From nobody Thu Oct 22 07:13:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED9C1ACECD for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4NkYD9YEZdc for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 686121A90B6 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 152C228037B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D21628043C for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from citrine.tech.ipv6.nic.fr (citrine.tech.ipv6.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:1348:7::86:96]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B28B38051; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:12:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1445523166.25571.26.camel@afnic.fr> From: Patrick Mevzek To: ire@ietf.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:12:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <555C4C9A.3080403@knipp.de> Organization: AFNIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 (3.16.5-3.fc22) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ire] XML rgpStatus definition X-BeenThere: ire@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Registration Escrow discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:13:22 -0000 Le mercredi 20 mai 2015 à 11:08 +0200, Bernhard Reutner-Fischer a écrit : > Ok, i see, this is covered by the registry operational policy then. Yes, I believe so too. And in many registries, when a domain is in some kind of grace period, if you do another operation on it (besides deleting it), it ends prematurely the first grace period and starts a new one, so that there is no overlap of grace periods (it makes calculations on refunds far more easier) > So what do you think about the rgp endDate in the escrow data? It seems to me it would be useful… Otherwise you need to do some hack calculations based on upDate and the registry policies about grace periods durations (which are not set in stone by the RFC3915 nor ICANN). -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Thu Oct 22 07:22:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E46D1ACE70 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWWDab2o4XVV for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-f97.google.com (mail-qg0-f97.google.com [209.85.192.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 027081AD059 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgem9 with SMTP id m9so3971684qge.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=wIeDWCGrGg5WOBa2pr5XUwXNm4rJqhf9caeWFfEJ1R8=; b=XibYo8mn+n+kFNBVebsvE0HGRhzkrF1yipQFfUTAXf+pgQdfKohD0IJswY2XS2Y2Af QReeI22LlIg3Cb31wsvaE+ajjeCOzdj7PmRHBhdCskssd5s9Q8U7rRM/WHNLgCGFCES+ GQQ8dbhxybeF0g+fbnyD3qw4RN/f6cMeXsQlb6BRcQsW1bv1MGOBtdhx7OrbBNwtaQpO i/RySxHeMPCQJd63r9UywhY36PYsoc5nEkeA22uGVsMB/QEwA/jYgdiAaSdbda1/d7bj J4YUm97Ek/CkxWKFUo9IODxBTl2ocJ5vPqrw8x1WOkoJO9fwUBDNRVyuBl6JKT55D4Jo Q8bg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnBexSCe0WUXIusmOkpmZBkNY/Kd89uS+SFlmv8CHyjOSl8/CIwCEa9t8c88FBMw6KfGaiXLuKwRKb2C7Ky1XlYMlnLwQ== X-Received: by 10.140.23.47 with SMTP id 44mr9716922qgo.42.1445523683916; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. 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In-Reply-To: References: <555C4C9A.3080403@knipp.de> <1445523166.25571.26.camel@afnic.fr> Organization: AFNIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 (3.16.5-3.fc22) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "ire@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ire] XML rgpStatus definition X-BeenThere: ire@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Registration Escrow discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:30:54 -0000 Le jeudi 22 octobre 2015 à 14:21 +0000, Gould, James a écrit : > So what do you think about the rgp endDate in the escrow data? > > It seems to me it would be useful… > > Otherwise you need to do some hack calculations based on upDate and > > the > > registry policies about grace periods durations (which are not set > > in > > stone by the RFC3915 nor ICANN). > > > The grace period end date is calculated based on the business logic > and not stored in the registry database, so it is not something that > would be included in the escrow data. Registry policy/internal implementation detail I think: I know at least one registry operator where grace period end dates are stored in the database (to speed up various other checks). The calculation needs to be done only once (at start of the grace period), it can make sense to keep the result and not do it many times after. Also, if registry operator changes (the purpose of escrowing stuff), how should the new operator know all the grace period end dates, especially if it does not have access to all the business logic details of its predecessor? Or you mean that the new registry operator business logic would kick it at that time, but then you have the problem of knowing when the grace period started, for which you may use the upDate of the domain probably. -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Thu Oct 22 07:44:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E61B3898 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:44:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ke8eW8B9Kg8t for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-f98.google.com (mail-qg0-f98.google.com [209.85.192.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBC861B3864 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgad10 with SMTP id d10so4000426qga.3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=6H+zWmI0UTNp71QYhK2nfbnRPWit6a7xYnDp45oe34o=; b=K5J6A4titHR5cmEVNcvBHcugA+H3slVIJOnhJgL5dk2wb+tKRg5fft+QmeVHw52f6K y+O7JN31OJSatC+4pW+gn4Vy7s810Gz4oejmXsaEVCoBAyAS76cSRND3Qzcu5/gI9lJh FRrW963k2tmwZoSfWZfl8BZDL8UqRwDomRC6JsVyTzYz0An5vC39hy/bthUss6ZbbWbo MAgh59dkX4dOxLy6l/lHM8NYlJH6Ve8a4/hGoHVmQ8MHOWUByvDlnm4dmrVaBCOnxBJS 8uLJYcUiAb6S0CCdFAxdAcmHA4WvYU40+Mq/SpGLXYImsg3W1vBDqITerRUSqUcHiYYE FcdA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkPEVijpzQ3S1QYeCxNBb1DMCrl+1Zh9kWFO3uoAvjyKwQNYnV11H2eBECwpXHwTyInokFrVrtfG5XNzEKBI19iWK/ceA== X-Received: by 10.140.95.53 with SMTP id h50mr18993670qge.8.1445525053808; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com. 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In-Reply-To: References: <555C4C9A.3080403@knipp.de> <1445523166.25571.26.camel@afnic.fr> <1445524221.25571.33.camel@afnic.fr> Organization: AFNIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 (3.16.5-3.fc22) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "ire@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ire] XML rgpStatus definition X-BeenThere: ire@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Registration Escrow discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:49:55 -0000 Le jeudi 22 octobre 2015 à 14:44 +0000, Gould, James a écrit : > Will the gaining registry operator really provide grace period > credits? It would be interesting to hear from the EBERO providers > what they will or should support related to grace periods and > credits. Grace periods is not persisted in our registries and is not > applicable for escrow. I agree with you that it (storing or recomputing) is a local decision by each registry. We may overthink the problem right now because indeed it depends on what the EBERO will do for domains concerned by grace periods. And that case has not been seen yet AFAIK. However, if there is no dates in the escrow at all, it makes it impossible or very difficult for EBEROs to apply refunds (if they want to do it of course), while if it is optionally in the escrow (and up to the registry generating the escrow to provide it or now), then EBEROs who want to do it can do it (and the others would not care about this piece of data). -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Thu Oct 22 08:35:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ire@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862101A8792 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ng1-VywVmL5P for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f97.google.com (mail-oi0-f97.google.com [209.85.218.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B4551B38CA for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so6355982oie.3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=3Fur+JF/nAQz6bWgY/n42OpQxVg7CzA0pbXtFbowzQU=; b=IopZE8UDml/ycHZ8mprguOm7zhrOhQsAkpkseDFtXYRrGV4sXcJ8OI6BjSwWZh5kMu +u8vRLHeTCu7gMMrlo/Evu8aw3fZEJPVQiWKH/nj9JoIae9M1rDWEhT8XRfQllVgWRKQ wsjbF20JlfvNEfYMbsTh/ejvP3NhJj+t1SOmDve4mVwLiGVYc/FuhoTUyLj6dSKrfNOu 3Xp/DJv/Xj2TKX6LNHV4uC1e2JxRaYiqfGvoXDOMsZ/qLK6UDtRcM4nExn2wzq3ahwlO FYHo9VQZThgpw806DKdBhY9usxnomNqbKxIM350lUSitmV71Yk4chZaweE2/YlCuSEez Su5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTWe+kwBjjtK15kXO0J8nMG9yHdnNv0JFCe46okcbHmdwxaLxpLASxIASy/Jv/HJcejkLLd32ALDkmwdKNOwui9sKGbw== X-Received: by 10.140.151.13 with SMTP id 13mr19672516qhx.41.1445527836614; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:03:52 -0000 --001a113ce0088c5ebc0522b7d454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Patrick Mevzek wrote: > Le jeudi 22 octobre 2015 =C3=A0 14:44 +0000, Gould, James a =C3=A9crit : > > Will the gaining registry operator really provide grace period > > credits? It would be interesting to hear from the EBERO providers > > what they will or should support related to grace periods and > > credits. Grace periods is not persisted in our registries and is not > > applicable for escrow. > > I agree with you that it (storing or recomputing) is a local decision > by each registry. > We may overthink the problem right now because indeed it depends on > what the EBERO will do for domains concerned by grace periods. > And that case has not been seen yet AFAIK. > > However, if there is no dates in the escrow at all, it makes it > impossible or very difficult for EBEROs to apply refunds (if they want > to do it of course), while if it is optionally in the escrow (and up to > the registry generating the escrow to provide it or now), then EBEROs > who want to do it can do it (and the others would not care about this > piece of data). > I'm uncomfortable with basing the inclusion/exclusion of grace period data based on whether or not a particular registry implementation stores or computes it. That conflates implementation with policy. On the other hand, when IRE captures neither transactions nor amounts, it seems entirely surprising for it to indicate grace periods. I'd be surprised for an EBERO that is temporarily providing services to be interested in getting into offering grace period-based refunds, and I'm not sure that fits with the arrangements with ICANN. Typical grace periods would likely have long expired by the time a transition would take place to a more permanent successor operator. --001a113ce0088c5ebc0522b7d454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Patrick Mevzek <P= atrick.Mevzek@afnic.fr> wrote:
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= Le jeudi 22 octobre 2015 =C3=A0 14:44 +0000, Gould, James a =C3=A9crit : > Will the gaining registry operator really provide grace period
> credits?=C2=A0 It would be interesting to hear from the EBERO provider= s
> what they will or should support related to grace periods and
> credits.=C2=A0 Grace periods is not persisted in our registries and is= not
> applicable for escrow.

I agree with you that it (storing or recomputing) is a local decisio= n
by each registry.
We may overthink the problem right now because indeed it depends on
what the EBERO will do for domains concerned by grace periods.
And that case has not been seen yet AFAIK.

However, if there is no dates in the escrow at all, it makes it
impossible or very difficult for EBEROs to apply refunds (if they want
to do it of course), while if it is optionally in the escrow (and up to
the registry generating the escrow to provide it or now), then EBEROs
who want to do it can do it (and the others would not care about this
piece of data).

I'm uncomfortable w= ith basing the inclusion/exclusion of grace period data based on whether or= not a particular registry implementation stores or computes it.=C2=A0 That= conflates implementation with policy.

On the other hand,= when IRE captures neither transactions nor amounts, it seems entirely surp= rising for it to indicate grace periods.

I'd be surpr= ised for an EBERO that is temporarily providing services to be interested i= n getting into offering grace period-based refunds, and I'm not sure th= at fits with the arrangements with ICANN.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Typical grace periods= would likely have long expired by the time a transition would take place t= o a more permanent successor operator.
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