From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 1 05:51:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA043A68AC; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D203A68AC for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HeiFfQAZkGhb for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797153A67AA for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 3E5ED6A047; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB836A00E; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB9A2F583; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:51:40 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <485BBABF.5070002@internet2.edu> <4868A492.9000803@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000001 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 0ec5ab69f01d9ed5fcde50d5932f2826 Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] Next version of the duplicate draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > so this says that the source and destination IP address need to be the > same for packet to be duplicates, but it's still vague about which > fields in the next header ("transport" header, usually) need to be > identical. I'm not convinced that this text will lead to implementations > that will come up with the same measurement results for the same packet > sequence. Can we be more precise? I think it does as long as you don't look at any other fields than source, destination and information. Each packet has source, destination, a bunch of other headers and finally the information that it carries. On the receiving side, one records the packets and for each arriving packet, one checks if one has arrived before with the same source, destination and information (within the time-out interval). If so, it is a duplicate. If not, it isn't. The real question, I think, is whether there can be cases where the source intentionally sends multiple packets with the same src, dst and information (but something different in the other headers). Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 1 06:05:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7595F3A6B83; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:05:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6231C3A6B83 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Gz67J6J+iRJ for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069E33A69E8 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m61D564c002525; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:05:32 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:05:02 +0300 Received: from [10.180.41.6] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:05:01 +0300 Message-Id: <6CCCA629-6BB3-4BEC-B93C-424AEF2A19F0@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ext Henk Uijterwaal In-Reply-To: <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:04:55 +0300 References: <485BBABF.5070002@internet2.edu> <4868A492.9000803@ripe.net> <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2008 13:05:01.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[1296EB40:01C8DB7B] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] Next version of the duplicate draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, On 2008-7-1, at 15:51, ext Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >> so this says that the source and destination IP address need to be >> the same for packet to be duplicates, but it's still vague about >> which fields in the next header ("transport" header, usually) need >> to be identical. I'm not convinced that this text will lead to >> implementations that will come up with the same measurement results >> for the same packet sequence. Can we be more precise? > > I think it does as long as you don't look at any other fields than > source, > destination and information. > > Each packet has source, destination, a bunch of other headers and > finally > the information that it carries. On the receiving side, one records > the > packets and for each arriving packet, one checks if one has arrived > before > with the same source, destination and information (within the time- > out > interval). If so, it is a duplicate. If not, it isn't. so what if there is no information, such as with pure TCP ACKs? I wonder - since IPPM is doing metrics for IP - if we can define duplication only in terms of the IP header fields? Lars > The real question, I think, is whether there can be cases where the > source > intentionally sends multiple packets with the same src, dst and > information > (but something different in the other headers). > > Henk > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the next > elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 1 07:55:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849D33A6874; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF373A6890 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TRnI2eWMEkRW for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88EF3A6836 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 89F326A0D0; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:55:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F906A051; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B276E2F583; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <486A4555.8080702@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:55:17 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <485BBABF.5070002@internet2.edu> <4868A492.9000803@ripe.net> <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> <6CCCA629-6BB3-4BEC-B93C-424AEF2A19F0@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <6CCCA629-6BB3-4BEC-B93C-424AEF2A19F0@nokia.com> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 7c4c7aa8d9e805ac3d67ca9231505178 Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] Next version of the duplicate draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, > so what if there is no information, such as with pure TCP ACKs? > I wonder - since IPPM is doing metrics for IP - if we can define > duplication only in terms of the IP header fields? Well, if there is nothing to distinguish two packets that were intentionally sent over a packet that has been replicated along the way, then one cannot use this metric. For active measurements between two hosts, this won't be an issues as one generates his own packets and can easily put something in to make them unique. For other metrics, we haven't defined the packet format or how to do this either. If one wants to apply the metric for other cases (say, passive monitoring of TCP sequences), then one will have to find something in the packets to distinguish two packets from one packet sent twice. I'm open to suggestions here. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 3 08:08:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734793A6833; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9D128C124; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.371 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.371 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, CN_BODY_41=0.118, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ynuq7-L33Vt5; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3-61.sinamail.sina.com.cn (r3-61.sinamail.sina.com.cn [202.108.3.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEEF3A68A7; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3-61.sinamail.sina.com.cn (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0C8EBBF8C45; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:51 +0800 (CST) Received: from Sina WebMail (gyzhang@sina.com|211.167.85.40) Received: from [211.167.85.40] by mail3-61.sinamail.sina.com.cn via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:51 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:36:51 +0800 From: gyzhang@sina.com To: ippm@ietf.org, pmol@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, henk@ripe.net, acmorton@att.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-OriginaIP: 202.108.3.61 X-Mailer: Sina WebMail 4.0 Message-Id: <20080625033651.0C8EBBF8C45@mail3-61.sinamail.sina.com.cn> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:08:42 -0700 Cc: otani@kddilabs.jp, zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn, rpapneja@isocore.com, gjhhit@huawei.com, jingrq@ctbri.com.cn, sunwq@sjtu.edu.cn, BGu@ixiacom.com, xqwei@fiberhome.com.cn, blithe@sjtu.edu.cn Subject: [ippm] LSP DPPM draft updated. 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--===============0300317213==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 4 01:21:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F222B3A67DD; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEA23A67AB for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBBJA-StiJAQ for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5403A689A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id D78B06A1DF; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0586A1D4 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from guest-wv-48.ripe.net (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1570B2F583; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <486DDD5B.5070503@ripe.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:20:43 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henk Uijterwaal References: <485637AE.6040606@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <485637AE.6040606@ripe.net> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 2520545b2204523c2871be4c187493a1 Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] 3rd WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-10.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM group, > This is a third WGLC for the draft "Information Model and XML Data Model > for Traceroute Measurements". > > After the draft was submitted to the IESG, the GEN-ART review team provided > us with extensive feedback on the XML part of the document. All > suggestions > have been incorporated, please refer to Thomas Dietz' mail of June 12 for > a full overview of changes made. The changes improve the XML code but do > not change the intent of the code. Nevertheless, we feel that it is good > if the group reviewed the document once more before it is sent to the > IESG. > > We like to start a WGLC on it in order to move it forward. Please raise > any remaining issues by Friday, July 4, 9:00 UTC. No issues have been raised so we'll move this forward. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 4 06:35:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D4D3A6B95; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id A33643A6B47; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20080704133527.A33643A6B47@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Last Call: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes (Information Model and XML Data Model for Traceroute Measurements) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the IP Performance Metrics WG (ippm) to consider the following document: - 'Information Model and XML Data Model for Traceroute Measurements ' as a Proposed Standard This is the second IETF last call for this document. The gen-art review that happened during the IETF last call of a previous version uncovered significant issues that needed to be addressed by the working group. The working group has done so and a working group last call on this version has confirmed consensus to request publication of this version. Due to the magnitude of the changes, a second IETF last call is required as well. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-07-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. 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If you wanna see them just drop me a line at: babbey0@hugdr.info From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 06:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF673A6876; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E75D3A6876 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08xd4apjtKRs for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F8C3A67F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id D9E6D6A17E; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:35:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314086A17A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:35:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32442F583 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48736D18.9030402@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:35:20 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000001 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: da24c3212460e145e0a60dcea957aff9 Subject: [ippm] [Fwd: time to start putting your agendas together] X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, If you want a slot in either the regular IPPM meeting or the BoF on future work for us, please let me know before next Wednesday. Henk -------- Original Message -------- Subject: time to start putting your agendas together Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:32:27 +0300 From: Lars Eggert To: tsv-chairs@ietf.org July 16, Wednesday - Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 02:54:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A683A68E7; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDFE3A68E7 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z3HUd7IumAGh for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.19.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827953A6905 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 194A123F87; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08DC23EE7; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from guest-wv-48.ripe.net (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94DF2F583; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48748AD2.2080409@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:54:26 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henk Uijterwaal References: <485BBABF.5070002@internet2.edu> <4868A492.9000803@ripe.net> <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> <6CCCA629-6BB3-4BEC-B93C-424AEF2A19F0@nokia.com> <486A4555.8080702@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <486A4555.8080702@ripe.net> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 7af7a112e37f7ccdb6d10d9c7103ad98 Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] Next version of the duplicate draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, >> so what if there is no information, such as with pure TCP ACKs? > > I wonder - since IPPM is doing metrics for IP - if we can define > > duplication only in terms of the IP header fields? > > Well, if there is nothing to distinguish two packets that were > intentionally sent over a packet that has been replicated along > the way, then one cannot use this metric. For active measurements > between two hosts, this won't be an issues as one generates his own > packets and can easily put something in to make them unique. > For other metrics, we haven't defined the packet format or how to > do this either. > > If one wants to apply the metric for other cases (say, passive monitoring > of TCP sequences), then one will have to find something in the packets > to distinguish two packets from one packet sent twice. I'm open to > suggestions here. This discussion seems to have stopped here. The text says that active measurement systems MUST NOT send packets with identical information fields, in order to avoid that all packets are declared duplicates. That is sufficient to use this metric in this case. The metric will also work for passive methods where one is sure that each packet is different. The metric won't work for cases where multiple identical packets are intentionally sent. In order to move forward: a) We accept this (and add text to make this clear to everybody). b) We don't accept this. In that case, one will have to find something to distinguish two packets from one packet sent twice. My preference is for the former, but I like to hear other opinions. I'm afraid that if we don't accept this and don't come up with good suggestions to distinguish packets, we'll never end up with a duplication metric. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 9 06:42:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486DF3A6A42; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A67F3A68E1 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.604, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id junf0b-UiSgS for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCF43A6A42 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id C207A6A164; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:42:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DCD6A083 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from guest-wv-48.ripe.net (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B175F2F583 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4874C028.3050805@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:42:00 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 0049d92039df786f98d365b1eb005427 Subject: [ippm] [Fwd: DRAFT WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-07.txt] X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM group, This message announces the WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-07 The draft has been discussed extensively in this group since 2005 and appears to have support and be stable. We would like to start a Working Group Last Call in order to move it forward. Please raise any remaining issues by Wednesday July 30, 9:00 UTC. A URL for the draft is: and the tools team also has a great page here: Matt & Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 04:58:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3E03A69E0; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF003A6932 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BjpnPeL-TLF1 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6925E3A68F0 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6ABwSDZ028833; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:59:03 -0500 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:58:42 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:58:42 +0300 Received: from [192.168.255.2] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:58:41 +0300 Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: ext Henk Uijterwaal In-Reply-To: <4874C028.3050805@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:58:33 +0300 References: <4874C028.3050805@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 11:58:42.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C193520:01C8E284] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] AD review for draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-07 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I did my AD review during WGLC. On a technical level, this document is ready to be published. However, I'd still like to urge the authors to take the time to produce another revision that focuses on improving the writing and language. Some sections, especially the earlier ones, are quite difficult to follow due to awkward phrasings, grammar issues, and so on. Other sections are in much better shape, for example, Sections 7, 8, and much of 9 are very well written. The document would be much improved if other sections were of similar language quality. Although the RFC Editor would also fix some of these issues, I feel that this won't be quite sufficient in this case. Also note that this isn't a blocking issue. If the WG comes to consensus to request publication of this version as-is, I will bring it before the IESG in its current form. (But obviously I'd prefer an update.) Lars Detailed comments: Note: Most comments marked as nits below have been automatically flagged by review scripts - there may be some false positives in there. INTRODUCTION, paragraph 11: > The IETF IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) working group has standardized > metrics for measuring end-to-end performance between two points. Please rephrase to not talk about the IPPM WG - WGs are ephemeral and WG history is rarely relevant for a published RFC. (Also elsewhere in the document, e.g., the introduction, etc.) Section 1., paragraph 6: > [[RFC2679], [RFC2680], [RFC3393], [RFC3432]. Seven metrics are Nit: s/[[/[/ Section 1., paragraph 7: > methodologies. Each definion includes a specific section discussing Nit: s/definion/definition/ Section 1., paragraph 8: > increase results accucacy. These spatial metrics are: Nit: s/accucacy./accuracy./ Section 2.5., paragraph 1: > Points of interest are the hosts* (as per RFC2330 definition, that Why is there a * after hosts? Can't find a corresponding footnote. Section 2.7., paragraph 1: > Src are dT1, dT2,..., dTN, it can be say that a vector V with N Nit: s/it can be say/it can be said/ Section 2.8., paragraph 5: > Figure 3: Relation beween Singletons, vectors and matrix Nit: s/beween/between/ Section 3.3., paragraph 0: > 3.3. Discussion on Group-to-one and Group-to-group metrics Suggest to move this section into an appendix, because it's outside the scope of the proposed standard. Section 4., paragraph 3: > Methodology specificities are common to all the vectors defined and Nit: s/specificities/specifics/ Section 4.1., paragraph 1: > This section is coupled with the definition of Type-P-One-way- Delay > of the section 3 of [RFC2679]. When a parameter of this definition > is first used in this section, it will be tagged with a trailing > asterisk. "This" appears twice in the last section, which makes it ambigous. Do you mean that when the definitions from RFC2679 are used, they're marked with an asterisk? Section 4.1., paragraph 2: > Sections 3.5 to 3.8 of [RFC2679] give requirements and applicability > statements for end-to-end one-way-delay measurements. They are > applicable to each point of interest Hi involved in the measure. > Spatial one-way-delay measurement SHOULD be respectful of them, > especially those related to methodology, clock, uncertainties and > reporting. Why isn't this a MUST? (Also, nit "be respectful of" is an awkward phrasing - just say "respect".) This also occurs elsewhere in the document. Section 4.4.1., paragraph 1: > Loss threshold is the centrality of any methodology because it Nit: awkward phrasing: "is the centrality of" - how about "is central to"? Section 4.4.1., paragraph 3: > depending on the consistency of the loss threshold among the points > of interest, a packet may be considered loss a one host but present Nit: s/loss a/lost at/ Section 4.4.1., paragraph 4: > deterministic: Has the path change? Does the packet arrive at Nit: s/change/changed/; s/Does/Did/; s/at/at the/ Section 2, paragraph 0: > o method1: Figure 5 andFigure 8 illustrate the method chosen: the Nit: s/andFigure/and Figure/ Section 9.4., paragraph 4: > o Hosts_serie: , a list of points of interest; Nit: s/Hosts_serie:/Hosts_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 5: > o Delays_serie: a list of delays; Nit: s/Delays_serie:/Delays_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 6: > o Losses_serie: , a list of Boolean values Nit: s/Losses_serie:/Losses_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 7: > o Result_status_serie: a list of results status; Nit: s/Result_status_serie:/Result_status_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 10: > o Hosts_serie: not ordered for one-to-group; Nit: s/Hosts_serie:/Hosts_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 11: > o Delays_serie: apply only for delays and ipdv vector, not ordered Nit: s/Delays_serie:/Delays_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 12: > o Losses_serie: apply only for packets loss vector, not ordered for Nit: s/Losses_serie:/Losses_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 13: > o Result_status_serie; Nit: s/Result_status_serie;/Result_status_series;/ Section 9.4., paragraph 16: > o Delays_serie: apply only for delays and ipdv samples; Nit: s/Delays_serie:/Delays_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 17: > o Losses_serie: apply only for packets loss samples; Nit: s/Losses_serie:/Losses_series:/ Section 9.4., paragraph 18: > o Result_status_serie; Nit: s/Result_status_serie;/Result_status_series;/ Section 10.2., paragraph 1: > overload reference point ressources (network, network interfaces, Nit: s/ressources/resources/ Section 12., paragraph 1: > Metrics defined in this memo Metrics defined in this memo are > designed to be registered in the IANA IPPM METRICS REGISTRY as > described in initial version of the registry [RFC4148] : Nit: s/Metrics defined in this memo Metrics defined in this memo/Metrics defined in this memo/ _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 13 13:45:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEE43A6A45; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0CB1C3A67F7; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080713204502.0CB1C3A67F7@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-01.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Packet Delay Variation Applicability Statement Author(s) : A. Morton, B. Claise Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-01.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2008-07-13 Packet delay variation metrics appear in many different standards documents. The metric definition in RFC 3393 has considerable flexibility, and it allows multiple formulations of delay variation through the specification of different packet selection functions. Although flexibility provides wide coverage and room for new ideas, it can make comparisons of independent implementations more difficult. Two different formulations of delay variation have come into wide use in the context of active measurements. This memo examines a range of circumstances for active measurements of delay variation and their uses, and recommends which of the two forms is best matched to particular conditions and tasks. 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This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Spatial Composition of Metrics Author(s) : A. Morton, E. Stephan Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-spatial-composition-07.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2008-07-13 This memo utilizes IPPM metrics that are applicable to both complete paths and sub-paths, and defines relationships to compose a complete path metric from the sub-path metrics with some accuracy w.r.t. the actual metrics. This is called Spatial Composition in RFC 2330. The memo refers to the Framework for Metric Composition, and provides background and motivation for combining metrics to derive others. The descriptions of several composed metrics and statistics follow. 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That is sufficient to use this metric in this > case. The metric will also work for passive methods where one is sure > that each packet is different. The metric won't work for cases where > multiple identical packets are intentionally sent. > > In order to move forward: > > a) We accept this (and add text to make this clear to everybody). > > b) We don't accept this. In that case, one will have to find > something > to distinguish two packets from one packet sent twice. > > My preference is for the former, but I like to hear other opinions. > I'm > afraid that if we don't accept this and don't come up with good > suggestions > to distinguish packets, we'll never end up with a duplication metric. I'd personally prefer to come up with a definition of what a duplicate is that uses only IP header information, rather than having dependencies on higher layers. Source and destination IP address plus the IP ID field ought to do it? (For non-fragments, at least.) Also see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-touch-intarea-ipv4-unique-id Lars PS: This is a comment as an individual contributor. If there's WG consensus for (a), I'm OK with being on the rough side of it. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 02:14:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A43A67E1; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACDA3A67E1 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:14:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y10Ir3hgmJnT for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF973A67D7 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6E9DhR9001367; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:14:17 -0500 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:15 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:09 +0300 Received: from [192.89.6.49] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:09 +0300 Message-Id: <5802CC03-7523-468D-AEDC-67686C56A3B4@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ext Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:05 +0300 References: <485BBABF.5070002@internet2.edu> <4868A492.9000803@ripe.net> <486A285C.9040904@ripe.net> <6CCCA629-6BB3-4BEC-B93C-424AEF2A19F0@nokia.com> <486A4555.8080702@ripe.net> <48748AD2.2080409@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2008 09:14:09.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[F98C01A0:01C8E591] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [ippm] Next version of the duplicate draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org On 2008-7-14, at 12:01, ext Lars Eggert wrote: > Source and destination IP address plus the IP ID field ought to do it? I don't know what I was thinking. The check would need to look at pretty much all header fields other than the TTL and checksum. (And possibly DSCP, because a duplicate could have been routed along a different path and gotten remarked.) Lars _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 18:15:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18DB3A6B92; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 28D183A66B4; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080715011501.28D183A66B4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-02.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Reporting IP Performance Metrics to Users Author(s) : S. Shalunov, M. Swany Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-02.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2008-07-14 The aim of this document is to define a small set of metrics that are robust, easy to understand, orthogonal, relevant, and easy to compute. The IPPM WG has defined a large number of richly parameterized metrics because network measurement has many purposes. Often, the ultimate purpose is to report a concise set of metrics describing a network's state to an end user. It is for this purpose that the present set of metrics is defined. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-07-14181324.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --NextPart-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 03:55:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B72E3A6882; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199143A6882 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLZrvi7zOQrQ for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688523A6856 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 4E91C6A0D1; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:55:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90076A0C5 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:55:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85E32F583 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:55:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <487C81F8.9070706@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:54:48 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: 4f6d91c9c677b8821ff6173f0fa8dd40 Subject: [ippm] Draft agenda for Dublin X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Please find below the agenda for Dublin. Comments are welcome, Matt & Henk - - - Session 1: Ongoing work ======================= (Wednesday 30/6, 13:00-15:00) 1. Administrativia (Chairs, 5') 2. Status of Drafts and Milestones (Chairs, 10') a) TWAMP b) MultiMetrics draft c) Traceroute draft 3. Composition drafts (Al Morton, 15') 4. Reporting drafts (Martin Swany by Proxy, 15') 5. Delay variation AS (Al Morton, 15') 6. TWAMP extensions. (Kaynam Hedayat, 15') 7. Duplication Metric. (Henk Uijterwaal, 15') 8. AOB Note: if you have slides, please mail them to the chairs before the meeting. Session 2: IPPM++, BoF on future work for the group ==================================================== (Wednesday, 30/6, 9:00-11:30) In Philadelphia, we discussed the future of the group now that we get close to finishing the work that is on our plate. We had some discussion on possible future work items. In Philly, people did suggest to have a BoF to discuss this in Dublin. We have a slot, so let's start to discuss... 1. Administrative details. 2. What did IPPM do so-far (Chairs) 3. Possible future work items. a) SLA validations (Joel Sommers or Nick Duffield, by Proxy) b) Passive measurements (Yutaka Kikuchi) (draft-kikuchi-passive-measure-02.txt, and draft-kikuchi-tunnel-measure-req-02.txt) c) Comparison of Metrics d) Other possible work items 4. Discussion. 5. How to proceed from here. If you have work that fits into section 3, please let me know and I'll give you a slot on the agenda. However, note that the goal of the BoF is to determine if there are problems that needs to be solved _and_ there is a critical mass of people who want to work on this. The goal of the BoF is NOT to discuss possible solutions in great detail. For more on how to make the BoF a success, see: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-narten-successful-bof-03.txt Note: if you have slides, please mail them to the chairs before the meeting. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? 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Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 00:46:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF6A3A6768; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497D93A6B18 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FTVd+JjLFfcc for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu (basie.internet2.edu [207.75.164.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7EA3A6887 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A91F47C36; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29606-01; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAE747C22; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48901C3F.9030306@internet2.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:46:07 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner Subject: [ippm] Meeting materials for IETF72 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org The slides we've received for today's IPPM++ (next steps BOF) and IPPM meeting are online at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/72/materials.html For remote participation, audio stream information can be found at: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and jabber information is at: http://jabber.ietf.org There is both an ippm++ and ippm room, for the BOF and WG respectively. 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It concludes operators need "rest-of-path" monitors at their borders. It is written from an economics perspective. Also, at the end, I've given two refs to possible solutions to this problem. Author: Paul Laskowski and John Chuang Affiliation: UCB Month: September Year: 2006 Title: Network Monitors and Contracting Systems: Competition and Innovation Journal: Proc. ACM SIGCOMM'06, Computer Communication Review Volume: 36 Number: 4 Issn: 0146-4833 Pages: 183--194 Note: Publisher: ACM Press Keywords: Data Communication, Networks, Internet, Architecture, Control, Congestion, QoS, Denial of Service, Routing, Provisioning, Availability, Incentives, Monitoring, Contracts Entryby: RJB Entry: 02 Feb 2008 Abstract-url: URL: Url: URL: Doi: URL: For possible solutions, A/ there is Katerina Argyraki's work, eg: ----------------------------------------- Author: Katerina Argyraki and Petros Maniatis and Olga Irzak and Subramanian Ashish and Scott Shenker Affiliation: 1,3,4: EPFL; 2: Intel Research, Berkeley; 5: ICSI Editor: Month: October Year: 2007 Title: Loss and Delay Accountability for the Internet Booktitle: Proc. IEEE International Conference on Network Protocols Pages: Note: Publisher: Address: Organization: IEEE Keywords: Data Communication, Networks, Internet, Quality of Service, QoS, Charging, Pricing, Accounting, Metering, Architecture, Business Model, Topology Entryby: RJB Entry: 03 Feb 2008 Url: URL: Alternatively, you may be interested in our work in BT and at UCL on how to do this without all the complexity of a network of trusted echo reflectors: , in particular: B/ Re-feedback -------------- Author: Bob Briscoe and Arnaud Jacquet and Carla Di Cairano-Gilfedder and Alessandro Salvatori and Andrea Soppera and Martin Koyabe Affiliation: 1: BT & UCL; 2-6: BT Month: August Year: 2005 Title: Policing Congestion Response in an Internetwork Using Re-Feedback Journal: Proc. ACM SIGCOMM'05, Computer Communication Review Volume: 35 Number: 4 Isbn: 1-59593-009-4 Pages: 277--288 Note: Publisher: ACM Press Keywords: Data Communication, Networks, Internet, Architecture, Policing, Control, Tussle, Congestion, QoS, Denial of Service, Routing, Convergence, Security, Availability, Game Theory, Incentives, Monitoring, Explicit Notification Entryby: RJB Entry: 10 Feb 2005 Abstract-url: URL: Url: URL: Doi: Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA Bob ____________________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe, Networks Research Centre, BT Research B54/77 Adastral Park,Martlesham Heath,Ipswich,IP5 3RE,UK. +44 1473 645196 _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:11:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4195C28C0E9; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF2D28C0E2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.502, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k61NZMKiv1YJ for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CD928C0E6 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOV7q-0003Wq-OL for ippm@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:15 +0200 Received: from ripe-ncc-101045.meeting.ietf.org (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CB52F592; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48918FC2.3090508@ripe.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:14 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henk Uijterwaal References: <4874C028.3050805@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <4874C028.3050805@ripe.net> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d563662ebe58098eab47507dd6bf264886 Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] [Fwd: DRAFT WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-07.txt] X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM group, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > This message announces the WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-07 > The draft has been discussed extensively in this group since 2005 and > appears > to have support and be stable. We would like to start a Working Group Last > Call in order to move it forward. > > Please raise any remaining issues by Wednesday July 30, 9:00 UTC. > > A URL for the draft is: > > > > and the tools team also has a great page here: > > No issues were raised on the contents, but we did get some comments on the wording. Those issues will be addressed, then we'll submit the document to the IESG. Due to vacations from various folks, this will not happen before September. Matt & Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:48:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DACB3A697E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276BD3A67F6 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92+0+8-y+ID8 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu (mail.internet2.edu [207.75.164.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3543A697E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234EB47C22; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13680-10; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C86247C1A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48919896.3030406@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:48:54 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner Subject: [ippm] IPPM++ BOF initial draft minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thanks to Paul Aitken, we have some initial draft minutes for comment. I've uploaded them. You can see them along with all the other meeting materials at search for "ippm++". --Matt _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 04:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB00B3A6C26; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AB33A6AA9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCg112dBvMZn for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu (mail.internet2.edu [207.75.164.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988E93A6A62 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E945147D0F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16423-06 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7758947CF5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48919B50.60501@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG References: <48919896.3030406@internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: <48919896.3030406@internet2.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner Subject: Re: [ippm] IPPM++ BOF initial draft minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org On 7/31/08 6:48 AM, Matthew J Zekauskas wrote: > Thanks to Paul Aitken, we have some initial draft minutes for comment. > I've uploaded them. You can see them along with all the other meeting > materials at > > > > search for "ippm++". > > --Matt > > Audio from the meeting, starting at the metrics for SLA validation presentation by Al Morton (we had audio issues in the room) is at (96M). --Matt _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 04:13:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6935728C12E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1834E28C12E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQ9SKP+Spdp2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu (mail.internet2.edu [207.75.164.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D13F28C103 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343AF47D67 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19687-09 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.meeting.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B989C47D0F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48919E77.8060703@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:13:59 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner Subject: [ippm] IPPM WG initial draft minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thanks to Joe Kopena, we have some initial draft minutes for comment. I've uploaded them. You can see them along with all the other meeting materials at search for "ippm". Audio from the meeting is at the meeting starts about 6 minutes in. --Matt _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm