From bertietf@bwijnen.net Mon Dec 28 01:46:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C1D3A6863; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:46:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.343, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IyMmsz2LyoMP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay57.tele2.vuurwerk.nl [62.250.3.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0208F3A67DF; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.215.199.34] (helo=BertLaptop) by relay.versatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NPCAk-0007gn-VZ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:45:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Bert Wijnen \(IETF\)" To: , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:32:32 +0100 Organization: Consultant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_3329_01CA87A9.103DD170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:39:47 -0800 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] Operations Directorate Review X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:46:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_3329_01CA87A9.103DD170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please not that I am not on the IPPM mailing list, so if you want me to = see any responses, either copy the ops-dir list or explicitly copy me. I did an OPS Directorate review for this document. Summary: I think the document is ready for publication. For a list of questions to be answered in an OPS-DIR review see Appendix = A=20 in RFC 5706. Note that not all questions may apply to all documents, and = some other items may be identified by the OPS-DIR reviews. The document describes: - terminology for Metric Composition - requirements for some Metric Types - guidelines for defining composed metrics=20 As such, I think it does not have any direct operational or network = management=20 impact on the Internet. This is however not explicitly described or = stated. Given RFC5706, we (ops-dir) would like to see such a statement I think. Some minor nits/remarks that I made while going thorugh the document. = None of those are showstopper at all, and in fact, the doc would be fine even if they = do not get addressed. - I am somewhat surprised to find "Requirements Lanaguage" on the front = page. Is that new to put it there? - sect 1.1.3 2nd para The overall value would be calculated from the elementary delay measurements, but it not obvious how: for example, it may not to be s/but it/but it is/ ? - sect 3.11 A sub-path path metric is an element of the process to derive a Composite metric, quantifying some aspect of the performance a particular sub-path from its Source to Destination. s/performance a/performance of a/ ?? - throughout the document I am not sure that capitalization of terms is consistent. =20 Bert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tina TSOU=20 To: Bert Wijnen (IETF)=20 Cc: Dan (Dan) Romascanu ; Ron Bonica=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Operations Directorate Review Hello Bert, Season's greetings! following IESG work item for it's operational impact. IETF Last Call: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-framework-compagg-09.= txt Please provide comments and review to the Ops-dir mailing list ops-dir@ietf.org) before the next IESG telechat, and include the = authors of the draft as well. The IESG telechat agenda is below, you could find the exact date, i.e. = the expected deadline for the feedback of your review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ For a list of questions to be answered in an OPS-DIR review see = Appendix A in RFC 5706. Note that not all questions may apply to all = documents, and some other items may be identified by the OPS-DIR = reviews. The status of Operations Directorate Review could be found http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/Directorates You could wiki it when you finish the review. Thank you, Tina http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. 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Please not that I am not on the IPPM mailing list, = so if you=20 want me to see any responses,
either copy the ops-dir list or explicitly copy=20 me.
 
I did an OPS Directorate review for this=20 document.
 
Summary: I think the document is ready for=20 publication.
 
For a list of = questions to be=20 answered in an OPS-DIR review see Appendix A
in RFC 5706. Note that not=20 all questions may apply to all documents, and
some other items may = be=20 identified by the OPS-DIR reviews.
 
The document describes:
- terminology for Metric = Composition
- requirements for some Metric Types
- guidelines for defining composed = metrics 
 
As such, I think it does not have any direct = operational or=20 network management
impact on the Internet. This is however not = explicitly=20 described or stated.
Given RFC5706, we (ops-dir) would like to see such a = statement=20 I think.
 
Some minor nits/remarks that I made while going = thorugh the=20 document. None of those
are showstopper at all, and in fact, the doc would = be fine=20 even if they do not
get addressed.
 
- I am somewhat surprised to find "Requirements = Lanaguage" on=20 the front page.
  Is that new to put it = there?
 
- sect 1.1.3 2nd para
     The overall value would be = calculated=20 from the elementary delay
     measurements, but it not = obvious how:=20 for example, it may not to be
  s/but it/but it is/ ?
 
- sect 3.11
     A sub-path path metric is an = element of=20 the process to derive a
     Composite metric, = quantifying=20 some aspect of the performance a
     particular = sub-path=20 from its Source to Destination.
  s/performance = a/performance of a/=20 ??
 
- throughout the document
  I am not sure that capitalization of terms is = consistent.
 
Bert
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tina = TSOU
Cc: Dan (Dan) Romascanu ; Ron = Bonica=20
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 = 1:38=20 PM
Subject: Operations Directorate = Review

Hello Bert,

Season's greetings!


following IESG work = item for=20 it's operational impact.

 

IETF Last Call:

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the

  
draft as well.

  

  
The IESG telechat =
agenda is=20
  below, you could find the exact date, i.e. the expected deadline for =
the=20
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https://datatracker.ie=
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For a list of questions to be =
answered in=20
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be=20
  identified by the OPS-DIR reviews.

  


  


  
The status of Operations Directorate Review could be found

  
http:=
//trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/Directorates

  


  
You could wiki it =
when you=20
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Thank you,

  
Tina

  
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> Hi there,
> 
> I am a student of MS (Multimedia & Communications) at Mohammad Ali 
> Jinnah University, Islamabad Campus, Islamabad, Pakistan and working in 
> the area of QoS Performance metrics. I want to join this group, i have 
> submitted my subscription details many times but didnt have the 
> confirmation email.

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The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Framework for Metric Composition '
    as an Informational RFC


This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. 

The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus Westerlund.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-framework-compagg-09.txt

Technical Summary
 
This memo describes a detailed framework for composing and
aggregating metrics (both in time and in space) originally defined
by the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) RFC 2330 and developed by
the IETF. This new framework memo describes the generic composition
and aggregation mechanisms. The memo provides a basis for
additional documents that implement the framework to define
detailed compositions and aggregations of metrics which are
useful in practice. 

Working Group Summary
 
The normal WG process was followed and the document has been discussed for
several years. The document as it is now, reflects WG consensus, with
nothing
special worth noticing.
 
Protocol Quality
 
This is a framework document, implementations for specific situations
(spatial, temporal, etc) will be discussed in future documents.

Personnel

Henk Uijterwaal (henk@ripe.net) is the Document Shepherd. Lars
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Dear all,

I'd like to invite you to consider the opportunity to submit a poster or 
a demo to PAM 2010.

     * Submission deadline: February 5, 2010 23:59pm GMT (UK Time)

See details in
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