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Folks,

   Does this MIB for NAT devices Internet-Draft have any implications on
the ipcdn CableHome MIBs? do we need some time to do a final review of
this ID? If you have any comments, please send them asap (it may be too
late... but I want to make sure the group has seen this protocol action
notice).

Jean-Francois.

-----Original Message-----
From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org]=20
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:20 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: Internet Architecture Board; RFC Editor
Subject: Protocol Action: 'Definitions of Managed Objects for Network
Address Translators (NAT)' to Proposed Standard=20


The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Definitions of Managed Objects for Network Address Translators (NAT)
'
   <draft-ietf-nat-natmib-09.txt> as a Proposed Standard

This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an
IETF Working Group.=20

The IESG contact person is Allison Mankin.

Technical Summary
=20
This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
for=20
devices implementing Network Address Translator (NAT) function. This MIB

module may be used for configuration of specific aspects of the NAT
function (but in particular, not to configure NAT bindings).  Firewall
configuration, in a NAT-firewall-combining device, is specifically
outside the scope of this=20
document.

Working Group Summary
=20
Although this document is an individual submission (developed largely
after=20
closure of IETF's NAT working group, it was reviewed by the MIDCOM
working group.  A good number of comments were received from MIDCOM
participants.
=20
Protocol Quality
=20
This specification was reviewed for the IESG by Allison Mankin, Bert
Wijnen,=20
and Juergen Schoenwaelder, of the MIB Doctors.

RFC Editor Notes

Section 3.  Terminology

OLD:


   Definitions for majority of the terms used throughout the document
   may be found in RFC 2663 [RFC2663]. Additional terms that further
   classify NAPT implementations are defined in RFC 3489 [RFC3489].
   Listed below are terms used in this document

NEW:

 =20
   Definitions for majority of the terms used throughout the document
   may be found in RFC 2663 [RFC2663]. Additional terms that further
   classify NAPT implementations are defined in RFC 3489 [RFC3489].
   Listed below are terms used in this document

   Address realm - An address realm is a realm of unique network
   addresses that are routable within the realm. For example, an
   enterprise address realm could be constituted of private IP
   addresses in the ranges specified in RFC 1918 [RFC1918], which
   are routable within the enterprise, but not across the Internet.
   A public realm is constituted of globally unique network
   addresses.

[And add RFC 1918 to the Informative References]

-----------

OLD:

   NAT Session - A NAT session is an association between a session
   as seen in the private realm and a session as seen in the public
   realm, by virtue of NAT translation. If a session in the private
   realm were to be represented as (PrivateSrcAddr, PrivateDstAddr,
   TransportProtocol, PrivateSrcPort, PrivateDstPort) and the
   same session in the public realm were to be represented as
   (PublicSrcAddr, PublicDstAddr, TransportProtocol, PublicSrcPort,
   PublicDstPort), the NAT session will provide the translation
   glue between the two session representations.

NEW:


   NAT Session - A NAT session is an association between a session
   as seen in the private realm and a session as seen in the public
   realm, by virtue of NAT translation. If a session in the private
   realm were to be represented as (PrivateSrcAddr, PrivateDstAddr,
   TransportProtocol, PrivateSrcPort, PrivateDstPort) and the
   same session in the public realm were to be represented as
   (PublicSrcAddr, PublicDstAddr, TransportProtocol, PublicSrcPort,
   PublicDstPort), the NAT session will provide the translation
   glue between the two session representations. NAT sessions in
   the document are restricted to sessions based on TCP and UDP
   only . In the future, NAT sessions may be extended to be based
   on other transport protocols such as SCTP, UDP-lite and DCCP.


-----------
Section 5.  Definitions=20

OLD:
natAddrBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     NatAddrBindEntry
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "Each entry in this table holds information about
             an active address BIND. These entries are lost
             upon agent restart."
    INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrBindLocalAddrType, natAddrBindLocalAddr }
    ::=3D { natAddrBindTable 1 }

NEW:
natAddrBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     NatAddrBindEntry
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "Each entry in this table holds information about
             an active address BIND. These entries are lost
             upon agent restart.

             This row has indexing which may create variables with
             more than 128 subidentifiers. Implementers of this table
             must be careful not to create entries that would result
             in OIDs which exceed the 128 subidentifier limit.
             Otherwise, the information cannot be accessed using
             SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."

    INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrBindLocalAddrType, natAddrBindLocalAddr }
    ::=3D { natAddrBindTable 1 }

-----

OLD:
natAddrBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     InetAddress
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "This object represents the private-realm specific network
             layer address, which maps to the public-realm address
             represented by natAddrBindGlobalAddr.


             The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the natAddrBindLocalAddrType object.

             As this object is used in the index for the
             natAddrBindTable, implementers of this table should be
             careful not to create entries that would result in OIDs
             with more than 128 subidentifiers; else the information
             cannot be accessed using SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."

    ::=3D { natAddrBindEntry 2 }

NEW:
natAddrBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     InetAddress
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "This object represents the private-realm specific network
             layer address, which maps to the public-realm address
             represented by natAddrBindGlobalAddr.


             The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the natAddrBindLocalAddrType object."

           =20
   ::=3D { natAddrBindEntry 2 }

------

OLD:

natAddrPortBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     NatAddrPortBindEntry
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "Each entry in the this table holds information
             about a NAPT bind that is currently active.
             These entries are lost upon agent restart."
    INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType,
              natAddrPortBindLocalAddr, natAddrPortBindLocalPort,
              natAddrPortBindProtocol }
    ::=3D { natAddrPortBindTable 1 }

NEW:

natAddrPortBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     NatAddrPortBindEntry
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "Each entry in the this table holds information
             about a NAPT bind that is currently active.
             These entries are lost upon agent restart.

             This row has indexing which may create variables with
             more than 128 subidentifiers. Implementers of this table
             must be careful not to create entries which would result
             in OIDs that exceed the 128 subidentifier limit.=20
             Otherwise, the information cannot be accessed using
             SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."
    INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType,
              natAddrPortBindLocalAddr, natAddrPortBindLocalPort,
              natAddrPortBindProtocol }
    ::=3D { natAddrPortBindTable 1 }

------

OLD:
natAddrPortBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     InetAddress
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "This object represents the private-realm specific network
             layer address which, in conjunction with
             natAddrPortBindLocalPort, maps to the public-realm
             network layer address and transport id represented by
             natAddrPortBindGlobalAddr and natAddrPortBindGlobalPort
             respectively.


             The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType object.


             As this object is used in the index for the
             natAddrPortBindTable, implementers of this table should
             be careful not to create entries that would result in
             OIDs with more than 128 subidentifiers; else the
             information cannot be accessed using SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or
             SNMPv3."
    ::=3D { natAddrPortBindEntry 2 }

NEW:
natAddrPortBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX     InetAddress
    MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
    STATUS     current
    DESCRIPTION
            "This object represents the private-realm specific network
             layer address which, in conjunction with
             natAddrPortBindLocalPort, maps to the public-realm
             network layer address and transport id represented by
             natAddrPortBindGlobalAddr and natAddrPortBindGlobalPort
             respectively.


             The type of this address is determined by the value of
             the natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType object."
    ::=3D { natAddrPortBindEntry 2 }

-----

OLD:
natMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
     LAST-UPDATED "200404180000Z"
     ORGANIZATION "Individuals"

NEW:
natMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
     LAST-UPDATED "200404180000Z"
     ORGANIZATION "IETF Transport Area"


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The following issue has been raised on PktcRingCadence during MIB Dr. review. Any comments on whether we need to introduce MUST requirements to enforce the constraints noted below? Thanks.
 
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>From Randy:
 
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=20
The "inforcement" of the PktcRingCadence TC is supposed to be provided
by the fact that an EMTA will try to interpret the MIB Object's value in
the SNMP SET in accordance with the rules of the TC. If the value cannot
be interpreted correctly, the SNMP error flag should be raised and
returned in the SNMP SET response message. This is a general SNMP
protocol approach applicable to any MIB Object, and I don't see anything
"special" in PktcRingCadence TC in this respect to be able to agree with
the dedicated "inforcement" statement.=20
=20
Eugene.

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Subject: [ipcdn] NCS Sig MIB draft 5 - PktcRingCadence constraints


The following issue has been raised on PktcRingCadence during MIB Dr.
review. Any comments on whether we need to introduce MUST requirements
to enforce the constraints noted below? Thanks.
=20
Gordon
=20
>From Randy:
=20
>12) PktcRingCadence: are implementations required to enforce any
constraints on the values of a) the bit count field, b) >the repeatable
field, c) the 3 on-off transition limit, d) values for bits beyond the
bit count, e) an octet-string length other >than the minimum required to
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jean Francois writes:
> 
> Folks,
> 
>    Does this MIB for NAT devices Internet-Draft have any implications on
> the ipcdn CableHome MIBs? do we need some time to do a final review of
> this ID? If you have any comments, please send them asap (it may be too
> late... but I want to make sure the group has seen this protocol action
> notice).
> 
It would indeed be REALLY late. Went through a 4 week IETF Last Call quite 
a while back. But if you find any fatal flaws, we certainly want to hear
about them.

Bert

> Jean-Francois.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] 
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:20 PM
> To: IETF-Announce
> Cc: Internet Architecture Board; RFC Editor
> Subject: Protocol Action: 'Definitions of Managed Objects for Network
> Address Translators (NAT)' to Proposed Standard 
> 
> 
> The IESG has approved the following document:
> 
> - 'Definitions of Managed Objects for Network Address 
> Translators (NAT)
> '
>    <draft-ietf-nat-natmib-09.txt> as a Proposed Standard
> 
> This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the 
> product of an
> IETF Working Group. 
> 
> The IESG contact person is Allison Mankin.
> 
> Technical Summary
>  
> This document defines a portion of the Management Information 
> Base (MIB)
> for 
> devices implementing Network Address Translator (NAT) 
> function. This MIB
> 
> module may be used for configuration of specific aspects of the NAT
> function (but in particular, not to configure NAT bindings).  Firewall
> configuration, in a NAT-firewall-combining device, is specifically
> outside the scope of this 
> document.
> 
> Working Group Summary
>  
> Although this document is an individual submission (developed largely
> after 
> closure of IETF's NAT working group, it was reviewed by the MIDCOM
> working group.  A good number of comments were received from MIDCOM
> participants.
>  
> Protocol Quality
>  
> This specification was reviewed for the IESG by Allison Mankin, Bert
> Wijnen, 
> and Juergen Schoenwaelder, of the MIB Doctors.
> 
> RFC Editor Notes
> 
> Section 3.  Terminology
> 
> OLD:
> 
> 
>    Definitions for majority of the terms used throughout the document
>    may be found in RFC 2663 [RFC2663]. Additional terms that further
>    classify NAPT implementations are defined in RFC 3489 [RFC3489].
>    Listed below are terms used in this document
> 
> NEW:
> 
>   
>    Definitions for majority of the terms used throughout the document
>    may be found in RFC 2663 [RFC2663]. Additional terms that further
>    classify NAPT implementations are defined in RFC 3489 [RFC3489].
>    Listed below are terms used in this document
> 
>    Address realm - An address realm is a realm of unique network
>    addresses that are routable within the realm. For example, an
>    enterprise address realm could be constituted of private IP
>    addresses in the ranges specified in RFC 1918 [RFC1918], which
>    are routable within the enterprise, but not across the Internet.
>    A public realm is constituted of globally unique network
>    addresses.
> 
> [And add RFC 1918 to the Informative References]
> 
> -----------
> 
> OLD:
> 
>    NAT Session - A NAT session is an association between a session
>    as seen in the private realm and a session as seen in the public
>    realm, by virtue of NAT translation. If a session in the private
>    realm were to be represented as (PrivateSrcAddr, PrivateDstAddr,
>    TransportProtocol, PrivateSrcPort, PrivateDstPort) and the
>    same session in the public realm were to be represented as
>    (PublicSrcAddr, PublicDstAddr, TransportProtocol, PublicSrcPort,
>    PublicDstPort), the NAT session will provide the translation
>    glue between the two session representations.
> 
> NEW:
> 
> 
>    NAT Session - A NAT session is an association between a session
>    as seen in the private realm and a session as seen in the public
>    realm, by virtue of NAT translation. If a session in the private
>    realm were to be represented as (PrivateSrcAddr, PrivateDstAddr,
>    TransportProtocol, PrivateSrcPort, PrivateDstPort) and the
>    same session in the public realm were to be represented as
>    (PublicSrcAddr, PublicDstAddr, TransportProtocol, PublicSrcPort,
>    PublicDstPort), the NAT session will provide the translation
>    glue between the two session representations. NAT sessions in
>    the document are restricted to sessions based on TCP and UDP
>    only . In the future, NAT sessions may be extended to be based
>    on other transport protocols such as SCTP, UDP-lite and DCCP.
> 
> 
> -----------
> Section 5.  Definitions 
> 
> OLD:
> natAddrBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     NatAddrBindEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "Each entry in this table holds information about
>              an active address BIND. These entries are lost
>              upon agent restart."
>     INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrBindLocalAddrType, 
> natAddrBindLocalAddr }
>     ::= { natAddrBindTable 1 }
> 
> NEW:
> natAddrBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     NatAddrBindEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "Each entry in this table holds information about
>              an active address BIND. These entries are lost
>              upon agent restart.
> 
>              This row has indexing which may create variables with
>              more than 128 subidentifiers. Implementers of this table
>              must be careful not to create entries that would result
>              in OIDs which exceed the 128 subidentifier limit.
>              Otherwise, the information cannot be accessed using
>              SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."
> 
>     INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrBindLocalAddrType, 
> natAddrBindLocalAddr }
>     ::= { natAddrBindTable 1 }
> 
> -----
> 
> OLD:
> natAddrBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     InetAddress
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "This object represents the private-realm specific network
>              layer address, which maps to the public-realm address
>              represented by natAddrBindGlobalAddr.
> 
> 
>              The type of this address is determined by the value of
>              the natAddrBindLocalAddrType object.
> 
>              As this object is used in the index for the
>              natAddrBindTable, implementers of this table should be
>              careful not to create entries that would result in OIDs
>              with more than 128 subidentifiers; else the information
>              cannot be accessed using SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."
> 
>     ::= { natAddrBindEntry 2 }
> 
> NEW:
> natAddrBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     InetAddress
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "This object represents the private-realm specific network
>              layer address, which maps to the public-realm address
>              represented by natAddrBindGlobalAddr.
> 
> 
>              The type of this address is determined by the value of
>              the natAddrBindLocalAddrType object."
> 
>             
>    ::= { natAddrBindEntry 2 }
> 
> ------
> 
> OLD:
> 
> natAddrPortBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     NatAddrPortBindEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "Each entry in the this table holds information
>              about a NAPT bind that is currently active.
>              These entries are lost upon agent restart."
>     INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType,
>               natAddrPortBindLocalAddr, natAddrPortBindLocalPort,
>               natAddrPortBindProtocol }
>     ::= { natAddrPortBindTable 1 }
> 
> NEW:
> 
> natAddrPortBindEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     NatAddrPortBindEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "Each entry in the this table holds information
>              about a NAPT bind that is currently active.
>              These entries are lost upon agent restart.
> 
>              This row has indexing which may create variables with
>              more than 128 subidentifiers. Implementers of this table
>              must be careful not to create entries which would result
>              in OIDs that exceed the 128 subidentifier limit. 
>              Otherwise, the information cannot be accessed using
>              SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or SNMPv3."
>     INDEX   { ifIndex, natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType,
>               natAddrPortBindLocalAddr, natAddrPortBindLocalPort,
>               natAddrPortBindProtocol }
>     ::= { natAddrPortBindTable 1 }
> 
> ------
> 
> OLD:
> natAddrPortBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     InetAddress
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "This object represents the private-realm specific network
>              layer address which, in conjunction with
>              natAddrPortBindLocalPort, maps to the public-realm
>              network layer address and transport id represented by
>              natAddrPortBindGlobalAddr and natAddrPortBindGlobalPort
>              respectively.
> 
> 
>              The type of this address is determined by the value of
>              the natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType object.
> 
> 
>              As this object is used in the index for the
>              natAddrPortBindTable, implementers of this table should
>              be careful not to create entries that would result in
>              OIDs with more than 128 subidentifiers; else the
>              information cannot be accessed using SNMPv1, SNMPv2c or
>              SNMPv3."
>     ::= { natAddrPortBindEntry 2 }
> 
> NEW:
> natAddrPortBindLocalAddr OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX     InetAddress
>     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
>     STATUS     current
>     DESCRIPTION
>             "This object represents the private-realm specific network
>              layer address which, in conjunction with
>              natAddrPortBindLocalPort, maps to the public-realm
>              network layer address and transport id represented by
>              natAddrPortBindGlobalAddr and natAddrPortBindGlobalPort
>              respectively.
> 
> 
>              The type of this address is determined by the value of
>              the natAddrPortBindLocalAddrType object."
>     ::= { natAddrPortBindEntry 2 }
> 
> -----
> 
> OLD:
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>      LAST-UPDATED "200404180000Z"
>      ORGANIZATION "Individuals"
> 
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Hi -

> From: "Eugene Nechamkin" <enechamkin@broadcom.com>
> To: "Beacham Gordon-CGB005" <Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com>; <ipcdn@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [ipcdn] NCS Sig MIB draft 5 - PktcRingCadence constraints
>

>
> The "inforcement" of the PktcRingCadence TC is supposed to be provided
> by the fact that an EMTA will try to interpret the MIB Object's value in
> the SNMP SET in accordance with the rules of the TC. If the value cannot
> be interpreted correctly, the SNMP error flag should be raised and
> returned in the SNMP SET response message. This is a general SNMP
> protocol approach applicable to any MIB Object, and I don't see anything
> "special" in PktcRingCadence TC in this respect to be able to agree with
> the dedicated "inforcement" statement.
....

So the intent is that implementations MUST perform
the following checks:
    - the first two bytes MUST represent a value between 1 and 264;
      any other values MUST be rejected.
    - the bit count field needs to be consistent with the
      OCTET STRING's length.  If there are unused octets,
      the set MUST be rejected.  Likewise, if the length implied
      by the bit count field is greater than the OCTET STRING's
      length, the set MUST be rejected.
    - the value of the repeatable field MUST be 0x00 or 0x80
    - If there are more than three on-to-off transitions, the set MUST
      be rejected.  (So 01010101 would be legal, but 10101010 would
      not, right?)

This still begs the question of what value should be in the "unused"
bits.  Ignored by receiver?  What value SHOULD they be set to
by the sender?  Are they required to be the same on a GET as they were
on the SET?

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Responses to comments on IETF Sig MIB draft 5
 
****************************************************
Part 1:
****************************************************
 
1) lines limited to 72 characters:
trailing blanks make line 26 too long (73 characters)
trailing blanks make line 99 too long (73 characters)
trailing blanks make line 2206 too long (73 characters) trailing blanks make line 2226 too long (73 characters) trailing blanks make line 2240 too long (73 characters) trailing blanks make line 2301 too long (73 characters)
 
AI: Fix in final formating.
 
2) some pages have more than 58 lines
 
AI: Fix in final formating.
 
3) pages not separated by FF character
 
AI: Fix in final formating.
 
4) the words "INTERNET-DRAFT" should be in upper left
corner of first page
 
AI: Changed.
 
5) IPR Boilerplate: OK, but note that alternative wording for "plural" authors has been presented on the wgchairs list:
 
   By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any
   applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware
   have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes
   aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of RFC 3668.
 
AI: Changed.
 
6) Internet-Draft boilerplate: text is OK, but formatting is strange.
 
No change. Not clear what is "strange".
 
7) Filename: broken by strange formatting on first page
 
AI: Changed.
 
8) author list: present, but mal-formatted
 
AI: Fixed formatting.
 
9) Introduction: missing.  (2.2 #5)
 
AI: Added Introduction section.
 
10) IANA considerations:  contradictory, (2.2 #7b) seems to apply, since an OID needs to be allocated.
 
AI: Added the following per 8/4 IPCDN reflector message from Dave Thaler.
 
The MIB module in this document uses the following IANA-assigned OBJECT IDENTIFIER values
recorded in the SMI Numbers registry:
 
Descriptor     OBJECT IDENTIFIER Value
----------     -----------------------
pktcSigMib     { mib-2 XXX }
 
Editor's Note (to be removed prior to publication): the IANA is requested to assign a value
for XXX under the mib-2 subtree and to record the assignment in the SMI Numbers registry.
When the assignment has been made, the RFC Editor is asked to replace XXX (here and in the
MIB module) with the assigned value and to remove this note.
 
11) authors' addresses: need cleanup
(e.g., the first in the list uses normal US postal
address format, but the last in the list doesn't.)
 
AI: Changed.
 
12) Keywords: text references RFC 2119, but it is missing from the list of normative references.
 
AI: Added normative reference: [RFC2119].
 
13) formal language use: MIB compilation: smilint objects to pktcSigDevCodecType (an index of pktcSigDevCodecEntry) being read-only.  It should be not-accessible.
 
AI: Changed.
 
14) References:
   [PKT-SP-MGCP-IO9-040113] is never cited.   
   [PKT-SP-PROV-IO8-040113] is never cited.   
   [PKT-SP-CODEC-IO5-040113] is never cited.  
   [PKT-SP-MIB-MTA-I08-040113] is never cited.  
   [ETSI TS 101 909-9] is never cited.        
   [TR 101 183] is never cited.               
   [RFC3289], while referenced in the MIB module, is not
   cited in the text of the document.          
   [RFC3291], while referenced in the MIB module, is never cited.
   [RFC3261] is never cited.                  
   [RFC3435] is never cited.                  
   MIB module IMPORTS from SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB, but it's
   missing from the normative references and not cited in text. 
 
AI: Deleted: [RFC3261], added normative references: [ITU-T-J169], [RFC3411]. Cited reference in introduction and overview sections.
 
****************************************************
Part 2:
****************************************************
 
1) abbreviations expanded on first use: need to add expansions for:
    IPR
    LCD
    CRCX
    MDCX
    DSP
    SDP
    DOCSIS
    CODEC (also shows up as "codec" and "Codec")
    RTP
    FSK
    MAP
    rg
    rs
    cr
    "Blvd" needs a "."
    "Inc" needs a "." 
    "Corp" needs a "."
    PCMU
    PCMA
    FQDN
    MIBMTA
    RSIP
    LCD
    CMS
    RJ
 
"frequences" should be "frequencies"
"playout" should be "play out" (where it is a verb rather than a noun) "dBm" also appears as "dbm"
 
AI: Expanded abbreviations on first use. Fixed spelling.
 
2) two spaces after end of sentence: document needs to be fixed so that TWO spaces occur after "." at the end of a sentence. (2223bis 3.1 (7)
 
AI: Fix in final formating.
 
3)  Table of contents / order of sections:  the sections of the document are not in the order specified by 2223bis section 4.
 
AI: Fixed. Added Introduction. Reordered references after IANA section. Moved IPR after author's addresses.
 
4) Authors' Addresses and IPR Boilerplate (Full Copyright Statement) sections are supposed to NOT have numbers.
 
AI: Changed.
 
5) On title page, an Author's name should be on a single line, as should his/her affiliation.  2223bis section 4.1
 
AI: Changed.
 
6) Document is inconsistant in the use of "a"/"an" before acronyms pronounced beginning with a vowel.  (E.g. "MTA".)  Suggest using "An" consistently.
 
AI: Changed.
 
7) Document uses both "endpoint" and "Endpoint".  Is a distinction intended?
 
AI: Changed to lower case except at the start of a sentence.
 
8) "the widest range of marketplaces as is possible"  ->
    "the widest possible range of markets"
 
AI: Changed.
 
10) format of references:  
   a) Author lists need a "," before the "and" if
       there are more than two authors.  See the reference sections in 2223 
       bis for examples.
   b) If there is more than one author, an "and" is needed
   c) if there is more than one author, the last author's name is
       written as "F. Lastname" rather than "Lastname, F."
 
AI: Changed formatting.
 
****************************************************
Part 3 (1-13), Part 4 (14-30)
****************************************************
 
1) guidelines 3.2 para 1: need to describe relationship to other modules. for example, interfaces MIB since ifIndex is part of indexing scheme.
 
AI: Added descriptive text to overview section.
 
2) guidelines 3.2 para 2: need to document in narrative MIB modules (other than SMIv2 docs) from which things are imported
 
AI: Duplicate, see above.
 
3) guidelines 3.7.2: IANA considerations section needs to note that the mib-2 oid assignment for the module identity is needed
 
AI: Duplicate, see part 1 # 10 above.
 
4) the module name and the module-identity descriptor don't follow the recommended practices in guidelines appendix C (second bullet) and other descriptors don't follow the recommended practices in the third and fifth bullets)  (I assume TenthdBm is intended for re-use by other MIB modules)
 
AI: Changed module identity descriptor to pktcIetfSigMib per appendix C bullet 2.
 
5) TenthdBm: "This data type" -> "This textual convention"
 
AI: Changed.
 
6) PktcCodecType: "Textual Convention defines " -> "This textual convention defines"
 
AI: Changed.
 
7) PktcCodecType: the ASN.1 comments aren't technically part of the TC.  The descriptions of what the various enumerations should be given in the DESCRIPTION clause.  (The ASN.1 comments don't hurt, but they're not enough.)
 
AI: Changed.
 
8) PktcCodecType: the "MUST" is inappropriate.  It sounds like the intent is to mandate how a registry would operate.  Is the likelihood of additional values being added to this enumeration high enough to justify creating an IANA registry, rather than keeping the TC in this MIB module?
 
AI: Changed.
 
9) (general) What are "international objects"? Does this term need to be defined?
 
AI: The use of "international" is a legacy issue dating from initial MIB creation.
 
10) PktcRingCadence: is a "cadence period" the same thing as a "cadence cycle"?
 
AI: Changed period to cycle.
 
11) PktcRingCadence: the sentence "Each bit 
             after the third octet represents 50 ms and 1 represents 
             ring and 0 represents silent." might be clearer if the first "represents" were replaced with "corresponds to", and if the first "and" were "where".  ("silent" -> "silence" wouldn't hurt.)
 
AI: Changed.
 
12) PktcRingCadence: are implementations required to enforce any constraints on the values of a) the bit count field, b) the repeatable field, c) the 3 on-off transition limit, d) values for bits beyond the bit count, e) an octet-string length other than the minimum required to encode whatever length is specified in the bit count field?
 
AI: Open. A separate reflector thread has been started to solicit comments from IPCDN members on adding normative requirements.
 
13) PktcSigType: is any guidance needed on when to use reserved(2) and when to use other(1)?
 
AI: Changed description.
 
14) pktcSigDevCodecComboIndex: where does the range
constraint (1..255) come from?  There's nothing in the document to justify that particular upper bound.
 
AI: No change. See reflector discussion.
 
15) pktcSigDevCallerIdSigProtocol: the DESCRIPTION needs to spell out what is meant by each enumeration
 
AI: Changed description.
 
16) pktcSigDev*Cadence:   wouldn't it be simpler to put these
ten objects into a table?  just a thought....
 
AI: No change.
 
17) pktcSigDefMediaStreamDscp: There's no antecedant for
"the new connection".  Is "new connections" intended?
 
AI: Added the following before sentence starting with "When" to provide context for "new connections":
 
Any currently active connections are not affected by updates to this object.
 
18) pktcSignalingIndex: where does the range constraint
(1..255) come from? There's nothing in the document to
justify that particular upper bound.
 
AI: No change. See reflector discussion.
 
19) pktcSigDefNcsReceiveUdpPort: where does the lower range constraint come from?
 
AI: No change. IANA registers ports 0-1023 and port 1024 is indicated as reserved.
 
20) pktcSigPowerRingFrequency: for each of the enumeration values, the DESCRIPTION clause should spell out what that value means.
 
AI: Changed description.
 
21) pktcSigPulseSignalType: should spell out what each enumeration value means in the DESCRIPTION.
 
AI: Changed description to list enumerations.
 
22) pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency: does the "must" mean "MUST"
in the sense that an attempt to write a value incompatible with the instance's pktcSigPulseSignalType must be rejected?  What value does it take / can it be set to for "inapplicable" signal types?
 
AI: Changed must to MUST. Added description for returning inconsistent value for an inapplicable signal type.
 
23) pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel: What value does it take / can it be set to an inapplicable signal types?  
 
AI: Added description for returning inconsistent value for an inapplicable signal type.
 
24) pktcSigPulseSignalDuration: what happens when something attempts to set this to a value that doesn't fall on one of the increment boundaries, or on the wrong increment boundary for the specific signal type?
 
AI: Added description for returning inconsistent value for incorrect increment for a signal type.
 
25) pktcSigPulseSignalPulseInterval: same questions.
 
AI: Added description for returning inconsistent value for incorrect increment for a signal type.
 
26) pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount: "must" means "MUST", right? Same questions as (24) and (25).
 
AI: Change must to MUST. Added description for returning inconsistent value for incorrect range.
 
27) pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRing: how does one know whether a system is "international" or not?  Is the table supposed to be of defaults? When "not used", what happens when one tries to get/set this object?
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
28) pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS: same questions as (27)
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
29) pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS: same questions as (27)
For example, what happens when a system is not international but the pktcSigDevCIDMode is rpAsETS?
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
30) pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK: same as (27)
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
****************************************************
Part 5 (31-71)
****************************************************
 
31) pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK: what is the purpose of
the table in the DESCRIPTION?
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
32) pktcSigDevCIDDTASAfterLR: explain what is meant
by international, specify how it behaves for get/set
on "non-international" systems, explain what the
table in the DESCRIPTION is for, and specify what the
"not used" behaviour is.
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
33) pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterDTAS: same as (32)
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
34) pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS: same as (32)
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
35) pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR: same as (32)
 
AI: Replaced historical MIB use of "international" with e line package. Added description for returning inconsistent value.
 
36) pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable: what is V5.2?
V5.1 is mentioned elsewhere, but those references
don't match this one.
 
AI: Deleted "In V5.2" since E line package contained in 101 909-4, which defines the ring cadences is already noted in the description and references.
 
37) pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable and pktcSigDevRingCadenceIndex:
The indexing should probably be 0..127, since that's how its done
in the protocol. Adding an offset of 1 doesn't add value in
this case, and it appears to increase the likelihood of
confusion for the user.
 
AI: Changed to 0 to 127 to match ETSI spec and updated description in associated table objects.
 
38) pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable: what is the lifecycle of entries
in this table?  When/How are they created and deleted?  Do they
persist across reboots or power failures?
 
AI: No change. The description already indicates the objects do not persist across reboots.
 
39) pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry: the DESCRIPTION is the one
that belongs on pktcSigDevRingCadenceIndex.
 
AI: Moved description.
 
40) pktcSigDevToneTable: the structure of this table is
a bit awkward.  It *might* make more sense if it were broken
into two tables.  The first, indexed by pktcSigDevToneType,
would hold pktcSigDevToneDbLevel, pktcSigDevToneFreqType,
pktcSigDevToneNumFrequencies, pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount,
pktcSigDevToneNumOnOffTimes, and pktcSigDevToneSteady.
The second would be indexed by pktSigDevToneType and an
Unsigned32 (1..4), collapsing pktcSigDevToneFirstFrequency,
pktcSigDevToneSecondFrequency, pktcSigDevToneThirdFrequency,
and pktcSigDevToneFourthFrequency into pktSigDevTonesFrequency,
collapsing pktcSigDevToneFirstToneOn, pktcSigDevToneSecondToneOn,
pktcSigDevToneThirdToneOn, and pktcSigDevToneFourthToneOn into
pktcSigDevTonesOn, and collapsing pktcSigDevToneFirstToneOff,
pktcSigDevToneSecondToneOff, pktcSigDevToneThirdToneOff, and
pktcSigDevToneFourthToneOff into pktSigDevTonesOff.  This is only
a suggestion.
 
AI: No change.
 
41) pktcSigDevToneTable:  The DESCRIPTION says "Any
definition of the tones callWaiting1-4 in this table
should just contain the audible tone itself and NOT
contain the delay between tones or the tone repeat count."
In those cases, how will pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount
behave on get/set?
 
AI: Changed. Added the following text to the description:
 
If the pktcSigDevToneType is callWaiting1-4, the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount does not apply and MUST be ignored on SNMP set/get operations.
 
42) pktcSigDevToneEntry: the DESCRIPTION has the text that should
be on pktcSigDevToneType.  The phrase "that are being supported"
appears to be at odds with the language in pktcSigDevToneTable
that says "for each possible index, an entry MUST be defined".
 
AI: Moved description.
 
43) pktcSigDevToneType: what is meant by "triggered"?  This
sounds at odds with the language in pktcSigDevToneTable
that says "for each possible index, an entry MUST be defined".
 
AI: Changed "triggered" to "used in".
 
44) pktcSigDevTone*Frequency: "could" seems odd in these four.
Is this intended to mean that the device might do something else?
 
AI: Changed "could be" to "are".
 
45) pktcSigDevTone*ToneOn and pktcSigDevTone*ToneOff: the
DESCRIPTIONS are unclear.  For example, does pktcSigDevFirstToneOn
represent the length of time that the tone will be on, or does it
represent the amount of time that must pass before the tone is
turned on?  For pktSigDevFirstToneOff, for example, does its value
represent the length of time that the tone will be off, or does is
represent the amount of time that must elapse after the tone is
turned on before it is turned off, or does it represent the amount
of time from the beginning of the cadence that must elapse before
the tone is turned off?
 
AI: Changed description. ToneOn = length of time tone is on. ToneOff = length of time tone is off.
 
46) pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable: there is something wrong with
this sentence in the DESCRIPTION:
             "Each endpoint can be assigned to a its own CMS."
 
AI: Deleted "a".
 
47) pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry: punctuation in DESCRIPTION:
           "Entries in pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable ? Each entry"
 
AI: Changed.
 
48) pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId: "it is highly recommended not
to change this object's value through management station during
normal operations."  Do you mean "during normal operation,
using SNMP to change this object's value is NOT RECOMMENDED" or
"during normal operation, the use of management operations to
change this object's value is NOT RECOMMENDED"?
 
AI: Changed "through management station" to "using SNMP".
 
49) pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentUdpPort: why the limited port range?
Where did 2727 come from?
 
AI: No change. Duplicate, see above. 2727 is the IANA default for the MGCP CA port:
mgcp-callagent  2727/tcp   Media Gateway Control Protocol Call Agent
mgcp-callagent  2727/udp   Media Gateway Control Protocol Call Agent
 
50) pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentUdpPort: "it is highly recommended not
to change this object's value through management station during
normal operations."  Do you mean "during normal operation,
using SNMP to change this object's value is NOT RECOMMENDED" or
"during normal operation, the use of management operations to
change this object's value is NOT RECOMMENDED"?
 
AI: Changed "through management station" to "using SNMP".
 
51) pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO:
"contains maximum" -> "contains the maximum"  (The description
and the descriptor make it sound like the device may use any
timeout value, as long as that timeout value is less than this
object's value.  Is that really the intent? Compare the
DESCRIPTIONs of this, pktcNcsEndPntConfigBusyToneTO, and
pktcNcsEndPntConfigCriticalDialTO.
 
AI: Added "the". Remainder of comment is unclear.
 
52) pktcNcsEndPntConfigTSMax: "max" -> "maximum"
It's not clear from the description what this object controls.
It defines a period that is bounded on one end by
"the sending of the initial datagram" (whatever that is) but
does not say what event is at the other end of the interval.
 
AI: Changed max to maximum. Changed description per PC NCS spec.
 
53) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1: the description says this is a
threshold, but doesn't say what object or delta/interval it
is compared to, and doesn't say what happens when the threshold
is crossed.
 
AI: Changed description. Max1 is defined in the PC MGCP spec.
 
54) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2: same as (53)
 
AI: Changed description. Max2 is defined in the PC MGCP spec.
 
55) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1QEnable: the description is unclear.
Where is timer Max1 defined?  The only other Max1 in this
document is a threshold, rather than a timer.  Also, there
is an ambiguity in the sentence.  It can be read to mean
"when Max1 expires, this object will enable or disable
the query operation" as well as to mean "the query operation
initiated whenever Max1 expires is enabled/disabled by this
object."
 
AI: Changed description to refer to thresholds. Max1 and Max2 are thresholds defined in the PC MGCP spec. 
 
56) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2QEnable: same as (55)
 
AI: Changed description to refer to thresholds. See above (55).
 
57) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMWD: the first and second sentences of
the description don't work well together.  Taken together, they
say the MTA will restart every MWD seconds (or less).  This is
probably not what is intended.
 
AI: Changed description to refer to initial power on and restart procedure per the PC NCS spec.
 
58) pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdinit: same problem as (57)  Could be
fixed by changing "after" to "before", but I'm not sure that's
what was intended.
 
AI: Changed description to refer to initiating the disconnect procedure with the call agent per PC NCS spec.
 
59) pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmin, pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmax, and
pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdinit don't work well together.  As currently
written, the disconnected procedure will be initiated three times,
once for each of these three timers.  Furthermore, are there
any constraints on their relative values?  For example, is it
OK to set pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmin to a value larger than that
of pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmax?
 
AI: No change. These values and their relationships are defined in detail in the PC NCS spec.
 
60) pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoMax / pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoInit: is
there any relationship between these two objects?  Why do they
have different units?
 
AI: No change. MGCP uses exponentially increasing timers for retransmission. RTO init is the configured initial retransmission timer value in milliseconds (per PC MGCP 4.4.2).
 
61) pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus: RFC 2579 (page 8, "NOTE WELL")
requires any use of RowStatus to specify whether columns may
be modified when the row is active, and (page 17) under what
circumstance it should/may be taken out of service.  See MIB
review guidelines section 4.6.4 for details.
 
AI: Open. Issue posted to the PC NCS/PROV reflector for input.
 
63) pktcNcsEndPntStatusError:  the DESCRIPTION says "Otherwise,
the state is unused."  Is "state" the same thing as "status" in
the rest of the DESCRIPTION?  What value does this object have
when it is "unused"?
 
AI: Replaced "Othewise the state is unused." with "If pktcMtaDevCmsIpsecCtrl is disabled for the associated Call Agent, the noSecurityAssociation status is not applicable and should not be used by the MTA."
 
64) pktcNcsEndPntStatusError:  suggest changing
            "Otherwise, pktcMtaDevCmsIpsecCtrl is enabled," ->
            "Otherwise, when pktcMtaDevCmsIpsecCtrl is enabled,"
 
AI: Changed.
 
65) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash, pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash:
are there any constraints on the relationship of the values
of these two?
 
AI: Changed description to indicate the max hook flash must be greater than min hook flash.
 
66) pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash, pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash, etc.:
"This object must only be set via the configuration file during the
provisioning process."  Is this intended to prohibit provisioning
by means other than a configuration file?
 
AI: Yes.
 
67) pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime,
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime,
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime,
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime, and
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime:
constraints with respect to each other?  with respect to Hook Flash?
 
AI: Changed descriptions to indicate the max must be greater than min. No formal relationship between
min/max make/break. Hook flash is generally longer duration than dial pulse but there is no formal spec.
 
68) Problems in object descriptors (review guidelines
 
AI: No change. Comment about object descriptors is not clear.
 
69) MIB review guidelines appendix C.  These are
only *suggested* naming conventions, but they're worth
considering, especially since the current draft is mostly
consistant.  Current aberrations that I noticed:
 
   PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN
but
   pktcSigMib MODULE-IDENTITY
 
   pktcSigMib MODULE-IDENTITY
and
   PktcSigType     ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
but
   PktcCodecType ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
   PktcRingCadence   ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
 
(Assuming
   TenthdBm ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
is intended for external use.)
 
   pktcSigMib MODULE-IDENTITY
and
   pktcSigMibObjects OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { pktcSigMib 1 }
   pktcSigDevConfigObjects OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=
   pktcSigNotification  OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { pktcSigMib 0 }
   pktcSigConformance   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { pktcSigMib 2 }
   pktcSigCompliances   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { pktcSigConformance 1 }
   pktcSigGroups        OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { pktcSigConformance 2 }
but
   pktcNcsEndPntConfigObjects OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=
 
   pktcSigCapabilityEntry    OBJECT-TYPE
but
       pktcSignalingIndex             Unsigned32,
       pktcSignalingType              PktcSigType,
       pktcSignalingVersion           SnmpAdminString,
       pktcSignalingVendorExtension   SnmpAdminString
 
   pktcSigMib MODULE-IDENTITY
but
   pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable  OBJECT-TYPE
and
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId             SnmpAdminString,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentUdpPort        InetPortNumber,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO           Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigCriticalDialTO          Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigBusyToneTO              Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigDialToneTO              Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMessageWaitingTO        Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigOffHookWarnToneTO       Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigRingingTO               Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigRingBackTO              Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigReorderToneTO           Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigStutterDialToneTO       Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigTSMax                   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1                    Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2                    Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1QEnable             TruthValue,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2QEnable             TruthValue,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMWD                     Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdinit                  Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmin                   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmax                   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoMax                  Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoInit                 Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigLongDurationKeepAlive   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigThist                   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus                  RowStatus,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingMaxRep       Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingDelay        Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType       InetAddressType,
       pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress           InetAddress,
       pktcNcsEndPntStatusError                   INTEGER,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash            Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash            Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime    Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime    Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime   Unsigned32,
       pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime   Unsigned32
 
AI: Changed MIB module name to pktcIetfSigMib. No other name changes made. 
 
70) MIB review guidelines section 3.2 second paragraph
 
AI: Duplicate, see above. Overview section changed to include narrative on MIB modules.
 
71) MIB review guidelines section 3.7.2
 
AI: Duplicate, see above. IANA section added.
 
****************************************************
Reflector Comments
****************************************************
 
1. Changed default value of pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash from 500 to 800.
 
2. Added text to description to indicate wholetonerepeatcount and pktcSigDevToneSteady do not override the
duration in an associated timeout (TO) object.
 
****************************************************
Other
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Added ilbc and bv16 to PktcCodecType.
 
Gordon Beacham
Motorola, Inc.

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Bert - I hope to have Jean-Francois' comments and have them incorporated in time for
submission by Wednesday. Here are specific responses to your comments (interspersed):

The other changes so far include:
-- IPR and copyright boilerplate changes
-- updated reference to BPI+ spec.

- Wilson

"Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:

> Wilson (and WG). Sorry that it took long (again) to do another
> good check of this MIB document.
>
> I think this doc is basically OK now. I did find some small things
> as per below, and it would be good to fix those at some point.
> I propose that I issue an IETF Last Call, and that the below comments
> are considered as the initial comments on such an IETF Last Call
> and that you address them (or answer them) as part of any other comments
> that may come up from IETF Last Call.
>
> Wilson/WG-chair(s), pls let me know if that sounds like a plan or if
> you ratehr address/answer the below first.
>
> What I did find is:
>
> >From SMICng (strict checking). I thought I had reported this before ( see I
> did, but you probably opted to not do it since it is not mandatory).
> Oh well, I am including it anayway (again), because I really belive it
> is betetr to include them.
>
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (478,15) Item "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (480,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (481,15) Item "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (482,15) Item "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (483,15) Item "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (484,15) Item "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (487,11) Item "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (493,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (499,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (506,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (512,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (518,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (524,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (530,11) Item "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (536,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (542,11) Item "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (548,11) Item "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (554,11) Item "diffServActionStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (560,11) Item "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (566,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
>   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (572,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" should be IMPORTed
>

Added these to the IMPORTS clause as suggested.


>
> According to our MIB review guidelines (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt)
> section 4.4, 3rd para:
>    Note that exemptions to this general requirement are granted by RFC
>    2580 Sections 5.4.3 and 6.5.2 for descriptors of objects appearing in
>    the OBJECT clause of a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement or in the
>    VARIATION clause of an AGENT-CAPABILITIES statement.  Some MIB
>    compilers also grant exemptions to descriptors of notifications
>    appearing in a VARIATION clause and to descriptors of object groups
>    and notification groups referenced by a MANDATORY-GROUPS clause, a
>    GROUP clause, or an INCLUDES clause, although RFC 2580 (through
>    apparent oversight) does not mention those cases.  The exemptions are
>    sometimes seen as unhelpful because they make IMPORTS rules more
>    complicated and inter-module dependencies less obvious than they
>    otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
>    statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be listed in the
>    IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done consistently.
>
> So it is not mandatory to do the IMPORTs, but in my view it will help in
> many places with less warning/errors. So may I suggest to add the IMPORT
> statement for the above.
>
> Also, all documents from whihc you IMPORT (implied or explicit) you must
> put in normative reference section (which you have done). But all such
> references MUST have a citation in the text (see MIB review guidelines,
> (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt, sect 3.5):
>    3.5.  References Sections
>
>    Section 4.7f of [RFC2223bis] specifies the requirements for the
>    references sections.  In particular, there MUST be separate lists of
>    normative and informative references, each in a separate section.
>    The style SHOULD follow that of recently published RFCs.
>
>    The standard MIB boilerplate available at
>    http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-boilerplate.html includes lists of
>    normative and informative references that MUST appear in all IETF
>    specifications that contain MIB modules.  If items from other MIB
>    modules appear in an IMPORTS statement in the Definitions section,
>    then the specifications containing those MIB modules MUST be included
>    in the list of normative references.  When items are imported from an
>    IANA-maintained MIB module the corresponding normative reference
>    SHALL point to the on-line version of that MIB module.  It is the
>    policy of the RFC Editor that all references must be cited in the
>    text;  such citations MUST appear in the overview section where
>    documents containing imported definitions (other those already
>    mentioned in the MIB boilerplate) are required to be mentioned (cf.
>    Section 3.2).
>
> You have such a reference for RFC3291 (as required), but no citation
> to [RFC3291] anywhere in the document. Can you pls add it at
> some point in the text.
>
> I have some other nits/questions:
>
> 1. Desription clause of docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex states, towards the end:
>
>        the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the number of entries
>        equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, AND
>        docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true, then the packet is dropped.
>        Otherwise the packet is forwarded. "
>
>    In the case that the packet is forwarded, will then also an entry be
>    created? That is not clear to me. May I suggest to add some text to
>    make that 100% clear?
>

That paragraph reworded to:

    If docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true and a CMTS receives
    an IP packet from a CM that contains a source IP address which
    does not match one of the docsSubMgtCpeIpAddr entries for this
    CM, one of two things occurs.  If the number of entries is less
    than docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, the source address is added to
    the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the number of entries
    equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, then the packet is
    dropped."

>
> 2. In description clause of docsSubMgtCmFilterTable it states:
>
>        Zero is a distinguished value, indicating that the default
>        filtering action is to be taken, rather than that associated
>
>    Mmm... a value for the table? I guess you mean that such a zero
>    value "in any of the columns of the table has a special maening.
>    Right? Might want to make that clearer.
>

now reads:

    For each of the columns in this table, zero is a distinguished
    value, indicating that the default filtering action is to be
    taken, rather than that associated with a filter group number.
    Zero is used if the filter group is not signaled by DOCSIS
    registration.

>
> 3. I see:
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6      docsSubMgtCmFilterTable
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1    docsSubMgtCmFilterEntry
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.3  docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.4  docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream
>    I think that for naming consistency, it might be better to rename
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
>    into something like:
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtCmSubFilterDownstream
>      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtCMmubFilterUpstream
>    so as to make it clearer (from the name/descriptor) that these 2
>    objects exists in the docsSubMgtCmFilterTable.

renamed, per your last exchange with Eduardo, to:

    docsSubMgtCmFilterSubDownstream
    docsSubMgtCmFilterSubUpstream
    docsSubMgtCmFilterCmDownstream
    docsSubMgtCmFilterCmUpstream

>
> 4. I am a bit worried about the hard limit (range) of 1-255 for FilterGroupIndex.
>    Is this enough forever in the future? Or would it be wiser to use a larger
>    range (and limit via MODULE-COMPLIANCE, as you already do)?
>    I see it was larger before, and that you changed it to this smaller range.
>    So I guess you are doing this consciously.

I was mistaken regarding the signaled width of this item - it is actually 2 octets. I
changed the range to 1..65535 to match the actual signaled width.

>
> 5. In description clause of docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex I see:
>
>        the four. Because this is the only field in this table, it is
>        read-only, contrary to the usual SNMP custom of making indices
>        not-accessible.
>
>    Probably better to change SNMP into SMI.
>

done.

>
> 6. In the Security Considerations, I think I would change the 2nd para
>    to make a positive statement, namely that you MUST follow recommendations
>    in sect 2.2.6 in order to deploy an effective filtering.

changed to:

Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
MUST follow the recommendations in section 2.2.6.


>
> Thanks,
> Bert


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Looks good to me.

Thanks, Bert


> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
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> Subject: Re: AD review of: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-14.txt
> 
> 
> Bert - I hope to have Jean-Francois' comments and have them 
> incorporated in time for
> submission by Wednesday. Here are specific responses to your 
> comments (interspersed):
> 
> The other changes so far include:
> -- IPR and copyright boilerplate changes
> -- updated reference to BPI+ spec.
> 
> - Wilson
> 
> "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:
> 
> > Wilson (and WG). Sorry that it took long (again) to do another
> > good check of this MIB document.
> >
> > I think this doc is basically OK now. I did find some small things
> > as per below, and it would be good to fix those at some point.
> > I propose that I issue an IETF Last Call, and that the 
> below comments
> > are considered as the initial comments on such an IETF Last Call
> > and that you address them (or answer them) as part of any 
> other comments
> > that may come up from IETF Last Call.
> >
> > Wilson/WG-chair(s), pls let me know if that sounds like a plan or if
> > you ratehr address/answer the below first.
> >
> > What I did find is:
> >
> > >From SMICng (strict checking). I thought I had reported 
> this before ( see I
> > did, but you probably opted to not do it since it is not mandatory).
> > Oh well, I am including it anayway (again), because I 
> really belive it
> > is betetr to include them.
> >
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (478,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (480,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (481,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (482,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (483,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (484,15) Item 
> "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (487,11) Item 
> "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (493,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (499,11) Item 
> "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (506,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (512,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (518,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (524,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (530,11) Item 
> "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (536,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (542,11) Item 
> "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (548,11) Item 
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (554,11) Item "diffServActionStorage" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (560,11) Item 
> "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (566,11) Item 
> "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (572,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" 
> should be IMPORTed
> >
> 
> Added these to the IMPORTS clause as suggested.
> 
> 
> >
> > According to our MIB review guidelines 
> (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt)
> > section 4.4, 3rd para:
> >    Note that exemptions to this general requirement are 
> granted by RFC
> >    2580 Sections 5.4.3 and 6.5.2 for descriptors of objects 
> appearing in
> >    the OBJECT clause of a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement or in the
> >    VARIATION clause of an AGENT-CAPABILITIES statement.  Some MIB
> >    compilers also grant exemptions to descriptors of notifications
> >    appearing in a VARIATION clause and to descriptors of 
> object groups
> >    and notification groups referenced by a MANDATORY-GROUPS 
> clause, a
> >    GROUP clause, or an INCLUDES clause, although RFC 2580 (through
> >    apparent oversight) does not mention those cases.  The 
> exemptions are
> >    sometimes seen as unhelpful because they make IMPORTS rules more
> >    complicated and inter-module dependencies less obvious than they
> >    otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
> >    statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be 
> listed in the
> >    IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done 
> consistently.
> >
> > So it is not mandatory to do the IMPORTs, but in my view it 
> will help in
> > many places with less warning/errors. So may I suggest to 
> add the IMPORT
> > statement for the above.
> >
> > Also, all documents from whihc you IMPORT (implied or 
> explicit) you must
> > put in normative reference section (which you have done). 
> But all such
> > references MUST have a citation in the text (see MIB review 
> guidelines,
> > (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt, sect 3.5):
> >    3.5.  References Sections
> >
> >    Section 4.7f of [RFC2223bis] specifies the requirements for the
> >    references sections.  In particular, there MUST be 
> separate lists of
> >    normative and informative references, each in a separate section.
> >    The style SHOULD follow that of recently published RFCs.
> >
> >    The standard MIB boilerplate available at
> >    http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-boilerplate.html includes lists of
> >    normative and informative references that MUST appear in all IETF
> >    specifications that contain MIB modules.  If items from other MIB
> >    modules appear in an IMPORTS statement in the 
> Definitions section,
> >    then the specifications containing those MIB modules 
> MUST be included
> >    in the list of normative references.  When items are 
> imported from an
> >    IANA-maintained MIB module the corresponding normative reference
> >    SHALL point to the on-line version of that MIB module.  It is the
> >    policy of the RFC Editor that all references must be cited in the
> >    text;  such citations MUST appear in the overview section where
> >    documents containing imported definitions (other those already
> >    mentioned in the MIB boilerplate) are required to be 
> mentioned (cf.
> >    Section 3.2).
> >
> > You have such a reference for RFC3291 (as required), but no citation
> > to [RFC3291] anywhere in the document. Can you pls add it at
> > some point in the text.
> >
> > I have some other nits/questions:
> >
> > 1. Desription clause of docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex states, 
> towards the end:
> >
> >        the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the 
> number of entries
> >        equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, AND
> >        docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true, then the packet 
> is dropped.
> >        Otherwise the packet is forwarded. "
> >
> >    In the case that the packet is forwarded, will then also 
> an entry be
> >    created? That is not clear to me. May I suggest to add 
> some text to
> >    make that 100% clear?
> >
> 
> That paragraph reworded to:
> 
>     If docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true and a CMTS receives
>     an IP packet from a CM that contains a source IP address which
>     does not match one of the docsSubMgtCpeIpAddr entries for this
>     CM, one of two things occurs.  If the number of entries is less
>     than docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, the source address is added to
>     the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the number of entries
>     equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, then the packet is
>     dropped."
> 
> >
> > 2. In description clause of docsSubMgtCmFilterTable it states:
> >
> >        Zero is a distinguished value, indicating that the default
> >        filtering action is to be taken, rather than that associated
> >
> >    Mmm... a value for the table? I guess you mean that such a zero
> >    value "in any of the columns of the table has a special maening.
> >    Right? Might want to make that clearer.
> >
> 
> now reads:
> 
>     For each of the columns in this table, zero is a distinguished
>     value, indicating that the default filtering action is to be
>     taken, rather than that associated with a filter group number.
>     Zero is used if the filter group is not signaled by DOCSIS
>     registration.
> 
> >
> > 3. I see:
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6      docsSubMgtCmFilterTable
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1    docsSubMgtCmFilterEntry
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.3  docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.4  docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream
> >    I think that for naming consistency, it might be better to rename
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
> >    into something like:
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtCmSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtCMmubFilterUpstream
> >    so as to make it clearer (from the name/descriptor) that these 2
> >    objects exists in the docsSubMgtCmFilterTable.
> 
> renamed, per your last exchange with Eduardo, to:
> 
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterSubDownstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterSubUpstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterCmDownstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterCmUpstream
> 
> >
> > 4. I am a bit worried about the hard limit (range) of 1-255 
> for FilterGroupIndex.
> >    Is this enough forever in the future? Or would it be 
> wiser to use a larger
> >    range (and limit via MODULE-COMPLIANCE, as you already do)?
> >    I see it was larger before, and that you changed it to 
> this smaller range.
> >    So I guess you are doing this consciously.
> 
> I was mistaken regarding the signaled width of this item - it 
> is actually 2 octets. I
> changed the range to 1..65535 to match the actual signaled width.
> 
> >
> > 5. In description clause of docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex I see:
> >
> >        the four. Because this is the only field in this table, it is
> >        read-only, contrary to the usual SNMP custom of 
> making indices
> >        not-accessible.
> >
> >    Probably better to change SNMP into SMI.
> >
> 
> done.
> 
> >
> > 6. In the Security Considerations, I think I would change 
> the 2nd para
> >    to make a positive statement, namely that you MUST 
> follow recommendations
> >    in sect 2.2.6 in order to deploy an effective filtering.
> 
> changed to:
> 
> Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
> MUST follow the recommendations in section 2.2.6.
> 
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bert
> 

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Hi Wilson,

  Thanks for the update.
  Below are a couple of editorial and technical comments based on draft
14 and the alpha draft15 you provided to me.

--- 1. I-D boilerplate
http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html
Per our discussion, see ID Checklist, section 2.2, especially, items 1,
10, 11 and 12.

--- 2. Use of MUST, other requirement verbs and reference to 2119
Since you have some requirements using capital MUST verbs, you should
add a section like this:
   3.  Conventions Used In This Document
   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
   document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14, RFC 2119
   [RFC2119].

   And add a normative reference for:
   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key Words for use in RFCs to Indicate
              Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997.

--- 3. Full spelling of the wg in the ORGANIZATION:
See MIB review guidelines section 4.5.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines
-03.txt

<      ORGANIZATION    "IETF IPCDN Working Group"
>      ORGANIZATION    "IETF IP over Cable Data Network (IPCDN)=20
>                       Working Group"

--- 4. Nits
  - consider using "MIB module" instead of "MIB" when you mean the subs.
mgmt part of the MIB
  - DOCSIS should be all capital (global search/replace, I found one bad
occurrence)
  -=20

--- 5. Technical - important
Since RFC 2669 will be replaced by the cable device v2 RFC at
publication, did you double-check that all the objects you  are
referencing (or using) from RFC 2669 are still "current" in the latest
ID?
In section 2.2.1, I found 1 instance where the above comment raises a
concern for docsDevCpeIp (my comments start with #):
   o    docsDevCpeEnroll
# ok, this object is current.
   o    docsDevCpeIpMax
# ok, this object is current.
   o    docsDevCpeIp
# this one object is now deprecated from the RFC update. We should
# probably mention the replacement: docsDevCpeInetTable table or
# its equivalent in that table or mention both.

--- 6. Add an IANA consideration section
A new IANA consideration section is now required, see ID checklist 2.2
#7.b.
Suggestion:
The MIB module in this document uses the following IANA-assigned
OBJECT IDENTIFIER values recorded in the SMI Numbers registry:
=20
Descriptor     OBJECT IDENTIFIER Value
----------     -----------------------
docsSubMgt     { mib-2 xx }
=20
Editor's Note (to be removed prior to publication): the IANA is
requested to assign a value for xx under the mib-2 subtree and to
record the assignment in the SMI Numbers registry.  When the
assignment has been made, the RFC Editor is asked to replace xx (here
and in the MIB module) with the assigned value and to remove this
note.

--- 7 . CableLabs Spec references: add archives URL
For all CableLabs Spec' references, also add the following URL:
  http://www.cablelabs.com/specifications/archives/
(the main reason here is that if some specs get updated, readers will be
able to find the referenced versions in the archive repository).


--- 8. SMIC compilation errors
Compiles clean except for those kinds of compilation errors:
E: f(subs.mi2), (525,25) a bit or enum list is not allowed on a TC

For e.g.
   MODULE DIFFSERV-MIB -- RFC3289
     MANDATORY-GROUPS {
              diffServMIBDataPathGroup,
              diffServMIBClfrGroup,
              diffServMIBClfrElementGroup,
              diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup,
              diffServMIBActionGroup,
              diffServMIBAlgDropGroup,
              diffServMIBCounterGroup
              }

   OBJECT diffServDataPathStatus  -- same as RFC3289
       SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1) }
-- ># E: f(subs.mi2), (525,25) a bit or enum list is not allowed on a TC
       WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
       DESCRIPTION
           "Support for createAndWait and notInService is not required."

I don't see the issue and don't have time to dig but the SMI you have
looks good to me and is in sync with what is in RFC 3289. Just wanted to
point this out though.

That's all I could see in the time I could allocate for the review.

Jean-Francois.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson Sawyer [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]=20
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:56 AM
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: wsawyer@ieee.org; Ipcdn (E-mail); Jean-Francois Mule;=20
> Richard Woundy @ Comcast
> Subject: Re: AD review of: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-14.txt
>=20
>=20
> Bert - I hope to have Jean-Francois' comments and have them=20
> incorporated in time for submission by Wednesday. Here are=20
> specific responses to your comments (interspersed):
>=20
> The other changes so far include:
> -- IPR and copyright boilerplate changes
> -- updated reference to BPI+ spec.
>=20
> - Wilson
>=20
> "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:
>=20
> > Wilson (and WG). Sorry that it took long (again) to do another good=20
> > check of this MIB document.
> >
> > I think this doc is basically OK now. I did find some small=20
> things as=20
> > per below, and it would be good to fix those at some point.=20
> I propose=20
> > that I issue an IETF Last Call, and that the below comments are=20
> > considered as the initial comments on such an IETF Last=20
> Call and that=20
> > you address them (or answer them) as part of any other=20
> comments that=20
> > may come up from IETF Last Call.
> >
> > Wilson/WG-chair(s), pls let me know if that sounds like a=20
> plan or if=20
> > you ratehr address/answer the below first.
> >
> > What I did find is:
> >
> > >From SMICng (strict checking). I thought I had reported=20
> this before (=20
> > >see I
> > did, but you probably opted to not do it since it is not=20
> mandatory).=20
> > Oh well, I am including it anayway (again), because I=20
> really belive it=20
> > is betetr to include them.
> >
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (478,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBDataPathGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (479,15) Item "diffServMIBClfrGroup"=20
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (480,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBClfrElementGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (481,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBMultiFieldClfrGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (482,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBActionGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (483,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBAlgDropGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (484,15) Item=20
> "diffServMIBCounterGroup" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (487,11) Item=20
> "diffServDataPathStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (493,11) Item "diffServClfrStatus"=20
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (499,11) Item=20
> "diffServClfrElementStatus" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (506,11) Item=20
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrAddrType" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (512,11) Item=20
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrSrcAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (518,11) Item=20
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrDstAddr" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (524,11) Item "diffServAlgDropStatus"=20
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (530,11) Item=20
> "diffServDataPathStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (536,11) Item "diffServClfrStorage"=20
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (542,11) Item=20
> "diffServClfrElementStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (548,11) Item=20
> "diffServMultiFieldClfrStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (554,11) Item "diffServActionStorage"=20
> should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (560,11) Item=20
> "diffServCountActStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (566,11) Item=20
> "diffServAlgDropStorage" should be IMPORTed
> >   E: f(ipcdnsub.mi2), (572,11) Item "diffServAlgDropType" should be=20
> > IMPORTed
> >
>=20
> Added these to the IMPORTS clause as suggested.
>=20
>=20
> >
> > According to our MIB review guidelines=20
> > (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt)
> > section 4.4, 3rd para:
> >    Note that exemptions to this general requirement are=20
> granted by RFC
> >    2580 Sections 5.4.3 and 6.5.2 for descriptors of objects=20
> appearing in
> >    the OBJECT clause of a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement or in the
> >    VARIATION clause of an AGENT-CAPABILITIES statement.  Some MIB
> >    compilers also grant exemptions to descriptors of notifications
> >    appearing in a VARIATION clause and to descriptors of=20
> object groups
> >    and notification groups referenced by a MANDATORY-GROUPS=20
> clause, a
> >    GROUP clause, or an INCLUDES clause, although RFC 2580 (through
> >    apparent oversight) does not mention those cases.  The=20
> exemptions are
> >    sometimes seen as unhelpful because they make IMPORTS rules more
> >    complicated and inter-module dependencies less obvious than they
> >    otherwise would be.  External symbols referenced by compliance
> >    statements and capabilities statements MAY therefore be=20
> listed in the
> >    IMPORTS statement;  if this is done, it SHOULD be done=20
> consistently.
> >
> > So it is not mandatory to do the IMPORTs, but in my view it=20
> will help=20
> > in many places with less warning/errors. So may I suggest=20
> to add the=20
> > IMPORT statement for the above.
> >
> > Also, all documents from whihc you IMPORT (implied or explicit) you=20
> > must put in normative reference section (which you have=20
> done). But all=20
> > such references MUST have a citation in the text (see MIB review=20
> > guidelines, (draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-03.txt, sect 3.5):
> >    3.5.  References Sections
> >
> >    Section 4.7f of [RFC2223bis] specifies the requirements for the
> >    references sections.  In particular, there MUST be=20
> separate lists of
> >    normative and informative references, each in a separate section.
> >    The style SHOULD follow that of recently published RFCs.
> >
> >    The standard MIB boilerplate available at
> >    http://www.ops.ietf.org/mib-boilerplate.html includes lists of
> >    normative and informative references that MUST appear in all IETF
> >    specifications that contain MIB modules.  If items from other MIB
> >    modules appear in an IMPORTS statement in the=20
> Definitions section,
> >    then the specifications containing those MIB modules=20
> MUST be included
> >    in the list of normative references.  When items are=20
> imported from an
> >    IANA-maintained MIB module the corresponding normative reference
> >    SHALL point to the on-line version of that MIB module.  It is the
> >    policy of the RFC Editor that all references must be cited in the
> >    text;  such citations MUST appear in the overview section where
> >    documents containing imported definitions (other those already
> >    mentioned in the MIB boilerplate) are required to be=20
> mentioned (cf.
> >    Section 3.2).
> >
> > You have such a reference for RFC3291 (as required), but no=20
> citation=20
> > to [RFC3291] anywhere in the document. Can you pls add it at some=20
> > point in the text.
> >
> > I have some other nits/questions:
> >
> > 1. Desription clause of docsSubMgtCpeIpIndex states,=20
> towards the end:
> >
> >        the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the=20
> number of entries
> >        equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, AND
> >        docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true, then the packet=20
> is dropped.
> >        Otherwise the packet is forwarded. "
> >
> >    In the case that the packet is forwarded, will then also=20
> an entry be
> >    created? That is not clear to me. May I suggest to add=20
> some text to
> >    make that 100% clear?
> >
>=20
> That paragraph reworded to:
>=20
>     If docsSubMgtCpeControlActive is true and a CMTS receives
>     an IP packet from a CM that contains a source IP address which
>     does not match one of the docsSubMgtCpeIpAddr entries for this
>     CM, one of two things occurs.  If the number of entries is less
>     than docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, the source address is added to
>     the table and the packet is forwarded.  If the number of entries
>     equals the docsSubMgtCpeControlMaxCpeIp, then the packet is
>     dropped."
>=20
> >
> > 2. In description clause of docsSubMgtCmFilterTable it states:
> >
> >        Zero is a distinguished value, indicating that the default
> >        filtering action is to be taken, rather than that associated
> >
> >    Mmm... a value for the table? I guess you mean that such a zero
> >    value "in any of the columns of the table has a special maening.
> >    Right? Might want to make that clearer.
> >
>=20
> now reads:
>=20
>     For each of the columns in this table, zero is a distinguished
>     value, indicating that the default filtering action is to be
>     taken, rather than that associated with a filter group number.
>     Zero is used if the filter group is not signaled by DOCSIS
>     registration.
>=20
> >
> > 3. I see:
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6      docsSubMgtCmFilterTable
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1    docsSubMgtCmFilterEntry
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.3  docsSubMgtCmFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.4  docsSubMgtCmFilterUpstream
> >    I think that for naming consistency, it might be better to rename
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtSubFilterUpstream
> >    into something like:
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.1  docsSubMgtCmSubFilterDownstream
> >      1.3.6.1.2.1.xx.1.6.1.2  docsSubMgtCMmubFilterUpstream
> >    so as to make it clearer (from the name/descriptor) that these 2
> >    objects exists in the docsSubMgtCmFilterTable.
>=20
> renamed, per your last exchange with Eduardo, to:
>=20
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterSubDownstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterSubUpstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterCmDownstream
>     docsSubMgtCmFilterCmUpstream
>=20
> >
> > 4. I am a bit worried about the hard limit (range) of 1-255=20
> for FilterGroupIndex.
> >    Is this enough forever in the future? Or would it be=20
> wiser to use a larger
> >    range (and limit via MODULE-COMPLIANCE, as you already do)?
> >    I see it was larger before, and that you changed it to=20
> this smaller range.
> >    So I guess you are doing this consciously.
>=20
> I was mistaken regarding the signaled width of this item - it=20
> is actually 2 octets. I changed the range to 1..65535 to=20
> match the actual signaled width.
>=20
> >
> > 5. In description clause of docsSubMgtFilterGroupIndex I see:
> >
> >        the four. Because this is the only field in this table, it is
> >        read-only, contrary to the usual SNMP custom of=20
> making indices
> >        not-accessible.
> >
> >    Probably better to change SNMP into SMI.
> >
>=20
> done.
>=20
> >
> > 6. In the Security Considerations, I think I would change=20
> the 2nd para
> >    to make a positive statement, namely that you MUST=20
> follow recommendations
> >    in sect 2.2.6 in order to deploy an effective filtering.
>=20
> changed to:
>=20
> Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that=20
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		 	  Termination Systems for Subscriber Management
	Author(s)	: W. Sawyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-15.txt
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	Date		: 2004-9-20
	
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Management Information Base for Data Over Cable Service Interface 
Specification (DOCSIS)
  Cable Modem Termination Systems for Subscriber Management (Proposed Standard)

COMMENT

   The 2nd paragraph of Section 9 says:
   :
   : Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
   : MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
   :
   I suggest replacement text:

     For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
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Management Information Base for DOCSIS Cable Modems and Cable Modem Termination
Systems for Baseline Privacy Plus (Proposed Standard)

DISCUSS

   The definition of docsBpi2CmPublicKey begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
   :
   The selection of these few octet string sizes is inappropriate.
   PKCS #1 encoding of an RSA public key is a SEQUENCE of two
   INTEGERs.  One example of an acceptable RSA public key that
   cannot be accommodated by this definition follows.  It is 139
   octets.

        0 30  137: SEQUENCE {
        3 02  129:   INTEGER
                 :     00 DD D8 49 85 DD 76 BE 9C 64 D2 6A 0C B3 3A 14
                 :     0B 37 A5 60 97 90 40 3D C0 C6 9C 01 FB D0 6F B6
                 :     49 56 E5 1A 44 F7 C7 1D 23 4C 91 A2 6F BE F7 9A
                 :     D0 5F F0 88 9A 01 A2 0A 20 78 22 45 1A 9D 77 8F
                 :     CA 14 3E 75 44 3C D6 67 16 21 E5 42 B5 EC BF 62
                 :     6C 09 0E 4D D9 79 D0 55 82 5C 9C FD B1 B9 B6 A6
                 :     5B 42 83 FA 90 1E 74 3F 5C 1C 1F D8 73 40 94 3C
                 :     9A 9F 2A 04 FE ED 8C 69 C3 0E 10 A6 3B 0B A7 A4
                 :     CD
      135 02    3:   INTEGER 65537
                 :   }

   I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
   chosen that accommodate all valid RSA public keys.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmPublicKey has the same problem.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                              none(0),
   :                              des56CbcMode(1),
   :                              des40CbcMode(2)
   :                              }
   :
   And, the definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg begins:
   :
   : docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :      SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                             none(0)
   :                             }
   :
   These same values are also used in the docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataEncryptAlg,
   and docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataAuthentAlg definitions.

   None of the encryption algorithm choices is a strong encryption
   algorithm.  Also, the encryption algorithm choice do not
   provide integrity, so they ought to be used with an integrity
   algorithm, but none are specified.  Can we get a strong
   encryption algorithm added to the list?  Can we get an strong
   integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
   of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

   COMMENT

   Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to publication
   as an RFC.

   In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/


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Bert, I am not sure if this is just perception from the parser output:
Below is a similar public key pair that indicates the offsets line by
line=20
Ofsset 135 (zero  based) indicates the start of the public exponent (5
bytes)
Offset 140 indicates the offset of byte 141



Here is a 140 octets PKCS#1 public key pair

Off =20
  0      30 81 89
  3      02 81 81=20
  6               00 cf 32 d2 0b 31 d5 47 f9 73 98 8a 83 62 e1 fb
 22               dc e6 3b 0b 4b b8 d6 3b 35 31 5d dc 7a 72 89 fe
 38               e9 18 20 c7 83 7b 76 d7 75 36 91 72 f6 17 8f 5a
 54               59 68 28 87 0d 9b 25 88 52 7b cb a2 52 10 26 89
 70               69 4f 0d d1 d9 2d 71 aa 03 35 e2 81 5d b0 31 8b
 86               4c 3d e9 0a df b4 8c e4 99 7f d1 47 86 5b 9e 3d=20
102               07 c3 a8 58 f3 2f f2 d3 09 a6 e3 e5 4c 53 23 44=20
118               46 6c 6b 03 ae 90 76 38 60 de 23 02 f9 c0 3b e4=20
134               ed
135      02 03 01 00 01
140

Bytes size =3D 3 + 3 + 129 + 5 =3D 140

And the output from for the equivalent binary file=20
from openssl asn1parse command:

    0:d=3D0  hl=3D3 l=3D 137 cons: SEQUENCE
    3:d=3D1  hl=3D3 l=3D 129 prim: INTEGER          =20
                             :CF32D20B31D547F973988A8362E1FBDC
                              E63B0B4BB8D63B35315DDC7A7289FEE9
                              1820C7837B76D775369172F6178F5A59
                              6828870D9B2588527BCBA25210268969
                              4F0DD1D92D71AA0335E2815DB0318B4C
                              3DE90ADFB48CE4997FD147865B9E3D07
                              C3A858F32FF2D309A6E3E54C53234446
                              6C6B03AE90763860DE2302F9C03BE4ED
  135:d=3D1  hl=3D2 l=3D   3 prim: INTEGER           :010001



>
>   I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
>   chosen that accommodate all valid RSA public keys.

 DOCSIS uses a subset of moduli values that matches the sizes described
by the MIB object
 After the explanations above, is this still an issue?


> Can we get an strong
>   integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
>   of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

I can't disclosure current spec work around DOCSIS protocols in IPCDN
who includes=20
persons probably not under CableLabs NDAs.=20

Perhaps a reference to section 7.7 of BPI+ specification (available at
http://www.cablelabs.com/specifications/archives/SP-BPI+_I10-030730.pdf
)
will that be sufice by indicate the Protocol extensibility for strong
algorithms=20
which are highly recommended.=20



7.7 Supporting Alternative Algorithms
The current BPI+ specification requires the use of 56-bit DES for
encrypting packet data, two-key
triple DES for encrypting traffic encryption keys, 1024-bit [RSA] for
encrypting Authorization keys,
and 1024-to-2048-bit [RSA] for signing BPI+ X.509 certificates. The
choice of key lengths and
algorithms, while appropriate for current threat models and hardware
capabilities, may be
inappropriate in the future.
For example, it is generally agreed that DES is approaching the end of
its practical usefulness as the
industry standard for symmetric encryption. NIST is currently overseeing
the development and
adoption of a new standard encryption algorithm, commonly referred to as
the Advanced Encryption
Standard, or AES. Given the nature of the security services BPI+ is
being asked to support (basic
privacy at a level better than or equal to that possible over dedicated
wires, and conditional access to
RF data transport services) as well as the protocol's flexible key
management policy (i.e., setting of
key lifetimes), DOCSIS-based service providers will be justified in the
continued reliance on DES for,
at least, the next five years. Nevertheless, at some future date, DOCSIS
Cable modems will need to
adopt a stronger traffic encryption algorithm, possibly AES.
Adopting a new algorithm for packet data encryption will not require a
redesign of BPI+. The
protocol's consistent use of Type/Length/Value encoding of BPKM
attributes, MAC Header Extended
Header elements, and security capabilities selection in the
authorization exchange guarantee BPI+'s
extensibility. In fact, changes in any of BPI+'s cryptographic
algorithms, or associated key lengths,
will have no impact on the overall structure and operation of the
protocol.=20
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>  COMMENT
>
>   Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to
publication
>   as an RFC.
>
>   In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/

OK

Thanks

Eduardo


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Management Information Base for DOCSIS Cable Modems and Cable Modem
Termination Systems for Baseline Privacy Plus (Proposed Standard)

DISCUSS

   The definition of docsBpi2CmPublicKey begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
   :
  The selection of these few octet string sizes is inappropriate.
   PKCS #1 encoding of an RSA public key is a SEQUENCE of two
   INTEGERs.  One example of an acceptable RSA public key that
   cannot be accommodated by this definition follows.  It is 139
   octets.

        0 30  137: SEQUENCE {
        3 02  129:   INTEGER
                 :     00 DD D8 49 85 DD 76 BE 9C 64 D2 6A 0C B3 3A 14
                 :     0B 37 A5 60 97 90 40 3D C0 C6 9C 01 FB D0 6F B6
                 :     49 56 E5 1A 44 F7 C7 1D 23 4C 91 A2 6F BE F7 9A
                 :     D0 5F F0 88 9A 01 A2 0A 20 78 22 45 1A 9D 77 8F
                 :     CA 14 3E 75 44 3C D6 67 16 21 E5 42 B5 EC BF 62
                 :     6C 09 0E 4D D9 79 D0 55 82 5C 9C FD B1 B9 B6 A6
                 :     5B 42 83 FA 90 1E 74 3F 5C 1C 1F D8 73 40 94 3C
                 :     9A 9F 2A 04 FE ED 8C 69 C3 0E 10 A6 3B 0B A7 A4
                 :     CD
      135 02    3:   INTEGER 65537
                 :   }

   I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
   chosen that accommodate all valid RSA public keys.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmPublicKey has the same problem.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                              none(0),
   :                              des56CbcMode(1),
   :                              des40CbcMode(2)
   :                              }
   :
   And, the definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg begins:
   :
   : docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :      SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                             none(0)
   :                             }
   :
   These same values are also used in the
docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataEncryptAlg,
   and docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataAuthentAlg definitions.

   None of the encryption algorithm choices is a strong encryption
   algorithm.  Also, the encryption algorithm choice do not
   provide integrity, so they ought to be used with an integrity
   algorithm, but none are specified.  Can we get a strong
   encryption algorithm added to the list?  Can we get an strong
   integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
   of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

   COMMENT

   Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to
publication
   as an RFC.

   In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/


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FYI and possible follow up

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bellovin [mailto:smb@research.att.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 20:07
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Subject: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib


I concur in Russ' comments about the lack of any suitably strong crypto 
algorithms.  40-bit DES is, frankly, an embarrassment at this point.  
Yes, I realize that DOCSIS isn't doing it right yet; that's no reason 
for us to do it wrong.  We should put the code points into the MIB now, 
and let them catch up.  But I'll let Russ hold that part of the DISCUSS 
(as well as the note that authentication algorithms are needed.)

The Security Considerations section says

    The time to crack DES could be additionally
    mitigated by a compromised value for the TEK lifetime and Grace Time
    (up to a minimum of 30 minutes for the TEK lifetime, see
    Appendix A [1]).

That's only partially correct.  These keys are confidentiality keys; 
they're still valuable even after they're no longer in active use, 
because they can be used to decrypt old traffic.  (By contrast, old 
authentication keys are useless to an attacker.)

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All,=20

I wrote:

"I can't disclosure current spec work around DOCSIS protocols in IPCDN
who includes=20
persons probably not under CableLabs NDAs.=20

Perhaps a reference to section 7.7 of BPI+ specification ... "

I would like to withdraw this part of my response, it was out of line.
The valid question was asked by Russ (and Bert) as part of the open IETF
process and a response should be provided in full disclosure to all the
IETF participants.

Thanks

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Bert, I am not sure if this is just perception from the parser output:
Below is a similar public key pair that indicates the offsets line by
line=20
Ofsset 135 (zero  based) indicates the start of the public exponent (5
bytes)
Offset 140 indicates the offset of byte 141



Here is a 140 octets PKCS#1 public key pair

Off =20
  0      30 81 89
  3      02 81 81=20
  6               00 cf 32 d2 0b 31 d5 47 f9 73 98 8a 83 62 e1 fb
 22               dc e6 3b 0b 4b b8 d6 3b 35 31 5d dc 7a 72 89 fe
 38               e9 18 20 c7 83 7b 76 d7 75 36 91 72 f6 17 8f 5a
 54               59 68 28 87 0d 9b 25 88 52 7b cb a2 52 10 26 89
 70               69 4f 0d d1 d9 2d 71 aa 03 35 e2 81 5d b0 31 8b
 86               4c 3d e9 0a df b4 8c e4 99 7f d1 47 86 5b 9e 3d=20
102               07 c3 a8 58 f3 2f f2 d3 09 a6 e3 e5 4c 53 23 44=20
118               46 6c 6b 03 ae 90 76 38 60 de 23 02 f9 c0 3b e4=20
134               ed
135      02 03 01 00 01
140

Bytes size =3D 3 + 3 + 129 + 5 =3D 140

And the output from for the equivalent binary file=20
from openssl asn1parse command:

    0:d=3D0  hl=3D3 l=3D 137 cons: SEQUENCE
    3:d=3D1  hl=3D3 l=3D 129 prim: INTEGER          =20
                             :CF32D20B31D547F973988A8362E1FBDC
                              E63B0B4BB8D63B35315DDC7A7289FEE9
                              1820C7837B76D775369172F6178F5A59
                              6828870D9B2588527BCBA25210268969
                              4F0DD1D92D71AA0335E2815DB0318B4C
                              3DE90ADFB48CE4997FD147865B9E3D07
                              C3A858F32FF2D309A6E3E54C53234446
                              6C6B03AE90763860DE2302F9C03BE4ED
  135:d=3D1  hl=3D2 l=3D   3 prim: INTEGER           :010001



>
>   I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
>   chosen that accommodate all valid RSA public keys.

 DOCSIS uses a subset of moduli values that matches the sizes described
by the MIB object  After the explanations above, is this still an issue?


> Can we get an strong
>   integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
>   of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

I can't disclosure current spec work around DOCSIS protocols in IPCDN
who includes=20
persons probably not under CableLabs NDAs.=20

Perhaps a reference to section 7.7 of BPI+ specification (available at
http://www.cablelabs.com/specifications/archives/SP-BPI+_I10-030730.pdf
)
will that be sufice by indicate the Protocol extensibility for strong
algorithms=20
which are highly recommended.=20



7.7 Supporting Alternative Algorithms
The current BPI+ specification requires the use of 56-bit DES for
encrypting packet data, two-key triple DES for encrypting traffic
encryption keys, 1024-bit [RSA] for encrypting Authorization keys, and
1024-to-2048-bit [RSA] for signing BPI+ X.509 certificates. The choice
of key lengths and algorithms, while appropriate for current threat
models and hardware capabilities, may be inappropriate in the future.
For example, it is generally agreed that DES is approaching the end of
its practical usefulness as the industry standard for symmetric
encryption. NIST is currently overseeing the development and adoption of
a new standard encryption algorithm, commonly referred to as the
Advanced Encryption Standard, or AES. Given the nature of the security
services BPI+ is being asked to support (basic privacy at a level better
than or equal to that possible over dedicated wires, and conditional
access to RF data transport services) as well as the protocol's flexible
key management policy (i.e., setting of key lifetimes), DOCSIS-based
service providers will be justified in the continued reliance on DES
for, at least, the next five years. Nevertheless, at some future date,
DOCSIS Cable modems will need to adopt a stronger traffic encryption
algorithm, possibly AES. Adopting a new algorithm for packet data
encryption will not require a redesign of BPI+. The protocol's
consistent use of Type/Length/Value encoding of BPKM attributes, MAC
Header Extended Header elements, and security capabilities selection in
the authorization exchange guarantee BPI+'s extensibility. In fact,
changes in any of BPI+'s cryptographic algorithms, or associated key
lengths, will have no impact on the overall structure and operation of
the protocol.=20
-----Original Message-----
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>  COMMENT
>
>   Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to
publication
>   as an RFC.
>
>   In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/

OK

Thanks

Eduardo


I am forwarding IESG comments as I receive them.

Answers are fine. Pls do not yet submit a changed document untill we get
ALL the IESG comments. Should be around Tuesday next week.

Bert

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Subject: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-14


Management Information Base for DOCSIS Cable Modems and Cable Modem
Termination Systems for Baseline Privacy Plus (Proposed Standard)

DISCUSS

   The definition of docsBpi2CmPublicKey begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
   :
  The selection of these few octet string sizes is inappropriate.
   PKCS #1 encoding of an RSA public key is a SEQUENCE of two
   INTEGERs.  One example of an acceptable RSA public key that
   cannot be accommodated by this definition follows.  It is 139
   octets.

        0 30  137: SEQUENCE {
        3 02  129:   INTEGER
                 :     00 DD D8 49 85 DD 76 BE 9C 64 D2 6A 0C B3 3A 14
                 :     0B 37 A5 60 97 90 40 3D C0 C6 9C 01 FB D0 6F B6
                 :     49 56 E5 1A 44 F7 C7 1D 23 4C 91 A2 6F BE F7 9A
                 :     D0 5F F0 88 9A 01 A2 0A 20 78 22 45 1A 9D 77 8F
                 :     CA 14 3E 75 44 3C D6 67 16 21 E5 42 B5 EC BF 62
                 :     6C 09 0E 4D D9 79 D0 55 82 5C 9C FD B1 B9 B6 A6
                 :     5B 42 83 FA 90 1E 74 3F 5C 1C 1F D8 73 40 94 3C
                 :     9A 9F 2A 04 FE ED 8C 69 C3 0E 10 A6 3B 0B A7 A4
                 :     CD
      135 02    3:   INTEGER 65537
                 :   }

   I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
   chosen that accommodate all valid RSA public keys.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmPublicKey has the same problem.

   The definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg begins:
   :
   :  docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :       SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                              none(0),
   :                              des56CbcMode(1),
   :                              des40CbcMode(2)
   :                              }
   :
   And, the definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg begins:
   :
   : docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg   OBJECT-TYPE
   :      SYNTAX         INTEGER {
   :                             none(0)
   :                             }
   :
   These same values are also used in the
docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataEncryptAlg,
   docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataEncryptAlg,
   and docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataAuthentAlg definitions.

   None of the encryption algorithm choices is a strong encryption
   algorithm.  Also, the encryption algorithm choice do not
   provide integrity, so they ought to be used with an integrity
   algorithm, but none are specified.  Can we get a strong
   encryption algorithm added to the list?  Can we get an strong
   integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
   of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

   COMMENT

   Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to
publication
   as an RFC.

   In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/


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	Title		: Data Over Cable System Interface Specification
			  Quality of Service Management Information Base 
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	Author(s)	: M. Patrick, W. Murwin
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This document defines a basic set of managed objects for SNMP-based
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Russ, Steve and Bert,

  Thanks for your comments on draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-14.
  To summarize, you expressed 2 main comments, see below a proposed
resolution.


Ipcdn folks:
  Feel free to interject and comment.


--- 1. Syntax of docsBpi2CmPublicKey and range limitations:
   Per Eduardo and Rich's responses, the current object syntax of
docsBpi2CmPublicKey is justified by the fact that DOCSIS BPI+ specifies
a public modulus of 3 or 65537.=20
Eduardo wrote:
>  DOCSIS uses a subset of moduli values that matches the sizes
> described by the MIB object.

Rich added:
> In general I am sure this is true, but for DOCSIS BPI+, a
> specific public modulus is specified: 65537.
>=20
> Per
> <http://www.cablemodem.com/downloads/specs/BPI+_I11-040407.pdf
> >, section 4.2.2.4 and elsewhere: "PKCS #1 v2.0 states that
> the RSA public exponent may be standardized in specific
> applications, and the document suggests values of 3 or 65537=20
> (F4). Baseline Privacy Plus standardizes on F4 for a public=20
> exponent and employs a 1024-bit modulus (Baseline Privacy=20
> employed a 768-bit modulus)." Also see sections 7.5 and 7.6,=20
> for example.

Proposed resolution:
  Even with the above justification, we (Rich and I) do not have any
objection changing the syntax to not restrict the possible ranges in the
MIB module. To allow the use of PCKS 4096 bits moduli, we (Eduardo,
Oscar and I) would like to define the max limit to something like 524.
The proposal is:=20

   a) change the SYNTAX
replace
<  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
<       SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
with
>  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE 0..524)

   b) for existing 1.1 and 2.0 implementations, in the compliance
statement, an OBJECT clause to say that DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0 devices are
not required to support any key with a size greater than 270.

This proposal should suffice to address the comment: it adds flexibility
in the generic object definition, yet reflects the reality of the
underlying docsis 1.1 and 2.0 implementations and allow us to add a new
compliance statement later for newer implementations without changing
the mib definition. If this is not sufficient, let us know.


--- 2. Lack of strong encryption & authentication mechanism in DOCSIS
BPI+
   The second comment raised by you both (Russ and Steve) is the lack of
strong encryption & authentication mechanism in DOCSIS BPI+ and
subsequently in the IPCDN DOCSIS BPI+ MIB module.
   While the current DOCSIS specifications do not support any additional
algorithms (and therefore, the underlying protocols supported by this
MIB may not allow additional algorithm to be negotiated and used), we
believe it is ok to add a couple of stronger encryption/auth algorithms
for future use. Vendors may opt to support these additional algorithms
and future DOCSIS specs may consider these for inclusion - TBD. In any
case, today's implementations should reject any values outside the range
allowed in docsis per standard error handling procedures so we don't see
a pb with adding some better algo there.

   Based on some input from Oscar Marcia, our chief security architect
at CableLabs, Eric Rosenfeld, and Eduardo Cardona, we would like to
propose that we add the following algorithms as optional to support:

 Symmetric encryption:=20
 AES (AES128CbcMode, AES256CbcMode), 3DES, DES
 ^^^ new addition, optional to support

 Public-key algorithms:=20
 RSA (768, 1024, 2048, 3072 -bit key)

 Data integrity algorithms:=20
 SHA-1, SHA-256, MD5
 ^ new addition, optional to support=20
 On the data integrity, as Eric and Oscar pointed out, please note that
the MAC level protocol DOCSIS only support encryption today.
Authentication is used on the key management messages and all DOCSIS
Dynamic Service Flow DSA, DSC, and DSD exchanges, but the actual data
transport security only uses encryption. So proposing authentication
algorithms is a clear stretch based on the current protocol and
implementations. That said, we would be ok with adding a couple for
potential future use.


  We would also like to add some text in the compliance statement of the
MIB to specify what algs are mandatory to support for DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0
to eliminate any potential confusions.
=20

Are these proposals to resolve your comments ok with you?=20
Do you see any other possible algorithms we should consider for
inclusion? Any one we should remove?=20
Once we have your blessing on the above, Eduardo or I will propose the
exact text modifications for the Internet-Draft (we probably need to add
some text in the description clauses, compliance statement, the security
consideration section, references, etc.)


Let us know if this message addresses those IESG comments. Special
thanks all the folks in cc: for their input on this thread. Any
additional comments, please include the ipcdn list.

Thanks,
Jean-Francois=20
IPCDN co-chair

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Jean-Francois:

>--- 1. Syntax of docsBpi2CmPublicKey and range limitations:
>    Per Eduardo and Rich's responses, the current object syntax of
>docsBpi2CmPublicKey is justified by the fact that DOCSIS BPI+ specifies
>a public modulus of 3 or 65537.
>Eduardo wrote:
> >  DOCSIS uses a subset of moduli values that matches the sizes
> > described by the MIB object.
>
>Rich added:
> > In general I am sure this is true, but for DOCSIS BPI+, a
> > specific public modulus is specified: 65537.
> >
> > Per
> > <http://www.cablemodem.com/downloads/specs/BPI+_I11-040407.pdf> >, 
> section 4.2.2.4 and elsewhere: "PKCS #1 v2.0 states that
> > the RSA public exponent may be standardized in specific
> > applications, and the document suggests values of 3 or 65537
> > (F4). Baseline Privacy Plus standardizes on F4 for a public
> > exponent and employs a 1024-bit modulus (Baseline Privacy
> > employed a 768-bit modulus)." Also see sections 7.5 and 7.6,
> > for example.
>
>Proposed resolution:
>   Even with the above justification, we (Rich and I) do not have any
>objection changing the syntax to not restrict the possible ranges in the
>MIB module. To allow the use of PCKS 4096 bits moduli, we (Eduardo,
>Oscar and I) would like to define the max limit to something like 524.
>The proposal is:
>
>    a) change the SYNTAX
>replace
><  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
><       SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
>with
> >  docsBpi2CmPublicKey     OBJECT-TYPE
> >      SYNTAX             OCTET STRING (SIZE 0..524)
>
>    b) for existing 1.1 and 2.0 implementations, in the compliance
>statement, an OBJECT clause to say that DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0 devices are
>not required to support any key with a size greater than 270.
>
>This proposal should suffice to address the comment: it adds flexibility
>in the generic object definition, yet reflects the reality of the
>underlying docsis 1.1 and 2.0 implementations and allow us to add a new
>compliance statement later for newer implementations without changing
>the mib definition. If this is not sufficient, let us know.

This is fine with me.

>--- 2. Lack of strong encryption & authentication mechanism in DOCSIS
>BPI+
>    The second comment raised by you both (Russ and Steve) is the lack of
>strong encryption & authentication mechanism in DOCSIS BPI+ and
>subsequently in the IPCDN DOCSIS BPI+ MIB module.
>    While the current DOCSIS specifications do not support any additional
>algorithms (and therefore, the underlying protocols supported by this
>MIB may not allow additional algorithm to be negotiated and used), we
>believe it is ok to add a couple of stronger encryption/auth algorithms
>for future use. Vendors may opt to support these additional algorithms
>and future DOCSIS specs may consider these for inclusion - TBD. In any
>case, today's implementations should reject any values outside the range
>allowed in docsis per standard error handling procedures so we don't see
>a pb with adding some better algo there.
>
>    Based on some input from Oscar Marcia, our chief security architect
>at CableLabs, Eric Rosenfeld, and Eduardo Cardona, we would like to
>propose that we add the following algorithms as optional to support:
>
>  Symmetric encryption:
>  AES (AES128CbcMode, AES256CbcMode), 3DES, DES
>  ^^^ new addition, optional to support

You need to specify a mode for 3DES too.  It will probably be CBC like the 
rest of the algorithms you support.

>  Public-key algorithms:
>  RSA (768, 1024, 2048, 3072 -bit key)

Okay.

>  Data integrity algorithms:
>  SHA-1, SHA-256, MD5
>  ^ new addition, optional to support

I expected HMAC-SHA-1.  This can be truncated as is done in IPsec.  Look at 
the HMAC-SHA1-96 definition for an example.

MD5 is certainly not a good thing to add at this point.

>  On the data integrity, as Eric and Oscar pointed out, please note that
>the MAC level protocol DOCSIS only support encryption today.
>Authentication is used on the key management messages and all DOCSIS
>Dynamic Service Flow DSA, DSC, and DSD exchanges, but the actual data
>transport security only uses encryption. So proposing authentication
>algorithms is a clear stretch based on the current protocol and
>implementations. That said, we would be ok with adding a couple for
>potential future use.
>
>
>   We would also like to add some text in the compliance statement of the
>MIB to specify what algs are mandatory to support for DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0
>to eliminate any potential confusions.

Okay.

Russ 


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As expected... here is the question from IANA.
So we have that on our plate to be fixed already.
Just wanted to let you know the feedback we're getting

Bert

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle S. Cotton [mailto:cotton@icann.org]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 08:22
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Subject: Question on draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-14.txt


Bert,

For draft-ietf-ipcdn-bpiplus-mib-14.txt, it mentions
an assignment to made under the docsIfMib subtree.
Is this a new subtree?  Where does this go?

Thanks in advance.

Michelle

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IESG raised this one:

   Allison Mankin:
   Discuss:
   [2004-09-26] The document states:
     Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
     MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
   But there is no section 3.2.6 here.  MUST must be clear.

Ooopss. I should have seen that.
Not even sure we can just replace that with a single ptr to one other
(sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good to have a response ASAP.

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Bert,

I am pretty sure that this reference is supposed to be to the section
entitled "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack". For version -15,
"Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" is section 3.4.

The original text in the drafts, prior to updates in version -15, is:

   The filtering mechanism defined here can be defeated through the
   "tiny fragment" and "overlapping fragment" attacks if the
   recommendations in section 2.2.6 are omitted. See [RFC1858] and
   [RFC3128] for discussion of these attacks.

Version -06 of the draft points to the section entitled "Filtering and the
Tiny Fragment Attack",
<http://www.ipcdn.org/drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-06.txt>. In
versions -07 to -14, this text points to section 2.2.6, but that section no
longer exists. In version -15, the revised text points to section 3.2.6, but
that section also does not exist.

Note that the wording in the original text, "See [RFC1858] and [RFC3128] for
discussion of these attacks", is a direct reference to the contents of the
"Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" section.

Wilson, can you confirm?

-- Rich

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IESG raised this one:

   Allison Mankin:
   Discuss:
   [2004-09-26] The document states:
     Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
     MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
   But there is no section 3.2.6 here.  MUST must be clear.

Ooopss. I should have seen that.
Not even sure we can just replace that with a single ptr to one other
(sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good to have a response ASAP.

Bert

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oops. yes, thanks - the sections were renumbered and I thought I'd checked this, but obviously not. It should be 3.4, as Rich notes.
- Wilson

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Bert, 
> 
> I am pretty sure that this reference is supposed to be to the section 
> entitled "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack". For version -15, 
> "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" is section 3.4. 
> 
> The original text in the drafts, prior to updates in version -15, is: 
> 
> The filtering mechanism defined here can be defeated through the 
> "tiny fragment" and "overlapping fragment" attacks if the 
> recommendations in section 2.2.6 are omitted. See [RFC1858] and 
> [RFC3128] for discussion of these attacks. 
> 
> Version -06 of the draft points to the section entitled "Filtering and the 
> Tiny Fragment Attack", 
> . In 
> versions -07 to -14, this text points to section 2.2.6, but that section no 
> longer exists. In version -15, the revised text points to section 3.2.6, but 
> that section also does not exist. 
> 
> Note that the wording in the original text, "See [RFC1858] and [RFC3128] for 
> discussion of these attacks", is a direct reference to the contents of the 
> "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" section. 
> 
> Wilson, can you confirm? 
> 
> -- Rich 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
> Wijnen, Bert (Bert) 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:26 AM 
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail) 
> Subject: [ipcdn] subscriber mib issue 
> 
> 
> IESG raised this one: 
> 
> Allison Mankin: 
> Discuss: 
> [2004-09-26] The document states: 
> Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors 
> MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6. 
> But there is no section 3.2.6 here. MUST must be clear. 
> 
> Ooopss. I should have seen that. 
> Not even sure we can just replace that with a single ptr to one other 
> (sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good to have a response ASAP. 
> 
> Bert 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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<P>oops. yes, thanks - the sections were renumbered and I thought I'd checked this, but obviously not. It should be 3.4, as Rich notes.</P>
<P>- Wilson<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; Bert, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I am pretty sure that this reference is supposed to be to the section <BR>&gt; entitled "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack". For version -15, <BR>&gt; "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" is section 3.4. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The original text in the drafts, prior to updates in version -15, is: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The filtering mechanism defined here can be defeated through the <BR>&gt; "tiny fragment" and "overlapping fragment" attacks if the <BR>&gt; recommendations in section 2.2.6 are omitted. See [RFC1858] and <BR>&gt; [RFC3128] for discussion of these attacks. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Version -06 of the draft points to the section entitled "Filtering and the <BR>&gt; Tiny Fragment Attack", <BR>&gt; <HTTP: draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-06.txt drafts www.ipcdn.org>. In <BR>&gt; versions -07 to -14, this !
 text points to section 2.2.6, but that section no <BR>&gt; longer exists. In version -15, the revised text points to section 3.2.6, but <BR>&gt; that section also does not exist. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Note that the wording in the original text, "See [RFC1858] and [RFC3128] for <BR>&gt; discussion of these attacks", is a direct reference to the contents of the <BR>&gt; "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" section. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Wilson, can you confirm? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- Rich <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of <BR>&gt; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) <BR>&gt; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:26 AM <BR>&gt; To: Ipcdn (E-mail) <BR>&gt; Subject: [ipcdn] subscriber mib issue <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; IESG raised this one: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Allison Mankin: <BR>&gt; Discuss: <BR>&gt; [2004-09-26] The document states: <BR>&gt; Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implemento!
 rs <BR>&gt; MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6. <BR>&gt;
 But there is no section 3.2.6 here. MUST must be clear. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Ooopss. I should have seen that. <BR>&gt; Not even sure we can just replace that with a single ptr to one other <BR>&gt; (sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good to have a response ASAP. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Bert <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; _______________________________________________ <BR>&gt; IPCDN mailing list <BR>&gt; IPCDN@ietf.org <BR>&gt; https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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OK thanks. More later today.
 

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oops. yes, thanks - the sections were renumbered and I thought I'd checked this, but obviously not. It should be 3.4, as Rich notes.

- Wilson


-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Bert, 
> 
> I am pretty sure that this reference is supposed to be to the section 
> entitled "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack". For version -15, 
> "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" is section 3.4. 
> 
> The original text in the drafts, prior to updates in version -15, is: 
> 
> The filtering mechanism defined here can be defeated through the 
> "tiny fragment" and "overlapping fragment" attacks if the 
> recommendations in section 2.2.6 are omitted. See [RFC1858] and 
> [RFC3128] for discussion of these attacks. 
> 
> Version -06 of the draft points to the section entitled "Filtering and the 
> Tiny Fragment Attack", 
> . In 
> versions -07 to -14, this ! text points to section 2.2.6, but that section no 
> longer exists. In version -15, the revised text points to section 3.2.6, but 
> that section also does not exist. 
> 
> Note that the wording in the original text, "See [RFC1858] and [RFC3128] for 
> discussion of these attacks", is a direct reference to the contents of the 
> "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" section. 
> 
> Wilson, can you confirm? 
> 
> -- Rich 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
> Wijnen, Bert (Bert) 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:26 AM 
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail) 
> Subject: [ipcdn] subscriber mib issue 
> 
> 
> IESG raised this one: 
> 
> Allison Mankin: 
> Discuss: 
> [2004-09-26] The document states: 
> Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implemento! rs 
> MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6. 
> But there is no section 3.2.6 here. MUST must be clear. 
> 
> Ooopss. I should have seen that. 
> Not even sure we can just replace that with a single ptr to one other 
> (sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good to have a response ASAP. 
> 
> Bert 
> 
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> sawyerwd@comcast.net 
  [mailto:sawyerwd@comcast.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 27, 2004 
  19:24<BR><B>To:</B> Woundy, Richard; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Ipcdn 
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  <P>oops. yes, thanks - the sections were renumbered and I thought I'd checked 
  this, but obviously not. It should be 3.4, as Rich notes.</P>
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    Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; Bert, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I am 
    pretty sure that this reference is supposed to be to the section <BR>&gt; 
    entitled "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack". For version -15, <BR>&gt; 
    "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" is section 3.4. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    The original text in the drafts, prior to updates in version -15, is: 
    <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The filtering mechanism defined here can be defeated 
    through the <BR>&gt; "tiny fragment" and "overlapping fragment" attacks if 
    the <BR>&gt; recommendations in section 2.2.6 are omitted. See [RFC1858] and 
    <BR>&gt; [RFC3128] for discussion of these attacks. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    Version -06 of the draft points to the section entitled "Filtering and the 
    <BR>&gt; Tiny Fragment Attack", <BR>&gt; <HTTP: www.ipcdn.org drafts 
    draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-06.txt>. In <BR>&gt; versions -07 to -14, 
    this ! text points to section 2.2.6, but that section no <BR>&gt; longer 
    exists. In version -15, the revised text points to section 3.2.6, but 
    <BR>&gt; that section also does not exist. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Note that the 
    wording in the original text, "See [RFC1858] and [RFC3128] for <BR>&gt; 
    discussion of these attacks", is a direct reference to the contents of the 
    <BR>&gt; "Filtering and the Tiny Fragment Attack" section. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    Wilson, can you confirm? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- Rich <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org 
    [mailto:ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of <BR>&gt; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) 
    <BR>&gt; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:26 AM <BR>&gt; To: Ipcdn 
    (E-mail) <BR>&gt; Subject: [ipcdn] subscriber mib issue <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    <BR>&gt; IESG raised this one: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Allison Mankin: <BR>&gt; 
    Discuss: <BR>&gt; [2004-09-26] The document states: <BR>&gt; Effective 
    network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implemento! rs <BR>&gt; MUST 
    follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6. <BR>&gt; But there is no 
    section 3.2.6 here. MUST must be clear. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Ooopss. I should 
    have seen that. <BR>&gt; Not even sure we can just replace that with a 
    single ptr to one other <BR>&gt; (sub)section, can we. ANyway, would be good 
    to have a response ASAP. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Bert <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
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So below is the complete set of IESG review comments.

I think my reaction is as follows:

1. W.r.t. to referencing draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt
   I wonder what the current status is of that document?
   It experied a while ago... and I am not seeing activity.
   So maybe we should just list RFC2669 and not talk about
   the draft?

2. Based on the above, I also wonder about 
   draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt
   Where are we with that one?

3. The comment from Ted Hardie is the same as some discussion we 
   had from Steve Bellovin, and I believe the answer is that 
   current MODULE COMPLIANCE only requires IPv4 but the 
   MIB module itself is all ready to also support IPv6.
   So no change needed.

4. The comments from Russ and Allison's DISCUSS seem valid to me.

So to address all of the above, I could add the
following RFC-Editor notes:

RFC-Editor, pls fix the following 

- on page 4, pls ignore and remove:

       -- ***********************************************************
       -- * Note to RFC Editor (to be removed)
       -- * If DOCSIS Cable Device MIB [RFC2669] is updated prior to
       -- * this publication, replace "docsDevCpeIp" with
       -- * "docsDevCpeInetAddr"
       -- ***********************************************************

- mmm also comes back on page 10 and page 14

- In section 9, 2nd para, pls change text

  OLD:
    Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
   
  NEW:
    For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.4.

- on page 23, pls ignore and remove:
       ************************************************************
       * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
       *                                                          *
       *     The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
       * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.   *
       * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
       * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
       * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to       *
       * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
       * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
       *                                                          *
       ************************************************************

- ANd possibly a similar statement about
   draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt

Mmm... that is I think more than we want to do in an RFC-Ed note.
Wilson, how quick can you do a revision?

Bert

------------- IESG comments/discusses 

Discusses and Comments 
Harald Alvestrand:
Comment:
[2004-09-27] Reviewed by John Loughney, Gen-ART

His review:

Document seems ready, a couple of small nits:

1) Shouldn't the Security Considerations come before the references?
2) For the references, there is text that says the following:

        ************************************************************
        * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
        *                                                          *
        *    The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
        * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.  *
        * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
        * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
        * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to      *
        * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
        * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
        *                                                          *
        ************************************************************

Shouldn't the I-D just be referenced? Some of these references
seem that they should reference the I-D, not the RFC.

Ted Hardie:
Comment:
[2004-09-24] I have to say that I think the v4-only nature of this doc is pretty questionable; I understand
that the document is relative to DOCSIS deployments which don't deploy v6, but this
is starting them down a design road that is going to require more than a little backtracking.
The whole mechanism presumes that use of multiple address is a wrong/restricted
activity; this isn't the right focus for v6.  Rather than working out some management 
framework than can handle both, they could end up with such separate things that
the user experience is affected by the overlapping attempts at control (or the
attempts to control are frustrated trivially).

I'm not DISCUSSing this document, since it is clear on its scope, but I strongly encourage
them to create a joint v4/v6 management scope as a successor to this, rather than
a v6 auxillary to this.

Russ Housley:
Comment:
[2004-09-22] 
  The 2nd paragraph of Section 9 says:
  :
  : Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
  : MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
  :
  I suggest replacement text:
  
    For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.

Allison Mankin:
Discuss:
[2004-09-26] The document states:
  Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
  MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
But there is no section 3.2.6 here.  MUST must be clear.

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So below is the complete set of IESG review comments.

I think my reaction is as follows:

1. W.r.t. to referencing draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt
   I wonder what the current status is of that document?
   It experied a while ago... and I am not seeing activity.
   So maybe we should just list RFC2669 and not talk about
   the draft?

2. Based on the above, I also wonder about 
   draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt
   Where are we with that one?

3. The comment from Ted Hardie is the same as some discussion we 
   had from Steve Bellovin, and I believe the answer is that 
   current MODULE COMPLIANCE only requires IPv4 but the 
   MIB module itself is all ready to also support IPv6.
   So no change needed.

4. The comments from Russ and Allison's DISCUSS seem valid to me.

So to address all of the above, I could add the
following RFC-Editor notes:

RFC-Editor, pls fix the following 

- on page 4, pls ignore and remove:

       -- ***********************************************************
       -- * Note to RFC Editor (to be removed)
       -- * If DOCSIS Cable Device MIB [RFC2669] is updated prior to
       -- * this publication, replace "docsDevCpeIp" with
       -- * "docsDevCpeInetAddr"
       -- ***********************************************************

- mmm also comes back on page 10 and page 14

- In section 9, 2nd para, pls change text

  OLD:
    Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
   
  NEW:
    For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.4.

- on page 23, pls ignore and remove:
       ************************************************************
       * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
       *                                                          *
       *     The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
       * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.   *
       * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
       * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
       * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to       *
       * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
       * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
       *                                                          *
       ************************************************************

- ANd possibly a similar statement about
   draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt

Mmm... that is I think more than we want to do in an RFC-Ed note.
Wilson, how quick can you do a revision?

Bert

------------- IESG comments/discusses 

Discusses and Comments 
Harald Alvestrand:
Comment:
[2004-09-27] Reviewed by John Loughney, Gen-ART

His review:

Document seems ready, a couple of small nits:

1) Shouldn't the Security Considerations come before the references?
2) For the references, there is text that says the following:

        ************************************************************
        * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
        *                                                          *
        *    The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
        * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.  *
        * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
        * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
        * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to      *
        * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
        * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
        *                                                          *
        ************************************************************

Shouldn't the I-D just be referenced? Some of these references
seem that they should reference the I-D, not the RFC.

Ted Hardie:
Comment:
[2004-09-24] I have to say that I think the v4-only nature of this doc is pretty questionable; I understand
that the document is relative to DOCSIS deployments which don't deploy v6, but this
is starting them down a design road that is going to require more than a little backtracking.
The whole mechanism presumes that use of multiple address is a wrong/restricted
activity; this isn't the right focus for v6.  Rather than working out some management 
framework than can handle both, they could end up with such separate things that
the user experience is affected by the overlapping attempts at control (or the
attempts to control are frustrated trivially).

I'm not DISCUSSing this document, since it is clear on its scope, but I strongly encourage
them to create a joint v4/v6 management scope as a successor to this, rather than
a v6 auxillary to this.

Russ Housley:
Comment:
[2004-09-22] 
  The 2nd paragraph of Section 9 says:
  :
  : Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
  : MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
  :
  I suggest replacement text:
  
    For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
    MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.

Allison Mankin:
Discuss:
[2004-09-26] The document states:
  Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that implementors
  MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
But there is no section 3.2.6 here.  MUST must be clear.

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OK, below is the complete set of IESG comments.

I know that discussion on the security issues is already underway.
Pls make sure to address both Steve Bellovin's and Russ' Housleys
DISCUSS comments.

Pls also take a look at the other comments.

And you may want to check statements like:

           ************************************************************
           * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
           *                                                          *
           *     The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-11.txt> (or a *
           * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2670.   *
           * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
           * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
           * normative reference [RFC2670] should be updated to       *
           * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
           * [RFC2670] should be updated to match.                    *
           *                                                          *
           ************************************************************

cause I am not sure that that document is making real progress is it?

The IANA of course was concerned about the IANA considerations and
the assignment under ::= { docsIfMib yy }
I believe we agreed that this one can go underneath mib-2, right?

ANother nit I noticed:

       docsBpi2MIB    MODULE-IDENTITY
            LAST-UPDATED "200409071700Z" -- September 7th, 2004
            ORGANIZATION "IETF IP over Cable Data Network (IPCDN)
    >                     Working Group"
            CONTACT-INFO "---------------------------------------

you may want to remove that ">" sign at the beginning of line:
    >                     Working Group"

Bert
------------ IESG comments and dsicusses

Steve Bellovin:
Discuss:
[2004-09-24] The Security Considerations section says

    The time to crack DES could be additionally
    mitigated by a compromised value for the TEK lifetime and Grace Time
    (up to a minimum of 30 minutes for the TEK lifetime, see
    Appendix A [1]).

That's only partially correct.  These keys are confidentiality keys; they're still valuable even after they're no longer in active use, because they can be used to decrypt old traffic.  (By contrast, old authentication keys are useless to an attacker.)

Comment:
[2004-09-24] I concur in Russ' comments about the lack of any suitably strong crypto algorithms.  40-bit DES is, frankly, an embarrassment at this point.  Yes, I realize that DOCSIS isn't doing it right yet; that's no reason for us to do it wrong.  We should put the code points into the MIB now, and let them catch up.  But I'll let Russ hold that part of the DISCUSS (as well as the note that authentication algorithms are needed.)

Russ Housley:
Discuss:
[2004-09-23] 
The definition of docsBpi2CmPublicKey begins:
  :
  :  docsBpi2CmPublicKey    OBJECT-TYPE
  :      SYNTAX            OCTET STRING (SIZE (74|106|140|204|270))
  :
  The selection of these few octet string sizes is inappropriate.
  PKCS #1 encoding of an RSA public key is a SEQUENCE of two
  INTEGERs.  One example of an acceptable RSA public key that
  cannot be accommodated by this definition follows.  It is 139
  octets.

    0 30  135: SEQUENCE {
    3 02  129:  INTEGER
              :    00 B0 B3 67 A7 96 B5 76 83 E9 16 03 D9 1A A0 76
              :    D5 74 E7 9C 05 D2 51 3F DB 4F 19 A1 A8 39 4E CB
              :    24 7D 61 C4 1E 6A 20 AE 0F 81 DE EA B8 39 FD 1B
              :    1F 6B 36 40 ED 4D 21 25 F2 A3 D9 A1 51 D8 6C C0
              :    1B 96 F8 D4 42 94 D4 A7 CE 1B 8F D3 54 26 A2 84
              :    EF 32 85 AF 4A 3F F1 32 36 AF 3D E6 3A 27 EB 03
              :    C2 25 7E F4 61 2B AD 8A 1A 4B E6 9B 36 68 D4 2F
              :    E5 D2 88 94 DC 16 AA DA C2 15 4C 6C C3 E1 19 91
              :    C9
  135 02    1:  INTEGER 3
              :  }

  I do not believe that a five (or even ten) specific sizes can be
  chosen that accomodate all valid RSA public keys.

  The definition of docsBpi2CmtsAuthCmPublicKey has the same problem.
  
  The definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg begins:
  :
  :  docsBpi2CmTEKDataEncryptAlg  OBJECT-TYPE
  :      SYNTAX        INTEGER {
  :                              none(0),
  :                              des56CbcMode(1),
  :                              des40CbcMode(2)
  :                              }
  :
  And, the definition of docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg begins:
  :
  : docsBpi2CmTEKDataAuthentAlg  OBJECT-TYPE
  :      SYNTAX        INTEGER {
  :                            none(0)
  :                            }
  :
  These same values are also used in the docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataEncryptAlg,
  docsBpi2CmCryptoSuiteDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataEncryptAlg, 
  docsBpi2CmtsTEKDataAuthentAlg, docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataEncryptAlg,
  and docsBpi2CmtsIpMulticastDataAuthentAlg definitions.
  
  None of the encryption algorithm choices is a strong encryption
  algorithm.  Also, the encryption algorithm choice do not
  provide integrity, so they ought to be used with an integrity
  algorithm, but none are specified.  Can we get a strong
  encryption algorithm added to the list?  Can we get an strong
  integrity algorithm specified?  If not, the last few paragraphs of
  of the Security Considerations need to be made much more forceful.

Comment:
[2004-09-22] 
  Please delete the second paragraph of the Abstract prior to publication
  as an RFC.

  In the Abstract: s/DOCSIS1.1/DOCSIS 1.1/

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[sending the same text I sent to Wilson, Rich and Bert to IPCDN]

  I have some questions/concerns before deciding on the reference part.

> > 1. W.r.t. to referencing draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt
> >    I wonder what the current status is of that document?
> >    It experied a while ago... and I am not seeing activity.
> >    So maybe we should just list RFC2669 and not talk about
> >    the draft?
> >

  I made some comments to Wilson in draft 15 about some tables that were =
being deprecated or superseded by others in the cable device mib v2. For =
e.g., section 3.2.1 in draft 15 now says:
----------------------------------
3.2.1. Interaction with DOCSIS provisioning for CPE address control

   Rows in docsSubMgtCpeControlTable are created by the CMTS for each
   modem as a result of the DOCSIS registration process. The DOCSIS
   registration attributes may include items semantically equivalent to
   those in the docsDevCpe section of the DOCSIS Cable Device MIB
   [RFC2669]:

   o    docsDevCpeEnroll
   o    docsDevCpeIpMax
   o    docsDevCpeIp

       -- ***********************************************************
       -- * Note to RFC Editor (to be removed)
       -- * If DOCSIS Cable Device MIB [RFC2669] is updated prior to
       -- * this publication, replace "docsDevCpeIp" with
       -- * "docsDevCpeInetAddr"
       -- ***********************************************************
----------------------------------
=3D> While I have no objection referencing RFC 2669 instead of the cable =
device v2 MIB, I am concerned that some of the core tables used in the =
subs mgmt mib are going away in RFC2669bis: for e.g. docsDevCpeTable.

  So the content of my comment to Wilson can be summarized as follows:
     + if the subs mgmt MIB module is supposed to co-exist with both =
RFC2669 and its successor, may be we want to be explicit here and =
provide guidance on what tables to use in each case.
     + if the subs mgmt MIB module is supposed to co-exist only with =
RFC2669, I'm ok with removing the above text but I have some concerns =
that within ipcdn, we are not consistent.
     + if the subs mgmt MIB module is supposed to co-exist with =
RFC2669bis - the successor of RFC2669, may be we want to be explicit =
here and provide guidance on what tables to use in case the old RFC is =
implemented as well.

 Finally, I do not understand why the subs mgmt MIB could not move to =
RFC editor status now and await the 2 dependent IDs to be updated and =
advance. It seems that the proposed alternatives do not take into =
consideration some of the updates in RFC2669bis and I have a pb with =
that.

  Comments?

Jean-Fran=E7ois=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject: [ipcdn] FW: IESG review of:=20
> draft-ietf-ipcdn-subscriber-mib-15.txt
>=20
>=20
> Sorry, forgot to set proper subject line
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)=20
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 23:14
> To: 'wsawyer@ieee.org'; Ipcdn (E-mail)
> Subject: IESG review of:=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> So below is the complete set of IESG review comments.
>=20
> I think my reaction is as follows:
>=20
> 1. W.r.t. to referencing draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt
>    I wonder what the current status is of that document?
>    It experied a while ago... and I am not seeing activity.
>    So maybe we should just list RFC2669 and not talk about
>    the draft?
>=20
> 2. Based on the above, I also wonder about=20
>    draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt
>    Where are we with that one?
>=20
> 3. The comment from Ted Hardie is the same as some discussion we=20
>    had from Steve Bellovin, and I believe the answer is that=20
>    current MODULE COMPLIANCE only requires IPv4 but the=20
>    MIB module itself is all ready to also support IPv6.
>    So no change needed.
>=20
> 4. The comments from Russ and Allison's DISCUSS seem valid to me.
>=20
> So to address all of the above, I could add the
> following RFC-Editor notes:
>=20
> RFC-Editor, pls fix the following=20
>=20
> - on page 4, pls ignore and remove:
>=20
>        -- ***********************************************************
>        -- * Note to RFC Editor (to be removed)
>        -- * If DOCSIS Cable Device MIB [RFC2669] is updated prior to
>        -- * this publication, replace "docsDevCpeIp" with
>        -- * "docsDevCpeInetAddr"
>        -- ***********************************************************
>=20
> - mmm also comes back on page 10 and page 14
>=20
> - In section 9, 2nd para, pls change text
>=20
>   OLD:
>     Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that=20
> implementors
>     MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
>   =20
>   NEW:
>     For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
>     MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.4.
>=20
> - on page 23, pls ignore and remove:
>        ************************************************************
>        * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
>        *                                                          *
>        *     The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
>        * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.   *
>        * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
>        * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
>        * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to       *
>        * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
>        * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
>        *                                                          *
>        ************************************************************
>=20
> - ANd possibly a similar statement about
>    draft-ietf-ipcdn-docs-rfmibv2-06.txt
>=20
> Mmm... that is I think more than we want to do in an RFC-Ed=20
> note. Wilson, how quick can you do a revision?
>=20
> Bert
>=20
> ------------- IESG comments/discusses=20
>=20
> Discusses and Comments=20
> Harald Alvestrand:
> Comment:
> [2004-09-27] Reviewed by John Loughney, Gen-ART
>=20
> His review:
>=20
> Document seems ready, a couple of small nits:
>=20
> 1) Shouldn't the Security Considerations come before the references?
> 2) For the references, there is text that says the following:
>=20
>         ************************************************************
>         * NOTES TO RFC Editor (to be removed prior to publication) *
>         *                                                          *
>         *    The I-D <draft-ietf-ipcdn-device-mibv2-06.txt> (or a *
>         * successor) is expected to eventually replace RFC 2669.  *
>         * If that draft (or a successor) is published as an RFC    *
>         * prior to or concurrently with this document, then the    *
>         * normative reference [RFC2669] should be updated to      *
>         * point to the replacement RFC, and the reference tag      *
>         * [RFC2669] should be updated to match.                    *
>         *                                                          *
>         ************************************************************
>=20
> Shouldn't the I-D just be referenced? Some of these=20
> references seem that they should reference the I-D, not the RFC.
>=20
> Ted Hardie:
> Comment:
> [2004-09-24] I have to say that I think the v4-only nature of=20
> this doc is pretty questionable; I understand that the=20
> document is relative to DOCSIS deployments which don't deploy=20
> v6, but this is starting them down a design road that is=20
> going to require more than a little backtracking. The whole=20
> mechanism presumes that use of multiple address is a=20
> wrong/restricted activity; this isn't the right focus for v6.=20
>  Rather than working out some management=20
> framework than can handle both, they could end up with such=20
> separate things that the user experience is affected by the=20
> overlapping attempts at control (or the attempts to control=20
> are frustrated trivially).
>=20
> I'm not DISCUSSing this document, since it is clear on its=20
> scope, but I strongly encourage them to create a joint v4/v6=20
> management scope as a successor to this, rather than a v6=20
> auxillary to this.
>=20
> Russ Housley:
> Comment:
> [2004-09-22]=20
>   The 2nd paragraph of Section 9 says:
>   :
>   : Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that=20
> implementors
>   : MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
>   :
>   I suggest replacement text:
>  =20
>     For network filtering of TCP traffic to be effective, implementors
>     MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
>=20
> Allison Mankin:
> Discuss:
> [2004-09-26] The document states:
>   Effective network filtering of TCP traffic requires that=20
> implementors
>   MUST follow the recommendations in section 3.2.6.
> But there is no section 3.2.6 here.  MUST must be clear.
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Satish,
 
Thanks for raising this issue. The intent of the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and pktcSigDevToneSteady was to support telco industry standards. If a tone definition using repeat count objects results in a tone sequence that is shorter than the TO time, the repeat count takes significance. I checked the NCS spec on this issue and I don't see a clear indication of expected behaviour when a tone duration is shorter than an associated TO.
 
Do you have text you would like to propose as a solution for the description of these objects?
 
Comments?
 
Gordon
 
>The MIbs specify the case where longer duration is set. However they do not specifically say what to do in the case >where setting the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount results in a tone duration which is shorter than the tone >duration which is specified through the timeout (TO)???    
 
>What is the expected duration behavior in this case?? Does the MTA has to observe the specified number of repeat counts?? or does it stick to the value in timeout(TO) MIB?  Please throw some light on expected behavior.
 
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount      OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times 
            to repeat the entire on-off sequence. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone." 
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 }  
    


   pktcSigDevToneSteady    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       TruthValue  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the steady tone. Device must play out the on-off 
            sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and 
            then apply the last tone forever. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone."  
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 }  

 
 

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Subject: [ipcdn] RE: IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -> Issue for
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Motorola's suggested text for the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and pktcSigDevToneSteady objects to address this issue.
 
Gordon
 
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount      OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times 
            to repeat the entire on-off sequence. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer or shorter than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone.  In this case, the tone duration repeat count will not be fully exercised and the desired tone duration will be truncated per the TO setting.  If the repeat count results in a shorter tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration defined by the repeat count takes precedence over the TO and will end the signal event. In this case, the TO represents a time not to be exceeded for the signal.   It is recommended to ensure proper telephony signalling that the TO duration setting should always be longer than the desired repeat count time duration." 
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 } 
 
pktcSigDevToneSteady    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       TruthValue  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the steady tone. Device must play out the on-off 
            sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and 
            then apply the last tone forever. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer or shorter than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone. In this case, the tone duration repeat count will not be fully exercised and the desired tone duration will be truncated per the TO setting. If the repeat count results in a shorter tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration defined by the repeat count takes precedence over the TO and will end the signal event. In this case, the TO represents a time not to be exceeded for the signal. It is recommended to ensure proper telephony signalling that the TO duration setting should always be longer than the desired repeat count time duration plus the desired maximum steady tone period. "  
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 }   
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:05 PM
To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'; 'satish.kumar@ti.com'
Subject: IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -> Issue for pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneSteady when duration is shorter than TO


Satish,
 
Thanks for raising this issue. The intent of the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and pktcSigDevToneSteady was to support telco industry standards. If a tone definition using repeat count objects results in a tone sequence that is shorter than the TO time, the repeat count takes significance. I checked the NCS spec on this issue and I don't see a clear indication of expected behaviour when a tone duration is shorter than an associated TO.
 
Do you have text you would like to propose as a solution for the description of these objects?
 
Comments?
 
Gordon
 
>The MIbs specify the case where longer duration is set. However they do not specifically say what to do in the case >where setting the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount results in a tone duration which is shorter than the tone >duration which is specified through the timeout (TO)???    
 
>What is the expected duration behavior in this case?? Does the MTA has to observe the specified number of repeat counts?? or does it stick to the value in timeout(TO) MIB?  Please throw some light on expected behavior.
 

pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount      OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000)  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times 
            to repeat the entire on-off sequence. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone." 
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 }  
    


   pktcSigDevToneSteady    OBJECT-TYPE  
       SYNTAX       TruthValue  
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write  
       STATUS       current  
       DESCRIPTION  
           "This is the steady tone. Device must play out the on-off 
            sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and 
            then apply the last tone forever. Setting this object 
            may result in a tone duration longer than the overall 
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a 
            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined 
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents 
            the overall signal duration for a tone."  
       ::={ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 }  

 
 


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Hi Gordon,
 I agree with your proposed text.
=20
Thanks, Satish
=20


  _____ =20

From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005 [mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:34 PM
To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'; Kumar, Satish
Subject: RE: IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -> Issue for
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneSteady when duration is
shorter than TO


Motorola's suggested text for the pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and
pktcSigDevToneSteady objects to address this issue.
=20
Gordon
=20
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount      OBJECT-TYPE =20
       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000) =20
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write =20
       STATUS       current =20
       DESCRIPTION =20
           "This is the repeat count, which signifies how many times=20
            to repeat the entire on-off sequence. Setting this object=20
            may result in a tone duration longer or shorter than the
overall=20
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
            particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer
tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone
duration defined=20
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents=20
            the overall signal duration for a tone.  In this case, the
tone duration repeat count will not be fully exercised and the desired
tone duration will be truncated per the TO setting.  If the repeat count
results in a shorter tone duration than the signal duration specified by
the TO, the tone duration defined by the repeat count takes precedence
over the TO and will end the signal event. In this case, the TO
represents a time not to be exceeded for the signal.   It is recommended
to ensure proper telephony signalling that the TO duration setting
should always be longer than the desired repeat count time duration."=20
       ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 }=20
=20
pktcSigDevToneSteady    OBJECT-TYPE =20
       SYNTAX       TruthValue =20
       MAX-ACCESS   read-write =20
       STATUS       current =20
       DESCRIPTION =20
           "This is the steady tone. Device must play out the on-off=20
            sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and=20
            then apply the last tone forever. Setting this object=20
            may result in a tone duration longer or shorter than the
overall=20
            signal duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
            particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer
tone duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone
duration defined=20
            by the TO object for a particular signal always represents=20
            the overall signal duration for a tone. In this case, the
tone duration repeat count will not be fully exercised and the desired
tone duration will be truncated per the TO setting. If the repeat count
results in a shorter tone duration than the signal duration specified by
the TO, the tone duration defined by the repeat count takes precedence
over the TO and will end the signal event. In this case, the TO
represents a time not to be exceeded for the signal. It is recommended
to ensure proper telephony signalling that the TO duration setting
should always be longer than the desired repeat count time duration plus
the desired maximum steady tone period. " =20
       ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 }  =20
=20

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Beacham Gordon-CGB005=20
	Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:05 PM
	To: 'ipcdn@ietf.org'; 'satish.kumar@ti.com'
	Subject: IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -> Issue for
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneSteady when duration is
shorter than TO
=09
=09
	Satish,
	=20
	Thanks for raising this issue. The intent of the
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and pktcSigDevToneSteady was to
support telco industry standards. If a tone definition using repeat
count objects results in a tone sequence that is shorter than the TO
time, the repeat count takes significance. I checked the NCS spec on
this issue and I don't see a clear indication of expected behaviour when
a tone duration is shorter than an associated TO.
	=20
	Do you have text you would like to propose as a solution for the
description of these objects?
	=20
	Comments?
	=20
	Gordon
	=20
	>The MIbs specify the case where longer duration is set. However
they do not specifically say what to do in the case >where setting the
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount results in a tone duration which is
shorter than the tone >duration which is specified through the timeout
(TO)???   =20
	=20
	>What is the expected duration behavior in this case?? Does the
MTA has to observe the specified number of repeat counts?? or does it
stick to the value in timeout(TO) MIB?  Please throw some light on
expected behavior.
	=20
=09
	pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount      OBJECT-TYPE =20
	       SYNTAX       Unsigned32 (0..5000) =20
	       MAX-ACCESS   read-write =20
	       STATUS       current =20
	       DESCRIPTION =20
	           "This is the repeat count, which signifies how many
times=20
	            to repeat the entire on-off sequence. Setting this
object=20
	            may result in a tone duration longer than the
overall=20
	            signal duration specified by the time out (TO)
object for a=20
	            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration
defined=20
	            by the TO object for a particular signal always
represents=20
	            the overall signal duration for a tone."=20
	       ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 } =20
	   =20
=09
=09
	   pktcSigDevToneSteady    OBJECT-TYPE =20
	       SYNTAX       TruthValue =20
	       MAX-ACCESS   read-write =20
	       STATUS       current =20
	       DESCRIPTION =20
	           "This is the steady tone. Device must play out the
on-off=20
	            sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times
and=20
	            then apply the last tone forever. Setting this
object=20
	            may result in a tone duration longer than the
overall=20
	            signal duration specified by the time out (TO)
object for a=20
	            particular signal. In this case, the tone duration
defined=20
	            by the TO object for a particular signal always
represents=20
	            the overall signal duration for a tone." =20
	       ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 } =20
=09
	=20
	=20


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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D724503519-29092004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Gordon,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D724503519-29092004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;I agree with your proposed =
text.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D724503519-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D724503519-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Thanks, Satish</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Beacham Gordon-CGB005=20
[mailto:Gordon.Beacham@motorola.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, =
September 29,=20
2004 4:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'ipcdn@ietf.org'; Kumar, =
Satish<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -&gt; Issue for=20
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneSteady when duration is =
shorter=20
than TO<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Motorola's suggested text for the <FONT=20
color=3D#000000>pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount </FONT><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>and=20
<FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#000000>pktcSigDevToneSteady </FONT>objects =
to address=20
this issue.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Gordon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff>pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
OBJECT-TYPE&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Unsigned32 (0..5000)&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;&nbsp; =
read-write&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DESCRIPTION&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "This =
is the=20
repeat count, which signifies how many times=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
to repeat=20
the entire on-off sequence. Setting this object=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
may=20
result in a tone duration longer or shorter</FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff> than the overall=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
signal=20
duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer tone duration =
than=20
the signal duration specified by the TO</FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>, the tone duration defined=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
by the TO=20
object for a particular signal always represents=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
the=20
overall signal duration for a tone.&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D781110716-29092004>&nbsp;In=20
this case, the tone duration&nbsp;repeat count will not be fully =
exercised and=20
the desired tone duration will be truncated per the TO=20
setting.&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>If the repeat count results in a shorter tone =

duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration =
defined=20
by the repeat count takes precedence over the TO and will end the signal =
event.=20
In this case, the TO represents a time not&nbsp;to be exceeded for the=20
signal.</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D781110716-29092004>&nbsp;&nbsp; It is recommended&nbsp;to ensure =
proper=20
telephony signalling that the TO duration setting should always be =
longer than=20
the desired repeat count time duration.</SPAN>"=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18=20
}</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D194034215-29092004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D194034215-29092004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>pktcSigDevToneSteady&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OBJECT-TYPE&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TruthValue&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;&nbsp; =
read-write&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DESCRIPTION&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "This =
is the=20
steady tone. Device must play out the on-off=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
sequence=20
for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
then=20
apply the last tone forever. Setting this object=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
may=20
result in a tone duration longer or shorter than the overall=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
signal=20
duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
particular signal. If the repeat count results in a longer tone duration =
than=20
the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration defined=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
by the TO=20
object for a particular signal always represents=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
the=20
overall signal duration for a tone. In this case, the tone =
duration&nbsp;repeat=20
count will not be fully exercised and the desired tone duration will be=20
truncated per the TO setting.&nbsp;If the repeat count results in a =
shorter tone=20
duration than the signal duration specified by the TO, the tone duration =
defined=20
by the repeat count takes precedence over the TO and will end the signal =
event.=20
In this case, the TO represents a time not&nbsp;to be exceeded for the=20
signal.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>&nbsp;It=20
is recommended&nbsp;to ensure proper telephony signalling that the TO =
duration=20
setting should always be longer than the desired repeat count time=20
duration</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D781110716-29092004>&nbsp;plus the desired maximum steady tone=20
period.&nbsp;</SPAN>"&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
::=3D{=20
pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 }&nbsp;=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D648472616-29092004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Beacham=20
  Gordon-CGB005 <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:05=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'ipcdn@ietf.org'; =
'satish.kumar@ti.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -&gt; Issue for=20
  pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneSteady when duration =
is=20
  shorter than TO<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004>Satish,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D346552218-28092004>Thanks for raising=20
  this issue.&nbsp;The intent of =
the&nbsp;pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount and=20
  pktcSigDevToneSteady was to support telco industry standards. If a =
tone=20
  definition using repeat count objects&nbsp;results in a tone sequence =
that is=20
  shorter than&nbsp;the TO time, the repeat count takes significance. I =
checked=20
  the NCS spec on this issue and&nbsp;I don't see a clear indication of =
expected=20
  behaviour when a tone duration is shorter than an associated=20
  TO.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D346552218-28092004>Do =
you have text=20
  you would like to&nbsp;propose as a solution for the description of =
these=20
  objects?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004>Comments?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004>Gordon</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D346552218-28092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D346552218-28092004><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>&gt;The&nbsp;MIbs specify the case where =
longer=20
  duration is set.&nbsp;H</FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff><SPAN =

  class=3D017233019-27092004>owever&nbsp;they do not&nbsp;specifically =
say what to=20
  do in the case &gt;where setting the =
pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount=20
  results in a&nbsp;tone&nbsp;duration which is <STRONG>shorter</STRONG> =
than=20
  the&nbsp;tone &gt;duration which is specified&nbsp;through =
the&nbsp;timeout=20
  (TO)???&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></FONT>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D017233019-27092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D017233019-27092004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D346552218-28092004>&gt;</SPAN>What is the =
expected duration=20
  behavior in this case??&nbsp;Does the MTA has to observe the specified =
number=20
  of repeat&nbsp;counts?? or does it stick to the value =
in&nbsp;timeout(TO)=20
  MIB?&nbsp; Please throw some light on expected=20
  behavior.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D017233019-27092004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></SPAN></FONT>=
</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D346552218-28092004>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
  =
size=3D2>pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
  OBJECT-TYPE&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Unsigned32 (0..5000)&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  read-write&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DESCRIPTION&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "This =
is the=20
  repeat count, which signifies how many times=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
to=20
  repeat the entire on-off sequence. <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Setting this =
object=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
may=20
  result in a tone duration <U>longer</U> than the overall=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
signal=20
  duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

  particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
by the=20
  TO object for a particular signal always represents=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
the=20
  overall signal duration for a tone.</FONT>"=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 18 =

  }&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  pktcSigDevToneSteady&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OBJECT-TYPE&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  SYNTAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TruthValue&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MAX-ACCESS&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  read-write&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  STATUS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; current&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DESCRIPTION&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "This =
is the=20
  steady tone. Device must play out the on-off=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

  sequence for pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount times and=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
then=20
  apply the last tone forever. <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Setting this object =

  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
may=20
  result in a tone duration <U>longer</U> than the overall=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
signal=20
  duration specified by the time out (TO) object for a=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

  particular signal. In this case, the tone duration defined=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
by the=20
  TO object for a particular signal always represents=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
the=20
  overall signal duration for a tone</FONT>."&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ::=3D{ pktcSigDevToneEntry 19 =
}&nbsp;=20
  <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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Subject: [ipcdn] IETF NCS Sig MIB draft 6 -> Issue with E package
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Dear all,

In the DESCRIPTION of a number of MIB objects, the term "international
systems" has been replaced by "E package" in draft 6. This introduces the
side-effect that a number of MIB objects that have nothing to do with E
package support, now only have to be supported when the E package is
supported. The following MIB objects are the ones I believe have nothing =
to
do with the E package, since the caller ID and VMWI transmissions are
triggered using the L package:

pktcSigDevCIDMode
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRing
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterDTAS
pktcSigDevCIDFskAfterRPAS
pktcSigDevCIDRingAfterFSK
pktcSigDevCIDDTASAfterLR
pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterDTAS
pktcSigDevVmwiFskAfterRPAS
pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR

An MTA for the international market that does however not support the E
package, will want to support the above MIB objects.

Maybe we can revert to the description of "international systems"?

Thanks,

Regards,

David
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