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expe__rienced o*v+e-r a 10_00% in_crea.se in = reven'u es=20 f o'r t+h-e fi*scal 3-r.d qu_arter end+ing J'u-l+y*,

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tra*ck to e'xceed t.h-i,s ye+ar=92s thi rd = quar*ter resu=20 lts.

O N-C-O addi-tio+nally pla*ns to inc-r*ease = servic*e=20 offerin+g*s w.hich a.r,e curr*e'ntly unde*-rway.

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Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst (ipdvb WG Chair) From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 04:01:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaoJY-00054O-TV for ipdvb-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:01:40 -0400 Received: from [2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b] (helo=erg.abdn.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaoJY-0005us-Dy for ipdvb-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:01:40 -0400 Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8R7X9eO012851 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:33:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id l8R7X9AI012850 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:33:09 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from Gorry-Fairhursts-Silver.local (fgrpf.plus.com [212.159.18.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8R7WiIu012833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:32:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46FB5C9D.6060900@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:32:45 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: School of Engineering, University of Aberdeen, Scotalnd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: Reminder: WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments: draft-ietf-ipdvb-ule-ext-04.txt References: <46F15056.90004@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <46F8D6C4.8020803@iit.demokritos.gr> In-Reply-To: <46F8D6C4.8020803@iit.demokritos.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No, No Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Georgios, the current size of field/resolution was focussed on the discussion of using a TS for link management/monitoring (detecting packet loss, jitter, reordering) - not as a replacement for the PCR/NCR within a MPEG-2 network. I'd like to better understand what you are thinking. If I recall, the previous thread was centred on using stream time stamps as a future method to support L2 timing services equivalent to PCR and NCR, and perhaps other uses (I guess inserting these is an implementation detail !). Is this what you had in mind? This could be the right document to define these if we could live with both having the same extension type value... For instance, the extension header mechanism COULD define TWO time formats for the time-stamp value with different HLEN (e.g. HLEN=3, which would indicate an Optional Extension Header of length 6B, Type + 4B timestamp?). Is this something like what you had in mind? Please do reply to the list. Gorry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Reminder: WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments: draft-ietf-ipdvb-ule-ext-04.txt Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:37:08 +0300 From: Georgios Gardikis Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk References: <46F15056.90004@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Dear Gorry, all, I think that the candidate RFC is a well-written and clear document, and the extensions proposed are quite useful. My only concern, which I had already expressed, is that the timestamp resolution (1 msec) might be inadequate, especially when current MPEG-2-based timing mechanisms (NCR/PCR) go down to a few nsecs. Anyway, my vote is positive. Regards G. 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However, even for=20 this purpose, if we consider a 10-12Mbps service (rational value for=20 H.264 Hi-Def streams), we could end up with almost 1000 SNDUs/sec. This=20 could result in consecutive SNDUs having the same timestamp. Moreover, I was thinking that our timestamp should have adequate=20 precision, so that in the future it could replace NCR/PCR, even in cases=20 where extreme timing accuracy is needed (e.g. in the case of DVB-RCS=20 synchronisation) I think it's not a big overhead to reserve some extra bytes for=20 increased resolution. Of course, I agree that this "extra resolution"=20 should be optional. However, the use of two different extension type values makes thinks=20 more complicated, and I believe that simplicity is a key point for the=20 industrial adoption of the RFC. To summarise, I think that the solution that you propose (two time=20 formats, declared by two different HLEN values) is the best. Best regards =20 Dr. Georgios Gardikis Associate Researcher NCSR "Demokritos", Institute of Informatics and Telecommunications Athens 153 10, Greece Tel: +30 210 6503108 Fax: +30 210 6532175 O/H Gorry Fairhurst =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > Georgios, the current size of field/resolution was focussed on the=20 > discussion of using a TS for link management/monitoring (detecting=20 > packet loss, jitter, reordering) - not as a replacement for the=20 > PCR/NCR within a MPEG-2 network. > > I'd like to better understand what you are thinking. If I recall, the=20 > previous thread was centred on using stream time stamps as a future=20 > method to support L2 timing services equivalent to PCR and NCR, and=20 > perhaps other uses (I guess inserting these is an implementation=20 > detail !). Is this what you had in mind? > > This could be the right document to define these if we could live with=20 > both having the same extension type value... For instance, the=20 > extension header mechanism COULD define TWO time formats for the=20 > time-stamp value with different HLEN (e.g. HLEN=3D3, which would=20 > indicate an Optional Extension Header of length 6B, Type + 4B=20 > timestamp?). Is this something like what you had in mind? > > Please do reply to the list. > > Gorry > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Reminder: WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments:=20 > draft-ietf-ipdvb-ule-ext-04.txt > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:37:08 +0300 > From: Georgios Gardikis > Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > References: <46F15056.90004@erg.abdn.ac.uk> > > Dear Gorry, all, > > I think that the candidate RFC is a well-written and clear document, an= d > the extensions proposed are quite useful. > My only concern, which I had already expressed, is that the timestamp > resolution (1 msec) might be inadequate, especially when current > MPEG-2-based timing mechanisms (NCR/PCR) go down to a few nsecs. > > Anyway, my vote is positive. > > Regards > > G. 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