From henk@ripe.net Sat Nov 6 04:03:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E48F3A68C1 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.211, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xrhK3cxqQyd for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DBC3A6964 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PEgYw-0004nS-3J for ippm@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:04:03 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=geir.local) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PEgYv-0004bq-HX for ippm@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:03:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD5361A.4080509@ripe.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:03:54 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d532d6bbd778e5ad2b4aae345ac1171bf9 X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d532d6bbd778e5ad2b4aae345ac1171bf9 Subject: [ippm] Slides and minute taker X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:03:50 -0000 Hi all, I think that all slides for Monday are online at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/79/materials.html. If you sent multiple versions, please check that I got it right. We also need a minute taker, you can save yourself 5 minutes looking down at your laptop pretending to be busy, by voluntering now. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From henk@ripe.net Sun Nov 7 16:18:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD013A691E for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:18:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IxtulX2ba8Rk for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9A73A68FB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFFRJ-0003ox-Fb for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:18:30 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=dhcp-73fa.meeting.ietf.org) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFFRJ-0003fH-17 for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD741CD.3090704@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:18:21 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ippm >> IETF IPPM WG" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d51bf2a648a6f2bd16541727c1954042ce X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d51bf2a648a6f2bd16541727c1954042ce Subject: [ippm] Important: Change of location X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:18:13 -0000 Hi all, Please note that we are meeting in the JADE 1 room, not emerald as it says on the printed agenda. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sun Nov 14 15:15:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6640A3A6A82; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8hiZy6vln2FG; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451DE3A6C5B; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:15:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.09 Message-ID: <20101114231502.16441.91959.idtracker@localhost> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:15:02 -0800 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-08.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:15:10 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for TCP Throughput Testing Author(s) : B. Constantine, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-08.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2010-11-14 This framework describes a methodology for measuring end-to-end TCP throughput performance in a managed IP network. The intention is to provide a practical methodology to validate TCP layer performance. The goal is to provide a better indication of the user experience. In this framework, various TCP and IP parameters are identified and should be tested as part of a managed IP network verification. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-11-14151012.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Nov 16 00:06:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACD73A6D81; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:06:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4t4kjn+J3tH9; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C063A6DB0; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oAG86k6C002807; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:06:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.55.43.54] (ams-bclaise-8715.cisco.com [10.55.43.54]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oAG86fcl019311; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:06:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CE23B91.1080607@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:06:41 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yaakov Stein References: <201010111228.o9BCS55n016546@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <48E7911F78327A449A9FB95637667286A8219E35@exrad4.ad.rad.co.il> In-Reply-To: <48E7911F78327A449A9FB95637667286A8219E35@exrad4.ad.rad.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF IPPM WG , Al Morton , "pmol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:06:08 -0000 Hi Yaakov, Now that the WGLC is finished and that the IETF week is over, let me cover all the WGLC comments. > I think there are important ideas here. > > Three minor comments: > > 1) The acronym PM is used by the OAM community for "Performance Management" > (in contrast to FM which stands for "Fault Management"). > Re-use for "Performance Metrics" in a related field > (especially considering the weak intercommunications between the communities) > could lead to confusion. Make sense to me. I removed the PM acronym > 2) I understand that the entity/directorate will be reviewing documents > that define performance metrics. Who determines which documents need to be reviewed ? > For example, what about an ID from some WG in transport or security that in passing > defines a measured parameter ? (Some directorates look at every document that makes it to the IESG) The way I see this is a strong link between the OPS directorate and this new Performance Metrics Entity/directorate). Yes, the OPS directorate reviews all documents. Then they could direct the ones that have performance metrics to this new directorate. In practice I don't see any issues. For example, both Al and I are part of OPS directorate. Do you believe some text should be updated in the draft? Where? > 3) I am not a strong supporter of meta-documents - > I much prefer RFCs with meaningful technical content to those that dictate internal processes. > I see this document as a "Tao" for the PMOL and IPPM communities. Yes. Hence the name "Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development" > I remember that 2418 mentions the concept of directorate, > and found a list of directorates here - http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/ > but do not recall RFCs for the security, transport, ... directorates, > except for the quoted 5706. > > Since I was not involved in the discussions in PMOL, I would like to know if alternative mechanisms > for making this information available (e.g., a Performance Metric wiki) > have been discussed. The alternative that was discussed is that the PMOL WG would contain all the performance metrics related drafts. Some issues: we could see an explosion of those drafts, while we might be lacking the technology expertise. A WIKI, I don't believe too much in that unless there is a procedure in place Regards, Benoit. > Y(J)S > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al Morton > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 14:28 > To: pmol@ietf.org > Cc: bmwg@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 > > PMOL WG, > cc IPPM and BMWG WGs, > > This message begins a PMOL WG Last Call on the following draft: > > Title: Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development > Author(s) : A. Clark, B. Claise > Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2010-10-10 > > This memo describes a framework and guidelines for the development of > performance metrics that are beyond the scope of existing working > group charters in the IETF. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt > > There has been discussion of this draft for over 3 years > on the PMOL list and at meetings, both formal and informal. > The previous WGLC closed on January 2, 2009. > The Authors believe all comments to date have been addressed. > > Please weigh-in on whether or not this Draft should be forwarded > to the Area Directors for publication as a Standards Track RFC. > Send your comments to the PMOL list or the co-chairs. > > The Last Call will be open till November 8, 2010. > > thanks for your review and comments, > Al Morton > co-chair, PMOL WG > > _______________________________________________ > PMOL mailing list > PMOL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol > _______________________________________________ > PMOL mailing list > PMOL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol From evnikita2@gmail.com Thu Nov 25 07:49:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9A33A6A4D for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.988, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ieknP0bK0seU for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5EE3A696D for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1080447bwz.31 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:50:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; bh=W9gfGCHx4sMj+o/l357+/wGF9tr3/vM5FMjvmNZkVxQ=; b=b/dLlyZAJvO1DQILR8lzh37u6qlEEj470s9FVzOCp4h2gYjWi3RN9y6kmPlzhF4v4y 493LgTeB3lxlHjanT/9UHpkN17oa6wfsTLEjuY6lWHzfpGHU4SB9FrzC3zK+5x3B2ov2 1XvBleNnYGLKnmdytMdrLG9AKYchz0UyX7L2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; b=bBXzpeRKi34M5TuoVyWpqkuNgaMF2guYVhG06Aj6Ape/5Fl31uap2IBRO5ocyEOhUz ng8pVI+Z1lesHoIE42Lq2/rhfrDCTBXtbY9BSOspKH08f3CLuILWugxdz4BgOfZ6OtXp Hs8eujAfYLopJxeg4mWPwB03cSgPbWGAeniLU= Received: by 10.204.50.135 with SMTP id z7mr847880bkf.63.1290700210706; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v25sm424277bkt.6.2010.11.25.07.50.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:50:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CEE85B7.6090400@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:50:15 +0200 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ippm@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080204010805090905010604" Subject: [ippm] Draft review request - IP classes registry X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:49:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080204010805090905010604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I have made a draft which, I think, will be interesting for your group. You can find it here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yevstifeyev-ipv4-options-classes-registry/ Could you please give a brief review of it? Any suggestions are welcome. All the best, Mykyta Yevstifeyev --------------080204010805090905010604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all,

I have made a draft which, I think, will be interesting
for your group.

You can find it here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yevstifeyev-ipv4-options-classes-registry/

Could you please give a brief review of it?
Any suggestions are welcome.

All the best,
Mykyta Yevstifeyev
 --------------080204010805090905010604-- From henk@ripe.net Thu Nov 25 23:53:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A294F3A69CC for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:53:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.545 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.545 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZmR5UvBPzmII for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440333A69A6 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PLt8K-00076Q-V1; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:54:18 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=guest169.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PLt8K-0007DV-C0; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:54:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4CEF593E.9090709@ripe.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 07:52:46 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ippm@ietf.org, evnikita2@gmail.com References: <4CEE85B7.6090400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CEE85B7.6090400@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d50f08c64aef115dd0cabf63d12ca43f4d X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d50f08c64aef115dd0cabf63d12ca43f4d Subject: Re: [ippm] Draft review request - IP classes registry X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 07:53:20 -0000 Hi, > I have made a draft which, I think, will be interesting > for your group. > > You can find it here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yevstifeyev-ipv4-options-classes-registry/ > > Could you please give a brief review of it? > Any suggestions are welcome. I think this is out of scope for IPPM. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From acmorton@att.com Fri Nov 26 15:31:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968E228C114 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.603 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.603 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.193, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W-1Xwb9z45gm for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA35328C122 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:31:56 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1290814379!28585168!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 7195 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2010 23:33:00 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-4.tower-161.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 26 Nov 2010 23:33:00 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAQNXAHU021060 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:33:10 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAQNX7WU020976 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:33:07 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAQNWmAa031949 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:32:48 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAQNWijM031894 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:32:44 -0500 Message-Id: <201011262332.oAQNWijM031894@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-191-239.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.191.239](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20101126233243gw1004lk1ke>; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:32:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.191.239] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:33:09 -0500 To: Henk Uijterwaal , ippm@ietf.org, evnikita2@gmail.com From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <4CEF593E.9090709@ripe.net> References: <4CEE85B7.6090400@gmail.com> <4CEF593E.9090709@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [ippm] Draft review request - IP classes registry X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:31:58 -0000 At 01:52 AM 11/26/2010, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > > I have made a draft which, I think, will be interesting > > for your group. > > > > You can find it here: > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yevstifeyev-ipv4-options-classes-registry/ > > > > Could you please give a brief review of it? > > Any suggestions are welcome. > >I think this is out of scope for IPPM. > >Henk Agree. This has nothing to do with metrics or measurements. IPPM is *not* the home of all IP registries, and even the metric registry we have is being considered for withdrawal. Perhaps the Internet Area should take a look at this, especially if there is any relevance to IPv6. If not, then the need for this may have long passed (it's IPv4-only, as it stands). Al From evnikita2@gmail.com Sat Nov 27 04:07:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD8728C14C for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:07:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.322 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.322 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.723, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyLFoxq7pgwT for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534D928C11D for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2805070bwz.31 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:08:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hRtfvs3vXvtUiHkrVe9ciNDGVFiEvk6/17QxBxPTt4I=; b=XahO9KOckTu+Blg/PaHGJ7FHh/hxS+kqTC4v+68D2XjjY88ACx0IcK3vVglsmjyi82 e+m91tT/owfbHLGEjwA1LNtpaaK8okIIwjd5oN+yKKlplGdyl/IGwSBNUggYjxSa/5NL u/FIuhtqWHR7hAX4ZEMqDOqI5iYXGJM0VKKgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lVDPm7H5IS3CdzwV+y0OICnvzwgBL4todFcC2gVPInPJYMkulCi7oYaWPVBBoscI8D IDToSCKGVTKjRhPR2a9VlgCLvO2c8Yn1nxYb5aHCweLs1DbQw+bh7vw77wm+tSAJ4f+k KoChHFvUsOqoW2Qotbt/Rxh+upTrzc+6n/DPc= Received: by 10.204.113.131 with SMTP id a3mr2881144bkq.123.1290859720800; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d27sm948398bkw.14.2010.11.27.04.08.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:08:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CF0F4CD.2040901@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:08:45 +0200 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Morton References: <4CEE85B7.6090400@gmail.com> <4CEF593E.9090709@ripe.net> <201011262332.oAQNWip2031895@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201011262332.oAQNWip2031895@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] Draft review request - IP classes registry X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:07:41 -0000 27.11.2010 1:33, Al Morton wrote: > At 01:52 AM 11/26/2010, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >> > I have made a draft which, I think, will be interesting >> > for your group. >> > >> > You can find it here: >> > >> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yevstifeyev-ipv4-options-classes-registry/ >> > >> > Could you please give a brief review of it? >> > Any suggestions are welcome. >> >> I think this is out of scope for IPPM. >> >> Henk > > Agree. This has nothing to do with metrics or measurements. > IPPM is *not* the home of all IP registries, and even the > metric registry we have is being considered for withdrawal. > > Perhaps the Internet Area should take a look at this, > especially if there is any relevance to IPv6. If not, then > the need for this may have long passed > (it's IPv4-only, as it stands). > > Al > > > Thank you for an advice. I'll write to INTAREA WG mail list. Mykyta Yevstifeyev From henk@ripe.net Mon Nov 29 01:07:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEDC3A6BBD for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 01:07:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67IBfEAPYXV0 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 01:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7362A3A6BB6 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 01:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PMzj0-00037I-5l for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:08:43 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=guest169.guestnet.ripe.net) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PMzj0-0004d5-1f for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:08:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF36D99.8070608@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:08:41 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5d5cdad4b8e2254dcd6656e19f789a775 X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5d5cdad4b8e2254dcd6656e19f789a775 Subject: [ippm] Beijing Minutes X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:07:36 -0000 IPPM group, I've uploaded a first draft of the Beijing minutes: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/minutes/ippm.txt Comments welcome, till Dec 11, Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician.