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	Title		: Network-Based Call Signaling (NCS) MIB for PacketCable and IPCablecom Multimedia Terminal Adapters (MTAs)
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Folks,

   Find below my comments on the IPCDN Signaling MIB module draft-12.
Sumanth and I discussed them and he did integrate them into draft-13
which he submitted before the March 5 cutoff deadline. Draft-13 is now
available in the I-D repository.

   Sorry for sending this late to the ipcdn reflector but it does
document the changes made in draft-13 based on my quick review (some
of Sumanth's interspersed notes are in there too starting with [S].

   I will now complete the proto write-up on draft-13. Rich and I will
then request publication.

Jean-Francois.

--- IDnits on draft-12

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    instead of the newer IETF Trust Copyright according to RFC 4748.
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instead of
    the newer disclaimer which includes the IETF Trust according to RFC
4748.

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    match the current year

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  - Unused Reference: 'RFC2119' is defined on line 3356, but not
referenced
    '[RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
Requirem...'

 - in
 108 3.   Terminology
 110 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
 111 "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in
this
 112 document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.

                                                   ^^^^^^^^^ ^^
 =3D> It is missing the reference [RFC2119] for some reasons.

=20
  - Unused Reference: 'ETSI-TS-101-909-4' is defined on line 3419, but
not
    referenced
    '[ETSI-TS-101-909-4] ETSI TS 101 909-4:"Access and Terminals (AT);
Digi...'
=20
  - Unused Reference: 'ETSI-EN-300-324-1' is defined on line 3438, but
not
    referenced
    '[ETSI-EN-300-324-1] ETSI EN 300 324-1 V2.1.1 (2000-04):"V
Interfaces a...'

 =3D> for all these consider adding a paragraph in the mib front paper =
to
   insert proper citations, see other IPCDN RFCs for an example.

  - Possible downref: Non-RFC Normative Reference: ref. 'ITU-T-J169'
  - Possible downref: Non-RFC Normative Reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-CODEC'
  - Possible downref: Non-RFC Normative Reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-MGCP'
  - Possible downref: Non-RFC Normative Reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-PROV'

    Summary: 2 errors, 9 warnings

=20
--- Reference updates
  Some references might require some updates.

--- Review comments of draft-12

 - consider removing (r) in CableLabs (R) on page 1 (you may add it
  later)

 - s/RFCXYZ/RFC4682

 - each time you cite a PKT reference, consider adding the name of the
   spec, it helps the reader understand what the reference is about
   since it is an external ref.=20
   For e.g., see MTA MIB RFC for that:
   the PacketCable MTA Device Provisioning Specification
   [PKT-SP-PROV] and the PacketCable Codec Specification [PKT-SP-CODEC].

=20
 - in:

 3.3    L Line Package=20
   The L line package refers to the core signaling functionality as=20
   defined by PacketCable and IPCablecom. An MTA provides all L package=20
   elements, however the operator determines their application.=20

 3.4    E Line Package=20
   The E line package refers to extensions, over and above the core L=20
   package, defined in support of international requirements. E line=20
   package elements are optional, vary from country to country, and are=20
   set by operator or regulatory requirements.=20

Please indicate that these are MGCP packages, for example:
   L Line Package=20
   The L line package refers to the MGCP package for the core
   signaling functionality...

 - in section 4
   s/Institute(ETSI)/Institute (ETSI)
                              ^=20
 - in section 4
  s/

This MIB module provides a set of objects required for Signaling=20
   PacketCable, European Telecommunications Standards Institute(ETSI),=20
   and International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication=20
   Standardization Sector (ITU-T) IPCablecom compliant Multimedia=20
   Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices.
/
This MIB module provides a set of objects required for Multimedia
Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices compliant with the PacketCable and
IPCablecom signaling specifications published by CableLabs, the
European Telecommunications Standards Institute(ETSI), and the
International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication
Standardization Sector (ITU-T).
=20
 - s/ The SIG MIB module is/ The IETF MTA Signaling MIB module
   (PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB) is
=20
[S] Modified this to say 'The IETF NCS MIB module' (based on the title)
=20
 - s/SIG MIB/ signaling MIB module=20
  (the current text is not readable)
=20
 - s/ the ifTable (IF-MIB)/ the ifTable (IF-MIB [RFCxxx])
 - spell out FSK and DTMF (Frequency Shift Keying (FSK) and Dual tone
   multi-frequency (DTMF) on first use
 - expand CID into Caller Identification or Caller ID on its first use
   as you re-use it later
=20
 - in 4.2., expand the acronym RP-AS (=3D=3D Ring Pulse Alert Signal
   (RP-AS)) on its first use
=20
 - now, getting into section 5, MIB def
=20
 - in
   PktcCodecType ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION =20
The use of "PacketCable" as a noun is improper; always use PacketCable
as an adjective.
s/
             unknown         a codec not defined in PacketCable
/
             unknown         a codec not defined in the PacketCable
Codec Specification
=20
 - check end of line formatting for:
         bv16            Broadcom BroadVoice16=20
           . The list of codecs is consistent with the IETF=20
   =20
 - in
   DtmfCode::=3DTEXTUAL-CONVENTION=20
       STATUS       current=20
       DESCRIPTION=20
           "This textual convention represents the DTMF Character used =20
            to indicate the start or end of the digit transition =20
            sequence used for Caller ID or VMWI.=20
  =20
  Spell out VMWI on its first use
=20
 - in
=20
             CodecComboIndex pktcSigDevCodecType pktcSigDevCodecMax=20
            ^^^ =20
  You must use the proper name for that index. Suggest something like
             pktcSigDev
             CodecComboIndex pktcSigDevCodecType pktcSigDevCodecMax=20
=20
[S] I modified this as=20
         pktcSigDev        pktcSigDev        pktcSigDev
       CodecComboIndex      CodecType         CodecMax
=20
=20
  if you want to make it fit, but please use the full object name
=20
 - bug: in    pktcSigPowerRingFrequency, delete:
             Unless changed via configuration this MIB Object MUST=20
             reflect a value of '2427'." =20
        Which is a copy-paste from the previous mib object
=20
 - in    pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency, add a space before the comma in
        initialRing,enableMeterPulse,
                    ^
 - in:    pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel,
 An attempt to=20
             set this object while the value of pktcSigPulseSignalType=20
             is not enableMeterPulse, or meterPulseBurst will result in=20
             an 'inconsistent value' error."=20
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
s/'inconsistent value'/'inconsistentValue'=20
same for pktcSigPulseSignalDuration (do a global search/replace on
this one please).
=20
 - in pktcSigDevCidMode:
 s/method of Caller ID/method for representing and signaling Caller ID
 or something like that, indicating that this is the method by which=20
 caller ID is sent to the terminal (format, signals?).
 Check space before commas.
=20
 - in pktcSigDevCidAfterRing, you have:
   "         Value of 'pktcSigDevCidMode'     Default value=20
   =20
             duringringingETS                 550 ms=20
             dtAsETS                          0 (not used)=20
             rpAsETS                          0 (not used)=20
             lrAsETS                          0 (not used)=20
             lrETS                            0 (not used)=20
   =20
             An attempt to set this object while the value of=20
             pktcSigDevCidMode is not duringringingETS will result in=20
             an 'inconsistent value' error."=20
  and then
       DEFVAL { 550 }=20
 =20
  This may have been discussed in the past but is this appropriate?=20
  If the default value of this object depends on
  another one, would it be better to not have a DEFVAL clause? this
  seems strange to me, but it may be ok.=20
  At this late stage, just asking to make sure there is a some
  rationale on this.
  If you want to keep the DEFVAL because whenever it is applicable and
  used, its value is 550 by default, then I would rather see something
  like this in the description:
   "         Value of 'pktcSigDevCidMode'     Default value=20
   =20
             duringringingETS                 550 ms=20
             dtAsETS                          any value (not used)=20
             rpAsETS                          any value (not used)=20
             lrAsETS                          any value (not used)=20
             lrETS                            any value (not used)=20
   "
  Do you really need this object to be set to zero when not applicable?
  This means implementers have to build special code in the agent to
  update the value to zero on top of the DEFVAL at initialization.
=20
  s/'inconsistent value'/'inconsistentValue' (here again and globally)
=20
 - same comments as above apply to pktcSigDevCidAfterDTAS,
   pktcSigDevCidAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevRingAfterCID, etc.
=20
[S] Changed and this also included ' pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount'
=20
 - in pktcSigDevToneTable:
   consider changing the following sentence:
   s/
             Any definition of the tones callWaiting1-4 in this table=20
             should just contain the audible tone itself and NOT=20
             contain the delay between tones or the tone repeat count.=20
    /
             The definition of the tones callWaiting1 through
             callWaiting-4 in this table should just contain the
             audible tone itself; the delay between tones or the value
             of the tone repeat count are not applicable for the call
             waiting tones.
   =3D=3D> I assume this is what is meant given the def of the table
       entry; the use of capital NOT seems to relate to a missing
       requirement verb and it may not be necessary here.
=20
[S] I changed this to:
The definition of the tones callWaiting1 through callWaiting4 in this
table MUST only contain the audible tone itself; the delay between
tones or the value of the tone repeat count are not applicable for the
call waiting tones.
=20
=20
 - in pktcSigDevToneSteady:
   pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount does not exist but is used in the
   description.=20
   s/pktcSigDevToneWholeRepeatCount/pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount
   ?
   You should consider going through all the object names referenced
   in the mib objects to verify that their naming is correct per
   draft-12?
=20
   s/Device must play/Devices must play
=20
 - in pktcSigDevToneFreqMode:
   s/firstModulatedBySecond (1)/'firstModulatedBySecond (1)'
   s/summation (2)/'summation (2)'
=20
 - in pktcSigDevToneFreqAmpModePrtg:
   should this be Unsigned32?
   the single quotes should be removed for the mib object name (they
   are used for values):=20
=20
   [S] Repeated suggested change whatever I could find an occurance
=20
s/'pktcSigDevToneFreqMode'/pktcSigDevToneFreqMode
   any defval?
[S] I don't think there is a specific DEFVAL that works for all tones
(its part of a table representing multiple values, check the
examples)
=20
 - pktcSigDevToneDbLevel:
   same comment as above (please check throughout the mib module):
   s/'pktcSigDevMultiFreqToneTable'/pktcSigDevMultiFreqToneTable
=20
 - pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR:
   see above comments: should 0 be changed to any value?=20
   check syntax of InconsistentValue error
=20
 - pktcSigDevCidDtmfStartCode:
   remove single quote for object names
=20
 - pktcSigDevVmwiDelayAfterLR, and pktcSigDevrpAsDtsDuration:
   same comments as above for pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR

 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigTSMax: check identation
=20
 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus:
   s/active(1)/'active(1)'
=20
--- Object naming consistent and tree dump
# PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB registration tree (generated by smidump 0.4.5)
--pktcIetfSigMib(1.3.6.1.2.1.xxx)
  |
  +--pktcSigNotification(0)
  |
  +--pktcSigMibObjects(1)
  |  |
  |  +--pktcSigDevConfigObjects(1)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigDevCodecTable(1)
=20
should all objects in the config group be named: pktcSigDevConfig___?
e.g., s/pktcSigDevCodecTable/pktcSigDevConfigCodecTable ?
=20
[S] Since this would make some of the names exceed 32 characters, I
did it the other way around, i.e.,
=20
s/pktcSigDevConfigObjects/pktcSigDevObjects
=20
Is this OK?
=20
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigDevCodecEntry(1)
[pktcSigDevCodecComboIndex,pktcSigDevCodecType]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Unsigned32    pktcSigDevCodecComboIndex(1)
  |  |  |     +-- --- PktcCodecType pktcSigDevCodecType(2)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32    pktcSigDevCodecMax(3)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +-- r-n TruthValue      pktcSigDevEchoCancellation(2)
e.g., s/pktcSigDevEchoCancellation/pktcSigDevConfigEchoCancellation ?
same for objects below
  |  |  +-- r-n TruthValue      pktcSigDevSilenceSuppression(3)
  |  |  +-- rwn Enumeration     pktcSigDevCidSigProtocol(4)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR0Cadence(5)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR1Cadence(6)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR2Cadence(7)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR3Cadence(8)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR4Cadence(9)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR5Cadence(10)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR6Cadence(11)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevR7Cadence(12)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevRgCadence(13)
  |  |  +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevRsCadence(14)
  |  |  +-- rwn Dscp            pktcSigDefCallSigDscp(15)
  |  |  +-- rwn Dscp            pktcSigDefMediaStreamDscp(16)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigCapabilityTable(17)
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigCapabilityEntry(1) [pktcSignalingIndex]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Unsigned32      pktcSignalingIndex(1)
This object naming lacks roots:=20
s/pktcSignalingIndex/pktcSigCapabilityIndex
  |  |  |     +-- r-n PktcSigType     pktcSignalingType(2)
s/pktcSignalingType/pktcSigCapabilityType
etc.
  |  |  |     +-- r-n SnmpAdminString pktcSignalingVersion(3)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n SnmpAdminString pktcSignalingVendorExtension(4)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +-- r-n InetPortNumber  pktcSigDefNcsReceiveUdpPort(18)
  |  |  +-- r-n Enumeration     pktcSigPowerRingFrequency(19)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigPulseSignalTable(20)
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigPulseSignalEntry(1) [pktcSigPulseSignalType]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Enumeration pktcSigPulseSignalType(1)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn Enumeration pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency(2)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn TenthdBm    pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel(3)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn Unsigned32  pktcSigPulseSignalDuration(4)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn Unsigned32  pktcSigPulseSignalPulseInterval(5)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn Unsigned32  pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount(6)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +-- rwn Enumeration     pktcSigDevCidMode(21)
same here
s/pktcSigDevCidMode/pktcSigDevConfigCidMode
same for objects below
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevCidAfterRing(22)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevCidAfterDTAS(23)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevCidAfterRPAS(24)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevRingAfterCID(25)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevCidDTASAfterLR(26)
  |  |  +-- rwn Enumeration     pktcSigDevVmwiMode(27)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevVmwiAfterDTAS(28)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevVmwiAfterRPAS(29)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR(30)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable(31)
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry(1) [pktcSigDevRingCadenceIndex]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Unsigned32      pktcSigDevRingCadenceIndex(1)
  |  |  |     +-- rwn PktcRingCadence pktcSigDevRingCadence(2)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigDevToneTable(32)
s/pktcSigDevToneTable/pktcSigDevConfigToneTable ?

=20
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigDevToneEntry(1)
[pktcSigDevToneType,pktcSigDevToneFreqGroup]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Enumeration pktcSigDevToneType(1)
  |  |  |     +-- --- Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFreqGroup(2)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFreqCounter(3)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneWholeToneRepeatCount(4)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n TruthValue  pktcSigDevToneSteady(5)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +--pktcSigDevMultiFreqToneTable(33)
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  +--pktcSigDevMultiFreqToneEntry(1)
[pktcSigDevToneType,pktcSigDevToneNumber]
  |  |  |     |
  |  |  |     +-- --- Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneNumber(1)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFirstFreqValue(2)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneSecondFreqValue(3)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneThirdFreqValue(4)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFourthFreqValue(5)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Enumeration pktcSigDevToneFreqMode(6)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Integer32   pktcSigDevToneFreqAmpModePrtg(7)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n TenthdBm    pktcSigDevToneDbLevel(8)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration(9)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFreqOffDuration(10)
  |  |  |     +-- r-n Unsigned32  pktcSigDevToneFreqRepeatCount(11)
  |  |  |
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR(34)
  |  |  +-- rwn DtmfCode        pktcSigDevCidDtmfStartCode(35)
  |  |  +-- rwn DtmfCode        pktcSigDevCidDtmfEndCode(36)
  |  |  +-- rwn Enumeration     pktcSigDevVmwiSigProtocol(37)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevVmwiDelayAfterLR(38)
  |  |  +-- rwn DtmfCode        pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfStartCode(39)
  |  |  +-- rwn DtmfCode        pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfEndCode(40)
  |  |  +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcSigDevrpAsDtsDuration(41)
  |  |
  |  +--pktcNcsEndPntConfigObjects(2)
  |     |
  |     +--pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable(1)
  |        |
  |        +--pktcNcsEndPntConfigEntry(1) [ifIndex]
  |           |
  |           +-- rwn SnmpAdminString pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId(1)
  |           +-- rwn InetPortNumber
pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentUdpPort(2)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO(3)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigCriticalDialTO(4)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigBusyToneTO(5)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigDialToneTO(6)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigMessageWaitingTO(7)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigOffHookWarnToneTO(8)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigRingingTO(9)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigRingBackTO(10)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigReorderToneTO(11)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigStutterDialToneTO(12)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigTSMax(13)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1(14)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2(15)
  |           +-- rwn TruthValue      pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax1QEnable(16)
  |           +-- rwn TruthValue      pktcNcsEndPntConfigMax2QEnable(17)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigMWD(18)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdinit(19)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmin(20)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigTdmax(21)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoMax(22)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigRtoInit(23)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigLongDurationKeepAlive(24)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32      pktcNcsEndPntConfigThist(25)
  |           +-- rwn RowStatus       pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus(26)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingMaxRep(27)
  |           +-- rwn Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallWaitingDelay(28)
  |           +-- r-n InetAddressType
pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType(29)
  |           +-- r-n InetAddress
pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress(30)
  |           +-- r-n Enumeration     pktcNcsEndPntStatusError(31)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigMinHookFlash(32)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigMaxHookFlash(33)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialInterdigitTime(34)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinMakeTime(35)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxMakeTime(36)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMinBreakTime(37)
  |           +-- r-n Unsigned32
pktcNcsEndPntConfigPulseDialMaxBreakTime(38)
  |
  +--pktcSigConformance(2)
     |
     +--pktcSigCompliances(1)
     |  |
     |  +--pktcSigBasicCompliance(1)
     |
     +--pktcSigGroups(2)
        |
        +--pktcSigGroup(1)
        |
        +--pktcNcsGroup(2)
        |
        +--pktcInternationalGroup(3)
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IPCDN Folks,

   FYI. As a rule of thumb, please send ID comments to all authors of an =
Internet-Draft and the ipcdn list.

Jean-Francois.
IPCDN co-chair

-----Original Message-----
From: David B Harrington [mailto:dbharrington@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Jean-Francois Mule
Cc: Richard Woundy @ Comcast; Sumanth Channabasappa; bwijnen@lucent.com; =
david.kessens@nokia.com; 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'
Subject: IPCDN eventmess-09 review

Hi,

Executive Summary:
To try to get you some feedback sooner rather than later, I did a
fairly quick review of the document. I did NOT do a throrough review.
I have some serious concerns with the document. Some things suggest
that this document did not get a thorough review by the WG first. The
document does not pass id-nits cleanly (although partly because we
moved into a new year, and partly because the IPR boilerplate
changed).

Two very major issues of consistency with other IETF efforts plague
this document. This is understandable because this document tries to
correlate SNMP and syslog event messaging, and it is based on work
being done by Packetcable, but if this is going to be published as an
IETF document, it should be consistent with the IETF SNMP and Syslog
standards work.

SNMPv1 and SNMPv2c have been declared Historic and NOT RECOMMENDED,
but this document is obviously geared to working with SNMPv1 message
formats, especially the SNMPv1 Trap-PDU.

The syslog WG has been working to standardize the syslog protocol,
including a UDP and a TLS transport, and a MIB module. Yet this
document is based on RFC3164, which the syslog WG is probably going to
request be declared obsolete. This document does not properly hanlde
different types of transports for Syslog. I do not think this document
should progress unless it is brought into alignment with the syslog
documents.=20

Some objects in this document contain address information, and do not
appear to support both IPv4 and IPv6 addressing, although the document
is actually inconsistent on this point, using InetAddress TCs in some
places and not others. ISMS is expanding the types of InetAddresses
that can be used for SNMP (to support SSH transports). This MIB does
not have transport agility.

I believe a revision of this document is necessary, even before I do a
thorough review.

Some details to be addressed:
=20
1) The title on pages after the first use different authors and dates
inconsistent with the first page.

It is your choice, but I recommend using xml2rfc; that tool would have
made sure you had consistency on these points. I do think this MIB
module document is likely to go through another 2-3 revisions, to deal
with RFC4181 consistency, and to go through an analysis of the SNMP
type usages, addressing, table relations, and to handle updates to
coordinate with other documents in progress, so making the change to
xml2rfc could be justified.

2) This document does not pass the idnits tools cleanly.
IPR boilerplate needs to be updated per RFC4748
There is no Intended Status
Page lengths exceed maximum allowed
Copyright needs to be updated (due to crossing into the new year)

(page lengths might be longer because you are word-wrapping sooner;
there are lots of lines that have wrapped in the new revision that
were not wrapped in the old revision. Changing your line-length value
might fix the page length problem, and resolve most of the hyphen
breaks as well.)

3) I think the copyright and disclaimer normally do not get section
numbers.

4) section 3.0 has an unusual line break

5) section 3.1, 3.2, etc have unusual numbering; this is apparent
through most of the document, and is probably the result of an nroff
macro or something similar.

6) section 3.2 and section 3.3 have line breaks on a hyphenated term.

7) I personally preferred having the subtree descriptions numbered in
section 4, but that's just personal preference.

8) top level assignments in the MIB have a closing parenthesis on a
separate line.

9) SyslogSeverity in the syslog MIB is not a BITS type, but an Integer
enumeration. pktcDevEventClassSeverityLevel discusses setting bits. It
appears you are modeling a bit-mask rather than modeling severity
level. I will discuss this with my syslog co-chair and other MIB
Doctors and get back to you about the preferred approach to resolve
this. My first impression is that defining a SeverityLevelMask TC
(from your previous revision, but renamed to clarify that it is a
mask) would be the simplest approach for ipcdn, and keep the
syslogSeverity TC in the syslog mib. See below for more on this topic.

10) What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for an SNMP
warmStart (defined in rfc1157)?=20

The enterpise field in an SNMP Trap-PDU is an OID that identifies the
object generating a trap. For an SNMPv1 warmStart trap, the enterprise
is iso(1).org(3).dod(6).internet(1).mgmt(2).mib(1).snmp(11); how is
that represented as an integer value in the eventmess mib?

What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for the
lldpNotificationInterval notification from the LLDP MIB defined by
IEEE 8021? The notification identifier is "iso(1) std(0) iso8802(8802)
ieee802dot1(1) ieee802dot1mibs(1) lldpMIB(2) lldpNotifications(0)
lldpNotificationPrefix(0) lldpRemTablesChange(1)". SMIv2 traps and
informas do not use the Enterprise field; they use an OID to identify
the notification, which usually includes where it is defined; this
identification does not depend on the IANA-assigned enterprise values.


RFC3584 describes how to convert from an RFC1157 enterprise object
identifier to an SMIv2 notification object identifier. I recommend
lokin gthis over to understand the relationship.

What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for a syslog event,
descrbed using an SDE with enterpriseId of "0.1.2"?

Suggestion: Using an SMIv2 style OID for the event might make more
sense than using an integer value.

11) the syslogMIB defines SyslogFacility TC I recommend using that as
the syntax for pktcDevEventDescrFacility.

12) Some objects defined with SyslogSeverity treat the object as a
BITS type (with multiple bits set), others treat the object as an
enumeration (one value at a time). This needs to be fixed.

13) For pktcDevEventDescrReporting, why MUST the values be set? The
BITS type is extensible; why MUST the bits for any new types be set to
0, even though you do not know what the notification types are?

14) For pktcDevEventDescrReporting, where are the default values
specified that correspond to the severitylevel values? Are the
following two paragraphs setting default values? It doesn't say that.

15) why must pktcDevEventDescrId be either packetcable-defined or
vendor-specific? Why not ietf-defined? What about, say, ieee defined?
See note 10, which would make this distinction unnecessary.

16) I have real concerns about the number of objects that are specific
to PacketCable. Can this MIB be genericed to work for other MTAs as
well? If this is a PacketCable-specific MIB, then it should probably
be published by PacketCable as an enterprise MIB or as a Packetcable
standard MIB rather than as an IETF MIB. If there are no other MTA
standards, then you shouldn't need all the referebces to PacketCable
in the Description clauses.

17) The I-D does not specify the Intended Status.

18) pktcDevEventDescrReporting mentions SNMP traps; for
interoperability reasons, I believe it is necessary to specify whether
that refers to Trap-PDU (SNMPv1) or Trapv2-PDU (SNMPv3). Since SNMPv1
has been declared Historic by IETF, I think only Trapv2-PDU should be
generated by an IETF standards-track MIB module. But I might be
convinced otherwise.

19) I have some concerns about naming conventions. I recommend
checking the recommended practices discussed in RFC4181.

Consistent prefixes, shorter names, and fewer embedded abreviations
make object names easier for operators to remember.=20

19a) It will not be immediately obvious to users that objects starting
with pktcDev came from the pktcIetfEventMib. Do you intend to publish
an pktcIEEEeventMIB and a pktcITUEventMIB and a ...? If not, then
pktcEventMIB would probably suffice.

19b) Does this MIB only document pktc device events? Are there other
types besides device events? If not, you could drop the Dev from all
these object names, and stick with pktcEvent as a consistent prefix.

19c) Why use different prefixes for pktcDevEventControl and
pktcDevEvSyslogAddressType?=20

20) RFC3164 is an informational RFC. The Syslog WG is probably going
to recommend it be declared Historic or Obsolete as an IETF document.
The IETF is publishing a standardized syslog protocol, and this MIB
module should be consistent with the IETF standard protocol and
transports.

Notably, you have an object pktcDevEventSyslsogUdpPort, but the syslog
WG is defining multiple transports. Your addressing should be
consistent with the syslog standard work. You have no way of
specifying a TLS port or a BEEP encapsulation.

21) DevEvLogIndex - what does the sentence "The next entry for all the
above cases is 1." mean?  In the sentence "This also serves as an
indicator of event sequence.", what does This refer to?=20

22) DevEvLogTargetInfo does not provide enough information to take the
actions. To send an Inform, you need more than an IP address and port;
you need the SNMPv3 context and security information. To send a syslog
message, you should have the address type (IPv4/IPv6/DNS/etc.), the
address, the port, and the encapsulation. The IP address should be
either IPv6 or IPv4, so you need an address type identifier.

RFC3413 defines target tables, and you could use pointers to a row in
those tables, which would give you adequate info to send the SNMP
traps and informs.=20

23) Why do you need pktcDevEvNotificationIndex? You already have
pktcDevEvNotifications creating a subtree (with the 0 value required
for notifications); why create another 0-valued subtree under that?

24) pktcDevEvInform contains an enterprise value, which was
deliberately eliminated from traps in SMIv2, and RFC3584 discusses how
to convert from SNMPv1 traps to SMIv2 traps/informs. Why do you have
this value here?

Hope this helps,
David Harrington
dharrington@huawei.com=20
dbharrington@comcast.net
ietfdbh@comcast.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:11 AM
> To: dbharrington@comcast.net
> Cc: Richard Woundy @ Comcast; Sumanth Channabasappa;=20
> bwijnen@lucent.com; david.kessens@nokia.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Subject: RE: Re-sync on IPCDN wg activities
>=20
> David, Dan,
>=20
>   Any ETA re:
> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-even
> > > tmess-09.t
> > > xt
> > > This ID has been submitted to IESG (publication was requested on
> > > 12/13/2006) along with the proto write-up. We are awaiting an
> > > update from you as our AD.
> > > The next step seems to be a MIB doctor review.
> >=20
> > David Harrington committed to issuing a complete MIB Doctor review
> > sometime soon.
>=20
>=20
> Let me and Rich know. Also, Sumanth and I will be in IETF=20
> next week and available to chat if needed.
>=20
> Thank you in advance,
> Jean-Fran=E7ois
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:17 AM
> > To: Jean-Francois Mule
> > Cc: Richard Woundy @ Comcast; Sumanth Channabasappa;
> > bwijnen@lucent.com; dbharrington@comcast.net;=20
> david.kessens@nokia.com
> > Subject: RE: Re-sync on IPCDN wg activities
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi Jean-Francois,
> >=20
> > Thank you for the update.
> >=20
> > See in-line.
> >=20
> > Dan
> >=20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jean-Francois Mule [mailto:jf.mule@cablelabs.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:37 AM
> > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> > > Cc: Richard Woundy @ Comcast; Sumanth Channabasappa;
> > > bwijnen@lucent.com; dbharrington@comcast.net;
> > david.kessens@nokia.com
> > > Subject: RE: Re-sync on IPCDN wg activities
> > >
> > > Hi Dan,
> > >
> > >    This note provides a quick status update on IPCDN, a wg
> > > that will not meet at the upcoming meeting in Prage. This is
> > > based on some email exchanges Rich and I had with the current
> > > editors/co-authors of the IDs.
> > >
> > > -
> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-even
> > > tmess-09.t
> > > xt
> > > This ID has been submitted to IESG (publication was requested on
> > > 12/13/2006) along with the proto write-up. We are awaiting an
> > > update from you as our AD.
> > > The next step seems to be a MIB doctor review.
> >=20
> > David Harrington committed to issuing a complete MIB Doctor review
> > sometime soon.
> >=20
> > >
> > > -
> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-sign
> > > aling-12.t
> > > xt
> > > We expect that this draft will be revised one more time,
> > > likely before the cut-off date of March 5 2007. The proto
> > > write-up will follow shortly after that along with a request
> > > to publish it.
> > > (During the completion of my proto write-up for this ID,
> > > there were quite a few comments that we (Rich and I) feel
> > > should be addressed in a revised ID.)
> > >
> > > Let me or Rich know if you have any comments or questions on
> > > this. I will be in IETF if we need to chat live.
> >=20
> > No questions by now. Normally I would have asked you to update the
> > dates
> > in the charter, but taking into consideration that you may=20
> submit the
> > last document to the IESG by next week together with the=20
> proto write-
> > up
> > I would wave this by now.
> >=20
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Jean-Francois.
> > > jfm@cablelabs.com
> > >
> >=20
>=20
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Hi, David,

   First, thank you for taking the time to review and for your comments.
I copy ipcdn as I think those discussions should go to the list.

   I think some of your comments deserve more time to review and the
authors should respond soon in more details.

   That said, there are a few comments that I want to answer now.=20

See inline.
Jean-Francois.
IPCDN co-chair

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David B Harrington [mailto:dbharrington@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Jean-Francois Mule
> Cc: Richard Woundy @ Comcast; Sumanth Channabasappa;
> bwijnen@lucent.com; david.kessens@nokia.com; 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'
> Subject: IPCDN eventmess-09 review
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Executive Summary:
> To try to get you some feedback sooner rather than later, I did a
> fairly quick review of the document. I did NOT do a throrough review.
> I have some serious concerns with the document. Some things suggest
> that this document did not get a thorough review by the WG first. The
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Expert review was requested and Greg Nakanishi who authored the Docsis
event mgmt mib module provided comments late 2005. You reviewed draft-06
and provided comments to Sumanth on 6/20/2006 which were addressed in
draft-07 and subsequent versions.
Also, many ipcdn folks are acknowledged in the ID: some are device
manufacturers who reviewed this a few times, as did folks from tComLabs.
Finally Randy and Bert did chime in a couple of times on issues raised
on the ID.
That said, we always benefit from more reviews.

> document does not pass id-nits cleanly (although partly because we
> moved into a new year, and partly because the IPR boilerplate
> changed).

Ok, note that this was caught in the proto write-up.
This must be fixed but they are easy to fix (we caught the same kind of
issues on the ipcdn signaling mib module and they were fixed in
draft-13).

> Two very major issues of consistency with other IETF efforts plague
> this document. This is understandable because this document tries to
> correlate SNMP and syslog event messaging, and it is based on work
> being done by Packetcable, but if this is going to be published as an
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Since 2002, the work on this ID has been done in the IETF.

> IETF document, it should be consistent with the IETF SNMP and Syslog
> standards work.
Certainly and this has been a driver for the other IDs in IPCDN and the
main purpose for moving the work to IETF IPCDN.


> SNMPv1 and SNMPv2c have been declared Historic and NOT RECOMMENDED,
> but this document is obviously geared to working with SNMPv1 message
> formats, especially the SNMPv1 Trap-PDU.
This is not the intent and not my personal recollection.=20
All mib modules in IPCDN are 'geared to' working with SNMPv3.
As a matter of fact, this is mentioned in the security consideration
section.=20
What makes you say that w.r.t. the pdu format and what restrictions do
exist in the current mib module that would prevent SNMPv2 and SNMPv3 msg
formats?=20
Let fix this and please elaborate.
Is this because pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise is included in
notifications?

> The syslog WG has been working to standardize the syslog protocol,
> including a UDP and a TLS transport, and a MIB module. Yet this
> document is based on RFC3164, which the syslog WG is probably going to
This document started in 2002 and is based on rough consensus and
working code.

> request be declared obsolete. This document does not properly hanlde
> different types of transports for Syslog. I do not think this document
> should progress unless it is brought into alignment with the syslog
> documents.
I think we should discuss this more.
Not all transport of syslog may be used or supported by all devices,
certainly not devices in the field right now without a TCP stack...=20
Some of these limitations do exist because of small memory footprint on
some devices and just common usage of syslog on some access networks.

> Some objects in this document contain address information, and do not
> appear to support both IPv4 and IPv6 addressing, although the document
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Elaborate
> is actually inconsistent on this point, using InetAddress TCs in some
> places and not others.

I have not done a recent review of the MIB but objects use the
InetAddress TC.
If you are talking about making the DESCRIPTION clause of objects like
pktcDevEvSyslogAddress  more generic to use IPv6 examples, ok, this can
certainly and should be done.=20
Is that what you mean here?

> ISMS is expanding the types of InetAddresses
> that can be used for SNMP (to support SSH transports). This MIB does
> not have transport agility.

Stopping here due to time constraints, will let the authors review and
chime in here.


>=20
> I believe a revision of this document is necessary, even before I do a
> thorough review.
>=20
> Some details to be addressed:
>=20
> 1) The title on pages after the first use different authors and dates
> inconsistent with the first page.
>=20
> It is your choice, but I recommend using xml2rfc; that tool would have
> made sure you had consistency on these points. I do think this MIB
> module document is likely to go through another 2-3 revisions, to deal
> with RFC4181 consistency, and to go through an analysis of the SNMP
> type usages, addressing, table relations, and to handle updates to
> coordinate with other documents in progress, so making the change to
> xml2rfc could be justified.
>=20
> 2) This document does not pass the idnits tools cleanly.
> IPR boilerplate needs to be updated per RFC4748
> There is no Intended Status
> Page lengths exceed maximum allowed
> Copyright needs to be updated (due to crossing into the new year)
>=20
> (page lengths might be longer because you are word-wrapping sooner;
> there are lots of lines that have wrapped in the new revision that
> were not wrapped in the old revision. Changing your line-length value
> might fix the page length problem, and resolve most of the hyphen
> breaks as well.)
>=20
> 3) I think the copyright and disclaimer normally do not get section
> numbers.
>=20
> 4) section 3.0 has an unusual line break
>=20
> 5) section 3.1, 3.2, etc have unusual numbering; this is apparent
> through most of the document, and is probably the result of an nroff
> macro or something similar.
>=20
> 6) section 3.2 and section 3.3 have line breaks on a hyphenated term.
>=20
> 7) I personally preferred having the subtree descriptions numbered in
> section 4, but that's just personal preference.
>=20
> 8) top level assignments in the MIB have a closing parenthesis on a
> separate line.
>=20
> 9) SyslogSeverity in the syslog MIB is not a BITS type, but an Integer
> enumeration. pktcDevEventClassSeverityLevel discusses setting bits. It
> appears you are modeling a bit-mask rather than modeling severity
> level. I will discuss this with my syslog co-chair and other MIB
> Doctors and get back to you about the preferred approach to resolve
> this. My first impression is that defining a SeverityLevelMask TC
> (from your previous revision, but renamed to clarify that it is a
> mask) would be the simplest approach for ipcdn, and keep the
> syslogSeverity TC in the syslog mib. See below for more on this topic.
>=20
> 10) What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for an SNMP
> warmStart (defined in rfc1157)?
>=20
> The enterpise field in an SNMP Trap-PDU is an OID that identifies the
> object generating a trap. For an SNMPv1 warmStart trap, the enterprise
> is iso(1).org(3).dod(6).internet(1).mgmt(2).mib(1).snmp(11); how is
> that represented as an integer value in the eventmess mib?
>=20
> What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for the
> lldpNotificationInterval notification from the LLDP MIB defined by
> IEEE 8021? The notification identifier is "iso(1) std(0) iso8802(8802)
> ieee802dot1(1) ieee802dot1mibs(1) lldpMIB(2) lldpNotifications(0)
> lldpNotificationPrefix(0) lldpRemTablesChange(1)". SMIv2 traps and
> informas do not use the Enterprise field; they use an OID to identify
> the notification, which usually includes where it is defined; this
> identification does not depend on the IANA-assigned enterprise values.
>=20
>=20
> RFC3584 describes how to convert from an RFC1157 enterprise object
> identifier to an SMIv2 notification object identifier. I recommend
> lokin gthis over to understand the relationship.
>=20
> What is the value of pktcDevEventDescrEnterprise for a syslog event,
> descrbed using an SDE with enterpriseId of "0.1.2"?
>=20
> Suggestion: Using an SMIv2 style OID for the event might make more
> sense than using an integer value.
>=20
> 11) the syslogMIB defines SyslogFacility TC I recommend using that as
> the syntax for pktcDevEventDescrFacility.
>=20
> 12) Some objects defined with SyslogSeverity treat the object as a
> BITS type (with multiple bits set), others treat the object as an
> enumeration (one value at a time). This needs to be fixed.
>=20
> 13) For pktcDevEventDescrReporting, why MUST the values be set? The
> BITS type is extensible; why MUST the bits for any new types be set to
> 0, even though you do not know what the notification types are?
>=20
> 14) For pktcDevEventDescrReporting, where are the default values
> specified that correspond to the severitylevel values? Are the
> following two paragraphs setting default values? It doesn't say that.
>=20
> 15) why must pktcDevEventDescrId be either packetcable-defined or
> vendor-specific? Why not ietf-defined? What about, say, ieee defined?
> See note 10, which would make this distinction unnecessary.
>=20
> 16) I have real concerns about the number of objects that are specific
> to PacketCable. Can this MIB be genericed to work for other MTAs as
> well? If this is a PacketCable-specific MIB, then it should probably
> be published by PacketCable as an enterprise MIB or as a Packetcable
> standard MIB rather than as an IETF MIB. If there are no other MTA
> standards, then you shouldn't need all the referebces to PacketCable
> in the Description clauses.
>=20
> 17) The I-D does not specify the Intended Status.
>=20
> 18) pktcDevEventDescrReporting mentions SNMP traps; for
> interoperability reasons, I believe it is necessary to specify whether
> that refers to Trap-PDU (SNMPv1) or Trapv2-PDU (SNMPv3). Since SNMPv1
> has been declared Historic by IETF, I think only Trapv2-PDU should be
> generated by an IETF standards-track MIB module. But I might be
> convinced otherwise.
>=20
> 19) I have some concerns about naming conventions. I recommend
> checking the recommended practices discussed in RFC4181.
>=20
> Consistent prefixes, shorter names, and fewer embedded abreviations
> make object names easier for operators to remember.
>=20
> 19a) It will not be immediately obvious to users that objects starting
> with pktcDev came from the pktcIetfEventMib. Do you intend to publish
> an pktcIEEEeventMIB and a pktcITUEventMIB and a ...? If not, then
> pktcEventMIB would probably suffice.
>=20
> 19b) Does this MIB only document pktc device events? Are there other
> types besides device events? If not, you could drop the Dev from all
> these object names, and stick with pktcEvent as a consistent prefix.
>=20
> 19c) Why use different prefixes for pktcDevEventControl and
> pktcDevEvSyslogAddressType?
>=20
> 20) RFC3164 is an informational RFC. The Syslog WG is probably going
> to recommend it be declared Historic or Obsolete as an IETF document.
> The IETF is publishing a standardized syslog protocol, and this MIB
> module should be consistent with the IETF standard protocol and
> transports.
>=20
> Notably, you have an object pktcDevEventSyslsogUdpPort, but the syslog
> WG is defining multiple transports. Your addressing should be
> consistent with the syslog standard work. You have no way of
> specifying a TLS port or a BEEP encapsulation.
>=20
> 21) DevEvLogIndex - what does the sentence "The next entry for all the
> above cases is 1." mean?  In the sentence "This also serves as an
> indicator of event sequence.", what does This refer to?
>=20
> 22) DevEvLogTargetInfo does not provide enough information to take the
> actions. To send an Inform, you need more than an IP address and port;
> you need the SNMPv3 context and security information. To send a syslog
> message, you should have the address type (IPv4/IPv6/DNS/etc.), the
> address, the port, and the encapsulation. The IP address should be
> either IPv6 or IPv4, so you need an address type identifier.
>=20
> RFC3413 defines target tables, and you could use pointers to a row in
> those tables, which would give you adequate info to send the SNMP
> traps and informs.
>=20
> 23) Why do you need pktcDevEvNotificationIndex? You already have
> pktcDevEvNotifications creating a subtree (with the 0 value required
> for notifications); why create another 0-valued subtree under that?
>=20
> 24) pktcDevEvInform contains an enterprise value, which was
> deliberately eliminated from traps in SMIv2, and RFC3584 discusses how
> to convert from SNMPv1 traps to SMIv2 traps/informs. Why do you have
> this value here?
>=20
> Hope this helps,
> David Harrington
> dharrington@huawei.com
> dbharrington@comcast.net
> ietfdbh@comcast.net


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