? If this is not what
is expected, then, the MIB will be storing a value(the one performed by SET)
that is inconsistent with its description(0 unused). 

The following MIB's also have the same discrepancy mentioned above:
pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency
pktcSigDevCIDMode
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRing
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS
pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK
pktcSigDevCIDDTASAfterLR
pktcSigDevToneTable

Please clarify.

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

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fyi, I received the following suggestions for changes off the reflector that I wanted to share with the IPCDN community. I will be examining these proposed changes today. Feel free to comment.

Gordon

>From Broadcom:
Gordon, 
The following are comments to draft-02 candidate: 
1. pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex MIB Object has a refernce to the "pktcSigCapablityTable" in description whereas the "pktcSigCapablityTable" does not exist in the SIG MIB. I think the "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" should be eliminated . 
2. The following object seems to be required and is currently missing: 
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS 
SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..1000) 
UNITS "Milliseconds" 
MAX-ACCESS read-write 
STATUS current 
DESCRIPTION 
" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert 
Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
FSK containing the Caller ID information. This object is 
only used when pktcSigDevCIDMode is rpAsETS. 
pktcSigDevCIDMode pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS 
duringringingETS 0 ms (not used) 
dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
rpAsETS 650 ms 
lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)" 
REFERENCE 
" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
::= { pktcSigPulseSignalEntry ??? } 
3. "pktcSigDevCIDMode" MIB Object currently refers only to on-hook caller-ID. We do not not have the corresponding object to select the off-hook caller-id method. Proposal is to use a set of the new objects for off-hook params: 
pktcSigDevVmwiMode OBJECT-TYPE 
SYNTAX INTEGER {
dtAsETS(1),
rpAsETS(2),
lrAsETS(3)
}
MAX-ACCESS read-write
STATUS current 
DESCRIPTION 
" This object is used for ETSI systems only. For visual message
waiting indicator (VMWI), pktcSigDevVmwiMode selects the alerting signal method. 
For the dtAsETS, rpAsETS, and lrAsETS
methods, the FSK containing the VMWI information is
sent after an alerting signal. For the dtAsETS
method, the FSK is sent after the Dual Tone Alert Signal.
For the rpAsETS method, the FSK is sent after a Ring
Pulse. For the lrAsETS method, the Line Reversal occurs
first, then the Dual Tone Alert Signal, and finally the
FSK is sent."
DEFVAL { dtAsETS } 
::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterDTAS OBJECT-TYPE 
SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..500) 
UNITS "Milliseconds" 
MAX-ACCESS read-write 
STATUS current 
DESCRIPTION 
" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
specifies the delay between the end of the Dual Tone Alert 
Signal (DT-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is 
only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is dtAsETS or lrAsETS. 
pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS 
dtAsETS 50 ms 
rpAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
lrAsETS 50 ms" 
REFERENCE 
" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
DEFVAL { 50 } 
::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ?? } 
pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS OBJECT-TYPE 
SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..800) 
UNITS "Milliseconds" 
MAX-ACCESS read-write 
STATUS current 
DESCRIPTION 
" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert 
Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is 
only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is rpAsETS. 
pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS 
dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
rpAsETS 650 ms 
lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)" 
REFERENCE 
" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
DEFVAL { 50 } 
::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR OBJECT-TYPE 
SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..655) 
UNITS "Milliseconds" 
MAX-ACCESS read-write 
STATUS current 
DESCRIPTION 
" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
specifies the delay between the end of the Line Reversal 
and the start of the Dual Tone Alert Signal (DT-AS) for VMWI. This 
object is only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is lrAsETS. 
pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterLR 
dtAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
rpAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
lrAsETS 250 ms" 
REFERENCE 
" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
DEFVAL { 250 } 
::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
4. Clarification oin on "pktcSigDevToneFreqType" description for "allFrequenciesModulated" mode is required: 
It seems that it makes sense to have only two frequencies and also an implementor needs to know which frequency modulates which. The clarifying propasal looks as follows: 
allFrequenciesModulated indicates all frequencies
specified by pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies are modulated to
form a single tone. The tone is then applied in sequence
using the number of on/off times specified in
pktcSigDevToneNumOnOffTimes. 
For this tone type pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies MUST be equal 2, 
and the frequency in pktcSigDevToneFirstFrequency modulates the 
frequency in pktcSigDevToneSecondFrequency."
5. The following objects should be made "read-only" and configurable only from the MTA CFG File (because of the reasons similar to pktcSigPowerRingFrequency MIB Object): 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash, 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash, 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterDigitTime, 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime, 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime, 
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime, 
and pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime 
Thanks, 
Eugene.


Gordon Beacham
Digital Core Gateways, BCS
Motorola, Inc.
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Gordon,
 Thanks for the response. I suggest to remove the "0 ms" and "0" in couple
of the mibs mentioned in earlier mail. It is good just to leave the text
"not used" which avoids possible confusion.

Thanks,
Satish

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Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-Sigmib-01.txt: MIB default values


Satish,

I'm sorry, I don't follow the issue here.

The description of the pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel object clearly states the
object only applies when pktcSigPulseSignalType is meterPulse(2). The
description also states that intialRing(1) does not use
pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel.

I can remove "0" from the description example, and just leave the text "not
used" if you prefer.

It seems to me it is an implementation issue as to whether the
pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel is automatically set to 0. I don't see why an
implementation would even examine the pktcSigPulseSignalType unless
pktcSigPulseSignalType = meterPulse.

I will look at the other objects you mentioned shortly. Thanks.

Gordon


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Gordon,
 The description of the MIB "pktcSigPulseSignalType" and
"pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel" clearly indicates a dependency. 
pktcSigPulseSignalType is a Read-Write object takes the values
intialRing(1), meterPulse(2), reversePolarity(3), noBattery(4). 

The description of the MIB  pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel says, 
"This object only applies if pktcSigPulseSignalType =
meterPulse. This is the decibel level at which the meter
pulse could be generated. Example:
pktcSigPulseSignalType	pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel
initialRing 				0 (not used)
meterPulse 				-135
reversePolarity 			0 (not used)
noBattery 				0 (not used)"

After the modem has come up, if the object "pktcSigPulseSignalType" is
dynamically SET to initialRing(1), should the MIB object
pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel be automatically updated with a value of 0?

The other way round, if the pktcSigPulseSignalType=initialRing and suppose
operator SET the MIB pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel to some value(say 100),
should the MTA reject this SET and store a value of 0? If this is not what
is expected, then, the MIB will be storing a value(the one performed by SET)
that is inconsistent with its description(0 unused). 

The following MIB's also have the same discrepancy mentioned above:
pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency
pktcSigDevCIDMode
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRing
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS
pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK
pktcSigDevCIDDTASAfterLR
pktcSigDevToneTable

Please clarify.

Thanks,
Satish Kumar
Texas Instruments

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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 07:33 PM, Beacham Gordon-CGB005 
wrote:
> 2. The following object seems to be required and is currently missing:
> pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS
> SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..1000)
> UNITS "Milliseconds"
> MAX-ACCESS read-write
> STATUS current
> DESCRIPTION
> " This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object
> specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert
> Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the
> FSK containing the Caller ID information. This object is
> only used when pktcSigDevCIDMode is rpAsETS.
> pktcSigDevCIDMode pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS
> duringringingETS 0 ms (not used)
> dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
> rpAsETS 650 ms
> lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)"

Do I understand it correctly that you want to have a default value of
650 ms. But this value has only meaning if the pktcSigDevCIDMode
object has the value rpAsETS. What if the value is 650
and  the pktcSigDevCIDMode object is not set to the value rpAsETS??

If so use a DEF-VAL { 650 } and change the description accordingly.


> 3. "pktcSigDevCIDMode" MIB Object currently refers only to on-hook 
> caller-ID. We do not not have the corresponding object to select the 
> off-hook caller-id method. Proposal is to use a set of the new objects 
> for off-hook params:
> pktcSigDevVmwiMode OBJECT-TYPE
> SYNTAX INTEGER {
> dtAsETS(1),
> rpAsETS(2),
> lrAsETS(3)
> }
> MAX-ACCESS read-write
> STATUS current
> DESCRIPTION
> " This object is used for ETSI systems only.

I would say, "has only a meaning ful value in ...", but would
still first describe what the value is.

> pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS OBJECT-TYPE
> SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..800)
> UNITS "Milliseconds"
> MAX-ACCESS read-write
> STATUS current
> DESCRIPTION
> " This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object
> specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert
> Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the
> FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is
> only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is rpAsETS.
> pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS
> dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
> rpAsETS 650 ms
> lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)"
> REFERENCE
> " Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."
> DEFVAL { 50 }

This DEFVAL does not seem to make sens, I guess you want 650.

Hope this helps,

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Gordon,

I would like to clarify one issue I noticed in the current Signaling MIB =
draft.=20

The "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" now conists of two conceptual columns: =
"pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" and "pktcSigEndPntConfigStatus". The =
"pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" MIB Object has a reference to the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" in DESCRIPTION clause, but the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" does not exist in the SIG MIB.=20
=20
To resolve this inconsistency, there are two approaches: 1. delete the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" from the MIB or 2. introduce the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable".

Looking at these options, I cannot see what is the purpose of the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" at all. This table is described as "read-create" =
which means that backoffice can freely create and delete rows from the =
table. Having in mind that the table contains the reference to the =
signaling capability ("ncs" or "others") corresponding to each =
end-point, it seems that it's rather the responsility of the MTA to fill =
the table out and let the SNMP Manager to inspect the Signaling =
Capabilties (if needed). If this is the case, then the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" must be revised and "pktcSigCapablityTable" =
shuold be added to the Signaling MIB to resolve the inconsistency.

On the other hand, if it is found that the intention of the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" is not clearly stated, maybe it's worthwhile to =
delete it from the MIB for now.


I think the issue needs to be clarified before the draft-02 released.

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Gordon,

I have to withdraw my observation on the absense of the =
"pktcSigCapabilityTable". I was not able to find it in the Signaling MIB =
draft as the DESCRIPTION clause of the "pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" =
MIB Object contains a typo in the name of the "pktcSigCapabilityTable", =
namely: "pktcSigCapablityTable". Based on that, please make the =
editorial modification in the DESCRIPTION clause of the =
"pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" MIB Object: substitute =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" with "pktcSigCapabilityTable".

My comments on the necessity to clarify the intended usage of the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" are still valid.

Thanks,

Eugene.

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Subject: [ipcdn] Comments on pktcSigEndPntConfigTable


Gordon,

I would like to clarify one issue I noticed in the current Signaling MIB =
draft.=20

The "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" now conists of two conceptual columns: =
"pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" and "pktcSigEndPntConfigStatus". The =
"pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex" MIB Object has a reference to the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" in DESCRIPTION clause, but the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" does not exist in the SIG MIB.=20
=20
To resolve this inconsistency, there are two approaches: 1. delete the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" from the MIB or 2. introduce the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable".

Looking at these options, I cannot see what is the purpose of the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" at all. This table is described as "read-create" =
which means that backoffice can freely create and delete rows from the =
table. Having in mind that the table contains the reference to the =
signaling capability ("ncs" or "others") corresponding to each =
end-point, it seems that it's rather the responsility of the MTA to fill =
the table out and let the SNMP Manager to inspect the Signaling =
Capabilties (if needed). If this is the case, then the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" must be revised and "pktcSigCapablityTable" =
shuold be added to the Signaling MIB to resolve the inconsistency.

On the other hand, if it is found that the intention of the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" is not clearly stated, maybe it's worthwhile to =
delete it from the MIB for now.


I think the issue needs to be clarified before the draft-02 released.

Thanks,

Eugene.



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Eugene, 
My comments on the Sig MIB suggested changes: 
1. I can change the description in pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex to refer to the proper table. That is replace "pktcSigCapablityTable" with "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" in the pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex object and "pktcSigEndPntTable" with "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" in the pktcSigEndPntConfigStatus object.
If we want to delete the table and associated objects I'd like to see additional input from the IPCDN reflector.
2. I agree this object is missing and needs to be added. I would instead recommend the syntax be: 500 to 800 to match the T3 range specified in 300 659-1. 
3. I agree these objects can be added. However, it is not clear to me that an operator would actually use different signaling methods on the SAME line. Just to be clear these additional VMWI objects are for on-hook data transmission not associated with ringing as specified in 300 659-1 section 6.2. 
4. Agree at present. Motorola has not found a scenario where more than 2 freqs are modulated. 
5. Agree with making these objects read-only. 
Gordon 
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
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	To: Beacham Gordon-CGB005; Jean-Francois Mule; Wim De Ketelaere; Woundy, Richard; Sumanth Channabasappa; Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments
	Subject: RE: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - Signaling MIB draft 02
	
	Gordon, 
	The following are comments to draft-02 candidate: 
	1. pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex MIB Object has a refernce to the "pktcSigCapablityTable" in description whereas the "pktcSigCapablityTable" does not exist in the SIG MIB. I think the "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" should be eliminated . 
	2. The following object seems to be required and is currently missing: 
	pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS 
	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..1000) 
	UNITS "Milliseconds" 
	MAX-ACCESS read-write 
	STATUS current 
	DESCRIPTION 
	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
	specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert 
	Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
	FSK containing the Caller ID information. This object is 
	only used when pktcSigDevCIDMode is rpAsETS. 
	pktcSigDevCIDMode pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS 
	duringringingETS 0 ms (not used) 
	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
	rpAsETS 650 ms 
	lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)" 
	REFERENCE 
	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
	::= { pktcSigPulseSignalEntry ??? } 
	3. "pktcSigDevCIDMode" MIB Object currently refers only to on-hook caller-ID. We do not not have the corresponding object to select the off-hook caller-id method. Proposal is to use a set of the new objects for off-hook params: 
	pktcSigDevVmwiMode OBJECT-TYPE 
	SYNTAX INTEGER {
	dtAsETS(1),
	rpAsETS(2),
	lrAsETS(3)
	}
	MAX-ACCESS read-write
	STATUS current 
	DESCRIPTION 
	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. For visual message
	waiting indicator (VMWI), pktcSigDevVmwiMode selects the alerting signal method. 
	For the dtAsETS, rpAsETS, and lrAsETS
	methods, the FSK containing the VMWI information is
	sent after an alerting signal. For the dtAsETS
	method, the FSK is sent after the Dual Tone Alert Signal.
	For the rpAsETS method, the FSK is sent after a Ring
	Pulse. For the lrAsETS method, the Line Reversal occurs
	first, then the Dual Tone Alert Signal, and finally the
	FSK is sent."
	DEFVAL { dtAsETS } 
	::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
	pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterDTAS OBJECT-TYPE 
	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..500) 
	UNITS "Milliseconds" 
	MAX-ACCESS read-write 
	STATUS current 
	DESCRIPTION 
	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
	specifies the delay between the end of the Dual Tone Alert 
	Signal (DT-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
	FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is 
	only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is dtAsETS or lrAsETS. 
	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS 
	dtAsETS 50 ms 
	rpAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
	lrAsETS 50 ms" 
	REFERENCE 
	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
	DEFVAL { 50 } 
	::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ?? } 
	pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS OBJECT-TYPE 
	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..800) 
	UNITS "Milliseconds" 
	MAX-ACCESS read-write 
	STATUS current 
	DESCRIPTION 
	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
	specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert 
	Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the 
	FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is 
	only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is rpAsETS. 
	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS 
	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
	rpAsETS 650 ms 
	lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)" 
	REFERENCE 
	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
	DEFVAL { 50 } 
	::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
	pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR OBJECT-TYPE 
	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..655) 
	UNITS "Milliseconds" 
	MAX-ACCESS read-write 
	STATUS current 
	DESCRIPTION 
	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object 
	specifies the delay between the end of the Line Reversal 
	and the start of the Dual Tone Alert Signal (DT-AS) for VMWI. This 
	object is only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is lrAsETS. 
	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterLR 
	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
	rpAsETS 0 ms (not used) 
	lrAsETS 250 ms" 
	REFERENCE 
	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification." 
	DEFVAL { 250 } 
	::= {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? } 
	4. Clarification oin on "pktcSigDevToneFreqType" description for "allFrequenciesModulated" mode is required: 
	It seems that it makes sense to have only two frequencies and also an implementor needs to know which frequency modulates which. The clarifying propasal looks as follows: 
	allFrequenciesModulated indicates all frequencies
	specified by pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies are modulated to
	form a single tone. The tone is then applied in sequence
	using the number of on/off times specified in
	pktcSigDevToneNumOnOffTimes. 
	For this tone type pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies MUST be equal 2, 
	and the frequency in pktcSigDevToneFirstFrequency modulates the 
	frequency in pktcSigDevToneSecondFrequency."
	5. The following objects should be made "read-only" and configurable only from the MTA CFG File (because of the reasons similar to pktcSigPowerRingFrequency MIB Object): 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash, 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash, 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterDigitTime, 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime, 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime, 
	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime, 
	and pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime 
	Thanks, 
	Eugene.


Gordon Beacham
Digital Core Gateways, BCS
Motorola, Inc.
858-404-2335
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Gordon,

1. Agreed on your proposal. More importantly though to get the intention =
of the "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" clarified. It's still an outstanding =
issue.

2. Agreed.

3. Yes, this is 300 659-1, section 6.2. The ETSI spec actually states =
"It is a network operator option as to which method is being used; =
nevertheless, it shall be the same method as used for data transmission =
associated with ringing (see subclause 6.1.2), in case a network =
operator uses a prior to ringing method for it." So, it's possible that =
a network operator could choose to use "data transmission during =
ringing" for data transmission associated with ringing. This option =
doesn't exist for VMWI. Therefore, it's necessary to have separate =
"pktcSigDevCIDMode" and "pktcSigDevVMWIMode" MIB objects.

Eugene.

-----Original Message-----
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My appologies. Correction on item 1 as follows: replace =
pktcSigCapablityTable with pktcSigCapabilityTable in the =
pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex object only.

Gordon

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Beacham Gordon-CGB005 =20
> Sent:	Friday, September 26, 2003 8:55 AM
> To:	Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject:	RE: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - Signaling MIB =
draft 02
>=20
> Eugene,=20
> My comments on the Sig MIB suggested changes:=20
> 1. I can change the description in pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex to =
refer to the proper table. That is replace "pktcSigCapablityTable" with =
"pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" in the pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex object =
and "pktcSigEndPntTable" with "pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" in the =
pktcSigEndPntConfigStatus object.
> If we want to delete the table and associated objects I'd like to see =
additional input from the IPCDN reflector.
> 2. I agree this object is missing and needs to be added. I would =
instead recommend the syntax be: 500 to 800 to match the T3 range =
specified in 300 659-1.=20
> 3. I agree these objects can be added. However, it is not clear to me =
that an operator would actually use different signaling methods on the =
SAME line. Just to be clear these additional VMWI objects are for =
on-hook data transmission not associated with ringing as specified in =
300 659-1 section 6.2.=20
> 4. Agree at present. Motorola has not found a scenario where more than =
2 freqs are modulated.=20
> 5. Agree with making these objects read-only.=20
> Gordon=20
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
> 	Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:28 PM
> 	To: Beacham Gordon-CGB005; Jean-Francois Mule; Wim De Ketelaere; =
Woundy, Richard; Sumanth Channabasappa; Satish Kumar at Texas =
Instruments
> 	Subject: RE: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - Signaling MIB =
draft 02
> =09
> 	Gordon,=20
> 	The following are comments to draft-02 candidate:=20
> 	1. pktcSigEndPntCapabilityIndex MIB Object has a refernce to the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" in description whereas the =
"pktcSigCapablityTable" does not exist in the SIG MIB. I think the =
"pktcSigEndPntConfigTable" should be eliminated .=20
> 	2. The following object seems to be required and is currently =
missing:=20
> 	pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS=20
> 	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..1000)=20
> 	UNITS "Milliseconds"=20
> 	MAX-ACCESS read-write=20
> 	STATUS current=20
> 	DESCRIPTION=20
> 	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object=20
> 	specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert=20
> 	Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the=20
> 	FSK containing the Caller ID information. This object is=20
> 	only used when pktcSigDevCIDMode is rpAsETS.=20
> 	pktcSigDevCIDMode pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS=20
> 	duringringingETS 0 ms (not used)=20
> 	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
> 	rpAsETS 650 ms=20
> 	lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)"=20
> 	REFERENCE=20
> 	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."=20
> 	::=3D { pktcSigPulseSignalEntry ??? }=20
> 	3. "pktcSigDevCIDMode" MIB Object currently refers only to on-hook =
caller-ID. We do not not have the corresponding object to select the =
off-hook caller-id method. Proposal is to use a set of the new objects =
for off-hook params:=20
> 	pktcSigDevVmwiMode OBJECT-TYPE=20
> 	SYNTAX INTEGER {
> 	dtAsETS(1),
> 	rpAsETS(2),
> 	lrAsETS(3)
> 	}
> 	MAX-ACCESS read-write
> 	STATUS current=20
> 	DESCRIPTION=20
> 	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. For visual message
> 	waiting indicator (VMWI), pktcSigDevVmwiMode selects the alerting =
signal method.=20
> 	For the dtAsETS, rpAsETS, and lrAsETS
> 	methods, the FSK containing the VMWI information is
> 	sent after an alerting signal. For the dtAsETS
> 	method, the FSK is sent after the Dual Tone Alert Signal.
> 	For the rpAsETS method, the FSK is sent after a Ring
> 	Pulse. For the lrAsETS method, the Line Reversal occurs
> 	first, then the Dual Tone Alert Signal, and finally the
> 	FSK is sent."
> 	DEFVAL { dtAsETS }=20
> 	::=3D {pktcSigDevConfigObjects > ??? }=20
> 	pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterDTAS OBJECT-TYPE=20
> 	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..500)=20
> 	UNITS "Milliseconds"=20
> 	MAX-ACCESS read-write=20
> 	STATUS current=20
> 	DESCRIPTION=20
> 	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object=20
> 	specifies the delay between the end of the Dual Tone Alert=20
> 	Signal (DT-AS) and the start of the transmission of the=20
> 	FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is=20
> 	only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is dtAsETS or lrAsETS.=20
> 	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS=20
> 	dtAsETS 50 ms=20
> 	rpAsETS 0 ms (not used)=20
> 	lrAsETS 50 ms"=20
> 	REFERENCE=20
> 	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."=20
> 	DEFVAL { 50 }=20
> 	::=3D {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ?? }=20
> 	pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS OBJECT-TYPE=20
> 	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..800)=20
> 	UNITS "Milliseconds"=20
> 	MAX-ACCESS read-write=20
> 	STATUS current=20
> 	DESCRIPTION=20
> 	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object=20
> 	specifies the delay between the end of the Ring Pulse Alert=20
> 	Signal (RP-AS) and the start of the transmission of the=20
> 	FSK containing the VMWI information. This object is=20
> 	only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is rpAsETS.=20
> 	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterDTAS=20
> 	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)
> 	rpAsETS 650 ms=20
> 	lrAsETS 0 ms (not used)"=20
> 	REFERENCE=20
> 	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."=20
> 	DEFVAL { 50 }=20
> 	::=3D {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? }=20
> 	pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR OBJECT-TYPE=20
> 	SYNTAX Unsigned32 (0..655)=20
> 	UNITS "Milliseconds"=20
> 	MAX-ACCESS read-write=20
> 	STATUS current=20
> 	DESCRIPTION=20
> 	" This object is used for ETSI systems only. This object=20
> 	specifies the delay between the end of the Line Reversal=20
> 	and the start of the Dual Tone Alert Signal (DT-AS) for VMWI. This=20
> 	object is only used when pktcSigDevVMWIMode is lrAsETS.=20
> 	pktcSigDevVMWIMode pktcSigDevVMWIFskAfterLR=20
> 	dtAsETS 0 ms (not used)=20
> 	rpAsETS 0 ms (not used)=20
> 	lrAsETS 250 ms"=20
> 	REFERENCE=20
> 	" Refer to the ETS 300 659-1 Specification."=20
> 	DEFVAL { 250 }=20
> 	::=3D {pktcSigDevConfigObjects ??? }=20
> 	4. Clarification oin on "pktcSigDevToneFreqType" description for =
"allFrequenciesModulated" mode is required:=20
> 	It seems that it makes sense to have only two frequencies and also an =
implementor needs to know which frequency modulates which. The =
clarifying propasal looks as follows:=20
> 	allFrequenciesModulated indicates all frequencies
> 	specified by pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies are modulated to
> 	form a single tone. The tone is then applied in sequence
> 	using the number of on/off times specified in
> 	pktcSigDevToneNumOnOffTimes.=20
> 	For this tone type pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies MUST be equal 2,=20
> 	and the frequency in pktcSigDevToneFirstFrequency modulates the=20
> 	frequency in pktcSigDevToneSecondFrequency."
> 	5. The following objects should be made "read-only" and configurable =
only from the MTA CFG File (because of the reasons similar to =
pktcSigPowerRingFrequency MIB Object):=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash,=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash,=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterDigitTime,=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime,=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime,=20
> 	pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime,=20
> 	and pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime=20
> 	Thanks,=20
> 	Eugene.
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fyi,
 
Additional changes proposed to the Signaling MIB. These will be incorporated into the draft-02 version.
 
Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: Beacham Gordon-CGB005
Cc: Jean-Francois Mule; Wim De Ketelaere; Woundy, Richard; Sumanth Channabasappa; Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments
Subject: Publication of PacketCable IETF MIBs - Signaling MIB draft 02


Gordon,
 
After looking at the NCS Signaling MIB (draft-2) some more, here are additional comments (mods are in red):
 
1. For pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash object, the DESCRIPTION clause should say:
 
" This is the minimum time a line needs to be on hook for a valid hook flash. The vaule of this object MUST be greater than the value of the pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime."
 
2. ETSI EG 201 188, section 8.1 indicates that an onhook event should be detected if the loop is open for greater than 500ms. This seems to contradict pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash which has a range of 20-1800ms and a default value of 1000ms. I think we need to make the range to be compliant with the requirement, i.e.
 
   pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash    OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (20..500)

3. As "pktcSigDevToneTable" contains delay between audiable tones and repetition counters for callWaiting1..4 which belong to the tone profile generation, and there also independent objects controlling delays and repetition counters outside of this table (pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingDelay, and pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingMaxRep), I think, to redulce the potential for ambigous understanding,  the following clarification in DESCRITION clause of the "pktcSigDevToneTable" would help:
 
   pktcSigDevToneTable    OBJECT-TYPE
       SYNTAX       SEQUENCE OF PktcSigDevToneEntry
       MAX-ACCESS   not-accessible
       STATUS       current
       DESCRIPTION
           " The Tone Table defines the various tone operations.
             Any definition of the tone in this table, should not 
            contain the delay between tones or the tone repeat count, 
            but instead just the definition of the audible tone itself.
            The delay between tones or the repeat count is controlled 
            by the MIB Objects pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingDelay,
            and pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingMaxRep.
            Objects in this table do not persist across an MTA
             reboot. "

 
Eugene.
 
 
 
 
 


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