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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7EEE0.6E142F10-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:56:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtO-0007F6-Je; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtM-0007Ej-G6 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtL-0008Go-IZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l84CqN9J005796; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:52:24 +0200 Message-ID: <46DD54E5.6090907@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:51:49 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Kind Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> <46D7EA5C.9030709@zurich.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <46D7EA5C.9030709@zurich.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.66; VDF: 6.39.1.85; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l84CqN9J005796 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff03b0075c3fc728d7d60a15b4ee1ad2 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Andreas, thank you very much for your feedback. Please find my replies inline. Andreas Kind wrote: > Gerhard, Benoit, >=20 > I looked at your draft and think that the data model is useful and make= s > sense. It seems to me not only suited to configure exporters which are > similar to Flexible NetFlow (my initial fear ;-) but also for flow > meters in general. >=20 > The example clarified that it is indeed possible to use multiple > Observation Points per CacheParameters instance (ie, multiple interface= s > feeding a single flow table) -- a standard scenario. I suggest to > clarify this point already in Section 4 by adding these sentences to th= e > SelectionProcess and CacheParameter items in the item list: >=20 > * "A Selection Process can be referred from multiple Metering Processes= ." > * "A specification of Cache Parameters can be referred from multiple > Metering Processes." We will adopt this clarification in the next version of the draft. > Here some other comments: >=20 > * As it does not make sense to have an Observation Point without a > Metering Process, I would label the aggregation in Figure 1 and 3 with > '1..*'. The same might apply to Collection Process. Of course, this > would also mean: >=20 > minOccurs=3D"1" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded" /> >=20 > and >=20 > minOccurs=3D"1" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded" /> A Collecting Process is mostly used to store the received data in files or in a database or to pass it to an analyzer. We would like to configure such Collecting Processes without any linkage to a Metering Process as well. On the other hand, a CP->MP combination is a very special case (mediator, concentrator). So, in the case of the Collecting Process, the 0..*/minOccurs=3D"0" should stay. There is a practical issue as well: The 0..* and minOccurs=3D"0" enables step-by-step configuration and reconfiguration and ensures that intermediate configurations are not invalid. Assume that you have a running OP->MP->EP configuration and then you want to remove the link between OP and MP without losing the the OP parameters/configuration. Then, at some later time, you can provide a new linkage between the OP and a new MP, for example, which requires only a small change. All in all, I'm not sure if we should restrict the minimum number of Metering Processes per Observation Point in the configuration data model to 1. > * Software-based flow meters quite often use file system based > Observation Points and Exporters. For instance, people want to read fro= m > a capture file and export as IPFIX records. An other scenario is to > listen on an interface (or multiple) and write to a file (eg, =E0 la > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type). In the former case, something more > general than Interface / Line Card is necessary which allows for > specifying not only the file name but also the content format, such as > tcpdump/pcap. Maybe URI syntax? In the latter case, the Destination > class may actually be generic enough for file-based export. In the case of ObservationPoint, would you agree with a third option in addition to "Interface" and "Linecard"? Like "File" or "Repository"? In the same way, Exporter could support "File" as a fourth option besides "Sctp", "Tcp" and "Udp". > * It would be useful to have description fields with instances which ca= n > be referred to. So, I'd suggest to have 'descr=3D"..."' fields with > ObservationPeriod, SelectionProcess, CacheParameters, etc. Good idea. > * You use the unit 'Sec' but it is not an SI unit. Maybe you want to us= e > 's'. Agreed. > * Finally something which might be out of scope: Is it possible to do > incremental (re-)configuration to reduce the XML overhead in the traffi= c > to the device to be configured? It's XML, so you can do XML processing with the configuration data, e.g. using XPath to identify specific nodes or positions where you want to manipulate the data. Netconf Protocol provides mechanisms to edit parts of an existing configuration as well. If people say that they want do IPFIX configuration using Netconf, then we will add some notes about how the configuration data model should be used with Netconf protocol. Best regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:56:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtO-0007F6-Je; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtM-0007Ej-G6 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXtL-0008Go-IZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l84CqN9J005796; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:52:24 +0200 Message-ID: <46DD54E5.6090907@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:51:49 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Kind Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> <46D7EA5C.9030709@zurich.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <46D7EA5C.9030709@zurich.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.66; VDF: 6.39.1.85; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l84CqN9J005796 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff03b0075c3fc728d7d60a15b4ee1ad2 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Andreas, thank you very much for your feedback. Please find my replies inline. Andreas Kind wrote: > Gerhard, Benoit, >=20 > I looked at your draft and think that the data model is useful and make= s > sense. It seems to me not only suited to configure exporters which are > similar to Flexible NetFlow (my initial fear ;-) but also for flow > meters in general. >=20 > The example clarified that it is indeed possible to use multiple > Observation Points per CacheParameters instance (ie, multiple interface= s > feeding a single flow table) -- a standard scenario. I suggest to > clarify this point already in Section 4 by adding these sentences to th= e > SelectionProcess and CacheParameter items in the item list: >=20 > * "A Selection Process can be referred from multiple Metering Processes= ." > * "A specification of Cache Parameters can be referred from multiple > Metering Processes." We will adopt this clarification in the next version of the draft. > Here some other comments: >=20 > * As it does not make sense to have an Observation Point without a > Metering Process, I would label the aggregation in Figure 1 and 3 with > '1..*'. The same might apply to Collection Process. Of course, this > would also mean: >=20 > minOccurs=3D"1" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded" /> >=20 > and >=20 > minOccurs=3D"1" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded" /> A Collecting Process is mostly used to store the received data in files or in a database or to pass it to an analyzer. We would like to configure such Collecting Processes without any linkage to a Metering Process as well. On the other hand, a CP->MP combination is a very special case (mediator, concentrator). So, in the case of the Collecting Process, the 0..*/minOccurs=3D"0" should stay. There is a practical issue as well: The 0..* and minOccurs=3D"0" enables step-by-step configuration and reconfiguration and ensures that intermediate configurations are not invalid. Assume that you have a running OP->MP->EP configuration and then you want to remove the link between OP and MP without losing the the OP parameters/configuration. Then, at some later time, you can provide a new linkage between the OP and a new MP, for example, which requires only a small change. All in all, I'm not sure if we should restrict the minimum number of Metering Processes per Observation Point in the configuration data model to 1. > * Software-based flow meters quite often use file system based > Observation Points and Exporters. For instance, people want to read fro= m > a capture file and export as IPFIX records. An other scenario is to > listen on an interface (or multiple) and write to a file (eg, =E0 la > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type). In the former case, something more > general than Interface / Line Card is necessary which allows for > specifying not only the file name but also the content format, such as > tcpdump/pcap. Maybe URI syntax? In the latter case, the Destination > class may actually be generic enough for file-based export. In the case of ObservationPoint, would you agree with a third option in addition to "Interface" and "Linecard"? Like "File" or "Repository"? In the same way, Exporter could support "File" as a fourth option besides "Sctp", "Tcp" and "Udp". > * It would be useful to have description fields with instances which ca= n > be referred to. So, I'd suggest to have 'descr=3D"..."' fields with > ObservationPeriod, SelectionProcess, CacheParameters, etc. Good idea. > * You use the unit 'Sec' but it is not an SI unit. Maybe you want to us= e > 's'. Agreed. > * Finally something which might be out of scope: Is it possible to do > incremental (re-)configuration to reduce the XML overhead in the traffi= c > to the device to be configured? It's XML, so you can do XML processing with the configuration data, e.g. using XPath to identify specific nodes or positions where you want to manipulate the data. Netconf Protocol provides mechanisms to edit parts of an existing configuration as well. If people say that they want do IPFIX configuration using Netconf, then we will add some notes about how the configuration data model should be used with Netconf protocol. Best regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7EF97.61BA06B0-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 06:03:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrjk-0000oI-1k; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:03:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrjj-0000oC-6s for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:03:51 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrjh-0006Tf-DN for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:03:50 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l85A3m107440; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:03:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.65.108] (ams3-vpn-dhcp364.cisco.com [10.61.65.108]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l85A3lI00432; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:03:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:03:46 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 References: <4BF634C0-D5D2-47FE-8F55-DCAF9FD39266@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4BF634C0-D5D2-47FE-8F55-DCAF9FD39266@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, all, The version 26 has been posted today. Regards, Benoit. > Hi all: > > This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to those > who read it and made comments. > > It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in response > to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF > Last Call. 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Regards, Benoit. > Hi all: > > This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to those > who read it and made comments. > > It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in response > to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF > Last Call. (Please would the editors add a short summary section > at tyhe front of the new version, summarising its changes from -24). > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 06:09:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpJ-0005xm-Gy; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpH-0005xf-Ml for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:35 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpH-0008LD-Ag for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:35 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2007 06:09:34 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.20,210,1186372800"; d="scan'208"; a="54900335:sNHT8737266" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:08:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Thread-Index: AcfvpCosl3OMx6kbT8+0xMHrE5p5JQAAIc+g References: <4BF634C0-D5D2-47FE-8F55-DCAF9FD39266@auckland.ac.nz> <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Benoit Claise" , "Nevil Brownlee" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Do the editor and chairs consider this version appropriate for IETF LC?=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM > To: Nevil Brownlee > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >=20 > Nevil, all, >=20 > The version 26 has been posted today. >=20 > Regards, Benoit. > > Hi all: > > > > This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to=20 > those who read=20 > > it and made comments. > > > > It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in=20 > response=20 > > to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF=20 > > Last Call. (Please would the editors add a short summary=20 > section at=20 > > tyhe front of the new version, summarising its changes from -24). > > > > Cheers, Nevil > > > >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IPFIX mailing list > > IPFIX@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 06:09:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpJ-0005xm-Gy; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpH-0005xf-Ml for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:35 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrpH-0008LD-Ag for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:35 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2007 06:09:34 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.20,210,1186372800"; d="scan'208"; a="54900335:sNHT8737266" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:08:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Thread-Index: AcfvpCosl3OMx6kbT8+0xMHrE5p5JQAAIc+g References: <4BF634C0-D5D2-47FE-8F55-DCAF9FD39266@auckland.ac.nz> <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Benoit Claise" , "Nevil Brownlee" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Do the editor and chairs consider this version appropriate for IETF LC?=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM > To: Nevil Brownlee > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >=20 > Nevil, all, >=20 > The version 26 has been posted today. >=20 > Regards, Benoit. > > Hi all: > > > > This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to=20 > those who read=20 > > it and made comments. > > > > It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in=20 > response=20 > > to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF=20 > > Last Call. 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Regards, Benoit. > Dan > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM >> To: Nevil Brownlee >> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >> >> Nevil, all, >> >> The version 26 has been posted today. >> >> Regards, Benoit. >> >>> Hi all: >>> >>> This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to >>> >> those who read >> >>> it and made comments. >>> >>> It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in >>> >> response >> >>> to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF >>> Last Call. (Please would the editors add a short summary >>> >> section at >> >>> tyhe front of the new version, summarising its changes from -24). >>> >>> Cheers, Nevil >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >> _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 06:20:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrzn-0004GZ-UA; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:20:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrzm-0004GU-LO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:20:26 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISrzm-00008m-5k for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:20:26 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l85AKNq12039; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.181] (ams3-vpn-dhcp181.cisco.com [10.61.64.181]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l85AKKI01016; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46DE82E5.6000606@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:20:21 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 References: <4BF634C0-D5D2-47FE-8F55-DCAF9FD39266@auckland.ac.nz> <46DE7F02.80501@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dan, > Do the editor and chairs consider this version appropriate for IETF LC? > IMHO, yes. Regards, Benoit. > Dan > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM >> To: Nevil Brownlee >> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >> >> Nevil, all, >> >> The version 26 has been posted today. >> >> Regards, Benoit. >> >>> Hi all: >>> >>> This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to >>> >> those who read >> >>> it and made comments. >>> >>> It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in >>> >> response >> >>> to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF >>> Last Call. (Please would the editors add a short summary >>> >> section at >> >>> tyhe front of the new version, summarising its changes from -24). >>> >>> Cheers, Nevil >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >> _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 08:19:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqz-00066e-OO; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:29 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqy-00066U-Fb for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:28 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqx-0003Zx-UY for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D5928004FC7; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBS-Z0r+7jvD; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359252800035C; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:19:07 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:19:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 From: Juergen Quittek To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Benoit Claise , Nevil Brownlee Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Thread-Index: AcfvpCosl3OMx6kbT8+0xMHrE5p5JQAAIc+gAASRsDE= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Yes, I do. Juergen Am 05.09.2007 12:08 Uhr schrieb "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" unter : > Do the editor and chairs consider this version appropriate for IETF LC? > > Dan > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM >> To: Nevil Brownlee >> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >> >> Nevil, all, >> >> The version 26 has been posted today. >> >> Regards, Benoit. >>> Hi all: >>> >>> This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to >> those who read >>> it and made comments. >>> >>> It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in >> response >>> to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF >>> Last Call. (Please would the editors add a short summary >> section at >>> tyhe front of the new version, summarising its changes from -24). >>> >>> Cheers, Nevil >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 08:19:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqz-00066e-OO; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:29 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqy-00066U-Fb for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:28 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IStqx-0003Zx-UY for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:19:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D5928004FC7; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBS-Z0r+7jvD; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359252800035C; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:19:07 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:19:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 From: Juergen Quittek To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Benoit Claise , Nevil Brownlee Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 Thread-Index: AcfvpCosl3OMx6kbT8+0xMHrE5p5JQAAIc+gAASRsDE= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Yes, I do. Juergen Am 05.09.2007 12:08 Uhr schrieb "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" unter : > Do the editor and chairs consider this version appropriate for IETF LC? > > Dan > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:04 PM >> To: Nevil Brownlee >> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] End of WG Last Call on protocol-25 >> >> Nevil, all, >> >> The version 26 has been posted today. >> >> Regards, Benoit. >>> Hi all: >>> >>> This WGLC finished at the close of 31 Aug 07, thanks to >> those who read >>> it and made comments. >>> >>> It's Editors will make a new (-26) version of the draft, in >> response >>> to the comments, then we'll pass that back to IESG for a full IETF >>> Last Call. 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Yes, seems to me that the Editors have made a nice job of these changes - please put it into IETF LC. 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Yes, seems to me that the Editors have made a nice job of these changes - please put it into IETF LC. 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That prompted lots more activity, and a host of people offering to review the proposed new drafts. Here's my summary of what IPFIX should do next: 0: SCTP changes to proto This is now in process, with protocol-26 about to start its IETF LC. 1: Config data model This has five reviewers, its clearly a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. 2: SCTP per-stream This has three reviewers, I believe it should be a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. 3: File Format Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. Points to discuss: a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be Informational. But does the WG think it should really be Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative reference? 4: Exporting Types (was Extended Types) Three reviewers, lots of discussion, overall consensus that it should be a WG work item. 5: Mediators Three reviewers, continuing discussion, consensus that it needs to be split into smaller parts. Recommendation: 1 and 2 are well advanced, i.e. items which seem achievable in six months or so. I'd like to adopt them as new WG work items. 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are open issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could take six to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG work items. 5 is clearly going to need lots more work, but there is considerable support for it. I suggest that those interested in it work on a 'problem statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) Anonymisation. Does anyone have any further feedback at this stage, please? Cheers, Nevil PS: Looking at our Milestones, the only one we're behind on if the IPFIX MIB. What's the current status of that, please? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 05 20:52:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IT5bu-0002VD-EY; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IT5bt-0002V8-4o for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:41 -0400 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IT5bq-0005ii-Un for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D233E4805D7 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:52:34 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9gbsBXAwZDrN for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:52:34 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92914803DB for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:52:34 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1FBFEBED-F220-44EC-BEF0-3849331FC12E@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:52:33 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Subject: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: On 8 August I posted a summary of the list activity on "new work items." That prompted lots more activity, and a host of people offering to review the proposed new drafts. Here's my summary of what IPFIX should do next: 0: SCTP changes to proto This is now in process, with protocol-26 about to start its IETF LC. 1: Config data model This has five reviewers, its clearly a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. 2: SCTP per-stream This has three reviewers, I believe it should be a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. 3: File Format Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. Points to discuss: a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be Informational. But does the WG think it should really be Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative reference? 4: Exporting Types (was Extended Types) Three reviewers, lots of discussion, overall consensus that it should be a WG work item. 5: Mediators Three reviewers, continuing discussion, consensus that it needs to be split into smaller parts. Recommendation: 1 and 2 are well advanced, i.e. items which seem achievable in six months or so. I'd like to adopt them as new WG work items. 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are open issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could take six to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG work items. 5 is clearly going to need lots more work, but there is considerable support for it. I suggest that those interested in it work on a 'problem statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) Anonymisation. Does anyone have any further feedback at this stage, please? Cheers, Nevil PS: Looking at our Milestones, the only one we're behind on if the IPFIX MIB. 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The IPFIX WG decided to make changes to that version of the document with the principal goal of removing the SCTP stream 0 restriction. Reviews should focus on the changes since draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt which are mentioned in an editorial note currently placed after the Table of Contents. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2007-09-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=10472&rfc_flag=0 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 10:36:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITISh-0001Qg-1N; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:36:03 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITISf-0001N8-HU for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:36:01 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITISe-00048n-1I for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:36:01 -0400 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1189089358-0d85000e0000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 2B72014D1C4 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:35:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com with ESMTP id SjacFTxOkLnpWySS for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:35:58 +0100 (BST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:35:52 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:35:57 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:35:56 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Thread-Index: Acfwkzxtrn2H7/jASiWmyBdRyCm2cw== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 14:35:57.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C927B40:01C7F093] X-Barracuda-Connect: UNKNOWN[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1189089358 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3f2cf88677bfbdeff30feb2c80e2257d Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1483834607==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1483834607== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F093.3C6FA021" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F093.3C6FA021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nevil, all, >=20 > On 8 August I posted a summary of the list activity on "new work items.= " > That prompted lots more activity, and a host of people offering to revi= ew > the proposed new drafts. >=20 > Here's my summary of what IPFIX should do next: >=20 > 0: SCTP changes to proto > This is now in process, with protocol-26 about to start its IETF LC.= >=20 > 1: Config data model > This has five reviewers, > its clearly a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. >=20 > 2: SCTP per-stream > This has three reviewers, > I believe it should be a WG work item, for an Informational RFC. >=20 > 3: File Format > Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. > Points to discuss: > a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be > Informational. But does the WG think it should really be > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File Format d= oesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as input for analysi= s tools or for testing. It should be standards track to guarantee interop= erability. > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative > reference? >=20 yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File specification= , and it is needed to address the self-description requirement for the fi= le format. > 4: Exporting Types (was Extended Types) > Three reviewers, lots of discussion, overall consensus that it > should be a WG work item. >=20 > 5: Mediators > Three reviewers, continuing discussion, consensus that it needs > to be split into smaller parts. >=20 > Recommendation: >=20 > 1 and 2 are well advanced, i.e. items which seem achievable in six mont= hs > or so. I'd like to adopt them as new WG work items. >=20 > 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are open > issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could take six= > to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG work it= ems. >=20 I think that the File Format is almost complete. It is definitely achieva= ble in six months. Exporting type _might_ take a bit longer but not much.= .. > 5 is clearly going to need lots more work, but there is considerable > support for it. I suggest that those interested in it work on a 'probl= em > statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts= > on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) > Anonymisation. >=20 > Does anyone have any further feedback at this stage, please? >=20 Cheers, Elisa > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > PS: Looking at our Milestones, the only one we're behind on if the > IPFIX MIB. 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But does the WG think it should really be > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File Format d= oesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as input for analysi= s tools or for testing. It should be standards track to guarantee interop= erability. > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative > reference? >=20 yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File specification= , and it is needed to address the self-description requirement for the fi= le format. > 4: Exporting Types (was Extended Types) > Three reviewers, lots of discussion, overall consensus that it > should be a WG work item. >=20 > 5: Mediators > Three reviewers, continuing discussion, consensus that it needs > to be split into smaller parts. >=20 > Recommendation: >=20 > 1 and 2 are well advanced, i.e. items which seem achievable in six mont= hs > or so. I'd like to adopt them as new WG work items. >=20 > 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are open > issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could take six= > to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG work it= ems. >=20 I think that the File Format is almost complete. It is definitely achieva= ble in six months. Exporting type _might_ take a bit longer but not much.= .. > 5 is clearly going to need lots more work, but there is considerable > support for it. I suggest that those interested in it work on a 'probl= em > statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts= > on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) > Anonymisation. >=20 > Does anyone have any further feedback at this stage, please? >=20 Cheers, Elisa > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > PS: Looking at our Milestones, the only one we're behind on if the > IPFIX MIB. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7F093.04E014AA-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 11:17:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6q-0007md-VV; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6o-0007mT-Rh for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6n-0002Ah-Jr for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l86FGZrM018219 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:35 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l86FGC82018154 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:12 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l86FGB6M018149; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.254.115] (vpn-10-25-4-31.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.31]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l86FGBOU008721; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:09 -0400 To: "Boschi, Elisa" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, Nevil, all, These next steps look good; I have a few comments, inline... On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Boschi, Elisa wrote: > > > > 3: File Format > > Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. > > Points to discuss: > > a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be > > Informational. But does the WG think it should really be > > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? > > > I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File > Format doesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as > input for analysis tools or for testing. It should be standards > track to guarantee interoperability. Seconded. There's an implicit guideline here: things which impact interoperability (that is, that require both the EP and the CP to follow the draft in order to work) should be Standards Track (as with e.g. the core documents, and the biflow draft), while things which will interoperate fine without such cooperation need not be. Much of the file draft consists of optional IPFIX Options Templates which may be used to note information about the contents of the file (or, indeed, safely ignored). However, the core of the document lays out those things which must be done by EPs (file writers) and CPs (file readers) in order to use the "file" transport for IPFIX; this is why this draft needs to be Standards Track, in my opinion. > > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a > normative > > reference? > > > > yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File > specification, and it is needed to address the self-description > requirement for the file format. Also seconded. > > 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are > open > > issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could > take six > > to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG > work items. > > > > I think that the File Format is almost complete. It is definitely > achievable in six months. Exporting type _might_ take a bit longer > but not much... The file draft is very nearly complete, save some editorial changes and a couple of additional sections. Most of the new content is already in our working copy of the draft, so we intend to finish the rest of the changes and submit a new revision toward the beginning of October. Agreed that six months to IESG submission is a readily achievable milestone here. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 11:17:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6q-0007md-VV; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6o-0007mT-Rh for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6n-0002Ah-Jr for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:30 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l86FGZrM018219 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:35 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l86FGC82018154 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:12 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l86FGB6M018149; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.254.115] (vpn-10-25-4-31.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.31]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l86FGBOU008721; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:16:09 -0400 To: "Boschi, Elisa" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Elisa, Nevil, all, These next steps look good; I have a few comments, inline... On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Boschi, Elisa wrote: > > > > 3: File Format > > Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. > > Points to discuss: > > a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be > > Informational. But does the WG think it should really be > > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? > > > I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File > Format doesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as > input for analysis tools or for testing. It should be standards > track to guarantee interoperability. Seconded. There's an implicit guideline here: things which impact interoperability (that is, that require both the EP and the CP to follow the draft in order to work) should be Standards Track (as with e.g. the core documents, and the biflow draft), while things which will interoperate fine without such cooperation need not be. Much of the file draft consists of optional IPFIX Options Templates which may be used to note information about the contents of the file (or, indeed, safely ignored). However, the core of the document lays out those things which must be done by EPs (file writers) and CPs (file readers) in order to use the "file" transport for IPFIX; this is why this draft needs to be Standards Track, in my opinion. > > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a > normative > > reference? > > > > yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File > specification, and it is needed to address the self-description > requirement for the file format. Also seconded. > > 3 is also well advanced, and 4 is tending that way, but there are > open > > issues as I mentioned for (3) above. I guess that these could > take six > > to 12 months to complete, but I propse that we adopt them as WG > work items. > > > > I think that the File Format is almost complete. It is definitely > achievable in six months. Exporting type _might_ take a bit longer > but not much... The file draft is very nearly complete, save some editorial changes and a couple of additional sections. Most of the new content is already in our working copy of the draft, so we intend to finish the rest of the changes and submit a new revision toward the beginning of October. Agreed that six months to IESG submission is a readily achievable milestone here. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From whooahdeucei@t-dialin.net Thu Sep 06 13:10:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITKs8-0005Ko-Je; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:10:28 -0400 Received: from p54a7c161.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.167.193.97] helo=t-dialin.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITKrz-0000TX-S0; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: <139e01c7f0fc$0e148880$b527834b@whooahdeucei> From: "Emmy" To: "Zackary Scott" Cc: "Barbra Patterson" , "Edith Gardner" , "Gilda Martinez" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org> Subject: Great performance Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:06:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_CE5_59E5_BC99894C.5E4042D3" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l86I8fgX020823; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:08:45 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.148] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4501.cisco.com [10.61.81.148]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17795; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:08:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46E04236.5050600@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:08:54 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two References: <1FBFEBED-F220-44EC-BEF0-3849331FC12E@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <1FBFEBED-F220-44EC-BEF0-3849331FC12E@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2016; t=1189102127; x=1189966127; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20next=20steps,=20take=20two |Sender:=20; bh=wAX1nJp+K/Z54cbNJ9cW0M9VjC1Kr5m+JXbxyCNKwm4=; b=SfCDQLuGvsSeCK4XyOL/JlWzrLonUUTe6xl9n6Hf2GaGP/IkLHiJHALtJvg4iaUgsEhrYgEk RoEH5fRHb4PRThRWn+iTQhwIMz52Yscnn92CWLPm6Ocbnz59LUnq0/2v; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, > 3: File Format > Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. > Points to discuss: > a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be > Informational. But does the WG think it should really be > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? As long as your file comes with an interface that converts the data to and from the IPFIX wire format then you can write the file in whatever format you like and it'll be interoperable. eg, given the right software, mydata.zip is "iteroperable" across all platforms. That said, I can see a standard file format - or perhaps more importantly, the rules for creating files conforming to that format - as being a useful thing. So I'm leaning towards Informational. > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative > reference? While it's useful to record information about the IEs in the file right there with the data, it's not absolutely essential. The type information could be archived elsewhere - eg, even written down - and the data successfully recovered. This is essentially what happens with the IPFIX-INFO IEs: they're written down in the IPFIX-INFO draft. The main advantages I see are: 1. When using Enterprise Specific IEs, a file can be completely self-contained. 2. Even if the definition of the Enterprise Specific IEs changed over time, the correct definition can be archived with the data. 3. Potentially, new standard IEs which aren't known to the Collecting Process can be used without necessitating a Collector upgrade (eg, if the CP manufacturer is out of business or charging an extortionate fee for the upgrade). So, it seems quite useful to me. I'd say it's something the file writer MAY do. Even recommend it as a SHOULD. But it's definitely not essential; the file format is useful in its own right without this. Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 14:08:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLme-0004fQ-3p; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:08:52 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLmd-0004fL-Fw for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:08:51 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLmc-000256-Vd for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:08:51 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,216,1186351200"; d="scan'208";a="152424753" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2007 20:08:48 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l86I8lVt010073; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:08:47 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l86I8fgX020823; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:08:45 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.148] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4501.cisco.com [10.61.81.148]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17795; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:08:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46E04236.5050600@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:08:54 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two References: <1FBFEBED-F220-44EC-BEF0-3849331FC12E@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <1FBFEBED-F220-44EC-BEF0-3849331FC12E@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2016; t=1189102127; x=1189966127; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20WG=20next=20steps,=20take=20two |Sender:=20; bh=wAX1nJp+K/Z54cbNJ9cW0M9VjC1Kr5m+JXbxyCNKwm4=; b=SfCDQLuGvsSeCK4XyOL/JlWzrLonUUTe6xl9n6Hf2GaGP/IkLHiJHALtJvg4iaUgsEhrYgEk RoEH5fRHb4PRThRWn+iTQhwIMz52Yscnn92CWLPm6Ocbnz59LUnq0/2v; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, > 3: File Format > Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. > Points to discuss: > a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be > Informational. But does the WG think it should really be > Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? As long as your file comes with an interface that converts the data to and from the IPFIX wire format then you can write the file in whatever format you like and it'll be interoperable. eg, given the right software, mydata.zip is "iteroperable" across all platforms. That said, I can see a standard file format - or perhaps more importantly, the rules for creating files conforming to that format - as being a useful thing. So I'm leaning towards Informational. > b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative > reference? While it's useful to record information about the IEs in the file right there with the data, it's not absolutely essential. The type information could be archived elsewhere - eg, even written down - and the data successfully recovered. This is essentially what happens with the IPFIX-INFO IEs: they're written down in the IPFIX-INFO draft. The main advantages I see are: 1. When using Enterprise Specific IEs, a file can be completely self-contained. 2. Even if the definition of the Enterprise Specific IEs changed over time, the correct definition can be archived with the data. 3. Potentially, new standard IEs which aren't known to the Collecting Process can be used without necessitating a Collector upgrade (eg, if the CP manufacturer is out of business or charging an extortionate fee for the upgrade). So, it seems quite useful to me. I'd say it's something the file writer MAY do. Even recommend it as a SHOULD. But it's definitely not essential; the file format is useful in its own right without this. Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 19:36:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtO-000604-2C; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtM-0005zm-GV for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:08 -0400 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.33] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtL-0003jc-HA for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781FD9C385 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CFqjoyiYfnM for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1AD9C30D for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:02 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Subject: [IPFIX] Next steps, take three X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Yesterdays 'next steps' post gave me useful feedback. Following up on that: 1: Config Data Model I'd forgotten that at our Chicago meeting we noted that "Perhaps IPFIX could be one of the first WGs to benefit from using a standards-track configuration protocol." I agree with that, so this item should have been 'Standards Track.' 3: File Format 4: Exporting Types Feedback was that (4) is intended to be a normative reference for (3), and (3) needs to be 'Standards Track,' because it really describes a fourth transport for IPFIX. (4) also needs to be 'Standards Track,' since (like the 'biflows' RFC) it specifies a standard way to describe IEs within IPFIX. The current status of the IPFIX/PSAMP drafts is now: psamp framework, protocol, sample-tech Publication Requested info I-D Exists ipfix implementation guidelines revised ID needed testing not submitted yet (due Nov 2006) MIB not submitted yet (due Mar 2007) protocol in IETF LC In Chicago we said "We will also make corresponding changes to the Implementation Guidelines and Testing drafts, and re-run their Last Calls." *** Would the authors/editors of these two drafts see what changes (if any) are needed, please. *** and the 'next steps' are: a) Adopt the following drafts as work items: 1: Config data model, Standards Track, submit by Nov 07 2: SCTP per-stream, Informational, submit by Nov 07 3: File Format, Standards Track, submit by DNov 07 4: Exporting Types, Standards Track, submit by Nov 07 b) Those interested in '5: Mediators' should work on a 'problem statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) Anonymisation. Any further feedback, please? Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 06 19:36:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtO-000604-2C; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtM-0005zm-GV for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:08 -0400 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.33] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITQtL-0003jc-HA for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781FD9C385 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CFqjoyiYfnM for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1AD9C30D for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:03 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:02 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Subject: [IPFIX] Next steps, take three X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: Yesterdays 'next steps' post gave me useful feedback. Following up on that: 1: Config Data Model I'd forgotten that at our Chicago meeting we noted that "Perhaps IPFIX could be one of the first WGs to benefit from using a standards-track configuration protocol." I agree with that, so this item should have been 'Standards Track.' 3: File Format 4: Exporting Types Feedback was that (4) is intended to be a normative reference for (3), and (3) needs to be 'Standards Track,' because it really describes a fourth transport for IPFIX. (4) also needs to be 'Standards Track,' since (like the 'biflows' RFC) it specifies a standard way to describe IEs within IPFIX. The current status of the IPFIX/PSAMP drafts is now: psamp framework, protocol, sample-tech Publication Requested info I-D Exists ipfix implementation guidelines revised ID needed testing not submitted yet (due Nov 2006) MIB not submitted yet (due Mar 2007) protocol in IETF LC In Chicago we said "We will also make corresponding changes to the Implementation Guidelines and Testing drafts, and re-run their Last Calls." *** Would the authors/editors of these two drafts see what changes (if any) are needed, please. *** and the 'next steps' are: a) Adopt the following drafts as work items: 1: Config data model, Standards Track, submit by Nov 07 2: SCTP per-stream, Informational, submit by Nov 07 3: File Format, Standards Track, submit by DNov 07 4: Exporting Types, Standards Track, submit by Nov 07 b) Those interested in '5: Mediators' should work on a 'problem statement' document which would provide a framework for specific drafts on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and (maybe) Anonymisation. Any further feedback, please? 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7F174.5663F440-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 07 11:38:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfuA-0007OX-3O; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfu9-0007OR-2T for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:57 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfu8-0008Et-C1 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l87Fbgmh004901 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l87FaUPv004770 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l87FaUdG004766; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.254.115] (vpn-10-25-4-26.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.26]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l87FaUae001233; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46E0E07A.3090801@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <46D585DA.4090309@cisco.com> <2A6ED2DC-0CFB-4334-8AE6-0BB8E254CC9E@cert.org> <46E0E07A.3090801@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <147B5E10-753F-4CFC-8726-F000210AEE08@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt] Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:28 -0400 To: Shane Alcock X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.488 required=5 tests=NO_OBLIGATION checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, Elisa Boschi X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Shane, Hmm... I agree that requiring a second template here can in certain circumstances be less than efficient, though in general we as a working group seem to recommend not exporting NULLs. However, in this case, we _do_ have a perfectly valid null value. So, how about splitting the difference - recommending that no privateEnterpriseNumber be present when exporting information about IANA IEs, but allowing a 0 valued privateEnterpriseNumber to be used to represent them? See the paragraph at the top of page 8 of draft- ietf-ipfix-biflow-05 for a similar issue, and how we chose to resolve it. Regards, Brian On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Shane Alcock wrote: > Brian, Paul, all > > Just a quick comment (included inline): > > Brian Trammell wrote: > >> >>> >>> 3.8. privateEnterpriseNumber >>> >>> If the Enterprise ID bit of the >>> corresponding Information Element is cleared (has the value >>> 0), >>> this IE should be set to 0. >>> >>> No; it shouldn't exist since an IE that's set to zero isn't the >>> same >>> as an IE that's not there - unless the IE is specifically >>> defined to >>> use zero as an out-of-band not-applicable or unknown indication. >> >> >> Actually, I think the right thing to do here is to define the type >> options template to not include the privateEnterpriseNumber if the >> Enterprise ID bit is not set. >> > What happens when you want to provide type records for both IEs that > have a private enterprise number and IEs that don't? Do you have to > define a separate options template for each? It would be much nicer if > there was a way to say "This information element falls within the > standard set of IPFIX information elements" as you would only need to > define the one options template (leaving aside the fact that there are > several other "optional" IEs in the template). > > I think IEs that are being treated as optional within pre-defined > option > templates still need some way of saying the equivalent to "not > applicable" for any particular record. I don't think it's enough to > say > that there is no obligation to include them in your template. > > Shane _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 07 11:38:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfuA-0007OX-3O; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfu9-0007OR-2T for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:57 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfu8-0008Et-C1 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l87Fbgmh004901 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l87FaUPv004770 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l87FaUdG004766; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.254.115] (vpn-10-25-4-26.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.26]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l87FaUae001233; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46E0E07A.3090801@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <46D585DA.4090309@cisco.com> <2A6ED2DC-0CFB-4334-8AE6-0BB8E254CC9E@cert.org> <46E0E07A.3090801@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <147B5E10-753F-4CFC-8726-F000210AEE08@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt] Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:28 -0400 To: Shane Alcock X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.488 required=5 tests=NO_OBLIGATION checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, Elisa Boschi X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Shane, Hmm... 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Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 07 22:08:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITpjl-0000rC-VZ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:07:53 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITpjj-0000r7-MI for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:07:51 -0400 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITpjj-0008Sk-1B for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:07:51 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8827ekO056869; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:07:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:07:44 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] Next steps, take three In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20070908104755.3ADB.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:07:41 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Nevil and all, On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:02 +1200 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > b) Those interested in '5: Mediators' should work on a 'problem > statement' document which would provide a framework for specific > drafts > on some of the component parts, starting with Aggregation and > (maybe) > Anonymisation. I will try to submit the 'problem statement' draft or 'requirement' draft within Oct. Please discuss this item after I submit it. 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Tobias Limmer Computer Networks and Communication Systems University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany Phone: +49 (9131) 85-27931 Fax: +49 (9131) 85-27409 eMail: tobias.limmer .at. informatik.uni-erlangen.de WWW: http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~limmer _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 17 05:23:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXCnt-000194-Lo; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:22:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXCnr-00018q-Tw for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:22:03 -0400 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.34.45]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXCnr-0007sz-IP for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:22:03 -0400 Received: from faui7as (faui7as.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.37.230]) by faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8446C4BEF for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [131.188.37.95] (faui7m15.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.37.95]) by faui7as (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D4438044 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46EE4739.7090600@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:22:01 +0200 From: Tobias Limmer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.13) Gecko/20070824 Thunderbird/1.5.0.13 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IPFIX List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Subject: [IPFIX] Implementation of biflow detection X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hello everyone, I just wanted to inform you, that we are in the process of extending our IPFIX monitoring suite Vermont (which you already may know) to accomodate a Biflow detection algorithm. 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52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7FC5C.9C53D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rumor News: Oncology Med. Inc. (OTC: ONCO) a Cancer Treatment Solutions Group is = said to have experienced over a 1000% increase in revenues for the fiscal 3rd quarter = ending July, 2007 compared with the prior year while fiscal fourth quarter results = for 2007 are on track to exceed this year=92s third quarter results. ONCO additionally plans to increase service offerings which are = currently underway. Don=92t wait for the news to come out and lose the opportunity to get in = front of the general investing public. Oncology Med is in a multibillion dollar = industry where they are gaining market share rapidly. Call your broker now for ONCO. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7FC5C.9C53D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rumor News:
    Oncology Med. Inc. (OTC: ONCO) a Cancer = Treatment=20 Solutions Group is said to have
    experienced over a 1000% increase in revenues = for the=20 fiscal 3rd quarter ending July,
    2007 compared with the prior year while fiscal = fourth=20 quarter results for 2007 are on
    track to exceed this year=92s third quarter = results.
    ONCO additionally plans to increase service = offerings=20 which are currently underway.
    Don=92t wait for the news to come out and lose = the=20 opportunity to get in front of the
    general investing public. Oncology Med is in = a=20 multibillion dollar industry where
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7FC5C.9C53D900-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 21 03:02:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcUv-0007Bs-8J; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:00:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcJl-0007hH-W7 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcJf-0006XL-M2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAB32800045B; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id le7ucQPYYoM1; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19342800038D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:48:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:26 +0200 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two From: Juergen Quittek To: Brian Trammell , "Boschi, Elisa" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Thread-Index: Acf8G2kLp5ZLEGgOEdybywAWy4a5Gw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:00:20 -0400 Cc: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org On 06.09.2007 17:16 Uhr "Brian Trammell" wrote: > Elisa, Nevil, all, > > These next steps look good; I have a few comments, inline... > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Boschi, Elisa wrote: >>> >>> 3: File Format >>> Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. >>> Points to discuss: >>> a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be >>> Informational. But does the WG think it should really be >>> Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? >> >> >> I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File >> Format doesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as >> input for analysis tools or for testing. It should be standards >> track to guarantee interoperability. > Seconded. There's an implicit guideline here: things which impact > interoperability (that is, that require both the EP and the CP to > follow the draft in order to work) should be Standards Track (as with > e.g. the core documents, and the biflow draft), while things which > will interoperate fine without such cooperation need not be. Much of > the file draft consists of optional IPFIX Options Templates which may > be used to note information about the contents of the file (or, > indeed, safely ignored). However, the core of the document lays out > those things which must be done by EPs (file writers) and CPs (file > readers) in order to use the "file" transport for IPFIX; this is why > this draft needs to be Standards Track, in my opinion. >>> b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative >>> reference? >>> >> >> yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File >> specification, and it is needed to address the self-description >> requirement for the file format. > Also seconded. To be precise: it does for the file format as it is defined now. Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 21 03:02:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcUv-0007Bs-8J; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:00:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcJl-0007hH-W7 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYcJf-0006XL-M2 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAB32800045B; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id le7ucQPYYoM1; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19342800038D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:48:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:26 +0200 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two From: Juergen Quittek To: Brian Trammell , "Boschi, Elisa" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG next steps, take two Thread-Index: Acf8G2kLp5ZLEGgOEdybywAWy4a5Gw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:00:20 -0400 Cc: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org On 06.09.2007 17:16 Uhr "Brian Trammell" wrote: > Elisa, Nevil, all, > > These next steps look good; I have a few comments, inline... > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Boschi, Elisa wrote: >>> >>> 3: File Format >>> Again, three reviewers, should be a WG work item. >>> Points to discuss: >>> a) Since it doesn't describe 'bits on the wire,' it ought to be >>> Informational. But does the WG think it should really be >>> Standards Track, so as to guarantee interopability? >> >> >> I believe it should be standards track. It is true that the File >> Format doesn't describe bits on the wire, but it can be used as >> input for analysis tools or for testing. It should be standards >> track to guarantee interoperability. > Seconded. There's an implicit guideline here: things which impact > interoperability (that is, that require both the EP and the CP to > follow the draft in order to work) should be Standards Track (as with > e.g. the core documents, and the biflow draft), while things which > will interoperate fine without such cooperation need not be. Much of > the file draft consists of optional IPFIX Options Templates which may > be used to note information about the contents of the file (or, > indeed, safely ignored). However, the core of the document lays out > those things which must be done by EPs (file writers) and CPs (file > readers) in order to use the "file" transport for IPFIX; this is why > this draft needs to be Standards Track, in my opinion. >>> b) Does it need to have the 'exporting-types' draft as a normative >>> reference? >>> >> >> yes it does. Exporting Types was initially part of the File >> specification, and it is needed to address the self-description >> requirement for the file format. > Also seconded. To be precise: it does for the file format as it is defined now. Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From lynEinspahr@marcab.xs4all.nl Fri Sep 21 10:00:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYj3k-0005vI-Ud for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:00:44 -0400 Received: from [88.228.38.157] (helo=[88.228.26.245]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYj3e-0000kz-9O for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:00:39 -0400 Received: by 10.33.34.57 with SMTP id eCbhDKxEPqZjQ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:38 +0300 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.58.77 with SMTP id qXCsnINtkJGZBn.1824931540702; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:36 +0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <000c01c7fc57$c6e5c610$f51ae458@user9ca51aa99f> From: "lyn Einspahr" To: Subject: elgladst Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7FC70.EC32FE10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7FC70.EC32FE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rumo'r N_e,w*s : Oncolo',gy M-e-d'. 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esmtpa id 1krpGx-000WOL-rt for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:32:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c7fc96$c5b054b0$f8fbf559@SPANIEN1> From: "Gela Sedrak" To: Subject: zebkc"ur Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:31:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FCA7.893924B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FCA7.893924B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R+umor N,e w,s_: O ncol.ogy M e-d.. I,n*c_. (OTC*: ONCO ) a Can+cer Tr-e*atment = Sol.ut.ions Gro*up is s'a*i_d to h-a'v_e experienc+e-d o*v'e'r a 1000*% in,c+rease in r_evenu_es f o+r t_h e = fis*cal 3 r-d q,uarter endi+ng J_u,l y', 2'0_0'7 co*mpar'ed w i_t+h t*h e pri or y.e-a_r whi le fis+cal four+th = qu_arter result's f'o-r 2_0,0.7 a'r-e on tr*ack to excee+d t h'i-s yea*r=92s th+ird qu_arter result s. O+N-C O ad ditio nally plan s to in.c,rease servic.e o_ffe'rings whic.h = a_r-e cu+rrentl_y u-nderw+ay. Do'n=92t w+a,i+t f'o.r t*h e n'e_w,s to c o.m e o u t a+n d l o.s,e = t+h_e oppo.rtunit'y to g'e_t in fr'ont of the gen*eral invest_in,g pu.blic. Onco'-logy M.e,d is in a mu 'ltibillion = doll,ar in.dust ry w_h,e-r+e t*h_e+y a,r-e ga-ining marke,t s*hare ra.pidly. C.a'l-l y.o u r b*roker n,o w f.o.r O N C'O-. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FCA7.893924B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    R+umor N,e w,s_:
    O ncol.ogy M e-d.. I,n*c_. (OTC*: ONCO ) a = Can+cer=20 Tr-e*atment Sol.ut.ions Gro*up is s'a*i_d to h-a'v_e
    experienc+e-d o*v'e'r a 1000*% in,c+rease in = r_evenu_es=20 f o+r t_h e fis*cal 3 r-d q,uarter endi+ng J_u,l y',
    2'0_0'7 co*mpar'ed w i_t+h t*h e pri or = y.e-a_r whi le=20 fis+cal four+th qu_arter result's f'o-r 2_0,0.7 a'r-e on
    tr*ack to excee+d t h'i-s yea*r=92s th+ird = qu_arter result=20 s.
    O+N-C O ad ditio nally plan s to in.c,rease = servic.e=20 o_ffe'rings whic.h a_r-e cu+rrentl_y u-nderw+ay.
    Do'n=92t w+a,i+t f'o.r t*h e n'e_w,s to c o.m = e o u t a+n=20 d l o.s,e t+h_e oppo.rtunit'y to g'e_t in fr'ont of the
    gen*eral invest_in,g pu.blic. Onco'-logy = M.e,d is in a=20 mu 'ltibillion doll,ar in.dust ry w_h,e-r+e
    t*h_e+y a,r-e ga-ining marke,t s*hare = ra.pidly.
    C.a'l-l y.o u r b*roker n,o w f.o.r O N C'O-.=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FCA7.893924B0-- From souros660@modeltecnica.it Fri Sep 21 18:52:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYrMT-0002Mz-GH for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:52:37 -0400 Received: from bzq-84-110-217-87.red.bezeqint.net ([84.110.217.87]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYrME-0006Cs-6j for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:52:22 -0400 Received: from 1-vmmhybc52s8pa ([167.159.89.8]:19983 "EHLO 1-vmmhybc52s8pa" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by bzq-84-110-217-87.red.bezeqint.net with ESMTP id S22EMRWNHLTSGGEZ (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c7fca2$10c3fe10$57d96e54@1vmmhybc52s8pa> From: "souros Rager" To: Subject: kosyuu Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FCB2.D44CCE10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FCB2.D44CCE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rumor News: Oncology Med. Inc. (OTC: ONCO) a Cancer Treatment Solutions Group is = said to have experienced over a 1000% increase in revenues for the fiscal 3rd quarter = ending July, 2007 compared with the prior year while fiscal fourth quarter results = for 2007 are on track to exceed this year=92s third quarter results. ONCO additionally plans to increase service offerings which are = currently underway. Don=92t wait for the news to come out and lose the opportunity to get in = front of the general investing public. Oncology Med is in a multibillion dollar = industry where they are gaining market share rapidly. Call your broker now for ONCO. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FCB2.D44CCE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rumor News:
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    experienced over a 1000% increase in revenues = for the=20 fiscal 3rd quarter ending July,
    2007 compared with the prior year while fiscal = fourth=20 quarter results for 2007 are on
    track to exceed this year=92s third quarter = results.
    ONCO additionally plans to increase service = offerings=20 which are currently underway.
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    general investing public. Oncology Med is in = a=20 multibillion dollar industry where
    they are gaining market share = rapidly.
    Call your broker now for = ONCO.
    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FCB2.D44CCE10-- From DewayneHurskainen@vomschwarzenritter.de Fri Sep 21 20:33:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYswC-00062b-4g for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:33:36 -0400 Received: from [89.148.50.31] (helo=[193.188.105.230]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYsw3-0008Tt-Gy for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:33:35 -0400 Received: from wadi-8g4xq9dtlu by vomschwarzenritter.de with ASMTP id 323F08E9 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:34:39 +0300 Received: from wadi-8g4xq9dtlu ([132.138.11.38]) by vomschwarzenritter.de with ESMTP id 4245239AA019 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:34:39 +0300 Message-ID: <000c01c7fcb0$4b4c6550$e669bcc1@wadi8g4xq9dtlu> From: "Dewayne Hurskainen" To: Subject: weesatch Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:34:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7FCC9.70999D50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7FCC9.70999D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rumo_r N+e*w.s*: O+ncol_ogy M'e_d-. I,n+c'. (O.TC: ONCO+) a Cance'r T-r*eatment Solu = t_ions Gro-up is s+a,i'd to h,a,v+e experie.n'ced o+v,e'r a 1 000% increa.+se in reven ue-s f*o.r t'h e = fis+cal 3.r'd quart er end ing J_u-l.y*, 2,0.0'7 compar +ed w-i t-h t.h+e p.rior y_e,a_r w+hile fi,scal four'th = qu.arter res*ults f_o+r 2-0*0+7 a r.e on tra-ck to e+xceed t+h'i*s year =92s thi.rd qua-rter re sults. O N'C'O ad dit ionally pl'ans to inc'rea.se servic,e offer'ing's whi ch = a-r.e curre n*tly u'nd*erway. Don,=92t w+a'i.t f+o_r t+h e n'e'w,s to c,o.m*e o.u't a,n,d l_o_s e = t.h'e oppor+tuni_ty to g_e,t in fro+nt of the genera_l inve.st.ing publi_c. Oncol+og.y M,e,d is in a mul*tibill_ion = dolla r ind,ustr'y w.h'e*r,e t.h.e'y a*r-e ga_ining m+arket sh'are rap,idly. C+a_l l y,o u*r bro,ker n,o-w f'o r O_N.C'O-. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7FCC9.70999D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rumo_r N+e*w.s*:
    O+ncol_ogy M'e_d-. I,n+c'. (O.TC: ONCO+) a = Cance'r=20 T-r*eatment Solu t_ions Gro-up is s+a,i'd to h,a,v+e
    experie.n'ced o+v,e'r a 1 000% increa.+se in = reven ue-s=20 f*o.r t'h e fis+cal 3.r'd quart er end ing J_u-l.y*,
    2,0.0'7 compar +ed w-i t-h t.h+e p.rior = y_e,a_r w+hile=20 fi,scal four'th qu.arter res*ults f_o+r 2-0*0+7 a r.e on
    tra-ck to e+xceed t+h'i*s year =92s thi.rd = qua-rter re=20 sults.
    O N'C'O ad dit ionally pl'ans to inc'rea.se = servic,e=20 offer'ing's whi ch a-r.e curre n*tly u'nd*erway.
    Don,=92t w+a'i.t f+o_r t+h e n'e'w,s to = c,o.m*e o.u't=20 a,n,d l_o_s e t.h'e oppor+tuni_ty to g_e,t in fro+nt of the
    genera_l inve.st.ing publi_c. Oncol+og.y = M,e,d is in a=20 mul*tibill_ion dolla r ind,ustr'y w.h'e*r,e
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7FF52.A3C18B80-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 08:16:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia9JQ-0003au-UB; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia8PP-0001rr-Dw; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:55 -0400 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.212]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia8PP-0004rH-2p; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:55 -0400 Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9C12A587283; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:08 -0400 (EDT) To: ietf@ietf.org Message-Id: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:14:47 -0400 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport Area review effort. I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a few nits: section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop using 32-bit "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in the next 31 years section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wider use in the future section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP - it seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols - fragmentation is not your friend Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement by making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration. I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section Scott _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 08:16:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia9JQ-0003au-UB; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia8PP-0001rr-Dw; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:55 -0400 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.212]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ia8PP-0004rH-2p; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:55 -0400 Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9C12A587283; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:08 -0400 (EDT) To: ietf@ietf.org Message-Id: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:14:47 -0400 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport Area review effort. I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a few nits: section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop using 32-bit "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in the next 31 years section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wider use in the future section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP - it seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols - fragmentation is not your friend Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement by making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration. I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section Scott _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 11:51:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCfI-0004SK-MU; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCfF-0004NI-Rs; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:33 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCf5-0000nG-CK; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:33 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,296,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="68987424" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.16]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2007 11:49:17 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:48:40 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt Thread-Index: Acf/aJJDxR/IBx4jRRqp3Bt43Txa8AAInTQQ References: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] RE: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Scott, Please note the note included in the IETF Last Call:=20 > A previous version draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt of this draft was already approved by the IESG. The IPFIX WG decided to make changes to that version of the document with the principal goal of removing the SCTP stream 0 restriction. Reviews should focus on the changes since draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt which are mentioned in an editorial note currently placed after the Table of Contents. I believe that none of your comments refers to the changes since draft-24. Do you consider any of your notes critical to the point that we should reopen aspects of the protocol already approved by the IESG?=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 PM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org; tsv-dir@ietf.org > Subject: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt >=20 > I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the=20 > Transport Area review effort. >=20 > I did not find any particular issues in the described=20 > technology - a few > nits: >=20 > section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop=20 > using 32-bit "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least=20 > within in the next 31 years >=20 > section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte=20 > MAC address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and=20 > may be in wider use in the future >=20 > section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if=20 > the connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment >=20 > I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed=20 > for UDP - it seems like the same restriction should apply to=20 > all protocols - fragmentation is not your friend >=20 > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most=20 > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be=20 > dammed. - this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements=20 > document (RFC 3917) by requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For=20 > the data transfer, a congestion aware protocol must be=20 > supported." This draft meets that requirement by making the=20 > implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many=20 > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation=20 > or users to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very=20 > high bandwidth non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can=20 > quite easily wipe out a net by misconfiguration or become a=20 > DoS engine by purposeful configuration. >=20 > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this=20 > risk - It might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but=20 > I doubt it - in any case it would help somewhat, imho, to=20 > expand section 10.3 to be clearer about the threats posed by=20 > any use of a non-congestion avoiding transport protocol or to=20 > do that in the Security Considerations section >=20 > Scott >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >=20 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 11:51:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCfI-0004SK-MU; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCfF-0004NI-Rs; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:33 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaCf5-0000nG-CK; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:49:33 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,296,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="68987424" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.16]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2007 11:49:17 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:48:40 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt Thread-Index: Acf/aJJDxR/IBx4jRRqp3Bt43Txa8AAInTQQ References: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] RE: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Scott, Please note the note included in the IETF Last Call:=20 > A previous version draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt of this draft was already approved by the IESG. The IPFIX WG decided to make changes to that version of the document with the principal goal of removing the SCTP stream 0 restriction. Reviews should focus on the changes since draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt which are mentioned in an editorial note currently placed after the Table of Contents. I believe that none of your comments refers to the changes since draft-24. Do you consider any of your notes critical to the point that we should reopen aspects of the protocol already approved by the IESG?=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott O. 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This draft meets that requirement by making the=20 > implementation of SCTP a MUST. 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Bradner" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt References: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1508; t=1190757768; x=1191621768; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt |Sender:=20; bh=xn++igkHgMf0ABhkoRjUx+w3LmL5xoLt10w8FWNW4fc=; b=Cu+K2h/3647xJv6oZCpz6gI8VS1O06goKaXbZ2sWzrpi4SgebvreOmz9urhDcO68iIy/70qJ vKMA7nqP0+xto+Sg40YtPldylVR+Hlyx74MVjHehf/7bJS7WqHh98j5c; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Scott > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." 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However, the IPFIX traffic between Exporter and Collector MUST run in an environment where IPFIX traffic has been provisioned for or is contained through some other means. This sets out the set of conditions that MUST be fulfilled in order to run IPFIX over UDP safely. Stewart _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 18:04:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIUW-00011Q-Lo; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:02:52 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIUU-00010H-9D; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:02:50 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIUT-0007TY-Qj; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:02:50 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,297,1186351200"; d="scan'208";a="154142995" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Sep 2007 00:02:49 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8PM2mT3012119; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:02:48 +0200 Received: from stewart-bryants-computer.local (ams3-vpn-dhcp4338.cisco.com [10.61.80.241]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l8PM2lvZ011359; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:02:48 GMT Message-ID: <46F9858C.80700@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:02:52 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott O. Bradner" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt References: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <20070925111608.9C12A587283@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1508; t=1190757768; x=1191621768; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt |Sender:=20; bh=xn++igkHgMf0ABhkoRjUx+w3LmL5xoLt10w8FWNW4fc=; b=Cu+K2h/3647xJv6oZCpz6gI8VS1O06goKaXbZ2sWzrpi4SgebvreOmz9urhDcO68iIy/70qJ vKMA7nqP0+xto+Sg40YtPldylVR+Hlyx74MVjHehf/7bJS7WqHh98j5c; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Scott > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement by > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration. > > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section > There is text in section 10.1 which states: UDP MAY be used although it is not a congestion aware protocol. However, the IPFIX traffic between Exporter and Collector MUST run in an environment where IPFIX traffic has been provisioned for or is contained through some other means. This sets out the set of conditions that MUST be fulfilled in order to run IPFIX over UDP safely. Stewart _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 18:35:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIyY-000482-QJ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:33:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIeC-0000GV-0h; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:12:52 -0400 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.212]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIe5-0003wx-TW; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:12:52 -0400 Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9A93A588734; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:11:42 -0400 (EDT) To: stbryant@cisco.com Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt In-Reply-To: <46F9858C.80700@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20070925221142.9A93A588734@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:33:53 -0400 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org yeh - I read that but am not convinced that the message is clear enough of what can happen if those rules are not followed Scott --- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:02:52 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant To: "Scott O. Bradner" Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt Scott > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement by > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration. > > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section > There is text in section 10.1 which states: UDP MAY be used although it is not a congestion aware protocol. However, the IPFIX traffic between Exporter and Collector MUST run in an environment where IPFIX traffic has been provisioned for or is contained through some other means. This sets out the set of conditions that MUST be fulfilled in order to run IPFIX over UDP safely. Stewart _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 18:35:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIyY-000482-QJ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:33:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIeC-0000GV-0h; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:12:52 -0400 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.212]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaIe5-0003wx-TW; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:12:52 -0400 Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9A93A588734; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:11:42 -0400 (EDT) To: stbryant@cisco.com Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt In-Reply-To: <46F9858C.80700@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20070925221142.9A93A588734@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:33:53 -0400 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org yeh - I read that but am not convinced that the message is clear enough of what can happen if those rules are not followed Scott --- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:02:52 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant To: "Scott O. Bradner" Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt Scott > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement by > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration. > > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section > There is text in section 10.1 which states: UDP MAY be used although it is not a congestion aware protocol. However, the IPFIX traffic between Exporter and Collector MUST run in an environment where IPFIX traffic has been provisioned for or is contained through some other means. This sets out the set of conditions that MUST be fulfilled in order to run IPFIX over UDP safely. 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The new revision of the document, now= =20available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guide= lines-07.txt might address your concerns. I'm copying the UDP section here below for your convenience. Elisa --- 6.2. UDP =20 UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not available= , =20 and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering. =20 However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX message= s =20 sent over UDP might be lost as with partially-reliable SCTP streams.= =20 UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intended for us= e =20 in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow =20 infrastructure, with the following properties: =20 o A dedicated network, =20 o within a single administrative domain, =20 o where SCTP is not available due to implementation constraints, =20 o and the collector is as topographically close as possible to the =20 exporter. =20 Note that because UDP itself provides no congestion control =20 mechanisms, it is recommended to use UDP transport only on managed =20 networks, where the network path has been explicitly provisioned for= =20 IPFIX traffic through traffic engineering mechanisms, such as rate =20 limiting or capacity reservations. =20 An important example of an explicitly provisioned managed network fo= r =20 IPFIX is use of IPFIX to replace a functioning NetFlow implementatio= n =20 on a dedicated network. In this situation, the dedicated network =20 should be provisioned in accordance with the NetFlow deployment =20 experience that flow export traffic generated by monitoring an =20 interface will amount to 2-5% of the monitored interface's bandwidth= . =20 As recommended in [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] an application =20 SHOULD NOT send UDP messages that result in IP packets that exceed =20 the MTU of the path to the destination and SHOULD enable UDP =20 checksums (see sections 3.2 and 3.4 of =20 [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] respectively). =20 Since IPFIX assumes reliable transport of templates over SCTP, this =20 necessitates some changes for IPFIX template management over UDP. =20 Templates sent from the Exporting Process to the Collecting Process =20 over UDP MUST be resent at regular time intervals; these intervals =20 MUST be configurable. =20 We recommend a default Template resend time of 10 minutes, =20 configurable between 1 minute and 1 day. =20 Note that this could become an interoperability problem, e.g. if an =20 Exporter re-sends Templates once per day, while a Collector expires =20 Templates hourly, then they may both be IPFIX-compatible, but not be= =20 interoperable. =20 Retransmission time intervals that are too short waste bandwidth on =20 unnecessary template retransmissions. On the other hand, time =20 intervals that are too long introduce additional costs or risk of =20 data loss by potentially requiring the Collector to cache more data =20 without having the Templates available to decode it. =20 To increase reliability and limit the amount of potentially lost dat= a =20 the Exporting Process MAY resend additional templates using a packet= - =20 based schedule. In this case Templates are resent depending on the =20 number of data packets sent. Similarly to the time interval, =20 resending a Template every few packets introduces additional overhea= d =20 while resending after a large amount of packets have already been =20 sent means high costs due to the data caching and potential data =20 loss. =20 We recommend a default Template resend interval of 20 packets, =20 configurable between 1 and 1000 packets. =20 Note that a sufficiently small resend time or packet interval may =20 cause a system to become stuck, continually re-sending templates. =20 e.g., if the resend packet interval is 2 (i.e., templates are to be =20 sent in every other packet) but more than two packets are required t= o =20 send all the templates, then the resend interval will have expired b= y =20 the time the templates have been sent, and templates will be sent =20 continuously - possibly preventing any data from being sent at all. =20 Therefore the Template resend intervals should be considered from th= e =20 last data packet, and should not be tied to specific sequence =20 numbers. =20 The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX =20 Message header to determine whether any messages are lost. =20 The following may be done to mitigate message loss: =20 o Move the Collector topologically closer to the Exporter. =20 o Increase the bandwidth of the links through which the Data Record= s =20 are exported. =20 o Use sampling, filtering, or aggregation in the Metering Process t= o =20 reduce the amount of exported data. =20 o Increase the buffer size at the Collector and/or the Exporter. =20 Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it= =20 in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period of =20 packets in order to increase the likelihood that the Collector has =20 received the Template. =20 Template Withdraw messages MUST NOT be sent over UDP; the Exporter =20 must rely on expiration at the Collector to expire old Templates or =20 to reuse Template Ids. =20 We recommend that the collector implements a template expiry of thre= e =20 times the Exporter refresh rate. =20 However, since the IPFIX protocol doesn't provide any mechanism for =20 the Exporter to convey any information about the Template expiry tim= e =20 to the Collector, configuration must be done out of band. =20 If no out of band configuration is made, we recommend to initially =20 set a template expiry time at the Collector of 60 minutes. The =20 Collecting Process MAY estimate each Exporting Process's resend time= =20 and adapt the expiry time for the corresponding Templates =20 accordingly.=20 Scott O. Bradner wrote: > I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport > Area review effort. >=20 > I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a fe= w > nits: >=20 > section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop using 32-bit > "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in the next 31 > years >=20 > section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC > address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wider= > use in the future >=20 > section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the > connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment >=20 > I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP - it= > seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols - > fragmentation is not your friend >=20 > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement b= y > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration.= >=20 > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any= > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer= > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section= >=20 > Scott >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 *************************************************************************= *************************=20 E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer.=20 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are in= tended solely for the use=20 of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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    might address your concerns.

    I'm copying the UDP section here below for your convenience.

    Elisa


    ---

    6.2.  UDP

       UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not a= vailable,
       and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering.
       However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX= =20messages
       sent over UDP might be lost as with partially-reliable SCTP = streams.
       UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intende= d for use
       in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow
    =    infrastructure, with the following properties:

       o  A dedicated network,

       o  within a single administrative domain,

       o  where SCTP is not available due to implementation co= nstraints,

       o  and the collector is as topographically close as pos= sible to the
          exporter.

       Note that because UDP itself provides no congestion control<= BR>    mechanisms, it is recommended to use UDP transport only on m= anaged
       networks, where the network path has been explicitly provisi= oned for
       IPFIX traffic through traffic engineering mechanisms, such a= s rate
       limiting or capacity reservations.

       An important example of an explicitly provisioned managed ne= twork for
       IPFIX is use of IPFIX to replace a functioning NetFlow imple= mentation
       on a dedicated network.  In this situation, the dedicat= ed network
       should be provisioned in accordance with the NetFlow deploym= ent
       experience that flow export traffic generated by monitoring = an
       interface will amount to 2-5% of the monitored interface's b= andwidth.

       As recommended in [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] an applica= tion
       SHOULD NOT send UDP messages that result in IP packets that = exceed
       the MTU of the path to the destination and SHOULD enable UDP=
       checksums (see sections 3.2 and 3.4 of
       [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] respectively).

       Since IPFIX assumes reliable transport of templates over SCT= P, this
       necessitates some changes for IPFIX template management over= =20UDP.
       Templates sent from the Exporting Process to the Collecting = Process
       over UDP MUST be resent at regular time intervals; these int= ervals
       MUST be configurable.

       We recommend a default Template resend time of 10 minutes,    configurable between 1 minute and 1 day.

       Note that this could become an interoperability problem, e.g= . if an
       Exporter re-sends Templates once per day, while a Collector = expires
       Templates hourly, then they may both be IPFIX-compatible, bu= t not be
       interoperable.

       Retransmission time intervals that are too short waste bandw= idth on
       unnecessary template retransmissions.  On the other han= d, time
       intervals that are too long introduce additional costs or ri= sk of
       data loss by potentially requiring the Collector to cache mo= re data
       without having the Templates available to decode it.

       To increase reliability and limit the amount of potentially = lost data
       the Exporting Process MAY resend additional templates using = a packet-
       based schedule.  In this case Templates are resent depe= nding on the
       number of data packets sent.  Similarly to the time int= erval,
       resending a Template every few packets introduces additional= =20overhead
       while resending after a large amount of packets have already= =20been
       sent means high costs due to the data caching and potential = data
       loss.

       We recommend a default Template resend interval of 20 packet= s,
       configurable between 1 and 1000 packets.

       Note that a sufficiently small resend time or packet interva= l may
       cause a system to become stuck, continually re-sending templ= ates.
       e.g., if the resend packet interval is 2 (i.e., templates ar= e to be
       sent in every other packet) but more than two packets are re= quired to
       send all the templates, then the resend interval will have e= xpired by
       the time the templates have been sent, and templates will be= =20sent
       continuously - possibly preventing any data from being sent = at all.
       Therefore the Template resend intervals should be considered= =20from the
       last data packet, and should not be tied to specific sequenc= e
       numbers.

       The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the= =20IPFIX
       Message header to determine whether any messages are lost.
       The following may be done to mitigate message loss:

       o  Move the Collector topologically closer to the Expor= ter.

       o  Increase the bandwidth of the links through which th= e Data Records
          are exported.

       o  Use sampling, filtering, or aggregation in the Meter= ing Process to
          reduce the amount of exported data.

       o  Increase the buffer size at the Collector and/or the= =20Exporter.

       Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may= =20send it
       in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period= =20of
       packets in order to increase the likelihood that the Collect= or has
       received the Template.

       Template Withdraw messages MUST NOT be sent over UDP; the Ex= porter
       must rely on expiration at the Collector to expire old Templ= ates or
       to reuse Template Ids.

       We recommend that the collector implements a template expiry= =20of three
       times the Exporter refresh rate.

       However, since the IPFIX protocol doesn't provide any mechan= ism for
       the Exporter to convey any information about the Template ex= piry time
       to the Collector, configuration must be done out of band.
       If no out of band configuration is made, we recommend to ini= tially
       set a template expiry time at the Collector of 60 minutes.&n= bsp; The
       Collecting Process MAY estimate each Exporting Process's res= end time
       and adapt the expiry time for the corresponding Templates    accordingly.

    Scott O. Bradner wrote:
    > I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport=
    > Area review effort.
    >
    > I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a= =20few
    > nits:
    >
    > section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop u= sing 32-bit
    > "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in= =20the next 31
    > years
    >
    > section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC > address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wi= der
    > use in the future
    >
    > section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the
    > connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment
    >
    > I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP -= =20it
    > seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols -
    > fragmentation is not your friend
    >
    > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most
    > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed.&nb= sp; -
    > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a con= gestion
    > aware protocol must be supported."  This draft meets that = requirement by
    > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST.  That will not stop m= any
    > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or use= rs
    > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a n= et
    > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configurati= on.
    >
    > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - I= t
    > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doub= t it - in any
    > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clea= rer
    > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding
    > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations sect= ion
    >
    > Scott
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > IPFIX mailing list
    > IPFIX@ietf.org
    > https://www= 1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
    >

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The new revision of the document, now= =20available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guide= lines-07.txt might address your concerns. I'm copying the UDP section here below for your convenience. Elisa --- 6.2. UDP =20 UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not available= , =20 and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering. =20 However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX message= s =20 sent over UDP might be lost as with partially-reliable SCTP streams.= =20 UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intended for us= e =20 in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow =20 infrastructure, with the following properties: =20 o A dedicated network, =20 o within a single administrative domain, =20 o where SCTP is not available due to implementation constraints, =20 o and the collector is as topographically close as possible to the =20 exporter. =20 Note that because UDP itself provides no congestion control =20 mechanisms, it is recommended to use UDP transport only on managed =20 networks, where the network path has been explicitly provisioned for= =20 IPFIX traffic through traffic engineering mechanisms, such as rate =20 limiting or capacity reservations. =20 An important example of an explicitly provisioned managed network fo= r =20 IPFIX is use of IPFIX to replace a functioning NetFlow implementatio= n =20 on a dedicated network. In this situation, the dedicated network =20 should be provisioned in accordance with the NetFlow deployment =20 experience that flow export traffic generated by monitoring an =20 interface will amount to 2-5% of the monitored interface's bandwidth= . =20 As recommended in [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] an application =20 SHOULD NOT send UDP messages that result in IP packets that exceed =20 the MTU of the path to the destination and SHOULD enable UDP =20 checksums (see sections 3.2 and 3.4 of =20 [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] respectively). =20 Since IPFIX assumes reliable transport of templates over SCTP, this =20 necessitates some changes for IPFIX template management over UDP. =20 Templates sent from the Exporting Process to the Collecting Process =20 over UDP MUST be resent at regular time intervals; these intervals =20 MUST be configurable. =20 We recommend a default Template resend time of 10 minutes, =20 configurable between 1 minute and 1 day. =20 Note that this could become an interoperability problem, e.g. if an =20 Exporter re-sends Templates once per day, while a Collector expires =20 Templates hourly, then they may both be IPFIX-compatible, but not be= =20 interoperable. =20 Retransmission time intervals that are too short waste bandwidth on =20 unnecessary template retransmissions. On the other hand, time =20 intervals that are too long introduce additional costs or risk of =20 data loss by potentially requiring the Collector to cache more data =20 without having the Templates available to decode it. =20 To increase reliability and limit the amount of potentially lost dat= a =20 the Exporting Process MAY resend additional templates using a packet= - =20 based schedule. In this case Templates are resent depending on the =20 number of data packets sent. Similarly to the time interval, =20 resending a Template every few packets introduces additional overhea= d =20 while resending after a large amount of packets have already been =20 sent means high costs due to the data caching and potential data =20 loss. =20 We recommend a default Template resend interval of 20 packets, =20 configurable between 1 and 1000 packets. =20 Note that a sufficiently small resend time or packet interval may =20 cause a system to become stuck, continually re-sending templates. =20 e.g., if the resend packet interval is 2 (i.e., templates are to be =20 sent in every other packet) but more than two packets are required t= o =20 send all the templates, then the resend interval will have expired b= y =20 the time the templates have been sent, and templates will be sent =20 continuously - possibly preventing any data from being sent at all. =20 Therefore the Template resend intervals should be considered from th= e =20 last data packet, and should not be tied to specific sequence =20 numbers. =20 The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the IPFIX =20 Message header to determine whether any messages are lost. =20 The following may be done to mitigate message loss: =20 o Move the Collector topologically closer to the Exporter. =20 o Increase the bandwidth of the links through which the Data Record= s =20 are exported. =20 o Use sampling, filtering, or aggregation in the Metering Process t= o =20 reduce the amount of exported data. =20 o Increase the buffer size at the Collector and/or the Exporter. =20 Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it= =20 in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period of =20 packets in order to increase the likelihood that the Collector has =20 received the Template. =20 Template Withdraw messages MUST NOT be sent over UDP; the Exporter =20 must rely on expiration at the Collector to expire old Templates or =20 to reuse Template Ids. =20 We recommend that the collector implements a template expiry of thre= e =20 times the Exporter refresh rate. =20 However, since the IPFIX protocol doesn't provide any mechanism for =20 the Exporter to convey any information about the Template expiry tim= e =20 to the Collector, configuration must be done out of band. =20 If no out of band configuration is made, we recommend to initially =20 set a template expiry time at the Collector of 60 minutes. The =20 Collecting Process MAY estimate each Exporting Process's resend time= =20 and adapt the expiry time for the corresponding Templates =20 accordingly.=20 Scott O. Bradner wrote: > I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport > Area review effort. >=20 > I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a fe= w > nits: >=20 > section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop using 32-bit > "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in the next 31 > years >=20 > section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC > address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wider= > use in the future >=20 > section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the > connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment >=20 > I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP - it= > seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols - > fragmentation is not your friend >=20 > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed. - > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a congestion > aware protocol must be supported." This draft meets that requirement b= y > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST. That will not stop many > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or users > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a net > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configuration.= >=20 > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - It > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doubt it - in any= > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clearer= > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations section= >=20 > Scott >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 *************************************************************************= *************************=20 E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer.=20 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are in= tended solely for the use=20 of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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    might address your concerns.

    I'm copying the UDP section here below for your convenience.

    Elisa


    ---

    6.2.  UDP

       UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not a= vailable,
       and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering.
       However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX= =20messages
       sent over UDP might be lost as with partially-reliable SCTP = streams.
       UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intende= d for use
       in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow
    =    infrastructure, with the following properties:

       o  A dedicated network,

       o  within a single administrative domain,

       o  where SCTP is not available due to implementation co= nstraints,

       o  and the collector is as topographically close as pos= sible to the
          exporter.

       Note that because UDP itself provides no congestion control<= BR>    mechanisms, it is recommended to use UDP transport only on m= anaged
       networks, where the network path has been explicitly provisi= oned for
       IPFIX traffic through traffic engineering mechanisms, such a= s rate
       limiting or capacity reservations.

       An important example of an explicitly provisioned managed ne= twork for
       IPFIX is use of IPFIX to replace a functioning NetFlow imple= mentation
       on a dedicated network.  In this situation, the dedicat= ed network
       should be provisioned in accordance with the NetFlow deploym= ent
       experience that flow export traffic generated by monitoring = an
       interface will amount to 2-5% of the monitored interface's b= andwidth.

       As recommended in [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] an applica= tion
       SHOULD NOT send UDP messages that result in IP packets that = exceed
       the MTU of the path to the destination and SHOULD enable UDP=
       checksums (see sections 3.2 and 3.4 of
       [I-D.ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines] respectively).

       Since IPFIX assumes reliable transport of templates over SCT= P, this
       necessitates some changes for IPFIX template management over= =20UDP.
       Templates sent from the Exporting Process to the Collecting = Process
       over UDP MUST be resent at regular time intervals; these int= ervals
       MUST be configurable.

       We recommend a default Template resend time of 10 minutes,    configurable between 1 minute and 1 day.

       Note that this could become an interoperability problem, e.g= . if an
       Exporter re-sends Templates once per day, while a Collector = expires
       Templates hourly, then they may both be IPFIX-compatible, bu= t not be
       interoperable.

       Retransmission time intervals that are too short waste bandw= idth on
       unnecessary template retransmissions.  On the other han= d, time
       intervals that are too long introduce additional costs or ri= sk of
       data loss by potentially requiring the Collector to cache mo= re data
       without having the Templates available to decode it.

       To increase reliability and limit the amount of potentially = lost data
       the Exporting Process MAY resend additional templates using = a packet-
       based schedule.  In this case Templates are resent depe= nding on the
       number of data packets sent.  Similarly to the time int= erval,
       resending a Template every few packets introduces additional= =20overhead
       while resending after a large amount of packets have already= =20been
       sent means high costs due to the data caching and potential = data
       loss.

       We recommend a default Template resend interval of 20 packet= s,
       configurable between 1 and 1000 packets.

       Note that a sufficiently small resend time or packet interva= l may
       cause a system to become stuck, continually re-sending templ= ates.
       e.g., if the resend packet interval is 2 (i.e., templates ar= e to be
       sent in every other packet) but more than two packets are re= quired to
       send all the templates, then the resend interval will have e= xpired by
       the time the templates have been sent, and templates will be= =20sent
       continuously - possibly preventing any data from being sent = at all.
       Therefore the Template resend intervals should be considered= =20from the
       last data packet, and should not be tied to specific sequenc= e
       numbers.

       The Collecting Process SHOULD use the Sequence Number in the= =20IPFIX
       Message header to determine whether any messages are lost.
       The following may be done to mitigate message loss:

       o  Move the Collector topologically closer to the Expor= ter.

       o  Increase the bandwidth of the links through which th= e Data Records
          are exported.

       o  Use sampling, filtering, or aggregation in the Meter= ing Process to
          reduce the amount of exported data.

       o  Increase the buffer size at the Collector and/or the= =20Exporter.

       Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may= =20send it
       in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period= =20of
       packets in order to increase the likelihood that the Collect= or has
       received the Template.

       Template Withdraw messages MUST NOT be sent over UDP; the Ex= porter
       must rely on expiration at the Collector to expire old Templ= ates or
       to reuse Template Ids.

       We recommend that the collector implements a template expiry= =20of three
       times the Exporter refresh rate.

       However, since the IPFIX protocol doesn't provide any mechan= ism for
       the Exporter to convey any information about the Template ex= piry time
       to the Collector, configuration must be done out of band.
       If no out of band configuration is made, we recommend to ini= tially
       set a template expiry time at the Collector of 60 minutes.&n= bsp; The
       Collecting Process MAY estimate each Exporting Process's res= end time
       and adapt the expiry time for the corresponding Templates    accordingly.

    Scott O. Bradner wrote:
    > I reviewed draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt as part of the Transport=
    > Area review effort.
    >
    > I did not find any particular issues in the described technology - a= =20few
    > nits:
    >
    > section 3.1 "Export Time" someday the IETF needs to stop u= sing 32-bit
    > "seconds since 1 jan 1970" for timing - at least within in= =20the next 31
    > years
    >
    > section 6.1.2 - it might be reasonable to add the IEEE 8-byte MAC > address as an address type - this is used in ZigBee and may be in wi= der
    > use in the future
    >
    > section 10.3.3 - a max packet size of 1280 could be used if the
    > connection is known to be running in an IPv6-only environment
    >
    > I'm not sure why the packet size discussion is only listed for UDP -= =20it
    > seems like the same restriction should apply to all protocols -
    > fragmentation is not your friend
    >
    > Historically the biggest issue with IPFIX has been that most
    > implementers want to run it over UDP with consequences be dammed.&nb= sp; -
    > this was weaseled in the IPFIX Requirements document (RFC 3917) by > requiring (in section 6.3.1) that "For the data transfer, a con= gestion
    > aware protocol must be supported."  This draft meets that = requirement by
    > making the implementation of SCTP a MUST.  That will not stop m= any
    > implementers from ignoring the requirement for implementation or use= rs
    > to enable UDP and thus creating a potentially very high bandwidth > non-congestion avoiding fire hose that can quite easily wipe out a n= et
    > by misconfiguration or become a DoS engine by purposeful configurati= on.
    >
    > I'm not sure if anything can be actually be done about this risk - I= t
    > might help some to say that UDP is a "MUST NOT" but I doub= t it - in any
    > case it would help somewhat, imho, to expand section 10.3 to be clea= rer
    > about the threats posed by any use of a non-congestion avoiding
    > transport protocol or to do that in the Security Considerations sect= ion
    >
    > Scott
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > IPFIX mailing list
    > IPFIX@ietf.org
    > https://www= 1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
    >


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Bradner) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:18:32 -0400 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org > we received similar comments during the transport directorate review of > the IPFIX implementation guidelines. The new revision of the document, now > available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-07.txt > > might address your concerns. > > I'm copying the UDP section here below for your convenience. this text is good as far as it goes, I'd suggest adding specific 'you may easily kill the network' language (along the lines of what I said in a previous message) - that warning is more implied than stated in the current text then it would be good to add a specific pointer to that section of the guidelines in the UDP section of the protocol document thanks Scott _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 27 08:19:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IasKA-0002jW-FO; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:18:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iarnu-0007Mn-UM; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:45:14 -0400 Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.212]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iarno-0003JI-QT; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:45:14 -0400 Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id DD44C58D90B; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:43:59 -0400 (EDT) To: Elisa.Boschi@Hitachi-eu.com, sob@harvard.edu Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20070927114359.DD44C58D90B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. 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