From ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 05 11:59:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbRH-0005yf-80; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:59:19 -0400 Received: from ipcdn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbRG-0005yQ-4X for ipcdn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:59:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbRF-0005yH-QW; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:59:17 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([135.245.0.33]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbRF-0002cp-7o; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:59:17 -0400 Received: from ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-2.lucent.com [135.3.39.2]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l55FwtZe026736; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ilexadc01.ndc.lucent.com ([135.3.39.26]) by ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:05 -0500 Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com ([135.3.39.1]) by ilexadc01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:05 -0500 Received: from DEEXP01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.65]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:05 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U02.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.30]) by DEEXP01.de.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:59:02 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:58:56 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Thread-Index: AceXo0SGlgELDT/wRH+lXOzJ+ajDuwPuK0mA References: From: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" To: , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 15:59:02.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FC27990:01C7A78A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: be922d419820e291bde1362184dc32fd Cc: Jean-Francois Mule , "Woundy, Richard" Subject: [ipcdn] MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt X-BeenThere: ipcdn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP over Cable Data Network List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org [bcc: to MIB doctors list] Let me start to tell you that I am not a voice expert, so a lot of the actual content of this MIB module is abacadabra for me. I am assuming that other IPCDN WG members have evaluated (or will evaluate) the actual content w.r.t. the technical details and correctness. Let me also say that I find this MIB module pretty wieldy, Nevertheless, here are my MIB Doctor review comments. More or less serious issues/concerns: - writable objects MUST specify (for example in their DESCRIPTION=20 clause) the expected persistence behavior. - I see various objects aka: pktcSigDevR0Cadence OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX PktcRingCadence MAX-ACCESS read-write STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This object specifies ring cadence 0 (a user defined field). This object is required for the L line package." ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 5 } The fact that an object is required" is normally expressed in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE. The above object (together with several others)=20 seems conditionaly optional, which means you would group all such objects required for L line package in one OBJECT-GROUP and make that OBJECT-GROUP conditionaly mandatory. - I wonder if the SYNTAX of SnmpAdminString makes sense for the objects pktcSigCapabilityVersion and pktcSigCapabilityVendorExt. It will work. But, SnmpAdminString is intended to contain human readable (in any language/character set) strings. It seems that the values that you allow are very restricted and certainly cannot be in any other language/character-set. I personally can live with it... but you might want to think of just an OCTET-STRING that you define exactly what it can contain. - I find this strange: pktcSigPowerRingFrequency OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX INTEGER { f20Hz(1), f25Hz(2), f33Point33Hz(3), f50Hz(4), f15Hz(5), f16Hz(6), f22Hz(7), f23Hz(8), f45Hz(9) } UNITS "Hertz" Because tha value of the object is certainly not in "Hertz" units. A value of 1 doe not represent 1 UNIT of "Hertz", but it represents 20 Hertz. and so on... I think I would remove the UNITS clause. Same for pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency - pktcSigPulseSignalTable DESCRIPTION clause speaks about the mandatory nature of this table for E line package. This is MODULE-COMPLIANCE stuff and should be expressed in the OBJECT-GROUP grouping and MODULE-COMPLIANCE. similar comment for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable - I see: pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TenthdBm (-350..0) UNITS "dBm" I thought that the units were "1/10 of a dBm" ?? same for pktcSigDevToneDbLevel - Given the DESCRIPTION clause for pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Unsigned32 You might consider to make the syntax SYNTAX Unsigned32 (1..50) - This DESCRIPTION clause has to be incorrect: pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX PktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry MAX-ACCESS not-accessible STATUS current DESCRIPTION " Unique value ranging from 0 to 127 that will correspond to the different ring cadences that are being supported by the device." After all, it is an "entry" or "row" definition and so it does not have a value from 0-127. The INDEX object does. The DESCRIPTION clause of the INDEX object seems to be describing what an=20 Entry is all about. - What sort of duration (UNITS?) must I assume for: pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5000) same question for pktcSigDevToneFreqOffDuration, - Have seen a SYNTAX of SYNTAX INTEGER { fsk(1), dtmf(2) } for the signaling protocol multiple times.=20 Candidate for a TEXTUAL-CONVENTION? - For pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO, what does a zero value mean? similar question for the other pktcNcs....TO objects - I find it strange to see pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus in the middle of the table. But... it is not an error. - For the read-create table, I wonder where the read-only objects pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType and pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress come from? How does the agent determine those addresses.? - For pktcNcsGroup the DESCRIPTION clause talks about this group being mandatory for... That does NOT belong here. The fact if a group is mandatory or not is specified in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. Admin/Naming questions: - The title speaks about: Network-Based Call Signaling (NCS) MIB for PacketCable and while the MIB Module is named: PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB and pktcIetfSigMib Not that that is a bug... but it feels somewhat strange. Later in the document, at various places the "NCS MIB" term comes back, and so people might expect to see IETF-NCS-MIB or ietfNcsMib as names? - Section 4 states: Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices. The IETF NCS MIB module (PKTC-IETF- SIG-MIB) is intended to supersede various Signaling MIB modules from which it is partly derived: - the PacketCable 1.0 Signaling MIB Specification [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.0], - the PacketCable 1.5 Signaling MIB Specification [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.5], - the ITU-T IPCablecom Signaling MIB requirements [ITU-T-J169], - the ETSI Signaling MIB [ETSI-TS-101-909-9]. The ETSI Signaling MIB requirements also refer to various signal characteristics defined in [ETSI-TS-101-909-4], [ETSI-EN-300-001], [ETSI-EN-300-659-1], [ETSI-EN-300-324-1] and [ETSI-TR-101-183]. I know that many IPCDN WG members are all participating in PackagetCable, so I assume that superseding (is that same as obsoleting in IETF terms?) PacketCable documents is fine. But how about ITU-T and ETSI? Are they OK with the above statements? - In section 4.1 I would use "MIB module" instead of "MIB" - The groups listed in section 4.1 are not the same as the groups defined with the OBJECT-GROUP macros. - Sect 4.3 states: pktcSigCompliances - this table has one object that has compliance statements for devices that implement Signaling on the MTA. pktcSigGroups - this table contains group of objects for the common portion of the PacketCable NCS and Signaling MIB. pktcInternationalGroup - this table extends this MIB Module by establishing a set of objects designed to support operations over the widest possible range of markets. while none of these 3 are "tables" in MIB speak. - IN de MODULE-IDENTITY DESCRIPTION clause it states: Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2007). This version of this MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for full legal notices." That should be the new IETF Trust Copyright statement: Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2007). This version of this MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for full legal notices." =20 - pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable and the objects in that table have a prefix of pktcNcs.... Why not pktcSigNcs.... ??? Just to better avoid any future name clashes in other MIB modules . Nits: - I see: pktcSigDevEchoCancellation OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TruthValue MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This object specifies if the device is capable of echo cancellation." ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 2 } And so I assume that the value true(1) means that the device is capable of echo cancellation. I think it would be clearer if that were explicitly stated. There are more of such objects of SYNTAX TruthValue that could be clarified in a similar way. - there are some strange control characters in the document. Specifically in the section titles, for example: 9. ^M IANA Considerations - Security Considerations: Even if the network itself is secure (for example by using IPSec), pls change IPSec into IPsec which is the proper spelling and part of the latest security template. --------------------------- references issues (found by my own tool): !! Missing citation for Informative reference: P072 L048: [ITU-T-E.180] ITU-T E.180: "Various Tones Used in National Networks, --------------------------- IDnits tells me: (See RFC 3967 for information about using normative references to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'ITU-T-J169' -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-CODEC' -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-MGCP' -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'PKT-SP-PROV' probably OK, just listing it for completeness. Bert Wijnen =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:17 PM > To: MIB Doctors (E-mail) > Cc: Jean-Francois Mule; Woundy,Richard > Subject: [MIB-DOCTORS] Call for volunteer=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.t xt >=20 >=20 > MIB Doctors, >=20 > We need a volunteer to review > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.t xt.=20 > =20 > Please let me know if you have some available time for this=20 > review during the next few weeks.=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn From xguij@rogerfry.com Wed Jun 06 13:07:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hvyyy-0007Ui-1w for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:07:40 -0400 Received: from cpc1-nfds2-0-0-cust741.lei3.cable.ntl.com ([86.17.114.230]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hvyyw-0005QM-Hy for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:07:40 -0400 Received: from hqq ([52.142.31.27]) by cpc1-nfds2-0-0-cust741.lei3.cable.ntl.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:07:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4666E9DC.3070103@rogerfry.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:07:40 +0100 From: Lyons User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: brochure Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------030302070205050405080501" X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 --------------030302070205050405080501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit resident
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We are ashamed of our profession, and it's time to make some changes. It doesn't mean that germ theory is false, but these chronic degenerative diseases exist in a different realm. Tobacco companies make people poor, because they hook them on a product that's expensive to buy; and they have to keep buying it, because they're addicted to it. They will be embarrassed in the same way as they are today about the truth that they promoted cigarettes. They should be on lifestyle changes, strength training, physical exercise, exposure to natural sunlight, and consumption of fresh water on a more regular basis.
there's at least one really good article for me to read every day, and I read it and follow it. Fortunately, I've always been just naturally sceptical of anything that interferes with or alters the way my body was designed. The American Medical Association has even been convicted twice in the federal courts of conspiracy, for conspiracy to discredit chiropractic medicine.
Even the animals are starting to fight back. Why don't we ban the toxic ingredients that are intentionally added to cigarettes?
If drugs are so good for everybody, shouldn't we be the healthiest population in the world?
When people exercise free choice by smoking cigarettes, they still want somebody else to pay for their cancer or heart disease. When there are some people taking care of their health and avoiding smoking, why should those who smoke demand that everybody else pay for their health care costs? " Obviously I'm paraphrasing, but this is the kind of attitude we see.
The world's best AA battery chargerSave money and resources by using NiMH AA and AAA batteries. You will be embarrassed about that some day, believe me; instead, go study naturopathy. Inhaling cigarette smoke is the closest thing to suicide other than jumping off the Golden Gate bridge or leaping from a tall bank building in downtown Manhattan.
" They think that's the cause of the disease.
campaign, and the free downloadable Honest Food Guide. "Give us more money and in a couple more years, and we'll have cancer cured.
That is irresponsible medicine. "Give us more money and in a couple more years, and we'll have cancer cured.
For example, regarding physics and the laws of motion, Newtonian physics operate on a large scale; it talks about the interaction between the motion of objects and gravity and momentum. A lot of the mainstream media as well, because the drug companies spend so much money in advertising that they can pick up the phone and talk to the editors of these big magazines and news networks.
It's not, it's just a side effect.
It doesn't take an MBA to understand that it's bound to be a conflict of interest. They're selling a whole lot of cigarettes over there, and killing a lot of Chinese people in the meantime. All sales help fund NewsTarget operations.
That's nothing more than shifting responsibility to someone else when your own free choice turns out to be the wrong choice.
When people exercise free choice by smoking cigarettes, they still want somebody else to pay for their cancer or heart disease. has full ownership of and takes sole responsibility for all content.
Go help people in meaningful ways.
Solvents, flavor enhancers, accelerants, things that addict smokers, and such. Don't be exploited by tobacco companies or pharmaceutical companies just so that you can make their CEOs rich at your expense. They're not in widespread use. I hope I am around to see it so I can say, "I told you so" to all those who think I and going overboard against the big pharma's! To call them diseases is really not accurate. There's this huge transfer. There are no back alleys; they're doing quite well financially.
That's a decision they could make to get back into the system, if they wish, but if they wait until they are diagnosed with lung cancer or heart disease while they're still smoking, it's too late.
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Move up a week to Jan. It's like D'OH if you choose to watch it assume you're gonna see some sickening stuff.
It has taught me a great deal about the importance of respecting the thoughts of others.
Where does personal responsibility belong in all of this ? Most of the misery in lying stems from being found out.
People do strange things on tv, and to get there. Or even bending over backwards to make me happy with endless romance, flowers, heart-warming films and other such essential accoutrements ?
Or ballistic missiles?
There are so many terms for it . You have a lucky wife. Political Jobs View All Jobs Post a Job Job listings by Simply Hired Subscribe Get Political Wire by email delivery every morning!
but i agree wholeheartedly with you - nobody MADE him watch it. Bishop said he punched Barron after the senator called him a 'son of a bitch.
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This company's new direction was released in a fact sheet Friday. Investors are already jumping all over it. Read the release and get all over CAON first thing Monday! Troubling stuff, to be sure. Is this a branch of THE Muslim Brotherhood? It has been disappointing to me that the MSM has not done their own investigative work on this to much extent. Osama bin Laden, not yet a kingpin but living in Sudan while developing the organization and funding for his nascent network, was there. Colorado Springs police investigators checked with Tucson, Arizona police department and found that no attack on the mosque or any of its members had at that point taken place. Perhaps the CSIS and RCMP are, as it's their responsibility to be aware of any such groups threatening national security. Drug and weapons trafficking. The LA Times just published an account from a terror trial in the US where another man claims to have seen a jihadi training camp being run by the Pakistani military. No wonder CENTCOM is so interested in bloggers like us. Always thinking someone is watching him , always thinking that federal agents are going to bring down his empire , and in great fear of being attacked or someone crossing him. That's why I suspended the post upon advice of ABF just to be safe and contacted you for clarification. Van Tyle, who seems to have run the investigation, but then-Officer Benedetto, who originally requested it, now ranks as Assistant Chief of Police and is the Chief of Operations for DEP Police. Seems Gilani liked to use them for operations when possible because they didn't fit the profile of a majority of his group's members. We get nothing but menacing looks from the people who go in and out of the camp, and sometime they yell at us to mind our own business when we are just driving by. Keep up the good work. From Lynamnkv@americanprofit.net Wed Jun 13 07:55:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HyRRw-0004Dz-P1 for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:55:44 -0400 Received: from [78.5.41.230] (helo=[78.5.41.230]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HyRRp-0000IV-19 for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:55:44 -0400 Received: from [198.170.186.77] (port=20957 helo=[198.170.186.77]) by [78.5.41.230] with esmtp id 1ZYqea-000ESQ-17 for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:38 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:21 +0200 To: ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "Saffron Lynam" Subject: The default cluster size for a volume depends on the volume size and the file system. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=====================_158980250==.REL" X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9af087f15dbdd4c64ae6bbcdbc5b1d44 --=====================_158980250==.REL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_158980250==.ALT" --=====================_158980250==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed [] Mi diris pri tio suficxe detale. You need to directly do the loading yourselft if you want to read the ASCII file. It is, however, theoretically impossible for the heterogeneous communications to obtain correct information, because an existing IPv4 application can not deal with an IPv6 address. When the security in question is enabled, it means that the PC will have boot protection. Ne eblis imagi, ke li havis malamikojn. POSIX later revised P1003. It's just for a little parish broadsheet I edit. Some time later he met a beauty from a famous family and fell in love with her. I don't think I've even wrestled anybody in years, except for feastday games. To set shadows correctly, you must create a visible object and the light to cast shadows. One thing you must remember, after you're through with the device context handle, you must release it during the processing of a single message. Her eyes were fixed upon her face. You can have the most generic swap, a less generic swap, an even less generic swap, and a totally specific swap. The Thane of Cawdor lives. Mi dume havas neniun ideon, cxu estas cxi tie ia ligo kun nia afero, sed tipologia simileco estas evidenta. In lieu of the desired refreshment she offered him a cold crumpet, which he declined, and told him to get on with it. If you have the same values (id's) on both the view and the popup menu items then the updating can be mapped to and handled by the same UI-handler= function. 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Mi diris pri tio suficxe detale. You need to directly do the loading
yourselft if you want to read the ASCII file.
It is, however, theoretically impossible for the heterogeneous
communications to obtain correct information, because an existing
IPv4 application can not deal with an IPv6 address. When the security
in question is enabled, it means that the PC will have boot protection.
Ne eblis imagi, ke li havis malamikojn. POSIX later revised P1003.
It's just for a little parish broadsheet I edit. Some time later he
met a beauty from a famous family and fell in love with her.
I don't think I've even wrestled anybody in years, except for
feastday games. To set shadows correctly, you must create a visible
object and the light to cast shadows.
One thing you must remember, after you're through with the device
context handle, you must release it during the processing of a single
message. Her eyes were fixed upon her face.
You can have the most generic swap, a less generic swap, an even less
generic swap, and a totally specific swap. The Thane of Cawdor lives.
Mi dume havas neniun ideon, cxu estas cxi tie ia ligo kun nia afero,
sed tipologia simileco estas evidenta. In lieu of the desired
refreshment she offered him a cold crumpet, which he declined, and
told him to get on with it.
If you have the same values (id's) on both the view and the popup
menu items then the updating can be mapped to and handled by the same
UI-handler= function. If we succeed -- then we will face the next task.
It is that if existence of M0 is a reality, policy must reflect this
fact. Implement this interface if you want your filter or plug-in
distributor to be able to register itself automatically as part of a
setup routine on an end user system.
Someone pounded across it and disappeared through the doorway of the
library. To set shadows correctly, you must create a visible object
and the light to cast shadows.
TRANSPARENT The background is not changed. And the next part isn't
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Clearly, the Internet has become the = go-to resource=20 for most companies looking for solutions. Nous sommes les complices du = capitalisme,=20 mais aussi ses otages.
Le Capitalisme est devenu sauvage,=20 totalitaire.
Workforce And The Increasing Need For = Adult=20 Education And Literacy identifies the need for expanded and more = effective adult=20 education and literacy programs in America. So there has been a = dedicated,=20 relentless, and pretty successful effort from the producers of music to = make sure=20 that if you consume music, you pay for it.
In fact, it was much more like a proper = Bible study=20 than anything I've seen at any church I've been at since St. Because = it's fast and=20 easy to learn. Obviously, this list, besides being useless to me in this = state, is=20 utterly unsuited to being printed out and used for a discussion with my = unP-HB about=20 my work tasks and priorities.
The thing to remember about a jagged = array is that=20 it's really an array of arrays. The systems methodology expert from=20 England?
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Je croyais que pour gagner il fallait y = croire ?=20 You can get 'em all in one package here!
Rien ne sert de chercher, mieux vaut=20 trouver.
client view so characteristic of Ybghf = Abgrf, is=20 trashed.
How about the native Cnyz software that = should work=20 with the gadget?
So after scribbling down a few guesses = and starting=20 on a binary tree to diagram it out, I said, "Phooey!
And I didn't even have to know how big = the array=20 is.
The Amazing BrainA woman born with only = half a=20 brain learned to read and speak because her right brain assumed = functions usually=20 performed by the left-brain. Rien ne sert de chercher, mieux vaut = trouver. As it=20 turns out, finding all the permutations of a string of characters can be = done most=20 efficiently with a recursive algorithm. The cases are presented in The = Brain That=20 Changes Itself by research psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Dr. Unless = you work for=20 a big DP shop or you have some pretty sophisticated needs, you will = never miss the=20 relatively few things Microsoft didn't put into VB Express.
and started to write a = program.
And so different interests are = described by those=20 different hooks; some people want to know what the challenge will be and = how they'll=20 overcome obstacles for their ultimate reward. This is virtually = unprecedented in any=20 other area of human activity.
"Should" Software Be Free?
Brian, you are doing a spectacular job = of=20 articulating the connections.
Migrating the Menu to VB .
Les liens pour commander sur lulu. The = emerging=20 perspective is that the brain can be strengthened, like a muscle, and it = can rewire=20 itself. Ils sont encore en bien des points un mouvement = d'opinion.
Lisainformatsioon: www.
Activism and advocacy.
Currently, I'm the instructor for an = "Introduction=20 to Programming" class being offered by HP. If not, then eat a bowl of=20 soup.
Or have you moved away ?
And I decided that readers here might = want to weigh=20 in with their own thoughts about it.
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Received: from 201-43-19-184.dsl.telesp.net.br ([201.43.19.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzcDv-0005an-8G for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:38:18 -0400 Received: from iartd ([61.229.35.181]) by 201-43-19-184.dsl.telesp.net.br with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:38:42 -0300 Message-ID: <001e01c7b03d$2e68c420$b523e53d@iartd> From: "Nanny Henson" To: Subject: The report discusses the issue and the various suggestions made. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:38:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B024.090D8260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 162d87dc0b780d17da9b1934777fd451 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B024.090D8260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001B_01C7B024.091104D0" ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01C7B024.091104D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tell them why they need to do it, and what's in it for them. It takes = time, few know how to do it, and there is an embarrassment factor. ICANN = is the body that governs the basic functions of the Internet. Thought = needs to be put into the reason records are public and how they might be = used differently online. No one can be an expert at everything. Creating = meaningful, measurable, and effective service levels for service = provider agreements is not easy. The sensitive information was contained = on a CD that was apparently lost while it was being shipped. Given the number of data leaks that seem to occur, those are valid = concerns. The informality of blogs, as is often the case with new communications = media, lulls people into a false sense of security. Seems their backup = server didn't do its job, and they had to redo it all. While there is a need to recruit experienced personnel, there is also a = need to hire graduates and train them for specific needs . The other = thing that concerns me is what part of those numbers and other info the = retailer keeps on their systems. When various retailers print various = parts of the numbers it makes it too easy to combine them back together. = To paraphrase from the event program, her perspective on the world of = business is unique. This is a must read for CIO's, and anyone in charge of data security. He = talks about ICANN's role, why its role is a challenge, and what kind of = people it needs as directors and other volunteers. - Fine-tune your message. It gives examples of different IT careers, along with profiles of = individual Londoners in those careers. Its interesting food for thought = though, and worth a read. That is counter to the usual thought that most = entrepreneurs are risk takers. - A business can be located anywhere and = be successful. Treat paper like hazardous waste. It has wifi which helps = reduce those data roaming charges. When it comes time to dispose of them, shred them properly. Various privacy commissioners take the position that mere password = control access is not enough. Many patents have been criticised for being issued with too low of a = threshold for obviousness. Biometric data, once collected, can be = stored, shared and used for numerous purposes, inviting potential = discrimination and identity theft. - Fine-tune your message. Tell them = why they need to do it, and what's in it for them. Kudos to rTraction = for preparing the great video that kicked off the event. Its worth a look for anyone interested in the issue. The issue is also = being raised for wireless services. Get the advice you need. This ties into the priorities of the minority government - so expect it = later rather than sooner. ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01C7B024.091104D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Tell them why they need to do it, and = what's in it=20 for them. It takes time, few know how to do it, and there is an = embarrassment=20 factor. ICANN is the body that governs the basic functions of the = Internet. Thought=20 needs to be put into the reason records are public and how they might be = used=20 differently online. No one can be an expert at everything. Creating = meaningful,=20 measurable, and effective service levels for service provider agreements = is not=20 easy. The sensitive information was contained on a CD that was = apparently lost while=20 it was being shipped.
Given the number of data leaks that = seem to occur,=20 those are valid concerns.
The informality of blogs, as is often = the case with=20 new communications media, lulls people into a false sense of security. = Seems their=20 backup server didn't do its job, and they had to redo it = all.
While there is a need to recruit = experienced=20 personnel, there is also a need to hire graduates and train them for = specific needs=20 The other thing that concerns me is what part of those numbers and = other info the=20 retailer keeps on their systems. When various retailers print various = parts of the=20 numbers it makes it too easy to combine them back together. To = paraphrase from the=20 event program, her perspective on the world of business is = unique.
This is a must read for CIO's, and = anyone in charge=20 of data security. He talks about ICANN's role, why its role is a = challenge, and what=20 kind of people it needs as directors and other volunteers.
- Fine-tune your message.
It gives examples of different IT = careers, along=20 with profiles of individual Londoners in those careers. Its interesting = food for=20 thought though, and worth a read. That is counter to the usual thought = that most=20 entrepreneurs are risk takers. - A business can be located anywhere and = be=20 successful. Treat paper like hazardous waste. It has wifi which helps = reduce those=20 data roaming charges.
When it comes time to dispose of them, = shred them=20 properly.
Various privacy commissioners take the = position=20 that mere password control access is not enough.
Many patents have been criticised for = being issued=20 with too low of a threshold for obviousness. Biometric data, once = collected, can be=20 stored, shared and used for numerous purposes, inviting potential = discrimination and=20 identity theft. - Fine-tune your message. Tell them why they need to do = it, and=20 what's in it for them. Kudos to rTraction for preparing the great video = that kicked=20 off the event.
Its worth a look for anyone interested = in the=20 issue. The issue is also being raised for wireless = services.
Get the advice you need.
This ties into the priorities of the = minority=20 government - so expect it later rather than = sooner.
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Fidelia" To: Subject: apostolic geometrically Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:24:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7B32D.80E4FFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2578 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2578 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 71f780ffdd80c541d3e75aa5f2710d3d ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7B32D.80E4FFA0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0019_01C7B32D.80E6D460" ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C7B32D.80E6D460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today, it is one of the few countries in our world that has successfully = lowered its levels of urban and interpersonal violence. What is forgotten is the greater blackout, resulting in the lack of an = aeronautics system that is well equipped and capable of protecting all = of Brazil's air, territorial and maritime space. The complicity between = sources and reporters in this issue and the survival instinct of the = beat reporters, always anxious for the next scoop, would contaminate the = journalistic investigation. Finally, two other crucial reforms attacked = the rural agriculture elites. Evidently, Goulart underestimated the = power of the military because he refused to heed the warn She woke up = suffocated in screams and tears. When was the last time a Brazilian was = under fire. Brazil was the last country in the Western Hemisphere to end = slavery. How many Brazilian reporters are in Iraq, or Bosnia? Those who continue to feel that they are victims eventually turn into = aggressors unless they learn to deal with their hurt and angry feelings. = A country not worth dying for is not worth living for. The cycle of hate = and vengeance destroys so many families and communities. Adolfo has always combined high levels of professionalism and technical = competence with unfailing good taste. This interweaving of narrators "allows for the existence of many = intersections in the plot and, consequently, the mutual validation of = all them. What is one more dead reporter. Now I understand differently. = Braga is a freelance Portuguese translator and interpreter based in = Dallas. CDHEP works on community leadership formation, violence prevention, and = the formation and articulation of social movements. She wanted to run, = but her legs didn't obey her. A compromise route to gradually end = slavery was implemented which undoubtedly tailored to elite interest. CDHEP works on community leadership formation, violence prevention, and = the formation and articulation of social movements. He felt that this = was the best mechanism in transforming Brazilian society. ESPERE = provides them with an opportunity to recuperate, heal, and rebuild their = lives. Finally, two other crucial reforms attacked the rural agriculture = elites. How do the Schools for Pardon and Reconciliation function? Yet, within a = year of ending slavery, the military established a republic through a = military coup. This is genuinely a moving performance. A Shame It's Only on Paper. Saboya's feeling for swing never lets us down on Tom Jobim's = "Fotografia. The cycle of hate and vengeance destroys so many families and = communities. There is nothing hackneyed about his harmonic syntax. Following that, we learn what happened after the tragedy. All have = become accustomed and have accommodated themselves. In our world today, there is much information about methods to resolve = conflicts, mediation, non-violence, and how to build a culture of peace. 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What is forgotten is the greater = blackout,=20 resulting in the lack of an aeronautics system that is well equipped and = capable of=20 protecting all of Brazil's air, territorial and maritime space. The = complicity=20 between sources and reporters in this issue and the survival instinct of = the beat=20 reporters, always anxious for the next scoop, would contaminate the = journalistic=20 investigation. Finally, two other crucial reforms attacked the rural = agriculture=20 elites. Evidently, Goulart underestimated the power of the military = because he=20 refused to heed the warn She woke up suffocated in screams and tears. = When was the=20 last time a Brazilian was under fire. Brazil was the last country in the = Western=20 Hemisphere to end slavery.
How many Brazilian reporters are in = Iraq, or=20 Bosnia?
Those who continue to feel that they = are victims=20 eventually turn into aggressors unless they learn to deal with their = hurt and angry=20 feelings. A country not worth dying for is not worth living for. The = cycle of hate=20 and vengeance destroys so many families and communities.
Adolfo has always combined high levels = of=20 professionalism and technical competence with unfailing good = taste.
This interweaving of narrators "allows = for the=20 existence of many intersections in the plot and, consequently, the = mutual validation=20 of all them. What is one more dead reporter. Now I understand = differently. Braga is=20 a freelance Portuguese translator and interpreter based in = Dallas.
CDHEP works on community leadership = formation,=20 violence prevention, and the formation and articulation of social = movements. She=20 wanted to run, but her legs didn't obey her. A compromise route to = gradually end=20 slavery was implemented which undoubtedly tailored to elite = interest.
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Finally, two other crucial reforms = attacked the=20 rural agriculture elites.
How do the Schools for Pardon and = Reconciliation=20 function? Yet, within a year of ending slavery, the military established = a republic=20 through a military coup. This is genuinely a moving = performance.
A Shame It's Only on = Paper.
Saboya's feeling for swing never lets = us down on=20 Tom Jobim's "Fotografia.
The cycle of hate and vengeance = destroys so many=20 families and communities. There is nothing hackneyed about his = harmonic=20 syntax.
Following that, we learn what happened = after the=20 tragedy. All have become accustomed and have accommodated = themselves.
In our world today, there is much = information about=20 methods to resolve conflicts, mediation, non-violence, and how to build = a culture of=20 peace.
Those that are perpetrating the crimes = have a=20 vested interested in silence, invisibility.
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From ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 20 19:10:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19K4-0004z4-79; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:10:48 -0400 Received: from ipcdn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I19K3-0004yn-6v for ipcdn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:10:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19K2-0004ye-TP for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:10:46 -0400 Received: from ondar.cablelabs.com ([192.160.73.61]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19K2-0002FP-8e for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:10:46 -0400 Received: from kyzyl.cablelabs.com (kyzyl.cablelabs.com [10.253.0.7]) by ondar.cablelabs.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5KNAbMY010399; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from srvxchg3.cablelabs.com (10.5.0.25) by kyzyl.cablelabs.com (F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:10:36 -0700 (MST) X-Virus-Status: clean(F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:10:34 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAEDF491EF7CA48AB587781B8F5D7C62203BC@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Thread-Index: AceXo0SGlgELDT/wRH+lXOzJ+ajDuwPuK0mAAwz/gJA= References: From: "Sumanth Channabasappa" To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , , "Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments" , X-Approved: ondar X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2fe944273194be3112d13b31c91e6941 Cc: Jean-Francois Mule , "Richard Woundy @ Comcast" Subject: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt X-BeenThere: ipcdn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP over Cable Data Network List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Bert, Comments inline. > Let me start to tell you that I am not a voice expert, so a lot of the > actual content of this MIB module is abacadabra for me. I am assuming=20 > that other IPCDN WG members have evaluated (or will > evaluate) the actual content w.r.t. the technical details and=20 > correctness. >=20 > Let me also say that I find this MIB module pretty wieldy, Thanks for the review and this opening comment. It is nice to hear and the credit goes to all the ipcdn participants & implementers who contributed to, and revised, the mib module over the years. > More or less serious issues/concerns: >=20 > - writable objects MUST specify (for example in their DESCRIPTION > clause) the expected persistence behavior. Good point. The following MIB Objects are writable: pktcSigDevCidSigProtocol, pktcSigDevR0Cadence, pktcSigDevR1Cadence, pktcSigDevR2Cadence, pktcSigDevR3Cadence, pktcSigDevR4Cadence, pktcSigDevR5Cadence, pktcSigDevR6Cadence, pktcSigDevR7Cadence, pktcSigDevRgCadence, pktcSigDefCallSigDscp, pktcSigDefMediaStreamDscp, pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency, pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel, pktcSigPulseSignalDuration, pktcSigPulseSignalPulseInterval, pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount, pktcSigDevCidMode, pktcSigDevCidAfterRing, pktcSigDevCidAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevCidAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevRingAfterCID, pktcSigDevCidDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiMode, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevRingCadence, pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevCidDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevCidDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevVmwiSigProtocol, pktcSigDevVmwiDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevrpAsDtsDuration. We did not intend to persist any of these MIB Objects. The DESCRIPTION clause will be updated to reflect this. > - I see various objects aka: > pktcSigDevR0Cadence OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcRingCadence > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies ring cadence 0 (a user defined > field). This object is required for the L line package." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 5 } >=20 > The fact that an object is required" is normally expressed in the > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. The above object (together with several others) > seems conditionaly optional, which means you would group all such > objects required for L line package in one OBJECT-GROUP and make > that OBJECT-GROUP conditionaly mandatory. Your proposal makes sense. I propose we add a new object-group and indicate it to be conditionally mandatory as you suggest. > - I wonder if the SYNTAX of SnmpAdminString makes sense for the > objects pktcSigCapabilityVersion and pktcSigCapabilityVendorExt. > It will work. But, SnmpAdminString is intended to contain human > readable (in any language/character set) strings. It seems that the > values that you allow are very restricted and certainly cannot > be in any other language/character-set. > I personally can live with it... but you might want to > think of just an OCTET-STRING that you define exactly what it can > contain. Can see your point; however, given the original intention to not be restrictive regarding the values and to restrict this to human readable strings only, we should probably let this be as-is.=20 > - I find this strange: > pktcSigPowerRingFrequency OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > f20Hz(1), > f25Hz(2), > f33Point33Hz(3), > f50Hz(4), > f15Hz(5), > f16Hz(6), > f22Hz(7), > f23Hz(8), > f45Hz(9) > } > UNITS "Hertz" >=20 > Because tha value of the object is certainly not in "Hertz" units. > A value of 1 doe not represent 1 UNIT of "Hertz", but it represents > 20 Hertz. and so on... I think I would remove the UNITS clause. Yes, good catch, UNITS clause will be removed. > Same for pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency Yes, UNITS clause will be removed. > - pktcSigPulseSignalTable DESCRIPTION clause speaks about the=20 > mandatory > nature of this table for E line package. This is MODULE-COMPLIANCE > stuff and should be expressed in the OBJECT-GROUP grouping and > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. >=20 > similar comment for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable I propose we add another new object-group and make it conditionally mandatory as you suggested earlier. > > - I see: > pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TenthdBm (-350..0) > UNITS "dBm" >=20 > I thought that the units were "1/10 of a dBm" ?? >=20 > same for pktcSigDevToneDbLevel Yes, will be updated. > - Given the DESCRIPTION clause for > pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32 > You might consider to make the syntax > SYNTAX Unsigned32 (1..50) Yes, will be updated. > - This DESCRIPTION clause has to be incorrect: >=20 > pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " Unique value ranging from 0 to 127 that will correspond=20 > to > the different ring cadences that are being supported by > the device." >=20 > After all, it is an "entry" or "row" definition and so it does not=20 > have a > value from 0-127. The INDEX object does. > The DESCRIPTION clause of the INDEX object seems to be describing=20 > what an > Entry is all about. Good catch. Will be corrected. > - What sort of duration (UNITS?) must I assume for: > pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5000) >=20 > same question for pktcSigDevToneFreqOffDuration, According to the clarification provided by Satish Kumar and Phil Freyman, this is in milliseconds > - Have seen a SYNTAX of > SYNTAX INTEGER { > fsk(1), > dtmf(2) > } > for the signaling protocol multiple times. > Candidate for a TEXTUAL-CONVENTION? Yes, a TC will be created. > - For pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO, what does a zero value mean? >=20 > similar question for the other pktcNcs....TO objects I think the DESCRIPTION needs some additional explanation. To better respond to your question, here is the response from Phil Freyman who articulates the reasoning... "Logically the TO objects will be longer than any tone or frequency duration that it applies to since it is really a time out max for "bad" signaling situations. Per other text the TO object takes priority over any duration or cadence settings so if the TO object is set to "0" seconds, then the related tone would not be played out (timed out). Regardless of any duration or cadence setting. We cannot state that the TO must be longer than the associated tone duration since some durations are continuous and therefore the value of a time out would be lost...." > - I find it strange to see pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus in the middle of=20 > the > table. But... it is not an error. OK, I suggest we leave it as-is at this point. > - For the read-create table, I wonder where the read-only objects > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType and=20 > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress > come from? How does the agent determine those addresses.? The DESCRIPTION needs to clarify this. To explain further, the agent determines the CMS FQDN from the MIB Object 'pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId'. It then uses DNS to resolve the IP address. This resolution can lead to multiple IP addresses and it picks one. It then populates 'pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress' with this IP address. > - For pktcNcsGroup the DESCRIPTION clause talks about this group being > mandatory for... That does NOT belong here. The fact if a group is > mandatory or not is specified in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. Yes, this will be fixed. > Admin/Naming questions: >=20 > - The title speaks about: >=20 > Network-Based Call Signaling (NCS) MIB for PacketCable and >=20 > while the MIB Module is named: PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB and pktcIetfSigMib > Not that that is a bug... but it feels somewhat strange. >=20 > Later in the document, at various places the "NCS MIB" term comes=20 > back, > and so people might expect to see IETF-NCS-MIB or ietfNcsMib as=20 > names? Let me check with the co-authors. I would leave it as-is, but I think we need to clean up the text accordingly. >=20 > - Section 4 states: >=20 > Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices. The IETF NCS MIB module (PKTC-IETF- > SIG-MIB) is intended to supersede various Signaling MIB modules=20 > from > which it is partly derived: > - the PacketCable 1.0 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.0], > - the PacketCable 1.5 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.5], > - the ITU-T IPCablecom Signaling MIB requirements [ITU-T-J169], > - the ETSI Signaling MIB [ETSI-TS-101-909-9]. The ETSI Signaling > MIB requirements also refer to various signal characteristics > defined in [ETSI-TS-101-909-4], [ETSI-EN-300-001], > [ETSI-EN-300-659-1], [ETSI-EN-300-324-1] and [ETSI-TR-101-183]. >=20 > I know that many IPCDN WG members are all participating in=20 > PackagetCable, > so I assume that superseding (is that same as obsoleting in IETF > terms?) > PacketCable documents is fine. But how about ITU-T and ETSI? Are=20 > they > OK with the above statements? Good point, unless we formally receive a liaison statement about this, we should be more careful. Let's replace "intended to supersede" with "intended to update" which gives these 2 SDOs more room & control to do what they think is right. > - In section 4.1 I would use "MIB module" instead of "MIB" Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - The groups listed in section 4.1 are not the same as the groups > defined with the OBJECT-GROUP macros. Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - Sect 4.3 states: > pktcSigCompliances - this table has one object that has compliance > statements for devices that implement Signaling on the MTA. >=20 > pktcSigGroups - this table contains group of objects for the=20 > common > portion of the PacketCable NCS and Signaling MIB. >=20 > pktcInternationalGroup - this table extends this MIB Module by > establishing a set of objects designed to support operations over > the widest possible range of markets. >=20 > while none of these 3 are "tables" in MIB speak. Ok, s/table/object group - will be fixed. > - IN de MODULE-IDENTITY DESCRIPTION clause it states: >=20 > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2007). This version of > this MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for > full legal notices." >=20 > That should be the new IETF Trust Copyright statement: >=20 > Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2007). This version of this > MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for full > legal notices." Ok, will be fixed. > - pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable and the objects in that table have a prefix > of > pktcNcs.... Why not pktcSigNcs.... ??? > Just to better avoid any future name clashes in other MIB modules . I would be fine with this. =20 >=20 > - I see: > pktcSigDevEchoCancellation OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies if the device is capable of echo > cancellation." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 2 } >=20 > And so I assume that the value true(1) means that the device is > capable of echo cancellation. I think it would be clearer if that > were explicitly stated. >=20 > There are more of such objects of SYNTAX TruthValue that could > be clarified in a similar way. Will do. >=20 > - there are some strange control characters in the document. > Specifically in the section titles, for example: >=20 >=20 > 9. ^M IANA Considerations >=20 > - Security Considerations: >=20 > Even if the network itself is secure (for example by using IPSec), >=20 > pls change IPSec into IPsec which is the proper spelling and part of > the > latest security template. Will be fixed. >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > references issues (found by my own tool): >=20 > !! Missing citation for Informative reference: > P072 L048: [ITU-T-E.180] ITU-T E.180: "Various Tones Used in > National Networks, >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > IDnits tells me: >=20 > (See RFC 3967 for information about using normative references to > lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'ITU-T-J169' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-CODEC' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-MGCP' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-PROV' >=20 > probably OK, just listing it for completeness. Yes, this is ok. - S _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn From ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 20 19:23:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19WG-00083u-Mz; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:23:24 -0400 Received: from ipcdn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I19WF-00083o-Jp for ipcdn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:23:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19WF-00083g-A6 for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:23:23 -0400 Received: from mms2.broadcom.com ([216.31.210.18]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19WE-000417-IU for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:23:23 -0400 Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:06 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: A6C4E0AE-A7F0-449F-BAE7-7FA0D737AC76 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id D3AAF2AF; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB29D2AE; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FKB58296; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B7420501; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <9C5C578DD43AFD4EA7A9F0BDB2F4856404EC102D@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <9AAEDF491EF7CA48AB587781B8F5D7C62203BC@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> Thread-Topic: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Thread-Index: AceXo0SGlgELDT/wRH+lXOzJ+ajDuwPuK0mAAwz/gJAAADiiQA== References: <9AAEDF491EF7CA48AB587781B8F5D7C62203BC@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> From: "Eugene Nechamkin" To: "Sumanth Channabasappa" , "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , gordon.beacham@motorola.com, "Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments" , ipcdn@ietf.org X-WSS-ID: 6A6769503CG12809810-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: efc5d1db3729b4b7031f1bb5f5a30ae3 Cc: Jean-Francois Mule , "Richard Woundy @ Comcast" X-BeenThere: ipcdn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP over Cable Data Network List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org > According to the clarification provided=20 > by Satish Kumar and Phil Freyman,=20 > this is in milliseconds=20 I think it would reduce the potential confusion in the future if pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration object contained UNITS clause with milliseconds stated explicitly. I would suggest introducing the one for this object. Eugene. -----Original Message----- From: Sumanth Channabasappa [mailto:sumanth@cablelabs.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:11 PM To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); gordon.beacham@motorola.com; Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments; ipcdn@ietf.org Cc: Jean-Francois Mule; Richard Woundy @ Comcast Subject: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.t xt Bert, Comments inline. > Let me start to tell you that I am not a voice expert, so a lot of the > actual content of this MIB module is abacadabra for me. I am assuming=20 > that other IPCDN WG members have evaluated (or will > evaluate) the actual content w.r.t. the technical details and=20 > correctness. >=20 > Let me also say that I find this MIB module pretty wieldy, Thanks for the review and this opening comment. It is nice to hear and the credit goes to all the ipcdn participants & implementers who contributed to, and revised, the mib module over the years. > More or less serious issues/concerns: >=20 > - writable objects MUST specify (for example in their DESCRIPTION > clause) the expected persistence behavior. Good point. The following MIB Objects are writable: pktcSigDevCidSigProtocol, pktcSigDevR0Cadence, pktcSigDevR1Cadence, pktcSigDevR2Cadence, pktcSigDevR3Cadence, pktcSigDevR4Cadence, pktcSigDevR5Cadence, pktcSigDevR6Cadence, pktcSigDevR7Cadence, pktcSigDevRgCadence, pktcSigDefCallSigDscp, pktcSigDefMediaStreamDscp, pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency, pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel, pktcSigPulseSignalDuration, pktcSigPulseSignalPulseInterval, pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount, pktcSigDevCidMode, pktcSigDevCidAfterRing, pktcSigDevCidAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevCidAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevRingAfterCID, pktcSigDevCidDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiMode, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevRingCadence, pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevCidDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevCidDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevVmwiSigProtocol, pktcSigDevVmwiDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevrpAsDtsDuration. We did not intend to persist any of these MIB Objects. The DESCRIPTION clause will be updated to reflect this. > - I see various objects aka: > pktcSigDevR0Cadence OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcRingCadence > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies ring cadence 0 (a user defined > field). This object is required for the L line package." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 5 } >=20 > The fact that an object is required" is normally expressed in the > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. The above object (together with several others) > seems conditionaly optional, which means you would group all such > objects required for L line package in one OBJECT-GROUP and make > that OBJECT-GROUP conditionaly mandatory. Your proposal makes sense. I propose we add a new object-group and indicate it to be conditionally mandatory as you suggest. > - I wonder if the SYNTAX of SnmpAdminString makes sense for the > objects pktcSigCapabilityVersion and pktcSigCapabilityVendorExt. > It will work. But, SnmpAdminString is intended to contain human > readable (in any language/character set) strings. It seems that the > values that you allow are very restricted and certainly cannot > be in any other language/character-set. > I personally can live with it... but you might want to > think of just an OCTET-STRING that you define exactly what it can > contain. Can see your point; however, given the original intention to not be restrictive regarding the values and to restrict this to human readable strings only, we should probably let this be as-is.=20 > - I find this strange: > pktcSigPowerRingFrequency OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > f20Hz(1), > f25Hz(2), > f33Point33Hz(3), > f50Hz(4), > f15Hz(5), > f16Hz(6), > f22Hz(7), > f23Hz(8), > f45Hz(9) > } > UNITS "Hertz" >=20 > Because tha value of the object is certainly not in "Hertz" units. > A value of 1 doe not represent 1 UNIT of "Hertz", but it represents > 20 Hertz. and so on... I think I would remove the UNITS clause. Yes, good catch, UNITS clause will be removed. > Same for pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency Yes, UNITS clause will be removed. > - pktcSigPulseSignalTable DESCRIPTION clause speaks about the=20 > mandatory > nature of this table for E line package. This is MODULE-COMPLIANCE > stuff and should be expressed in the OBJECT-GROUP grouping and > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. >=20 > similar comment for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable I propose we add another new object-group and make it conditionally mandatory as you suggested earlier. > > - I see: > pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TenthdBm (-350..0) > UNITS "dBm" >=20 > I thought that the units were "1/10 of a dBm" ?? >=20 > same for pktcSigDevToneDbLevel Yes, will be updated. > - Given the DESCRIPTION clause for > pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32 > You might consider to make the syntax > SYNTAX Unsigned32 (1..50) Yes, will be updated. > - This DESCRIPTION clause has to be incorrect: >=20 > pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " Unique value ranging from 0 to 127 that will correspond=20 > to > the different ring cadences that are being supported by > the device." >=20 > After all, it is an "entry" or "row" definition and so it does not=20 > have a > value from 0-127. The INDEX object does. > The DESCRIPTION clause of the INDEX object seems to be describing=20 > what an > Entry is all about. Good catch. Will be corrected. > - What sort of duration (UNITS?) must I assume for: > pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5000) >=20 > same question for pktcSigDevToneFreqOffDuration, According to the clarification provided by Satish Kumar and Phil Freyman, this is in milliseconds > - Have seen a SYNTAX of > SYNTAX INTEGER { > fsk(1), > dtmf(2) > } > for the signaling protocol multiple times. > Candidate for a TEXTUAL-CONVENTION? Yes, a TC will be created. > - For pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO, what does a zero value mean? >=20 > similar question for the other pktcNcs....TO objects I think the DESCRIPTION needs some additional explanation. To better respond to your question, here is the response from Phil Freyman who articulates the reasoning... "Logically the TO objects will be longer than any tone or frequency duration that it applies to since it is really a time out max for "bad" signaling situations. Per other text the TO object takes priority over any duration or cadence settings so if the TO object is set to "0" seconds, then the related tone would not be played out (timed out). Regardless of any duration or cadence setting. We cannot state that the TO must be longer than the associated tone duration since some durations are continuous and therefore the value of a time out would be lost...." > - I find it strange to see pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus in the middle of=20 > the > table. But... it is not an error. OK, I suggest we leave it as-is at this point. > - For the read-create table, I wonder where the read-only objects > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType and=20 > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress > come from? How does the agent determine those addresses.? The DESCRIPTION needs to clarify this. To explain further, the agent determines the CMS FQDN from the MIB Object 'pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId'. It then uses DNS to resolve the IP address. This resolution can lead to multiple IP addresses and it picks one. It then populates 'pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress' with this IP address. > - For pktcNcsGroup the DESCRIPTION clause talks about this group being > mandatory for... That does NOT belong here. The fact if a group is > mandatory or not is specified in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. Yes, this will be fixed. > Admin/Naming questions: >=20 > - The title speaks about: >=20 > Network-Based Call Signaling (NCS) MIB for PacketCable and >=20 > while the MIB Module is named: PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB and pktcIetfSigMib > Not that that is a bug... but it feels somewhat strange. >=20 > Later in the document, at various places the "NCS MIB" term comes=20 > back, > and so people might expect to see IETF-NCS-MIB or ietfNcsMib as=20 > names? Let me check with the co-authors. I would leave it as-is, but I think we need to clean up the text accordingly. >=20 > - Section 4 states: >=20 > Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices. The IETF NCS MIB module (PKTC-IETF- > SIG-MIB) is intended to supersede various Signaling MIB modules=20 > from > which it is partly derived: > - the PacketCable 1.0 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.0], > - the PacketCable 1.5 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.5], > - the ITU-T IPCablecom Signaling MIB requirements [ITU-T-J169], > - the ETSI Signaling MIB [ETSI-TS-101-909-9]. The ETSI Signaling > MIB requirements also refer to various signal characteristics > defined in [ETSI-TS-101-909-4], [ETSI-EN-300-001], > [ETSI-EN-300-659-1], [ETSI-EN-300-324-1] and [ETSI-TR-101-183]. >=20 > I know that many IPCDN WG members are all participating in=20 > PackagetCable, > so I assume that superseding (is that same as obsoleting in IETF > terms?) > PacketCable documents is fine. But how about ITU-T and ETSI? Are=20 > they > OK with the above statements? Good point, unless we formally receive a liaison statement about this, we should be more careful. Let's replace "intended to supersede" with "intended to update" which gives these 2 SDOs more room & control to do what they think is right. > - In section 4.1 I would use "MIB module" instead of "MIB" Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - The groups listed in section 4.1 are not the same as the groups > defined with the OBJECT-GROUP macros. Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - Sect 4.3 states: > pktcSigCompliances - this table has one object that has compliance > statements for devices that implement Signaling on the MTA. >=20 > pktcSigGroups - this table contains group of objects for the=20 > common > portion of the PacketCable NCS and Signaling MIB. >=20 > pktcInternationalGroup - this table extends this MIB Module by > establishing a set of objects designed to support operations over > the widest possible range of markets. >=20 > while none of these 3 are "tables" in MIB speak. Ok, s/table/object group - will be fixed. > - IN de MODULE-IDENTITY DESCRIPTION clause it states: >=20 > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2007). This version of > this MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for > full legal notices." >=20 > That should be the new IETF Trust Copyright statement: >=20 > Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2007). This version of this > MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for full > legal notices." Ok, will be fixed. > - pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable and the objects in that table have a prefix > of > pktcNcs.... Why not pktcSigNcs.... ??? > Just to better avoid any future name clashes in other MIB modules . I would be fine with this. =20 >=20 > - I see: > pktcSigDevEchoCancellation OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies if the device is capable of echo > cancellation." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 2 } >=20 > And so I assume that the value true(1) means that the device is > capable of echo cancellation. I think it would be clearer if that > were explicitly stated. >=20 > There are more of such objects of SYNTAX TruthValue that could > be clarified in a similar way. Will do. >=20 > - there are some strange control characters in the document. > Specifically in the section titles, for example: >=20 >=20 > 9. ^M IANA Considerations >=20 > - Security Considerations: >=20 > Even if the network itself is secure (for example by using IPSec), >=20 > pls change IPSec into IPsec which is the proper spelling and part of > the > latest security template. Will be fixed. >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > references issues (found by my own tool): >=20 > !! Missing citation for Informative reference: > P072 L048: [ITU-T-E.180] ITU-T E.180: "Various Tones Used in > National Networks, >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > IDnits tells me: >=20 > (See RFC 3967 for information about using normative references to > lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'ITU-T-J169' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-CODEC' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-MGCP' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-PROV' >=20 > probably OK, just listing it for completeness. Yes, this is ok. - S _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn From ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 20 19:29:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19bw-00037h-Sp; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:29:16 -0400 Received: from ipcdn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I19bv-00037c-6L for ipcdn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:29:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19bu-00037U-T0 for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:29:14 -0400 Received: from ondar.cablelabs.com ([192.160.73.61]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I19bs-0004aw-4T for ipcdn@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:29:14 -0400 Received: from kyzyl.cablelabs.com (kyzyl.cablelabs.com [10.253.0.7]) by ondar.cablelabs.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5KNT5bH015063; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from srvxchg3.cablelabs.com (10.5.0.25) by kyzyl.cablelabs.com (F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:29:05 -0700 (MST) X-Virus-Status: clean(F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:29:02 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAEDF491EF7CA48AB587781B8F5D7C62203C6@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> In-Reply-To: <9C5C578DD43AFD4EA7A9F0BDB2F4856404EC102D@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.txt Thread-Index: AceXo0SGlgELDT/wRH+lXOzJ+ajDuwPuK0mAAwz/gJAAADiiQAAAeuoA References: <9AAEDF491EF7CA48AB587781B8F5D7C62203BC@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> <9C5C578DD43AFD4EA7A9F0BDB2F4856404EC102D@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> From: "Sumanth Channabasappa" To: "Eugene Nechamkin" , "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , , "Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments" , X-Approved: ondar X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ce306e4307a2c0b518ae453b13efdd0 Cc: Jean-Francois Mule , "Richard Woundy @ Comcast" X-BeenThere: ipcdn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP over Cable Data Network List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipcdn-bounces@ietf.org Eugene, Agree. That is the intent (based on Bert's comment). - S=20 -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Nechamkin [mailto:enechamkin@broadcom.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:23 PM To: Sumanth Channabasappa; Wijnen, Bert (Bert); gordon.beacham@motorola.com; Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments; ipcdn@ietf.org Cc: Jean-Francois Mule; Richard Woundy @ Comcast Subject: RE: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.t xt > According to the clarification provided by Satish Kumar and Phil=20 > Freyman, this is in milliseconds I think it would reduce the potential confusion in the future if pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration object contained UNITS clause with milliseconds stated explicitly. I would suggest introducing the one for this object. Eugene. -----Original Message----- From: Sumanth Channabasappa [mailto:sumanth@cablelabs.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:11 PM To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); gordon.beacham@motorola.com; Satish Kumar at Texas Instruments; ipcdn@ietf.org Cc: Jean-Francois Mule; Richard Woundy @ Comcast Subject: [ipcdn] RE: MIB Doctor review: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-signaling-13.t xt Bert, Comments inline. > Let me start to tell you that I am not a voice expert, so a lot of the > actual content of this MIB module is abacadabra for me. I am assuming=20 > that other IPCDN WG members have evaluated (or will > evaluate) the actual content w.r.t. the technical details and=20 > correctness. >=20 > Let me also say that I find this MIB module pretty wieldy, Thanks for the review and this opening comment. It is nice to hear and the credit goes to all the ipcdn participants & implementers who contributed to, and revised, the mib module over the years. > More or less serious issues/concerns: >=20 > - writable objects MUST specify (for example in their DESCRIPTION > clause) the expected persistence behavior. Good point. The following MIB Objects are writable: pktcSigDevCidSigProtocol, pktcSigDevR0Cadence, pktcSigDevR1Cadence, pktcSigDevR2Cadence, pktcSigDevR3Cadence, pktcSigDevR4Cadence, pktcSigDevR5Cadence, pktcSigDevR6Cadence, pktcSigDevR7Cadence, pktcSigDevRgCadence, pktcSigDefCallSigDscp, pktcSigDefMediaStreamDscp, pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency, pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel, pktcSigPulseSignalDuration, pktcSigPulseSignalPulseInterval, pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount, pktcSigDevCidMode, pktcSigDevCidAfterRing, pktcSigDevCidAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevCidAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevRingAfterCID, pktcSigDevCidDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiMode, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterDTAS, pktcSigDevVmwiAfterRPAS, pktcSigDevVmwiDTASAfterLR, pktcSigDevRingCadence, pktcSigDevCidDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevCidDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevCidDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevVmwiSigProtocol, pktcSigDevVmwiDelayAfterLR, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfStartCode, pktcSigDevVmwiDtmfEndCode, pktcSigDevrpAsDtsDuration. We did not intend to persist any of these MIB Objects. The DESCRIPTION clause will be updated to reflect this. > - I see various objects aka: > pktcSigDevR0Cadence OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcRingCadence > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies ring cadence 0 (a user defined > field). This object is required for the L line package." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 5 } >=20 > The fact that an object is required" is normally expressed in the > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. The above object (together with several others) > seems conditionaly optional, which means you would group all such > objects required for L line package in one OBJECT-GROUP and make > that OBJECT-GROUP conditionaly mandatory. Your proposal makes sense. I propose we add a new object-group and indicate it to be conditionally mandatory as you suggest. > - I wonder if the SYNTAX of SnmpAdminString makes sense for the > objects pktcSigCapabilityVersion and pktcSigCapabilityVendorExt. > It will work. But, SnmpAdminString is intended to contain human > readable (in any language/character set) strings. It seems that the > values that you allow are very restricted and certainly cannot > be in any other language/character-set. > I personally can live with it... but you might want to > think of just an OCTET-STRING that you define exactly what it can > contain. Can see your point; however, given the original intention to not be restrictive regarding the values and to restrict this to human readable strings only, we should probably let this be as-is.=20 > - I find this strange: > pktcSigPowerRingFrequency OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > f20Hz(1), > f25Hz(2), > f33Point33Hz(3), > f50Hz(4), > f15Hz(5), > f16Hz(6), > f22Hz(7), > f23Hz(8), > f45Hz(9) > } > UNITS "Hertz" >=20 > Because tha value of the object is certainly not in "Hertz" units. > A value of 1 doe not represent 1 UNIT of "Hertz", but it represents > 20 Hertz. and so on... I think I would remove the UNITS clause. Yes, good catch, UNITS clause will be removed. > Same for pktcSigPulseSignalFrequency Yes, UNITS clause will be removed. > - pktcSigPulseSignalTable DESCRIPTION clause speaks about the=20 > mandatory > nature of this table for E line package. This is MODULE-COMPLIANCE > stuff and should be expressed in the OBJECT-GROUP grouping and > MODULE-COMPLIANCE. >=20 > similar comment for pktcSigDevRingCadenceTable I propose we add another new object-group and make it conditionally mandatory as you suggested earlier. > > - I see: > pktcSigPulseSignalDbLevel OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TenthdBm (-350..0) > UNITS "dBm" >=20 > I thought that the units were "1/10 of a dBm" ?? >=20 > same for pktcSigDevToneDbLevel Yes, will be updated. > - Given the DESCRIPTION clause for > pktcSigPulseSignalRepeatCount OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32 > You might consider to make the syntax > SYNTAX Unsigned32 (1..50) Yes, will be updated. > - This DESCRIPTION clause has to be incorrect: >=20 > pktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX PktcSigDevRingCadenceEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " Unique value ranging from 0 to 127 that will correspond=20 > to > the different ring cadences that are being supported by > the device." >=20 > After all, it is an "entry" or "row" definition and so it does not=20 > have a > value from 0-127. The INDEX object does. > The DESCRIPTION clause of the INDEX object seems to be describing=20 > what an > Entry is all about. Good catch. Will be corrected. > - What sort of duration (UNITS?) must I assume for: > pktcSigDevToneFreqOnDuration OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5000) >=20 > same question for pktcSigDevToneFreqOffDuration, According to the clarification provided by Satish Kumar and Phil Freyman, this is in milliseconds > - Have seen a SYNTAX of > SYNTAX INTEGER { > fsk(1), > dtmf(2) > } > for the signaling protocol multiple times. > Candidate for a TEXTUAL-CONVENTION? Yes, a TC will be created. > - For pktcNcsEndPntConfigPartialDialTO, what does a zero value mean? >=20 > similar question for the other pktcNcs....TO objects I think the DESCRIPTION needs some additional explanation. To better respond to your question, here is the response from Phil Freyman who articulates the reasoning... "Logically the TO objects will be longer than any tone or frequency duration that it applies to since it is really a time out max for "bad" signaling situations. Per other text the TO object takes priority over any duration or cadence settings so if the TO object is set to "0" seconds, then the related tone would not be played out (timed out). Regardless of any duration or cadence setting. We cannot state that the TO must be longer than the associated tone duration since some durations are continuous and therefore the value of a time out would be lost...." > - I find it strange to see pktcNcsEndPntConfigStatus in the middle of=20 > the > table. But... it is not an error. OK, I suggest we leave it as-is at this point. > - For the read-create table, I wonder where the read-only objects > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddressType and=20 > pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress > come from? How does the agent determine those addresses.? The DESCRIPTION needs to clarify this. To explain further, the agent determines the CMS FQDN from the MIB Object 'pktcNcsEndPntConfigCallAgentId'. It then uses DNS to resolve the IP address. This resolution can lead to multiple IP addresses and it picks one. It then populates 'pktcNcsEndPntStatusCallIpAddress' with this IP address. > - For pktcNcsGroup the DESCRIPTION clause talks about this group being > mandatory for... That does NOT belong here. The fact if a group is > mandatory or not is specified in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. Yes, this will be fixed. > Admin/Naming questions: >=20 > - The title speaks about: >=20 > Network-Based Call Signaling (NCS) MIB for PacketCable and >=20 > while the MIB Module is named: PKTC-IETF-SIG-MIB and pktcIetfSigMib > Not that that is a bug... but it feels somewhat strange. >=20 > Later in the document, at various places the "NCS MIB" term comes=20 > back, > and so people might expect to see IETF-NCS-MIB or ietfNcsMib as=20 > names? Let me check with the co-authors. I would leave it as-is, but I think we need to clean up the text accordingly. >=20 > - Section 4 states: >=20 > Terminal Adapter (MTA) devices. The IETF NCS MIB module (PKTC-IETF- > SIG-MIB) is intended to supersede various Signaling MIB modules=20 > from > which it is partly derived: > - the PacketCable 1.0 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.0], > - the PacketCable 1.5 Signaling MIB Specification > [PKT-SP-MIB-SIG-1.5], > - the ITU-T IPCablecom Signaling MIB requirements [ITU-T-J169], > - the ETSI Signaling MIB [ETSI-TS-101-909-9]. The ETSI Signaling > MIB requirements also refer to various signal characteristics > defined in [ETSI-TS-101-909-4], [ETSI-EN-300-001], > [ETSI-EN-300-659-1], [ETSI-EN-300-324-1] and [ETSI-TR-101-183]. >=20 > I know that many IPCDN WG members are all participating in=20 > PackagetCable, > so I assume that superseding (is that same as obsoleting in IETF > terms?) > PacketCable documents is fine. But how about ITU-T and ETSI? Are=20 > they > OK with the above statements? Good point, unless we formally receive a liaison statement about this, we should be more careful. Let's replace "intended to supersede" with "intended to update" which gives these 2 SDOs more room & control to do what they think is right. > - In section 4.1 I would use "MIB module" instead of "MIB" Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - The groups listed in section 4.1 are not the same as the groups > defined with the OBJECT-GROUP macros. Ok, will be fixed. >=20 > - Sect 4.3 states: > pktcSigCompliances - this table has one object that has compliance > statements for devices that implement Signaling on the MTA. >=20 > pktcSigGroups - this table contains group of objects for the=20 > common > portion of the PacketCable NCS and Signaling MIB. >=20 > pktcInternationalGroup - this table extends this MIB Module by > establishing a set of objects designed to support operations over > the widest possible range of markets. >=20 > while none of these 3 are "tables" in MIB speak. Ok, s/table/object group - will be fixed. > - IN de MODULE-IDENTITY DESCRIPTION clause it states: >=20 > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2007). This version of > this MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for > full legal notices." >=20 > That should be the new IETF Trust Copyright statement: >=20 > Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2007). This version of this > MIB module is part of RFC yyyy; see the RFC itself for full > legal notices." Ok, will be fixed. > - pktcNcsEndPntConfigTable and the objects in that table have a prefix > of > pktcNcs.... Why not pktcSigNcs.... ??? > Just to better avoid any future name clashes in other MIB modules . I would be fine with this. =20 >=20 > - I see: > pktcSigDevEchoCancellation OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object specifies if the device is capable of echo > cancellation." > ::=3D { pktcSigDevObjects 2 } >=20 > And so I assume that the value true(1) means that the device is > capable of echo cancellation. I think it would be clearer if that > were explicitly stated. >=20 > There are more of such objects of SYNTAX TruthValue that could > be clarified in a similar way. Will do. >=20 > - there are some strange control characters in the document. > Specifically in the section titles, for example: >=20 >=20 > 9. ^M IANA Considerations >=20 > - Security Considerations: >=20 > Even if the network itself is secure (for example by using IPSec), >=20 > pls change IPSec into IPsec which is the proper spelling and part of > the > latest security template. Will be fixed. >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > references issues (found by my own tool): >=20 > !! Missing citation for Informative reference: > P072 L048: [ITU-T-E.180] ITU-T E.180: "Various Tones Used in > National Networks, >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 > IDnits tells me: >=20 > (See RFC 3967 for information about using normative references to > lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'ITU-T-J169' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-CODEC' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-MGCP' >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'PKT-SP-PROV' >=20 > probably OK, just listing it for completeness. Yes, this is ok. - S _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn _______________________________________________ IPCDN mailing list IPCDN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipcdn From ztloh@inteliport.com Wed Jun 20 22:17:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CEH-0003ZW-TS for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:17:01 -0400 Received: from [124.217.91.62] (helo=fuqnx) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CEF-0001UX-Bx for ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:17:01 -0400 Received: from cht ([102.187.166.66]) by fuqnx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:25:55 +0800 Message-ID: <001801c7b3ab$7f24b4c0$42a6bb66@cht> From: "Luke" To: Subject: fray Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:25:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7B3EE.8D39EB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 33cc095b503da4365ce57c727e553cf1 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7B3EE.8D39EB00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0015_01C7B3EE.8D3D6D70" ------=_NextPart_001_0015_01C7B3EE.8D3D6D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The statement said that residents of the targeted compound reported that = militants had been at the camp all day. 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People should work hard and be honest. = Iran says it=20 shows "Islamophobia" among British officials. "The Taleban don't ask for = permission=20 - they just tell us.
They said they were "delighted" when an = extradition=20 order was granted earlier this month.
The tale of a local school = administrator in the=20 town is typical of what is happening. MOHAMMAD SHARIF: There was a time = before the=20 Soviets invaded us Asad Khyl was so prosperous that we used to feed poor = people=20 coming to the village.
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Escobar User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipcdn-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: You can listen to the fun clip here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c SREA UP Another 36.36%. Read This Hit List! Score One Inc. (SREA) Close: $0.60 UP 36.36% In the last two days SREA has been on the watch list of OTCPicks.com, OTCStockExchange.com, and Boonmarket.com rocketing it over 200%. Need we say more? Get on SREA and ride the wave. I'm sure there were more stars involved, but I got there late and only caught the last inning. There are a number of good labs you can use and they can easily be found on Google. Do they have any side effects and are they bad for the eyes? I personally use non-stick on low heat for eggs and little else. "Stacy you're a star for picking that up at the store for me! I am a protein type and never use a microwave and always eat my lunch at work. Thanks for the lesson! There are a large number of energy medicine techniques that can clear nearly all food allergies but until you have that intervention stay clear as it is most likely harming your body. My friend, who was showing me around, and I ate at The French Crepe Company, which is a stand in the market offering both sweet and savory crepes. I brought in one of the world's top biochemists. If for some reason you do need to cook your food quickly I highly recommend our Turbo oven. Pasteurized milk should be avoided by asthmatics, even grass fed organic. my guess is Tara will have a long list of loyal readers. My friends know that a cell phone is not a reliable way to get in touch with me as I do NOT carry it on my body. In a whole different way than Kevin Nealon, though. Is that any different for a child with asthma? if you do it a few times a month, this is a non issue, but if it is a daily habit, I would advise cutting back or stopping. There were also tiki torches, a tiki hut bar, and a big porch with a stone fireplace and waterfall hot tub. I have been researching, but can only come up with "hard-anodized aluminum" but I know aluminum is not good. Next I want to emphasize that if your children are having cravings there is a good possibility that they are not eating foods that are right for their metabolic type. Oh and the wounds from her recent fall have healed nicely and just last week she was out with my mom at a club to hear a musician play! It's really getting good, although it does make me feel dirty like the title as if I was wrapped up in the whole Hollywood tabloid that it's about. Please can you share this information. 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HOME Southern Africa Mozambique Crime and Corruption Women and Gender Children and Youth U. com: Zimbabwe: Unicef Appeals to Raise U. Git around those bases! If I ever get around to ever processing any of my photos again, I'll post them sometime. "When a horse is trained to run fast, it has to hear a lot of noise behind. The trial phase is complete for cases involving individuals associated with the CDF and AFRC. Apart from forking over gobs of money, this also involves a bit of tussling with our HOA. Others draw inspiration from such religio-political movements like Dini ya Kibangu in Congo or Dini ya Msambwa and Legio Maria in Kenya. So, I'm trying to be responsible. " the headline asked. Going by the charter on the African Child, the various governments are obligated to pursue programmes, policies and projects that would enhance the status of the African Child. Also trafficked into Uganda are Somali children who are brought in as refugees. Industry operators, apart from outright abduction, lure their victims with the promise of jobs, travel and even marriage. They have trafficking chains right from villages with transit points such as Nyendo and Busia towns to the final destinations. Book purge - yes, yes, I know I've been talking about this for years. The recent flare-up of lawlessness and violence involving the shadowy Mungiki youth movement in Kenya has thrust into the international spotlight the fragility of Africa's emerging democracies. And the remaining carcasses, although that should be going down. The study was carried out in five districts of Masaka, Kampala, Pader, Busia and Kalangala. Thousands of girls were also recruited as soldiers and often subjected to sexual exploitation. Kale Kayihura, the Police are investigating two local orphanages that have been involved in child trafficking. That's odd, Rahmani thought. I talked to my doctor and she thinks it's nothing more than 'overuse. The work to install such free phone lines is at an advanced stage. So, I'm trying to be responsible. The problem of trafficking was also highlighted Jun. HOME Southern Africa Mozambique Crime and Corruption Women and Gender Children and Youth U. "It should, however, be noted that the large proportion of children being Baganda was mainly due to the fact that three districts were from Buganda," it states. We grilled some chicken and it wasn't too dry. com Enter your search terms Submit search form Zimbabwe: Unicef Appeals to Raise U. "It also acts as a convenient transit point and gateway to the Middle East and other countries," the ILO report states. Those boys have some hot bats! According to the Inspector General of Police, Maj. Currently there is no specific law on trafficking. The study established that there was little effort by the local leaders to address the problem. I think I'll have a soak and then crawl into bed. It said it was working with government and the Clinton Foundation to scale up care and treatment of people living with HIV with particular emphasis on children. Git around those bases! "What has been happening is that the victims go from the police station to hospital, but they don't go back to the police", explained Mabunda. This is serious business. "At the moment, key projects in health, education, nutrition and child protection are on hold due to the shortage of funds. According to the Inspector General of Police, Maj. I think I'll have a soak and then crawl into bed. How often do I do that? Vacation - we're trying to figure out where we want to go this year to get a few days away. We, therefore, implore those countries that had in the past served as safe haven for stolen funds from Africa and those of them that are still currently husbanding these funds to stop the practice. " So, I do come by it naturally. The UN agency noted that Uganda is a source, transit and destination for child trafficking. And I can remember watching her in front of the television hollering at the boys: "Git! Some are recruited as drug dealers and smugglers, while others are abandoned at destination points. com Enter your search terms Submit search form Zimbabwe: Unicef Appeals to Raise U. The recent flare-up of lawlessness and violence involving the shadowy Mungiki youth movement in Kenya has thrust into the international spotlight the fragility of Africa's emerging democracies. And, besides, we've had some gorgeous weather lately. The reasons for the blame are simple and many. Kivuitu termed as disappointing the response from Western, Nairobi and Coast provinces. 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(SREA) $0.42 UP 40% SREA continues another huge climb this week after hot news was released Friday. BusinessNewsNow.us has released SREA as featured StockWatch. This one is still cooking. Go read the news and get on SREA Tuesday! Coulter gets taken out of context and her joking statements are turned into serious statements that the liberati use to whip her with. "American doctors are used to seeing TB in older people, who acquired it when Franklin Roosevelt was president," said Adair, a clinical professor of internal medicine at the University of Minnesota. It actually catches flies. In both cases, despite the noise of fools, he has pressed forward. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. Adults who were married or had more than a high school education were less likely to use street drugs than others. org, the source of this graph. "This review is particularly urgent with regard to aspartame-containing beverages, heavily consumed by children. Elizabeth Cohen is a CNN Medical News correspondent. Earlier this month, a federal appeals court invalidated a Federal Communications Commission prohibition against accidentally broadcast profanities. "Not everyone is trained in these particular diseases in these particular populations," said Franco, assistant professor of medicine at Emory University School of Medicine. Carlos Franco, the doctor who made the diagnosis, says this isn't the first time he's caught a disease other doctors have missed. The median number of lifetime female sexual partners for men was seven; the median number of male partners for women was four. Here is a graph suggesting the likely contributions from various non-conventional sources to the lowering fossil fuel pollution. The same people who pushed Romney are now pushing as hard as they can for Thompson, who is slightly more presentable. "Some refugees are tortured, some experience trauma," he said. " shouted the seventh man. OptiSolar's farm could at most supply . ' What's new is that we know it's killing people. "We didn't get anything at all. It is associated with sometimes-horrific skin infections, but it also causes blood infections, pneumonia and other illnesses. Further, its production and use contribute to air, water and soil pollution and global warming," Pimentel says. Untreated hepatitis B can lead to cirrhosis of the liver and liver cancer. Most said they have checked their children's e-mail, profiles on social networking sites like MySpace, and the Web sites they visit. But addictive or not, too much time spent playing video games takes away from other important activities. The same thing with the Iberian Peninsula and with Ireland and England. Experts: Video games not an addiction - CNN. That will make us strong, they believe. 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