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This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) Data Model Authors : Ruth Civil Al Morton Reshad Rahman Mahesh Jethanandani Kostas Pentikousis Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10.txt Pages : 68 Date : 2018-05-03 Abstract: This document specifies a data model for client and server implementations of the Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP). The document defines the TWAMP data model through Unified Modeling Language (UML) class diagrams and formally specifies it using YANG. 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" and I do not know what that is telling me when it tells me that that is an octet string although it does answer a question that I might have had about the key length. I see octets as a user-friendly way of representing binary, except that here that is not used so I remain uncertain. . Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:40 PM > This version of the draft address comments from SecDir and Tom Petch. We believe, we have addressed all outstanding comments on the draft. > > Thanks. > > > On May 3, 2018, at 10:37 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) Data Model > > Authors : Ruth Civil > > Al Morton > > Reshad Rahman > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > Kostas Pentikousis > > Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10.txt > > Pages : 68 > > Date : 2018-05-03 > > > > Abstract: > > This document specifies a data model for client and server > > implementations of the Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP). > > The document defines the TWAMP data model through Unified Modeling > > Language (UML) class diagrams and formally specifies it using YANG. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ippm mailing list > > ippm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Fri May 4 05:02:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FE0120724 for ; 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I would imagine it tells you the format in which it is stored. If this = were an SNMP document, it would tell you that it was an ASN.1 OCTET = STRING, which is pretty general about what it contains, but very = specific about the container. 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Worley) To: "t.petch" Cc: mjethanandani@gmail.com, ippm@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <001001d3e398$ce415a80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> (ietfa@btconnect.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 22:45:14 -0400 Message-ID: <877eoi3jnp.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLlHofVwLt/5NorxftoVgJkSP4hva5tMpXfjyeDzI2P/mdV3lszUz6KR5gM8SZyoIQ3bgZ0EwGI6vyvRmlc4NQQAsrOlc8nAqL7x3GGksP5hDjSYb32R qzG3tXRGkzxjAErzuu+1Mx7YIbuQmFB6DwNoAdJSww3hDzyx4n0ov0b48TsfHuLDGVi0R3zpMmIJwkzFaefcvBdZjcvFHEqqgB3yuXZuqsFh/PbauaG6wnk+ DZVOQw6DNOR9TdmSpTf9SGRgMPSS5g2Vd2tLsui8oek6fxmwLG3HMP4dEzaiEusCA9WmSvvTSo7WCGA7uD1oCA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-10.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 02:45:19 -0000 "t.petch" writes: > One sentence that has remained unchanged is > "The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet > string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is > unspecified. " > and I do not know what that is telling me when it tells me that that is > an octet string although it does answer a question that I might have had > about the key length. I see octets as a user-friendly way of > representing binary, except that here that is not used so I remain > uncertain. . OK... being totally naive about this document (which may place me well as a generic reader), I take it to mean that the universe of secret-keys is one-to-one with the set of octet strings. In particular, I can choose any octet string and use it as a secret-key. Conversely, strings of bits whose length is not a multiple of 8 are not allowed. It also suggests that some uses or users might choose to interpret a secret-key as a representation of a text string or limit the secret-keys that they use to ones that represent text strings, but that the document prescribes no particular way to do that, and secret-keys are not limited to octet strings that can be interpreted as text strings. 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Worley" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 3:45 AM > "t.petch" writes: > > One sentence that has remained unchanged is > > "The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet > > string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is > > unspecified. " > > and I do not know what that is telling me when it tells me that that is > > an octet string although it does answer a question that I might have had > > about the key length. I see octets as a user-friendly way of > > representing binary, except that here that is not used so I remain > > uncertain. . > > OK... being totally naive about this document (which may place me well > as a generic reader), I take it to mean that the universe of secret-keys > is one-to-one with the set of octet strings. In particular, I can > choose any octet string and use it as a secret-key. Conversely, strings > of bits whose length is not a multiple of 8 are not allowed. It also > suggests that some uses or users might choose to interpret a secret-key > as a representation of a text string or limit the secret-keys that they > use to ones that represent text strings, but that the document > prescribes no particular way to do that, and secret-keys are not limited > to octet strings that can be interpreted as text strings. Sorry if I was not specific enough - it is the use of 'string' that gives me pause. The data type is binary, in YANG, and that is described in RFC7950 as a 'a sequence of octets.' so if this I-D used sequence instead of string I would be content. It is the use of string that, for me, brings in images of characters, Unicode and such like which I think are not intended. 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If you folks can contact the original authors and ask if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330. If you can't, it's probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now. Thanks! Spencer --000000000000d096e8056bb4fea3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all,

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Fra= ncesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com><= /span> wrote:
> [acm]=
> We can add the pre-5378 disclaimer as a catch-all, but I doubt the ori= ginal
> authors would make any fuss about the small amount of common text with=
> 2330.
> Almes, Paxson, Mahdavi and Mathis are all gentlemen and the best of th= eir
> time.
>

I'm sure they are :) Just relaying what the id-nits told me.
=

If I might make an observation - the disco= ntinuity between pre-5379 and post-5370 copyright grants isn't going to= get better (until all pre-5370 RFCs are Historic), and we already have som= e running code from pre-5370 RFC authors becoming unreachable (in extreme c= ases, because they died).

If you folks can contact= the original authors and ask if they have any objections to use of the upd= ated copyright boilerplate now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM n= eeds to update 2330.=C2=A0

If you can't, it= 9;s probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now.

Thanks!

Spencer=C2=A0

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X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152607098911.10660.16681840565207552923.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 13:36:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] ippm - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 20:36:31 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Brian Trammell, a Chair of the ippm working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: IP Performance Measurement Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Brian Trammell Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 60 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: tsvarea tsvwg taps bmwg xrblock quic Second Priority: v6ops 6man 6lo sunset4 opsec tcpm Third Priority: cdni People 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Do not schedule opposite panrg (hard conflict with chair) --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue May 15 02:05:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBC312D7E6 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIVo5ZMjfRy2 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1BC012D77A for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 922A08F5C0A for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:05:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.382.0; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:05:53 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.44]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Tue, 15 May 2018 17:05:50 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: IETF IPPM WG , Fioccola Giuseppe Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02 Thread-Index: AdPsK9oVzgcjEcTjQX20h2w3dtS2bQ== Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 09:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967E@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.153.152] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967Enkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 09:05:58 -0000 --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967Enkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've reviewed this draft. It seems a very interesting work. I have a few co= mments as follow: 1. As a people first read this draft, I found the motivation of this = draft is not strong enough, maybe it's good to add some comparing to existi= ng methods, for example, monitoring specific flows by end-to-end and then u= sing ALM to identify the problem when the flow is abnormal. 2. In section 4.4, "multipoint paths basis or on single packets basis= " may need some clarifications. 3. Section 4.4, "In the latter case, you can use multipoint path just= to easily couple packects between inputs and output nodes of a multipoint = path, as it is described in the following sections". Is it true that follow= ing sections are only "single packets basis"? 4. Section 4.4.2, Does the mean delay rely on single marking or not? = If yes, I think it's better to rearrange 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, maybe combine the= m together, like RFC8321. Other editorial comments: 1. 2nd para of 4.1, "tecniques" should be "techniques". 2. The 2nd Para of 4.2, "And in case of no packet loss occurring in t= he marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the number of packets is the same on all the ingress= interfaces and on all the egress interfaces." To be accurate, maybe it's b= etter to change to "... the sum of the number packets on all the ingress in= terface and on all the egress interfaces" 3. Section 4.4, "packects"->"packets" BR, Rachel --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967Enkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I’ve reviewed this draft.= It seems a very interesting work. I have a few comments as follow:

 

1= .   &= nbsp;   As a people first read = this draft, I found the motivation of this draft is not strong enough, mayb= e it’s good to add some comparing to existing methods, for example, m= onitoring specific flows by end-to-end and then using ALM to identify the problem when the flow is abnormal.

2= .   &= nbsp;   In section 4.4, “= multipoint paths basis or on single packets basis” may need some clar= ifications.  

3= .   &= nbsp;   Section 4.4, “In the latter case, you can use multipoint path just = to easily couple packects between inputs and output nodes of a multipoint p= ath, as it is described in the following sections”. Is it true that following sections are only “single packets basis= 221;?

4= .   &= nbsp;   Section 4.4.2, Does the= mean delay rely on single marking or not? If yes, I think it’s bette= r to rearrange 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, maybe combine them together, like RFC8321.<= o:p>

 

Other editorial comments:<= /o:p>

 

1= .   &= nbsp;   2nd para of = 4.1, “tecniques” should be “te= chniques”.

2= .   &= nbsp;   The 2nd Para= of 4.2, “And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking peri= od, if all

   the input and outp= ut points of the network domain to be monitored are

   measurement points= , the number of packets is the same on all the ingress interfaces and on al= l the egress interfaces.” To be accurate, maybe it’s better to = change to “… the sum of the number packets on all the ingress interface and on all the egress interfaces”

3= .   &= nbsp;    Section 4.4, R= 20;packects”->”packets”

 

BR,

Rachel

--_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967Enkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Tue May 15 06:03:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07374127775 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.401 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GHwEDW4ft3wl for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 06:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx03.telecomitalia.it (mx03.telecomitalia.it [217.169.121.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FA92127333 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: d9a97917-42fff70000002d4d-1c-5afadab45c3b Received: from TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local ( [10.14.252.27]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx03.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id 70.FF.11597.4BADAFA5; Tue, 15 May 2018 15:03:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Fioccola Giuseppe To: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02 Thread-Index: AdPsK9oVzgcjEcTjQX20h2w3dtS2bQAGYA8w Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 13:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: <9da1b60fdea14d0e8861a1b2f596df65@TELMBXB02RM001.telecomitalia.local> References: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967E@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB9C6D967E@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.14.252.238] x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9da1b60fdea14d0e8861a1b2f596df65TELMBXB02RM001telecomit_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrNKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxfdHWnfLrV9RBvt2qVj0PHjHbLG08xS7 A5NHy5G3rB5LlvxkCmCKamC0SczLyy9JLElVSEktTrZVcsksTs5JzMxNLVIISc1JTc7PVVLI TLFVMlZSKMhJTE7NTc0rsVVKLChIzUtRsuNSwAA2QGWZeQqpecn5KZl56bZKnsH+uhYWppa6 hkp2gaWpxSX5CrmpxcWJ6emZ+QqpCesFM56/us9SMLWHsWL+Y+4GxvfVXYycHBICJhLnZt1j B7GFBKYySexdnwFiswnYSBx8dYINxBYRCJE4dHwyE4gtLOAs8W/dVuYuRg6guIvEkUn2ECVG EvevfmIFsVkEVCXuzFgKZvMKBEo8evSDGWJ8qMSDRf/BbE6BMImNv5aC2YwCshITdi9iBLGZ BcQlbj2ZzwRxmoDEkj3nmSFsUYmXj/+xQtgGEluX7mOBsBUlPp7fzAhhy0gsPDKZFWJOvsSX t+eZIG4QlDg58wnLBEaRWUhWzEJSNgtJGURcT+LG1ClsELa2xLKFr5khbF2JGf8OsSCLL2Bk X8UomlthYKxXAonJzJLEnMxEvcySTYzAFHJzZaX4Dsb2lc6HGAU4GJV4eO1X/4oSYk0sK67M PcQowcGsJMK72+hnlBBvSmJlVWpRfnxRaU5q8SFGH2BITmSWEk3OB6a3vJJ4QxMLS0NjCwsj QwszUxzCSuK8E2cCzRJIBya17NTUgtQimHFMHJxSDYxKRlz+3g/mWHssqTXKYJT+brNy+tO8 XXXsWedSFqh0+797mcX376LjqeMlh/Yb/So3lJhkOS9XWEiAhefC+51s0vmxS5d1VP96/2nh vSt1n4x25k3adXtXVH5FSoL1Wr8Pmea8AUdVpz/h0Gj4v+jr9FKpl0x95+6K/Hy1yf1k7A92 AYeK6fFKLMUZiYZazEXFiQDGX277TgMAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 13:03:54 -0000 --_000_9da1b60fdea14d0e8861a1b2f596df65TELMBXB02RM001telecomit_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rachel, Thank you for reviewing the draft. My answers inline tagged as [GF] Best Regards, Giuseppe From: Huangyihong (Rachel) [mailto:rachel.huang@huawei.com] Sent: marted=EC 15 maggio 2018 11:06 To: IETF IPPM WG ; Fioccola Giuseppe Subject: Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02 Hi, I've reviewed this draft. It seems a very interesting work. I have a few com= ments as follow: 1. As a people first read this draft, I found the motivation of this d= raft is not strong enough, maybe it's good to add some comparing to existing= methods, for example, monitoring specific flows by end-to-end and then usin= g ALM to identify the problem when the flow is abnormal. [GF]: Agree, we have to emphasize that this document allows flexible and ada= ptive performance measurements in an SDN orchestrated network. Also, a compa= rison with the state of art is needed. 2. In section 4.4, "multipoint paths basis or on single packets basis"= may need some clarifications. [GF]: You are right. This was described during the presentation in London bu= t we have to clarify the idea. We can split the Delay Measurement Section in= to two sub-Section, one on multipoint path basis and the other on single pac= kets basis measurements. 3. Section 4.4, "In the latter case, you can use multipoint path just= to easily couple packects between inputs and output nodes of a multipoint p= ath, as it is described in the following sections". Is it true that followin= g sections are only "single packets basis"? [GF]: Yes, it is true. 4. Section 4.4.2, Does the mean delay rely on single marking or not? I= f yes, I think it's better to rearrange 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, maybe combine them= together, like RFC8321. [GF]: Yes, it makes sense to combine 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 together. But we should= also distinguish between multipoint path basis and single packets basis mea= surements. Other editorial comments: 1. 2nd para of 4.1, "tecniques" should be "techniques". [GF]: Will fix it. 2. The 2nd Para of 4.2, "And in case of no packet loss occurring in th= e marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the number of packets is the same on all the ingress= interfaces and on all the egress interfaces." To be accurate, maybe it's be= tter to change to "... the sum of the number packets on all the ingress inte= rface and on all the egress interfaces" [GF]: it makes sense, I will modify the sentence. 3. Section 4.4, "packects"->"packets" [GF]: Will fix it. BR, Rachel Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. 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Hi Rachel,

Thank you for reviewing the draft.

My answers inline tagged as [GF]

 

Best Regards,

 

Giuseppe

 

From: Huangyihong (Rachel) [mailto:rachel.huang@huawe= i.com]
Sent: marted=EC 15 maggio 2018 11:06
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>; Fioccola Giuseppe <giusepp= e.fioccola@telecomitalia.it>
Subject: Comments on draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-02<= /o:p>

 

Hi,

 

I’ve reviewed this draft. It seems a very interesting work. I hav= e a few comments as follow:

 

1.       As a people first read this draft, I found the motivation of th= is draft is not strong enough, maybe it’s good to add some comparing t= o existing methods, for example, monitoring specific flows by end-to-end and then using ALM to identify the problem whe= n the flow is abnormal.

[GF]: Agree, we have to emphasize that this document a= llows flexible and adaptive performance measurements in an SDN orchestrated= network. Also, a comparison with the state of art is needed.

2.       In section 4.4, “multipoint paths basis or on single pack= ets basis” may need some clarifications.  

[GF]: You are right. This was described during the pre= sentation in London but we have to clarify the idea. We can split the Delay= Measurement Section into two sub-Section, one on multipoint path basis and the other on single packets basis measurem= ents.

3.       Section 4.4, “In the latter case, you can use multipoint path just to e= asily couple packects between inputs and output nodes of a multipoint path, as it is described in the following sections”. Is it= true that following sections are only “single packets basis”?

[GF]: Yes, it is true.

4.       Section 4.4.2, Does the mean delay rely on single marking or no= t? If yes, I think it’s better to rearrange 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, maybe com= bine them together, like RFC8321.

[GF]: Yes, it makes sense to combine 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 t= ogether. But we should also distinguish between multipoint path basis and si= ngle packets basis measurements.

 

Other editorial comments:

 

1.       2nd para of 4.1, “te= cniquesR= 21; should be “techniques”.

[GF]: Will fix it.

2.       The 2nd Para of 4.2, “And in case of no packet= loss occurring in the marking period, if all

   the input and output points of the network domain to be mo= nitored are

   measurement points, the number of packets is the same on a= ll the ingress interfaces and on all the egress interfaces.” To be acc= urate, maybe it’s better to change to “… the sum of the number packets on all the ingress interface and on all the egress inter= faces”

[GF]: it makes sense, I will modify the sentence.=

3.        Section 4.4, “packects”->= 221;packets”

[GF]: Will fix it.

 

BR,

Rachel

Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle= persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante d= alla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora a= bbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di da= rne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie.

This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privil= eged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying,= printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intende= d recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the s= ender by return e-mail, Thanks.

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--_000_9da1b60fdea14d0e8861a1b2f596df65TELMBXB02RM001telecomit_-- From nobody Mon May 21 09:11:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84B12EB2D; Thu, 17 May 2018 10:40:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: "Bill Cerveny" , "Brian Trammell" Cc: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= , Scott Mansfield , Bill Cerveny , "A. C. 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C. Morton Technical Contacts: Purpose: For information Body: ITU-T Study Group 12 thanks you for your liaison, sharing your plan to put Draft Q.3961, “Testing methodologies of Internet related performance measurements including e2e bit rate within the fixed and mobile operator’s networks”, on hold, awaiting the progress of other standards. We are aware that text similar to Q.3961 is under development in ETSI INT and has received extensive comments during the attempted approval process, all of which remain un-addressed and unresolved after many months. We are also aware of similar text recently revised by ETSI STQ, which has been prepared for a specification with completely non-compatible scope to draft Q.3961, and which suffers from the same shortcomings raised in the ETSI INT approval process. In summary, there is no available text to support Draft Q.3961 moving forward at this time, in any form. Study Group 12 has participated in the Joint meeting with SG11 and ETSI INT, and our plan is to prepare relevant normative specifications for IP-layer Capacity and Flow-related Parameters (throughput), and that SG11 make use of the new specifications when available, as expressed during the meeting by SG12 Chairman, Kwame Baah-Acheamfuor. We were pleased that there were no objections to this cooperative plan, and will proceed as agreed. At this time, we would like to inform you of our progress to develop the aforementioned normative specifications in Study Group 12. The IETF has approved and published RFC 8337, “Model-Based Metrics for Bulk Transport Capacity”, in March 2018. The Model-Based Metrics (MBM) work was the result of many years considering the problem of transport capacity measurement, primarily in the IETF IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) working group. The specification carefully describes the many issues and difficulties with repeatability when testing with standard-compliant TCP (section 4), and solves these problems principally by designing a method and a set of diagnostic tests where TCP’s flow-control is disabled. The method involves the evaluation of a target transport performance in terms of transmission rate and Round-trip time (RTT). Study Group 12 now informs you of our plans to resolve the need for Recommendations in this area. Study Group 12 will take the MBM work as a starting-point, prepare normative specifications for IP-layer Capacity and Flow-related Parameters (throughput), and evaluate multiple versions of candidate definitions for these parameters through a comprehensive evaluation plan. The approach is to compare measurements using implementations of candidate parameters with the “ground-truth” of baseline path bandwidth, characterized on a per-element basis. The testing campaign will be conducted over different access types and path conditions, evaluating the errors observed and determining where the candidates are sufficiently accurate, and where they are not. Study Group 12 has provided a detailed explanation of the clause 6.12 requirements in Appendix IX of Rec. Y.1540, titled “Explanation of TCP-based measurement inadequacy to meet normative requirements”. However, we have concluded that Capacity measurements described in RFC 8337 meet the requirements in clause 6.12 of ITU-T Recommendation Y.1540 (as described in SG12 C160, see attached). We invite all experts to participate in the evaluation plan’s development and to subsequently participate in the evaluations. SG11’s plans to develop the text of the draft Q.3961 should now move forward after the evaluation and approval of Study Group 12’s normative specifications are complete, according to the contribution-driven schedule. Certainly, SG11 experts will be willing to contribute their expertise and resources to this plan, consistent with their desire to complete work on this topic as quickly as possible. The current draft of revisions to Y.1540, and a new Annex A for the new parameter definitions now contains the current text of the evaluation plan for candidate definitions for the new normative parameters for IP-layer Capacity and Flow-related Parameters (throughput). Study Group 12 would like to invite Study Group 11 to schedule co-located meetings in Geneva, as this would give us the additional opportunity to schedule a workshop adjacent to the meeting dates. We would like to use the workshop to share our experience, to make the work of overseeing our mandate and our coordination roles more efficient and effective. 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Dear IPPM working group,

Mirja and I ha= ve agreed to move responsibility for IPPM from me to her, and we're doi= ng that now.=C2=A0

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Thanks for being an awesome and productive= working group! It's been a pleasure to serve you.

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--00000000000052a146056cb9e144-- From nobody Tue May 22 08:01:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83D112EB54; Tue, 22 May 2018 08:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NOdQ87A_qKer; Tue, 22 May 2018 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb0-x233.google.com (mail-yb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5294C12EB4B; Tue, 22 May 2018 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb0-x233.google.com with SMTP id v12-v6so6419384ybl.10; Tue, 22 May 2018 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aFIqaW7qQ2LdNAMo4opThXPB+hcXtJXpYPX3mpr1iTs=; b=Xks8g4oANKuUHcg0462wJQKaLI5jY0T0r9toBbvlusfqmIRwCsM8twkB/YR5mBW8X8 FFCtrm5+sOyTwUN1dQBFNQXTtz4EJ3z931KrtEdqzZqTH2WulO9CTlz6Ue7ij9EnzeEP Q0rL1tkfOHb9TJI9KzGOqj2GixVrL76ruc0ujX7QtIZyO1Bg0i4iENsPMiN4G5z1jxp5 8k6qGSa/RDSxGHGDTEXY0C2K0rESDis+QqIOF/t84HKARhaQijQOl8fJNpya0s1qYwk3 7cRc329BBqnuqwiPo12s30P6h2RvmJP2qB8C+Ka+V/lyf+PWJljrXrTzPchsTZz+XmL5 096w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aFIqaW7qQ2LdNAMo4opThXPB+hcXtJXpYPX3mpr1iTs=; b=jSGkqIIaIm3xAs83wqViru4DIGkRLV0H3QRjXEbmj9NULKU+WrTquUAsKv5GFyCHXP yvWHm3dniazxX7/TAe7uaKBYdf/ts5MMfC3N1sx3RSHqlBEaG1yQVO9si4LdYlJC5Dyl /jv0vB1RXBLwCa6N82ysS+oi8keTK5DROsnFsJFg7oXzym2APlvb3gwULCzB7d053aKw jEO48MhNNtxKE8YM/ezIWcKhpg6MP8Msa1zPa12Sy/f+Im0NV+1pkuh3A3PPH6eFk27P g6rYbb+sGFSIRTGzpmDxa5spUWs/HYdWdwk2CcydCIJRyapNtHsEGNKs/UDfZv7ZZJ2n AFTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwePVYNkIi92V6qwB1HOEzONVq7/pGV6eBoofDcHULDbvNWukbAc RyhqwaecTbmb2VOl/j7TaRmdbI0xX4NYMoyxnFo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpCP6ev1BBOjppG5CG33foZSxSrQxUb25UQQcImhevOoLhHWHh+ATQKQ+fEYR6UnGFtHVTPFEjTgM2xCDLXkE4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:6a55:: with SMTP id f82-v6mr13702966ybc.235.1527001306341; Tue, 22 May 2018 08:01:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <152448027744.5388.467690097024295297@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF4A8EE72E@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF4A8F33D7@njmtexg5.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CF4A8F33D7@njmtexg5.research.att.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 10:01:33 -0500 Message-ID: To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: Francesca Palombini , gen-art , ippm@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fa4ee056cccb25c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 15:01:50 -0000 --0000000000006fa4ee056cccb25c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Al, On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:23 AM MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Spencer wrote: > > If you folks can contact the original authors and ask if they have any > objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come > in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330. > > > > If you can't, it's probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now. > > > > [acm] I updated the disclaimer in the working version. > > I think there are a few more editorial comments to resolve. > I think we're just waiting for a fairly small -05 revision to put this on a telechat, is that the way it looks to you? Spencer > Al > > > > *From:* Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:20 PM > *To:* Francesca Palombini > *Cc:* MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ; gen-art@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04 > > > > Hi, draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all, > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Francesca Palombini < > francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > [acm] > > We can add the pre-5378 disclaimer as a catch-all, but I doubt the > original > > authors would make any fuss about the small amount of common text with > > 2330. > > Almes, Paxson, Mahdavi and Mathis are all gentlemen and the best of their > > time. > > > > I'm sure they are :) Just relaying what the id-nits told me. > > > > If I might make an observation - the discontinuity between pre-5379 and > post-5370 copyright grants isn't going to get better (until all pre-5370 > RFCs are Historic), and we already have some running code from pre-5370 RFC > authors becoming unreachable (in extreme cases, because they died). > > > > If you folks can contact the original authors and ask if they have any > objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come > in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330. > > > > If you can't, it's probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Spencer > > > --0000000000006fa4ee056cccb25c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Al,

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:23 AM MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> wrote:

Spencer wrote:

If you folks can contact the original authors = and ask if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerp= late now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330.

=C2=A0

If you can't, it's probably best to up= date the copyright disclaimer now.

=C2=A0

[acm] I updated the disclaimer in the working = version.

I think there are a few more editorial comment= s to resolve.


I thin= k we're just waiting for a fairly small -05 revision to put this on a t= elechat, is that the way it looks to you?

Spencer<= /div>
=C2=A0

Al

=C2=A0

From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailt= o:spence= rdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Cc: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; gen-art@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@iet= f.org
Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04=

=C2=A0

Hi,=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all,

=C2=A0

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Francesca Palombini= <= francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:

> [acm]
> We can add the pre-5378 disclaimer as a catch-all, but I doubt the ori= ginal
> authors would make any fuss about the small amount of common text with=
> 2330.
> Almes, Paxson, Mahdavi and Mathis are all gentlemen and the best of th= eir
> time.
>

I'm sure they are :) Just relaying what the id-nits told me.<= /u>

=C2=A0

If I might make an observation - the discontinuity b= etween pre-5379 and post-5370 copyright grants isn't going to get bette= r (until all pre-5370 RFCs are Historic), and we already have some running = code from pre-5370 RFC authors becoming unreachable (in extreme cases, because they died).

=C2=A0

If you folks can contact the original authors and as= k if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate n= ow, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

If you can't, it's probably best to update t= he copyright disclaimer now.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Spencer=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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[24.193.163.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s16-v6sm14478573qks.78.2018.05.23.03.58.24 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 May 2018 03:58:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <152481331931.12144.2330234813221930909.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2F7C583E-F89C-4A4F-A3DD-D36EDF6324D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org, Nalini Elkins , ippm@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13G36) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 06:58:23 -0400 To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 10:58:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2F7C583E-F89C-4A4F-A3DD-D36EDF6324D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Spencer, Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com > On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System wrote: >>=20 >> Please DO NOT reply to this email. >>=20 >> I-D: >> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-y= ang/ >>=20 >> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to >> Waiting for Writeup. >=20 > So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from L= ast Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, i= s that right? It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was co= nflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last thought= on it was this: > Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that > the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. Cheers. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Spencer=20 --Apple-Mail-2F7C583E-F89C-4A4F-A3DD-D36EDF6324D5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethanandani

On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:



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I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
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IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to
Waiting for Writeup.

So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right?

It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last thought on it was this:

Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that
the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here.

which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.

Cheers.


Thanks,

Spencer 
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Mahesh Jethanandani Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org, Nalini Elkins , ippm@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007e6d7a056cdeef76" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 12:47:24 -0000 --0000000000007e6d7a056cdeef76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Mahesh, On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" wrote: Hi Spencer, Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > > Please DO NOT reply to this email. > > I-D: > Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp- > yang/ > > IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to > Waiting for Writeup. > So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right? It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last thought on it was this: Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. I could believe that ... So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? Spencer Cheers. Thanks, Spencer --0000000000007e6d7a056cdeef76 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Mahesh,

On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani&quo= t; <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethanandani

On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spenc= er Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:



On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Ma= il System <= iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:

Please DO NOT reply to this email.

I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/

IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to
Waiting for Writeup.

So, just following= up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on st= ring vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right?=

It was my underst= anding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the = definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last though= t on it was this:

Perhaps binary, as you had it orig= inally, is best but I do think that
the IETF is confused, or conflicted,= here.

which we reflected in -= 10 version of the draft.

I could believe that ...

So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Ca= ll?

Spencer


Cheers.


Thanks,

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On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Mahesh, On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" wrote: Hi Spencer, Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > > Please DO NOT reply to this email. > > I-D: > Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d > oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ > > IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to > Waiting for Writeup. > So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right? It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last thought on it was this: Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. I could believe that ... So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? Spencer Spencer Cheers. Thanks, Spencer --000000000000960dc5056cdef65e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, still drinking diet coke ...

On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "= ;Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Mahesh,


On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" <mjethanandani@gmail.com= > wrote:
Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gm= ail.com

On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@= gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri,= Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wro= te:

Please DO NOT reply to this email.

I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/

IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to
Waiting for Writeup.

So, just following= up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on st= ring vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right?=

It was my underst= anding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the = definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last though= t on it was this:

Perhaps binary, as you had it orig= inally, is best but I do think that
the IETF is confused, or conflicted,= here.

which we reflected in -= 10 version of the draft.

I could believe that ...
<= div dir=3D"auto">
So, Nalini, is -10 ready for L= ast Call?

<= /div>
Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IE= SG"?

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Spencer
=

Cheers.


Thanks,

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I'll give the authors a day to object, and then get this draft placed on a telechat agenda ... Spencer FYI =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m taking a few days off, so replies will be delayed, like this one. regards, Al *From:* Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:02 AM *To:* MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) *Cc:* Francesca Palombini ; gen-art < gen-art@ietf.org>; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04 Hi, Al, On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:23 AM MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: Spencer wrote: If you folks can contact the original authors and ask if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330. If you can't, it's probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now. [acm] I updated the disclaimer in the working version. I think there are a few more editorial comments to resolve. I think we're just waiting for a fairly small -05 revision to put this on a telechat, is that the way it looks to you? Spencer Al *From:* Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:20 PM *To:* Francesca Palombini *Cc:* MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ; gen-art@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04 Hi, draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all, On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Francesca Palombini < francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote: > [acm] > We can add the pre-5378 disclaimer as a catch-all, but I doubt the original > authors would make any fuss about the small amount of common text with > 2330. > Almes, Paxson, Mahdavi and Mathis are all gentlemen and the best of their > time. > I'm sure they are :) Just relaying what the id-nits told me. If I might make an observation - the discontinuity between pre-5379 and post-5370 copyright grants isn't going to get better (until all pre-5370 RFCs are Historic), and we already have some running code from pre-5370 RFC authors becoming unreachable (in extreme cases, because they died). If you folks can contact the original authors and ask if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330. If you can't, it's probably best to update the copyright disclaimer now. Thanks! Spencer --000000000000c1617b056cdf073c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On May 23, 2018 7:10 AM, "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com> wrote:

Hi Spencer,

=C2=A0

If co-authors are satisfied with the version I= sent

on May 9th, then we are ready to go= .

I'll give the authors a day to object, and th= en get this draft placed on a telechat agenda ...
Spencer

=C2=A0FYI =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m taking a= few days off, so replies will be

delayed, like this one.

=C2=A0

regards,

Al

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:bl= ack">=C2=A0

From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailt= o:spence= rdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:02 AM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>= ; gen-art <gen-art= @ietf.org>; ippm@= ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org


Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04=

=C2=A0

Hi, Al,=

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:23 AM MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)= <acm@research= .att.com> wrote:

Spencer wrote:

If you folks can contact the original authors = and ask if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate now, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update= 2330.

=C2=A0

If you can't, it's probably best to up= date the copyright disclaimer now.

=C2=A0

[acm] I updated the disclaimer in the working = version.

I think there are a few more editorial comment= s to resolve.

=C2=A0

I think we're just waiting for a fairly small -0= 5 revision to put this on a telechat, is that the way it looks to you?

=C2=A0

Spencer

=C2=A0

Al

=C2=A0

From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailt= o:spence= rdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>=
Cc: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; gen-art@ietf.org;= ippm@ietf.org; ietf@= ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-04=

=C2=A0

Hi,=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all,<= u>

=C2=A0

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Francesca Palombini= <= francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:

> [acm]
> We can add the pre-5378 disclaimer as a catch-all, but I doubt the ori= ginal
> authors would make any fuss about the small amount of common text with=
> 2330.
> Almes, Paxson, Mahdavi and Mathis are all gentlemen and the best of th= eir
> time.
>

I'm sure they are :) Just relaying what the id-nits told me.<= /u>

=C2=A0

If I might make an observation - the discontinuity b= etween pre-5379 and post-5370 copyright grants isn't going to get bette= r (until all pre-5370 RFCs are Historic), and we already have some running code from pre-5370 RFC authors becoming unreachable (in = extreme cases, because they died).

=C2=A0

If you folks can contact the original authors and as= k if they have any objections to use of the updated copyright boilerplate n= ow, that may come in handy the next time IPPM needs to update 2330.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

If you can't, it's probably best to update t= he copyright disclaimer now.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Spencer=C2=A0

=C2=A0


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Chrome/66.0.3359.181 Safari/537.36 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 14:33:21 -0000 ------=_Part_311674_309437413.1527085996122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" wrote: Hi, Mahesh, On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" wrote: Hi Spencer, Mahesh Jethanandanimjethanandani@gmail.com On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System wrote: Please DO NOT reply to this email. I-D: Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to Waiting for Writeup. So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a -11, is that right? It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last thought on it was this: Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. I could believe that ... So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? > Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? Yes, I believe it is. Nalini ------=_Part_311674_309437413.1527085996122 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On May 23, 2018 7:47 = AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote= :
Hi, Mahesh,
=

On May 23, 2018 5= :58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethana= ndani

On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spen= cerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com > wrote:



On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTrack= er Mail System <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:

Please DO NOT reply to this email.

I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09 .txt>
Datatracker URL: https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/d oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/

IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to
Waiting for Writeup.

So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversa= tion from Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflecte= d in a -11, is that right?

It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom,= that he felt IETF was conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or = 'binary'. His last thought on it was this:

Perhaps binary, as you = had it originally, is best but I do think that
the IETF i= s confused, or conflicted, here.

=
which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.

I could = believe that ...

So, Nalini, is -10= ready for Last Call?

> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the I= ESG"?

Yes, I believe it is.

Nalini


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Spencer Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a binary type is 'a sequence of octets.' and not a string thereof, i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-( Tom Petch > On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, Mahesh, > > > On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" > wrote: > > Hi Spencer, > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < > iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > Please DO NOT reply to this email. > > > > I-D: > > Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d > > oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ > > > > IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to > > Waiting for Writeup. > > > > So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation from > Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in a > -11, is that right? > > > It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF was > conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. 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See inline Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com > On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM >=20 >> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... >=20 > Spencer >=20 > Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) >=20 > I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy > with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', > as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a > binary type is > 'a sequence of octets.' > and not a string thereof, >=20 > i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of > the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-( If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you want t= his change: OLD: The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary length who= se interpretation as a text string is unspecified. NEW: The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary lengt= h whose interpretation is unspecified. Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new id fo= r it. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < >> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, Mahesh, >>=20 >>=20 >> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" > >> wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Spencer, >>=20 >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>=20 >> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < >> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please DO NOT reply to this email. >>>=20 >>> I-D: >>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d >>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ >>>=20 >>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to >>> Waiting for Writeup. >>=20 >> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation > from >> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in > a >> -11, is that right? >>=20 >>=20 >> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF > was >> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last >> thought on it was this: >>=20 >> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that >> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. >>=20 >>=20 >> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. >>=20 >>=20 >> I could believe that ... >>=20 >> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? >>=20 >>=20 >> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? >>=20 >> Spencer >>=20 >>=20 >> Spencer >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Spencer >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- >=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >=20 --Apple-Mail-B7E7867B-46C9-484D-9DC8-65B91593E65F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,

I missed that you were asking= for a change in text of the draft, and not just the type in the YANG model i= tself.

See inline

Mahesh Jethanandani

On May 23, 2= 018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch <ietfa@b= tconnect.com> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Spenc= er Dawkins at IETF" <spe= ncerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2= 018 1:49 PM

Sorry= , still drinking diet coke ...

Spencer

Perhaps you should try the 'real t= hing' :-)

I am happy with binary but my las= t post, May 5th, said I was unhappy
with 'an octet  &nb= sp; string of arbitrary length ',
as  a descriptio= n of the secret key,  as YANG (RFC7950)  says that a
binary type is
'a sequence    of octets.'<= /span>
and not a string thereof,

i= .e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of
the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lo= st:-(

If I understand you correc= tly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you want this change:

=
OLD:

The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet
   string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is
   unspecified. 

NEW:

The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitra=
ry length whose interpretation is
   unspecified. 

Spencer, once Tom confirms this change,=
 do you want me to submit a new id for it.


Tom Petch


On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <
<= /blockquote>
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Mahesh,

<= br>
On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Ma= hesh Jethanandani"
<mjethanandani@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjet= hanandani@gmail.com

On May 22, 2018, a= t 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerd= awkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:



=
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker= Mail System <
iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote= :


= Please DO NOT reply to this email.

I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
Datatrack= er URL: https://datatracker.ietf.= org/d
oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/

IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed t= o
Waiting for Writeup.
=


<= blockquote type=3D"cite">So, just following up, it looks like there's s= till one conversation
from
Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to b= e reflected in
a
-11, is that right?

It was my understanding in ou= r discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF
was
conflicted on the definition of keys= as 'string' or 'binary'. His last
thought on it was this:

Perh= aps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that
=
the IETF is confused, or confli= cted, here.

which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.


I could believe that ...

So,= Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call?


Or, now that I am more a= wake, "ready for the IESG"?

Spencer


Spencer


Cheers.

<= /span>
Thanks,

Spencer



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(and I have to make it on diet Coke, because I'm diabetic enough already!) > > See inline > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM > > Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... > > > Spencer > > Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) > > I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy > with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', > as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a > binary type is > 'a sequence of octets.' > and not a string thereof, > > i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of > the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-( > > > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you want > this change: > > OLD: > > The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet > string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is > unspecified. > > > NEW: > > > The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary length whose interpretation is > unspecified. > > > Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new id for it. > > For a one-line change, that would be fine. Spencer > > > Tom Petch > > > > On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < > > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, Mahesh, > > > > On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" > > > > wrote: > > > Hi Spencer, > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < > > iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > Please DO NOT reply to this email. > > > I-D: > > Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d > > oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ > > > IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to > > Waiting for Writeup. > > > > So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation > > from > > Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in > > a > > -11, is that right? > > > > It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF > > was > > conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last > > thought on it was this: > > > Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that > > the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. > > > > which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. > > > > I could believe that ... > > > So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? > > > > Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? > > > Spencer > > > > Spencer > > > > Cheers. > > > > Thanks, > > > Spencer > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > ippm mailing list > > ippm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > > > --000000000000f9d00e056ce5b033 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Mahesh and Tom,
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:23 PM Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:
=
Hi Tom,

I missed that you were asking for a ch= ange in text of the draft, and not just the type in the YANG model itself.<= /div>

I missed that as well - my apol= ogies! (and I have to make it on diet Coke, because I'm diabetic enough= already!)=C2=A0

See inline

Mahesh Jethanandanimjethanandan= i@gmail.com

On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch &= lt;ietfa@btconnect= .com> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Spence= r Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
S= ent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM

Sorry, still drinking diet coke ...

Spencer

Perhap= s you should try the 'real thing' :-)

I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy
with 'an octet =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0string of arbitrary leng= th ',
as =C2=A0a description of the secret key, =C2=A0a= s YANG (RFC7950) =C2=A0says that a
binary type is'a sequence =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0of octets.'
an= d not a string thereof,

i.e. I was asking = for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of
the p= ost you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-(

If I understand you correctly, you are s= aying that in Section 4.1 you want this change:

OLD:

The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet
   string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is
   unspecified. 

NEW:

<=
span style=3D"white-space:normal;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The =
secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary length w=
hose interpretation is
   unspecified. 

Spencer, once =
Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new id for it.<=
/font>

For a one-li= ne change, that would be fine.=C2=A0

Spencer
=
=C2=A0


Tom Petch
=


On Ma= y 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Hi, Mahesh,
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

On May = 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani"
<mjetha= nandani@gmail.com>
wrote:<= /span>

Hi Spencer,

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjeth= anandani@gmail.com

On May 22, 2018,= at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:



On Fri, Apr 27, 2= 018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System <
iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

=
Please DO NOT rep= ly to this email.

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
I-D: <draft-iet= f-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf= .org/d
oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/
<= span>
IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been c= hanged to
Waiting for Writeup.


<= /blockquote>
So, just following up, it looks= like there's still one conversation
from<= /span>
Last Call (on string vs sequence)= that still needs to be reflected in
a<= br>
-11, is that right?


It = was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF
was
conflict= ed on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His l= ast
thought on it wa= s this:

<= /blockquote>
Perhaps binary, as you had it o= riginally, is best but I do think that
the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here.


which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.
=


I coul= d believe that ...
<= /span>
So, Nalini, is -10 r= eady for Last Call?
=

Or, now that I am more awake, "re= ady for the IESG"?

Spencer<= br>


Spencer


Cheers.


Thanks,<= br>

Spencer



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--000000000000f9d00e056ce5b033-- From nobody Thu May 24 07:00:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAB112DDD0; Thu, 24 May 2018 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152717043214.29855.2535037926229953334@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 07:00:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:00:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2962 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 10:41:43 -0000 Mahesh Yes, your proposed wording satisfies my objection, Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" To: "t.petch" Cc: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM Hi Tom, I missed that you were asking for a change in text of the draft, and not just the type in the YANG model itself. See inline Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com > On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM > >> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... > > Spencer > > Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) > > I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy > with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', > as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a > binary type is > 'a sequence of octets.' > and not a string thereof, > > i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic of > the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-( If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you want this change: OLD: The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary length whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified. NEW: The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary length whose interpretation is unspecified. Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new id for it. > > Tom Petch > > > >> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < >> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Mahesh, >> >> >> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" > >> wrote: >> >> Hi Spencer, >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < >> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Please DO NOT reply to this email. >>> >>> I-D: >>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d >>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ >>> >>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to >>> Waiting for Writeup. >> >> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation > from >> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in > a >> -11, is that right? >> >> >> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF > was >> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His last >> thought on it was this: >> >> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that >> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. >> >> >> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. >> >> >> I could believe that ... >> >> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? >> >> >> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? >> >> Spencer >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Spencer > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > From nobody Fri May 25 12:34:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4078C1276AF; Fri, 25 May 2018 12:34:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152727684621.12930.4853309549464260661@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 12:34:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-11.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 19:34:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) Data Model Authors : Ruth Civil Al Morton Reshad Rahman Mahesh Jethanandani Kostas Pentikousis Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-11.txt Pages : 68 Date : 2018-05-25 Abstract: This document specifies a data model for client and server implementations of the Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP). The document defines the TWAMP data model through Unified Modeling Language (UML) class diagrams and formally specifies it using YANG. 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[24.193.163.20]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m2-v6sm1903620qta.87.2018.05.25.18.26.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 May 2018 18:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1816AC95-1644-4046-B23F-6648458E4DDB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <02e001d3f414$bababd80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:26:19 -0400 Cc: ippm@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org, "t.petch" Message-Id: <877CB1A3-C24F-42ED-8962-F992BDB2B323@gmail.com> References: <152481331931.12144.2330234813221930909.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <042401d3f2b2$857f76a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <604504C0-A5DA-4CA8-B26B-8EE7071BC9EB@gmail.com> <02e001d3f414$bababd80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 01:26:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1816AC95-1644-4046-B23F-6648458E4DDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Spencer, I believe this version of the draft addresses Tom=E2=80=99s comments. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-11 = Cheers. > On May 25, 2018, at 6:39 AM, t.petch wrote: >=20 > Mahesh >=20 > Yes, your proposed wording satisfies my objection, >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" > To: "t.petch" > Cc: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" ; > ; > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM >=20 >=20 > Hi Tom, >=20 > I missed that you were asking for a change in text of the draft, and = not > just the type in the YANG model itself. >=20 > See inline >=20 > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com >=20 >> On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM >>=20 >>> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... >>=20 >> Spencer >>=20 >> Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) >>=20 >> I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy >> with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', >> as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a >> binary type is >> 'a sequence of octets.' >> and not a string thereof, >>=20 >> i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic > of >> the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got = lost:-( >=20 > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you > want this change: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary = length > whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary > length whose interpretation is unspecified. >=20 > Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new > id for it. >=20 >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, Mahesh, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" >> >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Spencer, >>>=20 >>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>=20 >>> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < >>> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please DO NOT reply to this email. >>>>=20 >>>> I-D: >>>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d >>>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ >>>>=20 >>>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to >>>> Waiting for Writeup. >>>=20 >>> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation >> from >>> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected = in >> a >>> -11, is that right? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt = IETF >> was >>> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His > last >>> thought on it was this: >>>=20 >>> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think = that >>> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I could believe that ... >>>=20 >>> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? >>>=20 >>> Spencer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Spencer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>> Spencer >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> -------- >>=20 >>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ippm mailing list >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >>=20 >=20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_1816AC95-1644-4046-B23F-6648458E4DDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Spencer,

I believe = this version of the draft addresses Tom=E2=80=99s comments.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-11

Cheers.

On May 25, 2018, at 6:39 AM, t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>= wrote:

Mahesh

Yes, your proposed = wording satisfies my objection,

Tom = Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
To: "t.petch" = <ietfa@btconnect.com>
Cc: "Spencer = Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>;
<ippm@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org>
Sent:= Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM


Hi Tom,

I missed that you were = asking for a change in text of the draft, and not
just the = type in the YANG model itself.

See = inline

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com

On May 23, 2018, at = 12:24 PM, t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From:= "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM

Sorry, still drinking = diet coke ...

Spencer

Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-)

I am happy with binary but my last post, May = 5th, said I was unhappy
with 'an octet =    string of arbitrary length ',
as  a = description of the secret key,  as YANG (RFC7950)  says that = a
binary type is
'a sequence =    of octets.'
and not a string thereof,

i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which = is precisely the topic
of
the post you made = yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-(

If I understand you correctly, = you are saying that in Section 4.1 you
want this = change:

OLD:

The= secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary length
whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified.

NEW:

The = secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary
length whose interpretation is unspecified.

Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to = submit a new
id for it.


Tom = Petch



On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, = "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Mahesh,


On = May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani"
<mjethanandani@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Spencer,

Mahesh = Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com

On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:



On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM = DraftTracker Mail System <
iesg-secretary@ietf.org> = wrote:


Please DO NOT reply to this email.

I-D: = <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
Datatracker URL: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/d
oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/

IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed = to
Waiting for Writeup.

So, just following up, it looks like there's still one = conversation
from
Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still = needs to be reflected in
a
-11, is that right?


It was my understanding in our = discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF
was
conflicted on the = definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His
last
thought on = it was this:

Perhaps binary, as you had it = originally, is best but I do think that
the IETF is = confused, or conflicted, here.


which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.


I could believe that ...

So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call?


Or, now that I am more awake, = "ready for the IESG"?

Spencer


Spencer


Cheers.


Thanks,

Spencer


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> ; > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM > > > Hi Tom, > > I missed that you were asking for a change in text of the draft, and not > just the type in the YANG model itself. > > See inline > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM >> >>> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... >> >> Spencer >> >> Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) >> >> I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy >> with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', >> as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a >> binary type is >> 'a sequence of octets.' >> and not a string thereof, >> >> i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic > of >> the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got lost:-( > > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you > want this change: > > OLD: > > The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary length > whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified. > > NEW: > > The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary > length whose interpretation is unspecified. > > Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new > id for it. > >> >> Tom Petch >> >> >> >>> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Mahesh, >>> >>> >>> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Spencer, >>> >>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>> >>> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < >>> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Please DO NOT reply to this email. >>>> >>>> I-D: >>>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d >>>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ >>>> >>>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to >>>> Waiting for Writeup. >>> >>> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation >> from >>> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected in >> a >>> -11, is that right? >>> >>> >>> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt IETF >> was >>> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His > last >>> thought on it was this: >>> >>> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think that >>> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. >>> >>> >>> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. >>> >>> >>> I could believe that ... >>> >>> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? >>> >>> >>> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Spencer >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- - > -- >> -------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ippm mailing list >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> > Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Sat May 26 15:25:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C25B12E91F; Sat, 26 May 2018 15:25:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="0000000000000ee516056d235c3c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call Expired: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 22:25:23 -0000 --0000000000000ee516056d235c3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 6:31 AM t.petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:26 AM > > > Hi Spencer, > > I believe this version of the draft addresses Tom=E2=80=99s comments. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-11 > > > > > I agree > Thank you both for catching and fixing this! Spencer > > Tom Petch > > > Cheers. > > > On May 25, 2018, at 6:39 AM, t.petch wrote: > > > > Mahesh > > > > Yes, your proposed wording satisfies my objection, > > > > Tom Petch > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" > > To: "t.petch" > > Cc: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" ; > > ; > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I missed that you were asking for a change in text of the draft, and > not > > just the type in the YANG model itself. > > > > See inline > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > >> On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch wrote: > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM > >> > >>> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ... > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-) > >> > >> I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhappy > >> with 'an octet string of arbitrary length ', > >> as a description of the secret key, as YANG (RFC7950) says that a > >> binary type is > >> 'a sequence of octets.' > >> and not a string thereof, > >> > >> i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the topic > > of > >> the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got > lost:-( > > > > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you > > want this change: > > > > OLD: > > > > The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary > length > > whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified. > > > > NEW: > > > > The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary > > length whose interpretation is unspecified. > > > > Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new > > id for it. > > > >> > >> Tom Petch > >> > >> > >> > >>> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" < > >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, Mahesh, > >>> > >>> > >>> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani" > >> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Spencer, > >>> > >>> Mahesh Jethanandani > >>> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >>> > >>> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System < > >>> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Please DO NOT reply to this email. > >>>> > >>>> I-D: > >>>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d > >>>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/ > >>>> > >>>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to > >>>> Waiting for Writeup. > >>> > >>> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one conversation > >> from > >>> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be reflected > in > >> a > >>> -11, is that right? > >>> > >>> > >>> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he felt > IETF > >> was > >>> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or 'binary'. His > > last > >>> thought on it was this: > >>> > >>> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do think > that > >>> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here. > >>> > >>> > >>> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft. > >>> > >>> > >>> I could believe that ... > >>> > >>> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call? > >>> > >>> > >>> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"? > >>> > >>> Spencer > >>> > >>> > >>> Spencer > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Spencer > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > -- > >> -------- > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> ippm mailing list > >>> ippm@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > >> > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > --0000000000000ee516056d235c3c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat= , May 26, 2018 at 6:31 AM t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:
mjethanandani@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:26 AM


Hi Spencer,

I believe this version of the draft addresses Tom=E2=80=99s comments.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ip= pm-twamp-yang-11
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= ippm-twamp-yang-11>

<tp>

I agree

Thank you both for catching and= fixing this!

Spencer
=C2=A0

Tom Petch


Cheers.

> On May 25, 2018, at 6:39 AM, t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> Mahesh
>
> Yes, your proposed wording satisfies my objection,
>
> Tom Petch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mahesh Jethanandani" <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
> To: "t.petch" <ietfa@btconnect.com>
> Cc: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;;
> <ippm@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:23 PM
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I missed that you were asking for a change in text of the draft, and not
> just the type in the YANG model itself.
>
> See inline
>
> Mahesh Jethanandani
> mjethanan= dani@gmail.com
>
>> On May 23, 2018, at 12:24 PM, t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.co= m>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:49 PM
>>
>>> Sorry, still drinking diet coke ...
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Perhaps you should try the 'real thing' :-)
>>
>> I am happy with binary but my last post, May 5th, said I was unhap= py
>> with 'an octet=C2=A0 =C2=A0 string of arbitrary length ',<= br> >> as=C2=A0 a description of the secret key,=C2=A0 as YANG (RFC7950)= =C2=A0 says that a
>> binary type is
>> 'a sequence=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of octets.'
>> and not a string thereof,
>>
>> i.e. I was asking for /string/sequence/ which is precisely the top= ic
> of
>> the post you made yesterday, 22nd May, but which has since got
lost:-(
>
> If I understand you correctly, you are saying that in Section 4.1 you<= br> > want this change:
>
> OLD:
>
> The secret-key is the shared secret, an octet string of arbitrary
length
> whose interpretation as a text string is unspecified.
>
> NEW:
>
> The secret-key is the shared secret, a sequence of octets of arbitrary=
> length whose interpretation is unspecified.
>
> Spencer, once Tom confirms this change, do you want me to submit a new=
> id for it.
>
>>
>> Tom Petch
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 23, 2018 7:47 AM, "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" &= lt;
>>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Mahesh,
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 23, 2018 5:58 AM, "Mahesh Jethanandani"
>> <m= jethanandani@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Spencer,
>>>
>>> Mahesh Jethanandani
>>> m= jethanandani@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On May 22, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
>>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 2:15 AM DraftTracker Mail System <<= br> >>> i= esg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please DO NOT reply to this email.
>>>>
>>>> I-D: <draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-09.txt>
>>>> Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d >>>> oc/draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang/
>>>>
>>>> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed t= o
>>>> Waiting for Writeup.
>>>
>>> So, just following up, it looks like there's still one con= versation
>> from
>>> Last Call (on string vs sequence) that still needs to be refle= cted
in
>> a
>>> -11, is that right?
>>>
>>>
>>> It was my understanding in our discussion with Tom, that he fe= lt
IETF
>> was
>>> conflicted on the definition of keys as 'string' or &#= 39;binary'. His
> last
>>> thought on it was this:
>>>
>>> Perhaps binary, as you had it originally, is best but I do thi= nk
that
>>> the IETF is confused, or conflicted, here.
>>>
>>>
>>> which we reflected in -10 version of the draft.
>>>
>>>
>>> I could believe that ...
>>>
>>> So, Nalini, is -10 ready for Last Call?
>>>
>>>
>>> Or, now that I am more awake, "ready for the IESG"?<= br> >>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
-
> --
>> --------
>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ippm mailing list
>>> ippm@ietf.o= rg
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
>>
>

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@= gmail.com


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M. Heard" Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 08:12:51 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: IETF , IPPM , 6man Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000880698056d317092" X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 7932B20E-61C0-11E8-B4C0-44CE1968708C-06080547!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Last Call: (IPv6, IPv4 and Coexistence Updates for IPPM's Active Metric Framework) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 15:13:19 -0000 --000000000000880698056d317092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Al, After looking at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-05 I have only one lingering comment. On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:42 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > > *I discussed this at length with co-authors, and arrived at* > > *a tighter wording. We simply delete the PDM citation in the 2nd sentence,* > > *and then we refer to the chartered work on in-situ OAM only:* > > > > * The topic of IPv6 Extension Headers brings current controversies into* > > * focus as noted by [RFC6564] and [RFC7045]. However, measurement use* > > * cases in the context of the IPPM framework like in-situ OAM [ref] in* > > * enterprise environments can benefit from* > > * inspection, modification, addition or deletion of IPv6 extension* > > * headers in hosts along the measurement path.* > I see that the text in -05 is substantially what is written above. In my opinion. it is not as up-to-date as it should be with respect to decisions taken subsequent to the publication of RFC 6564 and RFC 7045, nor does it take a suitably neutral tone as it appears to endorse header insertion (a very controversial proposition). May I suggest in its place something along the following lines: Currently, the IPv6 base specification [RC8200] does not allow insertion or deletion of extension headers by intermediate nodes, and except for Hop-by-Hop Options, does not allow modification. However, work in progress such as in-situ OAM in enterprise environments [ I-D.ietf-ippm-ioam-data ] may result in extensions to [RFC8200] that allow inspection, modification, addition or deletion of IPv6 extension headers in nodes along the measurement path. All of my other comments have been satisfactorily addressed. Thanks and regards, Mike Heard --000000000000880698056d317092 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Al,

After looking at=C2=A0https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-05=C2=A0I have only one linger= ing comment.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:42 PM, MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> wrote:


I discussed this at length with co-authors, and = arrived at

a tighter wording. We simply delete the PDM cit= ation in the 2nd sentence,

and then we refer t= o the chartered work on in-situ OAM only:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The to= pic of IPv6 Extension Headers brings current controversies into

=C2=A0=C2=A0 focus = as noted by [RFC6564] and [RFC7045].=C2=A0 However, measurement use<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0= cases in the context of the IPPM framework like in-situ OAM [ref] in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 enterp= rise environments can benefit from

=C2=A0=C2=A0 inspec= tion, modification, addition or deletion of IPv6 extension

=C2=A0=C2=A0 header= s in hosts along the measurement path.


I see that the text i= n -05 is substantially what is written above. In my opinion. it is not as u= p-to-date as it should be with respect to decisions taken subsequent to the= publication of RFC 6564 and RFC 7045, nor does it take a suitably neutral = tone =C2=A0as it appears to endorse header insertion (a very controversial = proposition). May I suggest in its place something along the following line= s:

   Currently, th=
e IPv6 base specification [RC8200] does not allow

   insertion or deletion of extension headers by intermediate nodes,

   and except for Hop-by-Hop Opti=
ons, does not allow modification.

   However, work in progress such as in-situ OAM in enterprise
   environments=C2=A0[I-D.ietf-ippm-ioam-data]  may result in extensions to [R=
FC8200] that 
   allow inspection, modification, addition or deletion of IPv6
   extension headers in nodes along the measurement path.

All of my other comments have been satisfac= torily addressed.

Thanks and regards,

Mike Heard
--000000000000880698056d317092-- From nobody Wed May 30 02:18:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869B8127077; Wed, 30 May 2018 02:17:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Francesca Palombini To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152767187445.27717.12525702203695910337@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 02:17:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-05 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 09:17:55 -0000 Reviewer: Francesca Palombini Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-05 Reviewer: Francesca Palombini Review Date: 2018-05-30 IETF LC End Date: 2018-04-25 IESG Telechat date: 2018-06-21 Summary: This draft is ready for publication as an Informational RFC. Major issues: N/A Minor issues: N/A Nits/editorial comments: N/A