From nobody Tue Nov 7 00:18:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A8413FB02 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 00:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzDeTI30QJq1 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 00:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DC4C13FAD4 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 00:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DSD39370; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:18:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:18:36 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.198]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:18:30 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt Thread-Index: AdNXoP0PNU+PyI1MQUirv5u/XU93Xg== Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:18:29 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C5FEC23@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.153.152] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C5FEC23nkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.5A016C5E.0021, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.198, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 15557bdfef2d2a4045cba15b37e7e278 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:18:42 -0000 --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C5FEC23nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I did a review on this draft and think this is very useful, especially sect= ion 10 on passive TCP RTT metrics. I have a few comments for discussion. As= I didn't follow this work before, please forgive me if I raise something a= lready discussed. 1. Section 10 defines the metrics "RTDelay", and it is calculated by = "RTDelay =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev". I'm wondering if RTD_fwd and RTD_rev can a= lso be used as the standard metrics? Because in some scenarios, people may = need to report RTD_fwd and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses. In such a = case, RTDelay may not be enough. 2. Same question to out-of-order segments and duplicate segments. 3. The definition of our-of-order segments, maybe should consider the= case where the ECMP exists? This means that packet losses should be differ= entiated from the real out-of-order packets. 4. What's the plan for section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP l= ayered metrics? BR, Rachel --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C5FEC23nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I did a review on this draft an= d think this is very useful, especially section 10 on passive TCP RTT metri= cs. I have a few comments for discussion. As I didn’t follow this wor= k before, please forgive me if I raise something already discussed.

 

1= .   &= nbsp;   Section 10 defines the = metrics “RTDelay= ”, and it is calculated by “RTDelay = =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev”. I’m won= dering if RTD_fwd and RTD_rev can also be used as the st= andard metrics? Because in some scenarios, people may need to report RTD_fw= d and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses. In such a case, RTDelay may not= be enough.

2= .   &= nbsp;   Same question to out-of-or= der segments and duplicate segments.=

3= .   &= nbsp;   The definition of our-of-o= rder segments, maybe should consider the case where the ECMP exists? This m= eans that packet losses should be differentiated from the real out-of-order= packets.

4= .   &= nbsp;   What’s the plan f= or section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP layered metrics?=

 

BR,

Rachel

--_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C5FEC23nkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Nov 7 11:19:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB02B132F69 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kEWgCTF56RC for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr0-x22e.google.com (mail-wr0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7140132D96 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id 4so265899wrt.0 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:19:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Zi0gC3hdKBlJx+GtFEXbdLzwoOqyN6KY5npAxndkL88=; b=Hc68IU0B8rsYCkrM4UuOnQ1s1THScmzTeXgEVUsPFeTmn1LijN2VNXzlzVSRdzPVNe RkZ6A4HP3W9fHBzBNSGvUN11DOH2sGiaAMIdZflJkBacAoxv9+hItZrHR1zpA45n5rpG iRRTmLDHjDpA7bxqwOMM4DtCXTm23itgP8Lto= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Zi0gC3hdKBlJx+GtFEXbdLzwoOqyN6KY5npAxndkL88=; b=UFLWDYxv8AmIn5RCdo4ruYhtsgbAy6JegyVrvbRnjWdA8aB1E8TDCM6YIUDL1htYvm J64ZFhxGZN1PNMXVjZ5YgXuxcFPwYQDzU4b2NoWmc0LpvrX71mIJE5zbnrWNWSwyqtKq nZpKrQQSlLkZWQb4wMg1VFzoex0emzFcFMKoaGIYOjBFghEwbILhKMtqVwcSGTd+5IUh YOd3o4s2Af17QzYPRHU1JJrn1NdMzERfY1tmH8EIfk+NdvtsjBs2FuOQ+h2TdHJIC7I3 DM04P01aVxwGCWCunOvw60qh3xh6vJVvGepeQV0Guq27oD61dtI+nadM4iFJh0p+dJYf yWAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVEavFRkvikrqF41oo+FEKtBk8Wmhod2CgLYl11Y/dNj3dits4u FvbljIe8SJhYoIm4CHPglQ/fHsP4lf2o7qS1g4OVxw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TA6RAlxjRcgN1gX9MHNLAHgvbrD/oT6rgFK26Gq9gypuPY/gYsQsmucfR5o7Di58C/vNDmttmInxTScxZpS8E= X-Received: by 10.223.136.170 with SMTP id f39mr14567593wrf.162.1510082388172; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:19:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.163.142 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:19:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: John Lemon Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:19:47 -0800 Message-ID: To: Mickey Spiegel Cc: ippm@ietf.org, Rajeev Manur Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11460aac54524e055d6974b1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Proposed modification to draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-00 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 19:19:53 -0000 --001a11460aac54524e055d6974b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, it is possible to calculate ETE delay by having every intermediate node calculate the per-hop delay and adding them all up. However, this is not always possible, takes more computation time, takes more packet space, and is unnecessary when all one wants is the end-to-end delay. I agree that NTP does not usually provide as much precision as desired. However, I am also aware that there are many enterprises that run NTP and do not run PTP. They would like to be able to take advantage of NTP timestamps, which in their case are better than nothing. I also agree that we need an indication of which timestamp time was chosen. I think it was a mistake to try to use the same fields for both PTP and NTP timestamps. I'll modify my proposal to have these use different code points. Thanks, John Lemon On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Mickey Spiegel < mspiegel@barefootnetworks.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:08 AM, John Lemon > wrote: > >> Not having heard any comments on the proposals indicated in the attached >> message, can I assume that no one objects to these? >> > > Timestamp is included in the IOAM Trace Option for the following reason, > quoting from draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-00: > > This fields allows for delay computation between any two nodes in the network when the nodes are time synchronized. > > > While NTP is a great mechanism to synchronize application clocks and > control plane driven events such as SNMP, syslog, or traps, it does not > provide enough precision for data plane delay computations. The mechanisms > defined in IOAM Trace should provide accurate performance monitoring in > terabit network environments for modern data centers, where end-to-end > latency tends to be in tens of nanoseconds. This requires time > synchronization precision of the same order. > > > A couple of other observations regarding the proposed changes: > > 1. There is no indication in the packet whether the timestamp subseconds > field is in nanoseconds or fractional seconds. > > 2. While there is a proposed change to the timestamp subseconds field, > there is no proposed change to the transit delay which remains in > nanoseconds. > > Mickey > > >> >> Thank you for your consideration, >> John Lemon >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:06 PM, John Lemon >> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> We would like to propose two simple changes >>> to draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-00. >>> >>> Change 1: Extend the timestamp to allow it to support both PTP and NTP. >>> The seconds portion would remain largely as is, although the seconds would >>> obviously use different epochs, depending upon which type of timestamp is >>> used within the in-situ OAM domain. The datatype currently named >>> nanoseconds would be renamed to subseconds and would either carry >>> nanoseconds or fractional seconds, for PTP or NTP, respectively. >>> >>> Change 2: Add a few Edge-To-Edge data types. In addition to the >>> currently defined 64-bit sequence number, it would be handy to be able to >>> send a sequence number taking up only 32 bits. And it would be useful to be >>> able to measure delay (and delay variation) across the entire path, without >>> having to use the Hop-By-Hop timestamps to measure at every node in the >>> path. >>> >>> These two changes have been incorporated into a proposed modification of >>> the XML source at GitHub, as indicated by this pull request: >>> https://github.com/inband-oam/ietf/pull/57 >>> >>> An XML2RFC output of the ID with the proposed changes is also attached. >>> >>> Thank you for your consideration, >>> John Lemon >>> Shahram Davari >>> Rajeev Manur >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> >> > --001a11460aac54524e055d6974b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, it is possible to calculate ETE delay by having = every intermediate node calculate the per-hop delay and adding them all up.= However, this is not always possible, takes more computation time, takes m= ore packet space, and is unnecessary when all one wants is the end-to-end d= elay.

I agree that NTP does not usually provide as much= precision as desired. However, I am also aware that there are many enterpr= ises that run NTP and do not run PTP. They would like to be able to take ad= vantage of NTP timestamps, which in their case are better than nothing.
I also agree that we need an indication of which timestamp = time was chosen. I think it was a mistake to try to use the same fields for= both PTP and NTP timestamps. I'll modify my proposal to have these use= different code points.

Thanks,
John Lem= on



=
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Mickey Spiegel = <mspiegel@barefootnetworks.com> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:08 AM, J= ohn Lemon <john.lemon@broadcom.com> wrote:
Not having heard any comments on the proposals in= dicated in the attached message, can I assume that no one objects to these?=

Timestamp is included in the IOAM Trace Option for the follo= wing reason, quoting from draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-00:

This fields allows for delay computation between any two nodes i=
n the network when the nodes are time synchronized.
<= div>

While NTP is a great mechanism to synchronize application clocks and= control plane driven events such as SNMP, syslog, or traps, it does not pr= ovide=C2=A0enough precision for data plane delay computations. The mechanis= ms defined in IOAM Trace should provide accurate performance monitoring in = terabit network environments for modern data centers,=C2=A0where end-to-end= latency tends to be in tens of nanoseconds. This requires time synchroniza= tion precision of the same order.


A co= uple of other observations regarding the proposed changes:

1. There is no indication in the packet whether the t= imestamp=C2=A0subseconds field is in nanoseconds or fractional seconds.

2. While there is a proposed change to t= he timestamp=C2=A0subseconds field, there is no proposed change to the tran= sit delay which remains in nanoseconds.


Mickey
=C2=A0
Thank you for your consideratio= n,
John Lemon



On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 = at 4:06 PM, John Lemon <john.lemon@broadcom.com> wrote= :
Greetings,

We wou= ld like to propose two simple changes to=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-00.

Change 1: Extend the timestamp to allow it t= o support both PTP and NTP. The seconds portion would remain largely as is,= although the seconds would obviously use different epochs, depending upon = which type of timestamp is used within the in-situ OAM domain. The datatype= currently named nanoseconds would be renamed to subseconds and would eithe= r carry nanoseconds or fractional seconds, for PTP or NTP, respectively.

Change 2: Add a few Edge-To-Edge data types. In addi= tion to the currently defined 64-bit sequence number, it would be handy to = be able to send a sequence number taking up only 32 bits. And it would be u= seful to be able to measure delay (and delay variation) across the entire p= ath, without having to use the Hop-By-Hop timestamps to measure at every no= de in the path.

These two changes have been incorp= orated into a proposed modification of the XML source at GitHub, as indicat= ed by this pull request:=C2=A0https://github.com/inband-oam/ietf/pull/57=

An XML2RFC output of the ID with the proposed= changes is also attached.

Thank you for your cons= ideration,
John Lemon
Shahram Davari
Rajeev M= anur


__________________________________________= _____
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm



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Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:35:35 -0300 (ART) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [190.111.200.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C23E140082; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:35:35 -0300 (ART) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:40:38 -0300 Cc: "ippm@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87983F55-AA46-486C-A3C6-72AFDEBCB804@cnet.fi.uba.ar> References: To: Qin Wu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Clock synchronization and the RFC 7679 (A One-Way Delay Metric for IP Performance Metrics) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:40:51 -0000 Dear Qin,=20 The three methods are quite different, you can find information about = TSClock here: =E2=80=A2 Lee, K. S., Wang, H., Shrivastav, V., and = Weatherspoon, H. Globally synchronized time via datacenter networks. In = Proceedings of the 2016 conference on ACM SIGCOMM 2016 Conference = (2016), ACM, pp. 454=E2=80=93467. The others are simpler to find. My proposition is software based.=20 Best, Ignacio _______________________________________________________________ Dr. Ing. Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin CONICET and Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa, Universidad de Buenos Aires Av. Paseo Col=C3=B3n 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705 e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar web: http://cnet.fi.uba.ar/ignacio.alvarez-hamelin/ _______________________________________________________________ > On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Qin Wu wrote: >=20 > How TSClock is different from NTP or IEEE-1588? Is there any reference = to TSClock? Is your new clock synchronization method a software based? >=20 > -Qin > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5= 21:51 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: ippm@ietf.org; ippm-chairs@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [ippm] Clock synchronization and the RFC 7679 (A = One-Way Delay Metric for IP Performance Metrics) >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > The one-way delay measurements need the clock synchronization between = the two endpoints. Moreover, if you are interested in learning how = congestioned is a particular path, you need to study the dynamics of = delay (usually measured as RTT) on each way. The actual methods of clock = synchronization include NTP, TSClosk, and IEEE-1588. While last two are = used in a LAN environment, NTP is wide used in WAN or Internet in = general.=20 > Due to NTP has not good accuracy (around 10ms and even worse when = computers are far from NTP's sources), we are developing a new clock = synchronization method for two endpoints on the Internet. This proposed = approach could be useful for learning about path congestion since it can = achieve an error of 10microseconds without any supplementary hardware.=20= > I think that next meeting could be an opportunity to present it if = this WG welcomes this topic.=20 >=20 >=20 > With my best regards, >=20 >=20 > Dr. Ing. Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin > _______________________________________________________________ >=20 > CONICET and Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa, Universidad de Buenos Aires = Av. 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Please see replies in-line below, [ACM], Al From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huangyihong (Rachel) Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 3:18 AM To: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt Hi, I did a review on this draft and think this is very useful, especially sect= ion 10 on passive TCP RTT metrics. I have a few comments for discussion. As= I didn't follow this work before, please forgive me if I raise something a= lready discussed. [ACM] Section 10 is completely new, so there's no risk of repeating past discussion (repeats are probably safer when asked on the list, if they happen at all, and newer folks are always entitled to a few basic questions, IMO). 1. Section 10 defines the metrics "RTDelay", and it is calculated by = "RTDelay =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev". I'm wondering if RTD_fwd and RTD_rev can a= lso be used as the standard metrics? Because in some scenarios, people may = need to report RTD_fwd and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses. In such a = case, RTDelay may not be enough. [ACM] It would be possible. For example, I think that the RTD of the 3-way Handshake should be treated as a separate singleton of RTD for each connection measured, and added to the results reported (RTDelay-SA). So, think about what statistics of RTD_fwd and RTD_rev would help with network diagnosis. 2. Same question to out-of-order segments and duplicate segments. [ACM] Also possible, but we should also be aware that the Performance Metric entries were mostly intended for comparison between different networks measured exactly the same way (with less focus on troubleshooting). 3. The definition of our-of-order segments, maybe should consider the= case where the ECMP exists? This means that packet losses should be differ= entiated from the real out-of-order packets. [ACM] You mean distinguishing out-of-order due to loss or true re-ordering? I think this is where Brian's heuristic of evaluation in RTT intervals will help: We will probably see re-ordered packets filling a sequence number gap during the *same* RTT interval as the out-of-order packets that created the gap. (I'm using the RFC4737 definition of Re-ordered packets here, they arrive "late".) @@@@ This additional heuristic needs to appear in the draft, if we agree on how it works. Also, keep in mind that ECMP usually comes with some form of flow-hashing to keep all packets of a flow on a single ECMP subpath. Recognizing this network behavior and measuring it are the goals of Paris Traceroute and the Route Ensemble metric draft. Have a look: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amf-ippm-route-01 4. What's the plan for section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP l= ayered metrics? [ACM] That's a great Question! Section 12 contains an example of an earlier version of the Registry Format applied to RTCP-XR Burst/Gap Metric. I wrote this entry to prove that the format proposed at that time was needed and useful for RTCP metrics, so *not* just for IPPM metrics (which was the criticism at the moment). It was a lot of work to put this entry together, so I've been reluctant to delete this section. I suppose it could be revised to fit the current Registry Format. But, is there a particular RTCP metric that folks want to see registered? Worth discussing a bit further... -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- BR, Rachel --_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF490401D5njmtexg5researc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Rachel,

Thanks for your review and comments!

Please see replies in-line below, [ACM],<= /o:p>

Al

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huangyihong (Rachel)
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 3:18 AM
To: ippm@ietf.org
Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt<= o:p>

 =

Hi,<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

I did a r= eview on this draft and think this is very useful, especially section 10 on= passive TCP RTT metrics. I have a few comments for discussion. As I didn&#= 8217;t follow this work before, please forgive me if I raise something already discussed.

[ACM]

Section 10 is compl= etely new, so there’s no risk of

repeating past disc= ussion (repeats are probably

safer when asked on= the list, if they happen at all,

and newer folks are= always entitled to a few basic

questions, IMO).

&nbs= p;

1.       S= ection 10 defines the metrics “RTDelay”, and it is calculated by “RTDelay =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev”. I’m wondering if RTD_fwd and R= TD_rev can also be used as the standard metrics? Because in some scenarios,= people may need to report RTD_fwd and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses= . In such a case, RTDelay may not be enough.

[ACM]

It would be possibl= e. For example, I think that the

RTD of the 3-way Ha= ndshake should be treated as a separate

singleton of RTD fo= r each connection measured, and added

to the results repo= rted (RTDelay-SA). So, think about

what statistics of = RTD_fwd and RTD_rev would help with

network diagnosis.<= o:p>

 

2.       Same question to out-of-order segments and duplicate segments.

[ACM]

Also possible, but = we should also be aware that the

Performance Metric = entries were mostly intended for

comparison between = different networks measured exactly

the same way (with = less focus on troubleshooting).

 

3.       The definition of our-of-order segments, maybe should consider t= he case where the ECMP exists? This means that packet losses should be diff= erentiated from the real out-of-order packets.

[ACM]

You mean distinguis= hing out-of-order due to loss or true re-ordering?

I think this is whe= re Brian’s heuristic of evaluation

in RTT intervals wi= ll help: We will probably see

re-ordered packets = filling a sequence number gap

during the *same= * RTT interval as the out-of-order

packets that create= d the gap. (I’m using the RFC4737

definition of Re-or= dered packets here, they arrive “late”.)

 

@@@@ This additiona= l heuristic needs to appear

in the draft, if we= agree on how it works.

 

Also, keep in mind = that ECMP usually comes with some form

of flow-hashing to = keep all packets of a flow on a single

ECMP subpath. Recog= nizing this network behavior and

measuring it are th= e goals of Paris Traceroute and

the Route Ensemble = metric draft. Have a look:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-amf-ippm-route-01

<= /p>

 

4.       W= hat’s the plan for section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP layer= ed metrics?

[ACM]

That’s a grea= t Question!  Section 12 contains an example

of an earlier versi= on of the Registry Format applied to

RTCP-XR Burst/Gap M= etric. I wrote this entry to prove  

that the format pro= posed at that time was needed and useful

for RTCP metrics, s= o *not* just for IPPM metrics (which was

the criticism at th= e moment).

 

It was a lot of wor= k to put this entry together, so I’ve

been reluctant to d= elete this section. I suppose

it could be revised= to fit the current Registry Format.

But, is there a par= ticular RTCP metric that folks want to

see registered?&nbs= p; Worth discussing a bit further...

 

-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-

&= nbsp;

BR,<= /o:p>

Rachel

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I fully agree with the proposed new text and in particular with the "for future specifications involving TWAMP-Test to use this port as a default port". Regards, Greg On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:54 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Greg and all, > > > > We can clarify the wording in the =E2=80=93port draft, > > at least. I suggest to take the long sentence > > I wrote and structure it differently in three > > sentences: > > > > OLD > > It may simplify some operations to have a well-known port > > available for the Test protocols as a default port, and this memo > > requests re-assignment of the UDP well-known port from the Control > > protocol to the Test protocol (see the IANA Considerations > > Section 7). > > > > NEW > > This memo requests re-assignment of the UDP well-known port from > > the Control protocol to the Test protocol (see the IANA > > Considerations Section 7). > > > > Use of this UDP port is OPTIONAL in standards-track OWAMP and TWAMP. > > > > It may simplify some operations to have a well-known port available > > for the Test protocols, or for future specifications involving > > TWAMP-Test to use this port as a default port. > > > > -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > > > It will also help to consider how we represent an option like > > this in the TWAMP YANG model, before we=E2=80=99re done with the wording = ... > > > > regards, > > Al > > > > > > > > *From:* Greg Mirsky [mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com = ] > > *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 10:08 AM > > *To:* MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > *Cc:* Nalini J Elkins; IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG > *Subject:* Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04 > > > > Hi Al, > > thank you for your careful consideration of the proposal and the most > detailed analysis in response. I agree that further discussion is needed. > Perhaps we can hear from TWAMP implementors. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > I think it will be difficult to refer to the > > re-assigned UDP port assignment as a new =E2=80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D > > port for all TWAMP Test Receivers. There are > > thousands of existing instances of RFC5357 > > that will not use the re-assigned port. > > A new Default would be a kind of requirement > > applied retro-actively; I don=E2=80=99t think that works. > > > > In our re-assignment draft, we have this sentence > > in the section on New Well-Known Ports: > > > > **It may simplify some operations** to have a well-known port > > available for the Test protocols as a default port, and this memo > > requests re-assignment of the UDP well-known port from the Control > > protocol to the Test protocol (see the IANA Considerations > > Section 7). > > > > I don=E2=80=99t read this as mandating support for > > the UDP port re-assigned to the Test protocol. > > We=E2=80=99re just making the well-known port **available**. > > > > Depending on the progression of the two drafts, > > I don=E2=80=99t think I have an issue with =E2=80=9Crange 862 | 49152..65= 535;=E2=80=9D > > but let=E2=80=99s clarify the status of UDP port. > > > > regards, > > Al > > > > > > > > *From:* Greg Mirsky [mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 6:10 AM > *To:* MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > *Cc:* Nalini J Elkins; IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG > > > *Subject:* Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04 > > > > Hi Nalini, et. al, > > in Prague meeting the WG had discussed re-allocation of UDP port 862 as > TWAMP-Test Receiver port and now we have joint draft OWAMP and TWAMP > Well-Known Port Assignments > ready > to progress. If and when IANA re-assigns UDP port 862 to TWAMP-Test > definition of reflector-udp-port must be changed as it is no longer just= dynamic-port-number > but includes 862. One way to address may be to change type of > reflector-udp-port to unint32, define range explicitly as "range 862 | 49= 152..65535;" > and add "default 862;" as well. The changes are limited but there's some > time until IANA acts. How these changes to be handled for YANG data model > of TWAMP? > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Greg Mirsky > wrote: > > Hi Al, > > thank you for the most expedient response. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:10 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > wrote: > > Hi Greg, please see reply below, > > > > *From:* ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Mirsky > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:58 AM > *To:* Nalini J Elkins > *Cc:* IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG > *Subject:* Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04 > > > > Hi Nalini, > > thank you for volunteering for Shepherd of this document. > > I've noticed that the Technical Summary section mentions that TWAMP is > being used to measure bandwidth among other performance parameters. Is th= at > in reference to RFC 6802? AFAIK, TWAMP YANG model does not support > extensions to TWAMP defined in RFC 6802. > > *[ACM] * > > *No, there are certainly many ways to assess bandwidth with UDP* > > *packets which do not involve the features and/or IPR of RFC 6802.* > > > > *Al* > > > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Nalini J Elkins < > nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> wrote: > > All, > > Please find the Shepherd write up at the link below: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp- > yang/shepherdwriteup/ > > > Thanks, > > Nalini Elkins > CEO and Founder > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > > (831) 659-8360 > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > > > > > > > > > --94eb2c1cfb48a34d5f055dadf2d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Al,
excellent! I fully agree with the proposed new = text and in particular with the "for=C2=A0= future specification= s involving

TWAMP-Test to use this port as a default port= ".



Regards,

Gre= g


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:54 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acmorton= @att.com> wrote:

Hi Greg and all,

=C2=A0

We can clarify the wording in the =E2=80=93por= t draft,

at least. I suggest to take the long sentence<= u>

I wrote and structure it differently in three<= u>

sentences:

=C2=A0

OLD

=C2=A0=C2=A0 It may simplify some operations t= o have a well-known port

=C2=A0=C2=A0 available for the Test protocols = as a default port, and this memo

=C2=A0=C2=A0 requests re-assignment of the UDP= well-known port from the Control

=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol to the Test protocol (se= e the IANA Considerations

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 7).<= /p>

=C2=A0

NEW

This memo requests re-assignment of the UDP we= ll-known port from

the Control protocol to the Test protocol (see= the IANA

Considerations Section 7).

=C2=A0

Use of this UDP port is OPTIONAL in sta= ndards-track OWAMP and TWAMP.

=C2=A0

It may simplify some operations to have a well= -known port available

for the Test protocols, or for future specific= ations involving

TWAMP-Test to use this port as a default port.=

=C2=A0

-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-

=C2=A0

It will also help to consider how we represent= an option like

this in the TWAMP YANG model, before we=E2=80= =99re done with the wording ...

=C2=A0

regards,

Al

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Greg Mir= sky [mailto:greg= imirsky@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:08 AM


To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
Cc: Nalini J Elkins; IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG
Subject: Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi Al,

thank you for your careful consideration of the prop= osal and the most detailed analysis in response. I agree that further discu= ssion is needed. Perhaps we can hear from TWAMP implementors.=

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (= AL) <acmorton@att.= com> wrote:

Hi Greg,

=C2=A0

I think it will be difficult to refer to the

re-assigned UDP port assignment as a new =E2= =80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D

port for all TWAMP Test Receivers. There are

thousands of existing instances of RFC5357

that will not use the re-assigned port.=

A new Default would be a kind of requirement

applied retro-actively; I don=E2=80=99t think = that works.

=C2=A0

In our re-assignment draft, we have this sente= nce

in the section on New Well-Known Ports:=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 *It may simplify some operatio= ns* to have a well-known port

=C2=A0=C2=A0 available for the Test protocols = as a default port, and this memo

=C2=A0=C2=A0 requests re-assignment of the UDP= well-known port from the Control

=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol to the Test protocol (se= e the IANA Considerations

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 7).<= /p>

=C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t read this as mandating support= for

the UDP port re-assigned to the Test protocol.=

We=E2=80=99re just making the well-known port = *available*.

=C2=A0

Depending on the progression of the two drafts= ,

I don=E2=80=99t think I have an issue with =E2= =80=9Crange 862 | 49152..65535;=E2=80=9D

but let=E2=80=99s clarify the status of UDP po= rt.

=C2=A0

regards,

Al

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Greg Mir= sky [mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:10 AM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
Cc: Nalini J Elkins; IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG<= /p>


Subject: Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi Nalini, et. al,

in Prague meeting the WG had discussed=C2=A0 re-allo= cation of UDP port 862 as TWAMP-Test Receiver port and now we have joint dr= aft=C2=A0OWAMP and TWAMP Well-Known Port Assignments=C2=A0ready to progress. If and = when IANA re-assigns UDP port 862 to TWAMP-Test definition of=C2=A0<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-ser= if";color:black">reflector-udp-port must be changed=C2=A0=C2=A0as it is no longer just=C2=A0dynamic-port-number but includes 862. On= e way to address may be to change type of reflector-udp-port to unint32, define range explicitly as "range 862 |=C2=A049152..65535;" and add "default 862;" as well. The cha= nges are limited but there's some time until IANA acts. How these chang= es to be handled for YANG data model of TWAMP?

=C2=A0

Regards,=

Greg

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Hi Al,

thank you for the most expedient response.=

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:10 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (A= L) <acmorton@att.c= om> wrote:

Hi Greg, please see reply below,=

=C2=A0

From: ippm [ma= ilto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Mirsky
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:58 AM
To: Nalini J Elkins
Cc: IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG
Subject: Re: [ippm] Shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-04<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi Nalini,

thank you for volunteering for Shepherd of this docu= ment.

I've noticed that the Technical Summary section = mentions that TWAMP is being used to measure bandwidth among other performa= nce parameters. Is that in reference to RFC 6802? AFAIK, TWAMP YANG model does not support extensions to TWAMP defined in RFC 6802.= =C2=A0

[ACM]

No, there are certainly many ways to ass= ess bandwidth with UDP

packets which do not involve the feature= s and/or IPR of RFC 6802.

=C2=A0

Al

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Nalini J Elkins &l= t;nal= ini.elkins@insidethestack.com> wrote:

All,

Please find the Shepherd write up at the link below:

https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/shepherdwriteup/

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www= .insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360
_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0


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=?utf-8?q?etf-ippm-alt-mark-13=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:15:03 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A couple of high level comments on the structure and intention of this document: 1) As the shepherd write-up states „this specification does not define protocol extensions but instead a method which can be used by different protocols“ therefore I think it should be informational. 2) I think section 5.1 should be moved to the appendix or even into a new document that could be send to the ISE. If the intention is that DSCP marking is explained as an example, there is no need to talk about Telecom Italia or any specific details of their implementation. The level of detail for the DCSP approach should stay similar as for sections 5.2-5.4 with no need to mention that this is in use by Telecom Italia. Respectively, section 8 does also not need to name Telecom Italia’s deployment but can simply refer to the use of DSCP as one example. 3) There is quite some redundancy in the text that could be removed and would make the document shorter and even easier to read. Respectively, I don’t think section 7 as well as some of the motivation text in the intro is needed. Nits: 1) maybe s/a live traffic flow/an active traffic flow/ … not sure what is meant with „live“ here. 2) In section 9, this is incorrect: „Nevertheless, the method implies modifications on the fly to the IP header of data packets…“
as using DSCP is just one possible implementation. It should say probably instead:
„Nevertheless, the method implies modifications on the fly to a header or encapsulation of the data packets…“ Similarly, this sentence should be adapted: „The privacy concerns of network measurement are limited because the method only relies on information contained in the IP header without any release of user data.“ From nobody Sat Nov 11 20:55:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D52512751F; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9cpeA6ByUN3R; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:55:25 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network); 12 Nov 2017 06:05:20 +0100 Received: from dhcp-80f9.meeting.ietf.org (31.133.128.249) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 12 Nov 2017 06:05:20 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:05:15 +0800 Cc: The IESG , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F234FD4-8A28-4A5F-BF8D-35C1FBB7806D@kuehlewind.net> References: <151041330277.16183.16350539647825979103.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Fioccola Giuseppe X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-PPP-Message-ID: <20171112050520.5383.13378@lvps83-169-45-111.dedicated.hosteurope.de> X-PPP-Vhost: kuehlewind.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?R=3A_Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_d?= =?utf-8?q?raft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:12:05 -0000 Hi Guiseppe, please see below. > Am 12.11.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Fioccola Giuseppe = : >=20 > Hi Mirja, > Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. > See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > Giuseppe >=20 > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]=20 > Inviato: sabato 11 novembre 2017 16:15 > A: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; = ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org > Oggetto: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > A couple of high level comments on the structure and intention of this = document: >=20 > 1) As the shepherd write-up states =E2=80=9Ethis specification does = not define protocol extensions but instead a method which can be used by = different protocols=E2=80=9C therefore I think it should be = informational. >=20 > [GF]:Ok, good. This is only my recommendation. Please wait for more feedback from the = other IESG members on this and confirm with the responsible AD = (Spencer), and the working group, before you do any changes here. >=20 > 2) I think section 5.1 should be moved to the appendix or even into a = new document that could be send to the ISE. If the intention is that = DSCP marking is explained as an example, there is no need to talk about = Telecom Italia or any specific details of their implementation. The = level of detail for the DCSP approach should stay similar as for = sections 5.2-5.4 with no need to mention that this is in use by Telecom = Italia. Respectively, section 8 does also not need to name Telecom = Italia=E2=80=99s deployment but can simply refer to the use of DSCP as = one example. >=20 > [GF]: If needed we can investigate how to reduce section 5.1. Please = note that some sentences have been added (also to this section) during = the IETF Last Call reviews. In addition the level of detail in 5.1 is = different than 5.2-5.4 because this experimental use case have no = dedicated document. I think the number of mentions of Telecom Italia can = be further reduced (e.g. in the title of section 5.1 and more) but I = would suggest to leave a few, because this company employs this = technology for the first time. Agree, Section 8 should omit any = references to Telecom Italia.=20 The nicer way to do is, would be to have a section (5.1) on DSCP that is = on a similar level of details than the other subsections, and add a = separate section on implementation experience. We have often these = sections in drafts that report on existing implementations that, = however, are usually removed before final publication (because their are = mostly intended for wg-internal information). Therefore if you want to = keep an implementation report in the draft, it would probably more = appropriate to move that to the appendix. Mirja=20 >=20 > 3) There is quite some redundancy in the text that could be removed = and would make the document shorter and even easier to read. = Respectively, I don=E2=80=99t think section 7 as well as some of the = motivation text in the intro is needed. >=20 > [GF]: Yes, section 7 is not crucial also in my view (and some = sentences that can be moved in the introduction). >=20 > Nits: > 1) maybe s/a live traffic flow/an active traffic flow/ =E2=80=A6 not = sure what is meant with =E2=80=9Elive=E2=80=9C here. 2) In section 9, = this is incorrect: =E2=80=9ENevertheless, the method implies = modifications on the fly to the IP header of data packets=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9C= as using DSCP is just one possible implementation. It should say = probably > instead: > =E2=80=9ENevertheless, the method implies modifications on the fly to = a header or encapsulation of the data packets=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9C = Similarly, this sentence should be > adapted: =E2=80=9EThe privacy concerns of network measurement are = limited because the method only relies on information contained in the = IP header without any release of user data.=E2=80=9C >=20 > [GF]: Ok, consider it done. >=20 >=20 > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente = alle persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione = derivante dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente = vietate. 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boundary="f403045f2b447399de055dd60300" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?R=3A_Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_d?= =?utf-8?q?raft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:50:50 -0000 --f403045f2b447399de055dd60300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Guiseppe, On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Fioccola Giuseppe < giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote: > Hi Mirja, > Please see my answers below, tagged as [GF]. > > Giuseppe > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] > Inviato: domenica 12 novembre 2017 06:05 > A: Fioccola Giuseppe > Cc: The IESG; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org > Oggetto: Re: [ippm] R: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on > draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) > > Hi Guiseppe, > > please see below. > > > Am 12.11.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Fioccola Giuseppe telecomitalia.it>: > > > > Hi Mirja, > > Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. > > See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Giuseppe > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Da: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] > > Inviato: sabato 11 novembre 2017 16:15 > > A: The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; > ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org > > Oggetto: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mar= k-13: > (with COMMENT) > > > > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > A couple of high level comments on the structure and intention of this > document: > > > > 1) As the shepherd write-up states =E2=80=9Ethis specification does not= define > protocol extensions but instead a method which can be used by different > protocols=E2=80=9C therefore I think it should be informational. > > > > [GF]:Ok, good. > > This is only my recommendation. Please wait for more feedback from the > other IESG members on this and confirm with the responsible AD (Spencer), > and the working group, before you do any changes here. > > [GF]: Yes I know. > > > > > 2) I think section 5.1 should be moved to the appendix or even into a > new document that could be send to the ISE. If the intention is that DSCP > marking is explained as an example, there is no need to talk about Teleco= m > Italia or any specific details of their implementation. The level of deta= il > for the DCSP approach should stay similar as for sections 5.2-5.4 with no > need to mention that this is in use by Telecom Italia. Respectively, > section 8 does also not need to name Telecom Italia=E2=80=99s deployment = but can > simply refer to the use of DSCP as one example. > > > > [GF]: If needed we can investigate how to reduce section 5.1. Please > note that some sentences have been added (also to this section) during th= e > IETF Last Call reviews. In addition the level of detail in 5.1 is differe= nt > than 5.2-5.4 because this experimental use case have no dedicated documen= t. > I think the number of mentions of Telecom Italia can be further reduced > (e.g. in the title of section 5.1 and more) but I would suggest to leave = a > few, because this company employs this technology for the first time. > Agree, Section 8 should omit any references to Telecom Italia. > > The nicer way to do is, would be to have a section (5.1) on DSCP that is > on a similar level of details than the other subsections, and add a > separate section on implementation experience. We have often these sectio= ns > in drafts that report on existing implementations that, however, are > usually removed before final publication (because their are mostly intend= ed > for wg-internal information). Therefore if you want to keep an > implementation report in the draft, it would probably more appropriate to > move that to the appendix. > > [GF]: Yes, it makes sense. Thanks for your suggestion and for the shared > experience on previous documents. I think that this point will also be > discussed with the other IESG members, the responsible AD Spencer and the > IPPM WG in order to find the agreed solution. Count on it :-) Spencer --f403045f2b447399de055dd60300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Guiseppe,

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Fioccola Giuseppe <giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
Hi Mirja,
Please see my answers below, tagged as [GF].

Giuseppe

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) [mailto:= ietf@kuehlewind.net]
Inviato: domenica 12 novembre 2017 06:05
A: Fioccola Giuseppe
Cc: The IESG; ippm-chairs@ietf.org<= /a>; draft-ietf-ippm-a= lt-mark@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org
Oggetto: Re: [ippm] R: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on draft-iet= f-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT)

Hi Guiseppe,

please see below.

> Am 12.11.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Fioccola Giuseppe <giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.i= t>:
>
> Hi Mirja,
> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments.
> See my answers inline tagged as [GF].
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Giuseppe
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]
> Inviato: sabato 11 novembre 2017 16:15
> A: The IESG
> Cc: draft-ietf-ip= pm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org
> Oggetto: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-al= t-mark-13: (with COMMENT)
>
> Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this int= roductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
> COMMENT:
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
>
> A couple of high level comments on the structure and intention of this= document:
>
> 1) As the shepherd write-up states =E2=80=9Ethis specification does no= t define protocol extensions but instead a method which can be used by diff= erent protocols=E2=80=9C therefore I think it should be informational.
>
> [GF]:Ok, good.

This is only my recommendation. Please wait for more feedback from the othe= r IESG members on this and confirm with the responsible AD (Spencer), and t= he working group, before you do any changes here.

[GF]: Yes I know.

>
> 2) I think section 5.1 should be moved to the appendix or even into a = new document that could be send to the ISE. If the intention is that DSCP m= arking is explained as an example, there is no need to talk about Telecom I= talia or any specific details of their implementation. The level of detail = for the DCSP approach should stay similar as for sections 5.2-5.4 with no n= eed to mention that this is in use by Telecom Italia. Respectively, section= 8 does also not need to name Telecom Italia=E2=80=99s deployment but can s= imply refer to the use of DSCP as one example.
>
> [GF]: If needed we can investigate how to reduce section 5.1. Please n= ote that some sentences have been added (also to this section) during the I= ETF Last Call reviews. In addition the level of detail in 5.1 is different = than 5.2-5.4 because this experimental use case have no dedicated document.= I think the number of mentions of Telecom Italia can be further reduced (e= .g. in the title of section 5.1 and more) but I would suggest to leave a fe= w, because this company employs this technology for the first time. Agree, = Section 8 should omit any references to Telecom Italia.

The nicer way to do is, would be to have a section (5.1) on DSCP that is on= a similar level of details than the other subsections, and add a separate = section on implementation experience. We have often these sections in draft= s that report on existing implementations that, however, are usually remove= d before final publication (because their are mostly intended for wg-intern= al information). Therefore if you want to keep an implementation report in = the draft, it would probably more appropriate to move that to the appendix.=

[GF]: Yes, it makes sense. Thanks for your suggestion and for the sh= ared experience on previous documents. I think that this point will also be= discussed with the other IESG members, the responsible AD Spencer and the = IPPM WG in order to find the agreed solution.

Count on it :-)

Spencer=C2=A0
= --f403045f2b447399de055dd60300-- From nobody Sun Nov 12 23:02:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0D126C23 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfQdjh-eAepG for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from virgo02.ee.ethz.ch (virgo02.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.72.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 975B91200C1 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virgo02.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yb1mT1qqPz15MRQ for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:02:33 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at virgo02.ee.ethz.ch Received: from virgo02.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virgo02.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgyRgvoHaXdc for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:02:32 +0100 (CET) X-MtScore: NO score=0 Received: from dhcp-808c.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-808c.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.128.140]) by virgo02.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:02:31 +0100 (CET) From: Brian Trammell Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1052ECA5-EFDA-45E8-BEC5-FA4F5321FA00"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:02:29 +0800 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:02:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1052ECA5-EFDA-45E8-BEC5-FA4F5321FA00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this = morning, this message begins a call for adoption for = draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a working group draft to meet the following = new milestone: Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for = unidirectional route assessment to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to = ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. 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Thanks, cheers, Brian, as IPPM co-chair --Apple-Mail=_3C3D3690-1931-49AF-8514-655C042AD937 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEkCTSTp2bIB6fBRHIihK3vwvqRqMFAloJRCsACgkQihK3vwvq RqPlihAAwOgGeTqla5H0sWLNFZwqm8BVDF/vFqHfarvpzuNtzNrXNXClvjJ5cLCY 8P//pzvqeSb54zKDVYOZgW2khOSRREMD1fkpEX/+lgXTZC9hHYmmPCott14C/kfY acy/ECNfLsaYgJdIihs6QWhfcAkrfFxU6P65gqpyKoOFzxwxmk/78lq8ztHvyu6B 3QeBVdENajj4/FylqbFXiVRTXLCEbMXJGJ946x676bBpFrGnHrgz1I8ILwhrZEgi ph2poz52VljSVMIwdrsdIRqarD/viA3/tAx3EowM4WG+kmlXREF9MCZ5qad8TCK2 LHtnhw6TKgGKc+qVBiFczR/45QFeYkuFUUcFl7wJLtR5hje7QJaisiDWVLLkra7A SOPJQjyG4EZa3YGFuF2y9V4m0YWx9vfDljauJ6/QbCGF6tpNJSmY46aPxOBD+7Sn ed3wvJzMN1uGW1y7iYw0wWaTuEXcv/Ww4uR7NOgToRHfzMr1BcrMCje1d4QqhXO3 h0JbOy6sBD0BKiy9hrS13jhwsJwjLb8B6d1H31i+k2Vq8b5hDZURbvqVaxXSlq8G aF0vNl91bGrUEza5hR6wog9GKOUIodukomHH1vQXTsP7v3vtaAN5QWnBoDbGPwCM hEPe7bI/hhOalnup/FzTXu64ntKWB4RIXXwSDvq8TU/+2LQKx4o= =Y3qt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3C3D3690-1931-49AF-8514-655C042AD937-- From nobody Sun Nov 12 23:11:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EF112948F for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:11:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xSeKI1CRKVaS for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [212.25.24.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F36C129483 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C3A340DB1 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:11:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/18338.24317); Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:11:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from switchplus-mail.ch (switchplus-mail.ch [212.25.8.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:11:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhcp-808c.meeting.ietf.org (account ietf@trammell.ch [31.133.128.140] verified) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.18) with ESMTPSA id 35758297 for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:11:20 +0100 From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A79CFC2E-4D85-4177-86F1-D1835E186D48"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:11:15 +0800 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:11:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A79CFC2E-4D85-4177-86F1-D1835E186D48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this = morning, this message begins a call for adoption for = draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as = working group drafts to meet the following new milestone: Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way = active measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model = to control it, to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or = comments on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 = December 2017. 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Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:24:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.54.70 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:24:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> From: Vinayak Hegde Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:54:19 +0530 Message-ID: To: Brian Trammell Cc: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:24:23 -0000 I think you mean ippm@ietf.org instead of ietf@ietf.org below. -- Vinayak On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Trammell wrote: > Greetings, all, > > Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a working group draft to meet the following new milestone: > > Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirectional route assessment to the IESG > > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian, as IPPM co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > From nobody Mon Nov 13 17:12:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1DC126E7A for ; 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Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:12:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [118.200.130.32] (account ietf@trammell.ch HELO [192.168.7.165]) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.18) with ESMTPSA id 35872580; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:12:42 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A432) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:12:36 +0800 Cc: Brian Trammell , Vinayak Hegde Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4DC475E7-7B09-428C-89B3-C1E687A7F476@trammell.ch> References: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> To: IETF IPPM WG Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:12:47 -0000 Thanks Vinayak for the correction; yes, please send messages about this adop= tion call to ippm@ietf.org. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2017, at 20:24, Vinayak Hegde wrote: >=20 > I think you mean ippm@ietf.org instead of ietf@ietf.org below. >=20 > -- Vinayak >=20 > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Trammell > wrote: >> Greetings, all, >>=20 >> Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this mo= rning, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 a= s a working group draft to meet the following new milestone: >>=20 >> Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirecti= onal route assessment to the IESG >>=20 >> Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@i= etf.org by 5 December 2017. >>=20 >> Thanks, cheers, >>=20 >> Brian, as IPPM co-chair >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Nov 13 17:14:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A55F126E7A for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1IMILYybTDzC for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [212.25.24.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61E4512704B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3074A34030C for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/18338.21205); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from switchplus-mail.ch (switchplus-mail.ch [212.25.8.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [118.200.130.32] (account ietf@trammell.ch HELO [192.168.7.165]) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.18) with ESMTPSA id 35872605 for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:00 +0100 From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:13:55 +0800 Message-Id: References: <392F5550-E9BE-48B8-8155-8BCD55B74F59@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: <392F5550-E9BE-48B8-8155-8BCD55B74F59@trammell.ch> To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A432) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:14:04 -0000 Thanks Vinayak for the correction; please send messages about this adoption c= all as well to ippm@ietf.org. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2017, at 15:05, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this mor= ning, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-morton-ippm-port-twa= mp-test-01 as a working group draft to meet the following new milestone: >=20 > Mar 2018: Submit a Standards Track draft defining well-known ports for OWA= MP and TWAMP to the IESG >=20 > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ie= tf.org by 5 December 2017. >=20 > Thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian, as IPPM co-chair From nobody Mon Nov 13 17:15:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFA2126D74 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NDlz8XO-rbUS for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [212.25.24.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD33D126E7A for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF40340502 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/18338.24846); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from switchplus-mail.ch (switchplus-mail.ch [212.25.8.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [118.200.130.32] (account ietf@trammell.ch HELO [192.168.7.165]) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.18) with ESMTPSA id 35872629 for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:55 +0100 From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:14:54 +0800 Message-Id: References: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A432) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:14:59 -0000 And this one too: please send messages about this adoption call to ippm@ietf= .org. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2017, at 15:11, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, t= his message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and dr= aft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the following n= ew milestone: >=20 > Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active= measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control i= t, to the IESG >=20 > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or commen= ts on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. >=20 > Thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian, as IPPM co-chair From nobody Mon Nov 13 18:55:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1051292FD for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:55:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8nIDSRG7czIu for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD4FA12878D for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049295.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049295.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:54:43 -0600 Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (mail-blue.research.att.com [135.207.178.11]) by clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vAE2saMe021854; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:54:37 -0600 Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njmtcas2.research.att.com [135.207.255.47]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC40CF102A; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from njmtexg5.research.att.com ([fe80::b09c:ff13:4487:78b6]) by njmtcas2.research.att.com ([fe80::d550:ec84:f872:cad9%15]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:54:35 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test to end 5 Dec 2017 Thread-Index: AQHTXE3NxinXMNpky0+v+2WCMCcHWKMTZuSA///GuDA= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:54:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF49041661@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <392F5550-E9BE-48B8-8155-8BCD55B74F59@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.140.49] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-11-14_02:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1711140037 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:55:12 -0000 IPPM, After discussion on the list and during our session on Monday, I have revised the text in section 5.0 as agreed, and submitted version 02: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test/ The change described above is the only difference from 01.=20 regards, Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell > (IETF) > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:14 PM > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test > to end 5 Dec 2017 >=20 > Thanks Vinayak for the correction; please send messages about this > adoption call as well to ippm@ietf.org. >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > > On 13 Nov 2017, at 15:05, Brian Trammell (IETF) > wrote: > > > > Greetings, all, > > > > Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this > morning, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-morton-ippm- > port-twamp-test-01 as a working group draft to meet the following new > milestone: > > > > Mar 2018: Submit a Standards Track draft defining well-known ports for > OWAMP and TWAMP to the IESG > > > > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to > ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. > > > > Thanks, cheers, > > > > Brian, as IPPM co-chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DimPY86ziJSF4JohSKeaphid9= brO > EkcDss227KZYqOa4&s=3DEXzLnPBy4Za2W3O0gMQaIsmERXY-uTHSu4C0qGUmgNU&e=3D From nobody Tue Nov 14 00:49:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9535B124D6C for ; 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Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:49:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:49:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Nalini J Elkins Reply-To: Nalini J Elkins To: Nalini J Elkins , IETF IPPM WG Message-ID: <965681116.178679.1510649370783@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <250219985.1486417.1510628482189@mail.yahoo.com> References: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <250219985.1486417.1510628482189@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_178678_649382679.1510649370783" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.10942 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/62.0.3202.94 Safari/537.36 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:49:36 -0000 ------=_Part_178678_649382679.1510649370783 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_178677_1380700250.1510649370746" ------=_Part_178677_1380700250.1510649370746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support adoption of this draft.=C2=A0Thanks, Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 =20 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Brian Trammell To: IETF IPPM WG =20 Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:02 PM Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 =20 Greetings, all, Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morn= ing, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as= a working group draft to meet the following new milestone: Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirection= al route assessment to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@iet= f.org by 5 December 2017. Thanks, cheers, Brian, as IPPM co-chair_______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm =20 =20 ------=_Part_178677_1380700250.1510649370746 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



I support adoption of this draft.<= /div>
 
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
In= side Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360


<= /div>

----- Forwarded Messa= ge -----
From: Brian Trammell <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@iet= f.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:02 PM
Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft= -amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017
=

Greetings, all,

Foll= owing clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning,= this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a w= orking group draft to meet the following new milestone:
<= /div>

Jul 2019: S= ubmit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirectional route as= sessment to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support= of this adoption to ietf@ietf.org= by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian, as IPPM co-= chair
_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
https= ://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm




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yes, please send messages about this > adoption call to ippm@ietf.org. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Nov 2017, at 20:24, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > > > > I think you mean ippm@ietf.org instead of ietf@ietf.org below. > > > > -- Vinayak > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Trammell > > wrote: > >> Greetings, all, > >> > >> Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this > morning, this message begins a call for adoption for > draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a working group draft to meet the following new > milestone: > >> > >> Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for > unidirectional route assessment to the IESG > >> > >> Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to > ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. > >> > >> Thanks, cheers, > >> > >> Brian, as IPPM co-chair > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ippm mailing list > >> ippm@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ippm mailing list > > ippm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > --94eb2c0945ae08a4f6055dee9be5 Content-Type: text/html; 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I support the adoption of this draft.
-- Vinayak
=
On 14 Nov 2017 06:42, "Brian Trammell (= IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>= ; wrote:
Thanks Vina= yak for the correction; yes, please send messages about this adoption call = to ippm@ietf.org.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Nov 2017, at 20:24, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think you mean ippm@ietf.org in= stead of ietf@ietf.org below.
>
> -- Vinayak
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Trammell
> <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch= > wrote:
>> Greetings, all,
>>
>> Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore = this morning, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-ro= ute-02 as a working group draft to meet the following new milestone:
>>
>> Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for uni= directional route assessment to the IESG
>>
>> Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to= ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.
>>
>> Thanks, cheers,
>>
>> Brian, as IPPM co-chair
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ippm mailing list
>> ippm@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ippm mailing list
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Hi Brian, et. al,
yes/support adoption of this draft a= s co-author.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 13, 201= 7 at 3:02 PM, Brian Trammell <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>= wrote:
Greetings, all,

Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morn= ing, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as= a working group draft to meet the following new milestone:

Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirection= al route assessment to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian, as IPPM co-chair

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<4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF49045B49@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <51005421-DA91-41C4-8E28-13F8833E1A9C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF49045B49@njmtexg5.research.att.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:58:00 +0800 Message-ID: To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: Brian Trammell , IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f2200d34b36055e00dce6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:58:09 -0000 --001a113f2200d34b36055e00dce6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Al, I indeed support adoption of the AURA draft, please ignore "as co-author" part. Regards, Greg On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Greg, > > > > I think your message of support is intended > > for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test > > (where you are a co-author). > > > > Yes? > > Al > > > > > > *From:* ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Mirsky > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 1:50 AM > *To:* Brian Trammell > *Cc:* IETF IPPM WG > *Subject:* Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec > 2017 > > > > Hi Brian, et. al, > > yes/support adoption of this draft as co-author. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Brian Trammell > wrote: > > Greetings, all, > > Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this > morning, this message begins a call for adoption for > draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a working group draft to meet the following new > milestone: > > Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for > unidirectional route assessment to the IESG > > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to > ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian, as IPPM co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > > > --001a113f2200d34b36055e00dce6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Al,
I indeed support adoption of the AURA draft, pl= ease ignore "as co-author" part.

Regards= ,
Greg

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acmorton= @att.com> wrote:

Hi Greg,

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I think your message of support is intended

for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test<= /u>

(where you are a co-author).

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Yes?

Al

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From: ippm [ma= ilto:ippm-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Mirsky
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 1:50 AM
To: Brian Trammell
Cc: IETF IPPM WG
Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 = Dec 2017

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Hi Brian, et. al,

yes/support adoption of this draft as co-author.<= /u>

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Regards,

Greg

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On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Brian Trammell <= trammell@tik.e= e.ethz.ch> wrote:

Greetings, all,

Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morn= ing, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as= a working group draft to meet the following new milestone:

Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirection= al route assessment to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian, as IPPM co-chair

_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
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Hi Brian, et. al,
yes/support adoption of the=C2=A0draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test as co-author.<= /span>

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) = <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
G= reetings, all,

Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morn= ing, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-morton-ippm-port-twa= mp-test-01 as a working group draft to meet the following new mileston= e:

Mar 2018: Submit a Standards Track draft defining well-known ports for OWAM= P and TWAMP to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian, as IPPM co-chair

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Al, Sorry for the late reply. I finally got time to deal with these technical d= iscussion emails^^. Please see inline marked with [Rachel]. BR, Rachel From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acmorton@att.com] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:47 AM To: Huangyihong (Rachel); ippm@ietf.org Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt Hi Rachel, Thanks for your review and comments! Please see replies in-line below, [ACM], Al From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huangyihong (Rachel) Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 3:18 AM To: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt Hi, I did a review on this draft and think this is very useful, especially sect= ion 10 on passive TCP RTT metrics. I have a few comments for discussion. As= I didn't follow this work before, please forgive me if I raise something a= lready discussed. [ACM] Section 10 is completely new, so there's no risk of repeating past discussion (repeats are probably safer when asked on the list, if they happen at all, and newer folks are always entitled to a few basic questions, IMO). 1. Section 10 defines the metrics "RTDelay", and it is calculated by = "RTDelay =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev". I'm wondering if RTD_fwd and RTD_rev can a= lso be used as the standard metrics? Because in some scenarios, people may = need to report RTD_fwd and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses. In such a = case, RTDelay may not be enough. [ACM] It would be possible. For example, I think that the RTD of the 3-way Handshake should be treated as a separate singleton of RTD for each connection measured, and added to the results reported (RTDelay-SA). So, think about what statistics of RTD_fwd and RTD_rev would help with network diagnosis. [Rachel]: A use case we are using these metrics is that to help with locati= ng the home network wifi problems. Since wifi has some channel contention, = queuing delay, and mac layer retransmission, the delay will be significant = if the wifi network is not good enough. So some operators is trying to figu= re out what the problem is when its end user is using internet service and = complain about the it. So one simple way is to compare the RTD_rev and the= normal threshold to see if the delay is too high. If it is, it may mean th= at the wifi network of this user is too bad. 2. Same question to out-of-order segments and duplicate segments. [ACM] Also possible, but we should also be aware that the Performance Metric entries were mostly intended for comparison between different networks measured exactly the same way (with less focus on troubleshooting). [Rachel]: It is helpful to identify, for example, interdomain troubleshooti= ng, to see if the problem is happening inside or outside of the area. I thi= nk performance metrics can also be used for troubleshooting, which is the c= ommon case in the real world, no? 3. The definition of our-of-order segments, maybe should consider the= case where the ECMP exists? This means that packet losses should be differ= entiated from the real out-of-order packets. [ACM] You mean distinguishing out-of-order due to loss or true re-ordering? I think this is where Brian's heuristic of evaluation in RTT intervals will help: We will probably see re-ordered packets filling a sequence number gap during the *same* RTT interval as the out-of-order packets that created the gap. (I'm using the RFC4737 definition of Re-ordered packets here, they arrive "late".) @@@@ This additional heuristic needs to appear in the draft, if we agree on how it works. [Rachel]: Yes, this is exactly what I mean. I agree it should be in the dra= ft. Also, keep in mind that ECMP usually comes with some form of flow-hashing to keep all packets of a flow on a single ECMP subpath. Recognizing this network behavior and measuring it are the goals of Paris Traceroute and the Route Ensemble metric draft. Have a look: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amf-ippm-route-01 [Rachel]: Thanks. I'll have a look. 4. What's the plan for section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP l= ayered metrics? [ACM] That's a great Question! Section 12 contains an example of an earlier version of the Registry Format applied to RTCP-XR Burst/Gap Metric. I wrote this entry to prove that the format proposed at that time was needed and useful for RTCP metrics, so *not* just for IPPM metrics (which was the criticism at the moment). It was a lot of work to put this entry together, so I've been reluctant to delete this section. I suppose it could be revised to fit the current Registry Format. But, is there a particular RTCP metric that folks want to see registered? Worth discussing a bit further... [Rachel]: In the past, when we were developing xrblock RFCs, it was require= d that we should follow the template from RFC 6390 to define the metrics. I= didn't follow the history of this registry draft. How is it related to RFC= 6390? >From my point of view, registering some of the metrics, e.g., delay, loss, = are useful. For example, if a middlebox is able to read the RTP header, may= be it's required to collect some of the xrblock metrics, and doesn't have t= o use RTCP XR protocol to report it. -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- BR, Rachel --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C615BEBnkgeml513mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Al,<= o:p>

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Sorry f= or the late reply. I finally got time to deal with these technical discussi= on emails^^. Please see inline marked with [Rachel].

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BR,

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From: MORTON, ALFR= ED C (AL) [mailto:acmorton@att.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:47 AM
To: Huangyihong (Rachel); ippm@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt

 

Hi Rachel,

Thanks for your review and comm= ents!

Please see replies in-line belo= w, [ACM],

Al

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huangyihong (Rachel)
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 3:18 AM
To: ippm@ietf.org
Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-05.txt<= o:p>

 

Hi,

 

I did a review on this draft an= d think this is very useful, especially section 10 on passive TCP RTT metri= cs. I have a few comments for discussion. As I didn’t follow this wor= k before, please forgive me if I raise something already discussed.

[ACM]

Section 10 is completely new, s= o there’s no risk of

repeating past discussion (repe= ats are probably

safer when asked on the list, i= f they happen at all,

and newer folks are always enti= tled to a few basic

questions, IMO).

 

1= .   &= nbsp;   Section 10 defines the = metrics “RTDelay= ”, and it is calculated by “RTDelay = =3D RTD_fwd + RTD_rev”. I’m won= dering if RTD_fwd and RTD_rev can also be used as the st= andard metrics? Because in some scenarios, people may need to report RTD_fw= d and RTD_rev to do some network diagnoses. In such a case, RTDelay may not= be enough.

[ACM]

It would be possible. For examp= le, I think that the

RTD of the 3-way Handshake shou= ld be treated as a separate

singleton of RTD for each conne= ction measured, and added

to the results reported (RTDela= y-SA). So, think about

what statistics of RTD_fwd and = RTD_rev would help with

network diagnosis.

&n= bsp;

[Rachel= ]: A use case we are using these metrics is that to help with locating the = home network wifi problems. Since wifi has some channel contention, queuing= delay, and mac layer retransmission, the delay will be significant if the wifi network is not good enough. So s= ome operators is trying to figure out what the problem is when its end user= is using internet service and complain about the it. So one simple way is = to compare the RTD_rev  and the normal threshold to see if the delay is too high. If it is, it may mean th= at the wifi network of this user is too bad.

 

2= .   &= nbsp;   Same question to out-of-or= der segments and duplicate segments.=

[ACM]

Also possible, but we should al= so be aware that the

Performance Metric entries were= mostly intended for

comparison between different ne= tworks measured exactly

the same way (with less focus o= n troubleshooting).

&n= bsp;

[Rachel= ]: It is helpful to identify, for example, interdomain troubleshooting, to = see if the problem is happening inside or outside of the area. I think perf= ormance metrics can also be used for troubleshooting, which is the common case in the real world, no?

 

3= .   &= nbsp;   The definition of our-of-o= rder segments, maybe should consider the case where the ECMP exists? This m= eans that packet losses should be differentiated from the real out-of-order= packets.

[ACM]

You mean distinguishing out-of-= order due to loss or true re-ordering?

I think this is where BrianR= 17;s heuristic of evaluation

in RTT intervals will help: We = will probably see

re-ordered packets filling a se= quence number gap

during the *same* RTT in= terval as the out-of-order

packets that created the gap. (= I’m using the RFC4737

definition of Re-ordered packet= s here, they arrive “late”.)

&n= bsp;

 

@@@@ This additional heuristic = needs to appear

in the draft, if we agree on ho= w it works.

&n= bsp;

[Rachel= ]: Yes, this is exactly what I mean. I agree it should be in the draft.

 

Also, keep in mind that ECMP us= ually comes with some form

of flow-hashing to keep all pac= kets of a flow on a single

ECMP subpath. Recognizing this = network behavior and

measuring it are the goals of P= aris Traceroute and

the Route Ensemble metric draft= . Have a look:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amf-ippm= -route-01

 

[Rachel= ]: Thanks. I’ll have a look.

&n= bsp;

4= .   &= nbsp;   What’s the plan f= or section 12? Is there any requirement for RTP layered metrics?=

[ACM]

That’s a great Question!&= nbsp; Section 12 contains an example

of an earlier version of the Re= gistry Format applied to

RTCP-XR Burst/Gap Metric. I wro= te this entry to prove  

that the format proposed at tha= t time was needed and useful

for RTCP metrics, so *not* just for IPPM metrics (which was

the criticism at the moment).

 

It was a lot of work to put thi= s entry together, so I’ve

been reluctant to delete this s= ection. I suppose

it could be revised to fit the = current Registry Format.

But, is there a particular RTCP= metric that folks want to

see registered?  Worth dis= cussing a bit further...

 

[Rachel= ]: In the past, when we were developing xrblock RFCs, it was required that = we should follow the template from RFC 6390 to define the metrics. I didn&#= 8217;t follow the history of this registry draft. How is it related to RFC6390?

&n= bsp;

From my= point of view, registering some of the metrics, e.g., delay, loss, are use= ful. For example, if a middlebox is able to read the RTP header, maybe it&#= 8217;s required to collect some of the xrblock metrics, and doesn’t have to use RTCP XR protocol to report it.=

&n= bsp;

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 =

BR,

Rachel

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I support adoption of this draft…

 

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Cheers, Guiu On 13 Nov 2017, at 09:11, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: Greetings, all, Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, t= his message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and d= raft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the followin= g new milestone: Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active = measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control = it, to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or comment= s on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. 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Thanks, cheers, Brian, as IPPM co-chair _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Fri Nov 24 09:27:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329D9128B8D for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Segfuy8WhwP1 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x22b.google.com (mail-lf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61E38128854 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id o41so26169069lfi.2 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TR8QvE65Jj5Reo73GrMZM5LFVw6Vk1FJp9ihGggfuTk=; b=h/P/YtMyv5OjFA8PW3Buh66f0M3gO3V4FtCSKG/tc5orNGhkx74FiC5EFndyFXZD4x HufGYCzqeiEy/KIfhZgCZOyj44vDRvvBj6dwh6fCy5R+zEvGhBuNuaYHZIntZKvir99n 4iODo7Ym3Rnfj0poTpJ0UOnp/4+CPRVG4POJOxCkIAxNm2t2aerqA5OHAyeDsqnos9Vm /JLMlJMIh89ZnyE0R103NdAinigLHgfw7Od3RA+M9XjVRy8CwBlzzgMBbUdoZ1uKBiJm DsxsxE1zqwv43vsidU9ZEaEQOJKKbYQ6/5aa/wVoZuCxVLf/xL61KrgnnWoFbWyNIcw2 qQYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TR8QvE65Jj5Reo73GrMZM5LFVw6Vk1FJp9ihGggfuTk=; b=MKRXmkdaFAfnzplm5/b/ie1tQBdMw7I3tfymLXPQQcANuFRthf2PyGpzCj/49PhVUx JLy0SrkaEB5LC0Tn5NoDmIdtwKaX1Xfqgz5IoedGmMTVy6rmLfwVhNCMav/rx6C+reoN w+D0nKMpbfvsmDnEey37rDxsfGRFClic5NbxGhhGOiejrtn0zcCl9Enxv694xGtpdLMD 8UmLws6HyQlc4B4Rwsl1ODm94mri8dOYmuwhZY8C+s35IS7I/PKUEumWwmfPjPPqVssN 2kqCR1TpNagv4QSkNuKaBNPcG9Dq+UwFb4cxhsizyBPgBrJW1YH6bsGu4QTD8qoUAXIr KNeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7lJeUahW1jiWX16Ze/DscVCVhjmny7grhhMStyWIDmTByKhbhe jgTY31/AuNR0Q/sLi9CH9TQYQl4MB7bjao9Q/Hk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZue/EfcYOmRUwi3SYVZDVgKXrlBJydf0sLhQuy1Au3aJH04mhL1Iy9DcL9wvNS2YMAfzfIsz4cxJPTjGPvz9E= X-Received: by 10.25.44.136 with SMTP id s130mr7100429lfs.147.1511544465414; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.32.136 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> References: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Cc: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140249aec61c0055ebdde01" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:27:49 -0000 --001a1140249aec61c0055ebdde01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, et. al, I support the new milestone. I support the adoption of both drafts by the IPPM WG as co-author of both. Regards, Greg On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, > this message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and > draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the > following new milestone: > > Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active > measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control > it, to the IESG > > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or > comments on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 > December 2017. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian, as IPPM co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > --001a1140249aec61c0055ebdde01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Brian, et. al,
I support the new milestone.
I support the adoption of both drafts by the IPPM WG as co-author of bot= h.

Regards,
Greg

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 11:= 11 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
Greetings, all,

Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, t= his message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and d= raft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the fol= lowing new milestone:

Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active = measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control = it, to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or comment= s on the definition of the milestone, to i= etf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian, as IPPM co-chair

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Footer -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF= ) Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:11 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-= ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 Greetings, all, Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, t= his message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and d= raft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the followin= g new milestone: Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active = measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control = it, to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or comment= s on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. 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Footer -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF= ) Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:05 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-morton-ippm-port-twamp-test to end = 5 Dec 2017 Greetings, all, Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morn= ing, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-morton-ippm-port-twa= mp-test-01 as a working group draft to meet the following new milestone: Mar 2018: Submit a Standards Track draft defining well-known ports for OWAM= P and TWAMP to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@iet= f.org by 5 December 2017. Thanks, cheers, Brian, as IPPM co-chair From nobody Mon Nov 27 09:40:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F0A1286CA for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IuGvWQzAzUQz for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx04.telecomitalia.it (mx04.telecomitalia.it [217.169.121.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 494B1128B44 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:40:44 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: d9a97918-07fff70000003d1a-b8-5a1c4e1af14d Received: from TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local ( [10.14.252.27]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx04.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id 73.9D.15642.A1E4C1A5; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:40:42 +0100 (CET) From: Fioccola Giuseppe To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 Thread-Index: AQHTXE6jVkXqb8+ENUK0RB0+XZNgnaMolMdw Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:40:42 +0000 Message-ID: <72491ec2698f40c0b07ace6e621baaab@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> References: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.14.252.235] x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrCKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxfdHWlfKTybK4MxDcYuNLe/YLHoevGN2 YPJYsuQnk8eT/TNZApiiGhhtEvPy8ksSS1IVUlKLk22VXDKLk3MSM3NTixRCUnNSk/NzlRQy U2yVjJUUCnISk1NzU/NKbJUSCwpS81KU7LgUMIANUFlmnkJqXnJ+SmZeuq2SZ7C/roWFqaWu oZJdYGlqcUm+Qm5qcXFienpmvkJqwnrBjG9/HrMX3GWv2PDwGnsD42q2LkYODgkBE4npmyO6 GLk4hASmMEn83PeQvYuRk4NNwEbi4KsTbCC2iICPRNeS92BxYYFCiU2rFzFCxIslTq98B1Vj JPG49R8LiM0ioCpxbGofWA2vQKBEy7VPYLaQgJ3EjffPWUFsTgF7iQmTroLVMwrISkzYDTGT WUBc4sX0E2C7JAQEJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxXCNpDYunQfC4StKPGnewsThC0jsfDIZFaIOXoS N6ZOYYOwtSWWLXzNDHGPoMTJmU9YJjCKzkKybhaSlllIWmYhaVnAyLKKUTS3wsBErwQSZZkl iTmZiXqZJZsYgUnh5spKiR2M3WudDzEKcDAq8fDusJOJEmJNLCuuzD3EKMHBrCTCK/tQOkqI NyWxsiq1KD++qDQntfgQow8wxCYyS4km5wMTVl5JvKGJhaWhsYWFkaGFmSkOYSVx3vy/QLME 0oFpKjs1tSC1CGYcEwenVANjk/TeM2um/7xkdiBwm9W2vZ77Dh84p8Xd++88n7IAY5dI5xHz LRJyd3TDLixYHzN7+txZi6pfnXGfsD34yXzJO5uFvj/2nqD9r/tL/eFt85Q/xLbzci39Iv89 TPeV1q97mkc0FTedeSuc/s6l1mKdlL/Um37RDtY09l7jExHTz04NXc1TxbsiWYmlOCPRUIu5 qDgRAC4yxZw3AwAA Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] R: Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:40:48 -0000 Support the adoption of these two drafts. BR, Giuseppe -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Brian Trammell (IETF) Inviato: luned=EC 13 novembre 2017 08:11 A: IETF IPPM WG Oggetto: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-i= ppm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 Greetings, all, Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, th= is message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and dra= ft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the following n= ew milestone: Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active m= easurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control it= , to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or comments= on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017. 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BR, Giuseppe -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Brian Trammell Inviato: luned=EC 13 novembre 2017 08:02 A: IETF IPPM WG Oggetto: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-amf-ippm-route to end 5 Dec 2017 Greetings, all, Following clear consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morni= ng, this message begins a call for adoption for draft-amf-ippm-route-02 as a= working group draft to meet the following new milestone: Jul 2019: Submit a Standards Track draft defining a metric for unidirectiona= l route assessment to the IESG Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption to ietf@ietf= .org by 5 December 2017. Thanks, cheers, Brian, as IPPM co-chair Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended reci= pient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender= by return e-mail, Thanks. Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =E8 necessario. From nobody Tue Nov 28 14:38:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9F912702E; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:37:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org, Carlos Pignataro , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, cpignata@cisco.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151190867276.8070.6843588233196815979.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:37:52 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:37:53 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir review (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like how do I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm not making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another devices' markings? Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring -- is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this useless)? Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark?) Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a discuss. I had some comments and questions: 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must better as an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I missed it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has a writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems more like a separate Informational document. Nits: Section 1. Introduction "The lack of adequate tools to measure packet loss with the desired accuracy drove an effort to design a new method for the performance monitoring of live traffic, possibly easy to implement and deploy." -- did you mean "possibly" here? This makes it sound like having it easy to implement and deploy isn't a goal/ desirable, more like a lucky coincidence if it happens... Section 1. Introduction "In case the marking field is obtained by changing existing field values of" -- perhaps: "In cases where the marking..."? Actually, this whole sentence feels a bit clumsy. Section 2. Overview of the method "Since a flow is continuous and cannot be stopped when a counter has to be read, it could be difficult to determine exactly when to read the counter. " -- I think that this would be better if it were "it can be difficult" or "it would be difficult". Section 3.1. Packet loss measurement "Traffic coloring could be done by R1 itself or by an upward router." -- what is an "upward" router? Was this supposed to be upstream? Even if so, I think that there needs to be more precision here. 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Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:05:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.82.140 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 07:05:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> References: <3FB9335A-4895-47C2-8816-DB0423D2CE88@trammell.ch> From: Henrik Nydell Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:05:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Cc: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4030437a0ec6950e6055f2078de" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp and draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang to end 5 Dec 2017 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:05:50 -0000 --f4030437a0ec6950e6055f2078de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp as co-author On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, > this message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 an= d > draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the > following new milestone: > > Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way activ= e > measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to contro= l > it, to the IESG > > Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or > comments on the definition of the milestone, to ietf@ietf.org by 5 > December 2017. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian, as IPPM co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > --=20 [image: Accedian.com] Henrik Nydell Sr Product Manager SkyLIGHT Solutions Cell Email Skype +46 709845992 hnydell@accedian.com h nydell --=20 Avis de confidentialit=C3=A9 Les informations contenues dans le pr=C3=A9sent message et dans toute pi=C3= =A8ce qui=20 lui est jointe sont confidentielles et peuvent =C3=AAtre prot=C3=A9g=C3=A9e= s par le secret=20 professionnel. 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Greetings, all,

Following consensus in the room at our meeting in Singapore this morning, t= his message begins a call for adoption for draft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-01 and d= raft-mirsky-ippm-stamp-yang-00 as working group drafts to meet the fol= lowing new milestone:

Jul 2018: Submit a Standards Track drafts defining a simple two-way active = measurement protocol based on TWAMP-Test, and a YANG data model to control = it, to the IESG

Please send messages in support or non-support of this adoption, or comment= s on the definition of the milestone, to i= etf@ietf.org by 5 December 2017.

Thanks, cheers,

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"draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c07f7f40116e6055f244168" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:36:42 -0000 --94eb2c07f7f40116e6055f244168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe < giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote: > Hi Warren, > Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. > See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. > > Best Regards, > > Giuseppe > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] > Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38 > A: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; > ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org > Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: > (with COMMENT) > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir > review (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark- > 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). > > [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be > addressed in -13 version > > I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many > places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like how = do > I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm not > making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another devices= ' > markings? > Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring -- > is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this > useless)? > > [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. > > Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark?) > Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are > intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? > > [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by the > filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. > > More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more > operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a discus= s. > > I had some comments and questions: > 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must better a= s > an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. > > 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I missed > it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has a > writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems more > like a separate Informational document. > > [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more than > experimental > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a conversation we should have REALLY quickly. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this document was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requires a second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to slip from this week's telechat agenda. We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go the other way. So, please advise! If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... Spencer > Nits: > Section 1. Introduction > "The lack of adequate tools to measure packet loss with the desired > accuracy drove an effort to design a new method for the performance > monitoring of live traffic, possibly easy to implement and deploy." -- di= d > you mean "possibly" > here? This makes it sound like having it easy to implement and deploy > isn't a goal/ desirable, more like a lucky coincidence if it happens... > > [GF]: Agree "possibly" can be omitted > > Section 1. Introduction > "In case the marking field is obtained by changing existing field values > of" > -- perhaps: "In cases where the marking..."? Actually, this whole sentenc= e > feels a bit clumsy. > > [GF]: Agree, this paragraph can be moved later in the document > > Section 2. Overview of the method > "Since a flow is continuous and cannot be stopped when a counter has to b= e > read, it could be difficult to determine exactly when to read the counter= . > " -- I think that this would be better if it were "it can be difficult" o= r > "it would be difficult". > > [GF]: Agree > > Section 3.1. Packet loss measurement > "Traffic coloring could be done by R1 itself or by an upward router." -- > what is an "upward" router? Was this supposed to be upstream? Even if so,= I > think that there needs to be more precision here. > > [GF]: Agree, "upward" is not necessary here > > > > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle > persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante > dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. 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I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused.=

On Wed, Nov 29, 2= 017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe <giuseppe.fioccola@tel= ecomitalia.it> wrote:
Hi Warren,
Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments.
See my answers inline tagged as [GF].

Best Regards,

Giuseppe

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumar= i.net]
Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38
A: The IESG
Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-al= t-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cp= ignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (= with COMMENT)

Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection

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COMMENT:
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Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDi= r review (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-= 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/).

[GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be a= ddressed in -13 version

I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many place= s where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like how do I co= nfigure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm not ma= king in too many places, and having one device stomp on another devices'= ; markings?
Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring -- i= s this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this usele= ss)?

[GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network.

Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark?= ) Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are inte= nding to color, and alert on this case as an error?

[GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by = the filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure.

More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more oper= ational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a discuss.=

I had some comments and questions:
1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must better as = an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors.

2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I miss= ed it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has a= writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems more = like a separate Informational document.

[GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more t= han experimental

I'm not quite sure= what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than experimental" = means anything like "standards track", that's a conversation = we should have REALLY quickly.=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this document was Last Called as E= xperimental, approving it as Standards Track requires a second IETF Last Ca= ll calling out the new Category, so would need to slip from this week's= telechat agenda.

We can process BCPs and Stan= dards Track documents as Informational, Experimental, or Historic without a= nother Last Call, but we can't go the other way.

So, please advise!

If I'm misunderstanding,= that's also a fine response ...

Spencer
=
=C2=A0
Nits:
Section 1.=C2=A0 Introduction
"The lack of adequate tools to measure packet loss with the desired ac= curacy drove an effort to design a new method for the performance monitorin= g of live traffic, possibly easy to implement and deploy." -- did you = mean "possibly"
here? This makes it sound like having it easy to implement and deploy isn&#= 39;t a goal/ desirable, more like a lucky coincidence if it happens...

[GF]: Agree "possibly" can be omitted

Section 1.=C2=A0 Introduction
"In case the marking field is obtained by changing existing field valu= es of"
-- perhaps: "In cases where the marking..."? Actually, this whole= sentence feels a bit clumsy.

[GF]: Agree, this paragraph can be moved later in the document

Section 2.=C2=A0 Overview of the method
"Since a flow is continuous and cannot be stopped when a counter has t= o be read, it could be difficult to determine exactly when to read the coun= ter. " -- I think that this would be better if it were "it can be= difficult" or "it would be difficult".

[GF]: Agree

Section 3.1.=C2=A0 Packet loss measurement
"Traffic coloring could be done by R1 itself or by an upward router.&q= uot; -- what is an "upward" router? Was this supposed to be upstr= eam? Even if so, I think that there needs to be more precision here.

[GF]: Agree, "upward" is not necessary here



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(Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.htm= l >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir >> review >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13-opsdir-te= lechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). >> >> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be >> addressed in -13 version >> >> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many >> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like how= do >> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm not >> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another device= s' >> markings? >> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring -= - >> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this >> useless)? >> >> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. >> >> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark?) >> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are >> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? >> >> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by the >> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. >> >> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more >> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a discu= ss. >> >> I had some comments and questions: >> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must better = as >> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. >> >> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I misse= d >> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has a >> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems mor= e >> like a separate Informational document. >> >> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more than >> experimental > > > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than > experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a conversatio= n > we should have REALLY quickly. I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not see a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see (Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate (Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but would at least make this document flow better. I think that the way forward is one of: a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success / failure), b: remarking this document as Informational. I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this docum= ent > was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requires= a > second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to slip > from this week's telechat agenda. > > We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go the > other way. > > So, please advise! > > If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding... W > > Spencer > >> >> Nits: >> Section 1. Introduction >> "The lack of adequate tools to measure packet loss with the desired >> accuracy drove an effort to design a new method for the performance >> monitoring of live traffic, possibly easy to implement and deploy." -- d= id >> you mean "possibly" >> here? This makes it sound like having it easy to implement and deploy >> isn't a goal/ desirable, more like a lucky coincidence if it happens... >> >> [GF]: Agree "possibly" can be omitted >> >> Section 1. Introduction >> "In case the marking field is obtained by changing existing field values >> of" >> -- perhaps: "In cases where the marking..."? Actually, this whole senten= ce >> feels a bit clumsy. >> >> [GF]: Agree, this paragraph can be moved later in the document >> >> Section 2. Overview of the method >> "Since a flow is continuous and cannot be stopped when a counter has to = be >> read, it could be difficult to determine exactly when to read the counte= r. " >> -- I think that this would be better if it were "it can be difficult" or= "it >> would be difficult". >> >> [GF]: Agree >> >> Section 3.1. Packet loss measurement >> "Traffic coloring could be done by R1 itself or by an upward router." -- >> what is an "upward" router? Was this supposed to be upstream? Even if so= , I >> think that there needs to be more precision here. >> >> [GF]: Agree, "upward" is not necessary here >> >> >> >> Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle >> persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivant= e >> dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qual= ora >> abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati = di >> darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua >> distruzione, Grazie. >> >> This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileg= ed >> information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, >> printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the inte= nded >> recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the >> sender by return e-mail, Thanks. >> >> Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =C3=A8 necessario. > > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Wed Nov 29 12:06:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064C3126CF9; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:06:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org, Carlos Pignataro , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151198597002.8070.4172134808674731305.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:06:10 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:06:10 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Two minor comments: (1) For traceability purposes, it would be nice if the datatracker showed that draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m was replaced by draft-tempia-ippm-p3m…. The same for draft-chen-ippm-coloring-based-ipfpm-framework and draft-cociglio-mboned-multicast-pm, which according to the Shepherd's write-up were precursors of this document. (2) What is the Experiment? I very much like the explanation in the Shepherd’s write up; having something like that in the document would be nice. From nobody Wed Nov 29 12:16:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C7B126C83; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RDAPKpTXJofE; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x22c.google.com (mail-yw0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF2781241F3; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id t204so1836702ywe.9; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SOJVdRMDNE7pSI9YpDpZcEj9XbZBDIWQVGS3ftlavJk=; b=ia9J56IMfYqhUf1KwslCglfR1wr/UmgAvAUui9SlzPHx9JuF3jpfIirJlTXW2kGOlZ 4wkmpiytcLqoAtecwZjQMRhIfMlHs21J/PEgYlvkdbH+i2SOec7WrMojOuAHd9CC129C 1NDsg+TWeaFLYakC6xhSPp7QtiWmGqkH7l2GIqFe7xXaswpSgj7s7twOJE5ENlD5Ulkp DthXeckg/ghBSEC2hexxYBObD8caqcYW1dNOgXOEEfus7B+x8NaoQFDpujIuGMnmX9sA adgALniMx2RMFquEspFiSxY/oJAwXPYE7a2a3gLeHTbHVwFIZIxmWi4vMauNUekWy37Y qwNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SOJVdRMDNE7pSI9YpDpZcEj9XbZBDIWQVGS3ftlavJk=; b=XHMSkFLPkQU+/o3qATlXa1gpV7ysROZ28Fxxuyl+7TFiRBTrVmSOBXHEhrr31q07+V FMAFyuVlCfYL+OJdolO9jBKfjyguKD/PSo2r2CZVpoBREzdOttb4DFE1W9aEWZlrKLmQ tsrTfpWtGOQ4OaCrzBp/7xTUJhw8eZIro5aUBC+Kodkhak08aci5Bj5HZmmwg+4FuRTQ MJfWXfE2PPMe3w7mVUmKpemmE7TLJ7GzaTPFx61uZ9XBTp3ajkaM2aTCYL1zU8Y3Cqlf +Uv+Sg0of3OL12BEpNU3HbM+81Amst2EYehlhkz7CykuSHLn+mZygE4V+O85xstkAU+U mXLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6tmj6oEcSHhqeOwZjG4wH9RTRopSBC8fOI8A5B+5h/3l29OJdq OoPW7VL3OT9s6KLe7agCRQZ+moIwuj0SE62kcVU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbS04+XZsWkhE2Olt+BkXu8jvzRubXlR4ObzCVcLEjZPnm9zerBqeLP+VkUJtIfzd178rTDh9AVQohgi3FesvY= X-Received: by 10.129.121.9 with SMTP id u9mr62150ywc.342.1511986592574; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.75 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:16:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151190867276.8070.6843588233196815979.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:16:32 -0600 Message-ID: To: Warren Kumari Cc: Fioccola Giuseppe , The IESG , "cpignata@cisco.com" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0a9152c170ed055f24cf39" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:16:39 -0000 --94eb2c0a9152c170ed055f24cf39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Warren, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF > wrote: > > I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused. > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Warren, > >> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. > >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Giuseppe > >> > >> -----Messaggio originale----- > >> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] > >> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38 > >> A: The IESG > >> Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; > >> ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org > >> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: > >> (with COMMENT) > >> > >> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > >> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection > >> > >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s > >> introductory paragraph, however.) > >> > >> > >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > >> > >> > >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> COMMENT: > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir > >> review > >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark- > 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). > >> > >> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be > >> addressed in -13 version > >> > >> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many > >> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like > how do > >> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm n= ot > >> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another > devices' > >> markings? > >> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring > -- > >> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this > >> useless)? > >> > >> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. > >> > >> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark= ?) > >> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are > >> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? > >> > >> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by th= e > >> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. > >> > >> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more > >> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a > discuss. > >> > >> I had some comments and questions: > >> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must bette= r > as > >> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. > >> > >> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I > missed > >> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has= a > >> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems > more > >> like a separate Informational document. > >> > >> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more tha= n > >> experimental > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than > > experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a > conversation > > we should have REALLY quickly. > > I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not see > a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see > (Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate > (Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns > about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but > would at least make this document flow better. > I think that the way forward is one of: > a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success > / failure), > b: remarking this document as Informational. > > I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors. > Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/shepherds/chairs/working groups take a first pass at comment resolution, unless that looks unresponsive, but everybody involved in processing this draft through AD Evaluation and Last Call has been very responsive. I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft would need to come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve a draft and launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to do that, I'd prefer not to). > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this > document > > was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track > requires a > > second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to sl= ip > > from this week's telechat agenda. > > > > We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go th= e > > other way. > > > > So, please advise! > > > > If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... > > I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding... That would be lovely :-) Spencer --94eb2c0a9152c170ed055f24cf39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Warren,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.n= et> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at= IETF
<spencerdawkins.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:
> I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused.
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe
> <giuseppe.fio= ccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments.<= br> >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF].
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Giuseppe
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:war= ren@kumari.net]
>> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38
>> A: The IESG
>> Cc: draft-iet= f-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro;
>> ippm-chairs@ietf.org; = cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org
>> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-m= ark-13:
>> (with COMMENT)
>>
>> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection
>>
>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all
>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut= this
>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>
>>
>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.o= rg/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>
>>
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here= :
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>> COMMENT:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>>
>> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric= 9;s OpsDir
>> review
>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-= 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/).
>>
>> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be=
>> addressed in -13 version
>>
>> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are m= any
>> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - li= ke how do
>> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I= 'm not
>> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another = devices'
>> markings?
>> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node colo= ring --
>> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes = this
>> useless)?
>>
>> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network.
>>
>> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device= to mark?)
>> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they a= re
>> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error?
>>
>> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established b= y the
>> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure.
>>
>> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this = more
>> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making th= is a discuss.
>>
>> I had some comments and questions:
>> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must b= etter as
>> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors.
>>
>> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perha= ps I missed
>> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1= has a
>> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that see= ms more
>> like a separate Informational document.
>>
>> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more= than
>> experimental
>
>
> I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "mo= re than
> experimental" means anything like "standards track", th= at's a conversation
> we should have REALLY quickly.

I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying th= at I do not see
a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see
(Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate
(Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns<= br> about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but
would at least make this document flow better.
I think that the way forward is one of:
a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success
/ failure),
b: remarking this document as Informational.

I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors.
=

Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/sheph= erds/chairs/working groups take a first pass at comment resolution, unless = that looks unresponsive, but everybody involved in processing this draft th= rough AD Evaluation and Last Call has been very responsive.

<= /div>
I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft wou= ld need to come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve = a draft and launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to = do that, I'd prefer not to).
=C2=A0
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#secti= on-6.1.2 says that if this document
> was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requi= res a
> second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to s= lip
> from this week's telechat agenda.
>
> We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't = go the
> other way.
>
> So, please advise!
>
> If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ...

I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding...
That would be lovely :-)

Spencer=C2= =A0
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draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:09:42 -0000 --001a114ccf08ed458c055f2663d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Fioccola Giuseppe < giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote: > Hi Spencer, Warren, > My sentence was simply misunderstood, the decision to have an experimenta= l > draft is absolutely confirmed. > Regarding the comment from Warren, I suggest to add in Section 5.1 more > details of the experiment (some are already described) > > Best Regards, > > Giuseppe > =E2=80=8BAwesome, thanks. W=E2=80=8B > > Inviato da iPhone > > Il giorno 29 nov 2017, alle ore 21:16, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Hi, Warren, > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF >> wrote: >> > I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused. >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Warren, >> >> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. >> >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> Giuseppe >> >> >> >> -----Messaggio originale----- >> >> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] >> >> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38 >> >> A: The IESG >> >> Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; >> >> ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org >> >> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: >> >> (with COMMENT) >> >> >> >> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for >> >> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >> >> >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is >> >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/stat >> ement/discuss-criteria.html >> >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> >> COMMENT: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> >> >> >> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir >> >> review >> >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark- >> 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). >> >> >> >> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be >> >> addressed in -13 version >> >> >> >> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many >> >> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like >> how do >> >> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm >> not >> >> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another >> devices' >> >> markings? >> >> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node colorin= g >> -- >> >> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes thi= s >> >> useless)? >> >> >> >> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. >> >> >> >> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to >> mark?) >> >> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are >> >> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? >> >> >> >> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by t= he >> >> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. >> >> >> >> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this mor= e >> >> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a >> discuss. >> >> >> >> I had some comments and questions: >> >> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must >> better as >> >> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. >> >> >> >> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I >> missed >> >> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 ha= s >> a >> >> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems >> more >> >> like a separate Informational document. >> >> >> >> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more th= an >> >> experimental >> > >> > >> > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than >> > experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a >> conversation >> > we should have REALLY quickly. >> >> I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not see >> a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see >> (Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate >> (Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns >> about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but >> would at least make this document flow better. >> I think that the way forward is one of: >> a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success >> / failure), >> b: remarking this document as Informational. >> >> I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors. >> > > Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/shepherds/chairs/working groups take > a first pass at comment resolution, unless that looks unresponsive, but > everybody involved in processing this draft through AD Evaluation and Las= t > Call has been very responsive. > > I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft would need to > come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve a draft and > launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to do that, I'd > prefer not to). > > >> > >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this >> document >> > was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track >> requires a >> > second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to >> slip >> > from this week's telechat agenda. >> > >> > We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, >> > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go t= he >> > other way. >> > >> > So, please advise! >> > >> > If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... >> >> I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding... > > > That would be lovely :-) > > Spencer > > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle > persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante > dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualo= ra > abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati d= i > darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua > distruzione, Grazie. > > * This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain > privileged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, > copying, printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not > the intended recipient, please delete this message and any attachments an= d > advise the sender by return e-mail, Thanks. * > > *Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =C3=A8 necessario.* > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. 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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Fioccola Giuseppe &= lt;= giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
Hi Spencer, Warren,
My sentence was simply misunderstood, the decision to have an experime= ntal draft is absolutely confirmed.
Regarding the comment from Warren, I suggest to add=C2=A0in Section 5.1 more details of the = experiment (some are already described)

Best Regards,

Giuseppe

=E2=80=8BAwesome, thanks.
W=E2=80=8B<= /div>
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Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 29 nov 2017, alle ore 21:16, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.= ietf@gmail.com> ha scritto:

Hi, Warren,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari <= span dir=3D"ltr"> <warren@kumari.ne= t> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spe= ncer Dawkins at IETF
<spen= cerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused.
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe
> <giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments.<= br> >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF].
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Giuseppe
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net]
>> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38
>> A: The IESG
>> Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro;
>> ippm-cha= irs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; = ippm@ietf.org
>> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-m= ark-13:
>> (with COMMENT)
>>
>> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>> COMMENT:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>>
>> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric= 9;s OpsDir
>> review
>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-= 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/).
>>
>> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be=
>> addressed in -13 version
>>
>> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are m= any
>> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - li= ke how do
>> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I= 'm not
>> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another = devices'
>> markings?
>> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node colo= ring --
>> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes = this
>> useless)?
>>
>> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network.
>>
>> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device= to mark?)
>> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they a= re
>> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error?
>>
>> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established b= y the
>> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure.
>>
>> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this = more
>> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making th= is a discuss.
>>
>> I had some comments and questions:
>> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must b= etter as
>> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors.
>>
>> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perha= ps I missed
>> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1= has a
>> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that see= ms more
>> like a separate Informational document.
>>
>> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more= than
>> experimental
>
>
> I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "mo= re than
> experimental" means anything like "standards track", th= at's a conversation
> we should have REALLY quickly.

I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not = see
a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see
(Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate
(Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns<= br> about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but
would at least make this document flow better.
I think that the way forward is one of:
a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success
/ failure),
b: remarking this document as Informational.

I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors.

Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/shepherds/chairs/working gro= ups take a first pass at comment resolution, unless that looks unresponsive= , but everybody involved in processing this draft through AD Evaluation and= Last Call has been very responsive.

I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft would ne= ed to come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve a dra= ft and launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to do th= at, I'd prefer not to).
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>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if thi= s document
> was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requi= res a
> second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to s= lip
> from this week's telechat agenda.
>
> We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't = go the
> other way.
>
> So, please advise!
>
> If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ...

I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding...

That would be lovely :-)

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ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:38:32 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe an experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to describe why the draft is experimental. 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(Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe an experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to describe = why the draft is experimental. Please see (1) at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark= /shepherdwriteup/ Thanks, Carlos. --_000_2DBCFE2EC26E4E2E969404CF2853398Bciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <38E4E8A07672904F9E7293C9C1CCAF82@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Ben,

On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:

Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for<= br class=3D""> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/



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COMMENT:
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What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe an
experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to describe = why
the draft is experimental.

Please see (1) at https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/shepherdwriteup/

Thanks,

Carlos.




--_000_2DBCFE2EC26E4E2E969404CF2853398Bciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Nov 29 16:34:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733B2126D73; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9sdsGCeenrxU; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF32F1241FC; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.92] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id vAU0YlNj061926 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:34:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.92] From: Ben Campbell Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CEB2959D-0501-4FFD-AB0A-1CDE9F79A950"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:34:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: <2DBCFE2E-C26E-4E2E-9694-04CF2853398B@cisco.com> Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , IPPM Chairs , IETF IPPM WG To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" References: <151199871184.4894.1614147948230550383.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2DBCFE2E-C26E-4E2E-9694-04CF2853398B@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:34:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CEB2959D-0501-4FFD-AB0A-1CDE9F79A950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = wrote: >=20 > Hi, Ben, >=20 >> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>=20 >> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe = an >> experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to = describe why >> the draft is experimental. >=20 > Please see (1) at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/shepherdwriteup/= I think it would be helpful to have text to that effect in the document = itself. Readers of the RFC rarely go back to look at shepherd write ups. Thanks! 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30 Nov 2017 00:37:17 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com (xch-rtp-018.cisco.com [64.101.220.158]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vAU0bGW8021533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:37:17 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:37:16 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:37:16 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Ben Campbell CC: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , IPPM Chairs , "IETF IPPM WG" Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTaWss9aiPe19JwUKsfqhppKQo96MsZlmAgAAArQCAAACwAA== Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:37:15 +0000 Message-ID: <2045FC4C-7389-4984-8FA7-6BAC041B570A@cisco.com> References: <151199871184.4894.1614147948230550383.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2DBCFE2E-C26E-4E2E-9694-04CF2853398B@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.116.133] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_772F7E16-6D6D-4562-B28D-3018FE47AE59"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:37:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_772F7E16-6D6D-4562-B28D-3018FE47AE59 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, Ben, >>=20 >>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>>=20 >>> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >>>=20 >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe = an >>> experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to = describe why >>> the draft is experimental. >>=20 >> Please see (1) at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/shepherdwriteup/= >=20 > I think it would be helpful to have text to that effect in the = document itself. Readers of the RFC rarely go back to look at shepherd = write ups. >=20 I agree with this, Ben. Seems like a small addition in S5.1 would do the = trick. Authors? Thanks! 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Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:07:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.160.149 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:07:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <13548AD9-E896-42C0-95C3-3BBD742381F7@cisco.com> References: <151190867276.8070.6843588233196815979.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <13548AD9-E896-42C0-95C3-3BBD742381F7@cisco.com> From: Warren Kumari Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:07:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" Cc: Spencer Dawkins at IETF , Fioccola Giuseppe , The IESG , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 02:07:58 -0000 I'm not sure I fully understood -- are you saying that this used to explain more what the experiment would be, and then, as this progressed, they did much of the experiment, and now the document describes how it all went, etc? If so, this is a: interesting and b: cool! Whatever the case, I'm (now) fine with the amount of discussion and am fine with Experimental. W On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > Hi, Warren, > > On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF > wrote: > > I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused. > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe > wrote: > > > Hi Warren, > Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. > See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. > > Best Regards, > > Giuseppe > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] > Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38 > A: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; > ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org > Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: > (with COMMENT) > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir > review > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13-opsdir-tel= echat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). > > [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be > addressed in -13 version > > I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are many > places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like how = do > I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm not > making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another devices= ' > markings? > Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node coloring -- > is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes this > useless)? > > [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. > > Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to mark?) > Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are > intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? > > [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by the > filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. > > More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this more > operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a discus= s. > > I had some comments and questions: > 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must better a= s > an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. > > 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I missed > it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 has a > writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems more > like a separate Informational document. > > [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more than > experimental > > > > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than > experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a conversatio= n > we should have REALLY quickly. > > > I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not see > a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see > (Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate > (Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns > about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but > would at least make this document flow better. > I think that the way forward is one of: > a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success > / failure), > b: remarking this document as Informational. > > I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors. > > > Chiming in as shepherd, sharing a datapoint for your consideration. > > At the time of the write-up, I brought up a similar question. At the end,= in > email conversations with the contributors and chairs, I ended up convince= d > that Experimental was the right intended status. > > This is what I included in the writeup: > > (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, > Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why > is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the > title page header? > > The intended status is Experimental. When this work was first put > together, it first described an operational experiment at Telecom Ital= ia. > Although the document is immensely more mature now, and the > foundational elements of an experiment are tested, the measurement > utility of this extension still is to be demonstrated at a variety of > scales > in a plurality of network conditions. Further, this specification does > not > define protocol extensions but instead a method which can be used by > different protocols. Experimental is therefore the appropriate type of > RFC, and it is indicated in the first page. > > > Thanks, > > Carlos. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this docum= ent > was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requires= a > second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to slip > from this week's telechat agenda. > > We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go the > other way. > > So, please advise! > > If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... > > > I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding... > > W > > > Spencer > > > Nits: > Section 1. Introduction > "The lack of adequate tools to measure packet loss with the desired > accuracy drove an effort to design a new method for the performance > monitoring of live traffic, possibly easy to implement and deploy." -- di= d > you mean "possibly" > here? This makes it sound like having it easy to implement and deploy > isn't a goal/ desirable, more like a lucky coincidence if it happens... > > [GF]: Agree "possibly" can be omitted > > Section 1. Introduction > "In case the marking field is obtained by changing existing field values > of" > -- perhaps: "In cases where the marking..."? Actually, this whole sentenc= e > feels a bit clumsy. > > [GF]: Agree, this paragraph can be moved later in the document > > Section 2. Overview of the method > "Since a flow is continuous and cannot be stopped when a counter has to b= e > read, it could be difficult to determine exactly when to read the counter= . " > -- I think that this would be better if it were "it can be difficult" or = "it > would be difficult". > > [GF]: Agree > > Section 3.1. Packet loss measurement > "Traffic coloring could be done by R1 itself or by an upward router." -- > what is an "upward" router? Was this supposed to be upstream? Even if so,= I > think that there needs to be more precision here. > > [GF]: Agree, "upward" is not necessary here > > > > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle > persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante > dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualo= ra > abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati d= i > darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua > distruzione, Grazie. > > This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privilege= d > information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, > printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the inten= ded > recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the > sender by return e-mail, Thanks. > > Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =C3=A8 necessario. > > > > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf > > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Wed Nov 29 18:35:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC9D120454; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org, Carlos Pignataro , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, cpignata@cisco.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151200935030.4865.6846616284067802278.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:35:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 02:35:50 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The normative SHOULD in Sec 5.1.1 seems a bit troubling. If there is to be a normative recommendation about this, wouldn't it be a MUST? If not, under what circumstances would it be ok to flip header bits at one endpoint or at an intermediate node to color a packet when the other endpoint might interpret those bits as being used for a different purpose? From nobody Wed Nov 29 18:37:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1171A1270FC; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=jmyrMycx; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=MJDMx5to Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EIS-LyDjupAp; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4CF3120454; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074B520782; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:37:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=OKkmBLfZU7JC1kQAXAYdqUmRh1ODv R/BLW6q4MxSfTY=; b=jmyrMycxIKAJW9Z+EzunXdmR1ONi5vXiftHpTlWGdlXRh 1rlgHspEgR5Dwc13jsZMLdy37VThFjn/it0yzDT/vGhPMAG4M4sMFThzD2o1jY2m lcpvKWw7k0ixo3CpZnUAywA1GrY2Lm1jcmUYDVnseh9J6IyBWyCYs0DIpCo4o3wm jTPhPO5bxE7IYSi5r8I6/AWl8vKxC2EHc5HXY5E3WJ8LSALzqY26RYX2/dC5VbfQ PV5lf3MHq9uKLYA4eOetNL/Zdv5LCDcEyx4q68gvUMn/cqYymK+hOejvggH5/+Ku tyagHGVPnoNMFyium/W9w4OlyOLEmT7LrNHxwMl0g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=OKkmBL fZU7JC1kQAXAYdqUmRh1ODvR/BLW6q4MxSfTY=; b=MJDMx5to9vRTfxs+aJqEmh wnsGZdy/ovnPGnquNi36xt9GElDNhF5VU0RXPvQ32wo1YB9vkUy99dT65lh3xjks qLb8l0OA5v47JfM7nZ3Yo5LtoerP0rWAjRxnBaVTvjHmphB7QzCXODshEWMyMhkN sgvDpkGLLU0zP6t4rDxiXEF4l/E15Y8p+tiFHWFFcFZPMX2jZMa4hjMZtN+Vt+zl +b68/JqI7w8gzicqmNgMMIgN3ZDQPuk1lHxRGO1gWBezGWdoZ0/YetIwMHeNmucC SSu3bR66yRic1eSgT7G+FDCtLLdl7tzVl80Uy+uKxfyKmg2N1GqzL++BaaJQGqvQ == X-ME-Sender: Received: from sjc-alcoop-8816.cisco.com (unknown [128.107.241.191]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D77FE7F8DE; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <150878488963.24707.9265640878173664530@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:37:17 -0500 Cc: gen-art , draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark.all@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <150878488963.24707.9265640878173664530@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-12 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 02:37:26 -0000 Linda, thanks for your reviews. Authors, thanks for addressing Linda=E2=80= =99s comments. I have entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Oct 23, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Linda Dunbar = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your > document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-12 > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review Date: 2017-10-23 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-09-28 > IESG Telechat date: 2017-10-26 >=20 > Summary: Ready. 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That's what I expected, but needed to ask today, rather than tomorrow. The slightly less misunderstanding Spencer > W=E2=80=8B > > > >> >> Inviato da iPhone >> >> Il giorno 29 nov 2017, alle ore 21:16, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> Hi, Warren, >> >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari wrote= : >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF >>> wrote: >>> > I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi Warren, >>> >> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments. >>> >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF]. >>> >> >>> >> Best Regards, >>> >> >>> >> Giuseppe >>> >> >>> >> -----Messaggio originale----- >>> >> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] >>> >> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38 >>> >> A: The IESG >>> >> Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro; >>> >> ippm-chairs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; ippm@ietf.org >>> >> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13= : >>> >> (with COMMENT) >>> >> >>> >> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for >>> >> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >>> >> >>> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to al= l >>> >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut >>> this >>> >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/stat >>> ement/discuss-criteria.html >>> >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ---------- >>> >> COMMENT: >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ---------- >>> >> >>> >> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric's OpsDir >>> >> review >>> >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark- >>> 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/). >>> >> >>> >> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be >>> >> addressed in -13 version >>> >> >>> >> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are man= y >>> >> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - like >>> how do >>> >> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I'm >>> not >>> >> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another >>> devices' >>> >> markings? >>> >> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node >>> coloring -- >>> >> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes th= is >>> >> useless)? >>> >> >>> >> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network. >>> >> >>> >> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device to >>> mark?) >>> >> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they are >>> >> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error? >>> >> >>> >> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established by >>> the >>> >> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure. >>> >> >>> >> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this mo= re >>> >> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making this a >>> discuss. >>> >> >>> >> I had some comments and questions: >>> >> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must >>> better as >>> >> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors. >>> >> >>> >> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perhaps I >>> missed >>> >> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1 >>> has a >>> >> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that seems >>> more >>> >> like a separate Informational document. >>> >> >>> >> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more >>> than >>> >> experimental >>> > >>> > >>> > I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "more than >>> > experimental" means anything like "standards track", that's a >>> conversation >>> > we should have REALLY quickly. >>> >>> I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not see >>> a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see >>> (Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate >>> (Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns >>> about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but >>> would at least make this document flow better. >>> I think that the way forward is one of: >>> a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success >>> / failure), >>> b: remarking this document as Informational. >>> >>> I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors. >>> >> >> Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/shepherds/chairs/working groups >> take a first pass at comment resolution, unless that looks unresponsive, >> but everybody involved in processing this draft through AD Evaluation an= d >> Last Call has been very responsive. >> >> I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft would need to >> come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve a draft and >> launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to do that, I'd >> prefer not to). >> >> >>> > >>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if this >>> document >>> > was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track >>> requires a >>> > second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to >>> slip >>> > from this week's telechat agenda. >>> > >>> > We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, >>> > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't go >>> the >>> > other way. >>> > >>> > So, please advise! >>> > >>> > If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ... >>> >>> I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding... >> >> >> That would be lovely :-) >> >> Spencer >> >> Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle >> persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivant= e >> dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qual= ora >> abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati = di >> darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua >> distruzione, Grazie. >> >> * This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain >> privileged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination= , >> copying, printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please delete this message and any attachments a= nd >> advise the sender by return e-mail, Thanks. * >> >> *Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =C3=A8 necessario.= * >> > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea > in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > --f403045db63e579e48055f2bfb33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Giuseppe,=C2=A0

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@= kumari.net> wrote:


On Wed, No= v 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Fioccola Giuseppe <giuseppe.fiocco= la@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
Hi Spencer, Warren,
My sentence was simply misunderstood, the decision to have an experime= ntal draft is absolutely confirmed.
Regarding the comment from Warren, I suggest to add=C2=A0in Section 5.1 more details of the = experiment (some are already described)

Best Regards,

Giuseppe

=E2=80=8BAwesome, thanks.

Thanks for me as well. That's what I = expected, but needed to ask today, rather than tomorrow.

The slightly less misunderstanding Spencer
=C2=A0
W=E2=80=8B

<= /span>
=C2=A0

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 29 nov 2017, alle ore 21:16, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.= ietf@gmail.com> ha scritto:

Hi, Warren,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Warren Kumari <= span dir=3D"ltr"> <warren@kumari.ne= t> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29= , 2017 at 2:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF
<spen= cerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm chiming in on one point, because I'm confused.
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Fioccola Giuseppe
> <giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>> Thank you for your opinion of the document and for your comments.<= br> >> See my answers inline tagged as [GF].
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Giuseppe
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net]
>> Inviato: marted=C3=AC 28 novembre 2017 23:38
>> A: The IESG
>> Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; Carlos Pignataro;
>> ippm-cha= irs@ietf.org; cpignata@cisco.com; = ippm@ietf.org
>> Oggetto: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-m= ark-13:
>> (with COMMENT)
>>
>> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection
>>
>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all
>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut= this
>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>
>>
>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>
>>
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here= :
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>> COMMENT:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------<= wbr>----------
>>
>> Firstly, I'd strongly suggest that the authors address Eric= 9;s OpsDir
>> review
>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-= 13-opsdir-telechat-vyncke-2017-11-21/).
>>
>> [GF]: Ok, I will double check but the comments from Eric should be=
>> addressed in -13 version
>>
>> I really like the concept / approach, but I think that there are m= any
>> places where the document hand-waves away some of the details - li= ke how do
>> I configure this (and more importantly, how do I detect) so that I= 'm not
>> making in too many places, and having one device stomp on another = devices'
>> markings?
>> Section 3.1.1 says that it is desirable to have a single node colo= ring --
>> is this supposed to mean a single node *per network* (which makes = this
>> useless)?
>>
>> [GF]: Agree, this is per flow not per network.
>>
>> Or somehow per flow (then how do I know who's the right device= to mark?)
>> Perhaps devices should watch for already colored packets if they a= re
>> intending to color, and alert on this case as an error?
>>
>> [GF]: the right device designated for marking can be established b= y the
>> filter criteria used to select the flow we want to measure.
>>
>> More operational guidance would go a long way towards making this = more
>> operational useful - as this is Experimental I'm not making th= is a discuss.
>>
>> I had some comments and questions:
>> 1: The document lists 8 authors above the fold. This may be must b= etter as
>> an Editor (or two) and the rest moved to contributors.
>>
>> 2: The document is Experimental, but I don't really see (perha= ps I missed
>> it) a description of the experiment to be performed -- Section 5.1= has a
>> writeup of experience gained from running this at TI, but that see= ms more
>> like a separate Informational document.
>>
>> [GF]: This can be discussed, also in my view the scope can be more= than
>> experimental
>
>
> I'm not quite sure what Giuseppe is thinking here, but if "mo= re than
> experimental" means anything like "standards track", th= at's a conversation
> we should have REALLY quickly.

I'm assuming that that isn't the case - I was saying that I do not = see
a good description of an experiment listed, and what I *did* see
(Section 5.1) could be ripped out and published as a separate
(Informational) document. Note that still wouldn't address my concerns<= br> about the lack of an experiment description in this document, but
would at least make this document flow better.
I think that the way forward is one of:
a: adding in a description of the experiment (with metrics for success
/ failure),
b: remarking this document as Informational.

I would think that b is bestest, but leave that up to the AD / authors.

Understood. Ordinarily I let authors/shepherds/chairs/working gro= ups take a first pass at comment resolution, unless that looks unresponsive= , but everybody involved in processing this draft through AD Evaluation and= Last Call has been very responsive.

I chimed in because, if I DIDN'T misunderstand, the draft would ne= ed to come off tomorrow's telechat agenda (yes, we can un-Approve a dra= ft and launch it into a second Last Call, but if we don't have to do th= at, I'd prefer not to).
=C2=A0
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.1.2 says that if thi= s document
> was Last Called as Experimental, approving it as Standards Track requi= res a
> second IETF Last Call calling out the new Category, so would need to s= lip
> from this week's telechat agenda.
>
> We can process BCPs and Standards Track documents as Informational, > Experimental, or Historic without another Last Call, but we can't = go the
> other way.
>
> So, please advise!
>
> If I'm misunderstanding, that's also a fine response ...

I'm assuming that we are misunderstanding...

That would be lovely :-)

Spencer=C2=A0
Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle= persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante = dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora= abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di= darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruz= ione, Grazie.

This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privi= leged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copyin= g, printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the inte= nded recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise t= he sender by return e-mail, Thanks.

Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =C3=A8 nece= ssario.


=
--
I don't think the execution is relevant w= hen it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting= rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen = those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---m= af

--f403045db63e579e48055f2bfb33-- From nobody Thu Nov 30 00:46:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC81200C5; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uw0gSrOoTyQ7; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx02.telecomitalia.it (mx02.telecomitalia.it [217.169.121.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1C8128E19; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: d9a97916-03fff7000000b3a3-5b-5a1fc55ed6c8 Received: from TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local ( [10.14.252.27]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx02.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id 30.59.45987.E55CF1A5; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:46:22 +0100 (CET) From: Fioccola Giuseppe To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , Ben Campbell CC: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org" , IPPM Chairs , "IETF IPPM WG" Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTaXK4SMjLcxfVlUSIUo4QVqFVW6MsAmIAgAAAsYCAAJceIA== Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:46:22 +0000 Message-ID: <2d7a28686d3e453799200b6fc9c8407e@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> References: <151199871184.4894.1614147948230550383.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2DBCFE2E-C26E-4E2E-9694-04CF2853398B@cisco.com> <2045FC4C-7389-4984-8FA7-6BAC041B570A@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2045FC4C-7389-4984-8FA7-6BAC041B570A@cisco.com> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.14.252.250] x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrFKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxfdHWjfuqHyUwZZ9phbzO0+zW3x6t4PF om3tZEaLGX8mMlus3tHNZtHz4B2zA5vHlN8bWT2WLPnJ5DFr5xOWAOaoBkabxLy8/JLEklSF lNTiZFsll8zi5JzEzNzUIoWQ1JzU5PxcJYXMFFslYyWFgpzE5NTc1LwSW6XEgoLUvBQlOy4F DGADVJaZp5Cal5yfkpmXbqvkGeyva2FhaqlrqGQXWJpaXJKvkJtaXJyYnp6Zr5CasF4w4+OK CYwFfwQrrj17zNjA+Iyvi5GTQ0LARGL2lyOMXYxcHEICU5gkWndsZAFJsAnYSBx8dYKti5GD Q0QgQqLlVxFImFlgLaPEzDW5ILYwULi14SEjiC0iECUxf04DG4TtJHF/9kxWEJtFQFXif/Np ZhCbVyBQYvm2C0wQu54zSjR/XQa2i1PAVmLiyg3sIDajgKzEhN2LGCGWiUu8mH6CHeJQAYkl e84zQ9iiEi8f/2OFsA0kti7dxwJhK0pMOvUUKi4jsfDIZFaIOXoSN6ZOYYOwtSWWLXwNdZCg xMmZT1gmMIrNQrJuFpKWWUhaZiFpWcDIsopRNLfCwEivBBJ/mSWJOZmJepklmxiBCebmykqx HYyta50PMQpwMCrx8N7cLx8lxJpYVlyZe4hRgoNZSYQ3sBIoxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iNEH GGQTmaVEk/OByS+vJN7QxMLS0NjCwsjQwswUh7CSOG/WQaBZAunABJadmlqQWgQzjomDU6qB Uc01//TPVAG//vcuIk56T/LPSfQ/Xnj4ttTaadlXb0xbu7097RRD0CmJ/vM9VfPnGxu0BPzb Iadnv+XkhOKuVXLK9cfL9z4I3366uf7lk/vlfpuecix4VunMb/OSQ+F3tZ2s06f9CfUpL7a8 PDjjX740h6j/xazWujcx1rFmm5IrZ2xSj+lTUWIpzkg01GIuKk4EAG9NpJtdAwAA Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] R: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:46:29 -0000 Hi Ben, Carlos, Ben, Thanks for your comment. Please see my answers below, tagged as [GF]. Best Regards, Giuseppe -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) [mailto:cpignata@cisco.com] Inviato: gioved=EC 30 novembre 2017 01:37 A: Ben Campbell Cc: The IESG; draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org; IPPM Chairs; IETF IPPM WG Oggetto: Re: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (wi= th COMMENT) > On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > > > >> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: >> >> Hi, Ben, >> >>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>> >>> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to >>> all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to >>> cut this introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to >>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> COMMENT: >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> What is the nature of the experiment? Section 5.1 seems to describe >>> an experiment that predates publication, but I don't see anything to >>> describe why the draft is experimental. >> >> Please see (1) at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/shepherdwri >> teup/ > > I think it would be helpful to have text to that effect in the document it= self. Readers of the RFC rarely go back to look at shepherd write ups. > I agree with this, Ben. Seems like a small addition in S5.1 would do the tri= ck. Authors? [GF]: Agree, we can add some text in Section 5.1 to address this comment. Thanks! Carlos. > Thanks! > > Ben. > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended reci= pient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender= by return e-mail, Thanks. 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draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark@ietf.org, Carlos Pignataro , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, cpignata@cisco.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151205312407.4793.14887049060021707473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:45:24 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:45:24 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I see that there was agreement with the addition as suggested by the SecDir reviewer and I also agree with these suggested additions, but I don't see them in the version under review. Are these planned additions already, if not, could you please add in that text? https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdir/dYwXHZ__a4o9qPA8LXEfHj0URg4 Thank you! 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