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hi Greg,

following up a bit late, perhaps... when do you think this will be ready =
for LC?

Cheers,

Brian (as WG co-chair)

> On 8 Sep 2018, at 00:53, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
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> minor editorial improvements to the document..
> Your comments, questions, and suggestions always welcome and much =
appreciated.
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> Greg
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>                           Guo Jun
>                           Henrik Nydell
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : OWAMP and TWAMP Well-Known Port Assignments
        Authors         : Al Morton
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-port-twamp-test-02.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2018-10-04

Abstract:
   This memo explains the motivation and describes the re-assignment of
   well-known ports for the OWAMP and TWAMP protocols for control and
   measurement, and clarifies the meaning and composition of these
   standards track protocol names for the industry.

   The memo updates RFC 4656 and RFC 5357, in terms of the UDP well-
   known port assignments.


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Hi Folks,

Several people offered, or had their arms twisted,=20
or were "volunteered" to provide comments on several
IPPM WG drafts that can benefit from your expertise.
The submission deadline is about two weeks away.=20

Alia volunteered to review the Route Assessment draft,
and Jari was "volunteered" to review:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-route-02

Brian's arm was twisted to review the TCP section of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-07#section-10
and Tommy Pauly requested feedback from the WG in general
(after having read the drafts himself).

Thanks, and hoping to hear from you soon,
Al

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Hello IPPM,

In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.

This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the start of the IETF 103 meeting (November 5, 2018), to avoid getting too close to the draft submission deadline. Please reply to this email if you support adoption or have any objections to the WG adopting this document.

The current status and text of the document can be found here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04.txt

Best,
Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)



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Hi Tommy and authors of ippm-multipoint-alt-mark,

I support this memo for WG adoption.

I think the new section on Timing addresses one=20
of my previous comments very well, and I look=20
forward to reviewing this draft as it progresses.

regards,
Al


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Hi Tommy and the WG,

I've read this document and support the WG adoption.

Thanks,
Tianran

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Hi All,
I support the WG adoption as coauthor.
Regards.
Mauro

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Hello IPPM,

In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of draft-fioccola-=
ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.

This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the start=
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The current status and text of the document can be found here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04.txt

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yes/support
I've been following this work and the document since its introduction and
am glad to see it adopted by the working group.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:03 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:

> Hello IPPM,
>
> In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of
> draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.
>
> This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the
> start of the IETF 103 meeting (November 5, 2018), to avoid getting too
> close to the draft submission deadline. Please reply to this email if you
> support adoption or have any objections to the WG adopting this document.
>
> The current status and text of the document can be found here:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04.txt
>
> Best,
> Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">yes/support<div>I&#39;ve been following this work and the =
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mmy Pauly &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tpauly@apple.com">tpauly@apple.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello IPPM,<br>
<br>
In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of draft-fioccola=
-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.<br>
<br>
This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the start=
 of the IETF 103 meeting (November 5, 2018), to avoid getting too close to =
the draft submission deadline. Please reply to this email if you support ad=
option or have any objections to the WG adopting this document.<br>
<br>
The current status and text of the document can be found here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-=
alt-mark/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.or=
g/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-m=
ark-04" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-=
04.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-=
fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04.txt</a><br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hi All,

I support the WG adoption as coauthor.

Best Regards.

Riccardo

On 09/10/2018 01:02, Tommy Pauly wrote:
> Hello IPPM,
> 
> In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.
> 
> This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the start of the IETF 103 meeting (November 5, 2018), to avoid getting too close to the draft submission deadline. Please reply to this email if you support adoption or have any objections to the WG adopting this document.
> 
> The current status and text of the document can be found here:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04.txt
> 
> Best,
> Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)
> 
> 
> 


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I reviewed the draft and I support its adoption by the IPPM WG.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:03 AM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:

> Hello IPPM,
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> In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I reviewed the draft and I support its adoption by the IPP=
M WG.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Tal.</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:03 AM Tommy Paul=
y &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tpauly@apple.com">tpauly@apple.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
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<br>
In Montreal we decided to call for working group adoption of draft-fioccola=
-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark prior to our IETF 103 meeting.<br>
<br>
This email begins the call-for-adoption period, which will end at the start=
 of the IETF 103 meeting (November 5, 2018), to avoid getting too close to =
the draft submission deadline. Please reply to this email if you support ad=
option or have any objections to the WG adopting this document.<br>
<br>
The current status and text of the document can be found here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-=
alt-mark/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.or=
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<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-m=
ark-04" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-04</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-=
04.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-=
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Best,<br>
Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol
        Authors         : Greg Mirsky
                          Guo Jun
                          Henrik Nydell
                          Richard Foote
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-03.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2018-10-15

Abstract:
   This document describes a Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol
   which enables measurement of both one-way and round-trip performance
   metrics like delay, delay variation, and packet loss.


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Hi Brian,
my apologies for the delayed response. The new version of the draft has
been just uploaded. The updates include the new section that describes
authentication and encryption operations on STAMP packets. I'd request
the presentation slot at the meeting and, if there are no significant
concerns, would ask to consider starting the WG LC on the base
specification. The work on the STAMP YANG data model still on-going and
we're addressing the comments from the early YANG Doctors review by Mahesh.
I expect we'll have the new version by the end of November.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 8:12 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch>
wrote:

> hi Greg,
>
> following up a bit late, perhaps... when do you think this will be ready
> for LC?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian (as WG co-chair)
>
> > On 8 Sep 2018, at 00:53, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> > minor editorial improvements to the document..
> > Your comments, questions, and suggestions always welcome and much
> appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> > Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:56 PM
> > Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt
> > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > Cc: ippm@ietf.org
> >
> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the
> IETF.
> >
> >         Title           : Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol
> >         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
> >                           Guo Jun
> >                           Henrik Nydell
> >                           Richard Foote
> >         Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt
> >         Pages           : 14
> >         Date            : 2018-09-07
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document describes a Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol
> >    which enables measurement of both one-way and round-trip performance
> >    metrics like delay, delay variation, and packet loss.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Brian,<div>my apologies for the delayed response. The n=
ew version of the draft has been just uploaded. The updates include the new=
 section that describes authentication and encryption operations on STAMP p=
ackets. I&#39;d request the=C2=A0presentation slot at the meeting and, if t=
here are no significant concerns, would ask to consider starting the WG LC =
on the base specification. The work on the STAMP YANG data model still on-g=
oing and we&#39;re addressing the comments from the early YANG Doctors revi=
ew by Mahesh. I expect we&#39;ll have the new version by the end of Novembe=
r.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 8:12 AM Brian Tr=
ammell (IETF) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@trammell.ch">ietf@trammell.ch</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hi Greg,<br>
<br>
following up a bit late, perhaps... when do you think this will be ready fo=
r LC?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Brian (as WG co-chair)<br>
<br>
&gt; On 8 Sep 2018, at 00:53, Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dear All,<br>
&gt; minor editorial improvements to the document..<br>
&gt; Your comments, questions, and suggestions always welcome and much appr=
eciated.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Greg<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; From: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:56 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">i-d-ann=
ounce@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ippm@ietf.org</=
a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir=
ectories.<br>
&gt; This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the =
IETF.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0: Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0: Greg Mirsky<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Guo Jun<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Henrik Nydell<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Richard Foote<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0: 14<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 : 2018-09-07<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document describes a Simple Two-way Active Measureme=
nt Protocol<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 which enables measurement of both one-way and round-trip =
performance<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 metrics like delay, delay variation, and packet loss.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp/" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i=
etf-ippm-stamp/</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There are also htmlized versions available at:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-02</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp=
-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-0=
2" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=
=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm=
ission<br>
&gt; until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http:/=
/tools.ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; ippm mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ippm@ietf.org</a><b=
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hi Greg,

We'll put this and a tentative start of WGLC on the Bangkok agenda.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

> On 16 Oct 2018, at 01:00, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Brian,
> my apologies for the delayed response. The new version of the draft =
has been just uploaded. The updates include the new section that =
describes authentication and encryption operations on STAMP packets. I'd =
request the presentation slot at the meeting and, if there are no =
significant concerns, would ask to consider starting the WG LC on the =
base specification. The work on the STAMP YANG data model still on-going =
and we're addressing the comments from the early YANG Doctors review by =
Mahesh. I expect we'll have the new version by the end of November.
>=20
> Regards,
> Greg
>=20
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 8:12 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) =
<ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
> hi Greg,
>=20
> following up a bit late, perhaps... when do you think this will be =
ready for LC?
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Brian (as WG co-chair)
>=20
> > On 8 Sep 2018, at 00:53, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> > minor editorial improvements to the document..
> > Your comments, questions, and suggestions always welcome and much =
appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> > Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:56 PM
> > Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt
> > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > Cc: ippm@ietf.org
> >
> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of =
the IETF.
> >
> >         Title           : Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol
> >         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
> >                           Guo Jun
> >                           Henrik Nydell
> >                           Richard Foote
> >         Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02.txt
> >         Pages           : 14
> >         Date            : 2018-09-07
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document describes a Simple Two-way Active Measurement =
Protocol
> >    which enables measurement of both one-way and round-trip =
performance
> >    metrics like delay, delay variation, and packet loss.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-02
> >
> >
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The initial agenda for the IETF 103 (Bangkok) IPPM WG meeting is available here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ippm-00

We have a two-hour slot this time, and currently have some room on the agenda for more lightning talks. Please email myself and the other chairs if you would like to make adjustments to your current slot, or to request time for a lightning talk at the end!

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Hi Tommy, et al.,
thank you for the update on the tentative agenda ofr the meeting in
Bangkok. Please kindly consider slot for an update on Hybrid Two-Step draft
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draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step/>.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:

> The initial agenda for the IETF 103 (Bangkok) IPPM WG meeting is available
> here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ippm-00
>
> We have a two-hour slot this time, and currently have some room on the
> agenda for more lightning talks. Please email myself and the other chairs
> if you would like to make adjustments to your current slot, or to request
> time for a lightning talk at the end!
>
> Best,
> Tommy
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tommy, et al.,<div>thank you for the u=
pdate on the tentative agenda ofr the meeting in Bangkok. Please kindly con=
sider slot for an update on Hybrid Two-Step draft -</div><div><a href=3D"ht=
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step/">draft-mi=
rsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><=
div>Greg</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">O=
n Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM Tommy Pauly &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tpauly@app=
le.com">tpauly@apple.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">The initial agenda for the IETF 103 (Bangkok) IPPM WG meeting is avail=
able here:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ip=
pm-00" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/me=
eting/103/materials/agenda-103-ippm-00</a><br>
<br>
We have a two-hour slot this time, and currently have some room on the agen=
da for more lightning talks. Please email myself and the other chairs if yo=
u would like to make adjustments to your current slot, or to request time f=
or a lightning talk at the end!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Tommy<br>
<br>
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Hi Tommy, Bill, and Brian,

I'd like to request time to *very briefly* present
two Liaisons: from ETSI STQ tech Committee, and=20
from ITU-T Study Group 12 (on end-end performance),
Question 17 on Packet Networks.=20
I'll send versions of these in pdf form, shortly.
I'm an officer of some form in both these SDOs now.

I mostly want time to talk about Q17's plan to evaluate=20
IP Capacity Methods of Measurement in the Lab,
and solicit volunteers and additional candidate methods.
Model-Based Metrics in RFC 8337 is included, of course.
If there's time, I'll say a few words on how we arrived=20
at a point of conjunction among many SDOs, which makes
this such an important opportunity! Even my IETF WG,
BMWG, is surfing the crest of this wave.

This is also one of the Measurement Topics for the=20
Hackfest table that I'm Championing.

We haven't had any meeting time to present previous Liaisons
from May this year, so I hope you can fit it in this time.

regards,
Al


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Dear Tommy Pauly,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    ippm Session 1 (2:00 requested)
    Tuesday, 6 November 2018, Morning Session I 0900-1100
    Room Name: Boromphimarn 1/2 size: 75
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/ippm.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: IP Performance Measurement
Area Name: Transport Area
Session Requester: Tommy Pauly

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 60
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: tsvarea tsvwg taps bmwg xrblock quic ipsecme
 Second Priority: iccrg maprg v6ops 6man 6lo opsec tcpm
 Third Priority: cdni


People who must be present:
  Alfred Channon Morton
  Frank Brockners
  Spencer Dawkins
  Brian Trammell
  Mirja Kuehlewind
  Gregory Mirsky
  Bill Cerveny
  Giuseppe Fioccola
  Tommy Pauly

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Data Fields for In-situ OAM
        Authors         : Frank Brockners
                          Shwetha Bhandari
                          Carlos Pignataro
                          Hannes Gredler
                          John Leddy
                          Stephen Youell
                          Tal Mizrahi
                          David Mozes
                          Petr Lapukhov
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                          John Lemon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04.txt
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	Date            : 2018-10-20

Abstract:
   In-situ Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (IOAM) records
   operational and telemetry information in the packet while the packet
   traverses a path between two points in the network.  This document
   discusses the data fields and associated data types for in-situ OAM.
   In-situ OAM data fields can be embedded into a variety of transports
   such as NSH, Segment Routing, Geneve, native IPv6 (via extension
   header), or IPv4.  In-situ OAM can be used to complement OAM
   mechanisms based on e.g.  ICMP or other types of probe packets.


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Dear Tommy, Bill, and Brian,

I would like to request a presentation slot to talk about the following new=
ly submitted draft:

https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-song-ippm-postcard-based-telemet=
ry-00.txt

Abstract: This document describes a proposal which allows network OAM
applications to collect telemetry data about any user packet. Unlike
similar techniques such as INT and in-situ OAM, the Postcard-Based
Telemetry (PBT) does not require inserting telemetry data into user
packets, but directly exports the telemetry data to a collector
through separated OAM packets called postcards. Two variations of
PBT are described in this document: one requires inserting an
instruction header to user packets to guide the data collection and
the other only marks the user packets to invoke the data collection.
Each has its own pros and cons. Either way, the postcards for a
single user packet are from multiple devices and need to be
correlated at the collector, which is a unique issue pertaining to
PBT. Whereas, PBT provides an alternative to INT and address several
implementation and deployment challenges of the INT-based solutions.

Thank you very much!

Regards,
Haoyu


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The initial agenda for the IETF 103 (Bangkok) IPPM WG meeting is available =
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We have a two-hour slot this time, and currently have some room on the agen=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Registry for Performance Metrics
        Authors         : Marcelo Bagnulo
                          Benoit Claise
                          Philip Eardley
                          Al Morton
                          Aamer Akhter
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-16.txt
	Pages           : 34
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This document defines the format for the Performance Metrics registry
   and defines the IANA Registry for Performance Metrics.  This document
   also gives a set of guidelines for Registered Performance Metric
   requesters and reviewers.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Initial Performance Metric Registry Entries
        Authors         : Al Morton
                          Marcelo Bagnulo
                          Philip Eardley
                          Kevin D'Souza
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-08.txt
	Pages           : 93
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This memo defines the Initial Entries for the Performance Metrics
   Registry.  This version includes:

   * resolved open items on UDP one-way measurements.

   * resolved questions on DNS measurement method(s)



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Advanced Unidirectional Route Assessment (AURA)
        Authors         : José Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
                          Al Morton
                          Joachim Fabini
                          Carlos Pignataro
                          Ruediger Geib
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-route-03.txt
	Pages           : 26
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This memo introduces an advanced unidirectional route assessment
   (AURA) metric and associated measurement methodology, based on the IP
   Performance Metrics (IPPM) Framework RFC 2330.  This memo updates RFC
   2330 in the areas of path-related terminology and path description,
   primarily to include the possibility of parallel subpaths between a
   given Source and Destination pair, owing to the presence of multi-
   path technologies.



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A new version of draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport has been posted.

The new version updates references to the IOAM encap drafts, and adds a
code point for IPv6.

New IPFIX information elements ipHeaderPacketSectionWithPadding and
ethernetFrameSection are added. These address the issue of alignment with
variable length packet sections such as the existing ipHeaderPacketSection
and dataLinkFrameSection. In particular they allow for the insertion of up
to 3 octets of padding in order to preserve alignment for subsequent
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Title:          In-situ OAM raw data export with IPFIX
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   In-situ Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (IOAM) records
   operational and telemetry information in the packet while the packet
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A new version of draft-spiegel-ippm-ioam-rawexport has bee=
n posted.<div><br></div><div>The new version updates references to the IOAM=
 encap drafts, and adds a code point for IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>New=
 IPFIX information elements ipHeaderPacketSectionWithPadding and ethernetFr=
ameSection are added. These address the issue of alignment with variable le=
ngth packet sections such as the existing ipHeaderPacketSection and dataLin=
kFrameSection. In particular they allow for the insertion of up to 3 octets=
 of padding in order to preserve alignment for subsequent information eleme=
nts, and for additional records in the same set. The ethernetFrameSection a=
lso avoids the need to include the dataLinkFrameType and dataLinkFrameSize =
information elements.<br><br>Mickey</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
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Hi Frank,

Why didn=E2=80=99t you use the Reserved bits in IOAM headers to add the =
Name-Space-ID.  Shifting header fields after such a long time of the =
draft being stable is not a good idea. Some people have implemneted =
codes for IOAM. This shift of header fields would require a re-spin and =
re-testing of  those codes.

I suggest using the Reserved bits when possible. Wasn=E2=80=99t that the =
whole purpose of having Reserved bits?

Thx
Shahram


> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Frank Brockners (fbrockne) =
<fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote:
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> =20
> FYI =E2=80=93 Back in the IPPM WE meeting at IETF 102 in Montreal we =
discussed the need to formally recognize IOAM namespaces in =
draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data; IOAM namespaces were the last =E2=80=9Cclean =
up=E2=80=9D item we identified before we=E2=80=99d consider moving to WG =
LC. The revision -04, which was posted on Saturday reflects IOAM =
namespaces formally now: A new section 4.1 discusses IOAM namespaces and =
introduces a Namespace-ID data field.
> =20
> Frank
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Frank,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Why didn=E2=80=99=
t you use the Reserved bits in IOAM headers to add the Name-Space-ID. =
&nbsp;Shifting header fields after such a long time of the draft being =
stable is not a good idea. Some people have implemneted codes for IOAM. =
This shift of header fields would require a re-spin and re-testing of =
&nbsp;those codes.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I suggest using the Reserved bits when possible. Wasn=E2=80=99t=
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IETF 102 in Montreal we discussed the need to formally recognize IOAM =
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=E2=80=9Cclean up=E2=80=9D item we identified before we=E2=80=99d =
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Hi Frank,

We (Broadcom) have not been consulted about this change. Also as shown =
below You didn=E2=80=99t use the Reserved bits for Namespace_ID in E2E =
and POT headers.=20

The old format is draft-03 was:

    0                   1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |IOAM POT Type  | IOAM POT flags|           Reserved            |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         IOAM-E2E-Type         |             Reserved          |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


The new format in draft-04 is:

 0                   1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |       Namespace-ID            |IOAM POT Type  | IOAM POT flags|
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |        Namespace-ID           |         IOAM-E2E-Type         |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


So you have actually shuffled the format.=20

The other issue is that now you don=E2=80=99t have a reserved bits for =
future changes. I will send you our proposal later today.

Thx
Shahram



> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Frank Brockners (fbrockne) =
<fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Shahram,
> =20
> wrt/ using reserved bits for namespace-ID: This is exactly what we did =
for those types where a sufficient number of reserved bits were =
available. This was the case for E2E and POT types. For the trace =
options, there weren=E2=80=99t a sufficient number of reserved bits =
available. In addition we aligned the formats of the different options =
so that the namespace-id is always found at the same location. We=E2=80=99=
ve discussed the format with several different chipset vendors =E2=80=93 =
and arrived at the currently proposed format. If you have an even better =
approach to include the namespace-id data field in mind, we=E2=80=99re =
obviously very interested in your suggestions.
> =20
> Thanks, Frank
> =20
> =20
> From: Shahram Davari <shahram.davari@broadcom.com =
<mailto:shahram.davari@broadcom.com>>=20
> Sent: Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2018 18:13
> To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com =
<mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com>>
> Cc: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org <mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ippm] draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04
> =20
> Hi Frank,
> =20
> Why didn=E2=80=99t you use the Reserved bits in IOAM headers to add =
the Name-Space-ID.  Shifting header fields after such a long time of the =
draft being stable is not a good idea. Some people have implemneted =
codes for IOAM. This shift of header fields would require a re-spin and =
re-testing of  those codes.
> =20
> I suggest using the Reserved bits when possible. Wasn=E2=80=99t that =
the whole purpose of having Reserved bits?
> =20
> Thx
> Shahram
> =20
> =20
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Frank Brockners (fbrockne) =
<fbrockne@cisco.com <mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com>> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> FYI =E2=80=93 Back in the IPPM WE meeting at IETF 102 in Montreal we =
discussed the need to formally recognize IOAM namespaces in =
draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data; IOAM namespaces were the last =E2=80=9Cclean =
up=E2=80=9D item we identified before we=E2=80=99d consider moving to WG =
LC. The revision -04, which was posted on Saturday reflects IOAM =
namespaces formally now: A new section 4.1 discusses IOAM namespaces and =
introduces a Namespace-ID data field.
> =20
> Frank
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Frank,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We (Broadcom) =
have not been consulted about this change. Also as shown below You =
didn=E2=80=99t use the Reserved bits for Namespace_ID in E2E and POT =
headers.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The old format is draft-03 was:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><pre class=3D"newpage">    0            =
       1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |IOAM POT Type  | IOAM POT flags|           Reserved            |
   =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</pre><pr=
e class=3D"newpage"><br class=3D""></pre><div class=3D""><pre =
class=3D"newpage"><pre class=3D"newpage">       0                   1    =
               2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         IOAM-E2E-Type         |             Reserved          |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</pre><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></pre></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The new format in draft-04 =
is:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><pre =
class=3D"newpage"> 0                   1                   2             =
      3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |       Namespace-ID            |IOAM POT Type  | IOAM POT flags|
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</pre><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><pre =
class=3D"newpage">       0                   1                   2       =
            3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |        Namespace-ID           |         IOAM-E2E-Type         |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</pre><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So you have actually shuffled the =
format.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The other issue is that now you don=E2=80=99t have a reserved =
bits for future changes. I will send you our proposal later =
today.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thx</div><div class=3D"">Shahram</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
23, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com" class=3D"">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi Shahram,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">wrt/ using reserved bits for namespace-ID: This is exactly =
what we did for those types where a sufficient number of reserved bits =
were available. This was the case for E2E and POT types. For the trace =
options, there weren=E2=80=99t a sufficient number of reserved bits =
available. In addition we aligned the formats of the different options =
so that the namespace-id is always found at the same location. We=E2=80=99=
ve discussed the format with several different chipset vendors =E2=80=93 =
and arrived at the currently proposed format. If you have an even better =
approach to include the namespace-id data field in mind, we=E2=80=99re =
obviously very interested in your suggestions.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Frank<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shahram =
Davari &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shahram.davari@broadcom.com" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">shahram.davari@broadcom.com</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2018 =
18:13<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Frank Brockners (fbrockne) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">ippm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [ippm] =
draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Hi Frank,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Why didn=E2=80=99t you use the Reserved =
bits in IOAM headers to add the Name-Space-ID. &nbsp;Shifting header =
fields after such a long time of the draft being stable is not a good =
idea. Some people have implemneted codes for IOAM. This shift of header =
fields would require a re-spin and re-testing of &nbsp;those codes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">I suggest =
using the Reserved bits when possible. Wasn=E2=80=99t that the whole =
purpose of having Reserved bits?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Thx<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Shahram<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">On Oct 22, =
2018, at 5:14 PM, Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">FYI =E2=80=93 Back in the IPPM WE meeting at =
IETF 102 in Montreal we discussed the need to formally recognize IOAM =
namespaces in draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data; IOAM namespaces were the last =
=E2=80=9Cclean up=E2=80=9D item we identified before we=E2=80=99d =
consider moving to WG LC. The revision -04, which was posted on Saturday =
reflects IOAM namespaces formally now: A new section 4.1 discusses IOAM =
namespaces and introduces a Namespace-ID data field.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Frank</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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Dear IPPM WG,

given that Brian is currently OOO - I wanted to take the opportunity to poi=
nt you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioa=
m-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we concluded that we should treat=
 encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data f=
ields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the sa=
me (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight forward =
and obvious ask. As a consequence, Brian took the effort to evolve the draf=
t which was focused on GRE encap - and made it generic to protocols which u=
se Ethertype. We'll discuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeti=
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Frank

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 treat encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM =
data fields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header =
the same (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight fo=
rward and obvious ask. As a consequence,
 Brian took the effort to evolve the draft which was focused on GRE encap &=
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Quick heads up: In the 6MAN meeting in BKK, we'll review draft-ioametal-ipp=
m-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01 - which requests 2 option types from the DO/Hby=
H options sub-registry.
While the bulk of the IOAM work is progressed in the IPPM WG, we'd greatly =
appreciate your feedback on draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01, =
which defines how IOAM data fields are carried using v6 extension headers. =
Cc'ing the IPPM WG as well, to keep everyone on the same page.

Many thanks, Frank

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:06:57 +0000 Frank Brockners (fbrockne) wrote:
> Quick heads up: In the 6MAN meeting in BKK, we=E2=80=99ll review
> draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01 =E2=80=93 which requests 2 =
option
> types from the DO/HbyH options sub-registry.
>
> While the bulk of the IOAM work is progressed in the IPPM WG, we=E2=80=99=
d greatly
> appreciate your feedback on draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01=
,
> which defines how IOAM data fields are carried using v6 extension headers=
.
> Cc=E2=80=99ing the IPPM WG as well, to keep everyone on the same page.

I have two brief comments on this work.

First, I see that the Incremental Tracing Option changes length in transit.
It is not appropriate for it to be carried in an IPv6 option intended for
use on the open Internet, for exactly the same reason that insertion of
extension headers by intermediate nodes is not allowed on the open Internet=
.

Second, I see that two IPv6 option code points are requested, one with the
"chg" flag set, the other with the "chg" flag clear. While there is no harm
in this, it is not strictly necessary; the only real purpose of this flag
is to determine whether the option data is or is not included in the
Authentication Header Integrity Check Value computation.

Mike Heard


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Hi authors,

first of all sorry for the rather long delay for this short draft. The =
bad news it that I probably have to delay the processing even further as =
I will not be able to join the next telechat on Nov 21 and we have to =
wait for the telechat on Dec 6. The good news is that gives us plenty of =
time for the IETF last call :-)

I reviewed this document and I don=E2=80=99t think there are any issues =
that would not allow me to start the IETF last cal, but given we have =
time I would like to ask a few questions/comments:

1) The document gives plenty of background information and talks about =
impacts, however, it says very little about why it is good to have a =
fixed port, beside this:
"It may simplify some operations to have a well-
   known port available for the Test protocols, or for future
   specifications involving TWAMP-Test to use this port as a default
   port.=E2=80=9C
Is there any chance to say more than this?

2) Also, I agree with the shepherd that I don=E2=80=99t think it is =
necessary to detail the history as much as done in section 4, e.g. =
rather discuss the why than the actually comments by Lars and Tim. Also =
this section is called =E2=80=9Edefinition=E2=80=9C but this background =
information seems to go beyond just defining something.

Btw. Tianran, it would be nice if you could update your comments in the =
shepherd write-up accordingly if they have been addressed or are =
obsolete. Thanks!

3) I don=E2=80=99t think there is any normative language require in this =
doc. As you are =E2=80=9Ejust=E2=80=9C stating what has been normatively =
defined in other documents, it is actually preferred to not re-state =
normatively.

4) An update in the registry does not necessary mean an =E2=80=9Eupdate=E2=
=80=9C of the RFCs that registered that ports in the first place, =
especially as rfc4656 doesn=E2=80=99t even mention the UDP port at all. =
Of course the use of =E2=80=9Eupdate=E2=80=9C is very loosely defined =
and can be used if that is preferred but it is not strictly necessary. =
Or is there another reason to update these RFCs? If so, it should be =
clearly spelled out in the draft.

5) Given that these entries are updates it would be nice to also fill =
the missing information about contact information and assignee in the =
registry. Instruction for IANA would need to be added to the IANA =
section in this case. Assignee should be the IESG and contact the IETF =
chair. I assume the modification date will be filled by IANA =
respectively.

Thanks!
Mirja







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Hi Frank and Brian,

I read the draft but couldn't figure out how it is related to Ethertype. It=
's mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I missed something. Coul=
d you please clarify it a little it? Thanks!

Haoyu

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbr=
ockne)
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM
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Subject: [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Dear IPPM WG,

given that Brian is currently OOO - I wanted to take the opportunity to poi=
nt you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioa=
m-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we concluded that we should treat=
 encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data f=
ields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the sa=
me (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight forward =
and obvious ask. As a consequence, Brian took the effort to evolve the draf=
t which was focused on GRE encap - and made it generic to protocols which u=
se Ethertype. We'll discuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeti=
ng in BKK.

Frank

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">I read the draft but couldn&#8217;t figure out how it is related to Et=
hertype. It&#8217;s mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I misse=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Brockners (fbrockne)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF IPPM WG &lt;ippm@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;bew@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-io=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear IPPM WG,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">given that Brian is currently OOO &#8211; I wanted t=
o take the opportunity to point you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we=
 reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we c=
oncluded that we should treat encapsulations
 for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data fields as a head=
er in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the same (Alia was am=
ong those highlighting this point). A very straight forward and obvious ask=
. As a consequence, Brian took the
 effort to evolve the draft which was focused on GRE encap &#8211; and made=
 it generic to protocols which use Ethertype. We&#8217;ll discuss the draft=
 as part of the IOAM slot in our meeting in BKK.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Haoyu,

hmm - the draft is very explicit on that, see section 3: "When the IOAM dat=
a fields are included within an encapsulation that identifies the next prot=
ocol using an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve) the presence of IOAM data fie=
lds are identified with TBD_IOAM." - and the draft gives 2 examples in sect=
ion 4, showing IOAM encapsulation options for Geneve and GRE. Not sure what=
 else would be needed, i.e. what additional description are you looking for=
? IOAM data fields are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioa=
m-data-04.

Cheers, Frank

From: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com>
Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22
To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com>; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@iet=
f.org>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Hi Frank and Brian,

I read the draft but couldn't figure out how it is related to Ethertype. It=
's mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I missed something. Coul=
d you please clarify it a little it? Thanks!

Haoyu

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbr=
ockne)
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM
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Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Dear IPPM WG,

given that Brian is currently OOO - I wanted to take the opportunity to poi=
nt you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioa=
m-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we concluded that we should treat=
 encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data f=
ields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the sa=
me (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight forward =
and obvious ask. As a consequence, Brian took the effort to evolve the draf=
t which was focused on GRE encap - and made it generic to protocols which u=
se Ethertype. We'll discuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeti=
ng in BKK.

Frank

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Haoyu,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">hmm &#8=
211; the draft is very explicit on that, see section 3: &#8220;When the IOA=
M data fields are included within an encapsulation that identifies the next=
 protocol using an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve)
 the presence of IOAM data fields are identified with TBD_IOAM.&#8221; &#82=
11; and the draft gives 2 examples in section 4, showing IOAM encapsulation=
 options for Geneve and GRE. Not sure what else would be needed, i.e. what =
additional description are you looking for?
 IOAM data fields are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioam=
-data-04.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheers,=
 Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE=
"> Haoyu song &lt;haoyu.song@huawei.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;fbrockne@cisco.com&gt;; IETF IPPM=
 WG &lt;ippm@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;bew@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">Hi Frank and Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">I read the draft but couldn&#8217;t figure out how it i=
s related to Ethertype. It&#8217;s mentioned in the draft but not explained=
. Maybe I missed something. Could you please clarify
 it a little it? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
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:ZH-CN"> ippm [<a href=3D"mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ippm-bounces=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Brockners (fbrockne)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org">ippm@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-io=
am-eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear IPPM WG,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">given that Brian is currently O=
OO &#8211; I wanted to take the opportunity to point you to draft-weis-ippm=
-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 in our last meet=
ing in Montreal, we concluded that we should
 treat encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM =
data fields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header =
the same (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight fo=
rward and obvious ask. As a consequence,
 Brian took the effort to evolve the draft which was focused on GRE encap &=
#8211; and made it generic to protocols which use Ethertype. We&#8217;ll di=
scuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeting in BKK.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I guess I'm confused because I think Ethertype is used in MAC frame and aft=
er the MAC addresses to indicate the type of the upper layer protocol, but =
in the examples, it is in the GRE or Geneve header. My question is, why doe=
s it need to be an Ehtertype here?

Haoyu

From: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:42 AM
To: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com>; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Hi Haoyu,

hmm - the draft is very explicit on that, see section 3: "When the IOAM dat=
a fields are included within an encapsulation that identifies the next prot=
ocol using an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve) the presence of IOAM data fie=
lds are identified with TBD_IOAM." - and the draft gives 2 examples in sect=
ion 4, showing IOAM encapsulation options for Geneve and GRE. Not sure what=
 else would be needed, i.e. what additional description are you looking for=
? IOAM data fields are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioa=
m-data-04.

Cheers, Frank

From: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com<mailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com>>
Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22
To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com<mailto:fbrockne@cisco.co=
m>>; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Hi Frank and Brian,

I read the draft but couldn't figure out how it is related to Ethertype. It=
's mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I missed something. Coul=
d you please clarify it a little it? Thanks!

Haoyu

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbr=
ockne)
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Dear IPPM WG,

given that Brian is currently OOO - I wanted to take the opportunity to poi=
nt you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioa=
m-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we concluded that we should treat=
 encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data f=
ields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the sa=
me (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight forward =
and obvious ask. As a consequence, Brian took the effort to evolve the draf=
t which was focused on GRE encap - and made it generic to protocols which u=
se Ethertype. We'll discuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeti=
ng in BKK.

Frank

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">I guess I&#8217;m confused because I think Ethertype is used in MAC fr=
ame and after the MAC addresses to indicate the type of the upper layer pro=
tocol, but in the examples, it is in the GRE
 or Geneve header. My question is, why does it need to be an Ehtertype here=
?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Haoyu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> Frank Brockners (fbro=
ckne) [mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 29, 2018 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Haoyu song &lt;haoyu.song@huawei.com&gt;; IETF IPPM WG &lt;ippm@=
ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;bew@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Haoyu,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">hmm &#8211; the draft =
is very explicit on that, see section 3: &#8220;When the IOAM data fields a=
re included within an encapsulation that identifies the next protocol using=
 an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve) the presence
 of IOAM data fields are identified with TBD_IOAM.&#8221; &#8211; and the d=
raft gives 2 examples in section 4, showing IOAM encapsulation options for =
Geneve and GRE. Not sure what else would be needed, i.e. what additional de=
scription are you looking for? IOAM data fields
 are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheers, Frank<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE">From:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE"> Haoyu song &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com">haoyu.song@huawei.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.=
com">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt;; IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ie=
tf.org">ippm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Hi Frank and Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">I read the draft but couldn&#8217;t figure out how it is related to Et=
hertype. It&#8217;s mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I misse=
d something. Could you please clarify it a little
 it? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Haoyu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> ippm [<a href=3D"mail=
to:ippm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Brockners (fbrockne)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org">ippm@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-io=
am-eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear IPPM WG,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">given that Brian is currently OOO &#8211; I wanted t=
o take the opportunity to point you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we=
 reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we c=
oncluded that we should treat encapsulations
 for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data fields as a head=
er in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the same (Alia was am=
ong those highlighting this point). A very straight forward and obvious ask=
. As a consequence, Brian took the
 effort to evolve the draft which was focused on GRE encap &#8211; and made=
 it generic to protocols which use Ethertype. We&#8217;ll discuss the draft=
 as part of the IOAM slot in our meeting in BKK.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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The updated agenda for IPPM at IETF 103 can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ippm

We've gotten a lot of requests for lightning talks! As such we'll need to enforce that these are pretty quick (five minutes or less) so that we don't go over time.

Best,
Tommy

> On Oct 18, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:
> 
> The initial agenda for the IETF 103 (Bangkok) IPPM WG meeting is available here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-ippm-00
> 
> We have a two-hour slot this time, and currently have some room on the agenda for more lightning talks. Please email myself and the other chairs if you would like to make adjustments to your current slot, or to request time for a lightning talk at the end!
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Hi Frank,

On Tue., 30 Oct. 2018, 05:36 Frank Brockners (fbrockne), <fbrockne@cisco.co=
m>
wrote:

> Thanks Mike. On the scope of an IOAM deployment:
> draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04 clarifies in section 3 that IOAM is a domain
> focused feature, i.e. not expected to be deployed on the open Internet.
>

That still violates RFC 8200, there are no exceptions for "closed" domains.

>
>From section 3:

"Designers of
   carrier protocols for IOAM must specify mechanisms to ensure that
   IOAM data stays within an IOAM domain.  In addition, the operator of
   such a domain is expected to put provisions in place to ensure that
   IOAM data does not leak beyond the edge of an IOAM domain, e.g. using
   for example packet filtering methods."

Neither the designers or the operators can ensure this IOAM information
won't leak.

Possible reasons it can leak:

- operator configuration error - e.g. forgetting to configure the domain
boundary (e.g. router with multiple domain exit interfaces, forgetting to
add that option on one of them), or misconfiguring it.

- partial device failure - the device still forwards packets, but ceases to
remove this information due to a hardware fault that has appeared

- vendor implementation bugs that fails to remove the information.

Any or all of these can occur, and as it is on egress, the consequences may
not be visible to the domain network operator, because network operators
rarely inspect packets after they've left their network. Once a packet is
sent onto somebody else, it is assumed to have been sent without faults.

There are many instances of leaks at the boundary of what are supposed to
be closed domains, such as packets containing RFC1918 private addresses (in
packet headers themselves, or in DNS packets - such a big problem that www.=
a
s112.net <http://as112.net> was created), and route leaks e.g.
https://bgpmon.net/how-the-internet-in-australia-went-down-under/

As operators usually have only one device at the edge of the domain, that
would be performing the domain boundary function, that device becomes a
single point of failure. Enforcement is therefore quite fragile. A domain
boundary enforced by two domain edge devices in-line would increase
robustness, however I'd think that would be rarely deployed, because we
haven't seen that commonly with IPv4 NAT.

The only way for an operator to ensure these leaks don't and never occur is
for the domain to literally not be physically connected to the Internet
i.e. the domain is air gapped from the Internet. If there is a link between
the domain and the Internet that can carry IP packets, then there is always
a possibility that information can leak from the domain.

So accepting that leaks can always occur, a far more robust option is to
leave the original packet alone entirely, and encapsulate it in a domain
local IPv6 header (i.e RFC2473, section 3.1) with domain local limited
addresses (i.e. ULA addresses) and the additional EH.

That still doesn't ensure that packet won't leak outside the domain,
because those packets will follow a default route, however as the packet's
addressing is invalid outside of the domain, that packet will be dropped
once it reaches either an invalid Internet address filter, or a default
free Internet router. The packet with the failed-to-be-removed outer ULA
IPv6 header will never reach the destination address of the inner packet,
because the DA of the inner packet is in the ULA IPv6 packet's payload.

Failure of the mechanism would be much more obvious, localised to the
domain implementing the mechanism (rather than being externalised to
somebody else's domain/network), and absolute, because the failure mode is
packets being entirely discarded.

Regards,
Mark.



> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. M. Heard <heard@pobox.com>
> Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 16:03
> To: 6man <ipv6@ietf.org>; IPPM <ippm@ietf.org>
> Cc: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: v6 option types for IOAM data fields
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:06:57 +0000 Frank Brockners (fbrockne) wrote:
> > Quick heads up: In the 6MAN meeting in BKK, we=E2=80=99ll review
> > draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01 =E2=80=93 which requests =
2
> > option types from the DO/HbyH options sub-registry.
> >
> > While the bulk of the IOAM work is progressed in the IPPM WG, we=E2=80=
=99d
> > greatly appreciate your feedback on
> > draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01,
> > which defines how IOAM data fields are carried using v6 extension
> headers.
> > Cc=E2=80=99ing the IPPM WG as well, to keep everyone on the same page.
>
> I have two brief comments on this work.
>
> First, I see that the Incremental Tracing Option changes length in transi=
t.
> It is not appropriate for it to be carried in an IPv6 option intended for
> use on the open Internet, for exactly the same reason that insertion of
> extension headers by intermediate nodes is not allowed on the open Intern=
et.
>
> Second, I see that two IPv6 option code points are requested, one with th=
e
> "chg" flag set, the other with the "chg" flag clear. While there is no ha=
rm
> in this, it is not strictly necessary; the only real purpose of this flag
> is to determine whether the option data is or is not included in the
> Authentication Header Integrity Check Value computation.
>
> Mike Heard
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><=
br>Hi Frank,<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Tue., 30 Oct. 2018, 05:36 Frank Brockners (fbrockne), &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks=
 Mike. On the scope of an IOAM deployment: <br>
draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-04 clarifies in section 3 that IOAM is a domain f=
ocused feature, i.e. not expected to be deployed on the open Internet.<br><=
/blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">That =
still violates RFC 8200, there are no exceptions for &quot;closed&quot; dom=
ains.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div>From section 3:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">&quot;Designers of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0carrier protocols for IOAM must specify mechanisms to ensure that=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0IOAM data stays within an IOAM domain.=
=C2=A0 In addition, the operator of</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0suc=
h a domain is expected to put provisions in place to ensure that</div><div =
dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0IOAM data does not leak beyond the edge of an IOA=
M domain, e.g. using</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0for example packet=
 filtering methods.&quot;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>Neither the=
 designers or the operators can ensure this IOAM information won&#39;t leak=
.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>Possible reasons it can leak:=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">- operator configuratio=
n error - e.g. forgetting to configure the domain boundary (e.g. router wit=
h multiple domain exit interfaces, forgetting to add that option on one of =
them), or misconfiguring it.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">- partial device failure - the device still forwards packets, but ceas=
es to remove this information due to a hardware fault that has appeared</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">- vendor implementation bug=
s that fails to remove the information.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Any or all of these can occur, and as it is on egress, the =
consequences may not be visible to the domain network operator, because net=
work operators rarely inspect packets after they&#39;ve left their network.=
 Once a packet is sent onto somebody else, it is assumed to have been sent =
without faults.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">There ar=
e many instances of leaks at the boundary of what are supposed to be closed=
 domains, such as packets containing RFC1918 private addresses (in packet h=
eaders themselves, or in DNS packets - such a big problem that www.a<a href=
=3D"http://as112.net" target=3D"_blank">s112.net</a>=C2=A0was created), and=
 route leaks e.g. <a href=3D"https://bgpmon.net/how-the-internet-in-austral=
ia-went-down-under/">https://bgpmon.net/how-the-internet-in-australia-went-=
down-under/</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As opera=
tors usually have only one device at the edge of the domain, that would be =
performing the domain boundary function, that device becomes a single point=
 of failure. Enforcement is therefore quite fragile. A domain boundary enfo=
rced by two domain edge devices in-line would increase robustness, however =
I&#39;d think that would be rarely deployed, because we haven&#39;t seen th=
at commonly with IPv4 NAT.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">The only way for an operator to ensure these leaks don&#39;t and never o=
ccur is for the domain to literally not be physically connected to the Inte=
rnet i.e. the domain is air gapped from the Internet. If there is a link be=
tween the domain and the Internet that can carry IP packets, then there is =
always a possibility that information can leak from the domain.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So accepting that leaks can always =
occur, a far more robust option is to leave the original packet alone entir=
ely, and encapsulate it in a domain local IPv6 header (i.e RFC2473, section=
 3.1) with domain local limited addresses (i.e. ULA addresses) and the addi=
tional EH.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">That still do=
esn&#39;t ensure that packet won&#39;t leak outside the domain, because tho=
se packets will follow a default route, however as the packet&#39;s address=
ing is invalid outside of the domain, that packet will be dropped once it r=
eaches either an invalid Internet address filter, or a default free Interne=
t router. The packet with the failed-to-be-removed outer ULA IPv6 header wi=
ll never reach the destination address of the inner packet, because the DA =
of the inner packet is in the ULA IPv6 packet&#39;s payload.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Failure of the mechanism would be muc=
h more obvious, localised to the domain implementing the mechanism (rather =
than being externalised to somebody else&#39;s domain/network), and absolut=
e, because the failure mode is packets being entirely discarded.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Mark.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Frank<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: C. M. Heard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heard@pobox.com" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">heard@pobox.com</a>&gt; <br>
Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 16:03<br>
To: 6man &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ipv6@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">ipv6@ietf.org</a>&gt;; IPPM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ippm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: v6 option types for IOAM data fields<br>
<br>
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:06:57 +0000 Frank Brockners (fbrockne) wrote:<br>
&gt; Quick heads up: In the 6MAN meeting in BKK, we=E2=80=99ll review<br>
&gt; draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01 =E2=80=93 which requests=
 2 <br>
&gt; option types from the DO/HbyH options sub-registry.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; While the bulk of the IOAM work is progressed in the IPPM WG, we=E2=80=
=99d <br>
&gt; greatly appreciate your feedback on <br>
&gt; draft-ioametal-ippm-6man-ioam-ipv6-options-01,<br>
&gt; which defines how IOAM data fields are carried using v6 extension head=
ers.<br>
&gt; Cc=E2=80=99ing the IPPM WG as well, to keep everyone on the same page.=
<br>
<br>
I have two brief comments on this work.<br>
<br>
First, I see that the Incremental Tracing Option changes length in transit.=
<br>
It is not appropriate for it to be carried in an IPv6 option intended for u=
se on the open Internet, for exactly the same reason that insertion of exte=
nsion headers by intermediate nodes is not allowed on the open Internet.<br=
>
<br>
Second, I see that two IPv6 option code points are requested, one with the =
&quot;chg&quot; flag set, the other with the &quot;chg&quot; flag clear. Wh=
ile there is no harm in this, it is not strictly necessary; the only real p=
urpose of this flag is to determine whether the option data is or is not in=
cluded in the Authentication Header Integrity Check Value computation.<br>
<br>
Mike Heard<br>
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Hi Haoyu,

RFC 7042, section 3 might help clarify things:    "Ethernet protocol parame=
ters provide a means of indicating the contents of a frame -- for example, =
that its contents are IPv4 or IPv6. The concept has been extended to labeli=
ng by "tags".  A tag in this sense is a prefix whose type is identified by =
an Ethertype that is then followed by either another tag, an Ethertype, or =
an LSAP (Link- Layer Service Access Point) protocol indicator for the "main=
" body of the frame, as described below."

Frank

From: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com>
Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 20:06
To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com>; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@iet=
f.org>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

I guess I'm confused because I think Ethertype is used in MAC frame and aft=
er the MAC addresses to indicate the type of the upper layer protocol, but =
in the examples, it is in the GRE or Geneve header. My question is, why doe=
s it need to be an Ehtertype here?

Haoyu

From: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:42 AM
To: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com<mailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com>>; IETF =
IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Hi Haoyu,

hmm - the draft is very explicit on that, see section 3: "When the IOAM dat=
a fields are included within an encapsulation that identifies the next prot=
ocol using an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve) the presence of IOAM data fie=
lds are identified with TBD_IOAM." - and the draft gives 2 examples in sect=
ion 4, showing IOAM encapsulation options for Geneve and GRE. Not sure what=
 else would be needed, i.e. what additional description are you looking for=
? IOAM data fields are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioa=
m-data-04.

Cheers, Frank

From: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com<mailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com>>
Sent: Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22
To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com<mailto:fbrockne@cisco.co=
m>>; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Hi Frank and Brian,

I read the draft but couldn't figure out how it is related to Ethertype. It=
's mentioned in the draft but not explained. Maybe I missed something. Coul=
d you please clarify it a little it? Thanks!

Haoyu

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbr=
ockne)
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>
Cc: Brian Weis (bew) <bew@cisco.com<mailto:bew@cisco.com>>
Subject: [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -> draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00

Dear IPPM WG,

given that Brian is currently OOO - I wanted to take the opportunity to poi=
nt you to draft-weis-ippm-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioa=
m-gre-00 in our last meeting in Montreal, we concluded that we should treat=
 encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM data f=
ields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header the sa=
me (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight forward =
and obvious ask. As a consequence, Brian took the effort to evolve the draf=
t which was focused on GRE encap - and made it generic to protocols which u=
se Ethertype. We'll discuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeti=
ng in BKK.

Frank

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Haoy=
u,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">RFC 704=
2, section 3 might help clarify things: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8220;Ethernet p=
rotocol parameters provide a means of indicating the contents of a frame --=
 for example, that its contents are IPv4 or IPv6. The concept
 has been extended to labeling by &quot;tags&quot;.&nbsp; A tag in this sen=
se is a prefix whose type is identified by an Ethertype that is then follow=
ed by either another tag, an Ethertype, or an LSAP (Link- Layer Service Acc=
ess Point) protocol indicator for the &quot;main&quot; body
 of the frame, as described below.&#8221;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Frank<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE=
"> Haoyu song &lt;haoyu.song@huawei.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 20:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;fbrockne@cisco.com&gt;; IETF IPPM=
 WG &lt;ippm@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;bew@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">I guess I&#8217;m confused because I think Ethertype is=
 used in MAC frame and after the MAC addresses to indicate the type of the =
upper layer protocol, but in the examples, it
 is in the GRE or Geneve header. My question is, why does it need to be an =
Ehtertype here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">Haoyu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language=
:ZH-CN"> Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [<a href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com">=
mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 29, 2018 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Haoyu song &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com">haoyu.so=
ng@huawei.com</a>&gt;; IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org">ip=
pm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Haoyu,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">hmm &#8=
211; the draft is very explicit on that, see section 3: &#8220;When the IOA=
M data fields are included within an encapsulation that identifies the next=
 protocol using an EtherType (e.g., GRE or Geneve)
 the presence of IOAM data fields are identified with TBD_IOAM.&#8221; &#82=
11; and the draft gives 2 examples in section 4, showing IOAM encapsulation=
 options for Geneve and GRE. Not sure what else would be needed, i.e. what =
additional description are you looking for?
 IOAM data fields are of course defined elsewhere, see draft-ietf-ippm-ioam=
-data-04.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheers,=
 Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE=
"> Haoyu song &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:haoyu.song@huawei.com">haoyu.song@huawe=
i.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 29. Oktober 2018 19:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Brockners (fbrockne) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fbrockne@cisco.=
com">fbrockne@cisco.com</a>&gt;; IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ie=
tf.org">ippm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-ioam-=
eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">Hi Frank and Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">I read the draft but couldn&#8217;t figure out how it i=
s related to Ethertype. It&#8217;s mentioned in the draft but not explained=
. Maybe I missed something. Could you please clarify
 it a little it? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN">Haoyu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:ZH-CN">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language=
:ZH-CN"> ippm [<a href=3D"mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ippm-bounces=
@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Brockners (fbrockne)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF IPPM WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ippm@ietf.org">ippm@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Weis (bew) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ippm] draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 -&gt; draft-weis-ippm-io=
am-eth-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear IPPM WG,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">given that Brian is currently O=
OO &#8211; I wanted to take the opportunity to point you to draft-weis-ippm=
-ioam-eth-00: When we reviewed draft-weis-ippm-ioam-gre-00 in our last meet=
ing in Montreal, we concluded that we should
 treat encapsulations for protocols which use Ethertype and would add IOAM =
data fields as a header in sequence with other Ethertype-identified header =
the same (Alia was among those highlighting this point). A very straight fo=
rward and obvious ask. As a consequence,
 Brian took the effort to evolve the draft which was focused on GRE encap &=
#8211; and made it generic to protocols which use Ethertype. We&#8217;ll di=
scuss the draft as part of the IOAM slot in our meeting in BKK.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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