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(v1.62i) Personal Reply-To: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6141927100.20030725140549@psg.com> To: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements Sender: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:05:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks- After reading the document, I was left with the feeling that it is not clear to me whether the document is simply a recompilation of the material found in other organizations (such as OIF and ITU), or something unique for the IETF. I asked several individual reviewers to read the document and give me their opinions. All of them mentioned similar concerns and indicated that the document should not go forward. Before I can take the document to the IESG, I need to make sure it represents wide consensus within the SUB-IP community and the WG in particular. With this in mind, I would like to ask the WG chairs to initiate another 2-week WG Last Call. I would also like the WG participants to express their opinion on the document, and specifically their support of the document going forward, and the reasons why (if at all) they believe the document would be useful with its current contents. Please make sure you've read the latest version of the draft. Regards -- Alex Zinin IETF SUB-IP Area co-Director _______________________________________________ IP-Optical mailing list IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical From ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Jul 28 12:12:13 2003 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10863 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6SG9kj01039; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:09:46 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6SG6sj01015 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:06:54 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SG6dHa089205 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 1659B443A5; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: ip-optical@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FF3443A4 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SG6U4e022295 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lightwave.chromisys.com (lightwave.chromisys.com [63.102.55.206]) by dusty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SG9ASg024160 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lightwave.chromisys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:05:58 -0700 Message-ID: <9D42C6E086250248810DCADA39CE7EFC972676@nimbus> From: John Drake To: "'Alex Zinin'" , ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: RE: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:05:58 -0700 Alex, I read this draft several months ago and I would agree with your characterization of it. As such, it doesn't seem to serve any particular purpose. Thanks, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Zinin [mailto:zinin@psg.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:06 PM > To: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com > Subject: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements > > > Folks- > > After reading the document, I was left with the feeling that it is > not clear to me whether the document is simply a recompilation of the > material found in other organizations (such as OIF and ITU), or > something unique for the IETF. I asked several individual reviewers > to read the document and give me their opinions. All of them > mentioned similar concerns and indicated that the document should not > go forward. > > Before I can take the document to the IESG, I need to make sure it > represents wide consensus within the SUB-IP community and the WG in > particular. With this in mind, I would like to ask the WG chairs to > initiate another 2-week WG Last Call. I would also like the WG > participants to express their opinion on the document, and > specifically their support of the document going forward, and the > reasons why (if at all) they believe the document would be useful > with its current contents. Please make sure you've read the latest > version of the draft. > > Regards > > -- > Alex Zinin > IETF SUB-IP Area co-Director > > _______________________________________________ > IP-Optical mailing list > IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical > _______________________________________________ IP-Optical mailing list IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical From ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon Jul 28 13:22:10 2003 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13298 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6SHHgj01749; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:17:42 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6SHEhj01719 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:43 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SHERHa089923 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id B679E443A5; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: ip-optical@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADB8443A4 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SHEK1u035382 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by dusty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6SHHESg041474 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h-68-166-232-147.cmbrmaor.covad.net ([68.166.232.147] helo=DD22NQ21) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19hBZf-0006gC-00; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:14:15 -0700 From: "James Luciani" To: "'John Drake'" , "'Alex Zinin'" , Subject: RE: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements Message-ID: <000b01c3552b$af5abd20$0200a8c0@DD22NQ21> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <9D42C6E086250248810DCADA39CE7EFC972676@nimbus> Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 69d359d74ea5b89bb7006832b23cb2bad4c20f6b8d69d888ef73ea92e0ede72a594a27a539889093329077a82ed40bc1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:14:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IP-Optical-ers, Please take the time to read this draft and comment. There will be a 2 week last call starting July 28. After that last call, if there is not significant input from the IPO community indicating that this draft serves purpose above and beyond the recap of ITU and OIF documents as per Alex's comment below, we will be required to drop the draft. Whether you are for or against this draft progressing, please let your voice/hmmm be heard! John, thanks for getting the ball rolling! --Jim -----Original Message----- From: ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com [mailto:ip-optical-admin@lists.bell-labs.com] On Behalf Of John Drake Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:06 PM To: 'Alex Zinin'; ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: RE: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements Alex, I read this draft several months ago and I would agree with your characterization of it. As such, it doesn't seem to serve any particular purpose. Thanks, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Zinin [mailto:zinin@psg.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:06 PM > To: ip-optical@lists.bell-labs.com > Subject: [IP-Optical] AD-review of draft-ietf-ipo-carrier-requirements > > > Folks- > > After reading the document, I was left with the feeling that it is > not clear to me whether the document is simply a recompilation of the > material found in other organizations (such as OIF and ITU), or > something unique for the IETF. I asked several individual reviewers > to read the document and give me their opinions. All of them > mentioned similar concerns and indicated that the document should not > go forward. > > Before I can take the document to the IESG, I need to make sure it > represents wide consensus within the SUB-IP community and the WG in > particular. With this in mind, I would like to ask the WG chairs to > initiate another 2-week WG Last Call. I would also like the WG > participants to express their opinion on the document, and > specifically their support of the document going forward, and the > reasons why (if at all) they believe the document would be useful > with its current contents. Please make sure you've read the latest > version of the draft. > > Regards > > -- > Alex Zinin > IETF SUB-IP Area co-Director > > _______________________________________________ > IP-Optical mailing list > IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical > _______________________________________________ IP-Optical mailing list IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical _______________________________________________ IP-Optical mailing list IP-Optical@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/ip-optical