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Hello all,

I have a small doubt

Say I have my n/w setup as follows

|Firewall Box|     ----->       |Nat|  ------>    |Router Box|    

Where will the NetFlow feature fit in?
Note that Firewall is running in different hardware, Router is a 
separate hardware so also Nat.

Will it be in Router (ingress | egress)? if yes, then NetFlow is going 
to miss filtered packets there by Network user will be unaware of intruders.
Meaning that Netflow will not get info. about the filtered packets.

So as the case with NAT also.

Hope I am right in my question if wrong, please correct me.

Cheers and Thanks
Ganesh


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Ganesh,

This alias is for discussing the IPFIX-INFO draft. Your netflow question 
should really be sent to cisco :-)

But let me try to answer in terms of IPFIX-INFO.


> Say I have my n/w setup as follows
> 
> |Firewall Box|     ----->       |Nat|  ------>    |Router Box|   
> Where will the NetFlow feature fit in?
> Note that Firewall is running in different hardware, Router is a 
> separate hardware so also Nat.

Since you have seperate boxes, you would have to run IPFIX exporters on 
each one you're interested in.


> Will it be in Router (ingress | egress)? if yes, then NetFlow is going 
> to miss filtered packets there by Network user will be unaware of 
> intruders.
> Meaning that Netflow will not get info. about the filtered packets.
> 
> So as the case with NAT also.

If you want to see which flows the firewall blocked, then the firewall 
would have to export flow data including an indication of which flows 
were blocked. That might be done by including a new IPFIX-INFO object 
which describes whether or not the flow passed through, or more 
usefully, indicating why the flow was blocked. Or blocked flows could be 
exported in a different format to flows passing through.

Obviously this has to run on the ingress side of the firewall, because 
the egress side has no information about which flows were blocked. It's 
not so hard to drop the ingress/egress idea and think of it as running 
in the *middle* of the box.

If you want to see flows associated with the NAT box, then again, that 
might be done by an IPFIX enabled box exporting sourceIPv4Address / 
destinationIPv4Address and new IPFIX INFO elements being the post- or 
NAT equivalents. Again, this would need to be on the ingress side or in 
the middle of the box.

And finally, the same story with the router - though since the output of 
the NAT box is the input to the router, there's nothing new to be gained 
by exporting the ingress flow info. So in this case, you may be more 
interested in the egress flows.


> Hope I am right in my question if wrong, please correct me.

Each box you're interested in needs to be IPFIX enabled, and configured 
to export the information you want.

Cheers.
-- 
Paul Aitken
Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.

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Paul,

Thanks for your explanations :-)
Please convert all the NetFlow words to IPFIX that will solve the alias 
problem :-)

Cheers N Thanx
Ganesh

Paul Aitken wrote:
> Ganesh,
>
> This alias is for discussing the IPFIX-INFO draft. Your netflow 
> question should really be sent to cisco :-)
> But let me try to answer in terms of IPFIX-INFO.
>
>> Say I have my n/w setup as follows
>>
>> |Firewall Box|     ----->       |Nat|  ------>    |Router Box|   
>> Where will the NetFlow feature fit in?
>> Note that Firewall is running in different hardware, Router is a 
>> separate hardware so also Nat.
>
> Since you have seperate boxes, you would have to run IPFIX exporters 
> on each one you're interested in.
>
>
>> Will it be in Router (ingress | egress)? if yes, then NetFlow is 
>> going to miss filtered packets there by Network user will be unaware 
>> of intruders.
>> Meaning that Netflow will not get info. about the filtered packets.
>>
>> So as the case with NAT also.
>
> If you want to see which flows the firewall blocked, then the firewall 
> would have to export flow data including an indication of which flows 
> were blocked. That might be done by including a new IPFIX-INFO object 
> which describes whether or not the flow passed through, or more 
> usefully, indicating why the flow was blocked. Or blocked flows could 
> be exported in a different format to flows passing through.
>
> Obviously this has to run on the ingress side of the firewall, because 
> the egress side has no information about which flows were blocked. 
> It's not so hard to drop the ingress/egress idea and think of it as 
> running in the *middle* of the box.
>
> If you want to see flows associated with the NAT box, then again, that 
> might be done by an IPFIX enabled box exporting sourceIPv4Address / 
> destinationIPv4Address and new IPFIX INFO elements being the post- or 
> NAT equivalents. Again, this would need to be on the ingress side or 
> in the middle of the box.
>
> And finally, the same story with the router - though since the output 
> of the NAT box is the input to the router, there's nothing new to be 
> gained by exporting the ingress flow info. So in this case, you may be 
> more interested in the egress flows.
>
>
>> Hope I am right in my question if wrong, please correct me.
>
> Each box you're interested in needs to be IPFIX enabled, and 
> configured to export the information you want.
>
> Cheers.


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Hi Juergen et al:

> After submitting all WG documents to the IESG, I assume
> that there will be no IPFIX session in Vancouver.
> Is this correct?

Short answer, yes, we haven't asked for a formal WG meeting time.

Our four drafts have now been submitted, now we have to see them 
through IESG review, fix any problems, then see them through the 
RFC editor.  All of which will take quite some time.

Of course, IPFIX folk can get together informally to discuss
future IPFIX-related activities, e.g. having another IPFIX interop
event, considering future extensions (e.g. following up on David 
Moore's comment about 'generic typed' IEs), etc.  The only thing
to remember is that raising new IPFIX work items will mean we have
to revise the IPFIX charter ...

Cheers, Nevil

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--On 09.10.2005 18:46 Uhr +1300 Nevil Brownlee wrote:
>
> Hi Juergen et al:
>
>> After submitting all WG documents to the IESG, I assume
>> that there will be no IPFIX session in Vancouver.
>> Is this correct?
>
> Short answer, yes, we haven't asked for a formal WG meeting time.
>
> Our four drafts have now been submitted, now we have to see them
> through IESG review, fix any problems, then see them through the
> RFC editor.  All of which will take quite some time.

Yes, we should expect some time for this. There was no feedback
and no visible action on the (IPFIX-independent) PSAMP drafts
submitted for IESG review in July.

> Of course, IPFIX folk can get together informally to discuss
> future IPFIX-related activities, e.g. having another IPFIX interop
> event, considering future extensions (e.g. following up on David
> Moore's comment about 'generic typed' IEs), etc.  The only thing
> to remember is that raising new IPFIX work items will mean we have
> to revise the IPFIX charter ...

I expect that we will have some space for additional items in the
PSAMP agenda. We can discuss some of the issues also there.

    Juergen

> Cheers, Nevil
>
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Quoting Juergen Quittek <quittek@netlab.nec.de>:

> > Of course, IPFIX folk can get together informally to discuss
> > future IPFIX-related activities, e.g. having another IPFIX interop
> > event, considering future extensions (e.g. following up on David
> > Moore's comment about 'generic typed' IEs), etc.  The only thing
> > to remember is that raising new IPFIX work items will mean we have
> > to revise the IPFIX charter ...
> 
> I expect that we will have some space for additional items in the
> PSAMP agenda. We can discuss some of the issues also there.

Good idea, thanks Juergen.

Cheers, Nevil

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Hi all, in the IPFIX packet header, if sourceId is interface id instead 
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Dear all,

I'd like to suggest for completeness to also include
unsigned int and double precision float types into the
info model draft. I have attached a suggested text for this.

Also I would like to change
   The type "macAddress" represents a string of 6 octets.
to
   The type "macAddress" represents a set of 6 octets.
to avoid confusion (MAC address is not a string)

What do you think?

Kind regards,
Carsten.

PS: what about 'signed' integer types, will they never be needed?

-- 
"The difference between theory and practice is that in theory 
 theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not."

Dipl.Ing. Carsten Schmoll                Fraunhofer Institute FOKUS
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3.1.3.  unsigned32

   The type "unsigned32" represents a non-negative integer value in the
   range of 0 to 4294967295.

3.1.4.  unsigned64

   The type "unsigned64" represents a non-negative integer value in the
   range of 0 to 18446744073709551615.

3.1.5.  unsigned128

   The type "unsigned128" represents a non-negative integer value in the
   range of 0 to two to the power of 128 less 1.

3.1.5.  float32

   The type "float32" corresponds to an IEEE single-precision 32-bit
   floating point type as defined in [IEEE.754.1985].

3.1.6.  float64

   The type "float64" corresponds to an IEEE double-precision 64-bit
   floating point type as defined in [IEEE.754.1985].

3.1.7.  boolean

   The type "boolean" represents a binary value.  The only allowed
   values are "true" and false.

3.1.8.  macAddress

   The type "macAddress" represents a set of 6 octets.

3.1.9.  octetArray

   The type "octetArray" represents a finite length set of octets.

3.1.10.  string

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This is an update of the individual draft draft-stephan-isp-templates.

Abstract:
   Flows and packets observations require several levels of
   aggregations.  Currently switchs and routers analyse flows and export
   flow information using Netflow.  Aggregators are starting to use
   Netflow or IPFIX to collect basic information and to export
   aggregated information  and proposes to standardize a set of
templates to facilitate the exchange of flows and measurements
information between ISP.


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Dear Carsten,

Do you have any IE that needs double precision floats or 128 bit ints then
it is ok to insert the data type. But since there is currently not even the
need for single precision float I think also defining those data types just
introduces unneeded complexity and programming effort.

Regards,

Thomas

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> Dear all,
> 
> I'd like to suggest for completeness to also include
> unsigned int and double precision float types into the
> info model draft. I have attached a suggested text for this.
> 
> Also I would like to change
>    The type "macAddress" represents a string of 6 octets.
> to
>    The type "macAddress" represents a set of 6 octets.
> to avoid confusion (MAC address is not a string)
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Carsten.
> 
> PS: what about 'signed' integer types, will they never be needed?
> 
> -- 
> "The difference between theory and practice is that in theory 
>  theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not."
> 
> Dipl.Ing. Carsten Schmoll                Fraunhofer Institute FOKUS
> carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de      National Research Institute
> Fraunhofer FOKUS / dept. METEOR          for Open 
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Dear Thomas, all,

I'm currently working in a project where we will make use of float type
within our prototypes which uses IPFIX for measurement data results transfer
including various QoS related values, among them percentage values.

In out case this includes definition of some Enterprise-specific IEs, 
one of
which is a float (and a double would be even better).

So I think in light of Enterprises which might need to have to transfer 
IEs of
those types I think we should have them clearly stated in the standard 
even if
we no non-Enterprise IEs will make use of them.

The extension of an implementation with those two extra types is IMHO
quite straightforward.

Best regards,
Carsten.


Thomas Dietz wrote:

>Dear Carsten,
>
>Do you have any IE that needs double precision floats or 128 bit ints then
>it is ok to insert the data type. But since there is currently not even the
>need for single precision float I think also defining those data types just
>introduces unneeded complexity and programming effort.
>
>Regards,
>
>Thomas
>
>  
>

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 theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not."

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carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de      National Research Institute
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Dear Carsten and all,

See comments inline.

-- 
Thomas Dietz
Network Laboratories, NEC Europe Ltd., 69115 Heidelberg, Germany
   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Schmoll [mailto:carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de] 
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:36 AM
> To: Thomas Dietz
> Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu
> Subject: Re: [ipfix] No uint128 and double types in Info Model
> 
> 
> Dear Thomas, all,
> 
> I'm currently working in a project where we will make use of 
> float type
> within our prototypes which uses IPFIX for measurement data 
> results transfer
> including various QoS related values, among them percentage values.

You can define percentage value also with integer formats (depending on the
needed precision.) With an unsigned64 you can get a precision of about
5,4210108624275221703311375920553e-20.

> 
> In out case this includes definition of some Enterprise-specific IEs, 
> one of
> which is a float (and a double would be even better).
> 
> So I think in light of Enterprises which might need to have 
> to transfer 
> IEs of
> those types I think we should have them clearly stated in the 
> standard 
> even if
> we no non-Enterprise IEs will make use of them.
> 
> The extension of an implementation with those two extra types is IMHO
> quite straightforward.
> 

You are definitely right with this and don't want to say strictly no. I'd
like to here some more opinions. So if the majority on the list votes for
including them I guess the authors will do so. I just wanted to give my
opinion on it and open the discussion!

Regards,

Thomas

> Best regards,
> Carsten.
> 
> 
> Thomas Dietz wrote:
> 
> >Dear Carsten,
> >
> >Do you have any IE that needs double precision floats or 128 
> bit ints then
> >it is ok to insert the data type. But since there is 
> currently not even the
> >need for single precision float I think also defining those 
> data types just
> >introduces unneeded complexity and programming effort.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Thomas
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> "The difference between theory and practice is that in theory 
>  theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not."
> 
> Dipl.Ing. Carsten Schmoll                Fraunhofer Institute FOKUS
> carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de      National Research Institute
> Fraunhofer FOKUS / dept. METEOR          for Open 
> Communication Systems
> Tel: +49-30-3463-7136                    Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31
> Fax: +49-30-3463-8000                    D-10589 Berlin, Germany
> 
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Dear all,

we have submitted a new Internet-Draft, the IPFIX implementation
guidelines. Please have a look at it.
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cheers,
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	Title		: IPFIX Implementation Guidelines
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	Date		: 2005-10-19
	
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Dear all,

We updated the draft defining IPFIX templates for common ISP usages.
Please read at least the section 'change since v00'.
Comments are welcome.

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Emile

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN
> Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 20 octobre 2005 18:20
> =C0=A0: 'internet-drafts@ietf.org'
> Cc=A0: 'psamp@ops.ietf.org'; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu
> Objet=A0: Submission of individual draft-stephan-isp-templates-01.txt
>=20
> This is an update of the individual draft draft-stephan-isp-templates.
>=20
> Abstract:
>    Flows and packets observations require several levels of
>    aggregations.  Currently switchs and routers analyse flows and =
export
>    flow information using Netflow.  Aggregators are starting to use
>    Netflow or IPFIX to collect basic information and to export
>    aggregated information  and proposes to standardize a set of =
templates
> to facilitate the exchange of flows and measurements information =
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I am in good health and have always enjoyed sex.
I was losing my erection during intercourse and during oral sex with 
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It was difficult to pinpoint the problem so I decided to order some 
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It was like being a teenager over again. Amazing!

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I started having an affair with a younger, 
supersexy coworker about two months ago.
I was very nervous and had tremendous anxiety 
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>I started having an affair with a younger, 
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anxiety 
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could not perform. I felt worthless and could <BR>not believe that I blew 
an opportunity to be with a woman so incredibly beautiful. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>The next time we were together things were 
wonderfully different. My cock was hard enough <BR>to cut through diamonds 
and I couldn't believe how full and swollen it was. We had great <BR>sex 
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Carsten Schmoll wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> I'd like to suggest for completeness to also include
> unsigned int and double precision float types into the
> info model draft. I have attached a suggested text for this.


I would be OK with including floats - they may be needed by
VSIE's and defining them now saves all sorts of problems
upstream

> 
> Also I would like to change
>   The type "macAddress" represents a string of 6 octets.
> to
>   The type "macAddress" represents a set of 6 octets.
> to avoid confusion (MAC address is not a string)

Actually it should be something more precise such as

"An IEEE 802 MAC address as defined in IEEE.802-3.2002
represented in canonical form. An IEEE 802 MAC address
is 6 octets long."


> PS: what about 'signed' integer types, will they never be needed?
> 

Yes.

- Stewart

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Greetings,

We have submitted the -01 version of our draft, "Biflow  
implementation support in IPFIX". This draft contains substantial  
improvements, completing the set of proposed implementation  
mechanisms, and examples thereof.

Thanks,

Brian and Elisa

Begin forwarded message:

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.
>
>
>     Title        : Biflow implementation support in IPFIX
>     Author(s)    : E. Boschi, B. Trammell
>     Filename    : draft-boschi-ipfix-biflow-01.txt
>     Pages        : 12
>     Date        : 2005-10-27
>
>     This document describes how bidirectional flows (biflows) can be
>         implemented in the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX)  
> protocol.
>         We propose a variety of methods for biflow export,  
> including an
>         extension to the IPFIX Information Model that allows the
>         specification of biflow semantics and a set of counters needed
>         for biflow processing.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boschi-ipfix-biflow-01.txt

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