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Dear all,

A new version of the protocol draft is posted. Editorial changes, from 
various people, were integrated.

The best way to check for editorial changes is:  
http://ietf.levkowetz.com/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht

1. Length
           Total length of the IPFIX Message, measured in octets,
           including Message Header and Set(s).

2. Padding now contains:
          If padding of the IPFIX Message is desired in combination with 
very short
          Records, then the padding Information Element 'paddingOctets'
          [IPFIX-INFO] can be used for padding Records such that their
          length is increased to a multiple of 4 or 8 octets.

3. Figure Q: Data Set, containing Data Records is now improved.

4. Text improved

   If reduced sizing is used, it MUST only be applied to the following
   integer types: unsigned64, signed64, unsigned32, signed32,
   unsigned16, signed16.  The same signed versus unsigned property MUST
   be preserved.  The reduction in size can be to any number of octets
   smaller than the original type if the data value still fits, i.e. so
   that only leading zeroes are dropped. For example, an unsigned64 can
   be reduced in size to 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, or 1 octet(s).

   The reduced size encoding MUST NOT be applied to
   dateTimeMicroSeconds or to dateTimeNanoSeconds because these
   represent an inherent structure that would be destroyed by using
   less than the original number of bytes

5. The second sentence in this paragraph has been added.

   The Collector MUST accept padding in Data Records and Template
   Records.  The padding size is the Set Length minus the size of the
   Set Header (4 octets for the Set ID and the Set Length), modulo the
   Record size deduced from the Template Record.

6. The optional padding at the end of the Set has been left unchanged.

Regards, Benoit.


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From: Juergen Quittek <quittek@netlab.nec.de>
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Dear all,

Please find a new version of the IPFIX info model at
<ftp://ftp.netlab.nec.de/pub/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt>.

It has been submitted to the I-D repository and will hopefully be posted soon.

The list of changes is rather short and changes are mainly editorial:

  - renamed packetLengthIPv4 to totalLengthIPv4

  - renamed ipv6OptionHeaders to ipv6ExtensionHeaders

  - explained the gap 204-206

  - changed descriptions of not multicast-related 'post' IEs from
      The definition of this Information Element is identical to the
      definition of Information Element 'XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX', except for
      the special semantics of the 'post' prefix that is described in
      the third bullet item of section 2.3 and the fourth paragraph of
      section 5.
    to
      The definition of this Information Element is identical to the	
      definition of Information Element 'XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX', except	
      that it reports a potentially modified value caused by a middlebox	
      function after the packet passed the observation point.	

  - changed descriptions of all multicast-related 'post' IEs similarly
    to this one from
      The number of octets since the previous report (if any) in
      outgoing multicast packets sent for packets of this Flow by a
      multicast daemon within the Observation Domain.  This property	 	
      cannot necessarily be observed at the Observation Point, but	 	
      retrieved by other means.  See also the 3rd bullet item of section	
      2.3 and the fourth paragraph of section 5.  The number of octets	 	
      include IP header(s) and IP payload.
    to
      The number of octets since the previous report (if any) in	
      outgoing multicast packets sent for packets of this Flow by a	
      multicast daemon within the Observation Domain.  This property	
      cannot necessarily be observed at the Observation Point, but may
      be retrieved by other means.  The number of octets include IP	
      header(s) and IP payload.	

  - changed data type of ipv4Options from unsigned64 to unsigned32

  - clarified description of ipv4Options and added a figure

  - shortened text on padding in section 5.11


Please find detailed differences between version -10 and version -11
at <ftp://ftp.netlab.nec.de/pub/internet-drafts/diff-10-11.html>.

Thanks,

    Juergen
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Dear all,

Juergen just posted a new version of the IPFIX-INFO. However, a small 
editorial change has been agreed upon with Juergen by phone. This email 
is for tracking purposes. IMHO, as this change is minor, the current 
IPFIX-INFO version is fine for the IESG review, but Dave and Nevil are 
the ones to decide.

The headerLengthIPv4 I.E. will be changed to

5.3.29  IPv4InternetHeaderLength

    Description:
        The length of the IPv4 header, as reported in the Internet
    Header Length (IHL) as specified in RFC 791
    Abstract Data Type: octet
    ElementId: 207
    Status: current
    Units: 4 octets
    Reference:
        See RFC 791 for the specification of the IPv4 header.

Note that:
- the units are now 4 octets, as in the IHL.
- the ElementId is unchanged.
- if headerLengthIPv4 is needed with an unit of octets, we might define a new I.E.

Regards, Benoit.




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Dear all,<br>
<br>
Juergen just posted a new version of the IPFIX-INFO. However, a small
editorial change has been agreed upon with Juergen by phone. This email
is for tracking purposes. IMHO, as this change is minor, the current
IPFIX-INFO version is fine for the IESG review, but Dave and Nevil are
the ones to decide.<br>
<br>
The headerLengthIPv4 I.E. will be changed to<br>
<pre>5.3.29  IPv4InternetHeaderLength</pre>
<blockquote>Description: <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The length of the IPv4 header, as reported in the Internet Header
Length (IHL) as specified in RFC 791<br>
Abstract Data Type: octet <br>
ElementId: 207<br>
Status: current<br>
Units: 4 octets <br>
Reference:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; See RFC 791 for the specification of the IPv4 header.<br>
</blockquote>
<pre>
Note that:
- the units are now 4 octets, as in the IHL.
- the ElementId is unchanged.
- if headerLengthIPv4 is needed with an unit of octets, we might define a new I.E.

Regards, Benoit.


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Dear all,

It is fine having an IE with unit "4 octets" using IE idenitfier #207.

Still, it is potentially confusing and a potential source of errors that
all our length indicators use "octet" except this one.

We anyway have a gap of 3 unused IE idenitfiers just before #207:

>    | 160 | systemInitTimeMilliSeconds| 201 | mplsLabelStackSize        |
>    | 161 | flowDurationMilliSeconds  | 202 | mplsLabelStackDepth       |
>    | 162 | flowDurationMicroSeconds  | 203 | mplsTopLabelExp           |
>    | 163 | observedFlowTotalCount    | 204 |                           |
>    | 164 | ignoredPacketTotalCount   | 205 |                           |
>    | 165 | ignoredOctetTotalCount    | 206 |                           |
>    | 166 | notSentFlowTotalCount     | 207 | headerLengthIPv4          |
>    | 167 | notSentPacketTotalCount   | 208 | ipv4Options               |
>    | 168 | notSentOctetTotalCount    | 209 | tcpOptions                |
>    |     |                           | 210 | paddingOctets             |

So what about changing the IE identifier of the already specified IE
headerLengthIPv4 from #207 to #206 and using #207 for the IE as
specified by Benoit:

>    | 160 | systemInitTimeMilliSeconds| 201 | mplsLabelStackSize        |
>    | 161 | flowDurationMilliSeconds  | 202 | mplsLabelStackDepth       |
>    | 162 | flowDurationMicroSeconds  | 203 | mplsTopLabelExp           |
>    | 163 | observedFlowTotalCount    | 204 |                           |
>    | 164 | ignoredPacketTotalCount   | 205 |                           |
>    | 165 | ignoredOctetTotalCount    | 206 | headerLengthIPv4          |
>    | 166 | notSentFlowTotalCount     | 207 | ipv4InternetHeaderLength  |
>    | 167 | notSentPacketTotalCount   | 208 | ipv4Options               |
>    | 168 | notSentOctetTotalCount    | 209 | tcpOptions                |
>    |     |                           | 210 | paddingOctets             |

This would reduce our gap in IE numbering and it would offer implementers both
choices, the common unit "octet" and the special one "4 octets" that matches
the second nibble of the IPv4 header.

Thanks,

    Juergen
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--On 9/13/2005 5:53 PM +0200 Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Juergen just posted a new version of the IPFIX-INFO.
> However, a small editorial change has been agreed upon with Juergen by phone.
> This email is for tracking purposes. IMHO, as this change is minor,
> the current IPFIX-INFO version is fine for the IESG
> review, but Dave and Nevil are the ones to decide.
>
> The headerLengthIPv4 I.E. will be changed to
>
> 5.3.29  IPv4InternetHeaderLength
>
> Description:
>     The length of the IPv4 header, as reported in the Internet Header Length (IHL) as specified in RFC 791
> Abstract Data Type: octet
> ElementId: 207
> Status: current
> Units: 4 octets
> Reference:
>     See RFC 791 for the specification of the IPv4 header.
>
>
>
> Note that:
> - the units are now 4 octets, as in the IHL.
> - the ElementId is unchanged.
> - if headerLengthIPv4 is needed with an unit of octets, we might define a new I.E.
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
>



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Dear all,

I'd like to change the description of the FlowID I.E. (148)

old:
   An identifier of a Flow that is locally unique to an Exporting
   Process.  Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting
   the scope of other Information Elements.

new:
   An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
   domain and its scope.
   Typically, this Information Element is used to differ
   different flows when the flow details are irrelevant or
   the flow details are exported in a different template.

One motivation for the IE was our per-packet-export draft,
which we have extended since that time.

Best regards,
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Lutz,

As far as I understand you want to change the scope if the flowID
from "per Exporting Process" to "per Observation Domain".
Thus an Exporting Process reporting on more than one observation
domain could re-use a flowID value in different Observation Domains.
Correct?

Thanks,

    Juergen

--On 9/15/2005 2:36 PM +0200 Lutz Mark wrote:

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>
> Dear all,
>
> I'd like to change the description of the FlowID I.E. (148)
>
> old:
>    An identifier of a Flow that is locally unique to an Exporting
>    Process.  Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting
>    the scope of other Information Elements.
>
> new:
>    An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
>    domain and its scope.
>    Typically, this Information Element is used to differ
>    different flows when the flow details are irrelevant or
>    the flow details are exported in a different template.
>
> One motivation for the IE was our per-packet-export draft,
> which we have extended since that time.
>
> Best regards,
> Lutz
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J=C3=BCrgen, Lutz,

I guess the wording is a bit missleading. An Observation Domain can be a
scope, so maybe it should read

    An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
    domain. This Information Element differs different flows when
    the flow details like IP Address, Protocol or Port are not of
    intrest or these flow details are exported in a different
    template.

I hope this is clearer and still matches your suggestion Lutz.

Regards,

Thomas

On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:58 +0200, Juergen Quittek wrote:
> Lutz,
>=20
> As far as I understand you want to change the scope if the flowID
> from "per Exporting Process" to "per Observation Domain".
> Thus an Exporting Process reporting on more than one observation
> domain could re-use a flowID value in different Observation Domains.
> Correct?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
>     Juergen
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> --On 9/15/2005 2:36 PM +0200 Lutz Mark wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'd like to change the description of the FlowID I.E. (148)
> >
> > old:
> >    An identifier of a Flow that is locally unique to an Exporting
> >    Process.  Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting
> >    the scope of other Information Elements.
> >
> > new:
> >    An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
> >    domain and its scope.
> >    Typically, this Information Element is used to differ
> >    different flows when the flow details are irrelevant or
> >    the flow details are exported in a different template.
> >
> > One motivation for the IE was our per-packet-export draft,
> > which we have extended since that time.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Lutz
> >
> >
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Hi Thomas and Juergen,

> I guess the wording is a bit missleading. An Observation Domain can be a
> scope, so maybe it should read
> 
>     An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
>     domain. This Information Element differs different flows when
>     the flow details like IP Address, Protocol or Port are not of
>     intrest or these flow details are exported in a different
>     template.
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> I hope this is clearer and still matches your suggestion Lutz.

thank you this sounds better. In addition i wondered if it makes
sense to make the flowid unique only within its scope. If the scope
for example ist the template. This allows the use of 2^32 FlowIDs
per template.

In my understanding the default scope of each exported IPFIX-data
is the observation domain. One can further limit the scope via
option records.

Best Regards,
Lutz


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Lutz,

Whatever the definition is, I'm wondering what happens when you 
eventually run out of FlowIDs?

ie, how can a FlowID be removed from an old flow and be allocated to a 
new flow?

Do FlowIDs have a certain lifetime inside which they cannot be reused? 
Or is there a clue that the FlowID is no longer in use or no longer 
valid? Or can we send a clue, ie a FlowID withdrawal message?

Or perhaps information sent using scope = FlowID only applies to the 
most recently exported flow which contained that FlowID. But what if the 
exported flow was lost in transit (UDP) or is sent *after* the scoped 
info (different SCTP channel)?

Cheers.
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Hi Paul,

I think at this time we only need the definion.

> Whatever the definition is, I'm wondering what happens when you 
> eventually run out of FlowIDs?
> 
> ie, how can a FlowID be removed from an old flow and be allocated to a 
> new flow?
> 
> Do FlowIDs have a certain lifetime inside which they cannot be reused? 
> Or is there a clue that the FlowID is no longer in use or no longer 
> valid? Or can we send a clue, ie a FlowID withdrawal message?
> 
> Or perhaps information sent using scope = FlowID only applies to the 
> most recently exported flow which contained that FlowID. But what if the 
> exported flow was lost in transit (UDP) or is sent *after* the scoped 
> info (different SCTP channel)?

good points. In our per-packet-export draft we suggested to
handle the flowID management similar to the IPFIX template
management. Maybe we can pick up this issue in the
ipfix implementation guidelines?

Best regards,
Lutz


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Lutz,

> I think at this time we only need the definion.

Perhaps so - but even when we're defining the object, we must have some
idea how it will be used.


> In our per-packet-export draft we suggested to handle the flowID 
> management similar to the IPFIX template management.

Well, firstly you're probably going to need a lot less template ID's
than flow ID's (unless you export unique templates for each flow!).

That's reflected in the fact the the template IDs are 16 bit numbers,
while the flow IDs are 32 bits.

Secondly, exhaustion of the available template IDs was envisaged some
time ago, so now we have the template withdrawal message which allows
template IDs to be reused. But there's no such mechanism for flow IDs.

Just to put the issue in perspective: if you're allocating an ID to each
flow, then at just 1000 flows/sec, 2^32 IDs will be consumed in 49.7
days. Or, any more than 136 flows/sec means you'll consume your 2^32 IDs
in one year.


> Maybe we can pick up this issue in the ipfix implementation 
> guidelines?

Rather, if there's to be a similar mechanism for re-using flow IDs (or
IDs in general) then it needs to be written in to the protocol draft. It
cannot be left for each individual implimentor to decide on their own
scheme.

Cheers.
-- 
Paul Aitken
Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.

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Paul, Lutz,

>
>> Maybe we can pick up this issue in the ipfix implementation guidelines?
>
>
> Rather, if there's to be a similar mechanism for re-using flow IDs (or
> IDs in general) then it needs to be written in to the protocol draft. It
> cannot be left for each individual implimentor to decide on their own
> scheme.
>
I would rather propose to describe the mechanism in the
per-packet-export draft. It is there, that we have used the Flow IDs
first. No mention of FlowIDs appears in the protocol draft...

cheers,
Elisa

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Just a couple of phrasing suggestions/corrections... provided this
change is to find its way into some draft.

-Robert

>> I guess the wording is a bit missleading. An Observation Domain can be a
>> scope, so maybe it should read
>>
>>     An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
>>     domain. This Information Element differs different flows when
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
distinguishes between different
(is used to distinguish between different)

-OR-

differentiates separate, distinct
(is used to differentiate separate, distinct)

>>     the flow details like IP Address, Protocol or Port are not of
>>     intrest or these flow details are exported in a different
        ^^^^^^^
interest,

>>     template.


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Hi

I need a quick clarification regarding IPFIX terminology.

If the observation point is defined to be an interface such as

int Gig 1/1.

Does the metering process capture ingress packets, egress packets or 
both?

Or is the traffic direction explicitly specified.

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If you look at the Cisco implementation, user can configure the NetFlow
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In the older versions of Cisco CLIs user can only configure NetFlow in
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But I don't know what difference will it make (capturing at ingress from
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gtcubed,

> I need a quick clarification regarding IPFIX terminology.
> 
> If the observation point is defined to be an interface such as
> 
> int Gig 1/1.
> 
> Does the metering process capture ingress packets, egress packets or both?
> 
> Or is the traffic direction explicitly specified.

A bidirectional interface is a rather vague observation "point". Apart 
from the direction issue, there's no indication whether the OP is before 
or after any processing - though one might assume an OP to be on the 
input traffic before processing.

Break your interface (conceptually!) into input and output sides, so a 
simple device can be modelled as:

	       X               Y
	input ---> processing ---> output

So the observation point can be at X on the input side or at Y on the 
output side (or both, or neither).

The OP might even be in the midst of processing eg, reporting some 
internal processing statistics.

Cheers.
-- 
Paul Aitken
Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.

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Ganesh,

> But I don't know what difference will it make (capturing at ingress from
> capturing at egress). 

With an egress observation point, you see the field values after they've 
been modified by the various features such as ToS remarking and NAT.

-- 
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Thanks Paul,

This clarifies it for me.


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gtcubed,=A0
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> I need a quick clarification regarding IPFIX terminology.=A0
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> > Or is the traffic direction explicitly specified.=A0
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before or after any processing - though one might assume an OP to be on=20
the input traffic before processing.=A0
=A0
Break your interface (conceptually!) into input and output sides, so a=20
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=A0
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So the observation point can be at X on the input side or at Y on the=20
output side (or both, or neither).=A0
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The OP might even be in the midst of processing eg, reporting some=20
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Cheers.=A0
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Dear Lutz and all,

I would like to come to a conclusion.
Here is what I currently have.  I am not sure whether or not
this description reflects the outcome of our discussion well.

5.1.7.  flowId

   Description:
      An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an Observation
      Domain.  This Information Element can be used to distinguish
      between different Flows if Flow Keys such as IP addresses and
      port numbers are not reported or reported in separate records.
   Abstract Data Type: unsigned32
   Data Type Semantics: identifier
   ElementId: 148
   Status: current


Please have a look at it and comment.

Thanks,

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> Just a couple of phrasing suggestions/corrections... provided this
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> -Robert
>
>>> I guess the wording is a bit missleading. An Observation Domain can be a
>>> scope, so maybe it should read
>>>
>>>     An identifier of a Flow that is unique within an observation
>>>     domain. This Information Element differs different flows when
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> distinguishes between different
> (is used to distinguish between different)
>
> -OR-
>
> differentiates separate, distinct
> (is used to differentiate separate, distinct)
>
>>>     the flow details like IP Address, Protocol or Port are not of
>>>     intrest or these flow details are exported in a different
>         ^^^^^^^
> interest,
>
>>>     template.
>
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In BOF and small group discussions at FloCon this week, several current
developers of flow meters/exporters had concerns with the usefulness of
IPFIX for their data.  Developers of analysis/aggregation/reporting
tools also had similar concerns about their ability to write generic
processing tools.  While several concerns were raised, this one seemed
to be the greatest problem for both adoption and functionality.


As a short summary: The current information model approach only provides
information elements in the templates which combine *both* data type
(i.e. section 3 of info draft) and specific semantics.  And there is no
current mechanism to provide the data type for a given information
element (e.g. a vendor specific one).  Allowing this information to be
provided either in the data-stream via templates/records or via some
automatable external lookup (e.g. XDS).  The current situation makes
writing lots of analysis tools difficult.


Personal, real life example of the pain:

For caida network telescope data about DoS backscatter, one natural
representation of the data would be in flows which contain 3 IP
addresses as part of the key.  We call these 3 addresses: Attack IP,
Target IP and Responding IP.  None of these 3 addresses have semantic
meaning which natural maps to IPFIX's sourceIPv4Address or
sourceIPv4Address.  However all five have the same data type,
ipv4Address.

So the current procedure for me to provide this data in an IPFIX format
would be to create 3 new IE (information elements) identifiers within my
enterpriseID space.  At first glance, this seems like there is
extensibility supported in the protocol for me to do what I want.
However, I will not be able to use any existing analysis tools on this
data, since they will not recognize these IEs.  As a specific example, I
would be unable to use nafscii to convert my records to a text format
without either adding code to nafscii or explicitly adding my IEs to
nafscii config files in a tool-specific manner.  But nafscii (and a
large set of other tools) doesn't need to know the semantics of these
fields to display them.  Many tools only need to know the field's data
type to work on them.  However, the IPFIX working group hasn't provided
any mechanism for people to provide the data type of an IE in a
standardized automatable way.

Having to do some sort of tool-specific configuration (or code
modification) on every tool just to tell it that X is an ipv4Address and
Y is a totalCounter in an unsigned64 is a huge amount of work for users
and developers of vendor specific IEs.

Two possible approaches to get around this would be to have some
mechanism for including the data type infomation in the stream, perhaps
via some sort of record which allows mapping <enterpriseID,IE> pairs to
data type information, or to have some external mechanism for tools to
be able to obtain the information about IEs for a given enterpriseID.
One potential advantage of the external approach is that there would
then be plenty of space to include all of the additional information
that one would want, such as the name, description, references, etc.
However, including the information inline, allows more rapid
processessing of the data, and allows the flow stream (or file) to be
partially self-documenting (the point of templates in general).

Solving this problem seems very appropriate for the ipfix wg.

-- david


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> As a short summary: The current information model approach only provides
> information elements in the templates which combine *both* data type
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This is also an idea that popped into my head. In SNMP one knows what
type a certain field is, we could also define this for IPFIX records. Eg
 IPv4Address, IPv6Address, Counter, Gauge, etc, just look at SNMP.
Basically this will turn IPFIX into a push-model SNMP which has it's own
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Quoting David Moore <dmoore@caida.org>:

> Two possible approaches to get around this would be to have some
> mechanism for including the data type infomation in the stream, perhaps
> via some sort of record which allows mapping <enterpriseID,IE> pairs to
> data type information, or to have some external mechanism for tools to
> be able to obtain the information about IEs for a given enterpriseID.
> One potential advantage of the external approach is that there would
> then be plenty of space to include all of the additional information
> that one would want, such as the name, description, references, etc.
> However, including the information inline, allows more rapid
> processessing of the data, and allows the flow stream (or file) to be
> partially self-documenting (the point of templates in general).
> 
> Solving this problem seems very appropriate for the ipfix wg.

I think David summarised this problem very clearly.  IPFIX has tended
to focus on minimising the overhead for its info elements, that's
why their type is included in the semantics for each one.  The notion
was that when a collector meets an IE it doesn't know, it does know its
length, so it can preserve it in archived files, etc.

Having a way to create generalised, (probably) application-specific
IE, e.g. three IPv4 addresses, in a way that allows 'generalised' collecting
and processing packages to know their type so as to display them sounds useful 
to me.

Right now the IPFIX WG is trying hard to get its four current drafts submitted
to IESG, so that the protocol and information model (at last) have an agreed
standard form.  That will complete the current charter work items.

From there, there are certainly quite a few potential work items the group
could take on.  However, for that to happen, we'd need to modify/extend
the WG charter.  The most effective way to do that is for interested groups
to develop ways to extend IPFIX (within/buiilding on its current framework)
to achieve whetever it is they need, then publish their proposal for that
as individual IDs.  That way we have a clearly-defined, active community,
who can be seen to be working to get their proposal standardised.

So now, David has put forward the case for 'generic, type-specified
information elements' in IPFIX.  The mailing list is here to support
discussion and development for extensions like that ...

Cheers, Nevil

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	Title		: Information Model for IP Flow Information Export
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This memo defines an information model for the IP Flow Information
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Hi David and Bert:

Following our meeting at IETF in Paris we agreed to revise the drafts
to reflect the discussions there, then run another WG last call.

That last call produced quite a lot of discussion on the IPFIX mailing
list, resulting in editorial changes to the Architecture, Protocol
and Info Model drafts.  We have now completed those discussions, reaching
WG consensus on all four drafts.

This note is our formal request to you (our ADs), asking you to
submit the four IPFIX drafts to IESG for publication as RFS.
The drafts are:

  Standards Track    draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-19.txt
  Standards Track    draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt

  Informational      draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-09.txt
  Informational      draft-ietf-ipfix-as-06.txt

All four of the drafts have been checked by idnits, no problems
were found.  I've appended the 'submit to IESG checklist'
responses for all four below.


During our recent discussions it became clear that there's plenty
of interest in adding new Information Elements (IEs) to the IPFIX
info model.  The architecture makes it fairly easy to do that,
and in our IANA Considerations sections we've said that we'll use
'WG Consensus' to decide which new IEs should be added.  On the
IPFIX list at the end of August we discussed how we'd reach such
a consensus; we propose to do this as follows:

 1) Implementors are free to develop their own Information Elements
    using the Vendor IE number sapce.

 2) Proposals for new elements to be included in the 'standard' space
    (i.e. added to the IANA-maintained list) must be posted to the
    IPFIX mailing list for comment.

 3) The WG CoChairs, and the editors of the IPFIX Protocol and Info
    model drafts will moderate 'new element' discussions until rough
    consensus is reached.

 4) The IPFIX CoChairs will then request IANA to add the new elements to
    the 'standard space' list.

Cheers, Nevil (& Dave)
IPFIX co-chairs

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Document Title:     IPFIX Protocol Specification
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-19.txt


Document Title:     Information Model for IP Flow Information Export
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt


Document Title:     Architecture for IP Flow Information Export
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-09.txt

Document Title:     IPFIX Applicability
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-as-06.txt

   1.a) Have the chairs personally reviewed this version of the Internet
        Draft (ID), and in particular, do they believe this ID is ready
        to forward to the IESG for publication?

Yes.

   1.b) Has the document had adequate review from both key WG members
        and key non-WG members?  Do you have any concerns about the
        depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

An adequate review by key WG members was performed.
I do not have concerns about depth and breadth of the reviews.

   1.c) Do you have concerns that the document needs more review from a
        particular (broader) perspective (e.g., security, operational
        complexity, someone familiar with AAA, etc.)?

No.

   1.d) Do you have any specific concerns/issues with this document that
        you believe the ADs and/or IESG should be aware of?  For
        example, perhaps you are uncomfortable with certain parts of the
        document, or have concerns whether there really is a need for
        it.  In any event, if your issues have been discussed in the WG
        and the WG has indicated it that it still wishes to advance the
        document, detail those concerns in the write-up.

I do not have such concerns.

   1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it
        represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with
        others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and
        agree with it?

There is a solid WG consensus on the content of the draft.
The IPFIX system was been tested in an interoperation event immediately
before the Paris IETF meeting.  Most features of the five implementations
wrked well, showing the soundness of the documents.  The few issues
from that testing have been resolved in the submitted version of
the drafts.

   1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
        discontent?  If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in
        separate email to the Responsible Area Director.

No.

   1.g) Have the chairs verified that the document adheres to all of the
        ID nits? (see http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html).

Yes.  

   1.h) Is the document split into normative and informative references?
        Are there normative references to IDs, where the IDs are not
        also ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state?
        (note here that the RFC editor will not publish an RFC with
        normative references to IDs, it will delay publication until all
        such IDs are also ready for publication as RFCs.)

The references are split into normative and informative.
The normative references include cross-references between
these four drafts; the four will need to be published as four RFCs
at the same time.

   1.i) For Standards Track and BCP documents, the IESG approval
        announcement includes a write-up section with the following
        sections:

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Document Title:     IPFIX Protocol Specification
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-19.txt

Technical Summary

This document specifies the IPFIX protocol that serves for
transmitting IP traffic flow information over the network.  In order
to transmit IP traffic flow information from an exporting process to
an information collecting process, a common representation of flow
data and a standard means of communicating them is required. This
document describes how the IPFIX data and templates records are
carried over a congestion-aware transport protocol from an IPFIX
exporting process to an IPFIX collecting process.

Working Group Summary

This document was a regular WG document.  There is strong consensus
in the working group that this framework is an appropriate solution.

Protocol Quality

The document was thoroughly reviewed by the IPFIX WG.

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Document Title:     Information Model for IP Flow Information Export
Document reference: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt

Technical Summary

This document defines an information model for the IP Flow Information
eXport (IPFIX) protocol.  It is used by the IPFIX protocol for
encoding measured traffic information and information related to the
traffic Observation Point, the traffic Metering Process and the
Exporting Process.  Although developed for the IPFIX protocol, the
model is defined in an open way that easily allows using it in other
protocols, interfaces, and applications.

Working Group Summary

This document was a regular WG document.  There is strong consensus
in the working group that this framework is an appropriate solution.

Protocol Quality

The document was thoroughly reviewed by the IPFIX WG.

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