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It might be nice to allow subsecond holding times for adjacencies.

There was an ancient draft

http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-parker-short-isis-hold-times-01.txt

that seems to have expired, unless it got turned into an RFC that I 
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It seems noncontroversial. It's a new TLV for expressing holding times 
in milliseconds. If a neighbor N1 doesn't support
this TLV, it just means that N2, who wants to send hellos every 
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a holding timer of 1 second.

What ever happened with this?

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Radia,
Network admins are using BFD to address sub second detections across wide range of links. Also using common infrastructure like BFD will help reduce control traffic rather than using per protocol detection, so I am not sure how useful is this functionality in current networks.

Thanks
Ramesh

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It might be nice to allow subsecond holding times for adjacencies.

There was an ancient draft

http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-parker-short-isis-hold-times-01.txt

that seems to have expired, unless it got turned into an RFC that I
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It seems noncontroversial. It's a new TLV for expressing holding times
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What ever happened with this?

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On Jan 5, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ramesh Yeevani-Srinivas wrote:

> Radia,
> Network admins are using BFD to address sub second detections across  
> wide range of links. Also using common infrastructure like BFD will  
> help reduce control traffic rather than using per protocol  
> detection, so I am not sure how useful is this functionality in  
> current networks.


Yep, MARP, BFD and more general purpose solutions
were put in place to address the problem and so we
let it expire.

If there's some specific application that's not being
addressed, or that can't employ BFD protocols, and
general consensus it's a good idea, would be happy to
consider revamping, as it is rather trivial.

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I am having trouble remembering what happened to this proposal.
It seems too early to be overtaken by the BFD protocol proposals.

I bet there was a discussion about melt downs in the past, and an
unwillingness to pick it up.  There doesn't appear to have been enough
interest for a second draft.

- jeff parker

On 1/5/09, Radia Perlman <Radia.Perlman@sun.com> wrote:
> It might be nice to allow subsecond holding times for adjacencies.
>
>  There was an ancient draft
>
> http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-parker-short-isis-hold-times-01.txt
>
>  that seems to have expired, unless it got turned into an RFC that I
> couldn't find.
>
>  It seems noncontroversial. It's a new TLV for expressing holding times in
> milliseconds. If a neighbor N1 doesn't support
>  this TLV, it just means that N2, who wants to send hellos every
> millisecond, will be sending lots more hellos than
>  necessary to keep the adjacency from N1-N2 up, since N1 will be assuming a
> holding timer of 1 second.
>
>  What ever happened with this?
>
>  Thanks,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On
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> Of Danny McPherson
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> To: Perlman Radia; Ramesh Yeevani-Srinivas
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> Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Subsecond holding time for IS-IS?
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ramesh Yeevani-Srinivas wrote:
> 
> > Radia,
> > Network admins are using BFD to address sub second detections across
> > wide range of links. Also using common infrastructure like BFD will
> > help reduce control traffic rather than using per protocol
> > detection, so I am not sure how useful is this functionality in
> > current networks.
> 
> 
> Yep, MARP, BFD and more general purpose solutions
> were put in place to address the problem and so we
> let it expire.
> 
> If there's some specific application that's not being
> addressed, or that can't employ BFD protocols, and
> general consensus it's a good idea, would be happy to
> consider revamping, as it is rather trivial.

I think we need to be careful here. As stated in the old draft in
Section 8:

"Short hold times cannot be used without careful thought and
engineering."

This is well said - and the draft does a good job of discussing the
decidedly non-trivial implementation issues. All of this is relevant to
BFD - and the BFD protocol and its implementations (at least those that
can claim to be reliable and scalable) have taken a good amount of care
in addressing those issues.

It is also relevant to note that the earlier statement by Radia to the
effect that it really doesn't matter if your neighbor doesn't support
this option since you will simply be sending hellos faster than
necessary glosses over the impact that the increased incoming IIHs will
have on the neighbor's performance. This is why BFD made sure that
timers were negotiated and can always be limited by the receiver.

If there is a good reason to revive this draft (and I haven't heard it
yet) - we should recognize that doing so is decidedly NOT trivial.

   Les


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>
>
> It is also relevant to note that the earlier statement by Radia to the
> effect that it really doesn't matter if your neighbor doesn't support
> this option since you will simply be sending hellos faster than
> necessary glosses over the impact that the increased incoming IIHs  
> will
> have on the neighbor's performance. This is why BFD made sure that
> timers were negotiated and can always be limited by the receiver.
>
> If there is a good reason to revive this draft (and I haven't heard it
> yet) - we should recognize that doing so is decidedly NOT trivial.

Fair enough.  I'm starting to better recollect the
discussions we had on this topic in 2001-02..

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Yes, I would be very reluctant to resurrect this. BFD is a much better 
solution.

The other issue with fast IS-IS hellos that has only been hinted at thus 
far is the fact that IS-IS hellos actually perform two functions.

1. Adjacency formation and information passing
2. adjacency maintenance

The consequence of (1) is that the hellos contain a lot of baggage which 
is really only needed at adjacency formation, or at most infrequently. 
Sending this information at millisecond intervals is both inefficient, 
and more importantly imposes a load on the receiver which has to parse 
and verify a considerable amount of information. This can become 
particularly onerous when considering systems with large numbers of 
interfaces, perhaps in the 100s.

It was for these reasons that BFD was invented to provide a very simple 
"fast hello" for the sole purpose of adjacency maintenance, leaving the 
normal IS-IS hello to handle formation etc. at a MUCH less frequent 
interval.

The other advantage of BFD which has already been mentioned is its 
ability to perform adjacency maintenance for multiple protocols with a 
single message, thus avoiding the compounding of the problem which would 
occur if multiple protocols adopted the millisecond hello approach.

    Mike


Danny McPherson wrote:
>>
>>
>> It is also relevant to note that the earlier statement by Radia to the
>> effect that it really doesn't matter if your neighbor doesn't support
>> this option since you will simply be sending hellos faster than
>> necessary glosses over the impact that the increased incoming IIHs will
>> have on the neighbor's performance. This is why BFD made sure that
>> timers were negotiated and can always be limited by the receiver.
>>
>> If there is a good reason to revive this draft (and I haven't heard it
>> yet) - we should recognize that doing so is decidedly NOT trivial.
>
> Fair enough.  I'm starting to better recollect the
> discussions we had on this topic in 2001-02..
>
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|Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Subsecond holding time for IS-IS?
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|Yes, I would be very reluctant to resurrect this. BFD is a much better 
|solution.
|
|The other issue with fast IS-IS hellos that has only been 
|hinted at thus 
|far is the fact that IS-IS hellos actually perform two functions.
|
|1. Adjacency formation and information passing
|2. adjacency maintenance
|
|The consequence of (1) is that the hellos contain a lot of 
|baggage which 
|is really only needed at adjacency formation, or at most infrequently. 
|Sending this information at millisecond intervals is both inefficient, 
|and more importantly imposes a load on the receiver which has to parse 
|and verify a considerable amount of information. This can become 
|particularly onerous when considering systems with large numbers of 
|interfaces, perhaps in the 100s.
|
|It was for these reasons that BFD was invented to provide a 
|very simple 
|"fast hello" for the sole purpose of adjacency maintenance, 
|leaving the 
|normal IS-IS hello to handle formation etc. at a MUCH less frequent 
|interval.
|
|The other advantage of BFD which has already been mentioned is its 
|ability to perform adjacency maintenance for multiple protocols with a 
|single message, thus avoiding the compounding of the problem 
|which would 
|occur if multiple protocols adopted the millisecond hello approach.
|
|    Mike
|
|
|Danny McPherson wrote:
|>>
|>>
|>> It is also relevant to note that the earlier statement by 
|Radia to the
|>> effect that it really doesn't matter if your neighbor 
|doesn't support
|>> this option since you will simply be sending hellos faster than
|>> necessary glosses over the impact that the increased 
|incoming IIHs will
|>> have on the neighbor's performance. This is why BFD made sure that
|>> timers were negotiated and can always be limited by the receiver.
|>>
|>> If there is a good reason to revive this draft (and I 
|haven't heard it
|>> yet) - we should recognize that doing so is decidedly NOT trivial.
|>
|> Fair enough.  I'm starting to better recollect the
|> discussions we had on this topic in 2001-02..
|>
|> -danny
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The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Simplified Extension of LSP Space for IS-IS '
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This document is the product of the IS-IS for IP Internets Working Group. 

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Technical Summary

   This draft describes a simplified method for extending the LSP space
   beyond the 256 Link State PDU (LSP) limit defined in [IS-IS]. This
   method is intended as a preferred replacement for the method defined
   in [RFC 3786]. This draft obsoletes RFC3786. 

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   Strong WG consensus is reported. There were no objections during 
   WG and IETF last calls. While this document obsoletes a previously
   published alternate approach, there is no known implementation of 
   the previous approach. 

Document Quality

   There are no current existing implementations, but there are
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   Chris Hopps is the Document Shepherd for this document.  Ross
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RFC Editor Note

   In three places in the text the document references [M-IS-IS], 
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   Section 7 (Security Considerations). Please append the following
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        For general security considerations for IS-IS see [RFC5304].

   Section 9.2, Please add an informative reference to RFC 5304. 

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Hello I have a problem with ISIS area/domain authentication.
Suppose we have two Routers(maybe cisco)
We configure area authentication password in both routers
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R1>area authentication sprint
R2>area authentication sprint
=C2=A0
Now there is no problem both routres remain adjacent and both routers accep=
t others LSP and ISIS routes are present in both routers.
=C2=A0
Now we change area authentication password in one of the routers.
=C2=A0
R1>area authentication tata
=C2=A0
Now in R1 Immediatly Other routers(R2's) LSP will be deleted from its datab=
ase and ISIS Routes that it learnt from R2 will be deleted.
=C2=A0
But in router R2, LSP of R1 is not becoming lifetime zero and R2 is not del=
eting ISIS routes which it learnt from R1 even though area password s are d=
iffrent now .
=C2=A0
,The database gets cleared and ISIS routes are deleted only after we give c=
lear isis * command.in R2 Router.
=C2=A0
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hello I have a problem with ISIS area/do=
main authentication.</DIV>
<DIV>Suppose we have two Routers(maybe cisco)</DIV>
<DIV>We configure area authentication password in both routers</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>R1&gt;area authentication sprint</DIV>
<DIV>R2&gt;area authentication sprint</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now there is no problem both routres remain adjacent and both routers =
accept others LSP and ISIS routes are present in both routers.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now we change area authentication password in one of the routers.</DIV=
>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>R1&gt;area authentication tata</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now in R1 Immediatly Other routers(R2's) LSP will be deleted from its =
database and ISIS Routes that it learnt from R2 will be deleted.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But in router R2, LSP of R1 is not becoming lifetime zero and R2 is no=
t deleting ISIS routes which it learnt from R1 even though area password s =
are diffrent now .</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>,The database gets cleared and ISIS routes are deleted only after we g=
ive clear isis * command.in R2 Router.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi Pranjal,
 
Well, it's not a protocol issue.  ;-)  Whether or not you consider it a bug
is more of an operational question.
 
>From the perspective of R2, nothing has gone wrong.  R2 is going to start
hearing new LSPs from R1, but those LSPs are going to contain the wrong
authentication information.  R2 then correctly _ignores_ the new, 'bad'
data.  
 
Note that it would be a bug if R2 was to perform any substantive action on
receipt of an incorrectly authenticated LSP.  Doing so would create a huge
DoS vector.
 
If your concern is password transitioning, an implementation is free to
accept multiple passwords on receipt.
 
Regards,
Tony
 


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Subject: [Isis-wg] ISIS Authentication Problem



Hello I have a problem with ISIS area/domain authentication.
Suppose we have two Routers(maybe cisco)
We configure area authentication password in both routers
 
R1>area authentication sprint
R2>area authentication sprint
 
Now there is no problem both routres remain adjacent and both routers accept
others LSP and ISIS routes are present in both routers.
 
Now we change area authentication password in one of the routers.
 
R1>area authentication tata
 
Now in R1 Immediatly Other routers(R2's) LSP will be deleted from its
database and ISIS Routes that it learnt from R2 will be deleted.
 
But in router R2, LSP of R1 is not becoming lifetime zero and R2 is not
deleting ISIS routes which it learnt from R1 even though area password s are
diffrent now .
 
,The database gets cleared and ISIS routes are deleted only after we give
clear isis * command.in R2 Router.
 
Is it a problem ... 

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Hi,

Can we use IS-IS Generic Cryptographic Authentication
(draft-ietf-isis-hmac-sha-07.txt) for HMAC-MD5 authentication (the
keyID at both ends points to HMAC-MD5)? If Yes, then what is the need
for RFC 5304? Also what is the status of draft-ietf-isis-hmac-sha
draft?

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